Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 238.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by FreshBooks,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Squarespace, and Warby Parker.

00:00:17 ◼   ► I'm your host, Stephen Hackett,

00:00:18 ◼   ► and because it is an even episode,

00:00:20 ◼   ► I will first announce Mr. Federico Vittigi.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - Hello, Stephen.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Hello, hello everybody.

00:00:25 ◼   ► I'm back in my rightful spot

00:00:27 ◼   ► as the first, what's her name?

00:00:30 ◼   ► Introductee, is that a word?

00:00:32 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Yes, cool, that's good.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I like that.

00:00:35 ◼   ► - So here I am, hi, hi.

00:00:37 ◼   ► - Bringing up the rear, we have Myke Hurley.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - This is bull (beep)

00:00:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:44 ◼   ► What up, boys?

00:00:46 ◼   ► I've got jet lag.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Let's do this thing.

00:00:49 ◼   ► - Oh, hi, Myke.

00:00:53 ◼   ► Welcome back.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:00:55 ◼   ► - To Europe.

00:00:56 ◼   ► I just saw you just a few days ago.

00:00:58 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:00:59 ◼   ► - We were in Atlanta together,

00:01:01 ◼   ► where we did a live episode of "Ungeniused,"

00:01:05 ◼   ► and then y'all did a live episode of "The Pen Addict"

00:01:08 ◼   ► at the "Elena Pen Show."

00:01:09 ◼   ► Always a super fun trip.

00:01:11 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.

00:01:12 ◼   ► We'll put links to those in the show notes.

00:01:14 ◼   ► - Show well.

00:01:15 ◼   ► - But we have some follow-up,

00:01:17 ◼   ► and the first piece here says,

00:01:20 ◼   ► "Federico's whole childhood was a lie."

00:01:23 ◼   ► So. - Yes, yes.

00:01:25 ◼   ► What's happening?

00:01:27 ◼   ► I made a very unsettling discovery

00:01:31 ◼   ► as I was doing some research around a thing

00:01:35 ◼   ► that I mentioned last week.

00:01:37 ◼   ► And that made me very sad.

00:01:39 ◼   ► And I spoke about this with Sylvia, my girlfriend,

00:01:42 ◼   ► and we were shaken by this discovery.

00:01:47 ◼   ► When Myke made a joke about the keyboard butler,

00:01:51 ◼   ► and he said, "Keeves."

00:01:53 ◼   ► And I didn't know why it was that funny, and he mentioned how Jeeves is this figure,

00:01:59 ◼   ► this butler figure from, I don't know, some movie or TV show? Like, what's it from?

00:02:04 ◼   ► Book series. It's a book series and TV show.

00:02:07 ◼   ► And I said, "Oh, like Ambrogio." And Ambrogio was this character, this butler, for the commercials

00:02:16 ◼   ► of a popular little chocolate thing. The Ferrero Rocher. You guys are familiar with those,

00:02:24 ◼   ► right? Oh, you didn't have the Ambassador ads? No, no, we had the lady, we call it like

00:02:34 ◼   ► the lady in yellow or something. And she was the lady of the Ferrero Rocher. And Ambrogio

00:02:40 ◼   ► was her butler and he, you know, drove the car and just randomly popped up to make sure

00:02:47 ◼   ► that she had, you know, her daily dose of Ferrero Rocher. That was what Ambrogio was

00:02:53 ◼   ► meant to do, to supply her with Ferrero Rochers as much as possible. And, but what I discovered

00:03:01 ◼   ► is that by, you know, just googling Ambrogio Ferrero Rocher, that kind of stuff. Ambrogio

00:03:07 ◼   ► is a British man. Ambrogio is not Italian. Ambrogio is a British actor named Paul Williamson,

00:03:15 ◼   ► who is still alive and is very old at this point, but is still, I think is still working

00:03:20 ◼   ► actually. And so yeah, Ambrogio, not an Italian butler, but a British butler playing Italian.

00:03:29 ◼   ► And I should have known, I guess at the time I didn't notice that there was voiceover going

00:03:32 ◼   ► on. I re-watched the commercials and you can tell that it's, you know, even the actress,

00:03:38 ◼   ► the lady, she's an American actress, I think.

00:03:41 ◼   ► That's super interesting because I don't remember these ads, like for a Rocher, like there's

00:03:46 ◼   ► this thing about the ambassador, it's like that was like the advertising campaign for

00:03:50 ◼   ► my entire life. So it's strange that these were dubbed, but I don't know them because

00:03:56 ◼   ► I would have expected that they would be the UK ads and then they dubbed them, right? Like

00:04:00 ◼   ► what you would think but that I don't think that's what happened.

00:04:04 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, so Ambrogio, not an Italian butler but just, you know, whatever capitalism served

00:04:14 ◼   ► in terms of actors and commercials. So very sad follow-up, very sad story. I feel like

00:04:20 ◼   ► this is, you know, it was one of the key figures of, you know, my childhood in terms of TV

00:04:27 ◼   ► consumption you know the Ferrero Rocher commercial and Ambrogio it's like it's

00:04:30 ◼   ► like a joke that people use in Italy like yeah literally like I used it last

00:04:34 ◼   ► week. What I just said about ambassador you're spoiling us that is a joke that

00:04:40 ◼   ► people in the UK use right like it was there was these fancy dinners at like

00:04:44 ◼   ► ambassadors house or whatever and then someone will bring out like this pyramid

00:04:48 ◼   ► tray for a Rocher and someone will go ambassador you're spoiling us and like that is like a

00:04:54 ◼   ► thing that people say to each other is like a it's like a meme right it's like

00:04:58 ◼   ► if someone's like you go in someone's house and they have like a bunch of like

00:05:01 ◼   ► oh I'm Bassety you're spoiling us so yeah yeah or like when when someone is

00:05:06 ◼   ► bald and you call him mr. clean you know stuff like that yeah not so much but

00:05:12 ◼   ► sure it's it's in that vein sort of when commercials and advertisements well I'm

00:05:17 ◼   ► very very sorry that that we had to be the reason you found out that your

00:05:22 ◼   ► entire childhood was a lie. Yeah, also Ferrer Rocher is not sponsoring this episode, so

00:05:27 ◼   ► this is a true story. Okay, I'm glad we got that taken care of. It did remind me of Kate's

00:05:35 ◼   ► awesome tweet where she illustrated Keeves presenting a iPad keyboard case on what appears

00:05:42 ◼   ► to be a golden platter because that's what keyboards deserve to be presented on. Yeah,

00:05:50 ◼   ► And I love the lettering in this artwork.

00:05:54 ◼   ► The 3D effect is very, very good.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Yes.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Kate is the official illustrator of Connected.

00:05:59 ◼   ► Just hands down.

00:06:02 ◼   ► We have some feedback about health kit data between multiple phones.

00:06:09 ◼   ► I think this came up in Federico's multi-watch lifestyle section of the show.

00:06:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:15 ◼   ► Oh no, I think it was when we were talking about iCloud, like that you can't have health

00:06:19 ◼   ► - It was iPhone. - It syncs from iPhone

00:06:20 ◼   ► to iPad, but it does sync from iPhone to iPhone.

00:06:23 ◼   ► - Yes, so Saphon corrected us saying it does sync

00:06:26 ◼   ► between two iPhones, but that it is,

00:06:28 ◼   ► this is quoting, "Ridiculously slow,

00:06:31 ◼   ► "so slow that you would think it doesn't work at all."

00:06:34 ◼   ► - I love that. - I love that phrasing.

00:06:36 ◼   ► - I can add that I was told privately

00:06:41 ◼   ► that it does merge, of course, between devices.

00:06:44 ◼   ► So it syncs and emerges.

00:06:47 ◼   ► It's just, it's kinda slow because it's,

00:06:49 ◼   ► I think it's due to the encryption going on.

00:06:52 ◼   ► But it does work as we hoped it would.

00:06:55 ◼   ► So even more so, it means it is technically possible

00:06:58 ◼   ► for Apple to actually use this data on the iPad

00:07:02 ◼   ► even though the iPad will not capture any data,

00:07:05 ◼   ► it can at least present it.

00:07:07 ◼   ► So that would be technically possible already.

00:07:09 ◼   ► - Federica, let me ask you a question.

00:07:10 ◼   ► You may not know the answer,

00:07:11 ◼   ► but I know the A12 processor in the iPhone

00:07:15 ◼   ► has that motion coprocessor.

00:07:17 ◼   ► Does that just not exist on the iPad?

00:07:20 ◼   ► - I am not sure.

00:07:21 ◼   ► I think it does not exist,

00:07:23 ◼   ► but I would need to double check on that.

00:07:25 ◼   ► - It just popped in my head.

00:07:26 ◼   ► I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

00:07:27 ◼   ► - But my feeling is it does not have that processor.

00:07:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay.

00:07:32 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:07:33 ◼   ► - I mean, I guess, why would it, right?

00:07:35 ◼   ► It's like it's tracking your steps.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Although I think it also does

00:07:39 ◼   ► some of the Ahoy telephone stuff? The Wikipedia page for the motion core processor says that

00:07:46 ◼   ► it's in the A12X bionic. Okay, so maybe it's there but it's just not doing... It's used

00:07:52 ◼   ► for different things. Doing things. Yeah. So the function is to collect sensor data

00:07:57 ◼   ► from integrated accelerometers, gyroscopes, and compasses and offload the collecting and

00:08:01 ◼   ► processing of sensor data from the main central processing unit. And the iPads still have

00:08:06 ◼   ► stuff in them you can go for a walk with an iPad and use the app as a pedometer I

00:08:11 ◼   ► guess I actually don't know it's the I actually don't know if you can't do that

00:08:15 ◼   ► though right like it has the chip in it but can you actually do that I don't

00:08:18 ◼   ► know yeah this feels like school yeah say this was like a question for

00:08:22 ◼   ► underscore you can strap an iPad to your chest running up you could actually

00:08:28 ◼   ► install a knife a knife oh my god underscore just join the chat we have

00:08:32 ◼   ► summoned David Smith and apparently it doesn't do step counting. That is one of the craziest

00:08:38 ◼   ► things that's ever happened. Why did that? David's just like, he's just like lurking

00:08:42 ◼   ► somewhere. That was such a crazy thing to see. If you say his name, he will appear.

00:08:49 ◼   ► Can we summon David on demand? Is that how this works?

00:08:53 ◼   ► Underscore as a service.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Well, he crushed my dream of strapping an iPad to my chest and using it as a step counter.

00:09:01 ◼   ► You could still do that and just want to work as a step counter.

00:09:04 ◼   ► Also I would look like a crazy person but that's a different problem.

00:09:07 ◼   ► Maybe like an Iron Man type thing.

00:09:08 ◼   ► Kind of, yeah.

00:09:10 ◼   ► Myke, tell us what's going on in the UK with Apple Music.

00:09:15 ◼   ► Oh, I wonder where you were going with that.

00:09:17 ◼   ► Like in general, I have no idea.

00:09:19 ◼   ► I can't help you.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Walk away from that.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Easy, easy.

00:09:22 ◼   ► Nobody knows.

00:09:23 ◼   ► Apple Music is finally available on the Echo in the UK.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Congratulations.

00:09:29 ◼   ► I haven't set it up because I decided I actually don't care about having it because I don't want to listen to music on

00:09:35 ◼   ► my gen 1 echo or an echo dot but

00:09:39 ◼   ► It's available now

00:09:41 ◼   ► So I just wanted to follow up on something which is so ridiculous that Amazon takes so long to roll out features to other echo

00:09:48 ◼   ► Products, but it's now available and you have spent some time with an iPad mini, I believe

00:09:54 ◼   ► yeah, a friend of mine Thomas at the pen show had it and he brought like the iPad mini and the Apple pencil and

00:10:00 ◼   ► It's a really great device. I just don't think it has a fit for me like this was basically what you were saying too, right?

00:10:07 ◼   ► You use it and I if this looked like an iPad Pro

00:10:10 ◼   ► It would be a very different scenario but like so much of it feels like a step back from what I'm used to

00:10:16 ◼   ► Yeah, if you are an iPad mini owner

00:10:19 ◼   ► This is like a no-brainer upgrade totally because it moves super smooth super fast. It looks fantastic, right?

00:10:26 ◼   ► Like it's got all of the stuff that you love about it and you know, so go for it. Like it's wild like go crazy

00:10:32 ◼   ► In and the Apple pencil is great on it, but it's the Apple pencil is way too big it just is

00:10:38 ◼   ► disproportionately

00:10:40 ◼   ► Bonkers using an Apple pencil that is about as big as the iPad mini like that. It just feels super weird to do that

00:10:48 ◼   ► But it's you know, it's it's it's available if you want it

00:10:51 ◼   ► I think it's a good product, but I'm pleased I didn't get one because I just don't I wouldn't use it like

00:10:56 ◼   ► My multi-pad lifestyle setup is pretty pretty set right now, and I don't need a device like this, but it

00:11:04 ◼   ► It's definitely a great upgrade for people that want that kind of device in their lives

00:11:09 ◼   ► So I did also I was talking to a friend of mine

00:11:12 ◼   ► He says Pontus and he was at the pensioner - and he had an iPod touch

00:11:16 ◼   ► with him and

00:11:18 ◼   ► I was holding the iPod touch and was like, oh man, this is such so thin and light and then I remembered

00:11:24 ◼   ► the fun fact about the thinnest iOS device, which is the new iPad and

00:11:30 ◼   ► It was funny because Brad had his iPad Pro to put them down on a table next to each other and like that device is

00:11:36 ◼   ► Thinner than this one, although you'd never believe it. Yeah

00:11:39 ◼   ► and it's it's like a

00:11:41 ◼   ► Super fit thin difference like that the difference is like minuscule, but it is possible to see it

00:11:46 ◼   ► But it's just hilarious when you're holding the iPod touch

00:11:49 ◼   ► Which is like feels still like this impossibly thin and light but does that it is no longer the thinnest iOS device both new iPads

00:11:56 ◼   ► Are thinner than it's it's almost as if device thickness is not a problem for USB C like people yeah some people think it is

00:12:03 ◼   ► They can go thinner and still be USB C on the iPhone just a whole not hope and endless hope

00:12:10 ◼   ► Well, I mean irrespective of the iPads other phones have USB C. Mm-hmm

00:12:14 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, maybe Apple have like boxed themselves into a thermal corner with it

00:12:18 ◼   ► But it is definitely possible to put USB C into phones and this isn't a thing like oh

00:12:24 ◼   ► I'm not dying for him to do it. I would love them to do it

00:12:27 ◼   ► But if I have to wait another couple of years, I'll wait another couple of years

00:12:30 ◼   ► But I would really like to see USB C come to the iPhone at some point. I just I just wanted one

00:12:35 ◼   ► Cable for everything I had this while traveling this weekend right and a hotel a multi charger and it's like oh

00:12:40 ◼   ► I have a USB C cable for my iPad and my MacBook but lightning for my phone and yeah

00:12:46 ◼   ► I think it's like I had like we have all of the downsides of USB C without the major upside

00:12:53 ◼   ► The only I was thinking about this and it feels to me like the only upside of lightning

00:12:59 ◼   ► Is that it is the existing connector and hundreds or?

00:13:04 ◼   ► The only benefit is do not change it because it's going to be annoying.

00:13:09 ◼   ► And I guess maybe you could argue that if you get a Lightning cable from Apple or one of the MI5 ones,

00:13:17 ◼   ► it's always going to work irrespective of data transfers or charging rates,

00:13:22 ◼   ► those kinds of issues that maybe are still a problem with USB-C.

00:13:27 ◼   ► I feel like they used to be a problem. I feel like the situation has gotten better on that front.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Everyone knows since we've got USB 2x2 SuperSpeed XFL.

00:13:36 ◼   ► Yeah, but I feel like now that you know, once you know,

00:13:39 ◼   ► OK, thick cable means also data transfers, standard cable just means charging.

00:13:45 ◼   ► Yeah, it's still confusing.

00:13:48 ◼   ► So you can argue that lining is easier to understand.

00:13:51 ◼   ► Just get a lightning cable.

00:13:52 ◼   ► But also the Apple lightning cables are terrible

00:13:55 ◼   ► because they always break eventually after a few months.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Like everybody I know complains about the lightning cables.

00:14:01 ◼   ► everybody. So now thankfully I just saw that Anker launched this week the first MiFi USB-C

00:14:09 ◼   ► to Lightning cable that's out on amazon.com at least. But really, to me personally, I feel like

00:14:16 ◼   ► the only benefit of keeping Lightning is keeping Lightning so you don't have to change it. But,

00:14:22 ◼   ► you know, I would love to have USB-C. Not to the extent though that I've seen some people say

00:14:27 ◼   ► unless Apple puts USB-C in the next iPhone, I'm not gonna buy the next iPhone.

00:14:31 ◼   ► I'm not like that. I'm gonna buy the next iPhone, even if it doesn't have USB-C.

00:14:35 ◼   ► But, you know, one can dream.

00:14:37 ◼   ► I did just go to Anker's website to get that, to get a link to the cable,

00:14:42 ◼   ► which I put in the show notes. They actually link straight out to Amazon,

00:14:44 ◼   ► which is kind of interesting to me. But they had a marketing hashtag, which I like,

00:14:48 ◼   ► which is #UsernakerInstead, which I just think is really friggin' good.

00:14:53 ◼   ► That is good.

00:14:54 ◼   ► That is a brand that understands themselves. Like, their main thing here is like,

00:15:00 ◼   ► ditch your freebie charges, hashtag use anchor instead. It's very good. I like that.

00:15:05 ◼   ► It's what people say.

00:15:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's very clever. I like that. I think that's good work, anchor marketing people.

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00:16:52 ◼   ► So Steven, you've been out in the field doing some serious testing for us.

00:16:56 ◼   ► Can you do a report on your findings?

00:17:01 ◼   ► Sure.

00:17:02 ◼   ► So I'll put a link in the chat room as well.

00:17:05 ◼   ► This link in the show notes is to a completely shattered Apple Watch Series 4.

00:17:11 ◼   ► My Apple Watch Series 4.

00:17:14 ◼   ► Did you finally do the drop test we've all been looking for?

00:17:17 ◼   ► That's right.

00:17:18 ◼   ► my YouTube channel, it's not really growing the way I want it to, I should drop some stuff.

00:17:23 ◼   ► No, no, that's not what happened. So I was on a bike ride yesterday wearing a helmet

00:17:30 ◼   ► because you should always wear a helmet when you're riding a bicycle. People who don't

00:17:35 ◼   ► are just asking for trouble.

00:17:36 ◼   ► Or electric skateboards.

00:17:38 ◼   ► Or an electric skateboard. Or rollerblades.

00:17:44 ◼   ► Or a spaceship.

00:17:45 ◼   ► A spaceship? You should wear a helmet, definitely.

00:17:47 ◼   ► That's a good one.

00:17:48 ◼   ► Gravitational boots.

00:17:49 ◼   ► Not enough people talk about these these days Federico, I'm really pleased that you called

00:17:54 ◼   ► that out, you know.

00:17:55 ◼   ► Yeah, for sure.

00:17:56 ◼   ► Spaceship safety is a real concern.

00:17:58 ◼   ► We want to get on the record about this.

00:18:00 ◼   ► We believe in spaceship safety.

00:18:03 ◼   ► We do.

00:18:04 ◼   ► So I was on my road bike and I had a little tumble and I learned a few things.

00:18:10 ◼   ► One, fall detection on the Apple Watch does work if you crash a bicycle into the ground.

00:18:16 ◼   ► kind of laying there doing a self-assessment.

00:18:19 ◼   ► I'm okay, like, I sprained a wrist,

00:18:21 ◼   ► but that's the worst of it.

00:18:22 ◼   ► I was kind of checking out, like, am I okay to get up?

00:18:25 ◼   ► And, 'cause there's no one around, thankfully,

00:18:27 ◼   ► 'cause I'm sure it looked awesome.

00:18:29 ◼   ► And all of a sudden my watch,

00:18:31 ◼   ► which I hadn't realized is broken at this point,

00:18:33 ◼   ► is just going crazy, saying,

00:18:35 ◼   ► "Hey, it looks like you've taken a hard fall.

00:18:37 ◼   ► "We're gonna call emergency services

00:18:39 ◼   ► "and your contact information."

00:18:39 ◼   ► - How is it alerting you?

00:18:41 ◼   ► Is it making a sound or like, buzz it?

00:18:42 ◼   ► Like, what's it doing?

00:18:43 ◼   ► vibrating way harder and faster than I've ever noticed it doing. I don't know

00:18:50 ◼   ► if it was making a sound or not actually. I have my watch on silent I just don't

00:18:53 ◼   ► recall. I'm gonna say yes that it was making a noise but I'm not

00:18:57 ◼   ► positive. It probably was because if you do the emergency SOS it makes a sound

00:19:02 ◼   ► even if you don't even if you have it silent. I didn't have my notes app out

00:19:07 ◼   ► taking notes for the show in this moment as I'm pulling myself together. You're just

00:19:10 ◼   ► not dedicated enough. I know I'm sorry I'm sorry and so then I pick my wrist up

00:19:16 ◼   ► and I realized that a my watch is totally shattered and then I say hey yes

00:19:21 ◼   ► I'm okay please don't call 911 or my wife just gonna end that now and so yeah

00:19:27 ◼   ► so fall detection works and my watch is broken but I have AppleCare Plus even

00:19:33 ◼   ► though don't wear this watch every day anymore I do really like it for exercise

00:19:37 ◼   ► tracking and so I'm like I have an appointment later this week to get it

00:19:40 ◼   ► uh swapped out. I have never met anybody that breaks as many Apple devices as you

00:19:47 ◼   ► do. It is unbelievable the amount of stuff that you break. It's true. You were I

00:19:52 ◼   ► think every iPhone you have owned since I've known you you've had to have

00:19:55 ◼   ► repaired. I've broken several phones this is also my second watch I've broken.

00:20:00 ◼   ► Would you describe yourself as a clumsy person? No I just happen to crash a

00:20:05 ◼   ► a bicycle every 18 months or so. For somebody who like worships computers to the level that

00:20:11 ◼   ► you do, that you built a shrine. That's the thing, it needs to break them to fully love

00:20:16 ◼   ► them. If I don't see the insides of them then it just doesn't mean anything. I thought that

00:20:22 ◼   ► was going a different direction, like as someone who's into computers you're outside a lot,

00:20:25 ◼   ► I was like well that's kind of harsh. Well that is also true, but like stop trying to

00:20:30 ◼   ► this better of being like, "Oh, I was exercising." You still, you still, you exercise too hard

00:20:35 ◼   ► is what happened. Yeah. And then now you have a hole in your watch. And my body. But I did

00:20:42 ◼   ► break, I did break my original Apple Watch, also working out. So, well that I really wasn't

00:20:48 ◼   ► working out. It was in the locker at the gym and I dropped it out of the locker. That,

00:20:52 ◼   ► it's just, your muscles just got so big that it just popped the watch right off, right?

00:20:57 ◼   ► That's what you're saying.

00:20:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:59 ◼   ► Why hasn't Tim Cook shared this story already?

00:21:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:21:03 ◼   ► Because I'm taking a break from Twitter, so he hasn't seen it, I guess.

00:21:06 ◼   ► He'll hear it on the podcast, probably.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Sure.

00:21:09 ◼   ► So yeah, that's all the story really is.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Like I said, I'm pretty okay.

00:21:13 ◼   ► A little banged up, but I'll survive.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Wear a helmet.

00:21:16 ◼   ► I would like our listeners to start a petition to please ask you to stop just being so aggressive.

00:21:22 ◼   ► I mean, there has to be a different type of workout you can do.

00:21:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:26 ◼   ► You're always falling off that bike, man.

00:21:28 ◼   ► Like, just please stop it.

00:21:30 ◼   ► I've had two crashes in like four years.

00:21:32 ◼   ► It's a pretty good--

00:21:34 ◼   ► Well, it's more than zero crashes

00:21:36 ◼   ► that I've had because I work out at home.

00:21:38 ◼   ► I think it's time that we need to review our company life

00:21:41 ◼   ► insurance.

00:21:42 ◼   ► Oh, it's really good.

00:21:43 ◼   ► Don't worry.

00:21:44 ◼   ► Yeah, well, I want to review it.

00:21:45 ◼   ► I just want to make sure it covers mountain bike accidents.

00:21:47 ◼   ► I wasn't on the mountain bike.

00:21:49 ◼   ► I was on the road bike.

00:21:50 ◼   ► Different things.

00:21:51 ◼   ► All right, road bikes then.

00:21:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:53 ◼   ► It was the first crash on this bike, and I'm sad.

00:21:56 ◼   ► damage to the bike. Did you break the bike? It's not broken, it's just scraped up and

00:22:00 ◼   ► I bent a wheel a little bit. Okay. But it'll lift. And the handlebars fell off and the

00:22:04 ◼   ► seat exploded. Yeah, I mean, I had to take it back to my truck in pieces, but it's fine.

00:22:09 ◼   ► But it's fine. I have all the pieces, so they're not broken. I did make it back to my car,

00:22:15 ◼   ► and I'm sure I looked like something really terrible happened, because I'm holding one arm

00:22:19 ◼   ► against me because my wrist really hurt, and I'm bleeding down my leg. It's like,

00:22:23 ◼   ► I'm fine. Just carry on with your day. It's totally cool. Anyways, that's enough about me.

00:22:29 ◼   ► Myke, you have a dilemma to face, and you have come to the right place.

00:22:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:36 ◼   ► You are looking to purchase a new television, and I think this is where, if we could use our

00:22:43 ◼   ► chat room power, we would summon John Syracuse, but he's probably at work. So what are you looking

00:22:48 ◼   ► for and what like what are your list of needs and maybe we can help you decide

00:22:53 ◼   ► what you should get. All right. I haven't bought a TV since like 2010 so I'm

00:22:57 ◼   ► definitely on top of this. Okie dokie. Eurovision's coming up.

00:23:01 ◼   ► So like how people buy new televisions for the Super Bowl, we're

00:23:08 ◼   ► thinking, well we're planning to host a little Eurovision party here at a

00:23:13 ◼   ► mega Cortex cottage or whatever we call this place. So I want to get a new TV.

00:23:19 ◼   ► We've had our current TV for like two or three years and it's been very good for

00:23:23 ◼   ► us. We have like a Panasonic something and it has it like it was one of the

00:23:29 ◼   ► good HDR TVs back when HDR was like starting to happen. But I wanted I want

00:23:35 ◼   ► to get a bigger TV like we were a bit reserved and we could have a much bigger

00:23:38 ◼   ► TV than we have and it would still be fine in the room. I think like most

00:23:41 ◼   ► people, you're always concerned that the TV is going to be too big.

00:23:44 ◼   ► Right. So I figured there's a lot of interesting stuff happening with HomeKit

00:23:49 ◼   ► right now in TVs, 4K and HDR is getting better on all of these TVs.

00:23:54 ◼   ► Plus, we have an event coming up which is very television focused.

00:23:57 ◼   ► So I want to get a new TV.

00:23:58 ◼   ► And I don't know.

00:24:00 ◼   ► I remember having this conversation.

00:24:02 ◼   ► If you could, if everyone can cast their minds back to when this news started

00:24:06 ◼   ► breaking around CES, that I said at some point I'm going to get to a point

00:24:09 ◼   ► where I'm going to need a new TV and I'm not going to have any idea what one to get based

00:24:15 ◼   ► on all the features that are available.

00:24:17 ◼   ► And here I am, I'm at that point.

00:24:19 ◼   ► Because initially I thought the Samsung TVs would be the best ones because they have the

00:24:25 ◼   ► TV app built into them.

00:24:27 ◼   ► But I still want to use the Apple TV, so that's not important, right?

00:24:31 ◼   ► Necessarily to have the TV app.

00:24:33 ◼   ► Especially now that we know that at some point, we know this now, like the LG TVs and the

00:24:39 ◼   ► other companies that I don't remember. Can anybody help me? What are the three companies?

00:24:43 ◼   ► LG, Visio, Sony and Visio, they're all getting the Apple TV app at some point. So the most

00:24:50 ◼   ► important thing for me then is HomeKit support, right? As well as, obviously if it's a television,

00:24:57 ◼   ► I want it to be a good television, like good panel, 4K, HDR and all that stuff, but we

00:25:01 ◼   ► assume that parts are given, right? But what I want to have is the HomeKit support because

00:25:08 ◼   ► just feels like something that I should go for now. You know what I mean? I feel like

00:25:12 ◼   ► that is like, oh, there's probably some good stuff in there. I know that you've enjoyed

00:25:16 ◼   ► at Federico with your like, homebridge setup. So what I basically am looking for is what

00:25:22 ◼   ► is the best TV panel, which isn't incredibly expensive, that has homekit support?

00:25:28 ◼   ► OK, so there are some questions that I need you to answer.

00:25:36 ◼   ► Well, mostly I think it's a matter of taste in terms of certain specifics.

00:25:43 ◼   ► Like, would you like a TV that has a really good soundbar integrated with it,

00:25:48 ◼   ► or do you feel like the soundbar is not necessary?

00:25:51 ◼   ► I hadn't thought about a soundbar before.

00:25:55 ◼   ► Also, do you want... so you say you can live without the iTunes app, because you're gonna

00:26:02 ◼   ► use an Apple TV anyway, but you want HomeKit.

00:26:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:26:07 ◼   ► Do you... and here's where my personal taste comes in, I would strongly recommend that

00:26:12 ◼   ► you get an OLED TV.

00:26:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:15 ◼   ► Not just... okay.

00:26:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I want an OLED TV, because I want to get, like, the best panel that I can get as

00:26:21 ◼   ► well, right?

00:26:22 ◼   ► Alright.

00:26:23 ◼   ► give me the best HDR and stuff.

00:26:26 ◼   ► All right, so I recommend you read through--

00:26:28 ◼   ► there's a Digital Foundry article.

00:26:31 ◼   ► And for those unaware, Digital Foundry

00:26:33 ◼   ► is like the technical vertical, as they call it,

00:26:37 ◼   ► like the section of Eurogamer, which

00:26:39 ◼   ► is this excellent video game website, where

00:26:43 ◼   ► they do technical analysis of all kinds of video games

00:26:45 ◼   ► and performance issues and that kind of stuff.

00:26:48 ◼   ► And they have an article about the best 4K TVs for gaming.

00:26:52 ◼   ► So if you're going to use this for video games, and I think you are because you love video

00:26:56 ◼   ► games and you have a PS4 Pro now, you want to get a TV that has very low input latency.

00:27:03 ◼   ► That would be the time between when you press a button on a controller and when you see

00:27:07 ◼   ► the action on screen.

00:27:08 ◼   ► So you want to make sure that you get around 20, 22 millisecond input latency, that kind

00:27:13 ◼   ► of stuff.

00:27:14 ◼   ► And of course, this article has all the details here that you need to care about.

00:27:19 ◼   ► Also, you want to check how a panel deals with 1080p content, because not all content is going to be ready in 4K.

00:27:28 ◼   ► Of course, you have a PS4 Pro, so that's not an issue, but for example with the Nintendo Switch, you're going to play in 1080p.

00:27:34 ◼   ► So you want to see, is this EV going to do some kind of filtering for 1080p? What kind of upscaling mode it's going to offer?

00:27:42 ◼   ► And there's of course, you also need to check for example, do you want to have

00:27:47 ◼   ► What's it called HDR plus or do you want to have Dolby Vision?

00:27:51 ◼   ► I personally recommend Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos.

00:27:54 ◼   ► The thing is though, some of these questions, I don't know.

00:27:58 ◼   ► But that one you just asked me.

00:28:00 ◼   ► Okay, so my personal advice would be get an LG TV, which also happens to be the top recommendation from

00:28:09 ◼   ► Eurogamer, the new version of the LG, the C model.

00:28:14 ◼   ► This one is called the C8.

00:28:17 ◼   ► I think it should be the 2019 model,

00:28:19 ◼   ► which has HomeKit integration.

00:28:21 ◼   ► It's gonna have HomeKit integration,

00:28:23 ◼   ► and it runs WebOS.

00:28:24 ◼   ► This TV has-- - Wait, it doesn't have it yet?

00:28:26 ◼   ► - I don't think it has it yet,

00:28:30 ◼   ► but LG promised that this is one of the models

00:28:33 ◼   ► that's gonna get HomeKit via software update.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - I don't know about that. - The 2019 LG,

00:28:38 ◼   ► I mean, it's on Apple's website, so, you know.

00:28:41 ◼   ► - So is AirPower, mister.

00:28:43 ◼   ► - Hey-o, there it is.

00:28:45 ◼   ► Somebody ring the AirPower bell.

00:28:47 ◼   ► - Even if they don't deliver on this,

00:28:49 ◼   ► you're still gonna have Homebridge,

00:28:50 ◼   ► but I understand you wanna have the native integration.

00:28:52 ◼   ► LG promised the 2019 models and beyond

00:28:55 ◼   ► will have the native HomeKit support.

00:28:57 ◼   ► This one has Dolby Vision, which is HDR,

00:29:01 ◼   ► Dolby Atmos, which is a really good sound,

00:29:04 ◼   ► but I don't think it's got a soundbar built in,

00:29:06 ◼   ► but I can tell you, Myke.

00:29:07 ◼   ► It doesn't. People, it's like recommending the Sonos on Amazon's website.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Okay. I have an LG OLED TV. I have the B line. I have the B7.

00:29:18 ◼   ► Your TV is amazing.

00:29:21 ◼   ► It sounds really good. You've seen it. It's a big panel. It looks fantastic. It's super

00:29:28 ◼   ► fine for gaming. I have an Xbox One X. I have a PS4 Pro and I have a Switch. I looked up

00:29:34 ◼   ► to this TV and it's beautiful. WebOS, personally, I've seen other Sony and

00:29:39 ◼   ► Android TVs. I prefer WebOS. It's actually fast, it works okay, and when you're actually

00:29:48 ◼   ► watching, I don't know if you watch live television, but it's got all these integrations like with

00:29:53 ◼   ► smart TV stuff that you can use from the remote, it works really great. There are other options.

00:30:01 ◼   ► I think you could get another Panasonic OLED that's also recommended by Digital Foundry.

00:30:08 ◼   ► But personally, I don't know Vizio myself. I've never seen or tested the Vizio TV. I

00:30:14 ◼   ► think Jason has a Vizio, if I'm not mistaken. I think he used to. I think when he changed

00:30:19 ◼   ► recently he went to someone else. Oh, the TLC. He got a TLC maybe?

00:30:23 ◼   ► Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So my recommendation would

00:30:26 ◼   ► be check out this article and maybe watch some YouTube videos. I remember at the time

00:30:30 ◼   ► I watch a lot of YouTube reviews before buying the TV that I have, but the LG OLED C8 with

00:30:38 ◼   ► upcoming HomeKit support would be a good choice for you, I think. Or you can always wait for

00:30:44 ◼   ► one of these 16K panels that Sony announced.

00:30:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm good.

00:30:49 ◼   ► That, like, takes up an entire wall.

00:30:51 ◼   ► I'm good. I'm good. That might be too much. So, like, on Apple's website, it just says

00:30:56 ◼   ► "LG OLED 2019."

00:30:57 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:30:59 ◼   ► So we're assuming that this is one of those.

00:31:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I think the C9 exists, so I'm just gonna say that the...

00:31:07 ◼   ► Well, just need to double check that the C8 is actually the 2019 version.

00:31:12 ◼   ► I'm not sure at this point.

00:31:14 ◼   ► You're making me second guess myself.

00:31:17 ◼   ► So my recommendation would be get the 2019 LG OLED whenever it comes out, if it's not

00:31:22 ◼   ► out already.

00:31:23 ◼   ► Okay.

00:31:24 ◼   ► I mean, I'm looking at the page and it looks good.

00:31:26 ◼   ► It's not cheap, but it looks good.

00:31:28 ◼   ► So this is probably what I'll do then. Really, like, I don't want to do a lot of research.

00:31:35 ◼   ► What I want to happen is what just happened. You have told me what to do.

00:31:40 ◼   ► So the C9 exists, by the way, the next version. So I'm guessing that this is the 2019 version.

00:31:48 ◼   ► I want the C9 then, not the C8. Let's see. Let's see what it says. I'm on

00:31:52 ◼   ► the web page right now. Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, 4K, yeah, Google. Oh, it's got Amazon

00:32:03 ◼   ► integration and Google integration. It's got a bunch more stuff than my model.

00:32:08 ◼   ► So this is the one that I want then, the C9?

00:32:12 ◼   ► Yeah, I think this is the one from 2019. I will double check real quick for you, but

00:32:18 ◼   ► yeah, I will go with this one.

00:32:20 ◼   ► Well, you've got to assume that the C9 is more modern than the C8.

00:32:24 ◼   ► But then again, TV numbering is just an impossible thing to get your head around.

00:32:30 ◼   ► 9to5Mac, they have an article mentioning...

00:32:34 ◼   ► This was from March 15th, so about a month ago.

00:32:37 ◼   ► "LG releasing first 2019 OLED TVs with HomeKit and AirPlay 2,"

00:32:42 ◼   ► which is also another thing you should care about.

00:32:44 ◼   ► Yeah, that's kind of what I meant with the HomeKit, it's also the AirPlay 2.

00:32:47 ◼   ► Next month and the C9 models, yep, 77 inches, 65 and 55.

00:32:56 ◼   ► Yep.

00:32:57 ◼   ► This is the one that I want then.

00:32:58 ◼   ► So this is terrible news then, isn't it?

00:33:00 ◼   ► Because I can only imagine that a brand new OLED TV that has just been released is very expensive.

00:33:07 ◼   ► Yep.

00:33:08 ◼   ► Be sure to buy it with my Amazon affiliate link, please.

00:33:12 ◼   ► Straight up, that's the one in the show notes.

00:33:14 ◼   ► I don't think it's on Amazon.

00:33:16 ◼   ► Yeah dude I'm looking at it right here.

00:33:18 ◼   ► No but like in the U- we're not in the same country.

00:33:21 ◼   ► Well you could uh, I could ship it to you.

00:33:23 ◼   ► Um, if it's of any consolation Myke that's exactly what I paid for my B7 when it was

00:33:28 ◼   ► new so.

00:33:29 ◼   ► Okay.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:31 ◼   ► Yeah this one isn't even on Amazon in the UK yet.

00:33:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:36 ◼   ► Okay.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:38 ◼   ► I didn't buy an Amazon either.

00:33:39 ◼   ► I bought it from a store.

00:33:40 ◼   ► Oh my god that's expensive.

00:33:42 ◼   ► Woof!

00:33:43 ◼   ► Well you asked for all the good things.

00:33:45 ◼   ► Oh, I know, I know, I know. If I want to get all of the current new technology, then that's

00:33:50 ◼   ► what I'm going to have to deal with, I know. But it's still really expensive.

00:33:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, think about it. Think about it and, you know, we'll follow up on

00:34:04 ◼   ► your decision.

00:34:05 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to look around. I don't know when I'm going to buy it, but like...

00:34:10 ◼   ► Break the news very gently to Adina.

00:34:13 ◼   ► She wants she's interested in a new TV too. I don't know if she's necessarily

00:34:17 ◼   ► gonna be as interested but I tell her what the price is but yeah. Wow these are

00:34:24 ◼   ► expensive. Yeah it looks awesome though. Yeah. Yeah I mean I haven't like I said

00:34:30 ◼   ► I haven't shot for TV in a long time but if I were to have to go buy something

00:34:33 ◼   ► today I would buy an LG OLED just hands down. It seems like it's the best way to

00:34:38 ◼   ► ago. Okay. There was a story just this morning, actually from our friend Mr. Rambo at 9to5Mac,

00:34:45 ◼   ► backing up some stuff that Steve Trout Smith had talked about, I think on Twitter, that the next

00:34:50 ◼   ► version of Mac OS, you know, so 10.15, would include standalone apps for music, podcasts,

00:34:58 ◼   ► and TV, as well as a redesign for the books app, which until I read this paragraph, totally forgot

00:35:04 ◼   ► was on my computer, just like, I just never read in the Apple Bookstore stuff.

00:35:09 ◼   ► But it seems like these are all going to be using fancy marzipan stuff, which I think

00:35:14 ◼   ► is to be expected.

00:35:16 ◼   ► And he's got the icons here, which look very nice.

00:35:19 ◼   ► And I'm just curious what y'all think about this.

00:35:21 ◼   ► I mean, we've all sort of poked fun of iTunes for a really long time, for really good reasons.

00:35:28 ◼   ► And do we think that breaking this out will make sense on the Mac?

00:35:32 ◼   ► I cannot wait for this to happen, honestly.

00:35:35 ◼   ► To have a more similar experience on the Mac

00:35:39 ◼   ► that I get on iOS, to have dedicated apps for podcasts

00:35:43 ◼   ► and TV and music.

00:35:44 ◼   ► Like whenever-- every once in a while,

00:35:48 ◼   ► I test the Apple Podcasts app.

00:35:50 ◼   ► And eventually, I go back to Overcast

00:35:52 ◼   ► because of the sound effects and smart speed.

00:35:55 ◼   ► But whenever I'm testing podcasts

00:35:58 ◼   ► and I start listening on my iPhone,

00:36:00 ◼   ► and then I'm using my Mac Mini and I realize,

00:36:03 ◼   ► oh, I wanna continue listening to this.

00:36:04 ◼   ► And then I realized, well, I gotta open iTunes.

00:36:06 ◼   ► I'm like, nope, I don't wanna open iTunes

00:36:09 ◼   ► and wait for my episodes to sync.

00:36:12 ◼   ► So I cannot wait for this to happen.

00:36:14 ◼   ► I'm curious to see what Apple is gonna do

00:36:16 ◼   ► in terms of iTunes and specifically in terms of managing

00:36:21 ◼   ► your music library, because I do wonder if those who keep

00:36:25 ◼   ► a collection of music files, is that feature going to remain

00:36:30 ◼   ► remain separate from the music app.

00:36:33 ◼   ► So is Apple gonna do just an Apple Music client

00:36:36 ◼   ► as a separate Marzipan app,

00:36:37 ◼   ► or are they going to roll that feature into music?

00:36:41 ◼   ► - I don't think so.

00:36:42 ◼   ► I don't think so. - I don't think they will.

00:36:43 ◼   ► I think they will keep iTunes around

00:36:45 ◼   ► for this kind of stuff.

00:36:47 ◼   ► But, you know, one can dream that, you know,

00:36:50 ◼   ► eventually you will be able, both on the Mac and iOS,

00:36:53 ◼   ► to actually import MP3s and that kind of stuff

00:36:56 ◼   ► into your music library.

00:36:57 ◼   ► but I have a feeling they'll just keep iTunes around and that's about it.

00:37:01 ◼   ► I think that's what's going to be the case.

00:37:04 ◼   ► It doesn't match with the business model,

00:37:11 ◼   ► right?

00:37:12 ◼   ► Like they want you to just use Apple Music because in theory all the music you

00:37:15 ◼   ► want should be there. If it isn't,

00:37:17 ◼   ► you are now an edge case and you can use iTunes.

00:37:20 ◼   ► And I think too, looking at it from like the engineering side of it,

00:37:24 ◼   ► I think that just getting these apps up on the Mac is a big enough deal for one year.

00:37:30 ◼   ► So I would imagine the launch versions of these will be more or less what is on the

00:37:37 ◼   ► iPad now, right?

00:37:39 ◼   ► That whatever the music app on the iPad does now, either good or bad, will be basically

00:37:45 ◼   ► what's on the Mac.

00:37:46 ◼   ► And I think after this, so maybe looking forward two or three years, they could come back and

00:37:52 ◼   ► if they're going to add quote unquote legacy features to these apps it would be it would

00:37:58 ◼   ► be then because iTunes will still be around and if you still need those features you could

00:38:04 ◼   ► just you know dumpster dive the utilities folder and find it if you need it but I would

00:38:09 ◼   ► imagine for most people just having you know the the Apple music stuff there and I assume

00:38:15 ◼   ► iTunes match that your match music would be there too again because that's how it is on

00:38:18 ◼   ► the iPad, that this is how this is going to begin.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Yeah, because that stuff all lives in the cloud now, right?

00:38:24 ◼   ► Like it's all up there.

00:38:25 ◼   ► It's there, right?

00:38:26 ◼   ► Like you don't need iTunes to listen to iCloud music library

00:38:30 ◼   ► files.

00:38:31 ◼   ► They're there.

00:38:32 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:38:32 ◼   ► So yeah, I agree, Federico.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Like if you are someone who imports MP3s to your iTunes

00:38:37 ◼   ► library, which I do sometimes, I'll download concerts

00:38:39 ◼   ► and put them in iTunes.

00:38:41 ◼   ► That is my guess would be that this app doesn't do that.

00:38:46 ◼   ► and that if that becomes an important feature,

00:38:49 ◼   ► that would be added over time.

00:38:51 ◼   ► But I'm trying to keep my expectations low

00:38:54 ◼   ► for these apps going in as far as features.

00:38:56 ◼   ► I do expect them, however, to work better

00:38:59 ◼   ► than the Marzipan apps we see now

00:39:02 ◼   ► because they are just garbage in a lot of places.

00:39:07 ◼   ► I hope they're better than that,

00:39:08 ◼   ► but to think that this is gonna be

00:39:09 ◼   ► like a modern take on iTunes,

00:39:12 ◼   ► maybe a bit of a stretch for day one.

00:39:14 ◼   ► - You would be fooling yourself to think

00:39:16 ◼   ► it would be anything more because then it's not a marzipan app is it? Then it's a new app,

00:39:21 ◼   ► which they haven't done yet, right? Then they're not going to do it. Like this isn't a criticism.

00:39:26 ◼   ► I think the music app on the iPad is by and large mostly fine, right? Like for what you're going to

00:39:30 ◼   ► need to do. And we've spoken about some changes that Apple could make to the app, to the services

00:39:35 ◼   ► in the past, but I think it's mostly fine. Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's better than using

00:39:39 ◼   ► music in iTunes. I can tell you that. Yeah, like if you like all those people who

00:39:45 ◼   ► think it's they say garbage would you rather have garbage or just be sad?

00:39:50 ◼   ► Garbage on fire which is like it's really really bad in iTunes. It's terrible.

00:39:56 ◼   ► Like just searching searching for music in the iTunes app is abysmal it's like

00:40:01 ◼   ► such a bad experience so yeah it's gonna be the the iPad version but there is a

00:40:07 ◼   ► benefit to that, right? And I think that this is one of the intrinsic benefits of Marzipan.

00:40:12 ◼   ► What it should do, if the Marzipan scheme works well, is it will move these apps forward for

00:40:21 ◼   ► everyone, right? If Apple consider these iPad apps to be the way that they want Mac apps to be,

00:40:31 ◼   ► it's going to make these apps better for iPads and Macs.

00:40:36 ◼   ► Like that's the goal.

00:40:37 ◼   ► So I think this is I think this is only a good thing.

00:40:41 ◼   ► And I'm excited. I'm excited about it.

00:40:44 ◼   ► Well, I think it's good as long as the one feature you need makes it makes it in.

00:40:48 ◼   ► Right. Or at least they don't make it impossible. Right.

00:40:52 ◼   ► Like it doesn't matter if you can't load your music files into the music app

00:40:56 ◼   ► as long as iTunes remains on your Mac somewhere. Yeah. Right.

00:41:00 ◼   ► It's like GarageBand 6 never went away.

00:41:02 ◼   ► Yeah, or QuickTime 7 is just going away this year.

00:41:05 ◼   ► You know, it's yeah, which John and Jason talked about on upgrade this week, but

00:41:09 ◼   ► That's always the friction here, right?

00:41:13 ◼   ► Like is this more like a Final Cut situation where the new version is so hampered and things

00:41:18 ◼   ► People really needed weren't there and everyone freaked out

00:41:21 ◼   ► Or is the Delta between iTunes and this so great that people are willing to go back to iTunes only when they they need to

00:41:28 ◼   ► My guess is it's the latter.

00:41:30 ◼   ► I think the good thing is that you already know though.

00:41:33 ◼   ► Right? Like if you use music on iOS and are unhappy with it because of a feature that's missing,

00:41:39 ◼   ► that feature's probably going to still be missing.

00:41:42 ◼   ► Or if you use music on iOS and you're never like, "Gosh darn it, I can't do this, which I can do on iTunes,"

00:41:48 ◼   ► if you never have that feeling, then you're going to be fine.

00:41:50 ◼   ► Because they're going to be the same.

00:41:53 ◼   ► So it's a little bit different to the Final Cut thing where the Final Cut thing kind of

00:41:57 ◼   ► came out of nowhere and sideswiped everybody.

00:42:00 ◼   ► And it's also different because people made their living with Final Cut, right?

00:42:03 ◼   ► Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:05 ◼   ► And that made it different, but we already know what music looks like.

00:42:10 ◼   ► And iTunes is so bad that people are going to be willing to forgive a lot of this, I

00:42:16 ◼   ► think, if this app works and looks good on the Mac.

00:42:19 ◼   ► Yeah, iTunes is just old at this point, you know?

00:42:21 ◼   ► Yeah, but that's the problem with it.

00:42:23 ◼   ► I guess the only point that I should make is that there's still a bunch of things that

00:42:27 ◼   ► you can do in iTunes with Apple Music, not necessarily with your own music files.

00:42:33 ◼   ► Like for example, you can add stuff to smart playlists or you can inspect more information

00:42:40 ◼   ► about songs, that kind of stuff that you can do in iTunes for Apple Music that you cannot

00:42:46 ◼   ► do in music on iOS.

00:42:50 ◼   ► So it would be nice to have a least feature parity for the Apple Music experience as it

00:42:55 ◼   ► is right now in the future music app for Mac.

00:43:00 ◼   ► But as you mentioned I think I'll be fine even if they just remove a couple of features

00:43:05 ◼   ► and maybe eventually they bring those back.

00:43:08 ◼   ► Yeah I think stuff like that is probably gonna go away.

00:43:12 ◼   ► Because they feel like, you know, again like niche features.

00:43:18 ◼   ► And they're only features really that exist because iTunes had them.

00:43:22 ◼   ► You know, so like it's just, it's probably easier to have Apple Music songs respect those

00:43:27 ◼   ► features than it is to remove them.

00:43:31 ◼   ► They haven't added them in music.

00:43:32 ◼   ► Like smart playlists are cool, but you know what people think is cooler now?

00:43:38 ◼   ► You know, like just in general, curated playlists.

00:43:41 ◼   ► Playlists made by artificial intelligence.

00:43:43 ◼   ► That's what people want to give you now, whether you want smart playlists or not.

00:43:47 ◼   ► And the Get Info thing is like, that is like a Federico Vittucci special, you know what

00:43:52 ◼   ► I mean?

00:43:53 ◼   ► Like that's something that you really love and I get that.

00:43:55 ◼   ► But like that is, I just don't think that's a thing that people are like, "Oh, who produced

00:43:58 ◼   ► this track?

00:43:59 ◼   ► Let me, let me go to Get Info on my Mac and find out."

00:44:01 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:44:02 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:44:03 ◼   ► Well, I don't care personally because I keep my library in Plex, but yeah, I get it.

00:44:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:09 ◼   ► Weird Plex, but okay.

00:44:10 ◼   ► Oh my God, I love you.

00:44:13 ◼   ► That's so good.

00:44:15 ◼   ► Wow.

00:44:16 ◼   ► The books bit of this is interesting too.

00:44:18 ◼   ► Again, this has been on the Mac now since Mavericks, I think.

00:44:22 ◼   ► But it looks like a reworked version of books.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Again, my assumption is Mars in pain here,

00:44:28 ◼   ► even though the article is a little--

00:44:30 ◼   ► Remember Mavericks?

00:44:32 ◼   ► Yeah, the wave.

00:44:32 ◼   ► What was that all about?

00:44:34 ◼   ► That was weird.

00:44:35 ◼   ► What was that?

00:44:37 ◼   ► It was the last version of the old UI.

00:44:39 ◼   ► What was new in Mavericks?

00:44:42 ◼   ► Maps, maybe?

00:44:43 ◼   ► Yes, all those apps.

00:44:44 ◼   ► Let's see.

00:44:45 ◼   ► 512 pixels, mavericks review.

00:44:48 ◼   ► Maverick? Oh was it the one? No that was not it.

00:44:51 ◼   ► With the new UI for opening and saving files with iCloud?

00:44:56 ◼   ► No that was Lion I think.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Is it called Books on Mojave or is it iBooks?

00:45:03 ◼   ► Because I'm running High Sierra still.

00:45:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:45:05 ◼   ► You're still running High Sierra?

00:45:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:08 ◼   ► Even though I'm getting these like

00:45:11 ◼   ► undismissable notifications now about upgrading to Mojave.

00:45:16 ◼   ► You should just upgrade, it's totally fine.

00:45:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I will, I just haven't.

00:45:19 ◼   ► Like, at this point, it's just I'm on High Sierra for inertia,

00:45:23 ◼   ► like rather than fear because I have Mojave on my Mac Mini.

00:45:27 ◼   ► So Mavericks brought iBooks and maps and some updates to other things.

00:45:34 ◼   ► Anyways, nothing wild.

00:45:36 ◼   ► It did get rid of the the leathering calendar, so that was good.

00:45:40 ◼   ► It's a good change.

00:45:41 ◼   ► Back to the topic at hand, this new version of books will have support for

00:45:48 ◼   ► audiobooks and have basically like a separate book and audiobook store which

00:45:53 ◼   ► I think makes sense and yeah kind of bringing it up to up to speed. I said

00:46:00 ◼   ► earlier I just don't ever use Apple Books for anything. I mean I've got it and

00:46:05 ◼   ► I probably have a few things in there but I've been on the Kindle for a really

00:46:08 ◼   ► long time. I just wonder how many people are reading books on their Mac. This is

00:46:12 ◼   ► important or maybe audiobooks is... I feel like it's like a reference thing like

00:46:16 ◼   ► when you're working right that you like you've maybe read it on your iPad and

00:46:20 ◼   ► then you have your notes and then you're sitting down at your Mac and you've got

00:46:23 ◼   ► your notes up right as opposed to like it I also find it like an interesting

00:46:28 ◼   ► thought of somebody sitting on their MacBook and reading a whole novel like

00:46:33 ◼   ► that just seems less than ideal for me unless it's your only device that you

00:46:37 ◼   ► have right that has the bigger screen so you want to use that but I don't imagine

00:46:41 ◼   ► that it is an incredibly high use case but like would be good for like would be

00:46:48 ◼   ► good for reference stuff the adding of audiobooks is even funnier to me because

00:46:52 ◼   ► I really can't imagine somebody listening to an audiobook sitting on a

00:46:55 ◼   ► Mac just sitting at your laptop listening yeah that one seems even

00:47:00 ◼   ► harder to me than then like ebooks but to each their own you know it's probably

00:47:07 ◼   ► the same people will play games on a Mac. So those people don't exist. Some of them.

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00:49:10 ◼   ► All right. So there is a

00:49:12 ◼   ► Kickstart the campaign which is of it is of interest

00:49:15 ◼   ► To us and people that use iPads a lot. It is something called the touch type Pro

00:49:23 ◼   ► And it is a kind of folio case that enables you to easily use a Apple Magic keyboard via

00:49:31 ◼   ► a Bluetooth connection with the iPad Pro.

00:49:36 ◼   ► And this Kickstarter campaign launched yesterday, I think.

00:49:40 ◼   ► But our friend, Mr. Federico Vittucci, has a prototype model of this device.

00:49:47 ◼   ► So we're going to talk about it.

00:49:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:49:49 ◼   ► I think it's a production, early production unit.

00:49:52 ◼   ► looks finished. There's a logo and everything.

00:49:55 ◼   ► So yeah, so the Kickstarter is run by a guy called Salman Sajid, who made a product years

00:50:02 ◼   ► ago called the Touch Type back in 2012, which was again, pretty much a very similar thing,

00:50:08 ◼   ► right? Like to be able to use a magic keyboard, I think it was a magic keyboard with an iPad.

00:50:14 ◼   ► But now it's like more of even more of a thing than it was before, right? Because keyboard

00:50:18 ◼   ► cases are a much more well known thing.

00:50:21 ◼   ► And I've been doing a little bit of digging into the Kickstarter campaign.

00:50:24 ◼   ► So I was wondering, the timeline on this campaign is pretty aggressive,

00:50:30 ◼   ► like with delivery in August.

00:50:32 ◼   ► And I thought that that was interesting.

00:50:35 ◼   ► But I took a look through the Q&A and the kind of risks and challenges section.

00:50:40 ◼   ► And it seems like they have already

00:50:45 ◼   ► paid for the production molds and stuff like that.

00:50:49 ◼   ► Or at least have gone through making prototypes as well as working with manufacturers.

00:50:56 ◼   ► So that would suggest to me that they may be pretty far down the line.

00:50:59 ◼   ► However, I will say this is a Kickstarter campaign.

00:51:01 ◼   ► And I will just say that I think August seems pretty aggressive.

00:51:05 ◼   ► So you've got to always know it doesn't matter if Federico has an incredible prototype that's perfectly made.

00:51:12 ◼   ► There could be a problem that makes this stuff delayed.

00:51:15 ◼   ► I'm not saying that there will be, but Kickstarter is Kickstarter and sometimes stuff is very

00:51:19 ◼   ► difficult.

00:51:20 ◼   ► It's always possible.

00:51:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:23 ◼   ► That said, go check out the campaign.

00:51:25 ◼   ► There's a video, there's a bunch of animated gifs that you can see to get an idea.

00:51:29 ◼   ► It's a very well put together Kickstarter campaign page.

00:51:33 ◼   ► And I've been using this thing for two weeks, I think, at this point.

00:51:37 ◼   ► I've used it mostly at home for reasons that I will mention shortly.

00:51:41 ◼   ► I've also tested it in my car because I spend a bunch of time every week waiting in the

00:51:45 ◼   ► car and I need to be able to use the iPad there.

00:51:49 ◼   ► So this is kind of peculiar for an iPad accessory.

00:51:56 ◼   ► The way that this works is there's a folio case as you mentioned, so you put the iPad

00:52:00 ◼   ► into this plastic case.

00:52:02 ◼   ► That's kind of like what Logitech is doing in that you put the iPad into this plastic

00:52:07 ◼   ► shell.

00:52:08 ◼   ► actually not a terrible experience because there's a the top side as a long

00:52:13 ◼   ► opening to make sure that you can charge the pencil so that makes it easier to

00:52:17 ◼   ► put it into the case and get it out of the case. And also to put it in and

00:52:21 ◼   ► leave it there, like not be bothered that it's left there because you can still

00:52:24 ◼   ► charge the pencil and stuff like that right like you're more willing to want to keep it.

00:52:28 ◼   ► Yeah so exactly so the entire basically the entire top side when using

00:52:34 ◼   ► landscape is free, so you can charge the pencil and it's gonna be fine. But attached to the

00:52:40 ◼   ► case is this folding cover that, when it's closed, it wraps around the iPad and also

00:52:47 ◼   ► there's this final part of the cover that is actually like this folding, kind of like

00:52:54 ◼   ► a folding flap, that actually also covers the pencil. So when everything is closed,

00:53:00 ◼   ► It covers the pencil too, keeps the pencil in place, and it ensures that when you put

00:53:06 ◼   ► everything in your bag, for example, you will not find the pencil at the bottom of your

00:53:10 ◼   ► bag.

00:53:11 ◼   ► So it will secure and protect the pencil, and it actually works.

00:53:15 ◼   ► But this cover, as we've seen with other iPad Folio covers before, also acts as a kickstand

00:53:23 ◼   ► of sorts in that when you place it on a desk the cover basically folds and creates like

00:53:32 ◼   ► a stand in the back of the iPad. Now the Magic Keyboard, the way that it plays into all of

00:53:38 ◼   ► this, is kind of ingenious in that there's a separate case for the Magic Keyboard. So

00:53:44 ◼   ► you put the Magic Keyboard, the second generation model, not the old one, into the case. The

00:53:50 ◼   ► The case has this flexible magnetic attachment that reminds me a little of the old Razer

00:53:57 ◼   ► keyboard for the first generation iPad Pro.

00:54:01 ◼   ► It's got this flexible attachment that uses magnets to attach to the bottom of the iPad

00:54:07 ◼   ► case.

00:54:08 ◼   ► So the Magic Keyboard is attached magnetically to the front of the iPad.

00:54:13 ◼   ► cover, the main cover, you lay it down flat on your desk, you put the Magic Keyboard on

00:54:22 ◼   ► top, and both inside the cover and into the Magic Keyboard case there's magnets, and they

00:54:29 ◼   ► create this kind of like a train track system where like you can slide the Magic Keyboard

00:54:36 ◼   ► onto this cover to adjust the viewing angle of the iPad. So the cover combined with the

00:54:42 ◼   ► Magic Keyboard, they make the iPad stand upright, and thanks to magnets you can adjust the angle.

00:54:48 ◼   ► So you can make it...

00:54:49 ◼   ► And also I guess one of the benefits of this one as opposed to the Razer keyboard is that

00:54:53 ◼   ► the case extends so that even the Magic Keyboard when it's connected to the iPad is supported

00:54:59 ◼   ► by the case underneath, right? So it's probably easier to use on your lap because the Razer

00:55:04 ◼   ► keyboard, it just wanted to fall apart all the time.

00:55:07 ◼   ► Yeah, because the kickstand was an actual kickstand metal in the back.

00:55:11 ◼   ► So there was nothing supporting the connection between the keyboard and the iPad case.

00:55:16 ◼   ► Yeah, and really it's one of those things you just gotta take a look at the picture

00:55:19 ◼   ► and the video to get an idea because when you describe it in words it's just a bunch

00:55:24 ◼   ► of words.

00:55:25 ◼   ► It's complicated.

00:55:26 ◼   ► It's really easy to understand once you see it.

00:55:28 ◼   ► And I guess there's also, what also makes it unique is that if you don't want to use

00:55:35 ◼   ► the Magic Keyboard of course you can detach it because it attaches via magnets.

00:55:40 ◼   ► of course, does not use the smart connector.

00:55:42 ◼   ► This is all Bluetooth.

00:55:43 ◼   ► The Magic Keyboard is a Bluetooth keyboard.

00:55:44 ◼   ► So you can detach it and use it.

00:55:47 ◼   ► For example, you can keep the iPad on your table

00:55:50 ◼   ► and use the Magic Keyboard on your lap if you wish to do so.

00:55:54 ◼   ► But also what you can do if you're done working,

00:55:57 ◼   ► for example, and you wanna put everything away,

00:56:00 ◼   ► you can fold the Magic Keyboard behind the iPad.

00:56:05 ◼   ► So between the iPad and the case,

00:56:07 ◼   ► You can hide the Magic Keyboard beneath the iPad,

00:56:12 ◼   ► then close the cover, and you end up

00:56:14 ◼   ► with this integrated, unique package

00:56:17 ◼   ► that looks like a sandwich.

00:56:18 ◼   ► It's like iPad, keyboard, cover, everything together.

00:56:21 ◼   ► Of course, it adds a bunch of weight and bulk to the iPad.

00:56:28 ◼   ► It's a little bulky, yeah.

00:56:30 ◼   ► It's a little bulky and heavy, but if that

00:56:32 ◼   ► is no concern for you, it actually works as advertised.

00:56:37 ◼   ► you're gonna keep the iPad, the Magic Keyboard,

00:56:38 ◼   ► and the Pencil, and this case, all close together.

00:56:41 ◼   ► You can throw it in a bag and forget about it.

00:56:44 ◼   ► Now, I believe that this accessory

00:56:48 ◼   ► is mostly a desk accessory.

00:56:52 ◼   ► I don't think, well, this is not as portable

00:56:55 ◼   ► as the Smart Keyboard Folio.

00:56:57 ◼   ► For, first of all, because it's much heavier,

00:57:01 ◼   ► there's a, I saved this comparison.

00:57:05 ◼   ► So the 12.9 inch iPad with the Smart Keyboard Folio is £2.3.

00:57:11 ◼   ► The iPad Pro with the upcoming Brydge keyboard is going to be £2.96.

00:57:17 ◼   ► The Touch type is £3.4.

00:57:21 ◼   ► So how?

00:57:23 ◼   ► Well there's two plastic cases.

00:57:27 ◼   ► Both of them have magnets inside.

00:57:30 ◼   ► And there's this long cover that folds to act as the surface for the Magic Keyboard

00:57:38 ◼   ► and that also becomes a folio for the iPad when everything is closed.

00:57:41 ◼   ► I would have just assumed a big chunk of aluminium that is the Bridge Keyboard would be heavier.

00:57:49 ◼   ► It's just a surprise to me to see those.

00:57:51 ◼   ► Because that's like significant.

00:57:52 ◼   ► It's like half a pound heavier.

00:57:54 ◼   ► That also includes the Magic Keyboard though.

00:57:56 ◼   ► Well sure, but the Bridge has the keyboard in it too.

00:57:58 ◼   ► Okay, keyboard.

00:58:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Well, it's a bunch of plastic and it adds weight to the entire package.

00:58:06 ◼   ► There's some caveats that I should mention.

00:58:09 ◼   ► I think it's a bit...

00:58:11 ◼   ► I think the sliding system to adjust the viewing angle, so you gotta hold the Magic Keyboard

00:58:15 ◼   ► and slide it on top of the cover, so basically the cover becomes this surface.

00:58:20 ◼   ► It's a bit awkward in that you gotta pay attention to what you do, so what I do is I grab the

00:58:25 ◼   ► the keyboard with both hands and slide it, but I get a, you know, it's quite easy to

00:58:30 ◼   ► detach the Magic Keyboard from the iPad case. So that can be a bit awkward.

00:58:36 ◼   ► That just feels like with a lot of this stuff, this is just one of those things that you

00:58:39 ◼   ► just get used to and get better at over time.

00:58:41 ◼   ► Yes, I agree. Yeah, you get used to it. What else? Well, of course, the Magic Keyboard.

00:58:48 ◼   ► You know, we talked about it before. It's got media keys, so that's convenient, but

00:58:52 ◼   ► it doesn't have all the media keys shortcuts that you get, for example, from the Logitech

00:58:55 ◼   ► like home button or search, you know, that kind of stuff does not have that.

00:59:00 ◼   ► It's only got, you know, controlling playback, for example. It's not backlit and it's Bluetooth.

00:59:05 ◼   ► So if those are important reasons for you to get a different keyboard, you should consider

00:59:09 ◼   ► the slim folio that we talked about last week from Logitech. But what I do like is that

00:59:18 ◼   ► I'm a fan of the Magic Keyboard myself. And if you're looking to integrate the Magic Keyboard

00:59:23 ◼   ► with the iPad Pro, I think this is... and if you're willing to accept that this is

00:59:28 ◼   ► mostly going to be a desk device, because of the weight concerns and because it becomes

00:59:33 ◼   ► a really bulky package, you know, when you close it all together. I'll try and have a

00:59:39 ◼   ► picture in the show notes. It's thick and, you know...

00:59:41 ◼   ► Let me ask you though, like, how comfortable and easy is it to use on your lap?

00:59:46 ◼   ► I think it's... hmm... I think it's better on...

00:59:50 ◼   ► Compared to the Smart Folio.

00:59:51 ◼   ► Well, I think the Smart Folio is better on your lap because there's fewer moving parts.

00:59:57 ◼   ► For a desk, I think it's so much better because you're getting a better keyboard and because

01:00:04 ◼   ► everything is a bit more stable on the desk.

01:00:06 ◼   ► I think it's fine on your lap.

01:00:08 ◼   ► I don't think it's terrible.

01:00:09 ◼   ► I still think the Smart Keyboard Folio is better because there's fewer moving parts.

01:00:16 ◼   ► I've been using it mostly at my desk or at the kitchen table, and I like it because I

01:00:22 ◼   ► can type faster on the Magic Keyboard than the Keyboard Folio.

01:00:25 ◼   ► I think I've told you that.

01:00:27 ◼   ► All right, so let me ask you about that with the desk then.

01:00:30 ◼   ► So I use a stand and a Magic Keyboard.

01:00:34 ◼   ► Is that not better than a case and a Magic Keyboard?

01:00:38 ◼   ► So by "with a stand" you mean like something that increases the height of the i

01:00:46 ◼   ► which is one of the many stands that I found, and this was one that I liked the most.

01:00:50 ◼   ► And with that, I have height adjustment as well as angle adjustment.

01:00:56 ◼   ► And I can then use the Magic Keyboard.

01:00:59 ◼   ► OK, so with this thing you're still going to have to look down,

01:01:03 ◼   ► because it doesn't adjust the height of the iPad Pro.

01:01:09 ◼   ► I guess I should mention that because of the opening of the case on the longer side, you

01:01:19 ◼   ► can remove the iPad from the case and put it in portrait mode.

01:01:24 ◼   ► There's a photo of this I think or maybe it's shown in the video.

01:01:28 ◼   ► It makes me very nervous it's going to topple over.

01:01:33 ◼   ► This is not a replacement for that kind of setup, so if you need height adjustment to

01:01:37 ◼   ► prevent things like neck strain for example. I think you should stay with

01:01:42 ◼   ► your setup mic because if you look down for several hours you're gonna feel that.

01:01:48 ◼   ► And also the difference when you use a stand you need to reach for the

01:01:56 ◼   ► screen. With this thing I feel like it's a bit more comfortable because you can

01:02:00 ◼   ► keep your elbows on the table and just touch the iPad. I think it's a bit easier

01:02:04 ◼   ► maybe than just using a vertical stand? I don't know.

01:02:08 ◼   ► So with this thing you're gonna have to look down,

01:02:10 ◼   ► because it doesn't adjust the height of the iPad Pro.

01:02:12 ◼   ► So for your personal use case, I would suggest not to get this thing?

01:02:17 ◼   ► Yeah, this product is not for me at all.

01:02:21 ◼   ► Just like in talking to you, it's like,

01:02:23 ◼   ► it's too heavy for me to want to carry around with me,

01:02:26 ◼   ► and it looks like super bulky,

01:02:28 ◼   ► because it's got the Magic Keyboard, which is a thick thing.

01:02:32 ◼   ► and then at home it's not gonna provide me with what I want anyway because I

01:02:38 ◼   ► don't I'm at you know I'm trying to reduce the amount of time that I'm

01:02:41 ◼   ► sitting at a desk and looking down I want to have to be able to look in front

01:02:45 ◼   ► of me I just find that more comfortable and I find that like using the Apple

01:02:51 ◼   ► pencil like I can mostly keep my arms on the table anyway I just reach up and

01:02:54 ◼   ► just have something yeah this I can see the appeal of this product for some

01:03:01 ◼   ► people but I don't think that this one's to me. It also is part of like I don't

01:03:04 ◼   ► love this the Magic Keyboard. I don't like love the Magic Keyboard like it's

01:03:09 ◼   ► fine. It's no I do like it. It is interesting this case is the newest in a

01:03:16 ◼   ► long line of products that try to marry the iPad and like Apple's Bluetooth

01:03:20 ◼   ► keyboard there was the EnCase Origami workstation back forever ago Amazon

01:03:25 ◼   ► told tells me I purchased it in 2012 that you know is the keyboard snapped

01:03:29 ◼   ► into it and the original iPad went into it. Studio Neat did the canopy which like

01:03:33 ◼   ► kind of doesn't work with modern iPads really well with the thin bezels. I wish

01:03:39 ◼   ► it did like you kind of have to like set something in there so the bottom isn't

01:03:43 ◼   ► below the keyboard and like I wish there were some. How does this thing do with

01:03:47 ◼   ► that? Oh it's totally fine. Okay. Because the case is thicker at the bottom. There's a separation as well between the two, right?

01:03:56 ◼   ► There's a separation also, the plastic case on the bottom edge is thicker and wider so

01:04:01 ◼   ► that it sort of extends the iPad a bit more vertically so that the home indicator does

01:04:07 ◼   ► not interfere with the Magic Keyboard.

01:04:09 ◼   ► But also there's a distance between them because there's the attachment, so it's totally fine.

01:04:15 ◼   ► I like it myself, despite the...

01:04:20 ◼   ► It's nice that... because I travel just once a week now, not twice a week, I mostly work

01:04:29 ◼   ► with the iPad Pro when I'm at home these days, and so it's nice that I can just open this,

01:04:35 ◼   ► get work done for five, six hours, close everything, and charge via USB-C, and I never have to

01:04:42 ◼   ► take out the individual parts.

01:04:44 ◼   ► When I travel I use the Smart Keyboard Folio, or if I want to type on my lap I use the Smart

01:04:50 ◼   ► Keyboard Folio, which as I confessed I think last week I've been using more.

01:04:57 ◼   ► My recommendation would be, if you love the Magic Keyboard and if you use your iPad Pro

01:05:02 ◼   ► at a desk, and if you like this idea of integrating the two in a single package, I think you should

01:05:11 ◼   ► consider this one.

01:05:14 ◼   ► There's other ways that you can use the Magic Keyboard with an iPad Pro, but I think none

01:05:19 ◼   ► of them are as, you know, putting together all both parts, the iPad Pro and the Magic

01:05:25 ◼   ► Keyboard.

01:05:26 ◼   ► They do that as well as this one does.

01:05:30 ◼   ► As I mentioned, it can be a bit awkward to adjust the viewing angle and you're still

01:05:36 ◼   ► going to be stuck with Bluetooth so you don't get the simplicity of the Smart Keyboard Folio.

01:05:43 ◼   ► But if you work at a desk, I think it's a very clever idea and I think it's very well

01:05:48 ◼   ► done.

01:05:50 ◼   ► Yeah, so go check out the Kickstarter campaign and make sure to take a look at the video

01:05:55 ◼   ► and the pictures to get a better idea whether this is for you or not.

01:06:00 ◼   ► I think it is a very good idea with a lot of really interesting details.

01:06:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:05 ◼   ► I think the magnetic stuff in the case is really good because you get almost infinite

01:06:10 ◼   ► degrees of you can find what works just right for you.

01:06:13 ◼   ► But like this just isn't for my personal ergonomic needs, but that doesn't mean

01:06:19 ◼   ► that it's not for yours.

01:06:21 ◼   ► Right. Like if you're sitting and using the Smart Folio all day, every day,

01:06:26 ◼   ► sitting at a desk, maybe this is a better option than that one.

01:06:30 ◼   ► But if you're like me as somebody who's trying to use the Smart Folio less when

01:06:34 ◼   ► I'm working, this isn't going to give me what I want.

01:06:38 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

01:06:40 ◼   ► this is not for you, but I bet there's a bunch of people out there who like the Magic Keyboard

01:06:44 ◼   ► or maybe just own the Magic Keyboard, don't want to buy another keyboard, and they could

01:06:49 ◼   ► consider this case to sort of integrate the two of them together in a better way than

01:06:54 ◼   ► other solutions right now. So if you're that type of person, I say go check out the campaign,

01:06:59 ◼   ► watch the video, and then maybe consider the 12.9 inch version or the 11 inch version,

01:07:06 ◼   ► And I think I saw on Reddit that if you order the 11" version and then later change your

01:07:13 ◼   ► mind you can still swap it for a 10.5" version for the old iPad Pro.

01:07:19 ◼   ► There's a, I think there's an FAQ about this somewhere.

01:07:22 ◼   ► So yeah, go check out the campaign, watch the video, make sure that you also watch the

01:07:27 ◼   ► GIFs because they really do give you an idea of how this works.

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01:10:10 ◼   ► All right, so we're going to talk now about an article that Federico published today about

01:10:16 ◼   ► using the Luna Display. Now, Luna Display are a previous sponsor and a future sponsor

01:10:21 ◼   ► of this show. They do not know that we're talking about this today, nor have they paid

01:10:25 ◼   ► us to have this conversation. Everything we speak about today is outside of any previous

01:10:30 ◼   ► arrangement we have of them. Understandably, if you want to take this conversation with

01:10:34 ◼   ► a grain of salt, that's fine. But this discussion is as unbiased as we can make them, but everyone

01:10:39 ◼   ► has biases. Bias is a thing. You have to accept that bias exists. But so like, I just want

01:10:44 ◼   ► to say all of that. We're going to talk about what it's like to use this thing. It's probably

01:10:48 ◼   ► gonna sound like some of the stuff we've been talking about when we've done ads, because

01:10:52 ◼   ► in the ads we talk about how we use it. But this is not sponsored content, there's nothing

01:10:58 ◼   ► more I can say than that, but we're just gonna talk about this article.

01:11:01 ◼   ► This Luna is also sponsored by my website and my podcasts, but as I said, as I wrote

01:11:07 ◼   ► in the article, this is entirely based on my opinion of the Luna display that I bought

01:11:12 ◼   ► myself. I didn't tell them, they had no idea I was working on this article, so you can

01:11:17 ◼   ► trust us or not, but personally I can say that this is entirely based on what I've been

01:11:22 ◼   ► doing myself for the thing that I bought and that I paid for. So that's it for the disclaimer,

01:11:28 ◼   ► thank you Myke. So yeah, what do you guys want to know about the article that I published?

01:11:33 ◼   ► Well I think there's a few things which is interesting to me. We are using this device

01:11:40 ◼   ► in some similar ways but slightly differently. So like I use mine with my Mac completely

01:11:45 ◼   ► headless, there's no monitor attached to my Mac.

01:11:48 ◼   ► - Oh, really?

01:11:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, and I can maybe talk about some of the ways

01:11:53 ◼   ► that I deal with the problems that you've had,

01:11:55 ◼   ► or like the things that you've seen

01:11:57 ◼   ► which haven't worked very well for you.

01:11:59 ◼   ► Like for example, one of them, so like today,

01:12:02 ◼   ► for some reason, the lunar display wouldn't connect.

01:12:04 ◼   ► Like the Mac had restarted, I don't know why it did that.

01:12:08 ◼   ► But I use screens then to log into the Mac to log in,

01:12:12 ◼   ► so I don't need to connect to a monitor.

01:12:15 ◼   ► And that's just because your Mac Mini serves a purpose

01:12:18 ◼   ► as an actual machine that you are using

01:12:21 ◼   ► to record podcasts on when mine doesn't.

01:12:23 ◼   ► It's like home server and media stuff

01:12:26 ◼   ► and we're trying to do more and more with it.

01:12:28 ◼   ► So there's a difference there,

01:12:29 ◼   ► but I just don't need it attached to a monitor,

01:12:31 ◼   ► so that works pretty well for me.

01:12:33 ◼   ► I think one of the key parts of this

01:12:37 ◼   ► is the thing that I love so much too,

01:12:39 ◼   ► is the idea of having macOS as an app, an iOS app,

01:12:45 ◼   ► basically and the flexibility that that gives you.

01:12:49 ◼   ► Like, because there are things that are easier and can be done way faster on a Mac than there

01:12:55 ◼   ► is on iOS.

01:12:56 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever said anything to the contrary.

01:12:59 ◼   ► So it's really good to have something like that and I feel like that's kind of where

01:13:05 ◼   ► you are.

01:13:06 ◼   ► So I was just wondering like, what are you doing with the Mac that you weren't doing

01:13:14 ◼   ► of iOS that you've kind of moved with using the Luna Display? Like why do you need this

01:13:20 ◼   ► basically?

01:13:21 ◼   ► Okay, that's a good question. I feel like there's not necessarily things that I cannot

01:13:28 ◼   ► do on iOS if I wanted to. There's things that I, now that I have a Mac that is faster than

01:13:36 ◼   ► the one that I used to have and it's easier to use in that it's always on, I just need

01:13:41 ◼   ► to sit down and press a key on the keyboard to wake it, I think it's just easier for me

01:13:47 ◼   ► to do those things on the Mac Mini when I'm home. There's also things that I was not doing

01:13:52 ◼   ► before, like running a Plex library or running a Homebridge server that I was not doing before

01:14:00 ◼   ► because I didn't have a Mac Mini server, I had a MacBook Pro. So now that I have those,

01:14:04 ◼   ► I want to be able to manage them. But to give you some actual examples, besides Plex and

01:14:10 ◼   ► Backblaze and iTunes, which I use a lot in terms of iTunes is the only app that can be

01:14:19 ◼   ► controlled with automation.

01:14:21 ◼   ► If you want to have scripts to deal with connecting to AirPlay speakers, for example, there's

01:14:26 ◼   ► no automation support for AirPlay on iOS, for the iOS music app.

01:14:33 ◼   ► But with iTunes you can create scripts that allow you to play specific playlists in specific

01:14:37 ◼   ► modes on specific speakers. And I've wrote about these shortcuts before, so that's something

01:14:44 ◼   ► that I do. But also, things that I could do on iOS, but that I prefer to do on the Mac

01:14:50 ◼   ► whenever possible, downloading files from Safari. I mentioned a few weeks ago, I think,

01:14:56 ◼   ► I had to download a few gigabytes of different zip files from the website.

01:15:02 ◼   ► - iCab!

01:15:03 ◼   ► Yeah, and I could have used iCab.

01:15:06 ◼   ► It's just easier to use Safari on the Mac, because it's got a download manager.

01:15:10 ◼   ► You just click the links and you download a bunch of files and you can see the progress.

01:15:15 ◼   ► And that's it.

01:15:16 ◼   ► Or for whatever reason, you gave me this tip Michael, I think a few months ago.

01:15:23 ◼   ► If you try and copy rich text from Evernote on iOS and paste that text in Google Docs

01:15:30 ◼   ► on iOS, it'll lose all of your formatting. If you copy rich text from Evernote on the

01:15:36 ◼   ► Mac and paste it in Safari, Google Docs, on the Mac, it keeps the exact same formatting

01:15:42 ◼   ► that, you know, rich text, all your lists, all your indentation, everything is fine.

01:15:48 ◼   ► Because rich text just does not work on iOS.

01:15:51 ◼   ► Although as we know, it's worse if you try and have Zapier do that pasting for you, right?

01:15:55 ◼   ► It is worse because I tried...

01:15:59 ◼   ► Federico set up an automation, as he sometimes will do recently, where he would be able to

01:16:05 ◼   ► send something from Evernote to Google Docs via a Zapier action of some description. Zapier

01:16:12 ◼   ► is the IFTTT on steroids, basically. For reasons unknown to everybody, when this would happen,

01:16:21 ◼   ► it would paste in the formatted text correctly from Evernote, but remove the formatting of

01:16:28 ◼   ► everything else in the document. And this is one of those funny things where I say to

01:16:32 ◼   ► Federico "I think your script has broken everything" and he's like "there's no way it could do

01:16:37 ◼   ► that" and I was like "I understand, but let's look at this together" and then he's like

01:16:42 ◼   ► "oh" and I don't know if you ever found out why that happened but like there was a link.

01:16:48 ◼   ► I told Zapier, I told them, and their response was you know, that was, I mean I love Zapier

01:16:55 ◼   ► but that was kind of annoying, like, "I'm a paying customer and if you know how much

01:16:59 ◼   ► Zapier costs, you know, it's not cheap." And the response was to the extent of "Yeah, we're

01:17:05 ◼   ► aware of this, can you go through this form and send us a bunch of details about all that

01:17:10 ◼   ► you did?" It's like, you know, I understand what these processes are like, but can't you

01:17:18 ◼   ► just look in my account and do it for me? Because I really don't have the time to sit

01:17:23 ◼   ► down and file a radar essentially for Zapier. Anyway, I love Zapier, maybe they'll figure

01:17:29 ◼   ► it out without my help because I forget about these things. Anyway, so they know, but I

01:17:35 ◼   ► don't know what the problem is, but they do, apparently. So anyway, the article that

01:17:41 ◼   ► I published is this idea of using the Luna Display on my iPad Pro to access the Mac Mini

01:17:48 ◼   ► and therefore Mac OS when I need it.

01:17:51 ◼   ► But trying to find ways to optimize this experience

01:17:56 ◼   ► and sort of making it easier and faster

01:18:00 ◼   ► and a bit more flexible maybe to use Mac OS on the iPad

01:18:05 ◼   ► through the Luna Display.

01:18:06 ◼   ► So little scripts, little shortcuts,

01:18:09 ◼   ► little enhancements that I come up to make it better

01:18:14 ◼   ► than the default experience, I think.

01:18:16 ◼   ► That would be, yeah.

01:18:18 ◼   ► One of the things that I found really fascinating was the accessibility keyboard.

01:18:21 ◼   ► Which I didn't even know existed.

01:18:24 ◼   ► Yeah, so I think this was something that I discovered last year.

01:18:29 ◼   ► And, you know, I always put off those things that you're like,

01:18:33 ◼   ► "Yeah, one day I'm going to experiment with this."

01:18:35 ◼   ► So the idea is that there's a whole suite of accessibility features on Mac OS and iOS.

01:18:43 ◼   ► But on Mac OS, one of them is the accessibility keyboard.

01:18:47 ◼   ► which by default is an on-screen QWERTY keyboard.

01:18:51 ◼   ► It's a standard keyboard for folks with physical and motor impairments

01:18:56 ◼   ► that want to be able to type, but using an on-screen keyboard rather than a physical keyboard.

01:19:01 ◼   ► What's great about this is that, as many accessibility features always do,

01:19:08 ◼   ► it goes beyond the traditional realm of accessibility

01:19:13 ◼   ► because it allows you to customize the entire thing for whatever need you may have.

01:19:19 ◼   ► And what you can do with the Accessibility Keyboard is create multiple panels.

01:19:24 ◼   ► They're called panels, these keyboards.

01:19:26 ◼   ► And there's a free app that is built and available right on your Mac called Panel Editor.

01:19:32 ◼   ► And it lets you design your own keyboard.

01:19:35 ◼   ► It lets you design your own custom on-screen keyboard that can be a standard keyboard

01:19:40 ◼   ► keyboard or can be just a collection of buttons. And those buttons you create,

01:19:45 ◼   ► it looks like an image editor, you have a grid, you have a canvas,

01:19:49 ◼   ► and you can create these buttons. And to each button you can assign a label, you

01:19:54 ◼   ► can modify the size, but then you can assign an action so that when it's

01:19:58 ◼   ► clicked it does something. And there's a collection of built-in actions like

01:20:03 ◼   ► system actions like "raise the volume" or "mute the volume" or like "type a

01:20:09 ◼   ► a letter for example, but there's also actions like "run an Apple script".

01:20:14 ◼   ► And that's when things got interesting for me, because what I wanted to have was...

01:20:20 ◼   ► So I was using the Lunar Display on the iPad Pro and I realized there's a bunch of actions

01:20:26 ◼   ► that I could do easily on a Mac with the media keys for example of the Magic Keyboard, but

01:20:35 ◼   ► when I'm on the iPad Pro with the Lunar Display and the Smart Keyboard Folio, because I didn't

01:20:39 ◼   ► have the touch type at the time. But just, wouldn't it be nice if I had some kind of

01:20:47 ◼   ► launcher to do things more quickly, just by tapping them? Sort of like having a floating

01:20:54 ◼   ► Launch Center Pro was my idea. Like, is it possible to have a thing that is always on

01:20:59 ◼   ► screen that lets me tap buttons to execute actions? And I tried a bunch of things like

01:21:05 ◼   ► keyboard maestro palettes or like having persistent launchers on the desktop. And then I remembered

01:21:12 ◼   ► about the accessibility keyboard. And so I designed this shortcuts bar, is my nickname.

01:21:20 ◼   ► It's like a row of buttons that do things like pause iTunes or mute system sounds or

01:21:27 ◼   ► open the iCloud drive folder in the finder. And so that was really interesting in putting

01:21:33 ◼   ► this together and it brought me back to using AppleScript and going crazy over the limitations

01:21:41 ◼   ► and the little idiosyncrasies of AppleScript.

01:21:46 ◼   ► But that was fun, it was a fun learning experience, this idea of you can design your own keyboard

01:21:52 ◼   ► panel and you can make any action that you want using these built-in suggestions or just

01:21:58 ◼   ► using your own AppleScript stuff.

01:22:01 ◼   ► I think it's super fascinating. And then when you start putting like BetterTouchTool

01:22:06 ◼   ► and then you've got it like moving all the windows around and stuff, it's like a really

01:22:10 ◼   ► interesting way of doing it.

01:22:12 ◼   ► Yeah, that was my other problem in that my Mac Mini is always connected to the UltraFine

01:22:16 ◼   ► display. And when you connect via Luna Display, by default it becomes the secondary display,

01:22:25 ◼   ► and this is called the extended desktop mode on macOS. The problem is the primary display

01:22:31 ◼   ► on the Mac is where all your apps and your desktop icons, they show up first by default.

01:22:39 ◼   ► So when you open an app, by default it goes to the primary display, and then you need

01:22:44 ◼   ► to move it to the secondary display.

01:22:46 ◼   ► My problem was, of course, I'm using a secondary display from another room, I'm not necessarily

01:22:53 ◼   ► in front of the Mac Mini, so that I have my trackpad, but I want to use macOS from the

01:22:57 ◼   ► kitchen table and the Mac Mini is in the bedroom. So how can I move these windows back and forth

01:23:02 ◼   ► between displays? And of course one solution will be just unplug the cable of the ultrafine

01:23:09 ◼   ► so that the Luna display becomes the primary display by default. But I don't want to remember

01:23:13 ◼   ► to unplug and replug every single time. So I struggled with this for a long time. I came

01:23:19 ◼   ► across some system modifications to let you automate switching displays, but that required

01:23:26 ◼   ► disabling SIP on Mojave, system integrity protection, and really didn't want to do that.

01:23:31 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a bad idea.

01:23:33 ◼   ► All kinds of nasty things could happen, so I don't want to do that. So I sort of gave

01:23:38 ◼   ► up on the idea of finding a way to automate display switching, which is not possible on

01:23:44 ◼   ► the Mac, and I realized, well, maybe I just need to figure out how to make working with

01:23:49 ◼   ► secondary display better and faster. And BetterTouchTool is this utility that all kinds of people use

01:23:58 ◼   ► for all kinds of different things. For example, John Boris, we do app stories together. He

01:24:03 ◼   ► customized BetterTouchTool completely to access certain Logic Pro, it's called Logic Pro 10,

01:24:10 ◼   ► the new version, but Logic shortcuts, Logic actions. And one of the categories, yeah,

01:24:19 ◼   ► One of the categories of actions the BetterTouch tool has is Window Control.

01:24:25 ◼   ► You can shuffle windows back and forth between displays, you can resize them, you can actually

01:24:31 ◼   ► give them exact pixel coordinates to do window resizing.

01:24:38 ◼   ► Combining all of that with the accessibility keyboard, the idea of, I can now just open

01:24:44 ◼   ► the iPad, log into Luna Display, move all my windows from the ultra-fine 2D iPad's

01:24:53 ◼   ► display, and now I have a reasonably efficient Mac OS environment where I have keyboard shortcuts

01:25:01 ◼   ► to resize my windows, I have visual shortcuts to do things like opening the Finder or muting

01:25:08 ◼   ► system sounds, because my Mac main is always streaming audio to the HomePod, or hiding

01:25:14 ◼   ► the Luna Display window that always comes up and it's so annoying, or showing hiding

01:25:21 ◼   ► the dock, you know, all these things.

01:25:22 ◼   ► So this combination of keyboard shortcuts and visual shortcuts, it's a really fascinating

01:25:29 ◼   ► way to get work done, because it's like you have Mac OS on your iPad, and it works well

01:25:34 ◼   ► enough because you can use both the pencil and the keyboard for inputs, but it's still

01:25:40 ◼   ► an app, so you can sort of use it on demand just when you need it, and I don't have to

01:25:45 ◼   ► sit down, you know, go necessarily to another room and sit down and switch contexts. I can

01:25:51 ◼   ► just, you know, I need to do something on my Quest for two minutes, I can just stay

01:25:55 ◼   ► at the kitchen table and do it from the iPad.

01:25:58 ◼   ► And there are software, complete software-based solutions, right, like Duet and AirDisplay

01:26:04 ◼   ► But I will say from my own experience, they both work perfectly fine.

01:26:10 ◼   ► They do work, yeah.

01:26:11 ◼   ► But the Luna Display is a much better experience. The lag is definitely better, the image quality is definitely better.

01:26:17 ◼   ► And I find this, you said this in your article, when using the Luna Display, sometimes it feels like the Mac is just native.

01:26:26 ◼   ► I forget sometimes that I'm sitting and looking at an iPad. It works very, very, very well.

01:26:32 ◼   ► very well and I found the other stuff it works but it doesn't work as well as I

01:26:38 ◼   ► would want. It's like it's 70% there and the Luna is like 90% there and

01:26:44 ◼   ► at those levels you can tell the difference in image quality and

01:26:49 ◼   ► just the general smoothness and yes I've tried you know I have a 2018 fully

01:26:53 ◼   ► spec'd Mac Mini, well not fully spec'd but reasonably spec'd Mac Mini with like

01:26:58 ◼   ► 16 gigs of RAM and the better CPU option. I have a mesh Wi-Fi,

01:27:04 ◼   ► 5 gigahertz network, it's really good Wi-Fi, so I've tried those apps before, but the latency and

01:27:10 ◼   ► the image quality and the image artifacts and various glitches, they were like... I could use

01:27:15 ◼   ► those apps, but compared to the lunar display, I prefer the nicer experience, even if it requires

01:27:21 ◼   ► buying a separate accessory.

01:27:23 ◼   ► But yeah, it was a fun learning experience really to just dive back into the world of

01:27:32 ◼   ► Keyboard Maestro and AppleScript and BetterTouchTool and the accessibility stuff.

01:27:38 ◼   ► And I guess what I tried to say in the conclusion of the article was that maybe someday we will

01:27:44 ◼   ► have this kind of Apple laptop that can do... it's got the app ecosystem of iOS and the

01:27:53 ◼   ► intuitive interactions of iOS, but also this idea that you can personalize everything and

01:27:59 ◼   ► that you get access to these really technical and really powerful apps and utilities such

01:28:05 ◼   ► as macOS.

01:28:06 ◼   ► Maybe one day there will be a thing that you can buy and actually it runs on Apple OS,

01:28:13 ◼   ► But until that happens, and I reckon it'll be a while, this mixed sort of hybrid environment,

01:28:20 ◼   ► it works pretty well.

01:28:21 ◼   ► Now, you can do this via VNC software, you can do this with other wireless display apps

01:28:27 ◼   ► like Duet and Air Display.

01:28:28 ◼   ► Yeah, like all of the stuff that Federico is talking about, you don't need a lunar display

01:28:33 ◼   ► to do it.

01:28:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:28:35 ◼   ► Right?

01:28:36 ◼   ► Like, to be able to use the Better Touch Tool stuff, the accessibility keyboard stuff, right?

01:28:41 ◼   ► That's all running on the Mac.

01:28:42 ◼   ► It's just like what is your portal to it?

01:28:44 ◼   ► I use this stuff when I'm using the Mac physically in front of my Mac Mini as well.

01:28:49 ◼   ► Like, I have the accessibility keyboard shown in front of me right now,

01:28:54 ◼   ► and I have BetterTouchTool keyboard shortcuts set up for the Mac, for the Ultrafine display.

01:29:00 ◼   ► So all of these things, you can use them.

01:29:03 ◼   ► You know, you don't need...

01:29:04 ◼   ► But it is, you know, a strong personal preference from both of us that the best experience,

01:29:09 ◼   ► the most native feeling experience is the Luna display to do it.

01:29:13 ◼   ► You know, yeah, and I, you know, I like nice things, like the best options and, you know,

01:29:19 ◼   ► it's just the image quality that you get with the Luna, it's just, you know, something that

01:29:23 ◼   ► I prefer. But yeah, so it was fun to write about Mac stuff again, for sure.

01:29:30 ◼   ► It's like a story, you wrote like a story about the Mac.

01:29:34 ◼   ► What could you call that website?

01:29:35 ◼   ► Yeah, well, that's a good domain name.

01:29:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:29:39 ◼   ► Starymax.com.

01:29:40 ◼   ► Now that I've done this, because it was like two months late, I'm going back to more traditional

01:29:52 ◼   ► iPad stories, hopefully before WWDC.

01:29:57 ◼   ► So we'll see.

01:29:58 ◼   ► There's kind of a no big deal, but like a 10-year anniversary coming up next week.

01:30:05 ◼   ► So after that, it's all wrapped.

01:30:06 ◼   ► - It's all wrapped. - It's next week?

01:30:08 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Wow.

01:30:10 ◼   ► - We have a lot of things planned at Max Stories.

01:30:14 ◼   ► It'll be the 10-year anniversary.

01:30:16 ◼   ► So I usually don't like these kinds of self-celebrations,

01:30:21 ◼   ► but it's 10 years, we're doing a few things.

01:30:25 ◼   ► So starting Monday, that'll be things on Max Stories.

01:30:29 ◼   ► But yeah, after that, it's all.

01:30:32 ◼   ► - You'll be happy to know

01:30:33 ◼   ► that I just registered storymax.com.

01:30:36 ◼   ► - Thank you, otherwise somebody else would have.

01:30:38 ◼   ► - I will direct to your website.

01:30:40 ◼   ► - Thank you, Storymax.

01:30:43 ◼   ► But yeah, so after that, I will be back

01:30:46 ◼   ► to traditional iPad coverage for a while.

01:30:51 ◼   ► So this was fun though, it was really fun.

01:30:54 ◼   ► - I think that about does it.

01:30:56 ◼   ► If you want to find links and stuff we talked about,

01:30:58 ◼   ► including Federico's awesome article about this,

01:31:01 ◼   ► lunar display, Mac, iPad, hybrid madness,

01:31:06 ◼   ► head over to the website, relay.fm/connected/238.

01:31:11 ◼   ► I'd like to mention too, we have a handful of tickets left

01:31:15 ◼   ► to our WODC show, so if you haven't bought a ticket

01:31:18 ◼   ► and you're gonna be in San Jose that first week of June,

01:31:21 ◼   ► we'd love to have you at the show,

01:31:22 ◼   ► so that link will be there as well.

01:31:24 ◼   ► - We're about 90% sold out, so there's not many tickets left

01:31:30 ◼   ► If you're gonna be there, you want one.

01:31:32 ◼   ► It's "now's your time." That's what you're saying.

01:31:35 ◼   ► Yeah, and you want to be there, because my surprise is complete.

01:31:40 ◼   ► And just waiting for this event to happen.

01:31:44 ◼   ► So...

01:31:45 ◼   ► -Really worries me. -The anxiety that I feel.

01:31:47 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:31:49 ◼   ► -It's just palpable. -I'm now in the planning stages

01:31:53 ◼   ► for how the surprise will be revealed.

01:31:56 ◼   ► There will be games involved.

01:31:59 ◼   ► You know, the audience will participate actively in this, so you want to be there, trust me.

01:32:05 ◼   ► It's, uh, you know, putting a lot of work into this. Don't worry, it's all safe content. It's all,

01:32:12 ◼   ► you know, all safe and funny and in good spirits. Do we have to wear helmets? No, no, but you will

01:32:21 ◼   ► also, you two will participate but in a different way than the audience, so you'll see. That's the

01:32:25 ◼   ► That's the part I'm scared about.

01:32:28 ◼   ► This is what I'd assumed.

01:32:29 ◼   ► I will not ask you to jump off a platform like FieldShooter.

01:32:33 ◼   ► That's good.

01:32:34 ◼   ► Our insurance doesn't allow that anyways.

01:32:38 ◼   ► You can get in touch with us via email if you have feedback or follow up.

01:32:42 ◼   ► There's a link there on the sidebar on the webpage.

01:32:46 ◼   ► Or you can find us on Twitter.

01:32:48 ◼   ► You can follow Federico there as Vitiici.

01:32:53 ◼   ► And as we mentioned, Federico's site, MaxStories, turns 10 next week.

01:32:57 ◼   ► I've gotten a sneak peek at some of the stuff that's being planned and you don't want to

01:33:01 ◼   ► miss it.

01:33:02 ◼   ► It's going to be a lot of fun.

01:33:04 ◼   ► You can go to storymax.com or iosstories.net.

01:33:08 ◼   ► Both of those websites will take you to Federico's website.

01:33:11 ◼   ► That is my gift to you on your 10th anniversary is to redirect iosstories.net back to you.

01:33:18 ◼   ► That's good.

01:33:19 ◼   ► I was going to Casey's site before, I think.

01:33:22 ◼   ► It was going to my own site was where I was going. It's going to my color

01:33:26 ◼   ► You know Myke was right calm was where it went to but now it goes it goes to where it should

01:33:31 ◼   ► Good that feels that feels right to me

01:33:33 ◼   ► You can find Myke on Twitter as I am y ke and Myke is the host of a whole lot of shows

01:33:39 ◼   ► here on relay FM

01:33:42 ◼   ► You can find me there as is m/h and I write 512 pixels dotnet

01:33:48 ◼   ► I

01:33:48 ◼   ► Like to thank our sponsors this week FreshBooks Squarespace and Warby Parker and until next week gentlemen say goodbye

01:33:56 ◼   ► How do we ditch you cheerio adios?