0:00:00[classical music]
0:00:02[audience applauding]
0:00:09- How is everybody's WWDC?
0:00:11[audience cheering]
0:00:13That's it, just like lukewarm.
0:00:15Y'all are just tired at this point?
0:00:16[audience laughing]
0:00:18Well, thank you for coming.
0:00:19This is our second live show since WWDC moved to San Jose.
0:00:24We're glad to be back here in the Hammer Theater
0:00:26with their awesome crew and amazing venue.
0:00:29We've got a lot of stuff planned for you all tonight.
0:00:31Someone asked me earlier how we're
0:00:32going to fit all the topics into tonight's show,
0:00:35and I answered them truthfully, we're
0:00:36barely going to cover anything.
0:00:38So a couple of-- or one quick announcement.
0:00:40I know the robot voice told you to turn your phones off
0:00:43or whatever, so here's the deal.
0:00:45I need them to be muted, please.
0:00:47But at the request of Federico Vatici,
0:00:49have your phone handy because you
0:00:51are going to need internet access during the show.
0:00:55Unless you're unfortunately on Sprint or T-Mobile,
0:00:57you should have LTE in the theater. Any Sprint people?
0:01:02Really? Come on. But there is public Wi-Fi available as well.
0:01:05But if you're on LTE, do that so we don't crush their access
0:01:08points. This is where I get to introduce two of my favorite
0:01:12people in the world. Guys that I've done this show with for
0:01:15like 120 years, it feels like. Please welcome Federico Vittucci
0:01:20and Myke Hurley. [Applause]
0:01:22[Applause]
0:01:31Wow. What up? Can you believe that these many people come here to hear three guys talk about the Mac Pro?
0:01:42[Laughter]
0:01:44There should be a podcast about that. Yeah, that would be good. Like a good hour of discussion about it.
0:01:49Yeah, we do that before we talk about that. Let's that that pans out because I happen to have one
0:01:55We go
0:01:57Very nice that trash is that a trash can no, that's like that's a computer. I had one it was a trash can
0:02:04No, don't do that
0:02:07Let me let me turn it on here there's a hand crank in the back. Give me a second
0:02:12Okay, you can go in and get hand cranks on technology or all the rage these days
0:02:18So
0:02:19Hope there goes it's booting actually turning it on it kernel panicked when it booted earlier
0:02:24So we'll see if this works. This is literally his show notes are on this
0:02:27So we have to wait now. You really should have turned it on when you came on
0:02:32You know, you could have used the real computer, right?
0:02:34Yeah, we're gonna sit here. I love the computer of the future. I left my Newton at home
0:02:39That really is the computer of the past now
0:02:42But it's very sad. It's a sad setup.
0:02:45Our show document says "Secret Federico Segment, Not the Surprise."
0:02:50Yeah.
0:02:50So, do you want to take it away?
0:02:54Well, you know, last year we were here and I gave you all some details about this very beautiful location, the Hammer Theatre.
0:03:01I remember.
0:03:02And we talked about the name, Susan Hammer, previous mayor of San Jose, and I only mentioned in passing another person.
0:03:11Okay.
0:03:11The person who gives the name to the place where, you know, developers among us have
0:03:18been waiting in line for the bathroom all week.
0:03:20Now I know you wanted pronunciation.
0:03:23Tom McHenry.
0:03:24Thank you.
0:03:25Gives the name to the McHenry Convention Center.
0:03:28And I would like to talk about him for five minutes, if possible.
0:03:31For context.
0:03:32Is he here?
0:03:33He's not here.
0:03:34Okay.
0:03:35I can assure you that he's still alive.
0:03:36He's very busy.
0:03:38Right now?
0:03:39- Until we get to the end of this pretty brief segment,
0:03:44I will refer to him as Mr. Tom.
0:03:46- Is there a reason?
0:03:48- I want you to know that Mr. Tom is known for many things.
0:03:51He's an author, he's a businessman,
0:03:56and he was the former mayor of San Jose from 1983.
0:04:00- Wasn't Susan Hammer a mayor as well?
0:04:01- They had more than one.
0:04:02- Did they name every building after mayors?
0:04:04- Hold on, every mayor here gets a building.
0:04:05- Is that Mayor Original Joe?
0:04:08Is that Mayor Original Joe?
0:04:09I'm not sure about that.
0:04:10- Okay, we can find out next year, I guess.
0:04:12- Tom McHenry served as the mayor of San Jose
0:04:14from 1982 to 1991.
0:04:16So I did some research around this,
0:04:18and apparently he led the explosion of growth
0:04:22of America's 10th largest city, San Jose.
0:04:27So I double checked because the population of San Jose
0:04:30apparently is one million people.
0:04:31- Where are they? - Where are all these people?
0:04:33- Where are they? (audience laughing)
0:04:34Not downtown.
0:04:35- They're definitely not here.
0:04:37Apparently the Wikipedia data is up to date until last year.
0:04:40So one--
0:04:41But they all moved in the last year.
0:04:42I have no idea.
0:04:44The very famous website, the San Jose Mercury News--
0:04:47we all know about the Mercury News, right?
0:04:49Are they GDPR blocked?
0:04:51Did you struggle with that?
0:04:52Actually, I don't know.
0:04:53I bet they are.
0:04:54It's one of those websites.
0:04:55They referred to McHenry as the most powerful person
0:04:59in Silicon Valley once.
0:05:01Forget about Steve Jobs.
0:05:02That's not right, is it?
0:05:03That's not right.
0:05:04And according to the Metro Active website,
0:05:08McHenry loved being the center of attention.
0:05:12- Okay.
0:05:13I don't know anybody like that.
0:05:14(audience laughing)
0:05:15- McHenry had very peculiar...
0:05:18(audience laughing)
0:05:21- He's talking about you.
0:05:24- Yeah, I got that.
0:05:26That's the joke, I got that.
0:05:27- Okay, good.
0:05:28(audience laughing)
0:05:29- McHenry had very...
0:05:31(laughing)
0:05:32McHenry had very peculiar music taste.
0:05:37- How do you know this?
0:05:38- He really liked, I did my research.
0:05:40With my real computer, not that.
0:05:41- Did you go to his house?
0:05:42- No, he liked the Eagles and U2,
0:05:46so he's basically got the same taste as Tim Cook, essentially.
0:05:50- I think John Siracusa as well.
0:05:52- Hold on, McHenry wrote a couple of books.
0:05:56And so I went to read his interviews about these books.
0:05:59- I thought you said he read the books.
0:06:00- No, no, no.
0:06:01- Can you imagine that?
0:06:03And he said, and this makes me feel very bad,
0:06:08- All right.
0:06:08- That he sold hundreds of copies.
0:06:12- Oh no.
0:06:13- Wait, where did he say that?
0:06:15- In an interview.
0:06:16- Why would you say that?
0:06:16- He was so proud of it, but he said,
0:06:19he said he wished he had applied more.
0:06:21Yeah, he used to be a bartender.
0:06:26- Was this after the book sales?
0:06:28- I don't know, I think in his youth.
0:06:30Okay.
0:06:31And I'm quoting here.
0:06:33Okay.
0:06:33A lot of people said they weren't sure I would be a good mayor, but they want to
0:06:38get me out of bartending because it wasn't any good.
0:06:41Um, why did they name the convention?
0:06:47McHenry also was a radio host.
0:06:50Okay.
0:06:50He was a podcaster, I guess, in a way.
0:06:52And I hear that he actually came up, came up with the concept of follow-up.
0:06:57Oh, wow.
0:07:00Not somebody else.
0:07:01Does that come from your research?
0:07:02McHenry pioneered follow-up.
0:07:03Wow, it does say it and it's documents, so it must be true, I suppose.
0:07:09The thing about Tom is...
0:07:11Is he lost the mister now?
0:07:13The thing about Tom is the nicknames.
0:07:15Oh, nicknames.
0:07:17Last year I revealed how people used to refer to Tom as Big Mac.
0:07:22Oh, yeah.
0:07:23Turns out he had more nicknames.
0:07:25Little Mac.
0:07:26But really the nicknames go way back in the McHenry bloodline.
0:07:29- Okay.
0:07:31- His grandfather.
0:07:32[laughing]
0:07:34- You do know this is a technology podcast.
0:07:37- Hold on, I'm at the end.
0:07:38- I'm not getting any of that.
0:07:39- His grandfather, Ben Sellers.
0:07:42- What?
0:07:43- San Jose Councilman.
0:07:44- Okay.
0:07:45- Was known as Honest Ben.
0:07:47- Okay.
0:07:48- His father, John McHenry,
0:07:51- This Honest.
0:07:52- Was a member of the Truman administration.
0:07:54- Okay.
0:07:54- Was known as Big John.
0:07:56- Big John.
0:07:57- Big John.
0:07:58big John energy to him. Stop it! The good old B.J.E. Stop! Tom McHenry was also known
0:08:12as the Magster. The Magster? Oi. But others... Isn't that your nickname? We could go with
0:08:19that, right? The Magster? Other people... No. Because after he... Of course he was succeeded
0:08:23by Susan Hammer, but he kept talking about being a mayor and running again, and so he
0:08:30kept showing up in these articles and these stories and these radio programs, and so the
0:08:34other nickname that Tom McCarran had was "Timeless Tom".
0:08:38Timeless Tom.
0:08:39And so that's my research.
0:08:42Thank you so much.
0:08:43We're done.
0:08:44Thank you.
0:08:45Is that a new catchphrase for you?
0:08:48That's my research?
0:08:49You should go with that.
0:08:50That should be a...
0:08:51Like a jingle.
0:08:52That's my research.
0:08:53There we go.
0:08:55So--
0:08:56Do we have an actual show?
0:08:57Follow up?
0:08:58Big Tom?
0:08:59Big Tom's-- what was it?
0:09:00Wait, what was his name?
0:09:00Big John.
0:09:01Big John.
0:09:01Timeless Tom's--
0:09:02Timeless Tom.
0:09:02Timeless Tom's topic, other than that it's known as follow up.
0:09:05Steven, how was your first keynote experience?
0:09:07Congratulations.
0:09:08Thank you.
0:09:08It was awesome.
0:09:09Yep.
0:09:09I got an invite the week before.
0:09:12These guys know this.
0:09:13I thought it was a phishing attempt.
0:09:15So I copied the link and opened it in a private tab.
0:09:19I swear to you, this is true.
0:09:20And then checked the security certificate.
0:09:22I was like, I'm gonna enter my Apple ID
0:09:24and then Russia's gonna have it.
0:09:25And you don't want that.
0:09:27Not picking on Russia specifically, it's just--
0:09:30- No, you are. - I am.
0:09:31(audience laughing)
0:09:33No, it really was amazing.
0:09:34I've watched these things,
0:09:36I've paid attention to them before you could watch.
0:09:37Remember the days like you're refreshing like Engadget
0:09:40and like stories are coming in and the site goes down,
0:09:42like what's happening?
0:09:44It's all just happening in person now,
0:09:45for me at least for this year.
0:09:47And it really was incredible.
0:09:49And I was joined by David Sparks who was here somewhere,
0:09:52My coach, Samak Pareezer, is also his first time,
0:09:55and it really was special.
0:09:57It's something I'll remember for a long time.
0:09:59- Now you get the fear for next year.
0:10:01- I know.
0:10:02I'm just gonna think, I'm just gonna close my email
0:10:04for like the two weeks before WWDC.
0:10:07- Don't do that.
0:10:08- It's fine.
0:10:08- We've got a business to run.
0:10:10Don't do that.
0:10:11- Whatever.
0:10:12- He never checks his email anyway.
0:10:14I am a smart battery case believer now.
0:10:16- Oh, are you?
0:10:17- Follow up to IFTF. - Really?
0:10:18- Yeah, it's timely.
0:10:20I figured during our WWDC episode,
0:10:21I'll talk about smart battery case a little bit.
0:10:23- Sure, why not?
0:10:24- So during--
0:10:25(laughing)
0:10:27- It's a thick case.
0:10:29- You got, yeah, it's very thick.
0:10:31Steven changed his phone, so in the case of changing
0:10:37his phone, had an extra battery case and he gave it to me,
0:10:39and I've been using it.
0:10:40- 'Cause I'm a good friend.
0:10:41- Yep, I've been using it for the last few days.
0:10:43- I took it out of your cut of the company profits that month.
0:10:46- Okay, I can't get a pop socket to stick to it
0:10:49because the phone is too heavy now.
0:10:51That's my only downside.
0:10:52- No, here's the thing.
0:10:53You haven't tried hard enough to get it to stick.
0:10:55- Okay, maybe I could superglue.
0:10:57- I know how to weld.
0:10:58- We could weld one.
0:10:59- Is it safe to weld with like a battery two millimeter?
0:11:01- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that should be fine.
0:11:03I don't like the fact that my phone's always charging
0:11:05in my pocket though.
0:11:07- Because of fire?
0:11:08- Just, yeah, yeah, I don't like that.
0:11:11- Are you just afraid of your pants combusting?
0:11:12- I don't know why it has to always be charging.
0:11:15Like whenever I look at it, it's charging.
0:11:17- ABC, always be charging.
0:11:18- Ah, that's the way it is.
0:11:19All right, I'm done with follow up.
0:11:20That was very on topic.
0:11:22Yep.
0:11:23WBC batteries, yeah.
0:11:24Smart battery case.
0:11:25Good job.
0:11:25You just spoke about a mayor.
0:11:28That gives the name to the convention center.
0:11:29We're not in it!
0:11:30Show some respect for the city.
0:11:32Ugh.
0:11:33Not just because you come from Europe, you can just come here and disrespect Americans.
0:11:36Wait a second.
0:11:37Actually, he's not going to be from Europe much longer.
0:11:44Thanks so much everyone.
0:11:49(audience laughing)
0:11:51- Why would you do that?
0:11:52- That was so good though.
0:11:53- I needed to even out the Russia thing, so.
0:11:55- That didn't do that.
0:11:56- Follow out, follow out.
0:11:58- What is follow out again?
0:12:00- We have some follow out.
0:12:00Follow out.
0:12:01- It's created by Susan Hammer.
0:12:02- Susan Hammer had this idea to talk about other things
0:12:05before you talk about your own things.
0:12:07- Yeah.
0:12:07- 'Cause that's just what we do here.
0:12:09Now, so a couple of episodes of things
0:12:11that you should check out.
0:12:13- Why are you surfing on the web right now?
0:12:15- I have to scroll.
0:12:16- What are you doing?
0:12:17On Upgrade episode 248, Jason and Myke spoke.
0:12:22The afternoon of the keynote.
0:12:23I always love this episode because you get sort of
0:12:26the gut reactions and you find out how wrong you are
0:12:28about everything later.
0:12:30'Cause when you're here, I mean you guys know this, right?
0:12:32Like you see somebody--
0:12:33- You're not doing a good job of like--
0:12:35- It's a really good episode, you should listen to it.
0:12:37- It's all wrong, but listen to it anyway.
0:12:39- Jason, I can see Jason.
0:12:42- Yeah, I heard it a lot.
0:12:42- He's very unhappy with me.
0:12:43(audience laughing)
0:12:45It's a great episode.
0:12:46I also wanna point people to Mac Power Users episode 485,
0:12:50where David and I interviewed
0:12:54the Mac Pro product manager from Apple.
0:12:56We sat down for about 45 minutes,
0:12:58got some really interesting stories
0:13:00about the Pro workflow team.
0:13:01And my favorite tidbit from this,
0:13:03the Mac Pro, which we're gonna talk about
0:13:06basically for the rest of the time we have you here,
0:13:09is designed to be like used--
0:13:11- I just, everyone just left.
0:13:13- I can't see, they could all be--
0:13:14- They heard a lot of shuffling at that moment.
0:13:16- It's designed to be used in the field
0:13:18by real video professionals.
0:13:20And so they said, well, what happens,
0:13:22and it's got wheels on it, which is amazing.
0:13:24What if someone like slides it down like the ramp
0:13:27on the back of a truck?
0:13:28You know what I'm talking about, on a moving truck,
0:13:29they have like the corrugated metal ramp.
0:13:31And so they wired a Mac Pro up with like vibration
0:13:34and G-Shock sensors or whatever, and rolled it down a ramp.
0:13:38- I don't think they needed to do that.
0:13:39- But that's why it's a good computer,
0:13:41because they didn't need to, but they did it anyways.
0:13:43- Is that why it took two years?
0:13:44- Yeah, maybe they had to rent a truck
0:13:45'cause I can't find one.
0:13:47- Can you roll that down a truck?
0:13:50- This would roll really well.
0:13:51- Too well.
0:13:55- Too well.
0:13:56- You got, what you got going on?
0:13:57- You got anything?
0:13:59- So,
0:14:00I, if I were you,
0:14:05I would keep an eye on Mac stories tomorrow.
0:14:07- Okay.
0:14:08- Morning.
0:14:09- Are you signing up for that interview that we did?
0:14:12you speak to me? Is that Luan? Yes. Okay. Myke and I talk about... On my hotel room.
0:14:18Yes. Yeah. Did you ever connect it without me? Nope. Mmm. So yeah, I'm just, you know,
0:14:24something tomorrow. It would be of benefit to you all. Mm-hmm. I mean, your
0:14:29homepage is all set to Mac stories right anyways. Yeah. Everybody does that.
0:14:33Do you need to do anything now? No, just what I... Steven, can you open your notes
0:14:38up please. And during the episode I will be asking Steven questions and everybody
0:14:43else questions I guess and I would like you to just stay here. Where was I gonna
0:14:49go? Quiet. Oh well that's difficult. Okay I have notes open I have a title called
0:14:55Federico surprise which sounds like a website I don't want to visit. It sounds like a dessert.
0:15:00Steven, what is the American city with the most ridiculous take on pizza?
0:15:08What would you say? Am I saying what you would say? Easy. All of them. Take that
0:15:17Tucson. There's one in particular. They call it pizza. I wrote it down. Do you
0:15:23want to know what I wrote? Yes. So I wrote it down but I could have just told you.
0:15:27Yeah, no, just tell me Chicago. Okay, okay
0:15:30Hey, don't even try that's not pizza. Oh god. That's I don't want to turn our show into this
0:15:37This is not what you're supposed to write down. I will tell you what to write down
0:15:41What did we do in Chicago two years ago?
0:15:44What did we do in Chicago two years ago? Mm-hmm like why we were there? Yeah
0:15:49Hey, yeah, good job peanut gallery
0:15:54No, just don't really done. I will tell you what to write down. We were there for release notes
0:15:57Okay, and we did a live show we did. Mm-hmm. What story did I tell on that live show for the first time? I
0:16:04Remember, I know okay, you can talk the B story. No that one and I was here the bakery story the Baker story
0:16:11No, I call a person that works at a bakery a baker. Mm-hmm. But if you were to yes, but
0:16:19Instead of a baker, how would you make it more cool with the baker, right?
0:16:26Write that down.
0:16:27The baker?
0:16:28The baker.
0:16:29We can move on.
0:16:30Your surprise sucks.
0:16:31Wait, your surprise is Chicago the baker?
0:16:35Is that it?
0:16:36Write down the baker.
0:16:37Okay, I'll write it down.
0:16:38And we can move on.
0:16:39All right.
0:16:40For now.
0:16:41All right.
0:16:42Talk to you in a bit.
0:16:43Okay.
0:16:44Wait, you are still on the show, right?
0:16:45Yeah, yeah.
0:16:46All right, cool.
0:16:47our annual WWDC predictions.
0:16:51We're gonna grade them this time.
0:16:52And a reminder of the rules, we offer no half points.
0:16:57We only offer full points at Connected.
0:17:01We have a risky pick section.
0:17:03- Ricky pick.
0:17:04- Ricky picks.
0:17:05That started as a typo and now it's the name of the segment.
0:17:07- That's the name, Ricky's, the Ricky's.
0:17:09- If you get a Ricky right, you get two points.
0:17:11(laughing)
0:17:14And if your Ricky is wrong, you lose a point.
0:17:16I'm imagining characters now, Ricky Wright and Ricky Rong.
0:17:19(laughing)
0:17:20What do they look like?
0:17:21- Ricky Rong is in like all leather and he has an earring.
0:17:23- Oh, he's up from the bad side of the tracks.
0:17:27- Bad boy Ricky.
0:17:28- Oh, I like him.
0:17:29- The other two hosts have to agree
0:17:32that your pick was risky.
0:17:34- Ricky.
0:17:35- Ricky.
0:17:36And we had an order set by the March event predictions.
0:17:40- Which I won.
0:17:41- Can you believe that all these people
0:17:42came here to watch me win?
0:17:44- Myke got to go first.
0:17:45- There are prizes involved in this that are,
0:17:49they are here.
0:17:50- Where?
0:17:51- You'll know soon enough.
0:17:53So round one, Michael, you said dark mode for iOS.
0:17:58- Got that one.
0:17:59- Got a point.
0:18:00- Yep, it looks good.
0:18:02I haven't really seen it.
0:18:03I've seen a little bit.
0:18:05- It looks good semicolon, I haven't actually seen it.
0:18:07(laughing)
0:18:08I'm gonna revisit that.
0:18:09- I like the way that the dock looks.
0:18:12I like that kind of stuff.
0:18:13- It's a good dark.
0:18:14- Yep.
0:18:15- It's a good talk.
0:18:16Have you, wait, none of us are running the beta, right?
0:18:19- No. - No.
0:18:20- No. - No.
0:18:20- It seems like it's been heavily advised against.
0:18:23What is this, like some little warning?
0:18:25- There's a warning that says,
0:18:26attention for thrill seekers.
0:18:29Please do not insult the beta.
0:18:32- Please don't. - I highly recommend
0:18:33that you-- - Please, the public beta.
0:18:34- Okay. - Yeah.
0:18:35- So I felt pretty good about that, that was an easy one.
0:18:38- Yeah, I think it looks nice.
0:18:39I played with it on an iPad,
0:18:41and in between reboots and crashes, it looked great.
0:18:43- And there's really a lot of work that went into it
0:18:45like in terms of--
0:18:46- The ultimate dock mode is a crash.
0:18:47- That's true.
0:18:48(laughing)
0:18:49- Sure.
0:18:50- I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I had to say that.
0:18:51- No, that's a good joke.
0:18:52- Okay, thank you.
0:18:53- You did a good job there.
0:18:54- Thank you.
0:18:55(laughing)
0:18:57Do you have anything more on dock mode?
0:18:59- No, I just wanted to say something serious,
0:19:01but I kinda ruined it.
0:19:02- All right, great.
0:19:03- Moving on.
0:19:04- Okay.
0:19:05- I said that iOS 13 would change system requirements
0:19:08dropping devices that were supported by iOS 12.
0:19:11That is correct.
0:19:13past Steven did not put what devices in his document,
0:19:16but it changed. - We do not,
0:19:17we do not prepare, correct.
0:19:18- So Peanut Gallery, what got dropped in iOS 12?
0:19:20- I've been six, six plus.
0:19:22- Underscore squeaked out, five plus.
0:19:24Six, six plus.
0:19:27- I think Underscore's been pottyin'.
0:19:29- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
0:19:30- And iPad mini two, three, and the original iPad Air.
0:19:35- So basically like all of the stuff that they updated,
0:19:37which we were surprised about.
0:19:39- So that's A7, A8 in there.
0:19:42- So they're gone. - They're all gone.
0:19:43- Bye bye. - So point for me.
0:19:44- Congratulations. - Good job.
0:19:46- And you got? - New Animoji.
0:19:48- Okay.
0:19:49Did you get any of the ones right
0:19:50that you predicted there would be?
0:19:51- What did I predict? - I don't know.
0:19:53- We also didn't write those down.
0:19:53- You think you said mouse and there is a mouse.
0:19:55- There's a mouse. - Yeah.
0:19:56- That's good. - So, and there's an octopus
0:19:59and something else. - Cool.
0:20:02- And something else that I-- - Is there a rat?
0:20:05- Yeah, sure. - Cool.
0:20:06- It's just a mouse but zoomed in.
0:20:08- Yeah, and there's the new Memoji too,
0:20:10which look, there's more, I like the AirPods, that's fun.
0:20:14- The customization looks really fun.
0:20:16I cannot wait to make a mic with blue hair and a lip ring.
0:20:19- Yeah, I was really excited about,
0:20:21'cause what I thought Apple was showing me
0:20:23is that I could literally replace regular emoji with me,
0:20:28and you can't technically do that.
0:20:29They have it so like in some apps,
0:20:32the stickers that you create of yourself
0:20:34show in the emoji keyboard,
0:20:36but they just paste in as images,
0:20:38which is the worst bait and switch of all time.
0:20:41So mad, because they're like,
0:20:43oh, it's in the emoji keyboard.
0:20:44Yeah, but it's not emoji.
0:20:45You can't just put anything in there.
0:20:46- Right, and if you put them--
0:20:47- Be like, oh, it's in the emoji keyboard.
0:20:48- If you put, I played with it in the Notes app,
0:20:50and the emoji are small and the stickers are enormous.
0:20:52- Geez, fail, it's a failure.
0:20:54- Are you the kind of person that puts stickers
0:20:57as images in a note, Steven?
0:20:59- No.
0:20:59- Is that your attempt at being young?
0:21:02And like, that's not where you're supposed to put stickers.
0:21:04- Yeah, you're supposed to send them to your friends.
0:21:06- Yes.
0:21:07- He uses Bitmoji now, though.
0:21:07Are you printing those stickers, Steven?
0:21:10Like, do you put them in a note, and then you print the note?
0:21:14And then you cut them?
0:21:16I'm going to fax them to you after.
0:21:17You're like, put it up on the wall, be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
0:21:20yeah.
0:21:20OK, round two.
0:21:21So round one is a tie.
0:21:22I have one.
0:21:23Oh, yeah.
0:21:24We all have one.
0:21:24All the time.
0:21:25That's what a tie means.
0:21:26Even though I had the most correct one.
0:21:28That's not--
0:21:29So I am very happy, because my second pick
0:21:31is my vindication for having lost the upgrade
0:21:34draft on the same point.
0:21:35But I was a little bit more vague with this one, so I got it.
0:21:38Apple will mention Apple Arcade again during the keynote.
0:21:42- Which they did with controller support
0:21:44for Xbox and PlayStation, which is awesome.
0:21:46- Which I'm so happy about.
0:21:48- And it's in the beta, it's on iOS.
0:21:50There was a tweet going around of someone playing
0:21:52on an iPad with a PlayStation controller, it's awesome.
0:21:54- I like that Apple have finally decided
0:21:56to give up on the MFI controllers.
0:21:58That's what they've done. - Yeah, it never took off.
0:21:59What was the Steelcase one?
0:22:01- Steel Nimbus series.
0:22:02- I bought one, I used it once,
0:22:04and now I think it's like holding up furniture in my house.
0:22:06Like it's never been used again.
0:22:08- Wait, not Pro Controller, right?
0:22:11Why do they have Nintendo so bad?
0:22:12- I don't know, I don't know.
0:22:13- What's wrong with them?
0:22:14- I don't know, I have no idea.
0:22:15But I wonder, they mentioned the Xbox One S,
0:22:18but I have an Xbox Elite Controller.
0:22:20- I have an Xbox Elite Controller too.
0:22:21- Yeah, because I'm a big boy.
0:22:22- Because that's the kind of people we are, I guess.
0:22:24- Yeah.
0:22:25- It's like $150, that controller.
0:22:26- Will it work with all those switches and things?
0:22:27- I don't know, well I guess we can't.
0:22:28- Hey, hey, hey, hey.
0:22:30- I use--
0:22:31- No one cares about video games.
0:22:32No, sorry.
0:22:33- No, you don't care about video games here.
0:22:34- I use them sometimes.
0:22:36Well, I use like the trigger adjuster.
0:22:38- Yeah, yeah, just turn your chair.
0:22:39- It's way nicer to not have to pull the trigger
0:22:42the whole way down.
0:22:43And I also like that if I get bored,
0:22:44I can just, 'cause it's all by magnets,
0:22:46I can just take the joysticks off if I want to.
0:22:49- Yeah.
0:22:50- Yeah.
0:22:50- We can go back to the show.
0:22:51- We can carry on now.
0:22:53- Sorry, Steven.
0:22:54Sorry, Dad.
0:22:55- My next pick.
0:22:56- Sorry, Dad.
0:22:57Sorry, Dad.
0:22:57- Apple replaces at least one bundled Mac OS app
0:23:02with a marzipan or now catalyst version?
0:23:04- Well, you said marzipan.
0:23:06(audience laughing)
0:23:09- Oh!
0:23:10- This is very debatable.
0:23:11- As it's written, right?
0:23:14He's making a real face.
0:23:15All right, sorry, sorry, dad.
0:23:17Sorry, what app?
0:23:18What app did they replace?
0:23:20Reminders, right?
0:23:22- Wait.
0:23:23- Reminders is, I believe, replaced.
0:23:25- Podcast. - Podcast was not an app before,
0:23:28so you can replace something that doesn't exist.
0:23:30There is evidence that Messages has been redone, but they didn't mention it.
0:23:33Okay.
0:23:34We're gonna call it a point.
0:23:35And we're gonna call it a point.
0:23:36Are we?
0:23:37Are we?
0:23:38Yeah, I think we're gonna...
0:23:39Can you replace something that doesn't exist?
0:23:41Do we want to have this conversation?
0:23:43When we get to your Ricky?
0:23:44How picky do you want to get on the Ricky?
0:23:46Oh, you're right, fine.
0:23:47[laughter]
0:23:49Federico...
0:23:50I'm the victim here.
0:23:50Federico over there.
0:23:52conspiracy going on.
0:23:53Even on stage.
0:23:54Federico nailed the next one.
0:23:56iOS gets expanded font support.
0:23:59This is actually really cool.
0:24:01It's gonna be through the App Store.
0:24:02- You didn't think that.
0:24:04There's no open API.
0:24:05Is there an open API for a font picker?
0:24:07- The App Store people didn't think that.
0:24:09- It's kind of interesting that they're selling them, right?
0:24:12- So after we did this episode,
0:24:14I really thought about how would you get them on,
0:24:16and the store was the only obvious answer to me.
0:24:18They don't want you dragging in a true type font
0:24:20from Dropbox.
0:24:21- I think there's gonna be a screen settings though
0:24:23that lets you preview those fonts.
0:24:25- Do you think?
0:24:27- Do you know?
0:24:27or do you have a strong idea?
0:24:31- Is there a word in English for somewhere in between?
0:24:34Those two types of feelings?
0:24:35- What you just said.
0:24:36- Yeah.
0:24:37- You said the English words, somewhere in between.
0:24:40- Yeah, somewhere in between.
0:24:41- Did it, good work.
0:24:43Is there an English word for somewhere in between?
0:24:46Did you think you were talking Italian?
0:24:48- Like the Germans, like they have a single word
0:24:49for everything.
0:24:50- Yeah.
0:24:51- Yeah, like that.
0:24:52- What was you saying Italian?
0:24:52- I don't know, I don't know.
0:24:53- What, you don't have somewhere in between in Italian?
0:24:55- Yeah, but it doesn't, it's not, I don't know.
0:24:57I don't know.
0:24:59You could make up a word a no one would know.
0:25:01Somebody will know. There's a few Italians here.
0:25:04Is there any Italians here?
0:25:06Good job.
0:25:07Wait, one person said yes, they were a liar.
0:25:10The other person said C.
0:25:12They also may have been a liar, but they said it anyway.
0:25:16I got this. There's an API for apps,
0:25:19so that if you have a font, you can offer that font to the system.
0:25:23- Oh. - As a font picker.
0:25:24- Oh, like you were saying, like Photoshop, right?
0:25:27Were you saying that?
0:25:28No, Jason said that. - Or something like,
0:25:29IA Writer has their own bundled fonts.
0:25:31You're saying they could offer those
0:25:32to other apps in the system?
0:25:34That's awesome. - That's a good thing.
0:25:35That might be a way to get, like--
0:25:36- Can preview those fonts.
0:25:38- Huh. - So.
0:25:39- Huh, okay. - Cool.
0:25:40- Great.
0:25:41- That's all good news.
0:25:42So at the end of round two, we are tied.
0:25:45Very interesting.
0:25:48Anything else with fonts?
0:25:50- No, I mean-- - Had to wait
0:25:51For the tab to load for the ad read.
0:25:53It takes a long time.
0:25:54There's a new Apple font, which is interesting, I guess.
0:25:56What is it?
0:25:56Apple New York.
0:25:58Really?
0:25:58Yes.
0:25:59It's a Serif font.
0:26:01I haven't installed it yet, but it's on the developer website.
0:26:04Interesting.
0:26:05Yes, they're going to do the whole-- maybe they'll
0:26:06do Apple San Jose at some point.
0:26:08It'll be just one character.
0:26:09Big.
0:26:09It's just all big.
0:26:11Because there's no one here?
0:26:12It's just an ellipsis.
0:26:14That's it.
0:26:15And you can only use it during the day.
0:26:19It closes down at nine.
0:26:21After 9 p.m. the phone just stops.
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0:28:27- Let's talk about the Ricky's.
0:28:31- Yeah, let's talk about yours.
0:28:33- Curse of Support for iOS.
0:28:35- So this is one we should say that
0:28:38in the beginning part of the week,
0:28:40we thought Myke had missed this.
0:28:41Because when you're here, news comes out over--
0:28:43- It wasn't in the keynote or anything.
0:28:45You know, like it wasn't on the work cloud.
0:28:48It didn't exist.
0:28:48- Right.
0:28:49- You know, Federighi didn't use a mouse
0:28:50with a shaky hand.
0:28:51We didn't know it was here,
0:28:53but it came out that indeed iOS has cursor support.
0:28:56- Mm, I know gave you the idea for that.
0:28:58Pick.
0:28:59- You.
0:29:00- Mm.
0:29:01- But you get it.
0:29:01- So you get it.
0:29:02- It's also my point.
0:29:03- But you get it.
0:29:04- That's not how this works.
0:29:05- But you get the idea.
0:29:06Okay.
0:29:06- So how does it work?
0:29:07How does it work in iOS 13?
0:29:08- Bluetooth, which I was pretty surprised about.
0:29:11I kind of always figured it would be USB only,
0:29:13but it also--
0:29:14- I think we said there may also be Bluetooth,
0:29:17and it turns out yes.
0:29:17- Yeah, I just figured it was less likely, right?
0:29:21Because it is an accessibility feature,
0:29:22so you have to enable it in accessibility settings.
0:29:25- So you gotta go in AssistiveTouch,
0:29:26enable pointing devices,
0:29:27and when you have AssistiveTouch turned on
0:29:29and you connect a trackpad or a mouse,
0:29:31the little AssistiveTouch thing will become a cursor.
0:29:35- But there's, so that's amazing.
0:29:37I'm very excited about that.
0:29:38I'm very excited about putting my iPad in a stand,
0:29:41which I do all the time,
0:29:42and now instead of reaching out with my Apple Pencil
0:29:45to tap things, I can use a mouse, I can use a keyboard,
0:29:47and it's great.
0:29:47And I love to be able to do that stuff
0:29:50with my preferred operating system, right?
0:29:52Like I use my Mac that way and it's great,
0:29:53and it's great for ergonomics.
0:29:54Sometimes my iPad is not so good for ergonomics
0:29:57when I don't wanna use it in a laptop form factor.
0:29:59I wanna be able to use my preferred operating system
0:30:01in many different setups so I can always be comfortable.
0:30:05- Federico, do you think this is something
0:30:06that will become like pretty,
0:30:09like some accessibility features get used by lots of people
0:30:11because it tweaks something about the system
0:30:14that a lot of people think should be the default.
0:30:15Do you see this falling into that category where people who don't necessarily need it
0:30:20for an accessibility point of view will use it because it makes iOS more useful or faster
0:30:25or something?
0:30:26Yeah.
0:30:27I think Apple was sort of caught by surprise by the response to this, and they like to
0:30:31remind us that it's an accessibility feature, that it was not designed to be over bringing
0:30:36mice and trackpads to the iPad.
0:30:38But I think it's the kind of feature that will be used by folks who don't necessarily
0:30:42need it, maybe for the primary reason why it was designed.
0:30:45I think it is the right thing to do to introduce this as an accessibility feature,
0:30:48so it doesn't completely break the idea of touch devices too soon,
0:30:53that they can stage it out a little bit.
0:30:55But there is something additionally interesting with this.
0:30:58You can program mice buttons to do things.
0:31:01So obviously you want the left click to be tap, wild otherwise,
0:31:06but you can have the right click bring up the dock,
0:31:09or you can use the scroll wheel to go back to the home screen.
0:31:12and you can actually assign buttons to running shortcuts in iOS 13 and iPadOS.
0:31:19Is anybody from shortcuts here?
0:31:21[cheers and applause]
0:31:27We love you.
0:31:28Yes.
0:31:29But that is incredibly exciting.
0:31:31So if you have, what kind of shortcut do you run?
0:31:34Maybe to start time tracking, you could right-click,
0:31:37and it would just automatically fire your time tracking shortcut.
0:31:40We have stuff more that we want to talk about
0:31:42with Shortcuts later on, but that is just like,
0:31:45I love that feature, nobody needed to do that,
0:31:48but I'm so happy they did.
0:31:49So I'm really excited to play around with that.
0:31:51- So you got this point.
0:31:52- I really got that point.
0:31:54- You got your two points, it's a Ricky.
0:31:56- So I am. - Two points.
0:31:57- Four point mark score, I'm the winner, right?
0:31:59It was first to four points?
0:32:01That was-- - No.
0:32:02- Oh, all right, well, I got all my points.
0:32:04- My risky pick was one-- - Ricky.
0:32:07- Ricky. - Ricky.
0:32:10- Time for dinner.
0:32:11That sounded so strange.
0:32:13Ricky.
0:32:14- Sometimes when we do these predictions--
0:32:16- Somebody who's called Ricky is listening right now
0:32:19and they're like, "What?"
0:32:20There is a Ricky in the audience and they're pointing out.
0:32:24- Sometimes after we do these, we hang up the Skype call
0:32:26and you just have a sense of dread
0:32:29that you really blew it.
0:32:30And this is where I was last Wednesday.
0:32:33We hung up the Skype call, I get some lunch,
0:32:35I'm editing the episode, I'm like,
0:32:37"Pass Steven, you really messed this up."
0:32:40Not so much that I would alter the integrity of the show
0:32:43and change it, I didn't do that.
0:32:45I didn't think about it.
0:32:47Could I slip one in and they wouldn't notice?
0:32:48- I really wish you would have done that.
0:32:50(laughing)
0:32:51- Mine was the HomePod would gain multiple user support
0:32:56via voice detection.
0:32:57- Well.
0:32:58- You were chronologically the first person
0:33:01to score your Ricky.
0:33:02- It was very early on.
0:33:03As soon as they mentioned the HomePod,
0:33:05I thought, I've got this, because why else would they bring it up?
0:33:11Because they sell like two a month, and they're still too expensive.
0:33:15They sound great, it's fine, but like, as soon as they're like, "And we have something
0:33:18for the HomePod," it was like a light from heaven came down on me in the keynote hall
0:33:24and said, "Steven, my son, you are correct."
0:33:28Is the HomePod your dad now?
0:33:30Is that what that is?
0:33:32I really liked when they when they show that off is that they had this image on the screen of like a home pod and
0:33:37Like a bunch of people's legs like they were sitting around it and looking at it like they're all facing towards it
0:33:42It's who does that like wow?
0:33:44Center piece of your home. No, you know what I want to do. I want to sit down around the table and talk to Siri
0:33:50Yeah, let's have a conversation all four of us
0:33:53We'll add things to our calendars and it'll go in the right place is a doctor so good
0:33:58Congratulations, it's a shock to all of us
0:34:01but I too have a perfect score. Mm-hmm good job.
0:34:07Ederiko. Yes. Would you like to go through your pick? My Reiki was Apple will
0:34:12bring back some kind of... Some kind? Yes. I just like the emphasis, I enjoyed the
0:34:18emphasis. Thank you. Of app quotes, app list slash launcher UI. It is in quotes in our
0:34:26document. UI element on iPad. Okay. Now I know why you think this is debatable so
0:34:31So I'm going to make my case for why.
0:34:35You can have multiple apps in SlideOver.
0:34:37And when you want to choose between them,
0:34:40there's an app picker just for those apps.
0:34:43You mean like the multitasking view, right?
0:34:44Is that what you're talking about?
0:34:45Yes.
0:34:45It looks like that.
0:34:46There's always also in SlideOver,
0:34:50if you want to put in SlideOver an app that
0:34:52has multiple windows--
0:34:53and I sent you screenshots for this--
0:34:55there's a vertical element that shows you
0:34:57all those windows on the side.
0:35:00Same for Split View.
0:35:01If you want to put an app that has multiple windows
0:35:03in Split View, there's a new UI for those windows
0:35:07on the right side.
0:35:09So it may not exactly be what I had in mind,
0:35:13but it's three things.
0:35:15So really, if you do the math, three sort of,
0:35:19it's like one yes.
0:35:21- Wait, no, wait.
0:35:24What is that math?
0:35:26- If you don't give me this point,
0:35:28I will call the police.
0:35:30[laughter]
0:35:36So I think—I don't want that to happen, first of all.
0:35:39I would like to report a conspiracy.
0:35:41I think the language that saved you is some kind.
0:35:46And in hindsight, I think we should have put it in.
0:35:48I think we should have put it in, to be more specific.
0:35:50And we shouldn't have let him use the quotation marks.
0:35:52Don't—you actually don't—don't do that!
0:35:54Give me the point.
0:35:55He actually typed it in.
0:35:58That's a terrible idea.
0:36:00No, we're not doing it because of this, because I'm not letting you set that precedent that
0:36:04every time you want something, try and call the police for it.
0:36:07Do it!
0:36:08No, we will not have that in our household.
0:36:10You will not do this.
0:36:12We're going to give you the point.
0:36:13You are not my father, he is.
0:36:20We won't, look, just please.
0:36:22Look at it.
0:36:24Please just delete the numbers from your phone.
0:36:26We're going to give you the point.
0:36:28got nothing to do with oh my god he nearly pressed it yeah sheesh I think I
0:36:32think these some kind of I think it saved you and that's really on us we
0:36:37should have made you be more specific and you will not get away with this
0:36:40again young man we've all so well we had trophies what a victory give to well
0:36:48winners and we have roadies we had prizes prizes things thanks we had
0:36:54- There are things to give to the winners.
0:36:56We have a three-way tie.
0:36:58- But we need to come back to this.
0:37:01We're just gonna leave that hanging
0:37:02because we have some non-graded picks we need to deal with.
0:37:07- Oh yeah, okay.
0:37:09- So we, non-graded is sort of a misnomer.
0:37:13- Because now we're grading it.
0:37:14- Because now we're grading it.
0:37:15So the new rule is that the loser has to buy drinks.
0:37:18- Yeah.
0:37:19- And so these picks were supposed to be non-graded
0:37:22but now they're graded because Federico
0:37:24- You have to bet on everything.
0:37:25- Yes.
0:37:26- Apple does some new stuff of Animoji
0:37:28to make it more like Bitmoji.
0:37:30- Yes.
0:37:31- Some new stuff.
0:37:33- That's how you got your Ricky.
0:37:34- I'm gonna call the police.
0:37:36(audience laughing)
0:37:39- So here's the thing about my non-graded picks.
0:37:42I pick the same things every time,
0:37:44'cause at some point I'll be right.
0:37:46That did not happen to me this year.
0:37:48I said that MailApp would get modern features like snoozing.
0:37:52- It didn't get anything, did it?
0:37:53No, it got something. What did it get? You can drag the composer around, make a new window, and...
0:37:57That's not...
0:37:58So it got what iOS 13 brings.
0:37:59That's not what we're thinking of. I think Dan Morin told me it gets multiple colored flags now.
0:38:05[audience cheers]
0:38:06Oh, so this is...
0:38:06No, that's not what we're gonna be excited about!
0:38:08-Matter feature! -You have a rich text composer.
0:38:10No, it's like an old thing. It's just already on the Mac. It only exists on the Mac. So...
0:38:14You can mute threads.
0:38:16Muting threads is not what we were thinking of.
0:38:18That's not...
0:38:19Hey, look, it's not graded anyways. Can I please just have it?
0:38:21Wait. Yes.
0:38:23- I still lose. - Yeah, 'cause you'll still lose.
0:38:24Who can give it to me? I still lose.
0:38:26- Yeah. - It's fine.
0:38:26- Okay.
0:38:27- So I get a half point, which we don't award,
0:38:30to a non-graded pick, which we don't grade.
0:38:32- That's how it works, yeah.
0:38:33You got a half point for this.
0:38:34- All right.
0:38:35Federico, what was your next one?
0:38:37- There will be changes.
0:38:38See how precise and surgical I can be?
0:38:41There will be changes. - You can be.
0:38:43Not on your Ricky, though.
0:38:44- Do I need to unlock it again?
0:38:45- Oh, God, please put your phone down.
0:38:47- There will be changes to the...
0:38:49Give me my phone.
0:38:50- Okay.
0:38:51- There will be changes to the drawing,
0:38:52sketching interface used for screenshots, notes, et cetera.
0:38:57Maybe it'll even be--
0:38:59[LAUGHTER]
0:39:02You just wasted my iCloud story.
0:39:04Taking selfies.
0:39:06I want money.
0:39:06Changing your wallpaper.
0:39:08Maybe it'll even be an API.
0:39:10Texting your mom.
0:39:10So I got Pencil Kit, and I got the new drawing interface
0:39:15that you can drag around.
0:39:16And this is an awesome deal, right?
0:39:18Because we've all used drawing apps where their pencil support
0:39:21lags behind, literally lags behind.
0:39:23- Heyo! - Hey!
0:39:24- I was talking to some developers
0:39:27that they were just about to release
0:39:29their own custom drawing interface before.
0:39:33They were working on it.
0:39:34- Hey, it's better to have it before, right?
0:39:37Like then to finish it and ship it
0:39:38and then have to change it, I guess, right?
0:39:41- Sure.
0:39:41- You can throw away some code and do it again.
0:39:43- But it's exciting.
0:39:44- It's very good.
0:39:45- Do you get the sense that that will be something
0:39:47that a lot of drawing apps,
0:39:48like say the Paper app for instance,
0:39:50who have invested a lot in their own drawing mechanisms.
0:39:55Do you think they'll just swap it out
0:39:57or you think it's gonna be like a slow process?
0:39:59- I don't know, it's like--
0:40:00- I feel like if you are an actual note-taking
0:40:03or drawing-focused app,
0:40:04you should be doing something in that world
0:40:08that makes your app different.
0:40:10I feel like this is something to add to apps
0:40:12that would also like to have.
0:40:13- I don't know how customizable it is, but--
0:40:15- That's why, right?
0:40:16- The Apple version does a lot that you get for free
0:40:20and the performance is like, it's a lot of work.
0:40:22- Right, but like, if you are Notability or Good Notes,
0:40:26like your whole app is note taking, right?
0:40:28Like you wanna have more features
0:40:31and it's possibly more Apple provides.
0:40:34- Yeah, I guess, yeah.
0:40:34- We'll see.
0:40:35I would be surprised if we see like actual drawing apps.
0:40:39- Good Notes or whatever.
0:40:40- Or like Procreate, no Procreate,
0:40:42but like something a bit more simple.
0:40:43- Why is the last note not assigned to me?
0:40:45- Huh?
0:40:47- No, you got it.
0:40:47- It's not green.
0:40:48- Yes it is.
0:40:49Google docs on the iPad is an ad.
0:40:51Well, we'll come to-- what, framework?
0:40:53It's not good for me.
0:40:54Well, look, that's because it hasn't--
0:40:56because you're not connected to the internet.
0:40:57What do you want from me?
0:40:58Next.
0:40:59Myke.
0:41:00Jeez.
0:41:01You got a huge win for USB drive lovers everywhere.
0:41:04External storage support on iOS.
0:41:06Now, now, The Verge and Gadget and Federico and Jason Snell
0:41:11won't complain about it anymore in their reviews.
0:41:13That's kind of--
0:41:14Is that stop talking?
0:41:15I just want people to stop talking about it.
0:41:16I just don't want people to talk about it anymore.
0:41:18That's all.
0:41:19I'm done with this.
0:41:20Move on.
0:41:21- You got the point for something that you don't want.
0:41:25- What I wanted was to not have to hear
0:41:27about this complaint.
0:41:28- New rule, to get a point you should--
0:41:30- No, that is not a new rule.
0:41:32I am, no, my passion comes from the other way.
0:41:34I just really don't wanna hear about it anymore.
0:41:36That's my passion.
0:41:38- You hater.
0:41:39- I want to spend some time this fall
0:41:40seeing how far I can push this.
0:41:43I have a lot of zip discs laying around.
0:41:46- And I'm just wondering if I can assemble
0:41:49the right chain of dongles.
0:41:51Can I take something out of my G3 tower
0:41:54and put it on my iPad? - We're gonna have to go
0:41:55to the old town of dongle town, old dongle town.
0:41:57- Ye olde dongle town. - Ye olde dongle town.
0:41:59- My next one is my annual-- - I told you not to do this.
0:42:04- I know, but I really, if there's anyone listening
0:42:09who has any power, this is all I want.
0:42:11iOS 14 could be nothing but this and I would be happy.
0:42:14- No, you wouldn't.
0:42:16I'll use the Mac.
0:42:17iCloud family photo sharing.
0:42:19Let me paint you a picture.
0:42:21Some people have other people in their lives.
0:42:24- This is gonna take long.
0:42:25- You read about the mayor for an hour.
0:42:27Some people have people they care about in their lives
0:42:30who they wanna share pictures with.
0:42:32And you're doing it via iMessage or AirDrop.
0:42:35This is just be an iCloud photo library.
0:42:37We've talked about this forever.
0:42:38Jason's talked about it.
0:42:40I just, so much of iCloud family sharing stuff
0:42:43is really kind of half baked.
0:42:46but this is just missing entirely.
0:42:47And it seems so obvious to me, especially this year.
0:42:51And look, the new Photos app looks amazing.
0:42:53All the stuff they're doing to surface old photos
0:42:56and context-aware stuff, like if I'm searching
0:42:59and hiding things, oh, that looks awesome.
0:43:01But I still can't very simply share 30 photos
0:43:05I took at my kid's birthday party with my spouse.
0:43:08And that just seems like something Apple would be really into.
0:43:11- Can you give me my phone back?
0:43:13- Not yet.
0:43:14- Okay.
0:43:15- Yeah, I mean, I don't particularly want that feature,
0:43:19but I understand--
0:43:20- You have someone in your life you care about?
0:43:21- Yeah, but we don't wanna share all of our pictures
0:43:23of each other.
0:43:24- Not all of them, I mean, they need to be controlled,
0:43:25but look at the way Google Photos does it,
0:43:28and just do that.
0:43:28- But isn't Google's thing like you do share everything?
0:43:31- There's lots of options on like who's in the image and--
0:43:35- I just don't really think I wanna do it.
0:43:38- You just uncheck, anyway, some of us do want it.
0:43:40Federico.
0:43:42Improved support for zip archives in the files app and framework and of course you had to make the deep and open framework joke
0:43:49Deep and open open for I got all of this you can compress files
0:43:53You can unzip archives and it's all right there files app document browser. What's the framework?
0:43:57What's the zip in framework?
0:44:00Zip kit is there in the files app and framework?
0:44:05the files framework
0:44:08You can zip English you can zip in the files framework. Yes, and you
0:44:14Can you zip and unzip in not outside of the files? I mean my phone you're not running out
0:44:19No, you're not gonna take it cuz you when you say it like that with that look in your eye
0:44:25I'm not gonna give it to you
0:44:27Right cuz you look really angry and I can't see how that's gonna go well for anyone better
0:44:32You go no fun. No phone time till bedtime tonight
0:44:34so
0:44:36The the non-graded picks didn't go well for me. Mm-hmm, and I believe I owe the two of you drinks. Yep
0:44:42Yes, what all of you don't get excited? What is the fanciest bar in San Jose?
0:44:47Work it out later on let's ask the mayor. So we do have a a tie
0:44:54We have a three-way tie we need to fix that. I have a proposition
0:44:58Okay, but before we get to the proposition
0:45:00Let's thank our next sponsor. Oh, that's good. We're gonna leave these people in suspense is what we're doing
0:45:05- Is it less suspenseful when I draw attention to that?
0:45:07- Yeah. - Okay.
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0:49:29- Yes.
0:49:30(audience applauding)
0:49:31Okay, so we had said that if there was a tie,
0:49:36we would do what we did last time and flip a coin.
0:49:39Problem is, cannot get a three-sided coin.
0:49:42- Well, I couldn't find one on Amazon Prime at least.
0:49:44- Couldn't find a three-sided coin.
0:49:46So I have two propositions to solve this.
0:49:50There is the tournament, and the knockout.
0:49:53- Can you explain the difference please?
0:49:54- Yes, tournament version, you two, one on one,
0:49:59then the winner goes against me.
0:50:01- Wait a second.
0:50:02- Why are you so special?
0:50:03- Because I get advantage as the winner of the last one.
0:50:07- You got your advantage by having the first pick
0:50:09in all of those rounds.
0:50:10Your advantage is over.
0:50:11- All right, knockout version.
0:50:13- Okay.
0:50:14- We keep flipping until--
0:50:15- Can we hit each other in this version?
0:50:16- Keep flipping until there's one man standing.
0:50:18- Ooh, that sounds good.
0:50:19- We just keep flipping.
0:50:20- Okay. - That sounds good.
0:50:21- Could take 20 minutes.
0:50:23- That sounds great. - Okay.
0:50:25- I think we need a judge.
0:50:28- An official adjudicator.
0:50:29- I think we need some outside help,
0:50:30so please welcome to the stage Jason Snell.
0:50:33(audience applauding)
0:50:36- Hi, Jason.
0:50:37So we rehearsed this a little bit later on,
0:50:43a little bit earlier on,
0:50:45and we came to the harsh realization
0:50:47that Jason Snell cannot flip a coin.
0:50:49- Flip a coin.
0:50:50Like, it is, I've never seen in my entire life,
0:50:54somebody attempt to flip a coin in the many ways
0:50:57that Jason attempted to flip a coin.
0:50:59- It's like I've never seen a coin before.
0:51:00- Yeah, it was, he--
0:51:03- It was sad is what it was.
0:51:05- Just kept throwing it up into the air
0:51:07and he kept dropping it and then he couldn't pick it up.
0:51:09It was like a whole thing.
0:51:11- And this was the excellent, I think,
0:51:13still on sale Relay FM Challenge coin.
0:51:15- Yes, where can people go to get the Relay FM Challenge?
0:51:17- And we learned something important
0:51:19about the relay FM challenge coin when I finally did figure out how to flip it, which is I
0:51:24flipped it 10 times and it came up heads all 10 times.
0:51:26Yes.
0:51:27Yes.
0:51:28Now I could have used this information for evil.
0:51:30Oh my God, that was so loud.
0:51:32Don't make sounds like that.
0:51:35That was really scary.
0:51:38Give me the point, Jason.
0:51:40I think we should talk more about US file access in iOS.
0:51:43So we can't use the coin.
0:51:45- So we've decided that Jason is going to ask Siri.
0:51:50- Yes, yes.
0:51:50'Cause none of us can be trusted,
0:51:52so we have to bring somebody else onto the stage
0:51:54to ask Siri.
0:51:56- So how this works is you're going to let each of us
0:52:00select our heads or tails.
0:52:02- Correct.
0:52:03- And then you will ask Siri to flip a coin.
0:52:05- Yes.
0:52:06- And then Siri and I will eliminate at least one of you.
0:52:07- So for instance, just so we're all clear,
0:52:11if I say heads and Siri says tails, I'm out.
0:52:14- Yeah.
0:52:15We can all say the same thing so we can all we could be here for hours
0:52:19If you know we do have a contract saying we have to leave this could be the rest of the episode
0:52:23That's fine. There's nothing else happened this. Yeah, we'll just keep doing it until we get to the end
0:52:26Okay, so round one. I think we should go in the round-rubbing style. No, that's too it doesn't make a difference
0:52:3250/50 anyway, so I do it round one. I want to be Myke is going to get to go first because he had that slight advantage
0:52:39Know it's hard and then Federico was going to go first. No, he was third. Well, it's
0:52:44He's making up his arm rolls, he's gone rogue.
0:52:46Myke, heads or tails?
0:52:47Heads.
0:52:48Federico?
0:52:49Heads.
0:52:50Tails.
0:52:51Okay.
0:52:52Bold move.
0:52:53Can you show me the version that you're running?
0:52:54Is that official software?
0:52:56It's not a beta.
0:52:57Hey Siri, flip a coin.
0:52:59It's tails.
0:53:03Oh.
0:53:04Oh.
0:53:05First place.
0:53:08I did it in one?
0:53:13In one? I was hoping for a little bit more. First place, so now we have to choose who's...
0:53:17Oh yeah, now we get to go, because now, who's second?
0:53:19It's the battle for last now, yes.
0:53:21Ah, I was really hoping it was gonna take longer than that.
0:53:23So it's me against you?
0:53:25It's me against you for second. I will not lose again.
0:53:28Federico, heads or tails?
0:53:29Heads.
0:53:31You just say... You wanna say heads or you wanna go for tails?
0:53:33[laughter]
0:53:35What's the time?
0:53:37Obviously we'll go with tails.
0:53:39Hey Siri, flip a coin.
0:53:41It's Tails.
0:53:43Yes!
0:53:44You lose, baby!
0:53:46This is a travesty.
0:53:48Yep, well.
0:53:49Congratulations, Steven.
0:53:50No toilet for me this year.
0:53:52Jason Snell, everybody.
0:53:53Official coin flipper of the connected podcast.
0:53:57Myke?
0:53:59Yep.
0:54:00Steven, open the notes up.
0:54:02Oh, here we go.
0:54:03We have prizes.
0:54:04Well, thanks.
0:54:05We've got to go back to the surprise again.
0:54:07Just a second.
0:54:08Myke, which phone do you think the baker is?
0:54:10think the baker uses?
0:54:12[laughter]
0:54:14[laughter]
0:54:16An iPhone 6.
0:54:18Okay, well it doesn't really matter.
0:54:20I was just...
0:54:22Oh, okay then.
0:54:24Where do you think the baker likes
0:54:26to share his photos
0:54:28of his bread? Is this
0:54:30for me? His baguette, his pizza.
0:54:32[laughter]
0:54:34It's not Rico.
0:54:36WhatsApp? Like is it...
0:54:38-Publicly. -Facebook. No? Is that a no or a yes?
0:54:42-MySpace. -Google+
0:54:44No, I mean, it's the obvious one, come on.
0:54:47-Shwitter? -Pictures?
0:54:49-Instagram. -Thank you, Steve.
0:54:51I'm young, I know what Instagram is.
0:54:53So, when people appreciate a photo on Instagram, what's it called?
0:55:01They like it.
0:55:02So, they give you...
0:55:04-Likes. -Write down likes.
0:55:06We're done.
0:55:08[audience laughter]
0:55:10What do you have so far?
0:55:12Chicago. No, just the, that was not the Baker. The Baker likes. Cool. Thanks. Moving on.
0:55:18[laughter]
0:55:23I've never been more confused about anything in my life
0:55:26than what you have done to this podcast. Is Chicago needed? No. Oh. He's probably dumb because he couldn't understand his own.
0:55:32[laughter]
0:55:36Have some awards to give out. Yeah
0:55:38Steven reaches under the table always getting up now
0:55:42This is still an audio podcast at heart. Oh, it's a big wooden box. Oh
0:55:47My god is that who is this for?
0:55:51It's impossible to tell it's a big wooden box and it says
0:55:55Macintosh Plus on it on gold inlay. Yep, who is this first second or third? Did you buy a present for yourself? Did you and Jason?
0:56:04collude
0:56:06(audience laughing)
0:56:07- Someone will have to write a report about that.
0:56:09- What is this?
0:56:10- In third place, we have Federico Vittucci.
0:56:15And losing is a very stressful thing.
0:56:18So you have a classic Macintosh stress ball.
0:56:21- Oh my God.
0:56:22(audience applauding)
0:56:23- I would watch that before you use it.
0:56:25- Oh no!
0:56:26- No!
0:56:26- Are you serious?
0:56:27- Is that from that person that I looked up
0:56:29and I found him in a voter registration database?
0:56:32- Yes it is.
0:56:33- Oh!
0:56:34- Yeah, I did a thing.
0:56:34So basically, Steven sent us a photo.
0:56:36Why'd you let me touch it?
0:56:39It's kind of yellow and stained.
0:56:43Just like an old Mac.
0:56:44So Steven sent us a photo of-- when he bought this trophy--
0:56:49he sent us a photo of this box.
0:56:51And on this box was a label.
0:56:52And on that label, so I zoomed into the picture,
0:56:55and there was the name of somebody.
0:56:57And so I looked it up, this person's name on Google.
0:57:00And I found his address.
0:57:02And he's a registered voter.
0:57:04So he's a good US citizen.
0:57:06And I kind of wanted to call him,
0:57:08and I wanted to pretend that was Amazon or eBay, actually,
0:57:11and be like, hey, I wanted to check on your--
0:57:13there was a problem on your shipment.
0:57:16And I wanted just making sure what was in the box.
0:57:19But then I didn't do it.
0:57:20I wanted to be surprised.
0:57:21So thank you, Steven.
0:57:22You're welcome.
0:57:24Please don't let the dogs eat it.
0:57:25Why is it called Smeka-Mek?
0:57:27I don't know.
0:57:29It's got a kiss on it.
0:57:31I let John Syracuse borrow it earlier.
0:57:33I don't know what happened.
0:57:35What is second place?
0:57:36Second place is better than third place.
0:57:41And I feel like second place really contains
0:57:46all the emotions of winning and losing.
0:57:49- Yeah.
0:57:50- So second place gets this lovely box
0:57:53and you think it's just a whole other prize then.
0:57:55- Oh come on, this isn't fair.
0:57:56- It is a floppy disk holder.
0:57:58- I can't get this home.
0:58:00This is clearly the third place.
0:58:02I have now this huge wooden box to deal with.
0:58:05- But think how many floppy disks you can store.
0:58:07(audience laughing)
0:58:08I can't get the little things back in.
0:58:09- I feel like you were always gonna give yourself
0:58:12what you wanted.
0:58:13Because last year-- - I kinda wanted the box,
0:58:15honestly. - Why don't you take it then?
0:58:17- 'Cause it's the second place prize,
0:58:18and I'm a winner. - I can't believe
0:58:19that it was actually a conspiracy against Myke.
0:58:21- After all this time. - All along.
0:58:23- So you get a lovely, I think handcrafted box.
0:58:26- You get it back. - Macintosh Plus
0:58:28inlay on the top. - You get it back.
0:58:29I'll take the dividers, you can have the box.
0:58:32- I can't. - Congratulations.
0:58:33- This will not go in my suitcase.
0:58:34- I have a Mac Pro to get home.
0:58:36- There is no way.
0:58:38- You can do it.
0:58:39The thing is, pack all your socks inside of it.
0:58:41That's how I did it to get it here.
0:58:42- That's actually a pretty good idea.
0:58:44- All your pants.
0:58:45- I don't know if my suitcase
0:58:46is literally deep enough for this.
0:58:48- You'll figure it out.
0:58:50And first place, I thought should have something
0:58:54to commemorate the news of WBC of the Mac
0:58:57and the iPad coming closer together.
0:59:00We have apps that can run on both.
0:59:01We need an adjudicator for prizes next year. You can't be trusted to buy prizes anymore.
0:59:05Jason Snell's agreeing with you, it's very troubling.
0:59:08Because you can just buy whatever and assign it to yourself in whatever order you want.
0:59:12So first place I thought should commemorate...
0:59:15You just buy the things you like.
0:59:16...the things that happen at WDC. So this is a three-part gift.
0:59:19It's a three-piece gift.
0:59:20You gave yourself three gifts?
0:59:22There are three of us!
0:59:24It's a three-piece enamel pen set. One, I couldn't find an iPad so it's an E-Mate 300.
0:59:29Exactly, and this is what you wanted it is a pen with Macintosh with the rainbow
0:59:35I mean off what you would want and then a really nice gold pin uh-huh with the rainbow Apple logo on it isn't that strange?
0:59:41I didn't know I was gonna win this frankly after after my
0:59:45Home Pod pick I thought I was doomed
0:59:48But here we are inspired against us the whole time
0:59:52Yeah, prices did not go over well this year you and Jason Snell look at the size of this box
0:59:57Last year you got a toilet trophy, but it was small
1:00:01Thanks for prizes dad
1:00:05Let's talk about the iPad mmm, okay, so about iPad OS it's pretty great. I got an OS so
1:00:14That was a you didn't expect that did you know no no not at all
1:00:19What I was actually the most surprised of anyone because I didn't know that it leaked out
1:00:23I didn't see that because apparently it leaked like 10 minutes before and everyone on Twitter knew and I wasn't reading Twitter
1:00:29Although I didn't see it. From a developer agreement
1:00:32Yeah, like so I I like screamed when it happened. I was so excited. Mm-hmm
1:00:38I would never have expected this. I don't I couldn't have imagined Apple ever doing it let alone doing it now
1:00:43So I think it's fantastic. So Federico they forked iOS. So it is did they?
1:00:49That's like question number one, right? Like what did they actually?
1:00:52I don't know if they went to GitHub and hit fork or not,
1:00:55but what it effectively means is the iPad
1:00:57is getting features that the iPhone won't.
1:01:00- But you can make the case that that was already happening.
1:01:03- Oh sure, I mean look at multitasking, right?
1:01:06That was never gonna come like crazy split screen business
1:01:08to the iPhone, but to me at least,
1:01:10it's not so much as a signifier of what's happened,
1:01:13but what will happen in the future.
1:01:15Because now, what happens at WBC where they talk about
1:01:19TV OS and iOS and everything else and skip iPad OS.
1:01:22That effectively happened last year.
1:01:24It was like, oh, the iOS 11 stuff is fine.
1:01:27Check back later.
1:01:29Maybe that indicates a renewed commitment.
1:01:32I think it does.
1:01:33Yeah.
1:01:33And I've seen folks get really upset about it's just
1:01:37a marketing name because they want to sell more iPads.
1:01:40Like this weird connection between--
1:01:42All names are marketing names when you think about it.
1:01:44And they do want to sell more things if you think about it.
1:01:46Sure.
1:01:47But--
1:01:47About all of it.
1:01:48I feel like there's enough, like I like the idea of sending the message that it's
1:01:53a unique enough platform that it deserves having its own name, but it's still at the
1:01:59very foundation of course it's iOS.
1:02:01And so I don't understand getting upset about the fact that it's iOS but this iPad
1:02:07OS name is sort of fake and it's just for the show.
1:02:10I feel like it's a good show.
1:02:12It's a good show.
1:02:13I watch that show.
1:02:14Also, you get all these features, right?
1:02:17Multi-window, split view, and drag and drop,
1:02:20and the full-size keyboard,
1:02:22all the things that the iPad has,
1:02:24and I feel that justifies having a separate dedicated name.
1:02:28- Yeah, and I think deserves the focus
1:02:32that that name has to give it, right?
1:02:35As you said, you can't say, "Oh, here's tvOS.
1:02:40"We're gonna do this,"
1:02:41and then just not talk about iPadOS.
1:02:43There's five platforms now.
1:02:44- It is a lot and that's something,
1:02:46that's a topic I wanna get into later this summer
1:02:48of like, it's a lot of stuff going on.
1:02:51But as someone who, that has not my primary computer,
1:02:55I like this news too because it shows
1:02:58that they're willing to be bold
1:03:00on what they're gonna do with the iPad.
1:03:02It felt for a really long time,
1:03:03I think it was true for a really long time
1:03:04until the last couple releases,
1:03:06that they had to play this balancing game
1:03:08between the iPad and iPhone.
1:03:09And I feel like Apple's kind of signifying,
1:03:11you know, we can take those shackles off the iPad
1:03:13And it can become what they really want it to be.
1:03:16And that's really exciting, because that's good for the rest of the ecosystem as well.
1:03:20Is there anything about iPadOS that you specifically want to touch on?
1:03:23Like, what are the things that you are the most excited about?
1:03:26Well, I think the multi-window stuff is really impressively done.
1:03:31I want to see how it shakes out in terms of discoverability.
1:03:34And this is something that was discussed on the talk show last night.
1:03:37For example, the idea of you enable all these features.
1:03:40you can have multiple windows for every app,
1:03:42and you can put the same app in multiple spaces.
1:03:45And you can have multiple apps or multiple windows
1:03:48for the same app in SlideOver, and you
1:03:49can cycle through them.
1:03:51And it's really quite the system when you look at it.
1:03:54And I think it enables so many new use cases in terms of not
1:03:59just seeing two documents up on screen at the same time,
1:04:03but really having multiple windows in different types
1:04:08of windows, even-- so SlideOver, SplitView, Spaces--
1:04:10and you have Exposé.
1:04:11So I think it'll be really fascinating to see
1:04:13how developers implement that.
1:04:16Files, I was really surprised to see the extent
1:04:19that they went with this upgrade.
1:04:22And basically, I was going through my wish list again,
1:04:24and essentially everything was addressed.
1:04:27Column view, metadata, quick look, the quick actions.
1:04:31You have zip and unzip.
1:04:32You have folder-based collaboration.
1:04:35You have external USB and SD access.
1:04:38You have file servers.
1:04:40And it seems like so far it's only SMB servers.
1:04:43Ideally, it should also be SFTP and all that kind of stuff,
1:04:45but we'll see.
1:04:47So that--
1:04:47What is an SMB server?
1:04:49Ask.
1:04:50Ask your friend.
1:04:51What is an SMB server?
1:04:53OK.
1:04:55And then Safari really got this massive update
1:05:00that they did this entire rework of what
1:05:05it means to have Safari as a desktop browser on iPad.
1:05:09You have all these websites that now work on Safari for I,
1:05:13but from Google Docs to YouTube.
1:05:15And you can actually choose the quality of the video in YouTube
1:05:18in Safari now.
1:05:20You have Netflix working in desktop Safari.
1:05:24And it's not just that, but you've got a download manager.
1:05:27So this is something that I learned today.
1:05:29When you download a file, you can
1:05:32choose if you want to-- by default,
1:05:34it goes into iCloud Drive/downloads.
1:05:37But you can choose any file provider
1:05:38to be your default downloads location.
1:05:41So you can put it in local storage,
1:05:43or you can put it in Dropbox.
1:05:44- The iPad's real good, right?
1:05:46- Yeah.
1:05:47- Isn't it nice? - Well, it's been good
1:05:48for a while. - But it's getting even gooder.
1:05:50- It's getting, yeah.
1:05:51And I'll tell you this, which actually,
1:05:54it's got all these new keyboard shortcuts.
1:05:59It's got this entirely reworked menu
1:06:02for Safari Reader and content blockers.
1:06:07It's been entirely rebuilt, and it's not just like flipping a switch
1:06:10and saying, "Okay, now it's desktop mode."
1:06:12But there was a lot of thought that went into adjusting the viewport for--
1:06:15- Do you know how stuff like--
1:06:19when you go on a website and you hover over a menu
1:06:21and a menu comes down, how are they dealing with that?
1:06:24- They try-- my understanding is that they try to avoid leaving the page
1:06:31so that a tap doesn't actually navigate to that element
1:06:34but shows you what the hover state would be,
1:06:37sort of like, how are you doing that?
1:06:39It was a lot of work, or so I've been told.
1:06:43- Something in between.
1:06:46- Yeah, somewhere in between,
1:06:47if there was only a word for that.
1:06:49I wanna talk quickly about shortcuts.
1:06:53- Oh, let's take a break.
1:06:56Let's take a break, then we'll talk about shortcuts.
1:06:58- Let's take a break.
1:06:59Maybe I'll get this one right.
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1:09:12So Federico, tell us about shortcuts.
1:09:17- Massive update that sadly didn't get the time
1:09:21that it deserved in the keynote.
1:09:23And I feel like maybe not enough people
1:09:27are talking about this now, and it kind of makes sense
1:09:28because the week of the conference,
1:09:31everybody's excited about the Mac Pro and iPadOS.
1:09:34But really, what they did with the shortcuts app
1:09:36is impressive.
1:09:37So it's now built into the system.
1:09:40And it's got this whole new editor.
1:09:42So the way that you actually create your shortcuts,
1:09:45if you want to put together a simple shortcut
1:09:48or a multi-step shortcut, the editor is all new.
1:09:51And it's based on this idea of getting rid of--
1:09:56There's a parallel in a way between ZwiftUI and the new shortcuts.
1:10:01ZwiftUI is pitched as a way to have way less code.
1:10:05And in a way, the new editor of shortcuts is a way to have way fewer actions,
1:10:09in the sense that all the previous input-based system,
1:10:13like doing the get variable stuff, that's gone.
1:10:17Basically every action now has a parameter.
1:10:20And that is a whole new deal with shortcuts in iOS 13,
1:10:24is to have a parameter-based system
1:10:26where in every action you can go in there
1:10:28and there's like a field,
1:10:30and you can say, "I want to have some text in here,"
1:10:33or "I want to pick a document," or "I want to pick a location."
1:10:36And it sort of looks like a natural language UI.
1:10:41It reminds me of when in Fantastical,
1:10:43when you're typing out a sentence
1:10:45and there's all those tokens that sort of fly out
1:10:48because they're recognized.
1:10:49When you're putting together an action,
1:10:51the new shortcuts, it sort of looks like that.
1:10:53You have this sentence that says, "Pick two photos,"
1:10:56and, you know, in a way that is structured
1:10:59that makes sense, visually speaking.
1:11:02And that saves a lot of time when putting together a shortcut.
1:11:06But that's not all, because this parameter-based system,
1:11:10it's also -- it's been opened up to developers.
1:11:13And so developers can now --
1:11:14And this is what we were talking about, having a shortcuts API.
1:11:17-Is that like a deep and open framework?
1:11:19-Yes, exactly. It's exactly like a deep and open framework.
1:11:21-I think that joke's so old, no one here got it.
1:11:24-No. -I feel very self-conscious.
1:11:26-Yeah. -John Voorhees got it.
1:11:28So, thanks, John.
1:11:30The thing about parameters is that by having a shortcuts API,
1:11:35even more so than before,
1:11:36if there's a missing feature from shortcuts,
1:11:38now developers can come in and say,
1:11:40"I actually offer this feature as a shortcut
1:11:42that supports inputs and outputs
1:11:45and lets users define these data items
1:11:49and that actually can support dynamic options.
1:11:52So that when you run a shortcut from a third-party app,
1:11:55and maybe that app wants to confirm something with you,
1:11:57it can bring up a list of items.
1:12:00And that sort of unlocks so many capabilities
1:12:03that were not possible before.
1:12:04So that's going to be super, I think,
1:12:07super interesting to see how developers plug into that.
1:12:09But basically, it's a replacement for URL schemes.
1:12:13It's a replacement for those crazy clipboard-based hacks
1:12:17that folks like James Thompson, for example,
1:12:19implemented in iOS 12.
1:12:21So that's awesome.
1:12:22They're also doing automation in the context of you
1:12:25can now run your shortcuts automatically on a schedule.
1:12:28There's a bunch of triggers that we published on Mac Stories
1:12:31today.
1:12:32You can run a shortcut when you leave a location,
1:12:34or when you arrive, when you connect to Wi-Fi or Bluetooth.
1:12:38And they support different types of execution.
1:12:41So some of them are automatic.
1:12:43They don't require confirmation.
1:12:44And some of them require confirmation
1:12:46through a notification.
1:12:49So something that I was thinking about today is Bluetooth is now a trigger.
1:12:56So when a Bluetooth device connects, run a shortcut.
1:13:02And the new accessibility stuff is also a series of actions.
1:13:07So there are now actions for turn on assistive touch, for example.
1:13:12You see where this is going?
1:13:13I do.
1:13:14One of your concerns with getting cursor support on iPad was,
1:13:20"Well, I don't want to leave AssistiveTouch enabled all the time
1:13:23because it leaves that floating circle thing on your screen."
1:13:27But what if you had a shortcut that says,
1:13:31"When this Bluetooth trackpad connects, turn on AssistiveTouch?"
1:13:36-Yes. -And by doing that --
1:13:37-It's like somebody thought about what I would want to do.
1:13:40-Yeah. -And then they fixed it for me.
1:13:42Yeah, so automatic triggers are going to be awesome.
1:13:45Thank you.
1:13:45Yeah, they're here.
1:13:46Thank you.
1:13:47They're listening.
1:13:49And finally, I want to talk about the gallery.
1:13:53Even more so than before, the thing
1:13:55that they're doing in iOS 13 is really
1:13:58what should have been all along.
1:13:59There's no more separation between Siri shortcuts
1:14:03and custom shortcuts in that all the shortcuts section
1:14:07from settings is gone.
1:14:09Everything is into the shortcuts app,
1:14:11- Which is better.
1:14:12- You don't, yes.
1:14:13You don't have to go in there and manage them
1:14:17or record phrases.
1:14:19You can just type a phrase, for example.
1:14:22All of your custom shortcuts automatically run
1:14:25when you just say their name.
1:14:27So you don't have to say, oh, this custom shortcut,
1:14:29I wanna sign a phrase to that.
1:14:31Everything has been so much--
1:14:32- Wow.
1:14:33- Everything is so much simpler than before.
1:14:35And there's not only that,
1:14:38but because now shortcuts is built into the system.
1:14:40So let's say that you're adding a Siri shortcut from Peacock.
1:14:46And actually, James Thompson maybe
1:14:49has done the work to support parameters.
1:14:51But maybe you don't like the default state
1:14:53of that Siri shortcut.
1:14:54You can go in there, and before you add it to Siri--
1:14:58which, by the way, does not require speaking the phrase.
1:15:01You can just type the phrase.
1:15:02You can customize that shortcut before you add it to Siri.
1:15:06And the UI that you get--
1:15:08and remember, you're still in Peacock.
1:15:10But the UI that you get for customizing the shortcut
1:15:12is the shortcuts editor.
1:15:14- Oh, this is cool.
1:15:14- So the shortcuts editor is now a feature
1:15:16across the system because it's built into the system.
1:15:19- Oh, that's awesome.
1:15:22- Thank you shortcuts.
1:15:23- Thank you shortcuts.
1:15:24- Wow.
1:15:25- Go on then.
1:15:31- A lot of episodes we're talking about shortcuts.
1:15:33You may imagine what I'm doing and now you just saw it.
1:15:35I'm just sort of staring.
1:15:37- Like playing into the distance.
1:15:38I gotta play the Mac card just for a second.
1:15:41I know we're getting close on time.
1:15:42But spending some time with the Mac Pro this week,
1:15:45talking to the team behind it.
1:15:47- Look at me. - It's not a hug.
1:15:49- I got to touch it.
1:15:51- I didn't know that you can't touch it.
1:15:52I was not allowed to touch it.
1:15:53- I got to look at it with my own.
1:15:54- I was walking out of the place
1:15:55and some guy at his hand in the band said,
1:15:57"What happened?"
1:15:57He said, "I touched the handle and they,
1:15:59"choo!"
1:15:59- They closed it and then all my fingers fell off.
1:16:02- Well, it was very messy.
1:16:04I think what the Mac,
1:16:06we're gonna talk more about the Mac Pro.
1:16:07Of course, go listen to ATP this week.
1:16:09They did an excellent job, as you may imagine,
1:16:10talking about this.
1:16:12But the biggest thing for me with the Mac Pro
1:16:15is that Apple has put a stake in the ground,
1:16:19sort of back in the high levels of creativity
1:16:22and creative professional work.
1:16:25If you think about where the Mac strong suit has been,
1:16:28I mean, over the decades, you know,
1:16:31in the '90s it was print publishing,
1:16:34You know, Jason Snell's cranking up magazines
1:16:36on his, you know, Performa or whatever.
1:16:38I don't know.
1:16:41Macworld didn't have much money, he just had a Performa.
1:16:43It was very sad.
1:16:44- 2004.
1:16:45- And it moved to a lot of web design
1:16:49and web development later on.
1:16:50And now you do see Macs in these really high end
1:16:54audio and video production houses.
1:16:56But people were stringing multiple Macs together,
1:16:58it was kind of messy.
1:16:59And Apple has solved that problem.
1:17:02That doesn't necessarily mean they've solved
1:17:03my problem as a podcaster or your problem as a developer,
1:17:06although I think the Mac Pro is flexible enough
1:17:08to meet many people's needs.
1:17:10There's obviously a larger conversation to have--
1:17:12- Surprise, isn't.
1:17:13- About the display.
1:17:14But wherever you land on that continuum,
1:17:18I'm just excited as a Mac nerd to know
1:17:20that they have something at the very high end
1:17:23to keep the Mac relevant in those markets.
1:17:26I might not play in those markets myself,
1:17:28but they're important for Apple to have those customers,
1:17:31and I think that's great.
1:17:32- It's also nice if you use an iMac or even an iMac Pro
1:17:35to know what the future's gonna look like for you.
1:17:37- Absolutely, I mean clearly things like Afterburner
1:17:39aren't gonna come to the iMac Pro, I don't think.
1:17:42Things like the MPX dual GPU module, they're not gonna--
1:17:45- Why don't they just make the iMac really big?
1:17:48Like just really big.
1:17:49- Like the eMac used to be?
1:17:50- Yeah, it just keeps going.
1:17:52- It'd be great.
1:17:53It's on the desk, who cares how thin it is?
1:17:55- Exactly.
1:17:55- But--
1:17:56- It depends how close your desk is to the wall.
1:17:58- Is that a huge concern?
1:18:01It would be if you had to move your desk.
1:18:02How tiny is your office?
1:18:03Your office is named Mega Office.
1:18:05I live in London, man.
1:18:06That room.
1:18:06The mega's a joke.
1:18:07[LAUGHTER]
1:18:10So it's exciting to be a Mac user.
1:18:12I think even if this isn't the machine for you--
1:18:14and it's not for most people, honestly--
1:18:16I think that it's cool that it exists.
1:18:18And I can't wait for Jon to buy one.
1:18:21Jon looks very nervous on the front row.
1:18:24Come on, then.
1:18:25Steven, can you go please sit in the audience?
1:18:28[LAUGHTER]
1:18:31Take your phone, go sit in the audience, please.
1:18:33He's done with you now.
1:18:35Do I need a microphone?
1:18:36Uh, if you want.
1:18:37Can I take one?
1:18:38Yeah, sure.
1:18:39I want to feel like I'm still a part of this thing.
1:18:41Michael, close your iPad.
1:18:43So, Myke.
1:18:44Yeah.
1:18:45Why are we here?
1:18:47This week.
1:18:51For WWDC.
1:18:55Mm-hmm.
1:18:56What, uh...
1:18:59There's a conference going on, right?
1:19:03What does the convention center look like this year?
1:19:06It has neon on it.
1:19:08For what?
1:19:09Emoji.
1:19:10Dark mode.
1:19:11Hey.
1:19:12Hi.
1:19:13This is my section.
1:19:14It's nice to see you out there, actually.
1:19:15You know, somebody in the audience here today almost figured it out.
1:19:25There's a lot of people out there, actually.
1:19:28mentioned emoji okay hmm did we ever do an episode about emoji yes hmm
1:19:37Stephen what do you have in your notes I have Federico's surprise if you don't
1:19:43want to know what that is the words that you wrote down I wrote down Chicago be
1:19:47said that not why was Chicago ever brought up is it you just wanted to just
1:19:54say the pizza was bad? Was that all that was? Yes. I just needed to... I have Chicago, I
1:20:04have THE baker, and I have the word likes. So we did an episode about emoji. What was
1:20:12about? Weird fish. Write down weird fish.
1:20:18What do you have so far, Steven? Puerto Rico surprise. Chicago. The baker likes
1:20:31weird fish. Folks, it is time to open Safari. Everybody in the audience and at
1:20:36At home, right?
1:20:37At home.
1:20:39So if this was a, let's say, a place on the internet--
1:20:43Can I open Safari, or am I still looking at Next?
1:20:44Yeah.
1:20:45Put it together.
1:20:45What do you think that goes?
1:20:47Thebakerlikesweirdfish.com?
1:20:50Yeah, try dot com.
1:20:51Thebakerlikesweirdfish.com.
1:20:53You could have chose a shorter--
1:20:54Can you tell me, Steven, what do you see
1:20:56when you type that domain?
1:20:56I'm still typing.
1:20:57Yeah, that might not have got it right yet.
1:21:00Thebakerlikesweirdfish.com.
1:21:02It is the Emojipedia page for Microbe.
1:21:06What microbe microbe mm-hmm, and there's a link that says connected listeners
1:21:11Here is your long-awaited surprise if I tap this what happens wait did that go to Emoji PD?
1:21:19Yes, so Jeremy's involved
1:21:21I'm gonna tap on it now. Don't say what you see just look at it. Oh
1:21:28Oh, no
1:21:33>> I get to do it. >> For those not here, Federico is taking off his jacket. Myke looks. >> He has so
1:21:43many bracelets on, he literally cannot take his jacket off. Your jury has failed you. >> Taking
1:21:53off his jacket. >> I want you to look at my arm and see what I got. >> I'm going to take
1:21:59and see what I got.
1:22:01I've been keeping this a secret for three months.
1:22:10So, he'd...
1:22:11Wait!
1:22:12Wait! No, wait!
1:22:14Because we need to go to the extent at which you kept this secret.
1:22:17Hang on, hang on, Myke.
1:22:18Is that a lie?
1:22:19Yes.
1:22:20He told me...
1:22:21Oh my God.
1:22:22...that he had to go to the doctor...
1:22:25Terrible person.
1:22:25...to get a skin biopsy.
1:22:27[laughter]
1:22:31Right?
1:22:32No, it's worse than that, Myke.
1:22:34He told us he was getting a skin biopsy to help future patients.
1:22:38Yes!
1:22:39[laughter]
1:22:40Federico has a-- I love you so much.
1:22:45In case you have not been and seen this picture,
1:22:48Federico has the microbe emoji tattooed on his bicep.
1:22:54I love you.
1:22:56That's our show, I guess.
1:22:58[applause]
1:23:00I forgive him for the lies.
1:23:06[applause]
1:23:08Oh my god.
1:23:12Oh my god.
1:23:14Yeah, you can, you can. Go away.
1:23:16You just go.
1:23:18Look at it again? We're sending him away.
1:23:20I haven't seen it. Let me see it.
1:23:22Wow. You're still a terrible person.
1:23:24terrible person. Everybody give a hand. [Applause] >> Wow. >> I don't know what happened the last
1:23:30hour and a half. I feel like we should apologize. I have like friends here from home and I told
1:23:49them like we have this funny tech show. I don't think it was tech or funny.
1:23:53People were laughing. I mean they might have been being kind but they were laughing.
1:23:58So a couple things to wrap up. First of all I'd like to thank everyone who made this
1:24:04show possible. I'd like to thank our sponsors Astropad Studio, MaxxStadium, Instabug.
1:24:09Give them one more hand.
1:24:17I'd like to thank the Hammer Theatre. Anthony and his staff here are amazing. I've told them this. We do shows all over the country.
1:24:24This is my favorite theater to work with. It's my favorite show of the year. Please give the Hammer Theatre a hand.
1:24:29I'd like to thank our volunteers who helped make tonight possible. So Marco Arment is up in the sound booth.
1:24:45I know from my experience Monday night Marco is very sweaty
1:24:49So just stay up there till we clear out and we'll be good and also our friend Spencer is here
1:24:56Spencer's behind the scenes of a lot of our events in California an
1:25:00Amazing human being I made the joke earlier that he's the nicest guy on the internet, but he's not on Twitter
1:25:06So he's the nicest guy off the internet
1:25:08Sorry gray
1:25:10But Spencer's our photographer tonight, so if you see images we're sharing they came from him
1:25:15and thank you, seriously.
1:25:17[applause]
1:25:23But, uh, you, me, yeah, Stephen, did I get another Mac Pro?
1:25:28They gave me a computer the other night.
1:25:30I didn't get you anything. [laughter]
1:25:33He does an amazing amount of work to put these things together,
1:25:36and I'm very proud of him. Thank you for making this happen again.
1:25:40You bet.
1:25:42[Applause]
1:25:44We have a live show coming up in San Francisco in August.
1:25:51We do.
1:25:53So this year, believe it or not, Relay FM turns five years old.
1:25:57[Applause]
1:25:59Are you going to cry?
1:26:01[Applause]
1:26:03Myke's going to cry. Back up a second.
1:26:05Five years ago at WWDC is when we decided to do this thing.
1:26:08this thing. We've been talking about it. We talked to guys like Jason and some other people
1:26:15about our idea. And Myke came to Memphis after WWDC and we did the original sort of beginnings
1:26:21of the company at my house in Memphis five years ago. And if you had told us then where
1:26:28Relay would be now, we would not have believed you. And it's not because of us. As great
1:26:34as, as Myke is, and as great as Federico used to be, and, and all of our hosts,
1:26:40every talented person that's on Relay, none of that would matter if no one
1:26:46listened. And from the bottom of our collective heart at Relay FM, thank you
1:26:51for listening for the last five years. We won't, we literally would not be here
1:26:56without you. So thank you.
1:27:03I can't say anything.
1:27:04You're just crying?
1:27:05What am I going to be like in August?
1:27:07You're going to have to mop you off the stage.
1:27:10So we will be in San Francisco in August
1:27:13for our fifth anniversary show.
1:27:14We're going to have a lot of hosts there.
1:27:16So if you're in the area, we'd love to see you.
1:27:19But seriously, thank you so much for listening.
1:27:22Thank you for tuning into Connected every week.
1:27:24If you don't do that anymore, I understand.
1:27:29I can't.
1:27:30You can't listen anymore?
1:27:32Yeah. Thank you everybody. Have a wonderful rest of your week.
1:27:37We'll see you around San Jose. Thank you.
1:27:38[APPLAUSE]
1:27:41[ Applause ]