Connected

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00:00:06 ◼   ► From Reebay FM, this is Connected, episode number 89.

00:00:10 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Braintree and Squarespace.

00:00:14 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley.

00:00:16 ◼   ► I had the pleasure of being joined by Mr Federico Vittici.

00:00:19 ◼   ► - Hi Myke. - Hello Federico.

00:00:20 ◼   ► How are you doing?

00:00:21 ◼   ► - I'm doing great, how are you?

00:00:22 ◼   ► - I am very well and I am very happy.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Steven has returned to us.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - I am back.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Did you find what you were looking for?

00:00:32 ◼   ► Well, it turns out I was just looking for you, Myke.

00:00:34 ◼   ► So I came back.

00:00:36 ◼   ► I mean, we told all of our listeners where you were last week hunting IMAX.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not entirely true.

00:00:42 ◼   ► I am picking up the last one today, though.

00:00:43 ◼   ► Exactly, see?

00:00:44 ◼   ► The hump was on.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Nice.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Today, this afternoon, so I will have all 13.

00:00:51 ◼   ► There's a photo from Instagram in the show notes of 12 of the 13 this weekend.

00:00:56 ◼   ► So it's almost done.

00:00:58 ◼   ► and have the first video up hopefully by the next time we record the show.

00:01:02 ◼   ► Have you ever watched Dragon Ball, the anime, Steven?

00:01:06 ◼   ► I am familiar with it, yes.

00:01:08 ◼   ► When they collect all of the seven Dragon Balls, they can invoke the dragon.

00:01:14 ◼   ► You should do a similar ritual with the IMAX, maybe you can invoke Steve Jobs.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Wow.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Well, that would be something, wouldn't it?

00:01:24 ◼   ► I mean, you're looking to make a YouTube video, that would be a bit of a success.

00:01:27 ◼   ► That would definitely increase my YouTube revenue from the $17 it is right now.

00:01:33 ◼   ► You could at least make $19.

00:01:35 ◼   ► I know.

00:01:36 ◼   ► Oh man.

00:01:37 ◼   ► YouTube revenue is a disaster.

00:01:39 ◼   ► It's a dumpster fire.

00:01:42 ◼   ► I have a spreadsheet of things I spend money on and how much money I make from things,

00:01:46 ◼   ► and the YouTube sheet or tab in that Google spreadsheet is just... it's not good.

00:01:52 ◼   ► Well, I mean, it's gonna be horrific now that you have a plethora of computers to deal with.

00:01:57 ◼   ► I mean, I only spent money on like half of them.

00:02:00 ◼   ► Oh, that's okay then.

00:02:01 ◼   ► Did you, uh, did you work out what you're doing with them when this is all done?

00:02:06 ◼   ► Like when I'm done with the videos?

00:02:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:09 ◼   ► No.

00:02:10 ◼   ► No.

00:02:11 ◼   ► I have an idea.

00:02:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:02:13 ◼   ► You should do a scavenger hunt in Memphis.

00:02:14 ◼   ► So you place each iMac in a secret location, and then you gather a bunch of connector listeners

00:02:19 ◼   ► to come to Memphis and do a scavenger hunt to find all of the IMAX.

00:02:23 ◼   ► But then what? The idea is people get to keep them? Nobody wants them.

00:02:27 ◼   ► No, no, you get to keep them. It's just a funny way to engage listeners.

00:02:31 ◼   ► Very expensive. Details, details.

00:02:38 ◼   ► Listeners fly to Memphis, which is expensive to fly in and out of, and you could drive

00:02:43 ◼   ► around in a city and find a 40-pound computer and then you have to bring it back to me and

00:02:47 ◼   ► then you can leave.

00:02:48 ◼   ► There's no prize.

00:02:49 ◼   ► There's no prize.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Just a pat on the head.

00:02:52 ◼   ► I may have to do something to counter y'all's rogue European connected meetup.

00:02:57 ◼   ► Oh yeah, there's news on that front.

00:03:01 ◼   ► The event is bigger now.

00:03:03 ◼   ► I sent out this morning about another 80 tickets to the waiting list.

00:03:09 ◼   ► We have increased the size of the venue.

00:03:11 ◼   ► We cannot make it any bigger than this, so don't sign up anymore if you haven't got

00:03:16 ◼   ► an email from us saying you have a ticket you probably won't get one but

00:03:21 ◼   ► that yeah that's all going ahead and it's going crazy I will mention this

00:03:24 ◼   ► later on but if you're coming to the event please buy a few drinks because

00:03:28 ◼   ► otherwise we will be given a big bill at the end so please bear that in mind

00:03:33 ◼   ► please also drink responsibly drink responsibly but buy a lot of them you

00:03:39 ◼   ► can get them away if you want like but yeah just remember those two things buy lots of drinks

00:03:44 ◼   ► and drink responsibly. That is what we're all about.

00:03:47 ◼   ► The two things are not mutually exclusive, you know?

00:03:50 ◼   ► Exactly. This event, I'm very excited about it, but I'm probably a little bit overwhelmed by the amount of people that are coming.

00:03:58 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a lot of people, Myke.

00:04:00 ◼   ► Well, we have issued 150 tickets to this event.

00:04:04 ◼   ► What are we gonna do?

00:04:06 ◼   ► That's bigger than the WBC venue.

00:04:09 ◼   ► I know. Well, we have a bigger venue. It's cheaper in London.

00:04:13 ◼   ► I don't really know what we're gonna do. I guess hug people or something?

00:04:17 ◼   ► I mean there's gonna be 150 people and two of us.

00:04:22 ◼   ► What if they put us in the middle and they decide to do nasty things to us?

00:04:26 ◼   ► I'm trying not to worry about that.

00:04:30 ◼   ► Is it called the drawing room for some reason? Like do people have to

00:04:34 ◼   ► bring Apple pencils and iPads and do sketches?

00:04:36 ◼   ► No, a drawing room is like a fancy room with nice chairs and books and stuff and

00:04:40 ◼   ► and we have a private bar and a roof terrace.

00:04:43 ◼   ► - But it's gonna be fun.

00:04:44 ◼   ► - It is.

00:04:45 ◼   ► - And there's gonna be a lot of people.

00:04:46 ◼   ► - If you sign up for the waiting list,

00:04:48 ◼   ► please check your email.

00:04:49 ◼   ► We're very excited to see everybody there

00:04:50 ◼   ► on the 10th of June.

00:04:51 ◼   ► Stephen, follow up.

00:04:53 ◼   ► - Yes, it is time to do some follow up.

00:04:56 ◼   ► And we're going to start with a tweet

00:05:00 ◼   ► put forth by listener Robert.

00:05:02 ◼   ► And Robert asked, "Is the Apple Watch

00:05:04 ◼   ► "becoming like the iPod?

00:05:05 ◼   ► "iPod was a multi-platform gateway for PC users

00:05:09 ◼   ► entering the Apple ecosystem and then he follows his tweet saying Apple watch

00:05:14 ◼   ► for Android. So I think I want to divide this into two sections of comments. What

00:05:20 ◼   ► Robert is talking about is the iPod halo effect. This idea that the iPod was so

00:05:26 ◼   ► great. And you think about it in the heyday of the iPod like 2003, 2004, 2005, the pre-iPhone era.

00:05:33 ◼   ► The iPod was so great and when they released it for Windows and had iTunes

00:05:38 ◼   ► for Windows the Steve Jobs quote is like handing someone in hell a glass of ice

00:05:44 ◼   ► water

00:05:45 ◼   ► unfortunately that ice water was laced with iTunes so not so great but um the

00:05:51 ◼   ► idea that this iPod is so great the Mac must be great and the Mac really

00:05:54 ◼   ► benefited and Apple really benefited from this effect the iPod would bring

00:05:58 ◼   ► people into the ecosystem and the next time they needed a computer they buy a

00:06:02 ◼   ► Mac

00:06:03 ◼   ► that is definitely a thing that happened with the iPod. I am not sure, in fact I'm

00:06:10 ◼   ► pretty sure that it can't happen with the watch for a couple of reasons. One,

00:06:15 ◼   ► the watch is not nearly as good as the iPod was in its heyday. At what it's

00:06:21 ◼   ► supposed to do. At what it's supposed to do. Like the hardware is great except for

00:06:25 ◼   ► the weird button I don't know what to do with but it's not this like runaway

00:06:29 ◼   ► product the iPod was currently at least

00:06:33 ◼   ► in the same sense of the iPod was

00:06:35 ◼   ► where you could you could have the iPod

00:06:37 ◼   ► operating as a solo Apple device in a

00:06:40 ◼   ► completely PC environment because the

00:06:42 ◼   ► watch is married to the iPhone of

00:06:45 ◼   ► course then he asked was Apple watch

00:06:46 ◼   ► going to come for Android I don't I

00:06:51 ◼   ► don't see that happening

00:06:52 ◼   ► I think that Apple thinks the watch is

00:06:54 ◼   ► really precious and that letting someone

00:06:57 ◼   ► with a Android phone use it seems like something they're not willing to do. I

00:07:01 ◼   ► could be wrong but it just doesn't strike me as something the company is

00:07:05 ◼   ► going to do. I think as well something worth remembering is like Apple put the

00:07:11 ◼   ► iPod on Windows, it gave it Windows support because Apple were in a very

00:07:16 ◼   ► different scenario to how they are now and they kind of needed it right they

00:07:21 ◼   ► needed to put if they wanted to sell more iPods they had to have Windows

00:07:26 ◼   ► support so they could get to Windows users. There are lots of iPhones in the world. Apple

00:07:31 ◼   ► would be very happy if they even sold an Apple Watch to 10% of those people. They don't need

00:07:37 ◼   ► to start putting it on Android. They already have a big enough customer base to sell it

00:07:40 ◼   ► to. That's an excellent point. The Halo effect

00:07:44 ◼   ► isn't really something that they're looking for right now.

00:07:46 ◼   ► No. And there can't be a Halo effect, as you said, when somebody who buys an Apple Watch

00:07:52 ◼   ► is already in the ecosystem. They already have an iPhone. It doesn't really work out

00:07:56 ◼   ► that way. There's also two fundamental differences from the past. The first one is that I wonder

00:08:02 ◼   ► how many premium Android phone owners haven't already moved to an iPhone. Apple likes to

00:08:08 ◼   ► argue that they've captured a lot of the premium Android market with Android switchers who

00:08:13 ◼   ► have moved from Samsung or, you know, a premium high-end HTC to an iPhone. But the second

00:08:18 ◼   ► point is, the Apple Watch, unlike the iPod, it's really dependent on features that are

00:08:24 ◼   ► just for the iPhone. So you could buy an iPod and you could connect it to iTunes on Windows

00:08:30 ◼   ► and it would be mostly the same iTunes. You know, you can sync songs, you can manage playlists

00:08:35 ◼   ► and it's really the same program on Windows as it is on the Mac. But with the Apple Watch,

00:08:40 ◼   ► a lot of the iPhone features such as HealthKit or Touch ID or many other system integrations

00:08:45 ◼   ► are not available on Android. So it would be a subpar experience. It wouldn't be the

00:08:49 ◼   ► real Apple Watch experience that you get with an Apple Watch and an iPhone with an Apple

00:08:53 ◼   ► watch an Android phone. Plus there are also a selection of really good Android Wear watches

00:08:59 ◼   ► available for Android users. I don't really see why an Android phone user would be like

00:09:06 ◼   ► "Ah, the Apple Watch looks so good I'm going to switch to the iPhone." They would just

00:09:09 ◼   ► buy an Android Wear watch, of which there are many really great ones, really really

00:09:14 ◼   ► good looking devices that have good functionality. So it's a good point, it's a good kind of

00:09:21 ◼   ► thought experiment, but I just think that fundamentally the situation is very very different

00:09:28 ◼   ► now to what it was in like 2004.

00:09:30 ◼   ► Yeah, it's interesting too comparing the size of the Apple Watch market to the iPod market

00:09:37 ◼   ► and you know Apple like hid the Apple Watch in the sort of other category so they haven't

00:09:44 ◼   ► really said specifically how many units they've sold, how much money they've made, but there

00:09:48 ◼   ► was a link on Daring Fireball just the other day talking about this and there's a bit

00:09:54 ◼   ► from Gruber that the iPod never generated more than four billion dollars in revenue

00:09:57 ◼   ► in a quarter including holiday quarters and that the iPad generated more revenue for Apple

00:10:03 ◼   ► last quarter than the iPod ever did even in its heyday.

00:10:07 ◼   ► It's not comparing iPod to Apple Watch but iPod to iPad kind of you know putting things

00:10:12 ◼   ► in perspective a little bit that while the iPod was huge in the early 2000s in today's

00:10:19 ◼   ► scale of Apple the company's grown so much the iPod you know relatively speaking wouldn't

00:10:26 ◼   ► be that big today and so this idea too that like you know the watch could could generate

00:10:33 ◼   ► the sort of revenue or the sort of impact for Apple really should be taken with a grain

00:10:39 ◼   ► of salt that you know we kind of you all spoke about it last week with the

00:10:43 ◼   ► quarterly results the iPad is still falling and even compared to the iPad

00:10:48 ◼   ► where it is today the iPod was never as big so just it's all like it I agree

00:10:51 ◼   ► with you guys it's interesting thread of conversation but it's sort of like saying

00:10:55 ◼   ► that the iPod socks created a halo effect for the iPod like it's it's sort

00:10:59 ◼   ► of the wrong direction I found some iPod socks recently yeah I got a whole pack

00:11:04 ◼   ► yep that's what I found except the green one the green one has an iPod in it

00:11:07 ◼   ► somewhere in the world.

00:11:08 ◼   ► >> Just gone.

00:11:09 ◼   ► >> I know it's, I know that I have an iPod in one of those, I just don't know where the

00:11:14 ◼   ► iPod is. Maybe it's in my sock drawer.

00:11:17 ◼   ► >> Gotcha.

00:11:18 ◼   ► >> A couple of weeks ago, we were fretting a little bit about smart devices and kind

00:11:25 ◼   ► of the future of them, right? You know, we were talking about issues at Nest and stuff

00:11:28 ◼   ► like that. A piece of news that came out in the last week is that Nokia, for reasons unknown,

00:11:34 ◼   ► has bought WiThings.

00:11:35 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Yeah, and this is just one of those things where it's like I'm sure that Nokia have bought them because they can't make phones anymore

00:11:43 ◼   ► So they're buying a company that does smart devices

00:11:46 ◼   ► but this is just one of those instances where you know if if

00:11:51 ◼   ► Twitter gets bought by Facebook. It doesn't really affect me in the long run. It's like okay a company owns this company

00:11:59 ◼   ► They're gonna do whatever they're gonna do with it

00:12:00 ◼   ► But if a company buys another company whose devices I have in my home to control my light switches and to turn my

00:12:08 ◼   ► alarm clock on and off

00:12:10 ◼   ► any changes that get made are going to affect me in a bigger way and

00:12:14 ◼   ► I think that this is like an unfortunate reality that we're in now that we're allowing

00:12:21 ◼   ► technology companies to embed themselves further and further into our homes

00:12:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it's I mean

00:12:30 ◼   ► Nokia like I mean, I don't know what they're up to these days, but well, this is what they're doing now

00:12:35 ◼   ► Like they're just how can we ride a wave that isn't smartphones because we're not allowed to make them

00:12:40 ◼   ► Yeah, there's that

00:12:43 ◼   ► the

00:12:45 ◼   ► your comment about you know having something that's like embedded in your home or like

00:12:49 ◼   ► Pivotal to like the your security or your family safety or something. They're definitely like makes me think

00:12:56 ◼   ► I don't know if I said this but now I've got a nest thermostat and

00:12:59 ◼   ► and I've already had thoughts,

00:13:01 ◼   ► like if we move at some point,

00:13:02 ◼   ► like do I put another Nest thermostat up?

00:13:06 ◼   ► And like they're part of the Alphabet family of companies,

00:13:11 ◼   ► but there's been so much turmoil over there.

00:13:13 ◼   ► It really makes you wonder about something

00:13:15 ◼   ► that is like actually wired into your home,

00:13:17 ◼   ► like what happens if this company goes away?

00:13:21 ◼   ► You know, and I have a couple of YThings products.

00:13:23 ◼   ► I've got the watch, which we've spoken about,

00:13:24 ◼   ► and I've got the smart scale,

00:13:26 ◼   ► which I think Federico, you have as well?

00:13:28 ◼   ► I have the Smart Body Analyzer. It's the name.

00:13:31 ◼   ► That thing. And both of those products are great and their software is pretty good and

00:13:37 ◼   ► I've been a happy customer of theirs. So I hope that Nokia allows them just to continue

00:13:46 ◼   ► doing their thing, but it'll be yet another kind of Internet of Things type company to

00:13:52 ◼   ► now worry about.

00:13:54 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like there's nothing to say that Nokia isn't going to do amazing things now

00:13:58 ◼   ► that they know why things and there's nothing to say that they're not going to keep all

00:14:01 ◼   ► their apps and services running, but there's a possibility of it.

00:14:05 ◼   ► We actually don't know and that's kind of the uncertainty which isn't fantastic.

00:14:11 ◼   ► Like I've been thinking, I have a camera in my home now, the Canary, it could get bought

00:14:16 ◼   ► by another company and they could shut it down or whatever, like I could get some terms

00:14:21 ◼   ► the service change and then all of my images are uploaded somewhere.

00:14:26 ◼   ► It's interesting now that we're actually kind of inviting these technology companies

00:14:33 ◼   ► in, the things that they do and the changes that they make can have a bigger effect on

00:14:38 ◼   ► us.

00:14:40 ◼   ► I am very happy that, you know, I've been well known actually to in the past make many

00:14:47 ◼   ► errors when it comes to typing things.

00:14:50 ◼   ► So there is even a website of my autocorrect issues called Mykechats.xyz.

00:14:56 ◼   ► It is a Tumblr which people can submit to, which happens a lot.

00:15:01 ◼   ► It is a thing that I do.

00:15:04 ◼   ► There was a patent that came out, I saw this on The Verge this week.

00:15:07 ◼   ► Apple has patented an idea to display to somebody the autocorrect issues.

00:15:15 ◼   ► Say for example you get a text message and a word doesn't seem to make any sense.

00:15:20 ◼   ► it's been auto-corrected.

00:15:22 ◼   ► The idea from looking at this patent is

00:15:25 ◼   ► that you could press a button

00:15:26 ◼   ► and it would show you the recipient of that weird message,

00:15:30 ◼   ► the other things that could have been said.

00:15:33 ◼   ► Does that make sense?

00:15:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, no.

00:15:35 ◼   ► - So it's like a way for Apple to display to people

00:15:38 ◼   ► and maybe in the messages app and elsewhere,

00:15:40 ◼   ► hopefully what you're trying to say.

00:15:42 ◼   ► And I think that this is fun.

00:15:44 ◼   ► I think that it's cool of Apple

00:15:46 ◼   ► if they're looking to get involved in this kind of meme.

00:15:49 ◼   ► and I would like to see something like this.

00:15:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think it makes sense.

00:15:54 ◼   ► I mean, from the sender point of view,

00:15:57 ◼   ► in some places, Apple already does show you

00:16:01 ◼   ► where autocorrect applies,

00:16:04 ◼   ► you know, when you get the little blue dots

00:16:06 ◼   ► under the word, is that when you see

00:16:08 ◼   ► the autocorrect in effect?

00:16:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's when a word has been corrected.

00:16:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, and maybe, you know, this could be a way

00:16:15 ◼   ► to bring that on the other side of a conversation

00:16:18 ◼   ► and to show you an actual interface,

00:16:20 ◼   ► I think it makes sense.

00:16:21 ◼   ► It could be fun.

00:16:22 ◼   ► - 'Cause even if it doesn't show the correct word,

00:16:24 ◼   ► at least what it does is indicates to someone

00:16:26 ◼   ► that this word might be wrong.

00:16:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:16:30 ◼   ► - And that could be very valuable.

00:16:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, it shows you what the other person might mean

00:16:35 ◼   ► with what they typed.

00:16:37 ◼   ► - So I like the sound of this. - It makes sense.

00:16:39 ◼   ► - I think it could be fun.

00:16:39 ◼   ► And I think you could,

00:16:41 ◼   ► this is like one of those silly little features

00:16:42 ◼   ► that you could package up in quite a nice way, right?

00:16:45 ◼   ► It could be like a funny little thing that you could demo

00:16:47 ◼   ► and it might make just a little change for people.

00:16:50 ◼   ► I think it's kind of cool.

00:16:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, it could go together with some improvements

00:16:54 ◼   ► of the system keyboard as well.

00:16:55 ◼   ► So I think it makes sense.

00:16:57 ◼   ► - I really, really wish for that.

00:16:58 ◼   ► I know we haven't spoken about that much recently

00:17:00 ◼   ► and I'm sure we will soon,

00:17:01 ◼   ► but for there to be a change to the system keyboard handling,

00:17:06 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I would love that greatly.

00:17:10 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:17:11 ◼   ► Last thing I just wanted to mention,

00:17:13 ◼   ► I have a, I bought another Apple Pencil

00:17:15 ◼   ► for my second iPad Pro.

00:17:17 ◼   ► And I bought another sticker for it.

00:17:20 ◼   ► So if you remember, I had a pencil sticker.

00:17:23 ◼   ► Like make it look like a pencil.

00:17:25 ◼   ► Somebody sent me a link to a website called slickwraps.com.

00:17:30 ◼   ► I bought my previous pencil sticker from dbrand.

00:17:33 ◼   ► Slickwraps have lots and lots of options

00:17:37 ◼   ► for pencil stickers.

00:17:39 ◼   ► I bought one which is a green Crayola crayon.

00:17:43 ◼   ► Ooh, nice.

00:17:45 ◼   ► And I've applied it and it's awesome.

00:17:48 ◼   ► This is obviously very not correct, if that makes sense.

00:17:55 ◼   ► Like they have not asked Crayola, I'm sure,

00:17:58 ◼   ► to use their branding, but I think it's fantastic.

00:18:03 ◼   ► And so now I have a yellow HP pencil

00:18:06 ◼   ► and a green Crayola crayon.

00:18:08 ◼   ► - So I wanted to ask you, Myke,

00:18:09 ◼   ► How's the people reaction to your dual iPad setup going?

00:18:14 ◼   ► Are we looking for a future,

00:18:19 ◼   ► the people versus my Curly series,

00:18:21 ◼   ► or are people just accepting your setup at this point?

00:18:25 ◼   ► - Gotta say Federico, overall,

00:18:28 ◼   ► I'm getting a lot more positive,

00:18:31 ◼   ► I have done this, this is awesome,

00:18:33 ◼   ► than I am, you are crazy.

00:18:35 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:18:37 ◼   ► people seem to be more weirdly accepting of this than they were of the 6 Plus.

00:18:42 ◼   ► Which doesn't really make sense to me,

00:18:45 ◼   ► but I'm very happy that people are getting it.

00:18:50 ◼   ► I'm getting a lot of people just say to me that they have gone for an iPad Pro

00:18:54 ◼   ► and they are very happy with it, and I'm getting a lot of people send me pictures on

00:18:57 ◼   ► Twitter and stuff

00:18:58 ◼   ► of multiple iPads in use. So I'm very happy that people are getting on

00:19:03 ◼   ► board of the multiple iPad lifestyle.

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00:20:13 ◼   ► All right so Federico something has happened with Apple Music that I don't fully understand

00:20:23 ◼   ► it seems like it would be a good thing but it's kind of confusing there's a new API?

00:20:29 ◼   ► So with iOS 9.3, Apple introduced a bunch of new Apple Music APIs.

00:20:35 ◼   ► But only last week I think they kind of promoted the API through the iTunes affiliate newsletter

00:20:42 ◼   ► and they also included more links to documentation and best practices for developers.

00:20:46 ◼   ► So yes, there's some new stuff in iOS 9.3.

00:20:50 ◼   ► What you might come across as a user is a new permission screen under privacy, I think

00:20:57 ◼   ► Media or Media Library, it's a permission setting to grant apps access to your Apple

00:21:04 ◼   ► Music library.

00:21:05 ◼   ► And what this does is, first apps can look into your Apple Music subscription, see if

00:21:12 ◼   ► you're a member, and see which country you're based in, and they can also look up playlists

00:21:19 ◼   ► in your account, they can add songs to a playlist.

00:21:23 ◼   ► So as a user you can already see this in action, for example in I think in Shazam, and I don't

00:21:30 ◼   ► know if SoundHound already has this integration, but basically now when you recognize a song

00:21:35 ◼   ► with Shazam you can then go into the song details and you can add the song to a playlist.

00:21:42 ◼   ► So Shazam has been doing this for Spotify for years now, and now it's also possible

00:21:46 ◼   ► for Apple Music.

00:21:47 ◼   ► There are some limitations to this.

00:21:49 ◼   ► You cannot, as a developer, build a full-on replacement for the Apple Music app

00:21:56 ◼   ► just because these APIs are kind of limited. You can look up

00:22:00 ◼   ► a song's information just by product ID, so you cannot build a full Music app replacement

00:22:10 ◼   ► on iOS. You can access playlists, you can access user information,

00:22:14 ◼   ► you can see if you're a member. There's going to be some interesting utilities for Apple

00:22:18 ◼   ► Music coming out, I'm testing a bunch right now, but it's still not possible to say "I

00:22:23 ◼   ► want to allow users to search the entire Apple Music" or "I want to allow users to see the

00:22:29 ◼   ► 4U recommendations in a third-party client", that's still not possible. If you look at

00:22:35 ◼   ► something like Sonos, Sonos lets you see the top charts, lets you search, lets you view

00:22:41 ◼   ► for your recommendations, custom playlists from the Apple Music staff, that's still

00:22:46 ◼   ► not possible with the API.

00:22:48 ◼   ► Sonos did a close partnership with Apple, so that's still not available to developers.

00:22:54 ◼   ► But it's the beginning of something, hopefully.

00:22:57 ◼   ► And of course, this is only on iOS.

00:23:00 ◼   ► Would it be possible for somebody to develop with this API a new music discovery app?

00:23:08 ◼   ► So they look at the music that you have and suggest new things for you to add?

00:23:11 ◼   ► Well developers have been able to look into the full user library for a long time and

00:23:17 ◼   ► kind of crucially enough that's still not protected by the new permission toggle.

00:23:22 ◼   ► So the new permission toggle is only in place to let developers manage playlists essentially.

00:23:29 ◼   ► There's a bunch of apps, for example the new song shift that can look into your music library

00:23:35 ◼   ► and export it back to Spotify, that media library access, that's still not protected

00:23:40 ◼   ► by the privacy screen.

00:23:42 ◼   ► So the privacy screen is protecting write access, not read access.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:23:47 ◼   ► Okay, that's weird.

00:23:48 ◼   ► And it allows apps to put media into playlists, that kind of stuff.

00:23:53 ◼   ► I think what we're looking for is the beginning of a more solid API to allow new music experiences,

00:24:02 ◼   ► But I don't think Apple wants to enable developers to build a full replacement.

00:24:07 ◼   ► So to take, for example, the four-year recommendations and to put them in a separate third-party

00:24:12 ◼   ► client.

00:24:13 ◼   ► I don't feel that's totally my speculation, but I don't feel like that's what Apple

00:24:16 ◼   ► wants.

00:24:17 ◼   ► They're just bringing more features to allow developers of music utilities, such as Shazam

00:24:25 ◼   ► or exporting utilities to do more, but not to build the full replacement.

00:24:33 ◼   ► Are you happy with this API?

00:24:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm doing a bunch of cool things with the new Apple Music API.

00:24:42 ◼   ► And if only the fact that apps like SongShift can now export back and forth playlists from

00:24:48 ◼   ► Spotify to Apple Music and vice versa, that's cool, that's useful.

00:24:52 ◼   ► And it works well.

00:24:55 ◼   ► So I think I'm happy, yeah.

00:24:59 ◼   ► They could do more, but that's a good place to start.

00:25:03 ◼   ► Maybe this is just the beginning of it though, right?

00:25:05 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:25:06 ◼   ► I mean it would be awesome to see the full access that they gave Sonos, but that's a

00:25:13 ◼   ► partnership because of the speakers and all of that stuff.

00:25:16 ◼   ► So for now I think it's mostly okay.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I would like to see a privacy toggle for read access.

00:25:23 ◼   ► That's what I would like to see.

00:25:24 ◼   ► Because it's kind of weird that any app can look into your song information.

00:25:29 ◼   ► And there's a privacy screen, but that's only for write access, not for read access.

00:25:35 ◼   ► Doesn't really make sense, so maybe there's going to be a toggle in there for reading

00:25:38 ◼   ► the library as well.

00:25:41 ◼   ► Seems like a mistake.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Seems like an oversight that will fix it, yeah.

00:25:47 ◼   ► Something else that happened last week that we didn't cover, but we kind of ran over time

00:25:51 ◼   ► with talking about the Apple results.

00:25:54 ◼   ► Logitech announced what they're calling the iPad Pro smart connector charging dock. Nice

00:26:00 ◼   ► snappy name there from Logitech. This is the first non-keyboard accessory that uses the

00:26:09 ◼   ► smart connector. That's why this is interesting because we were talking about it, I've heard

00:26:14 ◼   ► other people talk about it, like it was kind of weird that it's been so long and it was

00:26:18 ◼   ► just basically two keyboards that accessed it and nothing else when it is an open port

00:26:24 ◼   ► for the MFI program like lightning is.

00:26:27 ◼   ► But here is something.

00:26:28 ◼   ► I haven't tried it out yet.

00:26:31 ◼   ► I think this looks really nice,

00:26:33 ◼   ► but I'm kind of not interested in this device

00:26:36 ◼   ► for my own personal uses.

00:26:38 ◼   ► One of the main reasons for that is to charge this device,

00:26:41 ◼   ► you have to take off the keyboard cover,

00:26:43 ◼   ► which is just frustrating to me.

00:26:45 ◼   ► Like I would, where am I putting the keyboard cover then?

00:26:48 ◼   ► Like there isn't a place for me to put it.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Like if there was some kind of way

00:26:51 ◼   ► that I could just put the keyboard cover

00:26:52 ◼   ► in the back of the stand,

00:26:53 ◼   ► like if it had a little slot for that or something, that'd be great, but it doesn't. Why would

00:26:57 ◼   ► they do that, but it doesn't have it. And also, something I find kind of weird about

00:27:01 ◼   ► this product is the amount of time that it takes to charge. So this is a big caveat of

00:27:08 ◼   ► if no apps are in use, it will take around seven hours to charge the iPad Pro, which

00:27:15 ◼   ► I'm not too keen on that. Once you try the 29-watt adapter, seven hours

00:27:21 ◼   ► to charge really it's really you know quite the downgrade.

00:27:26 ◼   ► And my guess is that that is not a Logitech specific issue.

00:27:31 ◼   ► But it's just how much power can be drawn through that connector.

00:27:34 ◼   ► Right the smart connector can't handle the sort of power that you get through the lightning

00:27:40 ◼   ► port.

00:27:42 ◼   ► But I mean if you, I mean if it charged faster I guess it would be it would be more attractive

00:27:49 ◼   ► but if you wanted to use an iPad Pro

00:27:51 ◼   ► that was basically stationary all the time,

00:27:54 ◼   ► then just that little bit of trickle power would be fine.

00:27:59 ◼   ► But-- - Yeah, I mean,

00:28:01 ◼   ► basically this is a dock for people

00:28:04 ◼   ► that wanna use a keyboard, right?

00:28:06 ◼   ► Like that would be the really cool kind of use of this,

00:28:09 ◼   ► right, you would put the thing there

00:28:12 ◼   ► and you would just type away

00:28:13 ◼   ► and like that's where you put your iPad on your desk

00:28:16 ◼   ► and that's just a stand for it every day.

00:28:18 ◼   ► puts it in landscape mode which I think makes a lot of sense for that right?

00:28:21 ◼   ► So you're sitting and writing.

00:28:22 ◼   ► It's a really good product for that use

00:28:25 ◼   ► uh... but

00:28:26 ◼   ► I just... I

00:28:28 ◼   ► whilst I would love to have something where I could just put my iPad on my desk

00:28:32 ◼   ► I would actually quite like that a lot

00:28:34 ◼   ► I don't want to be taking the keyboard on and off so I'm just going to use the

00:28:38 ◼   ► keyboard cover as the stand for it right? That's just kind of where I am with that.

00:28:42 ◼   ► I would guess though kind of

00:28:44 ◼   ► the idea of using it as a stand. I wonder

00:28:47 ◼   ► how easy it would be to get in a situation where the charger can't keep up with your

00:28:52 ◼   ► usage. Like if you're streaming Netflix on this thing, are you going to run your battery

00:28:55 ◼   ► down even though it has power applied to it or is it going to kind of come out in the

00:29:00 ◼   ► wash and basically, you know, keep the the the current the current level. So I feel like

00:29:07 ◼   ► it would give you more time but it wouldn't keep the battery up. I mean maybe. I mean

00:29:12 ◼   ► It's not a lot of power moving through that thing.

00:29:15 ◼   ► And like I said, I assume this is a smart connector

00:29:19 ◼   ► limitation, I think it's something that could be

00:29:22 ◼   ► interesting to see Apple update this over time.

00:29:24 ◼   ► That what if the smart connector could take in the same

00:29:28 ◼   ► sort of charge as, you know, say that 29 watt adapter

00:29:31 ◼   ► can give out.

00:29:32 ◼   ► I mean, I think it's good overall that people are doing

00:29:36 ◼   ► more things with a smart connector.

00:29:37 ◼   ► It's still only Logitech, they make that keyboard

00:29:40 ◼   ► clip-in case business but I hope that other companies now especially now

00:29:47 ◼   ► the 9.7 inch pro is out and more companies start using this smart

00:29:51 ◼   ► connector in more interesting ways like I could see a world where especially if

00:29:55 ◼   ► they resolve this power issue like I could have sit my iPad down in a bunch of

00:29:59 ◼   ► different scenarios and it gained new capability like what if you could set it

00:30:04 ◼   ► down and have a keyboard in front of it like a musical keyboard or sit it down

00:30:08 ◼   ► in front of like a there's a company that makes a iPad compatible like little

00:30:15 ◼   ► little mixer and it comes with an app and you have a lot of controls on the

00:30:20 ◼   ► iPad then you have some physical controls on the mixer itself like all

00:30:23 ◼   ► that sort of stuff would be possible through the smart connector if it

00:30:27 ◼   ► becomes more like widely adopted and I guess that that's just going to take

00:30:32 ◼   ► time right because it's only two iPads out of the 17 SKUs or whatever there are

00:30:36 ◼   ► are that have it. But it's a step in the right direction, I guess.

00:30:41 ◼   ► What I've been thinking about, and actually I want to ask you too for advice here, I struggle

00:30:47 ◼   ► to use iPad keyboards because I have big hands and a lot of the keyboards are small and so

00:30:54 ◼   ► they're not really comfortable for me to type on. So I've been thinking, maybe I should

00:30:58 ◼   ► give the Apple Magic keyboard a try and see how it works. I know that it's not a smart

00:31:04 ◼   ► connector keyboard, it's a Bluetooth keyboard, but maybe a lot of people like it and maybe

00:31:08 ◼   ► it's big enough for me to type on long pieces and reviews, and maybe that keyboard, combined

00:31:13 ◼   ► with the Logitech stand, if I'm sitting for three hours in a writing session and I need

00:31:19 ◼   ► to get an article done, maybe that kind of setup would be more comfortable, like from

00:31:24 ◼   ► a physical point of view, for my hands, for typing. Do you guys use a Magic keyboard with

00:31:29 ◼   ► an iPad? Have you tried one?

00:31:31 ◼   ► I have so I have the smart keyboard on my iPad and I'm using that more and more just

00:31:36 ◼   ► for the convenience that it's always there.

00:31:39 ◼   ► But the magic keyboard is my daily driver at my desk on the Mac and my desk here at

00:31:44 ◼   ► the office.

00:31:45 ◼   ► I've got one as well.

00:31:46 ◼   ► And so if I even now as I've gotten more used to the smart keyboard, if I really have something

00:31:52 ◼   ► long I want to write, it is tempting to put the iPad in a stand and use the the magic

00:31:57 ◼   ► keyboard.

00:31:58 ◼   ► there's like sometimes you get some weirdness with like the Bluetooth

00:32:02 ◼   ► connecting or whatever but it has gotten much better over the years than it was

00:32:06 ◼   ► in the early days and with the smart keyboard being really easy to turn on

00:32:10 ◼   ► and off or the magic keyboard excuse me that's got a little power switch just

00:32:15 ◼   ► around the end it's very easy to make sure it's off unlike the old Bluetooth

00:32:18 ◼   ► keyboards it's really like not too bad to throw in a bag or something and know

00:32:22 ◼   ► that it's not gonna wake your iPad up. I'm thinking about it I'm thinking

00:32:27 ◼   ► I think it would be a lot better for you ergonomically as well if you're sitting down for that amount

00:32:31 ◼   ► of time to be having the iPad in a stand which you could maybe put on top of some books or

00:32:36 ◼   ► something to bring it to eye level and then use a keyboard in front of you as opposed

00:32:40 ◼   ► to what I assume you're probably doing now which is kind of leaning over the iPad and

00:32:44 ◼   ► typing on the glass or you know.

00:32:47 ◼   ► I think if you're going to be sitting down for long periods of time, you know to write

00:32:52 ◼   ► a 17,000 word review or something, you should probably be thinking about how you do this

00:32:57 ◼   ► as if it were a desktop computer so you can make the space a bit more ergonomically friendly

00:33:02 ◼   ► for you. So I actually think Federico that without a single doubt you should do this.

00:33:08 ◼   ► I'm primarily thinking about this summer when I'm going to write the iOS 10 review, because

00:33:13 ◼   ► last year when I did the iOS 9 one I ended up with a lot of issues on my wrists and I

00:33:20 ◼   ► needed to do some physical therapy to kind of fix those problems. So I'm thinking maybe

00:33:25 ◼   ► this summer I should have a more ergonomically friendly setup.

00:33:29 ◼   ► Right, without a single doubt, you have to do this. If you were getting pains, you must

00:33:33 ◼   ► do this. You have to have to change before you lose the ability to make money. You have

00:33:39 ◼   ► to have to do this.

00:33:40 ◼   ► Yeah, plus, you know, I cannot really dictate a review like Jon did.

00:33:45 ◼   ► No, you don't want to get in that situation that unfortunately Jon is in, right, where

00:33:49 ◼   ► he has to do that. So make some changes now. Your body is telling you to do it. Buy one

00:33:53 ◼   ► of these, buy a keyboard. I would suggest personally, this is my own suggestion, looking

00:34:00 ◼   ► at a more ergonomically friendly keyboard. The Magic Keyboard hurts me. I use a Microsoft

00:34:07 ◼   ► Sculpt keyboard. I don't know if something like that would even work with iOS, but just

00:34:12 ◼   ► take a look at some other options and see if there's anything that's good for you.

00:34:17 ◼   ► Okay, we'll do that. Thank you. Just in case, my friend. Thank you both.

00:34:23 ◼   ► Steven, you have an interesting topic this week.

00:34:29 ◼   ► Yeah, so I thought we could maybe talk about some of the apps that we use while we're not working.

00:34:35 ◼   ► We spent a lot of time over the last six months or so discussing our various ways that we work,

00:34:41 ◼   ► we work mostly on iOS with the two of you.

00:34:43 ◼   ► But you know, we do use our devices

00:34:47 ◼   ► for things outside of work.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Although I think we all had a realization about that

00:34:52 ◼   ► that we can get to.

00:34:53 ◼   ► But I think it would be fun to talk about some of the things

00:34:56 ◼   ► that we use sort of in our personal life on our devices.

00:35:00 ◼   ► And we just have a list, I don't know,

00:35:03 ◼   ► do we just wanna go through it like one at a time,

00:35:05 ◼   ► we kinda walk through it.

00:35:07 ◼   ► There's a lot of overlap in here I think.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Or we could do our favorite, Round Robin.

00:35:11 ◼   ► We could do Round Robin.

00:35:12 ◼   ► Yes, Round Robin.

00:35:13 ◼   ► Let's just go Round Robin.

00:35:15 ◼   ► All right.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Woo.

00:35:17 ◼   ► You're the only one who knows how it works,

00:35:18 ◼   ► so tell us what to do.

00:35:19 ◼   ► Just one at a time.

00:35:21 ◼   ► It's not difficult.

00:35:22 ◼   ► So confusing.

00:35:22 ◼   ► It's not difficult.

00:35:23 ◼   ► All right, so I will start with day one,

00:35:26 ◼   ► which if you're not familiar with,

00:35:27 ◼   ► is a journaling app for the Mac and iOS.

00:35:29 ◼   ► You can upload photos, write text,

00:35:33 ◼   ► put GPS locations in.

00:35:35 ◼   ► And I used it a lot in the last week.

00:35:36 ◼   ► We were traveling through the Northeast

00:35:38 ◼   ► and I did some of it while I was gone,

00:35:43 ◼   ► but when I got home, I went through the,

00:35:45 ◼   ► I don't know, 600 photos we had from the trip.

00:35:47 ◼   ► And I put some of my favorites into day one entries

00:35:49 ◼   ► and it said, "Hey, do you wanna use the time

00:35:51 ◼   ► "and geolocation of the photo?"

00:35:54 ◼   ► And so if I look at my day one,

00:35:55 ◼   ► I can see our trip all lined out,

00:35:56 ◼   ► even though I put all the journal entries in one day.

00:36:00 ◼   ► And it's just a really nice way to have stuff

00:36:03 ◼   ► for me to look at later.

00:36:04 ◼   ► I really enjoy opening the app,

00:36:05 ◼   ► especially on the iPad is really great.

00:36:07 ◼   ► and kind of flicking through, you know, I've got,

00:36:10 ◼   ► I don't know, I can open it.

00:36:11 ◼   ► I don't know how many years of journaling

00:36:13 ◼   ► I have now in day one.

00:36:14 ◼   ► And like I said, it's not all

00:36:16 ◼   ► necessarily about super in-depth

00:36:21 ◼   ► journaling the way you think it is,

00:36:23 ◼   ► but a lot of times, just a little photo

00:36:25 ◼   ► and a little caption.

00:36:27 ◼   ► So I've got stuff dating way back to 2010 in here.

00:36:31 ◼   ► And it's got tags and search and a whole bunch of stuff.

00:36:35 ◼   ► It's all the good things about journaling in a notebook,

00:36:38 ◼   ► but with all the pluses of being able to do it

00:36:40 ◼   ► with technology to have photos,

00:36:42 ◼   ► and the new versions even lets you like,

00:36:45 ◼   ► this is the music I was listening to when I wrote this,

00:36:47 ◼   ► or this was the number of steps I had that day.

00:36:50 ◼   ► So it's fun, it brings a lot of stuff in from your device,

00:36:53 ◼   ► and it's definitely something that I use

00:36:55 ◼   ► on a regular basis, it's been on my home screen

00:36:57 ◼   ► for a long time.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, that one's a good choice.

00:36:59 ◼   ► I don't use it as often as you.

00:37:01 ◼   ► I think I've mentioned before,

00:37:02 ◼   ► I put in big things that I'm proud of going to day one.

00:37:06 ◼   ► So, you know, personal and professional achievements

00:37:09 ◼   ► I put in there.

00:37:10 ◼   ► I don't put a lot more in than that,

00:37:12 ◼   ► but it's nice for that,

00:37:13 ◼   ► that I have this little record of those types of things.

00:37:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

00:37:19 ◼   ► - It's my turn now?

00:37:20 ◼   ► - It is your turn now Federico, round robin.

00:37:22 ◼   ► - Okay, so my, it's actually, I'm kind of cheating here,

00:37:27 ◼   ► but it's two picks and it's Spotify and Apple Music together.

00:37:31 ◼   ► So before I get all the comments that I'm using to...

00:37:35 ◼   ► Yes, I'm using two streaming services, and I'll tell you why.

00:37:38 ◼   ► So a few months ago, I think in January,

00:37:40 ◼   ► I chose to give Spotify another try,

00:37:44 ◼   ► just because this is what I always do.

00:37:45 ◼   ► I check in regularly with a different service

00:37:50 ◼   ► or a different app of what I'm using right now,

00:37:54 ◼   ► just to see what they're doing, what's the competition,

00:37:57 ◼   ► what it looks like.

00:38:00 ◼   ► And, to my surprise, I found out that I really enjoy the discovery process in Spotify.

00:38:10 ◼   ► So thanks to Discover Weekly, which is the playlist that they do each Monday to show you songs you haven't listened to,

00:38:17 ◼   ► and thanks to Fresh Finds, which is a series of playlists that they publish each Wednesday for upcoming artists and indie bands, that kind of stuff,

00:38:27 ◼   ► I'm discovering a lot more new music, like artists that I've never heard of before,

00:38:33 ◼   ► songs that I don't know but that I actually enjoy a lot.

00:38:37 ◼   ► And this is because Spotify, you know, they do a lot of algorithmic kind of discovery,

00:38:44 ◼   ► stuff that Apple doesn't do as much.

00:38:47 ◼   ► And the basic truth is that in four months of Spotify,

00:38:52 ◼   ► I've discovered more bands and artists and songs that I did in nine months of Apple Music.

00:39:01 ◼   ► But the two of them, Spotify and Apple Music, for me are complementary to each other.

00:39:07 ◼   ► Because I still like Apple Music for a bunch of reasons.

00:39:10 ◼   ► First is the exclusives.

00:39:12 ◼   ► So a lot of the artists that I like have deals with Apple.

00:39:17 ◼   ► So Drake, Beyonce on iTunes, which is not really Apple Music, but you get the idea.

00:39:23 ◼   ► What's the other exclusive?

00:39:24 ◼   ► I think the 1975s, a while ago, did an album on Apple Music.

00:39:29 ◼   ► So there's quite a few of the bands that I like, a few of the artists that I like,

00:39:34 ◼   ► do exclusives on Apple Music now.

00:39:37 ◼   ► And I want to listen to those and I don't care about using piracy because I don't

00:39:42 ◼   ► have the patience or the time for that, I just want to pay and listen.

00:39:45 ◼   ► And the second is, I do appreciate the interface of Apple Music.

00:39:50 ◼   ► I like it better than Spotify.

00:39:52 ◼   ► It's more colorful, it's more...

00:39:54 ◼   ► I wanna say young, if it makes sense.

00:39:58 ◼   ► It's just Spotify is kinda dull and dark and black and kinda boring after a while.

00:40:05 ◼   ► So what I do is, I use Spotify as my daily music streaming service.

00:40:13 ◼   ► I listen to Discovery Weekly almost religiously every week, and I listen on Spotify, if only

00:40:20 ◼   ► because the next week I'm gonna get recommendations based on what I was listening to, and those

00:40:25 ◼   ► recommendations are for me more skewed towards Discovery than Apple Music.

00:40:32 ◼   ► Apple Music, the Intro to Playlists, tend to give me stuff that I already know, whereas

00:40:38 ◼   ► at this point in my life I want to discover stuff I don't know, and I feel like Spotify

00:40:42 ◼   ► in that regard serves me better.

00:40:46 ◼   ► But Apple Music I like for the exclusive stuff they do, I like it just to browse the front

00:40:51 ◼   ► page which is fun and full of stuff you can click on.

00:40:55 ◼   ► So I'm using both, and I think Cristina also uses both, she cannot turn me into this idea

00:41:01 ◼   ► of using multiple streaming services, so I spend a lot of my free time after work, just

00:41:07 ◼   ► like hours listening to music.

00:41:09 ◼   ► And yeah, using two services.

00:41:11 ◼   ► expensive and I don't recommend it but it works for me.

00:41:16 ◼   ► This is why I was thinking it would be nice if there were apps that could replicate the

00:41:19 ◼   ► Discover Weekly type thing, right?

00:41:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Which could actually do more.

00:41:24 ◼   ► I think we're going to cover this in detail a little bit later.

00:41:26 ◼   ► We've been putting it off for a little bit but we've got a big kind of Spotify versus

00:41:31 ◼   ► Apple Music topic planned out.

00:41:34 ◼   ► So I won't spoil that for now.

00:41:36 ◼   ► I'll mention kind of my first pick for things that I'm using more is YouTube.

00:41:41 ◼   ► I'm watching more YouTube videos and mostly on the Apple TV.

00:41:46 ◼   ► Becoming an Apple TV convert, which I did not expect, but we are using that device

00:41:53 ◼   ► more and more, and it's kind of nice because it's giving us just a different

00:41:57 ◼   ► place to watch things.

00:41:58 ◼   ► So I do it when I eat lunch or eat breakfast, I go down to the front room

00:42:04 ◼   ► and watch something there.

00:42:06 ◼   ► and that's actually kind of nice and I've been enjoying a couple of new

00:42:11 ◼   ► YouTube channels one that I really really like is called the channel is

00:42:15 ◼   ► WheezyWaiter and it's just a daily vlog type channel but I really really enjoy

00:42:23 ◼   ► it a lot so I recommend it Craig who runs the channel I really just like his

00:42:28 ◼   ► style and yeah I don't I don't really get a lot out of daily vlogs but his I

00:42:34 ◼   ► really enjoy so I recommend that so it's kind of a two-for-pick but also on iOS

00:42:39 ◼   ► the YouTube app is getting better and better you being able to use it in

00:42:42 ◼   ► split-screen is awesome and I love it yeah so yeah YouTube and Apple TV and

00:42:47 ◼   ► one watching Netflix on the Apple TV more another of my pics which I get to

00:42:51 ◼   ► move in a little bit I'm watching on Apple TV more I use maybe three or four

00:42:56 ◼   ► apps on it but I really like it and I'm kind of surprised at myself for that so

00:43:02 ◼   ► I'm gonna go next with GifRapped for iOS

00:43:06 ◼   ► Which is a kind of a two-part app you can

00:43:10 ◼   ► Sync I keep mine on Dropbox a folder of gifs and so you know think funny things

00:43:17 ◼   ► I come across mostly Tim Cook dancing I can throw in that Dropbox folder and it synced to the iPhone so I

00:43:23 ◼   ► Have a quick access to the gifs that I like on my phone

00:43:26 ◼   ► But you can also search the Giphy database from the app so I could say you know

00:43:31 ◼   ► I need a gif of a dumpster fire and type it in and you can save it to local

00:43:36 ◼   ► library you can copy a link or copy the image and put it in an iMessage or

00:43:40 ◼   ► whatever else

00:43:42 ◼   ► however you want to send a gif and it's a nice way I know there's gif keyboards

00:43:46 ◼   ► and like slack has gif integration all that stuff but it's nice to know exactly

00:43:50 ◼   ► what you're going to send like doing a gif command on slack can go terribly

00:43:53 ◼   ► wrong as everyone knows so it's nice to have like your own library and searching

00:43:58 ◼   ► and it saves your search history so you can go back and it's a really nice little iOS

00:44:02 ◼   ► app that I find a lot of fun.

00:44:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I've used it a bunch in the past as well. Like when I was trying to amass a Dropbox

00:44:10 ◼   ► based GIF library, I used GIFwrapped but I ended up just giving up on that because the

00:44:15 ◼   ► main place that I need GIFs, which is like Slack or even a service like Telegram, which

00:44:20 ◼   ► I've been using more and more, I just use their integrations and that works quite nicely

00:44:25 ◼   ► for me and then on iOS I just wait for Steven to send me gifts instead.

00:44:32 ◼   ► Don't know if I'm actually having to do them.

00:44:35 ◼   ► So my video pic would have been also YouTube because like Myke I'm using YouTube more and

00:44:41 ◼   ► more as for the vlogs I'm watching Casey Neistat's every day.

00:44:48 ◼   ► Yeah, so WheezyWaiter, like I said before, that he is like, purposefully influenced by

00:44:54 ◼   ► Casey Neistat and like, thinks about him, so, whilst I haven't watched Casey Neistat's

00:44:59 ◼   ► videos, if you do watch those, you may enjoy my selection too.

00:45:03 ◼   ► Oh, okay, okay, I'll check it out. There should be a link in the channel to Myke.

00:45:07 ◼   ► Oh, of course there will be. I mean, look who you're talking to here, of course there

00:45:10 ◼   ► will be.

00:45:11 ◼   ► So instead of YouTube, which Myke did an excellent job in describing, I'm gonna mention DS video

00:45:18 ◼   ► and VLC. So DS Video is the Synology app to stream video from your NAS and I use it because

00:45:29 ◼   ► I have a lot of TV shows that I watch with my girlfriend and I like the fact that if

00:45:36 ◼   ► a TV show cannot be... what's the word here? Decoded? The video file? If it cannot be streamed

00:45:44 ◼   ► in the DS Video app, there's a menu to send it to other video players, and VLC and Infuse

00:45:51 ◼   ► are supported, and I use VLC just out of habit, I guess. It works with every video file that

00:45:59 ◼   ► I ever have, and I watch hours and hours of... You know what I actually did is, I started

00:46:06 ◼   ► watching The Big Bang Theory in December and we caught up with the ninth season a few weeks

00:46:14 ◼   ► ago.

00:46:15 ◼   ► Congratulations.

00:46:16 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:46:17 ◼   ► That's a big task.

00:46:19 ◼   ► The problem is I love The Big Bang Theory so much that as soon as we wrapped up with

00:46:26 ◼   ► the current episode of the current season, I started watching it again from the first

00:46:32 ◼   ► episode.

00:46:35 ◼   ► It's almost like listening to music.

00:46:37 ◼   ► Before bed, after I finished work, after I listened to music, I loved to watch a couple

00:46:44 ◼   ► of episodes of Big Bang Theory.

00:46:46 ◼   ► Even if I already know the story, even if I already know what happens, it just relaxes

00:46:50 ◼   ► me.

00:46:51 ◼   ► I like that with shows like Community, right?

00:46:53 ◼   ► Like it's just easy to do.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:46:56 ◼   ► It's like comfort food for TV shows.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Comfort TV shows.

00:47:02 ◼   ► It's just always there and it puts me in a good mood before sleeping.

00:47:06 ◼   ► So I'm a big fan of the Synology that I bought.

00:47:10 ◼   ► I have a DS214 Play, I think it's the name.

00:47:15 ◼   ► And it works well with the VLC on iOS.

00:47:17 ◼   ► So yeah, I use it a lot.

00:47:19 ◼   ► My next one is going to be VSCO Cam, which I'm sure a lot of listeners are aware of.

00:47:25 ◼   ► It is a photo, like a camera replacement and it's got a lot of photo editing.

00:47:30 ◼   ► I use a lot of camera apps I've rotated a lot have a lot on my phone.

00:47:36 ◼   ► Obscura is another great one.

00:47:38 ◼   ► But I like VSCO a lot because it has a really rich library of filters and unlike something

00:47:44 ◼   ► like Instagram which has sort of heavy handed filters a lot of the VSCO ones are very subtle

00:47:51 ◼   ► and you can really go in and tweak them play with them.

00:47:54 ◼   ► And what's really great is that it has its own sort of sync engine so you can save photos

00:48:00 ◼   ► to your library within the app and they sync around your apps and so I've gotten

00:48:04 ◼   ► in the habit of if I'm shooting some with my iPhone and VSCO I'll just I'll

00:48:09 ◼   ► go to my pick up my iPad later and edit them there because obviously it's a much

00:48:12 ◼   ► larger canvas to work on. Hey that's the name of Federico show. And it's just a

00:48:19 ◼   ► nice set of tools and they have like I said a lot of filters a lot of really

00:48:24 ◼   ► fine-grained control you can export to just about anything and unlike some

00:48:29 ◼   ► iOS like photo apps it will let you export full-size and this has gotten

00:48:36 ◼   ► better over the years I tried in like 2011 I think - it is a big roundup of

00:48:44 ◼   ► like trying to manage like a taking a photo a day art project just on iOS and

00:48:49 ◼   ► the limitation I ran into then was almost every photo app only allowed you

00:48:54 ◼   ► export a downsized image and that is thankfully changed as iOS devices have

00:49:00 ◼   ► gotten more powerful and if you're into iPhone photography and you haven't

00:49:04 ◼   ► checked this out then shame on you because it really is a really powerful

00:49:07 ◼   ► flexible set of tools. I broke the round robin. You did Myke. Yeah. Yeah I was meant

00:49:15 ◼   ► to go next so I'm gonna go I'm gonna take two now so I'm gonna go now and

00:49:20 ◼   ► and then I'll go again after Federico.

00:49:22 ◼   ► Round robins, man, how did it work?

00:49:24 ◼   ► Nobody knows.

00:49:25 ◼   ► So I was talking about video.

00:49:28 ◼   ► I've made it more public recently

00:49:30 ◼   ► that I am a fan of professional wrestling.

00:49:33 ◼   ► And the WWE have their own subscription streaming service

00:49:36 ◼   ► called the WWE Network and it's awesome.

00:49:39 ◼   ► It's so good.

00:49:40 ◼   ► If you are a fan, it's fantastic.

00:49:42 ◼   ► They have so much stuff there

00:49:44 ◼   ► and they're creating a lot of original programming.

00:49:47 ◼   ► Seth... who's the guy who is involved in Family Guy? Is it Seth Green?

00:49:54 ◼   ► No, it's Seth MacFarlane?

00:49:57 ◼   ► No, Seth Green is a voice. He is Chris.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Seth Green has just created an adult cartoon show

00:50:06 ◼   ► called Camp WWE, which is hilarious.

00:50:09 ◼   ► Oh, Seth Green is the guy from Entourage.

00:50:13 ◼   ► Is he Entourage?

00:50:14 ◼   ► Yeah, he was. I think he was.

00:50:15 ◼   ► Okay, well, he's just created a show for them.

00:50:18 ◼   ► They have a bunch of great content.

00:50:20 ◼   ► The app is pretty good on most devices,

00:50:23 ◼   ► but it's just a good example of a streaming service

00:50:26 ◼   ► that's focused around one thing, and I really like it.

00:50:29 ◼   ► So there you go.

00:50:30 ◼   ► There's another pick.

00:50:31 ◼   ► It's very specialized, but if you like what I like

00:50:33 ◼   ► and you don't already have this, then you're crazy.

00:50:36 ◼   ► So can I ask you, help me understand here.

00:50:39 ◼   ► Professional wrestling is all acted, right?

00:50:42 ◼   ► Oh, God.

00:50:43 ◼   ► We're gonna go into this right now?

00:50:45 ◼   ► I honestly don't know. Is it real fighting or is it like a story?

00:50:51 ◼   ► Okay, so there are stories that I enjoy, like soap opera stories, right?

00:50:57 ◼   ► Like people don't actually hate each other, but they pretend to and things happen.

00:51:01 ◼   ► They're called storylines, things happen that are acted, right?

00:51:05 ◼   ► Mhm, okay.

00:51:06 ◼   ► But the action in the ring, of course they know what's going on.

00:51:09 ◼   ► They're looking to help each other, protect each other and not hurt each other.

00:51:13 ◼   ► but it's real things happening, right?

00:51:15 ◼   ► Very frequently, someone's gonna get punched in the face

00:51:18 ◼   ► and that's just the way that they decide to do it.

00:51:20 ◼   ► Or someone jumps from 30 feet down from a cell onto a table.

00:51:25 ◼   ► Stuff happens. It's not real fighting, but it's real athleticism.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Is that fair?

00:51:32 ◼   ► Okay, yeah. I mean, because the muscles are clearly real.

00:51:38 ◼   ► I just wonder, like, is a fight, like, is the outcome decided beforehand?

00:51:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:43 ◼   ► Okay. So they just do the stuff in the ring to reach that outcome?

00:51:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:51 ◼   ► But all the moves and the jumping and the punches are real?

00:51:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, as I say, they do things to protect each other, right? So they're not actually physically

00:51:59 ◼   ► trying to hurt each other, but the moves and the things that you're seeing are real things.

00:52:05 ◼   ► And, you know, there's a lot of nuance in this, but that's effectively the idea of it.

00:52:09 ◼   ► OK, got it. Thank you.

00:52:11 ◼   ► I would recommend if anybody is even slightly interested in why I enjoy professional wrestling,

00:52:18 ◼   ► I did an episode of Analog with Casey last year talking about this,

00:52:22 ◼   ► and I went into a lot more detail, obviously, than I have so far.

00:52:27 ◼   ► I will put that in the show notes.

00:52:28 ◼   ► I would recommend people go and check it out if they're at all interested.

00:52:33 ◼   ► So, there you go. Analog episode number 71. Federico, you're up.

00:52:37 ◼   ► - So, my next pick would be obviously, and this is kind of, you know, I mean, of course, I'm going to mention this, it's Overcast.

00:52:45 ◼   ► I listen to not a lot of podcasts. I'm not the type of guy that listens to, like, 30 podcasts.

00:52:53 ◼   ► But I do have my rotation of four or five shows.

00:52:58 ◼   ► Lately I've been binging on Cortex and Hello Internet just because I'm on a CGP Grey Fever and

00:53:05 ◼   ► Overcast is yeah, you can tell him

00:53:09 ◼   ► You probably hear it. He listens to this show. All right. All right

00:53:13 ◼   ► I do like Overcast because of two reasons the dark theme

00:53:18 ◼   ► It looks great and it was a kind of an inspiration to do our own dark theme on Mac stories

00:53:23 ◼   ► I think Marco did an excellent job with the with the balance of colors

00:53:26 ◼   ► I'm not usually the type of user who switches to dark themes, but in Overcast I'm using it and I love it.

00:53:32 ◼   ► And the second one, of course, is Smart Speed. It lets me save time by cutting silence from episodes.

00:53:38 ◼   ► And Overcast is just...

00:53:41 ◼   ► So it's one of those apps that I immediately go to download, like 1Password or Dropbox.

00:53:46 ◼   ► And it's one of those apps that I cannot imagine

00:53:50 ◼   ► using their

00:53:52 ◼   ► official Apple made version instead. It's a third-party app that does a bunch of things, has a great design,

00:53:58 ◼   ► now it's even getting faster at syncing because of a change the market did called Quick Sync.

00:54:04 ◼   ► So now it works even better across the iPad and the iPhone to sync progress.

00:54:09 ◼   ► So yeah, it's one of the very first apps that I put on my devices. Listen to all my podcasts there and I love it.

00:54:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm an overcast

00:54:19 ◼   ► supporter in the setting with a little membership thing.

00:54:23 ◼   ► - Patron.

00:54:24 ◼   ► - Yes, patron.

00:54:25 ◼   ► And I love Overcast and I love listening to podcasts with Overcast, so yeah, that's my

00:54:30 ◼   ► pick.

00:54:31 ◼   ► - I think we're all the same on that one, right?

00:54:32 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:54:33 ◼   ► - Like we all have that pick.

00:54:34 ◼   ► - Agreed.

00:54:35 ◼   ► - It's my favorite podcast app for iOS.

00:54:38 ◼   ► I just think Marco does a great job.

00:54:41 ◼   ► And there are things that he does which makes me never want to leave, right?

00:54:44 ◼   ► Which is like the SmartSpeed stuff and Voice Boost and all the things that he thinks about.

00:54:48 ◼   ► like one of my favourite newer features is the fact that he kind of tweaks the equaliser

00:54:53 ◼   ► when you're listening on the phone speaker. I think that's awesome.

00:54:57 ◼   ► I will pick my favourite game of all time on iOS which is Threes. I have recently started

00:55:04 ◼   ► playing Threes again, a lot. I adore that game, I think it's kind of the perfect phone

00:55:10 ◼   ► game. It's just a little puzzle game and it's super super easy to use on iOS. It's just

00:55:17 ◼   ► a great one handed game, you can play it forever, it never gets boring because it's so simple

00:55:24 ◼   ► and it's kind of thrilling as well, like if you're getting a really high score it's kind

00:55:29 ◼   ► of exciting to see what's going to happen next. I always get this question when I mention

00:55:33 ◼   ► threes, my high score is 63,657, it's not a great high score but it's my high score

00:55:40 ◼   ► and I'm proud of it. I love threes, if you've never played threes, first what is wrong with

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00:57:51 ◼   ► Mr Hackett, you're up.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Yes so in the theme of iOS photography which I realized is the theme just now

00:57:59 ◼   ► I'm going to pick a an app for OS X called I'm going to give this a shot and

00:58:05 ◼   ► you guys jump in if I butcher it.

00:58:08 ◼   ► Huda.

00:58:11 ◼   ► It is a Mac app that allows you to geotag photos taken without GPS

00:58:19 ◼   ► information. So on this trip I had my

00:58:22 ◼   ► iPhone of course and then I had my Canon

00:58:26 ◼   ► DSLR with a bunch of lenses and my Canon

00:58:30 ◼   ► does not have a GPS module and so those

00:58:32 ◼   ► photos are not geotagged. What this app

00:58:35 ◼   ► lets you do is you can load the photos

00:58:36 ◼   ► in the app and you can do a couple of

00:58:38 ◼   ► different things. You can tell the app to

00:58:40 ◼   ► use another photos GPS information.

00:58:45 ◼   ► These are all pictures of my Canon. This is a

00:58:47 ◼   ► picture with my iPhone took at the same

00:58:48 ◼   ► location just copy its GPS coordinates or you can search it has map information

00:58:54 ◼   ► built into the app so you can search I was at the state park or I was at this

00:58:57 ◼   ► building or whatever and it will add that data to your exif data for the

00:59:03 ◼   ► photo and the reason I like doing this is even though I don't currently use

00:59:08 ◼   ► photos.app for reasons we've spoken about I do want my pictures to have

00:59:13 ◼   ► geolocation data for things like day one or if I end up going back to photos in a

00:59:17 ◼   ► moment of weakness. I just like to have that information be complete and it's a

00:59:22 ◼   ► really nice way of doing it. There are several apps on the Mac that do this

00:59:26 ◼   ► sort of thing but by far this is the one that not only works the best but

00:59:29 ◼   ► actually looks like a human being designed it and can understand it. A lot

00:59:34 ◼   ► of these apps are really not well put together. You can do a bunch more stuff too.

00:59:39 ◼   ► You can do time shifting so if you've traveled and never set your camera in the

00:59:46 ◼   ► wrong time zone you can correct that you can do lots of stuff but it's a great app it's

00:59:51 ◼   ► like it's a little pricey it's a professional tool but I think it's like 40 bucks or something

00:59:57 ◼   ► but it's definitely if you need this definitely the app that I've found to be the most helpful.

01:00:05 ◼   ► Two questions one does it let you remove information from geotagged photos?

01:00:11 ◼   ► That is a good question. I think it can. If not, there is another app called... I'm just

01:00:19 ◼   ► searching in my applications folder.

01:00:21 ◼   ► It's in there somewhere.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Yeah I got a bunch of stuff in here. There are other apps though that allow you to do

01:00:29 ◼   ► that though. Because I sometimes have that issue where I take a picture with my iPhone

01:00:32 ◼   ► and I want to post it to the website but I don't want my home address in that photo.

01:00:39 ◼   ► I think this app probably does that but I can't tell you for sure at the moment.

01:00:43 ◼   ► The other thing I guess a good workflow, a good life hack if you will, would be when

01:00:47 ◼   ► you're taking photos on your canon just to take one photo with your iPhone at the same

01:00:52 ◼   ► place.

01:00:53 ◼   ► Yes.

01:00:54 ◼   ► Right and it just does that.

01:00:55 ◼   ► I've done that for years.

01:00:58 ◼   ► Even before when I started adding the data myself just to have it around.

01:01:04 ◼   ► So yeah that's a good trick.

01:01:08 ◼   ► All right Federico.

01:01:10 ◼   ► - So my next peak is again a combination of two apps

01:01:14 ◼   ► that I've been using again lately

01:01:16 ◼   ► and it's a moves and gyroscope.

01:01:18 ◼   ► So gyroscope is actually a service that has an app

01:01:22 ◼   ► in beta right now on iOS and moves is the location tracking

01:01:27 ◼   ► app that Facebook acquired a couple of years ago.

01:01:31 ◼   ► And to my surprise, it's still around

01:01:33 ◼   ► and it's still getting bug fixes and a bunch of features

01:01:36 ◼   ► for the latest versions of iOS.

01:01:39 ◼   ► And it doesn't drain as much battery as I remembered.

01:01:43 ◼   ► So I like to, this kind of originated from my effort

01:01:48 ◼   ► of trying to find the purpose for my Apple Watch.

01:01:51 ◼   ► And I was thinking about, is it possible

01:01:55 ◼   ► that a lot of my friends are enjoying their Apple Watches

01:01:58 ◼   ► and I'm not?

01:02:00 ◼   ► So is it something that I could use the Apple Watch

01:02:02 ◼   ► to see if it works for me?

01:02:05 ◼   ► And I thought maybe I should try to find a way to build a log of my life in an out-of-made fashion

01:02:13 ◼   ► with a nice interface because I think one of my big problems is that I don't like the dashboard of the Apple Health app

01:02:21 ◼   ► to browse data, to view trends. I just don't like the interface.

01:02:25 ◼   ► So I was wondering could that be maybe a solution to have this data and make it look pretty

01:02:31 ◼   ► so that I'm happy and I keep wearing my Apple Watch?

01:02:34 ◼   ► So I am friends with Anand, I think Sharma is the name. He's the guy who runs

01:02:41 ◼   ► You know, he's April Zero on Twitter and he runs Gyroscope, which is this crazy

01:02:46 ◼   ► Good-looking service that builds a dashboard for your life. It connects to a bunch of services like

01:02:53 ◼   ► You know, the what's the name of the Strava the running app and it connects to

01:03:00 ◼   ► Rescue time if you use a computer so it builds this picture of your life from a fitness perspective

01:03:08 ◼   ► From a productivity perspective it connects to Twitter so you can import your images it connects to Foursquare

01:03:13 ◼   ► So you can view your check-ins and it also connects to moves so you can you can see all of your you know

01:03:20 ◼   ► locations over time

01:03:22 ◼   ► So I put moves on my iPhone I

01:03:26 ◼   ► Started wearing the Apple watch again to have a log of my heart rate every 10 minutes and now I'm using the beta

01:03:33 ◼   ► gyroscope app for

01:03:35 ◼   ► for the iPhone which I

01:03:38 ◼   ► Obviously, I guess I cannot say too many details about but as you would imagine from gyroscope, it looks amazing

01:03:44 ◼   ► My god, I've never heard of this. This is so beautiful gyroscopy is all my

01:03:49 ◼   ► Gyroscope is beautiful and it's you know, they have a fair business model. There's a subscription

01:03:55 ◼   ► It connects to a lot of services, it's fast.

01:03:57 ◼   ► I think the iPhone app is in beta, so there's like a waiting list, but it looks amazing.

01:04:03 ◼   ► It's seriously the best interface for heart rate and fitness data that I've seen on the

01:04:07 ◼   ► iPhone.

01:04:08 ◼   ► So I'm using this too, and my physical therapist advised me to change my exercise routine,

01:04:17 ◼   ► to do a bunch of things differently.

01:04:19 ◼   ► So now that I've made these changes in my life and I'm using these two apps, it's fun

01:04:23 ◼   ► to, you know, at the end of each day to kind of open gyroscope, see what have been, confirm

01:04:29 ◼   ► the data from moves, which, fun fact, changed from Foursquare location data to Facebook

01:04:35 ◼   ► location data, of course, and it's kind of less accurate than before, but it's getting

01:04:39 ◼   ► better. So yeah, moves and gyroscope, it's a fun combo, and I like it. And gyroscope

01:04:45 ◼   ► is seriously amazing. I mean, if only the interface, it's fantastic.

01:04:51 ◼   ► Have you guys heard of a photo sharing service called Instagram?

01:04:55 ◼   ► Kinda.

01:04:58 ◼   ► Is it the one with the skeuomorphistic icon?

01:05:04 ◼   ► Skeuomorphistic doesn't even exist as an objective.

01:05:06 ◼   ► It's the one that has never updated from iOS 6 that one.

01:05:10 ◼   ► I love Instagram.

01:05:13 ◼   ► It's not my most used social network, but it's one that I have the least hate towards

01:05:19 ◼   ► of all the social networks that I use.

01:05:21 ◼   ► It's very simple, things are presented in a very nice way.

01:05:26 ◼   ► Their ads are a little bit shady at times in the UK.

01:05:30 ◼   ► There's maybe a little bit more debt consolidation ads

01:05:34 ◼   ► than I would like, but I really like Instagram

01:05:37 ◼   ► because there's only, for me anyway,

01:05:40 ◼   ► there's just nice things in there.

01:05:41 ◼   ► There aren't people complaining about things,

01:05:44 ◼   ► there aren't sad things.

01:05:46 ◼   ► It tends to just be nice, simple things

01:05:49 ◼   ► about people's lives.

01:05:51 ◼   ► And being a pen person like I am,

01:05:54 ◼   ► I follow, like lots of my pen friends post great pictures

01:05:58 ◼   ► of their pens and the way that they write

01:06:00 ◼   ► and beautiful calligraphy and lettering stuff.

01:06:02 ◼   ► And there's a bunch of Lego stuff in there.

01:06:04 ◼   ► You know, like I follow very different things

01:06:06 ◼   ► than I do on Twitter and Instagram.

01:06:09 ◼   ► And it makes me happy.

01:06:10 ◼   ► And I like it for that.

01:06:11 ◼   ► And I think it's nice to have a social network

01:06:14 ◼   ► that I can go to and not have to dread

01:06:16 ◼   ► some of the things I might find in there. Nobody talks about Donald Trump in my Instagram

01:06:19 ◼   ► feed, right? There's no drama in the pen community. There is, but not on Instagram. There's drama?

01:06:26 ◼   ► Oh yeah, look there's drama in every kind of community. We have rumors, you know. About

01:06:31 ◼   ► pens? Yeah. I think it makes sense, yeah. So, you know, it's like every community, but

01:06:36 ◼   ► yeah I like it. Is there 9 to 5 pens? There should be. Myke. Set it up, right? Off I go.

01:06:44 ◼   ► some pivoting but yeah Instagram look it's whatever but mainly my tip is try

01:06:49 ◼   ► and have at least one social network that you can go to that isn't sad. I

01:06:52 ◼   ► guess my my next pick is not it's not really an app. You cheated you come up

01:06:59 ◼   ► with this topic and then cheated. No it means like no it's my idea so I can do

01:07:02 ◼   ► whatever I want to with it. I'm going to choose as my next app that I use being a

01:07:09 ◼   ► real Kindle and it's not you even said app it's not an app is it it's it's it

01:07:16 ◼   ► is an app but I don't use the app I use the device for a couple of probably

01:07:21 ◼   ► obvious reasons that it's nice to read a book when there's not a bunch of

01:07:25 ◼   ► notifications coming in I like the ink experience I like that it is really

01:07:31 ◼   ► lightweight if I'm if I just want to like take it somewhere and go read I

01:07:36 ◼   ► don't have to, especially now with the 12.9 inch iPad, like that's not a really

01:07:39 ◼   ► comfortable reading device. And so yeah, real e-ink Kindle is my last app pick.

01:07:46 ◼   ► Sorry. Sorry.

01:07:49 ◼   ► That really makes sense, okay. No, I understand, Steven.

01:07:54 ◼   ► So my, so I'm kind of cheating too, and I want to say a game, and it's Basketfall.

01:08:03 ◼   ► So, it's a very simple iPhone game that I downloaded a few months ago.

01:08:09 ◼   ► And it's a game where you have to throw a basketball into the name "The Basket".

01:08:17 ◼   ► I don't even know, I don't watch sports.

01:08:18 ◼   ► The Hoop?

01:08:19 ◼   ► The Hoop, yes.

01:08:20 ◼   ► Or The Basket.

01:08:21 ◼   ► The Basket also works.

01:08:22 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

01:08:23 ◼   ► The Brin.

01:08:24 ◼   ► So you have to throw a ball in there, and there's a bunch of obstacles in each level,

01:08:30 ◼   ► Like spikes or... what's the name of the bouncy things that change your trajectory?

01:08:37 ◼   ► Bouncers?

01:08:38 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:08:39 ◼   ► You know when you play with the flipper, there's like...

01:08:43 ◼   ► The pinball?

01:08:44 ◼   ► No.

01:08:45 ◼   ► A bumper.

01:08:46 ◼   ► A bumper.

01:08:47 ◼   ► A bumper.

01:08:48 ◼   ► And there's bumpers, spikes, and you have to time your tapping on the screen because

01:08:52 ◼   ► the hoop is moving sometimes.

01:08:55 ◼   ► And there's a lot of modes.

01:08:57 ◼   ► So you can play instead of the traditional basketball stage, you can have like you throw

01:09:03 ◼   ► food into an actual basket or there's like themed levels with the, I think Star Wars

01:09:10 ◼   ► is even a level, but I play with the basic free traditional level and I play almost every

01:09:18 ◼   ► day just to relax.

01:09:20 ◼   ► Like sort of like Myke plays threes.

01:09:23 ◼   ► I play the basic mode over and over, trying to beat my high score, which is... shame on

01:09:29 ◼   ► me but it's very low, and I think I even suck at this game, you know? But I just keep playing

01:09:34 ◼   ► it. Actually, now that I think about it, I suck at this game. I'm terrible.

01:09:38 ◼   ► This is like me with 3s, right? Like, of everybody that I know that plays 3s, like, as much as

01:09:42 ◼   ► I do, I have the lowest high score, but I don't care.

01:09:46 ◼   ► No, me neither. I don't care. And every time I play, I realise that I'm terrible, I'm awful,

01:09:51 ◼   ► And this game is charitable with me, but I just keep playing because when you tap the

01:09:55 ◼   ► screen and you see the little basketball falling down, it's fun.

01:09:59 ◼   ► So yeah, I mean, it's not a very professional game review, there's a lot of modes I haven't

01:10:04 ◼   ► tried, there's enough purchases you can unlock, it's fun.

01:10:09 ◼   ► It's a fun game.

01:10:11 ◼   ► Don't take my advice, go to the App Store and check it out.

01:10:14 ◼   ► My last pick is going to be an obvious one, it's Pigment, the iOS coloring app.

01:10:19 ◼   ► I have been doing less of this recently but it's still the best iOS colouring app that

01:10:24 ◼   ► you can buy. If you're looking for this type of experience, I've tried all of the popular

01:10:28 ◼   ► ones and none of them are even close to Pigment. I've also seen that they're working on a redesign

01:10:35 ◼   ► of some of their stuff and it looks fantastic and I'm very pleased that more work is going

01:10:39 ◼   ► into this app. I thought that Picsite were going out of business, maybe I misunderstood

01:10:44 ◼   ► that Verge profile that they did but they're clearly not and I'm very pleased

01:10:50 ◼   ► to see that they're continuing work on Pigment because it is a

01:10:54 ◼   ► fantastic app and I think if you are at all interested in the coloring thing and

01:11:00 ◼   ► you have an Apple pencil as well specifically because it works the best

01:11:04 ◼   ► there then I would recommend trying it out because nothing else even comes

01:11:08 ◼   ► close to it. And it's fun. It's fun to do. Nice and relaxing.

01:11:14 ◼   ► I do have one final pick, if Steven doesn't have one anymore.

01:11:18 ◼   ► Okay. I just have an observation, so you go ahead.

01:11:22 ◼   ► Please save the observation for the end.

01:11:23 ◼   ► Oh, no, I think it's a little thing we all realized at the end, so you go ahead.

01:11:27 ◼   ► Yes, yes. I'm not sure how to pronounce this. Is it Narwhal?

01:11:31 ◼   ► Yeah, Narwhal, yeah.

01:11:33 ◼   ► a Reddit client. I'm what you would call a Reddit lurker, which is I don't engage

01:11:41 ◼   ► with a lot of posts. I do have an account, and I think I've left like one or two comments

01:11:48 ◼   ► publicly. I upvote stuff occasionally, but I just browse Reddit a lot. I'm subscribed

01:11:55 ◼   ► to the Workflow Reddit, to the Spotify Reddit, which is a great place to discover playlists

01:12:01 ◼   ► from other people by the way. And I just browse the front page, I browse pictures of dogs

01:12:07 ◼   ► because I love dogs, and Narwhal makes it easy, you know, it's a good iOS citizen. It

01:12:14 ◼   ► supports Safari View Controller, it's got a dark theme, it supports sharing extensions,

01:12:22 ◼   ► split screen on the iPad, in fact I do use Narwhal on the iPhone and the iPad, and it's

01:12:29 ◼   ► It's very stable, never crashes on me.

01:12:32 ◼   ► Fast, looks great on the iPad Pro, looks great on the iPhone.

01:12:36 ◼   ► So every day I spend like 20 minutes browsing Reddit.

01:12:39 ◼   ► It's always fun to come across a Spotify playlist or a workflow comment thread that I'm interested

01:12:46 ◼   ► into or just a funny dog gif that I then share with my girlfriend on Telegram.

01:12:53 ◼   ► So yeah, Gnar Wall.

01:12:54 ◼   ► And it's also made by a great guy, so, you know.

01:12:57 ◼   ► I use and love narwhal. The reason I didn't pick it is because it's a work thing for me.

01:13:03 ◼   ► The only reddit that I subscribe to is the CGP Grey subreddit because that's where there's

01:13:09 ◼   ► a lot of conversation about cortex. So I might even subscribe to the front page. When I open

01:13:14 ◼   ► reddit all I see is Grey's subreddit because I'm not really big into reddit really, like

01:13:18 ◼   ► I just don't really have time for another place. But I really love it and Idina, my

01:13:24 ◼   ► partner who was just on an episode of analog with me actually which was a lot

01:13:28 ◼   ► of fun if you're at all interested in hearing me and my better half have a

01:13:33 ◼   ► conversation you should go and listen to that one it was fun I listened she has a

01:13:38 ◼   ► great accent she does right she actually almost doesn't have an accent it's just

01:13:43 ◼   ► you know great English I was uh I was surprised you know her accent is very

01:13:49 ◼   ► strong but she's really yes it's very strong maybe I don't know why you don't

01:13:53 ◼   ► hear it but it's a strong accent but it's a great one. I like it a lot. And her attempts

01:13:59 ◼   ► at doing an English accent are hilarious to me. So you can go and listen to that. But

01:14:05 ◼   ► anyway, she uses Narwhal and she is a big Reddit person and she was so happy when I

01:14:09 ◼   ► introduced her to this app. She was using Alien Blue before, which Alien Blue is a disaster

01:14:15 ◼   ► of design, or at least it was. That thing used to break my brain. Like when you'd press

01:14:20 ◼   ► a button and then like 65 buttons would appear in a diagonal view like what are you doing?

01:14:26 ◼   ► That app I think is now dead right it's been replaced by a redesigned Reddit app.

01:14:30 ◼   ► Yes and they gave all customers I think three months of Reddit gold.

01:14:36 ◼   ► Because it was a pay for app but yes for me Narwhal is the only place to go.

01:14:41 ◼   ► Love that application.

01:14:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:43 ◼   ► So Steven make your observation which is true for all of us I think.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Yeah so for me that and coming up with this list was the realization that it's really

01:14:53 ◼   ► hard for me to separate on my devices and even on my Mac work and personal stuff.

01:15:03 ◼   ► So the apps that I mentioned most of them are personal use but obviously some are a

01:15:08 ◼   ► mix of both and it's the idea that you know these devices at least for me don't have a

01:15:14 ◼   ► big like boundaries like they used to. When I had a job I used the Gmail app

01:15:19 ◼   ► for work email to keep it separate from everything else and now that's not as

01:15:22 ◼   ► important to me. And it sort of was part of a bigger idea that like all I do is

01:15:28 ◼   ► work. Like this really something that I'm thinking a lot about right now is how

01:15:32 ◼   ► much time I spend working but it's not a complaint I love what I do but well but

01:15:37 ◼   ► this is the thing that our working is also a lot of up we're getting very deep

01:15:43 ◼   ► here now is what a lot of people do for enjoyment. So a lot of the things that

01:15:48 ◼   ► that lion is blurred now, right? So things like Slack, things like Twitter, things

01:15:54 ◼   ► like RSS readers, they used to be all of the things that we enjoyed to just do as

01:16:00 ◼   ► a hobby but now they have become pivotal parts of our work and that's where the

01:16:05 ◼   ► lions start to get blurred. But it can't be something that we complain too much

01:16:09 ◼   ► much about because we're in very privileged positions. But I completely understand what

01:16:14 ◼   ► Steven is saying because I was looking at this device and I was like, there are so many

01:16:18 ◼   ► things here that cross over into the work boundary.

01:16:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, if I'm talking to Myke over Telegram about some Apple news, is that work

01:16:28 ◼   ► or is that just hanging out with a friend and chatting about our common interests? I

01:16:33 ◼   ► don't know. So...

01:16:35 ◼   ► Yeah, and I agree with you, Myke. It's a super first world problem.

01:16:42 ◼   ► It is the firstest of all first world problems.

01:16:45 ◼   ► But it is an interesting commentary just on self-employment in general. I know we're getting

01:16:50 ◼   ► all cortex and analogies for a second, but these devices, the idea, the conversations

01:16:58 ◼   ► going on, is the phone an extension of your brain? I truly believe that it is, because

01:17:04 ◼   ► Because the phone doesn't see the boundaries in my life the way that I do, right?

01:17:10 ◼   ► That it sees work and family and kids and house and everything else as like one big

01:17:18 ◼   ► collection of emails and text and images and everything else, right?

01:17:23 ◼   ► There's no, very rarely for me at least, there are no clear boundaries between those things.

01:17:28 ◼   ► And so the way that I think about them really in a way is completely artificial, that the

01:17:33 ◼   ► technology doesn't care right like mail.app doesn't know like which of my

01:17:38 ◼   ► mail accounts is work and which ones personal which one I should care about

01:17:40 ◼   ► any given time and I don't know just it's an interesting thought process to

01:17:44 ◼   ► go through but what I what I really like about especially my iPhone is that it

01:17:53 ◼   ► kind of doesn't matter because it can do all these things really well and I can I

01:17:57 ◼   ► I can switch contexts very quickly and work very fluidly,

01:18:02 ◼   ► no matter where I am.

01:18:05 ◼   ► And like you guys with the iPad,

01:18:08 ◼   ► I don't look at anything that I can't do on my phone,

01:18:11 ◼   ► because even now that I work at home most days,

01:18:14 ◼   ► there are days like today that I'm not gonna be home all day

01:18:17 ◼   ► and I need to get my job done on my phone.

01:18:20 ◼   ► And I'm actually in the middle of a,

01:18:24 ◼   ► I've got a Samsung the s7 edge on my desk and I'm kind of working on review of slowly

01:18:28 ◼   ► and like that's always a sticking point for me is that as much as I like that

01:18:34 ◼   ► hardware for the most part and as good as Android has gotten I still have

01:18:38 ◼   ► certain things that I'm locked into iOS because of the the apps that I use and

01:18:42 ◼   ► and for me it's like kind of a no-brainer like I can't switch to

01:18:45 ◼   ► Android because there are things that are so critical in my workflow I don't

01:18:49 ◼   ► want to change and so I don't know just this is this big conversation of like

01:18:53 ◼   ► where did devices stop and start and when where does work and personal life

01:18:58 ◼   ► stop and start and so I don't know it was actually kind of hard for me to find

01:19:03 ◼   ► however many I said five or six things that were sort of purely personal use

01:19:10 ◼   ► like like the reddit app for you Myke that you and Federico use it differently

01:19:15 ◼   ► and I'm somewhere in between I do a little bit of work on there with 512 and

01:19:18 ◼   ► the Apple and Vintage Apple communities, but then I also just peruse Reddit because it's

01:19:23 ◼   ► fun. And so it's all kind of messy in there right now for me.

01:19:29 ◼   ► Yeah, it's... I wouldn't say it's a problem for me, but it's sort of something I'm coming

01:19:37 ◼   ► to terms with. Like, if I listen to some music and I listen for myself, but then the people

01:19:44 ◼   ► who follow me, and I'm trying not to sound like a pretentious snob here, but if people

01:19:49 ◼   ► who follow me ask me to write about some of the music that I listen to, and I've done

01:19:54 ◼   ► that in our newsletter, am I listening to music for work, or is it just, you know, a

01:20:01 ◼   ► byproduct of the fact that, at this point, some folks follow me and us with the Maxories

01:20:10 ◼   ► Steam, not necessarily because of Apple News or apps, but just because they feel like following

01:20:18 ◼   ► a friend, if it makes any sense. And so is that work for me? Is it watching a movie and

01:20:24 ◼   ► then talking about it just casually in a newsletter or in a podcast? Is it playing video games?

01:20:30 ◼   ► My part of work is in my job? I don't know. It's odd, but I feel super lucky that I'm

01:20:37 ◼   ► this position. Like I try not to see it as a problem, I try to see it as a huge privilege,

01:20:42 ◼   ► and the fact that there's people who listen to what we say, even if it's not necessarily

01:20:48 ◼   ► and strictly about Apple News or technology, that's super amazing to me. So it's odd to

01:20:56 ◼   ► have this kind of balance, and it can get tricky sometimes when you're like trying to

01:21:01 ◼   ► hang out with friends in real life, and then there's people on the internet who message

01:21:07 ◼   ► you, but you know, there's worse stuff in life to worry about than work stuff bleeding

01:21:14 ◼   ► into real life and real life sort of becoming strange. So at the end of the day, whatever

01:21:21 ◼   ► is my slogan. So yeah, I'm trying to go with the flow here, guys. Try not to worry about

01:21:27 ◼   ► it too much. I don't know if it makes any sense.

01:21:30 ◼   ► Well that took a turn.

01:21:31 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, but I'm in a good mood, you know, this is awesome to me, this is amazing.

01:21:37 ◼   ► So I want to leave you on an uplifting note to tell you that I'm very happy about our

01:21:43 ◼   ► current situation.

01:21:45 ◼   ► I'm happy about my life, Myke and Steven.

01:21:46 ◼   ► That's good to know.

01:21:47 ◼   ► I think we all are.

01:21:48 ◼   ► I think we all are.

01:21:49 ◼   ► We're very lucky.

01:21:50 ◼   ► And we are in this position because of all the fantastic people out there that listen

01:21:54 ◼   ► to us and support us.

01:21:56 ◼   ► We want to thank you all for doing that, even if we are a bunch of weirdos who talk on a

01:22:01 ◼   ► podcast we appreciate it very greatly. If you'd like to find our show notes for this

01:22:05 ◼   ► week head on over to relay.fm/connected/89. I've put links into all of the things that

01:22:10 ◼   ► we've spoken about this week. There's a lot of show notes this week. They should be in

01:22:14 ◼   ► your app of choice, but they're not always, so go and head over there and you can find

01:22:19 ◼   ► all of our links if you haven't got them. Thanks again to Squarespace and Braintree

01:22:24 ◼   ► for helping support this week's episode. Thank you to them. And of course if you want to

01:22:28 ◼   ► find us online at a few places you can do that. We're all on Twitter. Federico is @Vittici.

01:22:34 ◼   ► Steven is @ismh and I am @imike. You can also head over to macstories.net and 512pixels.net

01:22:43 ◼   ► for more of the work of my fantastic co-hosts. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be

01:22:50 ◼   ► back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.

01:22:52 ◼   ► Arrivederci. Adios.