99: European Exotic


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00:00:07   From relay FM, this is Connected episode number 99. Today's show is brought to you by

00:00:13   Braintree, Martian Craft and Casper. My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Federico Vittucci.

00:00:19   Ciao Federico. Ciao Myke. And Steven Hackett. Howdy Steven Hackett.

00:00:23   Hey Myke. I'm talking to everyone in their local tongue, you know, native language and all that.

00:00:29   I don't think I've ever said howdy in a serious way ever.

00:00:34   Are you sure?

00:00:36   No.

00:00:37   Why are you asking?

00:00:38   See even if it's sure.

00:00:40   Pretty sure.

00:00:41   So I'm going to do follow up because that's what I do.

00:00:43   So we have two pieces of follow up.

00:00:45   The first one concerning one, two, three note taker.

00:00:49   The Evernote replacement that Myke is hard at work writing in Swift.

00:00:54   And calculator replacement.

00:00:55   And calculator replacement.

00:00:56   What else does it do?

00:00:57   Is this the two things?

00:00:59   It does everything.

00:01:00   I think there's some other features but I'm not at liberty to talk about them right now.

00:01:05   There's an NDA.

00:01:06   There's an embargo and Myke is respecting his own embargo.

00:01:10   Yes.

00:01:11   Good job.

00:01:13   No teaser posts on Medium.

00:01:15   But if you go to the first link in the show notes, it is also just pasted in the chat

00:01:20   for the live listeners, and you add it to your home screen on iOS, it is like running

00:01:25   a beta of the 123 Notetaker icon.

00:01:28   So there's that. I have it on my phone and it makes me very happy. And it's just really

00:01:33   great.

00:01:34   Do you have it there?

00:01:35   Yeah. A little Easter egg from Frank, our designer. So it's pretty great.

00:01:39   So that's amazing. But we have more amazing follow up. Episode 99 will forever be known

00:01:44   as the episode of amazing follow up. Because earlier this week, Nathan Clark wrote in to

00:01:50   me because he was listening back to the prompt archive, much respect, which is at relay.fm/prompt.

00:01:57   you can go there you can listen to the old show the show that predated this one

00:02:00   and on episode 31 number 31 of the prompt on January the 16th 2014 at

00:02:07   around the 1 hour and 12 minute mark we have the prophet Federico he brings up

00:02:15   the idea of using multiple iPads and Federico you spoke about the fact of

00:02:23   using an iPad for home and an iPad for mobile and that within two years you think that that

00:02:29   might not be a crazy thing. Now I have the clip so we can play it so you'll hear the

00:02:34   clip now and you'll be able to hear for yourself the profit Federico predict the next couple

00:02:40   of years of computing.

00:02:44   I guess that the next step would be should I buy really a new Mac or should I get maybe

00:02:50   an iPad for home and an iPad for, you know, mobile setups.

00:02:59   Why would you want to have two different iPads?

00:03:01   Okay, that sounds crazy.

00:03:02   Yeah, I don't understand that.

00:03:03   That sounds crazy.

00:03:04   But, you know, maybe an iPad Air to use at home and an iPad Mini to use...

00:03:13   I think you might have gone off the deep end there a little bit, buddy.

00:03:15   I don't know Myke, because back in the day you used to have the Mac for the desk and

00:03:20   the Mac for the laptop.

00:03:23   I don't think that it would be too crucial.

00:03:25   Now this would be a scenario where I could see a larger iPad.

00:03:30   The big iPad that you keep at home that maybe you can share with the family and the small

00:03:35   iPad that you keep for yourself.

00:03:38   I think that it sounds crazy now, I don't think that it will sound crazy in a couple

00:03:43   of years.

00:03:44   I think my favorite thing about this whole clip, I actually have two favorite things.

00:03:50   One is the fact that I think you've gone crazy, right? And the other is that you used the

00:03:58   exact argument that I gave for why I did this, and then you said I was crazy two years later,

00:04:06   which is the idea of having the Mac for the desk, like for home and a laptop. That was

00:04:12   hilarious. The crazy part for me is that I completely forgot about this and the past

00:04:20   two years, while it doesn't seem like a long time away, listening to this, effectively

00:04:26   a lot of stuff has changed to the point where what I said two years ago seemed crazy to

00:04:34   me, but it also makes sense for you. So like our roles have been reversed in just two years

00:04:42   And it's kind of scary that I basically say things and I forget about them.

00:04:48   About how many hundreds of hours of things have we said by now?

00:04:52   So you're saying that maybe this is just like a coincidence?

00:04:56   No, not at all.

00:04:59   This is maybe the needle in the high stack of follow-up.

00:05:02   It's just we got lucky, or I got lucky, I said this thing and now look at what's happened.

00:05:08   This is the thing, like, okay, so the fact that you said two years and it's two years

00:05:14   is a beautiful coincidence because you just plucked a number out of the air. But what

00:05:19   you saw at that point is what happened. Like that cannot be denied because the reasoning

00:05:25   that you gave and you know about the idea about there being iPads which are larger and

00:05:30   smaller and the idea of having mobile iPads and home iPads, like that was a thing that

00:05:36   has come to pass and is becoming more and more true for more people. And I know that

00:05:40   at the moment it can still be seen as a crazy and frivolous thing, but I would expect that

00:05:46   when people started buying multiple Macs it was, but this is just a normal thing that

00:05:50   people do now and I think it's going to continue to become more normal as time goes on. But

00:05:55   yeah, I just think that it's amazing that you predicted this. My favorite thing about

00:06:00   it, as I said, is that I then used the same argument against you two years later when

00:06:05   you thought I was crazy. So our roles reversed completely.

00:06:09   You told me I think you might have gone off the deep end.

00:06:12   Yeah, that's that. They were my words.

00:06:15   You were shocked by that idea.

00:06:16   I was absolutely shocked by it. I thought it was insane. But even at that point, you're

00:06:22   still using a Mac for a lot of stuff because you even mentioned that. So it's funny that

00:06:27   even as you went more iOS, this idea became more alien to you. So there's two other things

00:06:33   that are interesting to me about this. One, this was the Vitici Seal of Quality episode.

00:06:37   Great episode, yeah. That was where that first came up. And also,

00:06:40   this clip, the clip that you hear in the episode, I grabbed that clip and edited it using Ferrite

00:06:45   on my iPad Pro. So, see? See what's happened?

00:06:48   It's all come around. It's all come around. It's a complete circle at this point, Myke.

00:06:54   This is just the best follow-up ever. I feel like two years ago there was a lot

00:06:58   of a demand for Apple doing more with iOS on the iPad. So I'm trying to kind of reimagine

00:07:08   my context two years ago. So maybe with that kind of pent-up demand for iPad features on

00:07:15   iOS, which wouldn't happen in 2014, it would happen a year later, but maybe I was trying

00:07:21   to imagine at the moment when Apple finally does more iPad stuff on iOS and when the iPad

00:07:28   eventually becomes a tool for people just like a MacBook, because I was sure it was

00:07:33   gonna happen.

00:07:35   Maybe if we treat the iPad more like a MacBook, then it's not too crazy to imagine people

00:07:41   having two iPads just like to have two Macs.

00:07:44   Maybe it was just really like a simple line of thinking, but it is a beautiful coincidence,

00:07:50   the way that it played out with the iPad Pro and then multiple iPad Pros and two years

00:07:56   later.

00:07:57   Good job, Tichi, I guess.

00:08:00   It's also funny to me that we were talking about a bigger iPad in 2014.

00:08:06   We didn't really know anything, we didn't really think much of it, but it just shows the rumor cycle.

00:08:12   We were already thinking about a bigger iPad all the way back then.

00:08:16   Right, because there were the rumors of, if you remember, in 2014 there were rumors of iPad multitasking

00:08:22   multitasking happening with iOS 8 and instead they got pushed back to iOS 9 in 2015.

00:08:28   So I think we were talking about multitasking and the rumors, there were probably a few

00:08:35   leaks on 9to5Mac of someone found in the iOS SDK a way to enable multitasking.

00:08:42   And there were the first rumors of Apple doing an iPad Pro and actually a lot of people were

00:08:47   saying an iPad Pro should have like USB stuff or have Windows like on OS X so you can resize

00:08:57   apps. And I believe I had one of those articles like thinking about the iPad Pro. I think

00:09:03   it was two years ago. So yeah, we were definitely in the rumor stage at that point.

00:09:10   It's funny to me, I'd forgotten that you were using an iPad Mini for so long.

00:09:13   Oh yeah!

00:09:14   I can't imagine you doing that now after being on the big one for so long.

00:09:17   No, crazy.

00:09:18   Yeah, I remember when you switched to the Air 2.

00:09:21   Yeah, yeah, right, that was 2014 or 15 maybe?

00:09:26   I just did the Mini for two years, so probably late 2014.

00:09:30   And I don't even know what an iPad Mini looks like, honestly.

00:09:33   I haven't used an iPad Mini in years, so no idea.

00:09:38   I should probably go to the Apple Store and see what it feels like.

00:09:41   It feels tiny and ridiculous.

00:09:44   - I know.

00:09:45   - No, it's great.

00:09:46   I think what we need to focus on now is

00:09:47   using your clear power to see what's coming up

00:09:53   in the next couple years so we can sound

00:09:54   super smart about it.

00:09:55   So just be thinking about that and maybe we'll

00:09:58   come up with something to recall back in 24 months.

00:10:03   - Two iPhones.

00:10:05   - No, not gonna--

00:10:07   - Next time I tried that, the day phone, night phone.

00:10:08   It doesn't work.

00:10:09   - That was actually brought up in that episode.

00:10:11   So after the clip Federico starts talking about

00:10:14   day iPad, night iPad. That's like the next thing that continues after the clip.

00:10:18   Of course.

00:10:19   So we did continue to discuss it after that, but that was the most pertinent part. So you

00:10:23   can go and listen to that. I'll put a link in the show notes to the episode. And massive,

00:10:29   massive thank you to Nathan for discovering this because it's provided us with a much

00:10:37   needed moment of reflection.

00:10:39   Yeah, Nathan was using the Bible of Relay, which is the archive, and he found in the

00:10:48   scriptures about the iPad. So thank you, Nathan.

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00:12:01   So Steven you've published another video, another L in your YouTube empire series of

00:12:09   really really old computers. Some of these aren't that old. Some of these are

00:12:14   only a little old. So I did a look at seven notebooks comparing starting with

00:12:23   the PowerBook G3 in like 1999 talking about the PowerBooks talking about the

00:12:29   MacBook Pro and so it's seven notebooks. I've lasted them in like six minutes and I put

00:12:35   it up earlier this week and it's the first video I've done that I didn't really dislike

00:12:41   by the time I published it. I think I finally have found a recipe that works for me. It

00:12:47   is super strange to be in a room by yourself just talking to a camera. Like there's a moment

00:12:51   where your brain is really wondering what you're doing. But it's good. I think people

00:12:55   are enjoying it and I had fun making it so it's another one of the books. We'll see where

00:13:00   it goes from here I guess.

00:13:02   So what is the crowning laptop in this collection?

00:13:06   So what are they?

00:13:07   What laptops do we have?

00:13:09   So I have a PowerBook G3 Pismo, titanium PowerBook, a 12, 15 and 17 inch PowerBook G4, an original

00:13:21   MacBook Pro and then the current 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro.

00:13:26   There are some of these that look ridiculous in places.

00:13:29   The 17-inch PowerBook G4 is a hilarious computer.

00:13:32   There's just no way around it.

00:13:35   That looks insane because of its size, but you've got stuff like the... what is that,

00:13:40   the Pismo one, where the Apple logo's upside down?

00:13:43   Yeah, they did that for really years and years, and with the titanium, actually doing the

00:13:49   keynote jobs showed off the back of the computer and people laughed and hollered when the Apple

00:13:55   logo is facing the right way and all he says was "you and about a billion other

00:13:59   people" like you gotta tell he had he had a hand in that. But um it was just fun to

00:14:05   see the evolution. I built a case that the Titanium Power Book is really the

00:14:08   grandfather of what we have today and and it's it's fun to see the way Apple

00:14:13   evolves things and when you have a bunch of stuff like physically with you it's

00:14:17   really easy to kind of draw the trend lines and stuff so it'll be in the show

00:14:21   notes and I'm gonna put a link to a bunch of pictures in the show notes so

00:14:24   So you can see how wild the Pismo is compared to the Power Books that would follow it.

00:14:29   Just a big jump forward in 2001.

00:14:34   I really don't like the design of the Titanium Power Book.

00:14:39   Was it called the Titanium Power Book?

00:14:41   Yeah, the actual marketing name, Titanium Power Book G4.

00:14:45   Which you horrifically call the pomento of Ty-Book.

00:14:50   Which I, A, Casey Liss called me out on that privately.

00:14:53   As he should do.

00:14:54   because I didn't even realize I said it until I was editing I was like well

00:14:57   that's done. You said it not just once you said it a lot. Yeah anyways so that's

00:15:03   unfortunate. Yeah I really don't like the way this lots of this computer looks

00:15:08   like the different color kind of bezel around the keyboard. It's a little busy

00:15:13   compared to today and it definitely I still think it looks good but it looks

00:15:19   old like there's kind of no way no way around that but. And titanium is a

00:15:23   terrible metal to make a computer out of. Yeah so these had a bunch of problems

00:15:28   the biggest is that the hinges would fail the hinges weren't made out of

00:15:31   titanium but the hinges would fail so you go to open it and like the little

00:15:34   just come off like a like a surface book or something. I bet they chipped really

00:15:39   easily. And they chipped real bad the paint they they painted the metal and

00:15:43   mine is pretty much pristine but most of them are not I looked for a long time

00:15:49   before I found this one that was in such a good shape. I was sad to not see the

00:15:54   MacBook Air in this video. So I mentioned the MacBook Air in it talking about the

00:15:59   unibody construction. When I was kind of writing this out I felt like it

00:16:04   it didn't really fit to show it for whatever reason. I do have an original

00:16:09   MacBook Air with a little port door but it didn't make it in. I'm going to I

00:16:14   think I'm gonna end up doing something just on the MacBook Air because it's

00:16:16   such a wild computer but I really kind of stuck with the power books and the

00:16:21   MacBook Pros in this one. Yeah it does I get that the trend line is kind of like

00:16:27   professional laptops. Yeah. So like I can see how like why it went through this

00:16:33   way but it was just interesting because the MacBook Air is a thing into itself

00:16:38   the original one with this little flappy door for the USB and stuff. Super strange.

00:16:46   So, are you a YouTube millionaire yet? Are you raking in the YouTube millions?

00:16:51   No. No. I don't think anyone is.

00:16:53   That's where all the money is, right?

00:16:54   No, it's not. The YouTube channel is still experimental and still a big black hole in

00:17:02   my company budget.

00:17:03   Yeah, it's funny because obviously I run a very basic YouTube channel, right? The

00:17:08   Cortex YouTube channel? And it's just really funny to see the revenue numbers on it. It's

00:17:13   just funny. It just makes me laugh. There's all so many views and just so, so little money

00:17:19   in YouTube. It's kind of insane.

00:17:21   Yeah, I think I've maybe made like a hundred bucks now. I think I've just broken that.

00:17:26   Congratulations! Nice!

00:17:27   And the first one of those iPod videos has like 91,000 views. So it takes a lot, I mean.

00:17:35   But for me, I'm using it to accent and make 512 pixels a bigger deal. And so for that,

00:17:41   is working and so that's good enough for me. I don't need the YouTube channel to make my

00:17:47   mortgage month, thankfully.

00:17:49   Well, I mean there's also the other element to it, which is what I always say the inquisitive

00:17:54   behind the app, which we'll get to something similar to that a little bit later on in the

00:17:58   show. One of the real key benefits of doing that was I learned a skill, which was detailed

00:18:04   editing, detailed audio editing. I learned an awful lot about how to edit audio by doing

00:18:11   and you are learning some skills in how to edit video which might not be useful

00:18:15   for like from a financial perspective right now but could be very useful to

00:18:22   you in a couple of years for some reason. Yeah absolutely and that that is a big

00:18:27   part of it. Are you using Final Cut? I am. Interesting. Final Cut Pro X, to solve the

00:18:34   emails from coming in I put together a list of camera gear because people are

00:18:40   always curious about that so we can put that in the show notes too. But yeah editing

00:18:43   in Final Cut it gets the job done for me I don't need the stuff in the Adobe

00:18:49   Suite and I kind of know how Final Cut thinks because I know iMovie pretty

00:18:53   well. I wish that Logic would learn some things from Final Cut actually like you

00:18:57   use them both heavily and you realize that Final Cut is a lot of things a lot

00:19:01   better than Logic just the way it sort of thinks about media and the way some

00:19:04   of the timeline controls work are much more natural. Yeah. Where Logic feels

00:19:08   logic feels older than it is in a lot of ways. My least favorite slash most

00:19:13   favorite thing about Final Cut is when you open Final Cut and then you watch in

00:19:18   the dock like hundreds and hundreds of scripts start opening. It's kind of a

00:19:24   terrifying and really weird thing to see. It's better not to think about what it's

00:19:29   doing in the background of your computer. Like why? Why does it need to do all of

00:19:33   this? Why do I need to see any of it? Why can't they hide it? It's very weird.

00:19:36   Talking about very weird, RAZER, the games peripheral company, today has unveiled a mechanical

00:19:49   keyboard and case for the iPad Pro. Have you seen this Federico?

00:19:55   You need to explain this to me. I've seen pictures, I've read that it's mechanical,

00:20:00   So I'm kind of ignorant about this, but I tend to associate mechanical with "it makes

00:20:06   noise".

00:20:09   So I presume it's Bluetooth, and that's about what I know.

00:20:14   It's a case, it costs like $170, and it makes noise when you type, which annoys people around

00:20:22   you, if you don't live alone.

00:20:25   And it has a kickstand.

00:20:27   Yeah, so I'll go through the product features and then Stephen you can maybe try and explain

00:20:32   to us both what difference between mechanical and non-mechanical keyboard.

00:20:37   So this is just for the 12.9 inch Pro right now, although there is potential for them

00:20:42   to do this later on.

00:20:44   It is and has a detachable case from the keyboard so you can have it as like a book or you can

00:20:50   just have it as the keyboard and the kickstand and use your own case or no case at all.

00:20:55   The kickstand I think is probably my favorite feature from looking at it because it will allow you to put the iPad at multiple angles.

00:21:04   So it kind of sits out on the desk behind and then you can position the iPad up and down on it, which is great because no other product I don't think does this right now.

00:21:14   Am I right in thinking that Federico? Like none of the current keyboard solutions for the iPad Pro have an adjustable viewing angle.

00:21:20   Or maybe there's some cheap keyboard on Amazon but I'm not familiar with them.

00:21:25   Sure, none of the mainstream ones.

00:21:28   The big name companies, no, I don't think so.

00:21:31   It connects by Bluetooth, not the smart connector, which I thought was a bit of a shame,

00:21:36   but I think I've worked out the reason why. The keys have a backlight, and you get 10 hours of

00:21:45   battery life when you're using the backlight, but when you're not using the backlight you get

00:21:50   600 hours. So it seems like the backlight probably takes more power than a smart connector

00:21:57   can give. That is my assumption here. I think that's a safe bet. Because that is a significant

00:22:03   difference. Yeah I can imagine like look at that sweet battery life. It would be a shame

00:22:08   if you went away with backlight. I have waited for years and years for you to give me a quote

00:22:15   like that. You know? And finally you're giving me some scary mafia type quotes. It is available

00:22:22   right now. It's, and Federico mentioned it's $169 or 189 euro. And you can pick one up right

00:22:30   now if you want to. So I mean it looks pretty good. It looks pretty nice. It looks like

00:22:36   it has media keys, which is great. It looks like it's a pretty full size keyboard. It

00:22:44   looks like it's got a pretty nice wrist rest like you'd be used to from a, like a wrist

00:22:48   area, that you'd be used to from a laptop. It looks like it's got home buttons, brightness

00:22:53   buttons, spotlight controls, media controls, all that good stuff. So that's cool to see.

00:22:59   So Steven can you explain to the best of your ability mechanical keyboards and what the

00:23:07   differences are? Yes, if you look in the chat room I'm putting a GIF from Sean Blanc's website

00:23:13   that kind of shows how these things work.

00:23:16   So a regular keyboard like on the MacBook Pro or the Magic Keyboard,

00:23:20   they're using silicon or rubber domes underneath,

00:23:25   and so it's soft material and they use plastic frames to kind of keep the keys in line.

00:23:32   So you remember from the MacBook video, they're like,

00:23:35   "Oh, we're using a stainless steel dome switch,"

00:23:37   and the plastic kind of keeps it in there.

00:23:38   So there's not a lot of travel and it's designed to be quiet.

00:23:42   If you look at this GIF, there is a spring and a buckle.

00:23:46   And so the thing slides down on the spring,

00:23:49   it makes connection at the bottom,

00:23:51   and then comes back up.

00:23:53   And in that, there's a lot of travel,

00:23:56   and depending on which mechanical keyboard you have,

00:23:59   it's either a little bit noisy,

00:24:01   or it sounds like machine gun fire.

00:24:04   Some of them are quite, quite loud.

00:24:06   And people just have preferences.

00:24:07   I used to type on a mechanical keyboard,

00:24:10   but I can't anymore because my hands are old and decrepit.

00:24:14   But a lot of people really like them.

00:24:16   A lot of people like them for gaming.

00:24:17   A lot of people like them for typing.

00:24:18   Jason Snell built a custom one

00:24:20   because he's really into them, which is awesome.

00:24:23   I wish I could be.

00:24:24   And so, the best I can tell what this keyboard is using

00:24:28   is a, you know, it's not, doesn't have a ton of travel,

00:24:32   but you don't have to have a ton of travel

00:24:34   to have the spring and the buckle and the noise.

00:24:36   And Razer makes tons of accessories, tons of keyboards.

00:24:41   Some of the chat room point out they make mice.

00:24:42   They make lots of input devices.

00:24:45   And I know people who really like what they make.

00:24:47   So I think that for people who want to type

00:24:49   on something like this, it's gonna be a nice accessory

00:24:54   for your iPad.

00:24:56   I don't know how well it's gonna sell.

00:24:58   I mean, you're selling to 12.9 inch iPad Pro owners,

00:25:00   which is already a small market.

00:25:02   Somebody who, it's really hard to beat the smart keyboard

00:25:05   because it's a case and it just uses the smart connector

00:25:09   and this thing requires Bluetooth and charging and all that.

00:25:11   But I think they'll find their market with it.

00:25:15   But that's the big difference.

00:25:16   Springs and buckles versus guides and a plastic

00:25:20   or in the MacBook's case, a steel dome switch.

00:25:23   - So this looks really thin, this keyboard.

00:25:26   How could you get a mechanism like that in here?

00:25:30   I'm a bit confused.

00:25:32   - Yeah, so the GIF that I showed in the chatroom

00:25:34   exaggerated and this is the Alp Blue switch so this is like the most extreme

00:25:38   or one of the most extreme examples of it so it's this sort of action but in a

00:25:44   much shallower space so it still is they're still spring-loaded there's

00:25:48   still some sort of buckle that comes over but the gif is like worst worst

00:25:53   case or best case scenario depending on how you think about it. Federico does this

00:25:57   interest you at all? I know that you've recently got a smart keyboard magic

00:26:02   keyboard. Magic keyboard. I will one day I will get those keyboard names correct.

00:26:08   That day is not today. Are you interested in this at all? I think at least the

00:26:15   idea of the multiple viewing angles makes this an interesting product.

00:26:19   I make fun of mechanical keyboards because there's some

00:26:22   people are extremely fussy about those but there's a few aspects that are

00:26:27   intriguing to me. Backlit keys, huge win. I would mostly use this in theory to

00:26:37   write the review when I'm alone so the noise wouldn't be a problem. Palm rest

00:26:42   looks very nice and the multiple viewing angles but... What about the media keys and

00:26:49   stuff? I don't care about the media keys because I control media on my phone.

00:26:55   problems, actually one problem, it ships in Italy at the end of July and the

00:27:02   the 10 days where I'll be mostly alone trying to get like 10 hours of writing

00:27:08   done every day starts tomorrow so when if I was so close if I get this

00:27:15   keyboard and it comes by the end of July when I'm about to go on vacation and

00:27:19   there's going to be people around the house it loses all of the

00:27:23   the basic purpose of these next 10 days, I need to be alone, just write.

00:27:29   And so it looks nice, but I'll probably stick with the Magic Keyboard because there's no point in getting this now

00:27:36   and it shows up at the beginning of August.

00:27:38   Okay, well...

00:27:40   I'm sorry, Myke.

00:27:42   It might still be worth it, you know, if you're interested, like you do write more than just this one review,

00:27:48   but hey maybe I want to go to a store like you know like a tech store or

00:27:53   whatever like a like a Best Buy like store and maybe just try it so I can see

00:27:57   what it's like I just wonder what it feels like. Yeah the thing for me is the

00:28:01   increased pressure needed which is why I had to get rid of mine like the

00:28:04   increased pressure in the travel is what really did my Accenture 2 keyboard in

00:28:09   but this one being thin there's a line of the article about a new that this is

00:28:14   like a new ultra low profile mechanical switch they built just for this product

00:28:19   assuming it would come to other products in the future I think but it requires 70

00:28:23   grams of force to register a press yeah and I don't know what the magic keyboard

00:28:28   is but it's got to be way less than that and to stop though they've already

00:28:35   emailed me because I said it several months ago the gif is of a cherry MX

00:28:39   blue switch Alpine it's a different type of key switch so sorry mechanical

00:28:43   keyboard people you can't be trusted I know I'm just I'm terrible yeah you know

00:28:47   it's her why do you do that I just Wow it makes me upset you know when I get

00:28:53   things wrong or when I correct them uh both Wow I can't win really today nope

00:29:00   not at all so I went ahead and did something I went ahead and did something

00:29:06   this week I enabled two-factor on my devices and I have thoughts about

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00:30:17   Can you please explain two-factor authentication?

00:30:21   This was prompted for me to go and do

00:30:24   because of a couple of articles that Dan Morin wrote

00:30:27   over at Six Colors.

00:30:28   It just popped it into my brain

00:30:29   that maybe this is something I should do

00:30:31   to add some additional security into my devices.

00:30:35   - You bet.

00:30:37   So on the surface,

00:30:38   two-factor authentication, just at its most basic level,

00:30:42   is a system in which you cannot log in

00:30:44   with just a username and a password.

00:30:46   system will ask you for an additional

00:30:48   piece of information. So different

00:30:51   services do this differently. Some of

00:30:53   them will send you like an SMS text

00:30:55   message. Apple's old two-step verification

00:30:58   did this. You would get a text with like a

00:31:00   six-digit code and then you put it in

00:31:03   the website. Google and some others use

00:31:06   what are called one-time passwords which

00:31:08   are kind of the same thing but they're

00:31:10   always generating. So you can actually

00:31:13   set this up within one password so you

00:31:15   don't get a text you just look in your authentication app and it gives you a

00:31:19   six-digit code that you need that times out of every 30 seconds or so.

00:31:22   What Apple is doing is even it's kind of a third way and it's custom to Apple

00:31:28   they built it themselves where you go to log into iCloud on the web. So say you

00:31:32   want to look at your iCloud email in a browser which you should never do

00:31:36   because it's terrible but say that you want to do it. You enter your username,

00:31:40   your password and then it says enter the six-digit code and what's happening is

00:31:45   when you enter your password your iPhone and your iPad and your Mac and anything

00:31:50   else

00:31:50   I think actively on comes up with a little popover little window that just

00:31:55   floats on top of everything else in the system and says there's a login attempt

00:32:00   at this place and it shows a map

00:32:02   I'm going to come back to the map because I have a funny bug with it and

00:32:06   it says is this you if it is here's your six digit code and if not I think there's

00:32:11   a link to like deal with some security issues and so you take this six digit

00:32:16   code off your iPhone and you enter on the website and now you can log in to

00:32:21   iCloud email so the idea is it is a real-life like meet space way of saying

00:32:27   you are who you say you are and of course nothing is perfect there are ways

00:32:32   that this could be used against you someone steals your phone and you're

00:32:35   getting SMS text messages and they have your password so someone has your phone

00:32:39   in your password then two-factor is really not going to necessarily help you

00:32:44   all that much if you use text messages. I think that's why Apple moved from that

00:32:48   old two-step SMS message to this new like custom-built two-factor

00:32:52   authentication system. Does that make sense?

00:32:55   Username, password, plus a one-use, one-time string of digits that is designed to

00:33:01   keep you safe. Okay so I'm on, I just checked on my account. I'm on two-step

00:33:07   verification which is the old one. That's the old one and Dan Moran's articles can...

00:33:12   Dan Moran, Dan Moran. That is the correct pronunciation of his name, yes. It is.

00:33:17   Steven and I were talking this week on iMessage and we mentioned Dan Moran and

00:33:21   you need to write it with the letter E with an accent so it's a little...

00:33:26   it makes it a little more French, just a little more... it's a little sexier, a

00:33:30   little European exotic if you will. So basically two factors, instead of just sending me this

00:33:39   alert with the digits, with the code, before it shows me this little map preview, then

00:33:48   I tap on allow, then it gives me the code. Basically the only difference is the map preview?

00:33:56   Yes. Because you still got a code, you still got a code. You still got a code, yeah, you still got a code.

00:34:02   So the old one could also use SMS.

00:34:05   Okay, yeah. And I believe that the new one...

00:34:09   It's never sent me a text message, so no. Yeah, it's just the verification code. So that part is on both systems, but the map is new.

00:34:18   I think the way it works is a little bit more robust.

00:34:24   So once you sign in, you won't be asked for verification code again on that device.

00:34:29   So you're not like… that's one thing Google does, they want your code all the time.

00:34:35   So it's a little more robust if you're kind of within the Apple ecosystem of devices

00:34:39   all the time.

00:34:40   All right.

00:34:42   So what's the downside of doing this?

00:34:45   There must be a catch somewhere.

00:34:47   Let me go through my experiences.

00:34:49   And I feel like the catch is Myke.

00:34:51   Hey!

00:34:52   I did it...

00:34:53   Okay, well let me tell you, let me tell you.

00:34:55   So it's super easy to set up.

00:34:56   You just like go into iCloud settings and turn it on.

00:34:58   Like that's all it takes.

00:35:01   And then you kind of have to just go around to all of your devices and turn it on all

00:35:05   of your devices.

00:35:06   And then you get the notifications on the previous devices that you set it up on to

00:35:10   enable the other devices.

00:35:12   Does that make sense?

00:35:13   You set it up on one, you say yes I want to do this.

00:35:15   and

00:35:29   digit code to type in, it's all very easy to do. It's good when you're on a Mac and

00:35:34   you're on a web browser because the little pop-up just appears in front of you. It's

00:35:38   easy. All of that stuff works really well. What I don't like is that the Apple Watch

00:35:43   isn't included in any of this. Can't get codes in the Apple Watch. But more frustrating is

00:35:49   if you get a notification to enter a code, the iPhone will vibrate but the watch doesn't

00:35:58   ever give you any indication that there's something going on on the phone, which seems

00:36:04   like the complete opposite to security. Like the idea of this is I should know immediately

00:36:10   if someone's trying to do this, but my iPhone vibrating somewhere in the house when I'm

00:36:16   wearing my Apple Watch is no good to me because now I wear my Apple Watch is where my notifications

00:36:22   come, but my Apple Watch doesn't tell me at all that this is happening. The only good

00:36:27   thing is that it will vibrate and make a notification irrespective of what you have set. So I do

00:36:33   not disturb on all the time and it will still vibrate on my iPhone but really I want my

00:36:38   Apple Watch to at least say "hey go and check your phone, someone's trying to do two factor".

00:36:44   I think it's crazy that the Apple Watch doesn't do anything. If for whatever security reasons

00:36:49   which I can't understand it doesn't want to pop up the code then fine, even though soon

00:36:55   I'll be able to log into my Mac if I use this.

00:36:59   And also a weird thing, I think to do that Mac login, I read this in Dan Moran's article,

00:37:04   you have to have two-factor authentication.

00:37:07   I think that's why he moved from two-step to two-factor, is that to do that you have

00:37:11   to have two-factor, but then the Apple Watch isn't included in the two-factor.

00:37:15   I don't get it.

00:37:16   I don't get it.

00:37:17   I don't get it.

00:37:18   But that's not the problem.

00:37:19   The problem is app-specific passwords.

00:37:21   Oh, no.

00:37:22   Which is not Apple.

00:37:25   Paul's fault. I think Dan points out in his article that apps that require this, and I'll

00:37:31   let you explain what it is, it's because the app hasn't updated to use the new system,

00:37:36   I think? Anyways, what was your problem with it? What happened?

00:37:39   So Fantastical popped up an error on the Mac and said, "We can't authenticate. We need

00:37:46   you to give us an app-specific password." So I was like, "All right, I've heard of these

00:37:51   before. I've seen people talk about these. I read about them in the article. That's fine.

00:37:55   So it said like click here and you'll find,

00:37:58   you'll be taken to Apple's website

00:37:59   and they'll tell you how to do it.

00:38:01   So I went to a KBase, you know, I dropped some KBase.

00:38:05   - Yes.

00:38:06   - And I read up on app specific passwords,

00:38:08   I understand what they needed to do.

00:38:10   And it was totally fine, like I created one

00:38:13   and then I put it into FantasticOwl on the Mac

00:38:16   and I was good to go and that seemed like it.

00:38:21   About two or three days later, I thought to myself,

00:38:25   I haven't got a lot of email in the past few days.

00:38:29   So I opened the mail app and I had lots of messages

00:38:33   that airmail didn't know anything about.

00:38:35   So airmail needed an app specific password,

00:38:40   but it doesn't have a way to tell me.

00:38:42   - Even though Fantastical did?

00:38:44   - Fantastical did.

00:38:45   - Yeah, it's airmail's problem.

00:38:47   - It's airmail's problem.

00:38:48   I'm not saying that this is Apple's problem.

00:38:50   I'm just saying that this is a problem.

00:38:53   Like there should be a different way

00:38:55   that this stuff is done.

00:38:57   Like I don't know what it would be.

00:38:58   Like maybe this is the time where Apple need to bake

00:39:03   a lot of these iCloud related services into the system

00:39:07   in the same way that Google does,

00:39:08   where you get thrown out to a view to authenticate, right?

00:39:11   Like maybe Apple needs to do something like that.

00:39:14   I mean, I don't know enough about how this stuff works,

00:39:16   but maybe it's time where I stop entering

00:39:20   my iCloud password into an email application directly,

00:39:25   and that they take a leaf out of Google's book

00:39:26   and do the authentication with some kind of OAuth.

00:39:30   That would negate the need for me to ever give

00:39:32   my iCloud password to something else,

00:39:34   because instead of doing that,

00:39:37   they've decided to do this app-specific passwords thing,

00:39:39   because obviously what it was is if the two-factor,

00:39:42   they can't do two-factor and then say,

00:39:44   you just give your password in plain text to any service that needs it. So they created

00:39:48   app-specific passwords as a way to obfuscate the security, is my assumption, right, is

00:39:52   why they did that. So you're not giving your iCloud password to something and it can be

00:39:56   shut off real easily, just you kill off that service. But this is a reason for why they

00:40:01   should have created something like OAuth-related. Because I now feel like there are apps on

00:40:07   my devices that need an app-specific password, but I don't know. There could be something

00:40:13   else that needs it and I'm not getting some information or something's not working but

00:40:17   I don't know now because there's no way of it telling me because it could even be the

00:40:22   case of like Apple could throw up a thing and say these are all the applications and

00:40:25   services that use your iCloud credentials but they can't do that because they don't

00:40:30   know because I have to just blindly give my iCloud password to a service.

00:40:35   So I think that this is a mess and like I just wasn't getting an email for a few days

00:40:40   and I had some stuff that was pretty important because my personal email is an iCloud account.

00:40:45   I have my business email in Google Apps, but I've been running my iCloud account for over 10 years,

00:40:51   so it's just the one that I use now. I just had no idea. At one point in those three days,

00:41:00   I saw that there was a connection error on my iCloud email, but this was also at the same time

00:41:05   that Apple was having some service outages so I just brushed it off. Yeah it

00:41:10   would be nice I mean I see what you're saying about Google where you

00:41:14   authenticate to like even like so take Google Photos on the Mac it basically

00:41:18   launches a web window where you authenticate to the web and then the app

00:41:23   talks to the web and it lets you in it would be great if Apple would do something

00:41:27   like that but in the absence of that I think Airmail should fail better and

00:41:31   when it can't connect then it should there should be some sort of indication

00:41:36   of what's going on but um...

00:41:40   How do I mean I don't know if they know.

00:41:42   Yeah they may not I mean I don't know if

00:41:44   Fantastical said you need a one-time password then...

00:41:46   Well Fantastical said we're having connection problems have you set up two factor?

00:41:51   Okay so they're they are assuming that maybe this is your fault you know

00:41:56   that you did something the problem with all of it is and I think really I think

00:41:59   is kind of what you're saying is this is too complicated and like two-factor is

00:42:03   great and people should use it like everyone should use this but even for

00:42:07   like tech inclined people like yourself it is kind of a broken experience like I

00:42:13   know when I moved to it on all my google accounts I mean years ago you know

00:42:18   there's a whole process you have to do and then just last year I went from

00:42:22   their SMS service to using the one-time passwords within one password so you

00:42:26   have to like turn off the SMS thing you

00:42:29   have to turn on the one-time password

00:42:31   thing you have to scan a QR code and one

00:42:33   password and let it all sync around like

00:42:34   it was time-consuming and it was tricky

00:42:37   and I had to read a support article so I

00:42:38   knew what order to do things in and I

00:42:41   understand the security is complicated

00:42:43   and this is a hard problem to solve but

00:42:45   the user experience is so difficult I

00:42:48   think it turns a lot of people off to it

00:42:49   that they just assume they can't figure

00:42:51   it out and so they're just going to keep

00:42:52   using their single password with no

00:42:55   second step and their stuff's gonna get hacked.

00:42:58   Like I'm happy to be safer. I figure it is something I should have some kind of

00:43:06   extra step of security on. Like I have it on my Google accounts so it's about time

00:43:11   I put it here but it's frustrating when to add security I've had to make

00:43:18   something more tricky in the background. It doesn't feel like the right way to do

00:43:22   Because now, like, there might be people that now hear me say this and now they're like, "Well, I ain't doing that."

00:43:29   And that feels like the wrong thing, right? Like, people should be hearing me say this and be like, "Awesome! Let me go and enable that immediately."

00:43:38   Yeah, absolutely. I totally agree. It should be better.

00:43:43   So you're gonna use two facts at Federico?

00:43:45   Maybe not. I mean unless I'm forced to. It just seems like a hassle honestly.

00:43:52   So you're already using the two-step, so you do have an added level of security anyway.

00:43:56   I am on two-step and I don't feel like I'm being chased by hackers.

00:44:02   So, of course as I say this, someone is going to try to break into my iCloud account.

00:44:09   Well I guess at a basic level, the level of security you get is similar, right?

00:44:14   Like there is an extra step needed.

00:44:16   I mean I guess unless I'm forced to, like eventually iOS will tell me,

00:44:21   "Hey if you wanna work like discontinuing two steps so you gotta migrate to move to two factor."

00:44:28   Then I'll be like, "Okay, whatever, I'll move."

00:44:31   But until then it just seems like a waste of time because I'm already on two step.

00:44:35   And I mean, the basic difference would be like the map preview.

00:44:39   If someone is trying to log into my account,

00:44:43   and I mean, if I'm not trying to log into my account myself, I will know.

00:44:48   So, you know, when I'll have to, I'll move.

00:44:52   But right now I choose to do something else, I guess.

00:44:56   Yeah, so Steven, you're using the 2FAK. You said there was a thing about the maps that you didn't like?

00:45:01   Yeah, and it's... I think Dan mentioned it in

00:45:05   somewhere. I don't know. But um. Dan Moran. Dan Moran. It's basically using your IP address

00:45:11   to say hey someone is logging in here. The problem like I have is I use Comcast business class and for

00:45:18   everyone in Memphis Comcast business class shows that you're in Jackson Mississippi. Why? Just

00:45:24   hours away. Because the way Comcast has stuff set up on their routing and it would be nice if Apple

00:45:31   were to use some sort of geolocation with that. I don't know if it happens

00:45:36   just on the Mac or on the iOS devices. I have noticed it if I'm logging into

00:45:40   something on the web and I get prompted but if I have location services turned

00:45:46   on I think this is something that is okay to use location services because if

00:45:52   someone has taken my iPad and I'm not aware of it and they're trying to log into

00:45:55   something then it's worth getting like

00:46:00   the location exactly right so it's I

00:46:03   think it's another area for improvement

00:46:04   but um I think it's all worth the

00:46:07   headache but again I'm nerdy and I

00:46:09   understand what it's doing and

00:46:10   understand that it takes time to set up

00:46:12   but they've got to make it easier for

00:46:14   people especially if you know moving

00:46:16   forward they're going to have features

00:46:17   that require it like the auto unlock

00:46:19   from the watch people are going to want

00:46:21   that feature and maybe their technical

00:46:23   reasons maybe they're using it like a

00:46:24   carrot stick situation to get people to use it, but it's got to be more transparent in

00:46:31   what it's doing and how it works if people aren't afraid of it or people aren't afraid

00:46:35   they're going to get locked out of their accounts or something. So I think it's food for thought

00:46:39   for Apple to consider.

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00:48:51   So we have some more details on the Apple produced series on app development that we

00:48:57   heard about a while ago. There is a website and a name and we have some more details.

00:49:03   I'm going to run through them. It's called Planet of the Apps.

00:49:07   Such a terrible name.

00:49:08   It's the most dad joke.

00:49:10   It's like every time it's said, I expect somebody to do a rimshot.

00:49:16   It's terrible.

00:49:17   It's terrible.

00:49:19   I just imagine a weird crossover of an executive meeting at Apple, like Tim Cook and Adi Kiyu

00:49:28   and Federighi and everyone else, and suddenly it turns into a scene from Planet of the Apes,

00:49:34   and these guys are wearing ape costumes and they're running around and smashing MacBooks

00:49:40   and iPads, it's kind of creepy and kind of weird and I don't know why my brain does this,

00:49:44   but yeah, I don't like the name.

00:49:48   So Planet of the Apps.

00:49:53   Okay, this is some notes that I've picked out from the website.

00:49:56   I've taken a look at the copy and the FAQs.

00:49:58   So this is stuff that I found there.

00:50:00   So those selected will have the chance to receive hands-on guidance from some of the

00:50:05   most influential experts in the tech community, featured placement on the App Store and funding

00:50:11   from top tier VCs.

00:50:13   That's what this show is all about.

00:50:15   The featured placement on the App Store is interesting to me, I'll come back to the other

00:50:18   parts in a moment, because I would assume that what we're going to see for the whole

00:50:22   time the show is on is like a special banner, Planet of the Apps, and then you click there

00:50:26   and you'll see all the apps that are mentioned on the shows.

00:50:30   Could be pretty good.

00:50:31   Right?

00:50:32   Yeah, if you're in that list.

00:50:35   Exactly.

00:50:36   "The inaugural season will be filming for some time in late 2016 to early 2017."

00:50:44   So we're probably going to see this in, I don't know, mid to late 2017, I think, as

00:50:48   a season.

00:50:49   Maybe a little bit earlier than that.

00:50:51   "The app that you submit to them must be in beta or functional state by October 21st."

00:50:57   So there's something to show on the show.

00:50:59   So if they're looking at late 2016 I guess they might be looking to start filming in

00:51:03   November time right?

00:51:05   That kind of seems about right.

00:51:06   If they want a beta by then they're going to start judging and start picking people.

00:51:10   And I found a few little interesting tidbits from the Q&A section.

00:51:15   So these are things that you need to tell them.

00:51:17   How much money do you need to take your app to market?

00:51:21   And also those that appear on the show will be required to give up equity unless they

00:51:25   choose to accept an offer from one of the angel advisors or investors. This is basically

00:51:32   Shark Tank or Dragon's Den if you live in the UK.

00:51:35   It's basically the same concept.

00:51:38   So you'll be going in and you'll be saying this is my application, I will need $200,000

00:51:44   and I will give 5% of equity away. Anybody that wants to take a piece of the money. We

00:51:49   are excited to announce our tech expert and talents in the coming weeks. That's the last

00:51:55   part of that I found there.

00:51:57   This whole thing makes me feel just really like, ugh.

00:52:00   Like I had hoped when we first heard about this

00:52:04   that it was gonna be something a little more

00:52:07   documentary focused, right?

00:52:10   And it seems like that there might be a little bit of like

00:52:13   backstagey interview stuff, right?

00:52:15   They're talking about hands-on guidance.

00:52:16   I assume they're gonna show some of that, right?

00:52:18   It'll probably like marketing guidance and stuff like that.

00:52:21   They might show some of these things.

00:52:22   But it really feels more like a reality show competition than anything else.

00:52:28   And I was listening to on your Telegram channel, John Voigt, he's a little audio clip about this.

00:52:34   I'll find it and put it in the show notes.

00:52:35   And he made a really good point that I totally agree with.

00:52:37   It's kind of glorifying the all you need is VC funding to succeed attitude.

00:52:42   And then like once you get that VC funding, you're going to be set for life from the application that you make.

00:52:47   Like it kind of I don't know, like it feels like it kind of just continues to perpetuate that thinking.

00:52:52   Yeah, whereas we were expecting a little more maybe of a documentary show where you can

00:52:59   see like the process of design going through, you know, different mockups and talking to

00:53:05   designers, talking to users, betas, what does it mean to get an app onto the App Store,

00:53:10   what it means to do updates, what it means to be sustainable, you know, the kind of stuff

00:53:14   that we talk about with the developer community.

00:53:17   But of course, you know, Apple is not gonna do a show about indie developers or a documentary

00:53:22   about indie developers for the kind of shows that we host or the kind of blogs that we

00:53:27   have. They're gonna do a show for people sitting in front of the TV eating chips and saying

00:53:32   "oh look at this guy, he wants to build a Pokemon Go-like app and he wants 2 million

00:53:37   dollars and he's such..."

00:53:39   Yeah, because honestly, the what we want would be boring to most people.

00:53:44   Yes.

00:53:45   And this would be exciting to more people.

00:53:48   This is why we're not Hollywood executives, Myke.

00:53:51   But at the same time, if you are working on an app, this could actually make a difference.

00:53:59   If you're working on an application, you have some idea for some social game or social app

00:54:03   that you want to make or whatever, this could be a differentiator for the people that get

00:54:08   on the show because more than anything, it's going to put your name up in lights.

00:54:13   Being on these shows, irrespective of making any investment, can make and break companies

00:54:19   because it's putting you in front of potentially millions of people.

00:54:22   And if people like it, like I know a couple of companies that have been on Shark Tank.

00:54:26   So the previous sponsor of the show, Foot Cardigan, they were on Shark Tank in America

00:54:31   and that was really good for their business.

00:54:33   Like they're happy that they did it.

00:54:35   They're proud that they did it.

00:54:36   Like even in the ads that we read, we spoke about the fact that they were on Shark Tank

00:54:40   and I've spoken to the guys behind Foot Cardigan and it really worked for them.

00:54:45   So this could be something that really works, but I just don't, it just doesn't excite me

00:54:50   in the same way.

00:54:51   And I'm sure we'll be watching it and I'm sure we'll be talking about it, right?

00:54:54   But I was really hoping for something that was a little bit different and it doesn't

00:54:59   really feel like this is very different.

00:55:01   It's basically just the carbon copy of an already existing style of show.

00:55:06   Yes.

00:55:07   Yeah.

00:55:08   Yeah, I agree.

00:55:10   There's not much here that, I mean Apple could do so many things, and this is a side note,

00:55:15   I love the copyright line on the bottom of the website,

00:55:17   some other company, some, I guess, holding company.

00:55:19   But--

00:55:20   - Does this show belong to Apple,

00:55:23   or are they just putting money into it?

00:55:24   - I think they're just, maybe they're just

00:55:25   putting money into it.

00:55:27   The site's built on WordPress,

00:55:29   so I guess that Apple probably doesn't

00:55:31   have complete control.

00:55:32   - And Will.i.am is still involved in some way.

00:55:35   - Of course he is, he's everyone's tech advisor.

00:55:37   - I don't know if he's a judge or whatever.

00:55:38   - I don't know, the whole thing just seems really strange,

00:55:40   and like you, the idea's not all that original.

00:55:44   I don't like the idea that's like a bunch of cheerleading for like the VC business model.

00:55:50   I do think that if you're on it and it goes well for you it could be huge if you're a

00:55:54   developer right like anyone who goes on the show and and is presented in a positive light

00:55:59   I'm sure it's gonna be great and I'm sure to be super interesting to talk to somebody

00:56:03   who actually does this but I'm not like counting down the days till I can download it you know

00:56:10   like that I don't have the level of excitement as I do when I see that Netflix has a new

00:56:14   drama or something that I want to see. You know, like, I don't know, maybe that's

00:56:18   unfair to compare the two, but I am, and I'm just not, like, super pumped about it.

00:56:25   So Federico, are you gonna create an application and submit it to BeyondPlanet with the apps?

00:56:30   Well, you know, I cannot, because I need to be a legal US resident.

00:56:35   Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

00:56:36   According to the FAQ section, so.

00:56:39   So close.

00:56:40   Maybe I can be a mentor, you know.

00:56:41   This would have been such a great launch platform for 123 Notetaker, but I can't do anything.

00:56:46   I have to wait.

00:56:47   You know, Myke, if you're sad about the format, here there was one guy who did a documentary

00:56:54   show about this in a podcast.

00:56:55   Oh yeah?

00:56:56   Yeah, yeah.

00:56:57   A guy from Ireland, I believe, or maybe somewhere in Wales, I guess.

00:57:05   Yeah, podcast.

00:57:07   It was called, I think...

00:57:10   Inside the programs.

00:57:12   Inside the app, maybe?

00:57:16   You should have a link in the show notes, Myke.

00:57:18   I'll find it, I'll find it.

00:57:19   Uh, would you want to be a judge?

00:57:21   I want to be a mentor.

00:57:22   I don't like the word judge.

00:57:23   You want to be a mentor?

00:57:24   I've always dreamed of being a mentor to someone, you know?

00:57:28   Have you ever watched Dragon Ball, the anime?

00:57:30   We've talked about this before.

00:57:32   You know the old guy who teaches Goku about martial arts?

00:57:36   I want to be that guy for someone.

00:57:39   I've been a mentor. You've been a mentor? Sure I have. To whom, Myke? It was my old

00:57:44   work days. Oh yeah? So just to up and coming people in bank marketing. Is mentorship on

00:57:50   your LinkedIn profile? It should be. Alright, but is it exceptional mentorship or just average

00:57:56   mentorship? The best. The best mentorship. So who do you think they're realistically

00:58:05   gonna get to be judges in this show? Someone from TechCrunch and someone from New

00:58:10   York Times. Well it's probably gonna be people that have money to invest though, right? Like

00:58:14   that's the point of it. There's going to be different kinds of people

00:58:17   I think. There's going to be the mentor, like a couple of mentors maybe, like people who

00:58:21   have been in the industry for a long time. There's going to be tech experts and even

00:58:26   entertainment experts. You know, just like people from Hollywood and people from the

00:58:30   the tech scene, so the big time tech blogs like TechCrunch, CNET, maybe the technology

00:58:36   section of the Times, and then there's going to be the VC and the investors and the people

00:58:41   with the money.

00:58:42   So I feel like there's going to be three kinds of people on the show.

00:58:44   And maybe it'll be structured in that way, like in three different segments, like the

00:58:49   developer with the idea, the mentor sort of giving guidance, the tech expert kind of going

00:58:57   through the app, going through the idea from a more tech-ish point of view, and then the

00:59:04   final, where it all goes down, all about the money. So maybe it'll be like in this structure.

00:59:12   That's my idea.

00:59:13   So this isn't what I was hoping it would be, but I do like Dragon's Den, which is the UK

00:59:21   show which is like Shark Tank which I think okay I think that's where the

00:59:26   Shark Tank came from I think it was sold from Dragon's Den but anyway I enjoy

00:59:31   that show I like people that are coming on to pitch their ideas I like it when

00:59:37   they're good I like it when they're bad it's an interesting show to watch this

00:59:41   could be entertaining I just feel like that there is a that it just isn't what

00:59:46   I expected and the name is horrific. That's kind of my overall feelings. But I don't know,

00:59:51   I wish that there was some different ways that they were doing this stuff. I wish that

00:59:55   maybe it wasn't so focused around VCs. But it could be an interesting show, at least

01:00:02   kind of, is like a little bit of a time capsule of app development culture. I don't know.

01:00:09   Yeah, I just hope there's not, you know, what's the name of that guy who owns like a basketball

01:00:15   team and he has a lot of money. Mark Cuban. I just hope that guy is not on the show. I

01:00:20   pretty much expect it will be. No. What's the guy who invested in Gimlet, what's his

01:00:27   name? Chris Sacker. Yeah. Oh yeah, that guy, yeah that guy makes sense for the show. He's

01:00:34   the Twitter guy too. The guy with the Twitter thoughts. Because he was on Shark Tank. I'm

01:00:40   I'm going to put a little bet here that Chris Sucker will be one of the VCs on this app

01:00:46   show. You know what's going to happen though, people will come with their ideas and they'll

01:00:51   be like "Where's the social messaging component? Where are your stickers?"

01:00:55   So what's your AR strategy after Pokemon Go?

01:00:58   What's your AR strategy? Can people catch them all in your application or can they only

01:01:04   catch some of them?

01:01:07   What's your iMessage sticker policy on copyright?

01:01:13   I don't know, I just...

01:01:19   There's so much more to the development community than this sort of app and this sort of approach.

01:01:25   I think people already have an idea of where apps come from that's kind of screwed up,

01:01:31   and this is not going to help that.

01:01:34   How many good apps do we use from like independent developers?

01:01:37   And the stuff on this show may not be representative of that.

01:01:40   So you know, I guess there's a little bit of like, lol bloggers here, where like our

01:01:46   community is a little bit special.

01:01:49   And like the friend developers we're friends with are not the developers who are doing,

01:01:55   you know, big games on Facebook and pay to play and that sort of stuff.

01:02:02   But this sort of show and this sort of idea about development is not going to do anything

01:02:08   like in their favor, right?

01:02:09   It's not going to promote small independent handcrafted apps.

01:02:13   It's going to be stuff that needs VC, stuff that needs to scale, that needs to be on TV

01:02:19   to make it work.

01:02:21   I can already imagine the indie developer at Thanksgiving 2017 with all the family members

01:02:27   around, and he's an indie developer, he makes an app and he makes a decent living.

01:02:31   And the brother-in-law turns to the developer and he's like, "So do you need three million

01:02:37   dollars for your app now?"

01:02:38   And he's like, "No, please, I'm not that kind of developer."

01:02:42   I just feel like it's going to change the perception of a lot of people about apps in

01:02:47   good ways, in bad ways maybe, but in the end it's just a show, you know?

01:02:53   Maybe – I wonder why Apple wants this.

01:02:57   Could be related to the changes coming to the App Store, you know, they want to kind

01:03:01   to open up a little more in terms of business models and even in terms of perception, because

01:03:07   I can make the argument that a lot of people still don't think that making an app costs

01:03:11   any money. Because every time a friend, you know, we're talking, it's like "so you

01:03:15   should make an app". Just people think that apps are like, they exist in some form, sort

01:03:22   of like apples on a tree, and they're just waiting to be picked. And people have no clue

01:03:27   what the development process is like, what design is like, what, you know, having a business

01:03:31   strategy is like. So maybe this show will be good news, but also it'll change the

01:03:36   perception and everyone will start thinking that making an app costs like $2 million and

01:03:43   you need equity, you need investors, you need VC, you need angels, which is an awful word,

01:03:48   but you know, they're called angels. So we'll see how it goes. It's interesting.

01:03:52   I just want to know who's going to be the mentor because I'm going to be jealous.

01:03:55   I just, it's just maybe like a business card thing. I want to have a business card that says "mentor".

01:04:00   I mean, you can just print that now.

01:04:03   But I don't have a... What's the name of the people? The person who is...

01:04:07   Mentee.

01:04:08   I don't have a mentee, so you know, I need to find someone who's gonna follow me and listen to me and ask for advice.

01:04:15   If you would like to be Federico's mentee, just tweet with the hashtag #Tichimentee.

01:04:22   And people don't know how to spell that.

01:04:24   That's part of the whole getting in, right?

01:04:30   I'm pretty sure mentee is a Pokémon, Myke.

01:04:33   Probably. That's part of it, right? That's like test number one is can they spell mentee

01:04:38   or can they find the word mentee? Can they use their skills to unearth the word mentee

01:04:44   and then they tweet something, maybe tweet their LinkedIn profile or like a Twitter image

01:04:51   of their resume to Federico, #teachimenti.

01:04:55   I think you have to fax it in, and he'll mentor you out of faxing.

01:04:59   Yeah.

01:05:00   There's many ways.

01:05:02   There's lots of things we can do here.

01:05:03   But yeah, I think you could be a mentor.

01:05:06   All those people that want to understand Google Analytics and page views and stuff, right?

01:05:13   You could help them with that.

01:05:14   Like, how do you deal with an embargo coming up while you're shopping at IKEA and you have

01:05:20   two bars of 3G. What do you do? What's the best strategy there?

01:05:24   Sit down, let me talk to you about App Store propagation.

01:05:26   Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of lessons we could go through and a lot of real life

01:05:30   experiences I could give to this person.

01:05:33   What do you do when you accidentally tweet about an application before you're supposed

01:05:37   to? How do you deal with screenshots of your home screen when you have betas there?

01:05:42   How do you batch rename screenshots for a beta and put them on the CDN without people

01:05:47   figuring out the link?

01:05:49   Eggs 101. Footnotes. Oh man. See? There's so much to teach. Yeah I know, I know. So

01:05:59   just find me a mentee, Myke, and we'll take you from there. You can do it, you have a

01:06:04   game with the hashtags lately. So there you go, you just tweet #teachingmentee, which

01:06:12   is my new favourite thing, and I will pick someone for you. We still haven't talked about

01:06:19   It's going to be like a paid service.

01:06:21   It's going to be just out of goodwill for selected people.

01:06:25   You're the mentor. What do you want to do?

01:06:27   I think if you're paying them, you're a professor, not a mentor.

01:06:30   A mentor is someone who is only interested in the future,

01:06:33   and the future is embodied in this person.

01:06:36   Alright, but not to, like, doesn't take too much out of my day.

01:06:40   No, you set that. You set that with the person.

01:06:42   That's an agreement. That's a verbal contract.

01:06:45   Alright. Yeah, yeah. So I can be a mentor.

01:06:48   All right, so there you go, perfect.

01:06:50   Okay, so we'll follow up in next week, and if we have any applications, any

01:06:56   propositions from the people with the hashtag.

01:07:00   Excellent. I'm already really excited about the search.

01:07:04   Do you want to be my mentee, Myke? Have you thought about being a blogger? You sure?

01:07:08   I've considered it. I've considered it, but I've decided not to do it.

01:07:12   I can turn you into professional bloggers.

01:07:14   If you want to.

01:07:18   If you'd like to find the show notes for this week's episode, go to relay.fm/connected/99.

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01:07:32   the show. We would appreciate it. If you want to find Federica online, he is @Vitiici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I

01:07:38   on Twitter, and he is at MentorStories.net if you're... Oh wait, sorry, no, MaxStories.net.

01:07:46   I let slip about your future product there.

01:07:49   I don't think we ever mentioned this on the show,

01:07:52   but because this happened during WWDC,

01:07:56   where I purchased iOS stories.net.

01:08:00   - Yes, you did.

01:08:02   - I did, didn't I?

01:08:03   - Appreciate we were at some party and--

01:08:06   - We were at the ad camp for girls party.

01:08:07   - Oh yes.

01:08:08   - And I can't remember how it came up,

01:08:10   but I asked you if you owned the URL, you said no,

01:08:14   and then I said, well, I'm gonna buy it.

01:08:16   So I now own it. I own iOS stories dot net. And as I said to you and I say it now, you

01:08:24   can have it whenever you want it. But until then, I'll just take care of it for you. It's

01:08:29   like babysitting.

01:08:30   Thank you, Myke.

01:08:32   No problem. No problem. I think I typed in the wrong URL for the redirect. I apologize.

01:08:38   If you'd like to find Steven online, you can go to 512 pixels dot net, where you will find

01:08:43   lots of stuff about really old computers and some things about new computers too.

01:08:48   And Steven is @ismh on Twitter.

01:08:52   I am @imike and I am @iosstories.net.

01:08:56   If you want to go and read some stuff about iOS,

01:09:00   that is the best place to do that. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week

01:09:05   for episode 100. Until then,

01:09:08   say goodbye guys. Adios!

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