Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 100.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by 123 Notetaker.

00:00:14 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined, as always,

00:00:17 ◼   ► by Mr. Federico Vatici.

00:00:18 ◼   ► Ciao Federico.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - Ciao Myke, how are you today?

00:00:22 ◼   ► - I'm great, thanks, Tixi.

00:00:23 ◼   ► And I'm also joined by your friend and mine,

00:00:25 ◼   ► Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Howdy Steven.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Howdy Myke.

00:00:28 ◼   ► I'm so excited for today's episode

00:00:29 ◼   ► that we should just jump straight into follow-up.

00:00:32 ◼   ► But first let me boot one of my 13 iMacs

00:00:35 ◼   ► so I can really get the flavor of this ancient K-base.

00:00:38 ◼   ► And speaking of K-base, this ancient K-base is actually--

00:00:40 ◼   ► (upbeat music)

00:00:43 ◼   ► - From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 100.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Hover

00:00:54 ◼   ► and TextExpander from Smile.

00:00:56 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and guys, we did it.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Mr. Steven Hackett, congratulations on episode 100.

00:01:02 ◼   ► - Feels pretty good, right?

00:01:03 ◼   ► Nice round number.

00:01:04 ◼   ► - We finally made it to a 100.

00:01:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, the prompt in, never did that.

00:01:08 ◼   ► - Nope, we did now.

00:01:09 ◼   ► Federico, you are here too, 100 episodes under our belt.

00:01:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm really happy it doesn't seem real.

00:01:16 ◼   ► It's a big milestone, guys.

00:01:17 ◼   ► I feel like we're podcast professionals at this point.

00:01:22 ◼   ► We are people familiar with the matter of podcasting

00:01:26 ◼   ► because we reach 100 episodes so congrats, cheers and let's do the show.

00:01:33 ◼   ► The clap scores are going up, I can feel it.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Is this the last episode or are we still going to carry on?

00:01:38 ◼   ► No, we're still going.

00:01:40 ◼   ► Are we still friends even after 100 episodes?

00:01:43 ◼   ► I don't know, it's like you know when you watch a TV show like Friends, right, and it's

00:01:47 ◼   ► a really long running thing and you end up becoming so attached to them that you wish

00:01:51 ◼   ► they were friends.

00:01:52 ◼   ► Or like the Mythbusters, you know the Mythbusters weren't friends and it always makes me sad

00:01:55 ◼   ► to think that. So I feel like we should just leave an air of mystery around it and just

00:02:01 ◼   ► not let anybody know if we're friends or not. Maybe we're just super professionals and we're

00:02:04 ◼   ► just really good at acting like we're friends.

00:02:06 ◼   ► That's kind of sad but I can live with it, okay.

00:02:09 ◼   ► I mean one of the reasons that we might not be friends anymore is something like #TGMNT!

00:02:14 ◼   ► Why? That's awesome! Why is it a problem?

00:02:18 ◼   ► I don't know, well it depends what you think about the applications that I have pulled

00:02:22 ◼   ► Okay. I have I've gone through the #teachimenti hashtag from last week. This is with the beginning

00:02:30 ◼   ► of Federico's mentorship program that we were talking about because Federico dreamed of being

00:02:34 ◼   ► a mentor for his business cards. So I have picked out some people who have put their applications

00:02:39 ◼   ► with the hashtag #teachimenti. Okay. Wolfgang, Wolfgang needs pasta guidance under the mentorship

00:02:46 ◼   ► program. Is this included in the package? Will you teach people about how to cook pasta,

00:02:51 ◼   ► what pasta to eat, that kind of thing. Is that going to be included in the

00:02:54 ◼   ► Techie Teaches Mentorship Program?

00:02:57 ◼   ► Well, I mean, pasta is an essential element to the well-being of someone who wants to study

00:03:05 ◼   ► the program because you gotta eat food to continue living, of course. And I feel like

00:03:12 ◼   ► the best food to have energy and mental clarity is pasta. So, of course, pasta guidance would be

00:03:20 ◼   ► included in the package and I appreciate that Wolfgang said no pineapples just

00:03:25 ◼   ► tomatoes and I feel like Wolfgang is making a good point. I'm not putting

00:03:31 ◼   ► pineapples in pasta I'm not going that far. Well someone is somewhere in the

00:03:36 ◼   ► world that someone may making pasta with pineapples I mean if they make pizza at

00:03:40 ◼   ► this point the you know the damage is already done someone is surely making

00:03:44 ◼   ► making pasta with pineapples.

00:03:45 ◼   ► Pumpkins good in pasta.

00:03:47 ◼   ► No.

00:03:48 ◼   ► It is.

00:03:49 ◼   ► No.

00:03:50 ◼   ► Yeah it is.

00:03:51 ◼   ► Yeah it is.

00:03:52 ◼   ► So...

00:03:53 ◼   ► Pumpkins are good for Halloween and that's about it.

00:03:55 ◼   ► So yes, Wolfgang.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Pasta is included in the package.

00:03:59 ◼   ► I would also like to just say Wolfgang instead because I like that and just in case he is

00:04:03 ◼   ► Wolfgang I just wanted to say that because I like doing that.

00:04:07 ◼   ► Chase wants to learn blogging from you Federico and I wondered is blogging a skill that can

00:04:14 ◼   ► be taught or are you born with the ability to blog?

00:04:17 ◼   ► No it's a skill that you learn and that you need to practice every day for a long time

00:04:22 ◼   ► and it depends on I guess the kind of blog that you want to have so when I started I

00:04:29 ◼   ► want to make stories to be more like dozens of articles every day and to always be on

00:04:35 ◼   ► the tech news beat and to do breaking news, rumors, that kind of stuff.

00:04:42 ◼   ► But with time I figured that it wasn't what I wanted to do, I wanted to have a more relaxed

00:04:50 ◼   ► and sort of analytic approach maybe.

00:04:53 ◼   ► And so I shifted the kind of website that I have to be, in terms of quantity, to be

00:05:00 ◼   ► smaller than other websites.

00:05:01 ◼   ► But definitely blogging, especially when it comes to the tools that you need to use, the

00:05:06 ◼   ► decisions that you make and to not fall for the new technology that comes out, that locks

00:05:12 ◼   ► you in and then after a couple of years it's gone and you ended up with a blog that is

00:05:18 ◼   ► based on a CMS that is no longer supported and you don't know what to do.

00:05:22 ◼   ► So there's a lot of things to understand about blogging, especially if it's a tech blog or

00:05:26 ◼   ► a video game blog or a music blog.

00:05:29 ◼   ► The landscape has changed in the past few years, especially with Medium and people taking,

00:05:34 ◼   ► sort of doing more video updates instead of articles with YouTube and that kind of stuff.

00:05:41 ◼   ► But definitely blogging, it's something that you need to learn, that you can learn, you

00:05:47 ◼   ► need to learn blogging.

00:05:49 ◼   ► So this feels like it's going to be a cornerstone of the mentorship program.

00:05:52 ◼   ► Absolutely, especially because it's great that you're able to share updates on Twitter or Snapchat, whatever,

00:06:02 ◼   ► but I feel like having a permanent blog, a space where you can type words and direct people to a link, to a page where they can read you,

00:06:11 ◼   ► with an RSS feed, I'm kind of a traditionalist in this sense, I feel like having a blog is a key element of the program.

00:06:21 ◼   ► blogging and food definitely. So first up two applications, really good ones.

00:06:26 ◼   ► Okay, Reed missed the point and wants to dress up as a manatee. Is this accepted?

00:06:32 ◼   ► It can be a mascot I guess. You can dress up as a manatee, I do.

00:06:38 ◼   ► It's a pretty terrible mascot. I mean mascots are supposed to be like aggressive and exciting.

00:06:43 ◼   ► A manatee is neither of those things.

00:06:45 ◼   ► I bet a manatee could be aggressive. You know there's a David Attenborough documentary out there

00:06:50 ◼   ► where there is an aggressive manatee. You just know it, like eating a penguin or something.

00:06:53 ◼   ► It's not like... Can a manatee bite you? I don't know. Is it an aggressive animal?

00:06:59 ◼   ► I mean anything can bite you, you know? Not anything. Pretty much. Anything that lives

00:07:04 ◼   ► can bite you. I just don't see like a bunch of people cheering for the manatee team. How

00:07:09 ◼   ► do you dress up as a manatee and a mascot? Basically you just look like a big grey underwater

00:07:14 ◼   ► potato. It's a terrible mascot. Joel wants to learn Italian and I wondered

00:07:19 ◼   ► if Italian is a required language for your mentorship program?

00:07:23 ◼   ► No, it's not.

00:07:25 ◼   ► Not because I don't have pride in my country, but especially because it's a very limited

00:07:32 ◼   ► population.

00:07:33 ◼   ► And, you know, I got a lot of criticism when I switched my stories from double languages,

00:07:41 ◼   ► so it started as a blog in Italian and in English.

00:07:44 ◼   ► And then after a few months I just decided to do it all in English.

00:07:50 ◼   ► And the first few months I got a lot of people emailing me and making fun of me on Twitter

00:07:55 ◼   ► because I was, you know, kind of like the pretentious Italian who wanted to write in

00:07:58 ◼   ► English.

00:07:59 ◼   ► And to be fair my English was kind of terrible back then and I still need to improve of course

00:08:04 ◼   ► because it's not my first language.

00:08:06 ◼   ► But you know there's only 60 million people living in Italy and everyone else doesn't

00:08:13 ◼   ► live in Italy and people abroad don't speak Italian. So it's a fancy language to learn,

00:08:19 ◼   ► you know, especially Italy is a beautiful country, so when you come in Italy if you

00:08:23 ◼   ► can speak a bit of Italian, or if you know Italian and you want to speak Italian abroad,

00:08:28 ◼   ► it can give you that little exotic, fascinating sort of tone to your persona, but it's not

00:08:34 ◼   ► a required language for the program.

00:08:36 ◼   ► Is Python a required language for the program?

00:08:38 ◼   ► No, honestly not. You're free to use your preferred programming language of choice,

00:08:44 ◼   ► whether it's Python or Swift or Objective-C. I'm not too fussy about the language that

00:08:48 ◼   ► you want to use.

00:08:50 ◼   ► Jake wants to apply for the program. Jake already works you at MacStories. Does this

00:08:54 ◼   ► help his chances?

00:08:58 ◼   ► I don't know why Jake did this.

00:09:00 ◼   ► I don't know how much higher he could get in the program than he currently already is,

00:09:04 ◼   ► but...

00:09:05 ◼   ► and we talk every day and I feel like Jake is already part of the program.

00:09:10 ◼   ► Do you think that Jake is maybe signaling here that as a boss you're not really a mentor?

00:09:14 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Oh wow.

00:09:17 ◼   ► Oh.

00:09:19 ◼   ► I'm not sure how I want to reply to that, Myke.

00:09:22 ◼   ► I feel like Jake just wanted to be out there with the hashtag and wanted to be part of

00:09:28 ◼   ► the conversation, but Jake is in many ways the perfect candidate for the program because

00:09:34 ◼   ► he emailed me a few months ago and we started talking and then we started, you know, let's

00:09:38 ◼   ► do something together, why don't you write for Max Stories and then we invited over to

00:09:42 ◼   ► Slack and...

00:09:43 ◼   ► So is that all you need to do to work for Max Stories, just email you?

00:09:46 ◼   ► Well most of the time, yeah, what do you want to do, come knock at my house and say yeah,

00:09:50 ◼   ► what am I for Max Stories?

00:09:51 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Yeah, it might help, I don't know, it shows initiative at least.

00:09:54 ◼   ► No, that's creepy, please don't do that.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:09:57 ◼   ► Jake has it right because you are paying him to be in the program.

00:10:01 ◼   ► Oh!

00:10:02 ◼   ► I think people would pay the mentor if there's money exchange.

00:10:06 ◼   ► I mean, obviously you're doing this out of the goodness of your own heart.

00:10:08 ◼   ► But you know, if you were like a

00:10:11 ◼   ► productivity guru on the side of a mountain, people would pay money to come see you.

00:10:14 ◼   ► But Jake is making money and being potentially mentored. I think Jake's doing it right.

00:10:21 ◼   ► See, that's what he meant, basically. Jake doesn't want me to pay him anymore. So thank you Jake.

00:10:28 ◼   ► That's so kind of him, isn't it?

00:10:30 ◼   ► You're saving me money now.

00:10:31 ◼   ► It's really sweet of him.

00:10:34 ◼   ► And also, we spoke about the importance of pasta.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Simba wanted to understand if the ways of Titti Espresso would be taught as part of

00:10:42 ◼   ► your mentorship program.

00:10:44 ◼   ► Is this another cornerstone of the program, Espresso?

00:10:47 ◼   ► Of course.

00:10:48 ◼   ► Simba is, according to his tweet, a long-time AeroPress user.

00:10:54 ◼   ► And let me tell you, Simba, there's no AeroPress in the program.

00:10:59 ◼   ► The only real coffee of course is espresso.

00:11:01 ◼   ► And...

00:11:02 ◼   ► Don't you do that, Myke.

00:11:04 ◼   ► AeroPress makes espresso, it's just not the espresso that you are used to having served here.

00:11:08 ◼   ► That doesn't make any sense.

00:11:10 ◼   ► Yes it does.

00:11:11 ◼   ► It's like...

00:11:12 ◼   ► No, no, it doesn't...

00:11:13 ◼   ► AeroPress makes espresso.

00:11:14 ◼   ► The espresso machine makes espresso.

00:11:16 ◼   ► No.

00:11:17 ◼   ► Not the AeroPress.

00:11:18 ◼   ► No, there are other ways to make espresso rather than an espresso machine that you have.

00:11:21 ◼   ► It's like people when they go to the lake and they say "I went to the beach".

00:11:24 ◼   ► No, you do not go to the beach, you went to the lake.

00:11:28 ◼   ► the same thing Myke. The beach is by the sea, the lake is the lake.

00:11:32 ◼   ► People are telling me in the chatroom that it's not espresso. Well, you can make espresso.

00:11:37 ◼   ► The internet tells me that you can make espresso. The internet is wrong, Myke.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Well, well, okay. Well, who knows. So what's the next step for the program?

00:11:47 ◼   ► Well, this is all on you. I mean, I've given people what they're looking for out of the

00:11:52 ◼   ► program. I've given you some real candidates here. So now it's all on you, Federico. You've

00:11:58 ◼   ► got to spin up this thing, apply for some grants and stuff to help pay for it all.

00:12:04 ◼   ► I feel like I need some artwork or some landing page done.

00:12:08 ◼   ► Yeah, well we have a domain which can be pointed towards anything you need and we can move

00:12:14 ◼   ► on from there. I'm excited to see where this mentorship program is going to go next. So

00:12:19 ◼   ► #teachmente.

00:12:22 ◼   ► What's the domain name?

00:12:24 ◼   ► So teachmente.com.

00:12:25 ◼   ► No, I think it's Mentor Stories.net.

00:12:28 ◼   ► Steven knows the website.

00:12:30 ◼   ► It is MentorStories.net.

00:12:32 ◼   ► MentorStories.net.

00:12:33 ◼   ► MentorStories.net.

00:12:34 ◼   ► So you go there and you'll find everything you need for the mentorship program conducted

00:12:39 ◼   ► by Federico Vittucci.

00:12:42 ◼   ► On last week's episode it turned out that Federico was a prophet, if you remember.

00:12:47 ◼   ► He predicted multi-pad life.

00:12:50 ◼   ► But we have had another prophecy told in an earlier episode of The Prompt.

00:12:57 ◼   ► In episode number 54, we were talking about...

00:13:02 ◼   ► I think we were just talking about the Android Wear watch.

00:13:05 ◼   ► I think that was what the episode was about.

00:13:08 ◼   ► And Luke had written in that at around 38 minutes, me and Steven joined forces to create

00:13:16 ◼   ► the prophecy of how you will be able to unlock a Mac with your Apple Watch.

00:13:23 ◼   ► So this is the idea of using things that the phone can be aware of contextually to not

00:13:31 ◼   ► then need to provide you with the need to put your key in.

00:13:36 ◼   ► So like for example to put your passcode in or to put some sort of unlock code in.

00:13:43 ◼   ► could maybe unlock your phone by wearing your smartwatch or something like that.

00:13:48 ◼   ► Any sort of Bluetooth device that you have attached to you.

00:13:52 ◼   ► There was a OS X app, an iOS-like app that did this, right?

00:13:58 ◼   ► I think that sort of thing is really pretty cool and you could see Apple could do that

00:14:02 ◼   ► with the continuity and handoff stuff because the devices starting this fall will know much

00:14:07 ◼   ► more about each other and I for one would like that if I'm near my computer and I walk

00:14:12 ◼   ► up to it that I had the option to unlock it based on proximity I think it could

00:14:15 ◼   ► be really nice. I think it just goes to show that while Federico is a truly

00:14:23 ◼   ► gifted digital prophet if you will. No no. Clearly his skills have rubbed off on us

00:14:29 ◼   ► over time. Yeah and I think that really the three of us should go into some sort

00:14:34 ◼   ► of digital prophecy network like maybe maybe we could lay in a pool of water on

00:14:41 ◼   ► our backs and predict the future. Yeah, yeah, I like this. And like different

00:14:45 ◼   ► technology CEOs, they come to us and we tell them what we think is gonna happen

00:14:50 ◼   ► in the future. And we could have precognitive thoughts about their

00:14:53 ◼   ► technology. What you want to do is to host your own Burning Man event. Yeah,

00:15:01 ◼   ► that's a good idea. There's going to be like tents and there's going to be like people in

00:15:05 ◼   ► some kind of desert, maybe you know some kind of landscape across Texas, I don't

00:15:10 ◼   ► I don't know, and all the CEOs and people from big companies can go there and use different

00:15:19 ◼   ► tools and substances, if you will, to follow the event and then listen to your predictions.

00:15:26 ◼   ► I think that's good.

00:15:28 ◼   ► We'll get right on that.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Let's not do the relay con again and let's do this kind of event instead.

00:15:32 ◼   ► It's a natural pivot.

00:15:34 ◼   ► On it.

00:15:35 ◼   ► I just wanted to mention, obviously we are at episode 100 today, which is one of those

00:15:38 ◼   ► times when you look back.

00:15:40 ◼   ► So I would just like to encourage people to continue looking back through our archives

00:15:44 ◼   ► over the prompt and connected and continue to let us know about all of the things that

00:15:49 ◼   ► we got right because I am almost certain that there are many, many, many more.

00:15:57 ◼   ► What's the expression?

00:15:58 ◼   ► Even a wrong mic.

00:16:00 ◼   ► A broken mic is predicting things correctly once every little while.

00:16:04 ◼   ► I think it's that.

00:16:05 ◼   ► It's something like that.

00:16:06 ◼   ► A broken mic is right across 100 episodes.

00:16:09 ◼   ► Yep, all the time.

00:16:11 ◼   ► So there's a hashtag all about it.

00:16:13 ◼   ► If you remember last week, I've done all the follow-up this week.

00:16:17 ◼   ► This is the change in episode 100. I'm continuing.

00:16:19 ◼   ► No!

00:16:20 ◼   ► No, I'm continuing.

00:16:21 ◼   ► It's all I had.

00:16:22 ◼   ► Austin Evans did a great video, I'm not letting you do it,

00:16:24 ◼   ► about the mechanical iPad keyboard case from Razer.

00:16:27 ◼   ► So you can go and see.

00:16:29 ◼   ► I don't really know what to think about this thing.

00:16:31 ◼   ► It's kind of what I expected.

00:16:33 ◼   ► it's clicky-clacky and the stand looks good.

00:16:37 ◼   ► There's a part of me that's like, "Oh, that looks nice,

00:16:39 ◼   ► "but I don't want the big thick keyboard attached

00:16:42 ◼   ► "to my iPad when really the, what is it called?

00:16:45 ◼   ► "Do I have the smart cover?

00:16:47 ◼   ► "Smart keyboard case?"

00:16:48 ◼   ► - Smart keyboard, Myke. - Smart keyboard.

00:16:49 ◼   ► - Smart keyboard.

00:16:50 ◼   ► I'm not joking, I cannot remember the names of this product.

00:16:54 ◼   ► - You should get that checked out by your physician, Myke.

00:16:56 ◼   ► - It's too late, it's too late for me now.

00:16:59 ◼   ► That's already enough from weight and thickness.

00:17:02 ◼   ► I wouldn't want to bolt a keyboard to the side of my iPad but I mean it looks like if

00:17:06 ◼   ► you do want to type on it a bunch like if you take your if you're writing your next

00:17:11 ◼   ► novel or something and you want to take your iPad down to the coffee shop to write on it

00:17:14 ◼   ► it looks like maybe a more pleasant keyboard to people that are more used to writing keyboards

00:17:19 ◼   ► than then with what the smart cover keyboard can do what do you think Stephen you can say

00:17:26 ◼   ► something you're allowed to talk but you just can't drive the follow-up that's this is harsh

00:17:31 ◼   ► I mean it's fine. I think that iGuthia thinks people are gonna be like the keyboard.

00:17:34 ◼   ► The whole thing seems kind of janky like it has a kickstand which

00:17:37 ◼   ► is sort of laughable until you realize that you can adjust the pitch of the screen.

00:17:42 ◼   ► So like in the smart keyboard you're locked to that one angle.

00:17:45 ◼   ► But it seems like the whole thing is a little bit sloppy. Like the keyboard and the

00:17:49 ◼   ► top case can come apart so you can like set your iPad

00:17:52 ◼   ► further back if you want to. And it's all held together by magnets and

00:17:57 ◼   ► in his video Austin is like sliding them over each other and it comes apart and

00:18:00 ◼   ► it just seems like it could use a little more refining, but the keyboard, which is the important part,

00:18:05 ◼   ► seems pretty good. So I think Jason Snell bought one, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he thinks.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Jason and I have, I generally agree with his comments on keyboards, so I'm curious to see how he feels about it.

00:18:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got to say that the adjustable viewing angles is something I would really want.

00:18:26 ◼   ► It frustrates me. What frustrates me the most is the viewing angles are completely different on the 12 9 and the 9 7 with the keyboard cases

00:18:34 ◼   ► This is completely different

00:18:37 ◼   ► Absolutely 100% different like the 12 9 leans way more back like to the point that I don't put the 9 7 in the

00:18:43 ◼   ► like where you have the keyboard behind and it's kind of standing up like a regular smart cover because

00:18:49 ◼   ► As I said before the 9.7 is basically a like vertical

00:18:53 ◼   ► Like it's just like straight up and it falls over. I don't like it. So yeah, they're completely different which is very frustrating for me

00:19:01 ◼   ► Steven was on an episode of Mac power users

00:19:04 ◼   ► talking about old Macs probably

00:19:06 ◼   ► We talked a lot about the behind the scenes

00:19:10 ◼   ► Relay the network is in just a month is gonna be turning two years old

00:19:14 ◼   ► So we kind of talked through some of that some of the business end of it

00:19:17 ◼   ► So if you're curious about how relay works kind of behind the scenes

00:19:20 ◼   ► The first half of the episode is really about that.

00:19:23 ◼   ► And the second half of the episode is...

00:19:27 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:19:28 ◼   ► The second half of the episode is really

00:19:30 ◼   ► looking at my work at Five

00:19:30 ◼   ► looking at my work at Five

00:19:53 ◼   ► because as digital profits we could influence the Mac Power users in naming our episodes

00:19:59 ◼   ► the same.

00:20:00 ◼   ► Episode 331 is called "Steven Hackett, Collector of Macs."

00:20:03 ◼   ► Episode 317 is called "Myke Hurley, Collector of iPads."

00:20:07 ◼   ► Those Mac Power users, crew, there are some smart cookies over there.

00:20:11 ◼   ► It's true.

00:20:12 ◼   ► And the last piece of whole lot this week...

00:20:14 ◼   ► Myke, you have...

00:20:15 ◼   ► I won't let you do it.

00:20:16 ◼   ► I won't let you do it.

00:20:17 ◼   ► I know you want to and I won't let you.

00:20:19 ◼   ► Last piece of whole lot this week, this is kind of like what Steven and Jason did with

00:20:23 ◼   ► with Liftoff, they did a pilot episode that went out as a B-side when they were kind of

00:20:27 ◼   ► trying to work out the show format. I have done a pilot episode of a show called "I

00:20:32 ◼   ► Love to Test" which I'm working on with Adina Nemsu and Tiffany Arment and we have,

00:20:38 ◼   ► we're not ready to launch the show yet, we still got a lot of work that we want to

00:20:41 ◼   ► do on it but we've all been playing Pokemon Go, obviously, so we decided that this felt

00:20:46 ◼   ► like a really good kind of pilot-y type thing, we could just the three of us get together,

00:20:51 ◼   ► We all play Pokemon Go and we talk about it and at the end we write as to whether we want

00:20:55 ◼   ► to keep testing it out or whether it's become something that we love or whether it's something

00:20:59 ◼   ► that we hated.

00:21:00 ◼   ► I love to test is a kind of a show where we will test anything from apps to Airbnb experiences

00:21:07 ◼   ► to weird Amazon stuff, anything.

00:21:09 ◼   ► So go and check it out, see if you like the format, we're working on it and I hope that

00:21:13 ◼   ► you enjoy it.

00:21:14 ◼   ► And that's it.

00:21:15 ◼   ► It'll be in the show notes, but it's on our B-Sides feed, relay.fm/b-sides, not a good

00:21:21 ◼   ► URL /22 but it will be in our show notes which are easier to find because it's connected

00:21:26 ◼   ► /100 this week. So it's easy to find. Steven I don't like that b-size URL but there's nothing

00:21:32 ◼   ► to do about it now maybe or maybe you can fix it. Too bad dude. Maybe you can fix it.

00:21:36 ◼   ► I could do 301s. You should do 301s to it. I don't know what that means but you should

00:21:40 ◼   ► do it. It's literally two lines of code I can't I cannot be bothered. That makes me

00:21:44 ◼   ► sad it's because I took the follow-up away isn't it? It is. Never mind. Alright let's

00:21:48 ◼   ► Let's take a break and thank our first sponsor of this week's episode and that is Hover.

00:21:54 ◼   ► We love Hover.

00:21:55 ◼   ► I actually have a page open, I have a tab open right now at Hover to buy some one, two,

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00:22:01 ◼   ► We were talking a little bit earlier in the show about MentorStories.net.

00:22:06 ◼   ► That is a Hover domain that Steven purchased I think whilst we were recording the show

00:22:10 ◼   ► last week.

00:22:11 ◼   ► Hover is so easy to go in and just buy domains super quickly.

00:22:16 ◼   ► That's what I really like about them because when all you need is just that domain or email

00:22:20 ◼   ► address for a joke to play on your friend or for a project that you're working on or

00:22:24 ◼   ► whatever, there's always a reason that you just want to get through that process as quickly

00:22:27 ◼   ► as possible.

00:22:29 ◼   ► That's what hover gives you because you don't have to opt out of page after page of add-ons

00:22:32 ◼   ► and stuff that you don't have to look at or read.

00:22:34 ◼   ► They give you everything you need, right?

00:22:37 ◼   ► Who is privacy?

00:22:38 ◼   ► Which is what keeps your personal information private.

00:22:41 ◼   ► You have to give all of your personal information to register a domain name like your email

00:22:45 ◼   ► address, phone number and home address but this can be published online basically if

00:22:49 ◼   ► you don't have whois privacy.

00:22:51 ◼   ► Hover know this which is why they enable it for free on every domain you just get it lumped

00:22:55 ◼   ► in you don't need to ask for it they just do it which is totally the way you should

00:22:58 ◼   ► do it with anything domain related that's what I love about them.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Hover believe you don't have to pay for things that you should already have included in the

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00:23:11 ◼   ► Go and find the perfect domain name for your next idea or for that great joke you want

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00:23:21 ◼   ► Go to hover.com, use the promo code Bondai, Bondi Bondi, which one was it?

00:23:26 ◼   ► Was it Bondi?

00:23:27 ◼   ► It was Bondi, right?

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00:23:33 ◼   ► We're really going classic in the jokes there.

00:23:36 ◼   ► B-O-N-D-I Bondi.

00:23:38 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Hover for their support of this show and Relay FM.

00:23:42 ◼   ► I actually don't remember, was it Bondi?

00:23:45 ◼   ► Yes.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Okay.

00:23:47 ◼   ► I can feel the rage building inside of you.

00:23:51 ◼   ► All of Australia being angry at you.

00:23:53 ◼   ► So why don't you take over now?

00:23:54 ◼   ► I can't be trusted anymore.

00:23:55 ◼   ► Thank you!

00:23:56 ◼   ► That's about...

00:23:57 ◼   ► Mm.

00:23:58 ◼   ► Mm.

00:23:59 ◼   ► Stood to my responsibilities.

00:24:00 ◼   ► So we wanted to check in with Federico on his review and this really was spurned by

00:24:05 ◼   ► by a tweet that you had yesterday showing a screenshot of what I believe is Scrivener.

00:24:11 ◼   ► So, how's the review going? Are you using Scrivener for it? How's that process going

00:24:17 ◼   ► these days?

00:24:18 ◼   ► Well, the review is going great, I think. I'm making better progress than last year

00:24:25 ◼   ► by this time. I'm a little over halfway through. And before you freak out when I tell you the

00:24:32 ◼   ► word count, keep in mind that I will cut down a lot. The last year I removed about

00:24:38 ◼   ► 7,000 words from the final product, so when I tell you that I'm about 25,000

00:24:45 ◼   ► words in, don't, do not freak out yet, because there's going to be, there's

00:24:50 ◼   ► going to be a lot of editing, so...

00:24:52 ◼   ► Dude, people are going to write blog posts about that length, you know?

00:24:56 ◼   ► I feel like I've already read like 15,000 of those words.

00:24:59 ◼   ► Yeah, so I was gonna say, I've seen it all.

00:25:01 ◼   ► So I've been sending Myke and Steven little snippets of sections just to get an idea if

00:25:09 ◼   ► they like the direction that I'm going.

00:25:13 ◼   ► And since the last five days, basically I'm mostly alone every day for ten days because

00:25:22 ◼   ► my girlfriend is busy at a dance event in Rome.

00:25:25 ◼   ► So I wake up at 10am, by 11am I start writing and I stop writing at my 8pm.

00:25:32 ◼   ► I just eat lunch and I do some exercise but then I'm always writing.

00:25:37 ◼   ► And I was able to go from 5 or 6 thousand words last week to 25 thousand since Friday

00:25:45 ◼   ► or Saturday.

00:25:46 ◼   ► So I'm really going for it and that's why the reason why is I prepared a lot of research

00:25:52 ◼   ► beforehand I had a lot of notes and I had of course a lot of thoughts and hot

00:25:57 ◼   ► takes I guess by September they will no longer be hot but you know it will be

00:26:03 ◼   ► warm takes. Tepid takes? Warm takes? I don't know so yeah I as you can see

00:26:11 ◼   ► warm takes. I have a lukewarm take on this. As you can see from the screenshot I switched to

00:26:21 ◼   ► Scrivener. Of course you did! So there's a lot of background here, Myke, and a lot of backstory and a lot of

00:26:27 ◼   ► back and forth with the Scrivener developers. So I told you guys about my

00:26:33 ◼   ► questions and concerns with using Ulysses and whether it was able to scale for this kind of project.

00:26:39 ◼   ► And what I realized... We should say, Scrivener for iOS is like imminent, right?

00:26:44 ◼   ► Coming out tomorrow. Coming out tomorrow. And it's a fantastic iOS version of Scrivener.

00:26:49 ◼   ► It doesn't have all of the features of the Mac app, but it's, I would say, 80% the Mac

00:26:57 ◼   ► version on iOS.

00:26:58 ◼   ► It's super powerful, it lets you do almost everything you can do on the Mac.

00:27:03 ◼   ► And it's got a lot of features, of course, and it works great on the iPad Pro, it's on

00:27:07 ◼   ► the iPhone.

00:27:08 ◼   ► So my concerns for Ulysses were mostly about the fact that I wanted to split up my review

00:27:17 ◼   ► in different documents and different folders, if you will.

00:27:22 ◼   ► And in Ulysses I could do that with multiple sheets.

00:27:25 ◼   ► But then when I was looking at Scrivener and I realized I could do different kinds of groupings,

00:27:31 ◼   ► so I could do folders, I could do documents with sub-documents, and I could also apply

00:27:36 ◼   ► some visual indicators for each document to visually tell me the state of a document.

00:27:46 ◼   ► So for example, in the document list in Scrivener, which is called the Binder, you can have labels

00:27:53 ◼   ► for documents.

00:27:56 ◼   ► And I came up with this color-based organizational system that I use to show me visually which

00:28:05 ◼   ► documents I need to tackle next.

00:28:08 ◼   ► So the documents that I'm working on are labeled with a yellow color.

00:28:14 ◼   ► And so when I'm looking at the binder and when I'm looking at my mind map in iThoughts

00:28:19 ◼   ► in Split View, I can look at the map, look at the topics, take a look at the binder,

00:28:24 ◼   ► see what's next, and I can concentrate on that.

00:28:28 ◼   ► But the real benefit is how I can embed research inside the same Scrivener project.

00:28:35 ◼   ► And unlike Ulysses, which only lets you add notes or images to a sheet, you can have a

00:28:41 ◼   ► a root level research folder in Scrivener where you can put any kind of file.

00:28:45 ◼   ► You can put PDFs, photos, videos, documents from other apps.

00:28:49 ◼   ► How do you get them into Scrivener?

00:28:52 ◼   ► Document pickers.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Is it a document picker or you open document pickers?

00:28:55 ◼   ► You tap an icon, brings up a list of document providers.

00:29:01 ◼   ► You choose it and you import the file.

00:29:03 ◼   ► Could I be looking at a screenshot and add it to Scrivener,

00:29:06 ◼   ► like in the photos app, or do you have to be in Scrivener and bring things in?

00:29:10 ◼   ► Well, in iOS 10 you can because there's a new extension for iCloud Drive.

00:29:15 ◼   ► Well, actually no, because Scrivener doesn't work as a document provider, so what you need

00:29:20 ◼   ► to do is a workflow that takes the image and uses OpenIn to send it to Scrivener.

00:29:24 ◼   ► You can use the OpenIn menu to...

00:29:27 ◼   ► I would like to recommend, there is an episode of Canvas, which is a great show that Federico

00:29:32 ◼   ► does with Pharesis Spears, if you are completely baffled about what I'm talking about with

00:29:37 ◼   ► document providers here, with pickers and providers and why they're different.

00:29:40 ◼   ► It's episode number two of Canvas, it will be in the show notes. That is the only reason I

00:29:44 ◼   ► understand this in any way because I listen to Fraser and Federico explain it

00:29:48 ◼   ► to me because it is mind-numbingly confusing.

00:29:51 ◼   ► So I started putting all of my PDF documents and screenshots into Scrivener

00:29:57 ◼   ► and the great thing is you can go crazy with multiple levels of folders and

00:30:02 ◼   ► nested documents. So in the research folder, which is the default location for

00:30:07 ◼   ► research material, I added a master folder called screenshots and then subfolders

00:30:13 ◼   ► for apps. So like Apple Music or Home Screen, Lock Screen, Safari. And inside

00:30:20 ◼   ► each folder there's images labeled with a beta version they were taken on. So I

00:30:25 ◼   ► have like Apple Music, Download, Dialogue, Beta 2.

00:30:29 ◼   ► How would you have previously collected this stuff?

00:30:34 ◼   ► It was a mess. In the Photos app, there was no tagging, I was constantly losing screenshots,

00:30:40 ◼   ► and I was constantly making, creating notes, referencing a screenshot that I later needed to find manually into the Photos app.

00:30:49 ◼   ► It was terrible, and I was wasting a lot of time.

00:30:52 ◼   ► This way I can have the same project but it's split into two different sections,

00:31:00 ◼   ► the draft of the review and the research material.

00:31:03 ◼   ► And the research material I can organize by folder, I can organize by beta,

00:31:07 ◼   ► and I can reference at any time because there's a feature called Quick Reference

00:31:11 ◼   ► that allows you to basically create a split view inside Scrivener,

00:31:16 ◼   ► so you can have a PDF or a screenshot by the left side and a document by the right side.

00:31:21 ◼   ► But that's not even the best part.

00:31:23 ◼   ► Scrivener is not a markdown text editor. It's mostly a rich text writing application.

00:31:32 ◼   ► You can export as markdown, which I'll get to in a minute, but the core writing experience is meant for rich text.

00:31:38 ◼   ► And it's not just like bold and italics and lists. You can do text highlights, color text, inline footnotes,

00:31:49 ◼   ► and of course all kinds of other indentation stuff.

00:31:54 ◼   ► The text highlight was intriguing to me because when I'm writing a document,

00:31:59 ◼   ► especially when it's July and we're just at Beta 3 and there's going to be more Betas coming out,

00:32:05 ◼   ► some stuff is going to change by September.

00:32:08 ◼   ► But I need to write now.

00:32:10 ◼   ► And because I'm writing now, I need to have placeholders for stuff that is a bug in the current Beta,

00:32:17 ◼   ► or that I will need to add at a later stage because I need to try apps or because I need to wait for betas,

00:32:23 ◼   ► or even we're trying to have a different layout for the review of Mac Stories this year, if possible,

00:32:30 ◼   ► so I'm marking sections or paragraphs that I would want to have with a special layout on the website,

00:32:39 ◼   ► I'm highlighting them in green.

00:32:41 ◼   ► I'm highlighting stuff that will need to be revised in yellow and I'm highlighting bugs

00:32:49 ◼   ► and problems that I need to look over again in the future beta in red.

00:32:53 ◼   ► Finally, I'm leaving placeholders for images highlighted in blue.

00:32:58 ◼   ► So when I'm looking at the document now, the result is I can see my text, which is of course

00:33:03 ◼   ► black on white page, but then I see all of these different colored placeholders, so at

00:33:09 ◼   ► a glance I know okay this section has a lot of yellow sentences which means I

00:33:15 ◼   ► need to write more content or this section has a bunch of red highlights

00:33:19 ◼   ► that means there were bugs and I need to try this functionality again or if I see

00:33:24 ◼   ► a lot of blue stuff I know well there's going to be a lot of screenshots in here

00:33:27 ◼   ► so this kind of... Why is this different when Scrivener though like this

00:33:32 ◼   ► highlighting like what about Scrivener is helping you do this and maybe

00:33:36 ◼   ► your applications can't, like Word? Well because I don't like Word first, you know,

00:33:41 ◼   ► and Word doesn't let me export as Markdown and it doesn't let me organize

00:33:47 ◼   ► you know the research stuff and the documents like in Scrivener.

00:33:51 ◼   ► Can you explain the exporting as Markdown a little bit because if I'm

00:33:55 ◼   ► following this correctly, I obviously haven't tried Scrivener, it's not a

00:33:59 ◼   ► a markdown app like Ulysses?

00:34:03 ◼   ► Basically,

00:34:04 ◼   ► you have different export options which include plain text, rich text and PDF.

00:34:12 ◼   ► A new

00:34:13 ◼   ► screen reader support for this markup language called... I'm not sure about

00:34:17 ◼   ► how you pronounce that, it's called YAML maybe. It's spelled YAML and it's a

00:34:24 ◼   ► way to add

00:34:26 ◼   ► to create a template for exporting a document with meta tags.

00:34:30 ◼   ► And Scrivener also has an option called Convert Basic Markdown,

00:34:36 ◼   ► which only works for some rich text content such as bold and italics.

00:34:42 ◼   ► It doesn't work for block quotes and lists, which I'll explain...

00:34:46 ◼   ► - What about links? - Supports links, Myke.

00:34:49 ◼   ► And footnotes. So the most important stuff,

00:34:52 ◼   ► you know, bold italics, footnotes, and links

00:34:54 ◼   ► are the elements that I add most often in my review.

00:34:58 ◼   ► So those elements are converted from rich text to markdown.

00:35:03 ◼   ► And the thing about Screener is

00:35:06 ◼   ► I got in touch with the developer

00:35:08 ◼   ► and he was super responsive

00:35:09 ◼   ► about this implementation of meta tags.

00:35:13 ◼   ► So he came up and he told me how to do it

00:35:16 ◼   ► with this syntax to modify the standard template

00:35:21 ◼   ► so that when I export my review, it starts from an H2 header in HTML or Markdown,

00:35:29 ◼   ► you know, the two pound signs before a section, you know, the two hashes.

00:35:34 ◼   ► I don't want to start from H1 because H1 is the title of the review.

00:35:39 ◼   ► So all my sections need to start from H2 and go deeper in the nested levels,

00:35:45 ◼   ► so H3, H4, sometimes H5.

00:35:48 ◼   ► If you're feeling crazy.

00:35:49 ◼   ► when I do subsections.

00:35:51 ◼   ► And I needed to modify the template for that,

00:35:53 ◼   ► which I cannot do in other apps.

00:35:55 ◼   ► And the screen reader developers were kind enough

00:35:57 ◼   ► to tell me how to do that with a template modification.

00:36:01 ◼   ► And as soon as I saw that, and as soon as I understood

00:36:03 ◼   ► that the only problems would be block quotes and lists,

00:36:08 ◼   ► I was like, you know, I don't care.

00:36:10 ◼   ► I can automate that later workflow.

00:36:12 ◼   ► I can do some cleanup of the markdown text.

00:36:15 ◼   ► - So you'll just do some like find them a place type stuff.

00:36:17 ◼   ► Exactly. I will do some final replays with some rejects at the end.

00:36:21 ◼   ► And everything else, the research, the rich text, the way that I can organize my review,

00:36:29 ◼   ► collapse sections when I'm done with them, or expand them when I need to get back into

00:36:33 ◼   ► a sub-document, the way that I can scroll documents, glance at the colors, and know

00:36:39 ◼   ► "Okay, I need to do more work here", that's amazing. That's frankly amazing.

00:36:43 ◼   ► And I almost didn't...

00:36:46 ◼   ► You know, last week I was super skeptical about Scrivener,

00:36:50 ◼   ► but then I spent two days playing with it, and then I just started writing.

00:36:54 ◼   ► And I really think I've been keeping this good pace, good progress,

00:37:01 ◼   ► because my writing tool isn't slowing me down.

00:37:05 ◼   ► And I'm not trying to fiddle with it to make it work for me,

00:37:09 ◼   ► because once I set it up, you know,

00:37:11 ◼   ► I have my shortcuts for text highlights,

00:37:13 ◼   ► I have my shortcut for footnotes, and I'm done.

00:37:16 ◼   ► I don't need anything else.

00:37:18 ◼   ► - Dave in the chat room is asking,

00:37:20 ◼   ► are you writing in rich text or are you writing in markdown?

00:37:23 ◼   ► - I'm writing in rich text.

00:37:26 ◼   ► The only markdown that I keep is plain text,

00:37:28 ◼   ► basically inside the,

00:37:30 ◼   ► so it's like writing in markdown inside pages.

00:37:32 ◼   ► The only two elements that I'm keeping in plain text

00:37:35 ◼   ► are the blog quotes and the lists.

00:37:38 ◼   ► That's why by the end I will need to do some find and replace because Crevener does some character escaping with

00:37:44 ◼   ► With a major sign for block quotes in markdown, but that's no big deal

00:37:49 ◼   ► I already have the rejects in workflow that does the find and replace for me

00:37:53 ◼   ► Is it weird to not be writing in markdown?

00:37:56 ◼   ► Well, it's not weird because I got used to it with Ulysses

00:37:59 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, because you already had to change your markdown way of life anyway, right? Because it uses its own language system thing

00:38:06 ◼   ► You know, I really got into the mindset of I want to have markdown at the end.

00:38:13 ◼   ► I don't particularly care about having markdown as I'm writing, because unless you have some crazy

00:38:20 ◼   ► automation like editorial or bbedit on the Mac, plain text slows you down.

00:38:25 ◼   ► You know, you need to type

00:38:27 ◼   ► brackets or you need to manually do the footnotes and the scrolling, go to the bottom of the document, go back to the top.

00:38:33 ◼   ► So unless you have an automation environment set up, any other markdown tax editor slows you down and I can afford that.

00:38:40 ◼   ► So after months of Ulysses, you know, they do similar things with the bold and the bold

00:38:46 ◼   ► formatings and the italics and especially the links and the footnotes.

00:38:49 ◼   ► So it was no big deal to switch to Scrivener in that sense.

00:38:53 ◼   ► But as long as I can have markdown at the end and as long as I can do some, you know,

00:38:57 ◼   ► call up the workflow extension and do my find your place with the rejects, I'm okay.

00:39:03 ◼   ► So yeah, it's been going really well. I'm finishing up the messages section now,

00:39:10 ◼   ► which is one of the three big ones. I would say messages, Siri and notifications are the three big ones.

00:39:19 ◼   ► And I've done many many other medium ones, so like, well, lock screen and widgets actually was a big one, so that's done.

00:39:27 ◼   ► I will need to do design, but I want to wait for later betas because I feel like Apple is still kind of

00:39:33 ◼   ► finalizing the design changes that I want to have on iOS 10.

00:39:37 ◼   ► I need to do Apple music, but that's gonna be fun because music is fun. And then it's gonna be everything else.

00:39:42 ◼   ► CallKit and the other extensions. I need to wait for developers to send me betas.

00:39:48 ◼   ► If there's going to be betas, I don't know.

00:39:52 ◼   ► I'm confident that by Saturday when I will stop being alone every day and when we plan

00:39:59 ◼   ► to go on vacation after that, I'm confident that I will be in a better position than last

00:40:05 ◼   ► year.

00:40:06 ◼   ► So it sounds like Scrivener is giving you a bunch of tools at once.

00:40:10 ◼   ► You have almost some layout stuff.

00:40:12 ◼   ► You have status, you have research, and you have your writing.

00:40:16 ◼   ► Which is like, that's really attractive to me.

00:40:18 ◼   ► I'm not doing anything long-form like you are at the moment but I can see how

00:40:23 ◼   ► a system like this could be useful where you're running around keeping up with

00:40:27 ◼   ► stuff like in your to-do list or in Dropbox and subfolders like having it

00:40:31 ◼   ► all in one place does seem attractive.

00:40:34 ◼   ► How is the the sync working out? I've read some stuff about the Scrivener syncs

00:40:38 ◼   ► packages on Dropbox are not using iCloud.

00:40:41 ◼   ► Is that been good for you or you just using it on one iPad and just letting the

00:40:46 ◼   ► the syncing just be your backup?

00:40:48 ◼   ► - No, I'm using it on every device.

00:40:50 ◼   ► And I feel like the fact that there's no automatic syncing,

00:40:54 ◼   ► you need to hit a sync icon manually.

00:40:56 ◼   ► It's making me more disciplined

00:40:59 ◼   ► in the sense that I'm sitting down,

00:41:01 ◼   ► I write a section, and every time I hit save.

00:41:05 ◼   ► It's not as convenient as modern stuff,

00:41:10 ◼   ► but it's also very sort of a classic environment

00:41:15 ◼   ► in the sense that, okay, I'm writing and I need to save it.

00:41:18 ◼   ► And also I have this workflow that every time I compile

00:41:23 ◼   ► the draft, because I wanna look at it,

00:41:25 ◼   ► in addition to the Scrivener package in Dropbox,

00:41:28 ◼   ► I compiled the entire contents of the draft

00:41:33 ◼   ► and I save it in a text file also in Dropbox.

00:41:37 ◼   ► And I'm also saving it in iCloud Drive,

00:41:39 ◼   ► just to make sure that I have redundancy

00:41:41 ◼   ► for all of my backups.

00:41:43 ◼   ► Speaking of compiling, just a quick note,

00:41:46 ◼   ► one of the benefits of organizing documents in folders

00:41:50 ◼   ► in Scrivener, in the binder,

00:41:51 ◼   ► is in addition to compiling the entire document,

00:41:54 ◼   ► so looking at the total word count,

00:41:56 ◼   ► you can compile the contents of a folder, just a folder.

00:42:00 ◼   ► So when I was writing the messages section yesterday,

00:42:03 ◼   ► I felt like I was writing a little too much,

00:42:07 ◼   ► and so I compiled the contents of the messages folder,

00:42:10 ◼   ► and I was able to see the word count from all of the documents contained in the messages folder,

00:42:16 ◼   ► pulled together, and a total word count just for that section, which is very useful,

00:42:21 ◼   ► and I've never been able to do the same in other text editors.

00:42:24 ◼   ► So, I had many concerns about using a tool that's meant for book writers, or screenplays, that kind of stuff,

00:42:34 ◼   ► whether it could work for an IAS review, but as it turns out, I have many of...

00:42:39 ◼   ► I share a lot of the same problems as people are writing novels or you know any other long manuscript because that's what it is

00:42:47 ◼   ► right and

00:42:48 ◼   ► So to to be able to have these tools to organize my work and to navigate my work and to embed research

00:42:55 ◼   ► into the same project

00:42:56 ◼   ► I feel like it's really helping me out and I think the progress that I made in the past in the past week is

00:43:03 ◼   ► picked by itself

00:43:04 ◼   ► I'm not paying attention to the text editor, I'm just writing and I'm letting the text editor help me instead of me

00:43:12 ◼   ► taking care of the app.

00:43:14 ◼   ► It's the other way around and it feels great because I can just sit down and get to writing, look at the labels.

00:43:19 ◼   ► For example today I was looking at my sidebar.

00:43:23 ◼   ► The iMessage apps document was highlighted in yellow from the night before and I was like, yep,

00:43:30 ◼   ► I need to get this done today. So, you know.

00:43:33 ◼   ► I've been very very disciplined guys. I feel like I'm a grown-up now.

00:43:38 ◼   ► So if I'm following this properly, Scrivener is not your text editor now?

00:43:43 ◼   ► No, no, no, it's still Ulysses. It's still on my home screen.

00:43:47 ◼   ► It's what I need to use for Cloud Max stories and it's what I want to use because-

00:43:52 ◼   ► Because you have a bunch of automation stuff built into Ulysses.

00:43:56 ◼   ► I have a lot of automation and really, Scrivener doesn't work for, you know, blog posts and that kind of stuff.

00:44:02 ◼   ► I'm using Scrivener just for the iOS 10 review.

00:44:05 ◼   ► Because basically the iOS 10 review is a book.

00:44:08 ◼   ► Like it is book length and it has chapters and sections and everything.

00:44:12 ◼   ► It's effectively a book which is what Scrivener is built for, right?

00:44:16 ◼   ► I'm trying to be... I'm trying to have it be shorter than last year.

00:44:21 ◼   ► So last year it was about 45...

00:44:23 ◼   ► I don't mean just in word count though.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I mean just like in the approach of the project. - Structurally.

00:44:28 ◼   ► Yeah, structurally.

00:44:29 ◼   ► It is, it is, yes.

00:44:30 ◼   ► There's chapters with sections and subsections.

00:44:35 ◼   ► And it's like a long process of lots of iteration.

00:44:38 ◼   ► Like it is effectively, you know, the skeleton of what it is, right?

00:44:42 ◼   ► It is writing like a nonfiction book.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Yeah, because there's also like I don't have characters, of course, in the in the book.

00:44:51 ◼   ► There's a few fictional elements which Myke knows about.

00:44:54 ◼   ► Don't spoil it. I'm not going to.

00:44:57 ◼   ► There's a few fictional elements as examples.

00:45:00 ◼   ► But I don't have characters, but I have this folder called "Big Themes"

00:45:06 ◼   ► where I'm keeping track of the underlying takeaways from the review.

00:45:13 ◼   ► So recurring ideas or topics or problems that I developed throughout the entire review

00:45:20 ◼   ► and that by the end I should ring together in a cohesive and hopefully good conclusion.

00:45:28 ◼   ► We'll see how it goes.

00:45:30 ◼   ► What does Scrivener cost?

00:45:32 ◼   ► It's $20.

00:45:33 ◼   ► And is it just an iPad app?

00:45:35 ◼   ► iPad and iPhone.

00:45:36 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

00:45:37 ◼   ► Yeah, really, it's an impressive app.

00:45:40 ◼   ► And I know that it took them a few years to get it done.

00:45:44 ◼   ► And my understanding is that by the end--

00:45:46 ◼   ► Basically, from as long as the iPad has existed,

00:45:49 ◼   ► this app has been working in some way.

00:45:51 ◼   ► It's become like a meme, you know?

00:45:53 ◼   ► By the end of the process, the developer, Keith--

00:45:57 ◼   ► I don't remember the last name, was kind of fed up with the delays and he just took it

00:46:02 ◼   ► upon himself to finish the iOS app.

00:46:05 ◼   ► And they have updates planned and they're super responsive, like they fix all of my

00:46:09 ◼   ► problems, they give me a list of fantastic suggestions for Markdown.

00:46:15 ◼   ► I'm really happy.

00:46:16 ◼   ► Again, I'm using it just for this project, just for the iOS 10 review, and I don't recommend

00:46:25 ◼   ► it for blog posts unless they're really long. I don't feel bad going with two text editors

00:46:32 ◼   ► on my devices, if only because I don't see Scrivener as a text editor. I see it as the

00:46:39 ◼   ► book writing application and it's a word processor maybe, I don't know. But Ulysses is my text

00:46:45 ◼   ► editor and Scrivener is what I do with the iOS Turner View.

00:46:48 ◼   ► Alright, well, exciting stuff man. I'm happy you found a new tool. What the perfect time to come along for something like this for you?

00:46:57 ◼   ► Yeah, really it's, I feel like, you know, we're past the first half of July, so this is really the key, a key moment for me.

00:47:08 ◼   ► I need to finish the most important sections right now. I can keep the conclusion, I can keep the

00:47:15 ◼   ► everything else section. Also there's something that I want to ask you guys and maybe our listeners.

00:47:24 ◼   ► I'm thinking of doing... you know how I used to do before I decided to do full-on reviews? I used to do

00:47:32 ◼   ► separate articles for a new version of iOS. I used to do a story and I used to

00:47:37 ◼   ► do tips and tricks. Now I'm thinking of having a, before the conclusion, having

00:47:45 ◼   ► some kind of TLDR section where I relist all of the tidbits and the tips and

00:47:53 ◼   ► tricks from the main review that you might have missed or if you just want to

00:47:58 ◼   ► see those. Could be fun, could be interesting, could be useful to people.

00:48:03 ◼   ► You should definitely do that.

00:48:06 ◼   ► What I'm doing now is, I forgot to mention this, when I'm writing and I realized that I mentioned

00:48:11 ◼   ► maybe a little known feature or a little detail,

00:48:16 ◼   ► I highlight it in orange. So when I'm going through the first

00:48:21 ◼   ► reading of the draft, I can see that that's a candidate for the "too long

00:48:26 ◼   ► and read section. Maybe there's gonna be a final section before the

00:48:30 ◼   ► conclusion, I don't know, we'll see.

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00:50:31 ◼   ► I forgot to mention, guys, I have a favor to ask to our listeners.

00:50:37 ◼   ► So if any developer was working on an iMessage app or a SiriKit app, but especially the iMessage

00:50:43 ◼   ► ones. If you're listening to this right now, I'm looking for examples of iMessage apps

00:50:50 ◼   ► and I have a few questions to ask about the new messages framework and how you can implement

00:50:56 ◼   ► interactive messages and collaborative messages in iOS 10. So feel free to send me an email

00:51:03 ◼   ► or send me a tweet and I would be really happy to be able to ask these questions.

00:51:09 ◼   ► So you're looking for not stickers, you're looking for people that are using the iMessage

00:51:13 ◼   ► frameworks to build apps.

00:51:15 ◼   ► Apps can also present sticker browsers, but not just sticker packs, iMessage apps.

00:51:21 ◼   ► And then what you do with the iMessage app, I don't care, as long as it's not a sticker

00:51:26 ◼   ► pack.

00:51:27 ◼   ► So, yeah.

00:51:28 ◼   ► It's kind of confusing to explain, iMessage apps can also be stickers.

00:51:32 ◼   ► But yeah, iMessage apps with the Messages framework, not the sticker pack.

00:51:37 ◼   ► Matt Barney wrote in and he sent us a link to a YouTube video which highlights an implementation

00:51:44 ◼   ► of 3D Touch on the iPad Pro with the use of the Apple Pencil.

00:51:49 ◼   ► So currently this is only showing in the notification center view.

00:51:53 ◼   ► You can press hard on the little X and you can clear all notifications.

00:51:58 ◼   ► Now this is completely useless just to be in this part of the OS only that one little

00:52:03 ◼   ► thing but what it is showing, whether purposefully or not, maybe the code is just left in, it

00:52:09 ◼   ► hasn't been removed in the most recent beta, but it is showing a way that Apple can implement

00:52:14 ◼   ► 3D Touch on the iPad Pro. Interesting, right?

00:52:18 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. And it's the only instance where the Apple Pencil is being used to replicate 3D

00:52:24 ◼   ► Touch. I've tried to 3D Touch all of the things on my iPad Pro and it's the only place where

00:52:30 ◼   ► you can really apply pressure and you can change the level of the force that you apply on the screen

00:52:37 ◼   ► and you can see the clear icon zooming in and out.

00:52:41 ◼   ► So it's the only place where it works.

00:52:43 ◼   ► And I'm not sure whether it's a bug or it's a single feature.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Well, it can't be a bug, right? Because it works.

00:52:51 ◼   ► I guess it can be a bug or maybe there's just like one single engineer who really wanted this feature.

00:52:56 ◼   ► But that's peculiar, I think.

00:52:59 ◼   ► I wonder if we're looking at the first indication of Apple trying to bring 3D Touch to the iPad via the Apple Pencil,

00:53:09 ◼   ► given the lack of a real 3D Touch, so to simulate the interaction of 3D Touch without a 3D Touch-enabled display,

00:53:17 ◼   ► using the force mechanism and the different levels of pressure of the Apple Pencil in the iOS SDK.

00:53:25 ◼   ► I don't know. I guess developers, in theory, should also be able to do this right now if they want to.

00:53:32 ◼   ► It's just odd to see it in a system feature. Because you cannot do the same anywhere else.

00:53:39 ◼   ► So if you try to press on an icon on the home screen, you're not going to get the quick actions.

00:53:44 ◼   ► You're just going to get wiggling mode. So we'll see. I don't know. Maybe it goes away.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Maybe it stays. Maybe there's an expansion of this 3D touch-like interactions with the Pencil. It's interesting.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Initially I was worried, right?

00:53:56 ◼   ► I mean, it has been long documented,

00:53:58 ◼   ► my love of being able to use the Apple Pencil

00:54:00 ◼   ► to interact with UI and navigate the operating system.

00:54:03 ◼   ► So initially I was like, oh, they're making some change,

00:54:05 ◼   ► that's bad for me.

00:54:06 ◼   ► But if Apple do implement this, this is actually good for me.

00:54:09 ◼   ► This is validation of the Pencil being used

00:54:11 ◼   ► to interact with your user interface, right?

00:54:13 ◼   ► - Right, yeah.

00:54:14 ◼   ► - Like if this is a thing that is brought in,

00:54:17 ◼   ► well, they have to keep my feature

00:54:19 ◼   ► 'cause it would be crazy otherwise, right?

00:54:21 ◼   ► You'd be using your finger and your Pencil

00:54:22 ◼   ► at the exact same time. It would be really weird. So I think that this kind of validates the UI

00:54:27 ◼   ► navigation continuing to remain.

00:54:29 ◼   ► It's basically Johnny saying Myke was right.

00:54:33 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Well, I think it's clever

00:54:36 ◼   ► and we've spoken a lot about 3D touch and the iPad being weird.

00:54:39 ◼   ► Maybe it's a problem with the size of the display and

00:54:42 ◼   ► technical issues there.

00:54:43 ◼   ► But putting in the pencil is sort of a genius move, right? It is. You can already

00:54:47 ◼   ► do pressure sensitivity and I don't have a problem

00:54:50 ◼   ► with them tying it to a hardware accessory.

00:54:52 ◼   ► At first, my first reaction was like,

00:54:54 ◼   ► oh, it's kind of gross, you have to have a pencil for that.

00:54:57 ◼   ► But if you look at the other devices, the iPhones,

00:55:02 ◼   ► like it's only available on some of them.

00:55:04 ◼   ► If you buy a new iPhone, they have 3D Touch.

00:55:07 ◼   ► And so it's, you know, I think it's fine.

00:55:08 ◼   ► I do think it's a worthwhile experiment on Apple's part

00:55:12 ◼   ► because for 3D Touch to really take off,

00:55:16 ◼   ► and I would argue that it really hasn't

00:55:18 ◼   ► the way that Apple maybe wanted it to.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Like it has to be available on more

00:55:21 ◼   ► devices and if you can't do 3D touch on

00:55:24 ◼   ► the iPad for whatever reason for mics

00:55:26 ◼   ► you know it's going to topple over a reason

00:55:28 ◼   ► for like technical issues whatever the

00:55:29 ◼   ► problems are you have to figure

00:55:32 ◼   ► it out and a big part of that in iOS 10

00:55:36 ◼   ► is all the widget stuff and you have

00:55:38 ◼   ► like the short look and long look sort

00:55:40 ◼   ► of metaphor and to have 3D touch even if

00:55:43 ◼   ► it's through a hardware accessory is

00:55:45 ◼   ► key for like iOS 10 to sort of make sense

00:55:48 ◼   ► in places and Apple's clearly leaning into 3d touch in new ways. So I think

00:55:53 ◼   ► it's good I agree with you that they shouldn't screw with the UI stuff in

00:55:58 ◼   ► fact in the YouTube video the guy attempts to pull down the notification

00:56:01 ◼   ► center with the pencil which I try to do all the time because you can't grab the

00:56:05 ◼   ► edges of the display with it but um I just sort of chuckled because I find

00:56:09 ◼   ► myself making that error. It's more than just the display edges like there's this

00:56:13 ◼   ► weird like level of kind of meta UI like for example you can't act you if you've

00:56:21 ◼   ► got devices if you've got two apps in split view and you hit that little thing

00:56:24 ◼   ► in the middle to detach them the pencil can't do that like it's anything related

00:56:29 ◼   ► to the stuff that comes in from the sides interacting with it and it just it

00:56:34 ◼   ► just doesn't do it used to do it you used to do some little parts of it but

00:56:38 ◼   ► when they made the changes they completely removed all of that stuff

00:56:41 ◼   ► which I don't care about, it doesn't bother me, but it's just an interesting thing.

00:56:45 ◼   ► Apple doesn't want the Pencil doing that sort of meta UI.

00:56:49 ◼   ► Yeah, you just got to get used to what it can and can't do.

00:56:53 ◼   ► But I don't think this is by accident.

00:56:57 ◼   ► I mean, I guess it could be, but I don't think it is. I think it's maybe them

00:57:00 ◼   ► experimenting with this, and I think it's a nice addition.

00:57:03 ◼   ► And I think having it as the clear all button is sort of a funny way to introduce it.

00:57:07 ◼   ► Since I was five, I've complained about not having

00:57:11 ◼   ► a clear all button in Notification Center.

00:57:13 ◼   ► Is that on the iPhone Federico?

00:57:15 ◼   ► With 3D Touch.

00:57:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:17 ◼   ► Yeah, of course.

00:57:18 ◼   ► Okay, I didn't know.

00:57:19 ◼   ► I don't remember that.

00:57:20 ◼   ► Yeah, like on the Apple Watch, yeah.

00:57:22 ◼   ► Okay, that's great.

00:57:23 ◼   ► I don't have the beta on my phone yet.

00:57:25 ◼   ► No, neither do I.

00:57:26 ◼   ► I think it's a good move.

00:57:28 ◼   ► I hope that it expands.

00:57:30 ◼   ► While we're on the topic of iOS 10, can we talk about the widgets for a minute?

00:57:36 ◼   ► Like I'm just really struggling with iOS 10 widgets on my iPad.

00:57:41 ◼   ► What's your idea here, Stephen?

00:57:45 ◼   ► So I'm gonna set aside that like a lot of them just don't work because developers need to update.

00:57:49 ◼   ► That's not what I'm talking about, right? Like not a problem.

00:57:52 ◼   ► I totally understand that if I were a developer, updating my widget for iOS 10 would not be on my to-do list for this week.

00:57:58 ◼   ► But I think the interaction especially on the the lock screen of what's available when

00:58:04 ◼   ► your device is locked versus when it's not locked I think is confusing.

00:58:08 ◼   ► I think that I think the widgets kind of don't look very good like I know that's personal

00:58:15 ◼   ► taste but like I just don't find them particularly attractive I think there's a lot of wasted

00:58:20 ◼   ► space.

00:58:21 ◼   ► Um, but I don't know. I just, I, I, I wanted to find them useful and so far, like I wanted

00:58:29 ◼   ► to have my iPad to set up these widgets. I'm going to use a word and you guys don't mock

00:58:33 ◼   ► me for it. I wanted to use it as a type of dashboard, right? I could like quickly glance

00:58:37 ◼   ► and see to dos and upcoming events and weather and like just, I mean, that's what they're

00:58:42 ◼   ► there for.

00:58:43 ◼   ► You wanted to ripple when you drop a widget there, you know, like a little ripple effect.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Does that make you feel better?

00:58:48 ◼   ► You were so... hmm... bully.

00:58:51 ◼   ► That's a harsh word.

00:58:55 ◼   ► Is it?

00:58:56 ◼   ► You took away follow-up, Myke.

00:58:57 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:58:58 ◼   ► Took it away.

00:58:59 ◼   ► But I don't know, I'm not finding them like that engaging, and maybe it is my confusion

00:59:05 ◼   ► of like, I don't know what's available when or where.

00:59:08 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe I need more time with it.

00:59:10 ◼   ► Maybe it's that on the iPad they're jankier than they are on the phone.

00:59:13 ◼   ► Again, I haven't run them on the phone, but I don't know, I'm not finding myself loving

00:59:17 ◼   ► this new system?

00:59:20 ◼   ► I feel like there's some performance problems right now

00:59:24 ◼   ► where a lot of widgets use too much memory and so they download every single time

00:59:29 ◼   ► and there's some design issues where the compact design of widgets

00:59:35 ◼   ► is not really compact in the sense that there's some wasted space at the bottom of

00:59:40 ◼   ► some compact widgets.

00:59:42 ◼   ► So they need to improve the design and I feel like throughout the betas that will get better.

00:59:46 ◼   ► And in terms of the design itself, the change from the translucent notification center to

00:59:52 ◼   ► these standalone units of content, that's very intentional in the sense that you can

01:00:01 ◼   ► have a widget that resembles the interface of an app more than it was possible with the

01:00:06 ◼   ► previous design.

01:00:07 ◼   ► And I feel like that will be more clear as soon as a lot of third-party apps adapt to

01:00:12 ◼   ► the new design and as soon as you can see the benefit of compact mode and expanded mode,

01:00:19 ◼   ► even if you look at the Apple widgets right now, especially the weather one and the notes

01:00:24 ◼   ► one, I think it got me a lot of time to get used to this, but the notes widgets for example,

01:00:32 ◼   ► it looks like part of the notes app was taken out of notes and put into a widget and in

01:00:40 ◼   ► the sense that the interface is more consistent between the app itself and this new white

01:00:47 ◼   ► transparent widget.

01:00:49 ◼   ► And it wasn't possible before because with the old notification center, with the dark

01:00:57 ◼   ► background it was really difficult for developers to have consistency between the looks of an

01:01:01 ◼   ► app and the looks of a widget.

01:01:04 ◼   ► So in that sense, by the final version, I want to see, and when third-party developers

01:01:10 ◼   ► adopt, I want to see what's it going to feel like to switch from app to widget and vice

01:01:18 ◼   ► versa.

01:01:19 ◼   ► And the problem with the authentication is developers will be able to choose, I think,

01:01:28 ◼   ► whether your personal data can be displayed on the lock screen or not.

01:01:35 ◼   ► And right now Apple believes that your personal notes, your activity stuff, and I don't know

01:01:40 ◼   ► if your calendar stuff as well, they believe that it requires authentication.

01:01:46 ◼   ► I would like to see some kind of setting to say, "Look, it's fine.

01:01:51 ◼   ► Always show me my stuff on the lock screen.

01:01:53 ◼   ► I don't mind if someone picks up my phone and takes a look at my notes."

01:01:57 ◼   ► But to understand what Apple is doing, the new default for unlocking a phone, the two-step

01:02:06 ◼   ► process is key.

01:02:08 ◼   ► So Apple thinks that you pick up your phone, the display comes on with "Raise to Wake",

01:02:14 ◼   ► then you swipe, you see the widgets, it says "You need authentication", so you just place

01:02:18 ◼   ► the finger on the Touch ID and it authenticates.

01:02:21 ◼   ► So without the widgets and the unlocking process go hand in hand in this design.

01:02:29 ◼   ► So you pick up the phone, swipe, place the finger and you can see the dashboard.

01:02:34 ◼   ► I would like to have settings to say I don't care about privacy, show me everything all

01:02:40 ◼   ► the time.

01:02:42 ◼   ► I don't think Apple will have this kind of control in their own apps.

01:02:45 ◼   ► I feel like developers will be able to do that and I feel like a lot of users like me

01:02:50 ◼   ► and you will say, "Look, you know, todoist, it's okay, show me my tasks on the lock screen."

01:02:57 ◼   ► I don't know, we'll see. I feel like widgets are, you know, a big change.

01:03:03 ◼   ► I mean this is probably an obvious thing, but I can see how we get there. Every widget

01:03:10 ◼   ► that I have used on iOS 10 that I'm using on iOS 9, I hate it, right, it looks terrible,

01:03:16 ◼   ► it doesn't work, I don't know why everything's white.

01:03:18 ◼   ► But all of the iOS 10 widgets that I've used,

01:03:21 ◼   ► I really like, so I really like the notes.

01:03:23 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:03:24 ◼   ► - James Thompson, the developer of Peacock,

01:03:26 ◼   ► he has worked on some new widgets.

01:03:29 ◼   ► It's like short, like the compact and expanded,

01:03:32 ◼   ► and I'm on the beta, and I love the compact widget.

01:03:36 ◼   ► - If you look at what James is doing,

01:03:38 ◼   ► so he tweeted screenshots.

01:03:39 ◼   ► If you look at the custom interface

01:03:41 ◼   ► that he did for Peacock and the widget,

01:03:43 ◼   ► Would that have been possible in iOS 9 with the old lookup widgets in Notification Center?

01:03:50 ◼   ► The answer is no, because the custom interface would have been just ugly, like a punch in

01:03:56 ◼   ► the face.

01:03:59 ◼   ► By moving from that unified dark background to separate cells of content with a white

01:04:07 ◼   ► background, developers can now do these edge-to-edge custom interfaces that don't look like it

01:04:13 ◼   ► stick out too much, they feel like they're like mini interfaces, taken from apps and

01:04:20 ◼   ► placed inside a widget.

01:04:22 ◼   ► Before that would have been terrible, and we've seen really terrible interfaces inside

01:04:27 ◼   ► widgets in iOS 8 and in iOS 9, and what you mentioned Myke about iOS 9 widgets look terrible,

01:04:34 ◼   ► iOS 10 ones look very nice, that's exactly why Apple is doing this, because they want

01:04:41 ◼   ► to say "Update your widgets for iOS 10, consider the two modes, consider the new design and

01:04:47 ◼   ► look at what we're doing with the weather, with the notes widgets, with the calendar

01:04:51 ◼   ► widget" and I truly believe that once every developer updates their app for the iOS 10

01:04:57 ◼   ► look, they will look really really nice.

01:04:59 ◼   ► Right now they look ugly because they cannot take advantage of the white background and

01:05:03 ◼   ► the compact mode.

01:05:05 ◼   ► There's some many many other problems that I want to mention and that I mentioned in

01:05:08 ◼   ► the review.

01:05:09 ◼   ► For example, I have many questions and doubts about showing the widget.

01:05:15 ◼   ► When you 3D touch on the icon of an app on the home screen, I have some problems with

01:05:22 ◼   ► the API.

01:05:23 ◼   ► I feel like Apple should be a little more flexible with the control that they give developers,

01:05:27 ◼   ► but that's maybe a topic for another time, sometime in September.

01:05:32 ◼   ► All right, so Federica, you wrote an article a couple of weeks ago about some stuff that

01:05:38 ◼   ► was announced in iOS 10 that I remain to be a little bit confused about and I'm hoping

01:05:42 ◼   ► that you can help.

01:05:44 ◼   ► And this is around differential privacy and data collection in iOS 10.

01:05:48 ◼   ► These are things that Apple mentioned a bunch and I'm a little bit confused about it.

01:05:53 ◼   ► Are you able to shine any more light on what this differential privacy stuff is and what

01:05:58 ◼   ► data Apple is actually collecting and if they're sharing it at all of our devices?

01:06:04 ◼   ► So let me have a disclaimer.

01:06:06 ◼   ► at the top. There's entire research papers, mathematical algorithms, and really smart

01:06:16 ◼   ► people working on differential privacy. It's a very complex topic based on some real math,

01:06:26 ◼   ► which I don't fully get, but I was able to understand the basics as a layperson. And

01:06:33 ◼   ► And I feel like a good way to understand differential privacy is, imagine you're on a stage and

01:06:39 ◼   ► there's a lot of people watching you perform.

01:06:42 ◼   ► And imagine that you ask a question to those people and you're asking those people to vote

01:06:46 ◼   ► and you're asking them about their favorite food.

01:06:48 ◼   ► And there's like 3,000 people answering you and yelling at you.

01:06:53 ◼   ► But from those 3,000 people, you can hear trends emerge.

01:06:58 ◼   ► So you can hear a lot of people screaming pizza, and you can hear a lot of other people

01:07:02 ◼   ► yelling coffee, and then you can hear a bunch of other chatter that you don't really understand.

01:07:08 ◼   ► That's the idea of differential privacy.

01:07:09 ◼   ► It's a way to surface trends from crowdsourced data without being able to identify anyone.

01:07:17 ◼   ► So in this scenario, we are the people in the audience, Apple is on stage.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Yes.

01:07:23 ◼   ► Right.

01:07:24 ◼   ► a way to collect data, to crowdsource collecting data, and anonymizing that data by adding

01:07:37 ◼   ► what is called noise. So Apple is taking the data, but only bits of that data, adding random

01:07:44 ◼   ► noise to not be able, at a later stage, to identify any single individual. So in the

01:07:52 ◼   ► case of, you know, if Apple goes rogue and they want to steal people's names from

01:07:57 ◼   ► that data, they won't be able to identify anyone because, you know, that data

01:08:02 ◼   ► doesn't match any single person.

01:08:05 ◼   ► Do you know if the data is anonymized before it leaves your device?

01:08:08 ◼   ► Well, that's part of the way that it works, part of the algorithm, right?

01:08:14 ◼   ► My understanding is iOS collects a portion of the data.

01:08:18 ◼   ► and then transmits it. It never leaves your device as identifiable.

01:08:23 ◼   ► No, according to Apple at least, the way that it's built is to not be identifiable for the single user.

01:08:31 ◼   ► So even if Apple, again, they go crazy or if they get hacked, no one will be able to say,

01:08:39 ◼   ► "Okay, my curly from London said that his favorite emoji is the eggplant one."

01:08:46 ◼   ► That's the idea.

01:08:48 ◼   ► Now, there's a few different areas of iOS 10 when Apple is using differential privacy

01:08:56 ◼   ► to collect data.

01:08:59 ◼   ► And according to the company, at least initially, they will be limited to four specific use

01:09:04 ◼   ► cases.

01:09:06 ◼   ► Words that users add to their dictionaries, emoji type by the user, deep links, and lookup

01:09:15 ◼   ► hints within notes. So I have many questions here, and I want to start from the lookup.

01:09:21 ◼   ► So lookup is the new interface for the dictionary. It used to be called "define", so when you select

01:09:27 ◼   ► a word in iOS 9 and in iOS 8 before, you get the "define" option to look up the word in the

01:09:34 ◼   ► dictionary, and that's all that it is, it's just a dictionary. In iOS 10 it's called "lookup",

01:09:38 ◼   ► and it's more versatile in the sense that it's more like "spotlight". When you select a sentence

01:09:43 ◼   ► or when you select a single word, you don't just get the dictionary definition.

01:09:48 ◼   ► You get the dictionary definition at the top, but also you get suggested websites, you get

01:09:54 ◼   ► Wikipedia results, you get iTunes results, web videos, I think images also.

01:10:01 ◼   ► So it's more like what you can do with Spotlight, only done for text that the user has selected.

01:10:08 ◼   ► Why does it need differential privacy to do this?

01:10:10 ◼   ► Why can't it just run a search?

01:10:12 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:10:13 ◼   ► Apple says "Lookup hints within Notes". So they're talking about only the Notes app and only when the user

01:10:21 ◼   ► brings up the lookup interface. But what's a lookup hint? I don't fully understand. So maybe they're looking at

01:10:29 ◼   ► users who are typing stuff into Notes, then the user looks up something and maybe whatever they tap,

01:10:37 ◼   ► app they choose as an option is used to crowdsource the result? I'm not sure.

01:10:44 ◼   ► So, you know, and this is a common trend for my questions here.

01:10:49 ◼   ► "New words that the users add to the local dictionary?"

01:10:52 ◼   ► I never fully understood how iOS adds a word to the local system dictionary.

01:11:00 ◼   ► I just feel like over time iOS learns by itself words that I'm typing.

01:11:06 ◼   ► Yeah, because you can make it, you can kind of force teach it something.

01:11:10 ◼   ► Like, you can make a mistake enough times and then it ends up being a word in the dictionary.

01:11:14 ◼   ► But there's no full interface where I can go and be like, "Okay, hit +, now I want to

01:11:20 ◼   ► add this word."

01:11:22 ◼   ► It just learns over time from you dismissing the autocorrect.

01:11:27 ◼   ► Like a problem in my life, and this is serious, I'm not joking here, sometimes I type in the

01:11:32 ◼   ► word "podcaster" and it corrects it to "podcasters".

01:11:35 ◼   ► is a problem I have brought upon myself. But it happens.

01:11:40 ◼   ► Alright. Yeah, so basically Apple is looking at words that people add to the local dictionaries.

01:11:46 ◼   ► I guess the idea is to be able to surface new words, such as when people say, I don't

01:11:52 ◼   ► know, imagine that Steven comes up with a new word, like "mikes", and "mikes" identifies

01:11:59 ◼   ► people from London and if enough people start saying you are a mike, then iOS sees that

01:12:07 ◼   ► as a new word that people use, like a built-in urban dictionary, I guess? I don't know. Could

01:12:13 ◼   ► be. Emoji type by the user. So there's two ways, at least there used to be until iOS

01:12:22 ◼   ► beta 2, two ways that iOS could improve emoji for you. One is only available in

01:12:30 ◼   ► messages and that is the one that they showed on stage at WWDC. You type a

01:12:36 ◼   ► message, you say "hey wanna go for dinner and have a pizza?" You type that in an

01:12:41 ◼   ► iMessage conversation, then you open the emoji keyboard and the emoji keyboard

01:12:46 ◼   ► does a scan of the text and it highlights in orange words that have an emoji replacement

01:12:53 ◼   ► available.

01:12:54 ◼   ► So you tap the word, dinner becomes the knife with the fork emoji and pizza becomes the

01:12:59 ◼   ► pizza emoji.

01:13:00 ◼   ► So it's a way to let people emojify their sentences with just a few taps.

01:13:05 ◼   ► The problem is, not the problem, maybe the...

01:13:08 ◼   ► That annoys me that it's only available in messages.

01:13:11 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

01:13:12 ◼   ► I guess it's more difficult for Apple to,

01:13:15 ◼   ► I mean, you gotta have a developer implementing

01:13:18 ◼   ► a specific type of text field.

01:13:20 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:13:21 ◼   ► I've been thinking about this, honestly.

01:13:23 ◼   ► - I wonder if it's them just making a statement, right?

01:13:27 ◼   ► That you can talk about emoji in messages,

01:13:30 ◼   ► but don't do it in your emails.

01:13:31 ◼   ► - Exactly. - I can kinda see them

01:13:33 ◼   ► making a sort of like dad statement about it.

01:13:35 ◼   ► - Don't make bad decision for me, Apple.

01:13:36 ◼   ► Like, I wanna tweet crazy emoji too.

01:13:39 ◼   ► - No, go to your room.

01:13:40 ◼   ► Get this, when you select a word...

01:13:43 ◼   ► I had this problem yesterday.

01:13:46 ◼   ► So I typed "love" into an iMessage conversation.

01:13:51 ◼   ► And I hit the emoji keyboard, did a scan, and "love" was orange.

01:13:57 ◼   ► I typed "love" and it brought up not a single emoji replacement,

01:14:02 ◼   ► but a pop-up with three possible choices.

01:14:04 ◼   ► And they were like choices of different emoji, heart emoji.

01:14:09 ◼   ► So my idea is that Apple brings up this menu

01:14:14 ◼   ► and over time they're looking at how many users

01:14:18 ◼   ► pick one emoji from those possible candidates

01:14:21 ◼   ► so that over time with differential privacy

01:14:24 ◼   ► that if a trend surfaces that maybe people prefer

01:14:27 ◼   ► the single red heart instead of the two hearts,

01:14:31 ◼   ► that becomes the new default

01:14:32 ◼   ► when the emoji keyboard highlights love.

01:14:35 ◼   ► It's not gonna bring up a list,

01:14:37 ◼   ► it's just gonna suggest a default

01:14:38 ◼   ► that a lot of people use, as collected by differential privacy.

01:14:43 ◼   ► But there's a second way that I used to be able, before Beta 3 that came out yesterday,

01:14:48 ◼   ► I used to be able to suggest emoji to you, and that was through the Quick Type bar, you

01:14:52 ◼   ► know, the suggestions above the keyboard available for predictive languages.

01:14:57 ◼   ► Used to be, again until yesterday, and I'm really sad that it's gone from Beta 3, at

01:15:02 ◼   ► least for a lot of people, including me, used to be that you're typing anything in any app,

01:15:08 ◼   ► not just messages, and when there's a word that matches an emoji, an emoji is suggested

01:15:15 ◼   ► in the QuickType bar.

01:15:17 ◼   ► So you can either decide to replace the word with the emoji, so let's say that I'm typing

01:15:22 ◼   ► "I'm walking the dog", and as soon as I type "dog", the dog emoji comes up in the QuickType

01:15:28 ◼   ► bar, you know, the suggestions.

01:15:30 ◼   ► So if I leave a space, I can put the dog emoji next to the word, so "dog", space, "dogEmoji".

01:15:38 ◼   ► If I don't put a space after the word "dog" and I hit the emoji, it replaces the word.

01:15:43 ◼   ► And it used to be awesome, because it suggested emoji for popular words, so pasta, pizza,

01:15:50 ◼   ► beach, sun, heart, love, you know, that kind of stuff.

01:15:54 ◼   ► Really popular words, didn't suggest more specific stuff like, I don't know.

01:15:58 ◼   ► Well I mentioned this on upgrade, I'll say it again here.

01:16:01 ◼   ► On Gboard, if you type in "butt" to double-T, you get a peach.

01:16:08 ◼   ► It didn't work for ISD, and I tried.

01:16:10 ◼   ► Oh, you did?

01:16:12 ◼   ► Yes, I did, with many other words, Myke, that I cannot repeat on the show.

01:16:16 ◼   ► That's why you keep texting me random single words all the time.

01:16:19 ◼   ► Yes, be on the lookout for emoji, Steven.

01:16:23 ◼   ► So, that QuickType functionality is gone from Beta 3.

01:16:27 ◼   ► And I'm not sure if it's a bug or if it's coming back, and if it's being used for differential privacy.

01:16:35 ◼   ► If I were to put a bet, I would say that Apple is using the emoji replacement in messages,

01:16:43 ◼   ► but what they told the press, so the statement was "emojis typed by the user".

01:16:51 ◼   ► It makes me think that QuickType was playing some kind of role in this, but I'm not sure.

01:16:57 ◼   ► So we'll have to see if Beta 4 brings the QuickType suggestions back,

01:17:02 ◼   ► and maybe we'll just have to wait for clarifications from Apple.

01:17:05 ◼   ► The last part is interesting because it was supposed to ship last year,

01:17:09 ◼   ► and it's deep links used inside apps.

01:17:13 ◼   ► So last year when Apple announced the new Spotlight with rich results from apps,

01:17:19 ◼   ► They also announced the ability for developers to advertise deep links, so you know, like a specific section of an app,

01:17:26 ◼   ► and mark it for public indexing. So the idea was, let's say that you're a developer of a popular app with new content in the app every day,

01:17:41 ◼   ► like a magazine app, and you want to mark those articles in the magazine public,

01:17:48 ◼   ► because of course anyone can read those articles, and those articles

01:17:53 ◼   ► can be accessed with a deep link, so it's like a URL scheme or a universal link.

01:17:59 ◼   ► As soon as you mark it as eligible for public indexing, it gets beamed into

01:18:06 ◼   ► the Apple Cloud, and over time users, without having to install your app, can just look

01:18:15 ◼   ► for a string of text in Spotlight.

01:18:17 ◼   ► Let's say that you have an article on cooking pasta.

01:18:21 ◼   ► So last year Apple was saying, on iOS 10 down the road you can just look for cooking pasta

01:18:28 ◼   ► in Spotlight, and without having to have the magazine app installed, the deep link publicly

01:18:35 ◼   ► advertised from the developer will suggest you the content even if you don't have the

01:18:40 ◼   ► app on your device.

01:18:42 ◼   ► Then last year, during the summer, I had an article on this, a whole story about public

01:18:46 ◼   ► indexing and the Apple cloud and what they were doing with search results.

01:18:51 ◼   ► Then during the summer, the documentation for this feature was pulled from the Apple

01:18:55 ◼   ► developer website and I was like "hmm, ok".

01:18:58 ◼   ► And after a few weeks, they added a little note at the bottom of the document that says

01:19:03 ◼   ► "public indexing for deep links will be available in the future".

01:19:07 ◼   ► So they had a session at WWDC 2015 about this feature, they had documentation and then sometime

01:19:15 ◼   ► in August 2015 they decided to postpone it.

01:19:18 ◼   ► And of course it's coming back with differential privacy in iOS 10.

01:19:22 ◼   ► So the idea again is if enough developers advertise deep links for public indexing and

01:19:33 ◼   ► And if enough users tap on those links and use those apps in a differentially private

01:19:40 ◼   ► way, iOS 10 will understand which content is popular and it will suggest those deep

01:19:45 ◼   ► links to users even if they don't have the apps installed.

01:19:50 ◼   ► A good way to understand this, let's say that enough users on Foursquare go to a bar and

01:19:58 ◼   ► leave positive reviews for that bar and enough users, millions of users, open the Foursquare page

01:20:05 ◼   ► in the Foursquare app for that location. I'm living in Rome, I don't have the Foursquare app installed,

01:20:12 ◼   ► I'm looking for this bar, I type something like "Cocktail Bar" in Spotlight and that Foursquare

01:20:21 ◼   ► page, because it was used by millions of people, comes to me as a suggestion

01:20:27 ◼   ► without me having to have Foursquare on my device. That's the idea.

01:20:33 ◼   ► I'm not sure how well it'll work in practice, but it's coming back with

01:20:38 ◼   ► differential privacy. It was pulled last year, now Apple is hoping that it'll pick

01:20:42 ◼   ► up again, and it's based on NSUserActivity, which is, you know, the API

01:20:49 ◼   ► that is being used for a lot of stuff on iOS 10 and iOS 9.

01:20:53 ◼   ► It's used for Reminders, it's used for Siri,

01:20:55 ◼   ► it's used for Maps, it's used for Search.

01:20:58 ◼   ► So it's this powerful API that is powering

01:21:00 ◼   ► a lot of different parts of apps in iOS.

01:21:05 ◼   ► And again, we'll have to see how well it'll scale

01:21:09 ◼   ► once iOS 10 is available.

01:21:12 ◼   ► And I guess this is part of the reason

01:21:14 ◼   ► why Apple is doing public betas of iOS,

01:21:16 ◼   ► because with these new ways to crowdsource data, to collect data, and to suggest popular

01:21:24 ◼   ► content or trends or come up with new defaults, such as emoji, over time they need a lot of

01:21:32 ◼   ► data.

01:21:33 ◼   ► And the best way to collect data is to let people use apps and of course the public beta

01:21:37 ◼   ► makes sense.

01:21:38 ◼   ► So this deep linking thing reminds me of Android Instant Apps?

01:21:43 ◼   ► Kind of, yes.

01:21:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:45 ◼   ► really similar the idea is. I'm not sure if Apple will let you jump to

01:21:50 ◼   ► content inside an app even if it's not installed, they'll maybe go to the

01:21:55 ◼   ► universal link in Safari or they'll maybe open the App Store. So the difference

01:21:59 ◼   ► might be that they say everybody's searching in the Foursquare app for

01:22:03 ◼   ► something, what they do is take you to the relevant web page rather than the

01:22:07 ◼   ► piece of content from the application. I think I prefer the Android

01:22:11 ◼   ► implementation, I know a lot of people wouldn't but I think I would just prefer

01:22:14 ◼   ► to stay inside of apps but yeah it's just a taste thing. Yeah I wonder if

01:22:20 ◼   ► people would find that confusing I think we talked about that when Google made

01:22:24 ◼   ► their announcement of like what oh I'm in the Yelp app but I don't have Yelp

01:22:27 ◼   ► installed or maybe they never noticed like I just I just don't know like what

01:22:31 ◼   ► people's expectations would be around that. Yeah I don't know. It's interesting though I

01:22:39 ◼   ► I mean, I think being able to surface content out of apps is important.

01:22:45 ◼   ► There's a lot of discussion about our world moving from the open internet to a bunch of

01:22:50 ◼   ► siloed apps.

01:22:51 ◼   ► And this is a way, this sort of technology keeps a lot of good things about the open

01:22:55 ◼   ► web, keeps them intact in this world of apps that can't really talk to each other in a

01:23:01 ◼   ► lot of interesting ways, like websites can.

01:23:03 ◼   ► So I think it's positive.

01:23:05 ◼   ► I think it's positive, I hope they can pull it off,

01:23:07 ◼   ► and I think they can, but I think it's all

01:23:10 ◼   ► about those details, right?

01:23:12 ◼   ► If you lead a user down a path and suddenly they don't know

01:23:15 ◼   ► how they got there or they think that they clicked

01:23:16 ◼   ► on a link and something installed on their phone

01:23:18 ◼   ► without their permission, that's not a good experience.

01:23:22 ◼   ► But I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.

01:23:24 ◼   ► - All right, so listening to this stuff,

01:23:28 ◼   ► I mean, I can hear it's very complex

01:23:29 ◼   ► and sounds like some interesting things here,

01:23:31 ◼   ► but they're not doing anything crazy.

01:23:35 ◼   ► - No, no.

01:23:36 ◼   ► - This is all very simple stuff,

01:23:38 ◼   ► which leads me back to the idea of like,

01:23:40 ◼   ► okay, great, you have this really nice way

01:23:42 ◼   ► of keeping all of my stuff private, which is awesome,

01:23:44 ◼   ► thank you very much.

01:23:45 ◼   ► But is it holding you back?

01:23:48 ◼   ► 'Cause this is very simple things it's doing.

01:23:51 ◼   ► It's not changing fundamentally how my phone works,

01:23:54 ◼   ► it's suggesting words to me in emoji.

01:23:57 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:23:58 ◼   ► - That you're using this incredibly private way to do this.

01:24:00 ◼   ► I don't know if emoji needs to be that private, but they're doing it anyway.

01:24:04 ◼   ► Yeah, it's very specific stuff and I get the idea that

01:24:09 ◼   ► Apple is starting small from, you know, very specific activities that users do on iOS

01:24:17 ◼   ► and you could see how in the future they could kind of expand to more complex and potentially risky

01:24:24 ◼   ► areas of the OS such as, I don't know, looking at driving times or looking at how people

01:24:30 ◼   ► organize their schedules, looking at how people organize specific types of emails, such as newsletters or people from contacts.

01:24:38 ◼   ► But right now they're doing these very limited, very specific suggestions and data collection

01:24:46 ◼   ► that won't make your iPhone suddenly into Google now, basically. It's not that.

01:24:52 ◼   ► It has a chance to improve stuff that you do every day, such as typing or adding emoji,

01:24:59 ◼   ► but it's not in any way revolutionary, at least in terms of impact.

01:25:03 ◼   ► The underlying technology might as well be, and a lot of researchers are praising Apple

01:25:09 ◼   ► for trying this new tech.

01:25:11 ◼   ► Some other people are saying it's a new technology, we're not sure how it works yet.

01:25:15 ◼   ► So it's a little, it's an uncharted territory right now.

01:25:19 ◼   ► And Apple is starting small, four features.

01:25:24 ◼   ► We don't know how well they will work, but that's what Apple does.

01:25:28 ◼   ► They start small and eventually if everything goes well, they do more.

01:25:32 ◼   ► If it doesn't, they just pull the documentation again, I guess.

01:25:35 ◼   ► I don't know.

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