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0:00:02- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 242.
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0:00:18I'm your host, Stephen Hackett, and I am joined
0:00:20because it is an even episode.
0:00:21He is going first, Mr. Federico Vittucci.
0:00:24- Hello, Stephen Hackett, how are you?
0:00:26- I'm doing well.
0:00:27We're back.
0:00:28We're talking before we hit record.
0:00:30May is a weird time in our world
0:00:32because WBC is like coming, it's on the horizon, looming.
0:00:36But May is like sometimes it's quiet,
0:00:38sometimes it's busy, and at least this week,
0:00:40it's very busy, so I'm excited to get into this.
0:00:44- May is sort of like a fake summer month.
0:00:47Like you can tell that it's almost summer,
0:00:49but it's not, but it's warmer than spring,
0:00:52at least in Italy, so it's like fake summer.
0:00:54I don't like it.
0:00:55It's like, it's a countdown to summer.
0:00:58and it just makes me anxious for the actual,
0:01:02for the true summer to arrive.
0:01:03- The days count down, the temperature ticks up.
0:01:06- Yeah, yeah.
0:01:08- We are also joined by Myke Hurley.
0:01:11- Take your time.
0:01:12- Oh yeah, the other guy.
0:01:14- I'll just sit here and wait.
0:01:15You guys sit and talk about the weather for a minute.
0:01:17Solid minute.
0:01:18- I think it would be fun when episode,
0:01:20well I'm ruining it now,
0:01:20but if I just didn't introduce one of y'all
0:01:22and in the second topic we jumped in.
0:01:25Like Federico, what do you think about this?
0:01:27Maybe that's a trick for the live show. Just come out, sit in silence on the stage,
0:01:33waiting, just waiting. Or maybe under the table and then you just pop up. Or we shoot you out of
0:01:38a cannon and you appear in the second topic. Sure, why not. I feel like we have insurance for that.
0:01:43Maybe that's my surprise. I need to call the theater, can y'all give me a minute?
0:01:52We spoke about the end of Aperture and Myke, you wanted to hear from people who were still
0:01:58using Aperture and you have a page and a half in the Google doc to now enter into the record.
0:02:03Yep, I made a promise. I asked listeners to write in if they're still using Aperture and if they did,
0:02:11I would mention them. So they did and so here they are. This is like
0:02:14a complete roll call of the rest of Aperture's user base. We have Matthew Carbone who is a pro
0:02:21photographer who's kept an Aputure library until last week. Ben Cardy is using Aputure
0:02:30because he doesn't want to have everything in his iCloud photo library and doesn't want a
0:02:36subscription product. Ben Cardy also, he should have used Cardy B honestly. He should. Why Ben?
0:02:45Do you want to try and say it? I was about to try and say it but I can't roll my R's and then
0:02:51too embarrassed. Okay? You don't know Cardi B's catchphrase? Oh, I'm the coolest. Don't
0:02:59worry everyone, I'm the coolest. Yes, okay. Well, I know the songs, I just don't know
0:03:03the characters. She has a specific catchphrase, so now I am the coolest of all of us. Martin
0:03:07Kuhn is a current user of Aperture and is saddened by the slow decline of the app. I mean,
0:03:12it's dead now, Martin. Oh, that's so sad. I really like this version. Version one was terrible,
0:03:17Version two was quite tolerable.
0:03:19Version three was true joy.
0:03:20I've never heard of this app, but Martin is moving to an app called Lunina by Skylum Software.
0:03:28I don't know this application.
0:03:30Steph has been using Aperture for over 10 years with thousands of e-commerce product photos.
0:03:36And the reason that Steph uses Aperture is to keep them out of the photo library.
0:03:41Which I get that, right?
0:03:43Like if it's like a separate place, that's the problem with moving to something like photos is
0:03:48if you're a professional, like that is not an option because then you end up with just all this
0:03:53crap in your iCloud photo library, right? Like it's just stuff that you don't want.
0:03:56Or you can set up multiple photos libraries. You can pull the option key when it launches and
0:04:02create or choose a different library, but that gets, I'd imagine the overhead on that, like the
0:04:06mental overhead is pretty bad. It's like, Oh no, what library am I in? And moving things back and
0:04:12and forth between them would be a pain.
0:04:14So yeah, it's not, I hadn't really considered this use of Aperture and like a bunch of these
0:04:18people mentioned it that they're using it to like hide photos from iCloud.
0:04:21It's pretty interesting.
0:04:22After receiving this tweet, I decided I want to change my name.
0:04:26This tweet comes from Tristan Wedgebury, which is just what a name, right?
0:04:31Tristan Wedgebury?
0:04:33Yes.
0:04:34Wonderful.
0:04:35Tristan is now looking at a thing called On One Photo as a replacement.
0:04:40I've never heard of this application.
0:04:42One of the reasons that I included these tweets
0:04:44is because there are these applications I've never
0:04:45heard of before, and I thought maybe it
0:04:47would be helpful for people.
0:04:48Sam Rubin says, "I still use Aperture.
0:04:51I hate it, but I pay for it once.
0:04:54So my brain won't let me stop using it until it breaks."
0:04:57So really, Apple has freed Sam from the shackles
0:05:01of his own brain, which I guess is a good thing.
0:05:03And Jordan's dad uses Aperture, but he
0:05:09wrote in to let us know that again similarly why didn't the dad writing I
0:05:14don't know Jordan you need to get your dad to listen to connected I guess you
0:05:18especially can now because he has been explicitly mentioned I don't have
0:05:22Jordan's dad's name Jones that well I mean what what is this follow-up for
0:05:26your parents like doesn't make any sense this is kids follow-ups when Steven does
0:05:32follow up is follow up for your parents well we need to get Jordan's dad on the
0:05:36show properly. I think we might be going a little bit too far there. Maybe Joram's death
0:05:43is my surprise. Who knows? Now that would be almost like prestige level. Creepy. Consider
0:05:54we're still in my section of follow-up, I want to talk about the Galaxy Fold again.
0:05:58Are we still doing this? Myke you need to let it go honestly. No, no, no, you know why I won't let
0:06:03it go because Samsung won't let it go either. They have released, they contacted all of the pre-order
0:06:09customers. Remember I mentioned this, that they were going to contact pre-order customers? The reason
0:06:13they're doing this by the way is because there's some like US regulation where they have to, like
0:06:17they can't just leave these people just like out there. Basically they've said they cannot give
0:06:22any estimate on when it's going to ship and they are giving these customers until May 31st to
0:06:27confirm if they want to keep their pre-orders otherwise they'll refund them. I would also like
0:06:32to know from anybody who is going to keep their pre-order. If there is anyone out there in our
0:06:38audience that has pre-ordered a Galaxy Fold and is going to keep that pre-order, I want to give you
0:06:43like a medal, right? Because like your belief in Samsung, that's kind of a belief that I want in
0:06:50my life, but I'm still holding out hope because my my feelings remain that Samsung, they do it,
0:06:56they will do everything they can to ship this product no matter what happens, but...
0:07:01This has become your air power, Myke.
0:07:04100%, yes.
0:07:06Yes.
0:07:07That is true.
0:07:08I have a question, though, about the metal.
0:07:10What if one of your parents ordered a Galaxy Fold?
0:07:14I can't let it go.
0:07:15It has to be you.
0:07:16And I will give you a metal that can fold in half
0:07:21and will immediately break.
0:07:22This made of plastic.
0:07:24It will fold once, and it will immediately break,
0:07:26like all metals.
0:07:28OK.
0:07:28So do you think this is ever actually happening?
0:07:30Yep.
0:07:31This is really, you still believe at some point, right?
0:07:34It's going to happen at some point.
0:07:35But, but what I'm asking is, do you think this phone in like the next six months,
0:07:41there will be a phone called the galaxy.
0:07:43I believe there will be a phone called the galaxy fault that releases in 2019.
0:07:48It might look a little bit different.
0:07:51It has to look a little bit different to this, but that you will be able to point
0:07:54it and be like, that was that phone.
0:07:56That's what I believe.
0:07:59I just don't know. I can't make up my mind. I just I don't know. I just don't know.
0:08:05It's just going to have a little like piece of rubber that goes over it. Although just
0:08:09ship it with a case and like please don't take out the case like something right like
0:08:13just whatever. But they'll find a way. Love finds a way.
0:08:18The Powerbeats Pro are out. People are reviewing them. People seem happy with them. So I know
0:08:25Nine to five, I spent some time with them.
0:08:27Rene Ritchie had a video about them,
0:08:29I think yesterday or today,
0:08:31and it seems like it's pretty much what we expected.
0:08:35They're kind of bigger and bulkier than AirPods,
0:08:37but you get really good battery life.
0:08:40And I think the thing that I've been most surprised with
0:08:42or most impressed with is people seem to really like
0:08:45the way they sound.
0:08:46And I think I probably come to beats with the idea
0:08:51or like the memory that the audio was really bad in the early days.
0:08:57Like just bass heavy and not accurate and it seems like, I don't know if that's still
0:09:01true, but it seems like these at least when compared to the AirPods are getting favorable
0:09:06reviews and I think that's exciting.
0:09:08I think it's cool to have options using this technology.
0:09:10One of my favorite things that I've read about this came from Zach Hall at 9to5Mac who did
0:09:16their kind of like hands on impressions and he's talking about how he thinks that they
0:09:20sound better than AirPods and he says it's kind of like when AirPods when you press each
0:09:25earphone into your ears with your finger it sounds like that except you don't have to
0:09:30press them in.
0:09:31Which is a really good way to test if you're gonna like the sound.
0:09:35Because you know if you push they sound better right because the isolation is better.
0:09:41That's what these are like.
0:09:44And the Powerbeats Pro come with I think three or four different sized tips so you can actually
0:09:49get a good fit in your ear. Like for me the AirPods fit okay they could fit better but they don't fall
0:09:54out but anytime you can seal more of the air off on the outside they are going to sound better and
0:10:01more full and this is a way to do that you know without having to hot glue them in. So they don't
0:10:07have wireless charging I don't know if that was something we knew or not I don't remember but
0:10:12but they did. Yeah. Um, but they get nine hours of battery life between charges and
0:10:18the AirPods get five and it's just cause they're bigger, right? You could put a bigger battery
0:10:21in it, but so that is convenient. The case looks massive though, like way too big for
0:10:25a pocket. Yeah, it's big. I think, I think it is too big for, for a pocket. And I mean
0:10:32that the power beats pro are bigger cause they have like the ear loop. What does that
0:10:36thing have a name? Let's just call it an ear loop. I think it's called the ear. Call it
0:10:42an ear loop. Maybe a hook. Yeah, I'll go with that too. That sounds like I don't want a
0:10:46hook in my ear. Would you want a loop in your ear? Why is a loop better than a... Well, a
0:10:49loop over the ear is better than a hook through the ear, as Ben Franklin said. It's not a
0:10:55hook through the ear, they're not piercing your ears. No one said that. You could put
0:11:00it, it's over the ear. You said through. You said through. Yeah. I'm sorry. They're called
0:11:08ear hooks. Adjustable secure ear hooks for lightweight comfort and stability. On the
0:11:14Apple's website it doesn't say anything about going in.
0:11:17Were you thinking of Captain Hook? A little bit, to be honest.
0:11:21Captain Ear hooks. What's that like? I don't know man. That would be like super
0:11:29strange hand. It's like an air pod. No, like a power beat on the end of his wrist.
0:11:34No, it's just a human ear on the end of his finger.
0:11:38Oh God, that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. That's not how Captain
0:11:43Hook works.
0:11:44Okay, can we talk about controls? Let's bring this back on track.
0:11:47No, we should talk about how they're not available in Italy.
0:11:50They're not available in the UK either. I think it's US only right now.
0:11:53Is it US only?
0:11:54Yes, I was waiting because 9to5Mac said they were going to be available for pre-order Friday,
0:12:01I think. But maybe I didn't read it. Maybe they didn't mention it. But I was waiting
0:12:06Friday. I haven't been able to find any information
0:12:09about this Federica I've been looking. Yeah.
0:12:12I was reading all the articles. No one's saying it's in the US only, but it seems like you
0:12:16cannot order it. So the black is all that's available now anywhere and the other colors
0:12:21are coming soon. But outside of the US, it's in the Apple Store app, but it just won't
0:12:26let me add it to the bag. And then it says delivery coming soon.
0:12:29coming soon yeah and like so in the United States the three colors say the
0:12:36same thing coming soon but the black don't ship until the middle of June so
0:12:43well I think you might have just missed the window maybe maybe the people are
0:12:47going crazy with it they're not many of them or whatever but it's not this is
0:12:51not a product you can just walk into an Apple store and buy right now is what
0:12:54we're saying anywhere this is gonna be a Federico Vittucci Apple store purchase
0:12:59us in San Jose I think. Absolutely. I think that's happening. I need to surprise Sylvia with them.
0:13:07I'm sure she doesn't listen to the show so you know she just doesn't care about my podcasts.
0:13:13No it's kind of sad sometimes right that feeling? Of your family not caring about your job? Yes it
0:13:20is. Yeah like so Idina listens to a few of my shows but like I have she listens to Analog
0:13:28and cortex i think i think that's it oh and i'm genius just so ingenious too yes i got one um
0:13:35sorry federico she's completely uninterested in anything that we do together yeah but that's good
0:13:41because it means we can keep our relationship secret uh so i have friends of mine who tell me
0:13:47that their parents listen to their shows right yeah jordan's dad's listening right now yeah
0:13:52Exactly. And I think to myself, like, my mum has never shown any, literally any interest.
0:13:59Like she loves it. She's very excited. She always wants to know what I'm doing,
0:14:02but she's never once like said to me, I would like to listen to that. Never. It's never come up.
0:14:10Yeah. I mentioned my mum before she tries to use Google translate to read my stories.
0:14:15And she always asks what I'm doing. Like whenever I say I'm busy, she always asks,
0:14:21Did something happen? Like, nothing happened. I'm just working.
0:14:26Well, she knows what you're like. You know, at any moment you could say, "Oh, my arm fell
0:14:31off or something." Because that's just how you are to your poor, poor, poor, poor mother.
0:14:35Yeah. Well...
0:14:36My mom did tell me the other day, she just sent me a text message and she's like, "Oh,
0:14:40nice new picture." I'm like, "What are you talking about?" She's like, "Your Twitter
0:14:43avatar." And I was like, "Oh, no. What is happening now?"
0:14:47She's following you. My mom follows me. My mom follows me.
0:14:50Does she?
0:14:51My mom doesn't have a Twitter account.
0:14:53So I got a little upset when she started following me because then I realized, you know, people are gonna follow you back because they're gonna realize, you know, people can be creepy.
0:15:02So I think she stopped following me, but she still gets notifications from Twitter via email.
0:15:07Did you get unfollowed by your mother?
0:15:09Yeah, I told her to unfollow me.
0:15:11What's worse?
0:15:12I mean, I told her to unfollow me.
0:15:14But she still receives highlights from Twitter via email.
0:15:18Oh.
0:15:19Yeah, it's like she gets like, Federica Vitti, she tweeted and like it's some stupid screenshot
0:15:26from some shortcut that I did. She's like, what is that? What is that photo that you
0:15:31shared? It's like, it's not a photo, man.
0:15:34I think my mom just just types my name into Google. I think that's what happens. And then
0:15:39just like, because she'll tell me things every now and then. And I'm like, what is happening?
0:15:44Like what do you know about this?
0:15:45For a while my mom just had twitter.com/ismh bookmarked in Firefox.
0:15:50She didn't have a Twitter account.
0:15:52She just went to my Twitter page.
0:15:54If you google Myke Hurley I can imagine your mom saying, "Ah, so you're the co-founder
0:15:59of Relay FM and that British guy you keep hearing on podcasts."
0:16:03Oh my god, I didn't even say that.
0:16:05Oh, that's right there.
0:16:06On the Relay FM.
0:16:07On the Relay website?
0:16:08Is that what it says?
0:16:10Okay, so they're not in Italy.
0:16:12They're only here and they're not really here.
0:16:15I do want to talk about the controls.
0:16:17So the AirPods, right, you just talk to them now
0:16:19or you tap them and some sort of SOS code
0:16:22and things happen.
0:16:24But the PowerBeats Pro are basically covered in buttons.
0:16:27There's volume buttons, the big B button on the side
0:16:32does something, it's like basically a keyboard
0:16:35attached to your face.
0:16:36And I don't know how I feel about that.
0:16:38On one hand, if I think about, these are, you know,
0:16:42I guess designed or it's supposed to be used while you're working out and maybe your hands
0:16:47are sweaty.
0:16:48You could just like hit a button and not have to worry about anything touch sensitive or
0:16:53tapping.
0:16:54You wouldn't be hitting a button, right?
0:16:56You would have to like, so you couldn't, I bet you can't just tap it.
0:17:00You'd have to like support it with your thumb underneath and then press it.
0:17:03Just smash it into your ear.
0:17:05I mean, that's what your head's there for.
0:17:06I guess it's what the ear hooks for, right?
0:17:09It won't come out.
0:17:10Yeah.
0:17:11That's what the ear hooks for.
0:17:12there. It goes right in, that's why you put it in. Is this really better than the
0:17:16AirPods though? I don't know, it's definitely just different. No, it's
0:17:20different. I think it's, like the AirPods being touch sensitive is good,
0:17:25but you have to do the thing where you hit yourself on the side of the head,
0:17:29which I don't enjoy. Well, is it really hitting yourself in the, like, that's a
0:17:33bit of an exaggeration. It's not like you're punching yourself. I don't like the feeling of tapping the thing into my ear, I just don't like the way it feels.
0:17:40feels. It feels like brutal, like in a way that... Like a medical examination? It's just
0:17:46like I don't feel like I should have to personally feel when I'm interacting with my technology.
0:17:52Like I don't want my body to have to feel another feeling other than just my finger
0:17:57tapping a thing. Well you obviously don't wear an Apple Watch anymore, so that's obvious.
0:18:02Well no but that's the pleasant thing, right? It's like imagine if, imagine if you're holding
0:18:07your phone and every time you tap something on your phone your phone kind of poked you
0:18:12right in the other hand right no one would want that like that's not what you want and
0:18:17that's kind of what the AirPods are like.
0:18:19The AirPods are not poking you, you're fucking them.
0:18:20No but it's like you feel the the force right of the tap because I feel like if I ever tap
0:18:25it to the level of that I want it never does anything so you have to like you have to give
0:18:29it a thunk.
0:18:30It's unpleasant it's unpleasant okay okay but it's still better than though like supporting
0:18:36That's it, right? It's like, yeah, the physical buttons is good, but then it's not as convenient.
0:18:42It's a thing you have to spend more mental energy doing.
0:18:49Because you can get it wrong because you have multiple buttons that are tiny. I guess maybe
0:18:56that requires more attention too. Although with the tapping on the AirPods, I have them set up
0:19:01up to the same thing because I can never remember what I had set on the right one
0:19:05and what I had set on the left one. You can't set them I know I know everyone's
0:19:09gonna write and tell us how perfect and 100% hit rate that they have with this
0:19:13but I don't. You can't set them as different things because that's too much.
0:19:16I also very regularly only use one. Oh okay well then that's a bigger problem.
0:19:20This is gonna make me sound old but all of these controls are never gonna beat
0:19:24the inline controls on the wired headphones. It's never gonna be better.
0:19:28You're not wrong. That was an ingenious solution.
0:19:31The way that that thing was shaped, right, when they put the divot in the middle of it,
0:19:36right, like, you're never gonna beat that.
0:19:40I have never, ever used those.
0:19:42What? How?
0:19:43I never figured out what they did. I can never remember what the...
0:19:47Yeah, I swear.
0:19:49I believe you.
0:19:49I never, ever used those controls. I just couldn't... I never got it right. Like,
0:19:55I was constantly fiddling with the little plastic thing and I could never
0:19:59tell like I would just take the the earbuds off because it was easier. But
0:20:04then you never paused anything? I was never pausing man, never. I'm stopped. The world can stop, I ain't stopping.
0:20:13I can one-up the inline wired remote with the all-time best remote for playback.
0:20:23I'm putting it in the chatroom now. Is this a iPod the Hi-Fi? What is this? No, no, the
0:20:30iPod wired remote. Oh no, I knew you were gonna say this. I have one of these. I
0:20:34didn't like this thing because you had to physically clip it to yourself. What
0:20:37is this? What is this? It went in the top of the iPod with the iPod accessory port
0:20:42so like the... Hey, this isn't the legit one is it? Third and fourth gen. This is it.
0:20:48Third and fourth gen. I mean the description of this is totally wrong but
0:20:52it went to the third and fourth gen iPod.
0:20:54So I used one of these, I had my iPod in my car,
0:20:57and I ran this right behind the gear shift
0:21:00so I could just like reach down
0:21:01and skip a track very easily without looking.
0:21:05And then the headphone jack went into the stereo.
0:21:07It was great.
0:21:08This was peak music control.
0:21:10- Yeah, I didn't like it
0:21:11'cause you had to clip this onto yourself.
0:21:12So you had so many, you had just so much cable.
0:21:16Like just so much cable.
0:21:17- Yeah, it's like a mile long with a lot of cable.
0:21:19- This shipped with a shorter headphone cable, right?
0:21:23- Maybe, I'm not sure. - I think it did.
0:21:27- Anyways, that was peak iPod control, in my opinion.
0:21:30- Before we move on, I have some secret,
0:21:34unannounced follow-up that I say
0:21:37does a surprise for you too.
0:21:38But no, you both know what I'm about to say,
0:21:41it's just, it's not in the document.
0:21:44I gave it a honest try for three months, maybe more,
0:21:49I'm done with Evernote. I'm out.
0:21:54Are we just playing the hits at this point? Is that what this podcast has become?
0:21:59We just play the hits now, we're like Evernote, ah, and then soon photo sharing is gonna get killed again.
0:22:04Like, what are we doing?
0:22:06Look, I'm on the record as I'm gonna rediscover, I'm gonna give Evernote another chance.
0:22:14I'm gonna try it again. I wrote it on Club Max Stories and I believed in that
0:22:19experiment so much I put it on Max Stories for free for everybody. And I
0:22:26said I'm gonna try for a few months, I'm gonna move all of my notes into
0:22:29Avernote and I'm gonna see how it goes. There's a lot of potential here. The
0:22:33company CEO promised that we're gonna be faster with updates in January, so it's
0:22:40May and it's just driving me crazy in the sense that when I open the app on my
0:22:47iPhone or my iPad Pro it always hangs and just isn't unresponsive like it does
0:22:57not receive touch input. Well because it's one of those applications that you know everything is a
0:23:02WebView. Yes. Right. So if it's been a while since the last time that I used
0:23:07Evernote like, I don't know, like an hour ago, and then I reopen Evernote. It's, it
0:23:13doesn't do anything. It just stops responding to anything. I need to force-quit the app
0:23:19and reopen the app. But when I reopen the app, it still shows me the previous view and
0:23:24then it like crashes. Like it manages to empty the cache or whatever, and then I can use
0:23:31it. And that like, I've so many occasions I wanted to save a quick thought and it just
0:23:38didn't work. Like, I was wasting minutes trying to select like a note from a list and scroll
0:23:46back like it was terrible. And so I continue to believe that there's a lot of good stuff
0:23:53that Evernote is doing. But a couple of things. First of all, I cannot accept this kind of
0:23:58performance problem on a note-taking app that I'm gonna be using every day, and especially at WWDC.
0:24:05Like, I'm gonna be taking notes at WWDC and I cannot accept these kind of issues. And second,
0:24:11I just don't believe at this point that they're gonna be faster with updates and bug fixes. It's
0:24:17just not the case. I feel like if you have, you know, a team as large as Evernote, it shouldn't
0:24:25take you five months to start fixing the simplest of all the problems that you have in your app.
0:24:31So, you know, work out. Now, I just need to find time to move back these... Let's see how many
0:24:42they are. It must be a few hundred notes that I moved into Evernote back to, I guess, just Apple
0:24:49notes again yes let's see how many 417 so there's your weekend it's gone it's
0:25:01gonna be fun it's gonna be fun but yeah it's how are you gonna do that oh I have
0:25:07no idea man manually so there's a there's a tool on the Mac see if I can
0:25:13find it while I talk that will export Evernote notes to where you can import
0:25:19them into the Mac. Yeah I think I'm familiar with that. I thought about do I
0:25:25want to do I want to move from Evernote to... Notes can just import directly from
0:25:29ENEX file. Perfect so I'm gonna use that. You probably are gonna have to
0:25:35manually go through every single note but this will at least be easier than
0:25:40then you know. Yeah I thought about do I want to use keepit instead of Evernote.
0:25:47before I moved to Apple Notes.
0:25:50But my thought process was,
0:25:52we've already seen that the shortcuts team
0:25:57has managed to add some,
0:25:59like a first wave of Apple Notes integrations.
0:26:04And I think, you know, coming into iOS 13,
0:26:07and the beta that I'm gonna put on my devices,
0:26:09it's gonna be good for me to use Apple Notes again anyway,
0:26:13because I bet there's going to be some changes there,
0:26:16either in the app itself or in the shortcuts integration.
0:26:19So Apple Notes doesn't do everything
0:26:23that I would like it to do.
0:26:24There's plenty of good stuff that Evernote is doing,
0:26:27like saved searches and that kind of stuff.
0:26:29But even those advanced features
0:26:32are not as important as having basic performance
0:26:38and having a note-taking app that when you open it,
0:26:40it actually lets you tap around the interface,
0:26:43like pretty basic things for a mobile application, I think,
0:26:48being able to actually use it.
0:26:50So yeah, I gave it a try, man.
0:26:54Like honestly, a couple of months, three months,
0:26:57but I've seen what I needed to see
0:27:00and my verdict is thumbs down.
0:27:03- See, I was always concerned about what you were doing,
0:27:08right, like moving everything,
0:27:10'cause that's not what I do.
0:27:12And Evernote is perfectly fine for my use case,
0:27:16which is an application for mixed media
0:27:19for a specific project.
0:27:20Like it's, so I use it so infrequently
0:27:24that it doesn't, I don't get as frustrated by its foibles
0:27:28because I don't use it every day.
0:27:29I maybe use it once every week or two weeks.
0:27:32- Yeah, but you, like you have multiple note-taking apps
0:27:36and you use even multiple-- - I only use Notes
0:27:38and Evernote.
0:27:39- But those are two apps and you also have two,
0:27:41like you have both Todoist, I think, and Dew, for example.
0:27:45- And I use things and Clear.
0:27:47- I mean, I have like a monogamous relationship
0:27:50with my apps.
0:27:51Like I'm a man of passion and I give it all
0:27:53to one app at a time.
0:27:55- I just have a lot of love to give.
0:27:57- Yeah, good for you.
0:27:58- One app cannot manage the amount of love I have.
0:28:01(laughing)
0:28:02- You are a poly-apparose, Myke.
0:28:05And I just, I cannot fathom the idea
0:28:10of having like two note taking apps and three task managers like so one only one and it
0:28:15has to be a good one so
0:28:17Well I'm dead
0:28:20Well you didn't like my description of
0:28:24I've quit
0:28:25It's gone
0:28:26I'm done
0:28:27Okay well
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0:30:31and Relay FM. Last week, we took place in the Federico Vatici Memorial Challenge.
0:30:39Memorial?
0:30:40Yeah, sure. Why not?
0:30:43I'm not dead.
0:30:45So we can remember you?
0:30:49Remember you every day when you opened the stupid Twitter app on your iPhone.
0:30:52Is this why you're going to remember me by? By forcing you to use the Twitter app?
0:30:55Yeah. I mean, if something happened to you today, God forbid, that would be fresh in
0:30:59my mind.
0:31:00- A memorial is an object which serves as a focus
0:31:03for the memory of something, that's it.
0:31:05- Who are you, Tim Cook?
0:31:07Opening your talk with the dictionary definition?
0:31:09Amateur hour.
0:31:11Okay, so last week, Federico, you were talking
0:31:15about the official Twitter app, and for some reason,
0:31:17Myke and I said that we would use it for a week,
0:31:20and I don't know about you, Myke, but I held to this.
0:31:24I did use Tweetbot on the Mac for a couple things for work,
0:31:27but on my phone and on my iPad, oh, God,
0:31:30the iPad app. I was using the official Twitter app. Myke, I want to know how it went for
0:31:35you.
0:31:36I'm conflicted about this. I did stick with it. Similar to you, if you look at my tweets,
0:31:45they will all be Twitter for something, unless I had to use another account on my Mac or
0:31:53whatever. So I tweet about show stuff, then I would use Tweetbot, because we'll get to
0:31:58that.
0:31:59in on Twitter or my iPhone to all of my accounts.
0:32:02It was a wild ride.
0:32:03No, I have them on my iPhone, but if I'm tweeting show publishing stuff, I'm sitting at the
0:32:07Mac when I'm doing it.
0:32:08I don't want to go to my iPhone to do that.
0:32:11Going backwards through the timeline feels really old school.
0:32:15It's a very old school feeling.
0:32:19It's made worse by the fact that Twitter's "load more tweets" button is really easy to
0:32:25miss, which is kind of hilarious because isn't that what they want me to do?
0:32:28I feel like they should make that more visual, like stand out watch more visually.
0:32:35I feel like I'm scrolling through for not very long.
0:32:39I'm like, "I've seen all this already," because it's throwing me back to yesterday's stuff
0:32:42or whatever, right?
0:32:43I find that kind of strange.
0:32:44Or that it doesn't just load automatically.
0:32:46I don't know why it doesn't load automatically.
0:32:48Twitter wants me to be there, right?
0:32:49They want more impressions.
0:32:51That's peculiar to me.
0:32:52When I get there, I don't know why it doesn't just load it all, but such is life.
0:32:58I'm finding that I am much more likely to just stop.
0:33:05I have a desire going backwards where I'm like "I've seen enough now"
0:33:09Where if I was going the other way I would be less likely to do that I think.
0:33:14And I think it's because Twitter is way less enjoyable this way to read backwards.
0:33:22Even though, again, the Twitter app does a pretty decent job of making things make sense
0:33:28chronologically if somebody's using threading and stuff, right?
0:33:31They do a good job with that.
0:33:35But there's just something about it where it's like, this isn't as engaging to me.
0:33:43I am 100% reading fewer tweets in the Twitter app than I was in Tweetbot. I have yet to
0:33:55make a decision as to whether that is good or not. I think it might be, but I don't know
0:34:00that. I don't feel like I've missed anything I needed to see, because part of my show preparation
0:34:11is to make sure that I go to a few websites or whatever beforehand just to like double
0:34:15check that I've got everything that I want.
0:34:17And you know, if there's any news which is big enough, it will always bubble up a bunch.
0:34:22So I feel like I'm, I'm probably I am missing some stuff, but I feel like what I am missing
0:34:27is maybe not that important.
0:34:28I don't know.
0:34:29Like maybe I, if I want to keep doing this, maybe I want to like use RSS a little bit
0:34:36more.
0:34:37very limited list of stuff, right? Just so I can have a place to easily go and
0:34:42check what I need to check right during my preparation for a show and maybe
0:34:46that's something that I'll do. Does Nozzle still exist? It does. Do either of you use any
0:34:53services like that? No. Okay, because again that might be a good, like just a
0:34:58good thing because it will allow... It's like a safety net. Yeah, it's like the easy
0:35:06surfacing of what people are talking about. I really would love it if Twitter could just
0:35:11do this on their own. I don't know why they don't. I will say, when you go to their search
0:35:17tab and they've got a "for you", there is a lot of stuff in there that is clearly for
0:35:24me. It is technology-related things. But I feel like I should be able to go to somewhere
0:35:30and Twitter's app and see a list of what everyone that I follow is talking about.
0:35:35Like, I don't understand why they don't have this feature. It feels like they should definitely
0:35:42have this feature, but they don't seem to have it. So, um, I really miss Tweetbox's mute system
0:35:49a lot. It's the, it's the timed based stuff, uh, and how easy that is to get to. So you can
0:35:58time-based mute a word but it's super clunky to do that you have to you can't
0:36:04even mute a hashtag easily you have to like yes you can mute a hashtag so I
0:36:09thought initially that you couldn't but you have to like hold down on it and
0:36:12then they put it in the popover with copy and paste it's like you scroll over
0:36:16on that thing and there's a mute button like why is it there that's stupid but
0:36:20alright I'm pleased that I know about that now but like time-based account
0:36:26Mute is a big one for me because I'm a man of varied interests, right? So like I have some of
0:36:33my friends that are also interested in like wrestling events, right? If I don't want spoilers,
0:36:39I just want to mute them for a day. But I can't do that in the Twitter app, right? Like it's not
0:36:44possible to do that. It's just like they're gone forever. And I know that if I would just end up
0:36:50muting people forever without meaning to, right? And that's not what I want to do. Keyboard
0:36:55shortcuts in the iPad app are bad. Their scrolling shortcut is bad. It scrolls the most minimal
0:37:03amount when you hit the space bar. It's like, this is pointless. And the up and down arrows
0:37:06move way too slowly. Oh no, sorry, the keyboard shortcut on the space bar goes in the opposite
0:37:13direction to what I want most of the time. Twitter on the Mac is a real scene. Oh boy.
0:37:18It's not good, right? If you want to try and use any of Twitter's products on the Mac,
0:37:23you're in for a real just a real mess because you use the website which is whatever they they don't
0:37:30have an official app tweet deck is a nightmare um i cannot make tweet decks stop refreshing and
0:37:38sticking to the top like they have a checkbox which seems to indicate what i want to do but
0:37:45it doesn't do it and i don't understand why so like the checkbox says or like a toggle is like
0:37:51stream tweets. If you turn it off, but it still keeps happening. So I don't really know.
0:37:56I don't really know what the checkbox does. Maybe that is like a metaphor for Twitter in general.
0:38:02Basically, I don't look at Twitter on my Mac now at all. Like, I might go to the website every now
0:38:10and then if I need to do something, but I've always had a Twitter app open on my Mac, but I
0:38:14don't now. I have a weird request. It's maybe not weird, but I have a request. I would like an app
0:38:20that is just focused on posting tweets from a variety of accounts.
0:38:26Like, I know I could use TweetDeck for this, but I kind of don't necessarily want
0:38:30an app with a timeline. If such an app exists, I would like to know about it if anybody knows such
0:38:36a thing. I actually like the overall visual design of Twitter these days. I think the app itself is
0:38:45fine, it's clean and simple, the pure black theme is good, and it has all of the information and
0:38:50features that I want. I wished that you could stop video from
0:38:53auto-playing but I don't think you can.
0:38:57But I'm gonna stick with it I think. I want to keep trying this
0:39:02because I think the thing I'm most keen about is the
0:39:06long-term effect because wouldn't it be kind of hilarious
0:39:10if I was more addicted to tweetbot than I am twitter?
0:39:14Wouldn't that be kind of funny? Yeah, I can totally believe that.
0:39:20And I actually think that might be the case.
0:39:22The app being better makes me want to be there more.
0:39:27And this might be like a kind of funny
0:39:32tale, really, if that's the way it ends up going.
0:39:36So I'm going to keep going with it because I'm interested to see
0:39:40if that's the way it ends up.
0:39:43Like, do I use Twitter less now I use the official app than I did
0:39:47when it was Tweetbot?
0:39:49And I can tell you so far, the answer is definitely yes.
0:39:52So we'll see.
0:39:54My experience is very similar to yours
0:39:57in that I'm using Twitter far less on my phone
0:40:02with the Twitter app.
0:40:05The biggest thing I struggle with,
0:40:07it's what caught me up last time,
0:40:10was Twitter's feature of showing replies or threads over time
0:40:17with the little line connecting them down the side,
0:40:20I just don't like it.
0:40:23It brings up old tweets.
0:40:26For instance, say Federico tweeted about something,
0:40:29and then Myke, you responded to it 20 minutes later.
0:40:32You know, I would see that together,
0:40:33and that's fine because that's in the last couple of minutes,
0:40:35but then say that Jason replies to it two hours later,
0:40:39well, sometimes the client will surface that
0:40:41just in the timeline, and it's like,
0:40:44wait, I've read this before,
0:40:45and then I'm momentarily confused
0:40:46why I'm seeing it again and I just I don't like that. Even worse, so I was following along with
0:40:52Google I/O yesterday and people that were tweeting a thread I would keep seeing the first tweet over
0:40:58and over and over again. Like I felt like I was I was being waterboarded or something. It's like
0:41:04what is going on? Like I feel like I'm losing my mind here. Like why I'm sure I've seen this tweet
0:41:09like a thousand times today. It was very confusing. Yeah and it's great that you can sort the timeline
0:41:14chronologically, but that repeating deal, like there should be some sort of mechanism, like I've
0:41:20seen this once, then just show me the replies. Now in Tweetbot, say that Jason responded four
0:41:26hours later, I either have to guess at what Jason was responding to or tap into that tweet,
0:41:32you know, swipe over on it and then see the conversation. So like the pro is there's less
0:41:38actual physical interaction, but the con to me far outweighs that of like, it just takes up a lot of
0:41:42of space, I'm seeing things repeatedly. And that is, that's always what gets me with the
0:41:49official Twitter app is that mechanism. But the other thing that really gets me and the
0:41:54thing that this time in particular, for some reason has really bothered me is, so for instance,
0:41:58I'm going to open Twitter on my phone. Now I haven't looked at it in a couple of hours
0:42:02on my phone. And I go to my account. And, you know, there's a there's a badge next to
0:42:08the timeline like the home icon at the bottom and there's also one by the bell
0:42:11and in the notifications tab you have all mentions and then if you're verified
0:42:17you have verified and I do not care I will never care about anything in the
0:42:24all notification screen I don't care who likes my tweets or how often they're
0:42:29liked I don't really care about new followers I check in on that every once
0:42:33in a while but it's not something I need to see in real time all I want to see
0:42:37mentions and I have to go to each one of those if I want to clear that little dot
0:42:42and if you have multiple accounts in the app like I have five accounts set up in
0:42:46here if I want to get rid of that dot I've got to go into each one and into
0:42:52that tab over and over and what I'm doing is I'm learning to ignore that
0:42:56button but then I miss mentions like I just I don't like the all notification
0:43:01screen if I could turn that off or if I could say don't badge anything and by
0:43:06that I mean just in the app like I don't have badges turned on for the Twitter
0:43:09app that's crazy pants but just in the app I don't want to know about anything
0:43:12in that tab I don't want to know that there's unread things if you want to
0:43:16have them there for me to see later that's fine but I feel like I'm drawn
0:43:20into the notifications screen way more often than I want to be there and that
0:43:26is really frustrating for me again when I have multiple accounts if I go to my
0:43:30account my accounts overview thing the account switcher okay like 512 pixels
0:43:35has a seven next to it. Connected has a one, MPU has a five, liftoff has a three,
0:43:40and genius has a two. I don't know what that is. That could be followers, that
0:43:44could be something that somebody liked, or it could be a mention. And those
0:43:48things in my mind are not equal weight. And the Twitter app has no concept of
0:43:53that. And that that is what will keep me from using this app. This is why I'm
0:43:56going to go back to tweet bot. This desire for Twitter for me to see all
0:44:01all notifications just doesn't work for me.
0:44:04I have found the little badge on the notifications bell
0:44:08to be really distracting in a way
0:44:10that I didn't notice from other applications.
0:44:14I find myself, as soon as it lights up, I hit it.
0:44:16And I think it's because it lights up more often.
0:44:18It's like one of those--
0:44:20Oh, yeah.
0:44:21Is it Pavlov response or something?
0:44:24It lights up more often because it's given me everything,
0:44:28which is not what other apps would do.
0:44:31Like so. And it's a lot like you get that bell lights
0:44:35that little bell lights up every time someone faves something.
0:44:37Right. Like that. There's a lot going on on that tab.
0:44:40Yeah. Too many things.
0:44:42My other kind of smaller just complaints are
0:44:46swiping to the side to launch the camera is never what I want.
0:44:50Like as part of that's having used Tweetbot for so long,
0:44:52we're swiping is a big gesture in that app.
0:44:54I think accidently launched the camera all the time.
0:44:57Generally if I'm going to tweet a picture, I'm going to take it with the camera app and
0:45:02then tweet it.
0:45:03Maybe that's just the way I've always done it.
0:45:06I've never taken a picture from within Tweetbot, I don't think.
0:45:09It just seems like the camera has a very prominent place in the app that doesn't jive with the
0:45:13way that I work.
0:45:16The settings will allow you to modify what you're notified about, but it's groups of
0:45:22people, not types of thing.
0:45:26And I think the chat room is conflating like push notifications, which again, there is
0:45:33a filter and this thing called advanced filters where you can mute notifications from people
0:45:39you don't follow, that kind of stuff.
0:45:41But that's not what you're looking for, right?
0:45:43It's like, don't tell me about retweets or whatever.
0:45:47Right.
0:45:48And I have all of those off because, and this is where the chat room is, I think confused
0:45:53what I'm saying. I have all those off because I don't want push like I don't want iOS push
0:45:58notifications. This has no control over what happens in the app. It still badges the little
0:46:03bell in the apps interface. And they need controls for that. I think I actually I have,
0:46:10okay, let me explain the whole thing. I have pushed notifications on for Twitter for certain
0:46:15things. So I wanted to try out what was it like when you say to Twitter, tell me tailored for me,
0:46:22I want to get notifications that are tailored for me. And I have it set in iOS to just go to
0:46:28the notification center, so they're delivered quietly. And I would say it does a pretty good
0:46:33job of that. A lot of the times it's notifications from people I do care about notifications from,
0:46:41whether it's like, "Oh, this is an interesting person that just followed you," or "Federico and
0:46:48and Steven both replied to your tweet, right?
0:46:50Like in it.
0:46:51And so that's nice because that just lives in notification center.
0:46:54It never bothers me.
0:46:56And if I ever go in there, sometimes I see stuff.
0:46:58So that is quite interesting.
0:47:00But I wouldn't have notifications on for everything,
0:47:03nor would I have them bother me particularly, you know?
0:47:06So so, yeah, that that stuff that I wish was better.
0:47:09But a couple of things that I really like about it. I agree with you.
0:47:13I like the design.
0:47:14I'm using not the black mode, but like the dark one, like the purpley one.
0:47:18I think that looks great.
0:47:20I do have push notifications on for direct messages.
0:47:22There are a couple of people in my life that I talk to over Twitter DM and we just never
0:47:27have moved to iMessage for whatever reason.
0:47:30And Tweetbot's notifications for that are just totally broken because of the API changes.
0:47:34They're really slow if they come in at all.
0:47:36And with Twitter, they're really fast.
0:47:38So that's nice if you use DMs.
0:47:39That's a good reason to use the first party app.
0:47:42And I've finally seen a Twitter poll.
0:47:45Sometimes you see tweets in Tweetbot and I think, "That's probably a poll the way it's
0:47:50worded, but I have no idea and I'm not going to go hunt it down."
0:47:54And so I've been polling all over the place, boys, just answering people's questions in
0:47:58a multiple choice format.
0:47:59Any time it comes by, even if I don't care about it, because I can.
0:48:03So my engagement's up with polls, I guess.
0:48:07Yeah, about the mentions and notifications thing, I guess I just, like, I never bothered
0:48:12to check that section, because I actually never use it, and to catch up on the mentions
0:48:20that I get, and the people who quote my tweets, I use a saved search. I described the method
0:48:27in a Mac stories post that will be in the show notes. So I just open the, I just tap
0:48:32on the search tab, and if the search is not already open, it's right there at the top
0:48:38of my searches, and I can also launch this search using Launch Center Pro or a shortcut.
0:48:46So it takes me directly to this view, which is a chronological view of my mentions and
0:48:53the people who quote my tweets.
0:48:55So the way that it works in Tweetbot, basically, but it's combined in a single view so that
0:48:59I don't have to use the dimensions tab, which I also don't like because it's too slow and
0:49:04clunky and I never care about activity notifications either.
0:49:08So that's one way that I've sort of fixed the problems with the Twitter app.
0:49:17But I guess I'm happy that you guys took this experiment.
0:49:22And I totally understand why Tweetbot is still an excellent client if you like to use Twitter
0:49:28a certain way.
0:49:32I guess I just, I don't know if it's maybe just like a personal thing. I feel like I
0:49:40am more productive when I use Twitter less, and I still get a ton of value out of Twitter,
0:49:45especially when I have to publish like a big story that I'm working on, and you know, it's
0:49:50useful to be able to promote that, or you know, and of course I love feedback from people.
0:49:56I agree with that, but like I also want to say, right, like I also really enjoy reading
0:50:00the tweets of the people that I follow.
0:50:01Like that is the thing that I enjoy.
0:50:03It is a thing that I enjoy.
0:50:04Like it's not like it used to be, but otherwise I wouldn't use it anymore.
0:50:08Like I do still get value and enjoyment out of that.
0:50:11I get to see lots of funny things.
0:50:12I see interesting things.
0:50:13I see things people are doing.
0:50:14Like I know that there is a there is a trend these days amongst kind of.
0:50:20The shows that I listen to where everybody has that kind of feeling of like,
0:50:26I don't want to tweet anymore.
0:50:27And that's not just this.
0:50:28it's also like comedy shows and stuff that I listen to it's not just tech shows
0:50:32but I just want to say like for the people out there who listen to that and
0:50:36they're like but I enjoy reading to me I do too right like the main reason I use
0:50:40Twitter is not to promote my own stuff it is because I want to read what people
0:50:45are tweeting the general discourse is different now than it used to be two
0:50:50years ago three four five six seven eight nine ten years ago but I do still
0:50:55get enjoyment out of it and I do not have I do not harbor any feelings of it
0:51:00all towards people like yourself Federico who do not enjoy that as much
0:51:03anymore it doesn't have to be a like I like this thing so you should too but I
0:51:09just want to say like it's just a different point of view to the one that
0:51:12I'm typically used to hearing I think I just wanted to say that I think I still
0:51:16enjoy some tweets but really my main problem is that I feel like it used to
0:51:22be much more useful. There's really no good way to put this that doesn't make me sound
0:51:29like a jerk, but if anything important happens or is about to be announced, these days people
0:51:39reach out to me privately, like there's a very good chance.
0:51:44If it's in your area of influence.
0:51:46Yes, of course. If it's in my... I've always seen Twitter. I've always seen Twitter as
0:51:50a work tool, as an instrument to discover apps or news or that kind of stuff. And that
0:51:56is why I used to be super into like completing my timeline and making sure that I was catching
0:52:02up on all the tweets, reaching out to developers, discovering apps, really engaging with the
0:52:07conversation. But as time has gone by, I've discovered that it feels like a waste of time
0:52:14because most developers of apps that we tend to cover on the site, they reach out to us
0:52:20us via email or by DM to me personally. And so I've kind of lost that value of, "Oh, I
0:52:28need to discover stuff for Mac stories." Right? So, and the other people that I follow, like,
0:52:36there's an overlap between the gaming journalists, for example, that I follow, and the gaming
0:52:41news that I get via RSS. And so there's, it's not that I don't, well, yes, I don't enjoy
0:52:47you know, all the political stuff and all, you know, this outrage that is a constant
0:52:53outrage machine, at least in my timeline. Maybe I follow the wrong people, I don't know.
0:52:58But it's just, as a work tool, I see less return on investment than before. And that
0:53:06is why, when I said I'm more productive when I don't use Twitter, it's because I feel like
0:53:11I haven't invested 30 minutes in completing my timeline, but I got 30 minutes of writing
0:53:18done and that makes me feel better.
0:53:21That was my perspective.
0:53:23And so the Twitter app, by design, sort of makes it difficult for me to see the entirety
0:53:29of my timeline and that is kind of better for me.
0:53:31So that was what I was trying to say by it kind of feels like a waste of time.
0:53:39Not because I don't care about the people that I follow.
0:53:41Maybe I follow too many of them, by the way.
0:53:43Maybe I need to curate my following list a little more.
0:53:47But it's just as a discovery tool for apps and Apple stuff,
0:53:52which has always been a huge part of Twitter for me,
0:53:56I think it's less useful than before,
0:53:58because developers and companies and marketing people,
0:54:04we've been doing this long enough
0:54:06that they reach out to us privately.
0:54:07And so that part of the Twitter experience
0:54:10gone for me at this point. Make sense? Do I sound like a jerk? Yes, I sound like a jerk,
0:54:15whatever. No, no, it makes sense. And I think that it's... You're in a situation, it's your situation
0:54:21that you are in, right? Like, you can't be a jerk about that, like that's what your life is.
0:54:27You know, I would say that maybe a thing to do for you would be to be a little bit more
0:54:37aggressive about unfollowing people. So when you are spending time there,
0:54:41it's more likely that you're going to enjoy it and get something out of it.
0:54:45Yeah, I think so.
0:54:46But this is a good experience and it's a valuable experiment. And I actually,
0:54:52you know, I don't know how many of our listeners did it too, but I would recommend more people
0:54:58actually do try it because I feel like I learned some stuff and I'm going to keep on it, right?
0:55:06Like I'm sticking with it and I want to see what effect it has on me. I would especially
0:55:13recommend it for people that are concerned about the amount of time that they're spending on Twitter
0:55:17because I'm very convinced that weirdly enough it will actually make you use it less,
0:55:23which is hilarious. I think that shows. It is a meme about how bad Twitter's general
0:55:31development is as a product and service, this really is a really interesting to me to see
0:55:37that of like, "Oh, I prefer to use Tweetbot and Twitturrific to the point that I'm spending
0:55:43more time on Twitter than if I use the official app, which is trying to trick me to be there."
0:55:48So kind of funny.
0:55:51Twitter's not very good at its own app.
0:55:54That's the moral of the story.
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0:58:20let's get physical. Okay we have some personal news, some hashtag personal news.
0:58:27We are no longer professional podcasters, we are now paper wizards. Oh boy, this is
0:58:36one of the weirdest, this is so weird. What is, okay, someone explain this. Yes,
0:58:44yeah, so Apple is well known to understand gaming. People, everyone knows
0:58:50that and they have a long history of making really good iOS game. None of that's true.
0:58:54None of it's true. Anyway, so what has actually happened is a Warren Buffett who is a billionaire
0:59:00investor who owns a lot of Apple and can we call him Warren buffet? I feel like it's more fun.
0:59:06I don't know if Warren and buffet really go together like, does it really flow like the
0:59:14the name earlier in the follow-up section but anyways Paper Wizards, Warren
0:59:20Buffett, Big Investor and Apple and I guess if you buy enough Apple stock then
0:59:27you get a game named after you because this is a little two-level iOS game
0:59:32named Warren Buffets Paper Wizards and you go... Wasn't this like some kind of like
0:59:40investor event. Yeah, just a shareholder meeting. But it's of Buffett's company though, right?
0:59:48Yeah, right. Why did they make a game for this? I can't work it out. Like, apparently
0:59:53there was some video, right? Like an Apple style video and Tim Cook's in the video and
0:59:58they're making a joke about, like Buffett wanted a game so they made a game. Which is
1:00:04kind of funny because that's actually true though, right? Like the joke that they're
1:00:07Macon is true. He probably asked them for a game so they just made the game for him
1:00:14and it's got Memoji in it which I'm sure breaks some kind of app review guideline somewhere.
1:00:20And it was made by some third-party company but Apple maintains the copyright to it so they own
1:00:30the game. I've been thinking about this, we're going to talk about this again, but this is Planet
1:00:35of the apps to gaming. I'm obsessed with this game. Planet of the apps, right? That was
1:00:44and Carpool Karaoke. People looked at that and be like Apple can't do TV services. This
1:00:50game is to that, like, Planet of the apps is to TV, which this game is to Apple Arcade,
1:00:57right? Like you look at this and you're like Apple have no idea what they're doing. We
1:01:02We need to explain the mechanics of the game. Federico, since you're playing it a bunch,
1:01:05can you explain what you do in this game?
1:01:08I think you're throwing money at people's houses, right?
1:01:12I think it's newspapers.
1:01:13Oh, it's not bundles of money?
1:01:16It's newspapers.
1:01:17It's a rolled up newspaper.
1:01:18Oh, I thought because if you're Warren Buffet and you have a lot of money, you can just
1:01:21throw money away.
1:01:22Well, no, the story is that he started life as a paperboy and built an empire from that.
1:01:28Is that true?
1:01:29Yes.
1:01:30you really build an empire after throwing newspapers? I mean, good for him. It's one
1:01:36of those things. It's one of those like origin stories. He was a newspaper boy. I don't believe
1:01:44that you can draw a linear line between that and billionaire investor, but like, you know,
1:01:50he could have been anything, right? To start with. Well, basically what this is, if you
1:01:55remember the old video game Paperboy? It's like Paperboy on rails in that you're following
1:02:01like a guided trajectory and it's got this idea like they were going for the same graphical
1:02:09style I think of Crossy Road or in that vein at least so it's like first person Paperboy
1:02:16on rails with colorful graphics. But it's only got like two levels. One is set some,
1:02:25like what's it called Omaha? Like what what what is that? Omaha, Nebraska, which is his
1:02:31hometown. Yes, it's where Warren Buffett's from. So it's not French buffet. Okay, Nebraska
1:02:37sort of the opposite of France. In which way? Every way. No offense. No offense, Nebraska.
1:02:48And the second stage is in Cupertino and it ends at the new Apple Spaceship campus at
1:02:54Apple Park. Shouldn't you be throwing subscriptions to Apple News at places rather than actual
1:03:00newspapers? Or iPad minis? You should have been, like, this game, the major flaw is that
1:03:06you were like, you were supposed to be throwing money. I mean, you're making a game with Warren
1:03:11Buffet, you gotta be throwing money at people. And like, it was just been, that would have
1:03:16been an incredible critique of modern capitalism. It would have been an amazing piece of performance
1:03:22art. I don't, I don't think that that's his bag,
1:03:25right? I don't think that Warren Buffett, of all people, wants to have a modern critique
1:03:31of capitalism. That would have been, that would have been
1:03:34such an incredible piece of self-evaluation, like, that would have been incredible. But
1:03:39still, you're throwing newspapers. What I appreciate the most about this game, it's
1:03:42not like it's a simple mechanic, you just fling the newspaper and then you throw it.
1:03:46It's like, sort of like Angry Birds, with some extremely basic, like, physics mechanics
1:03:52going on. But what I appreciate the most is that you can throw the newspaper at cars and
1:03:58Birds? Yeah.
1:03:59It's, uh, you can hurt them. Like, and they get in the way. And you can, I'm pretty sure
1:04:05that I got some dude in a car in an accident by throwing newspaper at the car.
1:04:10They definitely crash because you hear the noise.
1:04:12Yeah. And also the, the, the most incredible part is that you got these two animoji and
1:04:18of Warren Buffett and Tim Cook. And it kind of feels like Warren Buffett is kind of like
1:04:23a father figure to Tim Cook's animoji in the game.
1:04:27which is incredible. It's like you have father and son guiding you through the game.
1:04:33I often wonder what it's like to be Tim Cook.
1:04:37Weird.
1:04:38I kind of feel sorry for him sometimes. He doesn't want to do this, right? Like, this
1:04:44isn't a life, this isn't the part of his life that he wants to lead, where he has to, like,
1:04:50have a game made for Warren Buffett and, like, be in it. Like, he doesn't want to do this.
1:04:55up as a side gig being in a game for Warren Buffett.
1:04:59Right? Like, you know, sometimes you must just look at it and be like, "Steve never
1:05:03had to do this. Why do I have to do this?"
1:05:07When I was a kid, I had a dream. I wanted to be the best CEO in the entire world, and
1:05:12I wanted to, you know, make him, you know, leave the world a better place, and instead
1:05:16I ended up in a game for Warren Buffett.
1:05:19Why? What made me... Why am I doing this? I'm like one of the most powerful people in
1:05:23the world why am I in this game? Oh I think he loves it. Do you? I know he loves the celebrity
1:05:32stuff do you think he cares about making Warren Buffett happy like really? I don't think he does.
1:05:38Oh oh I'm flying into Apple Park now I've been playing it while y'all are talking. I have a lot
1:05:42of questions about whose offices you're throwing these in like can one of those offices be the
1:05:46people who made the MacBook Pro keyboard and I throw like a rock in the window? Well one of my
1:05:51problems is with this like the logic of this game newspaper delivery people do
1:05:57not throw newspapers into the 20th floor building of an apartment building well
1:06:01maybe you couldn't but like paper men can yeah you don't know you don't know
1:06:05about what I can do I haven't told you my high score yet what's your high score
1:06:09ten thousand two hundred and fifty oh leave you it's pretty good three times
1:06:15by the way. How many times? That's three times. Well I played one time and I got 9150. I don't
1:06:23believe that you only played this game one time. I don't know how to make you believe that but it's
1:06:29true. You only played it once? Once. Ever? Once. Okay. Once today at lunch. I've played it three
1:06:36times I got 7050 then 8350 and then 10250. That's pretty good. I will say
1:06:44It's not bad. It's not a bad game.
1:06:46Like, doing what it does, it's fine.
1:06:49Right? Like, it's fun enough for 10 minutes, right?
1:06:53Like, it's... I've bought games worse than this on the iPhone, right?
1:06:59Like, it's just weird.
1:07:00Wait, wait a second.
1:07:02You can collect Warren Bucks in the game?
1:07:06Yeah, I have a real...
1:07:07You call Warren Bucks?
1:07:08Yes, that's the money that you get.
1:07:10I have a real problem with the fact that the leaderboard has Warren Buffett at the top
1:07:13with 15,350 points. I have a real problem with this because...
1:07:18Is he playing the game?
1:07:19Okay, who are the other people on your leaderboard?
1:07:21I have Henry, Daphna, Clay, Evan...
1:07:23It's all the same!
1:07:24Yeah, it's all the same. It's not a real leaderboard. That's what makes me annoyed about it. They
1:07:28just put him on the top with a super high score.
1:07:31Do you think they are Warren Buffett's friends?
1:07:34Like...
1:07:35Yes.
1:07:36I also wonder if that's the highest score you can do, but like why didn't you tie this
1:07:38into Game Center so I could beat Jon?
1:07:41Because that would have been too much work.
1:07:43This was meant to be the most simple thing it could possibly be.
1:07:46My score that round was 9,500 by the way.
1:07:50Oh nice.
1:07:51That's my highest.
1:07:52You just beat Evan.
1:07:53Take that Evan.
1:07:54Congratulations.
1:07:55Yeah.
1:07:56But actually no, Evan's probably beaten you right?
1:07:57Because of Alphabet.
1:07:58Oh we're tied.
1:07:59Where did they put you?
1:08:00Are you tied?
1:08:01One of the messages that Warren says is "Looks like you've been investing in practice time."
1:08:06Oh yeah, there's a lot of real bad puns in this game.
1:08:10I haven't played it with the audio yet.
1:08:12I've played it silently.
1:08:13I feel like I'm missing out.
1:08:14- The audio is pretty good too, to be honest.
1:08:16It's not bad, it's just--
1:08:18- Weird. - Weird.
1:08:20- I did see a tweet, I don't know who it was,
1:08:22so forgive me if it was you, saying,
1:08:23"All the people who thought Apple was gonna get it
1:08:26"with Apple Arcade, like, good luck with this."
1:08:29I think that's a little unfair,
1:08:30because Apple's not making, I think Apple knows this is--
1:08:33- Yeah, like, this is not serious.
1:08:35Like, no one would have ever found out about this
1:08:38if MacRumors didn't publish their article.
1:08:40no one would know about this, right? Like, Apple's not making this game of the day.
1:08:45Oh, what if they did? That'd be incredible. Can you imagine if they did how great that would be,
1:08:50though? Let's see how it is on the App Store and then games. It's got 4.2 out of 5 in the UK with
1:08:5714 ratings. I'm gonna give it a 5 star. I'm on Wikipedia and I'm just gonna read you a sentence.
1:09:05In 1949, Buffett was infatuated with a young woman whose boyfriend had a ukulele.
1:09:13Why did that make it to his Wikipedia page? Why did that make it there?
1:09:20I guess from some autobiography, right?
1:09:22In an attempt to compete, he bought one of the diminutive instruments and has been playing it
1:09:29ever since. Oh my god, Warren Buffett! This is a long competition going on.
1:09:35Long Connie's got going on over there. Oh my god.
1:09:38Oh Warren. He's the guy who writes weird letters, right? Like weird open letters to Apple? He's
1:09:46done that sort of stuff in the past, right? I don't know. I don't pay much attention to
1:09:50the investor side of things. In April 2017, Buffett, an avid Coca-Cola
1:09:56drinker, an investor in the company, agreed to have his likeness placed on Cherry Coke
1:10:00Coke products in China.
1:10:02Did he agree though?
1:10:04I feel like Warren Buffett asks for a lot of things.
1:10:07I feel like he's just asking.
1:10:08He's asking for things.
1:10:09I don't think people are going to him and being like, "Oh, Mr. Buffett, please, we'd
1:10:14love to put your picture on something."
1:10:16That's not happening, right?
1:10:18Like that's not happening.
1:10:19Maybe he invests in these companies so he can be in games and can be on Coke bottles.
1:10:24No, see, Stephen, I think that is 100% what is going on.
1:10:29That Coke is the best Coke.
1:10:32Buffett Cola, everyone's favorite flavor.
1:10:35Buffet Cola.
1:10:37Cherry Warren.
1:10:38So yeah, so this is the thing.
1:10:40Do you think he's going to pay his way onto our show?
1:10:44I'm open to it.
1:10:48Maybe he's my surprise for WWDC.
1:10:51That would be a big surprise.
1:10:54Would you be happy to have Warren Buffett on stage?
1:10:56I don't know what I would ask him.
1:10:58I 100% would be. About the game! We would ask him about the game.
1:11:01How's the ukulele going? We would ask three things. The game, the ukulele,
1:11:08and the coke. The Chinese coke.
1:11:09There's only three things I want to know about. I don't care about the rest of your stuff.
1:11:13And he's like "Oh yes, I see you read my Wikipedia page."
1:11:16I wrote that myself, you know. There's no iPad version. You gotta play it
1:11:22on the phone. There's a link in the app store. If you just want to kill like five minutes
1:11:26of your life, it's not a bad way to do it. It's something you should experience for the
1:11:31sheer weirdness of it all, I think. The picture of the buffet cola is as awesome as you can
1:11:40imagine it is. I'm sending you a picture right now. Oh no, it's not working. Oh no. Well,
1:11:48you just gotta believe me, it's an amazing photo. It's a cherry coke that you can only
1:11:53got in China. I'll find it, it will be in the show notes, people need to see Buffett
1:11:59Coke. Oh my god, what is this? What is this? Why would you do this? Did you get the picture?
1:12:07No, I don't know what you're sending. But it's not working. I don't know how a Mac works
1:12:11anymore. Hold on, I took a screenshot. Don't worry, I found an article about it, it will
1:12:16be in the show notes, from marketinginteractive.com. So anyway, the game is actually pretty good.
1:12:23but there's multiple layers to Warren Buffett's story that do not convince us.
1:12:29So we would like to know more about whatever is going on here.
1:12:36Also please make a rapid version.
1:12:38Can I do a Munch Squad with you and read the press release from Coca-Cola about why they did this?
1:12:47Please do.
1:12:47"Chinese consumers love new flavors and crave excitement from brands like ours as we launch
1:12:55new products," said Shelley Lin, Coca-Cola's China marketing director. "As we thought of
1:13:01the most creative ways to bring the great taste of Cherry Coke to China, we thought,
1:13:05'Who better to celebrate the launch of this special drink than its best-known fan?' We
1:13:10were honestly surprised when Mr. Buffett agreed to the idea. We're thrilled, and he's selling
1:13:17well. Would you like to read? Well? Just saying well. So Warren Buffett said, I said it would
1:13:27be fine to do this for the first six months after launching the product. They asked for
1:13:31like, I can imagine they asked for a week and he's like, nah, six months will be good.
1:13:34If there are no problems associated with this and he asks me to continue, I will likely
1:13:39say, okay. Incidentally, there is no compensation involved. Sure. I mean, you got Coca-Cola
1:13:46to put you on the... yeah.
1:13:48This is the best thing. I'm so pleased we did this now.
1:13:51What is Warren Buffett's obsession to be in products?
1:13:54He wants to live forever.
1:13:56I think it's an ego thing. It seems like an ego thing to me, right?
1:14:00Do you think he has a brand of ukuleles?
1:14:04Oh, let's find out. Warren...
1:14:08We're really off track. We have the real news to talk about.
1:14:11He's an avid bridge player.
1:14:13Alright, so as you may imagine, he sponsored a bridge match for the Buffett Cup.
1:14:20There's a Buffett Cup.
1:14:22I found a link to Bill Gates singing as Warren Buffett plays ukulele.
1:14:28What is going on?
1:14:29Can we, Stephen, again, you have control, let's move on.
1:14:33Okay, let's, iOS 13.
1:14:35Let's talk about that.
1:14:36So Mark Gurman is here with a report, not here.
1:14:42He's on the internet with the report.
1:14:43He's a friend of the show.
1:14:44Friend of the show, Mark Gurman.
1:14:46Mark Gurman talking about a lot of stuff actually.
1:14:49iOS 13, Mac OS 10.15, watch OS 6, whatever version tvOS is on.
1:14:55There's a lot of details in here and it's an interesting article from Gurman because
1:15:00it's an article and then it's just a bunch of bullets and like maybe he's finally breaking
1:15:06free of the shackles of the Bloomberg style.
1:15:08I have a little theory about this.
1:15:12above the bullet points is what Bloomberg wants him to do. Oh sure.
1:15:16Everything below that is what Mark really wants to do. Remember he used to have to
1:15:21like write with other people and they were like people according to the
1:15:25things. Anyways okay so we've pulled out a couple things that we want
1:15:30to talk about. So we're gonna start with iOS 13. The software for the second year
1:15:35in a row will speed up devices and reduce bugs. Sounds pretty good to me.
1:15:39Good, okay. It was popular right like that was really popular. I should also just do it every year
1:15:45But well they're going to now though. I think I think that's the point
1:15:48Will it keep compatibility with the same devices that I was 12 supported my dad is nope
1:15:53I'm gonna knock something off. I think it's got to you. Yeah
1:15:57Yeah, cuz that went 12 went really far back right like it's got a knockoff something
1:16:03I don't know how much it's going to though
1:16:05I mean, it's probably why they updated the iPad Mini, right?
1:16:09So they can get rid of whatever chip that had in it.
1:16:12So iOS 12 supports back to the iPad Mini 2.
1:16:17And the iPhone 5S?
1:16:18And the iPhone 5S.
1:16:20So I'd imagine this is iPad Mini 4 and newer, and then the iPhone 6.
1:16:27So I don't think they can kill off the 6 yet.
1:16:29That seems fair, right?
1:16:30I think so.
1:16:31It's fine.
1:16:32So that's good.
1:16:33Up next, a dark mode, a black and gray heavy interface optimized for viewing at night that
1:16:42can be enabled in control center.
1:16:45And the control center thing is the key part, right?
1:16:48Like that's the thing that I, that's the detail I really wanted.
1:16:51It's not just tied to something like a sunset or time that you can just basically toggle
1:16:57it.
1:16:58Or an accessibility setting.
1:16:59This seems like a feature you can just turn on or off.
1:17:00And this is coming in the next version of Android as well.
1:17:03We're not going to get to Google I/O today,
1:17:04but that was part of Android Q. I have questions for you,
1:17:07Federico, about this.
1:17:09If a developer is using just bone stock UI kit,
1:17:13apps that just use the features that come in the tool kit,
1:17:17I would assume that they would just get this.
1:17:19But say an app with a more custom interface,
1:17:24maybe one that already actually has its own dark mode.
1:17:26So let's talk about Overcast.
1:17:28Custom UI, he uses common UI elements,
1:17:30but he's rewritten a lot for himself.
1:17:32Overcast has its own internal dark mode.
1:17:35What does this mean for apps like that
1:17:37that have sort of developed this on their own?
1:17:39Do you have any ideas or thoughts?
1:17:41- Yeah, I think 100% there's going to be,
1:17:44as you mentioned in two ways,
1:17:47either if you use just stock UIKit,
1:17:49and if you recompile for 13,
1:17:52you will get it for free, as they say,
1:17:55as part of the system controls.
1:17:56But there will be ways for developers to say,
1:18:00This is the kind of control that I want to display in light mode.
1:18:03This is the kind of color that I want to show in dark mode.
1:18:06Pretty much like you can do in Safari and WebKit
1:18:08for the dark mode support on websites.
1:18:11You don't have to use, because it doesn't exist, standard HTML.
1:18:16That means nothing.
1:18:17But you have an API that lets you say, OK,
1:18:20when you have a dark color scheme,
1:18:23you should do this instead.
1:18:24And I suppose there will be a similar kind of control for,
1:18:27of course, a different language in Swift or Objective-C,
1:18:30whatever, to say when it's dark mode, when it's a dark mode enabled, I'll switch the UI
1:18:35to this. You know, these controls that I have, even though they're customs, they're
1:18:40custom controls, I want to use this version for light and this version for
1:18:43dark. And it'll be more work, but of course it has to be available, because
1:18:48otherwise basically everybody will revolt. And, you know, it would be a super
1:18:54easy way to make everybody upset. So I will be extremely surprised if there's
1:18:58no API to do that for apps that do more custom things as well.
1:19:04So like you could imagine that if you were using an app like Overcast in the light mode
1:19:08and you switch to dark mode it will switch to like basically Marco's current dark mode.
1:19:12It's like a thing you could think would happen.
1:19:15Yeah, it has to happen. I mean, again, super surprised if it doesn't happen.
1:19:21Because Apple's aware of the fact that developers already do this, right?
1:19:24Yeah, exactly.
1:19:25It's not a niche feature anymore. Like we were just talking about the fact that the
1:19:28Twitter app has it, right? Like it's like a real thing. It's not just like an Apple
1:19:34indie third party thing anymore, right? Like it's, no, this is like a real thing that people
1:19:38do.
1:19:39Yeah, yeah. I do wonder though, I do wonder if Apple will promote it as a way to save
1:19:45battery as Google has done with the dark theme for Android Q. Because if it's using black,
1:19:53as Gurman mentioned, I'm just going to assume that black will mean true black on OLED screens.
1:19:58And I have to wonder if Apple will explicitly say, if you use dark mode, your battery will
1:20:03last longer.
1:20:04Or if it'll just be...
1:20:05I don't think they will.
1:20:06I don't think they will either.
1:20:07I think it'll just be implied.
1:20:09And maybe people will do benchmarks and that kind of stuff.
1:20:12A revamped health app with a new homepage that better outlines your daily activity from
1:20:17the day.
1:20:18This is something I would like to see.
1:20:19The health app just feels clunky to me.
1:20:22Like you can add basically like sections or tiles to it.
1:20:26And it feels very much of the iOS 8 era that it comes from.
1:20:30And I would like to see more customization, having your activity more front and center.
1:20:37But I think there's also room for them to do a better job at presenting this in a way
1:20:43that's smarter.
1:20:44So like, I don't know, like if you're tracking, say you can install a water tracking app,
1:20:50which we spoke about a couple weeks ago.
1:20:52Like health should suggest that I add that to my health dashboard, I think.
1:20:57Because right now, like trying to add data sources to health, like that back and forth
1:21:01is clunky at best.
1:21:03I like to see that smoother in places.
1:21:06Yeah, and this is something that I've been arguing for a long time that the health app
1:21:11does a good enough job at letting you track stats and presenting various numbers.
1:21:18But Apple needs to do something to make sense of all the data and to give you actionable
1:21:23and informative suggestions or results that are not like, "Okay, I'm looking at a chart
1:21:30right now and I see a graph.
1:21:31What does it mean?"
1:21:32Like, a way to make sense of all the numbers, to answer the simplest questions like, "Am
1:21:38I doing well?" or "Am I on track to lose weight?"
1:21:43Let users set goals.
1:21:45like, I wanna just wait, I wanna just wait, or maybe I wanna eat less carbs, or I wanna
1:21:51walk more on a daily basis, and tell people you're doing okay, or here's what you could
1:21:57do, like, give them simple and actionable suggestions, not just a collection of charts.
1:22:04Because that's impressive, like, you can look at all these graphs and all these numbers
1:22:07and that's okay. But I feel like it feels like looking at a looking at like a like a
1:22:15spreadsheet after a while. And I think it should be more of like a like a fitness and
1:22:20health assistant instead of a fancy spreadsheet. It should be more actionable, more human is
1:22:26what I'm saying.
1:22:27Jared Ranerelle One that we've spoken about before, the Reminders
1:22:30app, you know, we're hoping that it gets some much needed love. So again, from Germin's
1:22:36report, an updated reminders app that better competes with the several to do list programs
1:22:41available on the App Store.
1:22:42The new app has a main screen with four default sections laid out on a grid tasks to be done
1:22:47today.
1:22:48All tasks scheduled tasks and flagged.
1:22:51Each section has its own different colored page that users can add items to.
1:22:56This is not what I want.
1:22:59What is this?
1:23:01This is fine if it's a section of reminders.
1:23:03This sounds like a feature of the new Reminders app, not the whole app. I mean, I hope so.
1:23:10If he's just had one image or one screen described to him, I can see how he got this. But Reminders
1:23:17needs to have lists and then it can have these views to sort things from your lists. Due
1:23:23dates. I don't think this is the whole picture. I choose to believe this is not the whole
1:23:30picture because if it is...
1:23:31Well, it must have due dates, because it's "Churtletusks".
1:23:34Like, this is just the view.
1:23:36This just feels like as you open the app, this is what you see,
1:23:38and then you tap into each of these, right?
1:23:41I guess, you know, when we talked about this,
1:23:44we were imagining more advanced features,
1:23:47because it says to better compete with several to-do list
1:23:51programs.
1:23:52Yeah, they're gunning for you.
1:23:53Remember the milk?
1:23:54Look out.
1:23:55Yeah, like, I don't know, attachments or searches,
1:23:59you know, that kind of stuff.
1:24:01That's what we were hoping for.
1:24:02And instead, when it describes, like, the main screen
1:24:05is grid with four buttons.
1:24:06It's got to be just an incomplete picture.
1:24:11I don't want to be in a situation where
1:24:13the same engineer that did the home app for iOS and the Mac
1:24:18is also in charge of reminders now.
1:24:19Like, this has to be, like, one of the many changes
1:24:24of reminders, right?
1:24:26I hope so.
1:24:28I hope so.
1:24:30Okay, and then one more before the break.
1:24:32A dedicated menu in the messages view,
1:24:35conversation view to send sticker versions of Animoji.
1:24:39So I'd assume this is an iMessage app,
1:24:41but what does sticker versions of Animoji mean?
1:24:43Does this mean Bitmoji?
1:24:44Does it mean-- - Bitmoji!
1:24:45This has gotta be, this has gotta be something,
1:24:48it will be closer to Bitmoji.
1:24:50What I reckon this is, whilst I would love it to be
1:24:53like Bitmoji where they put like an avatar
1:24:56that I create in different circumstances,
1:24:59I think what it will be is your face that you have made or an
1:25:03animal in the standard emoji, like face,
1:25:08like facial expressions.
1:25:10So if you want to send a surprised Memoji image to someone,
1:25:15you don't have to actually make the face anymore, right?
1:25:19You don't have to like open the Memoji app, go, and then take a picture.
1:25:24It will just be there already. And you can just send it to someone,
1:25:28which I think is good. I would like that.
1:25:30I would like it to get closer to Bitmoji,
1:25:32but I think this is something that they should have, right? Like this is,
1:25:36it seems good to me, right? Like I don't, the way it's described,
1:25:41like the very particulars in which it's described seems strange,
1:25:44dedicated menu. I don't know what that means, but, uh,
1:25:48I would very much like to see this. I think that would be great.
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1:28:17Okay, we're going to keep going through this.
1:28:20Gurman says the built-in email application will be updated with the ability to mute individual
1:28:26threads, block incoming email from Cernic contacts, and will come with simpler folder
1:28:32management.
1:28:33What does that mean?
1:28:34And that's it.
1:28:35See you in ten years.
1:28:36Yeah, this is nowhere as much as what 9to5 were talking about.
1:28:419to5Mac reported way more on this one. Like about snoozing and stuff like that.
1:28:48I wonder, like simple folder management is part of that. Like snoozing your email
1:28:56is a way to have simple folder management because you're managing
1:29:00emails in folders. They just happen to be like, you know, actually snoozing.
1:29:06So the MailApp, this is from 9to5, the MailApp is getting smarter for the first time
1:29:10the upgraded app we were to organize messages into categories such as marketing, purchases,
1:29:14travel, not important and more. With the categories being searchable, users will be able to add
1:29:19messages to a read later queue, similar to third party apps. So that's more, that's much
1:29:25more and you could see potentially how it slots into that, like folder management could
1:29:30be the idea of that like the Gmail like promotions thing, but snoozing and like well read later,
1:29:36that's not in here at all. So I don't know.
1:29:39could be happening with mail but yeah there's a long way to go to make it
1:29:42modern. Up next a more organized share sheet which he puts in quotes for
1:29:49sharing photos and web links the software will suggest people to send
1:29:52content to based on how frequently you interact with them. I for one think the
1:29:56share sheet we understand the difference between the two rows but I don't think
1:30:00most people do and I think the idea of like I forget all the time sending to an
1:30:05app or performing an action.
1:30:07I think that's a dumb line, and Apple
1:30:10needs to do a better job at making it simple to send stuff
1:30:13around.
1:30:15Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
1:30:16I agree.
1:30:17It's about time.
1:30:18It was a little more organized, and especially
1:30:21like if you could learn, like when I share PDF documents,
1:30:26for example, I tend to either share them with these people
1:30:29or use these apps and have some kind of smart organization
1:30:33of the options that I have, that would be helpful.
1:30:38- This version of the share sheet is five years old, right?
1:30:42- Yes, it's been around since I was seven or eight, I think.
1:30:46- Yeah.
1:30:47- I think so.
1:30:48One thing that I really hate in the share sheet
1:30:50is how Apple inserts their own services into it
1:30:54and you can't get rid of them.
1:30:55I never want to send anything to Safari reading list,
1:30:57but I can't turn it off.
1:30:58It's just always there mocking me.
1:31:01And I think that's a little gross.
1:31:02- That's a little gross. - It's not mocking you.
1:31:03It's not mocking you.
1:31:05- It feels like it's mocking me.
1:31:07- Yeah, well.
1:31:09- The company is also testing a downloads manager,
1:31:12wait for applause, for its Safari web browser
1:31:15so users can access downloads in a single place
1:31:17like they can on what Gurman calls a computer.
1:31:21An updated files app will also work better
1:31:23with third party software.
1:31:26- This wasn't in the original report.
1:31:28This got added.
1:31:30details about Safari downloads manager and the files app will not referenced in
1:31:34the original report. I find that interesting.
1:31:38There's a few things that are tweaked, but that's a big one. It wasn't in there.
1:31:41This doesn't mean anything specific, but it's just a point that got added.
1:31:46Uh, there was nothing about the files app and the amount of information about,
1:31:51so I think the original report just said that there was going to be a download
1:31:54manager of Safari and then just moved on. Um, but the, uh,
1:31:59Because I was really bummed out by the fact
1:32:01that it said nothing about files.
1:32:03And so I'm pleased that it got mentioned.
1:32:06I think phrases like the access downloads in a single place--
1:32:09like, Germin, he probably has to.
1:32:12Like, a lot of the stuff we pull apart in his reports
1:32:15now are this helper text for people
1:32:18who don't understand what the features are.
1:32:20Like, we know what a downloads manager is, but people don't.
1:32:23But then people get hung up on, well,
1:32:25what does a access download in a single place mean?
1:32:27Like, where is that place?
1:32:28I don't think that's important for the idea of,
1:32:31okay, there's gonna be a downloads manager.
1:32:33Like that's the key here.
1:32:35- And I think that single place should be a file provider,
1:32:38like iCAB has done.
1:32:40It should be a location in files where
1:32:42it could even be like a special location.
1:32:44It doesn't have to be at the same level.
1:32:46- That's like genuinely the most logical place to put it.
1:32:49- Yeah, it should be like a special location in files
1:32:51where you can manage the files
1:32:53that you've downloaded from Safari.
1:32:54So you can tag them and they could be like,
1:32:57they should totally be by default local files.
1:33:00They shouldn't just automatically on their own
1:33:02just waste storage space in iCloud Drive,
1:33:05unless it's what you want.
1:33:06In that case, it should maybe be an option,
1:33:08but I could see it being like a local file provider
1:33:11like iCab, the third-party browser does.
1:33:14What I love about this generic sentence,
1:33:19and I understand why Mark has to do this,
1:33:22but an updated files app will work better
1:33:25with third-party software.
1:33:26That could mean so many things.
1:33:28It could mean third-party file providers,
1:33:30like Dropbox and Google Drive and all these folks.
1:33:32It could also mean the document browser,
1:33:34which is the files UI that third-party software can embed.
1:33:38And there are a whole list of complaints
1:33:40that developers have about the document browser.
1:33:44It could be the kind of APIs that you get if you
1:33:46are an iCloud Drive-enabled app.
1:33:48And what you get on Mac OS compared to what you get on iOS
1:33:53is vastly different.
1:33:55So it could be so many things, I just, you know, it would have been nice to have more details,
1:34:00but I understand if maybe Mark doesn't have these details or doesn't want to share them,
1:34:03or they are maybe too technical to share, in which case I totally understand why.
1:34:08So it's good that at least explicitly mentioning a downloads manager for Safari, that is great news.
1:34:15Cannot believe that we've gone almost 10 years since the iPad launched, I won't even count the iPhone,
1:34:22But the iPad launched nine years ago,
1:34:24and we're finally getting a downloads manager in Safari.
1:34:27That's excellent.
1:34:28- The iPad is going to be getting some unique features,
1:34:31including an updated interface for multitasking,
1:34:34tweaks to the home screen, and the ability to cycle
1:34:37through different versions of the same app.
1:34:39- See, this is also, and I think it,
1:34:42I don't know if it was like in a different version
1:34:44of the report, but I saw like a different look for widgets,
1:34:50like a cleaner appearance for widgets.
1:34:52- He did mention that.
1:34:53- He did mention that.
1:34:55Again, cycling through different versions of the same app.
1:35:00I'm pretty sure that last year,
1:35:02Germin's report said something along the lines
1:35:06of a tabbed view for apps.
1:35:09And a tabbed view is vastly different
1:35:12from multiple versions of the same app.
1:35:15- Every single time this gets mentioned by anyone,
1:35:19The wording is different.
1:35:20Yes.
1:35:21It is impossible to understand conceptually what this is going to look like because there's no consistency.
1:35:27And that could be for many reasons.
1:35:29One, it probably has changed a lot since last year.
1:35:32It could be both.
1:35:33It could also be both.
1:35:34Could be both. It could be multiple things.
1:35:36It could be that people know it's going to exist, but nobody's seen it.
1:35:40Right. That everyone that's talking about the fact that they notice exists, maybe nobody's actually seen what it looks like.
1:35:47They just know that it's there.
1:35:50And this is common across all of the features that
1:35:54were covered in this article.
1:35:56We know the basic details, but aside from reminders,
1:36:01I think, honestly, there are no details of the UI,
1:36:03what it actually looks like in practice.
1:36:05In fact, reminders is the most detailed one.
1:36:07And that's a disappointment because it sounds terrible.
1:36:16All of this stuff is subject to change until it's seen anyway, right?
1:36:19You know, and it's like, I don't know how to bring these things up.
1:36:22Do you remember the health thing?
1:36:23Remember the health app?
1:36:25The Mark Gorman leak of the health app where it was going to look like Passbook,
1:36:28but it looked nothing like Passbook?
1:36:29Mm-hmm.
1:36:30Yeah.
1:36:30Right, like this, you know, UI I feel like is probably the hardest thing to describe
1:36:36because I bet it's the thing that changes the most, right?
1:36:39Like features, like just the basic concept of a feature probably changes way less.
1:36:44Anything else on iOS we want to talk about?
1:36:46I think these are the key things that we care about.
1:36:49I mean, there's a lot of stuff, right?
1:36:51There's like specific health app features and there's tons of little things, but I think
1:36:57these are interesting.
1:36:59I kind of thought, partially thought that iOS 13 may be a little quiet.
1:37:05Like okay, there's some iPad stuff, but the Core OS, like the share sheet, like Safari,
1:37:11Mail, we're going to be kind of quiet this year because of Mars Japan and other things
1:37:15going on, but it seems like it's his full steam ahead on all fronts, which brings us
1:37:20to the Mac.
1:37:22So he says that Mac OS 10.15, of course, support marzipan iPad apps running on the Mac.
1:37:27It says there will be a new Apple music app, which is being developed as a standard Mac
1:37:32program.
1:37:33So I guess you load it in from floppy disks, it sounds like.
1:37:36So that's that'd be exciting.
1:37:37Not marzipan.
1:37:39I guess that's that's an odd way of it's an odd way of phrasing it, which makes me only
1:37:44think that he means it's not marzipan. This is not the iPad music app. Maybe this is something
1:37:49they've been working on for a long time and it predates marzipan or they're unable to get the
1:37:56iOS app far enough along if they want to support certain features that iTunes has. I don't really
1:38:01know why this would be. I would find it interesting if they're going to launch a major new Mac app
1:38:05using app kit. The the way of building apps that is seemingly is going to go away at some point,
1:38:12or at least play second fiddle to marzipan apps from here on out so that's really interesting to
1:38:18see what that could be like and then there's integrations with the siri shortcuts app which is
1:38:23i think the shortcuts app it's not called siri shortcuts oh i would never
1:38:29other things are called siri shortcuts though so it's very confusing it is i mean so the what so
1:38:35what i think this is i don't think i've shared this anywhere i am going with the idea that
1:38:40shortcuts is not coming to the Mac quite yet and that all this is that Siri on
1:38:44the Mac can execute shortcuts like the home home pod can that's all I think
1:38:49that's all I think this is huh I could be I'd love to be wrong but I kind of
1:38:53think this is gonna be like a multi-year thing to get shortcuts on the Mac that's
1:38:58interesting I thought that good theory so we'll see it's a good theory I'm not
1:39:03willing to make it a prediction but it's something I've thought about that maybe
1:39:08this is like not a big deal. Okay I was about to ask. That would be a risky pick
1:39:12probably. Let's finish up with watchOS 6. So I'm just gonna blast through these
1:39:18and we'll talk about them all. Apple is adding an App Store directly to the
1:39:21Apple Watch. Anemoji and Memoji stickers will synchronize from the phone to the
1:39:29watch. More complications, more watch faces. Federico you're the only one of us
1:39:35that's wearing an Apple Watch on any regular basis so do you have any
1:39:37thoughts on this? Not about the animoji and the mimoji. I mean, I just don't find myself
1:39:46communicating that way much. Complications and watch faces. So I saw in the article that
1:39:53you mentioned like those watch faces that I don't understand, like the sun dial, whatever,
1:40:02That's that stuff that looks fancy, but it's not really functional and I tend to be...
1:40:08I agree with CGP Grey when he mentions that the digital watch should be a digital watch and be functional and show you lots of digital things.
1:40:17Now, I don't want to carry the sky on my wrist. That's kind of useless for me.
1:40:25Anyway, so if we can get more complications and more complication types,
1:40:30And complications have gotten a lot better in the past couple of years.
1:40:38All the apps that I use, they're now updating the background, and when you tap them, the
1:40:42app launches fast, so that's good.
1:40:45I hope that we will continue to see more flexibility in terms of making complications with truly
1:40:51custom designs.
1:40:53It shouldn't be necessary for somebody like Underscore to use, what is it, SpriteKit or
1:41:00whatever to make those completely custom UIs.
1:41:03There should be UIKit, but maybe Apple doesn't want to open up UIKit on watchOS.
1:41:09So my wish is for Apple not to focus just on the fancy watch faces that watch people
1:41:18understand, but to continue making utilitarian and functional watch faces for people who
1:41:23actually want to use a digital watch, and more complication slots and shapes and
1:41:30ways for developers to put custom icons, animations, text, whatever in
1:41:37those slots. So continue down this road, and the article also mentions a bunch of
1:41:42apps that Apple is making for the watch, which is great. You're gonna have
1:41:47the ability to listen to audiobooks using a watch version of the Books app.
1:41:51That makes sense because it's audio content.
1:41:55They're gonna make a calculator,
1:41:56so that's gonna be interesting to see the competition
1:41:58with Pcalc, you know, a custom watch kit app
1:42:01compared to the preparatory UI kit version
1:42:04that Apple is making.
1:42:05So that will be interesting.
1:42:06I cannot remember the other apps
1:42:09that were mentioned in the article.
1:42:10There's gonna be a, oh, there's a couple of ones.
1:42:12- There was a hill tracker and a measuring tracker.
1:42:14- I should mention both of these
1:42:15because I told Sylvia she was very excited
1:42:18about this ability.
1:42:19She uses both a third-party app for tracking your cycle and a third-party app for pill
1:42:24reminders.
1:42:25So, ideally, the same system could be integrated, it could be a native function of the Apple
1:42:32Watch.
1:42:33Ryan, in the Mac story Slack, and I'm sorry Ryan for stealing your idea, but at least
1:42:37I'm giving credit, he brought up an interesting possibility that maybe this "Dose", I think
1:42:46It's the name that Gurman mentioned, the Pill Reminder app and the Cycle Tracking app.
1:42:52It would be interesting if they have any kind of reminders integration, because those apps
1:42:58are all about reminders, and Apple is making major updates to reminders, so maybe there
1:43:05could be some kind of integration between these new apps based on dates and cycles and
1:43:10reminders and Apple's new Reminders app.
1:43:14could be fascinating to see. In any case, this is great, so definitely looking forward
1:43:21to the new Apple apps on the watch. But yeah, I hope that developers at least get more freedom
1:43:28and more design options is what I'm hoping to see.
1:43:33I think it will be a shame to not still have custom watch faces.
1:43:38I'm still torn on that.
1:43:40Like, um...
1:43:41I feel like opening up custom watch faces, I know what it's gonna do to me.
1:43:47Like, I'm gonna be wasting too much time trying all kinds of ugly watch faces.
1:43:53It's the same... It kind of reminds me, this possibility, of the problem that I had
1:43:59when I used to jailbreak my iPhone.
1:44:01I was constantly trying new themes and new mods, and they all sucked.
1:44:06because you know they were created just because it was possible.
1:44:10So I don't know. I don't know how I feel about custom watch faces.
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1:45:00And Federico, you had a little teaser on Twitter the other day about some new projects you're
1:45:04on so that'll be exciting to see whatever that is. In a bunch of different
1:45:09places not just Mac stories is all I want to say. It's gonna be an exciting month.
1:45:16iOS stories is coming. You ruined it Myke. Way to go man. He told us to keep it quiet.
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