232: The Unique Blend of Tattoos and Automation


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00:00:06   From RelayFN, this is Connected, episode 232, and today's show is brought to you by Eero,

00:00:12   Lunar Display and Squarespace.

00:00:14   My name is Myke Hurley, I'm back in the hosting chair today, just so I can have the

00:00:18   honour of introducing Federico Vittucci.

00:00:21   Hi Federico.

00:00:22   Hi Myke, it's good to be first again into the introduction.

00:00:24   We have overthrown the shackles of Stephen Hackett.

00:00:28   Hackett shackles and we're back in charge.

00:00:33   Once again he's been fired, his contract with Real FM has been terminated and he's out somewhere

00:00:39   in America on a road trip.

00:00:41   He's never coming back so it was a good show with you Steven.

00:00:45   It's gonna be even better with Myke and I alone without your overpowering tyranny.

00:00:52   No more.

00:00:54   No more tyranny.

00:00:56   So we will, we're going to move away from no follow up.

00:00:59   We're going straight into topics today.

00:01:01   Just hashtag content all the way.

00:01:02   And we're going to start off.

00:01:04   I actually just want to read some quotes to you Federico.

00:01:06   Is that okay?

00:01:08   That's that's fine.

00:01:09   Yes.

00:01:10   So I'm going to read you a quote from a MacRumors article about USB 3.0 and 3.1 being rebranded.

00:01:16   Oh my God.

00:01:17   All right.

00:01:18   So I'm just going to read this.

00:01:19   If you can, it's going to be a mouthful, but good luck.

00:01:22   So appreciate dear listeners.

00:01:24   You're not going to be able to follow this.

00:01:26   That's kind of the point. So USB 3.0 and 3.1 are being rebranded. This is from the quote

00:01:31   from MacRumors. This is no fault of MacRumors by the way that this is so confusing.

00:01:37   Going forward USB 3.1 Gen 1 with transfer speeds up to 5GB/s which used to be called

00:01:43   USB 3.0 prior to a separate rebranding will be called USB 3.2 Gen 1, while USB 3.1 Gen

00:01:51   which has transfer speeds of up to 10GB/s, will now be called USB 3.2 Gen2.

00:01:58   USB 3.2 Gen1 with transfer speeds of up to 5GB/s is also now called SuperSpeed USB.

00:02:05   USB 3.2 Gen2 with transfer speeds of up to 10GB/s is also now called SuperSpeed USB 10GB/s.

00:02:13   The USB 3.2 Gen2x2 specification with transfer speeds of up to 20GB/s is now called SuperSpeed USB 20GB/s.

00:02:20   USB 20 gigabytes per second.

00:02:22   What is going on?

00:02:23   What is this?

00:02:26   - Everything is USB 3.2 now, basically.

00:02:29   So even your computer from 2012 is now USB 3.2 compliant.

00:02:34   And you know, the thing that really gets to me,

00:02:40   I mean, fine, you wanna retroactively upgrade everything

00:02:44   to USB 3.2, whatever.

00:02:46   The USB consortium, whatever it's called,

00:02:49   implementers forum. They are well known for messing up the spec labels every few years.

00:02:55   This is what they do, I don't know why they like to do this so much, but it's been going

00:02:59   on since the USB 1 days. So this is a perfect USB Consortium playbook that they're following.

00:03:05   But why do you have to call it USB 3.2 Gen 2 per 2? How do you say that? 2x2?

00:03:14   I would say two by two because that's what the X typically means.

00:03:18   But why?

00:03:19   Yeah, I don't know why.

00:03:20   The thing that frustrates me the most about this is why are they calling USB

00:03:24   3.0 3.2 now? It doesn't make any sense.

00:03:27   And also, I think the thing that maybe annoys me more is they called it

00:03:31   SuperSpeed USB, right?

00:03:33   Why didn't they just come up with a distinct brand name for each of the

00:03:37   generations?

00:03:38   I don't know.

00:03:39   Right? Like SuperSpeed, HyperSpeed, Megaspeed.

00:03:42   And then we could all understand.

00:03:44   Pokemon! Whatever it is, right? Like whatever it's gonna be. But like, calling everything 3.2 Gen 1, and the fact that there already was, like 3.1 Gen 2 is now 3.2 Gen 2.

00:03:58   That doesn't make any sense, why? Also, these nicknames, they are changing, because before, the 5 gigabit per second was called SuperSpeed, and the USB 3.1 Gen 2 was called SuperSpeed Plus.

00:04:12   Now they're also changing the nicknames.

00:04:15   [laughs]

00:04:17   It doesn't make any sense.

00:04:19   They should do... 'cause the Wi-Fi...

00:04:21   The Wi-Fi standards, they went through this recently, right?

00:04:24   Where they actually started to make sense of their names a little bit.

00:04:27   - Is that right? - Yeah, with Wi-Fi 6.

00:04:29   Yeah, they adopted Wi-Fi 6 instead of saying...

00:04:32   - N or G or B or R. - I think it was AX.

00:04:36   I think the latest generation was 802.11 AX.

00:04:40   I just said, you know what? This has gotten out of hand.

00:04:43   We're just going to call it Wi-Fi six.

00:04:44   And that's a beautiful move.

00:04:46   It makes perfect sense.

00:04:47   Like, I don't want to go to my mom and be like,

00:04:49   you got to buy a new modem for, you know, for better Wi-Fi.

00:04:53   You should seek out a 802.11ax.

00:04:57   She's just going to stare at me and do nothing.

00:04:59   Instead, I can just say buy one that says on the box, Wi-Fi six.

00:05:04   And then the number just goes up.

00:05:06   And like so what they've also done is applied numbers

00:05:08   one through five backwards in time just to make things clear.

00:05:12   And like that's what the USB consortium needs to do.

00:05:15   Like this reminds me of Intel, like when Intel used to have like

00:05:19   six numbers to work out what their processes were.

00:05:23   And then they changed that to like the core duo thing.

00:05:27   Like they moved it to there because it became they started to get hurt.

00:05:32   Basically, I think like AMD, this is years ago, this is like 15 years ago.

00:05:35   And one of the reasons it was believed AMD was starting to take them over

00:05:38   because people couldn't understand what chips they were buying anymore because the naming

00:05:42   came became too difficult and now like their names now is starting to veer back towards that

00:05:47   direction a little bit with like what are they even called like the i7 and i5 but at least

00:05:52   you can work out that seven's more than five because like when back in those days before

00:05:58   the core stuff bigger number didn't necessarily mean more powerful chip it was just like whatever

00:06:04   like the numbers like they've got their own system and they're just gonna work out it reminds me of

00:06:07   TV brand naming, right? Where it's just like 16 characters and that's like somehow a TV brand.

00:06:14   Or like my Sony headphones, which are impossible to pronounce. Like if the USB consortium was in

00:06:20   charge of naming processors, they wouldn't call it the Core i7, they would say the Core i5+2.

00:06:25   That's what they would do. Super speed. But seriously, what concerns me about this piece of news is that

00:06:35   Okay, now all of these devices are, they support USB 3.2. So in the case of the 2018 iPad Pro,

00:06:43   this means that technically it graduates from supporting USB 3.1 Gen 2 at the highest transfer

00:06:51   rate to USB 3.2 Gen 2, so 10 gigabit per second. I bet that some people when they will read the news

00:07:02   that the iPad Pro is compatible with USB 3.2,

00:07:06   they will search for what's the fastest USB 3.2 cable I can find

00:07:10   for data transfers, you know, especially if the iPad Pro gains

00:07:13   official USB support.

00:07:16   They will search for those cables and they, I mean,

00:07:19   the cable will be retro-compatible, so that's not a problem,

00:07:22   but they will not get their money's worth out of the purchase

00:07:25   because the iPad Pro will not be able to push 20 gigabit per second.

00:07:29   Well, everybody knows you want the gold-plated cables anyway.

00:07:32   Yeah, sure.

00:07:33   Everything moves faster with the gold play.

00:07:36   Yeah, that's true.

00:07:37   So anyway, this is just confusing.

00:07:41   The people who work at the USB-IF, I think it's also beautiful that they're called the

00:07:46   USB Implementers Forum.

00:07:47   The USB-IF, if only they knew how normal people operate and now human beings like to talk.

00:07:56   I feel there would be some progress there, but no.

00:07:58   So USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is now the highest standard.

00:08:03   There are no devices I think at the moment, no tablets or I don't think the Macbooks even

00:08:09   support this, the 20 gigabit per second transfer rate via USB.

00:08:15   We'll see I guess that new Apple display maybe, and the Mac Pro maybe 2019, they will support

00:08:22   this spec but we'll see.

00:08:25   I also before we move on today wanted to mention just a quick rumor from Mark Gorman

00:08:30   Reporting a Bloomberg that Apple are performing internal testing on a version of the Apple watch with an integrated sleep tracking ability

00:08:39   Gorman says that it will be added to the Apple watch by

00:08:42   2020 my assumption means that this that means this year, but he's like hedging it a bit

00:08:49   I don't know why you would say by 2020

00:08:51   It's like when he says, when he uses those expressions like "at the latest" or "at the earliest"

00:08:59   Yeah

00:08:59   Like to try and find ways to not pin down a specific deadline

00:09:03   because it was beaten by that in the past before

00:09:06   So I would be surprised if it's not, you know, the Watch Series 5?

00:09:13   Is that 5?

00:09:14   Yeah, we're in 4 now

00:09:15   Coming in theory this year

00:09:16   Series 5 and WatchOS 6 though

00:09:19   Yeah

00:09:19   So one more version, yeah

00:09:21   I think it's gonna be a late 2019 thing.

00:09:24   And that's gonna be great because there was somebody

00:09:27   on Twitter, I think it was David Smith probably,

00:09:30   arguing in favor of Apple doing their own solution

00:09:34   for sleep tracking because yes, a bunch of apps,

00:09:36   including David Smith's own, exist to sort of have

00:09:40   sleep tracking on the watch right now.

00:09:42   But those apps, they have to use all these workarounds

00:09:47   you know, that looking to the activity data

00:09:51   pushed from the Apple Watch to the iPhone's health app

00:09:54   to sort of try and guess when you were sleeping.

00:09:57   But if Apple were to do a native feature,

00:09:59   they could use all kinds of private APIs

00:10:02   and low-level integrations in the chips

00:10:05   and in the sensors of the watch to be more precise

00:10:07   and more battery efficient.

00:10:09   So this is gonna be great.

00:10:11   - Which will probably still be good for people

00:10:13   like Underscore because while he won't be doing

00:10:16   the tracking of the sleep, he could pull the data from health and visualise it, right?

00:10:22   My expectation here, and the way that I think they're going to do this, so obviously the

00:10:27   battery life needs to be good and better, like they're going to have to get better battery

00:10:32   life to be consistent with battery life to have a feature like this, but one of the big

00:10:36   differences is people take their watches off at night a lot of the time and they charge

00:10:42   So I think that if I was going to completely wishcast this whole situation, I bet the next

00:10:48   watch is Qi.

00:10:50   They moved to Qi.

00:10:52   One of the reasons I think they're going to move to Qi is like for Samsung's doing with

00:10:55   the S10 and the new watches.

00:10:57   Because you know the iPhone might have this bilateral charging right where you can charge

00:11:01   devices on the phone.

00:11:03   So the Apple Watch isn't Qi charged so you wouldn't be able to charge the watch from

00:11:08   the phone.

00:11:10   So I reckon they're going to make the watch Qi charging so you can charge it off the phone.

00:11:14   It's like another thing of like, oh, you can just give a top up if you need it from your

00:11:17   iPhone.

00:11:18   But the other thing I think that, you know, that somehow I don't know if this is the case,

00:11:23   but like I imagine them being like, oh, you just wear it all night.

00:11:26   And then in the morning you just take your watch off when you take a shower and you put

00:11:30   it on your air power mat.

00:11:32   And because it's Qi charging, it now will charge faster than before.

00:11:36   So you could charge it more quickly and then you won't notice any difference with the fact

00:11:41   that you've taken the watch off or that you've had it on all night.

00:11:43   Like it will be able to charge more quickly to like 80% or whatever.

00:11:47   That's kind of my imagination of how they're going to pitch this whole thing because I

00:11:53   can't imagine multiple day battery life, especially if you're doing the sleep tracking.

00:11:58   So they need to find like a way to make the charging stuff less inconvenient or just like

00:12:06   or make it more convenient, right?

00:12:07   And the charging from the iPhone and or it just being Qi enabled would make that a lot

00:12:12   easier for people.

00:12:15   That's a good theory.

00:12:16   I think it would be in character.

00:12:18   I think about what seems super strange to me if Apple added the bilateral charging purely

00:12:23   for AirPods.

00:12:27   So I think as well, like I said this before, right, that like my feeling remains that I

00:12:36   think AirPower, I'm still not convinced that it's going to come out and I think it's going

00:12:40   to be Qi only.

00:12:41   But still!

00:12:42   Okay, I'm not convinced it's going to come out within the timelines that the rumors currently

00:12:45   state of like within the first half of the year because I think they're just going to

00:12:49   go to Qi only.

00:12:50   I think having to have also the proprietary Apple Watch charging stuff in the same pads

00:12:55   is one of the reasons that they've struggled with this because it's a lot of coils if you're going

00:12:59   to allow this stuff to be placed wherever you want on the mat right because you need both charging

00:13:05   technologies in the same place multiple in multiple places throughout the mat right so

00:13:10   imagine you need three coils in the mat where you need six right because you've got to have three

00:13:16   for chi and three for the apple watch if you're just going to allow complete random placement

00:13:20   along the mat so i think this is probably one of the things that's made it tricky because that's

00:13:24   a lot of stuff going on there and a lot of power management and a lot of heat management

00:13:29   in a device like that, so I think that might be where they're struggling.

00:13:32   And I reckon the Apple Watch is going to go to Qi anyway because it just makes sense for

00:13:35   it to do that ultimately.

00:13:37   So that's what I reckon is going to happen.

00:13:40   And I also think that if they're going to push for the battery to be charged up more

00:13:44   or whatever, make it easier, now should be the time for an always-on display as well.

00:13:49   I think that would make sense.

00:13:50   It would be sad if AirPower is not coming out in the first half of the year.

00:13:54   They could do it, but they could say it just doesn't charge the Apple Watch, it's Qi devices

00:13:58   only.

00:13:59   Yeah.

00:14:00   Which would kind of suck, but...

00:14:01   Yeah, especially because they promised, like, the whole idea was AirPower is going to charge

00:14:06   all of your Apple devices at once.

00:14:09   But then if they do move to Qi for the Apple Watch, which I think they have other reasons

00:14:13   to do it, then they've wasted a lot of work with the AirPower.

00:14:18   I guess that on stage they could say it doesn't work with the Apple Watch yet, wink wink.

00:14:22   Yeah, maybe.

00:14:23   I don't know. I'm a little bit conflicted on this obviously. The Apple stuff just seems

00:14:29   so strange to me anyway. But I also just think it makes so much sense for them to try and

00:14:34   move the Apple Watch to Qi charging. But it's if they could do it. I don't know what it

00:14:38   takes. I don't know if they're able to get Qi coils in those products anyway. Samsung

00:14:43   did it. So I assume Apple can do it too.

00:14:45   Yeah. We'll see.

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00:17:28   And the feature we're going to talk about is Bixby, right?

00:17:32   Bixby, everyone's favorite digital assistant.

00:17:36   - Yes, so no, it's not Bixby.

00:17:39   We're gonna talk about the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor

00:17:42   that is embedded in the display of the Galaxy S10 and S10+.

00:17:46   And I wanted to talk about this

00:17:50   because I think it's a fascinating piece of technology,

00:17:54   like technically speaking,

00:17:56   but also in the context of Touch ID

00:17:58   being gone from the iPhone

00:18:00   and sort of what we think about what Samsung has done

00:18:02   if we miss Touch ID. So quick recap, this in this sensor underneath the display

00:18:11   is different from other implementations that we've seen in other smartphones

00:18:15   like the OnePlus 6T if I'm not mistaken or the Honor something. There's one of the Honor phones,

00:18:23   there's like the Vivo phone. So we spoke about different in-display fingerprint

00:18:28   sensors. A little while ago in episode 182, but they're a different technology.

00:18:33   Yeah, they were based essentially on taking a 2D picture of your finger.

00:18:38   Usually they work by shining a light inside the display so that the

00:18:43   sensor can take a picture of your fingerprint and unlock the phone.

00:18:47   These new ultrasonic fingerprint sensors, they are based on Qualcomm's technology.

00:18:52   they basically work by, they use sound waves to read your fingerprint, so the

00:18:59   sensor, it's called the 3D sonic sensor, it bounces sound waves of your skin and

00:19:07   it constructs on the fly a 3D image of your, of the ridges and valleys of your

00:19:15   fingerprint and this ultrasonic reader basically the advantage over the

00:19:22   other implementation that takes a picture is able to work even if objects

00:19:28   or like water or sweat or you know little particles of dirt are obstructing

00:19:35   they are you know placed on your skin so it doesn't it's it shouldn't be an issue

00:19:40   if like you just walked out of the shower or if your hands you know if you

00:19:44   just worked out for example so you have sweat on your hands that shouldn't be a

00:19:47   problem. And what makes it interesting, I think, is the fact that you're still gonna have like a

00:19:58   fixed spot on the screen where you need to place your finger. So it's not like you can place your

00:20:05   finger anywhere on the display. There's going to be like an area where you will see on the display

00:20:11   like a graphic of a fingerprint and you need to place your finger down and the phone will unlock.

00:20:16   So before the announcement, I was sort of concerned that, just like mostly everybody else who has an iPhone and sort of watches the Samsung event,

00:20:25   events with, you know, just to make fun of them or just to be overly, to be overly critic of anything that Samsung does.

00:20:34   I watch it out of genuine excitement, personally.

00:20:37   Yeah.

00:20:37   But I get your point.

00:20:39   I think a lot of people in the Apple community, they watch them to make silly jokes on Twitter.

00:20:46   Honestly, I think, and I've had this opinion for the past few years, I think Samsung, they make

00:20:54   some pretty awesome phones. Like, they are pretty to look at. There was a period of time where what

00:21:00   would happen was Apple would release a phone, this happened for a long time, and then Samsung would

00:21:04   release their phone and it would match Apple in a lot of departments, right?

00:21:10   Because Samsung have two major phone releases every year. They do the S line

00:21:15   in March and then the note line in like October. But what's happening now is, and

00:21:21   I think it's happened this time in a few areas, Apple release a phone in September

00:21:26   and then Samsung leapfrog them in March. Which is the way it should be because

00:21:30   they have more time or like it's on a different time frame so they should be

00:21:35   able to put out a device that has new and interesting features and all of the

00:21:39   videos all of the articles right now are talking about like a few key areas where

00:21:44   the Samsung phone is incredible I'm looking forward to the full reviews from

00:21:48   everybody but like the S10 looks amazing.

00:21:51   Yes so I think personally that the S10+ it looks better than my

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00:22:30   left are smaller. Yeah. So and yeah, I know like the cutouts there or whatever, but like

00:22:36   the notch is a huge cutout. They're all cutouts. Like, you know, it's their cutouts because

00:22:40   this is how it's going to be. But I think one of the other things is right, like, and

00:22:44   the reason that we like this is the iPhone 10 design is not new anymore. This is new.

00:22:49   I've never seen a phone like that before. That's exciting. Yeah, exactly. It is. And

00:22:54   now I know that, you know, you're listening to this episode and you're going to pause

00:22:59   and you're going to tweet at us saying, but the notch is bigger because it's got

00:23:02   the true dead sensors.

00:23:04   And this is why we wanted to talk about the fingerprint sensor.

00:23:07   Yeah, we know why the notch is there.

00:23:09   Face ID is amazing.

00:23:10   But like, here's the question.

00:23:12   Is face ID? Is it though?

00:23:14   Better. That's also my question.

00:23:16   No, but like, it's cool, right?

00:23:17   Like the facial recognition software that unlocks your phone is awesome.

00:23:21   It's futuristic and it works for most people.

00:23:25   Pause right there. OK, pause right there. OK.

00:23:28   I, in the past couple of months, I think a bunch of my friends, they've gotten iPhones for Christmas.

00:23:34   And also more, just more people who are not my friends. Even today we were at the doctor's office

00:23:39   with Sylvia and I noticed the doctor now has an iPhone 10s max and face ID was failing on their phone.

00:23:46   And in the past couple of months I've gotten so many complaints from my friends and other people

00:23:51   saying "but man that face ID never works huh?" and I'm like "have I misjudged face ID because I tend

00:24:00   to use it in you know in optimal conditions maybe or maybe I'm more forgiving of those problems?"

00:24:07   because a lot of people that I know they absolutely do not like it and the common theme is

00:24:16   but are they gonna bring Touch ID back eventually?

00:24:18   Like are they gonna offer both?

00:24:21   And so I think it's fascinating because yes,

00:24:23   personally I don't have these problems with Face ID

00:24:27   that for example Silvia has or my friends have,

00:24:31   but it's like, it's a complaint that keeps coming up

00:24:35   with people I know in real life.

00:24:37   And so I think it's fascinating that you have Apple

00:24:40   going down this Face ID route,

00:24:41   they don't care about Touch ID anymore,

00:24:43   and you have all these other companies.

00:24:45   Like I showed the Samsung video to Sylvia to show her this new in-display fingerprint sensor.

00:24:50   She was like, "Yes, I want that, but not on a Samsung phone."

00:24:53   I think I have a theory about the people's take on it.

00:24:57   I think it depends how they're coming into the interaction.

00:25:00   So me and you, and a lot of people that listen to the show,

00:25:04   were excited by Face ID when we first saw it.

00:25:06   Because this is the type of stuff we care about, is like crazy new technology.

00:25:10   But I think most people like Touch ID and just think that Face ID won't work for them so well.

00:25:17   So we probably have the same success failure rate, but our bias is different.

00:25:22   So when I see it failing, I'm less likely to notice it because I'm not really annoyed about it in the first place.

00:25:27   But if you're someone who doesn't want it to change, you like what you had or you think it's not going to work for you,

00:25:33   you're more likely to recognize and be frustrated by every time that it doesn't.

00:25:38   And so that's why I think that it's like these,

00:25:41   I think both of these are perfectly valid by the way.

00:25:43   Like if you liked touch ID and it worked for you

00:25:46   and now face ID doesn't work for you in the same way,

00:25:50   then you are perfectly valid to be annoyed by it.

00:25:53   I have watched a bunch of videos now about the S10.

00:26:00   - Yep.

00:26:01   - I would prefer the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor

00:26:04   to face ID on my iPhone.

00:26:06   On my iPad, I want Face ID, but on my iPhone,

00:26:10   I want the fingerprint sensor.

00:26:12   - I want both.

00:26:13   - Well, yeah, okay.

00:26:14   But you know, it's just like,

00:26:16   I'm not imagining that scenario.

00:26:18   We can get to the both scenario in a bit,

00:26:20   but like if we're just gonna choose.

00:26:22   And the reason I want it,

00:26:24   there are a bunch of scenarios where

00:26:27   Face ID doesn't work as well as Touch ID.

00:26:31   So Apple Pay being one of them,

00:26:34   because I always have to have my phone to my face.

00:26:36   And in the UK, we use Apple Pay to go through turnstiles for trains.

00:26:40   And I'm always finding myself being held up.

00:26:42   And this never happened to me before because I didn't need to look at the display.

00:26:47   And I know that, as you were saying, it's like it's not the full display,

00:26:50   but the place in which you would be using your fingerprint on the S10.

00:26:56   It's like a place that you understand, you know where it is.

00:26:59   It's where your thumb goes.

00:27:00   It's what you're used to.

00:27:01   And it's big enough, really.

00:27:02   It's yeah, it's big enough.

00:27:04   So, you know, stuff like that.

00:27:05   Any way any buying apps in the app store stuff is always annoying, right?

00:27:11   Like doing the double click and then doing the face.

00:27:13   I don't like having to do that.

00:27:14   Maybe you're lying down in bed, you know, you want to download a game.

00:27:17   And yeah, yeah.

00:27:18   The fact that it only does work in one orientation on the iPhone

00:27:22   is really annoying.

00:27:23   But for my iPad, because my iPad tends to be further away from me,

00:27:28   it works in all orientations. It's better.

00:27:29   And maybe if Face ID gets to all orientations on the iPhone

00:27:33   and stuff like that, it may alleviate some of my concerns because then maybe it will

00:27:38   have a better viewing angle in general so I won't have as many problems with Apple Pay

00:27:42   and stuff like that. But I look at this Samsung thing and it's like, "Oh, well, there's a

00:27:47   thing here. Not only does that look cool, it looks faster because it doesn't look slower

00:27:52   than the old fingerprint sensor and the fingerprint sensors definitely feel slower than the FaceID

00:27:58   does." And I think I really like that.

00:28:01   Yeah, yeah. And it really, it was just nice to be able to unlock your phone without looking at it.

00:28:09   Like, you know, there's some things that I can do on my phone just out of muscle memory. For example,

00:28:14   I can unlock swipe left. I know I'm in the widget and then I can just tap and run a shortcut. This

00:28:19   is something that I do all the time to shuffle a playlist on Apple Music, but now I need to look at

00:28:24   my phone because otherwise you want to unlock. Like I was watching the MKBHD

00:28:31   video about it that came out this morning. Yeah he did a really really

00:28:34   great video about the display and he did some amazing testing on the fingerprint sensor.

00:28:40   Yeah so he tested the sensor with some water, so he had like a bottle of

00:28:46   water and he tried to try with a wet finger to see if it worked and sure

00:28:51   enough it did. Then he tried with screen protectors and so the plastic screen

00:28:56   protector was not a problem for the fingerprint sensor of the S10 but the

00:29:00   glass screen protector which by the way Samsung does not sell so he tried an

00:29:05   iPhone one. But apparently they are either making them or they're gonna be

00:29:08   making ones which have a hole in the middle which is just hilarious to me.

00:29:12   Yeah, so the glass one if it covers the all the fingerprint sensor it's not

00:29:17   gonna work but otherwise he looked damn impressive like it was fast it was

00:29:23   accurate it worked with water it worked with plastic on top of the sensor. I also really liked

00:29:29   how he was showing how you don't even need to apply any pressure or leave your

00:29:34   like it's just super fast it's like super super fast and I find that

00:29:38   impressive because this is new technology which is better than the old

00:29:41   technology which is I know that sounds weird but like when you when you make

00:29:44   these weird leaps like face ID got a bit clunkier than touch ID because it was new. Well these

00:29:49   are ultrasonic fingerprint sensors, it may as well be new technology to the optical ones

00:29:54   that were before because it's so wildly different or like the way that it was being done on

00:29:58   the iPhone or when they were on the back of phones or whatever. But like this is just

00:30:03   a real interesting leap in technology because it allows you to have a fingerprint sensor

00:30:08   on a phone in a good area for a fingerprint sensor right like I like fingerprint sensors

00:30:14   on the back but I also like them on the front like it's like you know that they both have their

00:30:18   advantages but this is a technology that then also allows them to continue pushing the screen tech in

00:30:24   weird and interesting ways and having to have the fingerprint sensor doesn't mean that they can't do

00:30:30   interesting stuff with the screen and that's what Apple had to do right like Apple made the decision

00:30:35   like one way or another that like for them to get the screen the way they wanted they had to go with

00:30:41   a different form of recognition for like security stuff so they removed

00:30:46   Touch ID to put face ID and it allowed them to go edge to edge.

00:30:51   But you know I mean there could be a recency bias of like this is the new

00:30:55   technology but I do look at it and I'm like oh man I'm very jealous I want that

00:31:00   feature. The problem is I don't I don't see Apple walking back from

00:31:07   face 80 and say no we're gonna do fingerprints again. So here's a question on that right

00:31:12   because this is what I thought and a while ago somebody tweeted this to me and it was

00:31:16   an incredible observation and I wish I remembered the person's name but if you're out there

00:31:19   thank you. I hadn't thought of this before and again it's because I'm from a different

00:31:24   I'm in a different part of the world but in Asia lots of people wear face masks like like

00:31:30   surgical masks right because it's like cultural and conditions like that that's kind of the

00:31:35   the way that a lot of people spend, walk around, right?

00:31:38   They have things covering their faces.

00:31:41   Face ID cannot work there.

00:31:43   So that is a real problem for a huge part of Apple's market.

00:31:48   And I see something like that and I'm like,

00:31:50   oh man, if I lived in Japan, I wouldn't buy the new iPhone.

00:31:55   I wouldn't want that because it would be so annoying, right?

00:32:00   Like if every time you're out of the house,

00:32:03   you can't use Face ID or you have to take the mask off,

00:32:06   which means there was no point wearing it

00:32:09   in the first place, right?

00:32:11   Like, so I look at something like that and I'm like, ah.

00:32:15   So then I think, well, maybe they would do something.

00:32:17   'Cause the normal thinking is like, oh no,

00:32:21   Apple don't go back, right?

00:32:23   Because any Touch ID is going back.

00:32:25   It doesn't matter what that technology is,

00:32:27   it's going back. - Maybe it's not

00:32:28   called Touch ID anymore.

00:32:30   It's a new thing.

00:32:31   - Yeah, but if it's, I mean,

00:32:32   only we know it's called Touch ID, everybody else knows it's the fingerprint sensor.

00:32:35   If they ever start doing fingerprint sensors again, it will look like they're going back,

00:32:40   and I usually would say like, "What would they tell the story?"

00:32:44   I just don't need, like...

00:32:45   So that is why I think they should be doing both.

00:32:48   I think it could, it's more likely to happen for that reasoning, if this is a thing that

00:32:52   is a problem for them.

00:32:53   I could see the argument of, "We want to offer more choice, and we figured out a way to make

00:32:58   it works seamlessly and it's secure with the secure enclave and whatever, like I could

00:33:03   see offering more options as a way to not make it look like Apple made a bad decision,

00:33:11   because there are benefits to Face ID, like you're wearing gloves or, you know, I don't

00:33:19   know, because with the ultrasonic, the sweat and water and dirt and grease and lotion,

00:33:23   it's not an argument anymore.

00:33:24   I mean, when it works, I do still consider it to be a nicer experience to just pick up my phone and it be unlocked rather than me needing to perform an action.

00:33:32   But it's more like, I think from an idealistic point of view, yes you're right.

00:33:39   And I think maybe when we were reviewing the new phones two years ago, maybe we lacked this perspective.

00:33:46   I think in everyday usage

00:33:48   like that is

00:33:51   Not often as true though like the the perfect dream of I pick up my phone and it's already unlocked like I could either

00:33:58   It either doesn't work or I always see the animation anyway. It still doesn't feel as fast as touch ID

00:34:05   I still have to swipe up to get to the home screen

00:34:07   So yeah, I'm still doing something and my thumb is then going where it would have been to just press the home button

00:34:12   Anyway, so like yeah, it's nice

00:34:14   I still do really like face ID. I'm not changing course on this. I really like it

00:34:19   but it's not perfect and

00:34:22   I

00:34:25   Don't think I ever really found mice. I didn't have any problems with fingerprint authentication. I had none right so I

00:34:32   Don't know. I don't know

00:34:34   I think this is really I think this is tricky and I don't know if I know what the way forward is

00:34:39   but I think it's super cool that Samsung's doing this because

00:34:42   It is also allowing them to make their phones look more interested and cool because they don't have a notch

00:34:48   At least they have a notch in the folding phone, but that's like a whole other big thing for another time

00:34:53   But there's no notch in their s line

00:34:55   They can do these weird cool camera cutouts

00:34:58   Which I think looks super interesting and even more futuristic right because it's like this is something that I've never seen before

00:35:03   and

00:35:07   They don't have to look

00:35:09   They to their customers. I don't know if they're like super or not because they do facial recognition stuff

00:35:15   It's not a secure but like people that think ah, I really want facial recognition

00:35:20   Well, you can it still checks that box, right?

00:35:23   Like they still have a version of it because Samsung's had it for years

00:35:27   But it's just been bad and it was easily fooled because it's using

00:35:30   Like it's mapping your face with a camera as opposed to all the sensors that Apple uses

00:35:37   But then they're also like not only are they not changing things up for their users

00:35:42   They are offering an alternative for people that are frustrated with facial recognition. Yeah, I don't know and I I feel like I really want

00:35:49   both face ID and touch ID in the same phone and

00:35:52   I'm super jealous of this S10

00:35:56   I wish it could be like a phone that I just try for a week and then return

00:35:59   but I don't wanna and don't wanna go through the entire process and I'm just

00:36:04   I wish that this is more of a general wish that does not pertain to the fingerprints necessarily

00:36:11   But I just wish that more people on Twitter and the people that I follow at least would be more a little more

00:36:16   accepting of other companies trying different things because I think it's cool and

00:36:21   You know some folks that I follow often lack that kind of perspective

00:36:26   They only believe that what Apple does is right and everything else is wrong

00:36:29   Also, I think it's super cool that they've integrated Instagram into the camera app

00:36:33   so you can just go straight to stories from your camera.

00:36:35   I know.

00:36:36   And they have the wide angle lens as well which looks super awesome.

00:36:41   That I want as well and those photos, they look punchy to me, those colors, I like them

00:36:49   a lot.

00:36:50   You don't need to modify them to make them look pretty.

00:36:53   But it's a personal preference.

00:36:56   Samsung's always been like that though.

00:36:57   they've always had like super high saturation on their photos.

00:37:02   And like,

00:37:03   it's been a thing that like I've always liked the pictures that come from

00:37:06   Samsung phones, but I know that, I know that they've,

00:37:08   they're faking it a little bit.

00:37:10   Yeah.

00:37:12   I'll put a link in the show notes to a tweet from Jeff,

00:37:15   Luke Fowler, um, who took a picture using all three lenses.

00:37:19   So you can see how good it looks and also get an idea of the, uh, uh,

00:37:23   of the three cameras.

00:37:25   Yeah.

00:37:26   Are you gonna buy an S10 mic?

00:37:30   No.

00:37:31   Okay.

00:37:32   Because I have a lot of money to save up to buy the phone and phone.

00:37:36   Yeah.

00:37:37   Really?

00:37:38   Are you buying that?

00:37:40   I'm seriously considering it, yeah.

00:37:44   When is it launching again?

00:37:45   April.

00:37:46   End of April.

00:37:49   I know it sounds ridiculous because it's like £2000 and I 100% reserve the right to return

00:37:54   it. But it's like in our pursuit of trying to understand technology, I kind of wanna,

00:38:02   I wanna be able to understand it and then also be the guy in our circles is the only

00:38:07   person who actually has one. So I will have something to say on it, you know? I don't

00:38:14   know. I'm considering it. What I would really love is for someone from Samsung to send one

00:38:20   to me but the likelihood of that occurring is about 0% chance because they're gonna give

00:38:27   those even if I was ever to get in front of somebody at Samsung they would never send

00:38:31   me one of those.

00:38:32   I don't think it's impossible.

00:38:34   Not that phone.

00:38:37   That's gonna go to like MKBHD and like The Verge.

00:38:43   This is like two people because apparently like there was like an article on The Verge

00:38:47   about this they're like barely gonna make any of them and they're gonna do

00:38:52   this like super weird almost Apple watch edition like buying process and they've

00:39:01   talking about like they want to make sure that everyone has like an element

00:39:04   of sales aftercare if they need it like this is a super weird phone but that's

00:39:10   also kind of why I'm excited about it I'm really excited by these folding phones

00:39:13   and I would like to be able to try and understand what a folding phone means

00:39:18   sooner rather than later like what it means to use something like that.

00:39:24   And the Huawei Mate X is launching sometime in the middle of the year.

00:39:32   Okay, okay.

00:39:33   But I think that Samsung have made the right decision on folding in rather than folding around.

00:39:39   With the additional external display?

00:39:42   Yeah, and whilst this one is super ugly, I think once Samsung get it to a point where they can have

00:39:47   a regular phone's display on the front and then a folded display on the inside, I think that will be

00:39:51   that's it. Because I just don't, I cannot foresee a situation in which an all plastic covered screen,

00:40:00   all your phone is screen, right? And you're just like putting your phone down in places,

00:40:05   that thing is going to be destroyed, right? Because it's all plastic, you can't put a case on it,

00:40:11   they're going to get scratched to hell. But with Samsung, this plastic part, the scratchable

00:40:16   part is on the inside. So you just close it up and it's protected. So that's why I think

00:40:22   that Samsung are on to the right form factor. But we'll see. I'm interested also to see

00:40:27   what ends up winning out.

00:40:29   Okay, we'll follow up on the Galaxy Fold purchase process.

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00:42:41   We're both using Evernote again, so let's talk about that.

00:42:46   Okay, so this is something that I wrote a couple of weeks ago in the Club Max Stories

00:42:55   newsletter, Max Stories Weekly, it's gonna be I think on the website as well for everybody

00:43:00   to read eventually, probably this week.

00:43:04   So my journey to Evernote, it did not start with my intention of using Evernote again,

00:43:12   something that I just stumbled upon accidentally, I suppose.

00:43:16   I did not set out to try Evernote again.

00:43:20   It just sort of happened when I realized it was what I needed,

00:43:23   which I think is sort of also kind of your journey.

00:43:25   Yeah, I realized I was going to use Evernote again

00:43:29   whilst talking about it on an episode of Cortex

00:43:32   where we were kind of making fun of it.

00:43:34   And then I actually realized for a project that I needed a new like

00:43:37   app like this for and I was trying out some of your recommendations,

00:43:41   which we're probably going to touch on in a minute,

00:43:43   but the one I actually needed was Evernote.

00:43:45   And I've been using Evernote for a bit,

00:43:47   and I've spoke about that a couple of times

00:43:49   on Cortex as well recently.

00:43:51   - Yeah, and those are really good episodes

00:43:54   that I recommend listening.

00:43:55   So my process was, for the past year,

00:44:00   I've been using Keepit on iOS and macOS

00:44:03   to organize my research material,

00:44:05   to have an archive of PDF documents

00:44:08   that I keep for reference,

00:44:10   and to save notes about articles that I'm working on

00:44:14   and just a more permanent place than Apple Notes.

00:44:18   For Apple Notes, I save quick bits of links and pictures, stuff like that,

00:44:25   but in Keepit, I used to have my more serious work-related archive.

00:44:30   This started with one of the iOS reviews, right?

00:44:32   As a lot of technological changes happened for you.

00:44:34   It started last spring when I was preparing for...

00:44:38   Before going to WWDC, I was sort of taking a look at my process and I realized I need to have a better system

00:44:45   before I'm gonna start working on the iOS 12 review in June.

00:44:49   And I did some research and I think around April or May 2018, I settled on Keepit.

00:44:55   So I went to WWDC and right there I started saving all of my stuff in Keepit.

00:45:00   And the idea was I needed to have a reference manager with the ability to create saved searches and to have tags.

00:45:11   And Kipit was the best option on iOS.

00:45:13   But over the past few months I've found myself annoyed at the fact that every time I wanted to save some...

00:45:22   I do a lot of appending text or files to existing notes.

00:45:27   This is something that the Apple Notes app is really good at because it lets you append from the share extension, but in Keepit

00:45:34   this

00:45:36   was not supported before the latest version of the app. So my switch to Evernote happened before Keepit was updated to version

00:45:43   1.6, but it still does not fix my problems. I was gonna mention in a minute

00:45:47   But anyway, every time I wanted to append a file or some rich text to Keepit

00:45:53   I needed to launch the app and I made some shortcuts to simplify the process

00:45:58   but it was still involving the whole dance of leave Safari, open keep it and go

00:46:04   back to Safari, you know that kind of stuff based on X callback automation and

00:46:09   I realized you know it would be really nice if I could have rich text and all

00:46:17   kinds of media, from PDF attachments to web archive attachments to audio and

00:46:24   even video, and append this stuff to the same note without ever having to leave

00:46:31   shortcuts. So to be able to do this all from Safari and from the shortcuts

00:46:36   extension inside Safari or Safari View Controller. And I realized, you know, maybe

00:46:43   I should just... this is exactly what Evernote does because Evernote has an open web API and that API

00:46:50   is integrated with shortcuts because you can log into your Evernote account from the shortcuts app

00:46:57   and all of the Evernote actions that the shortcuts has, they do not require you to open

00:47:03   manually, like to launch the Evernote app, they just happen through the web, they just happen

00:47:08   through your Evernote account and I hadn't considered the Evernote actions before but the

00:47:17   moment that I tried them again in Shortcuts I realized you know this is such a much better

00:47:21   experience than having to launch an app and then go back to what I was previously doing.

00:47:27   And Shortcuts has actions to create notes and when you create notes you can just pass anything

00:47:34   to the Evernote action. It can be text or rich text, it can be some HTML, it can be a PDF, it can

00:47:40   be a web archive, it can be anything. And you can specify the title of the note, you can specify tags

00:47:45   and even the notebook. But there's also an action to append and it works the same way, you just need

00:47:51   to say to this existing note put this text or this file at the bottom and it just happens in a couple

00:47:58   of seconds and you never leave the shortcuts extension. And I started playing with this and

00:48:06   I downloaded Evernote on iOS and I should say Ryan wrote an article on Mac Stories about how Evernote

00:48:13   is surprisingly better than it used to be on iOS. They slimmed down a lot of the interactions,

00:48:20   they got rid of a bunch of craft that was problematic before. It's still not perfect and

00:48:25   and there's still a bunch of things that drive me crazy, but Evernote on iOS is better than

00:48:30   it used to be.

00:48:31   Like, it's got keyboard shortcuts, it's got Siri shortcuts, it's got a dark mode even,

00:48:37   and it fully supports multitasking of course.

00:48:40   It's not a terrible app anymore, even though feature parity with the Mac version is still

00:48:46   a huge problem for me.

00:48:47   But yeah, basically I started playing around with this and I realized I can have saved

00:48:52   searches in Evernote, I can use tags and I can put together all of these shortcuts.

00:48:57   I basically took all of my Apple Notes and keep it shortcuts, switched the actions at the end

00:49:05   with Evernote actions, the native ones that happen through the Evernote account, and now those

00:49:12   shortcuts, instead of taking like 10 seconds to execute because I need to leave Safari or I need

00:49:18   to leave files and open keep it and then go back. They just happen in two

00:49:23   seconds and I'm done and everything is in Evernote. And I've been using this

00:49:28   system for three weeks almost and it's actually quite beautiful. It works

00:49:35   really well and I can append, for example, I can append the clipboard to a note

00:49:40   just by talking to Siri and I don't even need to see what happens. It just saves

00:49:45   my clipboard from an iPhone to a note. It's called the Evernote Scratchpad.

00:49:50   This is a simple shortcut that I have and it's really handy. And also a final point,

00:49:56   because Evernote has an API, it has Zapier integration. So what I have put

00:50:02   together is something that I've always dreamed of. I no longer need to use a Mac

00:50:07   to paste actual rich text into Google Docs or my podcast show notes. I made a

00:50:13   shortcut that sends basically a ping to Zapier, to a recipe or whatever it's

00:50:22   called on my Zapier account. And this request just says "connected" or "remaster"

00:50:29   or "app stories". And depending on what it says, Zapier takes what is in the

00:50:35   Evernote note belonging to that show. So I have a notebook called

00:50:40   podcasts in Evernote and into this notebook there are three notes

00:50:45   for, they're called connected show notes, App Stories show notes and remastered

00:50:50   show notes and my Zapier recipe takes the rich text of each note depending on

00:50:56   which one I need and appends it as rich text including hyperlinks and

00:51:02   highlighted text and bullet lists to the Google document for the show. It happens

00:51:10   in five seconds and I get a pushover notification at the end when the rich text has been appended

00:51:16   to Google Docs.

00:51:17   It is glorious and I no longer need to lose my formatting or having to use my Mac to do

00:51:22   this.

00:51:23   So one of the extra benefits of Evernote.

00:51:25   Yeah, I mean, for me, my requirements, I don't think, are as much as yours.

00:51:32   So like I'm working on a project called Cortex Brand, which is like a, me and CGP Grey are

00:51:39   working on a company that makes stuff.

00:51:43   It's kind of all we really have right now.

00:51:44   - Can I do it?

00:51:45   - Yeah, go.

00:51:46   - Cortexbrand.com.

00:51:47   - Thank you very much.

00:51:49   So right now it's merch, but we have some ideas

00:51:52   and we're working through some stuff.

00:51:54   Stuff that people like us, nerds like us.

00:51:56   So the idea is I wanted to be able to keep

00:52:00   a bunch of website links for stuff that inspires me,

00:52:04   like PDFs, notes, we have lists and stuff,

00:52:08   and some sketches and all kinds of stuff.

00:52:11   And I started looking around

00:52:12   and I started keeping them in Apple Notes,

00:52:14   but it was becoming too difficult for me

00:52:16   to find everything that I needed.

00:52:18   And it was also getting all, you know,

00:52:21   like it's full of, I use Apple Notes for everything.

00:52:23   And I was unhappy with it being not as simple

00:52:27   as I wanted to be able to just look at everything in one go.

00:52:30   So I wanted to find like a separate place for this

00:52:32   so I could keep it all kind of like sequestered away

00:52:35   from all the other work that I did.

00:52:36   'cause it's kind of like a side project.

00:52:38   It's like also all the email associated to Cortex brand

00:52:42   goes into Outlook where I use Spark.

00:52:44   So it's like just keeping everything separate

00:52:46   from my usual day to day,

00:52:47   so I don't start getting stuff all mixed up.

00:52:50   So I was trying out a bunch of apps

00:52:52   and I didn't like what I was working with.

00:52:55   Keep It didn't work for me

00:52:57   'cause I like to write in outlines

00:52:58   and that just doesn't seem to want to work

00:53:00   in the way that I wanted.

00:53:02   There's just like the indents just weren't working

00:53:05   with the keyboard. - Yep.

00:53:06   that's just inexcusable to me.

00:53:08   If you have bullets, if you allow for bullet lists

00:53:10   in your app, the tab key and shift tab should work

00:53:14   for indenting and out-denting.

00:53:17   Or as Apple calls it, indent left and indent right.

00:53:19   (laughing)

00:53:22   That's what it says in notes if you do the little,

00:53:24   you get the little tooltip thing pop up.

00:53:26   - Something that does not exist in the English language.

00:53:28   - Well, does now.

00:53:30   So like I wanted a tool that was basically format agnostic.

00:53:33   Like it would suck in whatever I would give it

00:53:35   And that is what Evernote is brilliant at, you know?

00:53:38   And I wanted something that was available on all platforms

00:53:43   and potentially for collaboration as well.

00:53:46   And this ticks all the boxes.

00:53:49   Like with you, Evernote is not perfect,

00:53:51   but I use it infrequently enough

00:53:55   that its frustrations don't compound for me.

00:53:58   Every now and then,

00:54:01   it's like the UI kinda just flashes a little bit,

00:54:03   or like the page is flashing.

00:54:04   I'm like, what are you doing?

00:54:06   Why is that happening?

00:54:07   And it's like little things like that.

00:54:08   If I was using Evernote as my notes app,

00:54:11   like I used to today, it would drive me mad.

00:54:13   But just as like a kind of what it was always intended to be

00:54:17   like this kind of like outboard brain thing, right?

00:54:20   It's just like, I could just put stuff in there

00:54:21   and it works, that's perfect for me.

00:54:23   It lets me write in outline formats really easily,

00:54:26   which I like.

00:54:27   And the app feels a lot simpler than it used to be.

00:54:31   And you noted this in your Club Max Stories article,

00:54:36   that they are basically committed

00:54:38   to making the product better.

00:54:42   They have a new CEO who's committed

00:54:43   to making the product better

00:54:45   in a bunch of different ways this year,

00:54:46   which is also something just worth keeping an eye on.

00:54:50   But I think that so far, Evernote is in a better state

00:54:54   than when I left it last.

00:54:56   And for the type of project that I wanna do, it works.

00:54:59   Would I want to move my notes.app to Evernote?

00:55:03   No, I would certainly not want to do that.

00:55:05   Like what you're doing with the show notes stuff is cool,

00:55:08   but I couldn't work with my show notes that way.

00:55:11   Like I use notes and it works great for me.

00:55:14   - So what happened there is,

00:55:17   I actually moved everything to Evernote,

00:55:20   both KeepIt and Apple Notes.

00:55:22   So right now in Apple Notes, I just have my shared notes

00:55:26   because I really like how it works

00:55:28   to share with other people.

00:55:29   but I no longer keep anything in the notes app.

00:55:32   So everything is in Evernote.

00:55:33   - Is it all going in Evernote?

00:55:34   - I just, I went all in, I wanna see what happens.

00:55:36   - I mean, that is the best way to test the system like that.

00:55:39   But like I wasn't looking for something

00:55:42   out of frustration at Apple Notes.

00:55:43   Like Apple Notes will do basically all of the stuff

00:55:46   that I want that I'm using Evernote for,

00:55:49   but I just wanted a separate place

00:55:53   because the notes were starting to get unruly

00:55:56   and I don't use the folder stuff in Apple Notes

00:55:59   and I don't really want to either, because then if I start putting some stuff in folders,

00:56:03   I kind of have to put everything in folders.

00:56:04   And I think like when you use folders, it reduces the preview lines.

00:56:07   I also didn't like that when you start using folders, what it does to the general user

00:56:11   interface of notes, I don't like that.

00:56:12   It's everything starts to get all these icons all over the place and say, no, this is not

00:56:17   for me. But Evernote is working perfectly for what I need it to, which I cannot believe

00:56:23   is a phrase I'm using in 2019.

00:56:26   Yeah, I think what pushed me to also leave Apple Notes was the fact that in the latest shortcuts beta,

00:56:35   they added some new Apple Notes actions. Like you can append to a specific Apple Note with a shortcut action,

00:56:44   but they only support plain text, and I was very annoyed at that limitation because if...

00:56:52   I wanted to be able to append files or rich text and so it was really the Evernote integration in shortcuts.

00:56:59   I think it was the factor that pushed me to sort of throw everything into Evernote.

00:57:05   But just for reference if anybody from Evernote is listening, I have a list of complaints.

00:57:11   Again, they were originally published in the Clapmax Stories newsletter.

00:57:14   They're gonna be on the website because this is a column that I want as many people as possible to read.

00:57:20   But as a quick summary, the iOS app should have feature parity with the Mac.

00:57:25   I don't think in 2019 it makes sense to treat the iOS version of a product as the

00:57:33   smaller or

00:57:35   companion version. Like, come on, we have iPad Pro.

00:57:38   At least they seem to know this because it's like a thing that they specifically called out, right?

00:57:43   That they want to have all of their apps be the same.

00:57:45   This is like a blog post they wrote in January for their 2019 kind of goals as a company.

00:57:49   The fact that they're being open about that fact at least gives me some hope that they're

00:57:54   going to make sure that they get the iOS app to where they want it to be.

00:57:59   Or they make the Mac app worse.

00:58:00   Who knows which way they're around they're going to deal with it.

00:58:03   So a few examples, you cannot build saved searches with a visual tool on iOS.

00:58:11   You need to use the advanced search syntax, which is ugly.

00:58:16   the Mac they have a visual tool which is nice to create safe searches.

00:58:22   This is a general complaint but you still cannot have individual views per notebook.

00:58:30   So once you choose a type of view it applies to all of the notebooks in Evernote.

00:58:35   You cannot say "oh I want this notebook to have snippet view and I want this other notebook

00:58:39   to have grid view".

00:58:40   Does that work on the Mac?

00:58:41   No.

00:58:42   Individual views?

00:58:43   No.

00:58:44   It's just a thing you want?

00:58:45   The Mac has the ability to do advanced sorting of a notebook, so you can do, for example, I want to see latest to oldest but in the reverse order, for example.

00:58:58   These options are not available on iOS. The keyboard shortcuts on the iPad are... there are some of them, but it could be so much better.

00:59:07   selection is very small and the clipper, the Evernote clipper for desktop computers is

00:59:13   basically non-existent on iOS.

00:59:15   They have a share extension but it does not have nearly the same amount of options as

00:59:21   the clipper as for Safari or Google Chrome on the Mac.

00:59:26   The text editor, I should say, is better than I remembered and it's actually, I think, the

00:59:32   best rich text editor with support for bullet lists and indenting and

00:59:38   outdenting that I've seen with the smart keyboard on the iPad Pro. I was very

00:59:42   surprised at this honestly. Works really well. So yeah I guess we'll follow up on

00:59:51   Evernote before WWDC again. I want to see what happens in terms of like will I

00:59:56   stick to it? Also there's Keep It 1.6 just came out but it's got some new

01:00:01   series shortcuts to append the clipboard to a note but it's still not as flexible

01:00:08   as Evernote because you basically if you want to append data to a note you gotta

01:00:13   create individual series shortcuts for that note. It's not like

01:00:19   in Evernote you can just set up a shortcut and say with the

01:00:23   visual tool you can say append to this note because it's got like customizable

01:00:27   parameters. Keepit is just using of course series shortcuts because once

01:00:30   Once again, Apple should allow developers to actually do native shortcuts actions, but

01:00:36   right now they are limited to Siri shortcuts.

01:00:38   So we'll see how it goes.

01:00:40   It cannot be understated how good and how deep the support for shortcuts is with Evernote.

01:00:47   They have done an incredible job.

01:00:49   You can delete notes, you can get links to individual Evernote notes, and not only that,

01:00:56   you can choose to get the shareable link or the local, you know,

01:01:02   Evernote URL scheme. Totally a teaching story.

01:01:05   I made a shortcut to append tattoo ideas to an Evernote note.

01:01:12   I was searching for pictures of black roses and, like, to give my guy,

01:01:18   my tattoo guy, some examples for reference.

01:01:20   So I made a shortcut to simplify the process that the shortcut would just take

01:01:24   picture from the clipboard and append it to a note in Evernote. And when I was done, I just

01:01:31   used another shortcut that I put together that lets me easily get a link to an Evernote note from

01:01:40   the shortcuts app and I created a shareable link for that note and I sent it to my tattoo guy on

01:01:47   WhatsApp as a link. So it got access to my examples in my Evernote account using shortcuts.

01:01:55   So yeah, that was very cool. It's a very Federica situation there.

01:01:59   The unique blend of tattoos and automation. That's my life in 2019.

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01:04:00   So we're going to do something a little bit different to finish up today's

01:04:03   episode, which is an idea that you had, which I thought, I don't know if I have

01:04:07   an idea for this. And then immediately had an idea about 10 minutes later.

01:04:10   So the idea that you pitched to me here was what is an app that you would like

01:04:16   to exist that doesn't exist right now?

01:04:19   And I I've thought of something super boring, but it's something that I would

01:04:25   really like, and it's an app that would integrate more tightly a task manager

01:04:31   and a calendar.

01:04:33   OK, please explain this to me.

01:04:34   For me, tasks and calendar entries

01:04:39   are very closely tied together, not for everything,

01:04:42   but for a lot of things in my life, they go hand in hand.

01:04:46   So here's something, right?

01:04:49   When I get a task like

01:04:52   when I get a calendar event, say like record connected,

01:04:55   there are a bunch of tasks that can happen before and after

01:05:01   that I shouldn't have to have set up. So for example, every time I record connected, the

01:05:07   morning of the show I want to have a task pop up to say "hey, you need to do your prep"

01:05:15   and then in the case of today's episode, an hour later, two hours after it ends, publish

01:05:21   the show or edit the show, right? So my thinking was, imagine when you set up a recurring calendar

01:05:28   event that you could also have fields in the entry which are like what are the tasks you

01:05:33   would like to be attached to this recurring event. So every time that recurring event

01:05:38   triggers it also adds in a bunch of tasks. So like for example whenever I record an episode

01:05:46   of Cortex I have a, I do this in things because whatever everyone needs multiple apps, I use

01:05:56   Please, not today. I have a Siri shortcut and then I can have this big list of tasks

01:06:02   with all these different headings. Some happen on the day I'm editing, some is after, some

01:06:09   is a couple of days later to make sure that I've got the whole process taken care of.

01:06:13   But really, I have to now set a recurring task in Todoist, which reminds me to set the

01:06:21   Siri shortcut, which will trigger the thing in things. But really, it would be great if

01:06:28   just, and I know you can do all this stuff with automation, but I don't want that, right?

01:06:33   Because I have more stuff that I want to do here, by the way, like this is just one part

01:06:37   of this application, that like I can do it all in iOS, right? So then like, when I'm

01:06:40   setting up these new recurring events or any event, so like, for example, if I was setting

01:06:46   up an event for a plane trip, right? Like I'm going on a trip. I could set a task to

01:06:52   be like pack suitcase that would just appear the day before and like that's just a normal

01:06:57   thing. But then you could use machine learning. So I could say to the app every time a flight

01:07:03   goes in and a pack suitcase task two days before. And also like I was thinking you could

01:07:10   could also analyze words that I'm using and suggest due times based on events that I typically

01:07:17   have in my calendar.

01:07:18   So for example, if I'm like record blank, it knows like that's a podcast, it knows it's

01:07:24   going to take me a couple of hours.

01:07:27   Maybe you could make some suggestions about where this event could go, looking at what

01:07:32   my calendar events look like, but also say like, oh, if you're putting a record, would

01:07:38   also like to add an editing task at this time? Because then also every time I add a task

01:07:44   to my to-do list, just in general, so let's say I go in and I want to add a task in to

01:07:48   prepare for something, the due times could all be understood based upon like, what other

01:07:54   events are in my calendar? When could I actually do this? Because I'm supposed to be recording

01:07:59   three shows in a day, right? So like, integrating tasks and events could be like a fun little

01:08:05   I also thought that you could have like events could have projects also related to them and

01:08:12   projects of your tasks and your events could be the same. So like if I ever go to like my record

01:08:19   podcast project, I will see all of the tasks and all of the events in one view. So like I can get

01:08:25   like at any point one view of all of my tasks and all of my events in the same place and I can have

01:08:32   have everything categorized. I also thought automatically time track everything because

01:08:37   why not. So that's my app. It's called 123 Event Task Calendar Manager. And we'll get

01:08:44   to it in a minute why I have no plans to make it or have someone make it for me. That's

01:08:48   like a secondary part of this. But that's what I would like. I would like an app that

01:08:52   integrates my tasks and my calendar events together.

01:08:56   Okay, yeah, okay, so my idea is much simpler than that.

01:09:01   I want an app that replaces a task I asked my girlfriend to perform.

01:09:06   Do not laugh, I'm totally serious.

01:09:09   I want to have an app that basically...

01:09:16   It's like a dictionary app with a built-in quiz mode.

01:09:21   So, right now, I...

01:09:25   So, as a non-native English person, I save a lot of words when I'm reading.

01:09:32   And right now my favorite dictionary app is Lookup, which has this collections feature that lets me save, for example, verbs in their own folder,

01:09:44   and, you know, adjectives in their own folder and adverbs and all that kind of stuff.

01:09:48   So I have multiple collections for different types of words that I discover when reading.

01:09:53   But then, and I've been doing this for years with different apps,

01:09:57   every once in a while I ask Silvia to go through my list of saved words

01:10:02   and ask me about their meaning,

01:10:04   to see if I've memorised those words and if I remember what they mean.

01:10:08   I think even for non-native English speakers,

01:10:11   If you take the time to learn a word of the day, it's only useful if you can remember the word.

01:10:17   Exactly, exactly. Most of these word of the day apps, they would send you a notification

01:10:24   and you read the meaning and you're like "oh yeah, that's pretty cool" and then you forget about it.

01:10:28   Who remembers it? You didn't know it in the first place, so why is this reading at one time?

01:10:32   I'm sure that every now and then one of them will resonate and you'll be like "oh yeah,

01:10:36   I will remember that because I've been looking for a word like this".

01:10:39   Yeah, so and I've been doing this for years, you know, either when we're driving or when we have, I don't know, five minutes and Sylvia's doing nothing

01:10:47   I would be like, "Hey, you want to quiz me on the words that I've saved?"

01:10:51   But it would be so much better. I mean, I would still sort of ask her to do it, but it should be

01:10:57   frictionless. Like right now, especially in Lookup, she needs to open a collection and

01:11:04   Select an individual word and then navigate to a separate screen to see what it means.

01:11:09   Instead I would like to have a dictionary app that lets me save words in collection.

01:11:14   And this could be a new app or it could be, ideally, it should be a specific mode of Lookup because I really like Lookup.

01:11:19   There should be a Quiz/Flashcard mode that would basically take a collection and create like a specific game view or like a practice mode or again like Flashcard mode

01:11:33   that strips out all of the UI and just gives you a card with the word that you want to ask about

01:11:43   and the primary meaning of that word.

01:11:46   And that's it.

01:11:48   You can swipe through all of these flashcards, all of these multiple questions,

01:11:54   and there don't need to be points.

01:11:56   I mean, there could be points if you really want to, if you really want to monitor progress

01:12:00   and sort of gamify the entire thing, but for me it would be enough just to have like a

01:12:06   presentation mode, but it's for words and definitions, and it's sort of structured like

01:12:12   a flashcard type of deal. There are some apps to do this on the App Store, but they're not really

01:12:19   optimized for this kind of usage. They're more like the generic flashcard apps that you can sort

01:12:27   of make work for dictionaries, but I really want this to be a feature of my main dictionary app.

01:12:33   And maybe, you know, there could be like, like I was thinking, there could be optional settings

01:12:42   that you could turn on, like Wikipedia integration if you want to quiz me about topics instead of

01:12:47   words, or there could be like the ability to show multiple meanings, like some words, you know,

01:12:52   they have multiple meanings and it could be nice to to be able to guess both. But yeah, I want to

01:12:59   be able to save my list of words as I've always had. Now in Lookup I even get to save them in separate

01:13:05   collections which is great, but when I need to practice my memorization of those words I would

01:13:11   like to have this separate mode.

01:13:13   All right, so we both have these ideas for apps that we want, so why don't we just like make them or hire someone to make them?

01:13:21   Well, the primary reason is just I just don't have the time.

01:13:29   I'm doing already so many things and so many projects going on that it's not as making

01:13:35   apps, making an app for it is not as easy as it was in 2008.

01:13:40   It's just asking somebody like the entire process of planning and finding a person and

01:13:47   budgeting how much money you want to invest in this and thinking of the business model

01:13:51   and doing support later, if you can reach the end of the project and release the app on the App Store.

01:13:57   It's a whole separate career and I already have a career, I already have a job, I actually have

01:14:03   multiple jobs because I write and I talk on podcasts. So if I were to add "App Developer" or "App

01:14:12   Director" - gosh that's an ugly and stupid word - but if I were to do that I would basically stop

01:14:19   spending time with my girlfriend and my dogs and my friends so I prefer to keep

01:14:24   doing my job and just wish for things to happen eventually you know. Yep like this

01:14:30   is the thing that I've heard a lot when you know when with the Cortex brand

01:14:35   stuff we've asked for people to who make stuff that could be interesting that

01:14:40   would like think that they could make something that we me and Grey would be

01:14:43   interested in to reach out and I've heard from a lot of people that make

01:14:46   software and I have no desire to make software one for that reason two like

01:14:53   this is part of like us creating a business and I am unsure about the

01:15:00   long-term viability of any type of software product it is very hard to make

01:15:06   money in apps not impossible but it's difficult you know this is something

01:15:11   that we talk about this all the time and I don't know if I want to invest time, money and attention

01:15:18   into something that I am not necessarily confident would be a thing that could end up making money

01:15:27   in the long run considering the amount of time and attention I have to put in it which is not a ton.

01:15:33   There's other stuff that I can do and that we will do that I know more about and would take less

01:15:40   time to make profit right if it's a business that we're building here that's

01:15:47   pretty important especially because I have no desire in like building a

01:15:52   company to try and get it bought by someone and doing all that and getting

01:15:55   VC and like I don't want to do anything like that the other thing is I have

01:15:59   pretty high standards for what I consider to be quality software and

01:16:03   and getting that right is very difficult to do. So I'm not confident in my ability to get it right

01:16:12   for me or for other people even. I lead that kind of stuff to the experts but...

01:16:17   Yeah and also I guess my problem is that I know myself and if I like I wouldn't be able to direct

01:16:28   something that if something is not right

01:16:36   or up to my standards or my taste

01:16:40   I was not able to fix myself

01:16:42   which means I would need to learn

01:16:43   programming

01:16:46   because I know myself and I wouldn't like

01:16:50   going to developer or designer and saying

01:16:53   you need to do this in another way. I

01:16:56   would want to be able to directly fix it

01:16:56   like I do for articles on Mac stories, for example. I don't just give general guidelines, I actually

01:17:02   provide edits or suggestions for how to actually improve an article. And the idea of "I'm just this

01:17:10   guy with an idea, I just know how I work, just know how I'm built, and so I know that I would end up

01:17:18   learning Swift and the basics of programming, and again, I cannot afford to do that because I don't

01:17:23   have the time and because my job is something else. So I actually like that I can throw ideas

01:17:30   into the wind and hoping that somebody picks them up and makes them. So this is why I wanted to talk

01:17:36   about this on the show because maybe somebody's gonna develop, hold on, 123 Event Task Calendar

01:17:42   Manager or what's the name of my app? Am I allowed to use the 123 brand? - Yeah, of course.

01:17:52   uh one two three word quiz is is what i'm going for one two three word quiz

01:17:58   it's good but it's just like it's a it's a time and attention thing

01:18:03   like can't and won't do everything but there's still stuff that i would like

01:18:07   you know yeah you can you can you can again you can wish for things um like i you know we were

01:18:15   talking earlier about stuff we'd like to see we're not gonna make high phones we're not gonna make

01:18:18   smartphones but I know that there's things I would like different in them. But I'm not gonna make those.

01:18:23   So I think that brings it to the end of the episode Federico.

01:18:28   Now I just wanted to note that before we wrap up that Steven told me his wish is for a better

01:18:35   Remember the Milk client. Just an icon, just a new icon. His whole software play is just a new icon.

01:18:42   He's currently protesting outside of Remember the Milk's head office.

01:18:48   That's why it's not on the show this week.

01:18:50   And then he's going to move over to Todoist and ask them to just give him sorting options on iOS.

01:18:54   That's all he wants. That's all he wants.

01:18:56   You can find our show notes today over at relay.fm/connect/232

01:19:01   thanks to Eero, Luna Display, and Squarespace for their support.

01:19:05   You can find Federico at MacStories.net, AppStories.net as well.

01:19:09   Congratulations on your 100th episode of AppStories.

01:19:12   You can find him, he's @vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, on Twitter and Instagram.

01:19:17   I am I Myke I am Y ke on Twitter and Instagram. Steven is ism H on Twitter and I cannot remember what his Instagram is

01:19:25   Because he lost ism H. It's like Steven and a hacker. I think

01:19:30   Probably but don't search ism H. I was really upset in once please don't do that

01:19:36   We'll be back next time and Steven will be back and he's gonna wrestle control from the of the show back away from us

01:19:45   Until then, say goodbye Federico.

01:19:48   Arrivederci.

01:19:49   Ciao, adios.

01:19:50   I just said both.

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