Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 164.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, Timing, and Encapsular.

00:00:16 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:19 ◼   ► Hello Michael.

00:00:20 ◼   ► And Mrs. Eva Hackett.

00:00:22 ◼   ► We're all together.

00:00:23 ◼   ► So I should probably say, hello everybody.

00:00:26 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:00:29 ◼   ► So we're in Chicago at the Release Notes Conference

00:00:34 ◼   ► and we're recording live together.

00:00:35 ◼   ► And as I was introducing everybody,

00:00:37 ◼   ► so as we're sitting down today,

00:00:38 ◼   ► we're all sitting down at a table right now,

00:00:40 ◼   ► and I have a mental image in my mind

00:00:42 ◼   ► of where Federico and Steven sit at all times.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Which I've only just realized today,

00:00:47 ◼   ► and then they wouldn't sit that way,

00:00:49 ◼   ► so they sit the other direction.

00:00:51 ◼   ► So when I was about to introduce Federico,

00:00:53 ◼   ► I pointed at Steven.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - I thought it was a fake out.

00:00:55 ◼   ► No, and then I have to point right the way back again.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Because you're in the wrong places.

00:00:59 ◼   ► You're in the wrong places.

00:00:59 ◼   ► But yeah, we are in Chicago.

00:01:01 ◼   ► We've had a great few days.

00:01:02 ◼   ► We went to the movies together, and we saw Blade Runner.

00:01:04 ◼   ► We did.

00:01:05 ◼   ► That was nice.

00:01:06 ◼   ► And then IMAX screens are huge.

00:01:08 ◼   ► It's incredible.

00:01:09 ◼   ► They're so big, and it's really loud, but that was nice.

00:01:12 ◼   ► And we've got the release notes conference coming up.

00:01:15 ◼   ► We went to Field Notes together.

00:01:17 ◼   ► It was really nice.

00:01:18 ◼   ► It's been a lovely weekend together.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it has been.

00:01:20 ◼   ► But we have--

00:01:21 ◼   ► We have work to do.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Oh, I missed my cue.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:01:24 ◼   ► - Follow up.

00:01:25 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:27 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:01:27 ◼   ► I can't go that deep.

00:01:28 ◼   ► - Follow up.

00:01:29 ◼   ► - So we're gonna start with emergency bypass.

00:01:32 ◼   ► Last week, or like two days ago

00:01:34 ◼   ► when we recorded the show last time,

00:01:35 ◼   ► we talked about this feature in iOS 11

00:01:38 ◼   ► where you can have a contact do something

00:01:40 ◼   ► with Do Not Disturb, I don't know.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Kyle said it was new, but Kyle was wrong.

00:01:43 ◼   ► This is really the follow up, is that Kyle was wrong.

00:01:45 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:01:46 ◼   ► - Casey Litt, that can't be a real name.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Casey Litts.

00:01:51 ◼   ► - It's a K and then a C.

00:01:53 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:01:54 ◼   ► A.C.Liss wrote about this in 2016 and was personally offended that I didn't remember.

00:02:01 ◼   ► Sorry Casey.

00:02:02 ◼   ► He was re-upset.

00:02:03 ◼   ► He's like, "You don't read my blog," he says, and then sends a link to us in our Slack,

00:02:06 ◼   ► which we then have to talk about on the show.

00:02:08 ◼   ► So he'll be vindicated about the fact that we've now read his blog.

00:02:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:12 ◼   ► He wrote his own CMS, he's very proud of it.

00:02:15 ◼   ► He should be.

00:02:16 ◼   ► We had some follow-up on the Pixel Buds.

00:02:19 ◼   ► So the Google event, they had this really, I thought, a very pretty cool demo where they

00:02:23 ◼   ► their earbuds and someone was talking into the phone and they heard it in

00:02:27 ◼   ► their language and they talked in their language and it came out English through

00:02:30 ◼   ► the speakers of the phone back to the other person so you can just have this

00:02:33 ◼   ► conversation very complicated but cool and we got a couple pieces of feedback

00:02:36 ◼   ► saying that can't iOS do this with the Google apps and so we tried it because

00:02:42 ◼   ► their pods turns out we know somebody who speaks another language besides just

00:02:46 ◼   ► English I'm learning Romanian this true it's true yeah and that's actually how

00:02:51 ◼   ► we did test it was I said some Romanian things that is actually true the way

00:02:55 ◼   ► that we did it even though we have Federico in the room because me and

00:02:57 ◼   ► Federico we mean Steven wanted put this in a document me and Federico we felt

00:03:02 ◼   ► adequately trouble shooted shot trouble trouble shot it trouble shot is that is

00:03:10 ◼   ► that it treble shade yeah and so we felt like we knew what would happen is that

00:03:16 ◼   ► if you had the air pods in it would only ever play the audio through the air pods

00:03:20 ◼   ► So it's never gonna play out the speaker to the other person Stephen was unhappy about the fact you have to be thorough

00:03:25 ◼   ► We had not correctly troubleshooted it. So we then tested it and it wouldn't work

00:03:30 ◼   ► so the way what would happen is if you had the air pods in and

00:03:33 ◼   ► You're having somebody speak to you. You would hear the audio

00:03:37 ◼   ► But then when you did the translation the other way you still hear the audio there's a solution to this

00:03:41 ◼   ► You share air pods you say there's I would never do it because it's disgusting but you take your

00:03:47 ◼   ► Really disgusting you put it in their ear like everything is wrong

00:03:51 ◼   ► Now we're communicating air pods are brilliant, but they are horrible your ears very soft. Please don't touch it

00:03:58 ◼   ► Why is it so sweaty?

00:04:01 ◼   ► People here and this would be cool though, and it seems like something I mean the

00:04:08 ◼   ► obviously Google is doing special stuff for the audio routing to make this work and

00:04:12 ◼   ► Then I let Google do that like Siri you should be able to do

00:04:17 ◼   ► Something like this would be a great feature for iOS to have Siri could do that

00:04:20 ◼   ► They could do that exactly because it's so I mean I can just picture so many times. It'd be useful

00:04:23 ◼   ► So anyways so Google Google can't do it on iOS, but so we tested it so you don't have to worry

00:04:31 ◼   ► I made sure that we did our jobs correctly trouble shout

00:04:33 ◼   ► troubleshooting

00:04:36 ◼   ► Mm-hmm we did want to briefly mention our friends at app camp. They have an Indiegogo page up right now

00:04:43 ◼   ► It's called app camp 2020. They are trying to

00:04:46 ◼   ► expand into three more cities and

00:04:48 ◼   ► We just can't say enough great things about app camp

00:04:52 ◼   ► I know they're so close to the heart of of the community that we're a part of the Apple community

00:04:57 ◼   ► There'll be a link in the show notes. If you haven't read about this project. It's incredible review. Yeah, what's wrong with you?

00:05:03 ◼   ► First of all, mm-hmm five little pixels in your home page. I linked to it days ago. Yep, you did

00:05:07 ◼   ► That's where I got the the link for the show someone reads it. So go check it out send some money their way

00:05:13 ◼   ► It's just a great a great way to be involved. There's there's pucks

00:05:17 ◼   ► It's it's like a you know, it's a regular crowdfunding campaign

00:05:19 ◼   ► If you give enough Jean will tattoo the app camp logo on your body directly. Yeah, okay

00:05:24 ◼   ► It's a lot of money you have to give

00:05:26 ◼   ► But she probably would do it if you asked nicely. It's fine. Mm-hmm. Homemade tattoo is not a good idea

00:05:31 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. Now we have an audience with us today. Oh, I need to ask a question

00:05:36 ◼   ► I would like to see if we can get some audience participation for this next question and follow on Oh No, so audience

00:05:42 ◼   ► Audience, does Google Docs have drag and drop?

00:05:45 ◼   ► No.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Everyone's shaking their heads, everyone's really upset.

00:05:49 ◼   ► We can't hear the upsetness unless you say it.

00:05:52 ◼   ► Let's try it again.

00:05:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:54 ◼   ► Audience, does Google Docs have drag and drop?

00:05:57 ◼   ► No.

00:05:58 ◼   ► There you go.

00:06:00 ◼   ► Thank you, Alan.

00:06:01 ◼   ► That felt good.

00:06:02 ◼   ► I heard just Alan Pike in my head.

00:06:04 ◼   ► Yeah, it was really loud.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I have some very special follow-up.

00:06:08 ◼   ► Steven's laptop is broken.

00:06:10 ◼   ► The iKey fell off.

00:06:11 ◼   ► I should have brought it with me. It's on top of my dresser and my Airbnb so I don't lose it

00:06:16 ◼   ► So Stevens keyboard just emits this little light now. You can show it to everybody

00:06:20 ◼   ► There is no IKEA on the laptop anymore

00:06:24 ◼   ► Steven is just beautiful. I can tell that someone who's used a broken MacBook Air for three years

00:06:30 ◼   ► That is just perfect. It's wonderful. Do you know what doesn't break smart keyboards don't break

00:06:36 ◼   ► There's a lovely fabric and it keeps the keys on.

00:06:39 ◼   ► - It's gonna bend. - And it doesn't make

00:06:40 ◼   ► a horrible noise and the keys don't get stuck.

00:06:42 ◼   ► - I've learned that I hit the I key in the corner apparently

00:06:46 ◼   ► 'cause it works if I press the center of it really hard.

00:06:48 ◼   ► And so all of our texts this weekend,

00:06:50 ◼   ► if I've been on my computer,

00:06:51 ◼   ► but I wrote an article yesterday morning

00:06:54 ◼   ► and there were no I's in it.

00:06:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:06:57 ◼   ► I rewrote a sentence to avoid saying the word I.

00:07:00 ◼   ► - The letter I. - The letter I.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Well-- - Oh, it was that.

00:07:04 ◼   ► I can't see what you're doing. - The letter and the word.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Thank you, Style Guide.

00:07:07 ◼   ► - So here's the thing.

00:07:08 ◼   ► I'm fed up with this laptop.

00:07:09 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:07:10 ◼   ► - So I have a little bit of an announcement

00:07:11 ◼   ► to make live on the show.

00:07:12 ◼   ► - iPad.

00:07:13 ◼   ► - No, but I am, I do have another computer

00:07:16 ◼   ► that I'm gonna use tonight.

00:07:18 ◼   ► Done with this. - What is going on here?

00:07:19 ◼   ► - Oh no, I didn't know he died.

00:07:21 ◼   ► - Did you know about this?

00:07:22 ◼   ► - No, I have no idea. - Did you know about this?

00:07:23 ◼   ► - What's he doing?

00:07:24 ◼   ► - What is he--

00:07:25 ◼   ► - Steven's rustling around in a bag right now

00:07:28 ◼   ► for the audio. - Is this unscripted?

00:07:29 ◼   ► - He's taking way too long to get this done.

00:07:31 ◼   ► Oh no! - No!

00:07:33 ◼   ► (audience cheers)

00:07:36 ◼   ► - Okay, so this is a iBook G3.

00:07:42 ◼   ► - There's a Blueberry claim show iBook G3.

00:07:45 ◼   ► - He's legit like getting a power cord for this now,

00:07:48 ◼   ► 'cause I expect it won't last more than 20 minutes.

00:07:51 ◼   ► - It won't.

00:07:52 ◼   ► - Does Google Docs work on that?

00:07:53 ◼   ► - I have a text file of the Google Docs

00:07:56 ◼   ► saved on the desktop already.

00:07:57 ◼   ► - That's why you did that.

00:07:59 ◼   ► I get it, 'cause earlier he was like,

00:08:02 ◼   ► "Oh, just for safety reasons, in case we lose all internet connection, I'm going to save a text file of our show notes."

00:08:08 ◼   ► That's why they walked in and I saw a USB key into his computer.

00:08:11 ◼   ► Garbage magnifier.

00:08:12 ◼   ► Someone just walked in and is hacking, Steven.

00:08:14 ◼   ► I cannot believe you're doing this.

00:08:17 ◼   ► So I went through airport security with two laptops in my bag. You're not supposed to do that.

00:08:21 ◼   ► That's barely a laptop, though.

00:08:23 ◼   ► They pulled it out and they were like, "What fresh hell is this?"

00:08:26 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:08:28 ◼   ► It's, to answer I know there's a lot of burning questions about this. Let me give you some

00:08:33 ◼   ► specs of my new laptop. You can't stop me. These show notes look so bad on this, like

00:08:40 ◼   ► so bad. What font is that? I don't know. 300 megahertz PowerPC G3. That's enough. 576 megabytes

00:08:49 ◼   ► of RAM because I have five of these. I pulled RAM out of another one to upgrade this one.

00:08:53 ◼   ► And what is wrong with you?

00:08:56 ◼   ► Please like and subscribe to my youtube channel

00:09:01 ◼   ► And it's running Mac OS 10 point two point eight it makes so much noise when you click it

00:09:09 ◼   ► Yeah, it does. I was going to bring the orange one because it looks cooler

00:09:12 ◼   ► But the hard drive failed when I was installing it was 10

00:09:15 ◼   ► So I brought the I brought this one so now I have to scroll to where we are

00:09:19 ◼   ► I legit had we had no what we had no I

00:09:22 ◼   ► Had this was really afraid you're gonna pick up my backpack and ask why it weighed 14 pounds. Yeah

00:09:27 ◼   ► I'm ready to go now. All right, so

00:09:30 ◼   ► That's better should take our first break so we can all calm down a little bit from this

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00:10:41 ◼   ► Little update mm-hmm my laptop also has a handle

00:10:43 ◼   ► That's really good in case you to get up go to the back of the room. Yeah point we can do that now Oh

00:10:49 ◼   ► Google home mini

00:10:53 ◼   ► So let's get into this a little bit how many and you I see bullet points in your iPad that weren't here when I copied

00:10:58 ◼   ► the text

00:11:00 ◼   ► Oh, no, so I'll take care of it so I think we

00:11:06 ◼   ► And we spoke pretty well about this product last week the Google home mini aside from it having that weird fabric covering that all

00:11:12 ◼   ► These products seem to have now. Oh, we have some follow-up on that. Most speakers have cloth over the over the speaker part, right?

00:11:18 ◼   ► But these aren't just speakers though, like they're not

00:11:20 ◼   ► Whatever like whatever everything's getting this this cloth now anyway

00:11:25 ◼   ► Artem rusakovsky of Android police was writing a review of the Google home mini

00:11:32 ◼   ► Which is the little puck thing that they have now and realized that it was recording constantly

00:11:38 ◼   ► Google recognized there was an issue with the sensor that they have on the top

00:11:46 ◼   ► So you have the sensors and you compress it to talk into it or to turn the volume up and down and they said they

00:11:50 ◼   ► Would issue a software patch to fix this problem then a few days later

00:11:54 ◼   ► They said actually we need to disable that sensor permanently

00:11:58 ◼   ► So if you have one of these now you cannot operate the sensors and I love my favorite part of the press

00:12:04 ◼   ► Comment that Google gave it's like but everybody loves to just do it with their voice anyway, then why did you ever include the button?

00:12:11 ◼   ► Right like if nobody ever uses it. Why is it there so if you have one of these you now cannot control the

00:12:18 ◼   ► Anything with hardware except you can mute it on the back. That's the only thing that still works

00:12:23 ◼   ► There is no word on whether this feature will ever return and Google is just saying to use your voice because it's a hardware like

00:12:29 ◼   ► It's a hardware problem creating the worst software problem imaginable on a voice assistant

00:12:33 ◼   ► Yeah, I assume they they tried to tweak it right like there's maybe some sensitivity stuff

00:12:38 ◼   ► They could do some firmware stuff

00:12:39 ◼   ► Maybe you get an exacto knife and cut the cloth away, and it would work

00:12:42 ◼   ► Maybe that'll be the maybe they're just post everybody out. It's an actual like you make an actual patch because the patch

00:12:47 ◼   ► Real good, that's really good

00:12:52 ◼   ► That's considering you didn't have these notes. You didn't write that in advance now very proud of you right now

00:12:57 ◼   ► I'm literally here all week though. So I think that like

00:13:00 ◼   ► Stop laughing at him

00:13:04 ◼   ► So I think that like

00:13:07 ◼   ► What Google have done it is fine like whatever not their response was appropriate. Their response is appropriate. I

00:13:13 ◼   ► Really wish it wasn't Google though

00:13:16 ◼   ► Because like if anything like this happens to Google, you know

00:13:19 ◼   ► Everyone's just like listen everything you have to say right like it's any other company would have been fine, but like Google why?

00:13:26 ◼   ► Like you know how people feel about you like it really frustrated

00:13:31 ◼   ► They did say they've ensured they deleted all of the audio from the capture by the defective models

00:13:36 ◼   ► But then I'm still like but did you though right? It's like even now I'm like but did you know it's just looks

00:13:41 ◼   ► I think it's important to note -

00:13:43 ◼   ► It's believed that the vast majority if not all of the models affected were given to press

00:13:48 ◼   ► Before and so if you go out and buy one and I don't give them away

00:13:51 ◼   ► Oh, yeah

00:13:52 ◼   ► They come in New York and stuff and a bunch of places up these like pop-up shops and donut shops

00:13:56 ◼   ► And that's you really go in and they just go to the mic yet and they would even like it

00:14:01 ◼   ► And it was like a like a lucky dip type thing

00:14:03 ◼   ► You would either get a donut or a Google home if you were really hungry and you were sad you got to eat the Google home

00:14:09 ◼   ► So yeah, but it's gonna run a software update if you buy one and you're gonna be fine

00:14:15 ◼   ► But yes, it's it's the worst thing that happened to buy a thing and then have all the buttons to say well

00:14:20 ◼   ► But it arrives to you. I mean, that's how I feel about my MacBook Pro exactly

00:14:24 ◼   ► It's the same thing so I got a scroll down if we're moving on yeah minute

00:14:30 ◼   ► I'm ready. Is this not I guess this doesn't have any way to like no swipe on the right you have to click

00:14:37 ◼   ► Do you have multi touch on that?

00:14:39 ◼   ► No, no trackpad super small and a super small the keyboards really good though

00:14:44 ◼   ► No keys have fallen off. This came out in 1999, has 100% of the keys.

00:14:49 ◼   ► MacBook Pro 2016, eh, some of them.

00:14:52 ◼   ► Alright, I'm done. I'm done making fun of the MacBook Pro.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Let's talk about something called Drag and Drop and an app called Bear.

00:14:58 ◼   ► I don't know anything about any of these things.

00:15:00 ◼   ► So there's this new update to Bear, the note-taking app for iOS.

00:15:03 ◼   ► Is it like Evernote?

00:15:05 ◼   ► Except no workshop.

00:15:07 ◼   ► Oh man, I need that.

00:15:08 ◼   ► There's a bear instead of an elephant.

00:15:10 ◼   ► It's pretty good.

00:15:11 ◼   ► It's all animals.

00:15:12 ◼   ► - It's good. - They have long memory.

00:15:15 ◼   ► - If Apple Notes was gonna be an animal, what would it be?

00:15:18 ◼   ► It's yellow, that rolls it down, that mirrors it down.

00:15:21 ◼   ► Maybe a giraffe? - Giraffe.

00:15:22 ◼   ► - Maybe giraffe, yeah.

00:15:23 ◼   ► - 'Cause it's kinda yellow and got some brown in there.

00:15:25 ◼   ► - Or a lion, could be lion. - A lion.

00:15:26 ◼   ► - Lion's good. - Anyway.

00:15:28 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:15:30 ◼   ► - Sorry. - No, let's keep talking

00:15:31 ◼   ► about yellow animals.

00:15:32 ◼   ► Canaries, canaries are yellow.

00:15:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, Myke. - Chicks,

00:15:36 ◼   ► like little baby chicks. - Baby chickens,

00:15:37 ◼   ► oh, baby chickens are adorable.

00:15:38 ◼   ► - Little baby chick's a good one.

00:15:40 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:15:41 ◼   ► What was that one?

00:15:42 ◼   ► Canaries.

00:15:43 ◼   ► Canaries are yellow.

00:15:44 ◼   ► Peeps, the weird Easter candy.

00:15:45 ◼   ► They're yellow animals though.

00:15:46 ◼   ► I mean, we can go on.

00:15:47 ◼   ► Do you have any more?

00:15:48 ◼   ► Not really.

00:15:49 ◼   ► Okay, then you can carry on.

00:15:50 ◼   ► Tell us about Bear.

00:15:51 ◼   ► So, now that I've had the time to actually work on iOS 11, they launched this first update

00:16:00 ◼   ► last month, and they had this basic drag and drop support.

00:16:04 ◼   ► You can drag in text, you can drag up text and images and the basic stuff.

00:16:07 ◼   ► Now they have this sort of special feature. They call it the drop bar which by the way, there's this meme

00:16:13 ◼   ► I don't know. It's basically like this

00:16:15 ◼   ► Mythical creature from Australia. It's called the drop bear

00:16:18 ◼   ► Yeah, and that would have been just amazing in the app, but they call it the drop bar which so close

00:16:24 ◼   ► So here's the thing here. It's this animal that kind of jumps from trees and kills you. Yeah

00:16:29 ◼   ► I know this is gonna play into your thoughts about how I relate to the internet. I have no idea what you're talking about

00:16:36 ◼   ► about oh it was like audible gasps computer to find some stuff out

00:16:44 ◼   ► didn't even connect to the internet I mean it can I installed an airport card

00:16:51 ◼   ► it's optional oh god what do you do let's see anyway anyway yeah so now

00:17:02 ◼   ► Basically you can pick up notes from there and when you start dragging you

00:17:08 ◼   ► get this little floating menu at the bottom and you can drop in a note and

00:17:11 ◼   ► when you do so you get this bunch of special features like multiple notes as

00:17:15 ◼   ► well. You can do the multi-select with native drag and drop on iOS 11 and you

00:17:19 ◼   ► get all these features like you can pin a note to the top of your list you can

00:17:22 ◼   ► copy, you can put them in trash, you can export in multiple formats and my point is that it's

00:17:29 ◼   ► fascinating to me that we've seen like multiple waves of drag and drop support

00:17:33 ◼   ► like as soon as the I mean with some exceptions like Castro for example yeah

00:17:38 ◼   ► oh she's sitting right there Castro is unbelievable drag and drop it's one of

00:17:46 ◼   ► its because it's like with bear I think everybody assumed drag and drop is

00:17:50 ◼   ► purely like take this thing take it to another place sure like that was how I

00:17:55 ◼   ► think it was Apple spent time showing it but there's so many things you can do

00:17:58 ◼   ► inside of your app if you think about it right yeah and bear done that whether

00:18:03 ◼   ► it's like reordering of multiple items in a list that's like an easy one that's

00:18:07 ◼   ► the real drains like an easy way the kibitz an obvious one yeah but the idea

00:18:11 ◼   ► of like taking a bunch of notes dropping them to a place and performing bulk

00:18:14 ◼   ► actions on them like that's really cool yeah and and it kind of shows how there

00:18:19 ◼   ► can be like multiple levels of updates throughout time as developers familiarize

00:18:24 ◼   ► with iOS 11 all the features but also you can now do things like from Safari

00:18:29 ◼   ► you can select text and that may be rich text with images and headings and you

00:18:34 ◼   ► know links for example formatting you drop it into bear and it converts from

00:18:38 ◼   ► HTML and rich text whatever it's called to the native markdown format which is

00:18:43 ◼   ► amazing which is really nice like I don't know if you Mac users know but

00:18:48 ◼   ► like for us iOS users stuff like that is really useful otherwise we'll be

00:18:52 ◼   ► sitting there and you have to like you just have to reformat it by hand which

00:18:56 ◼   ► typically is how we do things but now we get doesn't it automatically if you

00:19:00 ◼   ► strange that we're sort of so happy for rich tech support well I mean but hey

00:19:07 ◼   ► tech support is so but does that have rich tech support Steven yes it does

00:19:10 ◼   ► Wow look at you we're only like 16 years behind but there is this look there is

00:19:18 ◼   ► like a meme in, no it's fine, this is one I'm okay with, in like the developer

00:19:25 ◼   ► community like when something is announced it's like we know it's gonna

00:19:29 ◼   ► be one thing but when developers have time to live with it it can be something

00:19:33 ◼   ► more right like it's like what happens over time is more interesting than

00:19:37 ◼   ► what happens like initially so it's like the same with like the iPhone 10 is the

00:19:42 ◼   ► designs are gonna be just like we need to support this make sure that we fill

00:19:46 ◼   ► screen up, let's get it out there, but then after a few months we might, and I

00:19:49 ◼   ► believe we'll start to see a lot more tailored design for the notches, the

00:19:55 ◼   ► bad man is. So and then that was a slow burn, but they got it. I want to talk about

00:20:03 ◼   ► the watch app there as well because they have just introduced a watch app with

00:20:06 ◼   ► this new release which is super simple, you just dictate notes to it,

00:20:11 ◼   ► you can create notes and append to notes and if you have both apps open for a

00:20:15 ◼   ► while and let it sync you can also append to notes that already exist so it

00:20:19 ◼   ► loads them all in but what notes you can create on the watch you can then just

00:20:23 ◼   ► append to them super simple but it works independently from the iPhone so with

00:20:27 ◼   ► the LTE watch over Wi-Fi it works and this is great because last week I was

00:20:33 ◼   ► swimming and I had a great idea and I was like I'll open the Apple notes app

00:20:36 ◼   ► on my watch that doesn't exist which I thought was an obvious one that seems

00:20:40 ◼   ► like a real obvious one to exist but it doesn't but now I can do it with bear

00:20:43 ◼   ► This is a great app like it's a really nice app, and you know it's made in Italy so oh no wonder

00:20:49 ◼   ► No wonder all the great things come from it nepotism there

00:20:53 ◼   ► nepotism

00:20:55 ◼   ► everyone's

00:20:57 ◼   ► Patriotism patriotism. Thank you, man. These they're not related. It's a small country, but we're not related

00:21:02 ◼   ► Do you know that though have you checked? I mean I live next door, Arkansas

00:21:07 ◼   ► Let's not do that

00:21:12 ◼   ► Last week last week on the show you may remember that we had a lengthy discussion about email apps

00:21:19 ◼   ► And at the time everyone was riveted

00:21:22 ◼   ► at the time

00:21:24 ◼   ► My two co-hosts were oh I use Apple's mail app and it's great and the apps that you use Michael Doman stupid

00:21:30 ◼   ► Well, I don't remember this

00:21:32 ◼   ► Federico how is mail app treating you this week?

00:21:36 ◼   ► Do I need to answer you do need to answer?

00:21:39 ◼   ► It's in a folder hashtag Myke was right. No. Yes

00:21:43 ◼   ► you're not using it anymore and I said you shouldn't use it and you're not and so I've been traveling with Federico for a

00:21:48 ◼   ► few days and

00:21:49 ◼   ► I think he has been using a different email app every day for the last five days

00:21:55 ◼   ► And he's been really struggling and he's super mad at all of them. I think well

00:22:01 ◼   ► Here's the problem. The perfect email app for me does not exist. Yeah exists for nobody

00:22:07 ◼   ► You just have to choose the one that you're most comfortable with.

00:22:10 ◼   ► That's the other problem.

00:22:11 ◼   ► I'm not comfortable with anything at the moment because like I've been using like this bunch of email apps.

00:22:17 ◼   ► So like four or five of them maybe and

00:22:21 ◼   ► every one of them has a great feature or like great design detail that I really like

00:22:25 ◼   ► but none of them have the combination of all the aspects that I would like to see.

00:22:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:31 ◼   ► So you've seen me jump from

00:22:34 ◼   ► again, you know between the two.

00:22:36 ◼   ► - So, Airmel, Spark, Newton, Outlook was involved.

00:22:41 ◼   ► - Ooh, Outlook, I didn't see that one.

00:22:43 ◼   ► Things got dark.

00:22:44 ◼   ► - I was kind of feeling bad about it,

00:22:46 ◼   ► so I've been trying email apps where you were not looking.

00:22:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:22:50 ◼   ► - Because you were judging me at one point,

00:22:52 ◼   ► so I was feeling really bad, but yeah.

00:22:56 ◼   ► So what I would really like to have is,

00:23:00 ◼   ► I mean, if I had like a few million dollars, right,

00:23:03 ◼   ► to spend on an email app.

00:23:04 ◼   ► - Is that how much they cost?

00:23:06 ◼   ► - Well, I don't know.

00:23:08 ◼   ► - Okay, probably.

00:23:09 ◼   ► - They're not free.

00:23:10 ◼   ► - We have a bunch of developers.

00:23:12 ◼   ► - Can I just write an email out for us?

00:23:14 ◼   ► - A few million dollars, yeah.

00:23:15 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:23:16 ◼   ► - I would like to state that Relay FM LLC

00:23:18 ◼   ► has not entered any contracts with Alan, or anyone.

00:23:22 ◼   ► - So if Relay FM can expense a few million dollars for it,

00:23:26 ◼   ► okay, that's right.

00:23:27 ◼   ► Anyway, I would like to have like a combination

00:23:31 ◼   ► of AirMail because it's fast, the interface is simple and fluid. I would also like to

00:23:38 ◼   ► have the elegance of Spark, the integrations of AirMail, and the amazing settings screen.

00:23:44 ◼   ► What about the bugs from AirMail? Do you want those?

00:23:47 ◼   ► Not the bugs from AirMail.

00:23:48 ◼   ► Oh, I had a new one. I was like, we're in the airport and I'm trying to convince Federico

00:23:54 ◼   ► about AirMail again. And I send an email and I have like five email accounts of a unified

00:24:01 ◼   ► inbox for an hour only one of those accounts are showing in the unified

00:24:06 ◼   ► inbox it didn't matter what I did like a combination of force quitting the app

00:24:11 ◼   ► and it just wouldn't it just wouldn't it just have one email account in the email

00:24:15 ◼   ► inbox and he's looking at me and after all of this he still convinced me to try

00:24:19 ◼   ► our mail so I was writing a really important message to a PR person and I

00:24:27 ◼   ► I can post my message.

00:24:29 ◼   ► I can post my--

00:24:29 ◼   ► you know they're important.

00:24:31 ◼   ► They like the replies.

00:24:34 ◼   ► I add my read receipts because it's all business, you know?

00:24:37 ◼   ► So I need to know when to read my message.

00:24:39 ◼   ► And I'm like, OK, Neil, I just need to fix some typos.

00:24:43 ◼   ► I try to scroll the message, and it doesn't scroll anymore.

00:24:46 ◼   ► Yeah, that was real bad.

00:24:47 ◼   ► And I didn't know how--

00:24:49 ◼   ► I think I rotated my iPhone like five times.

00:24:52 ◼   ► And eventually, I was able to scroll.

00:24:54 ◼   ► But then I realized, what have you made me do, Myke?

00:24:56 ◼   ► - Install a mostly better email app.

00:25:00 ◼   ► - Well, okay, so that was also a beta,

00:25:02 ◼   ► so it's not completely fair to the RML guys.

00:25:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not fair, it's not fair.

00:25:06 ◼   ► - But I also think that, like I was trying RML,

00:25:08 ◼   ► I was like, you know, all these integrations,

00:25:10 ◼   ► like I can save tasks to Do-It,

00:25:12 ◼   ► and I can have all these settings, that's amazing,

00:25:14 ◼   ► and I want that, but I also want to have like

00:25:17 ◼   ► stable email client that actually makes me scroll my text.

00:25:22 ◼   ► - So let me, what if there's a simple,

00:25:24 ◼   ► would this be a solution that would work?

00:25:26 ◼   ► and this is gonna sound bananas.

00:25:28 ◼   ► - I'm not gonna get an iBook G4.

00:25:31 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:25:31 ◼   ► That's not gonna happen.

00:25:32 ◼   ► - It's not a G4.

00:25:33 ◼   ► - If you say G, that's something.

00:25:34 ◼   ► - If you say Newton.

00:25:36 ◼   ► - An actual Newton?

00:25:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're gonna go.

00:25:37 ◼   ► - He's not gonna bring any of this.

00:25:38 ◼   ► - Okay, so this is a serious--

00:25:40 ◼   ► - No, seriously.

00:25:41 ◼   ► If Apple were to add an actual share sheet in mail,

00:25:45 ◼   ► would that get you what you want?

00:25:46 ◼   ► 'Cause you would get the niceties of mail

00:25:48 ◼   ► and you could send stuff via extensions

00:25:50 ◼   ► and not nice integrations like Airmail,

00:25:51 ◼   ► but I feel like that would be enough for me at least.

00:25:54 ◼   ► What about you?

00:25:55 ◼   ► So I've gotten used to these modern features

00:25:58 ◼   ► that some developers do, stuff like read receipts

00:26:01 ◼   ► to be able to know when someone reads your message.

00:26:03 ◼   ► I don't use them always, but I do want them sometimes.

00:26:05 ◼   ► - You use them with me?

00:26:07 ◼   ► - I'm not telling you.

00:26:08 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:26:11 ◼   ► Well, if I said no, that would mean that I just don't care

00:26:14 ◼   ► if you read my message.

00:26:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:26:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's best for you just not to know.

00:26:18 ◼   ► It's best not to know.

00:26:19 ◼   ► - Ignorance is bliss.

00:26:19 ◼   ► - I use them for you because they're really important to me.

00:26:22 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:26:23 ◼   ► - But there's also these other features,

00:26:24 ◼   ► Like I want to be able to snooze my messages.

00:26:26 ◼   ► And I'm not sure that Apple wants

00:26:28 ◼   ► to do all of these modern features,

00:26:30 ◼   ► because they seem kind of to be against this modernization

00:26:33 ◼   ► of Apple Mail.

00:26:34 ◼   ► And I just don't see them do features

00:26:36 ◼   ► like push notifications, for example.

00:26:38 ◼   ► Are they ever going to do push for Gmail accounts?

00:26:41 ◼   ► It's the Cold War.

00:26:42 ◼   ► So it's not just one feature like I want the share sheet.

00:26:44 ◼   ► It's a collection of all these modern takes on email

00:26:48 ◼   ► that others are doing.

00:26:50 ◼   ► But each one of those companies is doing one aspect.

00:26:53 ◼   ► and I want all of them, right?

00:26:56 ◼   ► And that's just not possible.

00:26:58 ◼   ► - You just need to use four email apps.

00:26:59 ◼   ► - Done, no. - And then you can just

00:27:00 ◼   ► switch between each one, depending on what you need,

00:27:03 ◼   ► it'll be easy.

00:27:04 ◼   ► - If you need to scroll, don't use airmail.

00:27:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, you just, if you're halfway through a message

00:27:07 ◼   ► and you can't scroll it, you just save the draft,

00:27:09 ◼   ► you open Spark. - Oh, that's a life hack.

00:27:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, and then you can-- - It's not a life hack.

00:27:13 ◼   ► - Open the draft, and then you just scroll it,

00:27:14 ◼   ► and then when you start scrolling,

00:27:15 ◼   ► you go back to airmail again,

00:27:17 ◼   ► and put the reader's name on it, and then send it.

00:27:19 ◼   ► - Hashtag Myke was right. - It's easy, no, it's easy.

00:27:22 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

00:27:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I've been like--

00:27:25 ◼   ► and when I'm not sure which apps I want to use,

00:27:28 ◼   ► I have this bug in my brain, and it really stresses me out,

00:27:32 ◼   ► like for real.

00:27:33 ◼   ► I get really upset.

00:27:34 ◼   ► It's like when I couldn't decide between Apple Music

00:27:36 ◼   ► and Spotify.

00:27:37 ◼   ► I get really upset.

00:27:38 ◼   ► I realize it's a problem.

00:27:40 ◼   ► The other thing you were getting really--

00:27:42 ◼   ► he's like, oh, the scrolling performance

00:27:43 ◼   ► isn't good enough in airmail.

00:27:44 ◼   ► I'm very upset about this.

00:27:46 ◼   ► I cannot use applications where the scrolling isn't smooth.

00:27:49 ◼   ► And that was when he deleted it.

00:27:50 ◼   ► I was like, okay

00:27:52 ◼   ► Slowly sometimes we just have to slowly walk away from the eye

00:27:55 ◼   ► It was skipping frames as you were scrolling the settings. Oh

00:27:59 ◼   ► You you're so happy with all those settings and then when you scroll them it's like you don't need them that much though

00:28:08 ◼   ► But it's a sign of if the settings screen scroll slowly. What else could possibly go wrong? Well, you cannot scroll your message

00:28:19 ◼   ► I mean we should again just for the sake of this we are both using beta software

00:28:24 ◼   ► Yeah, right like it is just worth pointing that out like I don't know what bugs there are in the shipping version

00:28:30 ◼   ► But we are both using beta versions. Yeah, that's why I love the air my guys. They're also Italian so

00:28:34 ◼   ► Yes, so you need to say what you need is you need bear to buy air mail

00:28:41 ◼   ► Oh god, it then they would make bear mail bear milk

00:28:45 ◼   ► Or air bear what's not fair is when I make these jokes when it's just the three of us everyone just groans at me

00:28:52 ◼   ► But when you make them there's so many people here to laugh because it's funnier

00:28:55 ◼   ► I

00:28:59 ◼   ► Can't thanks so much for listening everybody

00:29:01 ◼   ► Cuz any bothy so we didn't tell me like what am I supposed to use a male?

00:29:10 ◼   ► All right, it is a bummer and I agree with you Federico Apple seems almost allergic to adding

00:29:16 ◼   ► Right modern takes because I mean mail

00:29:18 ◼   ► I mean, I'm not gonna bring this machine up anymore after this but mail on this machine

00:29:22 ◼   ► Right 10.2 is basically mail running on high Sierra like there's no I mean name one drastically different feature like you

00:29:29 ◼   ► They're not part of the problem. I'm not a serious support. No, that's that we need that part

00:29:35 ◼   ► I think part of the problem is stuff. So a lot of stuff that's that you are asking for

00:29:39 ◼   ► I think requires server-side stuff that they're just not gonna do right because spark and all these email some of these email clients are doing

00:29:46 ◼   ► Things because they have access to your account in a way that Apple does it but a share sheet doesn't need that

00:29:51 ◼   ► Just put a share sheet in it. It is really weird that there's no she in mail

00:29:55 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know this because I honestly have not used mail in about three years because it is junk

00:29:59 ◼   ► But okay, that's a hot I really don't like it. It's like all it like you got apps like notes, which is so good

00:30:06 ◼   ► It's really yeah, and like the the mail app has just done it doesn't do a stagnant

00:30:10 ◼   ► But it's like even little things that like I you know

00:30:12 ◼   ► Cuz I I can see like if they don't want to do snooze and stuff and they don't want to push notification

00:30:16 ◼   ► She went fine, but like smart folders stuff that is already on the Mac. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me

00:30:22 ◼   ► No bringing to iOS. I don't understand. It's like oh you made the the title bigger like yeah

00:30:28 ◼   ► It's now easier than ever to find your

00:30:34 ◼   ► current inbox. - Mailboxes.

00:30:36 ◼   ► It's all about-- - Mailboxes.

00:30:39 ◼   ► No one needs that.

00:30:40 ◼   ► All right, let's take a break.

00:30:41 ◼   ► - Please.

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00:31:20 ◼   ► I know a lot of people don't like it

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00:31:23 ◼   ► But I and Federico got me into time tracking.

00:31:26 ◼   ► We love it.

00:31:27 ◼   ► But the problem is, and this is a problem

00:31:29 ◼   ► we-- this is a problem me and Federico talk about just

00:31:31 ◼   ► a couple of days ago, is you have to start and stop

00:31:33 ◼   ► the timers like with the services that we use you have to manually go in start

00:31:37 ◼   ► one and stop one I very frequently wake up with a 16-hour timer that I set when

00:31:42 ◼   ► I finished work yesterday and I sleep in you get a lot more sleep than I do well

00:31:47 ◼   ► you know maybe I finished at 5 and and maybe it's sometimes I have started

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00:33:44 ◼   ► *applause*

00:33:47 ◼   ► Stop worrying about time and focus on doing your best work instead

00:33:51 ◼   ► thanks to timing for their support of this show Tim Cook is doing one of his

00:33:55 ◼   ► European tours right do these so much I loves to go to stuff he just likes to go

00:34:01 ◼   ► visit people he's a friendly guy and he just wants to go he's always down about

00:34:05 ◼   ► and he's been talking about AR this time he has discussion anytime he does one of

00:34:10 ◼   ► these tours a couple years ago it was about wearables before that he thought

00:34:15 ◼   ► he talked of Federico's what app use I wanted to try one of the apps that you

00:34:19 ◼   ► recommended an AR app doesn't work what is it are we back on mail yeah basketball

00:34:24 ◼   ► it's not he's playing the basketball game so you have to find a surface no

00:34:29 ◼   ► you're in you're in like the tutorial mode well I'm sorry maybe we can find a

00:34:37 ◼   ► lot of time playing basketball oh why is it not working thanks Tim Cook wait we

00:34:43 ◼   ► can't find a surface try another area guys you remember we're talking about

00:34:48 ◼   ► This is the show all right you keep going

00:34:50 ◼   ► You keep going and I'm gonna find a surface air air kit basketball. Oh, I got it

00:34:57 ◼   ► See you shoot the hoop you rose literally no I can see what you're doing yeah, no it's not working

00:35:07 ◼   ► I'm too close to the who they're just on ready

00:35:13 ◼   ► He's walked away from the stage Steven so Steven tell me about Tim Cook so Tim Cook is doing all these interviews

00:35:21 ◼   ► He spoke at a like some sort of startup thing at Oxford doing he did this big thing in vogue

00:35:27 ◼   ► And he's talking about how AR is going to change everyday life

00:35:32 ◼   ► Sure, thank you keep playing keep playing my

00:35:37 ◼   ► So I think we can break these down a couple big categories. He's talking a lot about

00:35:43 ◼   ► shopping and retail experience and how AR could really change that. He said that

00:35:48 ◼   ► AR will be as critical and as calm as having a website if you're a retailer

00:35:52 ◼   ► which is an astounding statement. Very bold. Astounding statement. He says a lot of

00:35:57 ◼   ► stuff like this right? Do you remember the wearables thing? Right when he was

00:36:00 ◼   ► going on the Apple watch he was like everybody like he was he really hypes

00:36:04 ◼   ► this stuff up. I mean it's part of the job right? I know I know. This comes at a time

00:36:08 ◼   ► where there have been rumors for some reason

00:36:11 ◼   ► that Apple is working on AR glasses,

00:36:14 ◼   ► which is like, we've been down this road before,

00:36:17 ◼   ► it didn't end well for Google, but you know,

00:36:19 ◼   ► they'll be carved out of a single piece of aluminum

00:36:22 ◼   ► so all of us will love them.

00:36:23 ◼   ► So here's a quote, he was asked directly

00:36:27 ◼   ► in this Vogue piece about AR glasses.

00:36:29 ◼   ► He said, "Of course there are rumors and gossip

00:36:30 ◼   ► "about what companies work on,

00:36:32 ◼   ► "but obviously we don't talk about what we work on,

00:36:35 ◼   ► "even though they totally do all the time now.

00:36:37 ◼   ► But today I can tell you that the technology itself doesn't exist to do that in a quality way.

00:36:42 ◼   ► I think they're building AR glasses.

00:36:45 ◼   ► Today in a quality way, right? Like it's yeah

00:36:51 ◼   ► I mean right now if you if you're deep in an Apple lab, you have a laptop strapped to your face to make this work

00:36:57 ◼   ► but

00:36:59 ◼   ► They've no doubt they're pulling you see that. It'd be really good

00:37:02 ◼   ► I would try it with this but I'd be injured terrible. Yeah, you'd fall over immediately

00:37:07 ◼   ► He also said getting back to the air pod thing he was asked, you know is Siri like combined with air pods

00:37:12 ◼   ► Is that an AR experience and he said he doesn't think that it is and I agree with that because you're just talking to your

00:37:18 ◼   ► Assistant that sometimes was the back sometimes works

00:37:21 ◼   ► That's not a iron in but but he said that he does think audio

00:37:24 ◼   ► Could play an important part in AR in the future, which I find really really interesting is right now these experiences are

00:37:30 ◼   ► Primarily visual he was playing a basketball game or doing whatever he was so bad at that game. It's really bad

00:37:37 ◼   ► But I try so so in one of these things in Oxford he like Tim like super pans VR

00:37:44 ◼   ► Right like he's just like and this is on the heels of oculus had an event last week

00:37:48 ◼   ► Yeah, and they introduced some products that may as well have just said VR sucks

00:37:52 ◼   ► He may as well have just because he's just like it doesn't work. It's gimmicky

00:37:55 ◼   ► They were like niche uses of it

00:37:57 ◼   ► But one of the great things about VR is pairing it with audio and like it's a big part of it

00:38:02 ◼   ► Right like it is the PS VR they have this whole system for the audio what it's called binaural audio

00:38:08 ◼   ► I think so where it's it kind of creates an almost surround sound like experience, but just headphones

00:38:13 ◼   ► So yes the thing about AR games and apps right now is that they are very much

00:38:17 ◼   ► Just like look at the phone and they can be more immersive without having to necessarily strap something to your face sure by adding an audio

00:38:24 ◼   ► Component well sure because if you're if you're in that world and then you hear your neighbor set his car door

00:38:30 ◼   ► then you're taken out of it.

00:38:32 ◼   ► But I can see where he's going with it,

00:38:35 ◼   ► and again, he has to do a lot of hype

00:38:37 ◼   ► 'cause it's part of the job.

00:38:39 ◼   ► But I just find it so interesting

00:38:40 ◼   ► they're making such a big push on it.

00:38:42 ◼   ► 'Cause I really can't think of a time,

00:38:45 ◼   ► at least in recent history, where Apple introduced a new,

00:38:50 ◼   ► you know, let's call it a technology stack

00:38:51 ◼   ► for lack of a better word, sorry developers,

00:38:54 ◼   ► that Apple hyped so hard just based on technology alone.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - Without something that went alongside.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - They didn't do this when they added copy and paste to iOS.

00:39:02 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:03 ◼   ► - It's so closely tied to the most important part

00:39:07 ◼   ► of the iPhone's hardware to the camera,

00:39:09 ◼   ► that it kind of becomes an extension of the iPhone,

00:39:11 ◼   ► at least that's what they hope to do,

00:39:12 ◼   ► that AR experiences will become just as important

00:39:15 ◼   ► as the iPhone.

00:39:16 ◼   ► That's what he's saying.

00:39:17 ◼   ► I don't know if it's gonna happen now,

00:39:18 ◼   ► because most of these ARKit games and apps

00:39:21 ◼   ► are just gimmicks and little demos, you know.

00:39:23 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:39:24 ◼   ► - I don't see us using ARKit apps all day long.

00:39:27 ◼   ► I mean Google Docs and AR will be something.

00:39:29 ◼   ► - I played Peacock for like four hours yesterday.

00:39:31 ◼   ► - Yeah. - So good.

00:39:34 ◼   ► So good.

00:39:34 ◼   ► - But the idea is that they're hyping this so much

00:39:37 ◼   ► because it's so closely tied to the iPhone

00:39:41 ◼   ► and not just to the iPhone,

00:39:43 ◼   ► but to the most important feature of the iPhone.

00:39:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a good point.

00:39:47 ◼   ► He goes on, he talks,

00:39:48 ◼   ► he kind of falls back into the old position

00:39:50 ◼   ► that Apple has an extremely strong position

00:39:52 ◼   ► because they have hardware and software.

00:39:54 ◼   ► And we see Google, they have responded to this

00:39:56 ◼   ► with ARCore, is what they're calling theirs.

00:39:59 ◼   ► It runs on some phones, it's gonna spread

00:40:01 ◼   ► as it does on Android.

00:40:02 ◼   ► But then he also says that the App Store

00:40:05 ◼   ► is super important to this.

00:40:07 ◼   ► That Apple is not only providing great hardware

00:40:10 ◼   ► and a software development kit,

00:40:13 ◼   ► whatever the kits call it now, to build this stuff,

00:40:16 ◼   ► but the whole end-to-end thing is there.

00:40:19 ◼   ► And there's a very obvious parallel in my mind

00:40:23 ◼   ► to the App Store in the beginning.

00:40:25 ◼   ► that the App Store was the first successful version

00:40:29 ◼   ► of this idea because Apple had all the pieces in place.

00:40:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:40:34 ◼   ► - And I don't think AR's gonna be as big as the App Store,

00:40:37 ◼   ► but it is sort of intriguing to think about

00:40:39 ◼   ► that they have all these pieces lined up

00:40:41 ◼   ► and that the hardware's better than ever

00:40:43 ◼   ► and they have this great software

00:40:44 ◼   ► that some people are doing amazing things with very quickly.

00:40:47 ◼   ► And I agree, I think like drag and drop,

00:40:48 ◼   ► we're gonna see this evolve.

00:40:50 ◼   ► And the stuff we see now is gonna be just blown away

00:40:53 ◼   ► in six months and then six months after that

00:40:54 ◼   ► six months after that.

00:40:56 ◼   ► But Apple's clearly very excited about it,

00:40:58 ◼   ► and I think that's worth paying attention to.

00:41:00 ◼   ► - I mean, it's so obviously the beginning

00:41:01 ◼   ► of this sort of feature or ecosystem of apps.

00:41:05 ◼   ► And I was talking to a couple of developers

00:41:07 ◼   ► who are doing ARKit apps now.

00:41:09 ◼   ► And the problems that they mentioned,

00:41:12 ◼   ► like they were common to all of the developers

00:41:15 ◼   ► that I talked to, stuff like,

00:41:17 ◼   ► you cannot detect vertical surfaces.

00:41:19 ◼   ► You can only detect horizontal ones,

00:41:21 ◼   ► unless you wanna write your own algorithm and engine,

00:41:23 ◼   ► which is complicated.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Or some people have like a measure kit, for example,

00:41:28 ◼   ► which is the measuring app.

00:41:29 ◼   ► They do some custom stuff to detect vertical surfaces

00:41:31 ◼   ► and basically walls.

00:41:33 ◼   ► The performance when it comes to low light performance,

00:41:36 ◼   ► you know, in a really dark room, for example, it's not good.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Or if you wanna, there's some obstruction, for example,

00:41:42 ◼   ► there's some objects standing in the way

00:41:44 ◼   ► that also causes problems.

00:41:45 ◼   ► So it's obviously the beginning for this framework.

00:41:49 ◼   ► And I'm not surprised if you consider

00:41:52 ◼   ► all these potential issues right now

00:41:53 ◼   ► that Apple is not doing their own app,

00:41:55 ◼   ► like an official navigation mode in AR in Maps, for example,

00:42:00 ◼   ► because there are so many things to fix first.

00:42:02 ◼   ► And so it's intelligent, I think, to go to the developers

00:42:06 ◼   ► and say, why don't you make some apps

00:42:08 ◼   ► and give us some feedback so we can make it better next year,

00:42:11 ◼   ► for example?

00:42:12 ◼   ► Whilst at the same time, they're getting

00:42:14 ◼   ► good at making infrared cameras.

00:42:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:16 ◼   ► Right?

00:42:17 ◼   ► So I wonder-- because I mean, the iPhone X, I assume,

00:42:21 ◼   ► can probably have some more interesting things that it can do.

00:42:24 ◼   ► Yeah, like the face tracking stuff, for example.

00:42:28 ◼   ► Like the filters that sort of use ARKit to superimpose graphics on your face.

00:42:33 ◼   ► Yeah, because the ones that they showed on stage with what Snapchat had done were vastly

00:42:39 ◼   ► more...

00:42:40 ◼   ► I mean, that stuff is very good.

00:42:42 ◼   ► Very good.

00:42:43 ◼   ► I mean, and I think that Snapchat have their own baked-in version of AR as well that they

00:42:47 ◼   ► use, which isn't as good as the ARKit stuff, but it's good.

00:42:50 ◼   ► face detection stuff was vastly superior to what they're doing. I do have a lot of

00:42:54 ◼   ► questions about Craig Federighi using Snapchat. What kind of questions? A lot.

00:42:59 ◼   ► I don't understand Snapchat, he's older than I am.

00:43:02 ◼   ► Myke uses Snapchat all the time now. But y'all are the same age. I never send anything to

00:43:10 ◼   ► anyone. I just like to play with... You know it's not day one, did you get them confused?

00:43:13 ◼   ► He's really into the Bitmoji. Bitmoji? Oh God. Yeah, this is great. So I downloaded Bitmoji to

00:43:20 ◼   ► create just because I don't know if you know this you create a character of

00:43:23 ◼   ► yourself and you have the ability to just have hundreds of stickers that have

00:43:27 ◼   ► a little character of yourself in them Stephen hates them for a reason I can't

00:43:33 ◼   ► understand like it's really hates them so today Federico signed up for bitmoji

00:43:37 ◼   ► too so now we send him the same stickers but just with our faces in each of them

00:43:41 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna do an Apple show with Jason from now on that's mine AR

00:43:49 ◼   ► So I think part of the problem is I struggle to think about what really is

00:44:00 ◼   ► gonna happen here. Right? Like he says like, "Oh, fashion, that's another good one."

00:44:04 ◼   ► But what else? Like it has to be things that are visual otherwise you're just

00:44:09 ◼   ► taking non visual things and putting them into AR. Right? So like the idea of

00:44:13 ◼   ► like, and Microsoft showed a bunch of this stuff, and what Microsoft's doing with

00:44:17 ◼   ► HoloLens is referred to as MR, which is mixed reality because it's kind of,

00:44:21 ◼   ► because you put a headset on and you can see things in the world. So it's like a

00:44:25 ◼   ► combo between VR and AR. And all they're showing is like, oh here's edge, just

00:44:30 ◼   ► Microsoft's browser on the wall. Everybody wants it. It's like, this stuff

00:44:34 ◼   ► is no, there's no real use for that, right? And this is my concern with AR, is like

00:44:39 ◼   ► are we just gonna end up with like our Notes app on the floor? Like what is the...

00:44:45 ◼   ► Why not?

00:44:47 ◼   ► What is the use of that?

00:44:49 ◼   ► Mail in the bathroom?

00:44:51 ◼   ► I mean you could do that anyway though if you want to.

00:44:53 ◼   ► You don't have to be able to see it.

00:44:55 ◼   ► Would Air Mail have trouble sticking you to the wall?

00:44:57 ◼   ► Awwww.

00:44:59 ◼   ► That was mean.

00:45:01 ◼   ► Air Mail is a great app that you should all use.

00:45:03 ◼   ► Two things come to mind for me.

00:45:05 ◼   ► And then I have a problem with the whole thing.

00:45:07 ◼   ► We'll get to that.

00:45:09 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:45:11 ◼   ► I think of, and they're sort of related, but like

00:45:13 ◼   ► sort of job or career training, right? So you start a job, you're making burritos,

00:45:19 ◼   ► you're making cars, or you know, you're whatever. Burritos or cars? I don't know.

00:45:24 ◼   ► This is a very broad range of jobs. I don't have a job. I don't know. People either make burritos or cars.

00:45:33 ◼   ► If you have a career that you're using your hands and you want to have

00:45:38 ◼   ► training or a lot of jobs, you have to have certifications, and having that sort

00:45:42 ◼   ► of on-the-job training where I can I can hold an iPad up or a phone up in front

00:45:46 ◼   ► of the thing I'm supposed to do and it teach me about that thing I think is

00:45:51 ◼   ► incredibly powerful. All of those things are better when you've got something

00:45:54 ◼   ► strapped to your face though. Well that's the big problem I have we can get

00:45:57 ◼   ► to that. Yeah. The other thing I see and is related is like k-12 education so

00:46:02 ◼   ► we have we've played with a few AR kit apps at home one of them and I forget

00:46:07 ◼   ► the name so forgive me but okay thank you helps you locate we talked about on

00:46:15 ◼   ► the show even locate stars and stuff in the sky at night mmm-hmm starwalk yes I

00:46:21 ◼   ► think and so there's a big park out by our house and so you can see the sky

00:46:25 ◼   ► really well and so we've taken the kids out and you know we've gone through this

00:46:28 ◼   ► thing and and I've done it and it's it's really great and so I think there's a

00:46:32 ◼   ► lot of opportunity there but again to your point that you stole from me it's

00:46:35 ◼   ► not in the notes, is that ARKit is limited until they make glasses through the window

00:46:42 ◼   ► frame of your iPad. Unless you have the giant one, it's a 10.5 inch window. And I just wonder

00:46:49 ◼   ► if that fundamentally limits what this sort of stuff would do.

00:46:53 ◼   ► Yes, it's great that I could walk into a store and I have my phone out and I could see prices

00:46:56 ◼   ► or I could see fitting information if it's fashion or whatever, but at some point if

00:47:01 ◼   ► want to get out into the real world like big things, is it limited to look through

00:47:06 ◼   ► the camera of your iOS device? Yeah, it's a problem because there has to be one

00:47:15 ◼   ► before the other, right? So like they can't put the cart before the horse and

00:47:18 ◼   ► they have I think for us to be able to buy into the idea of wearing Apple AR

00:47:24 ◼   ► glasses we need to already understand why AR is important because one of the

00:47:29 ◼   ► reasons that the Google Glass project failed I think is that there wasn't

00:47:34 ◼   ► really a lot of understanding of the use cases and I think like if Apple

00:47:38 ◼   ► introduced AR glasses right now it would be the exact same thing because I just

00:47:43 ◼   ► don't think that we fully understand what these things can be used for but

00:47:47 ◼   ► the same problem there is a limitation in that you have to have the apps open

00:47:51 ◼   ► to use them and hold your phone in front of like so it's like there is this issue

00:47:54 ◼   ► of we need better use cases but the current method is not ideal it's not

00:48:01 ◼   ► simple. So what I wonder is exactly this when Tim Cook says we believe AR is the

00:48:06 ◼   ► future but that future right now is you need to open a bunch of apps to do

00:48:11 ◼   ► different tasks like you want to play a game you want to play some furniture in

00:48:15 ◼   ► your bedroom or whatever and I think when he says the future in Mabel implies

00:48:21 ◼   ► eyes at, you just open the camera on your iPhone and it knows what you want to do.

00:48:26 ◼   ► So it highly depends on context.

00:48:27 ◼   ► So if I'm looking at you with my camera, it probably suggests an online store where I

00:48:33 ◼   ► could buy this jacket.

00:48:34 ◼   ► Or of course take a picture.

00:48:36 ◼   ► But the friction that we have right now of, I want to try AR so I need to download a bunch

00:48:41 ◼   ► of games and a bunch of apps and I need to launch them and do the calibration.

00:48:45 ◼   ► It would be so much easier if it's constantly on.

00:48:49 ◼   ► I don't know if that means like extensions for the camera or some baked-in mode that can recommend some defaults like

00:48:56 ◼   ► navigation for example or

00:48:58 ◼   ► Recognizing, you know, we got the barcodes now in the camera. You can recognize QR codes with the Apple camera

00:49:03 ◼   ► So it's not impossible to imagine that kind of feature where it's the system camera on your iPhone

00:49:07 ◼   ► That knows what you want to do or that at least makes it easy for you to do different tasks

00:49:12 ◼   ► Instead of let me jump between 10 different apps so I can place a basketball and throw up, you know

00:49:17 ◼   ► Do you think this is similar to Google lens? Yeah, though

00:49:21 ◼   ► My concern is if like if that's the route right like if the old end goal of this is

00:49:27 ◼   ► You open the camera app and our cameras are smart

00:49:30 ◼   ► series got that

00:49:33 ◼   ► It's the Siri camera because like Google are introducing Google lens with the pixel - mm-hmm, but it's super limited like that

00:49:41 ◼   ► That's why it's the future, but that's what concerns me though right like Google

00:49:46 ◼   ► have done this and they are

00:49:48 ◼   ► Really held back right now, and this is Google with all of the information that they have

00:49:55 ◼   ► that

00:49:57 ◼   ► Apple doesn't get access to and that's why right now we can play basketball and place a

00:50:02 ◼   ► Desk in our bedroom and do that. Come and look at the stars. Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right, but I

00:50:08 ◼   ► Get a lot of my concern with a lot of things that Apple are doing now is

00:50:15 ◼   ► is that I worry that they are held back

00:50:18 ◼   ► by a lot of their core guiding principles,

00:50:20 ◼   ► which are great for so many things,

00:50:23 ◼   ► but the lack of data that they have,

00:50:27 ◼   ► I think can be troubling, and this could be one of those

00:50:30 ◼   ► because I think we can all agree that we struggle sometimes

00:50:34 ◼   ► with object detection and stuff like that in photos, right?

00:50:36 ◼   ► Like that Google Photos tends to be better

00:50:38 ◼   ► at finding what you're looking for.

00:50:39 ◼   ► If I'm pointing my phone at a thing in real time

00:50:43 ◼   ► and I need it to identify what that thing is,

00:50:46 ◼   ► I trust Google will be able to do that.

00:50:48 ◼   ► - I worry that they're hyping this so much

00:50:51 ◼   ► before they have an actual timeline

00:50:54 ◼   ► of we'll be able to reach our vision within five years.

00:50:59 ◼   ► - I mean, we still haven't gotten the car,

00:51:01 ◼   ► the ultimate mobile device.

00:51:03 ◼   ► I mean, that hype was years ago.

00:51:05 ◼   ► - That is a mobile device, though.

00:51:06 ◼   ► - It's what they said, it's what Jeff Williams said.

00:51:08 ◼   ► - That was an actual quote, a joke.

00:51:10 ◼   ► - I mean, it is a joke, but not my joke.

00:51:11 ◼   ► - That's not my joke. - That's just a terrible joke.

00:51:13 ◼   ► - So I got one more Tim Cook quote before we move on.

00:51:15 ◼   ► - All right, okay.

00:51:16 ◼   ► - And he said this in passing,

00:51:18 ◼   ► so I don't wanna read too much into it,

00:51:19 ◼   ► but we're a podcast, so we're gonna read too much into it.

00:51:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:22 ◼   ► - He said a comment a couple times

00:51:26 ◼   ► that we tend to use our devices too much.

00:51:29 ◼   ► Johnny Ive said a similar thing.

00:51:31 ◼   ► He was interviewed last week at some fancy design place,

00:51:34 ◼   ► and he said that the near constant use of iOS devices,

00:51:39 ◼   ► and we'll say the iPhone troubled him.

00:51:41 ◼   ► And I think there was a connotation

00:51:45 ◼   ► 'cause it was in the VR burn section

00:51:47 ◼   ► that VR actually makes it more limiting

00:51:49 ◼   ► because instead of just looking down at our phone,

00:51:50 ◼   ► we're looking at some wraparound

00:51:52 ◼   ► head screen thing all the time.

00:51:54 ◼   ► And I'm curious, let's see what you guys think.

00:51:57 ◼   ► Does AR have the ability, or does it have the capacity

00:52:01 ◼   ► to help us connect with each other

00:52:03 ◼   ► in new and meaningful ways?

00:52:05 ◼   ► Right now we're measuring the size of our TV

00:52:07 ◼   ► and putting furniture in our offices.

00:52:09 ◼   ► beyond an emoji?

00:52:10 ◼   ► - Beyond, yes, beyond an emoji.

00:52:13 ◼   ► - So excited for an emoji.

00:52:14 ◼   ► - I know.

00:52:16 ◼   ► - You're warming me up with bitmoji to get to this.

00:52:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, oh that's gonna be just a nightmare for you.

00:52:21 ◼   ► - You're gonna jump from the mic bitmoji

00:52:25 ◼   ► to the mic poop emoji.

00:52:27 ◼   ► - Oh, I'm never gonna use that one.

00:52:28 ◼   ► I'm probably going with unicorn.

00:52:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna ignore that comment.

00:52:34 ◼   ► I honestly think that for a while,

00:52:36 ◼   ► All of my messages will just be an emoji movies.

00:52:41 ◼   ► Like that's it.

00:52:41 ◼   ► That's just all it's gonna be.

00:52:42 ◼   ► All right, so to your point, to your serious question.

00:52:45 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:52:45 ◼   ► - No.

00:52:48 ◼   ► I don't think that-- - I don't buy it either.

00:52:50 ◼   ► - I don't think that AR is better.

00:52:55 ◼   ► Like just 'cause I'm doing something different

00:52:57 ◼   ► with the phone doesn't mean that it's better

00:52:59 ◼   ► than checking my messages.

00:53:01 ◼   ► - But can we come up with a scenario in which

00:53:04 ◼   ► AR creates an experience that connects you and I as humans that we wouldn't have otherwise.

00:53:11 ◼   ► Maybe I just don't have an imagine.

00:53:12 ◼   ► What does that mean?

00:53:13 ◼   ► I'm putting Steven on my desk and I'm talking to you on a little character jumping around?

00:53:16 ◼   ► I would love that though.

00:53:18 ◼   ► Like in Star Wars, the little holograms.

00:53:21 ◼   ► What's the problem that we're spending too much time on our phones sending messages?

00:53:25 ◼   ► We're still sending messages to each other.

00:53:26 ◼   ► It's kind of amazing that we can be always in touch.

00:53:31 ◼   ► Like I don't see this...

00:53:32 ◼   ► We're in touch but the person sitting next to me

00:53:34 ◼   ► Spending time with my girlfriend and I'm gonna send messages to Myke no offense

00:53:40 ◼   ► But like if I'm spending quality quality time with my partner

00:53:44 ◼   ► I I have like a brain that tells me look maybe put my phone away. I think the point though

00:53:49 ◼   ► Is that it is becoming increasingly worse for more people like phone addiction is a real thing sure, right?

00:53:55 ◼   ► Like it is, you know, like I I did a thing this week. I've done this a few times

00:53:59 ◼   ► I just moved Twitter away from

00:54:01 ◼   ► Tweet what away from its usual point on my home screen, and I just kept opening the other app

00:54:06 ◼   ► Right so like I moved your phone knows what to do. Yeah, I moved Twitter, and I put email there

00:54:13 ◼   ► Just like to see no client

00:54:15 ◼   ► Airmail the best email client, and I realized that I just I just would open my phone

00:54:20 ◼   ► And I just kept opening a man I close it because I don't want a male and then 20 seconds later air mails back again

00:54:25 ◼   ► Right if you've never tried this by the way just try it

00:54:30 ◼   ► Something really you Greg's here. Yeah, which I have used you tally tally is a great

00:54:35 ◼   ► Month away from Twitter a while ago

00:54:39 ◼   ► We were talking about this and I replaced it with Greg from agile tortoises app tally

00:54:43 ◼   ► So I could then every time I opened it just go one more to see just how many times I've done this

00:54:48 ◼   ► It was interesting that over the weeks that went on I did it less and less

00:54:52 ◼   ► But I think that it is a thing that that plagues many of us

00:54:56 ◼   ► But if we can let's just say for a moment from earlier in discussion

00:54:59 ◼   ► I'm just gonna play out the idea that they're making AR glasses.

00:55:01 ◼   ► Sure.

00:55:01 ◼   ► So much worse.

00:55:02 ◼   ► Because it's all, yeah.

00:55:04 ◼   ► Because then you...

00:55:04 ◼   ► So much worse!

00:55:05 ◼   ► Oh yes, we're looking at each other but we're also checking Twitter.

00:55:07 ◼   ► Through a computer that Apple makes, right?

00:55:09 ◼   ► Like it is, it's way worse.

00:55:11 ◼   ► So how does AR improve the fact that we're looking at our phones all the time

00:55:15 ◼   ► and we have phone addiction?

00:55:16 ◼   ► Well that's the question.

00:55:17 ◼   ► It's like giving us more reasons to look at our phones.

00:55:19 ◼   ► Like I don't, I don't like this, this line of thinking

00:55:22 ◼   ► because it's clearly something that either they are talking about

00:55:26 ◼   ► or being told to talk about.

00:55:27 ◼   ► The fact that both Johnny and Tim are both mentioning this line of like people using

00:55:33 ◼   ► their phones too much, it's fine, but you still may come.

00:55:35 ◼   ► Wasn't this the exact same argument when the Apple Watch came out that, "Oh now you don't

00:55:40 ◼   ► have to look at your phone all the time."

00:55:41 ◼   ► It was.

00:55:42 ◼   ► "Look at our other device instead!"

00:55:43 ◼   ► And now three or four years later we got cellular so now people can always send you messages.

00:55:48 ◼   ► And the thing about that, I've noticed it because my partner doesn't wear an Apple Watch.

00:55:53 ◼   ► I've got friends who do, but I'm basically at home all the time.

00:55:55 ◼   ► But when I'm with the two of you, I notice both of you do it your watch to go off

00:55:59 ◼   ► You look what it is. You put your wrist down to pick your phone up. It's like a

00:56:02 ◼   ► Two-part movie. I'm sure I do it too. I'm sure we all do it. And so yeah that the the

00:56:07 ◼   ► Apple watch hasn't lived up to the promise that's gonna break the chain of addiction to my phone

00:56:11 ◼   ► but I just don't buy the line of thinking that Eric is somehow going to

00:56:16 ◼   ► Make that easier. I think to your point Myke it may make it

00:56:19 ◼   ► more difficult or somehow like more

00:56:23 ◼   ► More confusing to people especially if you have glasses that would actually blur the lines of are you actually looking at me?

00:56:29 ◼   ► Or are you looking at this was the Google glass problem, right and like and I?

00:56:33 ◼   ► Don't know that Robert Scoble in the shower

00:56:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know I I like a our kit games

00:56:42 ◼   ► That's kind of all I've used it for they're fun

00:56:45 ◼   ► I don't play them every day

00:56:46 ◼   ► But like they're a fun little thing to do like I can put a t-rex in the living room take a picture of it

00:56:50 ◼   ► Like it's really funny

00:56:52 ◼   ► You know and I like that sort of stuff. I'm interested to see more

00:56:55 ◼   ► I'm getting less and less convinced at oh, here we go

00:57:01 ◼   ► Apple's ability to just change the world again

00:57:04 ◼   ► Like they think they're just gonna keep doing that like because they've done it a bunch of times like legit

00:57:08 ◼   ► But like the Apple watch it's gonna change the world. No, it's not gonna like AR it's gonna I don't I'm

00:57:15 ◼   ► I think they are chasing it as all technology companies should be but like they chase it at a level of

00:57:22 ◼   ► "Oh, but we did this before, so like, we got this."

00:57:26 ◼   ► And I'm just a bit like,

00:57:27 ◼   ► just rein it in a little bit more, I think.

00:57:30 ◼   ► - It's this idea of, this is the future, like--

00:57:34 ◼   ► - It's just like, calm down, like it's cool, right?

00:57:36 ◼   ► Like, it's been like a couple of months.

00:57:38 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, they can't come out and say,

00:57:40 ◼   ► we got this new thing, meh, meh.

00:57:43 ◼   ► - No, but you can say, like, it's really amazing,

00:57:45 ◼   ► we're so excited to see all people,

00:57:47 ◼   ► but like, to say this is the future is really bold.

00:57:51 ◼   ► - I get you there and I think we see more of that

00:57:55 ◼   ► out of Apple now than we used to.

00:57:57 ◼   ► And maybe it's Tim Cook's leadership,

00:58:01 ◼   ► maybe it's that they have this history now

00:58:03 ◼   ► of Mac, iPod, iPhone, iPad,

00:58:07 ◼   ► that they feel like they've got to,

00:58:09 ◼   ► and the world has pressed on them

00:58:10 ◼   ► that they have to do it again.

00:58:12 ◼   ► - And also, it's not Steve, right?

00:58:16 ◼   ► Like, I think that that is a part of it.

00:58:19 ◼   ► I mean, if I was Tim Cook,

00:58:20 ◼   ► I would feel that way, like I feel like I have to do this.

00:58:24 ◼   ► Where like I have to do this.

00:58:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, and I think, I mean,

00:58:27 ◼   ► that's not to discount the success of the watch.

00:58:29 ◼   ► The watch is very good Tim Cook's product.

00:58:32 ◼   ► And I think the watch we have today.

00:58:34 ◼   ► - It's really, really, really great.

00:58:36 ◼   ► - It's really good minus the stupid red dot.

00:58:38 ◼   ► And I think it is more of a picture

00:58:40 ◼   ► of what Tim Cook had thought or like they had seen, right?

00:58:43 ◼   ► Like really good at fitness stuff.

00:58:46 ◼   ► And they've honed that messaging.

00:58:49 ◼   ► and maybe ARKit will do the same thing

00:58:51 ◼   ► where right now it's gonna change the future

00:58:53 ◼   ► and it's gonna be in retail,

00:58:54 ◼   ► it's gonna be in the classroom.

00:58:55 ◼   ► And maybe once it's in the world for a little while,

00:58:57 ◼   ► they say, "Hey, you know what?

00:58:59 ◼   ► "We have an amazing game platform."

00:59:00 ◼   ► And you know what, that's enough.

00:59:02 ◼   ► - That is more than enough. - More than enough

00:59:04 ◼   ► if iOS continues to be a great gaming platform

00:59:07 ◼   ► and that they can extend it to the Apple TV,

00:59:09 ◼   ► who knows what they could do.

00:59:11 ◼   ► But if it was just gaming, I think that's enough.

00:59:13 ◼   ► And so maybe they change their tone over time

00:59:16 ◼   ► like they have with the watch.

00:59:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause I just think they need to just chill out

00:59:20 ◼   ► just a little bit.

00:59:21 ◼   ► - Just take a breather.

00:59:22 ◼   ► - And I'll be happy with that.

00:59:23 ◼   ► These products are really great.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Just give it some time.

00:59:27 ◼   ► The iPhone's still doing really good.

00:59:30 ◼   ► We're okay.

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01:00:35 ◼   ► So we haven't talked about purchases in a while.

01:00:41 ◼   ► And it is that time and as you can tell from Federico's moaning.

01:00:45 ◼   ► been doing it. Federico has been buying some things. So Federico, why don't you tell us what you've done?

01:00:50 ◼   ► Do I have to? Yes. So I've been buying iPad keyboards for a few months now because I can

01:01:04 ◼   ► never find an iPad Pro keyboard that I like. And just a few weeks ago I was actually reading through

01:01:12 ◼   ► Apple's website and I realized that the Logitech slim combo which is the keyboard that we really

01:01:17 ◼   ► didn't like when the iPad pro 10.5 came out yeah the one that like just it had no stability like

01:01:23 ◼   ► it really didn't like it like we actually went you on twitter were recommending against buying

01:01:30 ◼   ► seriously like I think it's a bad reply to you on twitter and they told me that the slim combo was

01:01:35 ◼   ► it not it was built to be rugged which doesn't make any sense like that is not what that means

01:01:41 ◼   ► Like it's slim, it's meant to be like... Anyway, because I was complaining about the thickness and weightness

01:01:45 ◼   ► and I said it's built to be rugged and protect...

01:01:47 ◼   ► But it's not slim, yeah. Anyway, they have a different version for the 12.9, which I had no idea it existed.

01:01:55 ◼   ► So I bought this keyboard, which is right here.

01:01:58 ◼   ► Do you want to pass it around, everybody?

01:02:00 ◼   ► I mean, sure.

01:02:01 ◼   ► Show and tell.

01:02:02 ◼   ► I mean, if you really want to talk...

01:02:03 ◼   ► Don't do that.

01:02:04 ◼   ► So do that, it's fine, you need it.

01:02:06 ◼   ► I really like it. It's not perfect, but it's sort of the combination of things that I wanted an iPad keyboard

01:02:12 ◼   ► So when the first round of iPad pros came out

01:02:15 ◼   ► It was universally believed that the the create for the 12.9 was a disaster. Yeah

01:02:22 ◼   ► But the create for the 9.7 was amazing

01:02:25 ◼   ► They flipped that because this is really good on this device and I think as a couple of reasons for it

01:02:30 ◼   ► So a couple of the issues I had two major issues with this keyboard for the 10.5

01:02:36 ◼   ► One was when you put it on your lap. It's not stable

01:02:39 ◼   ► So the previous version it had like a cloth covering that went from the iPad round to the keyboard

01:02:45 ◼   ► So it stay nice and stable on your lap because there was one flat piece of material there

01:02:48 ◼   ► With this product as a kickstand

01:02:51 ◼   ► So you kind of have to have stable places to keep the kickstand and also the keyboard is attached via this like

01:02:57 ◼   ► Material which was super thin so you'd be typing and the thing would be wobbling and then you want to wrap the keyboard round to

01:03:04 ◼   ► The back to hold it and the keyboard would just pop off

01:03:06 ◼   ► Now the keyboard still pops off on this one, but I'd find at least myself

01:03:10 ◼   ► I don't hold the 12.9 inch iPad very often to just read with it because it's like reading a dinner tray

01:03:17 ◼   ► Right so like when I'm reading with that. I still keep it in like the keyboard orientation for me

01:03:23 ◼   ► So like that isn't so much of a problem and because everything's bigger

01:03:26 ◼   ► The stability for stability is increased because there's more surface area for it to lean against right and on the small version

01:03:33 ◼   ► Because it's so small right the cover part of the keyboard cannot fold

01:03:39 ◼   ► Yeah, I know the keyboard but actually on this one you get the cover that you know

01:03:44 ◼   ► I said, yes

01:03:45 ◼   ► If you imagine the cover that goes over the screen it folds in half and back around

01:03:51 ◼   ► underneath the keyboard, which then elevates the keyboard

01:03:54 ◼   ► at a nice angle as well.

01:03:55 ◼   ► It's really nice.

01:03:56 ◼   ► - Uses the smart connector, so you can have back click keys,

01:03:59 ◼   ► which I was really missing from the Apple Magic keyboard,

01:04:02 ◼   ► which is the one that I was using before.

01:04:04 ◼   ► - No battery to worry about.

01:04:06 ◼   ► - You got no battery to worry about,

01:04:07 ◼   ► no Bluetooth connections. - No Bluetooth connection.

01:04:08 ◼   ► - And you get the function rows,

01:04:10 ◼   ► so you can have like spotlight shortcuts,

01:04:13 ◼   ► which by the way with iOS 11 is really handy,

01:04:15 ◼   ► because now accessing spotlight is kind of harder

01:04:18 ◼   ► than before.

01:04:20 ◼   ► You can also do like the home button.

01:04:22 ◼   ► You can, this is real actual life hack.

01:04:26 ◼   ► If you press and hold the home button on this one,

01:04:31 ◼   ► and if you activate type to Siri in the iOS 11 settings,

01:04:35 ◼   ► you can press and hold and then just type in

01:04:38 ◼   ► to issue commands to Siri.

01:04:40 ◼   ► - That's pretty good.

01:04:41 ◼   ► - So your hands never leave the keyboard

01:04:43 ◼   ► and you can still do stuff with Siri.

01:04:45 ◼   ► And also additional life hack.

01:04:47 ◼   ► - Thank you.

01:04:48 ◼   ► Let's do tears of life hacks.

01:04:50 ◼   ► - It grows exponentially.

01:04:52 ◼   ► If you also, you can create text replacements

01:04:55 ◼   ► in the iOS settings.

01:04:57 ◼   ► If maybe eventually they will sync across your devices.

01:05:01 ◼   ► But if you create, basically you can create templates

01:05:03 ◼   ► for Siri.

01:05:04 ◼   ► Like if you create a shortcut for turn off

01:05:07 ◼   ► the bedroom lights, then you just type, I don't know, TTB.

01:05:12 ◼   ► - That's good.

01:05:13 ◼   ► - It's gonna expand and turn off your bedroom lights.

01:05:14 ◼   ► - You just put some minds in the audience.

01:05:15 ◼   ► Or just like weather, right?

01:05:16 ◼   ► You could just type, very nice.

01:05:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, whatever you want.

01:05:18 ◼   ► - Very nice.

01:05:19 ◼   ► Wow, look at you.

01:05:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:21 ◼   ► - It's very smart.

01:05:22 ◼   ► Teach you tip.

01:05:23 ◼   ► - That's good.

01:05:24 ◼   ► - Teach you tip live.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - So you're keeping this?

01:05:28 ◼   ► - Well, I bought it and--

01:05:29 ◼   ► - It doesn't mean you can't return it or--

01:05:30 ◼   ► - No, see I don't like returning things.

01:05:33 ◼   ► It's so, it's always so awkward.

01:05:35 ◼   ► Like you go back to the store--

01:05:38 ◼   ► - Do you buy things in person?

01:05:40 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:41 ◼   ► - Why?

01:05:42 ◼   ► - And I'm pretty, it's like what, you didn't like it?

01:05:44 ◼   ► - I would like to give you a mic tip.

01:05:46 ◼   ► - Amazon.com.

01:05:46 ◼   ► - You stole it right from under me.

01:05:48 ◼   ► You see, amazon.com would be a solution if my delivering packages situations in Italy

01:05:58 ◼   ► - No, you have a guy in a bakery, we went over this on the phone.

01:06:01 ◼   ► - We need to offer some context here.

01:06:03 ◼   ► So for some reason in Rome, delivery companies are terrible.

01:06:08 ◼   ► - They're bad everywhere.

01:06:10 ◼   ► - They're bad everywhere, but there's an especially problematic situation for me that my building,

01:06:16 ◼   ► I don't know why, but delivery companies don't like to leave packages there.

01:06:21 ◼   ► It's cursed.

01:06:22 ◼   ► It's kind of cursed.

01:06:24 ◼   ► So I set up a system years ago where I befriended the local bakery shop.

01:06:30 ◼   ► And with a bunch of excuses, I started going there every day.

01:06:35 ◼   ► Even to just buy like one.

01:06:36 ◼   ► The excuse can be, I would like some bread, please.

01:06:39 ◼   ► I don't want to eat bread every single day.

01:06:42 ◼   ► Hang on.

01:06:43 ◼   ► - Does this bakery participate in the Google Home

01:06:45 ◼   ► versus donut bake-off?

01:06:48 ◼   ► - Wait, what?

01:06:49 ◼   ► - Nevermind, he's forgotten about that already.

01:06:51 ◼   ► - You want him paying attention?

01:06:52 ◼   ► - No, it's fine.

01:06:53 ◼   ► - Anyway, I befriended this family-owned bakery

01:06:58 ◼   ► and over time we became friends.

01:07:01 ◼   ► And one day I was just like, by the way--

01:07:04 ◼   ► - Why would you feel the need to say family-owned?

01:07:06 ◼   ► - Because it's a whole enterprise.

01:07:08 ◼   ► It's like there's the kid and there's the husband.

01:07:10 ◼   ► - Have you seen Master of None?

01:07:12 ◼   ► Is it like that?

01:07:13 ◼   ► No, I'm behind actually.

01:07:14 ◼   ► Oh, man.

01:07:15 ◼   ► I bet it's like that.

01:07:16 ◼   ► It is definitely like that.

01:07:17 ◼   ► It's a very stereotypical Italian bakery.

01:07:18 ◼   ► Everyone's nodding.

01:07:19 ◼   ► They know it's like that.

01:07:20 ◼   ► Is it like a little child and he brings you bread?

01:07:22 ◼   ► Yes, actually, yes.

01:07:23 ◼   ► Oh, my god.

01:07:23 ◼   ► The child.

01:07:24 ◼   ► The child.

01:07:25 ◼   ► Does he call you Mr. Fettigy?

01:07:27 ◼   ► There's a dog which is super unhealthy for that type of stuff.

01:07:30 ◼   ► This dog just walking around.

01:07:32 ◼   ► Shh, don't worry about it.

01:07:33 ◼   ► Anyway, so one day I was like, hey, by the way,

01:07:36 ◼   ► if I have a problem with the package and UPS,

01:07:39 ◼   ► is there a chance you can hold the package for me?

01:07:41 ◼   ► They're like, yeah sure no problem. So and we need to be clear you befriended these people so you could ask that question. Yes

01:07:48 ◼   ► It didn't come up naturally over time. How long how long took?

01:07:54 ◼   ► Two three months a long con that's pretty good

01:07:59 ◼   ► Do you still go every day? Okay. Why don't you buy a p.o. Box is a long story?

01:08:04 ◼   ► so I

01:08:06 ◼   ► started like

01:08:09 ◼   ► One day the UPS the UPS guy come comes over and gives me a package and I just say hey, you know

01:08:15 ◼   ► If I'm not at home, there's the bakery. It's like one minute away

01:08:20 ◼   ► they know me so, you know if I'm not at home, you can just leave a package there and I started telling this to all the

01:08:25 ◼   ► delivery guys and

01:08:27 ◼   ► Now what they do is whenever I'm not at home. They send me a text message and they're like, hey, I left the package at the bakery

01:08:34 ◼   ► Why don't you just get things to the but they're all done

01:08:38 ◼   ► So the problem here is that I feel like the bakery doesn't like this anymore

01:08:44 ◼   ► Because in all of these I started buying a lot of amiibo

01:08:53 ◼   ► So this summer I had the great idea of completely

01:09:07 ◼   ► completing the Zelda collection.

01:09:10 ◼   ► This is a lot, there is a lot of them.

01:09:14 ◼   ► There's a lot of baggage here.

01:09:16 ◼   ► It's like 30 figurines from Amazon.

01:09:20 ◼   ► So, like, we're talking July and August here.

01:09:24 ◼   ► And so within the span of like three weeks

01:09:27 ◼   ► these people had like 20 packages.

01:09:30 ◼   ► Every day. Every day they get.

01:09:36 ◼   ► And we're now at the point where...

01:09:38 ◼   ► Where are you though? Like everyday? Where are you all day?

01:09:40 ◼   ► I feel so bad. Like I'm around. Two things.

01:09:44 ◼   ► And we're now at the point where if I actually need to buy bread and I walk into the store, the guy looks at me and is like "Hey, there's no package today for you."

01:09:56 ◼   ► And I can tell that they're kinda upset.

01:10:01 ◼   ► You flew too close to the sun with these eyeballs.

01:10:03 ◼   ► Yeah, you did. You pushed it way too far.

01:10:05 ◼   ► far I know when did you complete this arrangement like when did it begin I was

01:10:10 ◼   ► earlier this year can we can it last until the iPhone 10 ships in March can

01:10:15 ◼   ► you can you make it it's done it will be it's time you get it yeah I'm really

01:10:20 ◼   ► sad because like I can tell that especially after the last batch of amiibo

01:10:25 ◼   ► the situation really changed you could bring them something like a cake but

01:10:31 ◼   ► they won't appreciate it. Yeah, just flour and stuff. I don't know. And I'm so sad because in June

01:10:38 ◼   ► I was talking to you and Grey about this whole life hack that I had. It was a great idea at the time, but

01:10:45 ◼   ► you know Amazon and Amoeba was... What about a butcher? Yeah, is there someone else in the neighborhood? So there's the

01:10:53 ◼   ► candlestick maker. There's the pharmacy.

01:10:56 ◼   ► Uh-huh. I'm not sure I want to go to my pill. What are you supposed to buy the pharmacy and pills every day?

01:11:02 ◼   ► sure

01:11:04 ◼   ► Like so I want to have a backup option or either I apologize profusely to the bakery family

01:11:10 ◼   ► Yeah, do you ever like give them any money or anything? Oh, maybe you should give them some money

01:11:15 ◼   ► sleeping at 20

01:11:18 ◼   ► Thanks for the bread. Hang on

01:11:20 ◼   ► I've solved I've solved your problem because that this is what I do for people

01:11:24 ◼   ► You have a bunch of iPad keyboards you can't return let's give them those

01:11:27 ◼   ► Maybe yeah anyway anyway, so that's why you don't buy things

01:11:36 ◼   ► I need to go to the store and if I buy the keyboard then I go back to digital error the guy looks at me

01:11:45 ◼   ► It's like you didn't make it himself. I know but it's like yes, you didn't like the keyboard

01:11:51 ◼   ► It's like, no.

01:11:53 ◼   ► What's wrong with that though?

01:11:55 ◼   ► I feel bad about it. I feel so bad about it.

01:11:57 ◼   ► Wow.

01:11:58 ◼   ► I will tell you right now, I just want to say, I did this for three years.

01:12:02 ◼   ► I worked on a customer service desk at a supermarket.

01:12:05 ◼   ► I didn't care.

01:12:07 ◼   ► It's actually my job.

01:12:09 ◼   ► My job only exists if people bring things to return.

01:12:13 ◼   ► If everyone's like you, I had no job.

01:12:16 ◼   ► Guy doesn't care.

01:12:18 ◼   ► doesn't care you know you know what I do with my old stuff I give it to my mom

01:12:22 ◼   ► what's she gonna do with that what's she gonna do with that I tell you what you should do you give her the

01:12:31 ◼   ► keyboard and the receipt and say mom if you take this to the store some money for you

01:12:34 ◼   ► that's brilliant that's brilliant she has a bunch of stuff you just give it to her like

01:12:42 ◼   ► she can set up an eBay store you know how to do eBay like one time I was reading through Marco

01:12:45 ◼   ► headphone review. You bought a lot of headphones. You should try some here. You bought a lot. See headphones she can use

01:12:51 ◼   ► but iPad keyboards does she even have an iPad? She has an iPad but here's the

01:12:55 ◼   ► problem also she has an iPad one. Oh what are you doing? How many iPads must you have because you don't return anything

01:13:02 ◼   ► because you don't sell them. And I told her mom I have a few iPads for you. Just a few. She can have one of mine I got a ton of them.

01:13:08 ◼   ► And she was like no I really like this one because you I don't know some some

01:13:13 ◼   ► excuse that she gave you could replace it and she probably wouldn't know like

01:13:18 ◼   ► if you went to know I remember she really likes the original iPad dock with

01:13:22 ◼   ► the keyboard they're not making that anymore well you ever been a vertical

01:13:26 ◼   ► one has she tried using Facebook for iOS 5 something like that wow I want to

01:13:31 ◼   ► have your mom on the show to can she speak English she doesn't speak English

01:13:36 ◼   ► that's a shame I'll learn a town she calls she calls but she calls podcast

01:13:41 ◼   ► the radio that's amazing yeah sums it up you know what my man calls

01:13:46 ◼   ► ingenious WikiLeaks you know what she does she's she asked she calls me

01:13:57 ◼   ► multiple times a day I know I know Oh Federico's checks in a lot so in the

01:14:04 ◼   ► summer when I'm busy writing the is review she calls me and I'm kind of

01:14:08 ◼   ► noise and like mom I'm busy I'm writing she's like what you're writing you know

01:14:13 ◼   ► in September there's a big story that comes out yeah yeah the September thing

01:14:16 ◼   ► so she doesn't know she doesn't speak she doesn't read English but what she

01:14:21 ◼   ► does is she's very sweet on the work issued computer at work she opens Google

01:14:28 ◼   ► translator and she runs max or his articles through Google Translate that's

01:14:32 ◼   ► great pretense that she understands it's like it's terrible Frederick tendril

01:14:37 ◼   ► It's my name is translated Frederick tendril. That's what Frederick tendrils is what?

01:14:43 ◼   ► Google translate thinks Federica, but he she is it is amazing so this year

01:14:49 ◼   ► I I was really sure I was really curious to turn on and she knows all the other she knows all the other team members

01:14:56 ◼   ► She was oh John

01:14:58 ◼   ► We are no

01:15:05 ◼   ► But so I wanted to know I asked her did you like the iOS 11 review?

01:15:11 ◼   ► And she tells me well, I know that you really care about the iPad

01:15:16 ◼   ► So I I used the navigation this really advanced. I used the navigation menu to

01:15:23 ◼   ► Open the iPad chapter like okay, that's impressive. And then she told me but I was surprised because you were constantly talking about bees

01:15:33 ◼   ► bees? And then I realized that the word API in Italian...

01:15:42 ◼   ► Oh no! The developers, they use the bees! Everybody loves the bees! Oh, that's incredible!

01:15:55 ◼   ► Thank you so much for coming out to see us today.

01:16:05 ◼   ► If you want to find our show notes, go to relay.fm/connected/164.

01:16:10 ◼   ► Thanks again to our sponsors, the fine folk over at Squarespace Timing and Encapsular.

01:16:14 ◼   ► Federico is online.

01:16:15 ◼   ► He is at the tchviticci and he's at maxstories.net.

01:16:19 ◼   ► Steven is at ismh.

01:16:21 ◼   ► He is at fivetopixels.net and go to fivetopixels on YouTube and you'll find stuff about computers

01:16:26 ◼   ► like the one he has with him today.

01:16:27 ◼   ► I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.

01:16:30 ◼   ► We'll be back next time.

01:16:31 ◼   ► Thank you so much for listening.

01:16:32 ◼   ► Until then, say goodbye guys.

01:16:33 ◼   ► >> Adios.

01:16:34 ◼   ► >> Adios.

01:16:34 ◼   ► Adios.

01:16:36 ◼   ► [ Applause ]