144: The Barometer of Happiness


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00:00:06   From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 144. Today's show is brought to you by Jamf Now and PDF Pen 9 from Smile.

00:00:16   My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Mr Federico Vitici. Ciao Federico.

00:00:21   Ciao Myke.

00:00:22   Mr Stephen Hackett. Howdy Stephen.

00:00:25   Howdy Myke.

00:00:26   We are just one week away from two things.

00:00:29   We are one week away from two things.

00:00:31   Monday, but next month, actually next Tuesday.

00:00:36   Yeah, we're a week away from it being next Tuesday, in which the WWDC keynote is done.

00:00:40   We're also one week away from sitting around a table, looking deep into each other's eyes

00:00:47   and talking about whatever it is that Apple is doing, because next week we'll be together

00:00:53   in San Jose, California. California, I think they call it.

00:00:57   We're not invoking any spirit at the table next week.

00:01:01   We're just talking about tech news.

00:01:02   We could. OK. We can invoke the spirit of Forstor.

00:01:05   Oh, you got there before me.

00:01:07   It's not dead. It doesn't have a spirit to invoke.

00:01:10   It's alive and doing Broadway.

00:01:12   So the table turns to felt.

00:01:16   Let's do it. OK, let's do it.

00:01:18   Tune in next week, Stephen.

00:01:20   Until then, we have many things to address.

00:01:24   We have so many things to talk about.

00:01:27   We're going to start with follow up,

00:01:28   because that's what we do.

00:01:30   I wanted to point people to episode 36 of Canvas,

00:01:33   the podcast that Federico does with Fraser Spears about iPad

00:01:37   and iOS productivity.

00:01:40   Episode 36, Merlin Mann joined the two of you guys

00:01:43   to talk about in-depth iOS wishes,

00:01:46   especially around the iPad.

00:01:47   And it was a great episode.

00:01:49   Even though you did steal the pending Round Robin connected style picking selector on

00:01:57   a podcast patent trademark.

00:02:00   I'm sorry, don't sue me please.

00:02:04   I got nothing so you can actually sue me, you'll get a bunch of Nintendo amiibo from

00:02:09   me.

00:02:10   That's all I have.

00:02:11   That's all I own.

00:02:12   Those things are rare.

00:02:15   Coming after your puppies.

00:02:19   So we're going to talk about our WWDC wishes today, but if you want to really get nerdy

00:02:25   on iPad and iOS stuff and you don't listen to Canvas A, you totally should, but at least

00:02:29   check out episode 36.

00:02:30   There'll be a link in the show notes.

00:02:32   Quickly, we wanted to remind people of relays to WWDC events in San Jose.

00:02:40   First, on Monday night, tickets have been sold out for a long time, but will be at the

00:02:44   Textile Museum.

00:02:46   If you have a ticket to this event and for some reason you're not coming to San Jose,

00:02:51   please let us know because we have a crazy long waiting list and we would like to have

00:02:56   a full house.

00:02:57   Sizeable.

00:02:58   It's good.

00:02:59   It's a good word.

00:03:00   So if you have a ticket and for some reason you're not making it to California, we're

00:03:02   sorry we're not going to see you but please let us know and we'd love to have your ticket

00:03:06   go to somebody else.

00:03:08   And secondly, if you have not yet bought a ticket to the AppCamp for Girls fundraiser,

00:03:12   you definitely should.

00:03:13   There will be a link in the show notes.

00:03:16   We will have a section of the event kind of deemed as a Relay FM meetup and some hosts

00:03:21   will be there.

00:03:22   It's a great, great opportunity to support AppCamp for Girls.

00:03:26   Even if we're not going to be there, you should totally buy a ticket anyways.

00:03:29   Definitely worth your time.

00:03:31   But we are going to be.

00:03:32   But we are going to be.

00:03:33   So it's just an added bonus.

00:03:34   Yeah.

00:03:35   So there will be a link there in the show notes as well.

00:03:37   So I think that's all kind of like the preamble stuff.

00:03:42   I will say, I don't know how the two of you feel about this, but leading up to these events,

00:03:46   I always think about our community and like how basically everybody I work with is super

00:03:51   busy this week, like packing and doing laundry.

00:03:53   And then when everybody gets back, we don't talk to each other because we've seen way

00:03:56   too much of each other and just decide that we need some alone time.

00:04:00   So I at least am in that process right now of like getting stuff together, pulling stuff

00:04:05   together for our shows.

00:04:06   Like I have a whole table full of sound equipment.

00:04:08   I have to stuff into a suitcase.

00:04:10   always a fun week for us but we have follow up so the fun must end and we must get down

00:04:15   to business. Myke I think you put this in, what is going on today with Touch ID and the

00:04:21   next phone?

00:04:23   There is a point at which I feel I'm just talking against myself week on week, right?

00:04:29   Like one week I tell myself one thing and then the next week I tell myself another thing

00:04:33   because that's how these rumors tend to roll. But I did just want to take a moment to mention

00:04:38   and something I saw on 9to5Mac which is coming from whatever Economic Daily News is via DigiTimes

00:04:45   it suggests that Apple will be using a new type of optical fingerprint sensor in the

00:04:50   iPhone 8 to allow for a touch ID sensor to be embedded in an OLED screen which this type

00:04:57   of optical fingerprint sensor can read through an OLED screen. So basically this is another

00:05:07   rumor which is suggesting that Apple is in fact going to be putting the touch ID behind

00:05:13   the screen, not on the back of the phone. I think at this point it is clear to say that

00:05:20   this is just going to continue to keep changing and so from now on, unless there's anything

00:05:24   a little bit more substantial, I don't really want to talk about it, but I wanted to just

00:05:29   bring this up because this is something which is in contrast to what we've been talking

00:05:34   about over the last couple of weeks so is prime for follow-up. I am sticking by

00:05:39   my guns in that I would love for this to be the case I just don't think it will

00:05:46   be. Yeah we've talked about this to death I agree with you that we

00:05:52   should we should let it go but clearly like something is going on here either

00:05:57   they're working with multiple prototypes or they're having issues still and

00:06:01   trying to hedge their bets but I agree with you I'd like to put Touch ID kind of on the

00:06:05   shelf for a while and until we get closer to it you know kind of let it be.

00:06:10   Yeah as you say I think it is this is an indication that Apple have been toing and throwing over

00:06:17   this quite a bit because I mean I believe that everybody that thinks this thinks this

00:06:22   right for good reason but I think it's probably because they've been investigating all of

00:06:26   their options leading up to this point.

00:06:28   I do believe, right now, they know what they're doing, right?

00:06:32   But that some of this stuff maybe takes a little while to leak through all the supply

00:06:36   chains.

00:06:37   I'm sure that the decision has been made and we'll find out in September.

00:06:41   Yeah.

00:06:42   So, we also kind of have an item here about HomeKit.

00:06:46   So the Wemo Bridge, which is a popular smart home product and line of products, they're

00:06:54   all Wemo powered.

00:06:56   is coming to HomeKit. They have announced a HomeKit bridge for both

00:07:01   existing and new Wiimote devices which is really nice. You know sometimes these

00:07:05   things come out and it's only for new stuff but Belkin is gonna have a

00:07:10   backwards support as well. This is very similar to what Philips did for the Hue

00:07:14   lights. I think initially those were sort of a separate system and they work

00:07:19   with HomeKit now via a little bridge. The Hue bridge for instance you know it's

00:07:24   like a little hockey puck.

00:07:25   It looks kind of like an Apple TV, but it's white.

00:07:27   Plugs into your network over ethernet

00:07:28   and it talks to your devices

00:07:30   and kind of lets everybody know what's going on.

00:07:33   And so I'm excited that Belkin's doing this.

00:07:35   I've stayed away from Wemo

00:07:36   because like we spoke about forever ago,

00:07:39   I want things that work both with HomeKit

00:07:41   and the Echo products.

00:07:44   And Wemo has not been able to do that,

00:07:46   but now that it will, once this comes out,

00:07:47   I may look at adding some different types of things

00:07:50   to my network.

00:07:52   I'm pleased about this because Belkin are one of the only companies that make these types of products that make them for international plugs.

00:07:59   I have some wemo switches and they continue to make these products.

00:08:05   So I'm pleased that they're making this.

00:08:07   Right. Like, I think this is great.

00:08:08   A lot of this stuff is like, it's, I wonder if there is a better way to do it than to have it all just plug into a modem.

00:08:15   Like, I feel like at some point, like I'm just going to have all this, all these ethernet things just flying all over the place,

00:08:21   which seems a little bit strange.

00:08:23   I don't know, like it just feels kind of old school

00:08:28   in a way, right, with like this new technology.

00:08:30   Like I'm speaking into canisters,

00:08:32   but yet there's this thing that needs

00:08:33   to connect to ethernet somewhere.

00:08:35   (laughing)

00:08:37   - Yeah, I mean I think for most people

00:08:38   it's not a huge deal because even if you use your router

00:08:41   from your ISP, those things have ethernet jacks on the back,

00:08:45   so you just kind of shove one of these little hockey pucks

00:08:47   in with your router in the closet and you're done.

00:08:50   But yeah, it is weird.

00:08:53   My thought is that they just need it for the throughput and for the setup, right?

00:08:56   You just plug it into Ethernet and you don't have to configure anything.

00:08:58   It just gets a DHCP address.

00:09:01   But I've got mine just in my network closet with my cable modem and my router.

00:09:07   It's fine.

00:09:08   But yeah, I'm excited about this.

00:09:10   Since the last time we spoke about this, I've purchased a couple more of the iHome plugs,

00:09:16   which again work with both Echo and HomeKit.

00:09:19   But I think all this stuff should be universal.

00:09:24   I mean, clearly, I think the ship has sailed on having one controlling standard.

00:09:28   People are going to have Amazon stuff, they're going to have Apple stuff.

00:09:31   Google is not really doing anything directly unless you do the home hub deal, which I don't

00:09:36   really know much about.

00:09:37   But it's clear that people are mixing and matching this hardware.

00:09:41   Like how many iPhone users are also Echo users?

00:09:44   I mean, the overlap there has got to be pretty big.

00:09:47   And so if you're a developer of this stuff, I think it's only smart to support everything

00:09:52   that you can.

00:09:54   What I also like about this is that, I have no evidence of this, but like this is, like

00:09:59   we're seeing more and more home kit stuff, it feels like over the last couple of months.

00:10:03   And maybe Apple's getting through that backlog of approval.

00:10:07   Maybe they've changed something so approval is easier or they have more people working

00:10:10   on it to make it easier to work with partners.

00:10:12   is going on it definitely feels like Apple is making ground pretty quickly on homekit

00:10:17   and I think that's great.

00:10:18   I don't know have we seen any more stuff especially in Europe or maybe just in Italy I feel like

00:10:23   the situation hasn't improved at all in any meaningful way it's just sad.

00:10:29   It's just sad and I mean we're stuck with the same basically the same set of lights

00:10:35   and we don't have any compatible door locks we have one camera which is kind of okay it's

00:10:41   It's not great, it's not bad, it's just a decent camera and that's about it.

00:10:46   I mean I haven't seen any, you know if you look at Amazon of course you just find the

00:10:52   Elgato sensors and I'm not even sure we have an Italian plug that works with HomeKit.

00:11:00   I mean I don't know, I see this, even a few weeks ago Apple had this marketing push with

00:11:06   the HomeKit homes, you know, these homes in California set up from scratch to be full

00:11:14   of HomeKit accessories and to us that's not only a dream, like the basics, like wall plugs

00:11:23   and switches, we don't have those. So I guess, yeah, maybe in the US it's improved, but whatever

00:11:30   it is they're doing it's not working out internationally because again…

00:11:34   Nothing's changing here.

00:11:36   Yeah. Like I think in the last year, the only new things on Apple's website like to go and buy

00:11:41   is the camera, that D-Link camera. Yes. And the Honeywell, there are Honeywell thermostats.

00:11:48   They're the only things that have changed. That's it. Yeah. So I agree. It's like there's

00:11:54   stuff happening, but there's not a lot of stuff happening internationally, but this all could be

00:11:57   the same problem, right? That like if slow approvals, I mean, it's always going to be

00:12:02   coming outside of the US lower.

00:12:05   So maybe it will start to pick up now.

00:12:07   I do think that the timing of this announcement is curious

00:12:11   because from everything that I've seen,

00:12:13   Belkin didn't announce a date for this product,

00:12:16   just that like it's coming.

00:12:18   So like I figured if they're gonna be on a slide

00:12:21   or something on stage at WWDC,

00:12:25   they need to let the world know

00:12:26   that they're actually working with HomeKit

00:12:28   before that's the case, right?

00:12:30   'Cause it would be like, they would show all this stuff

00:12:32   and be like, "Well, come on Belkin,

00:12:34   "I don't know anything,

00:12:34   "I'm gonna have to replace all of my things."

00:12:36   Right, like that's the kind of thought process

00:12:38   I would go through.

00:12:39   But announcing this before,

00:12:41   when you see them using a Wemo switch on stage or something,

00:12:44   then you'll know why, because there's this HomeKit hub

00:12:47   coming, that was my thinking anyway.

00:12:50   - No, absolutely, I mean, anytime a company

00:12:53   in the Apple ecosystem has an announcement this close

00:12:57   to an event, either I think one or two things are happening.

00:13:00   One, they're trying to get in the news cycle

00:13:02   before they get buried for a month in WDC News.

00:13:07   But two, I always think, like what you think of,

00:13:09   they are part of something that's coming

00:13:11   and they've got permission or they just did it

00:13:14   to get the news out a little bit early.

00:13:17   Now they've done this Apple,

00:13:19   if there's a HomeKit section in the keynote,

00:13:21   can say, hey, HomeKit's growing.

00:13:23   Just last week Belkin is adding support.

00:13:25   It's beneficial for both companies.

00:13:28   And I have the feeling we're gonna get into our desires

00:13:33   in a little while, but I have a feeling that HomeKit

00:13:35   is gonna be a part of this year's announcements, no doubt.

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00:15:38   A person familiar with the matter

00:15:44   has told Mark Gurman that Apple is working on

00:15:46   and developing a processor solely devoted to AI related tasks. Internally this is known

00:15:54   as the Apple Neural Engine. It would be designed to help improve tasks such as face and speech

00:15:59   recognition. Apparently, if this chip does exist, this chip would take the strain away

00:16:07   from the CPU and GPU of devices when they are performing these tasks, therefore making

00:16:12   improvements to battery life and overall performance whilst trying to get these tasks computed.

00:16:17   Like for example, one thing I can think of is when the faces stuff is running in photos.

00:16:22   This currently CPU and GPU is of course being used for this and it's why probably your phone

00:16:25   gets so hot and things act weird until it's done crunching what it's going to do.

00:16:30   Google has been doing something similar.

00:16:32   They have, is it called the tensor processing unit, the TPU?

00:16:37   But from what I've seen and from what they talk about, this stuff seems to be like put

00:16:40   into servers and use for cloud infrastructure rather than being baked into actual personal

00:16:46   devices.

00:16:47   Steven, what do you think about this?

00:16:51   It seems like a very, very Apple-like way of doing this.

00:16:55   So Google is going to take this stuff and they're going to offload a lot of it to the

00:16:58   cloud and the cloud is going to send it back to the device.

00:17:02   But Apple really starting a couple of years ago and especially last year in the keynote

00:17:07   spoke about, you know, this stuff we want to do it on device and things like differential privacy,

00:17:13   you know, if we need to send stuff to the cloud, it's going to be so obscured,

00:17:16   we can't we can't trace it back to any one person. But bringing more of this on device,

00:17:23   really kind of frees them from that where they don't have to do stuff in the cloud,

00:17:27   a they're not great at it and to they want to do it on device from the privacy angle. So Apple,

00:17:34   you know, building a chip just for this is going to live inside our iOS devices

00:17:38   and potentially the Mac at some point.

00:17:40   I mean, it seems like, of course, that's the way Apple's going to solve it.

00:17:43   Of course they're going to solve it with a custom chip.

00:17:46   They're really good at custom chips. They don't want to do it in the cloud.

00:17:48   They don't want to send it across the internet.

00:17:50   Why not do it on device?

00:17:51   So I think it's a really strong possibility that this is accurate.

00:17:57   I think it makes a lot of sense to have a dedicated chip

00:18:01   doing this kind of machine learning and AI tasks

00:18:05   when the GPU is probably getting more intensive

00:18:10   and serious augmented reality features.

00:18:13   So it is my theory that maybe Apple wants to bring

00:18:17   some AR APIs and features to the current generation iPhones

00:18:22   and maybe the next iPhone.

00:18:24   And it makes sense to dedicate those type of tasks

00:18:28   that are more 3D and graphic oriented

00:18:32   to delegate those tasks to the GPU

00:18:36   and to have a separate chip,

00:18:38   kind of like the motion coprocessor

00:18:41   helps with the fitness and motion stuff.

00:18:43   I think it makes a lot of sense to dedicate AI

00:18:46   to a custom made piece of silicon

00:18:48   that is built to handle exactly those tasks

00:18:52   instead of sort of doing the work around of the GPU,

00:18:56   because it's not like phones are constantly rendering out 3D graphics and managing tasks that are traditionally better equipped for GPUs.

00:19:07   So a bunch of companies said, "Well, you know what? We have this chip in here and it's not like we're pushing graphics all day,

00:19:13   so why don't we delegate some stuff to that chip?"

00:19:15   And it makes sense, but it's not perfectly tailored to that chip.

00:19:20   So it makes sense to have a new one.

00:19:22   And I wonder if maybe by doing a separate chip

00:19:25   that is specifically built for AI,

00:19:28   Apple can do things like, well, now we can actually sync here

00:19:33   recognize faces across devices.

00:19:35   And I'm just theorizing here.

00:19:37   It's just trying to think of why Apple might wanna do this.

00:19:42   Now we can sync your stuff

00:19:43   because we have this more intensive algorithm

00:19:46   that associates random IDs with contacts and faces

00:19:50   and pictures on your phone, and then it decrypts that information locally.

00:19:54   So what we store in the cloud is just a bunch of metadata, but the actual decryption happens

00:19:59   locally on the device because we have this new chip.

00:20:02   There could be a way to go about it, but just in general I feel like it is better to build

00:20:07   a thing with an exact purpose and with the kind of technology that you know you're going

00:20:14   need instead of finding workarounds in the GPU even if it's a lot of power I

00:20:19   think it's better to have a separate thing for AI which is totally Apple like

00:20:24   Steven said and also push you know AR and more graphic intensive features for

00:20:32   the GPU which is built for exactly graphics, camera, 3D, that type of stuff.

00:20:38   So yeah this rumor makes a lot of sense to me and the name is also kind of cool.

00:20:42   this is one of those things where I just kind of nod along because in my mind in

00:20:50   my in my puny little mind I can't understand like why and how you could

00:20:57   make a specific chip that's good for this right where it's like okay so the

00:21:02   reason is so it is more efficient all right like what what happens like what

00:21:08   is it like just different different sand from a different beach or something

00:21:11   right? That is more acceptable to learning? Like I just can't fully process why it's better or worse?

00:21:19   I think it's in how you optimize the silicon in the sense of you know you're gonna deal with tasks

00:21:26   that involve for example a lot of comparisons between millions and millions of lines of text

00:21:33   for example and maybe you want to have a chip that can deal better with caching that information for

00:21:38   faster processing and maybe even multiple operations occurring at the same time.

00:21:43   Instead of optimizing for pushing out graphics and pushing out millions of polygons, maybe you want to

00:21:48   optimize the architecture of the CPU to say, "Now you gotta compare these two billions lines of text

00:21:54   in under 30 seconds." And those lines of text actually represent IDs for pictures or locations

00:22:00   that you need to decrypt. So maybe you want to optimize for a decryption algorithm that also

00:22:06   combines this new AI chip with the new file system stuff that Apple is doing on iOS to be even faster in that comparison.

00:22:14   So, you know, there's lots of smart people working on this stuff.

00:22:18   Yeah.

00:22:18   And I think, you know, besides the actual sand and the materials that you use, I think it's more in how,

00:22:24   like when you build a car,

00:22:26   it's always, you know, you're gonna use steel, you're gonna use plastic,

00:22:31   But then you optimize the car whether you know, it's an off-road kind of track or maybe it's a city car

00:22:37   The materials are the same but the optimizations are different

00:22:41   So that's my thinking that makes a lot of sense to me

00:22:44   But there's like there's still that thing where I don't want to get into this and I don't want anyone to try to explain it

00:22:48   To me either but like where it's I have to make that jump into understanding how these things even work

00:22:53   anyway, right like just this this pure like I

00:22:57   No understanding that I have for how these tiny little pieces of silicone

00:23:02   Make all of this stuff work, right? Like it's it's it's all mind-boggling to me

00:23:07   But it just it gets even more so when it's like oh, no, you just make a separate chip for that

00:23:12   that's like purpose made for that and I'm like

00:23:14   All right

00:23:17   Good work guys

00:23:19   Like I'm I believe everyone can do this

00:23:22   If you really think about it, like you use your phone and your iPad and your Mac and you think you know how to use them

00:23:27   But in reality you really don't know what is going on. Like if you in a metaphysical bunch of abstractions

00:23:32   Yeah, metaphysical sense once you get to think about you know

00:23:36   There's electricity running through this piece of silicon and they're doing operations with a bunch of zeros and ones

00:23:42   It doesn't really make any sense, but you know how to use it

00:23:45   So I think it's you know, like you said just abstract abstract the idea of there's a separate chip

00:23:51   It's like, you know, AI is getting a new t-shirt that is, you know, better fits AI.

00:23:58   That's all you need to know.

00:23:59   Hmm.

00:24:00   Not...

00:24:03   Hmm.

00:24:04   Well, that explains it perfectly.

00:24:08   Yeah, I think we're done with that.

00:24:09   Talking about something else that looks really nice, but I also don't understand how it works.

00:24:13   um, Reedle, which is a company that makes a lot of productivity focused applications

00:24:20   mostly for iOS including Spark and PDF expert and document 6, scanner pro and the like.

00:24:27   They have implemented their own form of drag and drop with their own applications.

00:24:33   So if you use Spark and document 6 and have them in split view on an iPad, you are able

00:24:39   drag-and-drop files from one to the other. Federico you had a really great

00:24:44   article explaining this and going into some detail on this. This is kind of

00:24:49   impressive right? Well actually no, this is really impressive.

00:24:52   Yeah, it is and especially if you consider the again the workaround that

00:24:58   these folks are using. So once again it is not a system-wide drag-and-drop

00:25:05   It's drag and drop limited to Riedel's own apps and the way that they're doing this is clever.

00:25:10   So on the iPad in Split View, they

00:25:13   create a local web server. So an app creates a web server and

00:25:18   if it finds

00:25:20   another app of the same family, so another Riedel app on the other side of Split View,

00:25:26   and if it finds that the user is starting to drag a file or a collection of files,

00:25:32   It communicates through this web server. So imagine there's like a website, but it's locally on your device

00:25:38   and it communicates information between the app on the left and the app on the right and it tells well the user is dragging so

00:25:44   represent this action with a drag and drop and

00:25:47   It looks like you're dragging a file from left to right and vice versa

00:25:51   But in actually if you pay attention, you can see how the file doesn't really

00:25:55   jump over the Split View divider

00:25:58   it just transitions very smoothly, but it transitions from the edge of the UI on the left to the other edge of the UI on the right.

00:26:08   So the little vertical black line between the two apps, it doesn't pass over that.

00:26:13   And that's because it's not taking over the iOS interface, it's just moving across apps.

00:26:19   But that kind of illusion, it's very hard to break and you've got to really go look for it, because it's really well done.

00:26:27   And the way that you can now move files from the email to PDF expert for example

00:26:34   Or you know a few days ago

00:26:36   I was talking to my accountant and I needed to share like five PDFs and usually what I do is I

00:26:41   zip them up in a single archive and I import the the single file in my email client because it's easier and because we all

00:26:48   Know that on iOS dealing with multiple files at once kind of sucks. So

00:26:54   Now with Spark and PDF export and even documents I can just grab the actual documents and you know

00:27:00   Drop them one by one

00:27:02   Into my email message that I'm working on. It just makes a lot of sense

00:27:07   I mean we've talked about this when when I did the iOS 11 concept and

00:27:11   Now that I've tried an unofficial but also real implementation of this

00:27:18   I continue to think it makes a lot of sense to have drag and drop on the iPad in Split View

00:27:22   It just feels natural and all the arguments that well, you know, drag and drop is meant for desktop computers

00:27:29   I think it actually makes more sense and it's more fun to use

00:27:33   On an iPad with multi touch and you know, maybe we're getting an official version next week fingers crossed. Yeah this this

00:27:41   This is great, but it hurts me because I don't use readers applications

00:27:46   So it makes me more and more sad that it exists right like I've downloaded documents and spark now

00:27:52   So I have them as a specific tool set for when I do something like dragging three attachments, right?

00:27:59   Because I prefer airmail to spark

00:28:02   I prefer PDF pen and I prefer just using something like Dropbox like I don't use an app like

00:28:09   Documents right like I don't use anything like that

00:28:12   Which is an app that kind of brings together a bunch of different files and you can use it for stuff

00:28:17   that is one that I have on my iPad anyway,

00:28:20   just in case I need to unzip something,

00:28:23   but I don't typically use an application like that.

00:28:26   So now it's like, ah, every time I use it,

00:28:29   I'm like, ah, this is so good,

00:28:31   but I feel this internal struggle

00:28:32   because they're just not the apps that I like to use.

00:28:35   And the reason is, is the apps that I do use,

00:28:37   I'm very used to them,

00:28:38   and I'm used to their specific way that things are done,

00:28:41   and I have no reason to move from them.

00:28:43   I really like Air Mail.

00:28:46   I like airmail a lot, airmail also frustrates me but the things I like about airmail outweigh

00:28:51   it which will be my, I think my eternal review of airmail, like that will remain for as long

00:28:56   as I use that application is that it does things that drive me bonkers but also the

00:29:02   stuff that it does right, nobody else does it so that's why I use it.

00:29:07   So it's frustrating to me that it's like this functionality is there and I want to be able

00:29:12   to have it all the time. They did a fantastic job of it. It feels perfect, right? Like it

00:29:17   feels natural. It doesn't feel like anything's happening other than the fact of me dragging

00:29:20   from one to the other. Like it's mind-blowing to me how they got the little transition thing

00:29:25   to work so well because it looks perfect. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Something

00:29:31   that I cannot reconcile in my head is that this got through App Review and I can't work

00:29:37   out why. I'll tell you why. So here's my thinking. This is super close to WWDC. So does this

00:29:46   mean that Apple's super cool with the idea of drag and drop because they're about to

00:29:51   do it? Or are they super cool with it because they're not going to? Right, like if Apple

00:29:55   was just about to debut drag and drop, would they let this through?

00:30:00   Well, the current argument is if Apple is about to do drag and drop and they reject the app,

00:30:09   now everybody's gonna think, oh well, Apple is gonna do drag and drop and they don't want

00:30:13   Readdle to have their own thing.

00:30:14   Yeah, but a super easy way of getting around that is just like they didn't like the way

00:30:19   that Readdle was doing it, right?

00:30:21   Like they're setting up these web servers between the applications.

00:30:25   How can you have an opinion if you don't have an official way to do it?

00:30:29   it's not like they're breaking any rules. Apps can create local web servers.

00:30:32   I mean Apple has lots of opinions about things it's never gonna do when it comes

00:30:36   to app review, right? Like screen recording applications. Let's just assume

00:30:40   that they're never gonna do those for one, right? Like that could be one thing.

00:30:42   Or emulators, right?

00:30:45   Yeah, but you could have the privacy and the copyright arguments there.

00:30:49   What's the argument against the user is wiping a file in an app?

00:30:54   Well, I'm just saying, like it could be they could say security, right?

00:30:56   that they think that there is a security risk,

00:30:58   which I assume that there isn't

00:31:00   with these web servers being set up, right?

00:31:03   'Cause you know, who's looking at them,

00:31:04   who's got access to them, I don't know how it works,

00:31:06   but let's just imagine there's some way

00:31:07   that something strange could happen.

00:31:09   So when I see something like this,

00:31:11   I'm like I can't work out in my head

00:31:12   whether it's good or bad, that it's there,

00:31:15   like from the opinion of App Review,

00:31:17   or you know, it's just the case of like,

00:31:19   it passed all the tests, App Review have no idea

00:31:22   about whether drag or drop's coming,

00:31:24   so they let it through, right?

00:31:25   That is what I hope is the most likely answer,

00:31:29   but it's just curious to me.

00:31:32   - Yeah, I don't think it's unusual.

00:31:33   Also, there's a third possibility,

00:31:35   which is something that I've heard from a few developers

00:31:38   over the past year of App Review,

00:31:40   approving some possibly controversial feature

00:31:45   with the promise that you're gonna not remove,

00:31:49   but adjust the feature within the next few months.

00:31:53   So this happened before, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of, I don't

00:31:59   want to say deal between them, but maybe a mutual agreement of, "I'm gonna let you do

00:32:06   drag and drop, but when the time comes, you're gonna have to support the official version

00:32:13   that we're doing."

00:32:14   I don't know.

00:32:15   Curious.

00:32:16   Yeah, I guess.

00:32:17   We're never gonna know anyway.

00:32:20   All right, gentlemen.

00:32:22   The time has come, we need to talk about WWDC because it's happening next week. And of course

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00:34:21   Steven, establish the rules please.

00:34:26   Okay, so as we have said a couple times, these are not official predictions.

00:34:32   We decided to go for wishes, and so this isn't necessarily what we think will happen.

00:34:37   This is what we would like to happen, if that distinction makes any sense at all.

00:34:41   I think it does.

00:34:42   Well, it's like these are the things that we really wish Apple would come out with,

00:34:47   but we don't necessarily believe they're going to do them all.

00:34:50   Which is how I feel for most of my picks.

00:34:52   Or it could be a contest of who's gonna be the happiest in the end.

00:34:59   Mmm, yeah, that's interesting.

00:35:01   So like nobody, I mean there isn't a winner in the idea that like we're competing here,

00:35:05   But the person who gets the most of this right will just be more happy in life.

00:35:10   We should mock up like a happy-ometer with our faces on it.

00:35:17   With all the dials that go around, you know, like an applause thing.

00:35:21   You know, like when you get it empty.

00:35:24   Please clap now.

00:35:26   Oh, poor Jeb.

00:35:29   Alright, so we have broken this into four categories.

00:35:35   Mac OS, hardware, and what I very descriptively called "other". Yeah that

00:35:43   was so helpful when I went to the document. Yeah, you know, other stuff.

00:35:48   Stuff that's not the other things. And so we're gonna, our order will change

00:35:52   each time, but we're gonna start with iOS and Federico that means that we start

00:35:57   with you. Alright, so what I would like to have and what Apple is probably never

00:36:05   gonna do is to have a more integrated and consolidated family sharing

00:36:10   experience on iOS all in one place. I would love to have a single app, a single

00:36:16   dashboard of all my family members and where we can see our reminders, our

00:36:21   calendar events, what is coming up, maybe even having an embedded iMessage

00:36:26   conversation where we can share photos, view photos taken at specific

00:36:34   events or locations, share memories or albums from the Photos app.

00:36:38   And even as an administrator, I would love to be able to manage other people's

00:36:43   storage, buy them subscriptions for iCloud or for Apple Music.

00:36:48   So to have a single place where I can invite family members and I can manage all of

00:36:55   their information instead of having to do this in a bunch of different places and a bunch

00:36:58   of different apps. I love to keep the apps as the repositories of that data.

00:37:04   So iCloud Drive, Photos, but also to have a single place called the Family App or

00:37:09   whatever, where I can go in there and see all in one place.

00:37:14   Both from a consuming media perspective but also from an administrator

00:37:21   perspective to manage subscriptions, accounts, resetting passwords, you know

00:37:27   that kind of stuff. And Sylvia and I, we've been using Picnic to share todos,

00:37:35   calendar events, and to have the... and it's exactly this type of dashboard, you

00:37:38   know, you get these tiles of calendar events, tasks, you can assign them,

00:37:43   assign them to each other, view what is coming up on each other's calendar, and

00:37:47   it's very handy. There's even an embedded chat thing going on. And I would love to

00:37:52   have an official Apple take on this. Instead of having to use a third-party

00:37:55   It makes subtle sense because Apple has the hooks to this stuff already with family sharing.

00:38:00   It's just very scattered shot and it's inconsistent and I would love to just have a single app and a single dashboard to manage and view all of this.

00:38:08   Yeah, I think there's a lot they could do with the family sharing, especially in the photo library thing, but we'll get to that in a minute.

00:38:17   it. Alright so I am up next in our robin of round and I would like to see additional software

00:38:27   functionality for the Apple Pencil. So one of the things that was spoken about, like

00:38:33   Fraser was talking about it quite a lot in the episode of Canvas that we alluded to earlier

00:38:37   on and he mentioned one thing which is system wide mark up which I think would be really

00:38:41   cool and I've imagined this before I think I spoke about this in the past like that you

00:38:44   You would for example invoke the multitasking or the split view picker and there would be

00:38:48   a button there that you could press which would basically freeze the screen, you know,

00:38:54   or whatever, you'd be able to choose an application.

00:38:57   And then just draw straight on it, press done and you just get something saved straight

00:39:01   to your photos app that you could share somewhere else.

00:39:03   So you're just able to draw around and very easily just mark up the screen that you're

00:39:07   looking at.

00:39:08   It's a very simple feature but it would be a good feature for a lot of people, especially

00:39:12   people working in design, right? Like I think it would be a really good use of the Apple

00:39:17   Pencil because you know the markup functionality exists within a couple of applications on

00:39:22   iOS and I think it would be really nice if you could just do it wherever you wanted.

00:39:27   Even just enhancing this and putting this into more applications like Safari for example

00:39:32   to even just get a markup feature I think would be really cool. Outside of that I think

00:39:37   it would be a nice addition for the Apple Pencil to be able to invoke 3D touch on iOS

00:39:47   on the iPad. Because it would be a little work around, right? The Apple Pencil has the

00:39:54   ability to sense force rather than the screen. So why not just have that functionality exposed

00:40:02   via the use of the Apple Pencil. None of these 3D touch actions are not mandatory on the

00:40:07   the iPad because it can't support it. But if you have a device which can sense pressure,

00:40:12   why not enable this stuff in the UI and have it accessible with the Apple Pencil. I don't

00:40:17   see what you'd be losing with that. I think it would be a benefit for people like me who

00:40:21   use the Apple Pencil in this way. Lastly, I would really like to see some APIs and maybe

00:40:28   like a framework or whatever you would call it which Apple could create for other applications

00:40:33   to take advantage of in the way that it's Federico is it called ink the hand

00:40:37   like the detect the handwriting thing with the Apple pencil is that what they

00:40:41   call it in iOS yeah I think so so whatever it is that Newton kit no I

00:40:47   don't think it's called that but it's a good name for it whatever it is in iOS

00:40:51   that developers can take advantage of that allows them to have like the really

00:40:55   smooth drawing right like that came with the Apple pencil I would like to see

00:40:59   something like this created for handwriting to text conversion so you

00:41:02   you could take some notes and then have them converted into text which could be copied

00:41:07   and put into other applications. I would like to see Apple do this so we can get a consistent

00:41:11   thing across apps rather than people trying to do it themselves with varying degrees of

00:41:16   success, right? So I think it would be nice to see if Apple could do something like this

00:41:20   themselves. So for example, I would be--and as I like to do, I like to take calls, you

00:41:25   know, whenever I take calls, I like to use something like Notability to take notes of

00:41:28   of the call, but then I would like to be able to maybe copy and paste some of the text in

00:41:32   Slack or something to share with somebody. I think it would be really nice to have a

00:41:37   system-wide feature as well, or like an API which people could take advantage of, which

00:41:41   would allow for this to be expanded. I think that would be really nice.

00:41:45   Yeah, these are all great wishes, Myke. Thank you, Federico.

00:41:52   My first one is improvements to mail.

00:41:55   So unlike Myke, I don't use Airmail, I don't use Spark.

00:41:59   Really no third party email client has ever really stuck for me.

00:42:02   I keep finding myself going back to mail.

00:42:05   And I think that out of like all of the software Apple has ever shipped on iOS, mail has gotten

00:42:12   the least number of changes over the years.

00:42:15   It is very, very similar to what it was even at launch a long time ago.

00:42:21   And I think that's time to change.

00:42:22   I think there's a reason that third-party mail apps that are experiencing this big boon

00:42:26   right now that people want more features.

00:42:29   People want things like snoozing and smart mailboxes and the ability to attach multiple

00:42:34   documents or to, you know, easily share with other services.

00:42:39   And right now mail just doesn't do any of that.

00:42:41   It's very basic.

00:42:42   It's very old.

00:42:44   And I think it's time that Apple do that.

00:42:48   And one thing I would really like them to bring over is contact management.

00:42:51   So in Mail on the Mac, you have things like your previous recipient's panel.

00:42:57   So if you haven't saved someone as a contact, you can scroll that list and find their email

00:43:02   address.

00:43:03   Conversely, if you email somebody and their email address changes, you can tell Mail,

00:43:08   "Hey, don't auto-complete this address anymore.

00:43:13   You know, pull the one from the contact record."

00:43:15   And that sort of stuff is really helpful on the Mac when you do a lot of email like I

00:43:18   do and having some of those tools available on iOS would really be nice.

00:43:24   And to see Apple move mail kind of into the 21st century would be really exciting for

00:43:30   me.

00:43:34   My next one is about Siri.

00:43:36   I would love to have more SiriKit on iOS and just new ways to talk to Siri.

00:43:43   When it comes to apps, I think we should have more "domains" as they're called.

00:43:48   I should be able to talk to Siri and control podcasts from other apps like Overcast, for example.

00:43:55   I would love to play my cue or a specific episode using Siri.

00:43:59   It would be great to have task management support so I can create tasks in Todoist or OmniFocus

00:44:07   instead of just reminders. Note taking support, calendar events for third-party

00:44:13   apps. In general I would love to see a deeper integration of SiriKit across all

00:44:19   the different kinds of apps that we can have on iOS. Because you know the few

00:44:23   times that I've used SiriKit and it's not been a lot of times but for example

00:44:28   I need to send a WhatsApp message or I even tried it with PayPal a couple of

00:44:33   times. It's really nice so I would love to get support for more different kinds

00:44:38   of apps. And the second part of this wish is a way to talk to Siri using text.

00:44:45   We've seen some companies doing this. I think Cortana has a proper text mode and

00:44:52   definitely the Google Assistant which is now also on the iPhone with an app as a

00:44:56   keyboard mode where you can type and you can have like a message conversation

00:45:01   with the assistant.

00:45:02   And it works.

00:45:03   You know, we're not arguing here about the merits

00:45:06   and the problems of the Google Assistant,

00:45:09   but the idea of I cannot talk right now,

00:45:11   but I want you to do stuff on my behalf,

00:45:15   I think it totally works.

00:45:16   And I think there should be a way to talk to Siri,

00:45:20   which knows a lot about me as access

00:45:22   to a lot of my personal data on my iPhone.

00:45:25   And there should be a way to talk to Siri

00:45:27   when I cannot actually speak aloud.

00:45:30   So whether it's embedded in iMessage with a dedicated Siri recipient or Siri thread,

00:45:38   or if it's a keyboard mode in the default Siri UI, I don't care.

00:45:43   I would just love to have a way to bring up Siri and instead of talking, using the keyboard

00:45:51   to type my messages and to respond to Siri by typing instead of talking.

00:45:58   I think it makes sense too.

00:46:00   to be able to do that.

00:46:01   - I agree with the typing thing.

00:46:03   I think especially if we're going to the future

00:46:05   that is predicted for AI assistants,

00:46:09   we should be able to ask them complex things

00:46:14   that we will be able to get answers for quickly

00:46:16   just by typing a question to them, right?

00:46:18   Like right now, if you're able to type the question to Siri,

00:46:23   you can get the answer you need by typing it somewhere else

00:46:27   for the majority of things, right?

00:46:29   Like if one of the things that you do to Siri is ask for your sports scores, if the phone's

00:46:33   in your hand and you can type to Siri, you can probably just go to Google, right?

00:46:37   And get it.

00:46:38   But I'm talking like, I think we should have this now so it can be more useful in the future.

00:46:43   You know, like for example, even something like sending money, you know, you can do this

00:46:47   stuff with Siri where you can send money.

00:46:48   I think it would probably be quicker for me to just pull down Siri or press the Siri app

00:46:52   or whatever it is and just type like, "Send $5 to Kyle."

00:46:56   will probably be quicker than navigating through the Square app.

00:47:03   Or like if I imagine PayPal, right? So I had to send money to somebody with PayPal on the iOS app yesterday.

00:47:07   It took ages. So many times.

00:47:10   Oh yes, I agree with you. Okay, okay, okay. I think you meant the opposite.

00:47:14   No, no, I mean it would be quicker to just type to Siri and say like, "Send $25 to Federico."

00:47:20   Like that is quicker.

00:47:21   - Oh yes, totally.

00:47:22   - It took so long for me to send $20 to myself

00:47:26   to another PayPal account.

00:47:27   Like that was what I needed to do

00:47:28   from my business account to my personal account.

00:47:30   And it took forever.

00:47:32   So they're the more complicated things.

00:47:34   And I think as what you can do with Siri

00:47:36   becomes more and more complicated,

00:47:38   it will be quicker to do it.

00:47:39   Like for example, I love Fantastical.

00:47:42   Many people love Fantastical

00:47:44   because you could just type your events in.

00:47:46   Because like if you wanna open a calendar app

00:47:49   and add an event just by tapping on things.

00:47:51   It takes ages, right?

00:47:53   Like to set all of the stuff you have to set.

00:47:55   But if you just type it in as a sentence, it's really quick.

00:47:59   So that's why I think it would be useful

00:48:00   to have the ability to type in Siri

00:48:03   is because eventually as these things

00:48:04   get more and more complex, it's quicker to just ask it.

00:48:07   And sometimes you can't speak.

00:48:09   So I agree with you completely.

00:48:10   But like I think like a lot of people are like,

00:48:12   "Oh, why would you wanna type to an assistant?"

00:48:14   That's why, as things get more and more complicated,

00:48:16   it's quicker to do it than in any other way.

00:48:18   My second pick, or my final pick for iOS,

00:48:23   something that I feel like I have asked for every year,

00:48:26   and I'm just gonna keep asking for it,

00:48:28   which is improvements to notifications.

00:48:30   So one thing that I would like to see,

00:48:32   and just, this is purely selfish, right,

00:48:34   'cause if we're measuring on the happyometer,

00:48:36   is the return of the ability to group notifications

00:48:39   in the notification center by app, not just chronologically.

00:48:42   I will never understand why they took this away.

00:48:45   It makes me sad every single day

00:48:47   because I just get this huge list of things

00:48:51   and all I really want to do is just be able to see

00:48:53   X and Y application and clear the rest,

00:48:55   but I can't do that.

00:48:56   I have to go through the whole massive list

00:48:59   if I want to see all my notifications.

00:49:01   The thing that I continue to ask for,

00:49:02   which I'll ask for here,

00:49:04   is the ability to give developers more control

00:49:08   over where notifications can get sent.

00:49:10   We have two devices.

00:49:12   We have the watch and we have the phone.

00:49:15   And currently, all you can do is say blanket yes or no

00:49:20   by device for where notifications get sent.

00:49:24   So if I want to get Tweetbot notifications to my phone,

00:49:29   and to my phone, I wanna see mentions

00:49:31   from my friends and DMs,

00:49:33   I also have to get those to my watch

00:49:35   if I want any Tweetbot notifications at all.

00:49:38   I would like to see the ability for inside of applications

00:49:41   for me to be able to choose,

00:49:43   Some go to my phone, some go to my watch.

00:49:46   So some other examples of this would be,

00:49:48   let's say Slack for example.

00:49:49   So I have many channels in a Slack.

00:49:51   Let's say that there's one channel

00:49:53   where I wanna get notifications on my phone or on my iPad

00:49:57   for everything that happens in a specific channel

00:49:59   because it's important, right?

00:50:01   But if people are getting into a conversation,

00:50:04   I don't want that buzz in my wrist

00:50:05   because that conversation is not important then, right?

00:50:10   Like I only ever want it to buzz me

00:50:12   for when somebody would send me a DM or say my,

00:50:14   like mention my name or something, right?

00:50:16   I would like to see that sort of thing.

00:50:18   So I could split these notifications up.

00:50:20   So like only the most critical get sent to my watch,

00:50:24   but my other iOS devices can still receive

00:50:27   more notifications because it's less intrusive.

00:50:30   Another one would be messages, right?

00:50:32   So let's say with messages,

00:50:33   all notifications for all the messages that I receive

00:50:36   go to my phone or my iPad,

00:50:37   but just VIPs to my watch because they're the people

00:50:39   that I only really want to be buzzing my wrist.

00:50:42   So that's the type of stuff that I would like for the ability for developers to let you

00:50:48   push different types of applications to different places.

00:50:51   This is a superpower user feature, right?

00:50:52   Something that a lot of people are not going to use.

00:50:56   But then just don't, you know, everything just defaults as it does now.

00:50:59   But I would love to see Apple really take further steps with understanding that one

00:51:04   of the big features for a lot of people with this device that they created that we strapped

00:51:07   to our bodies is to receive notifications and giving developers the ability to allow

00:51:13   us to have more control over that would be great.

00:51:16   I also saw an Android O feature that I really want, dots and they're long pressed for notifications

00:51:21   so they don't do badges, they do dots and the dots don't have numbers on them, oh my

00:51:26   gosh would I love that for notification badges to not have numbers on them, for them just

00:51:31   to be a color, that's all I want.

00:51:33   Oh I want to know something's in there, I don't want to know I've got 20 emails right,

00:51:37   that's just me, I don't like the number, I like the visual notification. But what I also like is

00:51:42   that when you see something that has a dot, you can 3D touch or long touch or whatever it is called

00:51:47   in Android, and it gives in the little expanded pop-up, it shows you the notification for that

00:51:53   application. That makes so much sense to me, right? Like if I've cleared all of the notifications from

00:52:00   the notifications center, but I have a badge which has four on it, I have to open the application to

00:52:05   to see what those notifications are about. I would love for it to just long

00:52:08   press and just seal the notifications right there within the 3D Touch menu.

00:52:12   That would be cool. Apple is probably just gonna keep the numeric badge but

00:52:17   also show you notifications from the app when you 3D Touch. I would like, I mean

00:52:22   yeah, out of those things I would prefer the 3D Touch action more than the badge

00:52:27   change. But then you get a bunch of menus like you get the shortcuts and the

00:52:32   widget and the notifications.

00:52:33   - Yeah, but you can get rid of the shortcuts

00:52:35   'cause nobody uses them.

00:52:36   - Really?

00:52:38   I use them all the time.

00:52:39   - What do you use the shortcuts for?

00:52:41   - To create a new task in Todoist,

00:52:44   to open my recent WhatsApp conversations,

00:52:48   - All right, okay. - To change teams with Slack.

00:52:50   - Okay, you've made your point, you've made your point.

00:52:53   What about then?

00:52:54   - All the time.

00:52:55   - Getting rid of the widgets?

00:52:57   - That I could agree with.

00:52:59   - Okay, cool.

00:53:00   All I needed was something.

00:53:01   get rid of the widgets and show notifications and stuff.

00:53:03   - Or have it be an option.

00:53:04   - That I could agree with that.

00:53:07   I'd miss the recent chats from WhatsApp, but you know.

00:53:12   Yeah, okay.

00:53:15   - I chuckled that you used Slack as an example

00:53:17   because you still can't reply to a notification.

00:53:20   - Yeah, that sucks, I know.

00:53:21   - Come on guys, come on.

00:53:24   What are you doing?

00:53:25   You're making threads, do this instead.

00:53:28   So my last one to round up iOS is multi-user support on iPad

00:53:35   for normal human beings.

00:53:37   So with iOS 9.3, with the classroom app,

00:53:40   you can have multi-user support for iPads in schools.

00:53:43   There's a lot of stuff you have to do to make that work.

00:53:47   It'd be nice to see this come to just regular old iOS

00:53:52   with the next version without needing a Mac OS server,

00:53:57   without needing Apple Classroom, but to have it basically

00:54:02   like on the Mac, where you have multiple users,

00:54:04   and each user on iOS would have their own apps

00:54:07   and their own Touch ID login and their own settings.

00:54:10   Obviously, there would need to be some sort of system

00:54:12   requirements for this.

00:54:13   I could see this only being available

00:54:15   if you have 64 gigs of storage or more, perhaps.

00:54:21   Probably only on newer iPads.

00:54:23   But I think we've talked about it on the show,

00:54:26   as a person with kids in the house and they use iPads.

00:54:31   It would be nice to have this set up where

00:54:34   if they're using my wife's iPad for something for school,

00:54:37   they don't go in there and delete all of her email

00:54:39   or remove an app accidentally or something.

00:54:41   So this really seems like all the pieces are there,

00:54:45   it's been locked away for education,

00:54:47   and they can make it work as a standalone feature.

00:54:50   I think it would be really, really nice

00:54:52   for those of us who have sort of shared iPads at home.

00:54:55   - All right, moving on to Mac OS.

00:54:57   Steven, you have destroyed the idea of round robin

00:54:59   and you're going first again.

00:55:01   - Yes.

00:55:02   No, I told you, I opened this saying,

00:55:05   the order changes in each section

00:55:07   based on who cares about what the most.

00:55:08   So Federico is last in the Mac OS section.

00:55:10   - I don't think that's how round robin works.

00:55:12   Like this is a series of individual round robins.

00:55:14   I'm not comfortable about that.

00:55:16   - It's like Russian nesting dolls of round robins.

00:55:20   It's like, you crack one open,

00:55:21   there's another round robin inside.

00:55:23   Crack it open, there's a smaller round robin inside.

00:55:25   round robins all the way down. So up first on Mac OS I have the breaking up of

00:55:34   iTunes and this is not necessarily a new idea but it's I think it's high time

00:55:40   that Mac OS adopts the iOS approach to Apple media stores and consumption where

00:55:48   on iOS you have the music app, you have the TV app, you have the podcast app, you

00:55:56   also still have the iTunes store app which there is like some real weirdness

00:56:01   if you haven't used the TV app on iOS heavily like just try it for like a

00:56:05   couple of weeks try to buy media through it try to like manage your media through it.

00:56:08   It's really weird in places I still find myself purchasing stuff in the iTunes

00:56:15   store app and then just watching it in TV. Maybe it's just me but they can clean all

00:56:18   that up. But that makes a lot of sense on iOS, you sort of have these siloed apps, and

00:56:23   they all talk to their own stores. But iTunes on the Mac, they haven't done that. And you

00:56:28   basically have a tab for each of these things in iTunes. And if you're in the TV mode, and

00:56:33   you hit the store button, you go to the TV store, or if you're in the podcast section,

00:56:37   and you hit the store button you take into the podcast directory, I think it's time to

00:56:41   break that up. The way I see this happening is very much like it is on iOS

00:56:46   where you have the music app which is both local and Apple music stuff, TV your

00:56:52   TV and movies being there and then it could sync all that you know your

00:56:55   provider stuff like it does an iOS and the Apple TV, the Apple podcast app

00:57:00   coming to the Mac and really the only kind of question mark I have here is

00:57:05   what about people who still sync devices to a Mac?

00:57:11   And I know that listeners of the show may laugh at that, but a lot of people still do

00:57:14   it.

00:57:15   And I think that Apple still has to accommodate those users.

00:57:19   People still use iPods.

00:57:20   People still use this stuff.

00:57:22   And maybe that's in the music app, or my thought is there's maybe even a fourth syncing app

00:57:27   that you plug your phone in and it knows about all these apps, it can talk to them, and you

00:57:32   can select what you want on your device.

00:57:34   Again, not everybody uses this.

00:57:35   It's not something Apple has to support forever.

00:57:37   But I still think a lot of people do this today.

00:57:40   And I think there needs to be some way to do that.

00:57:43   Things like backing up your iOS device to a computer.

00:57:46   Or if your iOS device has fallen into DFU mode,

00:57:51   the only way to put iOS back on it is through a computer.

00:57:54   You can't do that just with a device.

00:57:56   And so there are cases where you still

00:57:58   need to attach an iPhone or an iPad to a Mac.

00:58:00   And so there needs to be some sort of Sync App,

00:58:03   Apple used to have iSync, they could bring that name back.

00:58:06   Some sort of app in the middle to kind of manage this

00:58:09   when you need it, but for those of us who don't need that,

00:58:12   you can just use the music, TV, and podcast app

00:58:14   and not ever plug your device in,

00:58:16   but some utility there for those who need it,

00:58:18   I think would be a necessity still.

00:58:21   - Well, one way you could do that with the devices thing

00:58:25   is just not to get rid of iTunes,

00:58:28   but it just lives somewhere in a folder

00:58:30   like how old GarageBand stuff is, right?

00:58:33   Like, that they up-- or iMovie.

00:58:34   You know, they have a history of this.

00:58:36   They update an application so far away from the current users

00:58:40   that they just put it in a folder and just hide it.

00:58:43   It's there, but don't pay any attention to it.

00:58:45   They could just do that with iTunes.

00:58:46   So you could continue to keep plugging stuff in and using it,

00:58:49   but you actually never really use it unless you need it.

00:58:55   Yeah, so I think that's definitely--

00:58:57   that's the easiest way out, right?

00:58:58   You just stick it in the utilities folder

00:59:00   and it's there forever.

00:59:01   which would be fine.

00:59:02   Jason said this on Upgrade yesterday,

00:59:05   this idea of Mac OS is a very mature product.

00:59:10   I think all of us struggle to come up with things for this.

00:59:13   - So bad. - I wrote an article

00:59:14   predicting things in 10.13 and it was a struggle.

00:59:18   This would be a way to sort of mitigate that,

00:59:20   that hey, 10.13 comes with all new media apps.

00:59:24   And yes, that's not part of the OS itself,

00:59:28   but neither is something like Mail or Safari,

00:59:29   and that always gets headlines when they have a male Safari update for the Mac.

00:59:33   So I think this works to cover Mac OS 10.13 maybe being a little bit of a bummer OS

00:59:40   because it's really solid now and it's hard to come up with new things.

00:59:43   I think this would be fine to sort of lump in there altogether.

00:59:46   >> All right.

00:59:48   So I went with two different picks, right?

00:59:51   And my picks are weighted in certain ways.

00:59:54   I'm picking my first one because I know that the people

00:59:57   that will be made happy by me talking about this are the same people that will be irate

01:00:03   by my second pick. Just bear this in mind everyone, that when you hear my second pick,

01:00:09   remember I said this first thing which you might like, because the second thing you probably

01:00:13   want. First pick is some changes to the Mac App Store. So I think it would be really nice

01:00:19   and really great and would be a good idea for Apple to make a compelling case again

01:00:24   for Mac developers to actually put their software in the store. I think that they should make

01:00:28   the business model better in some way, right? Like they maybe could make the deal a little

01:00:32   bit sweeter in developers favor. They should relax some of the sandboxing restrictions,

01:00:37   right? Just understand that like apps are different on the Mac to iOS, right? And they're

01:00:42   just gonna be. I think that they should also do something to try and make the application

01:00:46   better. I was doing some updates the other day and like it's just so bad, right? Like

01:00:52   Not only is this the App Store, it's also like where system updates happen.

01:00:55   And I will be like, OK, press install and then no UI changes.

01:00:58   It's so buggy.

01:00:59   But if I go to the purchase tab, I can see that stuff's happening.

01:01:02   Great. No, that's good.

01:01:03   That's where I want all of my updates to be occurring.

01:01:06   Like you go to the purchases tab. That makes sense.

01:01:08   So bad. Just so bad.

01:01:11   Like App Stores themselves,

01:01:14   there are lots of conveniences for customers and developers.

01:01:17   And I personally miss that on Mac OS, right?

01:01:20   Like the idea of like, okay, so I bought this application

01:01:23   and I have to save the serial number

01:01:25   in case I get a new computer

01:01:27   and then I need to put the serial number in again.

01:01:29   Like I don't like any of that.

01:01:30   Like I like to be able to just go to the app store

01:01:32   and redownload stuff, know that I've got them

01:01:34   on like the two Macs that I have, right?

01:01:36   Like it's easy and that all of my updates come to me.

01:01:40   All of my updates are gonna come to me

01:01:41   without being infected by horrific malware, right?

01:01:45   Which is a trend right now.

01:01:47   like I really would prefer to get all of my stuff from the Mac App Store for the reasons

01:01:53   that I like the App Store. So I think it would be good to see Apple really like just walk

01:01:58   back a lot of the stuff that they did just to make it easier for developers and for the

01:02:03   convenience and safety of their customers.

01:02:05   Yeah, because if the result of the Mac App Store is people still going to websites to

01:02:09   download apps because those apps cannot be on the Mac App Store and those apps bring

01:02:14   malware onto your Mac, well, did you really fix any problems with the Mac App Store and

01:02:18   set-boxing?

01:02:19   No, not at all.

01:02:20   If basically by enacting some rules and people resort to the old ways and now everybody has

01:02:27   a problem, do the rules really work in your favor?

01:02:31   So yeah, I agree.

01:02:33   Anyway, is it my turn now for...

01:02:36   Yeah.

01:02:37   It's your turn.

01:02:39   Can I not just agree with what your guys are gonna say about the Mac?

01:02:42   Yeah.

01:02:43   No, no wishes for Mac OS at all.

01:02:47   Okay, I'm just gonna, I can do this one out of respect and especially I'm doing it for

01:02:55   my girlfriend.

01:02:56   It would be nice to have, she's a Mac user, it would be nice to have HomeKit access on

01:03:03   the Mac.

01:03:04   And I mean, I will never use it, but I understand why it could be useful to, I don't know if

01:03:10   it's gonna be Control Center or some other widget or a home app on the Mac.

01:03:15   I cannot see a home app happening on the Mac, it just feels IOS-y to me in a way.

01:03:22   But it could be useful to have some way to turn off the lights and to control your homekit

01:03:28   accessories on the Mac.

01:03:29   And especially I guess it makes sense to use, especially desktop Macs, they're always gonna

01:03:36   to be plugged in, whether it's the future Mac Pro or the Mac Mini if it's still around

01:03:42   or an iMac, to use them as HomeKit servers.

01:03:45   You know, you can use the iPad and you can use the Apple TV as remote hubs.

01:03:49   And I mean, I use it all the time.

01:03:52   The only reason why I keep my Apple TV plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi is to be able to

01:03:56   access my HomeKit stuff when I'm not at home over 4G.

01:03:59   So it could be useful for people who have desktop Macs to leave their Macs running and

01:04:03   connected to the internet so the HomeKit accessories can still be accessed

01:04:07   remotely and managed remotely. So yeah that could be nice I think.

01:04:14   Yeah I'm definitely in favor of that. You know I've got a bunch of HomeKit stuff

01:04:19   and it'd be nice to have a widget over there in the Today View. I would jump in

01:04:24   and say as someone who does use Mac the whole Today Widget View notification

01:04:32   center on Mac OS is real hot garbage. Like it's impossible to understand what

01:04:37   tab you're in. Even in dark mode it's bright white. The widget picker thing is

01:04:43   sort of buggy and sort of hard to use at times. I think hey when you're making a

01:04:47   homekit widget put some thought into how this thing actually

01:04:52   actually works and looks because it feels really grafted on right now. So I

01:05:00   I guess I'm up next and I'm going to go deep nerdy on this and I'm going to say a more

01:05:06   powerful time machine.

01:05:08   And so I'm going to talk about the file system.

01:05:10   So you boys just buckle up.

01:05:12   It's going to be fun.

01:05:14   APFS includes two technologies that I think could really make like time machine two, call

01:05:22   it that, much more powerful for Mac users.

01:05:26   And those are snapshots and better indexing.

01:05:29   So I think Time Machine could become faster and more flexible.

01:05:32   Right now if you want a bootable backup, so if you have a bootable backup, basically what

01:05:36   that means is if my iMac dies, I can plug that USB drive into my MacBook Pro, I can

01:05:41   hold down Option and I can boot from that external drive and it's just like I'm on my

01:05:45   iMac.

01:05:47   It's very helpful for troubleshooting, it's very helpful to have a backup like that in

01:05:51   case something goes terribly wrong.

01:05:52   A lot of nerdy people use bootable backups as a second tier to Time Machine, so they

01:05:58   time machine but then they also have a bootable backup, that's what I do. In addition to something

01:06:02   like backblaze which you should use as well. But right now you have to use a third party

01:06:08   utility like super duper or carbon copy cloner to make these bootable backups. And as far

01:06:16   as I'm aware the snapshotting feature in APFS could make it possible that time machine could

01:06:21   offer something like that. The time machine backups could become bootable. Right now if

01:06:25   If you have a time machine backup, the only way to get that data off is to restore it

01:06:30   via the time machine utility or to do it as part of a new max setup.

01:06:37   And so it's kind of limiting what you can do with that data.

01:06:41   I'm also would be very curious and very interested to see if APFS would give Apple the ability

01:06:49   to restore to multiple points in a time machine backup.

01:06:53   So right now, if my last Time Machine drive, or my last Time Machine backup was three days

01:07:01   ago, but for some reason I need to restore a computer to the state it was in seven days

01:07:06   ago, I can't do that.

01:07:07   I can only restore to the most recent complete backup.

01:07:13   And APFS and Time Machine 2 could allow the ability to do that.

01:07:18   So I could pick what point in time I want to restore to.

01:07:22   that's not something most people need,

01:07:24   but it's something that could become useful

01:07:27   in certain situations.

01:07:28   And so I fully expect to see APFS as part of 10.13.

01:07:32   They basically have said that,

01:07:32   that it's coming this year to the Mac.

01:07:34   But I would like to see them revisit Time Machine

01:07:37   and make it more powerful for those people

01:07:38   who need more options.

01:07:40   And even if it just means it's more reliable and faster,

01:07:44   then that's a win for Mac users, I think.

01:07:46   - Okay, I don't really have anything to add, I'm so sorry.

01:07:51   You guys both use Time Machine, right?

01:07:53   - Yeah, I use it, but it's one of those things

01:07:55   that I use for the point to never think about it, right?

01:07:58   - Right.

01:07:59   - Like, okay, great, improve it,

01:08:01   but I don't ever wanna be bothered with the improvements.

01:08:04   - Right, I think that's definitely how they would do it.

01:08:06   I think that it's more options if you want them,

01:08:09   but they would, I mean, absolutely,

01:08:11   like the user interface for Time Machine

01:08:13   that you plug into Drive, you click OK,

01:08:14   and then it does it, that should not change.

01:08:16   That's why Time Machine is so successful, I think,

01:08:19   'cause people don't have to worry about it.

01:08:20   Alright, so, remember I said some good stuff, right? Like everyone agreed that like my first

01:08:27   Mac pic was a really good Mac pic?

01:08:29   This is where people are going to get upset with you.

01:08:31   I think that Apple should start to show the signs of a MacBook with touch input. I am

01:08:38   concerned that Apple is not making the right call in just being like, "Macks do not have

01:08:44   touch screens, like they should not." I don't think that there has to be a hybrid OS, but

01:08:50   but I think the ability to use a touchscreen on a Mac,

01:08:54   on a Mac laptop, it's not crazy.

01:08:56   Like the option to touch the occasional thing,

01:09:00   like for example, highlighting text with my fingers,

01:09:03   which I find to be nicer and quicker

01:09:06   than using a keyboard and mouse,

01:09:08   to the point where I was using my MacBook,

01:09:10   Adorable, the other day,

01:09:11   I was getting it set up for my trip,

01:09:13   and I was typing some text on it,

01:09:15   and I reached out and tapped that screen

01:09:18   highlight a word, right?

01:09:20   Like, okay, so I'm going to give you…

01:09:21   It happens.

01:09:22   The reason that I think that this is something that should happen is because I use a machine

01:09:26   in this configuration every single day.

01:09:30   I use an iPad Pro with a keyboard, right?

01:09:34   Every day I'm doing this.

01:09:35   I have my iPad Pro on my lap with the keyboard in front of me.

01:09:39   I type on the keyboard, I touch the screen.

01:09:41   Like, that is a configuration that Apple believes works.

01:09:46   touch because they make a product that does it right the old

01:09:50   Reason that they used to give of like no one wants to reach out and touch a screen like that doesn't exist anymore

01:09:55   Because they make a product where you can only touch to interact with the UI

01:10:00   I think having the ability to also have this is

01:10:05   not a bad thing like if the iPad program work then so can a MacBook and like

01:10:11   because

01:10:13   People growing up now are used to touching screens. Screens you cannot touch are stupid, right?

01:10:19   I think that laptops with screens that you can touch is not a terrible thing. It's not a bad thing.

01:10:26   You don't have to use it, but for the person that would want to,

01:10:30   why is it a bad thing to have that, right? I think start with the MacBook line. The most consumer-y

01:10:37   consumer product that Apple make in their Mac line, right?

01:10:42   and just see if people start to like it because all PCs come like this now

01:10:48   there's a reason for that like people want that whether you want it or not

01:10:52   it's fine but I think just give people the option I don't think that it is the

01:10:56   worst thing in the world to allow somebody to use text selection with

01:11:00   their finger of course it takes a lot of work right because there are a lot of

01:11:03   things that you have to accommodate for it's not as simple as just like wherever

01:11:07   I touch my finger, it's where the mouse goes.

01:11:10   That is a bad way of doing this,

01:11:13   which is why I think start to show the signs of it.

01:11:15   Start to have people think about it.

01:11:17   Start to do some work which could lay the groundwork

01:11:20   for adding some of the great stuff

01:11:21   that you've done on iOS into the Mac

01:11:24   and trying to help people bridge the gap.

01:11:26   They do this all the time.

01:11:28   There are these features that they bring to the Mac

01:11:30   because iOS has them, right,

01:11:32   to try and make these devices more cohesive.

01:11:35   And I think that touch should be the next one of those.

01:11:38   - So, I would say a couple things in response to that.

01:11:43   A, you're totally right that finger input

01:11:46   and cursor input are different,

01:11:47   and that the cursor should not move around

01:11:51   under your finger, right?

01:11:52   - No, it's terrible. - That it's a system

01:11:53   to see them and treat them differently.

01:11:55   I think a lot of Mac people hear this sort of thing,

01:12:00   and I think that was the thing about Windows,

01:12:02   where Microsoft has sort of smudged a touch OS into a desktop OS to varying levels of

01:12:12   success and I think it's getting better and better every year.

01:12:14   I think that there's a lot of powerful uses for it.

01:12:17   I also agree with you that I too fear that Apple is missing the point on this and you

01:12:28   think back to the Mac event when that first time that slide showed up of like putting

01:12:33   your hand out, touching the screen, your arm falls off, that funny quote.

01:12:38   There's merit to that, that it shouldn't be just touch, but I think the iPad Pro has proven

01:12:45   that at least on the Apple side of the fence, that that combination can work.

01:12:50   You can have a keyboard and you touch the screen when you need to and Apple is pitching

01:12:54   the iPad as the future of computing, for better or for worse, and so that is a part of it.

01:13:01   Where I think Mac fans get hung up on this is that, and people, I can already hear them

01:13:08   emailing me, "Well, Mac OS touch targets are too small, it's not really designed for touch."

01:13:14   And I think what you're saying is, you don't have to make a hybrid OS, you're not merging

01:13:18   Mac OS and iOS, maybe there would be accommodations in Mac OS to make touch a little more viable.

01:13:24   Maybe they do some trickery around the window controls

01:13:31   to make the touch targets a little bit bigger.

01:13:33   Maybe they do tweak things.

01:13:35   And I think that's fine.

01:13:37   Like, out of the three of us, I'm

01:13:39   by far the most hardcore Mac user.

01:13:41   And I'm fine with this idea, especially

01:13:44   if they do it in a way like the touch bar,

01:13:46   where it's not mandatory.

01:13:48   There's some niceties if you want it.

01:13:50   But if you don't want it, if you want

01:13:52   to keep driving with a keyboard and mouse, hey, that's fine.

01:13:54   That'll still be the primary input method.

01:13:57   And if you never want to touch your screen,

01:14:00   that's totally fine.

01:14:01   But I do think we're at a point that Apple should

01:14:04   be seriously considering it.

01:14:07   And the fact that they said-- the question was asked

01:14:10   in that Mac Pro roundtable, what are you doing with touch?

01:14:14   And the answer was just a flat no.

01:14:16   They were not doing anything.

01:14:17   That's very different than Phil Silicon went out and saying,

01:14:20   oh, voices in a canister need screens,

01:14:23   and no one has a screen, so they're doing it wrong.

01:14:25   That's Apple teasing.

01:14:27   Them just saying no flat out,

01:14:31   and their historic answer to this question being no,

01:14:35   I really don't think they're doing it,

01:14:37   and I think that they probably should be,

01:14:39   at least experimenting with it.

01:14:41   Maybe like you said, put it in the MacBook.

01:14:44   Maybe it starts as you have the MacBook,

01:14:46   and then you have devices $200 more

01:14:48   called MacBook Touch or something that does offer it,

01:14:51   and you slowly ease it in.

01:14:53   But I agree with you.

01:14:56   There are parts of this industry, some two-in-ones

01:15:00   and stuff that I think are a little bit trendy that

01:15:02   aren't going to stick around.

01:15:03   But I do think touch in a laptop is something

01:15:08   that people are going to expect and want.

01:15:10   And if every Windows notebook does it and the Mac doesn't,

01:15:13   the Mac is going to look old-fashioned in a way that's

01:15:17   not particularly good.

01:15:17   We touch our computers.

01:15:20   That's what we do today.

01:15:21   - Yes, and they touch us back.

01:15:25   So-- - They really don't.

01:15:27   - They shouldn't, they really shouldn't.

01:15:29   - So Federico, close us out on macOS.

01:15:33   - Yeah.

01:15:35   - I've never heard you more uncomfortable.

01:15:39   - Sure, I mean, you know,

01:15:41   this is gonna sound controversial

01:15:43   and my wish is that macOS doesn't take up half an hour

01:15:47   at the WWC keynote.

01:15:49   Is this okay as a wish?

01:15:51   - Wow.

01:15:51   - It is for me. - Wow.

01:15:53   - I just like Apple to focus more on iOS and watchOS

01:15:57   and even tvOS or SiriKit, whatever.

01:16:00   It's just like, I think everybody agrees

01:16:03   that Mac OS is mature enough.

01:16:05   And you know, all year we get the complaints

01:16:08   from Mac users that stuff is not working,

01:16:11   that they want reliability, they want stability,

01:16:14   they want Apple to polish things.

01:16:16   So that's fine.

01:16:17   We're gonna give you 15 minutes at the keynote

01:16:19   where we have two slides, one new feature

01:16:22   and another slide that says we made it better.

01:16:24   And it's like 200 bug fixes and we're done.

01:16:29   I just wish, you know, let's not waste 30 minutes

01:16:32   explaining PowerNap or, you know,

01:16:35   here's how you can now click on messages in Apple mail.

01:16:39   You know, we get it.

01:16:40   Like the Mac is mature, it's all grown up.

01:16:43   There's bug fixes now.

01:16:45   Let's move on to the next things that are actually quite young and they still need a lot of improvements.

01:16:51   This is my second wish.

01:16:53   I mean, people can email you directly about that.

01:16:56   But I understand what you're saying, right?

01:16:58   It goes into the Mac as a mature platform and iOS is not yet, it's getting there,

01:17:05   but it's not yet as robust and as far-reaching as the Mac and what it can do.

01:17:12   And so if Apple has two hours on stage,

01:17:14   what do you spend it on?

01:17:17   I think, and we'll move on after this,

01:17:19   but I think to a degree,

01:17:21   Apple is sort of stuck with macOS, right?

01:17:24   That if they completely burn it to the ground

01:17:25   and rebuild it, Mac users would be upset.

01:17:28   But if they do nothing, Mac users would be upset.

01:17:29   I think Mac users are just gonna be upset no matter what.

01:17:32   On one side or the other.

01:17:33   - Exactly, they seem to me like the kind of people

01:17:36   who are gonna be upset anyway.

01:17:38   So at least make them upset

01:17:40   because there's too many bug fixes, you know?

01:17:44   Like, hey, you're upset, but at least it's faster,

01:17:46   it doesn't crash anymore.

01:17:48   And, you know, here, there's also better Mac App Store,

01:17:53   you know, like Myke said.

01:17:54   - Yeah, and the focus on the Mac recently

01:17:57   has really been, you know, bringing it on par with iOS,

01:17:59   things like continuity, things like handoff,

01:18:02   and, you know, when the Mac got Siri,

01:18:06   it got it in a way that was unique and, I mean, limited,

01:18:09   but Mac-centric.

01:18:11   And if all they do with the Mac is keep it on par

01:18:14   with the rest of the ecosystem and polish it

01:18:16   and improve the system apps,

01:18:20   I think that's fine at this point in its life.

01:18:22   I'm not saying leave it alone,

01:18:23   but I'm also, I don't want them to rebuild it from scratch.

01:18:27   I don't want them to move it to ARM.

01:18:28   It's fine where it is.

01:18:29   So anyways, we should move on.

01:18:32   - All right, so let's move in to hardware.

01:18:35   and Steven has deemed that I care about hardware the most.

01:18:39   So I get the first round robin pick

01:18:42   and the first thing that I'm gonna wish for

01:18:45   is a Siri in a can, a Siri speaker.

01:18:48   I think it's well known that we love our Amazon Echos

01:18:51   on this show and I am very keen

01:18:53   to see what Apple were able to do, right?

01:18:55   So we've been talking about the Echo Show, yeah?

01:18:58   And one of the things that we were talking about

01:19:00   on that show, one of the things that YouTube

01:19:01   were very excited about was the idea

01:19:03   being able to do voice and video calling. Well, I posit that I would prefer this stuff

01:19:08   to be occurring over FaceTime rather than in Amazon's app because all of my family

01:19:13   have finally come around to understanding how FaceTime works and I am not interested

01:19:18   in teaching them how to use Amazon's app for video calling. So we now know that people

01:19:23   can use that. I would prefer to see all of this in an Apple device, right, instead. I

01:19:29   would like to see a device that by default can just mirror all of my contacts and calendars

01:19:35   and stuff without needing to feed them into somewhere else, right? Like, I'm assuming

01:19:39   that Amazon's Echo Show or Google Home with a screen or the Google Home where you can

01:19:45   connect to the Chromecast thing is not going to be able to see my iCloud calendars, which

01:19:50   I keep and share with family. But I'm pretty sure that Apple's device would be able to

01:19:56   mirror that stuff from my phone. So Apple already has all of that, which is great. And

01:20:00   also from a device like this, if I'm going to be upgrading my Echo, I want an Echo with

01:20:07   better speakers and a device that looks even nicer. And I am very confident that Apple

01:20:12   can provide me with both of those, a good looking device and a device with great speakers

01:20:17   in it. So I'm keen to see what Apple can do because if I'm going to go further, like if

01:20:22   If I'm going to upgrade from what I currently have in my home, I would like to believe that

01:20:27   Apple has the ability to do something interesting here, which is one of the reasons that I'm

01:20:32   holding off from something like the Echo Show, because I want to see what Apple can do.

01:20:36   I mean, I think that, I may agree with you that Apple could do more here.

01:20:41   My thought is that we're going to see a bunch of SiriKit stuff, and this hardware

01:20:45   is going to be next to the phone in the fall.

01:20:47   I don't think we're going to see it next week, but we'll see.

01:20:50   Okay.

01:20:50   We'll see. We'll have a fight to the death. Up for me on hardware, my wish is that Apple

01:20:59   would update some Macs. So the MacBook Adorable is definitely due. There are a lot of rumors

01:21:05   that the MacBook Pros are going to get an update, which is fast, at least over the last

01:21:10   several years of activity. But as of this morning, people are reporting that the 15-inch

01:21:15   is delayed if you order one that's not shipping until next week.

01:21:19   So my kind of guess is that they're just going to do the 15 inch, there'll be some nice config

01:21:24   and the 13 will get it in the fall, but we'll see.

01:21:26   And at least desktops.

01:21:30   I don't think I'm going to get a Mac Pro tease.

01:21:33   I know people may want that.

01:21:34   I kind of don't want it because I don't want to be having that in my brain for nine months

01:21:40   waiting for the Mac Pro to show up, so I'm fine not being teased.

01:21:45   I would like to see the iMac updated, I'd like to see the iMac Pro, but I don't think

01:21:51   we're going to see any of that.

01:21:52   But I would love to see the one port MacBook and the MacBook Pros get updated with KabyLake,

01:21:58   the new Intel chipset, possibly 32 gigs of RAM support on the MacBook Pros.

01:22:03   But we'll see where it goes.

01:22:05   I think it's due, I think it's kind of a boring wish, but I think one that I and a lot of

01:22:10   other people would appreciate.

01:22:13   Why is the MacBook adorable? The only one that we call with this nickname. Can we just

01:22:18   call it the MacBook? Otherwise, let's just call all the Macs with a nickname. Like, the

01:22:23   MacBook Pro is the MacBook Serious, the iMac is the Mac Tall, the Mac Mini is the Max Small,

01:22:30   and the Mac Pro is the Mac Never.

01:22:32   Okay.

01:22:33   Damn.

01:22:34   Oh, God. Well, I think it's because the MacBook is the least efficient of naming, because

01:22:40   MacBook is also...

01:22:41   No, it's called the MacBook.

01:22:42   No, no, but it's also a grouping of all of the laptops, right?

01:22:45   Air Pro and the 12 inch, but also the, uh, the MacBook Pro with the bar, like

01:22:53   the, the, the, the actual keys that tends to be given a name like MacBook escape

01:22:57   because some of the names are problematic.

01:23:00   That is a terrible name.

01:23:01   They are problematic namings.

01:23:03   It's pretty bad.

01:23:05   My wish is that Apple gets Mac naming, right?

01:23:10   You know, or maybe, you know, this kind of speaks to the Mac people.

01:23:15   They don't know what else to do. They just come up with new...

01:23:17   Federico, go for your pick. Just, just please.

01:23:21   Yes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

01:23:23   My pick is a new iPad Pro.

01:23:26   You know, I think it's been a while since we last got any major refresh to the iPad Pro line.

01:23:33   I mean, the original iPad Pro came out in November 2015.

01:23:38   and there's been rumors of these smaller than the 12.9 but bigger than the 9.7 iPad Pro in the works

01:23:46   that initially the rumor said it's gonna have an edge-to-edge display, now it seems like it's just gonna have

01:23:52   thinner bezels but no bezel-less design.

01:23:56   And in this iPad Pro I would love to get faster Touch ID and more power.

01:24:03   And I think more power is always going to be needed because I would love to get more

01:24:08   pro apps by Apple on iOS 11 and forward.

01:24:12   I would love Apple to set an example and to bring more apps, whether it's from Apple,

01:24:17   stuff like Logic and Final Cut, or just Apple trying to work with third-party developers

01:24:22   to convince, for example, Adobe to bring Photoshop and Illustrator to iOS.

01:24:26   In some way, pay them a lot of money, I don't care.

01:24:28   Just bring Photoshop and Illustrator to the iPad Pro.

01:24:31   So we need more power, faster touch ID, and I would love to get some other niceties such

01:24:37   as for example, True Tone Display everywhere, and so this will require also an update to

01:24:43   the 12.9 because I think it's gonna stick around for people who love the option of a

01:24:47   bigger iPad, and even louder speakers, so we currently have the four speaker system,

01:24:52   I would love those speakers to be even louder, and finally more battery.

01:24:56   And I know that 10 hours is probably enough.

01:24:59   I would also get 15 hours.

01:25:02   Why not?

01:25:03   I don't want to charge my iPad overnight.

01:25:05   I want to charge it in the morning.

01:25:07   And I think nobody ever dislikes more battery.

01:25:11   It's like RAM.

01:25:12   The more you have, the better.

01:25:13   So why not?

01:25:14   Right.

01:25:15   Universally loved.

01:25:16   Yeah, the 10 hour thing, that jumped out at me in your notes.

01:25:19   Every iPad ever has been 10 hours.

01:25:21   And with the 12.9, you could understand why they, even though there's more room, battery

01:25:26   heavy and that device is already pretty heavy relative to other iPads so you

01:25:32   could see why they wanted to kind of cap it but this 10.5 I think they have an

01:25:36   opportunity to push it further and I would yeah I'd like to see it I think

01:25:39   it'd be I think it'd be nice it seems like a no-brainer for you to get a bunch

01:25:44   of iOS stuff that a new iPad could be there to show it off so fingers crossed

01:25:48   I'm with you guys I'd like it I'd like to see a 10.5 inch I have complained a

01:25:52   couple times that I would like an iPad in between the two sizes and so this would be

01:25:58   a device for me I think if it's real.

01:26:01   Along with Federico's iPad Pro I would like to see revised iPad Pro accessories so I would

01:26:07   like to see a new Apple Pencil and a new keyboard cover/case so with the Apple Pencil I would

01:26:13   like to see maybe like a button, like a function button added which you could have, you could

01:26:20   could assign different actions to it based on application or it could be a way to do

01:26:25   some stuff with the system but like for example you could press this button and change to

01:26:29   a different tool or press this button and then use an eraser in a drawing application.

01:26:33   I would like to see better battery life and like a better way to handle that if you keep

01:26:39   the Apple pencil close to the iPad that the battery doesn't drain because that seems to

01:26:42   drain it quicker so I'd like to see something there and also you know from a design perspective

01:26:47   I would really like it to not be a perfect cylinder so it doesn't roll. I would like

01:26:51   it to have a flat edge to it or something that stops it from rolling. Maybe a clip or

01:26:56   a roll stop or something like that. In regards to the keyboard, as well as a new smart keyboard

01:27:05   cover that has a function row, I would like to see Apple take a crack at making their

01:27:10   on

01:27:29   very best. Like I've had a piece of the plastic break off recently on the case part.

01:27:33   I'm like, shouldn't do that. That shouldn't happen. And I think I would like to see Apple

01:27:39   give it a crack too.

01:27:40   Yeah, so this is my last wish and it is that Apple would release a updated Bluetooth keyboard

01:27:49   for the Mac. It's kind of a line that you're saying with the touch bar. And maybe the new

01:27:54   switches you know people seem to really dislike the new keyboard on the MacBook

01:27:59   Pros I don't mind it I kind of wish the MacBook Pro and my Mac keyboard were the

01:28:02   same I don't like the different but touch bar and touch ID in particular

01:28:08   support for other Macs and so whether it's Bluetooth keyboard or even you

01:28:15   know something like the MacBook with no nickname having that pick up at least

01:28:20   touch ID or touch bar somehow just spreading the technology around I think

01:28:24   I think it would be great. The touch bar being isolated on the most expensive

01:28:27   MacBook Pros has limited its adoption and there's no way to do it on a desktop

01:28:32   at this point so I think a new external keyboard or a new keyboard on the

01:28:37   MacBook would be swell so that's that's my last that's my last hardware pick.

01:28:43   My last pick is kinda hardware related and this is gonna sound silly but I would

01:28:49   love Apple to make new lightning cables because the current ones suck and they

01:28:54   break all the time and I shouldn't have to rely on a third party like Anker for

01:28:59   example to make decent quality lightning cables. It just feels like Apple makes

01:29:04   the basic, cheap, actually the cheapest lightning cables around. The top, you

01:29:12   know, where the connection between the connector and the cable occurs

01:29:17   breaks all the time, I haven't found a single person who doesn't have issues

01:29:23   with their lining cables and I just wish that Apple made them of a different

01:29:27   material or that they made them more durable or whatever, just make new cables

01:29:31   so I don't have to go on Amazon and give my money to someone else to make a

01:29:37   decent cable. I mean I love my Anker stuff and I'm probably, you know, I don't

01:29:41   see Apple making nylon braided or you know cables with whatever it is that

01:29:46   Enker puts inside their versions, but I would love the default option to be stronger, more

01:29:53   durable, and maybe while you're at it even longer cable.

01:29:57   That would be nice.

01:29:58   Just make the basic cable in the box better and more durable so it doesn't look gross

01:30:06   and broken in two years.

01:30:08   I like that.

01:30:09   I like that your pick is the most basic accessory.

01:30:13   It's pretty good.

01:30:14   So let's move into other.

01:30:16   My first is shared iCloud photo libraries.

01:30:19   I wrote a blog post about this last week.

01:30:20   You should go read kind of two ways I think they could do it.

01:30:24   Google Photos is killing Apple in this space.

01:30:27   Photos last year got a really nice update,

01:30:29   but it feels like there's a lot of stuff undone.

01:30:31   And sharing is a big category there, I think,

01:30:35   that Apple could do better in.

01:30:37   And not necessarily just in family iCloud accounts.

01:30:39   I could see them putting those two together,

01:30:41   which means my wife and I would finally have

01:30:43   accounts with each other, but a way to share iCloud photo libraries with friends and family

01:30:49   that's reliable and more expansive would be a huge win for me and really anyone I think who,

01:30:56   you know, you have overlapping photos with a spouse or significant other or something,

01:31:00   it gets messy and I think Apple has the know-how to fix it and I think they should. So I'll defer

01:31:06   to the blog post though for details, but that would be a big win for me. I saw other as like

01:31:13   like complete wish list.

01:31:15   - That's fine.

01:31:17   - Just pure, like I never think this is gonna happen

01:31:20   but would love it if it did anyway.

01:31:23   I would really like to see Apple create

01:31:25   an ergonomic keyboard for the Mac.

01:31:28   Like I use the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard,

01:31:31   the old one, not the new one.

01:31:33   Apparently the person that I trust on this keyboard,

01:31:36   which is Marco 'cause I got this keyboard

01:31:39   on his recommendation in the first place

01:31:41   'cause I was having some RSI trouble,

01:31:43   He says that the new one isn't as good as the current one so he's bought a bunch of

01:31:46   the old ones.

01:31:47   So I tell you why I want an Apple version of this.

01:31:50   I hate that I have to use this little USB receiver thing because it just feels like

01:31:55   a pointless waste of a USB port to put this little thing into my computer so I can use

01:32:01   my keyboard.

01:32:02   It should be Bluetooth.

01:32:04   I hate that I have Windows logos on my keyboard and that I have to remap keys.

01:32:10   It's really annoying.

01:32:12   It's very frustrating, I hate that.

01:32:14   Really, I wanna see Apple's take

01:32:17   on them making a great ergonomic keyboard

01:32:19   that is designed to combat RSI issues.

01:32:23   Like this keyboard, this keyboard,

01:32:24   whether it does or doesn't for a lot of people,

01:32:26   like I think it does, I think that's why

01:32:27   Microsoft continues to make this product,

01:32:29   they have designed something with this in mind, right?

01:32:31   Like how do we make it more comfortable

01:32:33   for people that are typing over long periods of time?

01:32:35   And I would like to see Apple take a crack at that as well.

01:32:40   I have one I can send you. There will be a link in the show notes to a Wikipedia article.

01:32:44   In 1993, Apple introduced the Apple Adjustable Keyboard.

01:32:50   And it like splits apart and you can use an adapter with it to make it work on current hardware.

01:32:57   And I've got one, so I'll just bring it to San Jose and you can give it a try.

01:33:00   You can buy one for 50 euros on eBay.

01:33:03   Done.

01:33:04   I don't think I want this keyboard.

01:33:06   Well it's 40 to ship it to Europe.

01:33:08   I really don't. I mean, okay, I want the 2017 version of this, not this version of this.

01:33:17   Don't you know, Myke, that the switches on these keyboards were the best?

01:33:22   - They're pretty good. - Yeah, see? I totally improvised.

01:33:28   And it is like 2017 because the escape button is not where you expect it to be.

01:33:32   the tilde button is double wide and next to the one and there the escape button is a little pill

01:33:40   sized button off to the side offset from the entire keyboard so it really is like 2017.

01:33:45   You cannot win this argument Myke.

01:33:46   Oh god here's another serious reason I want this that I don't want this keyboard is that

01:33:51   it is in US layout and I have a scope keyboard in a UK layout.

01:33:55   I'm sure we can just swap some things around.

01:33:59   No, because like physically key sizes and shapes are different.

01:34:03   That's fine.

01:34:04   Real English is the US one anyway, so...

01:34:07   Yeah.

01:34:07   You know?

01:34:08   Yeah. Deal with it.

01:34:09   For everyone that I would expect this from, I would not have expected this from you, Federico.

01:34:15   I'm just having fun trolling you.

01:34:16   My... not so unrealistic...

01:34:23   You know, it's not too crazy to me.

01:34:27   pick is the idea of an even deeper and more open iMessage framework for developers to make iMessage

01:34:36   apps. And I know that we like to make fun of stickers, well I actually don't, I use stickers a lot

01:34:41   and I spend way too much money on stickers, but I think a lot of people tend to make fun of the

01:34:45   useless iMessage apps, of which there are plenty on the App Store. But I also think it is convenient

01:34:53   to have these interfaces in iMessage. It's just that the way that it's currently done, mainly

01:34:59   with the iMessage app picker and the just the general UI of accessing apps is terrible, but the

01:35:06   idea of having these richer messages where you can interact with those is a good one. And I think we,

01:35:14   you know, there's an article on Mac stories today that we did about the going beyond stickers and

01:35:19   trying some of the more useful iMessage apps. And I believe Apple should find a way to make it more

01:35:26   convenient for people to send these richer messages made by iMessage apps. I don't know if Apple wants

01:35:34   to do something like Android where there's stuff like Instant Apps so you can preview the

01:35:40   contents of an app without having the actual app installed. I don't know if Apple wants to do this

01:35:44   but it's just I would like to have an easy way to share for example a

01:35:49   Dropbox message card with someone else who doesn't have Dropbox without having to teach that person now go to the App Store and download

01:35:56   Dropbox and make sure that the iMessage toggle is turned on, you know, it's a lot of steps

01:36:01   So there should be an easier way to get going with iMessage apps

01:36:05   And also there should be an easy way to separate stickers and apps

01:36:08   I could go deeper and say there should be a way to search stickers for specific expressions.

01:36:15   Apple has a whole support for accessibility in iMessage stickers.

01:36:21   Developers can add labels. For example, for visually impaired users you can say "Happy face" and "Sad face" to label your stickers.

01:36:30   Why not use those labels to let users search for stickers that belong to the same category?

01:36:37   I can tell you one way that that would be terrible if you were trying to search for the relay FM stickers

01:36:42   Because they are labeled but they are labeled so voiceover will pronounce them correctly

01:36:48   So some of the spelling is hilarious like trying to get voiceover to say

01:36:53   tichi

01:36:55   That was that was a lot of fun. That was that was a great afternoon genuinely

01:37:00   I had a great afternoon trying to trick voiceover to say things the way that I wanted

01:37:04   Yeah, that seems like a sort of an edge case

01:37:07   I would love everybody to search for "teaching" their iMessage, but it doesn't seem like something

01:37:15   that would occur often.

01:37:17   Anyway, I would just love a way to better separate the two types of apps that developers

01:37:23   can make.

01:37:25   I still don't understand why the digital touch has to be in there as a shortcut.

01:37:32   In a premiere spot next to the Compose box there's Digital Touch, which Steven to this

01:37:39   day I should say continues to send sarcastically, ironically, I don't know, but Steven seems

01:37:45   to be obsessed with Digital Touch and every couple of weeks he sends the same message

01:37:50   which is "Why is this thing still here with Digital Touch?" or some variation of that.

01:37:56   So either Steven really likes Digital Touch or is the expression of all of us, which is

01:38:04   why is this feature still here?

01:38:07   Nobody cares in a serious manner about Digital Touch on the iPhone and the iPad.

01:38:13   Is it on the iPad?

01:38:14   I think it's on the iPad and it's probably ridiculous in terms of design.

01:38:18   So let me pin my favorite sticker pack or let me have easier access to my favorite iMessage

01:38:26   I think Facebook Messenger does this in a better way than Apple.

01:38:31   So I think there's still potential for iMessage and for these richer conversations, like these

01:38:38   interfaces that you can collaborate on, that you can preview documents and links and whatever.

01:38:43   It's just the way that you initiate these apps and that you manage these apps is awful.

01:38:48   So improve the basics and then maybe open up the framework even more.

01:38:53   In case you're wondering the sticker in question is the fatigue you see it of quality and the teachy is spelt vit

01:38:59   eechi

01:39:02   That doesn't make any sense that it wouldn't say other words man. There is no might that is not my name

01:39:07   It's not my well

01:39:08   Then you need to to file a radar because voiceover does not like to say your name

01:39:12   I would want it to be file a radar for life file a radar to my parents to the voiceover team

01:39:18   There you go. You get them to change the pronunciation of a tiki

01:39:22   Okay, sure. I'm filing a radar right now, Myke.

01:39:25   Good luck with that.

01:39:28   Mine is about continuity.

01:39:33   And it's one of those things, like Federica, like you were talking about a minute ago, like polish and make the experience better.

01:39:39   Continuity features should be more reliable.

01:39:42   I'm mostly looking at universal clipboard, which is hugely hit or miss for me.

01:39:48   And I use it every day.

01:39:50   So I have this workflow where I post,

01:39:51   I'm posting a photo a day this year as an art project.

01:39:54   And I write my caption in the photos app on the Mac.

01:39:58   And then I copy it and I want to paste it into Instagram

01:40:01   where I'm posting the photos.

01:40:03   And like, it works three times out of 10.

01:40:07   And it's not that, you know, there's a timeout.

01:40:09   It's not that I'm out of the timeout.

01:40:10   It's not that I'm on a different network.

01:40:12   I'm at my iMac and I pick up my iPhone,

01:40:14   which is like right next to like inches away from it.

01:40:17   If they can't make it reliable, maybe they should just give you an option to turn the

01:40:21   stuff off.

01:40:23   In Mac OS, if you go into System Preferences in general, you can turn off all Handoff and

01:40:27   Continuity features, but you can't turn them off one by one.

01:40:32   And maybe some more dynamic control would be nice here.

01:40:36   Even if it doesn't work for you, maybe you can't use your inverse clipboard because of

01:40:39   security issue at work, but you want to use the rest of it.

01:40:43   This stuff is all kind of a black box right now between all of your devices and I think

01:40:47   Apple should open that up a little bit and give you as a user options on how it behaves

01:40:52   because not everything works for everybody all the time.

01:40:55   Alright, so I also want to see the beginning of seeing Apple start to embrace AR or VR

01:41:01   in a meaningful way.

01:41:02   I think that these are both different experiences but can both be fun and rewarding, whether

01:41:07   it be through games and entertainment or information.

01:41:11   I want to see Apple start to get on board with this and see what they can bring to the

01:41:14   table to see like, you know, what can AR be.

01:41:17   I really would like them to get into VR as well in some way to help legitimize the medium

01:41:22   even further.

01:41:23   You know, this is this is a typical thing, right?

01:41:25   Because Apple is not only the biggest technology company, but like the basically the biggest

01:41:28   company on the planet.

01:41:30   When they move into a space that legitimizes it for everybody else and it helps to like

01:41:37   encourage further advancement and development by them and by other people when Apple start to really get into something and I think AR and VR would be a great starting point for what could potentially be some of the future aspects of technology.

01:41:52   So I would really, really like to see Apple start to show their hand here this year would be fantastic.

01:42:00   My last wish is about Apple Maps.

01:42:06   And about Apple not saying copying Google, but taking a similar approach.

01:42:12   I think Google is doing some really great stuff with Google Maps in terms of aggregating crowd sources data

01:42:20   above places to bring you information that is actually useful and actionable.

01:42:25   and I'm referring to the couple of features really. Now for a store or any

01:42:33   other public address you can have this little info box on Google Maps

01:42:40   it's called the Busy Times feature and it shows you during the average weekday

01:42:46   how busy a place is gonna be. I found that to be so useful as a

01:42:52   as a reference, if I know I need to go to the Apple Store, and I can just quickly look

01:42:58   it up on Google Maps, and it shows me, well, maybe if you go between 10am and 11am on a

01:43:04   Thursday, it's not gonna be so crazy as 2pm on a Saturday.

01:43:08   And yes, I could have guessed that, but it's nice to have a confirmation from Google Maps.

01:43:13   And also the new areas of interest, which, you know, especially if you're in a new city,

01:43:18   For example, you get these colored blocks in the map view to show you where people tend

01:43:25   to spend their time.

01:43:28   I assume with Google Maps open or running in the background.

01:43:32   And when I was visiting Barcelona a few months ago, that was useful to understand and to

01:43:38   have again a visual confirmation of "yes, this is a landmark, this is a place where

01:43:42   people go see and go hang out so maybe I should go there too. And finally Google

01:43:50   is now using this and I know that we're gonna get the arguments of people "I don't

01:43:54   want Google to know my information" and I mean I've made my point clear and Myke

01:43:59   also has and Stephen has too. That is fine if you don't want Google to know your

01:44:04   stuff and to see your photos and whatever but personally I do love the

01:44:10   personal timeline feature of Google Maps, which I recently received in my account,

01:44:19   I guess. So now on Google Maps I get this timeline view where I can see... it's kind

01:44:25   of like the Moves app which is owned by Facebook. It shows me all the places that

01:44:30   I've been to, but unlike Moves the information about places is more accurate,

01:44:36   So it gets the names of the stores and the shops that I go to write, it gets the street addresses more...

01:44:43   I think they're more correct than moves, there's less manual management going on.

01:44:49   But what I love is that it combines the places with Google Photos.

01:44:53   So on the same timeline I can see where I've been to and which photos I've taken, at the same time and the same location.

01:45:00   And it's basically this automated log of my life that I can view in a single place in an app that is with my phone,

01:45:07   that is always with me. And I just love that. And I would love Apple to do the same in a more private, you know,

01:45:12   privacy conscious way maybe. But it's all information that Apple has, maybe even in a better way because I am an iPhone user and Apple Maps and

01:45:21   photos have higher privileges than Google Maps and Google Photos.

01:45:26   In general, I think I would love Apple to use crowdsources data more whether it's about

01:45:32   Telling me when I should go to a place to a store or

01:45:38   like

01:45:40   you know how like more practical advice when I'm using Apple Maps instead of just being a

01:45:47   really

01:45:49   visualization visualization of places around me also

01:45:53   becoming a smart

01:45:56   persistent for travel, for transit, for turn-by-turn directions, just being smarter as

01:46:03   Google if possible and if not as smart as Google

01:46:08   maybe just try to be not just pretty but also intelligent in the places that you show me, the suggestions that you give me.

01:46:17   Because right now I feel like Apple Maps is pretty to look at

01:46:20   but it's not as intelligent as Google and I would like Apple to change that.

01:46:24   that.

01:46:25   Yeah, it's like, you know, irrespective of whether it gets your location correct, irrespective

01:46:32   of whether it has your points of interest, some of the things that Federico is talking

01:46:36   about, which is things that I absolutely love about Maps as well, I mean, these are advancements

01:46:40   that are continuing from Google that we're not currently seeing from Apple, right? Like

01:46:47   stuff like the Busy Times thing, which is awesome. I love it. Like we use it a lot when

01:46:53   We're trying to decide somewhere to eat right?

01:46:55   So like we're going to a place and we want to try and decide between a few restaurants

01:47:00   Well, we could see that this one's typically pretty busy at this time. So maybe we try a different one

01:47:04   Yeah, I think it's really really great big fan big fan

01:47:08   so like it's very pretty right like I'm poking around right now and you know, like the 3d view with the

01:47:13   Maps information on so like you're actually zooming in on what looks like a real little model set of buildings, right?

01:47:21   like it's very beautiful but maybe there should be a little more functionality there, a little

01:47:27   more change in functionality might be more helpful in the aggregate over time.

01:47:33   All right so that is it. That is our barometer of happiness for the keynote so you'll be

01:47:40   able to know next week having listened to all of this how happy the three of us will

01:47:44   be. If you're going to be in San Jose, come up and talk to us and tell us and try and

01:47:50   guess how happy you think we're going to be by coming over and saying hello, telling us

01:47:55   what makes you happy. That's what we're all about on the Connected Podcast. We'll see

01:47:59   you at our meetup if you're going to be there. We'll see you at the AppCamp event if you're

01:48:04   going to be there and/or maybe in the street. Come over and say hello if you see any of

01:48:10   the three of us. We'd be more than happy to say hi and exchange some of the things that

01:48:15   we are excited about from the week. If you want to find our show notes for this week,

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01:48:43   am y ke there we go everyone this is the last episode before WWDC and before the

01:48:51   real fun begins so until then say goodbye everybody

01:48:54   are you there to keep adios