89: The People v. Myke Hurley


00:00:00   [Music]

00:00:06   From Reebay FM, this is Connected, episode number 89.

00:00:10   Today's show is brought to you by Braintree and Squarespace.

00:00:14   My name is Myke Hurley.

00:00:16   I had the pleasure of being joined by Mr Federico Vittici.

00:00:19   - Hi Myke. - Hello Federico.

00:00:20   How are you doing?

00:00:21   - I'm doing great, how are you?

00:00:22   - I am very well and I am very happy.

00:00:24   Steven has returned to us.

00:00:27   - I am back.

00:00:28   Did you find what you were looking for?

00:00:32   Well, it turns out I was just looking for you, Myke.

00:00:34   So I came back.

00:00:36   I mean, we told all of our listeners where you were last week hunting IMAX.

00:00:40   Yeah, it's not entirely true.

00:00:42   I am picking up the last one today, though.

00:00:43   Exactly, see?

00:00:44   The hump was on.

00:00:46   Nice.

00:00:47   Today, this afternoon, so I will have all 13.

00:00:51   There's a photo from Instagram in the show notes of 12 of the 13 this weekend.

00:00:56   So it's almost done.

00:00:58   and have the first video up hopefully by the next time we record the show.

00:01:02   Have you ever watched Dragon Ball, the anime, Steven?

00:01:06   I am familiar with it, yes.

00:01:08   When they collect all of the seven Dragon Balls, they can invoke the dragon.

00:01:14   You should do a similar ritual with the IMAX, maybe you can invoke Steve Jobs.

00:01:18   Wow.

00:01:19   Well, that would be something, wouldn't it?

00:01:24   I mean, you're looking to make a YouTube video, that would be a bit of a success.

00:01:27   That would definitely increase my YouTube revenue from the $17 it is right now.

00:01:33   You could at least make $19.

00:01:35   I know.

00:01:36   Oh man.

00:01:37   YouTube revenue is a disaster.

00:01:39   It's a dumpster fire.

00:01:42   I have a spreadsheet of things I spend money on and how much money I make from things,

00:01:46   and the YouTube sheet or tab in that Google spreadsheet is just... it's not good.

00:01:52   Well, I mean, it's gonna be horrific now that you have a plethora of computers to deal with.

00:01:57   I mean, I only spent money on like half of them.

00:02:00   Oh, that's okay then.

00:02:01   Did you, uh, did you work out what you're doing with them when this is all done?

00:02:06   Like when I'm done with the videos?

00:02:08   Yeah.

00:02:09   No.

00:02:10   No.

00:02:11   I have an idea.

00:02:12   Okay.

00:02:13   You should do a scavenger hunt in Memphis.

00:02:14   So you place each iMac in a secret location, and then you gather a bunch of connector listeners

00:02:19   to come to Memphis and do a scavenger hunt to find all of the IMAX.

00:02:23   But then what? The idea is people get to keep them? Nobody wants them.

00:02:27   No, no, you get to keep them. It's just a funny way to engage listeners.

00:02:31   Very expensive. Details, details.

00:02:38   Listeners fly to Memphis, which is expensive to fly in and out of, and you could drive

00:02:43   around in a city and find a 40-pound computer and then you have to bring it back to me and

00:02:47   then you can leave.

00:02:48   There's no prize.

00:02:49   There's no prize.

00:02:50   Just a pat on the head.

00:02:52   I may have to do something to counter y'all's rogue European connected meetup.

00:02:57   Oh yeah, there's news on that front.

00:03:01   The event is bigger now.

00:03:03   I sent out this morning about another 80 tickets to the waiting list.

00:03:09   We have increased the size of the venue.

00:03:11   We cannot make it any bigger than this, so don't sign up anymore if you haven't got

00:03:16   an email from us saying you have a ticket you probably won't get one but

00:03:21   that yeah that's all going ahead and it's going crazy I will mention this

00:03:24   later on but if you're coming to the event please buy a few drinks because

00:03:28   otherwise we will be given a big bill at the end so please bear that in mind

00:03:33   please also drink responsibly drink responsibly but buy a lot of them you

00:03:39   can get them away if you want like but yeah just remember those two things buy lots of drinks

00:03:44   and drink responsibly. That is what we're all about.

00:03:47   The two things are not mutually exclusive, you know?

00:03:50   Exactly. This event, I'm very excited about it, but I'm probably a little bit overwhelmed by the amount of people that are coming.

00:03:58   Yeah, it's a lot of people, Myke.

00:04:00   Well, we have issued 150 tickets to this event.

00:04:04   What are we gonna do?

00:04:06   That's bigger than the WBC venue.

00:04:09   I know. Well, we have a bigger venue. It's cheaper in London.

00:04:13   I don't really know what we're gonna do. I guess hug people or something?

00:04:17   I mean there's gonna be 150 people and two of us.

00:04:22   What if they put us in the middle and they decide to do nasty things to us?

00:04:26   I'm trying not to worry about that.

00:04:30   Is it called the drawing room for some reason? Like do people have to

00:04:34   bring Apple pencils and iPads and do sketches?

00:04:36   No, a drawing room is like a fancy room with nice chairs and books and stuff and

00:04:40   and we have a private bar and a roof terrace.

00:04:43   - But it's gonna be fun.

00:04:44   - It is.

00:04:45   - And there's gonna be a lot of people.

00:04:46   - If you sign up for the waiting list,

00:04:48   please check your email.

00:04:49   We're very excited to see everybody there

00:04:50   on the 10th of June.

00:04:51   Stephen, follow up.

00:04:53   - Yes, it is time to do some follow up.

00:04:56   And we're going to start with a tweet

00:05:00   put forth by listener Robert.

00:05:02   And Robert asked, "Is the Apple Watch

00:05:04   "becoming like the iPod?

00:05:05   "iPod was a multi-platform gateway for PC users

00:05:09   entering the Apple ecosystem and then he follows his tweet saying Apple watch

00:05:14   for Android. So I think I want to divide this into two sections of comments. What

00:05:20   Robert is talking about is the iPod halo effect. This idea that the iPod was so

00:05:26   great. And you think about it in the heyday of the iPod like 2003, 2004, 2005, the pre-iPhone era.

00:05:33   The iPod was so great and when they released it for Windows and had iTunes

00:05:38   for Windows the Steve Jobs quote is like handing someone in hell a glass of ice

00:05:44   water

00:05:45   unfortunately that ice water was laced with iTunes so not so great but um the

00:05:51   idea that this iPod is so great the Mac must be great and the Mac really

00:05:54   benefited and Apple really benefited from this effect the iPod would bring

00:05:58   people into the ecosystem and the next time they needed a computer they buy a

00:06:02   Mac

00:06:03   that is definitely a thing that happened with the iPod. I am not sure, in fact I'm

00:06:10   pretty sure that it can't happen with the watch for a couple of reasons. One,

00:06:15   the watch is not nearly as good as the iPod was in its heyday. At what it's

00:06:21   supposed to do. At what it's supposed to do. Like the hardware is great except for

00:06:25   the weird button I don't know what to do with but it's not this like runaway

00:06:29   product the iPod was currently at least

00:06:33   in the same sense of the iPod was

00:06:35   where you could you could have the iPod

00:06:37   operating as a solo Apple device in a

00:06:40   completely PC environment because the

00:06:42   watch is married to the iPhone of

00:06:45   course then he asked was Apple watch

00:06:46   going to come for Android I don't I

00:06:51   don't see that happening

00:06:52   I think that Apple thinks the watch is

00:06:54   really precious and that letting someone

00:06:57   with a Android phone use it seems like something they're not willing to do. I

00:07:01   could be wrong but it just doesn't strike me as something the company is

00:07:05   going to do. I think as well something worth remembering is like Apple put the

00:07:11   iPod on Windows, it gave it Windows support because Apple were in a very

00:07:16   different scenario to how they are now and they kind of needed it right they

00:07:21   needed to put if they wanted to sell more iPods they had to have Windows

00:07:26   support so they could get to Windows users. There are lots of iPhones in the world. Apple

00:07:31   would be very happy if they even sold an Apple Watch to 10% of those people. They don't need

00:07:37   to start putting it on Android. They already have a big enough customer base to sell it

00:07:40   to. That's an excellent point. The Halo effect

00:07:44   isn't really something that they're looking for right now.

00:07:46   No. And there can't be a Halo effect, as you said, when somebody who buys an Apple Watch

00:07:52   is already in the ecosystem. They already have an iPhone. It doesn't really work out

00:07:56   that way. There's also two fundamental differences from the past. The first one is that I wonder

00:08:02   how many premium Android phone owners haven't already moved to an iPhone. Apple likes to

00:08:08   argue that they've captured a lot of the premium Android market with Android switchers who

00:08:13   have moved from Samsung or, you know, a premium high-end HTC to an iPhone. But the second

00:08:18   point is, the Apple Watch, unlike the iPod, it's really dependent on features that are

00:08:24   just for the iPhone. So you could buy an iPod and you could connect it to iTunes on Windows

00:08:30   and it would be mostly the same iTunes. You know, you can sync songs, you can manage playlists

00:08:35   and it's really the same program on Windows as it is on the Mac. But with the Apple Watch,

00:08:40   a lot of the iPhone features such as HealthKit or Touch ID or many other system integrations

00:08:45   are not available on Android. So it would be a subpar experience. It wouldn't be the

00:08:49   real Apple Watch experience that you get with an Apple Watch and an iPhone with an Apple

00:08:53   watch an Android phone. Plus there are also a selection of really good Android Wear watches

00:08:59   available for Android users. I don't really see why an Android phone user would be like

00:09:06   "Ah, the Apple Watch looks so good I'm going to switch to the iPhone." They would just

00:09:09   buy an Android Wear watch, of which there are many really great ones, really really

00:09:14   good looking devices that have good functionality. So it's a good point, it's a good kind of

00:09:21   thought experiment, but I just think that fundamentally the situation is very very different

00:09:28   now to what it was in like 2004.

00:09:30   Yeah, it's interesting too comparing the size of the Apple Watch market to the iPod market

00:09:37   and you know Apple like hid the Apple Watch in the sort of other category so they haven't

00:09:44   really said specifically how many units they've sold, how much money they've made, but there

00:09:48   was a link on Daring Fireball just the other day talking about this and there's a bit

00:09:54   from Gruber that the iPod never generated more than four billion dollars in revenue

00:09:57   in a quarter including holiday quarters and that the iPad generated more revenue for Apple

00:10:03   last quarter than the iPod ever did even in its heyday.

00:10:07   It's not comparing iPod to Apple Watch but iPod to iPad kind of you know putting things

00:10:12   in perspective a little bit that while the iPod was huge in the early 2000s in today's

00:10:19   scale of Apple the company's grown so much the iPod you know relatively speaking wouldn't

00:10:26   be that big today and so this idea too that like you know the watch could could generate

00:10:33   the sort of revenue or the sort of impact for Apple really should be taken with a grain

00:10:39   of salt that you know we kind of you all spoke about it last week with the

00:10:43   quarterly results the iPad is still falling and even compared to the iPad

00:10:48   where it is today the iPod was never as big so just it's all like it I agree

00:10:51   with you guys it's interesting thread of conversation but it's sort of like saying

00:10:55   that the iPod socks created a halo effect for the iPod like it's it's sort

00:10:59   of the wrong direction I found some iPod socks recently yeah I got a whole pack

00:11:04   yep that's what I found except the green one the green one has an iPod in it

00:11:07   somewhere in the world.

00:11:08   >> Just gone.

00:11:09   >> I know it's, I know that I have an iPod in one of those, I just don't know where the

00:11:14   iPod is. Maybe it's in my sock drawer.

00:11:17   >> Gotcha.

00:11:18   >> A couple of weeks ago, we were fretting a little bit about smart devices and kind

00:11:25   of the future of them, right? You know, we were talking about issues at Nest and stuff

00:11:28   like that. A piece of news that came out in the last week is that Nokia, for reasons unknown,

00:11:34   has bought WiThings.

00:11:35   >> Yeah.

00:11:36   Yeah, and this is just one of those things where it's like I'm sure that Nokia have bought them because they can't make phones anymore

00:11:43   So they're buying a company that does smart devices

00:11:46   but this is just one of those instances where you know if if

00:11:51   Twitter gets bought by Facebook. It doesn't really affect me in the long run. It's like okay a company owns this company

00:11:59   They're gonna do whatever they're gonna do with it

00:12:00   But if a company buys another company whose devices I have in my home to control my light switches and to turn my

00:12:08   alarm clock on and off

00:12:10   any changes that get made are going to affect me in a bigger way and

00:12:14   I think that this is like an unfortunate reality that we're in now that we're allowing

00:12:21   technology companies to embed themselves further and further into our homes

00:12:25   Yeah, it's I mean

00:12:30   Nokia like I mean, I don't know what they're up to these days, but well, this is what they're doing now

00:12:35   Like they're just how can we ride a wave that isn't smartphones because we're not allowed to make them

00:12:40   Yeah, there's that

00:12:43   the

00:12:45   your comment about you know having something that's like embedded in your home or like

00:12:49   Pivotal to like the your security or your family safety or something. They're definitely like makes me think

00:12:56   I don't know if I said this but now I've got a nest thermostat and

00:12:59   and I've already had thoughts,

00:13:01   like if we move at some point,

00:13:02   like do I put another Nest thermostat up?

00:13:06   And like they're part of the Alphabet family of companies,

00:13:11   but there's been so much turmoil over there.

00:13:13   It really makes you wonder about something

00:13:15   that is like actually wired into your home,

00:13:17   like what happens if this company goes away?

00:13:21   You know, and I have a couple of YThings products.

00:13:23   I've got the watch, which we've spoken about,

00:13:24   and I've got the smart scale,

00:13:26   which I think Federico, you have as well?

00:13:28   I have the Smart Body Analyzer. It's the name.

00:13:31   That thing. And both of those products are great and their software is pretty good and

00:13:37   I've been a happy customer of theirs. So I hope that Nokia allows them just to continue

00:13:46   doing their thing, but it'll be yet another kind of Internet of Things type company to

00:13:52   now worry about.

00:13:54   Yeah, it's like there's nothing to say that Nokia isn't going to do amazing things now

00:13:58   that they know why things and there's nothing to say that they're not going to keep all

00:14:01   their apps and services running, but there's a possibility of it.

00:14:05   We actually don't know and that's kind of the uncertainty which isn't fantastic.

00:14:11   Like I've been thinking, I have a camera in my home now, the Canary, it could get bought

00:14:16   by another company and they could shut it down or whatever, like I could get some terms

00:14:21   the service change and then all of my images are uploaded somewhere.

00:14:26   It's interesting now that we're actually kind of inviting these technology companies

00:14:33   in, the things that they do and the changes that they make can have a bigger effect on

00:14:38   us.

00:14:40   I am very happy that, you know, I've been well known actually to in the past make many

00:14:47   errors when it comes to typing things.

00:14:50   So there is even a website of my autocorrect issues called Mykechats.xyz.

00:14:56   It is a Tumblr which people can submit to, which happens a lot.

00:15:01   It is a thing that I do.

00:15:04   There was a patent that came out, I saw this on The Verge this week.

00:15:07   Apple has patented an idea to display to somebody the autocorrect issues.

00:15:15   Say for example you get a text message and a word doesn't seem to make any sense.

00:15:20   it's been auto-corrected.

00:15:22   The idea from looking at this patent is

00:15:25   that you could press a button

00:15:26   and it would show you the recipient of that weird message,

00:15:30   the other things that could have been said.

00:15:33   Does that make sense?

00:15:34   - Yeah, no.

00:15:35   - So it's like a way for Apple to display to people

00:15:38   and maybe in the messages app and elsewhere,

00:15:40   hopefully what you're trying to say.

00:15:42   And I think that this is fun.

00:15:44   I think that it's cool of Apple

00:15:46   if they're looking to get involved in this kind of meme.

00:15:49   and I would like to see something like this.

00:15:51   - Yeah, I think it makes sense.

00:15:54   I mean, from the sender point of view,

00:15:57   in some places, Apple already does show you

00:16:01   where autocorrect applies,

00:16:04   you know, when you get the little blue dots

00:16:06   under the word, is that when you see

00:16:08   the autocorrect in effect?

00:16:10   - Yeah, that's when a word has been corrected.

00:16:12   - Yeah, and maybe, you know, this could be a way

00:16:15   to bring that on the other side of a conversation

00:16:18   and to show you an actual interface,

00:16:20   I think it makes sense.

00:16:21   It could be fun.

00:16:22   - 'Cause even if it doesn't show the correct word,

00:16:24   at least what it does is indicates to someone

00:16:26   that this word might be wrong.

00:16:29   - Yeah.

00:16:30   - And that could be very valuable.

00:16:32   - Yeah, it shows you what the other person might mean

00:16:35   with what they typed.

00:16:37   - So I like the sound of this. - It makes sense.

00:16:39   - I think it could be fun.

00:16:39   And I think you could,

00:16:41   this is like one of those silly little features

00:16:42   that you could package up in quite a nice way, right?

00:16:45   It could be like a funny little thing that you could demo

00:16:47   and it might make just a little change for people.

00:16:50   I think it's kind of cool.

00:16:52   - Yeah, it could go together with some improvements

00:16:54   of the system keyboard as well.

00:16:55   So I think it makes sense.

00:16:57   - I really, really wish for that.

00:16:58   I know we haven't spoken about that much recently

00:17:00   and I'm sure we will soon,

00:17:01   but for there to be a change to the system keyboard handling,

00:17:06   - Yeah. - I would love that greatly.

00:17:10   We'll see.

00:17:11   Last thing I just wanted to mention,

00:17:13   I have a, I bought another Apple Pencil

00:17:15   for my second iPad Pro.

00:17:17   And I bought another sticker for it.

00:17:20   So if you remember, I had a pencil sticker.

00:17:23   Like make it look like a pencil.

00:17:25   Somebody sent me a link to a website called slickwraps.com.

00:17:30   I bought my previous pencil sticker from dbrand.

00:17:33   Slickwraps have lots and lots of options

00:17:37   for pencil stickers.

00:17:39   I bought one which is a green Crayola crayon.

00:17:43   Ooh, nice.

00:17:45   And I've applied it and it's awesome.

00:17:48   This is obviously very not correct, if that makes sense.

00:17:55   Like they have not asked Crayola, I'm sure,

00:17:58   to use their branding, but I think it's fantastic.

00:18:03   And so now I have a yellow HP pencil

00:18:06   and a green Crayola crayon.

00:18:08   - So I wanted to ask you, Myke,

00:18:09   How's the people reaction to your dual iPad setup going?

00:18:14   Are we looking for a future,

00:18:19   the people versus my Curly series,

00:18:21   or are people just accepting your setup at this point?

00:18:25   - Gotta say Federico, overall,

00:18:28   I'm getting a lot more positive,

00:18:31   I have done this, this is awesome,

00:18:33   than I am, you are crazy.

00:18:35   - Interesting.

00:18:37   people seem to be more weirdly accepting of this than they were of the 6 Plus.

00:18:42   Which doesn't really make sense to me,

00:18:45   but I'm very happy that people are getting it.

00:18:50   I'm getting a lot of people just say to me that they have gone for an iPad Pro

00:18:54   and they are very happy with it, and I'm getting a lot of people send me pictures on

00:18:57   Twitter and stuff

00:18:58   of multiple iPads in use. So I'm very happy that people are getting on

00:19:03   board of the multiple iPad lifestyle.

00:19:05   everything went better than expected.

00:19:08   - Yep, that's my favorite kind of thing.

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00:20:13   All right so Federico something has happened with Apple Music that I don't fully understand

00:20:23   it seems like it would be a good thing but it's kind of confusing there's a new API?

00:20:29   So with iOS 9.3, Apple introduced a bunch of new Apple Music APIs.

00:20:35   But only last week I think they kind of promoted the API through the iTunes affiliate newsletter

00:20:42   and they also included more links to documentation and best practices for developers.

00:20:46   So yes, there's some new stuff in iOS 9.3.

00:20:50   What you might come across as a user is a new permission screen under privacy, I think

00:20:57   Media or Media Library, it's a permission setting to grant apps access to your Apple

00:21:04   Music library.

00:21:05   And what this does is, first apps can look into your Apple Music subscription, see if

00:21:12   you're a member, and see which country you're based in, and they can also look up playlists

00:21:19   in your account, they can add songs to a playlist.

00:21:23   So as a user you can already see this in action, for example in I think in Shazam, and I don't

00:21:30   know if SoundHound already has this integration, but basically now when you recognize a song

00:21:35   with Shazam you can then go into the song details and you can add the song to a playlist.

00:21:42   So Shazam has been doing this for Spotify for years now, and now it's also possible

00:21:46   for Apple Music.

00:21:47   There are some limitations to this.

00:21:49   You cannot, as a developer, build a full-on replacement for the Apple Music app

00:21:56   just because these APIs are kind of limited. You can look up

00:22:00   a song's information just by product ID, so you cannot build a full Music app replacement

00:22:10   on iOS. You can access playlists, you can access user information,

00:22:14   you can see if you're a member. There's going to be some interesting utilities for Apple

00:22:18   Music coming out, I'm testing a bunch right now, but it's still not possible to say "I

00:22:23   want to allow users to search the entire Apple Music" or "I want to allow users to see the

00:22:29   4U recommendations in a third-party client", that's still not possible. If you look at

00:22:35   something like Sonos, Sonos lets you see the top charts, lets you search, lets you view

00:22:41   for your recommendations, custom playlists from the Apple Music staff, that's still

00:22:46   not possible with the API.

00:22:48   Sonos did a close partnership with Apple, so that's still not available to developers.

00:22:54   But it's the beginning of something, hopefully.

00:22:57   And of course, this is only on iOS.

00:23:00   Would it be possible for somebody to develop with this API a new music discovery app?

00:23:08   So they look at the music that you have and suggest new things for you to add?

00:23:11   Well developers have been able to look into the full user library for a long time and

00:23:17   kind of crucially enough that's still not protected by the new permission toggle.

00:23:22   So the new permission toggle is only in place to let developers manage playlists essentially.

00:23:29   There's a bunch of apps, for example the new song shift that can look into your music library

00:23:35   and export it back to Spotify, that media library access, that's still not protected

00:23:40   by the privacy screen.

00:23:42   So the privacy screen is protecting write access, not read access.

00:23:46   Exactly.

00:23:47   Okay, that's weird.

00:23:48   And it allows apps to put media into playlists, that kind of stuff.

00:23:53   I think what we're looking for is the beginning of a more solid API to allow new music experiences,

00:24:02   But I don't think Apple wants to enable developers to build a full replacement.

00:24:07   So to take, for example, the four-year recommendations and to put them in a separate third-party

00:24:12   client.

00:24:13   I don't feel that's totally my speculation, but I don't feel like that's what Apple

00:24:16   wants.

00:24:17   They're just bringing more features to allow developers of music utilities, such as Shazam

00:24:25   or exporting utilities to do more, but not to build the full replacement.

00:24:33   Are you happy with this API?

00:24:36   Yeah, I'm doing a bunch of cool things with the new Apple Music API.

00:24:42   And if only the fact that apps like SongShift can now export back and forth playlists from

00:24:48   Spotify to Apple Music and vice versa, that's cool, that's useful.

00:24:52   And it works well.

00:24:55   So I think I'm happy, yeah.

00:24:59   They could do more, but that's a good place to start.

00:25:03   Maybe this is just the beginning of it though, right?

00:25:05   Yeah, yeah.

00:25:06   I mean it would be awesome to see the full access that they gave Sonos, but that's a

00:25:13   partnership because of the speakers and all of that stuff.

00:25:16   So for now I think it's mostly okay.

00:25:19   I would like to see a privacy toggle for read access.

00:25:23   That's what I would like to see.

00:25:24   Because it's kind of weird that any app can look into your song information.

00:25:29   And there's a privacy screen, but that's only for write access, not for read access.

00:25:35   Doesn't really make sense, so maybe there's going to be a toggle in there for reading

00:25:38   the library as well.

00:25:41   Seems like a mistake.

00:25:44   Seems like an oversight that will fix it, yeah.

00:25:47   Something else that happened last week that we didn't cover, but we kind of ran over time

00:25:51   with talking about the Apple results.

00:25:54   Logitech announced what they're calling the iPad Pro smart connector charging dock. Nice

00:26:00   snappy name there from Logitech. This is the first non-keyboard accessory that uses the

00:26:09   smart connector. That's why this is interesting because we were talking about it, I've heard

00:26:14   other people talk about it, like it was kind of weird that it's been so long and it was

00:26:18   just basically two keyboards that accessed it and nothing else when it is an open port

00:26:24   for the MFI program like lightning is.

00:26:27   But here is something.

00:26:28   I haven't tried it out yet.

00:26:31   I think this looks really nice,

00:26:33   but I'm kind of not interested in this device

00:26:36   for my own personal uses.

00:26:38   One of the main reasons for that is to charge this device,

00:26:41   you have to take off the keyboard cover,

00:26:43   which is just frustrating to me.

00:26:45   Like I would, where am I putting the keyboard cover then?

00:26:48   Like there isn't a place for me to put it.

00:26:49   Like if there was some kind of way

00:26:51   that I could just put the keyboard cover

00:26:52   in the back of the stand,

00:26:53   like if it had a little slot for that or something, that'd be great, but it doesn't. Why would

00:26:57   they do that, but it doesn't have it. And also, something I find kind of weird about

00:27:01   this product is the amount of time that it takes to charge. So this is a big caveat of

00:27:08   if no apps are in use, it will take around seven hours to charge the iPad Pro, which

00:27:15   I'm not too keen on that. Once you try the 29-watt adapter, seven hours

00:27:21   to charge really it's really you know quite the downgrade.

00:27:26   And my guess is that that is not a Logitech specific issue.

00:27:31   But it's just how much power can be drawn through that connector.

00:27:34   Right the smart connector can't handle the sort of power that you get through the lightning

00:27:40   port.

00:27:42   But I mean if you, I mean if it charged faster I guess it would be it would be more attractive

00:27:49   but if you wanted to use an iPad Pro

00:27:51   that was basically stationary all the time,

00:27:54   then just that little bit of trickle power would be fine.

00:27:59   But-- - Yeah, I mean,

00:28:01   basically this is a dock for people

00:28:04   that wanna use a keyboard, right?

00:28:06   Like that would be the really cool kind of use of this,

00:28:09   right, you would put the thing there

00:28:12   and you would just type away

00:28:13   and like that's where you put your iPad on your desk

00:28:16   and that's just a stand for it every day.

00:28:18   puts it in landscape mode which I think makes a lot of sense for that right?

00:28:21   So you're sitting and writing.

00:28:22   It's a really good product for that use

00:28:25   uh... but

00:28:26   I just... I

00:28:28   whilst I would love to have something where I could just put my iPad on my desk

00:28:32   I would actually quite like that a lot

00:28:34   I don't want to be taking the keyboard on and off so I'm just going to use the

00:28:38   keyboard cover as the stand for it right? That's just kind of where I am with that.

00:28:42   I would guess though kind of

00:28:44   the idea of using it as a stand. I wonder

00:28:47   how easy it would be to get in a situation where the charger can't keep up with your

00:28:52   usage. Like if you're streaming Netflix on this thing, are you going to run your battery

00:28:55   down even though it has power applied to it or is it going to kind of come out in the

00:29:00   wash and basically, you know, keep the the the current the current level. So I feel like

00:29:07   it would give you more time but it wouldn't keep the battery up. I mean maybe. I mean

00:29:12   It's not a lot of power moving through that thing.

00:29:15   And like I said, I assume this is a smart connector

00:29:19   limitation, I think it's something that could be

00:29:22   interesting to see Apple update this over time.

00:29:24   That what if the smart connector could take in the same

00:29:28   sort of charge as, you know, say that 29 watt adapter

00:29:31   can give out.

00:29:32   I mean, I think it's good overall that people are doing

00:29:36   more things with a smart connector.

00:29:37   It's still only Logitech, they make that keyboard

00:29:40   clip-in case business but I hope that other companies now especially now

00:29:47   the 9.7 inch pro is out and more companies start using this smart

00:29:51   connector in more interesting ways like I could see a world where especially if

00:29:55   they resolve this power issue like I could have sit my iPad down in a bunch of

00:29:59   different scenarios and it gained new capability like what if you could set it

00:30:04   down and have a keyboard in front of it like a musical keyboard or sit it down

00:30:08   in front of like a there's a company that makes a iPad compatible like little

00:30:15   little mixer and it comes with an app and you have a lot of controls on the

00:30:20   iPad then you have some physical controls on the mixer itself like all

00:30:23   that sort of stuff would be possible through the smart connector if it

00:30:27   becomes more like widely adopted and I guess that that's just going to take

00:30:32   time right because it's only two iPads out of the 17 SKUs or whatever there are

00:30:36   are that have it. But it's a step in the right direction, I guess.

00:30:41   What I've been thinking about, and actually I want to ask you too for advice here, I struggle

00:30:47   to use iPad keyboards because I have big hands and a lot of the keyboards are small and so

00:30:54   they're not really comfortable for me to type on. So I've been thinking, maybe I should

00:30:58   give the Apple Magic keyboard a try and see how it works. I know that it's not a smart

00:31:04   connector keyboard, it's a Bluetooth keyboard, but maybe a lot of people like it and maybe

00:31:08   it's big enough for me to type on long pieces and reviews, and maybe that keyboard, combined

00:31:13   with the Logitech stand, if I'm sitting for three hours in a writing session and I need

00:31:19   to get an article done, maybe that kind of setup would be more comfortable, like from

00:31:24   a physical point of view, for my hands, for typing. Do you guys use a Magic keyboard with

00:31:29   an iPad? Have you tried one?

00:31:31   I have so I have the smart keyboard on my iPad and I'm using that more and more just

00:31:36   for the convenience that it's always there.

00:31:39   But the magic keyboard is my daily driver at my desk on the Mac and my desk here at

00:31:44   the office.

00:31:45   I've got one as well.

00:31:46   And so if I even now as I've gotten more used to the smart keyboard, if I really have something

00:31:52   long I want to write, it is tempting to put the iPad in a stand and use the the magic

00:31:57   keyboard.

00:31:58   there's like sometimes you get some weirdness with like the Bluetooth

00:32:02   connecting or whatever but it has gotten much better over the years than it was

00:32:06   in the early days and with the smart keyboard being really easy to turn on

00:32:10   and off or the magic keyboard excuse me that's got a little power switch just

00:32:15   around the end it's very easy to make sure it's off unlike the old Bluetooth

00:32:18   keyboards it's really like not too bad to throw in a bag or something and know

00:32:22   that it's not gonna wake your iPad up. I'm thinking about it I'm thinking

00:32:27   I think it would be a lot better for you ergonomically as well if you're sitting down for that amount

00:32:31   of time to be having the iPad in a stand which you could maybe put on top of some books or

00:32:36   something to bring it to eye level and then use a keyboard in front of you as opposed

00:32:40   to what I assume you're probably doing now which is kind of leaning over the iPad and

00:32:44   typing on the glass or you know.

00:32:47   I think if you're going to be sitting down for long periods of time, you know to write

00:32:52   a 17,000 word review or something, you should probably be thinking about how you do this

00:32:57   as if it were a desktop computer so you can make the space a bit more ergonomically friendly

00:33:02   for you. So I actually think Federico that without a single doubt you should do this.

00:33:08   I'm primarily thinking about this summer when I'm going to write the iOS 10 review, because

00:33:13   last year when I did the iOS 9 one I ended up with a lot of issues on my wrists and I

00:33:20   needed to do some physical therapy to kind of fix those problems. So I'm thinking maybe

00:33:25   this summer I should have a more ergonomically friendly setup.

00:33:29   Right, without a single doubt, you have to do this. If you were getting pains, you must

00:33:33   do this. You have to have to change before you lose the ability to make money. You have

00:33:39   to have to do this.

00:33:40   Yeah, plus, you know, I cannot really dictate a review like Jon did.

00:33:45   No, you don't want to get in that situation that unfortunately Jon is in, right, where

00:33:49   he has to do that. So make some changes now. Your body is telling you to do it. Buy one

00:33:53   of these, buy a keyboard. I would suggest personally, this is my own suggestion, looking

00:34:00   at a more ergonomically friendly keyboard. The Magic Keyboard hurts me. I use a Microsoft

00:34:07   Sculpt keyboard. I don't know if something like that would even work with iOS, but just

00:34:12   take a look at some other options and see if there's anything that's good for you.

00:34:17   Okay, we'll do that. Thank you. Just in case, my friend. Thank you both.

00:34:23   Steven, you have an interesting topic this week.

00:34:29   Yeah, so I thought we could maybe talk about some of the apps that we use while we're not working.

00:34:35   We spent a lot of time over the last six months or so discussing our various ways that we work,

00:34:41   we work mostly on iOS with the two of you.

00:34:43   But you know, we do use our devices

00:34:47   for things outside of work.

00:34:49   Although I think we all had a realization about that

00:34:52   that we can get to.

00:34:53   But I think it would be fun to talk about some of the things

00:34:56   that we use sort of in our personal life on our devices.

00:35:00   And we just have a list, I don't know,

00:35:03   do we just wanna go through it like one at a time,

00:35:05   we kinda walk through it.

00:35:07   There's a lot of overlap in here I think.

00:35:09   Or we could do our favorite, Round Robin.

00:35:11   We could do Round Robin.

00:35:12   Yes, Round Robin.

00:35:13   Let's just go Round Robin.

00:35:15   All right.

00:35:16   Woo.

00:35:17   You're the only one who knows how it works,

00:35:18   so tell us what to do.

00:35:19   Just one at a time.

00:35:21   It's not difficult.

00:35:22   So confusing.

00:35:22   It's not difficult.

00:35:23   All right, so I will start with day one,

00:35:26   which if you're not familiar with,

00:35:27   is a journaling app for the Mac and iOS.

00:35:29   You can upload photos, write text,

00:35:33   put GPS locations in.

00:35:35   And I used it a lot in the last week.

00:35:36   We were traveling through the Northeast

00:35:38   and I did some of it while I was gone,

00:35:43   but when I got home, I went through the,

00:35:45   I don't know, 600 photos we had from the trip.

00:35:47   And I put some of my favorites into day one entries

00:35:49   and it said, "Hey, do you wanna use the time

00:35:51   "and geolocation of the photo?"

00:35:54   And so if I look at my day one,

00:35:55   I can see our trip all lined out,

00:35:56   even though I put all the journal entries in one day.

00:36:00   And it's just a really nice way to have stuff

00:36:03   for me to look at later.

00:36:04   I really enjoy opening the app,

00:36:05   especially on the iPad is really great.

00:36:07   and kind of flicking through, you know, I've got,

00:36:10   I don't know, I can open it.

00:36:11   I don't know how many years of journaling

00:36:13   I have now in day one.

00:36:14   And like I said, it's not all

00:36:16   necessarily about super in-depth

00:36:21   journaling the way you think it is,

00:36:23   but a lot of times, just a little photo

00:36:25   and a little caption.

00:36:27   So I've got stuff dating way back to 2010 in here.

00:36:31   And it's got tags and search and a whole bunch of stuff.

00:36:35   It's all the good things about journaling in a notebook,

00:36:38   but with all the pluses of being able to do it

00:36:40   with technology to have photos,

00:36:42   and the new versions even lets you like,

00:36:45   this is the music I was listening to when I wrote this,

00:36:47   or this was the number of steps I had that day.

00:36:50   So it's fun, it brings a lot of stuff in from your device,

00:36:53   and it's definitely something that I use

00:36:55   on a regular basis, it's been on my home screen

00:36:57   for a long time.

00:36:58   - Yeah, that one's a good choice.

00:36:59   I don't use it as often as you.

00:37:01   I think I've mentioned before,

00:37:02   I put in big things that I'm proud of going to day one.

00:37:06   So, you know, personal and professional achievements

00:37:09   I put in there.

00:37:10   I don't put a lot more in than that,

00:37:12   but it's nice for that,

00:37:13   that I have this little record of those types of things.

00:37:16   - Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

00:37:19   - It's my turn now?

00:37:20   - It is your turn now Federico, round robin.

00:37:22   - Okay, so my, it's actually, I'm kind of cheating here,

00:37:27   but it's two picks and it's Spotify and Apple Music together.

00:37:31   So before I get all the comments that I'm using to...

00:37:35   Yes, I'm using two streaming services, and I'll tell you why.

00:37:38   So a few months ago, I think in January,

00:37:40   I chose to give Spotify another try,

00:37:44   just because this is what I always do.

00:37:45   I check in regularly with a different service

00:37:50   or a different app of what I'm using right now,

00:37:54   just to see what they're doing, what's the competition,

00:37:57   what it looks like.

00:38:00   And, to my surprise, I found out that I really enjoy the discovery process in Spotify.

00:38:10   So thanks to Discover Weekly, which is the playlist that they do each Monday to show you songs you haven't listened to,

00:38:17   and thanks to Fresh Finds, which is a series of playlists that they publish each Wednesday for upcoming artists and indie bands, that kind of stuff,

00:38:27   I'm discovering a lot more new music, like artists that I've never heard of before,

00:38:33   songs that I don't know but that I actually enjoy a lot.

00:38:37   And this is because Spotify, you know, they do a lot of algorithmic kind of discovery,

00:38:44   stuff that Apple doesn't do as much.

00:38:47   And the basic truth is that in four months of Spotify,

00:38:52   I've discovered more bands and artists and songs that I did in nine months of Apple Music.

00:39:01   But the two of them, Spotify and Apple Music, for me are complementary to each other.

00:39:07   Because I still like Apple Music for a bunch of reasons.

00:39:10   First is the exclusives.

00:39:12   So a lot of the artists that I like have deals with Apple.

00:39:17   So Drake, Beyonce on iTunes, which is not really Apple Music, but you get the idea.

00:39:23   What's the other exclusive?

00:39:24   I think the 1975s, a while ago, did an album on Apple Music.

00:39:29   So there's quite a few of the bands that I like, a few of the artists that I like,

00:39:34   do exclusives on Apple Music now.

00:39:37   And I want to listen to those and I don't care about using piracy because I don't

00:39:42   have the patience or the time for that, I just want to pay and listen.

00:39:45   And the second is, I do appreciate the interface of Apple Music.

00:39:50   I like it better than Spotify.

00:39:52   It's more colorful, it's more...

00:39:54   I wanna say young, if it makes sense.

00:39:58   It's just Spotify is kinda dull and dark and black and kinda boring after a while.

00:40:05   So what I do is, I use Spotify as my daily music streaming service.

00:40:13   I listen to Discovery Weekly almost religiously every week, and I listen on Spotify, if only

00:40:20   because the next week I'm gonna get recommendations based on what I was listening to, and those

00:40:25   recommendations are for me more skewed towards Discovery than Apple Music.

00:40:32   Apple Music, the Intro to Playlists, tend to give me stuff that I already know, whereas

00:40:38   at this point in my life I want to discover stuff I don't know, and I feel like Spotify

00:40:42   in that regard serves me better.

00:40:46   But Apple Music I like for the exclusive stuff they do, I like it just to browse the front

00:40:51   page which is fun and full of stuff you can click on.

00:40:55   So I'm using both, and I think Cristina also uses both, she cannot turn me into this idea

00:41:01   of using multiple streaming services, so I spend a lot of my free time after work, just

00:41:07   like hours listening to music.

00:41:09   And yeah, using two services.

00:41:11   expensive and I don't recommend it but it works for me.

00:41:16   This is why I was thinking it would be nice if there were apps that could replicate the

00:41:19   Discover Weekly type thing, right?

00:41:21   Yeah.

00:41:22   Which could actually do more.

00:41:24   I think we're going to cover this in detail a little bit later.

00:41:26   We've been putting it off for a little bit but we've got a big kind of Spotify versus

00:41:31   Apple Music topic planned out.

00:41:34   So I won't spoil that for now.

00:41:36   I'll mention kind of my first pick for things that I'm using more is YouTube.

00:41:41   I'm watching more YouTube videos and mostly on the Apple TV.

00:41:46   Becoming an Apple TV convert, which I did not expect, but we are using that device

00:41:53   more and more, and it's kind of nice because it's giving us just a different

00:41:57   place to watch things.

00:41:58   So I do it when I eat lunch or eat breakfast, I go down to the front room

00:42:04   and watch something there.

00:42:06   and that's actually kind of nice and I've been enjoying a couple of new

00:42:11   YouTube channels one that I really really like is called the channel is

00:42:15   WheezyWaiter and it's just a daily vlog type channel but I really really enjoy

00:42:23   it a lot so I recommend it Craig who runs the channel I really just like his

00:42:28   style and yeah I don't I don't really get a lot out of daily vlogs but his I

00:42:34   really enjoy so I recommend that so it's kind of a two-for-pick but also on iOS

00:42:39   the YouTube app is getting better and better you being able to use it in

00:42:42   split-screen is awesome and I love it yeah so yeah YouTube and Apple TV and

00:42:47   one watching Netflix on the Apple TV more another of my pics which I get to

00:42:51   move in a little bit I'm watching on Apple TV more I use maybe three or four

00:42:56   apps on it but I really like it and I'm kind of surprised at myself for that so

00:43:02   I'm gonna go next with GifRapped for iOS

00:43:06   Which is a kind of a two-part app you can

00:43:10   Sync I keep mine on Dropbox a folder of gifs and so you know think funny things

00:43:17   I come across mostly Tim Cook dancing I can throw in that Dropbox folder and it synced to the iPhone so I

00:43:23   Have a quick access to the gifs that I like on my phone

00:43:26   But you can also search the Giphy database from the app so I could say you know

00:43:31   I need a gif of a dumpster fire and type it in and you can save it to local

00:43:36   library you can copy a link or copy the image and put it in an iMessage or

00:43:40   whatever else

00:43:42   however you want to send a gif and it's a nice way I know there's gif keyboards

00:43:46   and like slack has gif integration all that stuff but it's nice to know exactly

00:43:50   what you're going to send like doing a gif command on slack can go terribly

00:43:53   wrong as everyone knows so it's nice to have like your own library and searching

00:43:58   and it saves your search history so you can go back and it's a really nice little iOS

00:44:02   app that I find a lot of fun.

00:44:04   Yeah, I've used it a bunch in the past as well. Like when I was trying to amass a Dropbox

00:44:10   based GIF library, I used GIFwrapped but I ended up just giving up on that because the

00:44:15   main place that I need GIFs, which is like Slack or even a service like Telegram, which

00:44:20   I've been using more and more, I just use their integrations and that works quite nicely

00:44:25   for me and then on iOS I just wait for Steven to send me gifts instead.

00:44:32   Don't know if I'm actually having to do them.

00:44:35   So my video pic would have been also YouTube because like Myke I'm using YouTube more and

00:44:41   more as for the vlogs I'm watching Casey Neistat's every day.

00:44:48   Yeah, so WheezyWaiter, like I said before, that he is like, purposefully influenced by

00:44:54   Casey Neistat and like, thinks about him, so, whilst I haven't watched Casey Neistat's

00:44:59   videos, if you do watch those, you may enjoy my selection too.

00:45:03   Oh, okay, okay, I'll check it out. There should be a link in the channel to Myke.

00:45:07   Oh, of course there will be. I mean, look who you're talking to here, of course there

00:45:10   will be.

00:45:11   So instead of YouTube, which Myke did an excellent job in describing, I'm gonna mention DS video

00:45:18   and VLC. So DS Video is the Synology app to stream video from your NAS and I use it because

00:45:29   I have a lot of TV shows that I watch with my girlfriend and I like the fact that if

00:45:36   a TV show cannot be... what's the word here? Decoded? The video file? If it cannot be streamed

00:45:44   in the DS Video app, there's a menu to send it to other video players, and VLC and Infuse

00:45:51   are supported, and I use VLC just out of habit, I guess. It works with every video file that

00:45:59   I ever have, and I watch hours and hours of... You know what I actually did is, I started

00:46:06   watching The Big Bang Theory in December and we caught up with the ninth season a few weeks

00:46:14   ago.

00:46:15   Congratulations.

00:46:16   Thank you.

00:46:17   That's a big task.

00:46:19   The problem is I love The Big Bang Theory so much that as soon as we wrapped up with

00:46:26   the current episode of the current season, I started watching it again from the first

00:46:32   episode.

00:46:35   It's almost like listening to music.

00:46:37   Before bed, after I finished work, after I listened to music, I loved to watch a couple

00:46:44   of episodes of Big Bang Theory.

00:46:46   Even if I already know the story, even if I already know what happens, it just relaxes

00:46:50   me.

00:46:51   I like that with shows like Community, right?

00:46:53   Like it's just easy to do.

00:46:54   Yeah, exactly.

00:46:56   It's like comfort food for TV shows.

00:47:01   Comfort TV shows.

00:47:02   It's just always there and it puts me in a good mood before sleeping.

00:47:06   So I'm a big fan of the Synology that I bought.

00:47:10   I have a DS214 Play, I think it's the name.

00:47:15   And it works well with the VLC on iOS.

00:47:17   So yeah, I use it a lot.

00:47:19   My next one is going to be VSCO Cam, which I'm sure a lot of listeners are aware of.

00:47:25   It is a photo, like a camera replacement and it's got a lot of photo editing.

00:47:30   I use a lot of camera apps I've rotated a lot have a lot on my phone.

00:47:36   Obscura is another great one.

00:47:38   But I like VSCO a lot because it has a really rich library of filters and unlike something

00:47:44   like Instagram which has sort of heavy handed filters a lot of the VSCO ones are very subtle

00:47:51   and you can really go in and tweak them play with them.

00:47:54   And what's really great is that it has its own sort of sync engine so you can save photos

00:48:00   to your library within the app and they sync around your apps and so I've gotten

00:48:04   in the habit of if I'm shooting some with my iPhone and VSCO I'll just I'll

00:48:09   go to my pick up my iPad later and edit them there because obviously it's a much

00:48:12   larger canvas to work on. Hey that's the name of Federico show. And it's just a

00:48:19   nice set of tools and they have like I said a lot of filters a lot of really

00:48:24   fine-grained control you can export to just about anything and unlike some

00:48:29   iOS like photo apps it will let you export full-size and this has gotten

00:48:36   better over the years I tried in like 2011 I think - it is a big roundup of

00:48:44   like trying to manage like a taking a photo a day art project just on iOS and

00:48:49   the limitation I ran into then was almost every photo app only allowed you

00:48:54   export a downsized image and that is thankfully changed as iOS devices have

00:49:00   gotten more powerful and if you're into iPhone photography and you haven't

00:49:04   checked this out then shame on you because it really is a really powerful

00:49:07   flexible set of tools. I broke the round robin. You did Myke. Yeah. Yeah I was meant

00:49:15   to go next so I'm gonna go I'm gonna take two now so I'm gonna go now and

00:49:20   and then I'll go again after Federico.

00:49:22   Round robins, man, how did it work?

00:49:24   Nobody knows.

00:49:25   So I was talking about video.

00:49:28   I've made it more public recently

00:49:30   that I am a fan of professional wrestling.

00:49:33   And the WWE have their own subscription streaming service

00:49:36   called the WWE Network and it's awesome.

00:49:39   It's so good.

00:49:40   If you are a fan, it's fantastic.

00:49:42   They have so much stuff there

00:49:44   and they're creating a lot of original programming.

00:49:47   Seth... who's the guy who is involved in Family Guy? Is it Seth Green?

00:49:54   No, it's Seth MacFarlane?

00:49:57   No, Seth Green is a voice. He is Chris.

00:50:00   Seth Green has just created an adult cartoon show

00:50:06   called Camp WWE, which is hilarious.

00:50:09   Oh, Seth Green is the guy from Entourage.

00:50:13   Is he Entourage?

00:50:14   Yeah, he was. I think he was.

00:50:15   Okay, well, he's just created a show for them.

00:50:18   They have a bunch of great content.

00:50:20   The app is pretty good on most devices,

00:50:23   but it's just a good example of a streaming service

00:50:26   that's focused around one thing, and I really like it.

00:50:29   So there you go.

00:50:30   There's another pick.

00:50:31   It's very specialized, but if you like what I like

00:50:33   and you don't already have this, then you're crazy.

00:50:36   So can I ask you, help me understand here.

00:50:39   Professional wrestling is all acted, right?

00:50:42   Oh, God.

00:50:43   We're gonna go into this right now?

00:50:45   I honestly don't know. Is it real fighting or is it like a story?

00:50:51   Okay, so there are stories that I enjoy, like soap opera stories, right?

00:50:57   Like people don't actually hate each other, but they pretend to and things happen.

00:51:01   They're called storylines, things happen that are acted, right?

00:51:05   Mhm, okay.

00:51:06   But the action in the ring, of course they know what's going on.

00:51:09   They're looking to help each other, protect each other and not hurt each other.

00:51:13   but it's real things happening, right?

00:51:15   Very frequently, someone's gonna get punched in the face

00:51:18   and that's just the way that they decide to do it.

00:51:20   Or someone jumps from 30 feet down from a cell onto a table.

00:51:25   Stuff happens. It's not real fighting, but it's real athleticism.

00:51:30   Is that fair?

00:51:32   Okay, yeah. I mean, because the muscles are clearly real.

00:51:38   I just wonder, like, is a fight, like, is the outcome decided beforehand?

00:51:43   Yeah.

00:51:43   Okay. So they just do the stuff in the ring to reach that outcome?

00:51:51   Yeah.

00:51:51   But all the moves and the jumping and the punches are real?

00:51:54   Yeah, I mean, as I say, they do things to protect each other, right? So they're not actually physically

00:51:59   trying to hurt each other, but the moves and the things that you're seeing are real things.

00:52:05   And, you know, there's a lot of nuance in this, but that's effectively the idea of it.

00:52:09   OK, got it. Thank you.

00:52:11   I would recommend if anybody is even slightly interested in why I enjoy professional wrestling,

00:52:18   I did an episode of Analog with Casey last year talking about this,

00:52:22   and I went into a lot more detail, obviously, than I have so far.

00:52:27   I will put that in the show notes.

00:52:28   I would recommend people go and check it out if they're at all interested.

00:52:33   So, there you go. Analog episode number 71. Federico, you're up.

00:52:37   - So, my next pick would be obviously, and this is kind of, you know, I mean, of course, I'm going to mention this, it's Overcast.

00:52:45   I listen to not a lot of podcasts. I'm not the type of guy that listens to, like, 30 podcasts.

00:52:53   But I do have my rotation of four or five shows.

00:52:58   Lately I've been binging on Cortex and Hello Internet just because I'm on a CGP Grey Fever and

00:53:05   Overcast is yeah, you can tell him

00:53:09   You probably hear it. He listens to this show. All right. All right

00:53:13   I do like Overcast because of two reasons the dark theme

00:53:18   It looks great and it was a kind of an inspiration to do our own dark theme on Mac stories

00:53:23   I think Marco did an excellent job with the with the balance of colors

00:53:26   I'm not usually the type of user who switches to dark themes, but in Overcast I'm using it and I love it.

00:53:32   And the second one, of course, is Smart Speed. It lets me save time by cutting silence from episodes.

00:53:38   And Overcast is just...

00:53:41   So it's one of those apps that I immediately go to download, like 1Password or Dropbox.

00:53:46   And it's one of those apps that I cannot imagine

00:53:50   using their

00:53:52   official Apple made version instead. It's a third-party app that does a bunch of things, has a great design,

00:53:58   now it's even getting faster at syncing because of a change the market did called Quick Sync.

00:54:04   So now it works even better across the iPad and the iPhone to sync progress.

00:54:09   So yeah, it's one of the very first apps that I put on my devices. Listen to all my podcasts there and I love it.

00:54:16   Yeah, I'm an overcast

00:54:19   supporter in the setting with a little membership thing.

00:54:23   - Patron.

00:54:24   - Yes, patron.

00:54:25   And I love Overcast and I love listening to podcasts with Overcast, so yeah, that's my

00:54:30   pick.

00:54:31   - I think we're all the same on that one, right?

00:54:32   - Yes.

00:54:33   - Like we all have that pick.

00:54:34   - Agreed.

00:54:35   - It's my favorite podcast app for iOS.

00:54:38   I just think Marco does a great job.

00:54:41   And there are things that he does which makes me never want to leave, right?

00:54:44   Which is like the SmartSpeed stuff and Voice Boost and all the things that he thinks about.

00:54:48   like one of my favourite newer features is the fact that he kind of tweaks the equaliser

00:54:53   when you're listening on the phone speaker. I think that's awesome.

00:54:57   I will pick my favourite game of all time on iOS which is Threes. I have recently started

00:55:04   playing Threes again, a lot. I adore that game, I think it's kind of the perfect phone

00:55:10   game. It's just a little puzzle game and it's super super easy to use on iOS. It's just

00:55:17   a great one handed game, you can play it forever, it never gets boring because it's so simple

00:55:24   and it's kind of thrilling as well, like if you're getting a really high score it's kind

00:55:29   of exciting to see what's going to happen next. I always get this question when I mention

00:55:33   threes, my high score is 63,657, it's not a great high score but it's my high score

00:55:40   and I'm proud of it. I love threes, if you've never played threes, first what is wrong with

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00:57:53   Yes so in the theme of iOS photography which I realized is the theme just now

00:57:59   I'm going to pick a an app for OS X called I'm going to give this a shot and

00:58:05   you guys jump in if I butcher it.

00:58:08   Huda.

00:58:11   It is a Mac app that allows you to geotag photos taken without GPS

00:58:19   information. So on this trip I had my

00:58:22   iPhone of course and then I had my Canon

00:58:26   DSLR with a bunch of lenses and my Canon

00:58:30   does not have a GPS module and so those

00:58:32   photos are not geotagged. What this app

00:58:35   lets you do is you can load the photos

00:58:36   in the app and you can do a couple of

00:58:38   different things. You can tell the app to

00:58:40   use another photos GPS information.

00:58:45   These are all pictures of my Canon. This is a

00:58:47   picture with my iPhone took at the same

00:58:48   location just copy its GPS coordinates or you can search it has map information

00:58:54   built into the app so you can search I was at the state park or I was at this

00:58:57   building or whatever and it will add that data to your exif data for the

00:59:03   photo and the reason I like doing this is even though I don't currently use

00:59:08   photos.app for reasons we've spoken about I do want my pictures to have

00:59:13   geolocation data for things like day one or if I end up going back to photos in a

00:59:17   moment of weakness. I just like to have that information be complete and it's a

00:59:22   really nice way of doing it. There are several apps on the Mac that do this

00:59:26   sort of thing but by far this is the one that not only works the best but

00:59:29   actually looks like a human being designed it and can understand it. A lot

00:59:34   of these apps are really not well put together. You can do a bunch more stuff too.

00:59:39   You can do time shifting so if you've traveled and never set your camera in the

00:59:46   wrong time zone you can correct that you can do lots of stuff but it's a great app it's

00:59:51   like it's a little pricey it's a professional tool but I think it's like 40 bucks or something

00:59:57   but it's definitely if you need this definitely the app that I've found to be the most helpful.

01:00:05   Two questions one does it let you remove information from geotagged photos?

01:00:11   That is a good question. I think it can. If not, there is another app called... I'm just

01:00:19   searching in my applications folder.

01:00:21   It's in there somewhere.

01:00:23   Yeah I got a bunch of stuff in here. There are other apps though that allow you to do

01:00:29   that though. Because I sometimes have that issue where I take a picture with my iPhone

01:00:32   and I want to post it to the website but I don't want my home address in that photo.

01:00:39   I think this app probably does that but I can't tell you for sure at the moment.

01:00:43   The other thing I guess a good workflow, a good life hack if you will, would be when

01:00:47   you're taking photos on your canon just to take one photo with your iPhone at the same

01:00:52   place.

01:00:53   Yes.

01:00:54   Right and it just does that.

01:00:55   I've done that for years.

01:00:58   Even before when I started adding the data myself just to have it around.

01:01:04   So yeah that's a good trick.

01:01:08   All right Federico.

01:01:10   - So my next peak is again a combination of two apps

01:01:14   that I've been using again lately

01:01:16   and it's a moves and gyroscope.

01:01:18   So gyroscope is actually a service that has an app

01:01:22   in beta right now on iOS and moves is the location tracking

01:01:27   app that Facebook acquired a couple of years ago.

01:01:31   And to my surprise, it's still around

01:01:33   and it's still getting bug fixes and a bunch of features

01:01:36   for the latest versions of iOS.

01:01:39   And it doesn't drain as much battery as I remembered.

01:01:43   So I like to, this kind of originated from my effort

01:01:48   of trying to find the purpose for my Apple Watch.

01:01:51   And I was thinking about, is it possible

01:01:55   that a lot of my friends are enjoying their Apple Watches

01:01:58   and I'm not?

01:02:00   So is it something that I could use the Apple Watch

01:02:02   to see if it works for me?

01:02:05   And I thought maybe I should try to find a way to build a log of my life in an out-of-made fashion

01:02:13   with a nice interface because I think one of my big problems is that I don't like the dashboard of the Apple Health app

01:02:21   to browse data, to view trends. I just don't like the interface.

01:02:25   So I was wondering could that be maybe a solution to have this data and make it look pretty

01:02:31   so that I'm happy and I keep wearing my Apple Watch?

01:02:34   So I am friends with Anand, I think Sharma is the name. He's the guy who runs

01:02:41   You know, he's April Zero on Twitter and he runs Gyroscope, which is this crazy

01:02:46   Good-looking service that builds a dashboard for your life. It connects to a bunch of services like

01:02:53   You know, the what's the name of the Strava the running app and it connects to

01:03:00   Rescue time if you use a computer so it builds this picture of your life from a fitness perspective

01:03:08   From a productivity perspective it connects to Twitter so you can import your images it connects to Foursquare

01:03:13   So you can view your check-ins and it also connects to moves so you can you can see all of your you know

01:03:20   locations over time

01:03:22   So I put moves on my iPhone I

01:03:26   Started wearing the Apple watch again to have a log of my heart rate every 10 minutes and now I'm using the beta

01:03:33   gyroscope app for

01:03:35   for the iPhone which I

01:03:38   Obviously, I guess I cannot say too many details about but as you would imagine from gyroscope, it looks amazing

01:03:44   My god, I've never heard of this. This is so beautiful gyroscopy is all my

01:03:49   Gyroscope is beautiful and it's you know, they have a fair business model. There's a subscription

01:03:55   It connects to a lot of services, it's fast.

01:03:57   I think the iPhone app is in beta, so there's like a waiting list, but it looks amazing.

01:04:03   It's seriously the best interface for heart rate and fitness data that I've seen on the

01:04:07   iPhone.

01:04:08   So I'm using this too, and my physical therapist advised me to change my exercise routine,

01:04:17   to do a bunch of things differently.

01:04:19   So now that I've made these changes in my life and I'm using these two apps, it's fun

01:04:23   to, you know, at the end of each day to kind of open gyroscope, see what have been, confirm

01:04:29   the data from moves, which, fun fact, changed from Foursquare location data to Facebook

01:04:35   location data, of course, and it's kind of less accurate than before, but it's getting

01:04:39   better. So yeah, moves and gyroscope, it's a fun combo, and I like it. And gyroscope

01:04:45   is seriously amazing. I mean, if only the interface, it's fantastic.

01:04:51   Have you guys heard of a photo sharing service called Instagram?

01:04:55   Kinda.

01:04:58   Is it the one with the skeuomorphistic icon?

01:05:04   Skeuomorphistic doesn't even exist as an objective.

01:05:06   It's the one that has never updated from iOS 6 that one.

01:05:10   I love Instagram.

01:05:13   It's not my most used social network, but it's one that I have the least hate towards

01:05:19   of all the social networks that I use.

01:05:21   It's very simple, things are presented in a very nice way.

01:05:26   Their ads are a little bit shady at times in the UK.

01:05:30   There's maybe a little bit more debt consolidation ads

01:05:34   than I would like, but I really like Instagram

01:05:37   because there's only, for me anyway,

01:05:40   there's just nice things in there.

01:05:41   There aren't people complaining about things,

01:05:44   there aren't sad things.

01:05:46   It tends to just be nice, simple things

01:05:49   about people's lives.

01:05:51   And being a pen person like I am,

01:05:54   I follow, like lots of my pen friends post great pictures

01:05:58   of their pens and the way that they write

01:06:00   and beautiful calligraphy and lettering stuff.

01:06:02   And there's a bunch of Lego stuff in there.

01:06:04   You know, like I follow very different things

01:06:06   than I do on Twitter and Instagram.

01:06:09   And it makes me happy.

01:06:10   And I like it for that.

01:06:11   And I think it's nice to have a social network

01:06:14   that I can go to and not have to dread

01:06:16   some of the things I might find in there. Nobody talks about Donald Trump in my Instagram

01:06:19   feed, right? There's no drama in the pen community. There is, but not on Instagram. There's drama?

01:06:26   Oh yeah, look there's drama in every kind of community. We have rumors, you know. About

01:06:31   pens? Yeah. I think it makes sense, yeah. So, you know, it's like every community, but

01:06:36   yeah I like it. Is there 9 to 5 pens? There should be. Myke. Set it up, right? Off I go.

01:06:44   some pivoting but yeah Instagram look it's whatever but mainly my tip is try

01:06:49   and have at least one social network that you can go to that isn't sad. I

01:06:52   guess my my next pick is not it's not really an app. You cheated you come up

01:06:59   with this topic and then cheated. No it means like no it's my idea so I can do

01:07:02   whatever I want to with it. I'm going to choose as my next app that I use being a

01:07:09   real Kindle and it's not you even said app it's not an app is it it's it's it

01:07:16   is an app but I don't use the app I use the device for a couple of probably

01:07:21   obvious reasons that it's nice to read a book when there's not a bunch of

01:07:25   notifications coming in I like the ink experience I like that it is really

01:07:31   lightweight if I'm if I just want to like take it somewhere and go read I

01:07:36   don't have to, especially now with the 12.9 inch iPad, like that's not a really

01:07:39   comfortable reading device. And so yeah, real e-ink Kindle is my last app pick.

01:07:46   Sorry. Sorry.

01:07:49   That really makes sense, okay. No, I understand, Steven.

01:07:54   So my, so I'm kind of cheating too, and I want to say a game, and it's Basketfall.

01:08:03   So, it's a very simple iPhone game that I downloaded a few months ago.

01:08:09   And it's a game where you have to throw a basketball into the name "The Basket".

01:08:17   I don't even know, I don't watch sports.

01:08:18   The Hoop?

01:08:19   The Hoop, yes.

01:08:20   Or The Basket.

01:08:21   The Basket also works.

01:08:22   Yeah, okay.

01:08:23   The Brin.

01:08:24   So you have to throw a ball in there, and there's a bunch of obstacles in each level,

01:08:30   Like spikes or... what's the name of the bouncy things that change your trajectory?

01:08:37   Bouncers?

01:08:38   I don't know.

01:08:39   You know when you play with the flipper, there's like...

01:08:43   The pinball?

01:08:44   No.

01:08:45   A bumper.

01:08:46   A bumper.

01:08:47   A bumper.

01:08:48   And there's bumpers, spikes, and you have to time your tapping on the screen because

01:08:52   the hoop is moving sometimes.

01:08:55   And there's a lot of modes.

01:08:57   So you can play instead of the traditional basketball stage, you can have like you throw

01:09:03   food into an actual basket or there's like themed levels with the, I think Star Wars

01:09:10   is even a level, but I play with the basic free traditional level and I play almost every

01:09:18   day just to relax.

01:09:20   Like sort of like Myke plays threes.

01:09:23   I play the basic mode over and over, trying to beat my high score, which is... shame on

01:09:29   me but it's very low, and I think I even suck at this game, you know? But I just keep playing

01:09:34   it. Actually, now that I think about it, I suck at this game. I'm terrible.

01:09:38   This is like me with 3s, right? Like, of everybody that I know that plays 3s, like, as much as

01:09:42   I do, I have the lowest high score, but I don't care.

01:09:46   No, me neither. I don't care. And every time I play, I realise that I'm terrible, I'm awful,

01:09:51   And this game is charitable with me, but I just keep playing because when you tap the

01:09:55   screen and you see the little basketball falling down, it's fun.

01:09:59   So yeah, I mean, it's not a very professional game review, there's a lot of modes I haven't

01:10:04   tried, there's enough purchases you can unlock, it's fun.

01:10:09   It's a fun game.

01:10:11   Don't take my advice, go to the App Store and check it out.

01:10:14   My last pick is going to be an obvious one, it's Pigment, the iOS coloring app.

01:10:19   I have been doing less of this recently but it's still the best iOS colouring app that

01:10:24   you can buy. If you're looking for this type of experience, I've tried all of the popular

01:10:28   ones and none of them are even close to Pigment. I've also seen that they're working on a redesign

01:10:35   of some of their stuff and it looks fantastic and I'm very pleased that more work is going

01:10:39   into this app. I thought that Picsite were going out of business, maybe I misunderstood

01:10:44   that Verge profile that they did but they're clearly not and I'm very pleased

01:10:50   to see that they're continuing work on Pigment because it is a

01:10:54   fantastic app and I think if you are at all interested in the coloring thing and

01:11:00   you have an Apple pencil as well specifically because it works the best

01:11:04   there then I would recommend trying it out because nothing else even comes

01:11:08   close to it. And it's fun. It's fun to do. Nice and relaxing.

01:11:14   I do have one final pick, if Steven doesn't have one anymore.

01:11:18   Okay. I just have an observation, so you go ahead.

01:11:22   Please save the observation for the end.

01:11:23   Oh, no, I think it's a little thing we all realized at the end, so you go ahead.

01:11:27   Yes, yes. I'm not sure how to pronounce this. Is it Narwhal?

01:11:31   Yeah, Narwhal, yeah.

01:11:33   a Reddit client. I'm what you would call a Reddit lurker, which is I don't engage

01:11:41   with a lot of posts. I do have an account, and I think I've left like one or two comments

01:11:48   publicly. I upvote stuff occasionally, but I just browse Reddit a lot. I'm subscribed

01:11:55   to the Workflow Reddit, to the Spotify Reddit, which is a great place to discover playlists

01:12:01   from other people by the way. And I just browse the front page, I browse pictures of dogs

01:12:07   because I love dogs, and Narwhal makes it easy, you know, it's a good iOS citizen. It

01:12:14   supports Safari View Controller, it's got a dark theme, it supports sharing extensions,

01:12:22   split screen on the iPad, in fact I do use Narwhal on the iPhone and the iPad, and it's

01:12:29   It's very stable, never crashes on me.

01:12:32   Fast, looks great on the iPad Pro, looks great on the iPhone.

01:12:36   So every day I spend like 20 minutes browsing Reddit.

01:12:39   It's always fun to come across a Spotify playlist or a workflow comment thread that I'm interested

01:12:46   into or just a funny dog gif that I then share with my girlfriend on Telegram.

01:12:53   So yeah, Gnar Wall.

01:12:54   And it's also made by a great guy, so, you know.

01:12:57   I use and love narwhal. The reason I didn't pick it is because it's a work thing for me.

01:13:03   The only reddit that I subscribe to is the CGP Grey subreddit because that's where there's

01:13:09   a lot of conversation about cortex. So I might even subscribe to the front page. When I open

01:13:14   reddit all I see is Grey's subreddit because I'm not really big into reddit really, like

01:13:18   I just don't really have time for another place. But I really love it and Idina, my

01:13:24   partner who was just on an episode of analog with me actually which was a lot

01:13:28   of fun if you're at all interested in hearing me and my better half have a

01:13:33   conversation you should go and listen to that one it was fun I listened she has a

01:13:38   great accent she does right she actually almost doesn't have an accent it's just

01:13:43   you know great English I was uh I was surprised you know her accent is very

01:13:49   strong but she's really yes it's very strong maybe I don't know why you don't

01:13:53   hear it but it's a strong accent but it's a great one. I like it a lot. And her attempts

01:13:59   at doing an English accent are hilarious to me. So you can go and listen to that. But

01:14:05   anyway, she uses Narwhal and she is a big Reddit person and she was so happy when I

01:14:09   introduced her to this app. She was using Alien Blue before, which Alien Blue is a disaster

01:14:15   of design, or at least it was. That thing used to break my brain. Like when you'd press

01:14:20   a button and then like 65 buttons would appear in a diagonal view like what are you doing?

01:14:26   That app I think is now dead right it's been replaced by a redesigned Reddit app.

01:14:30   Yes and they gave all customers I think three months of Reddit gold.

01:14:36   Because it was a pay for app but yes for me Narwhal is the only place to go.

01:14:41   Love that application.

01:14:42   Yeah.

01:14:43   So Steven make your observation which is true for all of us I think.

01:14:46   Yeah so for me that and coming up with this list was the realization that it's really

01:14:53   hard for me to separate on my devices and even on my Mac work and personal stuff.

01:15:03   So the apps that I mentioned most of them are personal use but obviously some are a

01:15:08   mix of both and it's the idea that you know these devices at least for me don't have a

01:15:14   big like boundaries like they used to. When I had a job I used the Gmail app

01:15:19   for work email to keep it separate from everything else and now that's not as

01:15:22   important to me. And it sort of was part of a bigger idea that like all I do is

01:15:28   work. Like this really something that I'm thinking a lot about right now is how

01:15:32   much time I spend working but it's not a complaint I love what I do but well but

01:15:37   this is the thing that our working is also a lot of up we're getting very deep

01:15:43   here now is what a lot of people do for enjoyment. So a lot of the things that

01:15:48   that lion is blurred now, right? So things like Slack, things like Twitter, things

01:15:54   like RSS readers, they used to be all of the things that we enjoyed to just do as

01:16:00   a hobby but now they have become pivotal parts of our work and that's where the

01:16:05   lions start to get blurred. But it can't be something that we complain too much

01:16:09   much about because we're in very privileged positions. But I completely understand what

01:16:14   Steven is saying because I was looking at this device and I was like, there are so many

01:16:18   things here that cross over into the work boundary.

01:16:22   Yeah, I mean, if I'm talking to Myke over Telegram about some Apple news, is that work

01:16:28   or is that just hanging out with a friend and chatting about our common interests? I

01:16:33   don't know. So...

01:16:35   Yeah, and I agree with you, Myke. It's a super first world problem.

01:16:42   It is the firstest of all first world problems.

01:16:45   But it is an interesting commentary just on self-employment in general. I know we're getting

01:16:50   all cortex and analogies for a second, but these devices, the idea, the conversations

01:16:58   going on, is the phone an extension of your brain? I truly believe that it is, because

01:17:04   Because the phone doesn't see the boundaries in my life the way that I do, right?

01:17:10   That it sees work and family and kids and house and everything else as like one big

01:17:18   collection of emails and text and images and everything else, right?

01:17:23   There's no, very rarely for me at least, there are no clear boundaries between those things.

01:17:28   And so the way that I think about them really in a way is completely artificial, that the

01:17:33   technology doesn't care right like mail.app doesn't know like which of my

01:17:38   mail accounts is work and which ones personal which one I should care about

01:17:40   any given time and I don't know just it's an interesting thought process to

01:17:44   go through but what I what I really like about especially my iPhone is that it

01:17:53   kind of doesn't matter because it can do all these things really well and I can I

01:17:57   I can switch contexts very quickly and work very fluidly,

01:18:02   no matter where I am.

01:18:05   And like you guys with the iPad,

01:18:08   I don't look at anything that I can't do on my phone,

01:18:11   because even now that I work at home most days,

01:18:14   there are days like today that I'm not gonna be home all day

01:18:17   and I need to get my job done on my phone.

01:18:20   And I'm actually in the middle of a,

01:18:24   I've got a Samsung the s7 edge on my desk and I'm kind of working on review of slowly

01:18:28   and like that's always a sticking point for me is that as much as I like that

01:18:34   hardware for the most part and as good as Android has gotten I still have

01:18:38   certain things that I'm locked into iOS because of the the apps that I use and

01:18:42   and for me it's like kind of a no-brainer like I can't switch to

01:18:45   Android because there are things that are so critical in my workflow I don't

01:18:49   want to change and so I don't know just this is this big conversation of like

01:18:53   where did devices stop and start and when where does work and personal life

01:18:58   stop and start and so I don't know it was actually kind of hard for me to find

01:19:03   however many I said five or six things that were sort of purely personal use

01:19:10   like like the reddit app for you Myke that you and Federico use it differently

01:19:15   and I'm somewhere in between I do a little bit of work on there with 512 and

01:19:18   the Apple and Vintage Apple communities, but then I also just peruse Reddit because it's

01:19:23   fun. And so it's all kind of messy in there right now for me.

01:19:29   Yeah, it's... I wouldn't say it's a problem for me, but it's sort of something I'm coming

01:19:37   to terms with. Like, if I listen to some music and I listen for myself, but then the people

01:19:44   who follow me, and I'm trying not to sound like a pretentious snob here, but if people

01:19:49   who follow me ask me to write about some of the music that I listen to, and I've done

01:19:54   that in our newsletter, am I listening to music for work, or is it just, you know, a

01:20:01   byproduct of the fact that, at this point, some folks follow me and us with the Maxories

01:20:10   Steam, not necessarily because of Apple News or apps, but just because they feel like following

01:20:18   a friend, if it makes any sense. And so is that work for me? Is it watching a movie and

01:20:24   then talking about it just casually in a newsletter or in a podcast? Is it playing video games?

01:20:30   My part of work is in my job? I don't know. It's odd, but I feel super lucky that I'm

01:20:37   this position. Like I try not to see it as a problem, I try to see it as a huge privilege,

01:20:42   and the fact that there's people who listen to what we say, even if it's not necessarily

01:20:48   and strictly about Apple News or technology, that's super amazing to me. So it's odd to

01:20:56   have this kind of balance, and it can get tricky sometimes when you're like trying to

01:21:01   hang out with friends in real life, and then there's people on the internet who message

01:21:07   you, but you know, there's worse stuff in life to worry about than work stuff bleeding

01:21:14   into real life and real life sort of becoming strange. So at the end of the day, whatever

01:21:21   is my slogan. So yeah, I'm trying to go with the flow here, guys. Try not to worry about

01:21:27   it too much. I don't know if it makes any sense.

01:21:30   Well that took a turn.

01:21:31   Yeah, yeah, but I'm in a good mood, you know, this is awesome to me, this is amazing.

01:21:37   So I want to leave you on an uplifting note to tell you that I'm very happy about our

01:21:43   current situation.

01:21:45   I'm happy about my life, Myke and Steven.

01:21:46   That's good to know.

01:21:47   I think we all are.

01:21:48   I think we all are.

01:21:49   We're very lucky.

01:21:50   And we are in this position because of all the fantastic people out there that listen

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01:22:52   Arrivederci. Adios.