Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► (upbeat music)

00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 216.

00:00:12 ◼   ► And if you celebrate Halloween, I guess, happy Halloween.

00:00:15 ◼   ► Our show this week is brought to you by Pingdom,

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00:00:19 ◼   ► I'm your host, Stephen Hackett.

00:00:20 ◼   ► I am joined by both of my co-hosts.

00:00:23 ◼   ► I have Myke Hurley here.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Hello, Myke.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Quora tells me that Canadians say, "Hey, how's it?"

00:00:30 ◼   ► So, "Hey, how's it?"

00:00:32 ◼   ► I'm in Canada right now. - How's it?

00:00:33 ◼   ► How's what?

00:00:35 ◼   ► - It. - How's it?

00:00:37 ◼   ► Okay. - How's it?

00:00:38 ◼   ► - And we have freshly off an airplane, Federico Vittucci.

00:00:42 ◼   ► - Hello, people of the internet.

00:00:44 ◼   ► I'm back in Rome and I'm sort of jet-lagged,

00:00:48 ◼   ► but also I feel pretty good I can do the show.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I'm excited to do the show.

00:00:52 ◼   ► I'm happy to be here with you two.

00:00:54 ◼   ► The basic underpinnings of this episode say it should be a disaster, right? I'm on a hotel

00:01:03 ◼   ► wifi in a hotel in Canada. Federico just got off a plane having been in New York for 36

00:01:09 ◼   ► hours. It feels like they said it couldn't be done, but we're going to have a great show.

00:01:14 ◼   ► It doesn't matter, because we're back together again.

00:01:18 ◼   ► You set a bar now that we have to hit in this episode.

00:01:21 ◼   ► I don't think it'll be very difficult.

00:01:23 ◼   ► - I don't think so either.

00:01:24 ◼   ► - I think we should do it.

00:01:25 ◼   ► - BS, we are slowly working our way back to normal

00:01:28 ◼   ► last week's episode.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Was live in New York, Federico you missed that,

00:01:32 ◼   ► but Marco Armit joined us in your stead.

00:01:34 ◼   ► And again, a big thanks to Marco for joining us.

00:01:36 ◼   ► And if you came out to the live connected

00:01:39 ◼   ► or the live upgrade we had in Chicago, thank you so much.

00:01:42 ◼   ► It's always fun to get out and meet people.

00:01:44 ◼   ► It's why we do the live shows.

00:01:46 ◼   ► And it was just a really fun week.

00:01:49 ◼   ► And if you're a Relay FM member, like four seconds ago,

00:01:52 ◼   ► I sent the newsletter and we sort of did a tour recap in there.

00:01:55 ◼   ► You can see some pictures and hear more about our week.

00:01:57 ◼   ► So we plan on doing more of this.

00:02:00 ◼   ► We're already kind of talking about some plans for 2019.

00:02:03 ◼   ► So if you didn't see us this time out on the road, hopefully we can meet in the future.

00:02:08 ◼   ► Catch us next time.

00:02:09 ◼   ► Come to WWDC.

00:02:10 ◼   ► Yes, we will be there.

00:02:13 ◼   ► And we'll be in some other cities probably sometime next year.

00:02:17 ◼   ► Time will tell.

00:02:19 ◼   ► We introduced Marco as Federico's American cousin, but I see a tweet now that makes that

00:02:25 ◼   ► more confusing.

00:02:26 ◼   ► What am I looking at, Federico?

00:02:28 ◼   ► This is a picture of the person we had join us last time.

00:02:32 ◼   ► What is your cousin's name, by the way?

00:02:34 ◼   ► Marcus, because he's of ancient Roman origin.

00:02:41 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:44 ◼   ► Marcus Armenti is his real name.

00:02:49 ◼   ► And he was at the event yesterday actually, my cousin Marcus was at the event.

00:02:54 ◼   ► Wow.

00:02:55 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:02:56 ◼   ► He's really like shot to prominence, just one podcast appearance and now he's getting

00:03:01 ◼   ► invited to Apple events.

00:03:02 ◼   ► He opened his blog, marcus.org, recently.

00:03:08 ◼   ► And you know, first blog post that he had got invited to an Apple event, it was a really

00:03:14 ◼   ► impressive, impressive career path, honestly, for Marcus. He was there, we had

00:03:20 ◼   ► a good time, yeah. Yeah, I complimented him on the on the podcast, you know, being a

00:03:27 ◼   ► first-time guest, I think he did a good job. I think so too.

00:03:30 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. During the live show, I shared some unhappiness with the dark theme in

00:03:38 ◼   ► Mojave, and one of its sort of frustrations, for me at least, is that I

00:03:43 ◼   ► I can't use the light theme with a dark menu bar and dock.

00:03:48 ◼   ► And so I'd asked the audience,

00:03:49 ◼   ► if you've come across a way to do this,

00:03:52 ◼   ► please let me go.

00:03:53 ◼   ► And Connected Listener, John, emailed me and said,

00:03:57 ◼   ► hey, there's this stuff you can do in the terminal,

00:03:59 ◼   ► which Myke is very comfortable with,

00:04:01 ◼   ► to make this happen.

00:04:03 ◼   ► So you can go in here and you basically set a little,

00:04:06 ◼   ► set a preference, a default to right type thing.

00:04:08 ◼   ► - Is it pseudo, kill all something?

00:04:12 ◼   ► - Kill all dock.

00:04:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:14 ◼   ► "Pseudo kill all light."

00:04:15 ◼   ► "Pseudo turn off the lights."

00:04:16 ◼   ► "Pseudo kill all light."

00:04:17 ◼   ► Wow.

00:04:18 ◼   ► "Pseudo kill all happiness."

00:04:19 ◼   ► I think you need a hyphen in there, so it's "Pseudo hyphen kill all light."

00:04:25 ◼   ► You know what?

00:04:26 ◼   ► I forgot the tilde.

00:04:27 ◼   ► That's the problem.

00:04:28 ◼   ► I knew it was going to get me.

00:04:30 ◼   ► Backslash, backslash, kill all duck.

00:04:32 ◼   ► Right?

00:04:33 ◼   ► I think that's basically it.

00:04:35 ◼   ► So just type that directly into your terminal and it'll be fine.

00:04:38 ◼   ► There'll be a link to this.

00:04:39 ◼   ► What's the one that erases everything?

00:04:40 ◼   ► Isn't there like some well-known command that just like destroys everything?

00:04:43 ◼   ► "Suit or die."

00:04:44 ◼   ► It's a...

00:04:45 ◼   ► What?

00:04:46 ◼   ► It's the command.

00:04:48 ◼   ► It's like the Four Horsemen type dealio, just for the Macintosh.

00:04:57 ◼   ► I have not had the opportunity to try this, so I admit that I'm passing this along without

00:05:01 ◼   ► having experienced what it actually does, but my understanding is that it will let you

00:05:06 ◼   ► do the light appearance but with the dark doc and minibar, which I prefer. So go check

00:05:12 ◼   ► that out. That'll be in the show notes. Federico, where are show notes this week?

00:05:16 ◼   ► Somewhere. They're somewhere.

00:05:19 ◼   ► He has no idea what episode number this is.

00:05:23 ◼   ► They're on relay.fm/connected/216 because that would be the episode number.

00:05:30 ◼   ► I could have typed any number into the document and he would have read it. Episode 4200.

00:05:35 ◼   ► I have a basic understanding of our position in the number of shows. I know that it's after

00:05:43 ◼   ► 200, but before 250. So any number there could work in theory.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Anything

00:05:49 ◼   ► But it's 216.

00:05:50 ◼   ► We were recently passed by upgrade in episode numbers because we take the week between Christmas

00:05:55 ◼   ► and New Year's off and Jason does not.

00:05:58 ◼   ► Up and upgrade never sleeps. That's the problem.

00:06:01 ◼   ► And neither does Federico, apparently.

00:06:04 ◼   ► Federico, what did you think of New York City?

00:06:09 ◼   ► I have some thoughts.

00:06:11 ◼   ► So I've only seen Brooklyn.

00:06:14 ◼   ► I'm afraid, of course, I didn't have time.

00:06:17 ◼   ► I really am pleased.

00:06:19 ◼   ► I think that is the best for you.

00:06:20 ◼   ► I don't know if you could have handled Manhattan.

00:06:22 ◼   ► Stephen did not like it.

00:06:23 ◼   ► I don't think you would like it.

00:06:25 ◼   ► So, okay, so let me go ahead.

00:06:28 ◼   ► New York is very cold.

00:06:31 ◼   ► morning of the event. This isn't a general statement. It does get warm there too. Just

00:06:35 ◼   ► so you know, I don't want you to think that it's just like an arctic wasteland. At this

00:06:39 ◼   ► time of the year, on the 30th of October, it was very cold compared to the 30th of October

00:06:46 ◼   ► in Rome. It was like 10 degrees Celsius, less than Rome. And I don't want to say that I

00:06:54 ◼   ► was freezing, but it was very cold. It's been cold. It's been cold for sure. It was cold

00:06:58 ◼   ► So something that I noticed immediately is that people, I think,

00:07:04 ◼   ► traffic in Rome gets a bad rap. People in New York, they waited the drive,

00:07:11 ◼   ► they're basically honking all the time.

00:07:14 ◼   ► It's effectively like the honking powers the vehicles.

00:07:18 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:19 ◼   ► I don't understand it.

00:07:21 ◼   ► Like the first five minutes I was thinking, well, maybe there's some problem.

00:07:25 ◼   ► There's, I don't know, like an accident ahead or somebody driving in a funny way and everybody's

00:07:31 ◼   ► honking at this person or something. But then I realized, no, everybody does it all the

00:07:36 ◼   ► time. And it's really like, it makes you nervous because you always fear that something's about

00:07:43 ◼   ► to happen. And so I asked and a few people told me that it used to be worse, like in

00:07:49 ◼   ► the late 80s or something. And I don't know if this is true or not, but somebody, I think

00:07:54 ◼   ► Casey maybe told me that regulations were passed so that people would hunk less, like

00:08:02 ◼   ► there's fines or something if you hunk without an actual reason. Still, even with these regulations,

00:08:10 ◼   ► if they exist, I'm not sure, people hunk all the time. And everybody like... It feels

00:08:18 ◼   ► like there's road work everywhere and it's quite dirty, at least the area of Brooklyn

00:08:25 ◼   ► where I was. People honking all the time and everybody seems very nervous and constantly

00:08:31 ◼   ► in a hurry. Like, I didn't get any chill vibes from Brooklyn.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Yeah, see that's funny because Brooklyn is the chill area.

00:08:42 ◼   ► Okay, so I can only imagine how Manhattan is gonna be.

00:08:46 ◼   ► I'm happy that you did not go to Manhattan on your own.

00:08:49 ◼   ► I don't think that you would like it without someone that could like show you around and

00:08:54 ◼   ► show you why it's a cool place.

00:08:55 ◼   ► I would probably create a horror attack by myself.

00:08:58 ◼   ► I'm happy that you were in Brooklyn.

00:08:59 ◼   ► I think that that was for the best.

00:09:02 ◼   ► So yeah, my impression- Did you eat any emoji?

00:09:05 ◼   ► Did you see any?

00:09:06 ◼   ► Did you like gobble on any emoji while you were there?

00:09:08 ◼   ► Like munch munch munch?

00:09:09 ◼   ► No.

00:09:10 ◼   ► No, no, nothing.

00:09:11 ◼   ► nothing. I brought food supplies with me because I knew that the evening that I arrived, we

00:09:21 ◼   ► had a meetup with Jason scheduled at seven. And I knew that I didn't want to go grab something

00:09:27 ◼   ► for dinner by myself in Brooklyn. And so I just brought some snacks with me. And the

00:09:35 ◼   ► following day I had the apple breakfast. I had a breakfast burrito, which was surprisingly

00:09:41 ◼   ► good, like a mini burrito for breakfast, that it was fine, really.

00:09:47 ◼   ► No, it was good. This just continues your love affair with Mexican food.

00:09:51 ◼   ► Yes, and Apple had set up, I think, a taqueria in front of the opera house.

00:09:57 ◼   ► Yes, Jason was telling me about this. They basically just hired out a Mexican restaurant

00:10:02 ◼   ► for the day. Yes, and it was very nice. It was very nice.

00:10:04 ◼   ► I had a taco, I think huevos con carne. It was very good.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Yeah, it was very good

00:10:11 ◼   ► So I didn't have any bagels didn't have any New York pizza and then at lunch

00:10:15 ◼   ► I was hanging with Casey and we just found a Shake Shack nearby and we just ate a burger

00:10:22 ◼   ► But I didn't get the shake. I didn't get the shake. That's okay. It's okay

00:10:25 ◼   ► The shakes are good. I think the burgers are the best part of Shake Shack. Oh, yeah, it was it was really delicious

00:10:31 ◼   ► Well, you did you did at least one New York thing you ate shake. That's a New York thing

00:10:36 ◼   ► Yeah, there is a literal like shack which was the first Shake Shack in I think Washington Square Park

00:10:42 ◼   ► Which is still there. So that is a New York native meal. So you did that at least

00:10:47 ◼   ► Okay. I want to show you Manhattan one day one day we're gonna do it. I want you to see it

00:10:52 ◼   ► Stephen didn't like it, but and I don't think you'll like it, but I still want to show you it anyway

00:10:58 ◼   ► I feel like I need to be in an extremely relaxed mood

00:11:03 ◼   ► if I were to visit Manhattan. Like, I didn't help that I was in a hurry, tired,

00:11:09 ◼   ► doing this crazy thing of 36 hours by myself.

00:11:13 ◼   ► Yes, that was the problem. Here's the thing though, right, there's a difference between you and Stephen though,

00:11:17 ◼   ► is you're used to Rome, like the center of Rome, and I stand by that the center of Rome feels more busy than Manhattan does.

00:11:24 ◼   ► I think it feels busy in a different way though, I feel like...

00:11:28 ◼   ► It's because there's no space to walk or drive in Rome, and there is space in New York, and that's the difference.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Judging from the pictures that I've seen, I think, because I know myself, I think all

00:11:40 ◼   ► the skyscrapers and the tall buildings kind of make me nervous and anxious.

00:11:44 ◼   ► They like trap you in?

00:11:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Whereas the monuments and the fountains and the ancient stuff in Rome.

00:11:50 ◼   ► They're all falling down, you can see through them.

00:11:53 ◼   ► I think it makes, like, there's a combination of crazy traffic, but also this nostalgia,

00:11:59 ◼   ► beauty at the center of Rome that sort of counterbalances the traffic and the

00:12:04 ◼   ► messiness of people. I don't know what I'm gonna feel in Manhattan with the tall

00:12:12 ◼   ► buildings and the honking and the taxis and all the advertisements.

00:12:16 ◼   ► Like, I feel like, you know, those billboards with the animated graphics

00:12:21 ◼   ► and pictures everywhere. I don't know how I'm gonna react to that, but I

00:12:26 ◼   ► but I want to see it someday.

00:12:28 ◼   ► - Steven, what is your review of Manhattan?

00:12:30 ◼   ► - Thumbs down.

00:12:32 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:12:35 ◼   ► - I mean, I shared it with you when we were there.

00:12:37 ◼   ► It's just way too busy for me.

00:12:39 ◼   ► And I understand it's like, that is the,

00:12:41 ◼   ► there are people who thrive on that,

00:12:44 ◼   ► and I can see that and I can understand it,

00:12:46 ◼   ► but it's just not for me.

00:12:48 ◼   ► I mean, I'm a homebody, I live in a pretty small city.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Like, it's just really different.

00:12:54 ◼   ► And you know, I didn't, like in London,

00:12:57 ◼   ► London is busy and crazy too,

00:12:59 ◼   ► but Manhattan just feels like that,

00:13:00 ◼   ► like in an aggressive way that I didn't anticipate.

00:13:03 ◼   ► I had a nice time, we did a bunch of sightseeing,

00:13:05 ◼   ► we had the show, like I enjoyed my time there,

00:13:08 ◼   ► but it's not a place that I would go

00:13:11 ◼   ► like on vacation or anything.

00:13:12 ◼   ► - So I wanna balance this out,

00:13:14 ◼   ► just to say that I absolutely adore New York.

00:13:16 ◼   ► I love Manhattan.

00:13:18 ◼   ► It feels like home to me when I'm there,

00:13:20 ◼   ► and I would move to Manhattan and or New York

00:13:23 ◼   ► in a home. Oh my God. Oh my God.

00:13:25 ◼   ► What can I say? I love it. I love it there.

00:13:27 ◼   ► It's the one city in the world other than London that I feel like I understand.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Like I can just walk out into the street at any time a day and just like make it work.

00:13:37 ◼   ► Like it's great. I love it.

00:13:39 ◼   ► Everything is just a block away.

00:13:40 ◼   ► There's always something just it's great.

00:13:42 ◼   ► I love I absolutely love Manhattan. I love New York.

00:13:44 ◼   ► So there is our balance for this episode.

00:13:48 ◼   ► And we should I mean, honestly, we should probably

00:13:51 ◼   ► just talk about this for the next 90 minutes because I think it's interesting,

00:13:55 ◼   ► but probably people were here to hear us talk about new Macs and iPads.

00:13:59 ◼   ► So we should probably get to that, right?

00:14:01 ◼   ► I would expect. Should we do that?

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00:15:23 ◼   ► Okay, so we're going to dive into products. This was all about

00:15:28 ◼   ► products, except for the weird part about the Apple store in the middle. Before we do that,

00:15:34 ◼   ► I wanted to ask you guys something. I haven't watched the keynote a second time. We're recording

00:15:39 ◼   ► early today and normally if we do this I try to slice in like a second viewing but it seems

00:15:46 ◼   ► like Tim Cook was just very excited about everything like he had way too much coffee

00:15:51 ◼   ► like here's the thing I think Tim really enjoyed the cheering and this is not a thing that

00:15:56 ◼   ► I understand it right but like I think the crowd and you can attest to this Federico

00:16:02 ◼   ► seemed very excited for the entire time.

00:16:05 ◼   ► There were a lot of Apple Store employees, I think, with the blue t-shirts.

00:16:12 ◼   ► And Tim was constantly looking up because there was like a second level, sort of a balcony-type

00:16:16 ◼   ► setup in the theater.

00:16:18 ◼   ► And there were a lot of employees there.

00:16:20 ◼   ► And so I think he really enjoyed the cheering that was going on.

00:16:23 ◼   ► So I think that he was like feeding on that, I think.

00:16:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:28 ◼   ► It's always strange to me, like, this is a press event.

00:16:30 ◼   ► And that's how I think about it, because like our friends in the press are there.

00:16:33 ◼   ► It does seem like Apple has employees, they have retail employees, you know, at least

00:16:37 ◼   ► there yesterday.

00:16:38 ◼   ► And so the cheering was sort of distracting, honestly.

00:16:41 ◼   ► And like I find it a little off-putting because it's like this is a press event.

00:16:46 ◼   ► Press most of the time aren't cheering for things.

00:16:48 ◼   ► They're there to work.

00:16:49 ◼   ► It's just sort of a surreal thing for me.

00:16:51 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:16:52 ◼   ► Maybe I'm old.

00:16:53 ◼   ► Federico, did you cheer anything?

00:16:55 ◼   ► I, yes, I did for the iPad Pro.

00:17:02 ◼   ► for Lana DeRay because I love her. And so she's awesome. And I was really happy that

00:17:07 ◼   ► I also got a free musical performance out of the event, which was very nice.

00:17:11 ◼   ► I thought we'd moved past the age of musical performances. There hasn't been one in a long

00:17:15 ◼   ► time. Yeah, me too.

00:17:16 ◼   ► But I guess the venue that they were in kind of demanded it, you know, like they were in

00:17:21 ◼   ► like an opera house, like, come on, you've got to have some you're in the Brooklyn Academy

00:17:25 ◼   ► of Music. You kind of got to do it. And I think it's cool that they did.

00:17:31 ◼   ► We are going to talk about some Mac products today.

00:17:33 ◼   ► We're going to go in the order Apple went in.

00:17:37 ◼   ► That means starting with the MacBook Air.

00:17:39 ◼   ► There have been lots of conversation about the low end of the Mac lineup and there's

00:17:45 ◼   ► going to be a new consumer laptop and they didn't really do that.

00:17:49 ◼   ► They took the MacBook Air and made it new again.

00:17:53 ◼   ► Real quickly, it is the same wedge design but in a smaller package because it has smaller

00:17:58 ◼   ► bezels.

00:17:59 ◼   ► thick silver aluminum bezels are gone. The air, of course, the highlight here is a

00:18:06 ◼   ► Retina display. It is a little bit less bright than the MacBook Pro. There's no

00:18:12 ◼   ► P3, so none of that wide color gamut stuff. No true tone, but it's

00:18:17 ◼   ► Retina. Honestly that's... Oh I didn't know it didn't have the wide color. It does not.

00:18:21 ◼   ► Huh, okay. Which is fine. It's still better... It kind of tricked me because...

00:18:28 ◼   ► I'm sure that's why they did it. Not to trick, but just to make... because I think they said

00:18:32 ◼   ► something like 40% more color or something. Yeah, they did say more color, yeah.

00:18:36 ◼   ► Yeah, but not all the color to get to the wide color gamut. Which again, I think is

00:18:41 ◼   ► fine. Like, totally fine. Two Thunderbolt 3 ports, the SD card slot and USB-A ports have

00:18:46 ◼   ► been banished. It has Touch ID without a touch bar, which may be the most interesting thing

00:18:51 ◼   ► to me on this computer. Let me ask you a question, because I'm sure you've already mined the

00:18:56 ◼   ► Yes. That is where the power button used to be and the key is blank so how do you

00:19:02 ◼   ► turn this laptop on? You push it, that button pushes down, same as the Touchbar

00:19:07 ◼   ► machines. It's, I was gonna say, I was about to say it's weird that they didn't print

00:19:10 ◼   ► anything on it, I'm assuming they can't, I bet they can't print on it, right? So that

00:19:14 ◼   ► Touch ID thing is like you pried it off my Touchbar MacBook Pro and stuck it on

00:19:17 ◼   ► a MacBook Air, it looks the same, it acts the same. Yeah. So is on the Touch ID one

00:19:23 ◼   ► that's also the power button, it's just a blank key. Yes. It actually is a button it depresses

00:19:27 ◼   ► to do the power stuff so it doesn't look like it would but it does it does press

00:19:31 ◼   ► down that's a good question because like which means that like every time someone

00:19:34 ◼   ► uses touch ID they accidentally press the button I'm sure that you know you

00:19:38 ◼   ► say you just rest your finger on it like how strong are your index finger muscles

00:19:41 ◼   ► what are you doing? Very. You wouldn't even believe I have no control over them. Very

00:19:45 ◼   ► strong. It has the t2 chip that we saw in the iMac Pro and the MacBook Pro and

00:19:51 ◼   ► And it's doing all of its T2 type stuff.

00:19:54 ◼   ► So it's doing the secure boot process stuff.

00:19:58 ◼   ► It is managing the SSDs.

00:20:00 ◼   ► It is keeping your FaceTime camera safe.

00:20:03 ◼   ► This does mean that this has super fast SSD performance.

00:20:06 ◼   ► That seems to be kind of where Apple's going.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Marco said that on last week's Connected.

00:20:10 ◼   ► That would make him happy if all Macs

00:20:12 ◼   ► moved to the T2 sort of world,

00:20:14 ◼   ► and it seems like that's happening.

00:20:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, if this one got it, they're all gonna get it.

00:20:18 ◼   ► Right, 'cause this is-- - Yes, the bottom of the line.

00:20:21 ◼   ► in theory. And what's pretty cool is Apple is making the cases for the Retina MacBook

00:20:28 ◼   ► Air out of aluminum that is salvaged during the construction process of the iPad Pro.

00:20:35 ◼   ► You said something very hurtful and upgrade yesterday that I need to address. I just think

00:20:39 ◼   ► it's hilarious. Okay, go on. You, I believe, I don't have the quote in front of me, but

00:20:45 ◼   ► said it was the perfect metaphor that Macs were being built out of the

00:20:51 ◼   ► shavings of iOS devices. I think it is a beautiful

00:20:56 ◼   ► metaphor that says absolutely everything you need to know about the

00:21:01 ◼   ► products that Apple sells. Like they sell so many more iOS devices they are

00:21:06 ◼   ► literally making... It's just the iPad. That's what they said for now.

00:21:10 ◼   ► They sell so many more iPads. They just mentioned it. My expectation is it's

00:21:18 ◼   ► also iPhones but like they just haven't spoken about it because they just said

00:21:21 ◼   ► that like oh and during because they didn't talk about the iPhone like they

00:21:25 ◼   ► can't be selling that many of this iPad or making of that many of this iPad that

00:21:29 ◼   ► they could use just the sharings of this iPad to make all these maxes they're

00:21:32 ◼   ► all coming out at the same time like how could they have done that right? Maybe

00:21:36 ◼   ► they've been like sweeping up for a while. I expect it's like it is all

00:21:40 ◼   ► aluminium that is being used in iOS devices, it's just being collected up.

00:21:44 ◼   ► I'm sure it is. I just wanted to share my...

00:21:46 ◼   ► It is funny to me. I'm sorry, like it's funny, right? Like it is funny, it's kind of just like, it's a very cool thing that they're doing,

00:21:53 ◼   ► but it's like that it shows the misbalance of iOS devices to Max now.

00:21:59 ◼   ► That iOS devices are so much smaller than Max, but they make so many of them

00:22:03 ◼   ► disproportionately, that they can use the literal shavings to make the bodies of

00:22:07 ◼   ► of the other products. It's funny to me.

00:22:10 ◼   ► It's super cool though, right? Like they're not having...

00:22:12 ◼   ► It's amazing! It's amazing. Like, this is a real step forward. Like, okay, it was either

00:22:19 ◼   ► this or you had to stop using aluminium, like in the long run, right? Because it was bad

00:22:23 ◼   ► for the environment. This is awesome. I mean, of course the problem is they're still doing

00:22:27 ◼   ► it for the iPhones, but they're at least having some benefit out of the process, that they're

00:22:32 ◼   ► able to make other products out of recycled aluminium. I hope that at some point that

00:22:37 ◼   ► they can try and push some of this into the iPhone line as well so they become

00:22:40 ◼   ► partly recycled right like you make one and then you use the shavings of that

00:22:44 ◼   ► one for the next one like that kind of thing you know I would hope that they

00:22:47 ◼   ► can try and make this more of like a sustaining thing going into the future

00:22:51 ◼   ► it'd be cool and it seems like you would never know this like in your mind you

00:22:55 ◼   ► may be picturing like those bouncy balls that they make out of recycled rubber so

00:23:00 ◼   ► it's like all different color bouncy ball stuff together right like that's

00:23:04 ◼   ► That's what I would love though. I would absolutely love to have a MacBook made out of the shavings

00:23:10 ◼   ► of iPhone XR aluminum.

00:23:11 ◼   ► That would look crazy.

00:23:13 ◼   ► How cool would that look? It would look incredible.

00:23:16 ◼   ► It would look like your iOS home screen.

00:23:18 ◼   ► It would. No, my home screen is pretty chill right now. At least the photo anyway.

00:23:23 ◼   ► I believe Greg called it unicorn vomit once on Cortex.

00:23:26 ◼   ► I think it was clown vomit.

00:23:27 ◼   ► Clown vomit.

00:23:28 ◼   ► But yeah, one or the other.

00:23:29 ◼   ► Unicorn Ada clown and out came your home screen. Anyways, so this is by all

00:23:36 ◼   ► appearances a new MacBook Air. It's the design that people liked so much. Oh Federico, did you see one? I saw one. I

00:23:45 ◼   ► honestly didn't even bother to touch it.

00:23:48 ◼   ► I took a picture of it. Looked, it looked alright.

00:23:52 ◼   ► But I went to check out the Mac Mini because I was more interested in that. We'll talk about that in a bit.

00:23:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, so it's 2.75 pounds, which is like,

00:24:03 ◼   ► getting closer and closer to MacBook territory,

00:24:06 ◼   ► which we could talk about the relationship

00:24:08 ◼   ► between these machines.

00:24:09 ◼   ► Pricing, just briefly, it starts at $1,199

00:24:14 ◼   ► for a dual core i5.

00:24:16 ◼   ► You can go up to 16 gigabytes of RAM

00:24:21 ◼   ► and up to 1.5 terabytes with, again, all SSD storage.

00:24:27 ◼   ► There's been some conversation around the CPU.

00:24:31 ◼   ► So this is a 1.6 gigahertz core i5, what they call it.

00:24:36 ◼   ► It's dual core.

00:24:40 ◼   ► It turbos up to 3.6 gigahertz.

00:24:43 ◼   ► - Turbo. - Turbo.

00:24:44 ◼   ► It seems like this is a processor

00:24:48 ◼   ► that is more closely related

00:24:50 ◼   ► to what is in the 12 inch MacBook

00:24:52 ◼   ► than what was in the old Air

00:24:54 ◼   ► and what is currently in the two port MacBook Pro,

00:24:59 ◼   ► which I would have bet money would have gone away

00:25:02 ◼   ► after this machine came out,

00:25:03 ◼   ► but it seems like this MacBook Air is going to be closer

00:25:07 ◼   ► to the MacBook in terms of performance.

00:25:10 ◼   ► I don't wanna go too far into this

00:25:11 ◼   ► because these things have not been reviewed

00:25:14 ◼   ► by people we trust.

00:25:15 ◼   ► They have not been benchmarked by people we trust.

00:25:18 ◼   ► The clock speed says it should be noticeably faster

00:25:21 ◼   ► than the 12 inch MacBook,

00:25:23 ◼   ► but it's not going to be as flexible of a machine,

00:25:27 ◼   ► performance-wise, as the old MacBook Air was in its day.

00:25:31 ◼   ► And so I think some people are upset about that.

00:25:33 ◼   ► I think that's understandable.

00:25:34 ◼   ► I wanna hold judgment, I wrote this this morning on 5/12,

00:25:38 ◼   ► I wanna reserve judgment until we see

00:25:41 ◼   ► what this machine is like in the real world.

00:25:43 ◼   ► You know, you're getting two Thunderbolt ports,

00:25:46 ◼   ► you're getting 12-hour battery life,

00:25:47 ◼   ► it's in a fanless design.

00:25:49 ◼   ► This seems like it could be a really great

00:25:51 ◼   ► consumer notebook and

00:25:53 ◼   ► That it's fine if it can't do Final Cut like this is not what this machine is for so I think people who are like

00:25:59 ◼   ► Really upset about this maybe need to take a breath

00:26:03 ◼   ► Let's see how it actually performs and then we can talk about it when we know more I

00:26:09 ◼   ► don't think that it's fine if it can't do Final Cut like

00:26:15 ◼   ► The MacBook Air was such an important machine for me and it was where I started doing all of my stuff, right?

00:26:22 ◼   ► Like I think it would be a shame if it can't handle that stuff better than the MacBook can I?

00:26:27 ◼   ► Think it would be a shame because it's more expensive than the MacBook right? Like it feels like it fits in the line

00:26:34 ◼   ► I think I think it would be a shame honestly like but but at the same time

00:26:39 ◼   ► I don't really have a dog in this fight. I think that this looks like a mighty fine computer for most people

00:26:45 ◼   ► And I think that for most instances it would be really great, right? Like it looks really cool, right?

00:26:50 ◼   ► Like it's got a lot of cool stuff in it, especially Touch ID I think is awesome

00:26:53 ◼   ► But I think it would be a shame if it if it handles the pro apps as bad as the MacBook does because it's not good

00:27:01 ◼   ► Yeah, no

00:27:01 ◼   ► The MacBook is not good for that one difference though between now and then is that you can get a MacBook Pro

00:27:07 ◼   ► with a

00:27:10 ◼   ► Higher wattage CPU which means it can run hotter and run hotter longer

00:27:15 ◼   ► for 100 more dollars.

00:27:17 ◼   ► So like in the day when you were starting out,

00:27:20 ◼   ► to go from a MacBook Air to a MacBook Pro was--

00:27:23 ◼   ► - Would have been a lot more money, yeah.

00:27:25 ◼   ► - At least more than $100.

00:27:27 ◼   ► I still feel like Apple didn't really clear up

00:27:32 ◼   ► their product line.

00:27:33 ◼   ► Like if anything, it's more confusing now.

00:27:35 ◼   ► - So I have a tweet here from a guy called Jamie West,

00:27:39 ◼   ► sent it to you.

00:27:41 ◼   ► This is the current like offerings from Apple.

00:27:43 ◼   ► MacBook, MacBook Air previous generation, current generation MacBook Air, MacBook Pro

00:27:48 ◼   ► 13 inch without touch bar, MacBook Pro 13 inch and MacBook Pro 15 inch.

00:27:54 ◼   ► And Jamie asked you Steven, is this the most laptops Apple has ever offered at one time?

00:28:00 ◼   ► It's pretty close.

00:28:02 ◼   ► So like in the G4 days you had the 12 and 14 inch iBook.

00:28:06 ◼   ► Then you had the 12, 15 and 17 inch PowerBook.

00:28:10 ◼   ► This is the most, as far as I can think of, that we've had.

00:28:15 ◼   ► For a while, Apple had the MacBook Air and the MacBook

00:28:19 ◼   ► and then the MacBook Pros,

00:28:21 ◼   ► but there were fewer size options.

00:28:23 ◼   ► So it is confusing.

00:28:25 ◼   ► The thing I always talk about is if you have $1,100, $1,200

00:28:29 ◼   ► and you walk into a store, what do you buy?

00:28:31 ◼   ► That's more confusing now.

00:28:33 ◼   ► And what I was really hoping for

00:28:36 ◼   ► is that there'd be a really clear answer.

00:28:38 ◼   ► and say, "Hey, if you're going off to college,

00:28:40 ◼   ► "your kid's going off to school, whatever,

00:28:43 ◼   ► "you just need a notebook, what do you buy?

00:28:45 ◼   ► "Like, what Mac do you buy?"

00:28:47 ◼   ► I really want the MacBook Air today,

00:28:50 ◼   ► this new MacBook Air, to be the default answer.

00:28:52 ◼   ► I think it probably still will be,

00:28:55 ◼   ► again, depending on where those benchmarks end up.

00:28:57 ◼   ► If this thing is only 5% faster than the MacBook,

00:29:01 ◼   ► then like, what's the MacBook doing?

00:29:03 ◼   ► The MacBook has one fewer port, the port is less useful,

00:29:06 ◼   ► It only weighs what, like .7 pounds less?

00:29:09 ◼   ► Like, why does that machine exist?

00:29:11 ◼   ► Why isn't this the thin end light?

00:29:13 ◼   ► So, they're still just like, the waters are still muddy.

00:29:17 ◼   ► But I'm glad this machine is here because it does,

00:29:20 ◼   ► I think it does show that Apple is paying attention

00:29:22 ◼   ► to this market.

00:29:23 ◼   ► I just think that they haven't quite gotten all the way

00:29:26 ◼   ► where I think a lot of us would like for them to be.

00:29:28 ◼   ► - I think the price is the hardest part though.

00:29:31 ◼   ► Like it coming in at $1,200 I think is difficult.

00:29:36 ◼   ► I think that's the difficult thing.

00:29:38 ◼   ► And I think that it's not going to help the people

00:29:43 ◼   ► that didn't know what to do before.

00:29:44 ◼   ► Like, you know, this, and I think this is why

00:29:47 ◼   ► the existing MacBook Air still exists at $999

00:29:50 ◼   ► because people want that price point

00:29:53 ◼   ► and this machine should have replaced the 999,

00:29:57 ◼   ► but it hasn't.

00:29:58 ◼   ► And I can see why.

00:30:00 ◼   ► like the technology says it's a mate, you know,

00:30:02 ◼   ► I can see why it's there.

00:30:04 ◼   ► But I really feel like that price point

00:30:06 ◼   ► should have been the thing that they were trying to hit first.

00:30:10 ◼   ► - And I guess you could leave things out

00:30:11 ◼   ► like the T2 and the Touch ID,

00:30:13 ◼   ► and my guess is then you have a $999 laptop in Apple land.

00:30:18 ◼   ► But if Apple is going to take the time

00:30:22 ◼   ► to revise this notebook,

00:30:25 ◼   ► and they didn't put this stuff in,

00:30:27 ◼   ► then like, then it's behind again,

00:30:29 ◼   ► in only a couple of years.

00:30:32 ◼   ► - Sure, sure.

00:30:33 ◼   ► - So today where we are, my hope moving forward is

00:30:37 ◼   ► that in the next year or 18 months,

00:30:40 ◼   ► Apple can bring the price of the Air down

00:30:45 ◼   ► even to like $1,099, like even $100 less

00:30:49 ◼   ► is a big deal in this market,

00:30:51 ◼   ► and then kill the $999 MacBook Air.

00:30:54 ◼   ► Because it's a $200 gap, I understand why it's still there,

00:30:58 ◼   ► but if they can drop it a hundred bucks,

00:31:00 ◼   ► get rid of the old one, that's a better situation

00:31:03 ◼   ► than where we are now, I think.

00:31:05 ◼   ► - Yep, I agree.

00:31:06 ◼   ► This is a good machine, I just think that there are

00:31:11 ◼   ► questions about this machine,

00:31:13 ◼   ► which there isn't for any of the other stuff, really.

00:31:16 ◼   ► I think everything else that they announced

00:31:18 ◼   ► was pretty much at the home run, but not this one.

00:31:23 ◼   ► - So yeah. - It's close.

00:31:24 ◼   ► - You know, if I had someone in my life

00:31:26 ◼   ► looking for a notebook,

00:31:27 ◼   ► I think this is what I would tell them,

00:31:29 ◼   ► because it seems to be the best balance

00:31:32 ◼   ► between performance and size.

00:31:34 ◼   ► Again, not knowing the full benchmark story.

00:31:37 ◼   ► But I would definitely,

00:31:38 ◼   ► if someone's looking at a 12 inch MacBook or this,

00:31:40 ◼   ► I 100% would recommend this.

00:31:43 ◼   ► It's not that much bigger.

00:31:45 ◼   ► You get two ports, it will be faster,

00:31:48 ◼   ► and the disk access will be way faster than on the MacBook.

00:31:52 ◼   ► To me, increasingly, the more I think about this,

00:31:55 ◼   ► I just don't know why the MacBook is still around.

00:31:57 ◼   ► I've really, at its price point and its performance, I just don't quite get it.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Yeah this was my only takeaway from this segment of the event. Like, I don't

00:32:08 ◼   ► understand what's the role of the MacBook at this point. It seems like this

00:32:13 ◼   ► is the basic computer that, unless you want to buy a MacBook Pro, this is

00:32:18 ◼   ► the one you should get. I don't understand why you would be interested

00:32:22 ◼   ► in the MacBook at this point. It sort of feels like a repeat of the situation

00:32:27 ◼   ► that used to be like years ago, we used to have the MacBook and the MacBook Air,

00:32:32 ◼   ► like the previous generation MacBook.

00:32:34 ◼   ► And then Apple simplified the product line, if I'm not mistaken.

00:32:37 ◼   ► And we only had the MacBook Air, which was the, you know, the one that I bought

00:32:41 ◼   ► and that I used for many, many years, the 2011 version.

00:32:44 ◼   ► The greatest Mac that Apple's ever made.

00:32:46 ◼   ► It's just so incredible, right?

00:32:49 ◼   ► Like, I love that computer.

00:32:50 ◼   ► I love that computer. It was great.

00:32:52 ◼   ► And then they reintroduced the MacBook in 2015.

00:32:58 ◼   ► And it feels like we're hitting that point again

00:33:00 ◼   ► of over a complicated product line

00:33:02 ◼   ► and we need to bring back simplification.

00:33:05 ◼   ► It's just confusing why we have two similar computers

00:33:09 ◼   ► and one is better now, but the other is still around.

00:33:13 ◼   ► I don't get it.

00:33:14 ◼   ► So I'm not in the market for a MacBook Air,

00:33:18 ◼   ► but it looks like a fine computer.

00:33:20 ◼   ► I'm interested if only from a conceptual standpoint in the benchmarks, because I think Myke makes

00:33:27 ◼   ► a great point about, you know, even if this is your, the computer that you want to start

00:33:32 ◼   ► with and you're going off to college, I think it's important that you're able to run these

00:33:36 ◼   ► pro apps for, you know, creative uses.

00:33:39 ◼   ► Because I can relate to the idea of first Mac, first time I'm starting to play with

00:33:45 ◼   ► something creative that maybe in the future could become my job, maybe.

00:33:49 ◼   ► So yeah, we'll see what the benchmarks are like.

00:33:53 ◼   ► And it really doesn't need to run them well,

00:33:55 ◼   ► but it needs to be able to do things like the MacBook comp,

00:33:57 ◼   ► which is like if I'm rendering in Final Cut

00:34:03 ◼   ► and plugged in the battery drains.

00:34:05 ◼   ► Like that was a problem that I had with the MacBook.

00:34:08 ◼   ► I understand what's going on here,

00:34:10 ◼   ► but that shouldn't be happening.

00:34:11 ◼   ► So we'll see, I guess.

00:34:14 ◼   ► We'll see.

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00:35:53 ◼   ► Alright it's here, it's real, the Mac Mini is alive.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Can't believe it.

00:36:02 ◼   ► Even though I knew it was going to happen, I can't believe that it's happened.

00:36:06 ◼   ► It's great, they had a great video, they were making fun of it which I enjoyed right?

00:36:11 ◼   ► Very good.

00:36:12 ◼   ► The video was amazing.

00:36:13 ◼   ► So Federico, I think we should start with you.

00:36:17 ◼   ► How excited are you about this machine?

00:36:19 ◼   ► Because I know, I don't know if we've mentioned,

00:36:21 ◼   ► we did mention this on the show that like,

00:36:23 ◼   ► you need a new computer

00:36:25 ◼   ► and you were kind of waiting for this.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Yes. I'm very excited.

00:36:31 ◼   ► I just discussed this with Silvia and we're gonna do it.

00:36:34 ◼   ► I'm going to buy a Mac Mini

00:36:37 ◼   ► for a variety of reasons.

00:36:39 ◼   ► So, earlier this year, our Synology home server died a very ugly death, and we realized that

00:36:49 ◼   ► we, you know, just a few weeks were needed to realize that we needed to find an alternative

00:36:56 ◼   ► to our home server because we really like using Plex and sort of having a backup space

00:37:03 ◼   ► for all of our stuff, essentially.

00:37:06 ◼   ► Second factor, I realized that I don't really need a portable Mac computer myself, because

00:37:16 ◼   ► when I'm at home and I'm doing podcasts, I could use a desktop Mac.

00:37:21 ◼   ► And if I'm traveling, I can just use Sylvia's MacBook Pro.

00:37:24 ◼   ► So there's really no need for me to have a portable MacBook.

00:37:28 ◼   ► We're in the process of buying new furniture and changing a few things in our apartment,

00:37:35 ◼   ► because we wanted to try something new, you know, try a different layout, buy a bunch

00:37:38 ◼   ► of new stuff. And one of my wishes was I want to get a new desk. I want to get, like, a

00:37:44 ◼   ► slightly bigger desk and I want to have, like, a different setup, more, you know, more elegant

00:37:50 ◼   ► cable management, for example. I would like to have, ideally, a bigger display. And so

00:37:56 ◼   ► we sort of, uh, I proposed the idea of what if I, what if Apple announces on Mac Mini

00:38:03 ◼   ► this was like the summer. I was talking to Silvio and I was like "what if Apple announces Mac Mini?"

00:38:08 ◼   ► and I could probably end up with a new desk, a new 4K display and a Mac Mini and everything would

00:38:13 ◼   ► be nice and neat and you know cable management downright and I could sell my MacBook Pro.

00:38:19 ◼   ► And so I came into this event hoping that Apple would actually also announce their own display,

00:38:25 ◼   ► but Apple is not doing that which is fine I'm gonna buy a display from somebody else so

00:38:31 ◼   ► I'm gonna buy a Mac Mini. I'm still not sure what configuration I want to get.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Ideally I would like to future-proof this machine as much as possible.

00:38:37 ◼   ► I think you're gonna have to, right?

00:38:38 ◼   ► So we can talk about that.

00:38:39 ◼   ► I don't think I'm gonna update this again very soon.

00:38:42 ◼   ► I'm in the market for 4K or 5K display recommendations.

00:38:49 ◼   ► Ideally I wouldn't want to get the LG one,

00:38:53 ◼   ► because I think it looks really ugly with the black plastic around it.

00:38:56 ◼   ► I don't think you're gonna find anything nicer.

00:38:59 ◼   ► I know, but if anybody has recommendations for a nice 4K or 5K display that looks nicer

00:39:06 ◼   ► than the LG one...

00:39:07 ◼   ► I want you, if you're starting to look for like decent stuff in the 4K, 5K range, they

00:39:12 ◼   ► end up becoming gaming monitors, which have all kinds of garishness.

00:39:17 ◼   ► Nah, there's plenty of Dell stuff out there.

00:39:20 ◼   ► It's way better than it used to be.

00:39:21 ◼   ► Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

00:39:24 ◼   ► So, my requirements are, if it's a gaming monitor and it supports the high refresh rates,

00:39:32 ◼   ► that's fine, I actually kind of like that.

00:39:34 ◼   ► It needs to work with the Mac Mini of course, and it also needs to work with the new iPad Pros.

00:39:40 ◼   ► So I would like to have a single display that I can use with my Mac Mini and I can use with my iPad Pro.

00:39:46 ◼   ► So that was the dream and we're gonna do it.

00:39:49 ◼   ► So I'm really happy that there's a new Mac Mini because it means I can simplify and I can actually rethink my entire desk setup with this new machine.

00:39:58 ◼   ► So Steven, what is this Mac Mini?

00:40:00 ◼   ► Well, it's for pros because it's Space Gray.

00:40:04 ◼   ► Hey, I'm a pro.

00:40:06 ◼   ► You are a pro.

00:40:07 ◼   ► I do podcasting. Why would you lead your sentence with that? Like, well, it's for pros.

00:40:14 ◼   ► Because I think that Apple saying Space Gray is for pros is stupid.

00:40:18 ◼   ► But whatever. Well, I'm pro. You are a pro. Well, the Mac Mini comes, sorry, the MacBook

00:40:25 ◼   ► Air comes in Space Gray too. Yeah, it's a pro as long as you just use pages and Keynote.

00:40:29 ◼   ► You'll be fine. It's a professional web browsing machine. Chrome books, that's what we all

00:40:36 ◼   ► want. No, we don't. Okay, so let's get into this. From the outside, this looks like the

00:40:40 ◼   ► same Mac Mini we've known for a long time, but like we said, it's in Space Gray now.

00:40:46 ◼   ► But inside, it's all new.

00:40:47 ◼   ► Apple put the Mac Mini down, got a big ice cream scooper,

00:40:51 ◼   ► scooped out all the guts, and put all new guts in.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Which is exactly how hardware engineering works,

00:40:56 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure.

00:40:57 ◼   ► - Oh, it's like pumpkin carving.

00:40:59 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:41:01 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Exactly.

00:41:02 ◼   ► The cooling is all new, and we will soon see why.

00:41:07 ◼   ► Every single Mac Mini is at least a quad-core CPU.

00:41:13 ◼   ► So this was the big complaint in 2014,

00:41:16 ◼   ► where they took my beloved quad-core Mac Mini,

00:41:18 ◼   ► which I have at home and I'm replacing now.

00:41:22 ◼   ► They got rid of it and made them all dual-core,

00:41:24 ◼   ► which was a huge step backwards.

00:41:25 ◼   ► They led the conversation with their all quad-core,

00:41:29 ◼   ► but you can go up to a six-core i7 if you want to.

00:41:34 ◼   ► Around back, we have four Thunderbolt 3 ports,

00:41:37 ◼   ► two USB-A ports.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Again, the T2 is present doing its T2 stuff.

00:41:43 ◼   ► There's no SD card slot because that's gone now

00:41:46 ◼   ► except for the iMac and iMac Pro.

00:41:48 ◼   ► And because it's the T2 and this is a new modern Mac

00:41:51 ◼   ► as I wished for last week, it is all SSD.

00:41:56 ◼   ► No spinning disk, no fusion drive, all SSD.

00:41:59 ◼   ► You can go up to, I believe, two terabytes of storage

00:42:03 ◼   ► on these things now.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - As far as the happy element goes,

00:42:06 ◼   ► you got pretty much everything you wanted for this Mac Mini.

00:42:09 ◼   ► - I did, and there's a couple things I wanna talk about,

00:42:12 ◼   ► but I wanna lead my, like my opening statement

00:42:14 ◼   ► on the Mac Mini is, this is great.

00:42:16 ◼   ► Like this is the machine that I wanted

00:42:18 ◼   ► to replace my home server with.

00:42:20 ◼   ► This is a machine that if I was building a desktop

00:42:23 ◼   ► for a family member, I would strongly look at this

00:42:26 ◼   ► over the iMac, especially 'cause the iMac didn't get updated

00:42:28 ◼   ► which we'll talk about in a little while.

00:42:31 ◼   ► It's really great that they have seemed to listened

00:42:34 ◼   ► to what people were using the Mac Mini for.

00:42:36 ◼   ► So the old Mac Mini was $499 and it came from the idea,

00:42:40 ◼   ► I still think the 2014 Mac Mini was still rooted

00:42:44 ◼   ► in the idea that it's for switchers.

00:42:45 ◼   ► And we've talked about this on the show a bunch.

00:42:47 ◼   ► Switchers don't want a desktop.

00:42:49 ◼   ► Switchers want to go buy a MacBook or a MacBook Air

00:42:51 ◼   ► or a MacBook Pro.

00:42:53 ◼   ► Again, that's confusing and that's why that's a problem.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - Or an iPad.

00:42:56 ◼   ► - Probably not an iPad.

00:42:57 ◼   ► - Yep, definitely an iPad.

00:43:00 ◼   ► - Desktop switchers are not.

00:43:02 ◼   ► They still exist 'cause they're all emailing me right now,

00:43:04 ◼   ► but on the whole, it's a much smaller market

00:43:07 ◼   ► than it used to be.

00:43:08 ◼   ► And what has happened to the Mac Mini

00:43:09 ◼   ► is enthusiasts have looked at it and said,

00:43:11 ◼   ► hey, I need a Mac for something.

00:43:13 ◼   ► This thing's really small and quiet.

00:43:15 ◼   ► I'll just buy one to stick in my office or under my TV

00:43:18 ◼   ► or I'm gonna fill an entire rack of them with

00:43:21 ◼   ► because I'm Mac Stadium and this is what we do for a living.

00:43:25 ◼   ► It's such a versatile machine and Apple has created

00:43:29 ◼   ► a new version of it that speaks to that versatility.

00:43:33 ◼   ► So I've had this thing, we've talked about it before,

00:43:35 ◼   ► where the iMac from that cheap one

00:43:38 ◼   ► that I complained about last week in New York

00:43:40 ◼   ► to the most expensive 5K, there's an iMac for everybody.

00:43:44 ◼   ► If you want one, you can get one

00:43:46 ◼   ► with just the specs you want.

00:43:47 ◼   ► And the Mac Mini now falls into that as well.

00:43:50 ◼   ► I have some concerns about the low end one,

00:43:53 ◼   ► but the Mac Mini is now a much broader system

00:43:56 ◼   ► than it's ever been.

00:43:57 ◼   ► And I think that's a good thing

00:43:58 ◼   ► because people use them for anything you can imagine.

00:44:01 ◼   ► So that's all really good and that makes me happy.

00:44:03 ◼   ► - Steven, can you explain to me what,

00:44:07 ◼   ► This is gonna sound stupid, I'm sorry.

00:44:09 ◼   ► What's the difference between Core i5 and Core i7?

00:44:12 ◼   ► Is it just like the i7, it sounds bigger,

00:44:15 ◼   ► so I assume it's faster?

00:44:16 ◼   ► - It's two more, it's two more i's.

00:44:19 ◼   ► So as you move up from, let's just talk about i5 and i7,

00:44:23 ◼   ► depending on what exact CPU we're talking about,

00:44:26 ◼   ► the clock speeds are higher,

00:44:27 ◼   ► sometimes the core counts are higher,

00:44:29 ◼   ► again, depending on which ones we're talking about,

00:44:31 ◼   ► and things like the buses,

00:44:33 ◼   ► maybe they may be able to work on a faster bus,

00:44:36 ◼   ► They may have more built-in memory.

00:44:39 ◼   ► So the processors are better as you move up the line.

00:44:43 ◼   ► - I just sent you a screenshot of the setup

00:44:45 ◼   ► that I would like to have.

00:44:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, you bought the big boy there,

00:44:50 ◼   ► if you're looking at that one.

00:44:51 ◼   ► - I like that this Intel Core i7 has an Ottava Generazione.

00:44:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's in Italian.

00:44:57 ◼   ► I recognize the numbers.

00:44:59 ◼   ► That's good.

00:45:01 ◼   ► And the turbo boost are also faster as you move up.

00:45:04 ◼   ► What's weird about the Mac Mini,

00:45:06 ◼   ► To hit 799, they put in a quad-core i3,

00:45:11 ◼   ► which doesn't turbo boost,

00:45:14 ◼   ► so it doesn't ramp up its speed under load,

00:45:18 ◼   ► which means day-to-day use of the i3 would be totally fine.

00:45:21 ◼   ► If you're just buying a family computer,

00:45:23 ◼   ► the i3 is more than enough.

00:45:25 ◼   ► But if you want to do anything past that,

00:45:28 ◼   ► it's worth at least going to the i5

00:45:30 ◼   ► because you get the better speeds

00:45:33 ◼   ► and the turbo boost period.

00:45:35 ◼   ► So I went for the i5, Federico, you're looking at the i7.

00:45:39 ◼   ► For what you wanna do, doing a Plex server

00:45:41 ◼   ► and like transcoding stuff,

00:45:43 ◼   ► I would definitely spend the money on the i7.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I think what you're looking at

00:45:48 ◼   ► makes sense for what you wanna do.

00:45:50 ◼   ► What's bananas is that you can spend $4,200 on a Mac mini.

00:45:55 ◼   ► That's a six-core i7, 64 gigabytes of RAM,

00:45:59 ◼   ► two terabyte SSD, 10 gig ethernet, like the iMac Pro.

00:46:03 ◼   ► That is a lot of computer, but it has,

00:46:08 ◼   ► like all Mac Minis, the integrated Intel graphics.

00:46:12 ◼   ► You cannot buy a Mac Mini,

00:46:16 ◼   ► you can't buy a Mac Mini with a discrete GPU.

00:46:19 ◼   ► - Is that bad?

00:46:20 ◼   ► - Struggled with this over the last,

00:46:22 ◼   ► you know, I guess since yesterday,

00:46:23 ◼   ► trying to understand where the Mac Mini fits

00:46:26 ◼   ► in relation to the other Macs,

00:46:27 ◼   ► especially when it comes to GPU performance.

00:46:30 ◼   ► And where I've landed is the Mac Mini is,

00:46:35 ◼   ► roughly speaking, the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

00:46:38 ◼   ► So I have a 13 inch MacBook Pro,

00:46:40 ◼   ► I have the fast processor in mind,

00:46:44 ◼   ► I've got 16 gigs of RAM in it,

00:46:46 ◼   ► I have a terabyte SSD,

00:46:49 ◼   ► but it still just has integrated graphics.

00:46:52 ◼   ► Now for what I do on that, it's totally fine,

00:46:54 ◼   ► it's mostly audio editing.

00:46:56 ◼   ► But if you wanna make a Mac Mini

00:46:57 ◼   ► into a video editing station,

00:46:59 ◼   ► and you want it to be as fast as you can get it,

00:47:02 ◼   ► that will require buying an external GPU

00:47:06 ◼   ► and connecting it via Thunderbolt.

00:47:07 ◼   ► I don't love that.

00:47:10 ◼   ► I wish that there would have been a Mac Mini

00:47:12 ◼   ► with a better graphics option, at least as like a CTO,

00:47:16 ◼   ► like hey, if you wanna spend all this money,

00:47:18 ◼   ► you can add a real GPU.

00:47:20 ◼   ► But I think I've softened on that over the last 24 hours,

00:47:24 ◼   ► really realizing that the Mac Mini is a pro machine

00:47:29 ◼   ► up to a certain point.

00:47:30 ◼   ► So if you're doing 3D rendering,

00:47:33 ◼   ► you're gonna buy an iMac Pro or next year a Mac Pro.

00:47:36 ◼   ► The Mac Mini isn't for that type of Pro.

00:47:39 ◼   ► But if you do what we do, which is like some automation,

00:47:42 ◼   ► a bunch of audio processing, some video stuff,

00:47:47 ◼   ► a loaded Mac Mini should totally get you through

00:47:49 ◼   ► because the loaded 13-inch MacBook Pro

00:47:51 ◼   ► can get you through that stuff too.

00:47:52 ◼   ► And so while I would like to see a Mac Mini

00:47:55 ◼   ► with a real GPU in it,

00:47:57 ◼   ► A, eGPU stuff's better than ever.

00:47:59 ◼   ► But B, I think it's fine, because I think they say

00:48:02 ◼   ► it's a pro machine, but that doesn't mean

00:48:04 ◼   ► it has to be for all pros, right?

00:48:06 ◼   ► Like there's really not a computer,

00:48:09 ◼   ► except maybe the iMac Pro, that is for every type

00:48:12 ◼   ► of Mac user working in a professional setting.

00:48:16 ◼   ► And I think I'm okay with it.

00:48:17 ◼   ► Like I wasn't initially, but I think that it's fine.

00:48:21 ◼   ► I think this is a great machine,

00:48:23 ◼   ► and I think that people who need a Mac Mini

00:48:26 ◼   ► have a lot to be thankful for today.

00:48:28 ◼   ► Way more than they had to be thankful two days ago.

00:48:31 ◼   ► And so yeah, Federica, you're looking at the i7 6-core.

00:48:34 ◼   ► I bought the i5 because I don't use Plex.

00:48:38 ◼   ► I'm not transcoding on mine.

00:48:39 ◼   ► Mine is really a file server and does some network stuff.

00:48:42 ◼   ► So I just kinda bought the middle of the road one

00:48:44 ◼   ► 'cause I'm gonna use it for, you know.

00:48:45 ◼   ► My last one's a 2011, so I've gotten seven years out of it.

00:48:49 ◼   ► I like to get seven years out of this one,

00:48:51 ◼   ► so I just went middle of the road.

00:48:52 ◼   ► And I think it's gonna be a huge upgrade for me

00:48:54 ◼   ► and for anyone else who is using a Mac Mini at this point.

00:48:58 ◼   ► - All right, very nice.

00:48:59 ◼   ► So I'll wait until I actually have a new desk

00:49:04 ◼   ► and understand how much space I have available.

00:49:07 ◼   ► I will look into the, people in the chat room

00:49:10 ◼   ► are saying the Dell UltraSharp could be an option.

00:49:14 ◼   ► So I'll see which one I prefer.

00:49:17 ◼   ► I think that before, I think in the month of November,

00:49:24 ◼   ► I should be able to have my new setup in theory.

00:49:27 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:49:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's gonna be exciting.

00:49:28 ◼   ► Keep us posted on that.

00:49:29 ◼   ► We'd like to see what you end up with.

00:49:31 ◼   ► And the Mac Mini's so great because you can just

00:49:33 ◼   ► tuck it under the display and it takes up very little space.

00:49:36 ◼   ► And I know people were claiming for it to be smaller.

00:49:40 ◼   ► I don't really care.

00:49:40 ◼   ► In fact, one thing they did do is that the ports

00:49:43 ◼   ► on the back, at least power and ethernet,

00:49:45 ◼   ► line up with where they do on the old system.

00:49:48 ◼   ► And so if you're like me and mine's underneath my TV,

00:49:52 ◼   ► I'm just gonna unplug my old one

00:49:53 ◼   ► and plug the new one in.

00:49:55 ◼   ► I'm not gonna disassemble my entire TV situation

00:49:59 ◼   ► to get to this thing.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Or if you're a Mac Stadium and you have hundreds

00:50:04 ◼   ► and hundreds or thousands of these things,

00:50:06 ◼   ► you can be able to slot them in more easily

00:50:08 ◼   ► without doing a lot of reconfiguration stuff,

00:50:10 ◼   ► which is a nice thing that using the same chassis provides.

00:50:14 ◼   ► So I'm glad that's the same.

00:50:18 ◼   ► Myke, you've talked on and off about a Mac Mini.

00:50:20 ◼   ► Is this enough to push you over the edge?

00:50:22 ◼   ► this is something I am going to do, I just am not sure when, because what I want to do with it is

00:50:29 ◼   ► like set up like a home server situation, which is more than just buying the machine, I need the time

00:50:34 ◼   ► to do it. So this is like a project that I will undertake at some point in the near future I think,

00:50:40 ◼   ► because it's like okay, I don't have a home server, there's a bunch of things I would want to do with one,

00:50:45 ◼   ► so I need to kind of like get the machine, sit down, set it all up, like work out how I want to

00:50:51 ◼   ► connect the thing? Do I want to connect it to the my iMac in some way so I can

00:50:56 ◼   ► have like network attack storage? What do I want to do? And then I'm gonna

00:51:00 ◼   ► work it out. I think we should talk about this at some point. Yes. We can help Myke

00:51:04 ◼   ► understand what he wants to do with a with a home server and then I'll and

00:51:09 ◼   ► then I'm probably gonna go for it. Cool. Yeah I'm happy to dive into that with

00:51:13 ◼   ► you. Mine will be here next week. I ordered it yesterday so maybe I'll

00:51:18 ◼   ► unbox it on the show next week. That's what people want to hear. Unboxing Mac Mini.

00:51:22 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. This just sounds really good. Real quickly before we move into iPads, I

00:51:27 ◼   ► think we should mention that the MacBook Pro is going to be updated next month, air quotes,

00:51:36 ◼   ► with an option to put the Vega Mobile Graphics chipset in it. So this is a derivative of

00:51:42 ◼   ► what's in the iMac Pro. This has been shipping in a bunch of other notebooks. Apple's late

00:51:48 ◼   ► to the game on this, but they say that the new graphic options will deliver 60% faster

00:51:53 ◼   ► performance for video editing, 3D design, and rendering workloads.

00:51:58 ◼   ► So I looked into this yesterday because I knew this chipset existed but I wasn't super

00:52:02 ◼   ► familiar with it, and seeing some videos on YouTube and reading some articles, if you

00:52:06 ◼   ► buy a MacBook Pro with this in it starting next month, it is going to be drastically

00:52:11 ◼   ► faster for GPU-based tasks.

00:52:15 ◼   ► I assume it's only gonna be in the 15.

00:52:17 ◼   ► I couldn't find anything saying that for sure,

00:52:19 ◼   ► but again, looking at what else is on the market,

00:52:21 ◼   ► these things are big and hot,

00:52:22 ◼   ► so they end up in 15-inch notebooks.

00:52:24 ◼   ► I'm sure it'll hurt the battery life.

00:52:26 ◼   ► But if you need a MacBook Pro as a video workstation,

00:52:30 ◼   ► your life's getting ready to be a lot better

00:52:32 ◼   ► if you buy one of these.

00:52:33 ◼   ► So we'll keep an eye on this when they come out.

00:52:35 ◼   ► I'm sure there'll be a review of it somewhere,

00:52:38 ◼   ► but I just wanted to point that out,

00:52:40 ◼   ► 'cause it was buried in the MacBook Air press release,

00:52:43 ◼   ► and now it's on the MacBook Pro page.

00:52:45 ◼   ► but sort of a quieter story.

00:52:49 ◼   ► And then there was no iMac,

00:52:50 ◼   ► and the iMac,

00:52:51 ◼   ► assumingly would use the same chips

00:52:53 ◼   ► that are in the Mac Mini,

00:52:54 ◼   ► or related chips where you have quad core and six core.

00:52:59 ◼   ► We talked last week about what would make me happy

00:53:01 ◼   ► with the iMac getting rid of the non-retina,

00:53:03 ◼   ► getting rid of the spinning drives.

00:53:05 ◼   ► This makes me feel good about the spinning drive going away,

00:53:07 ◼   ► because assumingly the iMacs will all move

00:53:09 ◼   ► to the T2 architecture as well.

00:53:11 ◼   ► But they didn't make the cut this time.

00:53:14 ◼   ► My guess is that they had a lot of stuff going on

00:53:17 ◼   ► in the Mac team and they just didn't get these done in time.

00:53:21 ◼   ► So maybe we'll see these as a press release at some point,

00:53:23 ◼   ► probably after the new year.

00:53:25 ◼   ► We had some people on Twitter asking,

00:53:27 ◼   ► like hey, I've been in the market for an iMac,

00:53:29 ◼   ► what do I do?

00:53:30 ◼   ► The iMacs now are good.

00:53:33 ◼   ► I would say if you're especially looking at the 5K

00:53:37 ◼   ► and you can hold off,

00:53:39 ◼   ► My guess is that they would be six core machines.

00:53:44 ◼   ► My hope would be that they would have better cooling

00:53:46 ◼   ► because even the Retina 5K iMac now can be loud.

00:53:51 ◼   ► So if you can get a high-end iMac,

00:53:54 ◼   ► and maybe wait, I don't normally say that,

00:53:56 ◼   ► but I feel like the next revision could be a big deal.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Now if you're looking at a 21 inch, a 4K,

00:54:02 ◼   ► they'll be better, but I don't think they have

00:54:04 ◼   ► as much ground to make up, so maybe if you need to do that,

00:54:07 ◼   ► smaller one go for it but I think if you're in the market for a 5k iMac I

00:54:11 ◼   ► would hold on until the new ones are out.

00:54:15 ◼   ► Yeah it's interesting to me I haven't done this it's like how long is it gonna

00:54:19 ◼   ► be this is there is a frustration now or so well now we have the next thing to to

00:54:25 ◼   ► keep asking about it's like oh man why can't we just be chill on the Mac

00:54:29 ◼   ► servers like where's the Mac Macs now like that's gonna be the next

00:54:32 ◼   ► thing when we're four years away and there's no new iMac. That'd be fun. No?

00:54:37 ◼   ► No. It'd be the opposite of fun.

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00:55:47 ◼   ► The main event. Everyone was waiting for it. I think it paid off. New iPads. These new

00:55:54 ◼   ► iPads they're very exciting gentlemen I am I said this on upgrade I'm thinking

00:56:00 ◼   ► about it and I think I mean it I am more excited for these iPads than I was for

00:56:05 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 no because the iPad is the device I care about most anyway right

00:56:11 ◼   ► it is how you know and I have wanted new hardware for a while especially on the

00:56:18 ◼   ► larger size and they have effectively delivered in every thing that I was

00:56:26 ◼   ► looking for and over delivered in certain places like for example face ID

00:56:30 ◼   ► face ID working in all four orientations seems like magic to me I yes I was

00:56:36 ◼   ► hoping at best that we would get two right and fearing that it would just be

00:56:40 ◼   ► one yeah I saw it I saw it working upside down and it was just it just

00:56:47 ◼   ► worked like nothing worked. So we're assuming that the difference is whatever's in the A12X

00:56:52 ◼   ► to do this right? Because I mean that's my assumption. Why can't the iPhones do it? I

00:56:58 ◼   ► think they said in the keynote it was a combination of making changes to the face ID sensors and

00:57:07 ◼   ► the neural network. So it seems like it's hard, I mean that's all hardware I guess like

00:57:12 ◼   ► and then the software that runs in the neural engine which is like not software but is software

00:57:16 ◼   ► So it seems like this is more than just the processor.

00:57:21 ◼   ► People say both things with the iPhone.

00:57:26 ◼   ► I wish it was just more forgiving,

00:57:27 ◼   ► so if you were laying down and the phone's upright,

00:57:29 ◼   ► it would work.

00:57:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's all I want.

00:57:31 ◼   ► I don't need to use my iPhone upside down.

00:57:33 ◼   ► - But it's a must on the iPad,

00:57:36 ◼   ► and so I'm glad they've gotten it right.

00:57:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, it would have been a disaster, right?

00:57:40 ◼   ► Because neither orientation would have been right.

00:57:45 ◼   ► like there would have been problems with either.

00:57:47 ◼   ► So I'm super excited that it's all of them.

00:57:51 ◼   ► The new design is really exciting.

00:57:53 ◼   ► I love the flat edges.

00:57:54 ◼   ► It looks so good to me.

00:57:56 ◼   ► It's funny because like this was the design

00:57:59 ◼   ► that wouldn't go away, right?

00:58:01 ◼   ► Like on the iPhone, right?

00:58:03 ◼   ► Which started with the four

00:58:04 ◼   ► and went all the way up to the SE.

00:58:07 ◼   ► And still is there, right?

00:58:08 ◼   ► With like the chamfered edges and the flat edges.

00:58:10 ◼   ► But there's just something about on the iPad

00:58:12 ◼   ► that looks really freaking good.

00:58:14 ◼   ► and I'm very excited about it.

00:58:16 ◼   ► Federico, how does it feel to hold though?

00:58:18 ◼   ► - I was thinking about this, about the design.

00:58:24 ◼   ► I was kind of worried and I wrote this in my--

00:58:26 ◼   ► - I know, look at you, you're so cool,

00:58:28 ◼   ► your first impressions.

00:58:29 ◼   ► Like you're like a pro blogger now.

00:58:31 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:58:32 ◼   ► Well, something like that.

00:58:35 ◼   ► I was concerned that it was gonna look and feel chunky

00:58:41 ◼   ► to hold.

00:58:44 ◼   ► But in practice, it's really nice.

00:58:47 ◼   ► I feel like the flat edges, they contribute

00:58:52 ◼   ► to increasing the grip of the device,

00:58:55 ◼   ► which is important when you have bezels so small.

00:59:00 ◼   ► I feel like it's easier to hold.

00:59:02 ◼   ► And also it's got this, I was thinking about the look.

00:59:05 ◼   ► It's got this look that is a mix of like

00:59:07 ◼   ► the iPhone 4 aesthetic, but also this kind of

00:59:11 ◼   ► 70s type retro look. It reminds me of an old Sony product. Why is that? Almost like it's

00:59:18 ◼   ► got the Sony aesthetic. I don't know, but I was thinking about it like why do you why

00:59:23 ◼   ► do I associate this look not just with the iPhone 4, but also maybe it's the rounded

00:59:28 ◼   ► edges of the screen. And okay, go for it. Hold on. Hold on. I looked into it. And I

00:59:35 ◼   ► And I remembered that when Apple went to trial against Samsung, you remember that a bunch

00:59:44 ◼   ► of iPhone prototypes came out?

00:59:47 ◼   ► One of them was called the Joni iPhone.

00:59:50 ◼   ► Joni as a play on Sony, but also Joni Ive.

00:59:55 ◼   ► So the Joni prototype, it was made to resemble old Sony electronic, like an old Sony gadget

01:00:03 ◼   ► from the 70s or the 80s.

01:00:05 ◼   ► And it's got that square look, that flat edge and the curve and the camera bump.

01:00:11 ◼   ► And that is why I it reminds me of a Sony product of a golden age.

01:00:17 ◼   ► My word. Look at the Joni iPhone.

01:00:19 ◼   ► Yeah. So so that's why.

01:00:22 ◼   ► And the speaker grill and the cutouts, like it's very reminiscent of that,

01:00:26 ◼   ► which is kind of funny to think about our Apple prototypes, all of these designs.

01:00:31 ◼   ► and eventually they sort of come back, either for practical purposes or for fashion purposes

01:00:36 ◼   ► or just because they look good. Anyway, it looks really nice in practice. It doesn't

01:00:41 ◼   ► feel thick, it doesn't feel chunky, it actually feels impossible.

01:00:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I cannot fathom how they have made the iPad thinner. I can't work it out.

01:00:52 ◼   ► The big one really makes an impression because you're used to have this huge tablet and now

01:00:59 ◼   ► Now it's smaller and lighter and thinner.

01:01:02 ◼   ► And it's very nice.

01:01:05 ◼   ► It feels very nice.

01:01:07 ◼   ► The small one, the 11-inch one.

01:01:10 ◼   ► At first sight, it kind of looks like one of those old Android tablets

01:01:15 ◼   ► that didn't have a 4x3 form factor aspect ratio

01:01:19 ◼   ► because it's longer in landscape, essentially.

01:01:24 ◼   ► It's wider.

01:01:26 ◼   ► It looks kind of weird in photos.

01:01:28 ◼   ► I think it's fine in practice.

01:01:31 ◼   ► - With this change, do you know if it shows apps

01:01:35 ◼   ► in the full compact, like in the full slice class?

01:01:39 ◼   ► - I don't think it does.

01:01:41 ◼   ► I don't think it does.

01:01:42 ◼   ► At least not in the simulator, it does not.

01:01:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I know.

01:01:46 ◼   ► - So I've ordered both, right?

01:01:49 ◼   ► And I'm interested to try them out to see if like,

01:01:53 ◼   ► I actually do still want both in my life.

01:01:55 ◼   ► 'Cause everyone that I know that has been,

01:01:56 ◼   ► including you, including Marco, has said to me and Jason as well, like, you're only going

01:02:01 ◼   ► to need the 12-9 now because it's small enough and light enough. But I'm still, I still want

01:02:06 ◼   ► to see it for myself. Like I'm still kind of holding out reservation because it's like,

01:02:11 ◼   ► I have a 13 inch MacBook Pro, right? If I see a 15 inch, the 15 inch is like a battleship

01:02:16 ◼   ► still and this is still kind of the same difference, right? It's still like two inches of difference.

01:02:22 ◼   ► So I'm keen to see how it ends up working out. No, of course it was blown out of proportion

01:02:26 ◼   ► with the 12.9 inch iPad Pro because they always had the bigger bezels, right?

01:02:30 ◼   ► So it's always been like massively larger than than the other iPad size,

01:02:35 ◼   ► you know, like especially with the 10.5 because screen got bigger,

01:02:39 ◼   ► but the bezels got smaller.

01:02:40 ◼   ► And I'm super excited to see what the 12.9 looks like.

01:02:44 ◼   ► But I'm still unconvinced that like for the way that I use the iPad Pro,

01:02:48 ◼   ► that I will only want one of them.

01:02:50 ◼   ► So I need to see it for myself.

01:02:51 ◼   ► And the only way I can do that is by ordering them both.

01:02:54 ◼   ► Mm hmm. That makes sense.

01:02:56 ◼   ► So anyway, we were talking about the design, it looks good and it feels good when you hold

01:03:03 ◼   ► the iPad.

01:03:06 ◼   ► So I want to talk about quickly the compatibility mode that a bunch of people were talking about

01:03:15 ◼   ► on Twitter and actually there's a couple of videos that Apple published under the TechTalks

01:03:20 ◼   ► channel, sort of developer videos that you can watch.

01:03:24 ◼   ► especially the first one, it's an eight minute video that explains how developers can adapt

01:03:29 ◼   ► their apps for the new iPad Pros. And one of the changes is that the iPad Pro, the 11

01:03:36 ◼   ► inch, so the new 10.5, essentially, does not have the same aspect ratio as the old one.

01:03:45 ◼   ► So if your app has basically been hardcoded to check for that aspect ratio, it's not going

01:03:52 ◼   ► to work well with the new safe area insets approach that Apple has been pushing since

01:03:58 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 days with the virtual home indicator.

01:04:00 ◼   ► So this is kind of what we saw with the Apple Watch too, right?

01:04:03 ◼   ► Where like, because the screen edges are curved, there's different considerations needed.

01:04:09 ◼   ► But also the problem on iOS devices is that you have this virtual home indicator that

01:04:15 ◼   ► can conflict with tap bars.

01:04:19 ◼   ► if you code a custom tab bar that doesn't use the native APIs and you don't use storyboards

01:04:23 ◼   ► and all that.

01:04:25 ◼   ► So the thing about these new iPads in Split View, because you can put multiple apps in

01:04:33 ◼   ► Split View, let's assume that you're using one app that has been updated for the new

01:04:39 ◼   ► iPads and has been linked against the iOS 12.1 SDK.

01:04:45 ◼   ► So one app has done all of the things they're supposed to do to work well on the new iPad

01:04:50 ◼   ► Pro, but the other app in Split View hasn't.

01:04:53 ◼   ► So you're using an app that's been updated and an app that has not been updated.

01:04:59 ◼   ► The result on the new iPad Pros is compatibility mode, which is essentially a punishment for

01:05:05 ◼   ► the app that has been updated, because the old one that is causing problems will be put

01:05:12 ◼   ► in this kind of letterbox mode.

01:05:16 ◼   ► So there's Apple is going to force a safe area

01:05:20 ◼   ► inset on both apps.

01:05:22 ◼   ► So even the new one that has been updated will be

01:05:27 ◼   ► put into this safe area

01:05:29 ◼   ► mode, this compatibility mode,

01:05:32 ◼   ► so that it can work with the other app that has not been updated.

01:05:38 ◼   ► So you will see, I think it's going to look like a black bar,

01:05:41 ◼   ► like a thin black bar all around both apps

01:05:45 ◼   ► so that the virtual home indicator can be unobstructed

01:05:49 ◼   ► by the other app.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Which means that developers better update their apps

01:05:56 ◼   ► for new iPad Pros.

01:05:58 ◼   ► But it also means that as long as you have an app

01:06:01 ◼   ► that has not been updated

01:06:02 ◼   ► and you try to use that in Split View,

01:06:04 ◼   ► looking at you, Google,

01:06:05 ◼   ► every other app will suffer

01:06:08 ◼   ► if you try to put that app in Split View

01:06:10 ◼   ► with the old one.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Based on what I heard from first-hand and second-hand

01:06:20 ◼   ► sources and friends who worked on this stuff,

01:06:24 ◼   ► this was a lot of work.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Like, it's been months in the making.

01:06:29 ◼   ► Like, people were working on this stuff many months ago.

01:06:33 ◼   ► And it's a lot of work to come up

01:06:35 ◼   ► with this compatibility mode and find a way

01:06:38 ◼   ► to make it work easily for users,

01:06:43 ◼   ► but also reliably, and to find the solution

01:06:48 ◼   ► that works for old apps and apps that have also been updated.

01:06:52 ◼   ► It sounds easy, but under the hood,

01:06:54 ◼   ► I don't think it was easy.

01:06:55 ◼   ► So it's fascinating to me.

01:06:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's gonna be a shame.

01:06:59 ◼   ► - If they had done a different screen size,

01:07:01 ◼   ► if they had kept the X and Y axis like the same proportions,

01:07:06 ◼   ► would this have been a problem

01:07:07 ◼   ► if they just scaled it up to like whatever it is.

01:07:10 ◼   ► - I think it would have been a problem to the extent that

01:07:13 ◼   ► the problem on the iPad is the split view.

01:07:16 ◼   ► It's that you're using two apps at the same time

01:07:20 ◼   ► and one of them can be all good and updated

01:07:24 ◼   ► and the other is not.

01:07:26 ◼   ► And the virtual home indicator

01:07:27 ◼   ► is sitting in the middle of them.

01:07:30 ◼   ► So because there's that indicator,

01:07:33 ◼   ► it becomes a problem even for the app

01:07:35 ◼   ► that has been updated for the new iPad Pro.

01:07:38 ◼   ► So even if the screen was the same--

01:07:40 ◼   ► - So it's gonna be on both then,

01:07:42 ◼   ► it's gonna be on the 11 and the 12,

01:07:44 ◼   ► nine will have the same problem, right?

01:07:46 ◼   ► Because of the home indicator.

01:07:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, because you have that virtual,

01:07:49 ◼   ► we have the home indicator,

01:07:51 ◼   ► which is kind of long actually on the iPad.

01:07:53 ◼   ► You have that one in the middle,

01:07:56 ◼   ► so that causes problems.

01:07:58 ◼   ► Hopefully this will be resolved quickly,

01:08:00 ◼   ► but still this compatibility mode is in place

01:08:03 ◼   ► for all of those old apps.

01:08:05 ◼   ► Well, I guess we can, you know, it's like one of those things, I think it will take

01:08:10 ◼   ► time but it will happen. Like there's still apps that I use every day for the TELUS Max

01:08:14 ◼   ► that I can see haven't been updated, right? Like this is just, if you're on the bleeding

01:08:19 ◼   ► edge of iOS hardware, this is something that you're used to by now. Like it just takes

01:08:24 ◼   ► time, but developers get there. It's like, Google will be the joke for a while, but we

01:08:28 ◼   ► know that they'll do it, they've always done it, it just takes them a long time, so we'll

01:08:33 ◼   ► will just have to live with it until then. I want to talk about a couple of spec stuff.

01:08:38 ◼   ► We already know the A12X is super powerful, like it's amazing, more powerful than basically

01:08:44 ◼   ► anything else, right? I was listening to ATP live last night because I'm on Eastern Time

01:08:50 ◼   ► so I could do that and they were kind of joking about how the fact that this iPad, the A12X,

01:08:55 ◼   ► is more powerful than any laptop that Apple ships right now. It's this obscene amount

01:09:00 ◼   ► of power. I want to get into a minute of comparing those because I know Stephen has a really

01:09:05 ◼   ► good analogy that I want us to talk about. But I want to talk about RAM because there's

01:09:10 ◼   ► been some stuff about the RAM in these machines. Federico, what's going on here?

01:09:15 ◼   ► Again, based on what I'm hearing, all the non-1TB models, so 64, 256, 512, they have

01:09:33 ◼   ► 4GB of RAM.

01:09:34 ◼   ► The 1TB model has 6GB of RAM, and my understanding is that this was necessary to handle that

01:09:43 ◼   ► amount of storage.

01:09:44 ◼   ► to have more memory to manage the fact that you're using a 1TB iPad.

01:09:50 ◼   ► Apple of course is not talking about RAM, but people have been digging into the code

01:09:54 ◼   ► and Steve Childensmith found code strings that suggested that the new iPad Pros had

01:10:02 ◼   ► 60GB of RAM, but what I'm hearing and some other people are also hearing is that that's

01:10:08 ◼   ► only for the one terabyte model and it was necessary for storage

01:10:13 ◼   ► management essentially. So I want to run Geekbench of course on these

01:10:20 ◼   ► things. If I'll end up with a one terabyte version I don't know yet.

01:10:26 ◼   ► But yeah it would have been nice to know but Apple is never gonna talk about RAM

01:10:31 ◼   ► publicly. Do you think that RAM will make an effective daily impact?

01:10:37 ◼   ► that you need it for the storage but do you think it's gonna make the actual

01:10:41 ◼   ► iPad run any differently? I don't know I think it will be I don't think it will I

01:10:48 ◼   ► think you would be hard-pressed to find apps on the on the iPad Pro that require

01:10:54 ◼   ► more more than four gigs. Also in the future I don't think Apple will ever do

01:11:00 ◼   ► something like only the one terabyte 2018 iPad Pro can access this feature

01:11:06 ◼   ► like I could see them limit certain functionalities based on generation not

01:11:13 ◼   ► based on storage size of a specific generation so I think it'll be fine.

01:11:18 ◼   ► If it's like the RAM and the 10 R versus the 10 S then it but it's needed for storage

01:11:24 ◼   ► management which I don't know if I fully understand then in practice it probably

01:11:28 ◼   ► won't make a difference right like if they've done it because they need it

01:11:31 ◼   ► from a technical perspective changes are side by side you would never notice

01:11:36 ◼   ► "Whoa, this one only has four, it does this, but this one has six, so it can do this other

01:11:40 ◼   ► thing."

01:11:41 ◼   ► I would imagine in practice they're effectively identical.

01:11:47 ◼   ► So let's talk about the power of these machines.

01:11:50 ◼   ► They're incredibly powerful, right?

01:11:52 ◼   ► And can it be used to the full effect of the power?

01:11:59 ◼   ► I don't think I mean, I think it's kind of obvious that right now

01:12:02 ◼   ► you're only seeing half of the of the bigger picture for the iPad,

01:12:09 ◼   ► because there's the big missing piece is the software.

01:12:12 ◼   ► One of my disappointments from this event is that we didn't see any

01:12:17 ◼   ► any pro app by Apple for the iPad Pro.

01:12:21 ◼   ► We just got the hardware.

01:12:23 ◼   ► So there's a lot riding on next year's WWDC

01:12:27 ◼   ► and what Apple is going to do in terms of iPad software.

01:12:30 ◼   ► And if they're going to show that these powerful iPad Pros

01:12:33 ◼   ► can run things like Logic or Xcode or Final Cut, for example.

01:12:40 ◼   ► I think right now, yes, you can buy a new iPad Pro

01:12:43 ◼   ► and you can run reminders on it, which is fine.

01:12:47 ◼   ► You can run Spark email.

01:12:50 ◼   ► Not to say that those apps are--

01:12:52 ◼   ► it's not a criticism for those apps.

01:12:54 ◼   ► It's just--

01:12:55 ◼   ► They're not going to grant everything to a halt.

01:12:57 ◼   ► No.

01:12:58 ◼   ► I mean, I had a demo of the new Pixelmator photo app, which

01:13:04 ◼   ► now we're talking about this prosumer type product that

01:13:10 ◼   ► uses machine learning to apply modifications to photos.

01:13:14 ◼   ► Like, really powerful stuff.

01:13:15 ◼   ► You can have multiple layers.

01:13:17 ◼   ► You can do all kinds of edits.

01:13:20 ◼   ► But I still think--

01:13:22 ◼   ► And of course, Photoshop.

01:13:24 ◼   ► Photoshop is coming to iPad.

01:13:26 ◼   ► - That's no joke, right?

01:13:27 ◼   ► Like that is gonna be a huge deal.

01:13:28 ◼   ► - Next year, we're still talking 2019 for all of these apps.

01:13:32 ◼   ► So I think the ecosystem of iPad software,

01:13:37 ◼   ► I think it's grown over the past few years.

01:13:40 ◼   ► - Oh, it has.

01:13:41 ◼   ► - I don't agree with most people that I see on Twitter

01:13:47 ◼   ► saying that iPad apps are still like iPhone apps

01:13:52 ◼   ► or mini apps, I disagree with that.

01:13:54 ◼   ► I think things have changed a lot

01:13:56 ◼   ► and people have a short memory.

01:13:57 ◼   ► - But they are sitting in the middle right now.

01:14:00 ◼   ► - They're in the middle, yes.

01:14:01 ◼   ► - They were like iPhone apps,

01:14:02 ◼   ► but they are getting better,

01:14:03 ◼   ► there's a lot of powerful stuff,

01:14:05 ◼   ► but we're not at the Mac level yet.

01:14:07 ◼   ► - Not yet.

01:14:08 ◼   ► - Yet, we will, I think it's happening.

01:14:11 ◼   ► - I also think it's gonna happen

01:14:12 ◼   ► and I think next year is gonna be a turning point,

01:14:16 ◼   ► both for third-party developers and for Apple.

01:14:19 ◼   ► At least that's what I wanna believe.

01:14:20 ◼   ► Well, or I would at least say it's either next WWDC or not at all, right?

01:14:28 ◼   ► Like everything that's building to it, if they don't make a compelling story for

01:14:33 ◼   ► some kind of professional iPad development stuff or just big advancements to the

01:14:39 ◼   ► iPads in iOS, which can make it clear that you could make more powerful stuff, I feel

01:14:45 ◼   ► like it might not happen.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Right.

01:14:46 ◼   ► because you've got this hardware, which is as good as it's ever been, you have companies

01:14:51 ◼   ► like Adobe investing heavily into iPad, that if you don't make your changes to iOS to kind

01:14:58 ◼   ► of indicate an advancement like we had in iOS 11, I just don't know when you would do

01:15:04 ◼   ► it, right?

01:15:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, Apple can keep doing the demos of AR apps and photo editing all the time,

01:15:13 ◼   ► at the end of the day, people, if you're gonna sell a computer, you can sell it in two ways.

01:15:18 ◼   ► Either it's a gaming computer, so people buy it to play video games with good graphics.

01:15:23 ◼   ► Xbox One S performance, right? Yeah, right. That was super weird when they...

01:15:27 ◼   ► Yeah, sure. It was very strange. Like, okay, great, but

01:15:31 ◼   ► like where's the controller? Exactly.

01:15:32 ◼   ► So like, we're really happy. So, either you sell a gaming PC or you sell

01:15:36 ◼   ► a computer that people can use for work. Because there's only so much AR that you can do, you

01:15:41 ◼   ► Apple will disagree with you, my friend.

01:15:45 ◼   ► Sure. I want to see somebody that doesn't work at an AR company using AR stuff, at least

01:15:53 ◼   ► for more than three hours a day. Please let me know if you're one of those people and

01:15:58 ◼   ► you don't work in an AR startup or Apple or Google. So either you sell a gaming PC or

01:16:05 ◼   ► or you sell a computer that is for work.

01:16:08 ◼   ► And work apps mean stuff like heavy audio editing

01:16:12 ◼   ► or serious 3D graphics or programming

01:16:15 ◼   ► or like all these complex tasks

01:16:17 ◼   ► that some apps do exist on the iPad for this stuff,

01:16:22 ◼   ► but they're not as powerful as what you can get

01:16:24 ◼   ► on a PC or on a Mac.

01:16:26 ◼   ► And that is a simple argument.

01:16:28 ◼   ► Is it as powerful as what you can get on a desktop computer?

01:16:32 ◼   ► No, not yet.

01:16:34 ◼   ► So it's gonna happen next year.

01:16:37 ◼   ► Things seem to be moving in that direction.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Is the transition gonna be completed by next year?

01:16:42 ◼   ► I don't think so.

01:16:43 ◼   ► We're gonna get, you know, Photoshop,

01:16:45 ◼   ► the first version of Photoshop on iPad

01:16:47 ◼   ► is coming out next year.

01:16:49 ◼   ► I think this is a long process,

01:16:51 ◼   ► but it needs to start at some point.

01:16:53 ◼   ► And that point seems to be 2019 so far.

01:16:58 ◼   ► But we don't know when, we don't know how,

01:16:59 ◼   ► we don't know if Apple will participate in this transition,

01:17:03 ◼   ► that other companies seem to foresee coming on the horizon.

01:17:07 ◼   ► Does Apple also see this transition happening

01:17:10 ◼   ► with iPads actually turning into computers?

01:17:14 ◼   ► Maybe, USB-C seems to be a pretty fascinating indication

01:17:17 ◼   ► of that, we can talk about it maybe.

01:17:19 ◼   ► - Let's talk about USB-C, but before we do,

01:17:21 ◼   ► Steven, there is an analogy that you've made,

01:17:23 ◼   ► which is really cool, and I want you to say it here too.

01:17:26 ◼   ► - Yes, I talked about this on a members-only podcast

01:17:30 ◼   ► we have here at Relay, but the iPad Pro feels like a supercar to me in the sense that you've

01:17:36 ◼   ► built something that is incredibly powerful, like the technology is just cutting edge,

01:17:42 ◼   ► it looks great, like this looks like an exciting product, and it's an aspirational product,

01:17:47 ◼   ► but one that maybe struggles in like everyday life. Like some problems that some supercars

01:17:53 ◼   ► have is you have all this power but you can't put it down on the street. Like you just...

01:17:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, you can go 200 miles an hour,

01:18:00 ◼   ► but the laws stop you from driving it that fast.

01:18:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, or the physics of the world keep you

01:18:07 ◼   ► from using all that power,

01:18:09 ◼   ► because you just can't put it down appropriately.

01:18:11 ◼   ► And that's how I feel about the iPad Pro,

01:18:14 ◼   ► is like, the hardware, this hardware looks incredible,

01:18:17 ◼   ► it looks really good, I love the new industrial design,

01:18:19 ◼   ► the A12X seems bananas, Apple keeps throwing shade

01:18:22 ◼   ► at Intel, saying, hey, we're faster than 90-something percent

01:18:26 ◼   ► of notebooks sold last year.

01:18:28 ◼   ► that includes almost every MacBook and MacBook Pro.

01:18:31 ◼   ► But I think that's about Apple building the case

01:18:34 ◼   ► to move to ARM and I feel like every time

01:18:36 ◼   ► they have a new chip and an iPad,

01:18:37 ◼   ► it's like oh yeah, that could totally run on my laptop,

01:18:39 ◼   ► it'd be fine.

01:18:41 ◼   ► But for me at least, and I think for a lot of people,

01:18:44 ◼   ► I think even the two of you,

01:18:46 ◼   ► the software doesn't unlock all that power.

01:18:49 ◼   ► We can talk about USB-C specific examples,

01:18:51 ◼   ► but you know, and looking at Photoshop,

01:18:53 ◼   ► that's like the first thing that I've seen

01:18:55 ◼   ► that I could use, like okay,

01:18:57 ◼   ► this would really take advantage of

01:19:00 ◼   ► what this machine has to offer.

01:19:03 ◼   ► And there are other high-end apps

01:19:06 ◼   ► that sort of tap into that too,

01:19:08 ◼   ► but most of the time, I don't need all that power.

01:19:11 ◼   ► And I feel like I don't have access to it

01:19:14 ◼   ► because of some fundamental things in iOS

01:19:18 ◼   ► that need to change.

01:19:19 ◼   ► There was that report that I think Germin had

01:19:23 ◼   ► that iOS 12 had a bunch of stuff in it

01:19:25 ◼   ► that got delayed or got pushed off

01:19:27 ◼   ► because they were focusing on stability

01:19:30 ◼   ► and performance increases on older devices.

01:19:33 ◼   ► And they hit those two goals.

01:19:35 ◼   ► Like, iOS 12 is way nicer on older devices

01:19:39 ◼   ► and seems to be far less buggy than iOS 10 or 11 ever were.

01:19:43 ◼   ► So now, like to your point, Myke, it is time,

01:19:48 ◼   ► like WWDC 2019, it is time to see

01:19:52 ◼   ► what Apple can do with all this iPad hardware.

01:19:55 ◼   ► And if they want it to be a computer replacement

01:19:59 ◼   ► for even more people,

01:20:01 ◼   ► 'cause the iPad is a computer replacement,

01:20:03 ◼   ► 100% for lots of people.

01:20:05 ◼   ► And it could be for lots more people

01:20:07 ◼   ► who just don't realize it yet.

01:20:09 ◼   ► But if they wanna move into the next bigger circle out

01:20:13 ◼   ► from that center, they need it to do more things.

01:20:18 ◼   ► They need it to do things that it does now

01:20:20 ◼   ► in a more efficient manner.

01:20:22 ◼   ► And that is a story that only Apple can tell, right?

01:20:26 ◼   ► Like third party app developers are handcuffed by iOS

01:20:31 ◼   ► in a lot of different ways, that they aren't on the Mac,

01:20:33 ◼   ► that they aren't on Windows.

01:20:35 ◼   ► And Apple needs to look at those restrictions

01:20:37 ◼   ► and really work in a way that developers can tap

01:20:41 ◼   ► into what this iPad can do.

01:20:43 ◼   ► And I'm super optimistic about that

01:20:46 ◼   ► because in the hardware we're getting,

01:20:49 ◼   ► it's clear that Apple is paying attention

01:20:52 ◼   ► what people want. Things like a pencil that always charges and is connected with you.

01:20:57 ◼   ► We're going to talk about the pencil again in a second. An adjustable smart keyboard.

01:21:00 ◼   ► USB-C. These are things that pros want out of an iPad. And so they've said yes, yes,

01:21:05 ◼   ► yes to all these hardware things. I hope they say yes, yes, yes to all the software things

01:21:10 ◼   ► we want as well. And I'm optimistic about that until proven wrong.

01:21:15 ◼   ► One of the key things that you can say, okay, that there's clearly a difference in the way

01:21:18 ◼   ► that they think about the iPad is that they've moved from Lightning to USB-C.

01:21:21 ◼   ► Like that is a sign of something, right, that seems positive to me. It's like,

01:21:27 ◼   ► okay, we've put an actual computer connector on this thing now. Federico,

01:21:31 ◼   ► what do you think USB-C actually means for the iPad line? Like what can we do

01:21:35 ◼   ► right now? What can't it do right now? Like I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

01:21:39 ◼   ► Right now it seems to be mostly an evolution of what we already had before.

01:21:47 ◼   ► for, so you can do camera import. You can connect to high resolution displays and Apple

01:21:55 ◼   ► seemed to suggest that you can do multiple of those things at once, like if you have

01:22:00 ◼   ► an adapter you can connect to display and also do camera import.

01:22:04 ◼   ► It does what USB-C should do, right? Like it does the training.

01:22:07 ◼   ► You can use it as a, you can use your iPad as a power bank for your iPhone by charging

01:22:12 ◼   ► other devices.

01:22:13 ◼   ► Which is so hilarious, but brilliant. It's brilliant!

01:22:16 ◼   ► I was on a plane and I had my iPad fully charged and I thought, you know, it would be nice

01:22:20 ◼   ► if I could actually charge my new Sony headphones, which have USB-C from my iPad.

01:22:25 ◼   ► So that would be kind of nice.

01:22:28 ◼   ► I think, or I should say I want to believe, that USB-C is a sign of more to come in terms

01:22:38 ◼   ► of adding proper I/O support to the iPad Pro line.

01:22:43 ◼   ► I think it's ridiculous, honestly, that you still cannot connect a USB-C drive to the

01:22:50 ◼   ► iPad Pro and have it show up as a location in the Files app.

01:22:55 ◼   ► Especially now.

01:22:56 ◼   ► Especially now.

01:22:57 ◼   ► I mentioned this on Connected multiple times at this point.

01:23:01 ◼   ► And that's like obvious material for iOS 13 or even an update to iOS 12.

01:23:09 ◼   ► Our friend Steve Tradt and Smith on Twitter is actually making this argument right now

01:23:13 ◼   ► that it is extremely trivial to write this kind of disk access on iOS with the existing

01:23:20 ◼   ► APIs and frameworks that are available to read stuff from a USB drive and give it native

01:23:28 ◼   ► UI in files.

01:23:30 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure that that would solve most of the problems that people have when it comes

01:23:34 ◼   ► to file management and storage and backups on iOS and the iPad.

01:23:39 ◼   ► But also, right now, if you try and use USB-C with an external monitor, my understanding

01:23:45 ◼   ► is that it basically treats the second monitor as a window for specific portions of your

01:23:54 ◼   ► content.

01:23:55 ◼   ► So if you're using iMovie, you can see the video on the big display.

01:24:01 ◼   ► or if you use a keynote, you can mirror the presentation on the display.

01:24:04 ◼   ► It's not like you're actually adding a second display to the iPad.

01:24:08 ◼   ► You're just putting some parts of your content onto the second display.

01:24:14 ◼   ► So it's not like on a Mac that you actually have a display management screen in preferences.

01:24:19 ◼   ► And you can see I'm using two displays with my computer now.

01:24:23 ◼   ► That seems kind of obvious that in the future you will be able to use your iPad Pro

01:24:29 ◼   ► on the go or on a desk.

01:24:30 ◼   ► And then when you sit down and you connect a USB-C cable,

01:24:34 ◼   ► you're going to have your iPad Pro and you're going to have a second display

01:24:36 ◼   ► running iPad apps, but much bigger.

01:24:40 ◼   ► Does that mean that those apps will use some kind of windowing system?

01:24:44 ◼   ► Does it mean that you're going to have split view at a much bigger size

01:24:49 ◼   ► with perhaps multiple tabs for each app in the split view?

01:24:53 ◼   ► Does it mean that you're going to do multi app split view,

01:24:57 ◼   ► like three apps at once or four apps at once on the big display, that stuff could be done with,

01:25:04 ◼   ► in theory, with these iPads and that kind of CPU and USB-C and an external display, but it's not

01:25:11 ◼   ► possible right now on these iPads. So my interpretation of USB-C is that it's a first step

01:25:21 ◼   ► to take the iPad more seriously as a computer.

01:25:25 ◼   ► By giving it, it's a strong message

01:25:27 ◼   ► to give it a different connector than the phone.

01:25:30 ◼   ► It's sort of moving away from that idea

01:25:33 ◼   ► that we've been hearing since 2010

01:25:35 ◼   ► that the iPad is a big phone.

01:25:37 ◼   ► Now the iPad shares the same connector

01:25:39 ◼   ► that is on a MacBook.

01:25:41 ◼   ► And that's a powerful message saying,

01:25:44 ◼   ► this is not an, almost like you're saying,

01:25:46 ◼   ► this is not an iOS device anymore,

01:25:48 ◼   ► this is a computer that runs iOS.

01:25:50 ◼   ► And that is just, I feel like the connector

01:25:55 ◼   ► is an example of that theory.

01:25:58 ◼   ► But right now it's a theory.

01:25:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a powerful message

01:26:02 ◼   ► once they actually say something.

01:26:03 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:26:04 ◼   ► - Right, right.

01:26:04 ◼   ► It's like they've rolled out a big stage

01:26:06 ◼   ► and they haven't gone out there yet to tell the story.

01:26:09 ◼   ► And the possibility is there, but they haven't done it.

01:26:14 ◼   ► What I keep thinking about is,

01:26:16 ◼   ► let's just say all this magical stuff is coming in iOS 13.

01:26:20 ◼   ► What if it had come out in iOS 12 and we were now,

01:26:24 ◼   ► you know, three or four months into iOS 12

01:26:26 ◼   ► and you can do all this stuff

01:26:28 ◼   ► but the lightning port's the problem.

01:26:29 ◼   ► Right, oh, I can mount an SD card

01:26:31 ◼   ► or bring an external drive in

01:26:33 ◼   ► or I can run more apps at once or like files.

01:26:35 ◼   ► It's like a real file manager.

01:26:37 ◼   ► But you have to deal with lightning adapters

01:26:40 ◼   ► and lightning is slow and annoying.

01:26:43 ◼   ► You know, we would all be scrambling for USB-C

01:26:47 ◼   ► and be really glad it's here

01:26:48 ◼   ► and it would be a more complete story.

01:26:51 ◼   ► But instead we're in this weird world of like,

01:26:53 ◼   ► well, it seems like they're gonna do something.

01:26:56 ◼   ► They have all the cards lined up,

01:26:58 ◼   ► but they haven't actually executed yet.

01:27:00 ◼   ► So I agree with you, it's a big statement,

01:27:03 ◼   ► but they need to finish the statement.

01:27:06 ◼   ► - What's that?

01:27:07 ◼   ► - I'm thinking of the meme of Charlie from

01:27:11 ◼   ► It's Always Sun in Philadelphia, of him having all the--

01:27:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:27:16 ◼   ► with all the paper on the wall and the strings landed.

01:27:19 ◼   ► Yeah, this is how it is.

01:27:20 ◼   ► This is what it's like trying to understand

01:27:22 ◼   ► where the iPad's going.

01:27:23 ◼   ► It's like there are all these signals

01:27:25 ◼   ► and we're just trying to find a link between them.

01:27:26 ◼   ► - Look at the signs, it's USB-C and all these things.

01:27:29 ◼   ► Yeah, everything is a theory at this point.

01:27:33 ◼   ► - We added, oh, so you actually get

01:27:37 ◼   ► a 18 watt USB-C charging brick in the box now.

01:27:40 ◼   ► Which is great. - Nice, okay.

01:27:41 ◼   ► - That's great, hooray, that's what USB brought us.

01:27:44 ◼   ► So we added USB-C, we lost the headphone jack.

01:27:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:27:48 ◼   ► It's a problem for, for example, for DJs or, you know, people who...

01:27:55 ◼   ► People that watch movies on planes.

01:27:57 ◼   ► People who watch movies on planes, people who make music, people who use the headphone

01:28:01 ◼   ► jack for all kinds of creative purposes.

01:28:04 ◼   ► It's a problem and you're going to have to buy a dongle.

01:28:07 ◼   ► And this is basically the same discussion we had when this stuff happened on the Mac

01:28:13 ◼   ► before. Now it's happening on the iPad Pro. So it's a shame I feel like the

01:28:19 ◼   ► iPhone jack was more needed on the iPad than the iPhone. Personally this is not a

01:28:24 ◼   ► doesn't affect me. I know that it affects other people and so I get why they're

01:28:28 ◼   ► gonna complain about it. So I get it. I just find it frustrating. So I have

01:28:34 ◼   ► AirPods. I don't use them on planes for reasons we spoke about recently because

01:28:38 ◼   ► you drop them and they're gone forever. We may have trouble hearing them. They're not

01:28:42 ◼   ► loud enough that's that's another big problem and so I was on several flights

01:28:47 ◼   ► last week and I used my lightning earbuds and they were fine so not loud

01:28:53 ◼   ► enough but at least I'm not gonna lose them and I could transition from

01:28:57 ◼   ► listening to a podcast on my phone to watching something on my iPad just

01:29:01 ◼   ► unplug it from my phone and plug it into my iPad now that's not gonna be possible

01:29:06 ◼   ► Apple does sell a USB C to 3.5 millimeter adapter so I guess I'm just

01:29:12 ◼   ► gonna have dongles for this now but the thing that that's really bugs me is like

01:29:17 ◼   ► the iPad is so flexible because people use it in so many different ways and a

01:29:22 ◼   ► headphone jack like whatever it's old-fashioned but like a you can't tell

01:29:27 ◼   ► me it's because of room in the iPad Pro like it's not about room it's about

01:29:31 ◼   ► wanting to make the statement and they think that that people have moved on and

01:29:35 ◼   ► I just find it frustrating because it limits the flexibility of the device if

01:29:40 ◼   ► If it had two USB-C ports, then I could have power and headphone, but I got a tweet or

01:29:46 ◼   ► an email from somebody saying they work as an AV tech in a theater and they use iPads

01:29:51 ◼   ► to play music and stuff during productions.

01:29:54 ◼   ► That was great because you could have it charging because in a production environment you want

01:29:58 ◼   ► power to all of your devices, but now that's not feasible.

01:30:04 ◼   ► I just find it frustrating.

01:30:06 ◼   ► I think it's gonna be something that I definitely miss more on my iPad than I did on my phone,

01:30:11 ◼   ► just because I use my iPad in various ways that I don't always use my iPhone XS.

01:30:16 ◼   ► So it's a bummer.

01:30:19 ◼   ► It's the saddest thing about this hardware to me by far, and it's gonna take some getting

01:30:23 ◼   ► used to.

01:30:25 ◼   ► I'm not gonna let it ruin it, you know?

01:30:27 ◼   ► Like I've been thinking about it, like I'm annoyed, but I'm not gonna let this ruin it.

01:30:30 ◼   ► I just need to work out what my situation, like what am I gonna do, right?

01:30:34 ◼   ► 'cause I bought a dongle,

01:30:36 ◼   ► which I'll put on my over ear headphones

01:30:38 ◼   ► that I keep in my travel backpack.

01:30:40 ◼   ► So I just keep it on there.

01:30:41 ◼   ► But if I use that dongle, I can't charge at the same time.

01:30:44 ◼   ► So do I need a different dongle that maybe I could charge?

01:30:47 ◼   ► But I guess it's gonna be a long-term thing for me.

01:30:50 ◼   ► I don't really wanna get Bluetooth over ear headphones,

01:30:55 ◼   ► really, 'cause I don't wanna have to have another thing

01:30:58 ◼   ► that I need to think about charging.

01:30:59 ◼   ► So I'm just gonna see, I'm just gonna see how it goes.

01:31:03 ◼   ► You know like Apple might bring out these head pods and then maybe that changes everything again

01:31:08 ◼   ► I don't know. I'm just gonna have to wait and see but for now I'm just gonna have a dongle on the way

01:31:13 ◼   ► My dongle arrives on Friday. I'm so excited

01:31:15 ◼   ► And then I'm just gonna put it on my headphones that go in my bag and I'm just gonna leave it there

01:31:20 ◼   ► I'm gonna see how it goes over time. But yeah, it's a frustration

01:31:23 ◼   ► But I will let this one go because I think everything else is so awesome

01:31:27 ◼   ► Oh boy

01:31:30 ◼   ► What do you think about the price increases? Oh

01:31:32 ◼   ► People are upset and I think they are more expensive.

01:31:39 ◼   ► They are like a couple of hundred dollars more or something, right?

01:31:42 ◼   ► It's especially bad for euros.

01:31:45 ◼   ► I think you can easily get to the point where you're spending two thousand and couple hundred euros to get an iPad Pro.

01:31:57 ◼   ► The keyboard is like 2200 euros.

01:32:02 ◼   ► It's like that's an insane amount of money for the keyboard folio.

01:32:08 ◼   ► But so I would say just on the actual price of the iPads,

01:32:14 ◼   ► I care more about the price increase in dollars,

01:32:18 ◼   ► because that's what Apple is saying the product is worth.

01:32:21 ◼   ► The issue when you go outside of dollars, especially into Europe

01:32:25 ◼   ► into the UK right now is there is a lot of price changes because Apple is betting on

01:32:30 ◼   ► economy changes and I think that that's a different argument.

01:32:32 ◼   ► Well, do people necessarily care about that? Like it's still 2000 euros.

01:32:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, look, if the iPads say the same price in America and

01:32:43 ◼   ► different prices in Europe, then that's a different discussion because that's purely

01:32:48 ◼   ► based upon economic changes that Apple is trying to hedge against. So like, I think

01:32:53 ◼   ► the conversation is more interesting about like what is the price in dollars because

01:32:57 ◼   ► in theory that shouldn't change and because that's where Apple's based and they're

01:33:02 ◼   ► not potentially not hedging against any economic changes. So yes I know it's good, I know

01:33:07 ◼   ► everything's more expensive in the UK and Europe but that's been the case for all

01:33:10 ◼   ► Apple products over the last year. They're all getting more expensive because the economy's

01:33:15 ◼   ► really bad. Like I'm not saying it's not bad like it is bad like I just spent an obscene

01:33:20 ◼   ► amount of money on these things.

01:33:21 ◼   ► But I'm just saying that like they did put up the price in dollars.

01:33:25 ◼   ► And why did they do that?

01:33:26 ◼   ► Like that that's kind of because it's like that isn't a discussion,

01:33:29 ◼   ► which is slightly different to the discussion of putting prices up outside of the US.

01:33:34 ◼   ► I'm not discounting it.

01:33:36 ◼   ► I'm just saying it's different because they've been putting up prices in the

01:33:39 ◼   ► in outside of the US all year without changing the prices in the US,

01:33:43 ◼   ► like of all their products and also they're disproportionate.

01:33:46 ◼   ► So like what they're going up in percentage in the US is different

01:33:49 ◼   ► to outside of the US and there's reasons for that which is not just Apple putting up their

01:33:55 ◼   ► prices to increase ASP or whatever they're like doing that plus something different but

01:34:00 ◼   ► the iPad pros have gone up in price everywhere so I think that that is a more kind of pertinent

01:34:07 ◼   ► discussion to look at this iPad pro why have they made the iPad pro more expensive which is not just

01:34:13 ◼   ► their hedging against Brexit or whatever so that's a really long way of saying that the

01:34:19 ◼   ► that the iPad Pros are more expensive.

01:34:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't love it.

01:34:22 ◼   ► I think that this stuff should be accessible

01:34:26 ◼   ► to more people over time, not fewer people over time.

01:34:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I can look at these devices

01:34:32 ◼   ► and see why they're more expensive though.

01:34:34 ◼   ► Like I can look at it and be like, yeah okay, I see that.

01:34:36 ◼   ► - But they don't have to be.

01:34:37 ◼   ► Like they don't--

01:34:38 ◼   ► - Well, they don't, in theory.

01:34:42 ◼   ► - This is like a Tim Cook Apple kind of move.

01:34:45 ◼   ► And so something like the smart keyboard,

01:34:47 ◼   ► Okay, the new Smart Keyboard Folio has

01:34:50 ◼   ► a lot more material to it.

01:34:52 ◼   ► It's like $200, which is bonkers,

01:34:56 ◼   ► but I can see how they got there on that.

01:34:58 ◼   ► I can see it in some of the devices, like you can.

01:35:01 ◼   ► But my biggest problem is that,

01:35:04 ◼   ► it's not that I can't see how Apple justifies it,

01:35:07 ◼   ► but it's just like the core problem that this stuff,

01:35:11 ◼   ► if the iPad Pro is the future of Apple's computers,

01:35:15 ◼   ► then why is it $200 more than it used to be,

01:35:18 ◼   ► than it was two days ago?

01:35:19 ◼   ► - 200 does feel like a lot, right?

01:35:22 ◼   ► Like that does feel like a lot.

01:35:23 ◼   ► 100 I would be more like willing to understand.

01:35:25 ◼   ► 200 is a lot.

01:35:26 ◼   ► - On a product that's $1,000, $200 is a big percentage.

01:35:30 ◼   ► And yes, you can get like,

01:35:32 ◼   ► so like the 10.5 is still for sale at 649, I believe.

01:35:36 ◼   ► Like it's Apple's favorite move

01:35:37 ◼   ► is to make the old one cheap.

01:35:38 ◼   ► But it's a problem I have with that cheap iMac.

01:35:41 ◼   ► If someone buys the entry level of anything on Apple's line,

01:35:45 ◼   ► is that the lasting impression Apple wants to leave?

01:35:49 ◼   ► Is that product something that Apple can be proud of?

01:35:51 ◼   ► Now in the case of the 10.5 inch iPad Pro,

01:35:53 ◼   ► yes, it's still a really good iPad.

01:35:55 ◼   ► I'm actually gonna hold onto mine for a while

01:35:57 ◼   ► 'cause I haven't ordered an iPad.

01:35:58 ◼   ► But the Apple's like mantra of like things

01:36:03 ◼   ► just slowly ratchet up over time.

01:36:08 ◼   ► I don't like it 'cause I buy a bunch of the stuff.

01:36:10 ◼   ► I don't like it because every time they do it,

01:36:12 ◼   ► it forces some segment of their consumer base

01:36:16 ◼   ► either into a purchase they really can't afford

01:36:18 ◼   ► but they sort of figure it out or it pushes people out.

01:36:22 ◼   ► And it's just not a good look

01:36:24 ◼   ► for the world's wealthiest company

01:36:27 ◼   ► to continue to raise prices slowly over time.

01:36:31 ◼   ► Apple's not a charity.

01:36:33 ◼   ► Apple's stock price is based on ASP and on future growth.

01:36:39 ◼   ► And the way Apple sees growth is to make more money

01:36:43 ◼   ► and to do that.

01:36:44 ◼   ► And unless they're selling a lot more of these things,

01:36:46 ◼   ► they make the price go up.

01:36:47 ◼   ► So the people who buy them pay more,

01:36:50 ◼   ► they end up making more at the end of the quarter.

01:36:52 ◼   ► I understand that Apple has to do that

01:36:54 ◼   ► because they're a publicly traded company.

01:36:56 ◼   ► Like I'm not saying that Apple should like

01:36:57 ◼   ► make everything free and we should all like

01:37:00 ◼   ► get and live in commune with Tim Cook.

01:37:02 ◼   ► I'm not saying that.

01:37:04 ◼   ► What I am saying though is there is a middle ground

01:37:06 ◼   ► between those two things where Apple used to be

01:37:08 ◼   ► really good at, hey, we have this whole new thing,

01:37:11 ◼   ► you get all these new features,

01:37:13 ◼   ► it's the same price as it was yesterday.

01:37:14 ◼   ► Like, if you spend the same $800, you get--

01:37:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, that doesn't feel like it happens very much anymore.

01:37:20 ◼   ► - No, and I think it should.

01:37:22 ◼   ► Like, Apple stuff, Apple's always been doing

01:37:25 ◼   ► for being more expensive, and from time to time,

01:37:27 ◼   ► they try to fight that, and saying that,

01:37:30 ◼   ► oh, the iMac Pro costs this much,

01:37:33 ◼   ► if you build a Dell, it's $1,000 more.

01:37:35 ◼   ► Like, they sometimes get into that,

01:37:37 ◼   ► But the way you fix the perception problem

01:37:40 ◼   ► of being too pricey is like, keep the prices the same

01:37:43 ◼   ► when you make the products better.

01:37:45 ◼   ► And if that eats into your margin a little bit at first,

01:37:48 ◼   ► I think Apple should be more willing to do that.

01:37:50 ◼   ► And it just, it's frustrating

01:37:52 ◼   ► because it hurts their customers

01:37:54 ◼   ► and it's just like, that's just a bad look.

01:37:57 ◼   ► - 'Cause it's, again, it's like going back to my point

01:37:59 ◼   ► of like, I can see why it's more expensive, right?

01:38:01 ◼   ► Like they've made these like things,

01:38:04 ◼   ► they look more technically impressive.

01:38:06 ◼   ► Apple also chooses to make those

01:38:08 ◼   ► advancements. Right.

01:38:09 ◼   ► And then it could be argued that they

01:38:11 ◼   ► make them more technically impressive so

01:38:13 ◼   ► they can charge more money.

01:38:14 ◼   ► Right. Like it's like a

01:38:16 ◼   ► chicken and egg situation.

01:38:18 ◼   ► It is difficult.

01:38:19 ◼   ► It is a shame that we don't see

01:38:21 ◼   ► what you were saying.

01:38:24 ◼   ► Right. They're like and this one is

01:38:26 ◼   ► boom, the same price as the old one.

01:38:28 ◼   ► And then the old one gets cheaper and

01:38:30 ◼   ► it just that doesn't feel like it's

01:38:31 ◼   ► happening as much anymore.

01:38:34 ◼   ► I'm keen to see what happens to the average selling price because if the average selling

01:38:37 ◼   ► price goes up, then we'll know exactly what happened, right?

01:38:39 ◼   ► That like they're just trying to make more money.

01:38:41 ◼   ► Right.

01:38:42 ◼   ► Because like Apple, like we can say all this, but Apple hasn't been proven wrong yet.

01:38:47 ◼   ► Like the iPhone ASP, so we had this conversation with the iPhone 10, like holy cow, it's $1,000.

01:38:52 ◼   ► The ASP rose and people bought the iPhone 10.

01:38:55 ◼   ► So this year, the 10s and the 10s max and the 10r, that ASP is going to continue to

01:39:00 ◼   ► rise and- And if that happens and you're Tim Cook, what

01:39:03 ◼   ► are you gonna do? You're gonna keep doing it. You're gonna find where the limit is and Apple hasn't

01:39:08 ◼   ► hit that wall yet. Nope. At some point I believe that they will. Maybe this is the iPad that, maybe

01:39:15 ◼   ► the iPad wall is here. Maybe it's not. I wish they quit playing chicken with it and make products that

01:39:21 ◼   ► they can be proud of at all price points. Can we talk about the accessories? This new Apple Pencil

01:39:26 ◼   ► It's basically everything I wanted. I cannot believe that they have done all of the stuff that they have done in one go.

01:39:34 ◼   ► The matte finish excites me because I just think it will feel nicer. Can you confirm Federico Vittucci?

01:39:41 ◼   ► It does feel it does feel it does feel much nicer than the old one

01:39:45 ◼   ► It feels more

01:39:48 ◼   ► compact, less

01:39:52 ◼   ► I don't know, it feels like a more serious tool maybe than the old one.

01:39:56 ◼   ► Less like a toy, more like a functional tool that feels nicer in the hand. Yeah.

01:40:02 ◼   ► There were two features that I've wanted since the thing came out and I've set it basically from day

01:40:06 ◼   ► one. One was for it to be flat on the sides so it wouldn't roll away because the magnets was

01:40:12 ◼   ► a garbage idea of like the weighting in it. That was a silly idea, it's not true.

01:40:16 ◼   ► It doesn't stop it, it just doesn't stop it, right? Like it's a really fun thing to say

01:40:20 ◼   ► that you wait it so it won't roll but that's just not how physics works.

01:40:23 ◼   ► And I try to make it roll off the table. One flat side helps. I don't think it's still

01:40:30 ◼   ► as good as you would like it to be. It still rolls.

01:40:33 ◼   ► No, it will be. It will be. Because I understand the parameters of this because I have pens

01:40:36 ◼   ► that are just the same. It will roll but you have to roll it. But with one flat side, the

01:40:41 ◼   ► way that you would typically put it down, it won't roll. If you throw it at the table,

01:40:46 ◼   ► Yes, it's going to roll, but that's not what you're doing.

01:40:48 ◼   ► Right. So one flat side is exactly what I was looking for.

01:40:52 ◼   ► That was like the minimum of it.

01:40:55 ◼   ► So I'm super excited about that.

01:40:56 ◼   ► The other was to have a button.

01:40:58 ◼   ► Now, it doesn't have a button, but it doesn't.

01:41:00 ◼   ► The point is, I don't care about whether it has a button or not.

01:41:03 ◼   ► I care about what the button enables and what the button enables is functions.

01:41:08 ◼   ► So in Notes, you can switch tools.

01:41:10 ◼   ► But the thing that I'm most excited about is what developers can do with it,

01:41:13 ◼   ► which is basically anything they want.

01:41:15 ◼   ► and this is a quote from Federico's Hands-On article.

01:41:18 ◼   ► Federico Vittucci says, "In my Hands-On demo,

01:41:20 ◼   ► "I was shown an upcoming version of Procreate

01:41:22 ◼   ► "with a radial contextual menu

01:41:23 ◼   ► "that appeared upon double-tapping the pencil.

01:41:26 ◼   ► "This is my dream.

01:41:27 ◼   ► "This is everything I wanted."

01:41:28 ◼   ► - So the way this works is you're gonna have in settings

01:41:31 ◼   ► some options to set the behavior

01:41:33 ◼   ► of the double-tap gesture on the pencil.

01:41:35 ◼   ► You can choose to switch between the tool and the eraser.

01:41:40 ◼   ► You can choose to switch between two recently used tools

01:41:45 ◼   ► and also you can choose to show the color palette.

01:41:49 ◼   ► And the way this works for developers, they can either implement the system setting, so

01:41:54 ◼   ► if you make a drawing app and you have an eraser, you can read the system-wide setting

01:42:00 ◼   ► and conform to that.

01:42:03 ◼   ► Or you can override the system setting and you can provide your own functionalities.

01:42:08 ◼   ► This is what Procreate does.

01:42:11 ◼   ► like, oh, do what the system does or do literally whatever you want.

01:42:15 ◼   ► I kind of like that choice.

01:42:18 ◼   ► Procreate had a toggle in its own settings

01:42:21 ◼   ► that basically confirmed if you wanted to enable the custom Procreate

01:42:28 ◼   ► double tap feature, which is this radial menu that you double tap on the pencil

01:42:32 ◼   ► and you get this menu pop up in the on the screen with some options.

01:42:36 ◼   ► It's very nice.

01:42:38 ◼   ► 'cause even in Photoshop they showed the double tap being zoom in and zoom out.

01:42:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly. It's a custom thing. - Which is not, you know, that's all custom.

01:42:43 ◼   ► So I can't wait to see, I cannot wait to see what you do with it.

01:42:47 ◼   ► Like I'm super excited about what might happen to some of these apps that use the Apple Pencil.

01:42:52 ◼   ► I hope that apps that aren't even necessarily Apple Pencil focused add this functionality as well.

01:42:57 ◼   ► - Totally. - Because you can do stuff there.

01:43:00 ◼   ► It's basically like a right click.

01:43:01 ◼   ► It's a right click and I feel like the fact that it's now so easy to carry around the Pencil

01:43:08 ◼   ► because it just snaps to the top of the iPad,

01:43:10 ◼   ► which by the way, it's very satisfying to do.

01:43:13 ◼   ► It's gonna be more, I think it's gonna be more present

01:43:18 ◼   ► in an everyday workflow than the old Pencil

01:43:21 ◼   ► that needed management.

01:43:22 ◼   ► This one doesn't mean--

01:43:23 ◼   ► - Especially because it charges now too.

01:43:25 ◼   ► - It also charges and you get the pop-up on the screen,

01:43:28 ◼   ► the little message that just zoot-sy--

01:43:31 ◼   ► - That little pop-up, that looks to me

01:43:34 ◼   ► like future iOS design.

01:43:35 ◼   ► - I know, right?

01:43:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:43:37 ◼   ► webOS is what it looks like. It looks like webOS, yes. But there's something about it

01:43:41 ◼   ► where it's like, there's no other part of iOS that looks like that. Exactly. And it's

01:43:45 ◼   ► almost like, it reminds me of some of the AirPower stuff, right, like the way that charging

01:43:50 ◼   ► was shown for AirPower, rest in peace. So it's really gone. It's really gone for good.

01:43:55 ◼   ► It looks, it's gone. It's dead, right? Like it's 100% dead. The charging pad that shall

01:44:00 ◼   ► not be named. It's never coming. But like, I see that, it's like, oh okay, that's interesting.

01:44:05 ◼   ► It's just this little pop up like this little bubble.

01:44:07 ◼   ► It's very cool.

01:44:09 ◼   ► But the fact that it magnetically attaches is the thing.

01:44:12 ◼   ► That is not going to be a permanent attachment.

01:44:14 ◼   ► It won't fall off, but it will fall off.

01:44:16 ◼   ► So it's just something to remember.

01:44:17 ◼   ► Like you put it in and out of a bag, it's probably going to come off.

01:44:20 ◼   ► But that's okay, right?

01:44:21 ◼   ► Because you're not going to lose the cap because there's no cap.

01:44:25 ◼   ► No, you're going to, it's going to be like where you would expect it to be.

01:44:31 ◼   ► But I think it's cool that they've added it.

01:44:33 ◼   ► The inductive charging is amazing.

01:44:35 ◼   ► So, you know, I got these two things that I really wanted,

01:44:37 ◼   ► but the magnetic attachment and inductive charging never expected that.

01:44:41 ◼   ► Like I didn't think they'd ever do the magnetic attachment

01:44:43 ◼   ► because it's a difficult thing to do.

01:44:45 ◼   ► And inductive charging seems like Apple pencil four, honestly,

01:44:48 ◼   ► rather than Apple pencil two.

01:44:50 ◼   ► I'm really excited about this.

01:44:52 ◼   ► This is going to this is going to make me use the Apple pencil

01:44:55 ◼   ► even more than I was already using it, honestly.

01:44:57 ◼   ► And I'm super excited about it.

01:44:59 ◼   ► I feel like I don't need any of my customizations anymore.

01:45:03 ◼   ► I don't need something to hold it on because Apple's done that for me, and I don't need to add my grip to it because

01:45:08 ◼   ► the Apple Pencil won't roll away anymore. So I would still love to see them make it out of aluminium,

01:45:13 ◼   ► but that's just a dream, like some pipe dream of mine. I'm really excited for the Apple Pencil.

01:45:17 ◼   ► Let's talk about the new keyboard real quick because I have thoughts.

01:45:21 ◼   ► So the new iPad Pro doesn't have a smart keyboard,

01:45:26 ◼   ► it's got a smart keyboard folio, which is, as the name suggests,

01:45:31 ◼   ► It's a smart keyboard with a folio case that wraps around the back of the iPad.

01:45:36 ◼   ► It aligns and attaches to the iPad thanks to the hundred and something magnets that

01:45:41 ◼   ► are built into the iPad.

01:45:43 ◼   ► And it's a lot of magnets inside.

01:45:47 ◼   ► It looked to me like it was the process of attaching it and removing it was a bit more

01:45:52 ◼   ► involved than the old smart keyboard.

01:45:55 ◼   ► Like of course there's an extra layer of the case that you need to manage, but maybe it's

01:46:00 ◼   ► something that you get used to quickly. It supports two viewing angles. So there's a

01:46:06 ◼   ► desktop mode where it's got this steep angle that sort of sits right in front of your face

01:46:12 ◼   ► in theory, and vertical angle. And there's a laptop mode that is more, you know, the

01:46:18 ◼   ► angle is more ideal for using the iPad on your lap. And in theory, the structure of

01:46:25 ◼   ► of the folio case should help with laptop use.

01:46:28 ◼   ► I am disappointed though, that all the things

01:46:32 ◼   ► that I want an Apple to do have not been done

01:46:36 ◼   ► in this product.

01:46:37 ◼   ► The keys are not backlit.

01:46:40 ◼   ► So still the same setup with the fabric covering the keys

01:46:45 ◼   ► without backlight at all.

01:46:48 ◼   ► - I will say, thankfully, it doesn't seem like

01:46:49 ◼   ► they've changed the keys.

01:46:50 ◼   ► - Doesn't seem like, I think it's the exact same cover,

01:46:54 ◼   ► exact same keys. No media function keys at all. There's no Siri key, there's no

01:47:00 ◼   ► home button key, of course, because it's gone. There's no, but not even the media

01:47:06 ◼   ► playback keys that I love on my Brydge keyboard. Those are not in the Smart

01:47:11 ◼   ► Keyboard. But I kind of like it, you know, it doesn't add a ton of bulk to the

01:47:20 ◼   ► iPad Pro. I'm gonna get it at first because I have to, because there's no other option.

01:47:29 ◼   ► You need a keyboard, right? I need a keyboard. I am concerned that the,

01:47:34 ◼   ► basically the lack of bezels will make it, if not impossible, really hard for companies

01:47:39 ◼   ► like Bridge to make the same setup that we have now with the two clips and the hinge

01:47:46 ◼   ► that basically hold the iPad in place. Yeah. I'm hoping they could have something

01:47:50 ◼   ► it just clamps to the side rather than hinges to the front.

01:47:53 ◼   ► I guess that's what they're gonna do but to the side there's a two depth camera so I don't

01:47:58 ◼   ► know maybe they can figure something out. Not that high up though, like you could do

01:48:01 ◼   ► a smaller man. I mean I'm concerned for Brydge because I don't think either of their keyboards

01:48:06 ◼   ► are gonna work and they're just shipped a new one.

01:48:08 ◼   ► I'm just surprised. Apple, this company Apple, I mean they like money, that's a takeaway

01:48:16 ◼   ► from. That's a takeaway from this discussion that this company likes their growing, you

01:48:23 ◼   ► know, the raising prices and money, which is fine because it's a public company. It's

01:48:28 ◼   ► what they do. I'm surprised they're not asking for like $400 to make an aluminum keyboard

01:48:35 ◼   ► that is backlit as a bunch of stuff. I would give you that money because my, I just lean

01:48:41 ◼   ► into the green. I mean, at this point, sure, I'll throw you a couple hundred

01:48:45 ◼   ► extra bucks, but give me an actual keyboard that is backlit and that I can

01:48:50 ◼   ► attach to my iPad because I'm going to buy the smart keyboard. I'm not going to

01:48:54 ◼   ► love it. I already know that I'm not going to love it. I'm going to cover it

01:48:57 ◼   ► in stickers, which is fine. Adds a bit of flair to the iPad. And also Myke is

01:49:01 ◼   ► going to be happy. Why is it just in one color? I know. I know. I just, yeah,

01:49:06 ◼   ► Please, Apple, you seem to have an appreciation for money, which I understand.

01:49:11 ◼   ► Help me help you give you more money by making a more expensive premium keyboard.

01:49:20 ◼   ► That's great.

01:49:22 ◼   ► The smart keyboard now has its own web page on the Apple site.

01:49:27 ◼   ► I'm not sure if it did before.

01:49:29 ◼   ► It did.

01:49:30 ◼   ► But skimming through this, this feels like how Microsoft treats the Surface keyboards.

01:49:35 ◼   ► It's kind of its own product.

01:49:37 ◼   ► Obviously it doesn't do anything unless you buy the tablet.

01:49:39 ◼   ► But they are really leaning into the features of this thing.

01:49:44 ◼   ► And like I said, there's just not that many new features.

01:49:47 ◼   ► I kind of like that it covers the back and the front.

01:49:49 ◼   ► I think it looks really nice.

01:49:51 ◼   ► I think it would actually look better with the silver than the space gray.

01:49:55 ◼   ► I think the contrast would be nice.

01:49:57 ◼   ► But yeah, have some options.

01:49:59 ◼   ► Have one with the trackpad.

01:50:00 ◼   ► Have one with the backlit keyboard.

01:50:01 ◼   ► Microsoft does both in their Surface keyboard covers.

01:50:05 ◼   ► clearly possible. My hope for this is just that, so my pipe dream situation is

01:50:12 ◼   ► that they haven't made this product because they haven't got trackpad

01:50:16 ◼   ► support in iOS yet and when they do, they'll be a different product.

01:50:20 ◼   ► This is just the one between then and now. I'm gonna miss the

01:50:24 ◼   ► wraparound for the media, so you can stand it up, you know? Where you can

01:50:30 ◼   ► wrap the whole keyboard around, just set it up. Did you ever have that work? That's

01:50:33 ◼   ► always really floppy to me. I use it all the time. It's always funny on a 10.5 because

01:50:39 ◼   ► the angle is basically completely vertical, which always feels like it's going to explode

01:50:44 ◼   ► and just fall over but it never happened to me. I know that's why they have the two angles,

01:50:50 ◼   ► right? So one of them is like, they call it desktop, but it's also so you can watch stuff,

01:50:54 ◼   ► right? So it's like it's more up. But then the keyboard is always in front, which isn't

01:50:58 ◼   ► necessarily what I want. They do sell a smart folio, which does this, right? But I don't

01:51:06 ◼   ► really want that. But at least it comes in pink, so you know, great news. Pink and white

01:51:13 ◼   ► and grey in that one. But I am excited for this smart keyboard though, I'm excited for

01:51:18 ◼   ► all of it. And we're getting next Wednesday! We're one week away. So maybe next week's

01:51:24 ◼   ► episode well okay so I've bought all of it

01:51:29 ◼   ► Steven do you haven't bought any have you I just bought a Mac mini no iPad

01:51:33 ◼   ► stuff I think it is best for you to actually try them first because you'll

01:51:37 ◼   ► buy one and return it and buy the other one so I think you need to let go to an

01:51:40 ◼   ► Apple Store and actually hold them I want to see it I'm right now I'm leaning

01:51:44 ◼   ► to the 12 9 I bought the 10 5 and I feel like that I want more screen but yeah I

01:51:51 ◼   ► I want to see it in person.

01:51:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'd been waiting for these though.

01:51:54 ◼   ► Like I, you know, this is, this was my big computer

01:51:57 ◼   ► purchase of the year, so I'm excited.

01:51:59 ◼   ► Federico, have you wanted anything yet?

01:52:01 ◼   ► I know you've been on planes.

01:52:02 ◼   ► - Not yet.

01:52:03 ◼   ► I just came back home and I'm looking into what I,

01:52:08 ◼   ► what I want right now into what,

01:52:10 ◼   ► do I want the one-terabyte model?

01:52:12 ◼   ► Do I want maybe something less?

01:52:14 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:52:15 ◼   ► I'm oriented towards the one-terabyte model.

01:52:17 ◼   ► Also the dates have already slipped at this point.

01:52:21 ◼   ► So I was busy yesterday then I got on a plane and I realized you know

01:52:26 ◼   ► I I'm probably gonna try to walk into the store and see what they have

01:52:30 ◼   ► If possible, I'm sure they'll have them like I don't think it's gonna be

01:52:35 ◼   ► These iPad pros in Rome

01:52:39 ◼   ► It took all day for the dates to slip to the next so exactly there's going to be some in-store stock

01:52:46 ◼   ► I'm sure so so let's hope for in-store stock. Let's hope that Myke's home delivery comes quickly

01:52:52 ◼   ► I couldn't do in-store pickup for these it just wouldn't let me which is I hate it because I hate waiting at home for stuff

01:52:58 ◼   ► Like this, but then hopefully we'll have them to talk about next week and Steven. Will you have your Mac mini?

01:53:03 ◼   ► It is I have it coming on the 7th now that X is usually late in the day

01:53:09 ◼   ► So I may not have it by the time we record

01:53:11 ◼   ► But I don't see just looking at the date so that the MacBook Air is starting to slip a little bit

01:53:15 ◼   ► but the Mac Mini is still shipping on the 7th.

01:53:17 ◼   ► Nice, nice.

01:53:19 ◼   ► Good job Mac Mini.

01:53:21 ◼   ► I feel like the Mac Mini is one of those things

01:53:23 ◼   ► they're gonna sell the vast majority of them in the first quarter.

01:53:27 ◼   ► Right? Like everyone who's wanted one.

01:53:29 ◼   ► It's one of those things where I think

01:53:31 ◼   ► there were more people that were concerned about it being available than will actually buy it.

01:53:35 ◼   ► Sure.

01:53:37 ◼   ► Which is kind of like a funny thing.

01:53:39 ◼   ► Everyone was like "Come on, you gotta update it!"

01:53:41 ◼   ► but no one's really gonna buy it.

01:53:43 ◼   ► - Sometimes people in the Apple community

01:53:45 ◼   ► are upset on principle.

01:53:47 ◼   ► Like with that,

01:53:48 ◼   ► - Yes, the principle.

01:53:49 ◼   ► - Like why are you not updating the Mac Mimi?

01:53:51 ◼   ► Well, they did.

01:53:52 ◼   ► Are you buying one?

01:53:53 ◼   ► No, I'm not.

01:53:54 ◼   ► - No, what am I crazy?

01:53:56 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:53:57 ◼   ► - I bought one.

01:53:58 ◼   ► I'm in the chosen few.

01:54:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're doing your duty, right?