95: RelayCon WWDC 2016


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00:00:07   >> Hey.

00:00:08   [ Applause ]

00:00:12   From Relay FM, this is RelayCon WWDC live in San Francisco.

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00:00:24   >> Hey, buddy.

00:00:25   >> Hey.

00:00:26   >> So, this is amazing.

00:00:28   Thank you so much to everyone who's here.

00:00:30   Right now, we are like so happy to do this.

00:00:32   This is our first live WWDC show, first of many.

00:00:37   - Many?

00:00:39   - Yeah.

00:00:40   - I need to recover.

00:00:41   - So we're just blown away that we can do this

00:00:45   and thank you all for coming.

00:00:47   I also wanna say as well for anybody listening,

00:00:49   thank you if you signed up for the waiting list.

00:00:52   We're sorry, next year we'll have a bigger room.

00:00:55   - We'll move next door, it's much bigger.

00:00:57   Okay, we'll do that, that's fine.

00:00:59   I just wanna very quickly say that RelayCon

00:01:01   has been a massive undertaking for us,

00:01:03   thanks to this guy, so thank you for doing it.

00:01:06   (audience applauding)

00:01:08   And also our sponsors, we have some sponsors this evening

00:01:11   that we'll talk about a little later on,

00:01:12   but first off, thanks to Cards Against Humanity.

00:01:15   They didn't want us to read an ad,

00:01:18   they just wanted to have a drink, so.

00:01:20   (audience laughing)

00:01:21   Drinks are on cards.

00:01:22   So first off, let me introduce our co-host of Connected on Real

00:01:28   AFM, Federico Vatici.

00:01:30   [APPLAUSE]

00:01:33   You can sit down now.


00:01:37   How's everybody doing?

00:01:38   All right?

00:01:40   Let's do this.

00:01:42   All right.

00:01:45   What you want to talk about?

00:01:46   Hi.

00:01:47   Long time no see.

00:01:48   I know.

00:01:48   Look at this guy.

00:01:49   He's in San Francisco.

00:01:51   I know, it's nice.

00:01:54   So we travelled here together, why don't you tell the people what it was like to travel

00:02:00   with me?

00:02:01   Well, you took good care of me, Myke.

00:02:03   I did.

00:02:04   Yeah, I mean, it's kind of surreal to be looking at all of you right now.

00:02:11   It feels great.

00:02:13   It's nice.

00:02:14   You're nice people.

00:02:15   I mean, Europeans, Americans, we're all nice people.

00:02:19   And everybody else of course.

00:02:22   No offense.

00:02:25   We had a London meetup.

00:02:27   We had a London meetup.

00:02:31   It was amazing.

00:02:32   Well, not everyone had a meetup.

00:02:34   As the show goes, you were dead in that.

00:02:39   You set that up and we had to tell everyone that unfortunately you couldn't make it because

00:02:44   you were deceased.

00:02:45   I feel better now though.

00:02:46   That's good.

00:02:47   I'm really pleased you made it.

00:02:49   So this was your first keynote.

00:02:52   What did you think?

00:02:53   - There were a lot of people,

00:02:57   which is unusual for me because I never get to talk

00:03:01   with this stuff with a lot of people.

00:03:03   It was great.

00:03:04   I'm just gonna say right now,

00:03:07   I was looking for more iPad stuff.

00:03:10   (audience laughing)

00:03:13   - I feel like he's like saying it to someone.

00:03:16   At least we got a file system, but that's okay.

00:03:21   For some people.

00:03:22   For some people.

00:03:24   There we go. Thank you so much.

00:03:27   So, what was it like to stand in line? What time did you get in line this morning?

00:03:32   7 a.m.

00:03:33   7 a.m.

00:03:35   So we went to 7 a.m. to take it easy because it was a bigger location.

00:03:39   And I feel like there was no need to go like at 2 a.m.

00:03:45   I could, there was no need to maybe be the first in line.

00:03:50   But it was a really nice location.

00:03:52   I don't know what the keynotes are like in Moscone, but this one was very nice.

00:03:57   Almost European, the whole setup.

00:04:00   Why is everything European?

00:04:02   Because the columns and architecture and stuff, like it wasn't American.

00:04:05   I mean it was American but not real American.

00:04:07   You know what I mean?

00:04:09   Right?

00:04:10   Fedrick, let me ask you this.

00:04:11   So you went to the watch event in March?

00:04:13   Yes.

00:04:14   year ago now. How did that feel compared to this one? I mean obviously this is like, this is Super Bowl for us, right?

00:04:21   I think there's basketball going on tonight or something, who cares? This is our week.

00:04:26   I'll tell you what, developers are really nice people, but press people, they're all standing in line and pushing each other,

00:04:33   they wanna rush to the front line, I mean I'm sorry Dan, I'm sorry Jason, you two are an exception, but they're all, it's a very different feeling,

00:04:42   When you go to this kind of developer event,

00:04:47   it feels more like we're all in this together.

00:04:51   Even if-- I mean, I don't make apps.

00:04:53   I write about apps.

00:04:55   But it feels like there's more of a communal feeling,

00:04:57   of a collaboration feeling.

00:04:59   And instead of a press event, it's more of everyone's there

00:05:03   to do their job, which is to write about Apple

00:05:07   because they have to.

00:05:10   Which is okay, because that's also my job.

00:05:17   It's a different feeling, and I feel like this one is more genuine, maybe.

00:05:21   That's what I would say.

00:05:22   >> So let's talk about what happened today.

00:05:25   Mac OS.

00:05:26   >> They didn't capitalize the M. >> No, they didn't do that, did they?

00:05:30   How do you feel about that?

00:05:31   >> A little dead inside.

00:05:33   >> Yeah?

00:05:34   Have you set up Texas Band of Snoopers yet?

00:05:37   >> I did.

00:05:38   Mac OS now changing to, you know, without the X.

00:05:43   And it is semicolon M-O-S-S.

00:05:46   Not sure what that says, how I feel about the name,

00:05:49   'cause it spells moss, but it works.

00:05:51   - Okay, so I wanna talk a little bit about Mac OS.

00:05:56   Mac-acos. - No.

00:05:58   - I love that, by the way.

00:05:59   I'll get you through that, AKC.

00:06:02   What do you think about the Siri integration?

00:06:04   'Cause I think we're all expecting

00:06:07   a really crazy Siri keynote.

00:06:10   - Yeah, so I mean, we go into these things

00:06:13   and something's in the news cycle.

00:06:15   Your podcast talk about it, it's on websites.

00:06:18   And it's really easy to think it's really gonna blow it

00:06:22   out of the water.

00:06:23   And I, for one, for off the bat,

00:06:24   actually answer your question before I leave it.

00:06:27   I think it's good.

00:06:29   I think Siri on the Mac is gonna be a good thing

00:06:31   for the platform.

00:06:32   It's something Apple has worked over time.

00:06:35   You know, it started on the iPhone and then the iPad

00:06:37   and now it's on the Mac.

00:06:39   Do I wish it could do more?

00:06:42   Of course, but of course this is day one, right?

00:06:45   We don't really know what developers are gonna be able to do.

00:06:48   I don't know what these guys and leaders

00:06:50   are gonna do with it yet, but I think it's a good start.

00:06:53   And I think that the Mac will benefit

00:06:55   from the time that Siri has had on the iPhone and the iPad,

00:06:59   and of course the watch, when it works.

00:07:01   True story, I set a timer to come up here

00:07:04   and tell you guys to sit down on my watch,

00:07:06   and it just didn't do anything.

00:07:08   And then I pulled my phone out, so it's really working well.

00:07:11   But overall, I'm excited, and I think the opportunities

00:07:14   that it presents on the Mac,

00:07:17   it's sort of new ground for Mac developers,

00:07:20   where they really haven't had that in a long time.

00:07:22   And so something new, a big new feature coming to the Mac

00:07:25   is exciting to me.

00:07:26   - All right, so you are a person

00:07:28   that knows your way around the Mac.

00:07:30   - Yes.

00:07:31   - Are you ever gonna use it?

00:07:32   (audience laughing)

00:07:35   - I think that my hesitation is that I don't,

00:07:40   I don't even like talking to my phone.

00:07:42   Even if I'm home alone working, just me and the dog,

00:07:44   it still feels a little weird.

00:07:45   There's some awkwardness there.

00:07:47   But I'm willing to give it a shot,

00:07:49   especially if it can get below the surface a little bit.

00:07:53   They did some of that advanced searching,

00:07:55   which of course you can do that in Spotlight.

00:07:57   You can tell Spotlight, find me a file with this date,

00:07:59   with this tag that, you know, it's got the word Casey in it.

00:08:05   (audience laughing)

00:08:07   I don't need to know about that.

00:08:09   But if you can do that with your voice,

00:08:12   I think that's gonna be interesting.

00:08:13   I think time will tell if I end up adopting it.

00:08:17   - All right, one of the things that I think

00:08:18   is really interesting about the Mac now

00:08:20   is the logging in with the Apple Watch.

00:08:23   Now, I'm kind of going back and forth in my brain about this

00:08:28   as to whether it really is worth having

00:08:31   the Apple Watch for it, or if you could just do it

00:08:33   the iPhone and you want to sell more Apple watches? What do you think?

00:08:37   I think it's one of those things that... I think Apple likes to give those of us who

00:08:44   use all their devices little rewards for doing that almost.

00:08:49   It's like a loyalty program.

00:08:50   Yeah, it's like you spend all this money, you can now do this cool thing. But I think

00:08:55   that it's a benefit to people who have a Mac and have an Apple watch. Is it going to be

00:08:59   something that sells a bunch of Apple watches or doesn't sell a bunch of Apple watches?

00:09:03   I don't think so. I think at the end of the day it's going to be really cool for those of us who want to use it

00:09:07   but I don't think it's going to drastically change the direction that product is headed in.

00:09:13   I mean it's this year's Sherlock for Mac ID, right?

00:09:16   Yeah. Is the developer of Mac ID here?

00:09:19   Good.

00:09:20   Okay.

00:09:21   Universal Clipboard. Now this is one that they spoke about in the Mac but obviously it affects iOS as well.

00:09:28   this is interesting.

00:09:31   Like, 'cause you look at it and you think,

00:09:33   oh, that seems like something I want.

00:09:35   But then I start thinking about all of the things

00:09:36   that I might copy on one device,

00:09:38   and then they just randomly, like,

00:09:40   just hijack the clipboard of another device.

00:09:43   - Right, I think it will be something

00:09:45   that is frustrating to use if you're going back and forth.

00:09:48   Like, you're doing something on your Mac,

00:09:50   you pick up your iPhone and do something.

00:09:52   But I don't know how many people actually work that way.

00:09:53   I know that I don't.

00:09:54   If I'm at my Mac, I'm sitting and working at my Mac,

00:09:56   and then if I pick my phone up to go for a walk,

00:09:58   then I'm on my phone.

00:10:00   So I think there will be opportunity

00:10:03   for it to do the wrong thing,

00:10:04   or for it to break your expectation,

00:10:07   because I'm working on my Mac,

00:10:08   and I've copied something, and I come back later,

00:10:11   and that's still in my mind is what's on my clipboard.

00:10:15   But you can just use a clipboard history manager

00:10:17   like a gentleman, and you'll be okay.

00:10:19   - What do you think?

00:10:20   'Cause it's gonna be iOS to iOS as well.

00:10:22   - That's what I wanna understand, right?

00:10:25   It was part of the continuity features.

00:10:27   So it's not clear to me at least yet

00:10:29   if it's going to be on the local network only,

00:10:32   or if my iPhone is on 3G and the iPad is on Wi-Fi.

00:10:36   I think it's going to be really nice.

00:10:38   There's no interface, which is kind of what

00:10:40   concerns me coming from a real clipboard manager.

00:10:44   And I feel like it's going to be interesting to see which

00:10:47   apps opt out of the feature.

00:10:49   Because if I'm-- like 1Password, for example.

00:10:51   Can they opt out?

00:10:52   They can, yes.

00:10:54   And there's going to be also, I feel like, some timestamp

00:10:57   expiration.

00:10:59   Yeah.

00:11:00   So there's going to be the ability for developers

00:11:02   to opt out of that feature.

00:11:04   What I want to understand is, without an interface,

00:11:08   anything I copy just propagates to another device.

00:11:11   I don't know.

00:11:12   We'll see.

00:11:12   I use a Clip Manager now, which is nice,

00:11:14   because I get to see what I copy.

00:11:16   Without one, it's just up to the iCloud gods, I guess.

00:11:22   Now, there was one app--

00:11:24   so when we were planning this out,

00:11:25   I was like, what are we going to talk about?

00:11:26   Right?

00:11:26   Because it all happened this morning,

00:11:27   so I've been thinking of what we're

00:11:28   going to talk about today.

00:11:29   And there was one app that came up, and I was like, oh, perfect.

00:11:32   Photos, photo management.

00:11:34   That's three.

00:11:34   Photo management.

00:11:35   We've never covered that.

00:11:36   Oh, should we start from the start?

00:11:37   Have you ever heard of Everpix?

00:11:39   Does anyone?

00:11:40   So Photos apparently got a bunch of features.

00:11:44   See, I say apparently.

00:11:45   I'm so judging of it already.

00:11:47   That seemed to be Google Photos Like, right?

00:11:51   Like is, I mean, yeah.

00:11:53   - Days through, is it, they said deep learning?

00:11:58   Deep learning went up to today?

00:11:59   - Yeah, they really like to say deep learning

00:12:00   and AI and advanced computer vision,

00:12:02   which runs like a movie from the '80s.

00:12:05   But it's close to, I mean, it's really close

00:12:09   to Google Photos and the Google Assistant feature.

00:12:11   I mean, Memories from Apple, Assistant from Google.

00:12:14   Like down to the video stuff with the stock music, basically.

00:12:20   You can make videos with sounds.

00:12:22   It's nice.

00:12:24   It's nice.

00:12:25   It makes sense for people like -- I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but people like

00:12:30   my mom, for example, they take a bunch of pictures and they can easily make a movie

00:12:33   because they just want to mess around with other tools.

00:12:37   >> So one of the things Apple is claiming they're able to do with the new Photos app

00:12:40   is to make connections between things and learn faces and they can tell you something's

00:12:45   a horse, something's a mountain.

00:12:47   Like how Google Photos does.

00:12:49   Right?

00:12:50   Do you believe that they can do this without leveraging something like Google has?

00:12:59   Hopefully they can tell the difference between a horse and a mountain.

00:13:01   I'll give them that.

00:13:02   I used horse and mountain in an upgrade as well.

00:13:04   I don't know why.

00:13:05   It was in the keynote I think.

00:13:06   Was it?

00:13:07   Was it in the keynote?

00:13:08   Does anybody know?

00:13:09   Oh that's weird.

00:13:10   Underscore says yes and underscore is the record keeper of all things.

00:13:12   So yeah, I mean obviously what you're getting to right is that you upload your photos to

00:13:18   Google Photos and it is using the power of their cloud infrastructure to do all that

00:13:24   stuff where Apple is going to do it on this. Which I'm not a computer scientist.

00:13:29   He picked up his iPhone by the way.

00:13:30   Yeah sorry audio listeners. I don't think this iPhone is as powerful as Google's entire

00:13:35   cloud infrastructure. I could be wrong. I don't think I am. And so can they pull it

00:13:42   off in a way that is convincing and in a way that really competes Google Photos? I don't

00:13:48   know, but I don't know if they have to to be a compelling feature. I think somebody who

00:13:52   isn't going to use Google Photos for privacy reasons, or they just don't know about it, or they can't upload 70 gigs of photos over

00:13:59   DSL, if it's just happening on their iPad, then they will benefit from that

00:14:03   experience. It may not be as good as Google.

00:14:06   I kind of think it won't be just because that's really Google's bread and butter, and it's not Apple's.

00:14:11   But maybe this is, maybe that will change. Maybe next year if we're in that bigger room

00:14:15   We say you know what Apple's done as good of a job as Google has I'd like to say that but right now

00:14:20   I'm a little hesitant to jump in but they talked about this

00:14:23   Differential privacy feature which I mean we're all talking without having read the documentation basically

00:14:29   I will never read it so they explained this car. I know you're gonna wait for the audiobook version

00:14:35   video version alright

00:14:37   So they explained this concept which is way above my head

00:14:40   I don't know. But the idea is they're gonna pull the knowledge from a lot of users while staying private and

00:14:47   trying to spot trends in that kind of knowledge. Now

00:14:51   I don't know if you can like pull the knowledge of horses from millions of pictures.

00:14:55   Horses and mountains.

00:14:56   Yes, sorry.

00:14:57   Apologize.

00:14:59   But I mean, I'm not too optimistic right now.

00:15:03   I feel bad, right?

00:15:05   Why do you feel bad?

00:15:07   For Apple, they have billions in the back.

00:15:09   Like, 'cause I'm just like immediately, immediately,

00:15:11   I'm like, they can't do it.

00:15:13   I just immediately just think they can't do it.

00:15:15   - I mean, there's a history to that complaint.

00:15:18   And it's something that is, you know,

00:15:20   when Google announced it, it was kind of in line

00:15:22   with what they do other places, right?

00:15:25   That they do this sort of big data set,

00:15:28   pull trends together type stuff.

00:15:30   And Apple just hasn't done that yet.

00:15:32   And in the State of the Union, talking about the,

00:15:35   what did you call it?

00:15:37   - Differential privacy.

00:15:38   - Thank you.

00:15:38   going to remember that. They're they've already been using it in things like news and I think

00:15:43   they had some examples of like ways that it works already. So maybe they can do it. You

00:15:48   know my bigger questions around that sort of thing are like I own an iPhone and I own

00:15:54   an iPad and I own a Mac. And if I buy into the system which my photos are still on Dropbox

00:15:58   I'm not even in photos app yet. How like are they passing that metadata structure around

00:16:05   Or is like my iPad and my iPhone and my Mac all doing this independently?

00:16:09   If they're doing it independently, are the results the same on all of them?

00:16:12   I hope they're not doing that.

00:16:14   Who knows, man?

00:16:15   Like it's the Wild West right now.

00:16:18   But they're very obviously very concerned about the privacy angle, which I appreciate.

00:16:22   I use Google Photos.

00:16:23   I think we all do at this point.

00:16:25   Just for like a searching.

00:16:26   Yeah, I use it to find things because I don't think I can't sync my whole library to my

00:16:31   phone.

00:16:32   It makes really nice black and white pictures of you, by the way.

00:16:34   Google photos.

00:16:35   Yeah, you look great in black and white.

00:16:38   You should consider that as an avatar.

00:16:39   I have to say though, it's been nice this week, because I've been getting a bunch of

00:16:44   like, "Three years ago, you're a WWDC" type stuff popping up.

00:16:48   And I know that Apple's doing some of that, like the memory stuff as well.

00:16:52   And it seems like what they're...

00:16:53   It's quite ambitious what they're trying to do, right?

00:16:55   Like linking people together, linking places together.

00:16:58   And you know, we were making fun of the videos, right?

00:17:00   But it looks like the picture stuff looks pretty good.

00:17:03   Yeah, and especially when you consider all the different kinds of pictures that can put together like or videos like slow-mo videos or live photos

00:17:10   Or you know like the time-lapse for example, so they have these different types of media

00:17:15   It's not just like a picture and a video. It's multiple types of videos and pictures

00:17:19   Which is interesting to to see like you don't have to do anything about you know, putting together manually

00:17:27   It's all automatic and if they can pull it off

00:17:29   I mean if you consider the scale of the photos app the billions of people basically using that so

00:17:36   It has potential but I want to be subtle neutral, you know, not to optimistic not to pessimistic. It's wayne see yeah

00:17:43   Swift playgrounds

00:17:46   Right. Yeah now

00:17:49   Can you give a brief overview as to what Swift because this is not Xcode, right?

00:17:55   What is Swift Playgrounds on iOS?

00:17:58   Like what is the basis of what this is?

00:18:00   I mean I'm not the best person to do that.

00:18:02   I figured, do you know more?

00:18:04   I can try.

00:18:05   All right.

00:18:06   Right, so the idea is...

00:18:07   You were there.

00:18:09   I was there.

00:18:10   I'm okay.

00:18:12   This guy.

00:18:13   So the idea is it's an app where you can learn Swift and there's a bunch of courses and lessons

00:18:20   that you can take.

00:18:22   And they teach you Swift in this interactive fashion.

00:18:26   And it's real code, but some of the features that you use to put together this code are

00:18:31   not the usual stuff that you see in Xcode.

00:18:34   So for example, you want to create a repeat loop, you drag a bunch of things around, and

00:18:39   you can do that visually and manually with multi-touch.

00:18:43   And they show this demo of putting together different games, or scenarios where you have

00:18:48   this character on screen and you want to teach a character to walk or to jump and you put

00:18:53   together these comments in a very simple fashion and then you can advance the courses and do

00:18:57   more complicated stuff.

00:18:59   And then in the State of the Union they show the more adventurous type of things such as

00:19:05   accessing the iOS SDK or iOS APIs and doing real stuff like a color picker for example.

00:19:13   So it can go pretty deep then.

00:19:15   Yeah, and I mean, of course, I saw the workflow guys on Twitter.

00:19:19   They access Objective-C in the Swift playgrounds.

00:19:22   I mean, those guys are crazy.

00:19:25   But it is possible.

00:19:26   So, it's not Xcode.

00:19:29   So Casey, I mean, so the backstory here.

00:19:34   A while back, Casey told me, "If it's gonna be anything more than playgrounds, I'll buy

00:19:39   you a bottle of anything."

00:19:41   So close.

00:19:43   I took a screenshot of that.

00:19:46   It's still in my notes app, as Casey's promised.

00:19:50   Now, I don't know, am I supposed to buy you

00:19:52   a bottle of anything?

00:19:53   We're good?

00:19:54   It's OK.

00:19:54   We're good.

00:19:55   We have witnesses here.

00:19:56   Yeah, we're all good.

00:19:57   All right.

00:19:58   Federico, tell me, do you think that this

00:20:02   is a sign of the maturity of the iOS platform?

00:20:05   Yeah, definitely.

00:20:05   I mean, you cannot create apps on the iPad, which I guess

00:20:10   is going to be the new meme going forward.

00:20:14   But it's definitely a sign of any platform where

00:20:16   you can start do programming.

00:20:18   I feel like it's a sign of growing up.

00:20:20   And you can see that growing up from the consumer standpoint

00:20:23   where more extensions giving developers more access.

00:20:26   And you can see that maturity from a real programming

00:20:30   point of view, which is you can write code

00:20:32   and you can see what's happening.

00:20:33   So it's still not Xcode.

00:20:36   I'm not sure when we'll get Xcode.

00:20:39   I want to be optimistic here and say, well, get there eventually.

00:20:44   But it's nice, especially because I'm thinking in education scenarios.

00:20:49   And there's these kids--

00:20:50   There's an educator over there, I think.

00:20:52   I think there's an educator over there.

00:20:54   I think there's some guy--

00:20:56   Fist pump guy, I think.

00:20:57   Some guy I do some podcast with.

00:21:00   And when you have these kids using iPads in classrooms for books

00:21:06   and apps and courses, and then you reach the point

00:21:09   where you're like, okay, I wanna teach programming,

00:21:12   and you have to move to a Mac,

00:21:14   which, you know, respect to the Mac, but--

00:21:17   - Easy.

00:21:18   - I know, don't bring--

00:21:22   - I can ship you an iMac.

00:21:23   - I'm just saying. - Or 15.

00:21:26   - The transition to, from an iPad to Xcode

00:21:31   could be smoother, maybe.

00:21:34   It could be like growing up with the iPad

00:21:36   and eventually moving to the Mac

00:21:37   when you get to do real development with apps.

00:21:42   So I think we'll get there.

00:21:43   It's just baby steps.

00:21:46   - I like the educational angle to it,

00:21:48   and you and I were talking this morning,

00:21:50   neither you or I are developers.

00:21:52   I shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it,

00:21:56   but it's really, I mean, it's built in a way, obviously,

00:21:58   to, there's a classroom angle to it,

00:22:00   and especially in the demo they used,

00:22:01   which I think was really purposeful,

00:22:04   saying, you know, this is this guy,

00:22:05   you're gonna move him around,

00:22:06   and you can see it visually as it's happening.

00:22:09   But even for somebody like me, or maybe someone like you,

00:22:12   who maybe wanna get into this at some point,

00:22:15   I can see it being a really easy way in.

00:22:17   I mean, my hat's off to all of you developers here tonight,

00:22:21   because it seems so daunting to me to do it as a job.

00:22:26   And to see an easy way in, where maybe if it's not me,

00:22:29   but maybe one of my kids wants to learn it,

00:22:31   or, you know, so many easier ways in, so good.

00:22:36   And I mean the cynic is like well apples like embedding Swift and all of our children's minds like cool. Let's do it

00:22:43   Do you think you do technical says you're gonna try it? I'm definitely gonna play with it

00:22:48   I think that it is if anything I want to see what this type of work is like on the iPad

00:22:53   I don't know if I'm gonna go right now anytime soon, but I am excited to at least spend some time with it you

00:22:59   What do you think?

00:23:01   Yeah, yeah

00:23:03   Micros right I'm gonna build one two three note taker

00:23:06   All right, I'm taking this joke as far as I can go

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00:25:01   All right, now let me introduce my next guest,

00:25:04   my co-host of "Upgrade" on Relay FM, Mr. Jason Snell.

00:25:08   Look at him running for the stage, Jason Snell.

00:25:10   (audience cheering)

00:25:12   Hello, person.

00:25:13   Please take a microphone.

00:25:15   - Do I get to sit here?

00:25:16   - You get to sit right next to me.

00:25:17   - I was in the back.

00:25:18   You read that really fast.

00:25:20   I thought I had lots of time.

00:25:21   - On point today.

00:25:24   - Yeah, you're so professionals.

00:25:25   - Jason, before we begin,

00:25:28   - Is the new Apple file system a robot?

00:25:32   - I don't think I'm qualified to answer that,

00:25:36   but I know someone who is.

00:25:38   - Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. John Siracusa.

00:25:42   (audience cheering)

00:25:45   So can you tell me, is the new Apple file system a robot?

00:25:50   - Hold on, hold on a second.

00:25:52   Robot or not?

00:25:54   Robot or not?

00:25:55   All right, now, again.

00:25:57   - That question is like the one that inspired the show

00:26:02   in the first place in that it is very dumb.

00:26:03   - Stupid.

00:26:04   (audience laughing)

00:26:06   - The original question was the dance from the 80s,

00:26:09   the robot, is that a robot?

00:26:11   That is not a robot.

00:26:12   Neither is the file system.

00:26:13   Bad question.

00:26:15   - Are you having a good day though?

00:26:17   - I am having a good day.

00:26:18   - Yeah.

00:26:19   Jason, do you have a bad question?

00:26:21   - Yeah, I do.

00:26:21   Okay, so John, people have been trying to understand

00:26:25   your definition of a robot.

00:26:27   We've learned that a Roomba is a robot,

00:26:29   nanobots may be robots,

00:26:31   other things that people think are robots are not robots.

00:26:34   Somebody gave me a very detailed hypothetical

00:26:36   that I wanted to run past you.

00:26:37   - Right.

00:26:38   (audience laughing)

00:26:40   - This is how the show goes, is basically like this.

00:26:42   I say long sentences and John's like, "Mm-hmm."

00:26:45   - Right.

00:26:47   - So imagine there was a robot,

00:26:49   well, okay, you decide.

00:26:51   There's an object, there's a machine, and it's on a track.

00:26:55   And it's in, let's say, some sort of terrain

00:26:56   where the sun shines at various times of the day.

00:27:00   And this machine has a flower pot.

00:27:03   - This is getting complicated.

00:27:04   (audience laughs)

00:27:05   - And the flower pot, the goal of the machine,

00:27:07   the machine's been programmed, it's got a light sensor,

00:27:09   and it can move up and down the track.

00:27:10   And the goal is to keep the flower pot in the sun

00:27:14   as much as possible so the flower grows.

00:27:16   So I realize this is a hypothetical,

00:27:18   but the idea there is it can move,

00:27:20   although only on one dimension on a track,

00:27:22   and it's looking for the light

00:27:23   because it needs to keep the plant in the light.

00:27:26   Is that a robot?

00:27:27   - How big is the vehicle in comparison to the track?

00:27:31   (audience laughing)

00:27:32   - How can that, see, I'm not usually here,

00:27:34   there's a good reason.

00:27:35   How can that make any difference to your answer?

00:27:38   - It just does.

00:27:40   - Robots, robots.

00:27:41   - How big is it compared to the track?

00:27:43   Like is the track the length of this room

00:27:45   and the thing moving is half the length of the room?

00:27:48   Or is the track miles long?

00:27:50   - I think the track is like the size

00:27:51   of an office building, let's say,

00:27:52   It's like a big flower pot, really huge flower pot.

00:27:57   Like a bed with flowers in it.

00:28:01   - I think that's a robot.

00:28:03   Kind of like Wheatley or whatever,

00:28:06   what was the name from Portal, the big orb guy?

00:28:09   Audience?

00:28:10   - Wheatley.

00:28:11   - Wheatley, I got it, okay.

00:28:12   He was stuck on a track too,

00:28:14   but eventually he jumped off of the track.

00:28:15   Being stuck on a track doesn't mean you're not a robot.

00:28:17   He's mobile and it's just making decisions

00:28:19   about where to go, like the room ball.

00:28:20   Like have I been there, am I hitting a wall,

00:28:22   Is there a gap here or whatever?

00:28:24   So it has a simple logic of follow the light.

00:28:27   And I mean, the flower is silly.

00:28:29   That doesn't need to be there.

00:28:29   It could just be following the light

00:28:31   for its own solar panel purpose.

00:28:32   The flower is a red herring.

00:28:33   But I think that's a cruddy robot

00:28:37   and I think that's a robot.

00:28:38   - I think we've done it.

00:28:41   - I feel like anytime it's actually a robot,

00:28:43   it is a huge victory.

00:28:45   - It's not that rare.

00:28:46   Did you ever run the stats?

00:28:47   People are like, "Oh, this is never a robot."

00:28:49   Did we ever look at what it is?

00:28:50   It's a low percentage, but it's not like 1%.

00:28:52   - I'm gonna have to call Wikipedia about that one.

00:28:53   I get to crunch the numbers about that.

00:28:55   But it's often, people are very sad

00:28:58   when their favorite science fiction machine is--

00:28:59   - 'Cause they think everything is a robot

00:29:00   because robots are cool and they like something, whatever.

00:29:03   - But everything is not a robot, people.

00:29:05   - No, no, everything is not.

00:29:06   - Mr. John Siracusa, thank you so much for joining us.

00:29:10   - Thank you for having me.

00:29:11   (audience applauding)

00:29:14   - All right, now to join me and Jason

00:29:18   to talk about watchOS and iOS,

00:29:20   Serenity Caldwell of iMore.

00:29:22   (audience applauding)

00:29:25   All right, so, watchOS.

00:29:32   - WatchOS.

00:29:33   - It's been a big day for watchOS.

00:29:34   - It has been.

00:29:35   - Kicked off the keynote, and I think, good reason.

00:29:38   They rushed through it, but there was a lot there,

00:29:40   and I think one of the biggest things that we have,

00:29:42   or will have, with watchOS 3, is faster access.

00:29:46   - Yes, I definitely, that was the first moment

00:29:50   of the keynote after, of course, the moment of silence.

00:29:53   And right into that, they're like, congratulations,

00:29:56   apps launch instantly now.

00:29:58   And inside, I'm just like, thank you, God.

00:30:02   I was very, very happy to see that.

00:30:04   And of course, we learned as the watchOS 3 demo went on,

00:30:08   although they really only used the word watchOS 3 once.

00:30:10   And then after that was just watchOS.

00:30:12   We're not talking about version names or numbers anymore.

00:30:14   Aside from iOS.

00:30:16   iOS gets numbers because it's special.

00:30:18   But watchOS, they're like, well, it's going to launch instantly.

00:30:22   Well, most apps are going to launch instantly.

00:30:24   Well, your dock apps are going to launch instantly.

00:30:27   And then the other apps are going

00:30:28   to launch really, really fast.

00:30:29   And we'll explain more in the State of the Union,

00:30:31   so stick around for that.

00:30:33   But overall, it seems like they have vastly improved speed

00:30:38   and being able to actually access your watch apps instead

00:30:41   of what happens right now, where I'm like,

00:30:43   oh, I've got complications.

00:30:45   This is really nice.

00:30:46   Carrot weather says something, although it

00:30:48   it's three hours out of date, and I tap on it,

00:30:50   and then I tap on it again, and then I tap on it

00:30:52   a third time, and that doesn't work,

00:30:54   and then I tap on it, and then I spend--

00:30:55   - Spin, spin, spin. - Yeah, spinning for five minutes

00:30:58   and then I get a complication, or an actual app.

00:31:01   - Yeah, I had a moment of philosophy,

00:31:05   just like a little reverie while I was listening to that,

00:31:07   of like, it's seven times as fast to launch.

00:31:11   What does that mean?

00:31:13   Quite honestly, I'm not quite sure how long it takes

00:31:15   my Apple Watch apps to launch,

00:31:17   because after about three seconds, I give up.

00:31:20   - You switch. - I give up, right?

00:31:21   So it's like, if it takes a thousand seconds to launch,

00:31:25   what's one seventh of that?

00:31:26   Is that too long still?

00:31:28   I don't know, I don't know the answer there.

00:31:30   But I was very impressed, the fact that they said,

00:31:32   prioritization, the fact that they've created

00:31:35   two classes of apps, I think is really clever.

00:31:37   The idea that if you choose to have it in your dock,

00:31:40   or as a complication, which is another thing,

00:31:43   you're showing intent, you're showing some intent

00:31:46   that this app means something to you.

00:31:48   And I was showing you earlier how many apps

00:31:50   are on my actual Apple Watch, and it's ludicrous.

00:31:54   Because I apparently at some point switched that switch

00:31:57   that says-- - To auto install.

00:31:58   - Oh, the Apple Watch. - Any app that has

00:31:59   an Apple Watch, sure, put it on the watch, who cares?

00:32:02   And most of those apps I don't use, right?

00:32:04   So that's a smart idea to say, look,

00:32:08   if you show any reason that you care about this app,

00:32:13   we will make sure that it can run in the background

00:32:16   and do some other stuff so that it doesn't take

00:32:19   an infinite number of seconds to launch it.

00:32:21   - Well, there's just a really good point here.

00:32:23   How many times did we see the carousel in that demo?

00:32:27   Because I don't think we saw it really at all.

00:32:29   - Oh no.

00:32:30   - Yeah, the carousel was, I mean, I'm sure it's still there,

00:32:33   but they're not talking about it anymore.

00:32:35   That's the little tiny touch target.

00:32:37   They don't want you to do that anymore with apps, no.

00:32:39   - The honeycomb is persona non grata.

00:32:42   - I really kind of hope it's just actually dead.

00:32:45   - I don't think it is.

00:32:45   I think it's still there.

00:32:47   - Until Siri gets good enough.

00:32:48   - That's the place you go to retrieve something

00:32:50   that you haven't said you care about.

00:32:52   - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

00:32:54   - So that's my guess.

00:32:55   - When the watch was launched, two buttons,

00:32:57   one of those buttons activated friends and digital touch.

00:33:01   That button has now been replaced, I guess.

00:33:04   The function has been replaced.

00:33:05   What do you think that shows for the thinking

00:33:08   of the Apple Watch inside of Apple?

00:33:10   - Well, I am very glad that Apple took a hard look

00:33:14   at how people were using the watch and said,

00:33:17   you know what, we really liked Friends internally

00:33:20   in watchOS 1, we thought it was a neat feature,

00:33:22   we thought people would love to send their heartbeat

00:33:25   and do little digital touches,

00:33:27   and then we realized when we sent it to everybody

00:33:29   that no one really wants to use this feature,

00:33:32   and it's kind of useless, and on top of that,

00:33:35   the touch targets are again, too small,

00:33:37   especially if you're a woman and wearing a 38 millimeter

00:33:40   or a man with small wrists.

00:33:42   So we're actually gonna use the side button

00:33:44   for something useful.

00:33:45   And after watchOS 2 came out and there wasn't a change,

00:33:48   there was a lot of speculation in watchOS 3.

00:33:50   It's like, what are they gonna use the side button for?

00:33:52   Are they gonna let us customize it

00:33:53   and turn it into like launching activity?

00:33:55   Or is it just going to be defacto Apple Pay?

00:33:58   Or is it going to be used for accessibility

00:34:00   to highlight things?

00:34:01   And instead they're like, okay, you know what?

00:34:04   We've decided that not only are friends crap,

00:34:07   we're gonna take this off the table,

00:34:08   but also glances.

00:34:10   Glances were a nice idea, but no one uses them

00:34:12   'cause they forget how to swipe.

00:34:13   So instead, we're gonna assign that button

00:34:15   to a functionality.

00:34:16   We're gonna make it easier to launch apps from there,

00:34:19   and that's gonna be your dock is now this button.

00:34:21   And also, it's something that we've made before.

00:34:24   You know, this is a product that we actually have a name for

00:34:27   that we've used on other platforms

00:34:28   that users will be familiar with.

00:34:30   And we've changed this, you know,

00:34:33   we've changed your swiping behavior

00:34:34   so that they actually make sense,

00:34:36   and you can get apps from that way too.

00:34:38   So I am really grateful that Apple kind of took a step back

00:34:43   and said, "Hey, maybe this digital touch thing

00:34:45   "is better suited for this device and not this device."

00:34:49   - You know there's somebody inside Apple

00:34:52   who this was their feature, right?

00:34:56   I mean, you know it.

00:34:57   You know somebody out there was like,

00:34:58   "Man, that button, it's gonna be friends,

00:35:00   "it's gonna be a ring, you're gonna pick people,

00:35:02   "you're gonna send them your heartbeat,

00:35:03   "it's gonna be awesome, everybody's gonna love it."

00:35:06   And to be honest, when they announced it at the event

00:35:09   on September 9th, 2014, as soon as they said it,

00:35:12   I was like, oh, that's terrible, that's a terrible idea.

00:35:14   - I liked it, I liked it.

00:35:15   - I really liked it, but no one knew to use it with me.

00:35:18   - But I think that, but the fact is,

00:35:20   we can have those disagreements about what we think,

00:35:23   and obviously that happened at Apple,

00:35:24   and they're like, yeah, this might be a good idea,

00:35:26   let's try it, right?

00:35:27   You're being a creative person, let's try it.

00:35:29   But one thing to test it in before you even build it,

00:35:35   and then like six months of betas on the Apple campus

00:35:37   from people who are Apple employees.

00:35:38   And there's another thing to ship it

00:35:40   and watch how people use it for a year.

00:35:42   And for me that was one of the key questions.

00:35:45   Maybe the key question of this keynote was,

00:35:48   can that person or the people who made that decision

00:35:52   look at it a year later and say, yeah, it didn't work.

00:35:56   Let's move on, let's do something else.

00:35:58   And that's what they did with watchOS 3

00:36:00   and I'm really encouraged by that.

00:36:01   That I was concerned they were gonna put a stake

00:36:03   on the ground and say, "Damn it, we think we're right.

00:36:07   "Let's do this some more."

00:36:08   And they didn't.

00:36:09   They said, "Nah, we got that wrong.

00:36:10   "Let's move on."

00:36:12   And the fact that Apple, there was a moment where it's like,

00:36:14   oh, are we permitted to joke about how slow apps are

00:36:17   on the Apple Watch now?

00:36:18   In the keynote, where they said,

00:36:20   "Oh, hey, launching Apple Watch apps is terrible,

00:36:24   "but now it's great."

00:36:25   - For the next six months.

00:36:26   - Right?

00:36:27   (laughing)

00:36:28   But they did do that, right?

00:36:31   Even though it's always couched in the idea

00:36:34   that it's now been improved, and it's always,

00:36:36   you never admit you've got a weakness

00:36:38   until you've got the solution to the weakness.

00:36:41   Even so, they did basically put WatchOS 2 up on stage

00:36:45   and say, "Ha ha, look at that, it doesn't work."

00:36:49   - You know, we did the iMac special recently,

00:36:51   and they were doing the races between the old,

00:36:54   like the PCs and the Macs.

00:36:56   - The PCs and the Macs, yeah.

00:36:56   - It reminded me of that.

00:36:57   - Yeah.

00:36:58   - Ready, set, go.

00:36:59   Yeah, it's today's Apple Watch versus tomorrow's Apple Watch.

00:37:03   - Something I can't get out of my head from today

00:37:05   was the things that are doing for fitness

00:37:08   for wheelchair users.

00:37:10   It's just one of those things that is like

00:37:14   such an Apple thing to do.

00:37:16   Like what is the percentage of their audience

00:37:20   that are wheelchair users?

00:37:21   It must be a tiny percentage.

00:37:23   But they have put so much work and effort into that,

00:37:28   I just can't, it just keeps rattling around in my brain

00:37:30   as like a reason that I love the company.

00:37:32   - It reminds me of what Apple has done

00:37:35   for creative professionals in their past

00:37:37   and where they just say, this is a niche group of users,

00:37:40   yes, this is a group of users that the general population

00:37:43   may not even think about.

00:37:44   And I, you know, certainly,

00:37:46   until Kevin Lynch brought that up,

00:37:48   it hadn't even crossed my mind.

00:37:50   Like, I think about accessibility constantly

00:37:52   because we write articles about it and, you know,

00:37:54   we wanna make sure that people understand

00:37:55   how to use the accessibility features

00:37:57   'cause Apple is so far ahead in that,

00:37:59   but you take their fitness device,

00:38:00   the device that they're saying,

00:38:02   we're promoting health and we're taking it forward,

00:38:04   and yeah, there's a whole segment of the population

00:38:07   that may not have the use of some or all of their limbs

00:38:10   where this is potentially a game changer, right?

00:38:14   Where it's like how many fitness devices

00:38:16   are specifically geared towards people

00:38:18   with potential disabilities or being in wheelchairs.

00:38:23   That's huge.

00:38:25   And the fact, they were educating,

00:38:26   I think everybody in that room was like,

00:38:28   here are the types of wheelchair rolls.

00:38:30   That was incredible.

00:38:31   And now I wanna learn more about how you move

00:38:34   in a wheelchair and what's best for what type of terrain,

00:38:36   like the arc or the semi-roll.

00:38:37   Like that's fascinating to me.

00:38:38   - Yeah, it is.

00:38:39   Part of what Apple has really said is part of what,

00:38:43   as a company and a culture it believes,

00:38:46   has been embedded in things like health kit and research kit.

00:38:51   And people ask, isn't that just PR?

00:38:54   It's like, yeah, it's PR, but I think it's not just PR.

00:38:57   I think it's also a corporate value.

00:38:59   And even if this is PR, that's a choice that they make

00:39:04   to do that kind of PR.

00:39:05   - Sure, sure.

00:39:06   - They wanna be seen as that company.

00:39:08   - And I don't believe it's greenwashing

00:39:10   where they're essentially saying,

00:39:12   well, this will make us look better, so we'll do it.

00:39:14   I do believe it's a corporate value.

00:39:15   And this is another example of that,

00:39:18   where I think this is them choosing to make some decisions

00:39:22   because this is a product that has health implications

00:39:25   and therefore it should be more accessible.

00:39:30   And so yeah, you're right though,

00:39:32   that's exactly what I thought.

00:39:34   This is the most appley of things

00:39:38   in terms of like Tim Cook's apple

00:39:39   to have the time to roll.

00:39:41   That was great.

00:39:42   - I loved that, that was my favorite.

00:39:44   - Yeah, they're quietly revolutionizing it.

00:39:46   - Let's talk about iOS.

00:39:48   Messages, wow.

00:39:51   (laughing)

00:39:53   - I feel there's a real division in this.

00:39:55   - Oh yeah.

00:39:56   - Like you either really want this

00:39:58   or want it to go away really fast.

00:40:02   I can't wait to send people amazing messages

00:40:06   full of confetti and explosions.

00:40:07   - Amazing.

00:40:08   - Wow.

00:40:10   - Oh yeah, I'm gonna get so many confetti explosions

00:40:12   from Myke and Steven.

00:40:13   Oh my God.

00:40:15   - But the thing that was really interesting

00:40:17   in the presentation that they just breezed by

00:40:20   is a messages app store.

00:40:23   What is going on here?

00:40:25   Well, so they kind of dropped that right on the more slide

00:40:29   and after saying, yeah, you can do app integrations.

00:40:32   And really what it is is app extensions,

00:40:34   but it is going to be its own separate section in the app

00:40:37   store, just like third party keyboards kind of have

00:40:39   their separate subsection.

00:40:40   I don't think it's actually going to be a separate app

00:40:43   store, but you'll be able to access it

00:40:45   much like you have Facebook's buy cart, shopping cart,

00:40:49   inside their app where it's like buy new stickers.

00:40:51   And anybody who's dug into the docs a little bit,

00:40:54   you've got the sticker store that Apple's gonna have

00:40:57   and then you also have messages app extensions

00:41:00   and the stickers can just be stickers.

00:41:02   As they said on stage, you don't need to code

00:41:03   to be able to that.

00:41:04   I could get on my iPad Pro and I could draw

00:41:07   a couple of vector stickers and theoretically sell them

00:41:10   on the iMessages app store for 99 cents if I wanted to.

00:41:13   Relay stickers, yeah.

00:41:14   We'll make it happen. - I love stickers.

00:41:17   - Yeah.

00:41:18   I'm trying to see if I can get someone to make one.

00:41:21   - I would be disappointed if all the relay stickers

00:41:24   do not show up on iMessage soon.

00:41:26   - We're committing people to this.

00:41:29   And you can hear him laughing over there.

00:41:31   Chris, can you work on that for us, Chris?

00:41:34   (laughing)

00:41:35   Is that okay?

00:41:36   Thank you.

00:41:37   - No, we talked about this on Upgrade today,

00:41:41   that there are these emoji deniers out there.

00:41:45   And I get it.

00:41:47   There is definitely gonna be a vein of people who say,

00:41:50   well look, these are just messages

00:41:52   and everything else is frivolity and forget about it

00:41:54   and why did they waste their time with this?

00:41:56   But if you look at the world

00:41:58   and how people use their phones especially,

00:42:00   worldwide, not just in one region,

00:42:02   but worldwide, messaging apps are the top apps.

00:42:06   They are incredibly popular.

00:42:08   People use, people live in these apps.

00:42:10   They live in WeChat, they live in Snapchat.

00:42:13   They live in, there are a bunch of others,

00:42:14   Line and Telegram and there's so many others.

00:42:17   like this and yes, and Google announced

00:42:21   some similar features at IO, but as a platform owner,

00:42:25   Apple really risked messages becoming irrelevant

00:42:27   to almost everybody because a lot of people

00:42:30   really like the fun stuff.

00:42:32   And it's not just age, although age is part of it,

00:42:35   like my daughter is really into Snapchat

00:42:37   and she loves sending emojis and things like that,

00:42:40   but my mom loves sending emojis too.

00:42:42   I think that people have really gotten that messaging

00:42:46   with other people, using your phone to connect

00:42:48   with other people can go beyond just the text you send them.

00:42:51   It can be pictures and videos and emoji and animations

00:42:55   and stickers and all of these other things.

00:42:58   And I got to applaud Apple for realizing that

00:43:01   and putting some effort into making messages better

00:43:05   because the other opportunity here is they don't do that,

00:43:10   they do something else, but then iMessage, I think,

00:43:13   becomes irrelevant essentially over time.

00:43:16   - And iMessage has of course, I mean,

00:43:17   it has a huge benefit over some of the other

00:43:20   messaging platforms out there in that it is

00:43:22   end to end encrypted, which is huge in comparison

00:43:24   to something like Ello.

00:43:26   But in addition to that, I think this is a big

00:43:29   recognition internationally too in terms of

00:43:31   how people communicate.

00:43:34   And also when you think about the origin of messaging,

00:43:36   when we talk about communicating online,

00:43:38   who's ever sent just a text message and had it

00:43:41   interpreted the wrong way?

00:43:43   or it's just text if you put the period on

00:43:46   or if you take the period off,

00:43:47   suddenly instead of just normal grammar,

00:43:49   it becomes oh my God, are they mad at me?

00:43:51   They ended it with a period.

00:43:53   Whereas I think emoji is a way to kinda lighten that up,

00:43:56   adding reactions, adding stickers.

00:43:58   It's a way to actually communicate emotions

00:44:01   in a forward thinking, in a very real,

00:44:05   I'm losing my brain. - It's like body language

00:44:07   or other nonverbal communication.

00:44:09   - They're cues. - Right,

00:44:10   'cause text alone is not enough.

00:44:12   And so it's like, okay, what if we animated

00:44:14   your text bubble?

00:44:14   What if you could put a sticker on something?

00:44:16   What if you could send an emoji?

00:44:17   It's still a really narrow bandwidth communication medium

00:44:20   compared to us all in a room together,

00:44:23   but which we're all wired for and our brains are wired for.

00:44:26   But it's better than just plain text.

00:44:29   - Yeah, and I really do applaud Apple.

00:44:31   We're talking about the Apple Watch

00:44:33   and the Friends button and all of that

00:44:35   for really recognizing, hey, Digital Touch

00:44:37   is still potentially a really cool feature.

00:44:39   Let's take it off of the watch where it's tiny

00:44:42   and almost impossible, and instead, let's make it

00:44:44   so that you can annotate photos,

00:44:46   and you can put stickers on top of photos,

00:44:47   and you can draw on top of photos,

00:44:49   or you can just do animated handwritten text

00:44:51   that pop up in your messages screen.

00:44:53   I think that's a much better place for it.

00:44:55   - So, as well as this, we also saw a brand new lock screen.

00:44:58   So there's new notification stuff,

00:45:00   and it seemed like there were a lot of actions

00:45:01   that were taking advantage of 3D Touch.

00:45:04   But when I was looking at this, and they were showing,

00:45:07   oh, you can take a look at calendar availability

00:45:09   by just 3D touching you can respond to messages

00:45:12   by just 3D touching.

00:45:13   Is there a privacy concern here?

00:45:15   'Cause someone should pick up my phone

00:45:17   and have all conversations with people,

00:45:19   check my messages.

00:45:21   - Pooping.

00:45:22   - They could do that if they wanted to, maybe.

00:45:25   - I had that same thought, and I was actually using,

00:45:28   I was trying to use Siri in as many ways as possible

00:45:32   the last few weeks, thinking that there would be

00:45:33   a lot of talk about Siri this week.

00:45:35   And you know the number one problem with Siri

00:45:37   on the iPhone is that half of the things you try to tell it,

00:45:40   it says, "I'm sorry, you need to unlock the phone

00:45:42   "to do that."

00:45:42   And I don't know what the solution is,

00:45:45   because it's understandable why a lot of stuff

00:45:48   is behind the lock and you can't do it.

00:45:50   At the same time, a lot of things

00:45:52   become a lot less valuable.

00:45:53   So I was thinking that again,

00:45:55   that with the notification stuff, it's the same story.

00:45:59   It's like I want, it's a tough line to walk,

00:46:02   but I want these things to be useful.

00:46:05   and yet I also want them to be secure.

00:46:08   So I don't know whether, you know,

00:46:11   what the solution is to that.

00:46:12   Would they do proximity using your Apple Watch

00:46:15   on your iOS device as well as on your Mac?

00:46:18   I don't know, but it is a problem

00:46:20   and I get the need for security,

00:46:23   but at some point, I mean,

00:46:25   I got really frustrated with Sirius.

00:46:26   Like, I know, you know, you wanna save my information

00:46:30   and not make it publicly available,

00:46:32   but if I'm driving, I just want you to do it.

00:46:34   I don't wanna get my phone out and put my finger

00:46:37   on the Touch ID sensor just to get you to read my messages

00:46:42   because I'm driving, that's dangerous.

00:46:44   You should just be able to do it.

00:46:46   So how do they find that balance?

00:46:47   I don't know.

00:46:48   - Yeah, I mean it's my understanding that a lot of that

00:46:51   is going to be contextually set in privacy,

00:46:53   so it's gonna be up to you in terms of how much

00:46:55   you wanna show on the lock screen versus how little

00:46:58   and whether you wanna show compact or expanded views.

00:47:02   But it's a great point in terms of,

00:47:05   I would love to see proximity with the watch to the iPhone.

00:47:08   It's like, oh, or if I'm in my house, if I'm geofenced,

00:47:11   if I'm probably not going to be somewhere

00:47:13   where people are snooping over my shoulder,

00:47:15   let me just do these actions.

00:47:17   - Rem, what is the thing that you're most excited

00:47:21   to try from iOS 10?

00:47:22   - Music.

00:47:25   - Why is that?

00:47:26   (laughs)

00:47:27   - Well, I spent a little bit of time writing about Apple,

00:47:31   like not a lot, like an hour.

00:47:33   - One hour, one hour.

00:47:35   - Yeah, just one hour per day, every day for last year.

00:47:38   - Is that some sort of metric Canadian hour?

00:47:39   - Yeah, half Canadian hour.

00:47:42   Yeah, so, the other M,

00:47:46   music got a very drastic redesign

00:47:51   that when I initially saw it, I kind of hated,

00:47:53   and then the more I saw it,

00:47:54   the more I really grew to love it.

00:47:56   It's this big, bold, brash thing,

00:47:58   Whereas before, music was all about tiny touch targets.

00:48:01   You had the tiny little mini player

00:48:03   and the tiny little buttons.

00:48:05   And in order to get your offline songs,

00:48:07   you had to tap in the middle of the My Songs thing

00:48:11   and then scroll all the way to the bottom

00:48:12   and slide over for show offline.

00:48:14   It was just awful.

00:48:15   And especially, again, we go to the driving thing

00:48:18   where it's like Siri works and some people have CarPlay,

00:48:22   which is awesome, and some people have Siri hands free,

00:48:24   or eyes free, which is awesome.

00:48:26   but the vast majority of people are driving cars

00:48:29   that do not support either right now.

00:48:31   And even though no one wants to encourage

00:48:34   touching your phone while driving,

00:48:36   there are going to be people who use the music app

00:48:38   while they're driving.

00:48:39   And the new music app,

00:48:41   it's obviously not directly designed for this,

00:48:44   but all of the UI is so much bigger

00:48:47   and so much easier to use.

00:48:48   The font is like 14 or 16 point San Francisco,

00:48:52   so it's nice, it's big, it's bold.

00:48:54   Everything's been reorganized

00:48:56   Pretty much everything from my Apple Music wishlist

00:48:58   has been granted.

00:48:59   They took out Connect and they put it into For You.

00:49:02   There's Discovery Mixes where I don't know where Federico is

00:49:05   but I'm kind of like, here, Spotify says,

00:49:08   we're gonna do Discovery Mixes and Apple says,

00:49:10   no, instead of doing Discovery Mixes,

00:49:12   we're not only gonna do a Discovery Mix for you weekly

00:49:14   but we're gonna curate your favorited songs

00:49:17   so that everything you press like in

00:49:19   is gonna go into a mix.

00:49:20   And on top of that, we're gonna give you daily mixes.

00:49:23   and we're gonna bring back beats like,

00:49:25   "If you liked this, then go here."

00:49:28   And so all of these things in my hope,

00:49:32   and of course I haven't used it yet,

00:49:33   so I can't say everything's fixed

00:49:35   because Apple Music has many problems

00:49:37   and the app design is only a small factor of them,

00:49:41   but they're going, I feel like, in the right direction.

00:49:45   They're recognizing that people want

00:49:47   to see their music library.

00:49:48   They're recognizing that people might wanna listen to music

00:49:51   when they're offline.

00:49:52   They're recognizing that you don't really need four buttons

00:49:56   all for Apple Music, and you can probably just do it in one.

00:49:59   They're recognizing where curated music makes sense

00:50:02   versus automation.

00:50:03   And big search button.

00:50:07   Big search button is my favorite of all of that.

00:50:10   - Guys, thank you so much for joining me.

00:50:12   Please give it up for Jason and Ralph.

00:50:14   - Thanks, Myke.

00:50:15   (audience applauding)

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00:51:36   [APPLAUSE]

00:51:38   Now, we spent a bit of time talking about iOS 10, right?

00:51:44   But we haven't spoken about enough of it.

00:51:46   And we've already had Federico on stage.

00:51:49   So who else do I know that really loves using iOS

00:51:54   and loves working on iOS?

00:51:57   I think we're gonna need one more thing.

00:51:59   Ladies and gentlemen, my co-host of Cortex on Relay FM,

00:52:03   Mr. CGP Grey.

00:52:05   (audience applauding)

00:52:08   - Hello.

00:52:16   Wait for the live photo.

00:52:18   Hey everybody, it's great to be here.

00:52:21   He's always the showman.

00:52:23   Look at this.

00:52:24   Am I?

00:52:25   Yep.

00:52:26   So, before we start, are you the only person in San Francisco to just come to RelayCon?

00:52:33   I might be, I might be.

00:52:34   How many of you are here just because of RelayCon?

00:52:38   There we go, look at that.

00:52:39   Oh, look at that.

00:52:40   That was more than I thought.

00:52:41   Look at that.

00:52:42   Look at that.

00:52:43   Fantastic.

00:52:44   Every two weeks on cortex we talk about our multi iPad lifestyle

00:52:49   Do you think iOS 10 is gonna continue to advance our iPad lifestyle?

00:52:55   Okay, listen audience and I need to let you in like behind the scenes of what happened here

00:53:03   Look at look at you getting all nervous. You don't know what I'm gonna say, right? So

00:53:07   Myke convinced me to come here, you know his

00:53:11   Convincing nature as he does and he goes. Oh look don't worry. You don't have to prepare

00:53:16   It's gonna be really easy all we're gonna

00:53:19   Do is talk about all of the iPad stuff that they're going to discuss at?

00:53:25   WWDC not my fault right and so and so we're sitting there

00:53:31   I'm sitting next to Myke watching the keynote live and at the point when they're doing all this messages stuff

00:53:39   I'm sitting there just thinking oh

00:53:41   Oh no.

00:53:42   Looking at my watch, it's very close to the end now.

00:53:47   This seems to be their big thing.

00:53:49   Nothing is coming.

00:53:51   So here we are.

00:53:53   I have some things to talk to you about.

00:53:56   How excited are you for all the big emoji and bouncing bubbles I'm gonna send you?

00:54:02   And the confetti.

00:54:05   Like, it's like time to record Korteck.

00:54:07   Oh God.

00:54:10   You can't get away from them.

00:54:13   If there is, if there's anybody on the Apple accessibility team, I have a feature request.

00:54:21   When you toggle that reduce motion setting, it should reduce that kind of motion.

00:54:28   You won't be able to escape.

00:54:29   No, I will not be able to escape from it.

00:54:32   I am slightly the grumpy old man in this situation of sitting there thinking like, am I out of

00:54:38   touch?

00:54:39   It's the children who are out of touch

00:54:41   looking at that so

00:54:44   But it is it is I totally agree with Jason from before like it's not for me

00:54:49   I'm not gonna be sending you exploding messages

00:54:52   But it is it is totally the strategic move for Apple to do like if I was the CEO

00:54:58   I would have said you guys have to do this and I have seen on the

00:55:03   periphery of my social group

00:55:05   People starting to eat away at iMessage, like starting to send me requests about, "Let's not talk on iMessage because I can't send you stickers."

00:55:13   So I think they had to do it. They totally had to do it even though it's not for me.

00:55:17   I will not be using it, but I will be receiving it.

00:55:20   Like me and Federico recently have basically moved all of our communication to Telegram because it does little things like expanding the links and stuff,

00:55:28   but it also does stickers and extra emoji and it has weird little apps in it and stuff.

00:55:33   So I think it is the right move to make it's just unfortunate when people like me will send things to you

00:55:40   All the time there is one thing that I think will help you so, you know the new emoji suggestions

00:55:45   Do you think they will help increase your emoji game?

00:55:49   You can you know, you can send me some messages you press the little button and you can simply hit

00:55:55   I feel like this is for people who don't understand emoji

00:55:59   Yeah, that was right. That was exactly my thought when they did the we're gonna write a thing and then we're going to turn it into

00:56:06   Indecipherable hieroglyphics for you. I was sitting there thinking

00:56:10   Who is this for?

00:56:13   Who is this for?

00:56:16   Because people I know

00:56:18   Who use lots of emojis do not need assistance

00:56:24   using more emojis.

00:56:26   So it did totally strike me as a,

00:56:30   this is how you teach grandpa how to emoji kind of feature.

00:56:34   Like listen grandpa, I know you don't know

00:56:35   where the emojis go, just press this button

00:56:38   and then it will be sent to me.

00:56:39   I have a hard time consuming who that's for,

00:56:42   but I have to say, it made a hilarious demo.

00:56:45   Like it was a real crowd pleaser when they pressed

00:56:47   that button, it's like, emojis everywhere.

00:56:50   - What do you think about HomeKit?

00:56:52   Now, this is maybe the second or third time

00:56:55   we've heard about HomeKit WWDC.

00:56:57   I know that you are interested

00:56:59   in some of the home automation stuff.

00:57:01   Did the Home app and some of the additional things

00:57:03   that you're trying to do,

00:57:04   did that pique your interest in any way?

00:57:06   - I feel like you.

00:57:08   I feel like I've seen this presentation three times now

00:57:10   about how I'm going to live in an amazing automated future.

00:57:13   And I'm still just sitting here with my Hue lights

00:57:16   to change the colors every once in a while.

00:57:20   I mean, I guess now HomeKit has a place that it exists in

00:57:24   so that I can hopefully tie things together.

00:57:27   But I didn't hear stuff like what I want to hear of,

00:57:30   hey, home automation systems,

00:57:33   do you know that more than one person lives in a house?

00:57:36   Like it's great to trigger the lights to leave when I leave,

00:57:39   but like other people are in the house.

00:57:41   So like, it doesn't seem like it's some crazy leap

00:57:46   to be able to check about which devices are in the house.

00:57:49   And if anybody should be able to do it, it's like,

00:57:53   I feel there needs to be something with this where

00:57:55   you can set up the home to kind of share information

00:57:59   between different Apple IDs.

00:58:01   Or like, I am here and my wife is here

00:58:03   and like other people are visiting.

00:58:05   So even if my wife and I leave,

00:58:07   everything in the house doesn't shut off.

00:58:09   And the guests are just left in the dark

00:58:11   and nothing turns on.

00:58:12   So it's like I wanted to be interesting,

00:58:16   but I kind of thought, it doesn't seem like any more

00:58:19   than I can currently do right now.

00:58:23   - One of the things that they just flew by in the keynote

00:58:25   was Notes collaboration.

00:58:27   Now, in my mind, this is the most incredible thing,

00:58:33   and we'll all be able to just type simultaneously.

00:58:37   - Do you remember, do you remember, Myke,

00:58:40   when we were starting Cortex?

00:58:41   - Oh yeah.

00:58:42   - And one of my requests was,

00:58:44   can we use pages to collaborate?

00:58:46   - I said, hell no, we cannot use pages.

00:58:49   And we went to Google Docs for a while,

00:58:52   but then we both rage quit Google Docs recently.

00:58:54   - Yes, we did.

00:58:55   - And we used Quip.

00:58:56   - Yes, we do.

00:58:57   - I would love to use Notes for this stuff.

00:59:00   But I mean, I don't know anything about it.

00:59:02   I haven't seen anything about it.

00:59:04   I haven't seen any product pages.

00:59:06   I know that it's a thing that exists.

00:59:09   I don't think it's gonna be what I want.

00:59:11   Like I think it will just be like

00:59:12   kind of Evernote collaboration.

00:59:14   One person will do a note, one person will have a note.

00:59:16   but maybe with Mrs. Grey would you share notes

00:59:20   and like for traveling maybe with me, traveling with me?

00:59:24   - And why am I sharing notes with you when I'm traveling?

00:59:27   - Because you know, you might want to.

00:59:29   Sometimes friends tell each other things,

00:59:33   you know, you might wanna let me know

00:59:34   what your travel plans are, you know?

00:59:36   - I see the hope in your eyes.

00:59:41   - You share them with me?

00:59:42   - Right, but I think there is going to be

00:59:43   disappointment in reality.

00:59:45   - Yeah, yeah.

00:59:46   if they had built some kind of crazy live collaboration feature, we would have seen

00:59:50   it. They would have demoed it. They were like, "Look, two people can talk at the same time

00:59:54   on a Notes message." This is like whenever Google did it with Wave a decade ago. But

01:00:01   for some reason, someone remembers Wave.

01:00:03   Oh, man, Google Wave.

01:00:04   Who remembers Wave?

01:00:05   Oh, yeah.

01:00:06   Oh, man. I feel like I remember seeing that video and I was like, "This is the future.

01:00:10   This is amazing." And they're like, "Oh, I never became that."

01:00:12   It really was so good, though.

01:00:13   - It looks so cool, it looks so cool.

01:00:15   And name for a thing in Firefly,

01:00:17   I was like, there's no way this is gonna fail.

01:00:19   There's no way.

01:00:20   So no, I don't imagine we're gonna be using

01:00:23   Notes collaboratively.

01:00:24   Like I think it's interesting.

01:00:25   I think it's interesting the more they bring into Notes,

01:00:27   but again, it's hard for me to see that personally,

01:00:31   me using that personally.

01:00:32   But what I am going to use is that clipboard everywhere.

01:00:37   - Right? - Okay.

01:00:38   - 'Cause I have to say, that was like,

01:00:41   I was hoping for more iPad stuff,

01:00:43   But that universal clipboard is like, this is for me.

01:00:47   I have very many devices between which I want to copy

01:00:50   and paste things all the time,

01:00:52   and I have used many of these clipboard syncing things,

01:00:56   but they never quite work right.

01:00:58   And so this feels like the platform owner has to do this.

01:01:02   Apple has to do this.

01:01:03   They can run something that monitors

01:01:05   when you copy and paste every time.

01:01:07   So I'm actually quite happy about that,

01:01:09   being able to move around between five OS devices.

01:01:14   Like I wanna be able to do that really simply.

01:01:16   - Lots of people know that we obsess,

01:01:20   maybe you more than me, over home screen organization.

01:01:24   You will now be able to remove the Apple apps

01:01:27   that you don't want.

01:01:28   Does this make you happy?

01:01:30   Oh, look at this, a round of applause in the audience.

01:01:34   (audience applauding)

01:01:35   - I think I saw someone, someone sent me on Twitter

01:01:39   Some message they were like,

01:01:40   "Oh, I'll finally be able to get rid of this."

01:01:41   And it was a folder with the name, Crapple,

01:01:45   and they put in all of their stock apps

01:01:48   and all of that kind of stuff.

01:01:49   So I throw everything into one folder

01:01:52   so I don't see it anyway,

01:01:53   but somehow psychologically it does bother me.

01:01:56   - You know it's there.

01:01:57   It's like the junk drawer.

01:01:58   - Yeah, it's like, I know you're there stock app.

01:02:01   I fundamentally agree, disagree with your existence.

01:02:03   Why would I even want to check the stock this often?

01:02:06   Who is this for?

01:02:07   I just wanted to go.

01:02:08   Yeah, I know it's like just go away stock app and now like it can be gone

01:02:12   Except I don't know if you saw there is one app that you cannot uninstall. Do you would you like to take a guess?

01:02:20   Tips no, it's news

01:02:24   News cannot be uninstalled and my guess is it's because of the spotlight integration, right? That's why they left

01:02:36   I spent forever trying to get rid of that thing.

01:02:38   But someone sent me that, I was like,

01:02:40   you've got to be kidding me.

01:02:41   The one app that really needs to go.

01:02:45   They're keeping it on there.

01:02:46   So not excited about that, but I'll

01:02:49   be happy to clear out the rest of them.

01:02:51   So we did have one big iPad thing, right?

01:02:54   Like I spoke about with Federico and Steven,

01:02:56   Swift Playgrounds.

01:02:57   What do you think of Swift Playgrounds?

01:02:59   Oh, man.

01:03:02   While we did not get anything specifically

01:03:05   for the iPad.

01:03:07   Like that app, that was just super exciting to me

01:03:11   because I feel like, okay great,

01:03:13   we've cracked this barrier, right?

01:03:17   They put Swift on the iPad and so I feel like now

01:03:21   it is just inevitable that we are going to be at a WWDC

01:03:25   at some point where they're like,

01:03:26   guess what we're announcing?

01:03:28   It's Xcode for iPhone.

01:03:30   Like they're going to do it at some point

01:03:33   And what I was really interested to see is,

01:03:36   I watched the developer State of the Union,

01:03:39   I think they call it,

01:03:40   and they have done a fantastic job

01:03:44   of helping the user to input code.

01:03:49   They were demoing their special code keyboard,

01:03:51   they were demoing the snippets that were doing

01:03:54   like auto-filling functions as you're typing.

01:03:56   The guy was showing about how he was able to change

01:03:58   all of these parameters in his example app

01:04:00   without ever even having to pull up the keyboard

01:04:02   to have it go up the screen.

01:04:04   Like I was just super impressed by that.

01:04:07   And I have to say that I am,

01:04:09   I don't know if a room full of developers

01:04:12   will agree with me, but I think programming

01:04:16   is a unique skill.

01:04:18   And the more people that you can get to do this, the better.

01:04:23   Like it is a thing that if you have interest in it,

01:04:27   you can start yourself down a path

01:04:31   that can lead anywhere.

01:04:33   Like you can build things that other people will use.

01:04:37   And what I was really happy to see is that

01:04:39   those Swift playgrounds, while they're not full apps,

01:04:44   a kid could pick that up and make something

01:04:47   that does something on an iPad

01:04:51   just playing around with Swift.

01:04:52   And that's what I think is the big deal.

01:04:54   Like okay, now they can at least see what it is

01:04:58   and then if they're really into it,

01:05:00   they have a reason to transition to grandpa Mac

01:05:03   to finish up their development,

01:05:06   but like you're getting them started.

01:05:08   And to me, that's the biggest deal.

01:05:09   So I'm super happy about that.

01:05:12   I am super happy about it.

01:05:13   - I do wish that we got more iPad stuff though.

01:05:16   - I know, I'm very sad.

01:05:17   I'm holding out, I'm holding out hope.

01:05:20   - For like 10.1?

01:05:21   - Because, because we did have that 9.3.

01:05:24   - Yeah.

01:05:25   - And so what I kept at least telling myself,

01:05:27   like on the sad walk back to the hotel,

01:05:29   like no iPad and oh god what are we going to discuss?

01:05:33   Myke is, oh Myke.

01:05:35   - Oh I was so mad.

01:05:37   So mad.

01:05:38   - But I was thinking on the way back,

01:05:40   since they introduced that multi-user thing in 9.3,

01:05:45   I thought I can put my hopes into

01:05:50   maybe new Apple releases more features throughout the year,

01:05:53   maybe I won't have to wait an entire year

01:05:57   to see if they change the little task switcher,

01:06:00   the app switcher on the side, which is the worst,

01:06:02   which is the absolute worst.

01:06:04   Like, I love having two apps on my iPad.

01:06:06   I do not love changing that second one.

01:06:10   No, it is terrible.

01:06:10   - I was hoping that like, they just did it,

01:06:13   right, just didn't tell anyone.

01:06:14   - They just, you're right.

01:06:15   - I was like, I got a few people to check, but it's not true.

01:06:17   I was like, oh, why don't you just do it?

01:06:18   - Yeah, I immediately was looking at that slide

01:06:20   where they post all the little things, and I was like,

01:06:22   come on, there's gotta be new app switcher,

01:06:23   come on, come on, oh no.

01:06:25   We were sitting there looking at it together, zooming in,

01:06:27   but that's it.

01:06:29   Gray, thank you so much.

01:06:30   Oh, what is this?

01:06:31   - So Myke, I have a mystery box for you.

01:06:33   - Oh, God.

01:06:34   - Do you notice the mystery box?

01:06:35   - No, I don't know what it is.

01:06:36   - Okay, so here we go, everybody.

01:06:38   I brought a mystery box for Myke.

01:06:39   Because Myke, look at you, you're so nervous right now.

01:06:44   - I know what he's doing.

01:06:45   - Myke genuinely has been very convincing of me to come.

01:06:52   He's been very nice.

01:06:53   He set everything up.

01:06:55   And I think he tonight has put on a fantastic event

01:07:01   for everybody who's come here.

01:07:03   Can we all agree?

01:07:04   Can we all agree?

01:07:05   (audience applauding)

01:07:07   Yeah?

01:07:09   Look at that guy.

01:07:09   Look at that guy.

01:07:10   Now, also, look how stylish he is, isn't he?

01:07:16   Right?

01:07:17   He's just incredibly stylish.

01:07:19   So I happened to see a little while ago something that I thought would be an excellent thank

01:07:27   you gift from me for bringing me out here for arranging everything.

01:07:30   And if I may be so bold, you all get in on the gift too, right?

01:07:34   It's a thank you from you for arranging this event.

01:07:36   So Myke, would you like to see what I got you?

01:07:38   Yeah, okay.

01:07:39   How do I open it?

01:07:41   You open it up.

01:07:42   Oh, it's a lovely bow tie.

01:07:44   Look at that.

01:07:45   It is the most hipster bow tie in the world.

01:07:49   - Made of wood. - Because it is made of wood.

01:07:52   (audience applauding)

01:07:56   - I'm gonna put this on in a minute.

01:07:57   - And you know what I cannot believe?

01:08:00   It matches your outfit.

01:08:02   When I saw you wearing that yellow shirt,

01:08:03   there's yellow stripes on this bow tie,

01:08:05   I was like, it was meant to be.

01:08:08   - I will put a picture in the show notes

01:08:10   of me wearing the bow tie.

01:08:11   - Fantastic. - Thank you, Grey.

01:08:13   Thank you so much, man.

01:08:14   - Thank you, man. - Thank you.

01:08:16   All right.

01:08:18   Steven, come back up here.

01:08:19   Just before we wrap up, I want to say just one quick thing.

01:08:29   My first WWDC, our first WWDC, was four years ago.

01:08:34   Yes.

01:08:35   And we went to an event in this gallery, the Mina Gallery.

01:08:42   And that night, I met a bunch of people

01:08:45   that I am now lucky enough to call friends

01:08:48   and people that I work with.

01:08:49   So this means an awful lot to me.

01:08:52   So thank you for doing this.

01:08:55   Thank you all for coming.

01:08:56   Thanks everyone for listening.

01:08:59   I wanna thank our volunteers,

01:09:01   as well we have a bunch of amazing volunteers this evening.

01:09:03   - Yeah, we've got a bunch of volunteers in the back

01:09:05   who helped check you all in

01:09:06   and make sure everyone was stayed safe,

01:09:07   so thank you very much.

01:09:09   (audience applauding)

01:09:11   - Thanks to all of our guests

01:09:13   that have joined up and on the stage of us tonight.

01:09:16   Thank you again to all of our sponsors out there.

01:09:19   Thank you all for listening.

01:09:21   Have a great week and we'll see you next time.

01:09:24   Adios.

01:09:25   (audience applauding)

01:09:28   [ Applause ]

01:09:30   [ Pause ]