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0:00:00[classical music]

0:00:02[audience applauding]

0:00:09- How is everybody's WWDC?

0:00:11[audience cheering]

0:00:13That's it, just like lukewarm.

0:00:15Y'all are just tired at this point?

0:00:16[audience laughing]

0:00:18Well, thank you for coming.

0:00:19This is our second live show since WWDC moved to San Jose.

0:00:24We're glad to be back here in the Hammer Theater

0:00:26with their awesome crew and amazing venue.

0:00:29We've got a lot of stuff planned for you all tonight.

0:00:31Someone asked me earlier how we're

0:00:32going to fit all the topics into tonight's show,

0:00:35and I answered them truthfully, we're

0:00:36barely going to cover anything.

0:00:38So a couple of-- or one quick announcement.

0:00:40I know the robot voice told you to turn your phones off

0:00:43or whatever, so here's the deal.

0:00:45I need them to be muted, please.

0:00:47But at the request of Federico Vatici,

0:00:49have your phone handy because you

0:00:51are going to need internet access during the show.

0:00:55Unless you're unfortunately on Sprint or T-Mobile,

0:00:57you should have LTE in the theater. Any Sprint people?

0:01:02Really? Come on. But there is public Wi-Fi available as well.

0:01:05But if you're on LTE, do that so we don't crush their access

0:01:08points. This is where I get to introduce two of my favorite

0:01:12people in the world. Guys that I've done this show with for

0:01:15like 120 years, it feels like. Please welcome Federico Vittucci

0:01:20and Myke Hurley. [Applause]

0:01:22[Applause]

0:01:31Wow. What up? Can you believe that these many people come here to hear three guys talk about the Mac Pro?

0:01:42[Laughter]

0:01:44There should be a podcast about that. Yeah, that would be good. Like a good hour of discussion about it.

0:01:49Yeah, we do that before we talk about that. Let's that that pans out because I happen to have one

0:01:55We go

0:01:57Very nice that trash is that a trash can no, that's like that's a computer. I had one it was a trash can

0:02:04No, don't do that

0:02:07Let me let me turn it on here there's a hand crank in the back. Give me a second

0:02:12Okay, you can go in and get hand cranks on technology or all the rage these days

0:02:18So

0:02:19Hope there goes it's booting actually turning it on it kernel panicked when it booted earlier

0:02:24So we'll see if this works. This is literally his show notes are on this

0:02:27So we have to wait now. You really should have turned it on when you came on

0:02:32You know, you could have used the real computer, right?

0:02:34Yeah, we're gonna sit here. I love the computer of the future. I left my Newton at home

0:02:39That really is the computer of the past now

0:02:42But it's very sad. It's a sad setup.

0:02:45Our show document says "Secret Federico Segment, Not the Surprise."

0:02:50Yeah.

0:02:50So, do you want to take it away?

0:02:54Well, you know, last year we were here and I gave you all some details about this very beautiful location, the Hammer Theatre.

0:03:01I remember.

0:03:02And we talked about the name, Susan Hammer, previous mayor of San Jose, and I only mentioned in passing another person.

0:03:11Okay.

0:03:11The person who gives the name to the place where, you know, developers among us have

0:03:18been waiting in line for the bathroom all week.

0:03:20Now I know you wanted pronunciation.

0:03:23Tom McHenry.

0:03:24Thank you.

0:03:25Gives the name to the McHenry Convention Center.

0:03:28And I would like to talk about him for five minutes, if possible.

0:03:31For context.

0:03:32Is he here?

0:03:33He's not here.

0:03:34Okay.

0:03:35I can assure you that he's still alive.

0:03:36He's very busy.

0:03:38Right now?

0:03:39- Until we get to the end of this pretty brief segment,

0:03:44I will refer to him as Mr. Tom.

0:03:46- Is there a reason?

0:03:48- I want you to know that Mr. Tom is known for many things.

0:03:51He's an author, he's a businessman,

0:03:56and he was the former mayor of San Jose from 1983.

0:04:00- Wasn't Susan Hammer a mayor as well?

0:04:01- They had more than one.

0:04:02- Did they name every building after mayors?

0:04:04- Hold on, every mayor here gets a building.

0:04:05- Is that Mayor Original Joe?

0:04:08Is that Mayor Original Joe?

0:04:09I'm not sure about that.

0:04:10- Okay, we can find out next year, I guess.

0:04:12- Tom McHenry served as the mayor of San Jose

0:04:14from 1982 to 1991.

0:04:16So I did some research around this,

0:04:18and apparently he led the explosion of growth

0:04:22of America's 10th largest city, San Jose.

0:04:27So I double checked because the population of San Jose

0:04:30apparently is one million people.

0:04:31- Where are they? - Where are all these people?

0:04:33- Where are they? (audience laughing)

0:04:34Not downtown.

0:04:35- They're definitely not here.

0:04:37Apparently the Wikipedia data is up to date until last year.

0:04:40So one--

0:04:41But they all moved in the last year.

0:04:42I have no idea.

0:04:44The very famous website, the San Jose Mercury News--

0:04:47we all know about the Mercury News, right?

0:04:49Are they GDPR blocked?

0:04:51Did you struggle with that?

0:04:52Actually, I don't know.

0:04:53I bet they are.

0:04:54It's one of those websites.

0:04:55They referred to McHenry as the most powerful person

0:04:59in Silicon Valley once.

0:05:01Forget about Steve Jobs.

0:05:02That's not right, is it?

0:05:03That's not right.

0:05:04And according to the Metro Active website,

0:05:08McHenry loved being the center of attention.

0:05:12- Okay.

0:05:13I don't know anybody like that.

0:05:14(audience laughing)

0:05:15- McHenry had very peculiar...

0:05:18(audience laughing)

0:05:21- He's talking about you.

0:05:24- Yeah, I got that.

0:05:26That's the joke, I got that.

0:05:27- Okay, good.

0:05:28(audience laughing)

0:05:29- McHenry had very...

0:05:31(laughing)

0:05:32McHenry had very peculiar music taste.

0:05:37- How do you know this?

0:05:38- He really liked, I did my research.

0:05:40With my real computer, not that.

0:05:41- Did you go to his house?

0:05:42- No, he liked the Eagles and U2,

0:05:46so he's basically got the same taste as Tim Cook, essentially.

0:05:50- I think John Siracusa as well.

0:05:52- Hold on, McHenry wrote a couple of books.

0:05:56And so I went to read his interviews about these books.

0:05:59- I thought you said he read the books.

0:06:00- No, no, no.

0:06:01- Can you imagine that?

0:06:03And he said, and this makes me feel very bad,

0:06:08- All right.

0:06:08- That he sold hundreds of copies.

0:06:12- Oh no.

0:06:13- Wait, where did he say that?

0:06:15- In an interview.

0:06:16- Why would you say that?

0:06:16- He was so proud of it, but he said,

0:06:19he said he wished he had applied more.

0:06:21Yeah, he used to be a bartender.

0:06:26- Was this after the book sales?

0:06:28- I don't know, I think in his youth.

0:06:30Okay.

0:06:31And I'm quoting here.

0:06:33Okay.

0:06:33A lot of people said they weren't sure I would be a good mayor, but they want to

0:06:38get me out of bartending because it wasn't any good.

0:06:41Um, why did they name the convention?

0:06:47McHenry also was a radio host.

0:06:50Okay.

0:06:50He was a podcaster, I guess, in a way.

0:06:52And I hear that he actually came up, came up with the concept of follow-up.

0:06:57Oh, wow.

0:07:00Not somebody else.

0:07:01Does that come from your research?

0:07:02McHenry pioneered follow-up.

0:07:03Wow, it does say it and it's documents, so it must be true, I suppose.

0:07:09The thing about Tom is...

0:07:11Is he lost the mister now?

0:07:13The thing about Tom is the nicknames.

0:07:15Oh, nicknames.

0:07:17Last year I revealed how people used to refer to Tom as Big Mac.

0:07:22Oh, yeah.

0:07:23Turns out he had more nicknames.

0:07:25Little Mac.

0:07:26But really the nicknames go way back in the McHenry bloodline.

0:07:29- Okay.

0:07:31- His grandfather.

0:07:32[laughing]

0:07:34- You do know this is a technology podcast.

0:07:37- Hold on, I'm at the end.

0:07:38- I'm not getting any of that.

0:07:39- His grandfather, Ben Sellers.

0:07:42- What?

0:07:43- San Jose Councilman.

0:07:44- Okay.

0:07:45- Was known as Honest Ben.

0:07:47- Okay.

0:07:48- His father, John McHenry,

0:07:51- This Honest.

0:07:52- Was a member of the Truman administration.

0:07:54- Okay.

0:07:54- Was known as Big John.

0:07:56- Big John.

0:07:57- Big John.

0:07:58big John energy to him. Stop it! The good old B.J.E. Stop! Tom McHenry was also known

0:08:12as the Magster. The Magster? Oi. But others... Isn't that your nickname? We could go with

0:08:19that, right? The Magster? Other people... No. Because after he... Of course he was succeeded

0:08:23by Susan Hammer, but he kept talking about being a mayor and running again, and so he

0:08:30kept showing up in these articles and these stories and these radio programs, and so the

0:08:34other nickname that Tom McCarran had was "Timeless Tom".

0:08:38Timeless Tom.

0:08:39And so that's my research.

0:08:42Thank you so much.

0:08:43We're done.

0:08:44Thank you.

0:08:45Is that a new catchphrase for you?

0:08:48That's my research?

0:08:49You should go with that.

0:08:50That should be a...

0:08:51Like a jingle.

0:08:52That's my research.

0:08:53There we go.

0:08:55So--

0:08:56Do we have an actual show?

0:08:57Follow up?

0:08:58Big Tom?

0:08:59Big Tom's-- what was it?

0:09:00Wait, what was his name?

0:09:00Big John.

0:09:01Big John.

0:09:01Timeless Tom's--

0:09:02Timeless Tom.

0:09:02Timeless Tom's topic, other than that it's known as follow up.

0:09:05Steven, how was your first keynote experience?

0:09:07Congratulations.

0:09:08Thank you.

0:09:08It was awesome.

0:09:09Yep.

0:09:09I got an invite the week before.

0:09:12These guys know this.

0:09:13I thought it was a phishing attempt.

0:09:15So I copied the link and opened it in a private tab.

0:09:19I swear to you, this is true.

0:09:20And then checked the security certificate.

0:09:22I was like, I'm gonna enter my Apple ID

0:09:24and then Russia's gonna have it.

0:09:25And you don't want that.

0:09:27Not picking on Russia specifically, it's just--

0:09:30- No, you are. - I am.

0:09:31(audience laughing)

0:09:33No, it really was amazing.

0:09:34I've watched these things,

0:09:36I've paid attention to them before you could watch.

0:09:37Remember the days like you're refreshing like Engadget

0:09:40and like stories are coming in and the site goes down,

0:09:42like what's happening?

0:09:44It's all just happening in person now,

0:09:45for me at least for this year.

0:09:47And it really was incredible.

0:09:49And I was joined by David Sparks who was here somewhere,

0:09:52My coach, Samak Pareezer, is also his first time,

0:09:55and it really was special.

0:09:57It's something I'll remember for a long time.

0:09:59- Now you get the fear for next year.

0:10:01- I know.

0:10:02I'm just gonna think, I'm just gonna close my email

0:10:04for like the two weeks before WWDC.

0:10:07- Don't do that.

0:10:08- It's fine.

0:10:08- We've got a business to run.

0:10:10Don't do that.

0:10:11- Whatever.

0:10:12- He never checks his email anyway.

0:10:14I am a smart battery case believer now.

0:10:16- Oh, are you?

0:10:17- Follow up to IFTF. - Really?

0:10:18- Yeah, it's timely.

0:10:20I figured during our WWDC episode,

0:10:21I'll talk about smart battery case a little bit.

0:10:23- Sure, why not?

0:10:24- So during--

0:10:25(laughing)

0:10:27- It's a thick case.

0:10:29- You got, yeah, it's very thick.

0:10:31Steven changed his phone, so in the case of changing

0:10:37his phone, had an extra battery case and he gave it to me,

0:10:39and I've been using it.

0:10:40- 'Cause I'm a good friend.

0:10:41- Yep, I've been using it for the last few days.

0:10:43- I took it out of your cut of the company profits that month.

0:10:46- Okay, I can't get a pop socket to stick to it

0:10:49because the phone is too heavy now.

0:10:51That's my only downside.

0:10:52- No, here's the thing.

0:10:53You haven't tried hard enough to get it to stick.

0:10:55- Okay, maybe I could superglue.

0:10:57- I know how to weld.

0:10:58- We could weld one.

0:10:59- Is it safe to weld with like a battery two millimeter?

0:11:01- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that should be fine.

0:11:03I don't like the fact that my phone's always charging

0:11:05in my pocket though.

0:11:07- Because of fire?

0:11:08- Just, yeah, yeah, I don't like that.

0:11:11- Are you just afraid of your pants combusting?

0:11:12- I don't know why it has to always be charging.

0:11:15Like whenever I look at it, it's charging.

0:11:17- ABC, always be charging.

0:11:18- Ah, that's the way it is.

0:11:19All right, I'm done with follow up.

0:11:20That was very on topic.

0:11:22Yep.

0:11:23WBC batteries, yeah.

0:11:24Smart battery case.

0:11:25Good job.

0:11:25You just spoke about a mayor.

0:11:28That gives the name to the convention center.

0:11:29We're not in it!

0:11:30Show some respect for the city.

0:11:32Ugh.

0:11:33Not just because you come from Europe, you can just come here and disrespect Americans.

0:11:36Wait a second.

0:11:37Actually, he's not going to be from Europe much longer.

0:11:44Thanks so much everyone.

0:11:49(audience laughing)

0:11:51- Why would you do that?

0:11:52- That was so good though.

0:11:53- I needed to even out the Russia thing, so.

0:11:55- That didn't do that.

0:11:56- Follow out, follow out.

0:11:58- What is follow out again?

0:12:00- We have some follow out.

0:12:00Follow out.

0:12:01- It's created by Susan Hammer.

0:12:02- Susan Hammer had this idea to talk about other things

0:12:05before you talk about your own things.

0:12:07- Yeah.

0:12:07- 'Cause that's just what we do here.

0:12:09Now, so a couple of episodes of things

0:12:11that you should check out.

0:12:13- Why are you surfing on the web right now?

0:12:15- I have to scroll.

0:12:16- What are you doing?

0:12:17On Upgrade episode 248, Jason and Myke spoke.

0:12:22The afternoon of the keynote.

0:12:23I always love this episode because you get sort of

0:12:26the gut reactions and you find out how wrong you are

0:12:28about everything later.

0:12:30'Cause when you're here, I mean you guys know this, right?

0:12:32Like you see somebody--

0:12:33- You're not doing a good job of like--

0:12:35- It's a really good episode, you should listen to it.

0:12:37- It's all wrong, but listen to it anyway.

0:12:39- Jason, I can see Jason.

0:12:42- Yeah, I heard it a lot.

0:12:42- He's very unhappy with me.

0:12:43(audience laughing)

0:12:45It's a great episode.

0:12:46I also wanna point people to Mac Power Users episode 485,

0:12:50where David and I interviewed

0:12:54the Mac Pro product manager from Apple.

0:12:56We sat down for about 45 minutes,

0:12:58got some really interesting stories

0:13:00about the Pro workflow team.

0:13:01And my favorite tidbit from this,

0:13:03the Mac Pro, which we're gonna talk about

0:13:06basically for the rest of the time we have you here,

0:13:09is designed to be like used--

0:13:11- I just, everyone just left.

0:13:13- I can't see, they could all be--

0:13:14- They heard a lot of shuffling at that moment.

0:13:16- It's designed to be used in the field

0:13:18by real video professionals.

0:13:20And so they said, well, what happens,

0:13:22and it's got wheels on it, which is amazing.

0:13:24What if someone like slides it down like the ramp

0:13:27on the back of a truck?

0:13:28You know what I'm talking about, on a moving truck,

0:13:29they have like the corrugated metal ramp.

0:13:31And so they wired a Mac Pro up with like vibration

0:13:34and G-Shock sensors or whatever, and rolled it down a ramp.

0:13:38- I don't think they needed to do that.

0:13:39- But that's why it's a good computer,

0:13:41because they didn't need to, but they did it anyways.

0:13:43- Is that why it took two years?

0:13:44- Yeah, maybe they had to rent a truck

0:13:45'cause I can't find one.

0:13:47- Can you roll that down a truck?

0:13:50- This would roll really well.

0:13:51- Too well.

0:13:55- Too well.

0:13:56- You got, what you got going on?

0:13:57- You got anything?

0:13:59- So,

0:14:00I, if I were you,

0:14:05I would keep an eye on Mac stories tomorrow.

0:14:07- Okay.

0:14:08- Morning.

0:14:09- Are you signing up for that interview that we did?

0:14:12you speak to me? Is that Luan? Yes. Okay. Myke and I talk about... On my hotel room.

0:14:18Yes. Yeah. Did you ever connect it without me? Nope. Mmm. So yeah, I'm just, you know,

0:14:24something tomorrow. It would be of benefit to you all. Mm-hmm. I mean, your

0:14:29homepage is all set to Mac stories right anyways. Yeah. Everybody does that.

0:14:33Do you need to do anything now? No, just what I... Steven, can you open your notes

0:14:38up please. And during the episode I will be asking Steven questions and everybody

0:14:43else questions I guess and I would like you to just stay here. Where was I gonna

0:14:49go? Quiet. Oh well that's difficult. Okay I have notes open I have a title called

0:14:55Federico surprise which sounds like a website I don't want to visit. It sounds like a dessert.

0:15:00Steven, what is the American city with the most ridiculous take on pizza?

0:15:08What would you say? Am I saying what you would say? Easy. All of them. Take that

0:15:17Tucson. There's one in particular. They call it pizza. I wrote it down. Do you

0:15:23want to know what I wrote? Yes. So I wrote it down but I could have just told you.

0:15:27Yeah, no, just tell me Chicago. Okay, okay

0:15:30Hey, don't even try that's not pizza. Oh god. That's I don't want to turn our show into this

0:15:37This is not what you're supposed to write down. I will tell you what to write down

0:15:41What did we do in Chicago two years ago?

0:15:44What did we do in Chicago two years ago? Mm-hmm like why we were there? Yeah

0:15:49Hey, yeah, good job peanut gallery

0:15:54No, just don't really done. I will tell you what to write down. We were there for release notes

0:15:57Okay, and we did a live show we did. Mm-hmm. What story did I tell on that live show for the first time? I

0:16:04Remember, I know okay, you can talk the B story. No that one and I was here the bakery story the Baker story

0:16:11No, I call a person that works at a bakery a baker. Mm-hmm. But if you were to yes, but

0:16:19Instead of a baker, how would you make it more cool with the baker, right?

0:16:26Write that down.

0:16:27The baker?

0:16:28The baker.

0:16:29We can move on.

0:16:30Your surprise sucks.

0:16:31Wait, your surprise is Chicago the baker?

0:16:35Is that it?

0:16:36Write down the baker.

0:16:37Okay, I'll write it down.

0:16:38And we can move on.

0:16:39All right.

0:16:40For now.

0:16:41All right.

0:16:42Talk to you in a bit.

0:16:43Okay.

0:16:44Wait, you are still on the show, right?

0:16:45Yeah, yeah.

0:16:46All right, cool.

0:16:47our annual WWDC predictions.

0:16:51We're gonna grade them this time.

0:16:52And a reminder of the rules, we offer no half points.

0:16:57We only offer full points at Connected.

0:17:01We have a risky pick section.

0:17:03- Ricky pick.

0:17:04- Ricky picks.

0:17:05That started as a typo and now it's the name of the segment.

0:17:07- That's the name, Ricky's, the Ricky's.

0:17:09- If you get a Ricky right, you get two points.

0:17:11(laughing)

0:17:14And if your Ricky is wrong, you lose a point.

0:17:16I'm imagining characters now, Ricky Wright and Ricky Rong.

0:17:19(laughing)

0:17:20What do they look like?

0:17:21- Ricky Rong is in like all leather and he has an earring.

0:17:23- Oh, he's up from the bad side of the tracks.

0:17:27- Bad boy Ricky.

0:17:28- Oh, I like him.

0:17:29- The other two hosts have to agree

0:17:32that your pick was risky.

0:17:34- Ricky.

0:17:35- Ricky.

0:17:36And we had an order set by the March event predictions.

0:17:40- Which I won.

0:17:41- Can you believe that all these people

0:17:42came here to watch me win?

0:17:44- Myke got to go first.

0:17:45- There are prizes involved in this that are,

0:17:49they are here.

0:17:50- Where?

0:17:51- You'll know soon enough.

0:17:53So round one, Michael, you said dark mode for iOS.

0:17:58- Got that one.

0:17:59- Got a point.

0:18:00- Yep, it looks good.

0:18:02I haven't really seen it.

0:18:03I've seen a little bit.

0:18:05- It looks good semicolon, I haven't actually seen it.

0:18:07(laughing)

0:18:08I'm gonna revisit that.

0:18:09- I like the way that the dock looks.

0:18:12I like that kind of stuff.

0:18:13- It's a good dark.

0:18:14- Yep.

0:18:15- It's a good talk.

0:18:16Have you, wait, none of us are running the beta, right?

0:18:19- No. - No.

0:18:20- No. - No.

0:18:20- It seems like it's been heavily advised against.

0:18:23What is this, like some little warning?

0:18:25- There's a warning that says,

0:18:26attention for thrill seekers.

0:18:29Please do not insult the beta.

0:18:32- Please don't. - I highly recommend

0:18:33that you-- - Please, the public beta.

0:18:34- Okay. - Yeah.

0:18:35- So I felt pretty good about that, that was an easy one.

0:18:38- Yeah, I think it looks nice.

0:18:39I played with it on an iPad,

0:18:41and in between reboots and crashes, it looked great.

0:18:43- And there's really a lot of work that went into it

0:18:45like in terms of--

0:18:46- The ultimate dock mode is a crash.

0:18:47- That's true.

0:18:48(laughing)

0:18:49- Sure.

0:18:50- I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I had to say that.

0:18:51- No, that's a good joke.

0:18:52- Okay, thank you.

0:18:53- You did a good job there.

0:18:54- Thank you.

0:18:55(laughing)

0:18:57Do you have anything more on dock mode?

0:18:59- No, I just wanted to say something serious,

0:19:01but I kinda ruined it.

0:19:02- All right, great.

0:19:03- Moving on.

0:19:04- Okay.

0:19:05- I said that iOS 13 would change system requirements

0:19:08dropping devices that were supported by iOS 12.

0:19:11That is correct.

0:19:13past Steven did not put what devices in his document,

0:19:16but it changed. - We do not,

0:19:17we do not prepare, correct.

0:19:18- So Peanut Gallery, what got dropped in iOS 12?

0:19:20- I've been six, six plus.

0:19:22- Underscore squeaked out, five plus.

0:19:24Six, six plus.

0:19:27- I think Underscore's been pottyin'.

0:19:29- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

0:19:30- And iPad mini two, three, and the original iPad Air.

0:19:35- So basically like all of the stuff that they updated,

0:19:37which we were surprised about.

0:19:39- So that's A7, A8 in there.

0:19:42- So they're gone. - They're all gone.

0:19:43- Bye bye. - So point for me.

0:19:44- Congratulations. - Good job.

0:19:46- And you got? - New Animoji.

0:19:48- Okay.

0:19:49Did you get any of the ones right

0:19:50that you predicted there would be?

0:19:51- What did I predict? - I don't know.

0:19:53- We also didn't write those down.

0:19:53- You think you said mouse and there is a mouse.

0:19:55- There's a mouse. - Yeah.

0:19:56- That's good. - So, and there's an octopus

0:19:59and something else. - Cool.

0:20:02- And something else that I-- - Is there a rat?

0:20:05- Yeah, sure. - Cool.

0:20:06- It's just a mouse but zoomed in.

0:20:08- Yeah, and there's the new Memoji too,

0:20:10which look, there's more, I like the AirPods, that's fun.

0:20:14- The customization looks really fun.

0:20:16I cannot wait to make a mic with blue hair and a lip ring.

0:20:19- Yeah, I was really excited about,

0:20:21'cause what I thought Apple was showing me

0:20:23is that I could literally replace regular emoji with me,

0:20:28and you can't technically do that.

0:20:29They have it so like in some apps,

0:20:32the stickers that you create of yourself

0:20:34show in the emoji keyboard,

0:20:36but they just paste in as images,

0:20:38which is the worst bait and switch of all time.

0:20:41So mad, because they're like,

0:20:43oh, it's in the emoji keyboard.

0:20:44Yeah, but it's not emoji.

0:20:45You can't just put anything in there.

0:20:46- Right, and if you put them--

0:20:47- Be like, oh, it's in the emoji keyboard.

0:20:48- If you put, I played with it in the Notes app,

0:20:50and the emoji are small and the stickers are enormous.

0:20:52- Geez, fail, it's a failure.

0:20:54- Are you the kind of person that puts stickers

0:20:57as images in a note, Steven?

0:20:59- No.

0:20:59- Is that your attempt at being young?

0:21:02And like, that's not where you're supposed to put stickers.

0:21:04- Yeah, you're supposed to send them to your friends.

0:21:06- Yes.

0:21:07- He uses Bitmoji now, though.

0:21:07Are you printing those stickers, Steven?

0:21:10Like, do you put them in a note, and then you print the note?

0:21:14And then you cut them?

0:21:16I'm going to fax them to you after.

0:21:17You're like, put it up on the wall, be like, oh, yeah, yeah,

0:21:20yeah.

0:21:20OK, round two.

0:21:21So round one is a tie.

0:21:22I have one.

0:21:23Oh, yeah.

0:21:24We all have one.

0:21:24All the time.

0:21:25That's what a tie means.

0:21:26Even though I had the most correct one.

0:21:28That's not--

0:21:29So I am very happy, because my second pick

0:21:31is my vindication for having lost the upgrade

0:21:34draft on the same point.

0:21:35But I was a little bit more vague with this one, so I got it.

0:21:38Apple will mention Apple Arcade again during the keynote.

0:21:42- Which they did with controller support

0:21:44for Xbox and PlayStation, which is awesome.

0:21:46- Which I'm so happy about.

0:21:48- And it's in the beta, it's on iOS.

0:21:50There was a tweet going around of someone playing

0:21:52on an iPad with a PlayStation controller, it's awesome.

0:21:54- I like that Apple have finally decided

0:21:56to give up on the MFI controllers.

0:21:58That's what they've done. - Yeah, it never took off.

0:21:59What was the Steelcase one?

0:22:01- Steel Nimbus series.

0:22:02- I bought one, I used it once,

0:22:04and now I think it's like holding up furniture in my house.

0:22:06Like it's never been used again.

0:22:08- Wait, not Pro Controller, right?

0:22:11Why do they have Nintendo so bad?

0:22:12- I don't know, I don't know.

0:22:13- What's wrong with them?

0:22:14- I don't know, I have no idea.

0:22:15But I wonder, they mentioned the Xbox One S,

0:22:18but I have an Xbox Elite Controller.

0:22:20- I have an Xbox Elite Controller too.

0:22:21- Yeah, because I'm a big boy.

0:22:22- Because that's the kind of people we are, I guess.

0:22:24- Yeah.

0:22:25- It's like $150, that controller.

0:22:26- Will it work with all those switches and things?

0:22:27- I don't know, well I guess we can't.

0:22:28- Hey, hey, hey, hey.

0:22:30- I use--

0:22:31- No one cares about video games.

0:22:32No, sorry.

0:22:33- No, you don't care about video games here.

0:22:34- I use them sometimes.

0:22:36Well, I use like the trigger adjuster.

0:22:38- Yeah, yeah, just turn your chair.

0:22:39- It's way nicer to not have to pull the trigger

0:22:42the whole way down.

0:22:43And I also like that if I get bored,

0:22:44I can just, 'cause it's all by magnets,

0:22:46I can just take the joysticks off if I want to.

0:22:49- Yeah.

0:22:50- Yeah.

0:22:50- We can go back to the show.

0:22:51- We can carry on now.

0:22:53- Sorry, Steven.

0:22:54Sorry, Dad.

0:22:55- My next pick.

0:22:56- Sorry, Dad.

0:22:57Sorry, Dad.

0:22:57- Apple replaces at least one bundled Mac OS app

0:23:02with a marzipan or now catalyst version?

0:23:04- Well, you said marzipan.

0:23:06(audience laughing)

0:23:09- Oh!

0:23:10- This is very debatable.

0:23:11- As it's written, right?

0:23:14He's making a real face.

0:23:15All right, sorry, sorry, dad.

0:23:17Sorry, what app?

0:23:18What app did they replace?

0:23:20Reminders, right?

0:23:22- Wait.

0:23:23- Reminders is, I believe, replaced.

0:23:25- Podcast. - Podcast was not an app before,

0:23:28so you can replace something that doesn't exist.

0:23:30There is evidence that Messages has been redone, but they didn't mention it.

0:23:33Okay.

0:23:34We're gonna call it a point.

0:23:35And we're gonna call it a point.

0:23:36Are we?

0:23:37Are we?

0:23:38Yeah, I think we're gonna...

0:23:39Can you replace something that doesn't exist?

0:23:41Do we want to have this conversation?

0:23:43When we get to your Ricky?

0:23:44How picky do you want to get on the Ricky?

0:23:46Oh, you're right, fine.

0:23:47[laughter]

0:23:49Federico...

0:23:50I'm the victim here.

0:23:50Federico over there.

0:23:52conspiracy going on.

0:23:53Even on stage.

0:23:54Federico nailed the next one.

0:23:56iOS gets expanded font support.

0:23:59This is actually really cool.

0:24:01It's gonna be through the App Store.

0:24:02- You didn't think that.

0:24:04There's no open API.

0:24:05Is there an open API for a font picker?

0:24:07- The App Store people didn't think that.

0:24:09- It's kind of interesting that they're selling them, right?

0:24:12- So after we did this episode,

0:24:14I really thought about how would you get them on,

0:24:16and the store was the only obvious answer to me.

0:24:18They don't want you dragging in a true type font

0:24:20from Dropbox.

0:24:21- I think there's gonna be a screen settings though

0:24:23that lets you preview those fonts.

0:24:25- Do you think?

0:24:27- Do you know?

0:24:27or do you have a strong idea?

0:24:31- Is there a word in English for somewhere in between?

0:24:34Those two types of feelings?

0:24:35- What you just said.

0:24:36- Yeah.

0:24:37- You said the English words, somewhere in between.

0:24:40- Yeah, somewhere in between.

0:24:41- Did it, good work.

0:24:43Is there an English word for somewhere in between?

0:24:46Did you think you were talking Italian?

0:24:48- Like the Germans, like they have a single word

0:24:49for everything.

0:24:50- Yeah.

0:24:51- Yeah, like that.

0:24:52- What was you saying Italian?

0:24:52- I don't know, I don't know.

0:24:53- What, you don't have somewhere in between in Italian?

0:24:55- Yeah, but it doesn't, it's not, I don't know.

0:24:57I don't know.

0:24:59You could make up a word a no one would know.

0:25:01Somebody will know. There's a few Italians here.

0:25:04Is there any Italians here?

0:25:06Good job.

0:25:07Wait, one person said yes, they were a liar.

0:25:10The other person said C.

0:25:12They also may have been a liar, but they said it anyway.

0:25:16I got this. There's an API for apps,

0:25:19so that if you have a font, you can offer that font to the system.

0:25:23- Oh. - As a font picker.

0:25:24- Oh, like you were saying, like Photoshop, right?

0:25:27Were you saying that?

0:25:28No, Jason said that. - Or something like,

0:25:29IA Writer has their own bundled fonts.

0:25:31You're saying they could offer those

0:25:32to other apps in the system?

0:25:34That's awesome. - That's a good thing.

0:25:35That might be a way to get, like--

0:25:36- Can preview those fonts.

0:25:38- Huh. - So.

0:25:39- Huh, okay. - Cool.

0:25:40- Great.

0:25:41- That's all good news.

0:25:42So at the end of round two, we are tied.

0:25:45Very interesting.

0:25:48Anything else with fonts?

0:25:50- No, I mean-- - Had to wait

0:25:51For the tab to load for the ad read.

0:25:53It takes a long time.

0:25:54There's a new Apple font, which is interesting, I guess.

0:25:56What is it?

0:25:56Apple New York.

0:25:58Really?

0:25:58Yes.

0:25:59It's a Serif font.

0:26:01I haven't installed it yet, but it's on the developer website.

0:26:04Interesting.

0:26:05Yes, they're going to do the whole-- maybe they'll

0:26:06do Apple San Jose at some point.

0:26:08It'll be just one character.

0:26:09Big.

0:26:09It's just all big.

0:26:11Because there's no one here?

0:26:12It's just an ellipsis.

0:26:14That's it.

0:26:15And you can only use it during the day.

0:26:19It closes down at nine.

0:26:21After 9 p.m. the phone just stops.

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0:28:27- Let's talk about the Ricky's.

0:28:31- Yeah, let's talk about yours.

0:28:33- Curse of Support for iOS.

0:28:35- So this is one we should say that

0:28:38in the beginning part of the week,

0:28:40we thought Myke had missed this.

0:28:41Because when you're here, news comes out over--

0:28:43- It wasn't in the keynote or anything.

0:28:45You know, like it wasn't on the work cloud.

0:28:48It didn't exist.

0:28:48- Right.

0:28:49- You know, Federighi didn't use a mouse

0:28:50with a shaky hand.

0:28:51We didn't know it was here,

0:28:53but it came out that indeed iOS has cursor support.

0:28:56- Mm, I know gave you the idea for that.

0:28:58Pick.

0:28:59- You.

0:29:00- Mm.

0:29:01- But you get it.

0:29:01- So you get it.

0:29:02- It's also my point.

0:29:03- But you get it.

0:29:04- That's not how this works.

0:29:05- But you get the idea.

0:29:06Okay.

0:29:06- So how does it work?

0:29:07How does it work in iOS 13?

0:29:08- Bluetooth, which I was pretty surprised about.

0:29:11I kind of always figured it would be USB only,

0:29:13but it also--

0:29:14- I think we said there may also be Bluetooth,

0:29:17and it turns out yes.

0:29:17- Yeah, I just figured it was less likely, right?

0:29:21Because it is an accessibility feature,

0:29:22so you have to enable it in accessibility settings.

0:29:25- So you gotta go in AssistiveTouch,

0:29:26enable pointing devices,

0:29:27and when you have AssistiveTouch turned on

0:29:29and you connect a trackpad or a mouse,

0:29:31the little AssistiveTouch thing will become a cursor.

0:29:35- But there's, so that's amazing.

0:29:37I'm very excited about that.

0:29:38I'm very excited about putting my iPad in a stand,

0:29:41which I do all the time,

0:29:42and now instead of reaching out with my Apple Pencil

0:29:45to tap things, I can use a mouse, I can use a keyboard,

0:29:47and it's great.

0:29:47And I love to be able to do that stuff

0:29:50with my preferred operating system, right?

0:29:52Like I use my Mac that way and it's great,

0:29:53and it's great for ergonomics.

0:29:54Sometimes my iPad is not so good for ergonomics

0:29:57when I don't wanna use it in a laptop form factor.

0:29:59I wanna be able to use my preferred operating system

0:30:01in many different setups so I can always be comfortable.

0:30:05- Federico, do you think this is something

0:30:06that will become like pretty,

0:30:09like some accessibility features get used by lots of people

0:30:11because it tweaks something about the system

0:30:14that a lot of people think should be the default.

0:30:15Do you see this falling into that category where people who don't necessarily need it

0:30:20for an accessibility point of view will use it because it makes iOS more useful or faster

0:30:25or something?

0:30:26Yeah.

0:30:27I think Apple was sort of caught by surprise by the response to this, and they like to

0:30:31remind us that it's an accessibility feature, that it was not designed to be over bringing

0:30:36mice and trackpads to the iPad.

0:30:38But I think it's the kind of feature that will be used by folks who don't necessarily

0:30:42need it, maybe for the primary reason why it was designed.

0:30:45I think it is the right thing to do to introduce this as an accessibility feature,

0:30:48so it doesn't completely break the idea of touch devices too soon,

0:30:53that they can stage it out a little bit.

0:30:55But there is something additionally interesting with this.

0:30:58You can program mice buttons to do things.

0:31:01So obviously you want the left click to be tap, wild otherwise,

0:31:06but you can have the right click bring up the dock,

0:31:09or you can use the scroll wheel to go back to the home screen.

0:31:12and you can actually assign buttons to running shortcuts in iOS 13 and iPadOS.

0:31:19Is anybody from shortcuts here?

0:31:21[cheers and applause]

0:31:27We love you.

0:31:28Yes.

0:31:29But that is incredibly exciting.

0:31:31So if you have, what kind of shortcut do you run?

0:31:34Maybe to start time tracking, you could right-click,

0:31:37and it would just automatically fire your time tracking shortcut.

0:31:40We have stuff more that we want to talk about

0:31:42with Shortcuts later on, but that is just like,

0:31:45I love that feature, nobody needed to do that,

0:31:48but I'm so happy they did.

0:31:49So I'm really excited to play around with that.

0:31:51- So you got this point.

0:31:52- I really got that point.

0:31:54- You got your two points, it's a Ricky.

0:31:56- So I am. - Two points.

0:31:57- Four point mark score, I'm the winner, right?

0:31:59It was first to four points?

0:32:01That was-- - No.

0:32:02- Oh, all right, well, I got all my points.

0:32:04- My risky pick was one-- - Ricky.

0:32:07- Ricky. - Ricky.

0:32:10- Time for dinner.

0:32:11That sounded so strange.

0:32:13Ricky.

0:32:14- Sometimes when we do these predictions--

0:32:16- Somebody who's called Ricky is listening right now

0:32:19and they're like, "What?"

0:32:20There is a Ricky in the audience and they're pointing out.

0:32:24- Sometimes after we do these, we hang up the Skype call

0:32:26and you just have a sense of dread

0:32:29that you really blew it.

0:32:30And this is where I was last Wednesday.

0:32:33We hung up the Skype call, I get some lunch,

0:32:35I'm editing the episode, I'm like,

0:32:37"Pass Steven, you really messed this up."

0:32:40Not so much that I would alter the integrity of the show

0:32:43and change it, I didn't do that.

0:32:45I didn't think about it.

0:32:47Could I slip one in and they wouldn't notice?

0:32:48- I really wish you would have done that.

0:32:50(laughing)

0:32:51- Mine was the HomePod would gain multiple user support

0:32:56via voice detection.

0:32:57- Well.

0:32:58- You were chronologically the first person

0:33:01to score your Ricky.

0:33:02- It was very early on.

0:33:03As soon as they mentioned the HomePod,

0:33:05I thought, I've got this, because why else would they bring it up?

0:33:11Because they sell like two a month, and they're still too expensive.

0:33:15They sound great, it's fine, but like, as soon as they're like, "And we have something

0:33:18for the HomePod," it was like a light from heaven came down on me in the keynote hall

0:33:24and said, "Steven, my son, you are correct."

0:33:28Is the HomePod your dad now?

0:33:30Is that what that is?

0:33:32I really liked when they when they show that off is that they had this image on the screen of like a home pod and

0:33:37Like a bunch of people's legs like they were sitting around it and looking at it like they're all facing towards it

0:33:42It's who does that like wow?

0:33:44Center piece of your home. No, you know what I want to do. I want to sit down around the table and talk to Siri

0:33:50Yeah, let's have a conversation all four of us

0:33:53We'll add things to our calendars and it'll go in the right place is a doctor so good

0:33:58Congratulations, it's a shock to all of us

0:34:01but I too have a perfect score. Mm-hmm good job.

0:34:07Ederiko. Yes. Would you like to go through your pick? My Reiki was Apple will

0:34:12bring back some kind of... Some kind? Yes. I just like the emphasis, I enjoyed the

0:34:18emphasis. Thank you. Of app quotes, app list slash launcher UI. It is in quotes in our

0:34:26document. UI element on iPad. Okay. Now I know why you think this is debatable so

0:34:31So I'm going to make my case for why.

0:34:35You can have multiple apps in SlideOver.

0:34:37And when you want to choose between them,

0:34:40there's an app picker just for those apps.

0:34:43You mean like the multitasking view, right?

0:34:44Is that what you're talking about?

0:34:45Yes.

0:34:45It looks like that.

0:34:46There's always also in SlideOver,

0:34:50if you want to put in SlideOver an app that

0:34:52has multiple windows--

0:34:53and I sent you screenshots for this--

0:34:55there's a vertical element that shows you

0:34:57all those windows on the side.

0:35:00Same for Split View.

0:35:01If you want to put an app that has multiple windows

0:35:03in Split View, there's a new UI for those windows

0:35:07on the right side.

0:35:09So it may not exactly be what I had in mind,

0:35:13but it's three things.

0:35:15So really, if you do the math, three sort of,

0:35:19it's like one yes.

0:35:21- Wait, no, wait.

0:35:24What is that math?

0:35:26- If you don't give me this point,

0:35:28I will call the police.

0:35:30[laughter]

0:35:36So I think—I don't want that to happen, first of all.

0:35:39I would like to report a conspiracy.

0:35:41I think the language that saved you is some kind.

0:35:46And in hindsight, I think we should have put it in.

0:35:48I think we should have put it in, to be more specific.

0:35:50And we shouldn't have let him use the quotation marks.

0:35:52Don't—you actually don't—don't do that!

0:35:54Give me the point.

0:35:55He actually typed it in.

0:35:58That's a terrible idea.

0:36:00No, we're not doing it because of this, because I'm not letting you set that precedent that

0:36:04every time you want something, try and call the police for it.

0:36:07Do it!

0:36:08No, we will not have that in our household.

0:36:10You will not do this.

0:36:12We're going to give you the point.

0:36:13You are not my father, he is.

0:36:20We won't, look, just please.

0:36:22Look at it.

0:36:24Please just delete the numbers from your phone.

0:36:26We're going to give you the point.

0:36:28got nothing to do with oh my god he nearly pressed it yeah sheesh I think I

0:36:32think these some kind of I think it saved you and that's really on us we

0:36:37should have made you be more specific and you will not get away with this

0:36:40again young man we've all so well we had trophies what a victory give to well

0:36:48winners and we have roadies we had prizes prizes things thanks we had

0:36:54- There are things to give to the winners.

0:36:56We have a three-way tie.

0:36:58- But we need to come back to this.

0:37:01We're just gonna leave that hanging

0:37:02because we have some non-graded picks we need to deal with.

0:37:07- Oh yeah, okay.

0:37:09- So we, non-graded is sort of a misnomer.

0:37:13- Because now we're grading it.

0:37:14- Because now we're grading it.

0:37:15So the new rule is that the loser has to buy drinks.

0:37:18- Yeah.

0:37:19- And so these picks were supposed to be non-graded

0:37:22but now they're graded because Federico

0:37:24- You have to bet on everything.

0:37:25- Yes.

0:37:26- Apple does some new stuff of Animoji

0:37:28to make it more like Bitmoji.

0:37:30- Yes.

0:37:31- Some new stuff.

0:37:33- That's how you got your Ricky.

0:37:34- I'm gonna call the police.

0:37:36(audience laughing)

0:37:39- So here's the thing about my non-graded picks.

0:37:42I pick the same things every time,

0:37:44'cause at some point I'll be right.

0:37:46That did not happen to me this year.

0:37:48I said that MailApp would get modern features like snoozing.

0:37:52- It didn't get anything, did it?

0:37:53No, it got something. What did it get? You can drag the composer around, make a new window, and...

0:37:57That's not...

0:37:58So it got what iOS 13 brings.

0:37:59That's not what we're thinking of. I think Dan Morin told me it gets multiple colored flags now.

0:38:05[audience cheers]

0:38:06Oh, so this is...

0:38:06No, that's not what we're gonna be excited about!

0:38:08-Matter feature! -You have a rich text composer.

0:38:10No, it's like an old thing. It's just already on the Mac. It only exists on the Mac. So...

0:38:14You can mute threads.

0:38:16Muting threads is not what we were thinking of.

0:38:18That's not...

0:38:19Hey, look, it's not graded anyways. Can I please just have it?

0:38:21Wait. Yes.

0:38:23- I still lose. - Yeah, 'cause you'll still lose.

0:38:24Who can give it to me? I still lose.

0:38:26- Yeah. - It's fine.

0:38:26- Okay.

0:38:27- So I get a half point, which we don't award,

0:38:30to a non-graded pick, which we don't grade.

0:38:32- That's how it works, yeah.

0:38:33You got a half point for this.

0:38:34- All right.

0:38:35Federico, what was your next one?

0:38:37- There will be changes.

0:38:38See how precise and surgical I can be?

0:38:41There will be changes. - You can be.

0:38:43Not on your Ricky, though.

0:38:44- Do I need to unlock it again?

0:38:45- Oh, God, please put your phone down.

0:38:47- There will be changes to the...

0:38:49Give me my phone.

0:38:50- Okay.

0:38:51- There will be changes to the drawing,

0:38:52sketching interface used for screenshots, notes, et cetera.

0:38:57Maybe it'll even be--

0:38:59[LAUGHTER]

0:39:02You just wasted my iCloud story.

0:39:04Taking selfies.

0:39:06I want money.

0:39:06Changing your wallpaper.

0:39:08Maybe it'll even be an API.

0:39:10Texting your mom.

0:39:10So I got Pencil Kit, and I got the new drawing interface

0:39:15that you can drag around.

0:39:16And this is an awesome deal, right?

0:39:18Because we've all used drawing apps where their pencil support

0:39:21lags behind, literally lags behind.

0:39:23- Heyo! - Hey!

0:39:24- I was talking to some developers

0:39:27that they were just about to release

0:39:29their own custom drawing interface before.

0:39:33They were working on it.

0:39:34- Hey, it's better to have it before, right?

0:39:37Like then to finish it and ship it

0:39:38and then have to change it, I guess, right?

0:39:41- Sure.

0:39:41- You can throw away some code and do it again.

0:39:43- But it's exciting.

0:39:44- It's very good.

0:39:45- Do you get the sense that that will be something

0:39:47that a lot of drawing apps,

0:39:48like say the Paper app for instance,

0:39:50who have invested a lot in their own drawing mechanisms.

0:39:55Do you think they'll just swap it out

0:39:57or you think it's gonna be like a slow process?

0:39:59- I don't know, it's like--

0:40:00- I feel like if you are an actual note-taking

0:40:03or drawing-focused app,

0:40:04you should be doing something in that world

0:40:08that makes your app different.

0:40:10I feel like this is something to add to apps

0:40:12that would also like to have.

0:40:13- I don't know how customizable it is, but--

0:40:15- That's why, right?

0:40:16- The Apple version does a lot that you get for free

0:40:20and the performance is like, it's a lot of work.

0:40:22- Right, but like, if you are Notability or Good Notes,

0:40:26like your whole app is note taking, right?

0:40:28Like you wanna have more features

0:40:31and it's possibly more Apple provides.

0:40:34- Yeah, I guess, yeah.

0:40:34- We'll see.

0:40:35I would be surprised if we see like actual drawing apps.

0:40:39- Good Notes or whatever.

0:40:40- Or like Procreate, no Procreate,

0:40:42but like something a bit more simple.

0:40:43- Why is the last note not assigned to me?

0:40:45- Huh?

0:40:47- No, you got it.

0:40:47- It's not green.

0:40:48- Yes it is.

0:40:49Google docs on the iPad is an ad.

0:40:51Well, we'll come to-- what, framework?

0:40:53It's not good for me.

0:40:54Well, look, that's because it hasn't--

0:40:56because you're not connected to the internet.

0:40:57What do you want from me?

0:40:58Next.

0:40:59Myke.

0:41:00Jeez.

0:41:01You got a huge win for USB drive lovers everywhere.

0:41:04External storage support on iOS.

0:41:06Now, now, The Verge and Gadget and Federico and Jason Snell

0:41:11won't complain about it anymore in their reviews.

0:41:13That's kind of--

0:41:14Is that stop talking?

0:41:15I just want people to stop talking about it.

0:41:16I just don't want people to talk about it anymore.

0:41:18That's all.

0:41:19I'm done with this.

0:41:20Move on.

0:41:21- You got the point for something that you don't want.

0:41:25- What I wanted was to not have to hear

0:41:27about this complaint.

0:41:28- New rule, to get a point you should--

0:41:30- No, that is not a new rule.

0:41:32I am, no, my passion comes from the other way.

0:41:34I just really don't wanna hear about it anymore.

0:41:36That's my passion.

0:41:38- You hater.

0:41:39- I want to spend some time this fall

0:41:40seeing how far I can push this.

0:41:43I have a lot of zip discs laying around.

0:41:46- And I'm just wondering if I can assemble

0:41:49the right chain of dongles.

0:41:51Can I take something out of my G3 tower

0:41:54and put it on my iPad? - We're gonna have to go

0:41:55to the old town of dongle town, old dongle town.

0:41:57- Ye olde dongle town. - Ye olde dongle town.

0:41:59- My next one is my annual-- - I told you not to do this.

0:42:04- I know, but I really, if there's anyone listening

0:42:09who has any power, this is all I want.

0:42:11iOS 14 could be nothing but this and I would be happy.

0:42:14- No, you wouldn't.

0:42:16I'll use the Mac.

0:42:17iCloud family photo sharing.

0:42:19Let me paint you a picture.

0:42:21Some people have other people in their lives.

0:42:24- This is gonna take long.

0:42:25- You read about the mayor for an hour.

0:42:27Some people have people they care about in their lives

0:42:30who they wanna share pictures with.

0:42:32And you're doing it via iMessage or AirDrop.

0:42:35This is just be an iCloud photo library.

0:42:37We've talked about this forever.

0:42:38Jason's talked about it.

0:42:40I just, so much of iCloud family sharing stuff

0:42:43is really kind of half baked.

0:42:46but this is just missing entirely.

0:42:47And it seems so obvious to me, especially this year.

0:42:51And look, the new Photos app looks amazing.

0:42:53All the stuff they're doing to surface old photos

0:42:56and context-aware stuff, like if I'm searching

0:42:59and hiding things, oh, that looks awesome.

0:43:01But I still can't very simply share 30 photos

0:43:05I took at my kid's birthday party with my spouse.

0:43:08And that just seems like something Apple would be really into.

0:43:11- Can you give me my phone back?

0:43:13- Not yet.

0:43:14- Okay.

0:43:15- Yeah, I mean, I don't particularly want that feature,

0:43:19but I understand--

0:43:20- You have someone in your life you care about?

0:43:21- Yeah, but we don't wanna share all of our pictures

0:43:23of each other.

0:43:24- Not all of them, I mean, they need to be controlled,

0:43:25but look at the way Google Photos does it,

0:43:28and just do that.

0:43:28- But isn't Google's thing like you do share everything?

0:43:31- There's lots of options on like who's in the image and--

0:43:35- I just don't really think I wanna do it.

0:43:38- You just uncheck, anyway, some of us do want it.

0:43:40Federico.

0:43:42Improved support for zip archives in the files app and framework and of course you had to make the deep and open framework joke

0:43:49Deep and open open for I got all of this you can compress files

0:43:53You can unzip archives and it's all right there files app document browser. What's the framework?

0:43:57What's the zip in framework?

0:44:00Zip kit is there in the files app and framework?

0:44:05the files framework

0:44:08You can zip English you can zip in the files framework. Yes, and you

0:44:14Can you zip and unzip in not outside of the files? I mean my phone you're not running out

0:44:19No, you're not gonna take it cuz you when you say it like that with that look in your eye

0:44:25I'm not gonna give it to you

0:44:27Right cuz you look really angry and I can't see how that's gonna go well for anyone better

0:44:32You go no fun. No phone time till bedtime tonight

0:44:34so

0:44:36The the non-graded picks didn't go well for me. Mm-hmm, and I believe I owe the two of you drinks. Yep

0:44:42Yes, what all of you don't get excited? What is the fanciest bar in San Jose?

0:44:47Work it out later on let's ask the mayor. So we do have a a tie

0:44:54We have a three-way tie we need to fix that. I have a proposition

0:44:58Okay, but before we get to the proposition

0:45:00Let's thank our next sponsor. Oh, that's good. We're gonna leave these people in suspense is what we're doing

0:45:05- Is it less suspenseful when I draw attention to that?

0:45:07- Yeah. - Okay.

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0:45:38Future Steven, fix this edit point.

0:45:40- No, don't, leave it in.

0:45:41- Well, now I said it.

0:45:43- Leave it in. - It's live.

0:45:44- Take out when you said fix it.

0:45:46- Own your mistakes, old man.

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0:46:15You're referring to the week?

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0:49:29- Yes.

0:49:30(audience applauding)

0:49:31Okay, so we had said that if there was a tie,

0:49:36we would do what we did last time and flip a coin.

0:49:39Problem is, cannot get a three-sided coin.

0:49:42- Well, I couldn't find one on Amazon Prime at least.

0:49:44- Couldn't find a three-sided coin.

0:49:46So I have two propositions to solve this.

0:49:50There is the tournament, and the knockout.

0:49:53- Can you explain the difference please?

0:49:54- Yes, tournament version, you two, one on one,

0:49:59then the winner goes against me.

0:50:01- Wait a second.

0:50:02- Why are you so special?

0:50:03- Because I get advantage as the winner of the last one.

0:50:07- You got your advantage by having the first pick

0:50:09in all of those rounds.

0:50:10Your advantage is over.

0:50:11- All right, knockout version.

0:50:13- Okay.

0:50:14- We keep flipping until--

0:50:15- Can we hit each other in this version?

0:50:16- Keep flipping until there's one man standing.

0:50:18- Ooh, that sounds good.

0:50:19- We just keep flipping.

0:50:20- Okay. - That sounds good.

0:50:21- Could take 20 minutes.

0:50:23- That sounds great. - Okay.

0:50:25- I think we need a judge.

0:50:28- An official adjudicator.

0:50:29- I think we need some outside help,

0:50:30so please welcome to the stage Jason Snell.

0:50:33(audience applauding)

0:50:36- Hi, Jason.

0:50:37So we rehearsed this a little bit later on,

0:50:43a little bit earlier on,

0:50:45and we came to the harsh realization

0:50:47that Jason Snell cannot flip a coin.

0:50:49- Flip a coin.

0:50:50Like, it is, I've never seen in my entire life,

0:50:54somebody attempt to flip a coin in the many ways

0:50:57that Jason attempted to flip a coin.

0:50:59- It's like I've never seen a coin before.

0:51:00- Yeah, it was, he--

0:51:03- It was sad is what it was.

0:51:05- Just kept throwing it up into the air

0:51:07and he kept dropping it and then he couldn't pick it up.

0:51:09It was like a whole thing.

0:51:11- And this was the excellent, I think,

0:51:13still on sale Relay FM Challenge coin.

0:51:15- Yes, where can people go to get the Relay FM Challenge?

0:51:17- And we learned something important

0:51:19about the relay FM challenge coin when I finally did figure out how to flip it, which is I

0:51:24flipped it 10 times and it came up heads all 10 times.

0:51:26Yes.

0:51:27Yes.

0:51:28Now I could have used this information for evil.

0:51:30Oh my God, that was so loud.

0:51:32Don't make sounds like that.

0:51:35That was really scary.

0:51:38Give me the point, Jason.

0:51:40I think we should talk more about US file access in iOS.

0:51:43So we can't use the coin.

0:51:45- So we've decided that Jason is going to ask Siri.

0:51:50- Yes, yes.

0:51:50'Cause none of us can be trusted,

0:51:52so we have to bring somebody else onto the stage

0:51:54to ask Siri.

0:51:56- So how this works is you're going to let each of us

0:52:00select our heads or tails.

0:52:02- Correct.

0:52:03- And then you will ask Siri to flip a coin.

0:52:05- Yes.

0:52:06- And then Siri and I will eliminate at least one of you.

0:52:07- So for instance, just so we're all clear,

0:52:11if I say heads and Siri says tails, I'm out.

0:52:14- Yeah.

0:52:15We can all say the same thing so we can all we could be here for hours

0:52:19If you know we do have a contract saying we have to leave this could be the rest of the episode

0:52:23That's fine. There's nothing else happened this. Yeah, we'll just keep doing it until we get to the end

0:52:26Okay, so round one. I think we should go in the round-rubbing style. No, that's too it doesn't make a difference

0:52:3250/50 anyway, so I do it round one. I want to be Myke is going to get to go first because he had that slight advantage

0:52:38I

0:52:39Know it's hard and then Federico was going to go first. No, he was third. Well, it's

0:52:44He's making up his arm rolls, he's gone rogue.

0:52:46Myke, heads or tails?

0:52:47Heads.

0:52:48Federico?

0:52:49Heads.

0:52:50Tails.

0:52:51Okay.

0:52:52Bold move.

0:52:53Can you show me the version that you're running?

0:52:54Is that official software?

0:52:56It's not a beta.

0:52:57Hey Siri, flip a coin.

0:52:59It's tails.

0:53:03Oh.

0:53:04Oh.

0:53:05First place.

0:53:08I did it in one?

0:53:13In one? I was hoping for a little bit more. First place, so now we have to choose who's...

0:53:17Oh yeah, now we get to go, because now, who's second?

0:53:19It's the battle for last now, yes.

0:53:21Ah, I was really hoping it was gonna take longer than that.

0:53:23So it's me against you?

0:53:25It's me against you for second. I will not lose again.

0:53:28Federico, heads or tails?

0:53:29Heads.

0:53:31You just say... You wanna say heads or you wanna go for tails?

0:53:33[laughter]

0:53:35What's the time?

0:53:37Obviously we'll go with tails.

0:53:39Hey Siri, flip a coin.

0:53:41It's Tails.

0:53:43Yes!

0:53:44You lose, baby!

0:53:46This is a travesty.

0:53:48Yep, well.

0:53:49Congratulations, Steven.

0:53:50No toilet for me this year.

0:53:52Jason Snell, everybody.

0:53:53Official coin flipper of the connected podcast.

0:53:57Myke?

0:53:59Yep.

0:54:00Steven, open the notes up.

0:54:02Oh, here we go.

0:54:03We have prizes.

0:54:04Well, thanks.

0:54:05We've got to go back to the surprise again.

0:54:07Just a second.

0:54:08Myke, which phone do you think the baker is?

0:54:10think the baker uses?

0:54:12[laughter]

0:54:14[laughter]

0:54:16An iPhone 6.

0:54:18Okay, well it doesn't really matter.

0:54:20I was just...

0:54:22Oh, okay then.

0:54:24Where do you think the baker likes

0:54:26to share his photos

0:54:28of his bread? Is this

0:54:30for me? His baguette, his pizza.

0:54:32[laughter]

0:54:34It's not Rico.

0:54:36WhatsApp? Like is it...

0:54:38-Publicly. -Facebook. No? Is that a no or a yes?

0:54:42-MySpace. -Google+

0:54:44No, I mean, it's the obvious one, come on.

0:54:47-Shwitter? -Pictures?

0:54:49-Instagram. -Thank you, Steve.

0:54:51I'm young, I know what Instagram is.

0:54:53So, when people appreciate a photo on Instagram, what's it called?

0:55:01They like it.

0:55:02So, they give you...

0:55:04-Likes. -Write down likes.

0:55:06We're done.

0:55:08[audience laughter]

0:55:10What do you have so far?

0:55:12Chicago. No, just the, that was not the Baker. The Baker likes. Cool. Thanks. Moving on.

0:55:18[laughter]

0:55:23I've never been more confused about anything in my life

0:55:26than what you have done to this podcast. Is Chicago needed? No. Oh. He's probably dumb because he couldn't understand his own.

0:55:32[laughter]

0:55:36Have some awards to give out. Yeah

0:55:38Steven reaches under the table always getting up now

0:55:42This is still an audio podcast at heart. Oh, it's a big wooden box. Oh

0:55:47My god is that who is this for?

0:55:51It's impossible to tell it's a big wooden box and it says

0:55:55Macintosh Plus on it on gold inlay. Yep, who is this first second or third? Did you buy a present for yourself? Did you and Jason?

0:56:04collude

0:56:06(audience laughing)

0:56:07- Someone will have to write a report about that.

0:56:09- What is this?

0:56:10- In third place, we have Federico Vittucci.

0:56:15And losing is a very stressful thing.

0:56:18So you have a classic Macintosh stress ball.

0:56:21- Oh my God.

0:56:22(audience applauding)

0:56:23- I would watch that before you use it.

0:56:25- Oh no!

0:56:26- No!

0:56:26- Are you serious?

0:56:27- Is that from that person that I looked up

0:56:29and I found him in a voter registration database?

0:56:32- Yes it is.

0:56:33- Oh!

0:56:34- Yeah, I did a thing.

0:56:34So basically, Steven sent us a photo.

0:56:36Why'd you let me touch it?

0:56:39It's kind of yellow and stained.

0:56:43Just like an old Mac.

0:56:44So Steven sent us a photo of-- when he bought this trophy--

0:56:49he sent us a photo of this box.

0:56:51And on this box was a label.

0:56:52And on that label, so I zoomed into the picture,

0:56:55and there was the name of somebody.

0:56:57And so I looked it up, this person's name on Google.

0:57:00And I found his address.

0:57:02And he's a registered voter.

0:57:04So he's a good US citizen.

0:57:06And I kind of wanted to call him,

0:57:08and I wanted to pretend that was Amazon or eBay, actually,

0:57:11and be like, hey, I wanted to check on your--

0:57:13there was a problem on your shipment.

0:57:16And I wanted just making sure what was in the box.

0:57:19But then I didn't do it.

0:57:20I wanted to be surprised.

0:57:21So thank you, Steven.

0:57:22You're welcome.

0:57:24Please don't let the dogs eat it.

0:57:25Why is it called Smeka-Mek?

0:57:27I don't know.

0:57:29It's got a kiss on it.

0:57:31I let John Syracuse borrow it earlier.

0:57:33I don't know what happened.

0:57:35What is second place?

0:57:36Second place is better than third place.

0:57:41And I feel like second place really contains

0:57:46all the emotions of winning and losing.

0:57:49- Yeah.

0:57:50- So second place gets this lovely box

0:57:53and you think it's just a whole other prize then.

0:57:55- Oh come on, this isn't fair.

0:57:56- It is a floppy disk holder.

0:57:58- I can't get this home.

0:58:00This is clearly the third place.

0:58:02I have now this huge wooden box to deal with.

0:58:05- But think how many floppy disks you can store.

0:58:07(audience laughing)

0:58:08I can't get the little things back in.

0:58:09- I feel like you were always gonna give yourself

0:58:12what you wanted.

0:58:13Because last year-- - I kinda wanted the box,

0:58:15honestly. - Why don't you take it then?

0:58:17- 'Cause it's the second place prize,

0:58:18and I'm a winner. - I can't believe

0:58:19that it was actually a conspiracy against Myke.

0:58:21- After all this time. - All along.

0:58:23- So you get a lovely, I think handcrafted box.

0:58:26- You get it back. - Macintosh Plus

0:58:28inlay on the top. - You get it back.

0:58:29I'll take the dividers, you can have the box.

0:58:32- I can't. - Congratulations.

0:58:33- This will not go in my suitcase.

0:58:34- I have a Mac Pro to get home.

0:58:36- There is no way.

0:58:38- You can do it.

0:58:39The thing is, pack all your socks inside of it.

0:58:41That's how I did it to get it here.

0:58:42- That's actually a pretty good idea.

0:58:44- All your pants.

0:58:45- I don't know if my suitcase

0:58:46is literally deep enough for this.

0:58:48- You'll figure it out.

0:58:50And first place, I thought should have something

0:58:54to commemorate the news of WBC of the Mac

0:58:57and the iPad coming closer together.

0:59:00We have apps that can run on both.

0:59:01We need an adjudicator for prizes next year. You can't be trusted to buy prizes anymore.

0:59:05Jason Snell's agreeing with you, it's very troubling.

0:59:08Because you can just buy whatever and assign it to yourself in whatever order you want.

0:59:12So first place I thought should commemorate...

0:59:15You just buy the things you like.

0:59:16...the things that happen at WDC. So this is a three-part gift.

0:59:19It's a three-piece gift.

0:59:20You gave yourself three gifts?

0:59:22There are three of us!

0:59:24It's a three-piece enamel pen set. One, I couldn't find an iPad so it's an E-Mate 300.

0:59:29Exactly, and this is what you wanted it is a pen with Macintosh with the rainbow

0:59:35I mean off what you would want and then a really nice gold pin uh-huh with the rainbow Apple logo on it isn't that strange?

0:59:41I didn't know I was gonna win this frankly after after my

0:59:45Home Pod pick I thought I was doomed

0:59:48But here we are inspired against us the whole time

0:59:52Yeah, prices did not go over well this year you and Jason Snell look at the size of this box

0:59:57Last year you got a toilet trophy, but it was small

1:00:01Thanks for prizes dad

1:00:05Let's talk about the iPad mmm, okay, so about iPad OS it's pretty great. I got an OS so

1:00:14That was a you didn't expect that did you know no no not at all

1:00:19What I was actually the most surprised of anyone because I didn't know that it leaked out

1:00:23I didn't see that because apparently it leaked like 10 minutes before and everyone on Twitter knew and I wasn't reading Twitter

1:00:29Although I didn't see it. From a developer agreement

1:00:32Yeah, like so I I like screamed when it happened. I was so excited. Mm-hmm

1:00:38I would never have expected this. I don't I couldn't have imagined Apple ever doing it let alone doing it now

1:00:43So I think it's fantastic. So Federico they forked iOS. So it is did they?

1:00:49That's like question number one, right? Like what did they actually?

1:00:52I don't know if they went to GitHub and hit fork or not,

1:00:55but what it effectively means is the iPad

1:00:57is getting features that the iPhone won't.

1:01:00- But you can make the case that that was already happening.

1:01:03- Oh sure, I mean look at multitasking, right?

1:01:06That was never gonna come like crazy split screen business

1:01:08to the iPhone, but to me at least,

1:01:10it's not so much as a signifier of what's happened,

1:01:13but what will happen in the future.

1:01:15Because now, what happens at WBC where they talk about

1:01:19TV OS and iOS and everything else and skip iPad OS.

1:01:22That effectively happened last year.

1:01:24It was like, oh, the iOS 11 stuff is fine.

1:01:27Check back later.

1:01:29Maybe that indicates a renewed commitment.

1:01:32I think it does.

1:01:33Yeah.

1:01:33And I've seen folks get really upset about it's just

1:01:37a marketing name because they want to sell more iPads.

1:01:40Like this weird connection between--

1:01:42All names are marketing names when you think about it.

1:01:44And they do want to sell more things if you think about it.

1:01:46Sure.

1:01:47But--

1:01:47About all of it.

1:01:48I feel like there's enough, like I like the idea of sending the message that it's

1:01:53a unique enough platform that it deserves having its own name, but it's still at the

1:01:59very foundation of course it's iOS.

1:02:01And so I don't understand getting upset about the fact that it's iOS but this iPad

1:02:07OS name is sort of fake and it's just for the show.

1:02:10I feel like it's a good show.

1:02:12It's a good show.

1:02:13I watch that show.

1:02:14Also, you get all these features, right?

1:02:17Multi-window, split view, and drag and drop,

1:02:20and the full-size keyboard,

1:02:22all the things that the iPad has,

1:02:24and I feel that justifies having a separate dedicated name.

1:02:28- Yeah, and I think deserves the focus

1:02:32that that name has to give it, right?

1:02:35As you said, you can't say, "Oh, here's tvOS.

1:02:40"We're gonna do this,"

1:02:41and then just not talk about iPadOS.

1:02:43There's five platforms now.

1:02:44- It is a lot and that's something,

1:02:46that's a topic I wanna get into later this summer

1:02:48of like, it's a lot of stuff going on.

1:02:51But as someone who, that has not my primary computer,

1:02:55I like this news too because it shows

1:02:58that they're willing to be bold

1:03:00on what they're gonna do with the iPad.

1:03:02It felt for a really long time,

1:03:03I think it was true for a really long time

1:03:04until the last couple releases,

1:03:06that they had to play this balancing game

1:03:08between the iPad and iPhone.

1:03:09And I feel like Apple's kind of signifying,

1:03:11you know, we can take those shackles off the iPad

1:03:13And it can become what they really want it to be.

1:03:16And that's really exciting, because that's good for the rest of the ecosystem as well.

1:03:20Is there anything about iPadOS that you specifically want to touch on?

1:03:23Like, what are the things that you are the most excited about?

1:03:26Well, I think the multi-window stuff is really impressively done.

1:03:31I want to see how it shakes out in terms of discoverability.

1:03:34And this is something that was discussed on the talk show last night.

1:03:37For example, the idea of you enable all these features.

1:03:40you can have multiple windows for every app,

1:03:42and you can put the same app in multiple spaces.

1:03:45And you can have multiple apps or multiple windows

1:03:48for the same app in SlideOver, and you

1:03:49can cycle through them.

1:03:51And it's really quite the system when you look at it.

1:03:54And I think it enables so many new use cases in terms of not

1:03:59just seeing two documents up on screen at the same time,

1:04:03but really having multiple windows in different types

1:04:08of windows, even-- so SlideOver, SplitView, Spaces--

1:04:10and you have Exposé.

1:04:11So I think it'll be really fascinating to see

1:04:13how developers implement that.

1:04:16Files, I was really surprised to see the extent

1:04:19that they went with this upgrade.

1:04:22And basically, I was going through my wish list again,

1:04:24and essentially everything was addressed.

1:04:27Column view, metadata, quick look, the quick actions.

1:04:31You have zip and unzip.

1:04:32You have folder-based collaboration.

1:04:35You have external USB and SD access.

1:04:38You have file servers.

1:04:40And it seems like so far it's only SMB servers.

1:04:43Ideally, it should also be SFTP and all that kind of stuff,

1:04:45but we'll see.

1:04:47So that--

1:04:47What is an SMB server?

1:04:49Ask.

1:04:50Ask your friend.

1:04:51What is an SMB server?

1:04:53OK.

1:04:55And then Safari really got this massive update

1:05:00that they did this entire rework of what

1:05:05it means to have Safari as a desktop browser on iPad.

1:05:09You have all these websites that now work on Safari for I,

1:05:13but from Google Docs to YouTube.

1:05:15And you can actually choose the quality of the video in YouTube

1:05:18in Safari now.

1:05:20You have Netflix working in desktop Safari.

1:05:24And it's not just that, but you've got a download manager.

1:05:27So this is something that I learned today.

1:05:29When you download a file, you can

1:05:32choose if you want to-- by default,

1:05:34it goes into iCloud Drive/downloads.

1:05:37But you can choose any file provider

1:05:38to be your default downloads location.

1:05:41So you can put it in local storage,

1:05:43or you can put it in Dropbox.

1:05:44- The iPad's real good, right?

1:05:46- Yeah.

1:05:47- Isn't it nice? - Well, it's been good

1:05:48for a while. - But it's getting even gooder.

1:05:50- It's getting, yeah.

1:05:51And I'll tell you this, which actually,

1:05:54it's got all these new keyboard shortcuts.

1:05:59It's got this entirely reworked menu

1:06:02for Safari Reader and content blockers.

1:06:07It's been entirely rebuilt, and it's not just like flipping a switch

1:06:10and saying, "Okay, now it's desktop mode."

1:06:12But there was a lot of thought that went into adjusting the viewport for--

1:06:15- Do you know how stuff like--

1:06:19when you go on a website and you hover over a menu

1:06:21and a menu comes down, how are they dealing with that?

1:06:24- They try-- my understanding is that they try to avoid leaving the page

1:06:31so that a tap doesn't actually navigate to that element

1:06:34but shows you what the hover state would be,

1:06:37sort of like, how are you doing that?

1:06:39It was a lot of work, or so I've been told.

1:06:43- Something in between.

1:06:46- Yeah, somewhere in between,

1:06:47if there was only a word for that.

1:06:49I wanna talk quickly about shortcuts.

1:06:53- Oh, let's take a break.

1:06:56Let's take a break, then we'll talk about shortcuts.

1:06:58- Let's take a break.

1:06:59Maybe I'll get this one right.

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1:09:12So Federico, tell us about shortcuts.

1:09:17- Massive update that sadly didn't get the time

1:09:21that it deserved in the keynote.

1:09:23And I feel like maybe not enough people

1:09:27are talking about this now, and it kind of makes sense

1:09:28because the week of the conference,

1:09:31everybody's excited about the Mac Pro and iPadOS.

1:09:34But really, what they did with the shortcuts app

1:09:36is impressive.

1:09:37So it's now built into the system.

1:09:40And it's got this whole new editor.

1:09:42So the way that you actually create your shortcuts,

1:09:45if you want to put together a simple shortcut

1:09:48or a multi-step shortcut, the editor is all new.

1:09:51And it's based on this idea of getting rid of--

1:09:56There's a parallel in a way between ZwiftUI and the new shortcuts.

1:10:01ZwiftUI is pitched as a way to have way less code.

1:10:05And in a way, the new editor of shortcuts is a way to have way fewer actions,

1:10:09in the sense that all the previous input-based system,

1:10:13like doing the get variable stuff, that's gone.

1:10:17Basically every action now has a parameter.

1:10:20And that is a whole new deal with shortcuts in iOS 13,

1:10:24is to have a parameter-based system

1:10:26where in every action you can go in there

1:10:28and there's like a field,

1:10:30and you can say, "I want to have some text in here,"

1:10:33or "I want to pick a document," or "I want to pick a location."

1:10:36And it sort of looks like a natural language UI.

1:10:41It reminds me of when in Fantastical,

1:10:43when you're typing out a sentence

1:10:45and there's all those tokens that sort of fly out

1:10:48because they're recognized.

1:10:49When you're putting together an action,

1:10:51the new shortcuts, it sort of looks like that.

1:10:53You have this sentence that says, "Pick two photos,"

1:10:56and, you know, in a way that is structured

1:10:59that makes sense, visually speaking.

1:11:02And that saves a lot of time when putting together a shortcut.

1:11:06But that's not all, because this parameter-based system,

1:11:10it's also -- it's been opened up to developers.

1:11:13And so developers can now --

1:11:14And this is what we were talking about, having a shortcuts API.

1:11:17-Is that like a deep and open framework?

1:11:19-Yes, exactly. It's exactly like a deep and open framework.

1:11:21-I think that joke's so old, no one here got it.

1:11:24-No. -I feel very self-conscious.

1:11:26-Yeah. -John Voorhees got it.

1:11:28So, thanks, John.

1:11:30The thing about parameters is that by having a shortcuts API,

1:11:35even more so than before,

1:11:36if there's a missing feature from shortcuts,

1:11:38now developers can come in and say,

1:11:40"I actually offer this feature as a shortcut

1:11:42that supports inputs and outputs

1:11:45and lets users define these data items

1:11:49and that actually can support dynamic options.

1:11:52So that when you run a shortcut from a third-party app,

1:11:55and maybe that app wants to confirm something with you,

1:11:57it can bring up a list of items.

1:12:00And that sort of unlocks so many capabilities

1:12:03that were not possible before.

1:12:04So that's going to be super, I think,

1:12:07super interesting to see how developers plug into that.

1:12:09But basically, it's a replacement for URL schemes.

1:12:13It's a replacement for those crazy clipboard-based hacks

1:12:17that folks like James Thompson, for example,

1:12:19implemented in iOS 12.

1:12:21So that's awesome.

1:12:22They're also doing automation in the context of you

1:12:25can now run your shortcuts automatically on a schedule.

1:12:28There's a bunch of triggers that we published on Mac Stories

1:12:31today.

1:12:32You can run a shortcut when you leave a location,

1:12:34or when you arrive, when you connect to Wi-Fi or Bluetooth.

1:12:38And they support different types of execution.

1:12:41So some of them are automatic.

1:12:43They don't require confirmation.

1:12:44And some of them require confirmation

1:12:46through a notification.

1:12:49So something that I was thinking about today is Bluetooth is now a trigger.

1:12:56So when a Bluetooth device connects, run a shortcut.

1:13:02And the new accessibility stuff is also a series of actions.

1:13:07So there are now actions for turn on assistive touch, for example.

1:13:12You see where this is going?

1:13:13I do.

1:13:14One of your concerns with getting cursor support on iPad was,

1:13:20"Well, I don't want to leave AssistiveTouch enabled all the time

1:13:23because it leaves that floating circle thing on your screen."

1:13:27But what if you had a shortcut that says,

1:13:31"When this Bluetooth trackpad connects, turn on AssistiveTouch?"

1:13:36-Yes. -And by doing that --

1:13:37-It's like somebody thought about what I would want to do.

1:13:40-Yeah. -And then they fixed it for me.

1:13:42Yeah, so automatic triggers are going to be awesome.

1:13:45Thank you.

1:13:45Yeah, they're here.

1:13:46Thank you.

1:13:47They're listening.

1:13:49And finally, I want to talk about the gallery.

1:13:53Even more so than before, the thing

1:13:55that they're doing in iOS 13 is really

1:13:58what should have been all along.

1:13:59There's no more separation between Siri shortcuts

1:14:03and custom shortcuts in that all the shortcuts section

1:14:07from settings is gone.

1:14:09Everything is into the shortcuts app,

1:14:11- Which is better.

1:14:12- You don't, yes.

1:14:13You don't have to go in there and manage them

1:14:17or record phrases.

1:14:19You can just type a phrase, for example.

1:14:22All of your custom shortcuts automatically run

1:14:25when you just say their name.

1:14:27So you don't have to say, oh, this custom shortcut,

1:14:29I wanna sign a phrase to that.

1:14:31Everything has been so much--

1:14:32- Wow.

1:14:33- Everything is so much simpler than before.

1:14:35And there's not only that,

1:14:38but because now shortcuts is built into the system.

1:14:40So let's say that you're adding a Siri shortcut from Peacock.

1:14:46And actually, James Thompson maybe

1:14:49has done the work to support parameters.

1:14:51But maybe you don't like the default state

1:14:53of that Siri shortcut.

1:14:54You can go in there, and before you add it to Siri--

1:14:58which, by the way, does not require speaking the phrase.

1:15:01You can just type the phrase.

1:15:02You can customize that shortcut before you add it to Siri.

1:15:06And the UI that you get--

1:15:08and remember, you're still in Peacock.

1:15:10But the UI that you get for customizing the shortcut

1:15:12is the shortcuts editor.

1:15:14- Oh, this is cool.

1:15:14- So the shortcuts editor is now a feature

1:15:16across the system because it's built into the system.

1:15:19- Oh, that's awesome.

1:15:22- Thank you shortcuts.

1:15:23- Thank you shortcuts.

1:15:24- Wow.

1:15:25- Go on then.

1:15:31- A lot of episodes we're talking about shortcuts.

1:15:33You may imagine what I'm doing and now you just saw it.

1:15:35I'm just sort of staring.

1:15:37- Like playing into the distance.

1:15:38I gotta play the Mac card just for a second.

1:15:41I know we're getting close on time.

1:15:42But spending some time with the Mac Pro this week,

1:15:45talking to the team behind it.

1:15:47- Look at me. - It's not a hug.

1:15:49- I got to touch it.

1:15:51- I didn't know that you can't touch it.

1:15:52I was not allowed to touch it.

1:15:53- I got to look at it with my own.

1:15:54- I was walking out of the place

1:15:55and some guy at his hand in the band said,

1:15:57"What happened?"

1:15:57He said, "I touched the handle and they,

1:15:59"choo!"

1:15:59- They closed it and then all my fingers fell off.

1:16:02- Well, it was very messy.

1:16:04I think what the Mac,

1:16:06we're gonna talk more about the Mac Pro.

1:16:07Of course, go listen to ATP this week.

1:16:09They did an excellent job, as you may imagine,

1:16:10talking about this.

1:16:12But the biggest thing for me with the Mac Pro

1:16:15is that Apple has put a stake in the ground,

1:16:19sort of back in the high levels of creativity

1:16:22and creative professional work.

1:16:25If you think about where the Mac strong suit has been,

1:16:28I mean, over the decades, you know,

1:16:31in the '90s it was print publishing,

1:16:34You know, Jason Snell's cranking up magazines

1:16:36on his, you know, Performa or whatever.

1:16:38I don't know.

1:16:41Macworld didn't have much money, he just had a Performa.

1:16:43It was very sad.

1:16:44- 2004.

1:16:45- And it moved to a lot of web design

1:16:49and web development later on.

1:16:50And now you do see Macs in these really high end

1:16:54audio and video production houses.

1:16:56But people were stringing multiple Macs together,

1:16:58it was kind of messy.

1:16:59And Apple has solved that problem.

1:17:02That doesn't necessarily mean they've solved

1:17:03my problem as a podcaster or your problem as a developer,

1:17:06although I think the Mac Pro is flexible enough

1:17:08to meet many people's needs.

1:17:10There's obviously a larger conversation to have--

1:17:12- Surprise, isn't.

1:17:13- About the display.

1:17:14But wherever you land on that continuum,

1:17:18I'm just excited as a Mac nerd to know

1:17:20that they have something at the very high end

1:17:23to keep the Mac relevant in those markets.

1:17:26I might not play in those markets myself,

1:17:28but they're important for Apple to have those customers,

1:17:31and I think that's great.

1:17:32- It's also nice if you use an iMac or even an iMac Pro

1:17:35to know what the future's gonna look like for you.

1:17:37- Absolutely, I mean clearly things like Afterburner

1:17:39aren't gonna come to the iMac Pro, I don't think.

1:17:42Things like the MPX dual GPU module, they're not gonna--

1:17:45- Why don't they just make the iMac really big?

1:17:48Like just really big.

1:17:49- Like the eMac used to be?

1:17:50- Yeah, it just keeps going.

1:17:52- It'd be great.

1:17:53It's on the desk, who cares how thin it is?

1:17:55- Exactly.

1:17:55- But--

1:17:56- It depends how close your desk is to the wall.

1:17:58- Is that a huge concern?

1:18:01It would be if you had to move your desk.

1:18:02How tiny is your office?

1:18:03Your office is named Mega Office.

1:18:05I live in London, man.

1:18:06That room.

1:18:06The mega's a joke.

1:18:07[LAUGHTER]

1:18:10So it's exciting to be a Mac user.

1:18:12I think even if this isn't the machine for you--

1:18:14and it's not for most people, honestly--

1:18:16I think that it's cool that it exists.

1:18:18And I can't wait for Jon to buy one.

1:18:21Jon looks very nervous on the front row.

1:18:24Come on, then.

1:18:25Steven, can you go please sit in the audience?

1:18:28[LAUGHTER]

1:18:31Take your phone, go sit in the audience, please.

1:18:33He's done with you now.

1:18:35Do I need a microphone?

1:18:36Uh, if you want.

1:18:37Can I take one?

1:18:38Yeah, sure.

1:18:39I want to feel like I'm still a part of this thing.

1:18:41Michael, close your iPad.

1:18:43So, Myke.

1:18:44Yeah.

1:18:45Why are we here?

1:18:47This week.

1:18:51For WWDC.

1:18:55Mm-hmm.

1:18:56What, uh...

1:18:59There's a conference going on, right?

1:19:03What does the convention center look like this year?

1:19:06It has neon on it.

1:19:08For what?

1:19:09Emoji.

1:19:10Dark mode.

1:19:11Hey.

1:19:12Hi.

1:19:13This is my section.

1:19:14It's nice to see you out there, actually.

1:19:15You know, somebody in the audience here today almost figured it out.

1:19:25There's a lot of people out there, actually.

1:19:28mentioned emoji okay hmm did we ever do an episode about emoji yes hmm

1:19:37Stephen what do you have in your notes I have Federico's surprise if you don't

1:19:43want to know what that is the words that you wrote down I wrote down Chicago be

1:19:47said that not why was Chicago ever brought up is it you just wanted to just

1:19:54say the pizza was bad? Was that all that was? Yes. I just needed to... I have Chicago, I

1:20:04have THE baker, and I have the word likes. So we did an episode about emoji. What was

1:20:12about? Weird fish. Write down weird fish.

1:20:18What do you have so far, Steven? Puerto Rico surprise. Chicago. The baker likes

1:20:31weird fish. Folks, it is time to open Safari. Everybody in the audience and at

1:20:36At home, right?

1:20:37At home.

1:20:39So if this was a, let's say, a place on the internet--

1:20:43Can I open Safari, or am I still looking at Next?

1:20:44Yeah.

1:20:45Put it together.

1:20:45What do you think that goes?

1:20:47Thebakerlikesweirdfish.com?

1:20:50Yeah, try dot com.

1:20:51Thebakerlikesweirdfish.com.

1:20:53You could have chose a shorter--

1:20:54Can you tell me, Steven, what do you see

1:20:56when you type that domain?

1:20:56I'm still typing.

1:20:57Yeah, that might not have got it right yet.

1:21:00Thebakerlikesweirdfish.com.

1:21:02It is the Emojipedia page for Microbe.

1:21:06What microbe microbe mm-hmm, and there's a link that says connected listeners

1:21:11Here is your long-awaited surprise if I tap this what happens wait did that go to Emoji PD?

1:21:19Yes, so Jeremy's involved

1:21:21I'm gonna tap on it now. Don't say what you see just look at it. Oh

1:21:28Oh, no

1:21:33>> I get to do it. >> For those not here, Federico is taking off his jacket. Myke looks. >> He has so

1:21:43many bracelets on, he literally cannot take his jacket off. Your jury has failed you. >> Taking

1:21:53off his jacket. >> I want you to look at my arm and see what I got. >> I'm going to take

1:21:59and see what I got.

1:22:01I've been keeping this a secret for three months.

1:22:10So, he'd...

1:22:11Wait!

1:22:12Wait! No, wait!

1:22:14Because we need to go to the extent at which you kept this secret.

1:22:17Hang on, hang on, Myke.

1:22:18Is that a lie?

1:22:19Yes.

1:22:20He told me...

1:22:21Oh my God.

1:22:22...that he had to go to the doctor...

1:22:25Terrible person.

1:22:25...to get a skin biopsy.

1:22:27[laughter]

1:22:31Right?

1:22:32No, it's worse than that, Myke.

1:22:34He told us he was getting a skin biopsy to help future patients.

1:22:38Yes!

1:22:39[laughter]

1:22:40Federico has a-- I love you so much.

1:22:45In case you have not been and seen this picture,

1:22:48Federico has the microbe emoji tattooed on his bicep.

1:22:54I love you.

1:22:56That's our show, I guess.

1:22:58[applause]

1:23:00I forgive him for the lies.

1:23:06[applause]

1:23:08Oh my god.

1:23:12Oh my god.

1:23:14Yeah, you can, you can. Go away.

1:23:16You just go.

1:23:18Look at it again? We're sending him away.

1:23:20I haven't seen it. Let me see it.

1:23:22Wow. You're still a terrible person.

1:23:24terrible person. Everybody give a hand. [Applause] >> Wow. >> I don't know what happened the last

1:23:30hour and a half. I feel like we should apologize. I have like friends here from home and I told

1:23:49them like we have this funny tech show. I don't think it was tech or funny.

1:23:53People were laughing. I mean they might have been being kind but they were laughing.

1:23:58So a couple things to wrap up. First of all I'd like to thank everyone who made this

1:24:04show possible. I'd like to thank our sponsors Astropad Studio, MaxxStadium, Instabug.

1:24:09Give them one more hand.

1:24:17I'd like to thank the Hammer Theatre. Anthony and his staff here are amazing. I've told them this. We do shows all over the country.

1:24:24This is my favorite theater to work with. It's my favorite show of the year. Please give the Hammer Theatre a hand.

1:24:29I'd like to thank our volunteers who helped make tonight possible. So Marco Arment is up in the sound booth.

1:24:45I know from my experience Monday night Marco is very sweaty

1:24:49So just stay up there till we clear out and we'll be good and also our friend Spencer is here

1:24:56Spencer's behind the scenes of a lot of our events in California an

1:25:00Amazing human being I made the joke earlier that he's the nicest guy on the internet, but he's not on Twitter

1:25:06So he's the nicest guy off the internet

1:25:08Sorry gray

1:25:10But Spencer's our photographer tonight, so if you see images we're sharing they came from him

1:25:15and thank you, seriously.

1:25:17[applause]

1:25:23But, uh, you, me, yeah, Stephen, did I get another Mac Pro?

1:25:28They gave me a computer the other night.

1:25:30I didn't get you anything. [laughter]

1:25:33He does an amazing amount of work to put these things together,

1:25:36and I'm very proud of him. Thank you for making this happen again.

1:25:40You bet.

1:25:42[Applause]

1:25:44We have a live show coming up in San Francisco in August.

1:25:51We do.

1:25:53So this year, believe it or not, Relay FM turns five years old.

1:25:57[Applause]

1:25:59Are you going to cry?

1:26:01[Applause]

1:26:03Myke's going to cry. Back up a second.

1:26:05Five years ago at WWDC is when we decided to do this thing.

1:26:08this thing. We've been talking about it. We talked to guys like Jason and some other people

1:26:15about our idea. And Myke came to Memphis after WWDC and we did the original sort of beginnings

1:26:21of the company at my house in Memphis five years ago. And if you had told us then where

1:26:28Relay would be now, we would not have believed you. And it's not because of us. As great

1:26:34as, as Myke is, and as great as Federico used to be, and, and all of our hosts,

1:26:40every talented person that's on Relay, none of that would matter if no one

1:26:46listened. And from the bottom of our collective heart at Relay FM, thank you

1:26:51for listening for the last five years. We won't, we literally would not be here

1:26:56without you. So thank you.

1:27:03I can't say anything.

1:27:04You're just crying?

1:27:05What am I going to be like in August?

1:27:07You're going to have to mop you off the stage.

1:27:10So we will be in San Francisco in August

1:27:13for our fifth anniversary show.

1:27:14We're going to have a lot of hosts there.

1:27:16So if you're in the area, we'd love to see you.

1:27:19But seriously, thank you so much for listening.

1:27:22Thank you for tuning into Connected every week.

1:27:24If you don't do that anymore, I understand.

1:27:29I can't.

1:27:30You can't listen anymore?

1:27:32Yeah. Thank you everybody. Have a wonderful rest of your week.

1:27:37We'll see you around San Jose. Thank you.

1:27:38[APPLAUSE]

1:27:41[ Applause ]