Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 207.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It is made possible this week by our sponsors,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Casper, Pingdom, and Green Chef.

00:00:17 ◼   ► I'm your host, Stephen Hackett,

00:00:18 ◼   ► and I am joined again by the two co-hosts of Connected.

00:00:21 ◼   ► We're all back together two weeks in a row.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Up first, we have Federico Vittucci.

00:00:25 ◼   ► - Hey, how you doing?

00:00:27 ◼   ► - I'm great.

00:00:29 ◼   ► I'm glad you're here and we have Myke Hurley.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - It's a new day, here we are.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - It's a new day, it's a new.

00:00:35 ◼   ► That's a song, right?

00:00:37 ◼   ► That's totally a song. - Yeah, I'm feeling good.

00:00:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Well, I want to, we need to clarify something

00:00:43 ◼   ► before we do the show.

00:00:44 ◼   ► People were worried about me.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Someone even thought that I was drunk on the show.

00:00:51 ◼   ► - Well, no, I don't think they thought you were drunk,

00:00:52 ◼   ► they thought you were hungover.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - Oh, okay, yeah, hungover, okay.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - Which is slightly different, you know?

00:00:56 ◼   ► Yeah, but I just had a cold. I don't know if you can still feel the last bits of the cold,

00:01:05 ◼   ► which is basically gone at this point, I'm doing much much better, but it was just a cold.

00:01:09 ◼   ► I don't drink before podcasts, that's not professional, you know?

00:01:15 ◼   ► -And especially... -I think you did one time.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Did I?

00:01:19 ◼   ► If I cast my memory back, I am very confident there was an episode of

00:01:23 ◼   ► at least the prompt where you were drinking wine.

00:01:26 ◼   ► I was drinking wine but I was not drunk. That's different.

00:01:30 ◼   ► Yeah, but this is one of those things where it's like, you were also a little bit looser

00:01:36 ◼   ► than usual. I remember this. I don't know what episode it was and I probably would never

00:01:41 ◼   ► find it, but there was an episode where you were drinking wine and you were having a little

00:01:45 ◼   ► bit of a holiday party I think.

00:01:47 ◼   ► Well, even if I was a hangover you wouldn't know because you wouldn't notice. I'm very

00:01:51 ◼   ► professional like that with my drinking. So maybe, maybe, maybe I've done many episodes

00:01:58 ◼   ► of Connected and I was hungover and you didn't know.

00:02:01 ◼   ► You would never know.

00:02:04 ◼   ► Last week I just had a cold. So thank you for warning about me but I'm fine, I think.

00:02:11 ◼   ► Moving on, can we do follow up?

00:02:14 ◼   ► I'm glad you're okay.

00:02:16 ◼   ► Last week we were speaking about the Aqua Screenshot Library put together and we talked

00:02:20 ◼   ► about how I wanted…

00:02:21 ◼   ► world-famous, internet-famous Aqua Screenshot Library.

00:02:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it's done many hundreds of thousands of page views.

00:02:29 ◼   ► I knew you before your Aqua Screenshot Library, so don't forget about us.

00:02:35 ◼   ► I knew Aqua before it became famous.

00:02:38 ◼   ► Do you feel, I will ask you, because I'll just say this has been linked all over the

00:02:43 ◼   ► web this week.

00:02:44 ◼   ► It's like, when you look back at it, it's like this is one of those perfect little things

00:02:48 ◼   ► that when a big website needs a link for the day, it's like perfect food for that, right?

00:02:56 ◼   ► Because it was on Lifehacker and stuff where it's like they need something interesting

00:02:59 ◼   ► to link to today and someone had found this and they're like, "This is perfect."

00:03:04 ◼   ► It's one of those, it's like candy for these bigger websites, which I think is probably

00:03:09 ◼   ► why it's getting linked to everywhere and doing hundreds of thousands of page views,

00:03:12 ◼   ► right? In hindsight, it's like, "Oh yeah, this is perfect for that," which is the same

00:03:16 ◼   ► as the desktop wallpapers. Same idea, right? Like, these things are very interesting to

00:03:21 ◼   ► nerds, so big websites find them, they find them interesting, and then they put it in

00:03:26 ◼   ► their selection to link to later on, which is great. Does the fact that it has done hundreds

00:03:31 ◼   ► and thousands of page views now in like a week make it feel like it was worth the time

00:03:38 ◼   ► investment to you?

00:03:40 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. Since it was so well received, and I haven't gotten to all of them, but I

00:03:45 ◼   ► I have a bunch of emails and tweets from people like sharing like,

00:03:49 ◼   ► Oh, I forgot about this. Oh, I ran this on my first computer.

00:03:52 ◼   ► Like people are like genuinely like connecting with it, which is what I wanted.

00:03:57 ◼   ► But you, you know, we've all done this, right?

00:03:58 ◼   ► You just never know if it's actually going to work.

00:04:00 ◼   ► So I'm pumped. I liked your pump. Oh yeah. The connected thing. That's good.

00:04:05 ◼   ► You know what I haven't actually done yet is look through tiger,

00:04:08 ◼   ► which was my first, my first version. I'm like, I'm flicking through it now.

00:04:12 ◼   ► haven't even thought about that. Look at these icons. Ah, iTunes was green! Yeah, the

00:04:18 ◼   ► iTunes icon has changed a bunch over the years. Oh gosh, brush metal, brush metal. I

00:04:22 ◼   ► always forget about it until I see it and I'm like, oh god, there it is.

00:04:27 ◼   ► I always get confused between Cheetah and the other with the

00:04:34 ◼   ► name that's like a shoe brand. Puma? Yeah. I always get confused. Which came first?

00:04:41 ◼   ► Cheetah, Cheetah was the first one right? Yes I'm loading it now. I've looked at it

00:04:47 ◼   ► too much I don't actually know. Yes Cheetah was 10-0, Puma was 10-1. 10-1 okay yeah.

00:04:53 ◼   ► Why is the calculator made out of metal? Why isn't it? Why shouldn't it be? I feel

00:04:59 ◼   ► like that it would like you press the buttons and they would like maybe

00:05:03 ◼   ► scratch a little bit you know. It makes it really heavy like it feels good in the hand.

00:05:07 ◼   ► So yeah, it's done well.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Which is really exciting.

00:05:12 ◼   ► You chose Songs of Innocence as the album!

00:05:15 ◼   ► I did!

00:05:16 ◼   ► That's very good!

00:05:18 ◼   ► That's very good, I'm ruining all your Easter eggs now.

00:05:21 ◼   ► That's probably the biggest Easter egg, honestly.

00:05:23 ◼   ► That's very good.

00:05:24 ◼   ► No, no, no, no.

00:05:25 ◼   ► The best Easter egg is you.

00:05:28 ◼   ► In the, uh, in the FaceTime booth.

00:05:33 ◼   ► That's the best.

00:05:34 ◼   ► There are some incredible pictures here.

00:05:35 ◼   ► I haven't looked at any release in as much depth as I'm looking at this one where I'm

00:05:39 ◼   ► looking at every image. So now I'm noticing all of the things I've kind of just like perused

00:05:44 ◼   ► through, you know, but now I'm looking at like keyboard and mouse preferences, which

00:05:48 ◼   ► I wouldn't necessarily look at. But here I am now going through all of this. And it's

00:05:53 ◼   ► funny because I probably look to all of this, right? Because I was so interested in that

00:06:02 ◼   ► can probably like my you know my first Mac I was more interested in than any

00:06:06 ◼   ► other computer right like I wanted to look at everything and see what

00:06:09 ◼   ► everything did because I was new to it right so I would go in and I probably

00:06:13 ◼   ► would have spent a little bit of time in like date and time system preferences

00:06:19 ◼   ► for whatever reason just like what is this what's in here so yeah this is nice

00:06:23 ◼   ► I'm pleased that you did this project and I am very very happy that it's

00:06:26 ◼   ► getting a lot of attention but you do have some things that you're working on

00:06:30 ◼   ► with it though right? I do so I we mentioned last week I wanted to have the

00:06:35 ◼   ► inclusion of a page where you could compare a single image across all of its

00:06:40 ◼   ► releases like what did like the main screen assistant preferences look from

00:06:44 ◼   ► the public beta all the way through High Sierra. Which is a super important thing

00:06:48 ◼   ► for the project right like it makes sense for like if people are looking at

00:06:55 ◼   ► this for historical purposes which they ultimately will end up doing that you

00:07:00 ◼   ► would want to be like what happened to calendar all the way across like yes

00:07:05 ◼   ► important to see yeah absolutely and I had an example of that in the blog post

00:07:09 ◼   ► but I hand-built that gallery and I needed a way to do this programmatically

00:07:13 ◼   ► because with 1500 screenshots it was already a lot of work to do what's up

00:07:17 ◼   ► there now and in starting to build those manuals like very quickly without a hand

00:07:22 ◼   ► and so I just said on the show if anyone is WordPress dev maybe knows how I could

00:07:28 ◼   ► this get in touch and a couple people emailed me but I owe a big thanks to Warren Harding,

00:07:33 ◼   ► not the dead president turns out. He's a really nice guy in Australia.

00:07:36 ◼   ► That's really exciting for a second man.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Yeah he's not dead he's just been learning PHP all these years.

00:07:42 ◼   ► Maybe he should have been dead.

00:07:45 ◼   ► Please email Federico directly about that comment.

00:07:53 ◼   ► PHP is a fate worse than death.

00:07:56 ◼   ► So, Warren has built me a tool to do this, and I hope to get this rolled out in conjunction

00:08:04 ◼   ► with the Mojave screenshots coming up.

00:08:07 ◼   ► But it's working in beta, and it does what I want it to do.

00:08:10 ◼   ► So I know Warren's a listener, so thank you again.

00:08:13 ◼   ► Thank you to everyone who emailed and I talked with Warren, picked up the ball and ran with

00:08:18 ◼   ► it.

00:08:19 ◼   ► And it's really great, and I'm excited to roll it out.

00:08:20 ◼   ► So keep an eye out for that.

00:08:21 ◼   ► I'll be sure to talk about it here.

00:08:23 ◼   ► It's really, it's gonna be cool.

00:08:26 ◼   ► So I'm gonna have it as a single page

00:08:27 ◼   ► where you can go in and compare screenshots.

00:08:30 ◼   ► Select the one you want and look through all the releases.

00:08:32 ◼   ► But I got some metadata stuff to deal with

00:08:35 ◼   ► to get it all to work, so.

00:08:36 ◼   ► - I really like how you say that name, by the way.

00:08:40 ◼   ► - What?

00:08:41 ◼   ► - Warren.

00:08:42 ◼   ► - Warren, yeah, there's not, there's no,

00:08:44 ◼   ► there's just one long letter, really.

00:08:45 ◼   ► - It's just one sound, it's just a sound.

00:08:47 ◼   ► - Warren.

00:08:48 ◼   ► - I guess I would say Warren, right?

00:08:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, I can't do that.

00:08:50 ◼   ► - Like, Johnnie Kavula, Warren.

00:08:52 ◼   ► - Warren. - Warren.

00:08:52 ◼   ► Warren Hart. Warren Harting. Thanks, Warren. Thank you, Warren. Warren, I'm expecting Warren

00:09:03 ◼   ► is very happy right now. We apologize for ruining it. I mean, he's alive, so he must

00:09:08 ◼   ► be happy. And learning PHP. Oh, boy. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to the library updates.

00:09:21 ◼   ► I've played around with the exclusive beta and I'm pleased that you're taking steps to

00:09:28 ◼   ► improve because I mean, of course we're joking about PHP, but the fact that for historical

00:09:36 ◼   ► purposes people are going to use this resource, which is a horrible word, but it is what it

00:09:40 ◼   ► is and several years from now, if you keep it up to date, people will use it and it will

00:09:46 ◼   ► become like a destination when you, you know, when you search for, what's the name of that

00:09:52 ◼   ► website that used to exist? Sort of had a thing similar to yours, but I don't think

00:09:58 ◼   ► it's updated anymore. I don't think the website still exists.

00:10:00 ◼   ► There was like, there was like GUI library.

00:10:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm thinking of guidebook, but with the logo was like GUI, something like that.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. That's, that's what it is.

00:10:11 ◼   ► So if you can sort of turn your screenshot library into this sort of modern version of

00:10:17 ◼   ► that, I think that will be great.

00:10:19 ◼   ► So I'm really happy that you're continuing to update it, and I was really happy to see

00:10:23 ◼   ► it linked in a bunch of places.

00:10:25 ◼   ► I have to apologize to you, Stephen, though, that I didn't look on Italian websites, because

00:10:31 ◼   ► I really don't follow them.

00:10:33 ◼   ► So you may have been linked on a bunch of Italian blogs, but I wouldn't know, because

00:10:37 ◼   ► I don't read them.

00:10:38 ◼   ► I think it was on Sunday, one of the big referrals was a couple of websites in Russia, which

00:10:42 ◼   ► was exciting. I tried reading them with Google Translate and it struggled.

00:10:46 ◼   ► But they seemed to like it.

00:10:47 ◼   ► We could have had a Frederick Tendrils moment with you.

00:10:50 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. They seemed happy with it in Russian. So, it's good.

00:10:55 ◼   ► Yeah. I hear they're happy with the Americans lately.

00:11:02 ◼   ► Swiftly moving on. Thank you to everybody who has become a Relay FM member. We will

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00:11:13 ◼   ► about the wonderful movie, The Pirates of Silicon Valley, so you can tune in to hear

00:11:18 ◼   ► what I think is going to be pretty varied reviews from all of us, so that's going to

00:11:22 ◼   ► be a lot of fun.

00:11:23 ◼   ► And I'm hoping that you will also hear, because we are actually recording that today, so this

00:11:28 ◼   ► is why I'm talking about it, like it's, I don't know what's happened yet, because I

00:11:31 ◼   ► don't.

00:11:32 ◼   ► I'm hoping that Steven will be able to provide some historical context and an accuracy rating

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00:11:56 ◼   ► Last week we mentioned the app Opener, and I think this was in context of opening a Twitter

00:12:01 ◼   ► link in tweetbot?

00:12:04 ◼   ► It was to open a twitter link in the twitter app.

00:12:08 ◼   ► So in tweet terrific and tweetbot now, you can no longer find out who liked to tweet

00:12:14 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:12:15 ◼   ► So this is a way that if you open in the share extension the link to the tweet, you can then

00:12:22 ◼   ► have it automatically default to open in twitter or any other app that you so choose.

00:12:28 ◼   ► So do we actually need opener for this?

00:12:30 ◼   ► We had some feedback that maybe you could do it other ways.

00:12:33 ◼   ► Well, yeah, there's a—we got an email or a tweet—I think it was a tweet—about the

00:12:40 ◼   ► fact that there's a—in the Twitter—actually, in the Tweetbot app or in the Twitter app,

00:12:46 ◼   ► there's an "Open in Safari" sort of activity item as an action extension, but it's not

00:12:54 ◼   ► really an action extension because it's not available in other apps.

00:12:57 ◼   ► still the idea that you can open in Safari from Tweetbot and by doing that you will be

00:13:04 ◼   ► redirected to the Twitter app because iOS uses universal links, so instead of opening

00:13:10 ◼   ► the link in Safari you will be taken into the Twitter app because the system sees the

00:13:15 ◼   ► Twitter.com link and it says "well, you have the Twitter app installed so instead of opening

00:13:20 ◼   ► Safari in a webview I will take you to that tweet inside of the native client".

00:13:27 ◼   ► That seems to be working for some people, but speaking from personal experience, this

00:13:32 ◼   ► is an unreliable solution.

00:13:34 ◼   ► It is so random.

00:13:36 ◼   ► It seems so random that sometimes I open a link, and this happens with Twitter, this

00:13:41 ◼   ► happens with YouTube, it happens with Safari View Controller sometimes, other times it

00:13:46 ◼   ► doesn't, but Universal Links, as much as I kind of like the concept of the link is tied

00:13:53 ◼   ► to a page inside of a native app, the implementation in iOS so far has been unreliable for me.

00:14:03 ◼   ► I don't know what the issue is. I don't know if something perhaps changed since Universal

00:14:09 ◼   ► Links were introduced with iOS 9, that would be three years ago, four releases ago. But

00:14:16 ◼   ► I prefer to use OpenR because it always works and I know what I'm doing. So it's an extra

00:14:21 ◼   ► tap, actually not if you're using AutoOpen, which I described last week, but yes, you

00:14:27 ◼   ► would need to have OpenAir installed. But in my experience, using OpenAir is much more

00:14:31 ◼   ► reliable than sort of the lottery of universal links, and also it allows you to open links

00:14:37 ◼   ► in many other third-party alternatives, not just the official clients. So back in the

00:14:44 ◼   ► day when ProTube was available, the excellent YouTube client that is not available anymore,

00:14:51 ◼   ► I used Opener to open YouTube links in ProTube and that was amazing. But I still use Opener

00:14:58 ◼   ► for a bunch of other types of links, including, you know, Tweetbot and Twitterific for example

00:15:04 ◼   ► are options that Universal links do not support. So this may work for you, or may not. If it

00:15:11 ◼   ► doesn't I seriously recommend trying out Opener. Yeah I've been very happy with it

00:15:17 ◼   ► I like it a lot it's a great little app and it's good to set up with other

00:15:21 ◼   ► things right so as you're saying like YouTube and stuff like that because if

00:15:26 ◼   ► YouTube opens in Safari View Controller it's never signed in anymore right so

00:15:31 ◼   ► then I have that whole problem but then I try and sign in and then it opens the

00:15:35 ◼   ► YouTube app and I'm not where I want to be because you know like I see a see a

00:15:39 ◼   ► video and I add it to my watch later queue or whatever and it's just never it

00:15:41 ◼   ► just doesn't work the way I want it to so with opener I don't have to worry

00:15:45 ◼   ► about this stuff because it can just pass the URLs over to the application

00:15:48 ◼   ► and open it where I need so I understand yes it would be wonderful if universal

00:15:53 ◼   ► linking did this accurately and if it does for you then awesome but I have

00:15:58 ◼   ► found that is not the case so that's why I am enjoying the use of opener very

00:16:03 ◼   ► much in our post API destruction world.

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00:17:58 ◼   ► Alright, so there is an update out today for the application DUE. All these apps have names

00:18:07 ◼   ► that when I say them they all sound the same.

00:18:09 ◼   ► Not called DUE, like do something. It's DUE.

00:18:15 ◼   ► DUE.

00:18:16 ◼   ► Can you say that again, Steven? What's the name?

00:18:19 ◼   ► No. They all sound the same. Do, do, do. That's D-O-D-U-E and D-E-W. They all sound the same.

00:18:26 ◼   ► Don't forget, teux, D-E-U-X, D-E-U-X. That's my favorite of all the bad names.

00:18:31 ◼   ► That's the French one, "tadour." Is that how you say it?

00:18:34 ◼   ► "Tadour." I think that's how it's pronounced.

00:18:36 ◼   ► "Tadour."

00:18:37 ◼   ► "Tadour."

00:18:38 ◼   ► "Tadour."

00:18:39 ◼   ► "Tadour."

00:18:40 ◼   ► You know, I can't remember what it's called, but what is it called? Like, is it the title

00:18:43 ◼   ► of a web page, you know, like you can hover over the top and see like the, it has like

00:18:49 ◼   ► the name. You know what I'm talking about, the little description in the web page. I'm

00:18:53 ◼   ► trying to think. All right. So yeah, you might be able to help me here. When, when we click

00:19:01 ◼   ► the bookmark clip that adds a link to the CMS. Yes. And it prefills that field that

00:19:06 ◼   ► says Ty Tool. What is that called on a website? I don't know. Let me see.

00:19:14 ◼   ► But okay, the reason I'm saying this is that in trying to add the TÜR DÜR website to the

00:19:20 ◼   ► show notes, their description is "TÜR DÜR, what DÜR DÜR have TÜR DÜR TÜR DÜR?"

00:19:26 ◼   ► which I think is friggin hilarious. Check the show notes, it will be in there. I think that

00:19:30 ◼   ► they very much lean into their silly branding, which I like very much. But what is it called?

00:19:36 ◼   ► Like you can get that...

00:19:38 ◼   ► Like the page title?

00:19:40 ◼   ► Yeah, the webpage title.

00:19:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:43 ◼   ► Right? That's what I said, but everyone laughed at me.

00:19:45 ◼   ► How does... Oh, so that... You were just trying to describe the... where you see the joke.

00:19:54 ◼   ► Yeah, because it's not... you can't...

00:19:57 ◼   ► The name of the thing was not the joke itself.

00:19:59 ◼   ► No.

00:20:00 ◼   ► Okay, now I get it.

00:20:02 ◼   ► The joke.

00:20:03 ◼   ► What is happening?

00:20:04 ◼   ► I had to describe where you see the joke and then I could say the joke.

00:20:08 ◼   ► I thought the name of the place where you see the joke was the joke.

00:20:14 ◼   ► No.

00:20:15 ◼   ► So did I.

00:20:16 ◼   ► Oh, so that's two of us.

00:20:17 ◼   ► Now we've cleared that up.

00:20:19 ◼   ► That's all definitely staying in, by the way.

00:20:21 ◼   ► Let me talk about...

00:20:22 ◼   ► Of course it is, I wanted to.

00:20:23 ◼   ► Let me talk about Dew, which is one of my very, very favorite iOS apps.

00:20:27 ◼   ► And I've been using this beta for a few months now.

00:20:31 ◼   ► I really love it.

00:20:34 ◼   ► I do. I love it very, very much.

00:20:35 ◼   ► And the reason so Dew is an application which I mostly use for like

00:20:41 ◼   ► quick reminders or repeating tasks that don't feel worthy of going into

00:20:47 ◼   ► my task manager. So this could be stuff.

00:20:49 ◼   ► Remember, so not not and remember the milk.

00:20:52 ◼   ► No, because there's no milk.

00:20:53 ◼   ► Actually, do you know what? If I do need to remember milk, it goes in here.

00:20:56 ◼   ► So like if I need to buy milk, it goes in here because stuff like buy milk,

00:21:01 ◼   ► in my opinion, should not be going into your task manager, because that's just.

00:21:04 ◼   ► But what if your task manager is remember the milk and you have a task

00:21:08 ◼   ► and that manager called remember the milk?

00:21:10 ◼   ► Then you've made a bad decision.

00:21:11 ◼   ► You've made it.

00:21:12 ◼   ► You've already made a bad decision, though, if you're using that.

00:21:15 ◼   ► So I don't trust any of the choices that somebody could make.

00:21:17 ◼   ► Don't if they were using the milk.

00:21:20 ◼   ► I would, there is a reason we're not doing the iPhone home screen episode this year and

00:21:25 ◼   ► that is part of it. So stuff like take out trash, like buy groceries or do your exercises,

00:21:33 ◼   ► take your pills, those kinds of things that you may need to do every day and have to be

00:21:38 ◼   ► done. And one of the best features of Dew is the fact that it will keep reminding you

00:21:45 ◼   ► on an interval of an item until it is marked "completed".

00:21:50 ◼   ► And this isn't something that a lot of applications will do.

00:21:53 ◼   ► It will just keep reminding you.

00:21:55 ◼   ► And a little while ago they added in some features to snooze the action from the reminder,

00:22:03 ◼   ► just from a very simple list of options that you have.

00:22:06 ◼   ► But my very favorite feature about JU 3.0, this is taking advantage of some notification

00:22:12 ◼   ► changes that were made I think in iOS 11 where now you can instead of just taking

00:22:19 ◼   ► the notification and saying remind me in a preset time like 10 minutes or 30

00:22:23 ◼   ► minutes and then it goes away and then comes back again in 10 minutes or 30

00:22:26 ◼   ► minutes you can now tap on it and you can press a button to custom snooze for

00:22:32 ◼   ► as long as you want you can just keep tapping these intervals so you could be

00:22:35 ◼   ► like one hour one hour one hour save and then it will remind you in three hours

00:22:40 ◼   ► You kind of have to see this to understand what I mean and there's a link to the Mac stories review in our show notes

00:22:46 ◼   ► But what this does is it means that I get those notifications and instead of me just saying like a preset time for it to remind

00:22:53 ◼   ► Me again, I can tell it exactly when I want it to remind me again. It is a wonderful wonderful

00:22:58 ◼   ► Update to the application. This is a really excellent feature

00:23:02 ◼   ► It also has haptic feedback and a pure black theme for all the phones, but the custom snooze stuff

00:23:09 ◼   ► it is really wonderful. And I haven't seen it implemented in any app like the way it's

00:23:15 ◼   ► done here. Basically they're creating like a custom keyboard, is that right Federico?

00:23:20 ◼   ► For that it's almost like a keyboard as opposed to just preset options.

00:23:25 ◼   ► It looks like a keyboard but it's actually a custom view that you can load below the

00:23:31 ◼   ► content of a notification. I think that's what's happening here.

00:23:34 ◼   ► And there aren't many apps that I've seen that do stuff like this.

00:23:37 ◼   ► No, it's actually really clever.

00:23:40 ◼   ► I think I've seen only one other instance of a developer using

00:23:43 ◼   ► this API.

00:23:45 ◼   ► It's perfect for you, because it sort of retains

00:23:48 ◼   ► the context of these custom snooze times

00:23:51 ◼   ► that you create in the app.

00:23:52 ◼   ► You can bring them over to the notification.

00:23:56 ◼   ► I'm not sure if it's like a separate view controller

00:24:00 ◼   ► or if they're doing something to sort of hack

00:24:03 ◼   ► into the-- like a custom key.

00:24:06 ◼   ► But it's not a custom keyboard because you need to enable a custom keyboard first.

00:24:10 ◼   ► So they're showing a custom UI at the bottom of the notification.

00:24:14 ◼   ► And this is super clever.

00:24:15 ◼   ► Yeah, this is perfect use of the notification content APIs that they introduced with iOS

00:24:24 ◼   ► 10 and iOS 11.

00:24:25 ◼   ► So I'm impressed.

00:24:27 ◼   ► The first time you showed me a screenshot of the beta, I was really surprised because

00:24:33 ◼   ► it's not something that you see every day.

00:24:35 ◼   ► Most people probably wouldn't care, but as someone who obsesses over these little APIs

00:24:40 ◼   ► that you are also forced to, well not forced, but you Myke had to read this stuff last year,

00:24:47 ◼   ► you were not forced.

00:24:48 ◼   ► You were not forced.

00:24:49 ◼   ► For some of that stuff I was forced.

00:24:52 ◼   ► I felt like.

00:24:55 ◼   ► But I'm always happy to see developers taking advantage of all the little possibilities

00:25:00 ◼   ► that iOS offers.

00:25:01 ◼   ► So it looks really cool.

00:25:04 ◼   ► It is worth noting that Joo is a paid app and those two features, the black theme and

00:25:10 ◼   ► the custom snoozing are an in-app purchase for existing customers.

00:25:15 ◼   ► So you have to pay $2.99 to get that, but it's worth it in my opinion.

00:25:20 ◼   ► It's well worth those features.

00:25:21 ◼   ► If you use the application with any kind of frequency, you should upgrade.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Trust me, it's worth it.

00:25:27 ◼   ► So it's a great app.

00:25:28 ◼   ► I love it.

00:25:29 ◼   ► So that was an app.

00:25:30 ◼   ► You know, that's an app that we expect to be updated, right?

00:25:32 ◼   ► I think Joo has been in, you know, it's been an app that's been, had updates and it's taken

00:25:36 ◼   ► care of and we know that it exists and so we expect it to be updated.

00:25:39 ◼   ► However, something else got updated yesterday that literally nobody, not one person, would

00:25:44 ◼   ► have expected would have happened.

00:25:47 ◼   ► The Airport Express, do you remember that product?

00:25:49 ◼   ► The product Apple explicitly doesn't sell anymore and stopped selling like a good few

00:25:54 ◼   ► months ago, got updated to support AirPlay 2.

00:25:58 ◼   ► No, no, I gotta say, shout out to Zach Hall from 9to5Mac.

00:26:04 ◼   ► He actually expected this.

00:26:06 ◼   ► He has been tweeting screenshots.

00:26:08 ◼   ► Because there was sort of like-- it looked like a bug

00:26:11 ◼   ► since the iOS 11.4 beta.

00:26:14 ◼   ► But the Home app showed you like an Airport Express icon

00:26:19 ◼   ► as a device that you could add to HomeKit.

00:26:22 ◼   ► Well, let me rephrase what I'm saying is my expectation.

00:26:25 ◼   ► When they got rid of the product and announced that AirPlay 2 was

00:26:28 ◼   ► existing, I don't think anybody expected at that point that the Airport Express,

00:26:33 ◼   ► once it stopped being sold, would ever get it right.

00:26:36 ◼   ► Like there may have been breadcrumbs which could have could have said it afterwards.

00:26:40 ◼   ► But I can't imagine anyone would have really expected that.

00:26:42 ◼   ► Not really. Yeah, it's it's so strange to me.

00:26:45 ◼   ► And I actually tweeted this this morning that it was strange to me to see

00:26:49 ◼   ► a discontinued product get such a major upgrade because I mean,

00:26:53 ◼   ► we're talking about Airplay 2, one of the key features of the iOS 11

00:26:57 ◼   ► release cycle. Some people said yeah it's totally surprising it doesn't really

00:27:01 ◼   ► make sense. Other people said it's more I'm not surprised because it's sort of

00:27:08 ◼   ► like sort of like a goodwill gesture from Apple saying we know we discontinue

00:27:14 ◼   ► this product so here get this one last feature to you know sort of to as a as a

00:27:21 ◼   ► thank you please forgive us. The funny thing though is the Airport Express is

00:27:26 ◼   ► now more desirable as a product for me to own. So it doesn't really make sense. Which makes it the

00:27:30 ◼   ► weirdest thing. Like I now am more inclined to want to own one because then I would be able to

00:27:37 ◼   ► turn any speakers into Airplay 2 speakers. Well you can get one on Amazon pretty cheap,

00:27:44 ◼   ► or eBay still pretty cheap. Gray market hasn't caught on yet. I actually bought one when they

00:27:51 ◼   ► announced they were going away because I thought this is something that I should have.

00:27:54 ◼   ► This is super cool because I mean these Airport Expresses like their whole deal was like you

00:28:03 ◼   ► could extend your wireless or you put a printer somewhere but what a lot of people use these

00:28:06 ◼   ► specifically for was to stream music from iTunes to like their home speaker system and

00:28:13 ◼   ► a bunch of people did that for a really long time and now those users have a modern way

00:28:18 ◼   ► to do that you know without having to to go on and buy something else and I had I had

00:28:23 ◼   ► I'd always sort of secretly hoped that Apple was going to do something with AirPlay 2 to

00:28:28 ◼   ► make it like, make anything an AirPlay 2 speaker because the HomePod doesn't have an output.

00:28:33 ◼   ► And I was afraid they were just going to say, well, the answer is get rid of your stereo

00:28:37 ◼   ► and buy a HomePod or 6 if you're Federico.

00:28:40 ◼   ► But this is a nice way to go about it.

00:28:43 ◼   ► So you know, I think if you're in the market, get one before the price goes up on eBay.

00:28:48 ◼   ► My guess is they will climb in price now.

00:28:51 ◼   ► like between 40 and 50 bucks right now it looks like. Yeah it's about what it is here too.

00:28:55 ◼   ► I looked on Amazon Italy last night just out of curiosity and Amazon was out of stock of course

00:29:04 ◼   ► but you could buy from third-party resellers on Amazon and a bunch of stores had the

00:29:11 ◼   ► Airplay 2 compatible Airport Express up for 400 euros. So yeah. This is that HomePod thing you've

00:29:23 ◼   ► been hearing about. Yeah so there's one here 500 pounds on Amazon. Yeah holy cow. Yeah there you go.

00:29:32 ◼   ► Used like new for 500 pounds and 4.59 pounds delivery. That's bananas. But to show how

00:29:40 ◼   ► versatile this can be, Jason Snell hooked it up to an iPod HiFi, which is about the

00:29:46 ◼   ► best thing I've ever seen. Someone on Twitter replied to both of us and said, "Well, you

00:29:50 ◼   ► could use..." There used to be this program called Line In where you could take audio

00:29:54 ◼   ► in from a machine and make it play through its own speakers. It's like, "Well, what if

00:29:57 ◼   ► I did Airport Express to an old iMac and had music playing out of an iMac G3 from Siri?"

00:30:04 ◼   ► I was like, "Yeah, you could do that too." They should still make this thing, even if

00:30:09 ◼   ► it's not like it does so don't make the airport express again but Apple should

00:30:12 ◼   ► make a little airplay to receiver that you can plug into audio so I'm pop mini

00:30:17 ◼   ► it's gonna be one day it will be a product right like the Google home mini

00:30:21 ◼   ► or something right all the the echo dot like that's what it will be if they ever

00:30:24 ◼   ► do it I hope so because it just gives you so much more flexibility and it lets

00:30:29 ◼   ► you use existing equipment with the new like interface stuff right that you

00:30:34 ◼   ► don't have to go and replace your home stereo or like the system that's wired

00:30:37 ◼   ► into your living room. Everyone already replaced their home stereos when the the

00:30:41 ◼   ► iPod hi-fi came out. Do you remember? That's true and then again then they

00:30:45 ◼   ► went to Sonos and now they're on home pods. People just want to be quit they

00:30:50 ◼   ► want to quit being you know director. That is one of my very favorite Steve Jobs quotes

00:30:55 ◼   ► right when he says that he replaced his whole home audio system with the iPod

00:31:00 ◼   ► hi-fi. It's very good. There's no way that's actually true. It's very good it's

00:31:05 ◼   ► story, millionaire, right? Can you imagine what he had? And he's like, "Oh no, I'll just

00:31:09 ◼   ► get one of these things." I don't believe you, Steve.

00:31:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I just put it all on the curb in a cardboard box. I brought home an iPod, iFi. It is cool.

00:31:17 ◼   ► And I mean, props to Apple for doing this. Airplay 2 obviously had such a struggle coming

00:31:22 ◼   ► into this world, right? Like, it was delayed, and then it was buggy, and then it was out

00:31:26 ◼   ► of the betas, and then they finally shipped it. And to then do the work to make it, you

00:31:33 ◼   ► know work on an Airport Express that got updated last like 2012 or something

00:31:37 ◼   ► like that's that's that's like legitimately cool and mm-hmm maybe this

00:31:42 ◼   ► is why maybe the Airport Express support is what made their play too late that's

00:31:46 ◼   ► probably not true but can you imagine if it was but I I really do appreciate it's

00:31:52 ◼   ► easy to joke about this but I really do appreciate them doing that because it

00:31:55 ◼   ► gives like this thing was cheap when it was news like a hundred bucks or

00:32:00 ◼   ► something and like they didn't have to do this right like no one to your point

00:32:04 ◼   ► no one like would be upset if this never happened except for Zach but now that it

00:32:08 ◼   ► has happened like it it's a nice thing and I'm glad they did it it is I just

00:32:13 ◼   ► wanted to mention the airport line was discontinued in April well airplane 2

00:32:20 ◼   ► was supposed to be out well before then so the airplane 2 could have been like

00:32:23 ◼   ► the parting piece for the airport Express and then maybe it was supposed

00:32:27 ◼   ► to be. And then they couldn't make it or they couldn't ship it in time and then

00:32:33 ◼   ► it just all sort of fell apart. And the Airport Express was last updated in June

00:32:37 ◼   ► 2012. This is only on the 802.11n style so it looks like a baby white Apple TV

00:32:44 ◼   ► with the Airport Express before that like looked like a big wall charger like

00:32:49 ◼   ► it plugged and hung from the from the prongs in the wall. This one it looks like

00:32:53 ◼   ► I had that one. Yeah, I've got a couple of them. It's Fight. Airport Express Fight.

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00:34:24 ◼   ► - Okay, so we're gonna talk about the Mac Mini.

00:34:26 ◼   ► We promised last week that we were gonna talk about reasons

00:34:29 ◼   ► that we may want to purchase Mac Minis

00:34:33 ◼   ► or how we use the existing ones we have.

00:34:36 ◼   ► But first I wanted to talk a little bit more

00:34:37 ◼   ► about the idea of like who is the Mac Mini customer

00:34:41 ◼   ► 'cause we're gonna talk about like the way we are going,

00:34:43 ◼   ► like the way we want to use them or the way that we do.

00:34:46 ◼   ► But on a sort of a broader landscape,

00:34:49 ◼   ► some feedback we got-- - Hang on a second.

00:34:51 ◼   ► Are we doing follow-up as a topic?

00:34:54 ◼   ► - It's a-- - No.

00:34:56 ◼   ► - It's just like a little,

00:34:58 ◼   ► it's like a little follow-up icing on a topic.

00:35:01 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:35:03 ◼   ► - Nachmani got promoted from follow-up to a topic,

00:35:05 ◼   ► but there's still a little follow-up DNA left in it, so.

00:35:08 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:35:09 ◼   ► - Just a couple examples.

00:35:11 ◼   ► neural sandwich on Twitter which I'm sure is his given name wrote the Mac

00:35:14 ◼   ► mini for me is great if you want to have two matching monitors and not have to

00:35:19 ◼   ► deal with laptop clamshell weirdness and it doesn't cost the price of a small

00:35:24 ◼   ► home which is kind of funny so I think I have used a laptop in clamshell before

00:35:29 ◼   ► back when I had a job that's basically how I use my new book all day every day

00:35:33 ◼   ► and that can be definitely weird like it doesn't wake up or don't go to sleep

00:35:38 ◼   ► correctly you get home and it's been running in your bag because it woke up

00:35:41 ◼   ► when you unplugged it and freaked out. And a Mac Mini is nice because you can

00:35:44 ◼   ► have it on the desk and you can have two matching displays. Right now at least if

00:35:50 ◼   ► you want to use an external display with like something like an iMac it's not

00:35:54 ◼   ► gonna match. You know for a while the iMac and like the LED cinema display and

00:35:58 ◼   ► thunderbolt display they all sort of had a similar language and then the iMac

00:36:02 ◼   ► sort of moved on and Apple didn't update the displays again. So if this is an

00:36:06 ◼   ► important factor for you, which it is for some people, then the Mac Mini kind of is

00:36:11 ◼   ► the only option.

00:36:12 ◼   ► Just put stickers on everything.

00:36:14 ◼   ► Yeah, just cover it all up.

00:36:16 ◼   ► There's like camouflage the borders and you can't tell what's going on.

00:36:18 ◼   ► I wonder if dbrand make a Mac Mini skin.

00:36:21 ◼   ► I'm sure they do.

00:36:25 ◼   ► This is like a use case.

00:36:26 ◼   ► I can confirm that they make skins.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Well, yeah, skins.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Well, this is slick wraps that I'm looking at now.

00:36:32 ◼   ► They make Mac Mini skins.

00:36:34 ◼   ► I don't know if dbrand do though.

00:36:37 ◼   ► - Please put those in the show notes.

00:36:38 ◼   ► - They will definitely be there.

00:36:40 ◼   ► - So, you know, this, you know,

00:36:42 ◼   ► I don't know how big of a use case this is,

00:36:43 ◼   ► but it's one if you want to use multiple monitors,

00:36:44 ◼   ► the Mac Mini is sort of like the easiest way to do that

00:36:48 ◼   ► that doesn't involve buying a Mac Pro.

00:36:50 ◼   ► Tyler wrote, which I think is interesting too,

00:36:53 ◼   ► I had said that desktop switchers

00:36:55 ◼   ► weren't real people anymore,

00:36:57 ◼   ► but Tyler is one of those people.

00:36:59 ◼   ► So I guess I'm weird, but if I got a Mac Mini,

00:37:01 ◼   ► it would be, as a switcher,

00:37:03 ◼   ► I have very little desire for a notebook,

00:37:05 ◼   ► but I'm tired of my desktop PC.

00:37:07 ◼   ► So I think Tyler's representative of a group of people

00:37:11 ◼   ► that is still out there,

00:37:12 ◼   ► so maybe I was wrong to write that off completely.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I do think Tyler's probably in the minority here,

00:37:17 ◼   ► but there are people who, like I'm a desktop person,

00:37:21 ◼   ► Myke, you're a desktop person,

00:37:22 ◼   ► and so if we were gonna be switching from a PC to a Mac,

00:37:26 ◼   ► then maybe we would be looking at the Mac mini

00:37:29 ◼   ► if it were a viable option.

00:37:31 ◼   ► - And I understand that,

00:37:32 ◼   ► But like when we say things like it is an incredibly small percentage of the market,

00:37:37 ◼   ► like that is categorically true because we know things like, for example,

00:37:41 ◼   ► that desktops take up 20 percent of the Mac market, which is already a shrinking

00:37:46 ◼   ► market. And I can almost definitely assure you that the majority of purchases are

00:37:51 ◼   ► IMAX, because otherwise Apple would have updated the Mac Mini more than they did in

00:37:55 ◼   ► the last four years.

00:37:57 ◼   ► I think something that goes hand in hand with that conversation is like the

00:38:02 ◼   ► the span of the iMac. The iMac you can get one that's relatively inexpensive. I

00:38:09 ◼   ► mean that's that's different for everybody of course but the iMac starts

00:38:13 ◼   ► at something I'm loading the page installing it starts at $1099 that does

00:38:22 ◼   ► not have a display has a hard drive but then of course you can go up to

00:38:26 ◼   ► something like the 27 inch and spend you know over $3,000 but the iMac is a very

00:38:31 ◼   ► broad product and I think one reason it sells so well is it's I think it's kind

00:38:38 ◼   ► of like the default option because it has a display and everything and it's

00:38:41 ◼   ► it's sort of like the flagship of the desktop line. I think part of it is too

00:38:45 ◼   ► is that reach where Myke you can edit podcasts and video on one and then

00:38:51 ◼   ► someone can buy a machine that is more or less the same computer and use it in

00:38:55 ◼   ► an office and not not really need any of that stuff so they can buy a cheaper one

00:38:59 ◼   ► and the idea of a pro Mac Mini may tap into this a little bit where there is

00:39:05 ◼   ► like a really basic entry level but if you need to to spec it up into something

00:39:09 ◼   ► more powerful you can with a broader range of the Mac Mini's ever had. That's

00:39:13 ◼   ► what I'm hoping for with this new machine. So maybe they can take some of

00:39:17 ◼   ► that iMac flexibility and apply it to the Mac Mini in which case the sales may

00:39:22 ◼   ► come up some if it's if it's a more if it's a more reasonable option to more

00:39:27 ◼   ► people. You know right now not many people are buying them because they're

00:39:30 ◼   ► old and that means that they're slower than other Macs on the line. That's

00:39:33 ◼   ► okay for some people but for others of us, including the three of us I'm

00:39:37 ◼   ► going to talk about, it's not quite enough. Lastly I got an email from

00:39:41 ◼   ► somebody, they asked to be anonymous, but they support a mixed PC and Mac

00:39:48 ◼   ► environment in a big company. So they work for a corporation with an IT

00:39:51 ◼   ► department and I had not really considered this but they have a standard

00:39:58 ◼   ► like display keyboard and mouse bundle for all of their users and then the

00:40:04 ◼   ► users just get a Mac mini or they he sent me the the model number I looked at

00:40:08 ◼   ► I was like a small like HP desktop it's kind of like a Mac mini it's like small

00:40:12 ◼   ► form factor a little HP and they basically drop in either a Mac mini or

00:40:16 ◼   ► an HP depending if the user is getting a Mac or a PC but the rest of the install

00:40:20 ◼   ► is standard like standard display standard USB keyboard and mouse standard

00:40:25 ◼   ► power like power strip and all that sort of stuff they just drop in a different

00:40:29 ◼   ► desktop and that's not it that's not something that I had really thought

00:40:32 ◼   ► about but I think it makes sense that that that's sort of like the switcher

00:40:37 ◼   ► or like I said unplug my PC and plug into Mac Mini well I think there are use

00:40:41 ◼   ► cases where the Mac Mini's like sort of universal inputs and and like small form

00:40:47 ◼   ► factor make it more flexible for different types of users.

00:40:52 ◼   ► I guess this company is still buying old ones.

00:40:55 ◼   ► I emailed them back just last night and hadn't heard anything.

00:40:58 ◼   ► So I assume they're still buying just old ones, but I think that's kind of an interesting

00:41:03 ◼   ► use case.

00:41:04 ◼   ► The iMac is clearly not going to fit into the way they buy computers, but the Mac Mini

00:41:08 ◼   ► does so they buy them.

00:41:09 ◼   ► I think that's a use case that's worth considering as well.

00:41:13 ◼   ► So should we talk about some other use cases?

00:41:16 ◼   ► Yes.

00:41:17 ◼   ► Puerto Rico, why do you want a Mac Mini?

00:41:19 ◼   ► - I miss being able to organize my TV shows

00:41:24 ◼   ► and movies with Plex, and I would like to have

00:41:29 ◼   ► an actual Plex server that can do transcoding

00:41:32 ◼   ► and store multiple gigabytes of content

00:41:37 ◼   ► on my local network, so I would use a Mac Mini

00:41:41 ◼   ► as a media server for TV shows and movies, for sure.

00:41:44 ◼   ► But in general, speaking of encoding video,

00:41:49 ◼   ► I would use the Mac Mini so that I

00:41:52 ◼   ► can keep using my 2015 MacBook Pro for podcasting,

00:41:57 ◼   ► and I don't have to ask Silvia to use her 2016 MacBook Pro

00:42:05 ◼   ► whenever I need to encode a video for my iOS reviews.

00:42:10 ◼   ► I would love to have a Mac Mini in my house that I can connect to, that I can feed a video

00:42:18 ◼   ► file and say you need to encode this video or multiple videos at once in the background

00:42:24 ◼   ► in three different formats.

00:42:26 ◼   ► Because we use Mac stories when we do videos inside of our stories and especially for my

00:42:30 ◼   ► iOS reviews, those videos are actually in three different formats depending on the browser

00:42:36 ◼   ► that you use.

00:42:37 ◼   ► So we use MP4, WebM and OGG, I think, as a fallback option.

00:42:43 ◼   ► And I really don't, you know, I feel bad asking Sylvia to do this thing on her computer because

00:42:48 ◼   ► it's faster than mine.

00:42:50 ◼   ► I suppose that if a new Mac Mini is released and if I max it out and it's got the new Intel

00:42:55 ◼   ► chips inside and I put in tons of RAM and, you know, I should be able to process like

00:43:02 ◼   ► five or six small videos at once, which are not super long videos that are like 30 second

00:43:07 ◼   ► snippets of, you know, features of iOS, but still that would be really helpful. And I

00:43:14 ◼   ► would be able to set up, you know, these automations to sort of look for video files in my Dropbox

00:43:19 ◼   ► and maybe use Hazel and kick off these tasks with the shell or automator in the background,

00:43:24 ◼   ► it would be fun. And also, it would be a centralized backup location for my MacBook, for Sylvia's

00:43:32 ◼   ► Macbook and especially Sylvia, she has a lot of graphics assets and other video files for

00:43:39 ◼   ► her job that she needs to archive. So I would very much prefer to have a central location

00:43:45 ◼   ► that is not a Synology with its terrible UI and RAID whatever means. Please don't email

00:43:52 ◼   ► me, I know you love your Synology, that's fine, I'm happy for you. I want a Macintosh

00:43:57 ◼   ► computer.

00:43:58 ◼   ► Also specifically, Casey?

00:44:00 ◼   ► Yes, Casey.

00:44:01 ◼   ► Casey Liss?

00:44:01 ◼   ► It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're good.

00:44:03 ◼   ► It's fine. Don't worry.

00:44:05 ◼   ► It's too late. He's already DM'd you in Slack.

00:44:10 ◼   ► So yeah.

00:44:12 ◼   ► Entertainment, automation and video encoding for screencasts that we use in our articles,

00:44:21 ◼   ► and backup location for my computer, Silvio's computer,

00:44:25 ◼   ► and maybe something like an off-site backup of iCloud for library of Google

00:44:31 ◼   ► Photos that we can also keep you know copies of those services offline. So three

00:44:38 ◼   ► main use cases. Mine are pretty similar honestly like I've been toying

00:44:42 ◼   ► around, this is something I've had in the back of my mind for a while but like I

00:44:46 ◼   ► would definitely be more keen to do it if and when Apple upgrades the Mac Mini

00:44:50 ◼   ► because the Mac Mini is the perfect machine for doing this kind of thing.

00:44:54 ◼   ► where I want to have a Mac that is turned on all the time.

00:44:58 ◼   ► I don't like to leave my iMac even in sleep.

00:45:02 ◼   ► I turn it off every day because it's powering some USB devices

00:45:06 ◼   ► that are really expensive, they're audio equipment.

00:45:09 ◼   ► And I just prefer it to be off.

00:45:12 ◼   ► I just prefer it like again, like I understand that many people

00:45:16 ◼   ► think it's fine and I get that, but I just prefer to not have these things

00:45:22 ◼   ► on all the time so I turn them all off every day. But I would like to have a machine which

00:45:28 ◼   ► is on so it could do things like running some Hazel scripts for me, like processing photos

00:45:33 ◼   ► in my Federico Vittucci created but nobody else uses except me Hazel scripts with the

00:45:38 ◼   ► Dropbox photo thing that I have running.

00:45:41 ◼   ► From six years ago.

00:45:44 ◼   ► From like 2014 or something, I don't know, but like I'm still doing that. And I'm sure

00:45:48 ◼   ► I could come up with some other stuff too, like ways for me to,

00:45:52 ◼   ► especially with shortcuts, the shortcuts app seems to have some restrictions

00:45:57 ◼   ► about and I don't think they're going to get fixed

00:45:59 ◼   ► about where it can save files.

00:46:02 ◼   ► It used to be with workflow, you could save files

00:46:05 ◼   ► any way you wanted, right, to Dropbox or Box or iCloud Drive.

00:46:08 ◼   ► But shortcuts only allows files to be saved to the shortcuts

00:46:13 ◼   ► folder on iCloud Drive.

00:46:14 ◼   ► So unless Dropbox creates their own shortcuts actions,

00:46:18 ◼   ► which I don't know about that yet, or some enterprising third party could do it,

00:46:23 ◼   ► which I believe will happen.

00:46:25 ◼   ► But if it wouldn't, then I could have Hazel watching that folder

00:46:28 ◼   ► and then moving things where they needed to go, which would work nicely.

00:46:31 ◼   ► But there's always things I can do there.

00:46:33 ◼   ► I also would like to have a machine that I can like VNC to from my iPad

00:46:37 ◼   ► using an app like screens or something to perform basic tasks

00:46:41 ◼   ► that I need my Mac to do.

00:46:42 ◼   ► There's just some stuff that like Federico's video encoding

00:46:45 ◼   ► that I need a Mac to be able to do.

00:46:48 ◼   ► It's easier to do on a Mac.

00:46:49 ◼   ► So I would, but I would prefer to not have to turn my Mac on

00:46:53 ◼   ► specifically to do that one thing.

00:46:55 ◼   ► So just being able to use an app to just access

00:46:58 ◼   ► that machine would be great.

00:46:59 ◼   ► And also network attached storage.

00:47:01 ◼   ► I don't really have anything for that.

00:47:02 ◼   ► And I just am not keen on having like a Drobo set up

00:47:06 ◼   ► to my iMac, but I could totally do that right with a Mac Mini

00:47:11 ◼   ► and just attach some external storage to it,

00:47:13 ◼   ► hide it away in my office somewhere.

00:47:15 ◼   ► and it would just be humming away and I could say things to it and it would be great.

00:47:19 ◼   ► So a Mac Mini would be perfect for that.

00:47:21 ◼   ► Yeah, so I've got one and my use cases for it definitely overlap what you guys talked

00:47:27 ◼   ► about.

00:47:28 ◼   ► So I have a mid 2011, it's hooked up to my television, it's like an i5, 8 gigs of RAM

00:47:33 ◼   ► and I put SSD in it like 100 years ago.

00:47:35 ◼   ► It is hooked up to the TV, we use the Apple TV as like the default input but the Mac Mini

00:47:40 ◼   ► is nice for some video stuff that's not easy to get to the Apple TV because I don't have

00:47:43 ◼   ► Plex I have Plex set up but don't use it now and we because we have kids like

00:47:47 ◼   ► there's still stuff that we watch some DVD and so we have a USB Super Drive

00:47:51 ◼   ► plugged into the Mac Mini we can watch DVDs on the on the television it does

00:47:56 ◼   ► host a Drobo over Thunderbolt I would have that Drobo here in the office

00:48:01 ◼   ► hooked up to the iMac except for the noise that it makes and my wife doesn't

00:48:06 ◼   ► love that it sits where the TV sits but it's it's got like six hard drives in it

00:48:10 ◼   ► and a fan and I basically have to like power it down anytime I record and that

00:48:15 ◼   ► seems like a lot of you know a lot of just back and forth and so it's in the

00:48:18 ◼   ► house and I connect to that Mac Mini over Ethernet from the studio and into

00:48:22 ◼   ► the house and pull files off of it but that is directly attached to the Mac Mini

00:48:27 ◼   ► and I like that because that means I can do file sharing and I can back it up

00:48:31 ◼   ► with backblaze because it's directly attached to a Mac. Things that you again

00:48:35 ◼   ► you can do with a NAS but are a little bit trickier and can be a little more fragile.

00:48:41 ◼   ► I'm not super keen to learn how one of these things works when I know how a Mac works,

00:48:46 ◼   ► right? Like, and that's one of the reasons I prefer it, right? Like, I know how a Mac

00:48:49 ◼   ► works, I know how the apps that I can download work and they're gonna work with my iPad,

00:48:54 ◼   ► like I'm sure you can do all of this stuff with a Synology and probably more in some

00:48:58 ◼   ► cases but I don't, I'm not, I'm just not really keen to learn a whole new thing. I would just

00:49:04 ◼   ► like to use macOS? Yeah, I like that the Mac just sees it as an external hard drive. The

00:49:11 ◼   ► Mac just sees it as a drive and you don't have to use a Drobo, you can use like a Promise

00:49:14 ◼   ► RAID or a Pegasus or something. There's other options out there. Promise RAID is a very

00:49:20 ◼   ► interesting name. Yeah, is that the name of that company? They promised that your RAID

00:49:26 ◼   ► would work. Promise technology. They make some Thunderbolt stuff. So you have some options

00:49:34 ◼   ► But I like it just attached to the Mac because I can just use Mac OS to manage everything

00:49:38 ◼   ► So that combination the Mac money in the Drobo do several things. I host a big family iTunes library there

00:49:45 ◼   ► That's there's not there's some music in that but my wife and I use Apple music now

00:49:48 ◼   ► So the music is less important

00:49:50 ◼   ► But that iTunes library is set to download any any movies or TV shows that we purchase which is less and less over time, but

00:49:58 ◼   ► Occasionally we still do that and and then the I that iTunes library will grab a copy of it

00:50:03 ◼   ► That iTunes library is also subscribed to every relay FM show and so I download all of the mp3s

00:50:09 ◼   ► We publish and have them on the drobo because you never know when you're gonna need something you

00:50:13 ◼   ► Have you ever know but one day but one day I might

00:50:18 ◼   ► One day when I build the relay the relay aqua library, I'll be set

00:50:24 ◼   ► I have an application running on my Mac mini called print opia

00:50:27 ◼   ► So I have like this like brother network printer that does not support air print

00:50:32 ◼   ► So I can't print from an iOS to the printer directly

00:50:35 ◼   ► There are several different Mac apps that do this print up is just the one that I use and it basically

00:50:40 ◼   ► Exposes my brother printer to my iOS devices like through the Mac

00:50:45 ◼   ► So I can print from my iPhone or iPad

00:50:47 ◼   ► To my brother printer as long as the Mac mini is up and running which is

00:50:51 ◼   ► Very handy if you have an older printer or one like mine that just doesn't support air print

00:50:55 ◼   ► I have time machine server running from my MacBook Pro

00:50:59 ◼   ► There's link in the show notes how to set that up.

00:51:02 ◼   ► That's pretty new to Mac OS.

00:51:03 ◼   ► It used to only be in Mac OS server.

00:51:05 ◼   ► And then content caching.

00:51:07 ◼   ► So you can set up a Mac server-- Mac OS server is basically

00:51:12 ◼   ► dead-- to cache things like software updates and app store

00:51:17 ◼   ► updates and stuff for other machines on the network.

00:51:20 ◼   ► It's a little bit evolved to set up, but it's not too bad.

00:51:22 ◼   ► There's a KBase article in the show notes.

00:51:24 ◼   ► And I have that running.

00:51:26 ◼   ► So it downloads a Mac OS update, and then

00:51:29 ◼   ► And we have like, you know, my wife's got an iMac now.

00:51:32 ◼   ► I've got my iMac Pro and a MacBook Pro and it just allows those downloads to be faster.

00:51:39 ◼   ► It's not I really set that up because I want to play with it, but I've left it running

00:51:42 ◼   ► because it's helpful.

00:51:43 ◼   ► And then because I have a SuperDrive, CD and DVD sharing to the modern Macs on the network.

00:51:49 ◼   ► So occasionally, I'll need to pull something off an optical disk.

00:51:51 ◼   ► And I have a USB SuperDrive in my office, but I can never seem to find it.

00:51:55 ◼   ► and sometimes I just pop it in the one in the house

00:51:57 ◼   ► and just share from there.

00:51:59 ◼   ► So Myke and Federico, I totally agree with y'all's reasons

00:52:03 ◼   ► for wanting a Mac Mini because it is like

00:52:05 ◼   ► a really versatile tool and you can,

00:52:08 ◼   ► because it's so small and it's effectively silent,

00:52:11 ◼   ► you can just leave it running all the time.

00:52:13 ◼   ► My Mac Mini only gets rebooted when it freaks out

00:52:15 ◼   ► because it's getting older or there's a software update for.

00:52:18 ◼   ► Other than that, it's just running all the time

00:52:20 ◼   ► and I don't interface with it directly very often.

00:52:23 ◼   ► I do have a keyboard and mouse paired to it

00:52:26 ◼   ► that sort of live in the entertainment center.

00:52:28 ◼   ► Most of the time I just use screen sharing from another Mac

00:52:30 ◼   ► and you know how I need to pull something off of it

00:52:32 ◼   ► or change the setting.

00:52:33 ◼   ► But most of the time it just runs and it hosts that Drobo

00:52:36 ◼   ► and does these things for me

00:52:38 ◼   ► without really much interference

00:52:39 ◼   ► and that's really what I wanted.

00:52:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm excited to get back into the idea of

00:52:45 ◼   ► I have a server at home doing things in the background

00:52:48 ◼   ► and I can issue sort of commands from my iPad with shortcuts

00:52:53 ◼   ► which is something that I wasn't able to do.

00:52:54 ◼   ► Back when I used to have a Mac Mini in 2012, 2013,

00:52:58 ◼   ► I used to have a personal Mac Mini at Mac Mini Colu.

00:53:01 ◼   ► And I didn't have workflow to do this sort of

00:53:05 ◼   ► remote execution of commands.

00:53:08 ◼   ► So I used to rely on these hacks and workarounds,

00:53:11 ◼   ► something like saving a command,

00:53:14 ◼   ► like a shell command inside of a text file in Dropbox

00:53:17 ◼   ► and using Hazel to sort of read the contents of that file

00:53:21 ◼   ► and executing the command.

00:53:24 ◼   ► Crazy stuff, but with shortcuts now,

00:53:26 ◼   ► I could issue like an SSH command from my iPad

00:53:30 ◼   ► or from my iPhone, even from Siri,

00:53:32 ◼   ► and kick off a series of tasks at home.

00:53:36 ◼   ► Do we think there will be an announcement

00:53:38 ◼   ► at the September event?

00:53:40 ◼   ► Where do we stand?

00:53:41 ◼   ► Okay. - No.

00:53:42 ◼   ► - All right.

00:53:43 ◼   ► - No, I don't think there will be any Macs

00:53:45 ◼   ► at September event.

00:53:46 ◼   ► I actually don't even think they're gonna mention Mojave

00:53:49 ◼   ► in the September event.

00:53:50 ◼   ► Is it because you think there's going to be a second event in October or just like...

00:53:55 ◼   ► There will be a second event of some kind I believe, either like a press event or like some

00:54:00 ◼   ► briefings or just some product releases. Depends on what they're announcing but yeah I don't think

00:54:06 ◼   ► that the Mac will get any time in the September event because there's so... you could... that event

00:54:13 ◼   ► could just be iPhone, like nothing else right and you would fill an hour because they've got three

00:54:19 ◼   ► phones at least that they're debuting so I don't think I don't think that we're

00:54:25 ◼   ► gonna see it Stephen I want to ask you actually do you feel that Mojave is as

00:54:31 ◼   ► ready as iOS 12 is no I don't interesting because that might be another

00:54:38 ◼   ► thing right like maybe Mojave just isn't even coming out in September but for

00:54:41 ◼   ► this reason because they're gonna hold it and wait until it yeah so they've

00:54:44 ◼   ► been a like over the last several years Apple's done a it's really hard to

00:54:47 ◼   ► Dictate or guess what they're gonna do because they've done a bunch of different things they have done

00:54:51 ◼   ► Everything in one event they have broken out the Mac stuff separately

00:54:55 ◼   ► They've done like you said Mac is like press release stuff or like you know our journalist friends have

00:55:01 ◼   ► New Macs, and then there's an embargo and they all drop at the same time

00:55:04 ◼   ► And

00:55:07 ◼   ► Mac OS has come out the same time as iOS and it's come out later and it just depends on where things are and

00:55:12 ◼   ► This year in particular there's not a lot of new stuff in between iOS and Mac OS like when they did

00:55:18 ◼   ► When did they upgrade to iCloud drive that goes at iOS 8?

00:55:21 ◼   ► So I could so yes, but it didn't have an actual app in iOS 8

00:55:29 ◼   ► Right got the app in iOS 9. Yeah your

00:55:32 ◼   ► applications upgraded to use iCloud drives storage the

00:55:37 ◼   ► The thing that was weird about that is that the Mac version,

00:55:40 ◼   ► or whatever, I guess, I don't know what came out that year,

00:55:43 ◼   ► but whatever version of Mac OS was that year, it was later.

00:55:48 ◼   ► And so you could upgrade to the new Notes,

00:55:50 ◼   ► or upgrade to iCloud Drive storage,

00:55:52 ◼   ► or something like Mac. - Yeah, I remember that.

00:55:54 ◼   ► - Remember that? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

00:55:56 ◼   ► - There's nothing like that this year,

00:55:58 ◼   ► that as far as I can tell,

00:56:00 ◼   ► that is really dependent on both Mac OS

00:56:03 ◼   ► and iOS coming out together.

00:56:04 ◼   ► So I think the Mac could totally be an October thing. I don't know if there's enough to hold a Mac event

00:56:11 ◼   ► I think they could put it in like iPhone keynotes take way less time

00:56:15 ◼   ► They used to like if you if you sit and actually watch the iPhone segments

00:56:18 ◼   ► They're much shorter than they used to be because a the phones like just evolve

00:56:23 ◼   ► Last year every year and like people already know a bunch about them. So you don't have to go

00:56:27 ◼   ► like as in depth about like the camera subsystem as they used to because the changes are

00:56:33 ◼   ► smaller deltas and people kind of understand what they do and so even if it's like

00:56:38 ◼   ► iPhone iPad watch like then I think that's probably like an hour and a half or two hours, but

00:56:44 ◼   ► You know, I feel like you're way more likely to see iPhone

00:56:48 ◼   ► It's like you probably go like in the in the importance order right iPhone watch iPad then max

00:56:54 ◼   ► Like I can't imagine a September event with iPhone and the Mac mini and then like there's an October

00:57:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean unless the Mac stuff is real short and they use it to open the event and then they move on

00:57:06 ◼   ► So we'll see it's not impossible. We'll see I think either way is totally possible

00:57:10 ◼   ► But if it's just the Mac mini and like spec bump die max and it may just be press release stuff

00:57:16 ◼   ► I don't know. We're way off topic now, but

00:57:18 ◼   ► Either way like whatever happens. I think all three of us are interested in what a new Mac mini would be

00:57:24 ◼   ► I would really like to replace mine at home

00:57:25 ◼   ► I would maybe replace the one that we have at Mac Stadium

00:57:29 ◼   ► For live streaming although we just put a new drive in it not too long ago

00:57:32 ◼   ► So hopefully we're good to go for a while. So we'll see we'll see how it goes

00:57:36 ◼   ► I think a lot of people are watching this and I think if the three of us are

00:57:39 ◼   ► Any indication there are users other users like us who want to use it as a home server and office server and?

00:57:46 ◼   ► Having something a little bit more powerful

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01:00:38 ◼   ► this week. Yeah. We're just like in it with iPhone rumors. iPhone rumors. I like iPhone rumors. Go for it.

01:00:45 ◼   ► I had a pretty tongue-in-cheek blog post the other day of like these four iPhone rumors came out today

01:00:51 ◼   ► I was like there's so much stuff

01:00:53 ◼   ► so we're gonna start with the

01:00:55 ◼   ► The Apple pencil there's been talk of maybe this is the year the Apple pencil gets added to the iPhone Myke

01:01:01 ◼   ► I know you and Jason have talked a lot about that on upgrade it makes sense

01:01:05 ◼   ► You look at the galaxy note line people really like it. Maybe Apple could do something here the new

01:01:09 ◼   ► Again for lack of knowing the real names the iPhone 10 plus is an enormous phone

01:01:14 ◼   ► it looks like and it'd be great to be able to take out a pencil and do stuff with it,

01:01:18 ◼   ► but it seems like that's maybe not the case after all.

01:01:22 ◼   ► Well, it looks like Apple doesn't want any of the serious business happening with the

01:01:29 ◼   ► Galaxy Note.

01:01:31 ◼   ► I see this gentleman walking around with a Galaxy Note, typing in on the phone with a

01:01:37 ◼   ► stylus.

01:01:38 ◼   ► I assume they're all editing cells in a spreadsheet.

01:01:41 ◼   ► looking all serious with this ass pen. Wouldn't it be easier though? But it would be easier

01:01:46 ◼   ► though like to access Google sheets with, I mean that's how I find with my Apple Pencil.

01:01:52 ◼   ► So you're saying that you would like to walk around and edit spreadsheets as you're walking

01:01:56 ◼   ► with the phone and a st... Sure. Yeah man. Why not do it at a desk? Sometimes I have

01:02:00 ◼   ► to get real business done. Because you know I'm a man on the move. You're a man on the

01:02:05 ◼   ► move, okay. You know I travel around, I'm a very important businessman. You know? So

01:02:10 ◼   ► sometimes I'm out on the prowl.

01:02:13 ◼   ► I don't know what I'm talking about anymore.

01:02:14 ◼   ► And I need I need access to my Google Sheets.

01:02:18 ◼   ► That's just how it is. What can I say?

01:02:19 ◼   ► Sure. Well, I hope that someday you will get your wish.

01:02:24 ◼   ► I want I want an Apple pencil.

01:02:27 ◼   ► I want Apple pencil support on the iPhone.

01:02:29 ◼   ► Like I want it for the same reason that I have that.

01:02:31 ◼   ► I like it on my iPad, like the ability to write stuff down, drop stuff down

01:02:36 ◼   ► and have an additional way to access UI elements would be really important to me.

01:02:41 ◼   ► Like I love the Apple Pencil for that.

01:02:43 ◼   ► There's no reason I wouldn't want it on an iPad with a vertical 6.5 inch screen,

01:02:49 ◼   ► like a sorry, like a what do they call it?

01:02:51 ◼   ► Diagonal, diagonal 6.5 inch screen.

01:02:55 ◼   ► It's going to be a really, really big screen.

01:02:58 ◼   ► It is like I would love to have an Apple pencil, like a smaller,

01:03:01 ◼   ► much smaller Apple pencil that was designed for that purpose.

01:03:05 ◼   ► I could think that would be really great.

01:03:06 ◼   ► Like, and I know why, you know, I know you can make fun of it, like,

01:03:09 ◼   ► because the note has always been a thing to make fun of.

01:03:12 ◼   ► But over time, everything that people have made fun of about the note

01:03:15 ◼   ► has happened to iPhones, right?

01:03:18 ◼   ► Getting really big and all that kind of stuff.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Except the fire thing.

01:03:22 ◼   ► Could happen.

01:03:23 ◼   ► There is absolutely no reason why that couldn't happen to Apple as well.

01:03:27 ◼   ► Like Samsung were just the unlucky ones that it happened to first.

01:03:30 ◼   ► But it hasn't yet.

01:03:31 ◼   ► So I'm just saying that there's the conversation like the Logitech

01:03:34 ◼   ► crayon maybe even so like you could have one device to easily go back and forth

01:03:38 ◼   ► between the phone and an iPad as opposed to right now it's sort of paired and you

01:03:42 ◼   ► wouldn't want to be like plugging into the lightning port every time you change

01:03:45 ◼   ► devices I think it'd be I think it'd be nice I don't think it's for me I don't

01:03:49 ◼   ► use my Apple pencil hardly at all but for people who do like it like why not

01:03:53 ◼   ► make it an option right like you're not bundling it like you they do with the

01:03:57 ◼   ► note it's not gonna be embedded in the body you eject it like it's gonna be a

01:04:00 ◼   ► separate purchase because that's how Apple is. Why not give people the option at least?

01:04:05 ◼   ► So Federica you don't have to use it but Myke you can. That seems fair to me but it seems like

01:04:10 ◼   ► it's not going to be the case so maybe next year Myke.

01:04:15 ◼   ► There were also rumors of production delays for the iPhone 9 so the LCD phone. Apparently the

01:04:22 ◼   ► OLED phones will be available in September but like the iPhone 10 the LCD version might launch

01:04:29 ◼   ► later on. So there might be some there's clearly some kind of production issue because there's no

01:04:33 ◼   ► reason why they wouldn't want to ship them all in September. But it seems like they might be having

01:04:38 ◼   ► some some trouble which it kind of tracks for me, right? Because the OLED phone was super weird and

01:04:43 ◼   ► new and they had to do all that crazy stuff with this display and stuff that I'm not surprised that

01:04:48 ◼   ► there was some hiccups and I would expect this is similar kind of thing for the LCD one. Like they

01:04:52 ◼   ► know how to make an iPhone 10 at this point. Like that's not an issue, right? So like making a new

01:04:57 ◼   ► iPhone X and a bigger iPhone X probably doesn't pose significant issues for them

01:05:02 ◼   ► but this new LCD phone again it's like different in different ways the bezels

01:05:07 ◼   ► are smaller smaller than they've been on an LCD phone before you know like so I'm

01:05:10 ◼   ► it wouldn't surprise me if they were if they announced that the iPhone 9 will be

01:05:16 ◼   ► shipping a little bit later because it kind of would track with when they

01:05:19 ◼   ► announced the X. Does that make sense? And I could see how maybe some people will

01:05:25 ◼   ► say "well I don't want to wait for the iPhone 9, I'll just get the new iPhone 10, thus giving

01:05:30 ◼   ► Apple more money."

01:05:31 ◼   ► We're not saying it's a conspiracy theory, but it sure is an interesting thing to think

01:05:38 ◼   ► about.

01:05:39 ◼   ► And that is what's a little bit different this time, if this pans out. Last time it

01:05:45 ◼   ► was like the high-end enthusiast phone that was late, so all of us just waited. If the

01:05:49 ◼   ► nine is the sort of the mainstream phone which I'm not sure it's it was gonna

01:05:55 ◼   ► I think it is I think I think you could argue that that even though the prices

01:05:58 ◼   ► will be more like the ten is the you know they're kind of positioned as the

01:06:02 ◼   ► mainstream phone now right like that's gonna be the the kind of fault the

01:06:07 ◼   ► middle phone in the line right like the one the medium phone the one for

01:06:11 ◼   ► everyone not in size but in price yeah you know because they you know we've

01:06:15 ◼   ► spoken about this and there was a Mark Gurman report that seemed to clear up most of what

01:06:20 ◼   ► we believe to be true, right, at this point about like the sizes and even in that report

01:06:26 ◼   ► it says that the 6.1 inch phone looks like it's gonna have some colors and we've spoken

01:06:31 ◼   ► about that on this show, right, like how I think risky that decision is on Apple's part

01:06:38 ◼   ► to make colored versions of a phone again after the 5C.

01:06:42 ◼   ► The color's not why the 5C failed.

01:06:44 ◼   ► It's because it was old and no one wanted it.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Right, but it's not that it's old.

01:06:49 ◼   ► It's that you know that the 5C was old by looking at it.

01:06:53 ◼   ► And you will know that you have the not expensive iPhone

01:06:56 ◼   ► by looking at it.

01:06:58 ◼   ► And if that's a problem, we don't know.

01:07:00 ◼   ► But I hazard that it might be.

01:07:02 ◼   ► I guess we'll see.

01:07:03 ◼   ► So much of the way they've done things

01:07:06 ◼   ► is turned upside down now.

01:07:08 ◼   ► Who knows?

01:07:09 ◼   ► So we'll see.

01:07:10 ◼   ► I still have some concern that the mainstream phone

01:07:13 ◼   ► is too big, but I guess we'll see how that goes.

01:07:16 ◼   ► When it's the best selling iPhone ever,

01:07:18 ◼   ► then we'll know I was wrong.

01:07:19 ◼   ► But right now, I feel like there are people

01:07:21 ◼   ► who are gonna be upset that the 4.7 inch

01:07:24 ◼   ► is now no longer a flagship.

01:07:27 ◼   ► - Sure, but this has been a thing

01:07:30 ◼   ► that's moved over time, right?

01:07:32 ◼   ► Like the 4.7 inch phone is bigger

01:07:34 ◼   ► than the phones used to be.

01:07:35 ◼   ► - It is, but I wonder if this is too big.

01:07:38 ◼   ► Again, we'll see how the sales numbers pan out.

01:07:42 ◼   ► While we're talking about displays,

01:07:44 ◼   ► there's this interesting report by Barclay

01:07:46 ◼   ► saying that the 2019 phones,

01:07:48 ◼   ► so not the phones we're gonna see here in a couple weeks,

01:07:50 ◼   ► but the phones a year from now,

01:07:52 ◼   ► will, according to this report, drop 3D Touch.

01:07:57 ◼   ► This echoes a report by Ming-Chi Kuo

01:08:00 ◼   ► saying that 3D Touch was not gonna be a feature

01:08:02 ◼   ► on this iPhone 9 this year,

01:08:04 ◼   ► which I think he's backed off of.

01:08:07 ◼   ► So what do you guys think about this?

01:08:10 ◼   ► This is based on part sourcing,

01:08:13 ◼   ► and the parts used to sense 3D Touch

01:08:16 ◼   ► have not been ordered for the next year's phones,

01:08:19 ◼   ► or those suppliers are being told that they're SOL.

01:08:22 ◼   ► But that could be interpreted as,

01:08:24 ◼   ► oh, they found a new way to do it

01:08:26 ◼   ► that doesn't involve these parts,

01:08:27 ◼   ► so maybe it's thinner and lighter.

01:08:28 ◼   ► And they did that with the iPhone X.

01:08:30 ◼   ► The 3D Touch subsystem in the iPhone X

01:08:32 ◼   ► is different than previous phones.

01:08:35 ◼   ► Maybe they've just been able to change

01:08:36 ◼   ► improve that again, or if you take it as far as this report says that 3D Touch will be

01:08:41 ◼   ► going away, being removed from the iPhones. I don't know which one it is, but what do

01:08:45 ◼   ► you guys think about that? Federico, do you use 3D Touch on your phone?

01:08:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I do. I actually do. But it depends on which implementation of 3D Touch. So, for

01:08:56 ◼   ► example, I use the Peek and Pop all the time for previews, whether I want a preview link

01:09:04 ◼   ► in a web view or I want to expand, for example, a tweet and I want to see the replies to that

01:09:11 ◼   ► tweet. So the pick and pop system I really enjoy and I really use all the time. I don't

01:09:17 ◼   ► use quick actions on the home screen as much, mostly because I forget about them. I forget

01:09:23 ◼   ► about the fact that they exist. And every time when I sort of remember and I look at

01:09:27 ◼   ► those quick actions and I go like, "Oh, that's really useful," and then I forget again. So

01:09:31 ◼   ► So those haven't been able to stick for me.

01:09:35 ◼   ► And I...

01:09:36 ◼   ► And they're just inconsistent, right?

01:09:39 ◼   ► Some apps have really good options and then some apps just say "Share".

01:09:44 ◼   ► I've also mostly found it not really that great.

01:09:50 ◼   ► You're pressing down and you're going to a place, but then the app opens and then goes

01:09:55 ◼   ► there?

01:09:56 ◼   ► The implementation of how it works has never felt right to me.

01:09:59 ◼   ► I never really feel like I'm saving any time because like I'm just watching the app do the things I've done

01:10:06 ◼   ► To get to that point. I have a theory that I'm going to share here

01:10:11 ◼   ► And I don't know if it'll I don't care if it'll come true or not. We're not this is a

01:10:16 ◼   ► It's it you can share you can share things like this on podcasts because nobody really it's a theory

01:10:21 ◼   ► It doesn't it's not a prediction. So I don't have to worry about

01:10:26 ◼   ► the prize or winning, so this is fine. I'm very relaxed in sharing this theory.

01:10:32 ◼   ► So if Apple does a redesign on the home screen and they remove 3D touch,

01:10:39 ◼   ► I could see the quick action

01:10:42 ◼   ► feature going away altogether and

01:10:45 ◼   ► being replaced, to avoid the very issue that Myke just mentioned of "I'm just watching an app

01:10:53 ◼   ► navigate to a page",

01:10:55 ◼   ► I could see shortcuts becoming home screen elements, in that you could have shortcuts

01:11:04 ◼   ► on the home screen to perform actions in the background without having to open the app

01:11:10 ◼   ► or show you stuff from the app. Sort of like a widget, but based on the more powerful framework

01:11:19 ◼   ► that is shortcuts.

01:11:21 ◼   ► So we're going to discuss this, I don't think 3D touch is going away, but if it does and

01:11:28 ◼   ► if it's replaced by the shortcuts API, you know how Apple likes to introduce a framework

01:11:35 ◼   ► or a technology and it's one thing when they launch it and then over the next few years

01:11:42 ◼   ► they sort of reuse it for other things.

01:11:46 ◼   ► And I could see...

01:11:47 ◼   ► example like here NSUserActivity becomes the building blocks of shortcuts.

01:11:51 ◼   ► Exactly, or SiriKit. You know, it's all these APIs that they start off as one

01:11:57 ◼   ► thing and later you go "oh now I see why you introduced this feature years ago".

01:12:01 ◼   ► I could see shortcuts becoming part of a redesigned home screen if, you know,

01:12:04 ◼   ► Gherman said several months ago that a new home screen is one of the key

01:12:09 ◼   ► features of iOS 13 in 2019, so we'll see. But anyway...

01:12:13 ◼   ► I can totally see that happening. I think that is a very very good prediction

01:12:18 ◼   ► but I don't think that 3d touch needs to be included in that, you know, like I don't think that

01:12:22 ◼   ► You have to remove that you would do that because you remove 3d touch or vice versa, right?

01:12:28 ◼   ► Like I feel like that the 3d touch actions on the icons. I

01:12:31 ◼   ► Don't think people use those really at all. I mean again, I'm sure some people do but like in the aggregate

01:12:38 ◼   ► I don't think that they use by a lot of people but I you know

01:12:41 ◼   ► I use 3D touch every single day for all sorts of things.

01:12:45 ◼   ► Peek and pop like to look at elements.

01:12:49 ◼   ► You know, maybe I want to see a message, but not have it as read yet.

01:12:53 ◼   ► Or I want to be able to just peek into a link.

01:12:57 ◼   ► I do that all the time. Right. Like I see a link and then I'll just

01:12:59 ◼   ► I press down on it and then push it in if I want to actually go to the website.

01:13:03 ◼   ► Like I use this stuff all the time and I can't imagine Apple

01:13:09 ◼   ► completely removing this. I don't think that this is on the money. I think that what has

01:13:15 ◼   ► probably happened is that the parts have changed. The way the technology is, the physical technology

01:13:24 ◼   ► is different and people just interpret that to mean something. But I don't think that's

01:13:29 ◼   ► the case at all.

01:13:30 ◼   ► This feels like one of those analyst moves a little bit where analysts sometimes have

01:13:34 ◼   ► to swing really big because in two years we're not going to remember this unless they were

01:13:38 ◼   ► Like oh yeah, Barclays man way to go 3d touch guys

01:13:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't I don't think it's going away, I think the parts have changed

01:13:47 ◼   ► I think it is interesting to talk about how Apple could change it in software

01:13:49 ◼   ► Which of course no analyst has any idea of because software this sort of stuff only leaks when Apple puts out home pod firmware

01:13:55 ◼   ► But I do think there's room for Apple to improve 3d touch, and I think the home screen is the number one place

01:14:02 ◼   ► I love the idea of like exposing shortcuts via 3d touch as opposed to the quick actions. I think I think to

01:14:08 ◼   ► I think if Apple is going to

01:14:11 ◼   ► Like if they're redesigning this like if they're having new parts that make this possible

01:14:16 ◼   ► Maybe we finally see it on the iPad, you know

01:14:19 ◼   ► Maybe whatever is going on here with the hardware allows them to put it on a bigger screen

01:14:23 ◼   ► I don't think that would be for this year's iPads unless we're gonna have a fun surprise

01:14:28 ◼   ► but you know in the future like it's already sort of fragmented between the phone and the tablet and

01:14:35 ◼   ► That's only going to get more noticeable if developers use their Dtouch more

01:14:39 ◼   ► And maybe it's maybe it's time. I mean, what do you guys think?

01:14:43 ◼   ► There's a couple of things that I want to that I want to share about the arguments against 3D touch and

01:14:50 ◼   ► Sort of in favor of 3D touch if that's okay

01:14:53 ◼   ► Because I see these arguments being shared on Twitter though, the first one is accessibility

01:15:00 ◼   ► It's this word that a bunch of people throw around and they say things like

01:15:04 ◼   ► "3D touch is terrible for accessibility and Apple should remove it because it's not easy to use."

01:15:11 ◼   ► And my problem with this statement is that there's different types of accessibility

01:15:22 ◼   ► and different types of inclusive design.

01:15:25 ◼   ► And so while you could make the argument that from a motor skill perspective, 3D touch is

01:15:30 ◼   ► not accessible, on the other hand, I also think it's true that people with vision impediments,

01:15:36 ◼   ► for example, that really don't like the fact that to get to some piece of information,

01:15:42 ◼   ► you need to navigate into multiple screens deep into an app and its navigation stack.

01:15:49 ◼   ► 3D touch as a shortcut to preview content could be an accessibility feature in that

01:15:54 ◼   ► you're saving taps, you're saving time, and you can see, you know, you can get to your

01:15:59 ◼   ► information more quickly.

01:16:00 ◼   ► So the accessibility argument doesn't really hold true because of the different shades

01:16:04 ◼   ► of what inclusive design on iOS means.

01:16:08 ◼   ► The second argument that I could see why 3D Touch may be going away -- so as you can tell,

01:16:15 ◼   ► I'm a little torn on this topic.

01:16:18 ◼   ► The fact that it's still not available on the iPad is a -- should be maybe, I don't

01:16:23 ◼   ► know, a warning sign. But the iPad has its unique set of challenges when it comes to

01:16:29 ◼   ► implementing 3D touch. It's a big display, so if you press hard on the display, of course,

01:16:34 ◼   ► you know, maybe it'll bend, or maybe you're using your iPad on a desk with a smart keyboard

01:16:39 ◼   ► or a smart cover propped up, and if you press on the screen, the iPad will just fall on

01:16:44 ◼   ► the desk. You just push it over the angle of the cover. So that's a problem. But then

01:16:51 ◼   ► Then you look at Apple and you see Apple for example replicating some 3D Touch features

01:16:57 ◼   ► on the iPad with a standard long press.

01:17:01 ◼   ► So things like clearing notifications all at once in iOS 12, you can do that with a

01:17:06 ◼   ► long press.

01:17:07 ◼   ► Or the files widget in iOS 11 that you get on the home screen by long pressing on the

01:17:11 ◼   ► files icon.

01:17:12 ◼   ► That doesn't require 3D Touch at all.

01:17:15 ◼   ► Or also in iOS 12, stuff like notification previews.

01:17:19 ◼   ► You just need to long press, I also think 11 actually, you just need to long press on

01:17:24 ◼   ► a notification and it pops open without having to use pick and pop.

01:17:28 ◼   ► One of the ones that I find the funniest is like on the iPad in Control Center, why can't

01:17:33 ◼   ► I not just tap the home icon?

01:17:35 ◼   ► Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

01:17:36 ◼   ► That doesn't make sense.

01:17:37 ◼   ► Right?

01:17:38 ◼   ► Like, why do I have to long press it?

01:17:40 ◼   ► Like what am I doing now?

01:17:41 ◼   ► But that's another good example.

01:17:42 ◼   ► Control Center, you can expand with a long press.

01:17:45 ◼   ► So the folks who are saying 3D touch is going away because it's useless, just look at the

01:17:50 ◼   ► long press gesture.

01:17:52 ◼   ► That argument also kind of makes sense.

01:17:54 ◼   ► So my main problem, as Steven mentioned, is the fact that you introduce this new technology

01:18:01 ◼   ► and you get developers, you know, you sort of get traction among the developer community

01:18:06 ◼   ► to implement 3D touch.

01:18:09 ◼   ► And it's not a technology that is considered legacy at this point.

01:18:13 ◼   ► I mean, it was introduced four years ago.

01:18:15 ◼   ► It's not like the headphone jack or stuff that was introduced in iOS 3 or iOS 4.

01:18:24 ◼   ► It's a relatively new feature.

01:18:26 ◼   ► And I agree it's not totally discoverable, but just mixing 3D Touch without giving it

01:18:31 ◼   ► a second chance, I don't think it's the right answer.

01:18:37 ◼   ► Especially after you've made such a big deal out of the display technology that you needed

01:18:41 ◼   ► to implement and all these sensors.

01:18:44 ◼   ► You build, as a company, you build the Taptic Engine to provide haptic feedback and work

01:18:50 ◼   ► alongside 3D Touch.

01:18:51 ◼   ► So you make a big deal out of this new feature and then suddenly it just disappears.

01:18:57 ◼   ► While there are plenty of arguments that would justify that, I also think it would be weird,

01:19:03 ◼   ► because it would sort of, it would smell like a failure in modern Apple history.

01:19:11 ◼   ► a huge failure because it's just a feature of the iPhone but still something that was

01:19:16 ◼   ► introduced, made a big splash and just removed four years later, three years later. I don't

01:19:22 ◼   ► think it's a good look.

01:19:24 ◼   ► There's precedent for them changing the way that it works, right? Like at watchOS where

01:19:28 ◼   ► 3D touch has been downplayed, it's still there but I think watchOS in its early days really

01:19:36 ◼   ► struggled with like...

01:19:37 ◼   ► It was the discoverability problem.

01:19:39 ◼   ► There was just too much hidden behind what

01:19:42 ◼   ► was called force press then.

01:19:43 ◼   ► And so they sort of, OK, you don't

01:19:45 ◼   ► have to force press or 3D touch to do everything.

01:19:47 ◼   ► Now you can swipe or do these other things.

01:19:49 ◼   ► And maybe that's where it goes on iOS,

01:19:51 ◼   ► but I think we're in agreement that it's not going away,

01:19:54 ◼   ► that this is an over-reading of the situation by this analyst.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:00 ◼   ► I think one of the key things is there's still

01:20:03 ◼   ► stuff being put behind 3D touch in iOS 12, right?

01:20:07 ◼   ► don't think that you would continue to use 3D touch as heavily as it's used in

01:20:13 ◼   ► iOS and in some places even in Apple's own apps if they were removing not just

01:20:19 ◼   ► like the hardware but the actual feature itself it just doesn't seem realistic

01:20:24 ◼   ► yeah so so I guess we're saying it's here to stay at least for now yeah in

01:20:30 ◼   ► some way right like there may be a change and there probably will be a

01:20:34 ◼   ► change but it's still going to exist like it's still going to be what we know

01:20:39 ◼   ► now but maybe that may be done in a different way maybe they don't need to

01:20:43 ◼   ► use that maybe they're just gonna use do it all in software right that they can

01:20:46 ◼   ► work out like when you're pushing your finger down into the screen more like

01:20:50 ◼   ► that if there is no plate that is recognizing presses or anything like we

01:20:54 ◼   ► don't know but I believe that the next iPhones think we all believe the next

01:20:58 ◼   ► iPhones will use will have 3d touch and then the way that they always have the

01:21:03 ◼   ► tactic mode will be there and it will press on you when you do something like

01:21:06 ◼   ► it's still going to exist. So let me ask you a final question. When you think of

01:21:10 ◼   ► analyst firms, do you think they're like the Wolf of Wall Street? Like tons of, you

01:21:16 ◼   ► know, questionable substances and parties and these people just having the best

01:21:21 ◼   ► time of their life and... This is not a thing that I would be willing to comment

01:21:26 ◼   ► on one way or another. Because I sometimes think about it and I like to

01:21:31 ◼   ► imagine it's like that, you know, and in their spare time they make iPhone predictions.

01:21:37 ◼   ► I worked in a very big company, right?

01:21:40 ◼   ► Don't ruin it for me.

01:21:41 ◼   ► Which would be very similar to a lot of these firms, especially like the Barclays firm,

01:21:46 ◼   ► right?

01:21:47 ◼   ► I think it's a lot more boring than you think it is.

01:21:49 ◼   ► That's too bad.

01:21:50 ◼   ► I'm sorry to say.

01:21:51 ◼   ► Alright, well that's fine.

01:21:53 ◼   ► Good for them.

01:21:54 ◼   ► Alright, Steven, take us home.

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01:22:41 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:22:42 ◼   ► Goodbye.

01:22:43 ◼   ► Oh no.

01:22:44 ◼   ► Oh.

01:22:45 ◼   ► Why?

01:22:46 ◼   ► No, sorry.

01:22:47 ◼   ► Sorry.

01:22:48 ◼   ► No, you just gotta leave it as is.

01:22:49 ◼   ► Sorry.

01:22:50 ◼   ► Well, there you go.

01:22:51 ◼   ► Oh dear.

01:22:52 ◼   ► Adios.

01:22:53 ◼   ► Why?

01:22:54 ◼   ► (laughing)