Connected

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00:00:06 ◼   ► From Relay FM and live from Memphis, Tennessee, this is Connected episode 104.

00:00:13 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, FreshBooks, and Pingdom.

00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined across the table by a man whose voice is not joining me,

00:00:22 ◼   ► but he's here, Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Hey Myke, how are you?

00:00:27 ◼   ► I'm very good, how are you? You sound so healthy today.

00:00:30 ◼   ► I have laryngitis, and so this is better than it was on Monday when I got here.

00:00:34 ◼   ► I can only whisper, so I'm improving, but it's still pretty bad.

00:00:38 ◼   ► Yeah, this is a good idea that we run the show a little bit later on this week,

00:00:42 ◼   ► because earlier this week there would have been no show. It would have just been me monologuing

00:00:45 ◼   ► 90 minutes.

00:00:46 ◼   ► We were talking about, is it a connected when it's only one host? Because connected can happen

00:00:53 ◼   ► if any two of us are available. But if it's you and somebody else, it's a different podcast.

00:00:59 ◼   ► We joked about just splitting upgrade in half, like recording for two hours, splitting it

00:01:03 ◼   ► in half and putting them both out. But I'm glad we're here because today, August 18th,

00:01:08 ◼   ► is the second anniversary/birthday of our company, Real AFM. So congratulations to you.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Congratulations to you.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Oh, thank you so much. So kind. And Google has helped us. They have helped us celebrate

00:01:20 ◼   ► today by allowing us to use Google Docs again because we can now ask the question and get

00:01:26 ◼   ► the answer we need. Is Google Docs updated for split screen on iOS 9?

00:01:30 ◼   ► It is. So we went back into this document yesterday to prepare our notes and the last

00:01:36 ◼   ► time we were in here was episode 77.

00:01:39 ◼   ► And we're now 104. So we have stayed away for a while and we are back and I've got to

00:01:44 ◼   ► say like I know it's taken them a long time. I'm still really annoyed about it but I'm

00:01:48 ◼   ► already more productive on my iPad because I can use Sheets and Docs split

00:01:53 ◼   ► screen especially Sheets because I'd found things and we'd found things to

00:01:57 ◼   ► replace Docs in some cases we're talking about paper last week we spoke about

00:02:00 ◼   ► Quip in the past and there was even a chance that I was just gonna start using

00:02:04 ◼   ► collaborative Apple Notes at some point yeah so we'd found things to replace

00:02:09 ◼   ► that but the stuff that we use Google Sheets for like spreadsheet

00:02:12 ◼   ► collaboration there's nothing else no anything that there is it's trying to be

00:02:17 ◼   ► something else like Airtable which is really great for what Airtable does but

00:02:21 ◼   ► Airtable is more of a database than a spreadsheet and we just needed stuff

00:02:26 ◼   ► that we could keep running totals and lists of things that could be calculated

00:02:29 ◼   ► and there was really nothing else that could do it as well so Google Sheets is

00:02:34 ◼   ► now updated and it makes me super happy. Me too. I'm already honestly like

00:02:38 ◼   ► within a day I was more productive like putting this document together

00:02:42 ◼   ► together today, we have an IFTTT action that searches hashtags. So we were using the RelayQA

00:02:48 ◼   ► hashtags later on in the show today. We're going to be doing some question and answer

00:02:51 ◼   ► about RelayFM because of our anniversary birthday. And I was able to have sheets on one side,

00:02:58 ◼   ► docs on the other, and just very quickly copy and paste them. When I do that for like upgrade,

00:03:03 ◼   ► because we do the Ask upgrade every week, but we use that action as well. It searches

00:03:06 ◼   ► day fttt puts them into a sheet. I'm copying them, alt tabbing, pasting, alt tabbing, copying.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Like, it was just frustrating. It doesn't take that much longer to do, but it's just

00:03:18 ◼   ► frustrating. And you do it several times a week. Yeah. So I'm just really happy that

00:03:23 ◼   ► we got it now so we can finally go back to it. Agreed. It's good news, it took a long

00:03:29 ◼   ► time, but I gotta hand it to them. It works pretty well. There's no, at least I haven't

00:03:33 ◼   ► seen maybe you have any weirdness like some apps kind of get like Instapaper

00:03:37 ◼   ► does this where if you like change the width the text doesn't reflow correctly

00:03:40 ◼   ► and is that they seem to have gotten it right. I feel like I know why it's taking

00:03:44 ◼   ► them as long as it has because they're using some custom UI and some custom

00:03:47 ◼   ► engine to do a lot of this stuff. Yeah no doubt. But I still don't forgive the

00:03:51 ◼   ► fact that it's taking them a year to do it because it's Google it's they're one

00:03:56 ◼   ► of the biggest companies in the world. You got people. They should have been able to

00:03:59 ◼   ► put the engineering effort into this but it's back again and at least iOS 10

00:04:04 ◼   ► doesn't bring any features yet which are like this important right like

00:04:09 ◼   ► fundamentally so hooray I want to provide a correction some follow-up

00:04:14 ◼   ► about logitech case I got the weights wrong the logitech case is 0.9 pounds

00:04:21 ◼   ► not 1.5 pounds so it's a big difference this actually brings it into slightly

00:04:27 ◼   ► under the weight of the MacBook when you put Logitech create 9.7 with the iPad

00:04:33 ◼   ► Pro so it makes it just under. I still have it and I would like it to be. I don't

00:04:38 ◼   ► know why I got these weight weights wrong I actually think the Logitech

00:04:41 ◼   ► website wasn't updated correctly because I copied and pasted the information so

00:04:47 ◼   ► I think it's that they actually put the weight of the bigger one. I think

00:04:51 ◼   ► probably so um and it is bulky so I've been I've been using a little bit on

00:04:55 ◼   ► your iPad it definitely adds more weight and thickness to the iPad than I want initially

00:05:01 ◼   ► but it's not as bad as I was afraid it would be because that 12.9 one is so bulky. They're

00:05:08 ◼   ► doing a good job at it. It is no bigger than it really needs to be and the keyboard is

00:05:15 ◼   ► just amazing.

00:05:17 ◼   ► So it's bulkier, it's heavier, the springboard crashes were fixed after an iOS beta update?

00:05:22 ◼   ► Yes.

00:05:23 ◼   ► I actually think that Apple fixed the bug affecting this keyboard.

00:05:26 ◼   ► So, well it was on the smart keyboard as well.

00:05:29 ◼   ► So anything over the smart connector seemed to make Springboard need to take a little

00:05:34 ◼   ► nap.

00:05:35 ◼   ► But I'm keeping it.

00:05:38 ◼   ► And I'm keeping my iPad in it all the time because I love this keyboard so much.

00:05:43 ◼   ► I brought it with me on this trip, decided to give it a real good go.

00:05:46 ◼   ► And the weight is a trade off.

00:05:48 ◼   ► is less convenient and less portable because of this,

00:05:53 ◼   ► but the keyboard is so fantastic

00:05:55 ◼   ► and the backlighting I absolutely love.

00:05:58 ◼   ► So I'm gonna keep it.

00:05:59 ◼   ► So on the plane I was reading

00:06:01 ◼   ► and I just popped it out of the case

00:06:02 ◼   ► and just put the case down

00:06:04 ◼   ► and was just holding the iPad in my hands and it was fine.

00:06:07 ◼   ► I've been watching video by having it just like

00:06:10 ◼   ► in the keyboard orientation

00:06:11 ◼   ► and just having it on my lap watching video.

00:06:13 ◼   ► The thing is way more stable when on my lap,

00:06:16 ◼   ► which is really good.

00:06:17 ◼   ► and the keyboard is a joy to use

00:06:20 ◼   ► and I love all of the functions keys.

00:06:22 ◼   ► I love that I have brightness.

00:06:23 ◼   ► I love that I have volume controls

00:06:25 ◼   ► and all that stuff just on there.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Yeah, I really love it.

00:06:29 ◼   ► But whilst we're on keyboards,

00:06:30 ◼   ► I actually have one more keyboard thing to talk about.

00:06:33 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:06:34 ◼   ► - Which is the Razer mechanical keyboard.

00:06:35 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:06:36 ◼   ► - So we spoke about this weeks ago.

00:06:37 ◼   ► - Correct.

00:06:38 ◼   ► - Austin Evans, the YouTuber whose video

00:06:40 ◼   ► we linked to previously,

00:06:41 ◼   ► he sent me his, 'cause he didn't want it.

00:06:44 ◼   ► And he heard us talk about it

00:06:46 ◼   ► and he decided to send it to me, and I hate it so much.

00:06:49 ◼   ► I hate this product.

00:06:50 ◼   ► I have no other way to say it, it's huge.

00:06:52 ◼   ► Everything's way too big,

00:06:54 ◼   ► 'cause it's like a huge laptop.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Like it feels bigger than like a 13 inch MacBook Pro

00:07:00 ◼   ► for some reason, like it's just huge.

00:07:02 ◼   ► I can't comfortably use it on my lap

00:07:04 ◼   ► because you have the big base of the keyboard

00:07:07 ◼   ► and then like the stand comes off the end,

00:07:09 ◼   ► so when I put it on my lap,

00:07:10 ◼   ► the stand is hanging over my knees, which is not good.

00:07:14 ◼   ► you need so much space for it.

00:07:16 ◼   ► I think the keys are horrible.

00:07:18 ◼   ► I don't know if maybe I don't know what mechanical keys

00:07:21 ◼   ► are supposed to feel like, but these feel spongy to me.

00:07:25 ◼   ► - My guess is that they set out to make

00:07:29 ◼   ► the world's thinnest mechanical keyboard in name

00:07:32 ◼   ► and maybe it's so thin you're not getting a lot of

00:07:34 ◼   ► the benefits of an actual mechanical keyboard,

00:07:36 ◼   ► like what Jason types on.

00:07:37 ◼   ► You got springs and buckles and metal.

00:07:40 ◼   ► And this thing seems to be trading some of that away.

00:07:44 ◼   ► I haven't typed on it, you didn't bring it.

00:07:46 ◼   ► No.

00:07:47 ◼   ► You would need another suitcase to bring it.

00:07:49 ◼   ► It sounds like it's so big.

00:07:51 ◼   ► But yeah, it seems like maybe it's just not for everyone.

00:07:54 ◼   ► But the Logitech that you like was a big hit on the Verge.

00:07:58 ◼   ► Walt Mossberg really seems to like it.

00:08:00 ◼   ► It's getting good reviews elsewhere.

00:08:01 ◼   ► So it seems like if you don't want this smart keyboard, which

00:08:05 ◼   ► is polarizing to a degree, right?

00:08:07 ◼   ► It's using those stainless steel dome caps.

00:08:10 ◼   ► It's covering the fabric.

00:08:11 ◼   ► It's kind of weird.

00:08:12 ◼   ► if that's a little too far away from what you want,

00:08:14 ◼   ► it really sounds like the Logitech

00:08:16 ◼   ► is the way to go at this point.

00:08:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I completely agree.

00:08:18 ◼   ► Like, this Razer One is crazy.

00:08:22 ◼   ► And I know there are different products,

00:08:23 ◼   ► different devices, but I think that probably

00:08:26 ◼   ► even the Logitech Create for 12.9 will be better.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Like, I even felt like the keys don't feel even.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Like, when I press them, they seem to like,

00:08:34 ◼   ► move down one side more than the other.

00:08:36 ◼   ► - I'm sure that's fine.

00:08:37 ◼   ► - And the stand that's on the back, the little kickstand,

00:08:40 ◼   ► It doesn't sit flush to the case.

00:08:42 ◼   ► It like is angled off the case, which is just terrible.

00:08:45 ◼   ► The open keyboard button is where

00:08:46 ◼   ► the right arrow key should be.

00:08:48 ◼   ► So every time I press the right key,

00:08:49 ◼   ► what I think is gonna be the right keyboard button,

00:08:50 ◼   ► the software keyboard pops up.

00:08:52 ◼   ► Everything is terrible about this product.

00:08:54 ◼   ► I hate it.

00:08:55 ◼   ► So, but thanks Austin for sending me it.

00:08:58 ◼   ► Now I don't know what to do with it.

00:09:00 ◼   ► So up next today, let's address a question from Max.

00:09:05 ◼   ► So Max wrote in and said,

00:09:07 ◼   ► "I wonder how do you store important private documents

00:09:09 ◼   ► like bank statements on your iPads and iOS devices. On my Mac I use an encrypted disk

00:09:14 ◼   ► image but I would like to move to a more mobile maybe iCloud based approach. Stephen what

00:09:19 ◼   ► do you do? So I really have two levels. The stuff that I just need to reference. I actually

00:09:26 ◼   ► save in 1Password. So 1Password you can save documents within your encrypted 1Password volume

00:09:32 ◼   ► if you will. Now where that breaks down is that that's not a document provider. So things

00:09:37 ◼   ► that have in there, like take example, I have PDFs of the wills that my wife and I have.

00:09:42 ◼   ► That's not a document that I'm ever editing, right? I need it as reference at some point.

00:09:46 ◼   ► I need to know that it's secure, but it's not a, what I would call like a living document,

00:09:50 ◼   ► I'm not going in and out of it. Everything else lives on Dropbox. Now I do have two-factor

00:09:55 ◼   ► authentication turned on for Dropbox. So you need my password, which is a one password,

00:10:01 ◼   ► generated password, and you need my phone. It's not completely bulletproof, right? And

00:10:06 ◼   ► you really need super sensitive information maybe that's not enough but

00:10:11 ◼   ► I feel like for me it is. So I don't know maybe Max's stuff is more sensitive

00:10:18 ◼   ► than mine is and he's not willing to use Dropbox or iCloud like that. As far as I

00:10:22 ◼   ► know and if the listeners know something please get in touch because we want to help Max

00:10:26 ◼   ► out. As far as I know from looking around there's not really anything on iOS like

00:10:32 ◼   ► what he's doing on the Mac. We have an encrypted disk image that you once you

00:10:36 ◼   ► reject the volume it's just a bundle and no one can get into it so I don't really

00:10:40 ◼   ► know the answer but for me one password for like static storage of you know like

00:10:45 ◼   ► I have scans of our passports in there that sort of stuff and then Dropbox with

00:10:49 ◼   ► with two-factor authentication feels like enough for me at least I don't do

00:10:54 ◼   ► anything like this like I either keep stuff in Dropbox which is secured by my

00:10:58 ◼   ► thumbprint and I mean on iOS like a four digit passcode which is amazing yeah or

00:11:05 ◼   ► or it's being saved in 1Password.

00:11:08 ◼   ► But outside of that, I don't really have anything special

00:11:12 ◼   ► that I'm doing.

00:11:14 ◼   ► But to be honest, I don't really keep a lot of that type

00:11:18 ◼   ► of stuff on anything.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Sure.

00:11:23 ◼   ► My bank statements are held up my bank.

00:11:27 ◼   ► Yeah, so you're not downloading a lot of that locally

00:11:30 ◼   ► to carry around.

00:11:30 ◼   ► I mean, frankly, I've been doing a lot more of that recently

00:11:32 ◼   ► with the house stuff.

00:11:33 ◼   ► but I'm just keeping Dropbox folders

00:11:35 ◼   ► because I either need to share those folders with Adina.

00:11:37 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:11:38 ◼   ► - It's just all staying in Dropbox.

00:11:39 ◼   ► - That's a good point.

00:11:40 ◼   ► That's another angle of this where

00:11:42 ◼   ► if you have something that is private but shared--

00:11:44 ◼   ► - Then it's even more difficult.

00:11:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, so if anyone has any good suggestions from Axe,

00:11:48 ◼   ► please let us know.

00:11:49 ◼   ► - Yep.

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00:13:12 ◼   ► Alright so there has been a whole slew of rumours about the next iPhone over the last

00:13:18 ◼   ► couple of weeks and you know whilst we know this stuff it's all rumour, it's all conjecture,

00:13:23 ◼   ► there are a couple of things in here that are interesting enough that I wanted to touch

00:13:27 ◼   ► on them today, the main one being a blue iPhone. Now I've never heard of iPhone in Canada,

00:13:34 ◼   ► I've never heard of this site before, but they purport to have a blue iPhone, I think

00:13:42 ◼   ► this is the Plus model, it looks like the bigger model because it's got the dual camera

00:13:46 ◼   ► set up, and they have it in a bunch of arrangements. Now they've taken a bunch of photos of it,

00:13:52 ◼   ► it

00:14:11 ◼   ► and then the kind of the layout for the dual camera is matching a lot of the case leaks

00:14:15 ◼   ► we've seen. So let's just assume this is real for the sake of this discussion.

00:14:22 ◼   ► Okay. What do you think of the blue iPhone?

00:14:24 ◼   ► I like the blue a lot. You know we've spoken a lot over time about having options in the

00:14:30 ◼   ► iPhone line and Jason has talked a lot about this as well. That for a long time it was

00:14:34 ◼   ► just black or silver and then they added gold and now they've added rose gold and so to

00:14:39 ◼   ► a fifth option. You know we're getting to a point where this is true there

00:14:42 ◼   ► actually are a lot of options and colors for the iPhone. As far as this particular

00:14:47 ◼   ► phone I really like this blue and I think it would be nice to offset the gold

00:14:51 ◼   ► and rose gold with something a little bit a little bit darker. Again like this

00:14:56 ◼   ► has the black cover glass on the front which I like I don't really don't care

00:14:59 ◼   ► for the white glass above and below the screen. I think I'm in the minority there

00:15:02 ◼   ► but it'd be nice to have another darker option and I think it looks great and I

00:15:07 ◼   ► I think if it's real, it's definitely something

00:15:09 ◼   ► that I would be tempted by,

00:15:11 ◼   ► having carrying space gray phones for a long time,

00:15:14 ◼   ► it'd be nice to have another option.

00:15:16 ◼   ► - So one of the things that I find weird about these leaks,

00:15:18 ◼   ► though, is the fact that the front of it is black.

00:15:21 ◼   ► Why would they do that?

00:15:23 ◼   ► History has shown, and I know things can change,

00:15:25 ◼   ► but every color gets white, and it's just interesting to me

00:15:30 ◼   ► that they would put the blue with the black.

00:15:33 ◼   ► I don't know why they would do that.

00:15:34 ◼   ► Clearly the white sells well,

00:15:36 ◼   ► which is why every other color is white.

00:15:38 ◼   ► But I'm cool with that because I haven't had

00:15:41 ◼   ► a black iPhone in a bit.

00:15:43 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to maybe getting this blue

00:15:47 ◼   ► 'cause I like it, I think it looks really nice.

00:15:49 ◼   ► I was probably gonna go rose gold for my next iPhone,

00:15:53 ◼   ► but I may go blue just because it's different

00:15:56 ◼   ► and it looks pretty cool.

00:15:58 ◼   ► - And it's a way to signify you have a new iPhone

00:16:01 ◼   ► if the design stays more or less the same.

00:16:03 ◼   ► - So that's one of the reasons

00:16:04 ◼   ► I think they're doing a new color.

00:16:06 ◼   ► It's because the new color shows the new iPhone.

00:16:09 ◼   ► They did it with the rose gold, right?

00:16:10 ◼   ► They brought the rose gold out for the S

00:16:12 ◼   ► because it shows new phone.

00:16:14 ◼   ► It's just a visual way when the phone isn't changing

00:16:17 ◼   ► to show that you have a new phone.

00:16:19 ◼   ► So I reckon that they're pro,

00:16:21 ◼   ► I'm pretty confident they're gonna do this

00:16:23 ◼   ► because as well, the colors that they've added,

00:16:26 ◼   ► gold and rose gold, traditionally skew more feminine.

00:16:29 ◼   ► So I think that they may go with a blue

00:16:34 ◼   ► to try and balance that out a little bit more.

00:16:36 ◼   ► Now, I mean, I don't think that that's necessarily

00:16:39 ◼   ► the case for everyone.

00:16:40 ◼   ► Like I know that, I mean, I have a gold iPad,

00:16:42 ◼   ► I want a rose gold phone,

00:16:44 ◼   ► but I think that they're just going with the trends.

00:16:46 ◼   ► I think maybe more guys would buy the blue one

00:16:49 ◼   ► over the pink one, because that just tends to be

00:16:52 ◼   ► how our brains are wired to work by mass media.

00:16:55 ◼   ► Now we don't need to get into that discussion,

00:16:57 ◼   ► but I think that they may be going with blue

00:16:59 ◼   ► as just a different color.

00:17:01 ◼   ► I would like to see it maybe be a bit brighter,

00:17:03 ◼   ► like I just want more vivid color in my devices these days,

00:17:07 ◼   ► but I think this is really cool.

00:17:09 ◼   ► But this isn't the only rumors,

00:17:11 ◼   ► this isn't anything that comes out

00:17:12 ◼   ► over the last couple of days.

00:17:14 ◼   ► There's also a discussion about

00:17:16 ◼   ► what devices we're gonna see.

00:17:18 ◼   ► A lot of the earlier rumors were hinting towards

00:17:21 ◼   ► there being an iPhone Pro,

00:17:23 ◼   ► and there being then three devices.

00:17:29 ◼   ► You have the regular 7, then the 7 Plus,

00:17:32 ◼   ► I assume it's called the 7 and then the 7 Pro.

00:17:35 ◼   ► And some of the case leaks that we'd seen

00:17:37 ◼   ► showed an iPhone plus size with a smart connector on it.

00:17:40 ◼   ► Right.

00:17:41 ◼   ► But now 9 to 5 Mac is saying that that won't be happening.

00:17:44 ◼   ► So here's my question.

00:17:46 ◼   ► Will there be no third iPhone, or will there

00:17:49 ◼   ► be no iPhone with a smart connector on it?

00:17:52 ◼   ► My guess is that Pro and smart connector are kind of linked.

00:17:56 ◼   ► And so if we don't see a Pro model,

00:17:59 ◼   ► we won't see a smart connector on the iPhone.

00:18:01 ◼   ► And I had a lot of questions about that anyways, like,

00:18:04 ◼   ► what would you be using a smart connector for on an iPhone?

00:18:07 ◼   ► Like, are they gonna ship a really tiny keyboard?

00:18:10 ◼   ► Or are they gonna ship some other adorable tiny thing?

00:18:14 ◼   ► - I thought maybe like battery case, speaker case.

00:18:17 ◼   ► Like, they might go down the route that like--

00:18:19 ◼   ► - The modular thing, like LG is doing it with the G5.

00:18:22 ◼   ► - The Motorola one.

00:18:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, the Droid Force or Z or something,

00:18:26 ◼   ► one of those has it now.

00:18:28 ◼   ► I think that's really trendy,

00:18:29 ◼   ► I don't see Apple going down the road.

00:18:30 ◼   ► I don't either, but like it's like where what could you do with it and like there's some things you could do with it

00:18:34 ◼   ► But I think it's that's a little bit too fiddly. I agree

00:18:37 ◼   ► So I don't you know, but I mean you look at it right now

00:18:41 ◼   ► The pro doesn't really have a lot of stuff that it does

00:18:43 ◼   ► They only needed essentially one idea for what a smart connect could do and it would have been enough enough. Yeah

00:18:48 ◼   ► And so yeah, I think I think we'll see the seven tiny pencil

00:18:52 ◼   ► What do we think you tiny pencil and we'll see the seven plus with this dual camera set up

00:18:58 ◼   ► So assuming this is this is accurate regular phone and then the plus you're gonna stay in the plus Club cool Sam

00:19:04 ◼   ► And I can't wait for all of the people that begrudgingly join us when this dual cameras thing is only in the plus

00:19:09 ◼   ► Yeah, and it plus plus Club is gonna get a resurgence later on this year. I'm so excited

00:19:15 ◼   ► I'm just so happy to see people like Jason and Gruber like begrudgingly move over to the plus Club

00:19:21 ◼   ► Yeah after you know trying to put it down for so long

00:19:23 ◼   ► Yeah, well, you know Myke was right lives on

00:19:27 ◼   ► Yes, forever. And let's talk about their headphone jack for a moment, right?

00:19:33 ◼   ► Okay. What we've seen and what a lot of people thought we'd see is we'll get a

00:19:37 ◼   ► second speaker and all of the parts leaks including the renders that we've

00:19:41 ◼   ► seen and the device that we've maybe seen with the blue one shows two speaker

00:19:45 ◼   ► grills, parallel speaker grills. Right. So seeing that would hint second speaker.

00:19:51 ◼   ► However, Apple Insider has got some schematics from somewhere which suggests

00:19:57 ◼   ► that that is purely cosmetic. The microphone is sitting behind that speaker

00:20:01 ◼   ► grill. Apple! That makes me sad. I am now firmly in the camp of believing that

00:20:11 ◼   ► they are removing the headphone jack now because the next phone that they're

00:20:16 ◼   ► gonna be working on, this iPhone, 10 year anniversary iPhone, is gonna be the

00:20:21 ◼   ► one with a brand new design it might go the route that John Gruber spoke about with the

00:20:25 ◼   ► edge to edge or glass right and the capacitive home button like the false touch home button

00:20:32 ◼   ► embedded in the display or something because they may be moving to this false touch home

00:20:36 ◼   ► button for a reason that doesn't make any sense right now. I think that they are doing

00:20:39 ◼   ► a bunch of these things to this phone to set up the next one because they don't want all

00:20:43 ◼   ► of the headlines on the next phone to be "Apple removes the headphone jack" and that's a super

00:20:48 ◼   ► Like a lot of people have a fundamental issue

00:20:50 ◼   ► with me saying this because they have a view of Apple,

00:20:53 ◼   ► which is perfection.

00:20:54 ◼   ► - Well, I don't know, I mean sure, some people do.

00:20:58 ◼   ► My problem with it is, is it Apple sells a silver product

00:21:01 ◼   ► this year that people, that they need to sell?

00:21:04 ◼   ► They can't sacrifice.

00:21:06 ◼   ► - But they're not sacrificing it.

00:21:08 ◼   ► They're still removing it anyway, right?

00:21:10 ◼   ► If the headphone jack was ever gonna completely sacrifice it

00:21:14 ◼   ► they were always gonna do it.

00:21:15 ◼   ► And people will buy this phone regardless.

00:21:17 ◼   ► it doesn't matter what they do.

00:21:18 ◼   ► - And that's where the word sacrifice comes in.

00:21:20 ◼   ► Like, if a lot of people skip this one for some reason,

00:21:24 ◼   ► which would be stupid, right?

00:21:25 ◼   ► So say that you don't buy this iPhone

00:21:27 ◼   ► because of the headphone jack.

00:21:28 ◼   ► Well, it's not coming back, right?

00:21:29 ◼   ► Apple has never added something back.

00:21:31 ◼   ► - You're not gonna push their hand to put the headphone back.

00:21:33 ◼   ► - Right, really what I mean by that

00:21:34 ◼   ► is that they would create something

00:21:36 ◼   ► that wasn't as good as it could be on its own.

00:21:40 ◼   ► And really, the headphone jack thing aside,

00:21:43 ◼   ► really where that gets me is this second speaker

00:21:46 ◼   ► because this is a feature that not only are all their competitors doing, all the flagship

00:21:50 ◼   ► Android phones have two speaker systems and they all sound good, or just look at the iPad.

00:21:57 ◼   ► They're already doing this on iOS devices.

00:21:58 ◼   ► They have four in those.

00:21:59 ◼   ► Yeah, and so if you're going to take the opportunity to redesign the bottom of the phone, yes, you

00:22:04 ◼   ► do have to deal with putting the microphone somewhere and maybe it doesn't work if it's

00:22:10 ◼   ► in the same very small space as the speaker for some reason.

00:22:13 ◼   ► But I would have expected seeing this design

00:22:17 ◼   ► that we would see two speakers.

00:22:18 ◼   ► And I would say I think people who see it will expect it to.

00:22:23 ◼   ► And if you go back to the original iPhone design

00:22:27 ◼   ► and all the way up through, I think, the five,

00:22:29 ◼   ► or whenever they changed it, for a long time,

00:22:32 ◼   ► the bottom of the phone was symmetrical.

00:22:34 ◼   ► You had the input, the 30-pin dock connector,

00:22:37 ◼   ► and you had a grill on either side.

00:22:39 ◼   ► And a lot of people assumed both were speakers because it looked that way.

00:22:42 ◼   ► And now they're going to go back to that and they're still not going to be doing it.

00:22:46 ◼   ► It's a little frustrating. I would like my iPhone to be louder.

00:22:49 ◼   ► I like the speaker to be better. I like a lot of people. I think like you

00:22:53 ◼   ► use just the iPhone speaker to listen to podcasts a bunch. Well I use the iPad speakers now

00:22:57 ◼   ► because they're so good.

00:22:58 ◼   ► Yeah, but it would be nice if the iPhone could be better and it seems like it's not going to be

00:23:02 ◼   ► this time around. That's a little disappointing. So I don't think they're going to stand on stage

00:23:07 ◼   ► and say it as a second speaker.

00:23:09 ◼   ► right i don't think that they can say that it is second speaker i think they

00:23:12 ◼   ► don't lie

00:23:13 ◼   ► but i think they're creating a design that is deceptive and is deceptive on

00:23:16 ◼   ► purpose

00:23:17 ◼   ► uh... a little bit and i i think that if there was a speaker that make a big deal

00:23:21 ◼   ► out of it yet there will be there will be uh... basis to shame i mean it's just

00:23:25 ◼   ► it's just a shame i think and

00:23:27 ◼   ► i think i think one of the things that we're gonna feel about this this i'd

00:23:31 ◼   ► this iphone is that

00:23:33 ◼   ► it's a shame i think will be something that will mention about like her it's a

00:23:37 ◼   ► It's a shame that it doesn't have a new design.

00:23:39 ◼   ► It's a shame that they've taken the headphone jack away.

00:23:42 ◼   ► But I think if the camera is as good as it probably could be, I think that could be awesome.

00:23:49 ◼   ► Yeah, you know, I think that it will be a period of adjustment for people.

00:23:55 ◼   ► And for me personally, the only time I really use the headphone jack is while I work out.

00:24:00 ◼   ► And even in that scenario, my Bluetooth earbuds, which I own a pair, would be better.

00:24:05 ◼   ► I just never remember to take them or charge them or anything.

00:24:09 ◼   ► But for a lot of people who are using it in their cars,

00:24:11 ◼   ► hardwired in is going to be an adjustment,

00:24:13 ◼   ► or you got to buy a dongle to go from Lightning to 3.5

00:24:17 ◼   ► millimeter.

00:24:18 ◼   ► There will be adjustment period.

00:24:21 ◼   ► I think that it's a little early.

00:24:23 ◼   ► Like if you look when they drop things like the floppy drive

00:24:26 ◼   ► or the optical drive, they had really--

00:24:30 ◼   ► with the optical drive, in particular with the MacBook Air,

00:24:32 ◼   ► they had a really good case for, hey,

00:24:34 ◼   ► We don't have to back up to DVDs.

00:24:36 ◼   ► We have Time Machine.

00:24:37 ◼   ► You don't need to watch movies on a disc.

00:24:40 ◼   ► You can get it from iTunes.

00:24:41 ◼   ► You can rent them from iTunes.

00:24:42 ◼   ► It was in the same keynote.

00:24:43 ◼   ► I don't know what that story is with the headphone jack.

00:24:45 ◼   ► - Bluetooth.

00:24:46 ◼   ► - But it's not, I don't think it's as good as a reason.

00:24:50 ◼   ► - No it's not, but that's gonna be the reason.

00:24:52 ◼   ► So this is the thing, the story you've painted

00:24:56 ◼   ► is the way the presentation will go,

00:24:58 ◼   ► but the implicit part in what you're saying

00:25:02 ◼   ► is there was a good reason for it.

00:25:04 ◼   ► but I don't think Bluetooth is, and I'm not alone in this,

00:25:08 ◼   ► Bluetooth just isn't a good enough reason.

00:25:10 ◼   ► So I will not switch to Bluetooth headphones until,

00:25:15 ◼   ► like the only route that I see myself switching

00:25:17 ◼   ► to Bluetooth headphones is if I could get

00:25:19 ◼   ► a pair of Bluetooth headphones that do quick charging

00:25:21 ◼   ► via the lightning port on my phone,

00:25:24 ◼   ► because if I have Bluetooth headphones,

00:25:26 ◼   ► I have battery anxiety constantly.

00:25:28 ◼   ► Like when I leave the house with Bluetooth headphones,

00:25:31 ◼   ► I have my earbuds in my pocket,

00:25:33 ◼   ► Because if I'm out, I like to be able to listen to stuff.

00:25:37 ◼   ► And if the battery dies, then there's nothing you can do

00:25:40 ◼   ► because it charges by mini USB.

00:25:42 ◼   ► Like where am I gonna do that?

00:25:43 ◼   ► And my hope is that Apple create a new set of earphones

00:25:47 ◼   ► that charge via the lightning port like the pencil does.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Like it has a little male connector in there somewhere

00:25:53 ◼   ► and you just unplug it, pop it in and it charges.

00:25:56 ◼   ► That would be awesome.

00:25:56 ◼   ► Otherwise, I'm just gonna stick to the probably

00:25:59 ◼   ► lightning earbuds that they put in the box.

00:26:02 ◼   ► The battery stuff is just something I don't want to have to deal with.

00:26:05 ◼   ► I think a lot of people would be there.

00:26:07 ◼   ► There was a report that Apple was working on, like low power Bluetooth stuff, but the

00:26:11 ◼   ► thing with Bluetooth, it's always going to be better next year, like the promise every

00:26:15 ◼   ► year.

00:26:16 ◼   ► And it is better than it used to be, but it's not good enough.

00:26:19 ◼   ► And having a headphone jack, there's no power draw, hardly at all.

00:26:24 ◼   ► Or if you're streaming with Bluetooth, it's noticeable.

00:26:26 ◼   ► So Rosemary in the chat room has said that she sees the battery level in notifications

00:26:31 ◼   ► for our Bluetooth headphones so it's not an issue and I totally get that like it's

00:26:34 ◼   ► possible to see the battery I just don't want to have to think about another

00:26:39 ◼   ► battery in my life I have to think of the batteries of everything I know my

00:26:44 ◼   ► watch yet the thing I put on my wrist the computers that I use the things that

00:26:48 ◼   ► I have in my pocket I don't want to also have to think about my headphones as

00:26:51 ◼   ► another battery thing I have to worry about like it having a battery in there

00:26:56 ◼   ► but me being able to just plug it in and quick charge it that works perfectly for

00:26:59 ◼   ► for me.

00:27:00 ◼   ► Yep.

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00:29:18 ◼   ► - So Myke, you bought something on your trip.

00:29:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I got a tattoo yesterday.

00:29:24 ◼   ► I got a Relay FM focused tattoo.

00:29:27 ◼   ► So it's a piece of artwork that we've used

00:29:31 ◼   ► at Relay Con on the badges that we had

00:29:33 ◼   ► and we're making some stickers of this

00:29:35 ◼   ► which will be available for sale soon.

00:29:37 ◼   ► And it is, in essence, the simplest representation

00:29:42 ◼   ► of our artwork.

00:29:45 ◼   ► So it is a round rack with a circle in the middle,

00:29:48 ◼   ► which is some kind of artwork entity.

00:29:50 ◼   ► The two black lines are the name of the show,

00:29:53 ◼   ► then the subtitle of the show,

00:29:54 ◼   ► and the triangle on the top left,

00:29:56 ◼   ► which is where the Relay FM logo goes on our artwork.

00:29:59 ◼   ► So this is basically our designer, Frank,

00:30:01 ◼   ► he has a template and like a grid system that he developed.

00:30:06 ◼   ► And this is like, if you take that grid system

00:30:08 ◼   ► and just put something where the things need to go,

00:30:10 ◼   ► this is the simplest representation of our artwork

00:30:13 ◼   ► that you can have.

00:30:14 ◼   ► And I didn't want to get the Relay FM logo tattooed on me.

00:30:18 ◼   ► I just didn't want the logo.

00:30:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:30:21 ◼   ► - Because I feel like that's just a bit much.

00:30:24 ◼   ► - A little weird.

00:30:24 ◼   ► - It just feels strange to me.

00:30:26 ◼   ► And also our logo could change in the future,

00:30:30 ◼   ► but our artwork is most likely gonna always look like this

00:30:33 ◼   ► because this is just how podcast artwork tends to be,

00:30:36 ◼   ► with like a piece of artwork and a name.

00:30:38 ◼   ► And also if we changed the artwork style,

00:30:42 ◼   ► it feels like that changing would be less of an effect

00:30:44 ◼   ► than the company logo changing.

00:30:47 ◼   ► Because this just symbolizes podcast to me.

00:30:50 ◼   ► Like ATP, right?

00:30:51 ◼   ► They're not a real AFM show,

00:30:52 ◼   ► but their artwork kind of looks like this, right?

00:30:54 ◼   ► Because a big circular thing in the middle

00:30:55 ◼   ► with the name of the show underneath it.

00:30:57 ◼   ► This just looks like podcast to me.

00:30:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, they use an antique computer on their artwork.

00:31:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, it should be one in your collection, I think.

00:31:05 ◼   ► So I'll put a link in the show notes so you can go and see my tattoo.

00:31:08 ◼   ► I took a picture of it last night and right now it's very rustly as I have saran wrap on my arm.

00:31:12 ◼   ► So it's your first one?

00:31:13 ◼   ► It's my first tattoo.

00:31:14 ◼   ► You got some catching up to do with me.

00:31:16 ◼   ► It is actually my first. I already know my next one.

00:31:18 ◼   ► Yeah, that's how it goes.

00:31:19 ◼   ► Yeah. I mean this is the my next tattoo it was an idea that I'd had a long time ago but just never did it.

00:31:24 ◼   ► And then I saw this artwork and immediately knew that this is what I needed.

00:31:27 ◼   ► So now I have a real AFM tattoo and I wanted to do it whilst I was here in Memphis.

00:31:32 ◼   ► I decided to do this a couple of months ago,

00:31:34 ◼   ► but I wanted to do it whilst we were together

00:31:36 ◼   ► and whilst we were celebrating our second anniversary.

00:31:39 ◼   ► So now I have a real AirFam tattoo on my body.

00:31:42 ◼   ► - So today is two years from the launch of the network.

00:31:46 ◼   ► And we, per our tradition, we did this last year,

00:31:49 ◼   ► and we did it at launch.

00:31:50 ◼   ► We thought we would do some question and answer,

00:31:52 ◼   ► which is really why I'm here today.

00:31:54 ◼   ► You didn't need me for the first half of the show.

00:31:55 ◼   ► I could be asleep.

00:31:56 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:31:57 ◼   ► - But we're gonna do Q&A.

00:31:58 ◼   ► If this goes south, you will just ask me

00:32:00 ◼   ► yes and no questions.

00:32:01 ◼   ► you're just going to do like a system of tapping on the desk to indicate yes or

00:32:05 ◼   ► no

00:32:06 ◼   ► uh... said you want to uh...

00:32:09 ◼   ► so it is i'm going to all school the question is that

00:32:12 ◼   ► and then maybe you can give some answers okay thank you the first one comes from

00:32:15 ◼   ► rob and rob on school what has been your favorite podcasting moment in the last

00:32:20 ◼   ► year so

00:32:21 ◼   ► for me the the my favorite single moment

00:32:24 ◼   ► was when i introduced gray on stage at relaycon yeah because it was a surprise

00:32:29 ◼   ► that we'd been working on for a while and we managed to keep it secret. So when I was

00:32:34 ◼   ► able to call him up on stage, that was a really fun thing for me because it was very unexpected

00:32:39 ◼   ► for the people there and also for the people listening. So I think over the last year that's

00:32:44 ◼   ► probably been my favorite moment and also the thing that I was the most nervous about

00:32:48 ◼   ► standing on stage and introducing him. Yeah I think RelayCon for me is also the highlight

00:32:54 ◼   ► of our year. We worked on it for a really long time. It was a lot of effort to make

00:33:00 ◼   ► it happen and when we looked out on that crowd and the bar was full and there were people

00:33:05 ◼   ► standing in the back and we had a wait list of hundreds of people we couldn't get in,

00:33:11 ◼   ► it was a big success. And that meant a lot to me, meant a lot to the company, meant a

00:33:15 ◼   ► lot to both of us. And by far, hands down, probably in the two years, honestly, that

00:33:22 ◼   ► event for me has been the highlight so far. Kathy asked what goal do you have

00:33:27 ◼   ► for year three that wasn't even on your mind until this year? So without going

00:33:33 ◼   ► into too many details some of the numbers that we aim for now from like an

00:33:37 ◼   ► audience size and a financial size they're numbers that I never could have

00:33:42 ◼   ► imagined that we would have achieved. We've you know without trying to blow

00:33:46 ◼   ► our own trumpet too much we've been very successful over the last couple of years

00:33:49 ◼   ► and we've built something that we're really proud of and just some of the numbers that we're looking at it doesn't it doesn't even make

00:33:55 ◼   ► any sense to me and also like something that we've been talking about this week is

00:33:59 ◼   ► thinking about me and Steven getting some help some like administrative help as we're trying to like do more and

00:34:06 ◼   ► Things like that. It just doesn't it just is mind-blowing to me that we're now in a position where we're like a real company

00:34:12 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I think for me I think we have some ideas

00:34:19 ◼   ► For shows and for projects I'll call them projects

00:34:22 ◼   ► That we would not have tackled a year ago that we're now talking about doing. Yeah, that's true. We

00:34:28 ◼   ► we are

00:34:30 ◼   ► Not we're trying to not have as many shows launch this year's the coming year as we did in the previous year

00:34:36 ◼   ► Just because we I think it gets to a certain point and we can't manage all of the shows

00:34:41 ◼   ► As well as we would like if we had too many

00:34:43 ◼   ► But we have we have a new project

00:34:46 ◼   ► very new very early stage that we were talking about over the last couple of days, which is

00:34:52 ◼   ► Ambitious very ambitious and if we were able to pull it off I

00:34:58 ◼   ► Will be it would have very much surprised last year's Myke

00:35:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I thought that this was a type of thing that we'd be able to do. So

00:35:06 ◼   ► Yeah, we've got that one Zach asked what iOS podcast clients did the relay hosts prefer for day-to-day listening?

00:35:12 ◼   ► I use overcast. I know you use overcast

00:35:15 ◼   ► I think on the whole it's split between overcast and pocket casts for everybody

00:35:20 ◼   ► on the network. I'm hoping Castro starts to bump in there as I was talking about

00:35:25 ◼   ► an upgrade of JSON. I'm so close for Castro to me because there are just some

00:35:30 ◼   ► things about this application which is so like fundamental to the way that I

00:35:33 ◼   ► listen to podcasts but I need an iPad app so we'll see what they do there but

00:35:40 ◼   ► yeah it's mainly overcast and pocketcast right now. Parker wanted to know how we

00:35:44 ◼   ► we first met. This is probably a story we've told a few times and... On mind dating. Yep.

00:35:52 ◼   ► Over history I feel like I don't really remember it as well anymore but I know

00:35:59 ◼   ► that... I mean I... I know. Okay I don't remember. Yeah so you you interviewed me on

00:36:09 ◼   ► the bro show. So I reached out to you then to ask you to be on my first podcast. Yeah.

00:36:16 ◼   ► And we talked about the iPad and we stayed in touch. I think we hit it off really well

00:36:20 ◼   ► in the air. And then you were writing for a website at the time that I started doing

00:36:24 ◼   ► some app reviews for as well. Yeah. And we went from there, we did our first show together

00:36:30 ◼   ► on Genius which we've now brought back if you're not listening to Shame On You. And

00:36:34 ◼   ► and we did the 512 podcast, which is the precursor to the prompt, and we just went from there.

00:36:41 ◼   ► So it started with an interview and now we have a company together.

00:36:44 ◼   ► That's how these things go, kids. Watch out when you're doing those interviews, because

00:36:49 ◼   ► you might end up tied to someone for the rest of your life.

00:36:54 ◼   ► Next up, from Danny. Danny asked, "Do any of you use Marco's fancy file matching tool?"

00:36:59 ◼   ► So this is something he's been speaking about on ATP a bunch.

00:37:03 ◼   ► The tool that he uses to take WAV files and match them up to affect drift.

00:37:09 ◼   ► I don't do it because I can't use command line stuff properly.

00:37:17 ◼   ► I use it a little bit if I run into trouble but most of the time the stuff I'm editing,

00:37:22 ◼   ► so I only edit living behind the scenes, I only edit currently ungenius and liftoff and

00:37:26 ◼   ► both short and they're both only two people so generally I can do it manually and I'm

00:37:30 ◼   ► fine.

00:37:31 ◼   ► So a couple people mentioned in chat did we say that Federico wasn't here today?

00:37:34 ◼   ► I don't think we did.

00:37:35 ◼   ► Federico's at the beach.

00:37:36 ◼   ► Yeah he's on summer vacation right now.

00:37:38 ◼   ► I think he's writing his iOS review in the sand so this year this is a special feature

00:37:46 ◼   ► for local Club Max Stories members.

00:37:49 ◼   ► You just go read his review it's being written on a beach.

00:37:51 ◼   ► He's writing it with a stick in the sand so that's gonna be nice.

00:37:54 ◼   ► seems like a not a good way to back up your text. It's fine don't worry about it, he's

00:37:58 ◼   ► taking drone photos of it. Yeah so Federico's on holiday so that's just the two of us today.

00:38:03 ◼   ► Sorry Federico. Kate wanted to know what has the experience of running Relay been like

00:38:09 ◼   ► compared to what you expected when you started. So this morning me and Steven were being a

00:38:13 ◼   ► little misty eyed and we were talking about the day before we launched. So the day before

00:38:19 ◼   ► we launched we had like a letter that we published at Relay.fm. Yeah, week before. Week before.

00:38:23 ◼   ► before and it kind of just said what because we hadn't spoken about what we were doing

00:38:29 ◼   ► we when we left five by five we just went quiet for a bit to get this stuff ready and

00:38:33 ◼   ► then about a month later we published this website which had just this open letter on

00:38:38 ◼   ► it and it kind of said who we were and what we were doing what we were looking to try

00:38:43 ◼   ► and achieve with relay FM and then it listed the shows and it was analog which was the

00:38:48 ◼   ► the first new show, Connected, Virtual,

00:38:53 ◼   ► Inquisitive, and the Pen Avic.

00:38:55 ◼   ► They were our five shows.

00:38:56 ◼   ► So that's the thing that I can't believe now

00:38:59 ◼   ► is we have like 25 nearly.

00:39:02 ◼   ► So we have five times the amount of shows,

00:39:05 ◼   ► many more hosts than that,

00:39:07 ◼   ► maybe six or seven times the amount of hosts, if not more.

00:39:11 ◼   ► And it's kind of a daunting thing to think about now

00:39:16 ◼   ► if i was to go back then and tell myself that

00:39:18 ◼   ► we were able to manage it pretty nicely now because we kind of over in the

00:39:22 ◼   ► flow of things in the group

00:39:25 ◼   ► it's uh...

00:39:27 ◼   ► it's a funny thing to think back to the five that we started with

00:39:30 ◼   ► and that being like an impossible number in the size of a company her now we have

00:39:35 ◼   ► over twenty

00:39:36 ◼   ► i think the big

00:39:38 ◼   ► change in experiences that we're both now doing it as our jobs

00:39:42 ◼   ► and where we started relay

00:39:44 ◼   ► we both had nine to five jobs,

00:39:46 ◼   ► and we were doing it after work,

00:39:49 ◼   ► in the evenings, on weekends,

00:39:51 ◼   ► and now, as of a year ago, we're both in it full time.

00:39:55 ◼   ► And that's been a huge change,

00:39:58 ◼   ► and because of that, we've been able to grow it

00:40:00 ◼   ► the way we have.

00:40:01 ◼   ► If we were still having nine to five jobs,

00:40:02 ◼   ► there's no way Relay would have 25 podcasts.

00:40:05 ◼   ► - So the funny thing is, though,

00:40:07 ◼   ► I never had a doubt in my mind

00:40:09 ◼   ► that it would be my job one day,

00:40:10 ◼   ► like this would do it.

00:40:11 ◼   ► Like, I was convinced.

00:40:13 ◼   ► otherwise i would never have done this.

00:40:15 ◼   ► Like if I didn't think that this was gonna be the thing,

00:40:17 ◼   ► we would have never started it.

00:40:19 ◼   ► And I know that it was difficult

00:40:21 ◼   ► and I didn't know when it was gonna happen,

00:40:23 ◼   ► but I really believed we could do it.

00:40:26 ◼   ► But it happened quicker, much quicker for both of us

00:40:29 ◼   ► than I expected.

00:40:31 ◼   ► I thought it was gonna be a couple of years,

00:40:33 ◼   ► but I was convinced that this would be the path

00:40:35 ◼   ► for both of us.

00:40:36 ◼   ► - Yep, same.

00:40:37 ◼   ► - Oz asked, if you could have any guest in the world

00:40:42 ◼   ► for any show on your network, who would it be and why?

00:40:47 ◼   ► Do you have one?

00:40:48 ◼   ► I was thinking you might have someone

00:40:50 ◼   ► space related or something.

00:40:52 ◼   ► - I mean, I have some dreams for particular shows.

00:40:55 ◼   ► So like, it'd be fun to have some astronauts like Tim Peake

00:40:59 ◼   ► or, you know, Chris Hadfield on "Lift Off."

00:41:03 ◼   ► That'd be a lot of fun.

00:41:04 ◼   ► On this show, you know, it would be really daunting,

00:41:07 ◼   ► but it would be fun to talk to an Apple executive.

00:41:10 ◼   ► Not that we would get anything amazing out of them,

00:41:13 ◼   ► but it would be a real honor,

00:41:15 ◼   ► and it would be like a real holy cow type moment.

00:41:19 ◼   ► But I don't hang my hat on any of those things.

00:41:22 ◼   ► I'm proud of everything we do now.

00:41:23 ◼   ► Like I don't consider having something like that on a show

00:41:27 ◼   ► like an actual goal.

00:41:29 ◼   ► Like it would be amazing,

00:41:30 ◼   ► but it's not something I strive for.

00:41:32 ◼   ► - I mean, there are certain Apple executives

00:41:34 ◼   ► of course we'd love to talk to.

00:41:35 ◼   ► Mine would be Ive, speak to Jonathan Ive.

00:41:38 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Sir Jonathan Ive.

00:41:39 ◼   ► - Wow, put that in there.

00:41:41 ◼   ► - Yep, and then maybe somebody like Stephen Fry,

00:41:44 ◼   ► you know, is someone I've always wished I could talk to,

00:41:46 ◼   ► and also for me, Adam Savage.

00:41:48 ◼   ► They kind of, they're like the people that--

00:41:52 ◼   ► - I'll second you on Adam Savage.

00:41:54 ◼   ► - If I could talk to Adam Savage, Stephen Fry,

00:41:56 ◼   ► and Johnny Ive, I would be pretty, I'd be pretty happy.

00:41:59 ◼   ► - There you go.

00:42:00 ◼   ► - So as a company, we tried our best to make money.

00:42:05 ◼   ► Some of that is through sponsorship, which we do.

00:42:08 ◼   ► Some of that is through membership,

00:42:09 ◼   ► which we'll talk about later.

00:42:10 ◼   ► But one of the things we have to do with all of that

00:42:12 ◼   ► is send our invoices, and we use FreshBooks for that,

00:42:14 ◼   ► and they are our sponsor for this week.

00:42:16 ◼   ► - Nice. - It's good segue, right?

00:42:17 ◼   ► - It's good. - FreshBooks are on the mission

00:42:19 ◼   ► to help small business owners save time

00:42:20 ◼   ► and avoid the stress that comes with running their businesses

00:42:22 ◼   ► and I, we, can completely attest to the fact

00:42:26 ◼   ► that they do this every single week.

00:42:29 ◼   ► I am happy that I use FreshBooks

00:42:31 ◼   ► because their invoicing is so pain-free.

00:42:35 ◼   ► You can get an invoice set up and sent out in 30 seconds.

00:42:38 ◼   ► It saves all, you can save in all of the different line items.

00:42:41 ◼   ► So like I have all of our shows saved into FreshBooks.

00:42:44 ◼   ► So I just choose to show and it fills out the prices

00:42:47 ◼   ► and everything automatically.

00:42:49 ◼   ► All of our clients, all of the companies that we bill,

00:42:51 ◼   ► that's all saved in there.

00:42:52 ◼   ► It's so, so simple to get them sent out.

00:42:56 ◼   ► And what our sponsors love is we make it very easy

00:42:59 ◼   ► for them to pay us because with FreshBooks,

00:43:02 ◼   ► you can integrate so many different ways.

00:43:04 ◼   ► You can integrate card payments, PayPal payments,

00:43:06 ◼   ► they have their own payment information.

00:43:08 ◼   ► You can put on how to be paid by check,

00:43:10 ◼   ► how to be paid by bank transfer.

00:43:11 ◼   ► You can put all of this stuff

00:43:13 ◼   ► front and center on the invoice.

00:43:14 ◼   ► And this is why FreshBooks customers

00:43:16 ◼   ► get paid five days faster on average.

00:43:18 ◼   ► We were laughing about this the other day.

00:43:20 ◼   ► FreshBooks pays so quickly,

00:43:22 ◼   ► which is really funny to me.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Like as a company, they pay us super quick.

00:43:26 ◼   ► And it's because they love their invoices

00:43:28 ◼   ► as much as we love sending them.

00:43:30 ◼   ► FreshBooks can also help you keep track of your expenses.

00:43:33 ◼   ► You can automatically import your bank transactions

00:43:35 ◼   ► for easy reconciliation.

00:43:36 ◼   ► know Steven lives in that section. They have great reports so I like their reports. I can

00:43:41 ◼   ► log in and on my dashboard at FreshBooks it tells me who is 60 days overpayment, who is

00:43:47 ◼   ► 90 days overpayment. So I know just at a glance where the money is and what I need to do about

00:43:52 ◼   ► it. And I can also get automatic chasers set up on the invoices. You know when people have

00:43:57 ◼   ► looked at them and you can have automatic reminders sent as well. If you bill anybody

00:44:01 ◼   ► for anything, they also do time tracking as well, you should check out FreshBooks. It

00:44:06 ◼   ► is absolutely fantastic, I wouldn't want to use anything else. And I don't say this about

00:44:11 ◼   ► everything, right, like a sponsorship is not us saying, like we don't come in here and

00:44:15 ◼   ► just say "oh I love this more than anything in the world" but this is how I feel about

00:44:19 ◼   ► FreshBooks, it is something you should be trying. Go to FreshBooks.com/Connected, use

00:44:23 ◼   ► the code "Connected" in the "How you heard about us" section so that you know that you

00:44:27 ◼   ► came from the show you get 30 days of unrestricted use by going to freshbooks.com/connected

00:44:33 ◼   ► no credit card required for that trial at all thank you so much to Freshbooks for their

00:44:36 ◼   ► support of this show and Relay FM. Kevin wants to know which of us is Batman and which is

00:44:43 ◼   ► Robin? So I was thinking about this I think you would be Batman because you're way more

00:44:47 ◼   ► active than I am and probably stronger. I am out fighting crime at night. Yeah and I

00:44:52 ◼   ► don't do any of the crime fighting. And my voice sounds like Batman. That's true can

00:44:56 ◼   ► Can you just say it like I'm Batman?

00:44:58 ◼   ► I'm Batman.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Perfect.

00:45:00 ◼   ► Where's the trigger?

00:45:01 ◼   ► But you have your own answer.

00:45:04 ◼   ► I think Casey is Robin.

00:45:05 ◼   ► And we're both Batman.

00:45:06 ◼   ► There you go.

00:45:07 ◼   ► We share the Batman duties and Casey is our Robin.

00:45:10 ◼   ► No, no, that's a pretty good question.

00:45:13 ◼   ► The bigger question I think is, I'm going to deviate from the document, is if you, like

00:45:20 ◼   ► what superhero, I guess, who would you want to be?

00:45:25 ◼   ► to be yeah it feels I would be spider-man why cuz spider-man he his

00:45:31 ◼   ► powers aren't so much that they completely take over his life right it

00:45:36 ◼   ► like there are some superheroes where their superpower makes a physical change

00:45:41 ◼   ► to their life which is unwieldy like the thing right or like Superman is huge is

00:45:48 ◼   ► like this big huge guy spider-man she's a regular regular sized dude and he has

00:45:53 ◼   ► all these awesome powers has this strength ten times of his size right

00:45:58 ◼   ► which is awesome and he can web around the city and climb up walls I like it

00:46:02 ◼   ► Spidey sense every good spider-man is the one hmm what about you um I think

00:46:09 ◼   ► it probably be Batman because like Batman has no powers right he's just

00:46:14 ◼   ► like a rich guy with that I don't like about Batman oh we're just gonna move on

00:46:17 ◼   ► him um Chris asked cuz you're drinking water this time yep is there anything

00:46:23 ◼   ► you would like to talk about the upcoming year for relay that we should get excited about?

00:46:27 ◼   ► I think the only thing I can say that we're definitely gonna do

00:46:32 ◼   ► that is not giving anything away is a bigger relaycon.

00:46:37 ◼   ► Yes.

00:46:38 ◼   ► So there will be more than one relaycon event next year saying that we will be doing another

00:46:43 ◼   ► relaycon event in Atlanta for the Panadict, which was the first ever relaycon, and then

00:46:49 ◼   ► we will do another RelayCon WWDC during like in San Francisco for WWDC week and we will

00:46:57 ◼   ► get a bigger venue for that.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Yes.

00:47:00 ◼   ► And I would hope that we by the end of the year would be able to do one more.

00:47:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I would agree with all that.

00:47:05 ◼   ► You know San Francisco we had 150 tickets, we had 400 people on the waiting list currently.

00:47:09 ◼   ► I mean clearly we could go bigger.

00:47:12 ◼   ► We just wanted to start small, even that small event was expensive and we wanted to...

00:47:15 ◼   ► We needed to do something we could cope with.

00:47:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:18 ◼   ► you did an amazing job of it so I think I'm confident you got Batman's really

00:47:22 ◼   ► good at planning parties that's true that's that's what that is he's actual

00:47:25 ◼   ► superpower so Rosemary mentioned the London meetup was fun I'm not gonna say

00:47:32 ◼   ► this right now but I might try and do a show next year in London like a live

00:47:39 ◼   ► show yeah yeah I think it'd be fun because that's the thing we have meetups

00:47:42 ◼   ► and we have really calm yeah really calm as a show yeah meetups it's just when

00:47:47 ◼   ► we're hanging out. So by the way, I'm gonna be in New York this weekend. I'm gonna be

00:47:52 ◼   ► doing a little meet up in New York City on Sunday.

00:47:55 ◼   ► I can't make it.

00:47:56 ◼   ► No, you weren't invited.

00:47:58 ◼   ► Wow.

00:47:59 ◼   ► On Sunday, what is Sunday, the 21st?

00:48:02 ◼   ► Sure.

00:48:03 ◼   ► It's at noon, Eastern Time, New York Time at this place. I'm very, very, very set up

00:48:10 ◼   ► for this.

00:48:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:12 ◼   ► beer or beer authority I'll put a link to my tweet about this in the show notes

00:48:19 ◼   ► but I'm gonna be doing a little meet up in in New York's I'm gonna be in New

00:48:22 ◼   ► York this weekend so cool yeah so we do those and they're not really kind of

00:48:25 ◼   ► events but we're gonna try and do more relay con events so yeah you can look

00:48:31 ◼   ► out for those that's something that we know we're gonna do and it's not a big

00:48:34 ◼   ► surprise. Walker asked when you set metrics for a new show or goals do you

00:48:39 ◼   ► set the goals for downloads or sponsors or like for sponsor code uses or

00:48:45 ◼   ► something else so when we have a new show we don't set goals we don't say to

00:48:50 ◼   ► the hosts you have to hit 20,000 downloads for this show to exist because

00:48:57 ◼   ► there are many reasons to have a show not all of them audience size not all of

00:49:03 ◼   ► them a topic there's many reasons and a lot of the time for us it's like if it

00:49:07 ◼   ► feels right and we can handle a new show of that type

00:49:11 ◼   ► Or if you know, it's a topic everyone are going to so we don't set goals

00:49:15 ◼   ► We have metrics for each show that we consider to be a success for that show

00:49:20 ◼   ► like the level of which the pen addict is successful within its field is

00:49:26 ◼   ► Maybe greater than this show even though the audience is smaller

00:49:30 ◼   ► because if you think about the amount of people that there are that love pens and

00:49:35 ◼   ► then the amount of people that love pens that understand technology enough to

00:49:38 ◼   ► want to listen to a podcast about it we've probably got the majority of that

00:49:42 ◼   ► audience yeah where whilst this show is a success we don't have the majority of

00:49:46 ◼   ► the technology audience right so this show isn't as big as ATP right there was

00:49:50 ◼   ► room to grow there but I don't think there is any show in the world about

00:49:54 ◼   ► pens that is bigger than the pen addict so different shows have different goals

00:49:58 ◼   ► depending on that show so we don't have a specific metric that we set set fair I

00:50:03 ◼   ► think so yeah Graham asked what is the most terrifying and most exciting relay

00:50:09 ◼   ► related moment in the past year 100% really con is one of those things really

00:50:14 ◼   ► con San Francisco I was terrified yeah about everything 100% of the time but it

00:50:23 ◼   ► was also one of the greatest moments of my life like that whole thing doing all

00:50:27 ◼   ► of that it was just fantastic so yeah I think I think past really con I guess

00:50:33 ◼   ► longer than a year now but when we launched shows like Mac Power Users or

00:50:39 ◼   ► like the summer pilots that became Cortex and Rec. Diff's, I think those were

00:50:44 ◼   ► all big moments as well. Bringing Jeff to the network of

00:50:47 ◼   ► presentable isn't a whole one for me. Jeffrey Veen is such a

00:50:52 ◼   ► renowned person in his field in design. Having Jeff as part of the network

00:50:58 ◼   ► has been a really really great thing for me at the past year as well.

00:51:02 ◼   ► as a new show. I mean I love all of our shows but we're able to with presentable

00:51:08 ◼   ► break into some new new kind of worlds and and it's really renowned within the

00:51:16 ◼   ► design world like some of the people that he talks to like executives at

00:51:19 ◼   ► Facebook and Spotify somebody who works in the Hillary Clinton campaign. Yeah

00:51:22 ◼   ► that's amazing guest list. Yeah it's a totally different type of show somebody

00:51:26 ◼   ► said that it has a different feel which it does it does have a different feel

00:51:28 ◼   ► and that's completely on, Jeff is naturally very very good at this and if you're not listening

00:51:36 ◼   ► to presentable you should check it out because even if design isn't your thing so much it's

00:51:41 ◼   ► just fascinating discussion so that's been another cool thing for me this year.

00:51:45 ◼   ► I can't think what other shows have we launched this year, Free Agents is really good you

00:51:51 ◼   ► should go check out Free Agents that's the new show.

00:51:54 ◼   ► Canvas is a great addition.

00:51:57 ◼   ► Disruption was the rebrand from Isometric.

00:52:00 ◼   ► My word, it's less than or equal this year?

00:52:02 ◼   ► I feel like it's been in the last year.

00:52:05 ◼   ► That's a great show.

00:52:06 ◼   ► We're happy to have that on the network and have a lean.

00:52:08 ◼   ► Remaster was the rebrand from Virtual.

00:52:11 ◼   ► Thoroughly Considered.

00:52:13 ◼   ► Congratulations to the Studio Neat guys on the Glyph Kickstarter.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Top 4 and Under the Radar.

00:52:20 ◼   ► Under the Radar is coming up on a year.

00:52:24 ◼   ► it's been crazy I think we like doubled this year yeah just about that's not

00:52:28 ◼   ► gonna happen next year it can't yeah agreed I can't it's not that we wouldn't

00:52:32 ◼   ► want to we just can't there's that there's no way we could be able to

00:52:36 ◼   ► handle that so yeah I'm really happy I love all the shows that we've added in

00:52:39 ◼   ► the last year I think we have I mean as you would like to assume from making it

00:52:44 ◼   ► bigger but we have a very I think impressive stable and roster of shows

00:52:49 ◼   ► and hosts right now which actually brings me to a great question from

00:52:53 ◼   ► Yasmine is one of the hosts of material. Yasmine is great to ask this type of question and I'm pleased

00:52:59 ◼   ► that she did. What things are you doing to ensure your network is diverse and goes beyond white men

00:53:03 ◼   ► talking about Apple? So, there's a couple of things here I want to address. The Apple part of it,

00:53:08 ◼   ► that is just where our network centers and we have shows that break outside of Apple.

00:53:14 ◼   ► I think now we probably have, well we definitely have more shows that are focused on other things

00:53:19 ◼   ► other than Apple technology. But one of the things, the perceptions of people is that

00:53:24 ◼   ► the people that talk about whatever it is they're talking about, they tend to be focused

00:53:28 ◼   ► more in the Apple world. Like, like I can tell by the differences, has John Cercuso

00:53:31 ◼   ► on it? Yep. Top four has Marco on it. But Marco and Tiff never talk about Apple stuff.

00:53:37 ◼   ► So there is a, there is a perception, um, and that is just about changing the host that

00:53:42 ◼   ► we have. But there's also something to be said for fitting within a topic area, right?

00:53:48 ◼   ► like material has somebody who is a prominent iOS developer and a prominent

00:53:55 ◼   ► iOS commentator. So Russell and Andy are both still prominent in the

00:54:00 ◼   ► Apple world as well as in the Google world. So we're kind of in

00:54:04 ◼   ► that area. I'm not too fussed about really trying to break outside of that

00:54:09 ◼   ► but there are more important things in Yasmin's question for me like the

00:54:15 ◼   ► diversity part and the white and the men part so I think that we have made some

00:54:21 ◼   ► really great strides from a gender perspective we're not where we would

00:54:25 ◼   ► like to be we would like to be 50/50 or as close to 50/50 as we can be but we've

00:54:32 ◼   ► I think that I mean I'm gonna say this I believe that relay FM is better than the

00:54:38 ◼   ► tech podcast industry as a whole at gender diversity yeah but there's still

00:54:43 ◼   ► more that we want to do to try and get to our goal. We have been at 50/50 and then it's

00:54:47 ◼   ► diverged from that and then we're trying to get back closer to that again. So one of the

00:54:52 ◼   ► things that we do, and we're doing it now more than ever, is when we have new shows

00:54:56 ◼   ► in the works, we are looking at every decision that we make into how it will affect our diversity

00:55:04 ◼   ► balance. So we were talking about we had a new show that we were working on, a new idea.

00:55:10 ◼   ► This will have one host, most likely, and then maybe some contributors to it.

00:55:15 ◼   ► So we want the contributors to be diverse, and also if we bring this person in, and we

00:55:20 ◼   ► have them do this show, how will it affect our diversity balance, and what other changes

00:55:25 ◼   ► do we need to make to the network to then balance that out.

00:55:28 ◼   ► So right now, we have a show in the works that I'm going to be a part of, where we're

00:55:35 ◼   ► bringing in one new female host, and my other co-host will be female as well, so I love

00:55:39 ◼   ► to test which we've spoken about and there's been a pilot of that show. So that is bringing

00:55:43 ◼   ► a new woman to the network and also making one new show that has two female hosts. So

00:55:48 ◼   ► that's something that we're excited about. We're working with one other woman on a new

00:55:51 ◼   ► show and we have some ideas and some people that we're considering contacting in the near

00:55:56 ◼   ► future which are female to try and help balance that out. We then have to start thinking more

00:56:02 ◼   ► about our racial diversity but right now we're focusing on gender because it's the thing

00:56:06 ◼   ► that we can affect easiest quickest. So it's hard, it's really hard to find the balance

00:56:14 ◼   ► because we need to balance what we feel is right and what we know we can make money with

00:56:19 ◼   ► and the audience and the people that we're bringing in because frankly in our world of

00:56:23 ◼   ► technology there are more men than women and so this is something we have to try our best

00:56:28 ◼   ► to surface new talent, leverage people that have great audiences so we can build shows

00:56:34 ◼   ► around them and we're trying to balance it that way so it's super difficult I

00:56:39 ◼   ► hope that when you hear this you can hear how much we struggle with it and

00:56:43 ◼   ► how important it is to us and I hope that when you hear me talk about these

00:56:47 ◼   ► things you can see how important we do genuinely feel it is and how we believe

00:56:54 ◼   ► that we have a part to play to try and make it better yeah absolutely and we

00:56:59 ◼   ► didn't get it right at launch. No, it took us some time. And looking back,

00:57:04 ◼   ► that was wrong on our part and we continue to strive to do that. Thankfully the

00:57:10 ◼   ► world is different now in technology and this stuff is highlighted more and it is

00:57:16 ◼   ► through having people like Yasmeen on the network who do hold us to task and

00:57:20 ◼   ► whilst that is difficult it's something that I am very thankful that we have.

00:57:25 ◼   ► that we have people in our roster of hosts that look out for this stuff with

00:57:30 ◼   ► us and suggest it. I mean that's how we run as a company we love everybody to be

00:57:36 ◼   ► involved and to give their opinions and we it's important to us that we try and

00:57:40 ◼   ► make the best we can with that so thank you for that question Yasmin and I

00:57:44 ◼   ► hope that there is a suitable answer in there. Justin asked how do you keep shows

00:57:50 ◼   ► from getting stale or repetitive and Justin then complimented us that we do a

00:57:54 ◼   ► great job with this. I don't think there's a magic formula. I think it's

00:57:59 ◼   ► about feeling it. So you've got to be happy with what you're making and if

00:58:04 ◼   ► you're happy with what you're making then you're probably doing something to

00:58:06 ◼   ► try and keep it fresh. That's kind of how I feel about that. I would add to that

00:58:10 ◼   ► that a lot of our shows, like this show, Connected, has really moved from a tech

00:58:16 ◼   ► new show to a tech new show driven by personality and so people come to

00:58:21 ◼   ► connected to hear the news and hear what's going on, but also to hear our

00:58:25 ◼   ► take on it and to hear the interplay between the three of us who have been

00:58:29 ◼   ► doing the show for a long time together who are really close. And that in of

00:58:34 ◼   ► itself helps a show stay fresh because as our friendship evolves and as things

00:58:40 ◼   ► come up in life and as you went independent and I went independent and

00:58:45 ◼   ► Federico has taken on iOS reviews, like the way we frame things in the show has

00:58:49 ◼   ► changed and that has just allowed us to evolve the show sort of without any like

00:58:55 ◼   ► direct manipulation of what's going on it's just life has evolved and so the

00:59:00 ◼   ► show has evolved. The Release Notes Twitter account of the podcast and

00:59:07 ◼   ► conference asked as a Release Notes veteran what is Myke's advice for Steven

00:59:13 ◼   ► as he prepares for his talk? So very recently Steven was announced as a

00:59:17 ◼   ► a speaker at the release notes conference which I spoke at last year.

00:59:20 ◼   ► Hopefully I sound better. I just want to say I keynoted. Just saying. Look at me.

00:59:29 ◼   ► My advice to you Steven would be and this is to anybody who's giving any talks and

00:59:33 ◼   ► this will also be for you Kathy because Kathy Mrs. Super in the chat room is

00:59:36 ◼   ► gonna be speaking at all conference. Which is super awesome. Which I'm very excited

00:59:39 ◼   ► excited about. So my advice is give your talk to someone who films you.

00:59:50 ◼   ► Okay. Because you give it to somebody, one person is more scary than a group of

00:59:58 ◼   ► people. Yeah. And when they film you, you can watch it back which is horrific. I

01:00:03 ◼   ► bet. But it helps a lot. I would not suggest giving the talk to the person

01:00:09 ◼   ► that I gave mine to which was Grey.

01:00:10 ◼   ► - I'm not gonna do that.

01:00:11 ◼   ► - Don't do that, that's horrible.

01:00:13 ◼   ► Very useful, but horrible.

01:00:15 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:00:16 ◼   ► - So I say find somebody you trust,

01:00:19 ◼   ► somebody you trust that you know

01:00:23 ◼   ► will give you honest feedback.

01:00:24 ◼   ► - Right, he's not gonna candy code it

01:00:26 ◼   ► if you're not very good.

01:00:27 ◼   ► - That's why Grey was the right person for me,

01:00:29 ◼   ► because I trusted that he would tell me if it sucked.

01:00:32 ◼   ► - He will.

01:00:33 ◼   ► - But yeah, the filming part is good,

01:00:37 ◼   ► because it also adds a level of pressure to you as well.

01:00:40 ◼   ► So that would be my recommendation there.

01:00:43 ◼   ► - I'm super excited to be speaking.

01:00:45 ◼   ► Really, since it's a great conference last year,

01:00:47 ◼   ► like you said, your keynote is the first one.

01:00:49 ◼   ► It was the smoothest first conference

01:00:52 ◼   ► or event I've ever been to.

01:00:53 ◼   ► You would never know that it was their first time.

01:00:55 ◼   ► - It was amazing.

01:00:56 ◼   ► They looked after me,

01:00:58 ◼   ► they looked after everyone that was there.

01:00:59 ◼   ► They had some really great ideas.

01:01:01 ◼   ► I am very sad that I can't make it,

01:01:03 ◼   ► but it's just a bad time for me on the calendar.

01:01:06 ◼   ► But if you haven't got a ticket to release notes,

01:01:10 ◼   ► you should go.

01:01:11 ◼   ► It's good for app developers,

01:01:14 ◼   ► but it's also good for anybody that has their own business.

01:01:16 ◼   ► I learned some extremely valuable things that week.

01:01:20 ◼   ► - Me too.

01:01:21 ◼   ► - That are staying with me today,

01:01:22 ◼   ► just from people that are very smart

01:01:24 ◼   ► to talk about their business.

01:01:24 ◼   ► And just to say, we mentioned Steven is going there,

01:01:29 ◼   ► but Steven isn't the only really FM host

01:01:31 ◼   ► that's gonna be talking at release notes.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Christina Warren of Rocket will be there,

01:01:36 ◼   ► David Sparks of Free Agents and MacPow Users

01:01:39 ◼   ► will be there as well, as well as some other great folk

01:01:41 ◼   ► who are talking at the conference.

01:01:43 ◼   ► - It's nice too to go to some of these smaller events,

01:01:45 ◼   ► like all release notes, XOXO,

01:01:48 ◼   ► CocoaConf, Yosemite.

01:01:52 ◼   ► These events are really nice because WWDC is so busy.

01:01:56 ◼   ► And if you're a developer, you are in sessions.

01:02:00 ◼   ► And these conferences give you a chance to meet people

01:02:03 ◼   ► and to talk to people outside of a regimented schedule.

01:02:07 ◼   ► It's like Release Notes and XO and all these things

01:02:10 ◼   ► have downtime built into the schedule.

01:02:13 ◼   ► And you're supposed to mingle and meet with people.

01:02:15 ◼   ► And the people that I met at Release Notes,

01:02:17 ◼   ► people I met at XO last year who I'd only known from afar,

01:02:22 ◼   ► like on Twitter or something.

01:02:23 ◼   ► And you get to know them over a weekend at a conference,

01:02:26 ◼   ► and you leave as friends.

01:02:27 ◼   ► And that's really cool, and that's

01:02:29 ◼   ► That's what I'm looking forward to with release notes is hanging out with some people and

01:02:32 ◼   ► meeting new people.

01:02:33 ◼   ► And our final question this week comes from Jimmy and Jimmy asked, "How big do you see

01:02:37 ◼   ► with AFM in two years?"

01:02:39 ◼   ► I have literally no idea anymore.

01:02:42 ◼   ► We're bigger now than I thought we would be in two years, so I'm with you that I don't

01:02:47 ◼   ► really know.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Like Myke said, I don't think we're going to be doubling again as far as the number

01:02:51 ◼   ► of shows, but I do think, and we said this last year, and we've been doing it, pushing

01:02:56 ◼   ► into other topic areas.

01:02:58 ◼   ► So we've got liftoff, which is about space.

01:03:02 ◼   ► We had a material a while ago now,

01:03:04 ◼   ► but breaking out of that mold has been important to us

01:03:06 ◼   ► and we will continue to do that,

01:03:09 ◼   ► to move away from just covering Apple

01:03:12 ◼   ► and even consumer technology on the whole.

01:03:14 ◼   ► I think we're gonna start adding things to that.

01:03:17 ◼   ► And that's exciting to me.

01:03:19 ◼   ► And so I think for me, I don't think about relay size

01:03:24 ◼   ► anymore about the number of shows

01:03:25 ◼   ► a number of hosts but the number of like topic areas or communities that Relay is

01:03:31 ◼   ► a part of and for me I think that that will continue to to grow. Oh Lucas just

01:03:37 ◼   ► asked in the chat room. Really the last question. I was hoping someone would ask

01:03:40 ◼   ► this how do we come up with a name? It was terrible. There was multiple days of

01:03:46 ◼   ► fighting trying to come up with names. We were together for part of it yeah and

01:03:50 ◼   ► then you went home and it continued. Still couldn't come up with one that we

01:03:53 ◼   ► both liked and then that we both liked and was available domain wise right and

01:03:59 ◼   ► I couldn't remember how we learned on relay FM until recently when our

01:04:06 ◼   ► designer Frank suggested he reminded me that it was his suggestion relay FM was

01:04:12 ◼   ► his idea because we were so stuck at that point that we asked for his help

01:04:16 ◼   ► and he came up with the name relay FM because it fit the things that we were

01:04:19 ◼   ► looking for audio based technology based there are answers in both and then the

01:04:25 ◼   ► the idea of the relay the things being passed from person to person like topics

01:04:30 ◼   ► being passed from person to person the shows kind of all having a link between

01:04:34 ◼   ► them all and that's any company between us yeah you know with the times are

01:04:38 ◼   ► different so we had a name before that we both liked in hindsight it would've

01:04:43 ◼   ► been limiting well we didn't do it it would have been designed limiting yeah

01:04:47 ◼   ► but it was a trademark issue where it was not available and so we went with

01:04:53 ◼   ► Relay and I have no regrets about that choice. No I like it I love it it's a

01:04:57 ◼   ► word that exists that you can spell. One of the things that I think has changed a

01:05:03 ◼   ► lot is we were very set at the start that we would always refer to it as Relay FM

01:05:07 ◼   ► always refer to it as Relay FM and very quickly we started just referring to the

01:05:11 ◼   ► company as Relay which is fine I don't think it's bad I don't think it's wrong

01:05:15 ◼   ► but it was just funny that we were so set on it,

01:05:17 ◼   ► it was always gonna be Relay FM.

01:05:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:20 ◼   ► - And then I think within the first couple of days,

01:05:21 ◼   ► we both just started calling it Relay.

01:05:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I try to, when I write as the company.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - When I write, it's always Relay FM.

01:05:27 ◼   ► - But yeah, just in conversation, it kind of becomes Relay,

01:05:29 ◼   ► and that's fine.

01:05:30 ◼   ► And you know, we get called on the press Relay.fm,

01:05:35 ◼   ► which that one does bother me, but I can't control it,

01:05:37 ◼   ► so what are you gonna do?

01:05:40 ◼   ► - So before we wrap up today,

01:05:41 ◼   ► I just wanted to mention again

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01:06:02 ◼   ► just do this into August, we have so many that we may actually be bleeding over into

01:06:05 ◼   ► September a little bit now which is amazing. So the Connected one is up. Connected was

01:06:08 ◼   ► the first one and we've also as of today we have posted Analogue and Bonanza and today's

01:06:14 ◼   ► one as we record this is the cortex upgrade crossover which I am so proud of.

01:06:19 ◼   ► It is amazing. We did a text adventure in the wild west there is a trailer that's

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01:07:11 ◼   ► Alright, we'll be back next week. Is Federico back next week?

01:07:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I think we're recording late in the week.

01:07:18 ◼   ► Yeah, so he'll be back from vacation, so we'll be back together as a three, provided

01:07:22 ◼   ► that Steven gets through whatever this is, and that I come back alive from New York.

01:07:28 ◼   ► My arm hasn't fallen off. If you want to find the show notes for this week, head on

01:07:32 ◼   ► over to relay.fm/connected/104. Thanks again to our great sponsors for this week's episode,

01:07:40 ◼   ► the fine folk over at Freshbooks, Pingdom and Squarespace.

01:07:44 ◼   ► If you wanna find Steven online, he is @ismh on Twitter.

01:07:48 ◼   ► I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.

01:07:50 ◼   ► Steven writes over at 512pixels.net.

01:07:53 ◼   ► And I am @mikewasright.com sometimes.

01:07:57 ◼   ► Thank you so much to everyone that listens to this show,

01:08:00 ◼   ► has been listening to this show over the 104 episodes,

01:08:03 ◼   ► and the now two years that we've been doing this thing.

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01:08:17 ◼   ► I can't tell you how much it means to me

01:08:20 ◼   ► that we're able to do this.

01:08:22 ◼   ► And it's purely because all of you out there

01:08:24 ◼   ► decide that you wanna tune in to listen to us.

01:08:26 ◼   ► So thank you so much and we'll be back next time.