Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► [classical music]

00:00:02 ◼   ► [audience applauding]

00:00:09 ◼   ► - How is everybody's WWDC?

00:00:11 ◼   ► [audience cheering]

00:00:13 ◼   ► That's it, just like lukewarm.

00:00:15 ◼   ► Y'all are just tired at this point?

00:00:16 ◼   ► [audience laughing]

00:00:18 ◼   ► Well, thank you for coming.

00:00:19 ◼   ► This is our second live show since WWDC moved to San Jose.

00:00:24 ◼   ► We're glad to be back here in the Hammer Theater

00:00:26 ◼   ► with their awesome crew and amazing venue.

00:00:29 ◼   ► We've got a lot of stuff planned for you all tonight.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Someone asked me earlier how we're

00:00:32 ◼   ► going to fit all the topics into tonight's show,

00:00:35 ◼   ► and I answered them truthfully, we're

00:00:36 ◼   ► barely going to cover anything.

00:00:38 ◼   ► So a couple of-- or one quick announcement.

00:00:40 ◼   ► I know the robot voice told you to turn your phones off

00:00:43 ◼   ► or whatever, so here's the deal.

00:00:45 ◼   ► I need them to be muted, please.

00:00:47 ◼   ► But at the request of Federico Vatici,

00:00:49 ◼   ► have your phone handy because you

00:00:51 ◼   ► are going to need internet access during the show.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Unless you're unfortunately on Sprint or T-Mobile,

00:00:57 ◼   ► you should have LTE in the theater. Any Sprint people?

00:01:02 ◼   ► Really? Come on. But there is public Wi-Fi available as well.

00:01:05 ◼   ► But if you're on LTE, do that so we don't crush their access

00:01:08 ◼   ► points. This is where I get to introduce two of my favorite

00:01:12 ◼   ► people in the world. Guys that I've done this show with for

00:01:15 ◼   ► like 120 years, it feels like. Please welcome Federico Vittucci

00:01:20 ◼   ► and Myke Hurley. [Applause]

00:01:22 ◼   ► [Applause]

00:01:31 ◼   ► Wow. What up? Can you believe that these many people come here to hear three guys talk about the Mac Pro?

00:01:42 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:01:44 ◼   ► There should be a podcast about that. Yeah, that would be good. Like a good hour of discussion about it.

00:01:49 ◼   ► Yeah, we do that before we talk about that. Let's that that pans out because I happen to have one

00:01:55 ◼   ► We go

00:01:57 ◼   ► Very nice that trash is that a trash can no, that's like that's a computer. I had one it was a trash can

00:02:04 ◼   ► No, don't do that

00:02:07 ◼   ► Let me let me turn it on here there's a hand crank in the back. Give me a second

00:02:12 ◼   ► Okay, you can go in and get hand cranks on technology or all the rage these days

00:02:18 ◼   ► So

00:02:19 ◼   ► Hope there goes it's booting actually turning it on it kernel panicked when it booted earlier

00:02:24 ◼   ► So we'll see if this works. This is literally his show notes are on this

00:02:27 ◼   ► So we have to wait now. You really should have turned it on when you came on

00:02:32 ◼   ► You know, you could have used the real computer, right?

00:02:34 ◼   ► Yeah, we're gonna sit here. I love the computer of the future. I left my Newton at home

00:02:39 ◼   ► That really is the computer of the past now

00:02:42 ◼   ► But it's very sad. It's a sad setup.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Our show document says "Secret Federico Segment, Not the Surprise."

00:02:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:50 ◼   ► So, do you want to take it away?

00:02:54 ◼   ► Well, you know, last year we were here and I gave you all some details about this very beautiful location, the Hammer Theatre.

00:03:01 ◼   ► I remember.

00:03:02 ◼   ► And we talked about the name, Susan Hammer, previous mayor of San Jose, and I only mentioned in passing another person.

00:03:11 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:11 ◼   ► The person who gives the name to the place where, you know, developers among us have

00:03:18 ◼   ► been waiting in line for the bathroom all week.

00:03:20 ◼   ► Now I know you wanted pronunciation.

00:03:23 ◼   ► Tom McHenry.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Gives the name to the McHenry Convention Center.

00:03:28 ◼   ► And I would like to talk about him for five minutes, if possible.

00:03:31 ◼   ► For context.

00:03:32 ◼   ► Is he here?

00:03:33 ◼   ► He's not here.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:35 ◼   ► I can assure you that he's still alive.

00:03:36 ◼   ► He's very busy.

00:03:38 ◼   ► Right now?

00:03:39 ◼   ► - Until we get to the end of this pretty brief segment,

00:03:44 ◼   ► I will refer to him as Mr. Tom.

00:03:46 ◼   ► - Is there a reason?

00:03:48 ◼   ► - I want you to know that Mr. Tom is known for many things.

00:03:51 ◼   ► He's an author, he's a businessman,

00:03:56 ◼   ► and he was the former mayor of San Jose from 1983.

00:04:00 ◼   ► - Wasn't Susan Hammer a mayor as well?

00:04:01 ◼   ► - They had more than one.

00:04:02 ◼   ► - Did they name every building after mayors?

00:04:04 ◼   ► - Hold on, every mayor here gets a building.

00:04:05 ◼   ► - Is that Mayor Original Joe?

00:04:08 ◼   ► Is that Mayor Original Joe?

00:04:09 ◼   ► I'm not sure about that.

00:04:10 ◼   ► - Okay, we can find out next year, I guess.

00:04:12 ◼   ► - Tom McHenry served as the mayor of San Jose

00:04:14 ◼   ► from 1982 to 1991.

00:04:16 ◼   ► So I did some research around this,

00:04:18 ◼   ► and apparently he led the explosion of growth

00:04:22 ◼   ► of America's 10th largest city, San Jose.

00:04:27 ◼   ► So I double checked because the population of San Jose

00:04:30 ◼   ► apparently is one million people.

00:04:31 ◼   ► - Where are they? - Where are all these people?

00:04:33 ◼   ► - Where are they? (audience laughing)

00:04:34 ◼   ► Not downtown.

00:04:35 ◼   ► - They're definitely not here.

00:04:37 ◼   ► Apparently the Wikipedia data is up to date until last year.

00:04:40 ◼   ► So one--

00:04:41 ◼   ► But they all moved in the last year.

00:04:42 ◼   ► I have no idea.

00:04:44 ◼   ► The very famous website, the San Jose Mercury News--

00:04:47 ◼   ► we all know about the Mercury News, right?

00:04:49 ◼   ► Are they GDPR blocked?

00:04:51 ◼   ► Did you struggle with that?

00:04:52 ◼   ► Actually, I don't know.

00:04:53 ◼   ► I bet they are.

00:04:54 ◼   ► It's one of those websites.

00:04:55 ◼   ► They referred to McHenry as the most powerful person

00:04:59 ◼   ► in Silicon Valley once.

00:05:01 ◼   ► Forget about Steve Jobs.

00:05:02 ◼   ► That's not right, is it?

00:05:03 ◼   ► That's not right.

00:05:04 ◼   ► And according to the Metro Active website,

00:05:08 ◼   ► McHenry loved being the center of attention.

00:05:12 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:05:13 ◼   ► I don't know anybody like that.

00:05:14 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:05:15 ◼   ► - McHenry had very peculiar...

00:05:18 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:05:21 ◼   ► - He's talking about you.

00:05:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I got that.

00:05:26 ◼   ► That's the joke, I got that.

00:05:27 ◼   ► - Okay, good.

00:05:28 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:05:29 ◼   ► - McHenry had very...

00:05:31 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:05:32 ◼   ► McHenry had very peculiar music taste.

00:05:37 ◼   ► - How do you know this?

00:05:38 ◼   ► - He really liked, I did my research.

00:05:40 ◼   ► With my real computer, not that.

00:05:41 ◼   ► - Did you go to his house?

00:05:42 ◼   ► - No, he liked the Eagles and U2,

00:05:46 ◼   ► so he's basically got the same taste as Tim Cook, essentially.

00:05:50 ◼   ► - I think John Siracusa as well.

00:05:52 ◼   ► - Hold on, McHenry wrote a couple of books.

00:05:56 ◼   ► And so I went to read his interviews about these books.

00:05:59 ◼   ► - I thought you said he read the books.

00:06:00 ◼   ► - No, no, no.

00:06:01 ◼   ► - Can you imagine that?

00:06:03 ◼   ► And he said, and this makes me feel very bad,

00:06:08 ◼   ► - All right.

00:06:08 ◼   ► - That he sold hundreds of copies.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:06:13 ◼   ► - Wait, where did he say that?

00:06:15 ◼   ► - In an interview.

00:06:16 ◼   ► - Why would you say that?

00:06:16 ◼   ► - He was so proud of it, but he said,

00:06:19 ◼   ► he said he wished he had applied more.

00:06:21 ◼   ► Yeah, he used to be a bartender.

00:06:26 ◼   ► - Was this after the book sales?

00:06:28 ◼   ► - I don't know, I think in his youth.

00:06:30 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:31 ◼   ► And I'm quoting here.

00:06:33 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:33 ◼   ► A lot of people said they weren't sure I would be a good mayor, but they want to

00:06:38 ◼   ► get me out of bartending because it wasn't any good.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Um, why did they name the convention?

00:06:47 ◼   ► McHenry also was a radio host.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:50 ◼   ► He was a podcaster, I guess, in a way.

00:06:52 ◼   ► And I hear that he actually came up, came up with the concept of follow-up.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Not somebody else.

00:07:01 ◼   ► Does that come from your research?

00:07:02 ◼   ► McHenry pioneered follow-up.

00:07:03 ◼   ► Wow, it does say it and it's documents, so it must be true, I suppose.

00:07:09 ◼   ► The thing about Tom is...

00:07:11 ◼   ► Is he lost the mister now?

00:07:13 ◼   ► The thing about Tom is the nicknames.

00:07:15 ◼   ► Oh, nicknames.

00:07:17 ◼   ► Last year I revealed how people used to refer to Tom as Big Mac.

00:07:22 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:07:23 ◼   ► Turns out he had more nicknames.

00:07:25 ◼   ► Little Mac.

00:07:26 ◼   ► But really the nicknames go way back in the McHenry bloodline.

00:07:29 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:31 ◼   ► - His grandfather.

00:07:32 ◼   ► [laughing]

00:07:34 ◼   ► - You do know this is a technology podcast.

00:07:37 ◼   ► - Hold on, I'm at the end.

00:07:38 ◼   ► - I'm not getting any of that.

00:07:39 ◼   ► - His grandfather, Ben Sellers.

00:07:42 ◼   ► - What?

00:07:43 ◼   ► - San Jose Councilman.

00:07:44 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:45 ◼   ► - Was known as Honest Ben.

00:07:47 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:48 ◼   ► - His father, John McHenry,

00:07:51 ◼   ► - This Honest.

00:07:52 ◼   ► - Was a member of the Truman administration.

00:07:54 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:54 ◼   ► - Was known as Big John.

00:07:56 ◼   ► - Big John.

00:07:57 ◼   ► - Big John.

00:07:58 ◼   ► big John energy to him. Stop it! The good old B.J.E. Stop! Tom McHenry was also known

00:08:12 ◼   ► as the Magster. The Magster? Oi. But others... Isn't that your nickname? We could go with

00:08:19 ◼   ► that, right? The Magster? Other people... No. Because after he... Of course he was succeeded

00:08:23 ◼   ► by Susan Hammer, but he kept talking about being a mayor and running again, and so he

00:08:30 ◼   ► kept showing up in these articles and these stories and these radio programs, and so the

00:08:34 ◼   ► other nickname that Tom McCarran had was "Timeless Tom".

00:08:38 ◼   ► Timeless Tom.

00:08:39 ◼   ► And so that's my research.

00:08:42 ◼   ► Thank you so much.

00:08:43 ◼   ► We're done.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:08:45 ◼   ► Is that a new catchphrase for you?

00:08:48 ◼   ► That's my research?

00:08:49 ◼   ► You should go with that.

00:08:50 ◼   ► That should be a...

00:08:51 ◼   ► Like a jingle.

00:08:52 ◼   ► That's my research.

00:08:53 ◼   ► There we go.

00:08:55 ◼   ► So--

00:08:56 ◼   ► Do we have an actual show?

00:08:57 ◼   ► Follow up?

00:08:58 ◼   ► Big Tom?

00:08:59 ◼   ► Big Tom's-- what was it?

00:09:00 ◼   ► Wait, what was his name?

00:09:00 ◼   ► Big John.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Big John.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Timeless Tom's--

00:09:02 ◼   ► Timeless Tom.

00:09:02 ◼   ► Timeless Tom's topic, other than that it's known as follow up.

00:09:05 ◼   ► Steven, how was your first keynote experience?

00:09:07 ◼   ► Congratulations.

00:09:08 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:09:08 ◼   ► It was awesome.

00:09:09 ◼   ► Yep.

00:09:09 ◼   ► I got an invite the week before.

00:09:12 ◼   ► These guys know this.

00:09:13 ◼   ► I thought it was a phishing attempt.

00:09:15 ◼   ► So I copied the link and opened it in a private tab.

00:09:19 ◼   ► I swear to you, this is true.

00:09:20 ◼   ► And then checked the security certificate.

00:09:22 ◼   ► I was like, I'm gonna enter my Apple ID

00:09:24 ◼   ► and then Russia's gonna have it.

00:09:25 ◼   ► And you don't want that.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Not picking on Russia specifically, it's just--

00:09:30 ◼   ► - No, you are. - I am.

00:09:31 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:09:33 ◼   ► No, it really was amazing.

00:09:34 ◼   ► I've watched these things,

00:09:36 ◼   ► I've paid attention to them before you could watch.

00:09:37 ◼   ► Remember the days like you're refreshing like Engadget

00:09:40 ◼   ► and like stories are coming in and the site goes down,

00:09:42 ◼   ► like what's happening?

00:09:44 ◼   ► It's all just happening in person now,

00:09:45 ◼   ► for me at least for this year.

00:09:47 ◼   ► And it really was incredible.

00:09:49 ◼   ► And I was joined by David Sparks who was here somewhere,

00:09:52 ◼   ► My coach, Samak Pareezer, is also his first time,

00:09:55 ◼   ► and it really was special.

00:09:57 ◼   ► It's something I'll remember for a long time.

00:09:59 ◼   ► - Now you get the fear for next year.

00:10:01 ◼   ► - I know.

00:10:02 ◼   ► I'm just gonna think, I'm just gonna close my email

00:10:04 ◼   ► for like the two weeks before WWDC.

00:10:07 ◼   ► - Don't do that.

00:10:08 ◼   ► - It's fine.

00:10:08 ◼   ► - We've got a business to run.

00:10:10 ◼   ► Don't do that.

00:10:11 ◼   ► - Whatever.

00:10:12 ◼   ► - He never checks his email anyway.

00:10:14 ◼   ► I am a smart battery case believer now.

00:10:16 ◼   ► - Oh, are you?

00:10:17 ◼   ► - Follow up to IFTF. - Really?

00:10:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's timely.

00:10:20 ◼   ► I figured during our WWDC episode,

00:10:21 ◼   ► I'll talk about smart battery case a little bit.

00:10:23 ◼   ► - Sure, why not?

00:10:24 ◼   ► - So during--

00:10:25 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:10:27 ◼   ► - It's a thick case.

00:10:29 ◼   ► - You got, yeah, it's very thick.

00:10:31 ◼   ► Steven changed his phone, so in the case of changing

00:10:37 ◼   ► his phone, had an extra battery case and he gave it to me,

00:10:39 ◼   ► and I've been using it.

00:10:40 ◼   ► - 'Cause I'm a good friend.

00:10:41 ◼   ► - Yep, I've been using it for the last few days.

00:10:43 ◼   ► - I took it out of your cut of the company profits that month.

00:10:46 ◼   ► - Okay, I can't get a pop socket to stick to it

00:10:49 ◼   ► because the phone is too heavy now.

00:10:51 ◼   ► That's my only downside.

00:10:52 ◼   ► - No, here's the thing.

00:10:53 ◼   ► You haven't tried hard enough to get it to stick.

00:10:55 ◼   ► - Okay, maybe I could superglue.

00:10:57 ◼   ► - I know how to weld.

00:10:58 ◼   ► - We could weld one.

00:10:59 ◼   ► - Is it safe to weld with like a battery two millimeter?

00:11:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that should be fine.

00:11:03 ◼   ► I don't like the fact that my phone's always charging

00:11:05 ◼   ► in my pocket though.

00:11:07 ◼   ► - Because of fire?

00:11:08 ◼   ► - Just, yeah, yeah, I don't like that.

00:11:11 ◼   ► - Are you just afraid of your pants combusting?

00:11:12 ◼   ► - I don't know why it has to always be charging.

00:11:15 ◼   ► Like whenever I look at it, it's charging.

00:11:17 ◼   ► - ABC, always be charging.

00:11:18 ◼   ► - Ah, that's the way it is.

00:11:19 ◼   ► All right, I'm done with follow up.

00:11:20 ◼   ► That was very on topic.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Yep.

00:11:23 ◼   ► WBC batteries, yeah.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Smart battery case.

00:11:25 ◼   ► Good job.

00:11:25 ◼   ► You just spoke about a mayor.

00:11:28 ◼   ► That gives the name to the convention center.

00:11:29 ◼   ► We're not in it!

00:11:30 ◼   ► Show some respect for the city.

00:11:32 ◼   ► Ugh.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Not just because you come from Europe, you can just come here and disrespect Americans.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Wait a second.

00:11:37 ◼   ► Actually, he's not going to be from Europe much longer.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Thanks so much everyone.

00:11:49 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:11:51 ◼   ► - Why would you do that?

00:11:52 ◼   ► - That was so good though.

00:11:53 ◼   ► - I needed to even out the Russia thing, so.

00:11:55 ◼   ► - That didn't do that.

00:11:56 ◼   ► - Follow out, follow out.

00:11:58 ◼   ► - What is follow out again?

00:12:00 ◼   ► - We have some follow out.

00:12:00 ◼   ► Follow out.

00:12:01 ◼   ► - It's created by Susan Hammer.

00:12:02 ◼   ► - Susan Hammer had this idea to talk about other things

00:12:05 ◼   ► before you talk about your own things.

00:12:07 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:12:07 ◼   ► - 'Cause that's just what we do here.

00:12:09 ◼   ► Now, so a couple of episodes of things

00:12:11 ◼   ► that you should check out.

00:12:13 ◼   ► - Why are you surfing on the web right now?

00:12:15 ◼   ► - I have to scroll.

00:12:16 ◼   ► - What are you doing?

00:12:17 ◼   ► On Upgrade episode 248, Jason and Myke spoke.

00:12:22 ◼   ► The afternoon of the keynote.

00:12:23 ◼   ► I always love this episode because you get sort of

00:12:26 ◼   ► the gut reactions and you find out how wrong you are

00:12:28 ◼   ► about everything later.

00:12:30 ◼   ► 'Cause when you're here, I mean you guys know this, right?

00:12:32 ◼   ► Like you see somebody--

00:12:33 ◼   ► - You're not doing a good job of like--

00:12:35 ◼   ► - It's a really good episode, you should listen to it.

00:12:37 ◼   ► - It's all wrong, but listen to it anyway.

00:12:39 ◼   ► - Jason, I can see Jason.

00:12:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I heard it a lot.

00:12:42 ◼   ► - He's very unhappy with me.

00:12:43 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:12:45 ◼   ► It's a great episode.

00:12:46 ◼   ► I also wanna point people to Mac Power Users episode 485,

00:12:50 ◼   ► where David and I interviewed

00:12:54 ◼   ► the Mac Pro product manager from Apple.

00:12:56 ◼   ► We sat down for about 45 minutes,

00:12:58 ◼   ► got some really interesting stories

00:13:00 ◼   ► about the Pro workflow team.

00:13:01 ◼   ► And my favorite tidbit from this,

00:13:03 ◼   ► the Mac Pro, which we're gonna talk about

00:13:06 ◼   ► basically for the rest of the time we have you here,

00:13:09 ◼   ► is designed to be like used--

00:13:11 ◼   ► - I just, everyone just left.

00:13:13 ◼   ► - I can't see, they could all be--

00:13:14 ◼   ► - They heard a lot of shuffling at that moment.

00:13:16 ◼   ► - It's designed to be used in the field

00:13:18 ◼   ► by real video professionals.

00:13:20 ◼   ► And so they said, well, what happens,

00:13:22 ◼   ► and it's got wheels on it, which is amazing.

00:13:24 ◼   ► What if someone like slides it down like the ramp

00:13:27 ◼   ► on the back of a truck?

00:13:28 ◼   ► You know what I'm talking about, on a moving truck,

00:13:29 ◼   ► they have like the corrugated metal ramp.

00:13:31 ◼   ► And so they wired a Mac Pro up with like vibration

00:13:34 ◼   ► and G-Shock sensors or whatever, and rolled it down a ramp.

00:13:38 ◼   ► - I don't think they needed to do that.

00:13:39 ◼   ► - But that's why it's a good computer,

00:13:41 ◼   ► because they didn't need to, but they did it anyways.

00:13:43 ◼   ► - Is that why it took two years?

00:13:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, maybe they had to rent a truck

00:13:45 ◼   ► 'cause I can't find one.

00:13:47 ◼   ► - Can you roll that down a truck?

00:13:50 ◼   ► - This would roll really well.

00:13:51 ◼   ► - Too well.

00:13:55 ◼   ► - Too well.

00:13:56 ◼   ► - You got, what you got going on?

00:13:57 ◼   ► - You got anything?

00:13:59 ◼   ► - So,

00:14:00 ◼   ► I, if I were you,

00:14:05 ◼   ► I would keep an eye on Mac stories tomorrow.

00:14:07 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:14:08 ◼   ► - Morning.

00:14:09 ◼   ► - Are you signing up for that interview that we did?

00:14:12 ◼   ► you speak to me? Is that Luan? Yes. Okay. Myke and I talk about... On my hotel room.

00:14:18 ◼   ► Yes. Yeah. Did you ever connect it without me? Nope. Mmm. So yeah, I'm just, you know,

00:14:24 ◼   ► something tomorrow. It would be of benefit to you all. Mm-hmm. I mean, your

00:14:29 ◼   ► homepage is all set to Mac stories right anyways. Yeah. Everybody does that.

00:14:33 ◼   ► Do you need to do anything now? No, just what I... Steven, can you open your notes

00:14:38 ◼   ► up please. And during the episode I will be asking Steven questions and everybody

00:14:43 ◼   ► else questions I guess and I would like you to just stay here. Where was I gonna

00:14:49 ◼   ► go? Quiet. Oh well that's difficult. Okay I have notes open I have a title called

00:14:55 ◼   ► Federico surprise which sounds like a website I don't want to visit. It sounds like a dessert.

00:15:00 ◼   ► Steven, what is the American city with the most ridiculous take on pizza?

00:15:08 ◼   ► What would you say? Am I saying what you would say? Easy. All of them. Take that

00:15:17 ◼   ► Tucson. There's one in particular. They call it pizza. I wrote it down. Do you

00:15:23 ◼   ► want to know what I wrote? Yes. So I wrote it down but I could have just told you.

00:15:27 ◼   ► Yeah, no, just tell me Chicago. Okay, okay

00:15:30 ◼   ► Hey, don't even try that's not pizza. Oh god. That's I don't want to turn our show into this

00:15:37 ◼   ► This is not what you're supposed to write down. I will tell you what to write down

00:15:41 ◼   ► What did we do in Chicago two years ago?

00:15:44 ◼   ► What did we do in Chicago two years ago? Mm-hmm like why we were there? Yeah

00:15:49 ◼   ► Hey, yeah, good job peanut gallery

00:15:54 ◼   ► No, just don't really done. I will tell you what to write down. We were there for release notes

00:15:57 ◼   ► Okay, and we did a live show we did. Mm-hmm. What story did I tell on that live show for the first time? I

00:16:04 ◼   ► Remember, I know okay, you can talk the B story. No that one and I was here the bakery story the Baker story

00:16:11 ◼   ► No, I call a person that works at a bakery a baker. Mm-hmm. But if you were to yes, but

00:16:19 ◼   ► Instead of a baker, how would you make it more cool with the baker, right?

00:16:26 ◼   ► Write that down.

00:16:27 ◼   ► The baker?

00:16:28 ◼   ► The baker.

00:16:29 ◼   ► We can move on.

00:16:30 ◼   ► Your surprise sucks.

00:16:31 ◼   ► Wait, your surprise is Chicago the baker?

00:16:35 ◼   ► Is that it?

00:16:36 ◼   ► Write down the baker.

00:16:37 ◼   ► Okay, I'll write it down.

00:16:38 ◼   ► And we can move on.

00:16:39 ◼   ► All right.

00:16:40 ◼   ► For now.

00:16:41 ◼   ► All right.

00:16:42 ◼   ► Talk to you in a bit.

00:16:43 ◼   ► Okay.

00:16:44 ◼   ► Wait, you are still on the show, right?

00:16:45 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:16:46 ◼   ► All right, cool.

00:16:47 ◼   ► our annual WWDC predictions.

00:16:51 ◼   ► We're gonna grade them this time.

00:16:52 ◼   ► And a reminder of the rules, we offer no half points.

00:16:57 ◼   ► We only offer full points at Connected.

00:17:01 ◼   ► We have a risky pick section.

00:17:03 ◼   ► - Ricky pick.

00:17:04 ◼   ► - Ricky picks.

00:17:05 ◼   ► That started as a typo and now it's the name of the segment.

00:17:07 ◼   ► - That's the name, Ricky's, the Ricky's.

00:17:09 ◼   ► - If you get a Ricky right, you get two points.

00:17:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:17:14 ◼   ► And if your Ricky is wrong, you lose a point.

00:17:16 ◼   ► I'm imagining characters now, Ricky Wright and Ricky Rong.

00:17:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:17:20 ◼   ► What do they look like?

00:17:21 ◼   ► - Ricky Rong is in like all leather and he has an earring.

00:17:23 ◼   ► - Oh, he's up from the bad side of the tracks.

00:17:27 ◼   ► - Bad boy Ricky.

00:17:28 ◼   ► - Oh, I like him.

00:17:29 ◼   ► - The other two hosts have to agree

00:17:32 ◼   ► that your pick was risky.

00:17:34 ◼   ► - Ricky.

00:17:35 ◼   ► - Ricky.

00:17:36 ◼   ► And we had an order set by the March event predictions.

00:17:40 ◼   ► - Which I won.

00:17:41 ◼   ► - Can you believe that all these people

00:17:42 ◼   ► came here to watch me win?

00:17:44 ◼   ► - Myke got to go first.

00:17:45 ◼   ► - There are prizes involved in this that are,

00:17:49 ◼   ► they are here.

00:17:50 ◼   ► - Where?

00:17:51 ◼   ► - You'll know soon enough.

00:17:53 ◼   ► So round one, Michael, you said dark mode for iOS.

00:17:58 ◼   ► - Got that one.

00:17:59 ◼   ► - Got a point.

00:18:00 ◼   ► - Yep, it looks good.

00:18:02 ◼   ► I haven't really seen it.

00:18:03 ◼   ► I've seen a little bit.

00:18:05 ◼   ► - It looks good semicolon, I haven't actually seen it.

00:18:07 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:18:08 ◼   ► I'm gonna revisit that.

00:18:09 ◼   ► - I like the way that the dock looks.

00:18:12 ◼   ► I like that kind of stuff.

00:18:13 ◼   ► - It's a good dark.

00:18:14 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:18:15 ◼   ► - It's a good talk.

00:18:16 ◼   ► Have you, wait, none of us are running the beta, right?

00:18:19 ◼   ► - No. - No.

00:18:20 ◼   ► - No. - No.

00:18:20 ◼   ► - It seems like it's been heavily advised against.

00:18:23 ◼   ► What is this, like some little warning?

00:18:25 ◼   ► - There's a warning that says,

00:18:26 ◼   ► attention for thrill seekers.

00:18:29 ◼   ► Please do not insult the beta.

00:18:32 ◼   ► - Please don't. - I highly recommend

00:18:33 ◼   ► that you-- - Please, the public beta.

00:18:34 ◼   ► - Okay. - Yeah.

00:18:35 ◼   ► - So I felt pretty good about that, that was an easy one.

00:18:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think it looks nice.

00:18:39 ◼   ► I played with it on an iPad,

00:18:41 ◼   ► and in between reboots and crashes, it looked great.

00:18:43 ◼   ► - And there's really a lot of work that went into it

00:18:45 ◼   ► like in terms of--

00:18:46 ◼   ► - The ultimate dock mode is a crash.

00:18:47 ◼   ► - That's true.

00:18:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:18:49 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:18:50 ◼   ► - I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I had to say that.

00:18:51 ◼   ► - No, that's a good joke.

00:18:52 ◼   ► - Okay, thank you.

00:18:53 ◼   ► - You did a good job there.

00:18:54 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:18:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:18:57 ◼   ► Do you have anything more on dock mode?

00:18:59 ◼   ► - No, I just wanted to say something serious,

00:19:01 ◼   ► but I kinda ruined it.

00:19:02 ◼   ► - All right, great.

00:19:03 ◼   ► - Moving on.

00:19:04 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:19:05 ◼   ► - I said that iOS 13 would change system requirements

00:19:08 ◼   ► dropping devices that were supported by iOS 12.

00:19:11 ◼   ► That is correct.

00:19:13 ◼   ► past Steven did not put what devices in his document,

00:19:16 ◼   ► but it changed. - We do not,

00:19:17 ◼   ► we do not prepare, correct.

00:19:18 ◼   ► - So Peanut Gallery, what got dropped in iOS 12?

00:19:20 ◼   ► - I've been six, six plus.

00:19:22 ◼   ► - Underscore squeaked out, five plus.

00:19:24 ◼   ► Six, six plus.

00:19:27 ◼   ► - I think Underscore's been pottyin'.

00:19:29 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

00:19:30 ◼   ► - And iPad mini two, three, and the original iPad Air.

00:19:35 ◼   ► - So basically like all of the stuff that they updated,

00:19:37 ◼   ► which we were surprised about.

00:19:39 ◼   ► - So that's A7, A8 in there.

00:19:42 ◼   ► - So they're gone. - They're all gone.

00:19:43 ◼   ► - Bye bye. - So point for me.

00:19:44 ◼   ► - Congratulations. - Good job.

00:19:46 ◼   ► - And you got? - New Animoji.

00:19:48 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:19:49 ◼   ► Did you get any of the ones right

00:19:50 ◼   ► that you predicted there would be?

00:19:51 ◼   ► - What did I predict? - I don't know.

00:19:53 ◼   ► - We also didn't write those down.

00:19:53 ◼   ► - You think you said mouse and there is a mouse.

00:19:55 ◼   ► - There's a mouse. - Yeah.

00:19:56 ◼   ► - That's good. - So, and there's an octopus

00:19:59 ◼   ► and something else. - Cool.

00:20:02 ◼   ► - And something else that I-- - Is there a rat?

00:20:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, sure. - Cool.

00:20:06 ◼   ► - It's just a mouse but zoomed in.

00:20:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, and there's the new Memoji too,

00:20:10 ◼   ► which look, there's more, I like the AirPods, that's fun.

00:20:14 ◼   ► - The customization looks really fun.

00:20:16 ◼   ► I cannot wait to make a mic with blue hair and a lip ring.

00:20:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was really excited about,

00:20:21 ◼   ► 'cause what I thought Apple was showing me

00:20:23 ◼   ► is that I could literally replace regular emoji with me,

00:20:28 ◼   ► and you can't technically do that.

00:20:29 ◼   ► They have it so like in some apps,

00:20:32 ◼   ► the stickers that you create of yourself

00:20:34 ◼   ► show in the emoji keyboard,

00:20:36 ◼   ► but they just paste in as images,

00:20:38 ◼   ► which is the worst bait and switch of all time.

00:20:41 ◼   ► So mad, because they're like,

00:20:43 ◼   ► oh, it's in the emoji keyboard.

00:20:44 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's not emoji.

00:20:45 ◼   ► You can't just put anything in there.

00:20:46 ◼   ► - Right, and if you put them--

00:20:47 ◼   ► - Be like, oh, it's in the emoji keyboard.

00:20:48 ◼   ► - If you put, I played with it in the Notes app,

00:20:50 ◼   ► and the emoji are small and the stickers are enormous.

00:20:52 ◼   ► - Geez, fail, it's a failure.

00:20:54 ◼   ► - Are you the kind of person that puts stickers

00:20:57 ◼   ► as images in a note, Steven?

00:20:59 ◼   ► - No.

00:20:59 ◼   ► - Is that your attempt at being young?

00:21:02 ◼   ► And like, that's not where you're supposed to put stickers.

00:21:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're supposed to send them to your friends.

00:21:06 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:21:07 ◼   ► - He uses Bitmoji now, though.

00:21:07 ◼   ► Are you printing those stickers, Steven?

00:21:10 ◼   ► Like, do you put them in a note, and then you print the note?

00:21:14 ◼   ► And then you cut them?

00:21:16 ◼   ► I'm going to fax them to you after.

00:21:17 ◼   ► You're like, put it up on the wall, be like, oh, yeah, yeah,

00:21:20 ◼   ► yeah.

00:21:20 ◼   ► OK, round two.

00:21:21 ◼   ► So round one is a tie.

00:21:22 ◼   ► I have one.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:21:24 ◼   ► We all have one.

00:21:24 ◼   ► All the time.

00:21:25 ◼   ► That's what a tie means.

00:21:26 ◼   ► Even though I had the most correct one.

00:21:28 ◼   ► That's not--

00:21:29 ◼   ► So I am very happy, because my second pick

00:21:31 ◼   ► is my vindication for having lost the upgrade

00:21:34 ◼   ► draft on the same point.

00:21:35 ◼   ► But I was a little bit more vague with this one, so I got it.

00:21:38 ◼   ► Apple will mention Apple Arcade again during the keynote.

00:21:42 ◼   ► - Which they did with controller support

00:21:44 ◼   ► for Xbox and PlayStation, which is awesome.

00:21:46 ◼   ► - Which I'm so happy about.

00:21:48 ◼   ► - And it's in the beta, it's on iOS.

00:21:50 ◼   ► There was a tweet going around of someone playing

00:21:52 ◼   ► on an iPad with a PlayStation controller, it's awesome.

00:21:54 ◼   ► - I like that Apple have finally decided

00:21:56 ◼   ► to give up on the MFI controllers.

00:21:58 ◼   ► That's what they've done. - Yeah, it never took off.

00:21:59 ◼   ► What was the Steelcase one?

00:22:01 ◼   ► - Steel Nimbus series.

00:22:02 ◼   ► - I bought one, I used it once,

00:22:04 ◼   ► and now I think it's like holding up furniture in my house.

00:22:06 ◼   ► Like it's never been used again.

00:22:08 ◼   ► - Wait, not Pro Controller, right?

00:22:11 ◼   ► Why do they have Nintendo so bad?

00:22:12 ◼   ► - I don't know, I don't know.

00:22:13 ◼   ► - What's wrong with them?

00:22:14 ◼   ► - I don't know, I have no idea.

00:22:15 ◼   ► But I wonder, they mentioned the Xbox One S,

00:22:18 ◼   ► but I have an Xbox Elite Controller.

00:22:20 ◼   ► - I have an Xbox Elite Controller too.

00:22:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, because I'm a big boy.

00:22:22 ◼   ► - Because that's the kind of people we are, I guess.

00:22:24 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:22:25 ◼   ► - It's like $150, that controller.

00:22:26 ◼   ► - Will it work with all those switches and things?

00:22:27 ◼   ► - I don't know, well I guess we can't.

00:22:28 ◼   ► - Hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:22:30 ◼   ► - I use--

00:22:31 ◼   ► - No one cares about video games.

00:22:32 ◼   ► No, sorry.

00:22:33 ◼   ► - No, you don't care about video games here.

00:22:34 ◼   ► - I use them sometimes.

00:22:36 ◼   ► Well, I use like the trigger adjuster.

00:22:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, just turn your chair.

00:22:39 ◼   ► - It's way nicer to not have to pull the trigger

00:22:42 ◼   ► the whole way down.

00:22:43 ◼   ► And I also like that if I get bored,

00:22:44 ◼   ► I can just, 'cause it's all by magnets,

00:22:46 ◼   ► I can just take the joysticks off if I want to.

00:22:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:22:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:22:50 ◼   ► - We can go back to the show.

00:22:51 ◼   ► - We can carry on now.

00:22:53 ◼   ► - Sorry, Steven.

00:22:54 ◼   ► Sorry, Dad.

00:22:55 ◼   ► - My next pick.

00:22:56 ◼   ► - Sorry, Dad.

00:22:57 ◼   ► Sorry, Dad.

00:22:57 ◼   ► - Apple replaces at least one bundled Mac OS app

00:23:02 ◼   ► with a marzipan or now catalyst version?

00:23:04 ◼   ► - Well, you said marzipan.

00:23:06 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:23:09 ◼   ► - Oh!

00:23:10 ◼   ► - This is very debatable.

00:23:11 ◼   ► - As it's written, right?

00:23:14 ◼   ► He's making a real face.

00:23:15 ◼   ► All right, sorry, sorry, dad.

00:23:17 ◼   ► Sorry, what app?

00:23:18 ◼   ► What app did they replace?

00:23:20 ◼   ► Reminders, right?

00:23:22 ◼   ► - Wait.

00:23:23 ◼   ► - Reminders is, I believe, replaced.

00:23:25 ◼   ► - Podcast. - Podcast was not an app before,

00:23:28 ◼   ► so you can replace something that doesn't exist.

00:23:30 ◼   ► There is evidence that Messages has been redone, but they didn't mention it.

00:23:33 ◼   ► Okay.

00:23:34 ◼   ► We're gonna call it a point.

00:23:35 ◼   ► And we're gonna call it a point.

00:23:36 ◼   ► Are we?

00:23:37 ◼   ► Are we?

00:23:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I think we're gonna...

00:23:39 ◼   ► Can you replace something that doesn't exist?

00:23:41 ◼   ► Do we want to have this conversation?

00:23:43 ◼   ► When we get to your Ricky?

00:23:44 ◼   ► How picky do you want to get on the Ricky?

00:23:46 ◼   ► Oh, you're right, fine.

00:23:47 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:23:49 ◼   ► Federico...

00:23:50 ◼   ► I'm the victim here.

00:23:50 ◼   ► Federico over there.

00:23:52 ◼   ► conspiracy going on.

00:23:53 ◼   ► Even on stage.

00:23:54 ◼   ► Federico nailed the next one.

00:23:56 ◼   ► iOS gets expanded font support.

00:23:59 ◼   ► This is actually really cool.

00:24:01 ◼   ► It's gonna be through the App Store.

00:24:02 ◼   ► - You didn't think that.

00:24:04 ◼   ► There's no open API.

00:24:05 ◼   ► Is there an open API for a font picker?

00:24:07 ◼   ► - The App Store people didn't think that.

00:24:09 ◼   ► - It's kind of interesting that they're selling them, right?

00:24:12 ◼   ► - So after we did this episode,

00:24:14 ◼   ► I really thought about how would you get them on,

00:24:16 ◼   ► and the store was the only obvious answer to me.

00:24:18 ◼   ► They don't want you dragging in a true type font

00:24:20 ◼   ► from Dropbox.

00:24:21 ◼   ► - I think there's gonna be a screen settings though

00:24:23 ◼   ► that lets you preview those fonts.

00:24:25 ◼   ► - Do you think?

00:24:27 ◼   ► - Do you know?

00:24:27 ◼   ► or do you have a strong idea?

00:24:31 ◼   ► - Is there a word in English for somewhere in between?

00:24:34 ◼   ► Those two types of feelings?

00:24:35 ◼   ► - What you just said.

00:24:36 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:24:37 ◼   ► - You said the English words, somewhere in between.

00:24:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, somewhere in between.

00:24:41 ◼   ► - Did it, good work.

00:24:43 ◼   ► Is there an English word for somewhere in between?

00:24:46 ◼   ► Did you think you were talking Italian?

00:24:48 ◼   ► - Like the Germans, like they have a single word

00:24:49 ◼   ► for everything.

00:24:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:24:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, like that.

00:24:52 ◼   ► - What was you saying Italian?

00:24:52 ◼   ► - I don't know, I don't know.

00:24:53 ◼   ► - What, you don't have somewhere in between in Italian?

00:24:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it doesn't, it's not, I don't know.

00:24:57 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:24:59 ◼   ► You could make up a word a no one would know.

00:25:01 ◼   ► Somebody will know. There's a few Italians here.

00:25:04 ◼   ► Is there any Italians here?

00:25:06 ◼   ► Good job.

00:25:07 ◼   ► Wait, one person said yes, they were a liar.

00:25:10 ◼   ► The other person said C.

00:25:12 ◼   ► They also may have been a liar, but they said it anyway.

00:25:16 ◼   ► I got this. There's an API for apps,

00:25:19 ◼   ► so that if you have a font, you can offer that font to the system.

00:25:23 ◼   ► - Oh. - As a font picker.

00:25:24 ◼   ► - Oh, like you were saying, like Photoshop, right?

00:25:27 ◼   ► Were you saying that?

00:25:28 ◼   ► No, Jason said that. - Or something like,

00:25:29 ◼   ► IA Writer has their own bundled fonts.

00:25:31 ◼   ► You're saying they could offer those

00:25:32 ◼   ► to other apps in the system?

00:25:34 ◼   ► That's awesome. - That's a good thing.

00:25:35 ◼   ► That might be a way to get, like--

00:25:36 ◼   ► - Can preview those fonts.

00:25:38 ◼   ► - Huh. - So.

00:25:39 ◼   ► - Huh, okay. - Cool.

00:25:40 ◼   ► - Great.

00:25:41 ◼   ► - That's all good news.

00:25:42 ◼   ► So at the end of round two, we are tied.

00:25:45 ◼   ► Very interesting.

00:25:48 ◼   ► Anything else with fonts?

00:25:50 ◼   ► - No, I mean-- - Had to wait

00:25:51 ◼   ► For the tab to load for the ad read.

00:25:53 ◼   ► It takes a long time.

00:25:54 ◼   ► There's a new Apple font, which is interesting, I guess.

00:25:56 ◼   ► What is it?

00:25:56 ◼   ► Apple New York.

00:25:58 ◼   ► Really?

00:25:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:25:59 ◼   ► It's a Serif font.

00:26:01 ◼   ► I haven't installed it yet, but it's on the developer website.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:26:05 ◼   ► Yes, they're going to do the whole-- maybe they'll

00:26:06 ◼   ► do Apple San Jose at some point.

00:26:08 ◼   ► It'll be just one character.

00:26:09 ◼   ► Big.

00:26:09 ◼   ► It's just all big.

00:26:11 ◼   ► Because there's no one here?

00:26:12 ◼   ► It's just an ellipsis.

00:26:14 ◼   ► That's it.

00:26:15 ◼   ► And you can only use it during the day.

00:26:19 ◼   ► It closes down at nine.

00:26:21 ◼   ► After 9 p.m. the phone just stops.

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00:28:23 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:28:27 ◼   ► - Let's talk about the Ricky's.

00:28:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, let's talk about yours.

00:28:33 ◼   ► - Curse of Support for iOS.

00:28:35 ◼   ► - So this is one we should say that

00:28:38 ◼   ► in the beginning part of the week,

00:28:40 ◼   ► we thought Myke had missed this.

00:28:41 ◼   ► Because when you're here, news comes out over--

00:28:43 ◼   ► - It wasn't in the keynote or anything.

00:28:45 ◼   ► You know, like it wasn't on the work cloud.

00:28:48 ◼   ► It didn't exist.

00:28:48 ◼   ► - Right.

00:28:49 ◼   ► - You know, Federighi didn't use a mouse

00:28:50 ◼   ► with a shaky hand.

00:28:51 ◼   ► We didn't know it was here,

00:28:53 ◼   ► but it came out that indeed iOS has cursor support.

00:28:56 ◼   ► - Mm, I know gave you the idea for that.

00:28:58 ◼   ► Pick.

00:28:59 ◼   ► - You.

00:29:00 ◼   ► - Mm.

00:29:01 ◼   ► - But you get it.

00:29:01 ◼   ► - So you get it.

00:29:02 ◼   ► - It's also my point.

00:29:03 ◼   ► - But you get it.

00:29:04 ◼   ► - That's not how this works.

00:29:05 ◼   ► - But you get the idea.

00:29:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:29:06 ◼   ► - So how does it work?

00:29:07 ◼   ► How does it work in iOS 13?

00:29:08 ◼   ► - Bluetooth, which I was pretty surprised about.

00:29:11 ◼   ► I kind of always figured it would be USB only,

00:29:13 ◼   ► but it also--

00:29:14 ◼   ► - I think we said there may also be Bluetooth,

00:29:17 ◼   ► and it turns out yes.

00:29:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I just figured it was less likely, right?

00:29:21 ◼   ► Because it is an accessibility feature,

00:29:22 ◼   ► so you have to enable it in accessibility settings.

00:29:25 ◼   ► - So you gotta go in AssistiveTouch,

00:29:26 ◼   ► enable pointing devices,

00:29:27 ◼   ► and when you have AssistiveTouch turned on

00:29:29 ◼   ► and you connect a trackpad or a mouse,

00:29:31 ◼   ► the little AssistiveTouch thing will become a cursor.

00:29:35 ◼   ► - But there's, so that's amazing.

00:29:37 ◼   ► I'm very excited about that.

00:29:38 ◼   ► I'm very excited about putting my iPad in a stand,

00:29:41 ◼   ► which I do all the time,

00:29:42 ◼   ► and now instead of reaching out with my Apple Pencil

00:29:45 ◼   ► to tap things, I can use a mouse, I can use a keyboard,

00:29:47 ◼   ► and it's great.

00:29:47 ◼   ► And I love to be able to do that stuff

00:29:50 ◼   ► with my preferred operating system, right?

00:29:52 ◼   ► Like I use my Mac that way and it's great,

00:29:53 ◼   ► and it's great for ergonomics.

00:29:54 ◼   ► Sometimes my iPad is not so good for ergonomics

00:29:57 ◼   ► when I don't wanna use it in a laptop form factor.

00:29:59 ◼   ► I wanna be able to use my preferred operating system

00:30:01 ◼   ► in many different setups so I can always be comfortable.

00:30:05 ◼   ► - Federico, do you think this is something

00:30:06 ◼   ► that will become like pretty,

00:30:09 ◼   ► like some accessibility features get used by lots of people

00:30:11 ◼   ► because it tweaks something about the system

00:30:14 ◼   ► that a lot of people think should be the default.

00:30:15 ◼   ► Do you see this falling into that category where people who don't necessarily need it

00:30:20 ◼   ► for an accessibility point of view will use it because it makes iOS more useful or faster

00:30:25 ◼   ► or something?

00:30:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:27 ◼   ► I think Apple was sort of caught by surprise by the response to this, and they like to

00:30:31 ◼   ► remind us that it's an accessibility feature, that it was not designed to be over bringing

00:30:36 ◼   ► mice and trackpads to the iPad.

00:30:38 ◼   ► But I think it's the kind of feature that will be used by folks who don't necessarily

00:30:42 ◼   ► need it, maybe for the primary reason why it was designed.

00:30:45 ◼   ► I think it is the right thing to do to introduce this as an accessibility feature,

00:30:48 ◼   ► so it doesn't completely break the idea of touch devices too soon,

00:30:53 ◼   ► that they can stage it out a little bit.

00:30:55 ◼   ► But there is something additionally interesting with this.

00:30:58 ◼   ► You can program mice buttons to do things.

00:31:01 ◼   ► So obviously you want the left click to be tap, wild otherwise,

00:31:06 ◼   ► but you can have the right click bring up the dock,

00:31:09 ◼   ► or you can use the scroll wheel to go back to the home screen.

00:31:12 ◼   ► and you can actually assign buttons to running shortcuts in iOS 13 and iPadOS.

00:31:19 ◼   ► Is anybody from shortcuts here?

00:31:21 ◼   ► [cheers and applause]

00:31:27 ◼   ► We love you.

00:31:28 ◼   ► Yes.

00:31:29 ◼   ► But that is incredibly exciting.

00:31:31 ◼   ► So if you have, what kind of shortcut do you run?

00:31:34 ◼   ► Maybe to start time tracking, you could right-click,

00:31:37 ◼   ► and it would just automatically fire your time tracking shortcut.

00:31:40 ◼   ► We have stuff more that we want to talk about

00:31:42 ◼   ► with Shortcuts later on, but that is just like,

00:31:45 ◼   ► I love that feature, nobody needed to do that,

00:31:48 ◼   ► but I'm so happy they did.

00:31:49 ◼   ► So I'm really excited to play around with that.

00:31:51 ◼   ► - So you got this point.

00:31:52 ◼   ► - I really got that point.

00:31:54 ◼   ► - You got your two points, it's a Ricky.

00:31:56 ◼   ► - So I am. - Two points.

00:31:57 ◼   ► - Four point mark score, I'm the winner, right?

00:31:59 ◼   ► It was first to four points?

00:32:01 ◼   ► That was-- - No.

00:32:02 ◼   ► - Oh, all right, well, I got all my points.

00:32:04 ◼   ► - My risky pick was one-- - Ricky.

00:32:07 ◼   ► - Ricky. - Ricky.

00:32:10 ◼   ► - Time for dinner.

00:32:11 ◼   ► That sounded so strange.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Ricky.

00:32:14 ◼   ► - Sometimes when we do these predictions--

00:32:16 ◼   ► - Somebody who's called Ricky is listening right now

00:32:19 ◼   ► and they're like, "What?"

00:32:20 ◼   ► There is a Ricky in the audience and they're pointing out.

00:32:24 ◼   ► - Sometimes after we do these, we hang up the Skype call

00:32:26 ◼   ► and you just have a sense of dread

00:32:29 ◼   ► that you really blew it.

00:32:30 ◼   ► And this is where I was last Wednesday.

00:32:33 ◼   ► We hung up the Skype call, I get some lunch,

00:32:35 ◼   ► I'm editing the episode, I'm like,

00:32:37 ◼   ► "Pass Steven, you really messed this up."

00:32:40 ◼   ► Not so much that I would alter the integrity of the show

00:32:43 ◼   ► and change it, I didn't do that.

00:32:45 ◼   ► I didn't think about it.

00:32:47 ◼   ► Could I slip one in and they wouldn't notice?

00:32:48 ◼   ► - I really wish you would have done that.

00:32:50 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:32:51 ◼   ► - Mine was the HomePod would gain multiple user support

00:32:56 ◼   ► via voice detection.

00:32:57 ◼   ► - Well.

00:32:58 ◼   ► - You were chronologically the first person

00:33:01 ◼   ► to score your Ricky.

00:33:02 ◼   ► - It was very early on.

00:33:03 ◼   ► As soon as they mentioned the HomePod,

00:33:05 ◼   ► I thought, I've got this, because why else would they bring it up?

00:33:11 ◼   ► Because they sell like two a month, and they're still too expensive.

00:33:15 ◼   ► They sound great, it's fine, but like, as soon as they're like, "And we have something

00:33:18 ◼   ► for the HomePod," it was like a light from heaven came down on me in the keynote hall

00:33:24 ◼   ► and said, "Steven, my son, you are correct."

00:33:28 ◼   ► Is the HomePod your dad now?

00:33:30 ◼   ► Is that what that is?

00:33:32 ◼   ► I really liked when they when they show that off is that they had this image on the screen of like a home pod and

00:33:37 ◼   ► Like a bunch of people's legs like they were sitting around it and looking at it like they're all facing towards it

00:33:42 ◼   ► It's who does that like wow?

00:33:44 ◼   ► Center piece of your home. No, you know what I want to do. I want to sit down around the table and talk to Siri

00:33:50 ◼   ► Yeah, let's have a conversation all four of us

00:33:53 ◼   ► We'll add things to our calendars and it'll go in the right place is a doctor so good

00:33:58 ◼   ► Congratulations, it's a shock to all of us

00:34:01 ◼   ► but I too have a perfect score. Mm-hmm good job.

00:34:07 ◼   ► Ederiko. Yes. Would you like to go through your pick? My Reiki was Apple will

00:34:12 ◼   ► bring back some kind of... Some kind? Yes. I just like the emphasis, I enjoyed the

00:34:18 ◼   ► emphasis. Thank you. Of app quotes, app list slash launcher UI. It is in quotes in our

00:34:26 ◼   ► document. UI element on iPad. Okay. Now I know why you think this is debatable so

00:34:31 ◼   ► So I'm going to make my case for why.

00:34:35 ◼   ► You can have multiple apps in SlideOver.

00:34:37 ◼   ► And when you want to choose between them,

00:34:40 ◼   ► there's an app picker just for those apps.

00:34:43 ◼   ► You mean like the multitasking view, right?

00:34:44 ◼   ► Is that what you're talking about?

00:34:45 ◼   ► Yes.

00:34:45 ◼   ► It looks like that.

00:34:46 ◼   ► There's always also in SlideOver,

00:34:50 ◼   ► if you want to put in SlideOver an app that

00:34:52 ◼   ► has multiple windows--

00:34:53 ◼   ► and I sent you screenshots for this--

00:34:55 ◼   ► there's a vertical element that shows you

00:34:57 ◼   ► all those windows on the side.

00:35:00 ◼   ► Same for Split View.

00:35:01 ◼   ► If you want to put an app that has multiple windows

00:35:03 ◼   ► in Split View, there's a new UI for those windows

00:35:07 ◼   ► on the right side.

00:35:09 ◼   ► So it may not exactly be what I had in mind,

00:35:13 ◼   ► but it's three things.

00:35:15 ◼   ► So really, if you do the math, three sort of,

00:35:19 ◼   ► it's like one yes.

00:35:21 ◼   ► - Wait, no, wait.

00:35:24 ◼   ► What is that math?

00:35:26 ◼   ► - If you don't give me this point,

00:35:28 ◼   ► I will call the police.

00:35:30 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:35:36 ◼   ► So I think—I don't want that to happen, first of all.

00:35:39 ◼   ► I would like to report a conspiracy.

00:35:41 ◼   ► I think the language that saved you is some kind.

00:35:46 ◼   ► And in hindsight, I think we should have put it in.

00:35:48 ◼   ► I think we should have put it in, to be more specific.

00:35:50 ◼   ► And we shouldn't have let him use the quotation marks.

00:35:52 ◼   ► Don't—you actually don't—don't do that!

00:35:54 ◼   ► Give me the point.

00:35:55 ◼   ► He actually typed it in.

00:35:58 ◼   ► That's a terrible idea.

00:36:00 ◼   ► No, we're not doing it because of this, because I'm not letting you set that precedent that

00:36:04 ◼   ► every time you want something, try and call the police for it.

00:36:07 ◼   ► Do it!

00:36:08 ◼   ► No, we will not have that in our household.

00:36:10 ◼   ► You will not do this.

00:36:12 ◼   ► We're going to give you the point.

00:36:13 ◼   ► You are not my father, he is.

00:36:20 ◼   ► We won't, look, just please.

00:36:22 ◼   ► Look at it.

00:36:24 ◼   ► Please just delete the numbers from your phone.

00:36:26 ◼   ► We're going to give you the point.

00:36:28 ◼   ► got nothing to do with oh my god he nearly pressed it yeah sheesh I think I

00:36:32 ◼   ► think these some kind of I think it saved you and that's really on us we

00:36:37 ◼   ► should have made you be more specific and you will not get away with this

00:36:40 ◼   ► again young man we've all so well we had trophies what a victory give to well

00:36:48 ◼   ► winners and we have roadies we had prizes prizes things thanks we had

00:36:54 ◼   ► - There are things to give to the winners.

00:36:56 ◼   ► We have a three-way tie.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - But we need to come back to this.

00:37:01 ◼   ► We're just gonna leave that hanging

00:37:02 ◼   ► because we have some non-graded picks we need to deal with.

00:37:07 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, okay.

00:37:09 ◼   ► - So we, non-graded is sort of a misnomer.

00:37:13 ◼   ► - Because now we're grading it.

00:37:14 ◼   ► - Because now we're grading it.

00:37:15 ◼   ► So the new rule is that the loser has to buy drinks.

00:37:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:37:19 ◼   ► - And so these picks were supposed to be non-graded

00:37:22 ◼   ► but now they're graded because Federico

00:37:24 ◼   ► - You have to bet on everything.

00:37:25 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:37:26 ◼   ► - Apple does some new stuff of Animoji

00:37:28 ◼   ► to make it more like Bitmoji.

00:37:30 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:37:31 ◼   ► - Some new stuff.

00:37:33 ◼   ► - That's how you got your Ricky.

00:37:34 ◼   ► - I'm gonna call the police.

00:37:36 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:37:39 ◼   ► - So here's the thing about my non-graded picks.

00:37:42 ◼   ► I pick the same things every time,

00:37:44 ◼   ► 'cause at some point I'll be right.

00:37:46 ◼   ► That did not happen to me this year.

00:37:48 ◼   ► I said that MailApp would get modern features like snoozing.

00:37:52 ◼   ► - It didn't get anything, did it?

00:37:53 ◼   ► No, it got something. What did it get? You can drag the composer around, make a new window, and...

00:37:57 ◼   ► That's not...

00:37:58 ◼   ► So it got what iOS 13 brings.

00:37:59 ◼   ► That's not what we're thinking of. I think Dan Morin told me it gets multiple colored flags now.

00:38:05 ◼   ► [audience cheers]

00:38:06 ◼   ► Oh, so this is...

00:38:06 ◼   ► No, that's not what we're gonna be excited about!

00:38:08 ◼   ► -Matter feature! -You have a rich text composer.

00:38:10 ◼   ► No, it's like an old thing. It's just already on the Mac. It only exists on the Mac. So...

00:38:14 ◼   ► You can mute threads.

00:38:16 ◼   ► Muting threads is not what we were thinking of.

00:38:18 ◼   ► That's not...

00:38:19 ◼   ► Hey, look, it's not graded anyways. Can I please just have it?

00:38:21 ◼   ► Wait. Yes.

00:38:23 ◼   ► - I still lose. - Yeah, 'cause you'll still lose.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Who can give it to me? I still lose.

00:38:26 ◼   ► - Yeah. - It's fine.

00:38:26 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:38:27 ◼   ► - So I get a half point, which we don't award,

00:38:30 ◼   ► to a non-graded pick, which we don't grade.

00:38:32 ◼   ► - That's how it works, yeah.

00:38:33 ◼   ► You got a half point for this.

00:38:34 ◼   ► - All right.

00:38:35 ◼   ► Federico, what was your next one?

00:38:37 ◼   ► - There will be changes.

00:38:38 ◼   ► See how precise and surgical I can be?

00:38:41 ◼   ► There will be changes. - You can be.

00:38:43 ◼   ► Not on your Ricky, though.

00:38:44 ◼   ► - Do I need to unlock it again?

00:38:45 ◼   ► - Oh, God, please put your phone down.

00:38:47 ◼   ► - There will be changes to the...

00:38:49 ◼   ► Give me my phone.

00:38:50 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:38:51 ◼   ► - There will be changes to the drawing,

00:38:52 ◼   ► sketching interface used for screenshots, notes, et cetera.

00:38:57 ◼   ► Maybe it'll even be--

00:38:59 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:39:02 ◼   ► You just wasted my iCloud story.

00:39:04 ◼   ► Taking selfies.

00:39:06 ◼   ► I want money.

00:39:06 ◼   ► Changing your wallpaper.

00:39:08 ◼   ► Maybe it'll even be an API.

00:39:10 ◼   ► Texting your mom.

00:39:10 ◼   ► So I got Pencil Kit, and I got the new drawing interface

00:39:15 ◼   ► that you can drag around.

00:39:16 ◼   ► And this is an awesome deal, right?

00:39:18 ◼   ► Because we've all used drawing apps where their pencil support

00:39:21 ◼   ► lags behind, literally lags behind.

00:39:23 ◼   ► - Heyo! - Hey!

00:39:24 ◼   ► - I was talking to some developers

00:39:27 ◼   ► that they were just about to release

00:39:29 ◼   ► their own custom drawing interface before.

00:39:33 ◼   ► They were working on it.

00:39:34 ◼   ► - Hey, it's better to have it before, right?

00:39:37 ◼   ► Like then to finish it and ship it

00:39:38 ◼   ► and then have to change it, I guess, right?

00:39:41 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:39:41 ◼   ► - You can throw away some code and do it again.

00:39:43 ◼   ► - But it's exciting.

00:39:44 ◼   ► - It's very good.

00:39:45 ◼   ► - Do you get the sense that that will be something

00:39:47 ◼   ► that a lot of drawing apps,

00:39:48 ◼   ► like say the Paper app for instance,

00:39:50 ◼   ► who have invested a lot in their own drawing mechanisms.

00:39:55 ◼   ► Do you think they'll just swap it out

00:39:57 ◼   ► or you think it's gonna be like a slow process?

00:39:59 ◼   ► - I don't know, it's like--

00:40:00 ◼   ► - I feel like if you are an actual note-taking

00:40:03 ◼   ► or drawing-focused app,

00:40:04 ◼   ► you should be doing something in that world

00:40:08 ◼   ► that makes your app different.

00:40:10 ◼   ► I feel like this is something to add to apps

00:40:12 ◼   ► that would also like to have.

00:40:13 ◼   ► - I don't know how customizable it is, but--

00:40:15 ◼   ► - That's why, right?

00:40:16 ◼   ► - The Apple version does a lot that you get for free

00:40:20 ◼   ► and the performance is like, it's a lot of work.

00:40:22 ◼   ► - Right, but like, if you are Notability or Good Notes,

00:40:26 ◼   ► like your whole app is note taking, right?

00:40:28 ◼   ► Like you wanna have more features

00:40:31 ◼   ► and it's possibly more Apple provides.

00:40:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I guess, yeah.

00:40:34 ◼   ► - We'll see.

00:40:35 ◼   ► I would be surprised if we see like actual drawing apps.

00:40:39 ◼   ► - Good Notes or whatever.

00:40:40 ◼   ► - Or like Procreate, no Procreate,

00:40:42 ◼   ► but like something a bit more simple.

00:40:43 ◼   ► - Why is the last note not assigned to me?

00:40:45 ◼   ► - Huh?

00:40:47 ◼   ► - No, you got it.

00:40:47 ◼   ► - It's not green.

00:40:48 ◼   ► - Yes it is.

00:40:49 ◼   ► Google docs on the iPad is an ad.

00:40:51 ◼   ► Well, we'll come to-- what, framework?

00:40:53 ◼   ► It's not good for me.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Well, look, that's because it hasn't--

00:40:56 ◼   ► because you're not connected to the internet.

00:40:57 ◼   ► What do you want from me?

00:40:58 ◼   ► Next.

00:40:59 ◼   ► Myke.

00:41:00 ◼   ► Jeez.

00:41:01 ◼   ► You got a huge win for USB drive lovers everywhere.

00:41:04 ◼   ► External storage support on iOS.

00:41:06 ◼   ► Now, now, The Verge and Gadget and Federico and Jason Snell

00:41:11 ◼   ► won't complain about it anymore in their reviews.

00:41:13 ◼   ► That's kind of--

00:41:14 ◼   ► Is that stop talking?

00:41:15 ◼   ► I just want people to stop talking about it.

00:41:16 ◼   ► I just don't want people to talk about it anymore.

00:41:18 ◼   ► That's all.

00:41:19 ◼   ► I'm done with this.

00:41:20 ◼   ► Move on.

00:41:21 ◼   ► - You got the point for something that you don't want.

00:41:25 ◼   ► - What I wanted was to not have to hear

00:41:27 ◼   ► about this complaint.

00:41:28 ◼   ► - New rule, to get a point you should--

00:41:30 ◼   ► - No, that is not a new rule.

00:41:32 ◼   ► I am, no, my passion comes from the other way.

00:41:34 ◼   ► I just really don't wanna hear about it anymore.

00:41:36 ◼   ► That's my passion.

00:41:38 ◼   ► - You hater.

00:41:39 ◼   ► - I want to spend some time this fall

00:41:40 ◼   ► seeing how far I can push this.

00:41:43 ◼   ► I have a lot of zip discs laying around.

00:41:46 ◼   ► - And I'm just wondering if I can assemble

00:41:49 ◼   ► the right chain of dongles.

00:41:51 ◼   ► Can I take something out of my G3 tower

00:41:54 ◼   ► and put it on my iPad? - We're gonna have to go

00:41:55 ◼   ► to the old town of dongle town, old dongle town.

00:41:57 ◼   ► - Ye olde dongle town. - Ye olde dongle town.

00:41:59 ◼   ► - My next one is my annual-- - I told you not to do this.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - I know, but I really, if there's anyone listening

00:42:09 ◼   ► who has any power, this is all I want.

00:42:11 ◼   ► iOS 14 could be nothing but this and I would be happy.

00:42:14 ◼   ► - No, you wouldn't.

00:42:16 ◼   ► I'll use the Mac.

00:42:17 ◼   ► iCloud family photo sharing.

00:42:19 ◼   ► Let me paint you a picture.

00:42:21 ◼   ► Some people have other people in their lives.

00:42:24 ◼   ► - This is gonna take long.

00:42:25 ◼   ► - You read about the mayor for an hour.

00:42:27 ◼   ► Some people have people they care about in their lives

00:42:30 ◼   ► who they wanna share pictures with.

00:42:32 ◼   ► And you're doing it via iMessage or AirDrop.

00:42:35 ◼   ► This is just be an iCloud photo library.

00:42:37 ◼   ► We've talked about this forever.

00:42:38 ◼   ► Jason's talked about it.

00:42:40 ◼   ► I just, so much of iCloud family sharing stuff

00:42:43 ◼   ► is really kind of half baked.

00:42:46 ◼   ► but this is just missing entirely.

00:42:47 ◼   ► And it seems so obvious to me, especially this year.

00:42:51 ◼   ► And look, the new Photos app looks amazing.

00:42:53 ◼   ► All the stuff they're doing to surface old photos

00:42:56 ◼   ► and context-aware stuff, like if I'm searching

00:42:59 ◼   ► and hiding things, oh, that looks awesome.

00:43:01 ◼   ► But I still can't very simply share 30 photos

00:43:05 ◼   ► I took at my kid's birthday party with my spouse.

00:43:08 ◼   ► And that just seems like something Apple would be really into.

00:43:11 ◼   ► - Can you give me my phone back?

00:43:13 ◼   ► - Not yet.

00:43:14 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:43:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I don't particularly want that feature,

00:43:19 ◼   ► but I understand--

00:43:20 ◼   ► - You have someone in your life you care about?

00:43:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, but we don't wanna share all of our pictures

00:43:23 ◼   ► of each other.

00:43:24 ◼   ► - Not all of them, I mean, they need to be controlled,

00:43:25 ◼   ► but look at the way Google Photos does it,

00:43:28 ◼   ► and just do that.

00:43:28 ◼   ► - But isn't Google's thing like you do share everything?

00:43:31 ◼   ► - There's lots of options on like who's in the image and--

00:43:35 ◼   ► - I just don't really think I wanna do it.

00:43:38 ◼   ► - You just uncheck, anyway, some of us do want it.

00:43:40 ◼   ► Federico.

00:43:42 ◼   ► Improved support for zip archives in the files app and framework and of course you had to make the deep and open framework joke

00:43:49 ◼   ► Deep and open open for I got all of this you can compress files

00:43:53 ◼   ► You can unzip archives and it's all right there files app document browser. What's the framework?

00:43:57 ◼   ► What's the zip in framework?

00:44:00 ◼   ► Zip kit is there in the files app and framework?

00:44:05 ◼   ► the files framework

00:44:08 ◼   ► You can zip English you can zip in the files framework. Yes, and you

00:44:14 ◼   ► Can you zip and unzip in not outside of the files? I mean my phone you're not running out

00:44:19 ◼   ► No, you're not gonna take it cuz you when you say it like that with that look in your eye

00:44:25 ◼   ► I'm not gonna give it to you

00:44:27 ◼   ► Right cuz you look really angry and I can't see how that's gonna go well for anyone better

00:44:32 ◼   ► You go no fun. No phone time till bedtime tonight

00:44:34 ◼   ► so

00:44:36 ◼   ► The the non-graded picks didn't go well for me. Mm-hmm, and I believe I owe the two of you drinks. Yep

00:44:42 ◼   ► Yes, what all of you don't get excited? What is the fanciest bar in San Jose?

00:44:47 ◼   ► Work it out later on let's ask the mayor. So we do have a a tie

00:44:54 ◼   ► We have a three-way tie we need to fix that. I have a proposition

00:44:58 ◼   ► Okay, but before we get to the proposition

00:45:00 ◼   ► Let's thank our next sponsor. Oh, that's good. We're gonna leave these people in suspense is what we're doing

00:45:05 ◼   ► - Is it less suspenseful when I draw attention to that?

00:45:07 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Okay.

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00:45:38 ◼   ► Future Steven, fix this edit point.

00:45:40 ◼   ► - No, don't, leave it in.

00:45:41 ◼   ► - Well, now I said it.

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00:45:44 ◼   ► - Take out when you said fix it.

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00:46:14 ◼   ► - It's the same week?

00:46:15 ◼   ► You're referring to the week?

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00:49:25 ◼   ► - My thanks too.

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00:49:29 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:49:30 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:49:31 ◼   ► Okay, so we had said that if there was a tie,

00:49:36 ◼   ► we would do what we did last time and flip a coin.

00:49:39 ◼   ► Problem is, cannot get a three-sided coin.

00:49:42 ◼   ► - Well, I couldn't find one on Amazon Prime at least.

00:49:44 ◼   ► - Couldn't find a three-sided coin.

00:49:46 ◼   ► So I have two propositions to solve this.

00:49:50 ◼   ► There is the tournament, and the knockout.

00:49:53 ◼   ► - Can you explain the difference please?

00:49:54 ◼   ► - Yes, tournament version, you two, one on one,

00:49:59 ◼   ► then the winner goes against me.

00:50:01 ◼   ► - Wait a second.

00:50:02 ◼   ► - Why are you so special?

00:50:03 ◼   ► - Because I get advantage as the winner of the last one.

00:50:07 ◼   ► - You got your advantage by having the first pick

00:50:09 ◼   ► in all of those rounds.

00:50:10 ◼   ► Your advantage is over.

00:50:11 ◼   ► - All right, knockout version.

00:50:13 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:50:14 ◼   ► - We keep flipping until--

00:50:15 ◼   ► - Can we hit each other in this version?

00:50:16 ◼   ► - Keep flipping until there's one man standing.

00:50:18 ◼   ► - Ooh, that sounds good.

00:50:19 ◼   ► - We just keep flipping.

00:50:20 ◼   ► - Okay. - That sounds good.

00:50:21 ◼   ► - Could take 20 minutes.

00:50:23 ◼   ► - That sounds great. - Okay.

00:50:25 ◼   ► - I think we need a judge.

00:50:28 ◼   ► - An official adjudicator.

00:50:29 ◼   ► - I think we need some outside help,

00:50:30 ◼   ► so please welcome to the stage Jason Snell.

00:50:33 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:50:36 ◼   ► - Hi, Jason.

00:50:37 ◼   ► So we rehearsed this a little bit later on,

00:50:43 ◼   ► a little bit earlier on,

00:50:45 ◼   ► and we came to the harsh realization

00:50:47 ◼   ► that Jason Snell cannot flip a coin.

00:50:49 ◼   ► - Flip a coin.

00:50:50 ◼   ► Like, it is, I've never seen in my entire life,

00:50:54 ◼   ► somebody attempt to flip a coin in the many ways

00:50:57 ◼   ► that Jason attempted to flip a coin.

00:50:59 ◼   ► - It's like I've never seen a coin before.

00:51:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was, he--

00:51:03 ◼   ► - It was sad is what it was.

00:51:05 ◼   ► - Just kept throwing it up into the air

00:51:07 ◼   ► and he kept dropping it and then he couldn't pick it up.

00:51:09 ◼   ► It was like a whole thing.

00:51:11 ◼   ► - And this was the excellent, I think,

00:51:13 ◼   ► still on sale Relay FM Challenge coin.

00:51:15 ◼   ► - Yes, where can people go to get the Relay FM Challenge?

00:51:17 ◼   ► - And we learned something important

00:51:19 ◼   ► about the relay FM challenge coin when I finally did figure out how to flip it, which is I

00:51:24 ◼   ► flipped it 10 times and it came up heads all 10 times.

00:51:26 ◼   ► Yes.

00:51:27 ◼   ► Yes.

00:51:28 ◼   ► Now I could have used this information for evil.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Oh my God, that was so loud.

00:51:32 ◼   ► Don't make sounds like that.

00:51:35 ◼   ► That was really scary.

00:51:38 ◼   ► Give me the point, Jason.

00:51:40 ◼   ► I think we should talk more about US file access in iOS.

00:51:43 ◼   ► So we can't use the coin.

00:51:45 ◼   ► - So we've decided that Jason is going to ask Siri.

00:51:50 ◼   ► - Yes, yes.

00:51:50 ◼   ► 'Cause none of us can be trusted,

00:51:52 ◼   ► so we have to bring somebody else onto the stage

00:51:54 ◼   ► to ask Siri.

00:51:56 ◼   ► - So how this works is you're going to let each of us

00:52:00 ◼   ► select our heads or tails.

00:52:02 ◼   ► - Correct.

00:52:03 ◼   ► - And then you will ask Siri to flip a coin.

00:52:05 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:52:06 ◼   ► - And then Siri and I will eliminate at least one of you.

00:52:07 ◼   ► - So for instance, just so we're all clear,

00:52:11 ◼   ► if I say heads and Siri says tails, I'm out.

00:52:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:52:15 ◼   ► We can all say the same thing so we can all we could be here for hours

00:52:19 ◼   ► If you know we do have a contract saying we have to leave this could be the rest of the episode

00:52:23 ◼   ► That's fine. There's nothing else happened this. Yeah, we'll just keep doing it until we get to the end

00:52:26 ◼   ► Okay, so round one. I think we should go in the round-rubbing style. No, that's too it doesn't make a difference

00:52:32 ◼   ► 50/50 anyway, so I do it round one. I want to be Myke is going to get to go first because he had that slight advantage

00:52:38 ◼   ► I

00:52:39 ◼   ► Know it's hard and then Federico was going to go first. No, he was third. Well, it's

00:52:44 ◼   ► He's making up his arm rolls, he's gone rogue.

00:52:46 ◼   ► Myke, heads or tails?

00:52:47 ◼   ► Heads.

00:52:48 ◼   ► Federico?

00:52:49 ◼   ► Heads.

00:52:50 ◼   ► Tails.

00:52:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:52:52 ◼   ► Bold move.

00:52:53 ◼   ► Can you show me the version that you're running?

00:52:54 ◼   ► Is that official software?

00:52:56 ◼   ► It's not a beta.

00:52:57 ◼   ► Hey Siri, flip a coin.

00:52:59 ◼   ► It's tails.

00:53:03 ◼   ► Oh.

00:53:04 ◼   ► Oh.

00:53:05 ◼   ► First place.

00:53:08 ◼   ► I did it in one?

00:53:13 ◼   ► In one? I was hoping for a little bit more. First place, so now we have to choose who's...

00:53:17 ◼   ► Oh yeah, now we get to go, because now, who's second?

00:53:19 ◼   ► It's the battle for last now, yes.

00:53:21 ◼   ► Ah, I was really hoping it was gonna take longer than that.

00:53:23 ◼   ► So it's me against you?

00:53:25 ◼   ► It's me against you for second. I will not lose again.

00:53:28 ◼   ► Federico, heads or tails?

00:53:29 ◼   ► Heads.

00:53:31 ◼   ► You just say... You wanna say heads or you wanna go for tails?

00:53:33 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:53:35 ◼   ► What's the time?

00:53:37 ◼   ► Obviously we'll go with tails.

00:53:39 ◼   ► Hey Siri, flip a coin.

00:53:41 ◼   ► It's Tails.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Yes!

00:53:44 ◼   ► You lose, baby!

00:53:46 ◼   ► This is a travesty.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Yep, well.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Congratulations, Steven.

00:53:50 ◼   ► No toilet for me this year.

00:53:52 ◼   ► Jason Snell, everybody.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Official coin flipper of the connected podcast.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Myke?

00:53:59 ◼   ► Yep.

00:54:00 ◼   ► Steven, open the notes up.

00:54:02 ◼   ► Oh, here we go.

00:54:03 ◼   ► We have prizes.

00:54:04 ◼   ► Well, thanks.

00:54:05 ◼   ► We've got to go back to the surprise again.

00:54:07 ◼   ► Just a second.

00:54:08 ◼   ► Myke, which phone do you think the baker is?

00:54:10 ◼   ► think the baker uses?

00:54:12 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:54:14 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:54:16 ◼   ► An iPhone 6.

00:54:18 ◼   ► Okay, well it doesn't really matter.

00:54:20 ◼   ► I was just...

00:54:22 ◼   ► Oh, okay then.

00:54:24 ◼   ► Where do you think the baker likes

00:54:26 ◼   ► to share his photos

00:54:28 ◼   ► of his bread? Is this

00:54:30 ◼   ► for me? His baguette, his pizza.

00:54:32 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:54:34 ◼   ► It's not Rico.

00:54:36 ◼   ► WhatsApp? Like is it...

00:54:38 ◼   ► -Publicly. -Facebook. No? Is that a no or a yes?

00:54:42 ◼   ► -MySpace. -Google+

00:54:44 ◼   ► No, I mean, it's the obvious one, come on.

00:54:47 ◼   ► -Shwitter? -Pictures?

00:54:49 ◼   ► -Instagram. -Thank you, Steve.

00:54:51 ◼   ► I'm young, I know what Instagram is.

00:54:53 ◼   ► So, when people appreciate a photo on Instagram, what's it called?

00:55:01 ◼   ► They like it.

00:55:02 ◼   ► So, they give you...

00:55:04 ◼   ► -Likes. -Write down likes.

00:55:06 ◼   ► We're done.

00:55:08 ◼   ► [audience laughter]

00:55:10 ◼   ► What do you have so far?

00:55:12 ◼   ► Chicago. No, just the, that was not the Baker. The Baker likes. Cool. Thanks. Moving on.

00:55:18 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:55:23 ◼   ► I've never been more confused about anything in my life

00:55:26 ◼   ► than what you have done to this podcast. Is Chicago needed? No. Oh. He's probably dumb because he couldn't understand his own.

00:55:32 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:55:36 ◼   ► Have some awards to give out. Yeah

00:55:38 ◼   ► Steven reaches under the table always getting up now

00:55:42 ◼   ► This is still an audio podcast at heart. Oh, it's a big wooden box. Oh

00:55:47 ◼   ► My god is that who is this for?

00:55:51 ◼   ► It's impossible to tell it's a big wooden box and it says

00:55:55 ◼   ► Macintosh Plus on it on gold inlay. Yep, who is this first second or third? Did you buy a present for yourself? Did you and Jason?

00:56:04 ◼   ► collude

00:56:06 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:56:07 ◼   ► - Someone will have to write a report about that.

00:56:09 ◼   ► - What is this?

00:56:10 ◼   ► - In third place, we have Federico Vittucci.

00:56:15 ◼   ► And losing is a very stressful thing.

00:56:18 ◼   ► So you have a classic Macintosh stress ball.

00:56:21 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:56:22 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:56:23 ◼   ► - I would watch that before you use it.

00:56:25 ◼   ► - Oh no!

00:56:26 ◼   ► - No!

00:56:26 ◼   ► - Are you serious?

00:56:27 ◼   ► - Is that from that person that I looked up

00:56:29 ◼   ► and I found him in a voter registration database?

00:56:32 ◼   ► - Yes it is.

00:56:33 ◼   ► - Oh!

00:56:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I did a thing.

00:56:34 ◼   ► So basically, Steven sent us a photo.

00:56:36 ◼   ► Why'd you let me touch it?

00:56:39 ◼   ► It's kind of yellow and stained.

00:56:43 ◼   ► Just like an old Mac.

00:56:44 ◼   ► So Steven sent us a photo of-- when he bought this trophy--

00:56:49 ◼   ► he sent us a photo of this box.

00:56:51 ◼   ► And on this box was a label.

00:56:52 ◼   ► And on that label, so I zoomed into the picture,

00:56:55 ◼   ► and there was the name of somebody.

00:56:57 ◼   ► And so I looked it up, this person's name on Google.

00:57:00 ◼   ► And I found his address.

00:57:02 ◼   ► And he's a registered voter.

00:57:04 ◼   ► So he's a good US citizen.

00:57:06 ◼   ► And I kind of wanted to call him,

00:57:08 ◼   ► and I wanted to pretend that was Amazon or eBay, actually,

00:57:11 ◼   ► and be like, hey, I wanted to check on your--

00:57:13 ◼   ► there was a problem on your shipment.

00:57:16 ◼   ► And I wanted just making sure what was in the box.

00:57:19 ◼   ► But then I didn't do it.

00:57:20 ◼   ► I wanted to be surprised.

00:57:21 ◼   ► So thank you, Steven.

00:57:22 ◼   ► You're welcome.

00:57:24 ◼   ► Please don't let the dogs eat it.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Why is it called Smeka-Mek?

00:57:27 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:57:29 ◼   ► It's got a kiss on it.

00:57:31 ◼   ► I let John Syracuse borrow it earlier.

00:57:33 ◼   ► I don't know what happened.

00:57:35 ◼   ► What is second place?

00:57:36 ◼   ► Second place is better than third place.

00:57:41 ◼   ► And I feel like second place really contains

00:57:46 ◼   ► all the emotions of winning and losing.

00:57:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:57:50 ◼   ► - So second place gets this lovely box

00:57:53 ◼   ► and you think it's just a whole other prize then.

00:57:55 ◼   ► - Oh come on, this isn't fair.

00:57:56 ◼   ► - It is a floppy disk holder.

00:57:58 ◼   ► - I can't get this home.

00:58:00 ◼   ► This is clearly the third place.

00:58:02 ◼   ► I have now this huge wooden box to deal with.

00:58:05 ◼   ► - But think how many floppy disks you can store.

00:58:07 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:58:08 ◼   ► I can't get the little things back in.

00:58:09 ◼   ► - I feel like you were always gonna give yourself

00:58:12 ◼   ► what you wanted.

00:58:13 ◼   ► Because last year-- - I kinda wanted the box,

00:58:15 ◼   ► honestly. - Why don't you take it then?

00:58:17 ◼   ► - 'Cause it's the second place prize,

00:58:18 ◼   ► and I'm a winner. - I can't believe

00:58:19 ◼   ► that it was actually a conspiracy against Myke.

00:58:21 ◼   ► - After all this time. - All along.

00:58:23 ◼   ► - So you get a lovely, I think handcrafted box.

00:58:26 ◼   ► - You get it back. - Macintosh Plus

00:58:28 ◼   ► inlay on the top. - You get it back.

00:58:29 ◼   ► I'll take the dividers, you can have the box.

00:58:32 ◼   ► - I can't. - Congratulations.

00:58:33 ◼   ► - This will not go in my suitcase.

00:58:34 ◼   ► - I have a Mac Pro to get home.

00:58:36 ◼   ► - There is no way.

00:58:38 ◼   ► - You can do it.

00:58:39 ◼   ► The thing is, pack all your socks inside of it.

00:58:41 ◼   ► That's how I did it to get it here.

00:58:42 ◼   ► - That's actually a pretty good idea.

00:58:44 ◼   ► - All your pants.

00:58:45 ◼   ► - I don't know if my suitcase

00:58:46 ◼   ► is literally deep enough for this.

00:58:48 ◼   ► - You'll figure it out.

00:58:50 ◼   ► And first place, I thought should have something

00:58:54 ◼   ► to commemorate the news of WBC of the Mac

00:58:57 ◼   ► and the iPad coming closer together.

00:59:00 ◼   ► We have apps that can run on both.

00:59:01 ◼   ► We need an adjudicator for prizes next year. You can't be trusted to buy prizes anymore.

00:59:05 ◼   ► Jason Snell's agreeing with you, it's very troubling.

00:59:08 ◼   ► Because you can just buy whatever and assign it to yourself in whatever order you want.

00:59:12 ◼   ► So first place I thought should commemorate...

00:59:15 ◼   ► You just buy the things you like.

00:59:16 ◼   ► ...the things that happen at WDC. So this is a three-part gift.

00:59:19 ◼   ► It's a three-piece gift.

00:59:20 ◼   ► You gave yourself three gifts?

00:59:22 ◼   ► There are three of us!

00:59:24 ◼   ► It's a three-piece enamel pen set. One, I couldn't find an iPad so it's an E-Mate 300.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Exactly, and this is what you wanted it is a pen with Macintosh with the rainbow

00:59:35 ◼   ► I mean off what you would want and then a really nice gold pin uh-huh with the rainbow Apple logo on it isn't that strange?

00:59:41 ◼   ► I didn't know I was gonna win this frankly after after my

00:59:45 ◼   ► Home Pod pick I thought I was doomed

00:59:48 ◼   ► But here we are inspired against us the whole time

00:59:52 ◼   ► Yeah, prices did not go over well this year you and Jason Snell look at the size of this box

00:59:57 ◼   ► Last year you got a toilet trophy, but it was small

01:00:01 ◼   ► Thanks for prizes dad

01:00:05 ◼   ► Let's talk about the iPad mmm, okay, so about iPad OS it's pretty great. I got an OS so

01:00:14 ◼   ► That was a you didn't expect that did you know no no not at all

01:00:19 ◼   ► What I was actually the most surprised of anyone because I didn't know that it leaked out

01:00:23 ◼   ► I didn't see that because apparently it leaked like 10 minutes before and everyone on Twitter knew and I wasn't reading Twitter

01:00:29 ◼   ► Although I didn't see it. From a developer agreement

01:00:32 ◼   ► Yeah, like so I I like screamed when it happened. I was so excited. Mm-hmm

01:00:38 ◼   ► I would never have expected this. I don't I couldn't have imagined Apple ever doing it let alone doing it now

01:00:43 ◼   ► So I think it's fantastic. So Federico they forked iOS. So it is did they?

01:00:49 ◼   ► That's like question number one, right? Like what did they actually?

01:00:52 ◼   ► I don't know if they went to GitHub and hit fork or not,

01:00:55 ◼   ► but what it effectively means is the iPad

01:00:57 ◼   ► is getting features that the iPhone won't.

01:01:00 ◼   ► - But you can make the case that that was already happening.

01:01:03 ◼   ► - Oh sure, I mean look at multitasking, right?

01:01:06 ◼   ► That was never gonna come like crazy split screen business

01:01:08 ◼   ► to the iPhone, but to me at least,

01:01:10 ◼   ► it's not so much as a signifier of what's happened,

01:01:13 ◼   ► but what will happen in the future.

01:01:15 ◼   ► Because now, what happens at WBC where they talk about

01:01:19 ◼   ► TV OS and iOS and everything else and skip iPad OS.

01:01:22 ◼   ► That effectively happened last year.

01:01:24 ◼   ► It was like, oh, the iOS 11 stuff is fine.

01:01:27 ◼   ► Check back later.

01:01:29 ◼   ► Maybe that indicates a renewed commitment.

01:01:32 ◼   ► I think it does.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:33 ◼   ► And I've seen folks get really upset about it's just

01:01:37 ◼   ► a marketing name because they want to sell more iPads.

01:01:40 ◼   ► Like this weird connection between--

01:01:42 ◼   ► All names are marketing names when you think about it.

01:01:44 ◼   ► And they do want to sell more things if you think about it.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Sure.

01:01:47 ◼   ► But--

01:01:47 ◼   ► About all of it.

01:01:48 ◼   ► I feel like there's enough, like I like the idea of sending the message that it's

01:01:53 ◼   ► a unique enough platform that it deserves having its own name, but it's still at the

01:01:59 ◼   ► very foundation of course it's iOS.

01:02:01 ◼   ► And so I don't understand getting upset about the fact that it's iOS but this iPad

01:02:07 ◼   ► OS name is sort of fake and it's just for the show.

01:02:10 ◼   ► I feel like it's a good show.

01:02:12 ◼   ► It's a good show.

01:02:13 ◼   ► I watch that show.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Also, you get all these features, right?

01:02:17 ◼   ► Multi-window, split view, and drag and drop,

01:02:20 ◼   ► and the full-size keyboard,

01:02:22 ◼   ► all the things that the iPad has,

01:02:24 ◼   ► and I feel that justifies having a separate dedicated name.

01:02:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I think deserves the focus

01:02:32 ◼   ► that that name has to give it, right?

01:02:35 ◼   ► As you said, you can't say, "Oh, here's tvOS.

01:02:40 ◼   ► "We're gonna do this,"

01:02:41 ◼   ► and then just not talk about iPadOS.

01:02:43 ◼   ► There's five platforms now.

01:02:44 ◼   ► - It is a lot and that's something,

01:02:46 ◼   ► that's a topic I wanna get into later this summer

01:02:48 ◼   ► of like, it's a lot of stuff going on.

01:02:51 ◼   ► But as someone who, that has not my primary computer,

01:02:55 ◼   ► I like this news too because it shows

01:02:58 ◼   ► that they're willing to be bold

01:03:00 ◼   ► on what they're gonna do with the iPad.

01:03:02 ◼   ► It felt for a really long time,

01:03:03 ◼   ► I think it was true for a really long time

01:03:04 ◼   ► until the last couple releases,

01:03:06 ◼   ► that they had to play this balancing game

01:03:08 ◼   ► between the iPad and iPhone.

01:03:09 ◼   ► And I feel like Apple's kind of signifying,

01:03:11 ◼   ► you know, we can take those shackles off the iPad

01:03:13 ◼   ► And it can become what they really want it to be.

01:03:16 ◼   ► And that's really exciting, because that's good for the rest of the ecosystem as well.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Is there anything about iPadOS that you specifically want to touch on?

01:03:23 ◼   ► Like, what are the things that you are the most excited about?

01:03:26 ◼   ► Well, I think the multi-window stuff is really impressively done.

01:03:31 ◼   ► I want to see how it shakes out in terms of discoverability.

01:03:34 ◼   ► And this is something that was discussed on the talk show last night.

01:03:37 ◼   ► For example, the idea of you enable all these features.

01:03:40 ◼   ► you can have multiple windows for every app,

01:03:42 ◼   ► and you can put the same app in multiple spaces.

01:03:45 ◼   ► And you can have multiple apps or multiple windows

01:03:48 ◼   ► for the same app in SlideOver, and you

01:03:49 ◼   ► can cycle through them.

01:03:51 ◼   ► And it's really quite the system when you look at it.

01:03:54 ◼   ► And I think it enables so many new use cases in terms of not

01:03:59 ◼   ► just seeing two documents up on screen at the same time,

01:04:03 ◼   ► but really having multiple windows in different types

01:04:08 ◼   ► of windows, even-- so SlideOver, SplitView, Spaces--

01:04:10 ◼   ► and you have Exposé.

01:04:11 ◼   ► So I think it'll be really fascinating to see

01:04:13 ◼   ► how developers implement that.

01:04:16 ◼   ► Files, I was really surprised to see the extent

01:04:19 ◼   ► that they went with this upgrade.

01:04:22 ◼   ► And basically, I was going through my wish list again,

01:04:24 ◼   ► and essentially everything was addressed.

01:04:27 ◼   ► Column view, metadata, quick look, the quick actions.

01:04:31 ◼   ► You have zip and unzip.

01:04:32 ◼   ► You have folder-based collaboration.

01:04:35 ◼   ► You have external USB and SD access.

01:04:38 ◼   ► You have file servers.

01:04:40 ◼   ► And it seems like so far it's only SMB servers.

01:04:43 ◼   ► Ideally, it should also be SFTP and all that kind of stuff,

01:04:45 ◼   ► but we'll see.

01:04:47 ◼   ► So that--

01:04:47 ◼   ► What is an SMB server?

01:04:49 ◼   ► Ask.

01:04:50 ◼   ► Ask your friend.

01:04:51 ◼   ► What is an SMB server?

01:04:53 ◼   ► OK.

01:04:55 ◼   ► And then Safari really got this massive update

01:05:00 ◼   ► that they did this entire rework of what

01:05:05 ◼   ► it means to have Safari as a desktop browser on iPad.

01:05:09 ◼   ► You have all these websites that now work on Safari for I,

01:05:13 ◼   ► but from Google Docs to YouTube.

01:05:15 ◼   ► And you can actually choose the quality of the video in YouTube

01:05:18 ◼   ► in Safari now.

01:05:20 ◼   ► You have Netflix working in desktop Safari.

01:05:24 ◼   ► And it's not just that, but you've got a download manager.

01:05:27 ◼   ► So this is something that I learned today.

01:05:29 ◼   ► When you download a file, you can

01:05:32 ◼   ► choose if you want to-- by default,

01:05:34 ◼   ► it goes into iCloud Drive/downloads.

01:05:37 ◼   ► But you can choose any file provider

01:05:38 ◼   ► to be your default downloads location.

01:05:41 ◼   ► So you can put it in local storage,

01:05:43 ◼   ► or you can put it in Dropbox.

01:05:44 ◼   ► - The iPad's real good, right?

01:05:46 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:47 ◼   ► - Isn't it nice? - Well, it's been good

01:05:48 ◼   ► for a while. - But it's getting even gooder.

01:05:50 ◼   ► - It's getting, yeah.

01:05:51 ◼   ► And I'll tell you this, which actually,

01:05:54 ◼   ► it's got all these new keyboard shortcuts.

01:05:59 ◼   ► It's got this entirely reworked menu

01:06:02 ◼   ► for Safari Reader and content blockers.

01:06:07 ◼   ► It's been entirely rebuilt, and it's not just like flipping a switch

01:06:10 ◼   ► and saying, "Okay, now it's desktop mode."

01:06:12 ◼   ► But there was a lot of thought that went into adjusting the viewport for--

01:06:15 ◼   ► - Do you know how stuff like--

01:06:19 ◼   ► when you go on a website and you hover over a menu

01:06:21 ◼   ► and a menu comes down, how are they dealing with that?

01:06:24 ◼   ► - They try-- my understanding is that they try to avoid leaving the page

01:06:31 ◼   ► so that a tap doesn't actually navigate to that element

01:06:34 ◼   ► but shows you what the hover state would be,

01:06:37 ◼   ► sort of like, how are you doing that?

01:06:39 ◼   ► It was a lot of work, or so I've been told.

01:06:43 ◼   ► - Something in between.

01:06:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, somewhere in between,

01:06:47 ◼   ► if there was only a word for that.

01:06:49 ◼   ► I wanna talk quickly about shortcuts.

01:06:53 ◼   ► - Oh, let's take a break.

01:06:56 ◼   ► Let's take a break, then we'll talk about shortcuts.

01:06:58 ◼   ► - Let's take a break.

01:06:59 ◼   ► Maybe I'll get this one right.

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01:09:12 ◼   ► So Federico, tell us about shortcuts.

01:09:17 ◼   ► - Massive update that sadly didn't get the time

01:09:21 ◼   ► that it deserved in the keynote.

01:09:23 ◼   ► And I feel like maybe not enough people

01:09:27 ◼   ► are talking about this now, and it kind of makes sense

01:09:28 ◼   ► because the week of the conference,

01:09:31 ◼   ► everybody's excited about the Mac Pro and iPadOS.

01:09:34 ◼   ► But really, what they did with the shortcuts app

01:09:36 ◼   ► is impressive.

01:09:37 ◼   ► So it's now built into the system.

01:09:40 ◼   ► And it's got this whole new editor.

01:09:42 ◼   ► So the way that you actually create your shortcuts,

01:09:45 ◼   ► if you want to put together a simple shortcut

01:09:48 ◼   ► or a multi-step shortcut, the editor is all new.

01:09:51 ◼   ► And it's based on this idea of getting rid of--

01:09:56 ◼   ► There's a parallel in a way between ZwiftUI and the new shortcuts.

01:10:01 ◼   ► ZwiftUI is pitched as a way to have way less code.

01:10:05 ◼   ► And in a way, the new editor of shortcuts is a way to have way fewer actions,

01:10:09 ◼   ► in the sense that all the previous input-based system,

01:10:13 ◼   ► like doing the get variable stuff, that's gone.

01:10:17 ◼   ► Basically every action now has a parameter.

01:10:20 ◼   ► And that is a whole new deal with shortcuts in iOS 13,

01:10:24 ◼   ► is to have a parameter-based system

01:10:26 ◼   ► where in every action you can go in there

01:10:28 ◼   ► and there's like a field,

01:10:30 ◼   ► and you can say, "I want to have some text in here,"

01:10:33 ◼   ► or "I want to pick a document," or "I want to pick a location."

01:10:36 ◼   ► And it sort of looks like a natural language UI.

01:10:41 ◼   ► It reminds me of when in Fantastical,

01:10:43 ◼   ► when you're typing out a sentence

01:10:45 ◼   ► and there's all those tokens that sort of fly out

01:10:48 ◼   ► because they're recognized.

01:10:49 ◼   ► When you're putting together an action,

01:10:51 ◼   ► the new shortcuts, it sort of looks like that.

01:10:53 ◼   ► You have this sentence that says, "Pick two photos,"

01:10:56 ◼   ► and, you know, in a way that is structured

01:10:59 ◼   ► that makes sense, visually speaking.

01:11:02 ◼   ► And that saves a lot of time when putting together a shortcut.

01:11:06 ◼   ► But that's not all, because this parameter-based system,

01:11:10 ◼   ► it's also -- it's been opened up to developers.

01:11:13 ◼   ► And so developers can now --

01:11:14 ◼   ► And this is what we were talking about, having a shortcuts API.

01:11:17 ◼   ► -Is that like a deep and open framework?

01:11:19 ◼   ► -Yes, exactly. It's exactly like a deep and open framework.

01:11:21 ◼   ► -I think that joke's so old, no one here got it.

01:11:24 ◼   ► -No. -I feel very self-conscious.

01:11:26 ◼   ► -Yeah. -John Voorhees got it.

01:11:28 ◼   ► So, thanks, John.

01:11:30 ◼   ► The thing about parameters is that by having a shortcuts API,

01:11:35 ◼   ► even more so than before,

01:11:36 ◼   ► if there's a missing feature from shortcuts,

01:11:38 ◼   ► now developers can come in and say,

01:11:40 ◼   ► "I actually offer this feature as a shortcut

01:11:42 ◼   ► that supports inputs and outputs

01:11:45 ◼   ► and lets users define these data items

01:11:49 ◼   ► and that actually can support dynamic options.

01:11:52 ◼   ► So that when you run a shortcut from a third-party app,

01:11:55 ◼   ► and maybe that app wants to confirm something with you,

01:11:57 ◼   ► it can bring up a list of items.

01:12:00 ◼   ► And that sort of unlocks so many capabilities

01:12:03 ◼   ► that were not possible before.

01:12:04 ◼   ► So that's going to be super, I think,

01:12:07 ◼   ► super interesting to see how developers plug into that.

01:12:09 ◼   ► But basically, it's a replacement for URL schemes.

01:12:13 ◼   ► It's a replacement for those crazy clipboard-based hacks

01:12:17 ◼   ► that folks like James Thompson, for example,

01:12:19 ◼   ► implemented in iOS 12.

01:12:21 ◼   ► So that's awesome.

01:12:22 ◼   ► They're also doing automation in the context of you

01:12:25 ◼   ► can now run your shortcuts automatically on a schedule.

01:12:28 ◼   ► There's a bunch of triggers that we published on Mac Stories

01:12:31 ◼   ► today.

01:12:32 ◼   ► You can run a shortcut when you leave a location,

01:12:34 ◼   ► or when you arrive, when you connect to Wi-Fi or Bluetooth.

01:12:38 ◼   ► And they support different types of execution.

01:12:41 ◼   ► So some of them are automatic.

01:12:43 ◼   ► They don't require confirmation.

01:12:44 ◼   ► And some of them require confirmation

01:12:46 ◼   ► through a notification.

01:12:49 ◼   ► So something that I was thinking about today is Bluetooth is now a trigger.

01:12:56 ◼   ► So when a Bluetooth device connects, run a shortcut.

01:13:02 ◼   ► And the new accessibility stuff is also a series of actions.

01:13:07 ◼   ► So there are now actions for turn on assistive touch, for example.

01:13:12 ◼   ► You see where this is going?

01:13:13 ◼   ► I do.

01:13:14 ◼   ► One of your concerns with getting cursor support on iPad was,

01:13:20 ◼   ► "Well, I don't want to leave AssistiveTouch enabled all the time

01:13:23 ◼   ► because it leaves that floating circle thing on your screen."

01:13:27 ◼   ► But what if you had a shortcut that says,

01:13:31 ◼   ► "When this Bluetooth trackpad connects, turn on AssistiveTouch?"

01:13:36 ◼   ► -Yes. -And by doing that --

01:13:37 ◼   ► -It's like somebody thought about what I would want to do.

01:13:40 ◼   ► -Yeah. -And then they fixed it for me.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Yeah, so automatic triggers are going to be awesome.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Yeah, they're here.

01:13:46 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:13:47 ◼   ► They're listening.

01:13:49 ◼   ► And finally, I want to talk about the gallery.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Even more so than before, the thing

01:13:55 ◼   ► that they're doing in iOS 13 is really

01:13:58 ◼   ► what should have been all along.

01:13:59 ◼   ► There's no more separation between Siri shortcuts

01:14:03 ◼   ► and custom shortcuts in that all the shortcuts section

01:14:07 ◼   ► from settings is gone.

01:14:09 ◼   ► Everything is into the shortcuts app,

01:14:11 ◼   ► - Which is better.

01:14:12 ◼   ► - You don't, yes.

01:14:13 ◼   ► You don't have to go in there and manage them

01:14:17 ◼   ► or record phrases.

01:14:19 ◼   ► You can just type a phrase, for example.

01:14:22 ◼   ► All of your custom shortcuts automatically run

01:14:25 ◼   ► when you just say their name.

01:14:27 ◼   ► So you don't have to say, oh, this custom shortcut,

01:14:29 ◼   ► I wanna sign a phrase to that.

01:14:31 ◼   ► Everything has been so much--

01:14:32 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:14:33 ◼   ► - Everything is so much simpler than before.

01:14:35 ◼   ► And there's not only that,

01:14:38 ◼   ► but because now shortcuts is built into the system.

01:14:40 ◼   ► So let's say that you're adding a Siri shortcut from Peacock.

01:14:46 ◼   ► And actually, James Thompson maybe

01:14:49 ◼   ► has done the work to support parameters.

01:14:51 ◼   ► But maybe you don't like the default state

01:14:53 ◼   ► of that Siri shortcut.

01:14:54 ◼   ► You can go in there, and before you add it to Siri--

01:14:58 ◼   ► which, by the way, does not require speaking the phrase.

01:15:01 ◼   ► You can just type the phrase.

01:15:02 ◼   ► You can customize that shortcut before you add it to Siri.

01:15:06 ◼   ► And the UI that you get--

01:15:08 ◼   ► and remember, you're still in Peacock.

01:15:10 ◼   ► But the UI that you get for customizing the shortcut

01:15:12 ◼   ► is the shortcuts editor.

01:15:14 ◼   ► - Oh, this is cool.

01:15:14 ◼   ► - So the shortcuts editor is now a feature

01:15:16 ◼   ► across the system because it's built into the system.

01:15:19 ◼   ► - Oh, that's awesome.

01:15:22 ◼   ► - Thank you shortcuts.

01:15:23 ◼   ► - Thank you shortcuts.

01:15:24 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:15:25 ◼   ► - Go on then.

01:15:31 ◼   ► - A lot of episodes we're talking about shortcuts.

01:15:33 ◼   ► You may imagine what I'm doing and now you just saw it.

01:15:35 ◼   ► I'm just sort of staring.

01:15:37 ◼   ► - Like playing into the distance.

01:15:38 ◼   ► I gotta play the Mac card just for a second.

01:15:41 ◼   ► I know we're getting close on time.

01:15:42 ◼   ► But spending some time with the Mac Pro this week,

01:15:45 ◼   ► talking to the team behind it.

01:15:47 ◼   ► - Look at me. - It's not a hug.

01:15:49 ◼   ► - I got to touch it.

01:15:51 ◼   ► - I didn't know that you can't touch it.

01:15:52 ◼   ► I was not allowed to touch it.

01:15:53 ◼   ► - I got to look at it with my own.

01:15:54 ◼   ► - I was walking out of the place

01:15:55 ◼   ► and some guy at his hand in the band said,

01:15:57 ◼   ► "What happened?"

01:15:57 ◼   ► He said, "I touched the handle and they,

01:15:59 ◼   ► "choo!"

01:15:59 ◼   ► - They closed it and then all my fingers fell off.

01:16:02 ◼   ► - Well, it was very messy.

01:16:04 ◼   ► I think what the Mac,

01:16:06 ◼   ► we're gonna talk more about the Mac Pro.

01:16:07 ◼   ► Of course, go listen to ATP this week.

01:16:09 ◼   ► They did an excellent job, as you may imagine,