80: I'm Like a Butterfly


00:00:00   [Music]

00:00:05   From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 80.

00:00:10   Today's show is brought to you by Braintree and Peacock.

00:00:14   My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Mr Federico Vittucci.

00:00:18   Good morning Federico.

00:00:19   Good morning Mr Myke Hurley.

00:00:21   And good evening Mr Steven Hackett.

00:00:24   I think you have that backwards.

00:00:25   Ah, damn it.

00:00:26   Yeah, kinda.

00:00:27   I think it's morning for Steven and evening for me, Myke,

00:00:29   but, you know, time zones what you're gonna do.

00:00:32   Well, you know, I'm just treating you...

00:00:33   People could be listening at any time, you know?

00:00:36   You're right, yeah.

00:00:37   So I was trying to give the illusion of there being no fixed time.

00:00:41   Yeah, wanna give me a good night, Myke?

00:00:43   I mean, if you're paying.

00:00:47   What?

00:00:47   Okay, let's move to follow up.

00:00:53   Steven, what is an 80th anniversary?

00:00:55   What do we give for an 80th?

00:00:58   Oh, we have to look it up.

00:00:59   Guess we never do this in advance. 80th anniversary. My bet is on some type of, I don't know.

00:01:11   I'm gonna say Ruby or something. Ruby, no I'm gonna say Sapphire. Okay. Okay. Because of Pokemon.

00:01:17   I'm trying to find the site we always use for this. There's a site we always go to?

00:01:23   It's usually pretty high in the results, but this is on ask.com so it's probably right.

00:01:28   Traditionally, oak, the wood, is used in place of gems or precious metals because the oak

00:01:35   tree takes a long period of time and commitment to reach full maturity.

00:01:42   Like Professor Oak.

00:01:43   I was thinking that.

00:01:45   Yes, but in no way is that the same thing.

00:01:49   So congratulations guys, I got you this oak tree.

00:01:52   Thank you. Thank you guys. Anyways, we should talk about our follow-up.

00:02:02   We've been speaking now for several weeks about iOS app release notes and the follow-up

00:02:09   last week brought up this idea that big companies, some reasons big companies may use what we

00:02:17   will call vague release notes. And several people wrote in, I'm going to give Matthew

00:02:22   the credit because I think he put it the most clearly in his email saying that

00:02:26   companies like Twitter and Facebook use feature flags to enable new functionality

00:02:30   in a rollout. So we see this in the Twitter client pretty often where

00:02:33   they'll enable like video upload or something to a small subset of users and

00:02:38   they're not doing it through a new app release but what they do is they have

00:02:41   that functionality built in, they release it over to the app and then through

00:02:46   feature flags they basically turn it on as they wish. And they also use

00:02:51   Twitter especially uses a lot of A/B testing in their app which I think is a

00:02:55   little I think they're turning it back now a little bit I think it was pretty

00:02:59   out of control for a while there. So in this particular instance it would be

00:03:06   misleading right to say oh this update includes video uploads well if you're

00:03:12   only rolling that out to a subset of users at a time you can't put it in your

00:03:15   release notes right are people going to be leaving you bad reviews are we

00:03:17   be conducting on support saying, "Hey, I don't have this thing that you promised me in the

00:03:21   release notes."

00:03:23   So I can see this.

00:03:24   I can see this being a reason to be a little vague in your release notes.

00:03:28   Now I, like I said, particularly think Twitter, especially, has been guilty of overdoing this

00:03:34   sort of thing in the past, but I think it's a relatively reasonable reason to have vague

00:03:40   release notes.

00:03:41   Federico, I was particularly interested in what you thought about this.

00:03:46   I'm always annoyed when I see this company saying that they do staged rollouts of new

00:03:51   features. I understand why. Like, when you're a company like Facebook and you have, I don't

00:03:57   know how many billions of users, probably one billion. I mean, I can understand the

00:04:02   problems with rolling out a feature to, you know, a billion people at once. It's just

00:04:07   very poorly communicated on the App Store. Like, there's a contrast between going to

00:04:14   the App Store and seeing every week "we make the app better for everyone" you know?

00:04:19   And then you go on the Verge and you see Facebook is launching reactions.

00:04:24   You're like "okay, so it must be on the update that I just downloaded but it's not".

00:04:28   So it's a little confusing and I mean I understand why they do this, I just wish you know, just

00:04:34   write your release notes better.

00:04:36   At least inform people, you know, in a couple of weeks you're going to see this.

00:04:40   I mean I don't have to go on the verge to read about this stuff early, I don't know.

00:04:45   Maybe people don't care.

00:04:46   Maybe people don't care at all.

00:04:47   I don't know.

00:04:49   I mean that's the flip side of this, right?

00:04:53   This sort of misleading of, you know, A/B testing and everything that maybe it wouldn't

00:04:59   be a big deal because people don't read release notes.

00:05:02   And especially now, when did it start?

00:05:04   Did it start with iOS 8, the automatic app update?

00:05:07   I think there's a lot of times where people don't even know their app got updated, right?

00:05:12   So the whole conversation can be sort of underpinned with the idea that maybe fewer and fewer people

00:05:18   actually see these things.

00:05:19   But it's still, I thought it was an interesting point brought up by Matthew.

00:05:25   Up next in the follow-up, Thomas asked me if I had tried the Pebble Time Round.

00:05:34   Thomas's argument is that it looks like a normal watch at a glance, which is something

00:05:38   that I like about the Wything's watch that I'm wearing, and that it's fast and focused,

00:05:43   which is a subtle, sick Apple watch burn.

00:05:46   And I have not looked at the Pebble Time Round.

00:05:51   I backed Pebble, their original Kickstarter back in, what was it, 2012 or something, and

00:05:56   it was fine.

00:05:58   The original Pebble I think was ahead of its time.

00:06:00   I particularly don't like the look of the Pebble Time Round.

00:06:06   And the Pebble has the same core problem I had with the Apple watches, that glanceable

00:06:11   information just isn't that important to me in my life anymore.

00:06:17   And really what I like is something that looks nice in my estimation, and I like the step

00:06:21   counting.

00:06:22   So I think the Pebble Time Round is an interesting product.

00:06:25   I think Pebble probably long term has some issues but you know I think it is worth mentioning

00:06:31   as an alternative if the Apple Watch specifically isn't for you but you do want you know say

00:06:35   some notifications or a couple other things coming to your wrist.

00:06:40   Don't like look at that one. The bezel's huge like it's huge and it's really obvious in

00:06:47   its hugeness. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of that one in all honesty.

00:06:54   It doesn't look good.

00:06:56   - Yeah, it's not their best looking product.

00:06:59   No.

00:07:00   So we're gonna talk a little bit about Siri

00:07:03   later on in the show, but I did wanna touch base

00:07:07   on the Amazon Echo.

00:07:10   Last time we've added one to our household

00:07:13   and it's really taken off.

00:07:14   I gauge how my family members use things

00:07:18   as sort of like a, most nerds do this, right?

00:07:20   We experiment on our loved ones who are normals

00:07:22   and so far the Echo has made a pretty good dent.

00:07:27   I will say that our kids have heard us talking to it

00:07:30   and now tried to make it do funny things

00:07:32   or like try to like talk to it

00:07:34   and of course most of the time they're just talking

00:07:37   silliness so it just kinda blinks at them

00:07:38   but I find it sort of adorable that my kids

00:07:42   tried to make Alexa do things.

00:07:44   And Federico, you've put Alexa to work with time zones,

00:07:48   right?

00:07:49   Yeah, and a lot of people corrected me on Twitter, because people love to correct you.

00:07:55   So I was just working, and I needed to do a quick time zone conversion. And I'm sorry

00:08:00   guy who said on Twitter that I should have done the calculation in my head, but apparently

00:08:04   I'm stupid. I just, you know, I wanted a computer to help me. So I was like, you know, I should

00:08:12   just ask Alexa?" And I was like, "Alexa, what's, like, I think 5pm Pacific time in

00:08:20   Rome, Italy?" And in one second, Alexa replied, "It's like 2am in Rome or something."

00:08:29   And that was great, because I didn't think about formatting my question in any specific

00:08:34   way, and just out of curiosity, I asked Siri the same question, and initially I didn't

00:08:40   Then later it did understand the question

00:08:42   I still don't know whether it's been fixed in those couple of hours or maybe if it's just the way that it

00:08:49   Interprets the verb. I don't know. Anyway, I

00:08:53   Think if you say what's it's you get an error if you say what is it works?

00:09:00   But apparently it always works if you say convert, okay, let's try it shall we okay try it

00:09:09   What is 7 p.m. Pacific time in Rome? Okay, so it's taken that in.

00:09:18   Checking my sources.

00:09:19   There we go.

00:09:20   Checking my sources.

00:09:21   I found this.

00:09:22   Alright, so the result is 4 a.m. CET.

00:09:28   See the amount of time that it takes to check your sources and to show you the response

00:09:34   on screen, Alexei in one second spoke the answer back to me.

00:09:38   Here's the thing, here's my issue with this, is it's using Wolfram Alpha. This is a relatively

00:09:43   simple question. Siri should be giving me that answer in voice. That's, in my opinion,

00:09:51   what it should be doing, rather than showing me it on screen. Let's try it the other way.

00:09:58   What's 7pm Pacific time in Rome?

00:10:02   It's Tuesday, the 1st of March 2016 in Rome.

00:10:07   Yeah it's Tuesday.

00:10:08   I don't understand how you... because you know what it heard that time?

00:10:11   The same question, what is 7 p.m.?

00:10:14   Which is what I asked the first time, but because I said "what's" it tells me the date.

00:10:18   Yeah.

00:10:19   I don't even understand how that question could give the answer of the date.

00:10:25   I have no idea.

00:10:27   I've had this issue with Siri in regards to time zone conversion a bunch of times,

00:10:34   I do it quite a lot and I really just fail to understand how that isn't an

00:10:40   answer like an answer that Apple were coding in, you know, and making part of

00:10:43   the UI like they do some other things rather than making it beatbox for me.

00:10:47   That's fantastic but why don't you actually give me the functionality that

00:10:51   I'm looking for. And it's not like they've got to go build it, right? I mean

00:10:54   they have... this is one of the things that's really frustrating to me about all of this

00:10:58   that the phone iOS does this in the clock app like it's it's not like they

00:11:04   have to go build some system to like calculate time they already have it like

00:11:07   why not tap into what's already part of iOS they have a world clock yeah yes

00:11:12   they even stole the design for somebody like just go use it it's not hard

00:11:17   anyways Myke you bought a phone yeah see what was all you guys are going out and

00:11:22   buying echoes. I march to the beat of my own drum and I buy what I want to buy because

00:11:29   I don't join the Amazon cult. No one is forcing you, why are you making these at the

00:11:35   base? You guys, I would ask people to go and listen to last week's episode. I'm sure

00:11:40   at some point you both were trying to convince me to get an echo. So you don't want this

00:11:45   one I bought you as a gift? Wow Myke you have a dear friend buying you Amazon

00:11:54   speakers and you refuse to accept a gift wow well done anyway you bought an

00:11:58   Android phone. Did you really buy me one or are you just trying to make me feel bad? I'm just trolling you.

00:12:02   Yeah I have been wanting to get a new Android device for a while the previous

00:12:11   Nexus device that I had got lost somewhere in Australia, not by me, and I've decided

00:12:19   that I wanted to go ahead and get one of the better phones.

00:12:25   I could have gone for a 5x, but I've heard complaints about the 5x from a performance

00:12:31   perspective and I basically wanted this for a couple of reasons.

00:12:34   I wanted to have a good understanding of what Android is like now.

00:12:37   I like to try and keep up with what's happening.

00:12:40   And also I wanted to have a device that was ready

00:12:43   to try and test some of Google's podcast store thing

00:12:46   that they have launching at some point.

00:12:48   Because I have Apple devices to test

00:12:50   what our shows look like there.

00:12:51   And if we go into the Google store,

00:12:53   I wanna see what that's like there as well.

00:12:56   So I decided that the time was right

00:12:59   and I went ahead and purchased a Nexus 6P.

00:13:02   I have not really had enough time

00:13:04   to play around with the device yet.

00:13:08   I'm very impressed with everything that I have tried.

00:13:11   One of, kind of two observations that I have,

00:13:15   the Nexus 6P's hardware is great,

00:13:18   including the fingerprint sensor on the back.

00:13:20   I actually think that that is an ingenious design

00:13:23   and it's a real interesting place

00:13:25   to put a fingerprint sensor.

00:13:28   It feels like a very natural place to have it.

00:13:31   My other observation is that material design on Android features a lot of the whimsy that I think is lost in iOS now.

00:13:43   Come at me haters!

00:13:46   Like a lot of the animations and shadows, that kind of stuff?

00:13:49   Animations, shadows, and just general design things that feel superfluous but go to making a nice experience.

00:14:00   I don't think we have a lot of that anymore in iOS.

00:14:03   It's there in places, but overall I think that material design is doing a better job

00:14:09   of animations and things like that than iOS is right now.

00:14:14   Yeah, it's really nice and I like what you said about the fingerprint reader.

00:14:18   I have the little sibling of this, the Nexus 5X.

00:14:22   Because I like you, it's helpful for me at work to have an Android device around.

00:14:29   people like us who aren't going to

00:14:30   necessarily switch to it but kind of need to

00:14:32   keep up with the Nexus phones or the

00:14:33   the obvious choice. And I really like the

00:14:36   fingerprint reader on the back. I don't

00:14:38   know about the 6P but on the 5X it's

00:14:40   basically exactly where my finger would

00:14:42   be anyways and it's just really nice and

00:14:45   you know the 6P is definitely nicer

00:14:47   built than the 5X but if you're looking

00:14:50   for a stock Android experience it's

00:14:53   really the I think that the probably the

00:14:55   6P is the best phone on the market for it.

00:14:57   And it does, the fingerprint reader does something that I wish the iPhone did.

00:15:02   It unlocks the phone without you needing to turn the screen on.

00:15:07   So you press your finger on the reader and the phone unlocks.

00:15:10   Which feels, as soon as it happened, I was like, this is what it should be like.

00:15:16   That feels like, it feels better.

00:15:17   It's amazing how much faster it feels.

00:15:19   It's like, even the 5x, which is, you know, it's not a super high-end phone.

00:15:24   It feels like it unlocks so much faster than my 6S Plus because you're just skipping that

00:15:28   little step.

00:15:29   Yeah, the fingerprint reader itself I don't think is faster, but the fact that you don't

00:15:34   need to do that step makes it feel that way.

00:15:37   Sometimes that's all it takes.

00:15:39   Exactly.

00:15:40   So I want to spend more time with it and I'll have some more thoughts about this device

00:15:45   that I'll share somewhere a little later on.

00:15:49   Right now it's here and it's doing stuff.

00:15:54   What happens, Myke, if you end up liking Android, or at least the modern Android a lot better

00:15:59   than iOS?

00:16:00   There was a time where that was the case for me.

00:16:03   I switched to Android a couple of years ago for like six months or something like that.

00:16:06   I think I remember that, yeah.

00:16:10   I know I'm in a problem right now, because I thought about it.

00:16:13   I thought about like, what would it be like to maybe switch to Android again for a few

00:16:18   months to really kind of understand it.

00:16:22   But the problem is the tablet situation.

00:16:26   There are no really good Android tablets.

00:16:30   Even Google's new one is suffering from a lack of tablet innovation in the software

00:16:35   side.

00:16:36   Like, you know, now I'm so used to split screen, like you can't do split screen apps in the

00:16:40   current version of Android.

00:16:42   So it would be difficult, let alone expensive, for me to make that switch now.

00:16:48   But I won't rule anything out.

00:16:50   I want to spend more time with it.

00:16:52   At some point maybe after I've finished with this little bit of traveling I'm about to

00:16:56   start doing, I might throw my sim in the 6p for a bit and just see how it rolls.

00:17:01   Maybe if you use online services instead of local apps with no sync, the transition between

00:17:08   an iPad Pro and a 6p would be actually possible.

00:17:12   You know, Slack, Twitter, email, those are on both platforms.

00:17:15   It is getting easier and easier to make those moves.

00:17:19   It really is.

00:17:20   It's gonna be a problem with Apple Notes, you know, if you don't use Safari so you don't

00:17:25   have the Safari problem.

00:17:26   I think it's more possible today than ever, with the exception for a few Apple apps.

00:17:31   But you can replace them.

00:17:33   You can replace them, I mean, instead of Apple Notes you could use, uh, oh, wow, what can

00:17:37   you use, Evernote?

00:17:38   I guess I could use Evernote.

00:17:40   There will be Android note-taking apps that we don't know.

00:17:44   But they will exist.

00:17:45   For sure.

00:17:46   thinking about having the same notes on your iPad Pro and the 6P.

00:17:51   Yeah, if I wanted the same, then I would move to something like E

00:18:03   There might even be a weird app that will let me sync my notes.

00:18:09   There are weird Android apps that I've used that let you sync contacts and calendars with

00:18:13   iCloud.

00:18:15   I don't want to know how it's doing it, but I've used them.

00:18:20   So I'll dig around.

00:18:21   But yeah, this will be a discussion for a later show, I think.

00:18:25   Before we move out of follow-up, we have some...

00:18:28   We need a new word for this.

00:18:29   We have follow-up, we have follow-out, we have follow-in.

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00:18:38   This can be...

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00:21:53   So for topic zero this week I wanted to talk about the Mac Mini real quick. This sort of

00:22:00   spurred on from an article by Brian over at Mac Mini Colo. It's basically saying

00:22:05   that if you have a certain generation of Mac Mini like mid 2010, 2011, 2012 that

00:22:10   sort of era of machine that is actually really affordable to to upgrade those

00:22:15   computers now. So the current Mac Mini you can go by today it does not have a

00:22:21   quad-core model at the top these these older ones did and the lack of upgrade

00:22:25   abilities and you can't upgrade the RAM and the new ones you can kind of do the

00:22:28   drives but only sort of which is really frustrating to me but I you know we

00:22:35   talked about the Mac Mini a long time ago in context of you know Federico

00:22:39   maybe needing to replace this MacBook Air at some point as we talked about a

00:22:43   lot you can't. Podcast currently on iOS and so you're using a MacBook Air for

00:22:47   that that is seeing better days we'll leave it at that. Have you thought any

00:22:53   more about replacing with a Mac Mini do you still think that's a good fit or

00:22:56   you're just holding on as long as you can.

00:22:58   - You know the Death Cab for Cutie song?

00:23:02   The line when it says, "Love is watching someone die?"

00:23:05   That's my relationship with my MacBook Air.

00:23:08   So.

00:23:10   - Oh, that's a super sad song, so thanks for that.

00:23:13   (laughing)

00:23:15   So, I use,

00:23:18   I've got several Mac mandates,

00:23:22   I have this outlined in my article.

00:23:23   We have one that if you're listening live

00:23:25   right now you're listening through a Mac Mini that's hosted a Mac Mini colo. We have

00:23:30   one I've got a personal one there as well for some backups and some server

00:23:34   stuff that I play with and then we have one at home that serves up iTunes

00:23:39   library and a big file volume and then it's hooked up to our television as well

00:23:43   for occasional stuff we can't do through the Apple TV. The Mac Mini is just on HDMI

00:23:47   number two and they're great machines and all mine are older that I don't have

00:23:53   any of the current ones. I've got like 2011's and I think one 2012 machine in my

00:23:57   little Mac Mini army and they really are great. The one at home I've got SSD in

00:24:02   and you can't tell the machines five years old. It really is pretty

00:24:09   spectacular and for me you know it's it's an interesting commentary on like

00:24:16   how good computers are now like that you can have a Mac Mini from 2011 which you

00:24:21   know maybe you spent $800 on you know

00:24:23   it's not a Mac Pro it's not iMac it's a

00:24:25   Mac Mini and if you bought it well

00:24:28   specced or if you upgrade it it's still

00:24:30   perfectly fine for what most people need

00:24:32   out of their computer most of the time

00:24:34   and I wonder if this migration to you

00:24:40   know RAM that's soldered on like that

00:24:42   take the retina MacBook Pro you can't do

00:24:44   anything in that machine you can't do

00:24:45   anything in a MacBook Air it's all part

00:24:46   of the logic board and even though the

00:24:51   air I think the air does have an SSD you can swap out it's a custom part it's

00:24:54   hard to get it's expensive and I just wonder that if you know this means that

00:24:58   max will last shorter amounts of time in the future because you can't upgrade or

00:25:03   if if the computers we can buy today are so good that as long as you buy it while

00:25:07   spec'd you know it'll last just as long and you know I know that I can go a lot

00:25:13   longer between upgrading computers and I have family members who are using

00:25:16   computers that are older and older and they're fine and they just keep on

00:25:20   running and I think that's an interesting parallel conversation to what we're talking

00:25:25   about with the iPad. The iPad has been so good for so long that people just don't

00:25:30   see the need to upgrade to new hardware. There's an interesting article that Brian wrote up

00:25:36   about grand prices and stuff and I kind of kicked off this whole train of thought in

00:25:40   my head.

00:25:41   So I don't follow Max, you know, the OS 10 in particular anymore, but I just wonder,

00:25:48   and this is maybe going to sound controversial to a lot of people, but is the era of, you

00:25:55   know, taking a peek under the hood of a computer and upgrading components over? And I mean

00:26:02   this in the sense that, at least I and other friends and people that I know, I see people,

00:26:12   they buy computers, and most of them don't care, you know, about "Is this a computer

00:26:17   that I'm going to be able to upgrade RAM or change the SSD for something better?" And

00:26:24   in the same sense, you know, that used to be a must, if you will, to know how a car

00:26:31   worked to know what an engine was like, to know what you were supposed to do if a car broke down.

00:26:37   And I would argue that most young people who drive or buy cars today, when the car breaks down,

00:26:44   they just call a number and they don't know how to fix it. I mean, personally, I don't even know how to change a tire.

00:26:51   Like, if a tire breaks, I'm gonna call, you know, the emergency number.

00:26:56   And you could argue that I'm stupid and that, you know, I shouldn't know better,

00:26:59   But it's just I don't want to know how this stuff works, I don't need to know how this mechanical stuff works with my car.

00:27:07   I could make the same argument with a computer. So for people like Steven, it's going to be problematic when a Mac Mini can no longer be upgraded.

00:27:16   But for most people, as long as you're like "I need a computer, I go to the store, I need a box that I need to connect to a monitor or I need to buy a laptop."

00:27:26   I don't care about, you know, am I going to be able to change the RAM in the future?

00:27:30   Just give me a computer.

00:27:31   I don't care.

00:27:32   And in this sense computers are becoming more and more like smartphones and tablets.

00:27:35   You just pick your configuration up front and you're good to go for the next few years.

00:27:40   Yeah, I think that is exactly what's happening.

00:27:44   And I think while it bugs people like me that overall for the general computing public that

00:27:51   it's good that computers have become not

00:27:54   only simpler but also much more reliable.

00:27:58   You know things like SSDs are much more

00:28:01   reliable than the spinning hard drives.

00:28:02   We've gotten rid of the optical drive. As

00:28:04   Apple has stripped away moving parts and

00:28:07   as processors have gotten better

00:28:08   computers are more reliable and more

00:28:13   current longer than ever. I think that's

00:28:15   good. I think that is that computers like

00:28:17   cars should be something that we can

00:28:20   depend on no matter what and that you know back in the day if you wanted to

00:28:25   own a car you had to know how to fiddle with it right that because in all

00:28:32   likelihood you at some point you were going to be broken down or at some point

00:28:35   you have to do something and as cars have gotten more reliable that's gone

00:28:38   away and while that does bother me I think overall it's great I really do so

00:28:47   So just quickly on the Mac Mini, I have one of these in a closet.

00:28:51   Right. One of the 2011 ones, I think it is a 2011 one, isn't it?

00:28:56   Like literally in a closet?

00:28:58   Yeah, it was what I was using before I moved to a Mac Pro.

00:29:01   OK. And then onto the iMac.

00:29:05   I have been thinking and we will talk about this later

00:29:08   about turning that into a home server.

00:29:11   You should do this.

00:29:12   I've been considering it.

00:29:15   Plex being one of the things that I'm looking for.

00:29:18   Yeah.

00:29:19   You could make your own Synology without actually having a Synology in a way.

00:29:23   You know?

00:29:24   Yep.

00:29:24   JSON does this, and I think it's an excellent choice, especially because, you know,

00:29:28   of course, OS X gives you more freedom,

00:29:31   there are some excellent apps to connect from iOS,

00:29:34   you know, like screens, file managers...

00:29:36   You should do it, Myke.

00:29:37   You should do it and go crazy. It's super fun.

00:29:39   Yeah, I'm planning on it.

00:29:41   it's just again it's like another big task that I don't want to do right now

00:29:45   but I'm gonna do it. I think it'll be fun.

00:29:49   Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you should. I mean there are TV Mac Mini like I said doubles as a

00:29:56   file server and I've got you know some scripting running on it all the time and

00:30:00   it's just it's nice to have something that's always available especially if

00:30:05   you have a lot of stuff that relies on things like Dropbox you know you

00:30:08   You know that's always synced one central place.

00:30:10   You can set your photos.

00:30:11   I mean, the possibilities are endless.

00:30:13   So it is nice.

00:30:14   The Mac Mini is definitely, that's a role that it fits for a lot of people.

00:30:19   And Apple's even done that for several years now.

00:30:22   They've offered a server configuration.

00:30:24   Sometimes it just means they put OS X server on it.

00:30:26   Sometimes it means it has a second hard drive or more RAM.

00:30:28   But whatever it is, they have pitched the Mac Mini to small businesses as a server product.

00:30:37   And there's a bunch of people who use them that way because they're silent and there's

00:30:42   no impact on your electrical bill to have it on 24/7 and it's, like I said, it's become

00:30:48   a machine that can last longer and longer as they've gotten more powerful.

00:30:51   So I think you should do it.

00:30:54   I'll let you know how it goes along and/or ask you to tell me what to do.

00:30:58   I could just come over and do it.

00:31:00   Yeah, you should do that.

00:31:01   Business trip.

00:31:04   So we're going to talk a little bit about Siri this week and this is sort of jumping

00:31:08   off a rumor that's been floating around that Mac OS X 10.12, which god, that naming's out

00:31:16   of control.

00:31:18   When me and Jason started talking about this on upgrade, I did that exact same thing.

00:31:24   I read 10.12 and was like, "Ugh, really?"

00:31:29   They gotta change it.

00:31:31   So I do like, just as a quick off topic, I do like a theory that I've seen from Graham,

00:31:38   you know, my friend at MacSorix.

00:31:40   He says, so this year they're gonna do OS 10, 10.12 and now OS 10, and next year they

00:31:49   could do iOS 11 and OS, Mac OS 11.

00:31:55   You know?

00:31:56   Yeah, tie them together.

00:31:57   Yeah.

00:31:58   There are many things that they could do, right?

00:32:01   Like this could be the time when they change it to Mac OS because they have

00:32:06   watch OS and TV OS.

00:32:08   But that one also makes sense, right? There are a bunch of little things now

00:32:12   which make sense and I think it's just based upon us all wanting that to change.

00:32:16   Yeah, and I couldn't imagine the marketing campaign next year, both iOS and Mac OS

00:32:20   go up to 11, you know?

00:32:22   Turn it to 11.

00:32:23   Turn it up to 11, that could be nice.

00:32:26   We'll see. Anyway.

00:32:27   Craig Federicki is not gonna let that joke go by unmade.

00:32:31   He just can't do it.

00:32:32   It's the most dad joke of all.

00:32:34   - He'll probably make it this year about next year

00:32:36   and then make it two times next year.

00:32:38   (laughing)

00:32:41   - So, I don't even know where we were.

00:32:42   So anyway, so Siri coming to the Mac.

00:32:44   Rumored to be maybe even a tent pole feature

00:32:49   and another in the long list of things that start on iOS

00:32:53   and the Mac just sort of gets later,

00:32:56   which is interesting topic in and of to itself but I kind of wanted to bypass that a little

00:33:02   bit and talk about Siri itself and Ed Cormany is a guy I follow on Twitter he does a couple

00:33:09   podcasts and he wrote this thing that I thought was really interesting about Siri fragmentation

00:33:14   I thought was an interesting way to start the conversation. So in this post he's talking

00:33:19   about using the Apple TV to watch.

00:33:24   I believe it was a tennis match

00:33:25   and he's asking Siri questions as he's watching

00:33:27   so he wants to know like the weather of where this match is

00:33:30   and then he wants to see the serve speeds.

00:33:35   They're reported in kilometers per hour on the broadcast

00:33:39   but he's American and wants to know

00:33:42   what it is in miles per hour

00:33:43   and he asks Siri on the Apple TV

00:33:47   Siri can't do the unit conversion. Now of course Siri can do that unit conversion

00:33:51   on iOS and it seems like Apple decided that oh well unit conversion is not something

00:33:56   we want people to do on the Apple TV or it'll never be an issue and it's never

00:34:02   going to come up so let's just remove it. And I just found that it's interesting

00:34:07   jumping off point that you know what could Siri do on the Mac and what I'm

00:34:15   afraid Apple would do is basically just port iOS Siri right that it does

00:34:18   everything that iOS Siri does and nothing nothing else. Well in reality I

00:34:23   think that Siri on OS X is the opportunity to expand what Siri can do

00:34:27   and and let Siri do things new and specifically for the Mac that don't make

00:34:33   sense on iOS and I think that would be I think that would be great I mean I do

00:34:38   think there should be some sort of base layer you know I think Siri should be

00:34:41   able to unit conversion wherever Siri is like that's just silly that it can't

00:34:45   do that on the TV but I think it would be nice to see Siri if it comes to the

00:34:51   Mac have some additional features. I think there should kind of be two layers

00:34:55   of Siri from a functionality perspective so there should be asking Siri a

00:35:03   question so asking Siri for information that layer should be the same everywhere

00:35:08   and then on top of that you have asking Siri to perform actions and then that

00:35:14   should be platform specific. Yeah that's a good point. It doesn't make sense to ask Siri

00:35:19   to find the most recent episode of Community on your iPhone, well it does make a lot more

00:35:24   sense on the Apple TV. Exactly. So I think what it seems like at the moment Apple are

00:35:29   doing is building a new instance of Siri on each device. Because Siri on the Apple TV

00:35:39   cannot currently even perform functions that it should be able to that an iPhone can do,

00:35:45   like playing a song from anywhere on the device. Now, if they're using the same Siri layer,

00:35:54   why should it not be able to do that? So it would appear to me that it seems like they're

00:35:58   kind of building it over and over again, for whatever reason you need to do something like

00:36:03   that. So I think it'd be really nice if they could just be like, "Right, this is what Siri

00:36:07   can do everywhere. We've got that locked down. This is asking questions, asking information,

00:36:12   asking news, and they need to build the appropriate UIs on each platform to deal with that. And

00:36:17   then they have the specific things. So like asking on iOS for it to launch a specific

00:36:23   application, asking it on the Mac to turn on brightness or something, you know, like

00:36:29   there should be these then functions that exist on each specific platform that are relatable

00:36:33   to the platforms that they're on.

00:36:35   I think the main point right now is that it's really time for Apple to open up third-party

00:36:41   integrations with Siri.

00:36:43   We're seeing this in other competing products.

00:36:47   The Amazon Echo, as probably the best or the richest assistant with third-party service

00:36:54   and app integrations.

00:36:56   Because today, SoundHound, you know, the Shazam-like service, opened up to the public the latest

00:37:03   Hound assistant, which has been in beta for Android, I think, for almost seven, eight

00:37:09   months, maybe. Now it's available on iOS, and they do some really impressive natural

00:37:15   language processing, so it supports a lot more conjunctions, you know, between sentences.

00:37:21   You can be a lot more specific when you ask hounds some questions.

00:37:25   And they do some integration with third party companies.

00:37:28   There's Uber integration, I believe there's something else also for maybe music?

00:37:34   I don't know.

00:37:35   It's probably richer on Android.

00:37:37   You may remember Hound from that video where people were asking what is a 1% interest rate

00:37:45   on a mortgage from a house bought in Toronto.

00:37:47   Would you remember that?

00:37:48   Yeah, it was a super complex query.

00:37:50   complex questions and it was just giving the answers. That was Hound.

00:37:54   Yeah, and I'm playing around with it. The more I use the Amazon Echo, the more I look

00:38:00   at Google Now, it's not an assistant, it just presents you with visual cards, but the idea

00:38:06   is the same. To integrate with third party apps and services, to show you information

00:38:11   from those apps in a more intelligent way, in a dashboard, that kind of presentation,

00:38:16   and to allow you to speak commands for third-party apps.

00:38:20   So I think it's really time for Apple to open up the Siri API.

00:38:23   It's been five years since we first had Siri on the iPhone 4S, and I guess it's starting

00:38:31   to feel a little old.

00:38:33   It's nice, you can ask Siri questions, and it's excellent for Apple Music, Messages,

00:38:39   Timers, that kind of native iOS stuff.

00:38:42   But it's more and more feeling like one of those things that Apple does just for themselves,

00:38:48   and other companies are doing much, much more.

00:38:52   And there's a huge undertaking here, to come up with an API to structure those integrations

00:39:00   in a way that makes sense for developers and for users.

00:39:04   Just think about it.

00:39:05   How are you going to ask Siri to create a new task?

00:39:07   You cannot say "create a new task" because it can get confusing with reminders and say

00:39:12   "omnifocus" on the same device. So you have to use "omnifocus" as a keyword to say "ok,

00:39:17   Siri, create a new task in omnifocus". That makes sense, but then you have to allow developers

00:39:22   to come up with a dictionary of keywords and commands, and you have to let developers localize

00:39:28   those commands in multiple languages. It's a huge challenge, but I believe that in order

00:39:33   to take Siri to the next level, it has to happen. And it's not just about launching

00:39:38   apps, right? Because a lot of people, when they think about the Siri API on iOS, they

00:39:43   imagine this kind of glorified URL scheme launcher, where you just ask Siri to do stuff,

00:39:50   and Siri takes you to the app to perform that activity. But it's not like that. When you're

00:39:54   thinking about the Siri API, what you really want is visual feedback in Siri also. When

00:40:00   When you create a reminder in Siri, it doesn't take you to the Reminders app, it shows you

00:40:04   a mini-Reminders interface in the Siri UI, and you want the same to be true for third-party

00:40:10   integrations. So you want, for example, to have a to-do or OmniFocus UI right inside

00:40:16   Siri, and you want the task that you create via Siri in OmniFocus to be shown to you in

00:40:22   the Siri interface, so you also have to enable developers to perform all kinds of updates

00:40:26   in the background when they receive new information from Siri. So at a technical level it's a very,

00:40:32   very huge change for developers. But it's one of those things that it's super tricky

00:40:37   to do, but it feels right. And maybe iOS 10 finally will be that kind of update to bring

00:40:47   better Siri intelligence. And I can make other two arguments to conclude. It would be fantastic

00:40:55   pro-accessibility, you know, to be able to speak to apps and to, you know, create content

00:41:01   or to access content from apps from an accessibility perspective, and it would be just a boom for

00:41:09   productivity and efficiency on the Apple Watch. To be able to interact with any apps via voice

00:41:15   on the Apple Watch would be just, you know, that's what needs to happen.

00:41:19   Yeah, whether they're on the Watch or not.

00:41:22   Yep.

00:41:23   I'm reminded of, I think it was iOS 4 with multitasking, right? Is that correct?

00:41:30   Yes, yes.

00:41:31   When they introduced multitasking originally, they were like, "There are five things you can do."

00:41:37   Right?

00:41:38   Yes.

00:41:39   Whatever those things were, I don't remember, like audio playback,

00:41:42   "There's five things you can do in the background."

00:41:44   I think it would be interesting to see something like that, or Apple,

00:41:47   or like there are these X amount of things that as a developer you can plug into with Siri,

00:41:52   and they are to do these things. Maybe it's like create a new entry of some description.

00:41:57   Like I'm thinking of like say it was a task management thing, you could say you can create a

00:42:03   task with this API blah blah blah. And then what I would really love to see then, which I don't

00:42:08   think Apple would ever do, would be for there to be a Siri menu and I choose the app that does each

00:42:14   thing, so for example I would say if I just say create a task, remember to get the milk out of the

00:42:22   fridge or whatever, that it would automatically go in OmniFocus because that's the application

00:42:27   that I have assigned the Siri Action Creator task. That's what I would love it to do but I don't see

00:42:34   that. You want the ability to set default apps for specific tasks and that's also another of those

00:42:40   long-standing feature requests. But I could also argue that if you look back at iOS 9

00:42:47   last year, and even iOS 8 with Handoff, the way that Apple likes to play the long game

00:42:54   in some cases, they come up with a feature that eventually is going to be used for a

00:42:58   whole other engine or functionality of iOS. And I could say that the NSUserActivity API,

00:43:04   the API that lets developers specify points of interest in their apps. It was used for

00:43:10   a handoff in iOS 8, so you could take, for example, a view in Reminders and open it from

00:43:18   an iPhone to the iPad. Or, in iOS 9, the same API was used to index points of interest in

00:43:23   an app, so you could search for, like, steps in the Spotlight page, and it takes you to

00:43:29   the Steps view of the Health app, or you can search for an article, and it takes you to

00:43:32   that article in your read later application of choice. The same API could be used to communicate

00:43:38   with Siri, you know, this year with iOS 10. Because Siri and because iOS knows those points

00:43:44   of interest from apps that supports the API, you could access information from those points

00:43:51   of interest. So you could say, "What's my latest article in Instapaper?" And it gives

00:43:55   you the article, do you want to read it or do you want to share it, you know. It's fun

00:44:02   to consider the existing APIs and the way that they could be updated to take advantage

00:44:08   of Siri. And for me this realization of it's really time to have a more intelligent Siri,

00:44:15   it was solidified by the Amazon Echo. Because it's really, you know, you can, of course

00:44:21   you can integrate with third-party services, but you can also install skills. So skills

00:44:26   on the Echo are special features from other services. There's a skill to match lyrics

00:44:35   from songs to the title of the song. And there's hundreds of skills that you can install, and

00:44:42   they make the Echo a lot smarter than other assistants. And it really feels like Apple

00:44:49   is falling behind in this regard.

00:44:52   Yeah, I mean you look at these other systems that are much more integrated, right?

00:44:56   Like even on Android with the Google Now stuff, it's come such a long way and they're iterating

00:45:02   so quickly on it, Siri feels so much slower.

00:45:05   And it's one of those things that, you know, it feels like they lock it into these iOS

00:45:10   releases and aren't introducing new things throughout the year.

00:45:16   And so much with what Google does, it's just little tweaks over time.

00:45:19   it's a very different approach to these

00:45:23   releases but I think something like

00:45:25   Sirius could, I don't think it is, I think it

00:45:27   could be so central to how iOS works and

00:45:31   operates and right now it just feels still so

00:45:34   many years on, it just feels like it's bolted on

00:45:37   and yeah it's nice when it works but

00:45:40   it's sort of strange a lot of the time

00:45:42   and you can do so much without it that

00:45:45   it really just feels like this layer

00:45:47   on top of iOS as opposed to this like

00:45:48   integrated thing that runs throughout it.

00:45:50   Yeah. Now just imagine if they do a Siri Beats speaker that is like an Amazon Echo, but for

00:45:58   Apple Music, Siri, and it listens to you around the house. Now would Apple ever do that, or

00:46:04   is that too creepy for Apple to do?

00:46:06   I don't think they're gonna make an Echo competitor.

00:46:09   Yeah. But it would be great. Just imagine that.

00:46:13   Because you know what they want, I know it doesn't work, but they want people just talking

00:46:17   talking into their watches?

00:46:19   Mmm, probably.

00:46:21   Because the watch is on you!

00:46:23   But music is not, you know, when you want to listen to music on a speaker.

00:46:28   I don't think they're gonna make it for that, but I mean, you know, I think it's worth remembering that the Echo's ability to play music is just like an afterthought of the fact that it's a speaker.

00:46:40   I don't think it was ever built to play music, it was built for you to talk to it.

00:46:44   Probably. Yeah, I guess. It was built to listen to you, really.

00:46:50   Yeah, and it plays music because it's a speaker.

00:46:53   It's like they're trying to sweeten the deal and make it less creepy by giving you music.

00:47:01   Yeah, that's the way I look at it. Amazon has a music thing, but they don't really do a lot with their music thing.

00:47:08   Probably, yeah. I mean, I guess it's just fun to imagine. I mean, because I want Apple

00:47:14   to be as convenient. Sometimes I want Apple to be as creepy as Google and Amazon. Allow

00:47:22   me the use of the word "creepy" in the sense that they know a lot about me and they can

00:47:27   be more intelligent about, you know, these smart features. But I know that it's not in

00:47:32   Apple's DNA or whatever to do that kind of stuff. I just wish sometimes it was like,

00:47:38   "It's okay, Apple, I want you to know this stuff about me, you know?"

00:47:42   "Let me provide this information, please."

00:47:45   "I'm willingly giving up my information, please do something with it and be useful."

00:47:50   "Here is a great example, and you've mentioned this before Federico, I was in Google Now

00:47:57   while setting up the Nexus 6P and it recognised that for me to get home it would take X amount

00:48:09   of time by public transport because I was always searching Google Maps via public transport.

00:48:18   The next day I had a time to leave notification because of traffic. I don't even have a car.

00:48:27   And Apple's system doesn't know I use public transport because it doesn't let me tell it.

00:48:38   And because it's not watching, it just tells me how to get to places by car.

00:48:45   I think this shows a massive difference in the systems.

00:48:49   I don't have a car, I'm never in a car, Google knows that, Apple doesn't.

00:48:52   Google knows that because they peek at me.

00:48:56   But that's useful to me, because then I'm not getting frustrated and looking around

00:49:00   different views to get that information.

00:49:02   Yeah, yeah.

00:49:03   I agree.

00:49:04   So get this.

00:49:05   Google figured out, because I keep the Google app installed on my iPhone, Google figured

00:49:09   out that I usually go to the mall, which is the mall like five minutes away where the

00:49:15   Apple Store also is.

00:49:17   And the other day, it popped up a card on Google Now, and it was like, "Do you want

00:49:21   me to show you this card always because you frequently go to this place?" I'm like,

00:49:27   "Yes, please. Show me traffic, because I want to know." Like, I know that some people

00:49:32   are like, "Oh my God, Google knows my address." And I used to be one of those people. And

00:49:37   I think I made very public amends to, you know, what I used to believe. But I feel like

00:49:43   there's a, it's a positive aspect to grow up and, you know, change your opinion. Because

00:49:49   Because I now understand that the convenience of giving up my habits, yes, of course, big

00:49:54   deal, Google knows that I go to the mall.

00:49:57   Well, okay, let's play out the apocalyptic scenario, the government acts into Google

00:50:05   server and they find out that I go to the mall.

00:50:08   Personally, I don't care, because the sheer utility that I get from that traffic card

00:50:14   in the Google app that it tells me, "Well, maybe it's not the best time to go to the

00:50:19   mall at 6pm, maybe you should go at 7.30 because there's less traffic." That's far better for

00:50:25   me than the peace of mind of knowing, "Yes, I'm totally secure, the government doesn't

00:50:30   know that I got to the mall." I mean, at one point you just start feeling paranoid about

00:50:34   the government or hackers knowing that you got to the mall, that you go someplace. I

00:50:39   I do understand why people are turned off by that.

00:50:43   I used to be one of those people, again, I just want to stress this very clearly, I used

00:50:47   to be of the belief that no company should ever know my habits or what I do or my taste,

00:50:53   but at some point I just want to save time, and Google Now, Amazon Echo, they do that

00:50:59   kind of stuff, they're either Siri or, we could talk about the Proactive page on iOS

00:51:05   they do stuff that those features don't offer me. So I understand people's position that

00:51:12   my privacy is important and I don't want to use Google and Amazon, and I don't understand

00:51:18   people who take it to the extreme like "I'm switching to DuckDuckGo because the results

00:51:23   aren't as good as Google, but man, they do care about privacy." And I don't understand

00:51:28   people who are like "I'm never gonna shop on Amazon again because they're creepy and

00:51:31   they do these features. But also I feel like those people should also understand the opposite

00:51:38   position of folks like us saying, "Well, you know, I get it. I'm giving up a little of

00:51:43   my information, but at the end of the day, this stuff is useful."

00:51:48   I'm sure long-time listeners will remember the many shouting matches that me and you

00:51:53   had about this exact thing, right?

00:51:56   Isn't it much better that I change my opinion?

00:51:58   Yes! That's what I'm trying to tell you at a time!

00:52:00   I strongly believe that changing an opinion is much, much better than holding that opinion

00:52:06   as true even if it's not.

00:52:09   You know?

00:52:11   Saying that you're not wrong, but just growing up.

00:52:14   I don't think I was wrong.

00:52:16   I'm changing.

00:52:18   That's better.

00:52:19   I'm like a butterfly.

00:52:20   You are.

00:52:21   You are just like a butterfly.

00:52:23   Alright, is that it on Siri?

00:52:26   Yeah, I think so.

00:52:27   Okay.

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00:55:59   All right, so I wanted to bring up a blog post from the wonderful developer and iOS

00:56:10   miner, like he dug into iOS and finds things, Mr. Steve Trout and Smith. I can't even think

00:56:16   of a way to like introduce him correctly because he's a madman.

00:56:21   He's probably iOS own Leonardo da Vinci.

00:56:27   He's like the Willy Wonka of iOS.

00:56:29   (laughing)

00:56:30   Just keep going.

00:56:31   He wrote a great post called the WWDC Wishlist,

00:56:34   where he digs into some real specific things

00:56:38   that he would like to be changed in Apple's many platforms.

00:56:41   And also some big picture stuff,

00:56:43   like for example, a unified app platform for iOS and OS X,

00:56:47   which is a really interesting thing.

00:56:49   I urge you to go and read the post.

00:56:50   We'll put a link in our show notes.

00:56:52   But we each picked a few of the specific things

00:56:55   that interest us and we want to talk about them.

00:56:57   Steven, I believe you wanted to start.

00:56:59   - Yeah, so leading up to W2C,

00:57:03   we're gonna see a lot of this stuff,

00:57:04   but what I like about this particular list

00:57:07   is that it's very nerdy.

00:57:08   And the one that jumped out at me

00:57:11   is the command key on the software iPad keyboard.

00:57:16   So if you have the smart keyboard,

00:57:17   or of course, you know, regular Bluetooth keyboard,

00:57:19   you have a command key and keyboard shortcuts support

00:57:24   iOS is really better than ever. A lot of developers are adding it. But it seems silly to me that

00:57:31   that's locked away for people who just have a hardware keyboard. And I understand that

00:57:36   it may be confusing to people. Maybe it's a toggle somewhere to turn it on or off on

00:57:41   a software keyboard. But I think that keyboard shortcuts are, while they are a remnant from

00:57:48   a time past of personal computing, I think they still have a place in our touchscreen

00:57:55   iOS world. But I believe that one of us disagrees with me.

00:58:00   I strongly disagree with the idea of having shortcuts come to the software keyboard, because

00:58:06   it kind of defeats the whole point of the separation between physical input with the

00:58:11   external keyboard and the touch input with the software one. I feel like when I'm using

00:58:18   the software keyboard, the commands that are exposed to shortcuts for hardware keyboards,

00:58:25   they're built into an apps interface when I'm using the software keyboard. I don't need

00:58:32   to have a shortcut to create a new document, because there's a plus button right there

00:58:37   that I can just touch. I feel like adding a command key to the software keyboard to

00:58:43   replicate shortcuts that are otherwise available directly on screen would just add complexity

00:58:49   to the keyboard that is not necessary.

00:58:52   I would make the argument that this should be an iPad Pro feature.

00:58:58   And not the others.

00:58:59   And not the others.

00:59:00   I mean, they already have another keyboard.

00:59:01   Keyboard's bigger, right?

00:59:03   Yes.

00:59:04   And also the smart keyboard is, what I have noticed, clearly encouraging developers to

00:59:10   put more keyboard shortcuts in their apps.

00:59:13   - Yep.

00:59:14   And Federico, I disagree with your,

00:59:17   basically your whole thing because--

00:59:19   (laughing)

00:59:19   I disagree with everything you are.

00:59:21   (laughing)

00:59:23   Disagree with all your life decisions.

00:59:25   No, no, I get what you're saying,

00:59:28   that keyboard shortcuts can add some sort of

00:59:31   level of complexity that you may not want.

00:59:34   But I think that is true if you tie things

00:59:37   only to keyboard shortcuts, right?

00:59:39   Like there are some apps that I use on the Mac that the menu system is so ridiculous

00:59:43   that it's just easier to know the keyboard shortcuts that I need to use.

00:59:47   Or something like Logic that's very keyboard driven.

00:59:50   That's one thing.

00:59:51   But I think that there is room for developers to use keyboard shortcuts to mimic or to have

01:00:00   things that the on-screen buttons and UI expose, but to have them available for people who

01:00:07   who want to use them on the keyboard.

01:00:08   Not forcing a decision, but saying,

01:00:11   hey, you know what, you can reach up and tap that button,

01:00:13   or if you're already on the software keyboard

01:00:15   and it's faster, and you prefer it that way,

01:00:18   go hit the Command key.

01:00:18   And that's the way it works on the Mac, right?

01:00:20   It's the way it works on desktop computers.

01:00:22   And I think that it can make sense on iOS.

01:00:25   I agree with you, I don't want developers

01:00:27   to be stashing things behind keyboard shortcuts

01:00:29   and not having them in the UI

01:00:31   and adding complexity that way.

01:00:33   But I don't think that just having them

01:00:34   as a parallel option necessarily adds complexity to an app.

01:00:39   Yeah, I disagree. What did they say? "Agree to disagree."

01:00:45   Okay. Myke, take us to the next point.

01:00:49   No, no, I'm not done. Because

01:00:53   I really feel that it shouldn't be

01:00:56   on all iPads, but I do think it should be

01:01:00   on the iPad Pro. It feels like a Pro feature, it would fit on the keyboard and if you're

01:01:06   using the physical keyboard so much as I am, when you use the software keyboard, I would

01:01:13   like them to be there. I understand why you're coming from where you're coming from Federico

01:01:19   and I do get it because it's not like with a keyboard. The reason keyboard shortcuts

01:01:24   exist is because your hands are on the keyboard. On the software keyboard, your hands are on

01:01:30   the screen that already has the button, right? So I get that, but I'm starting to see now

01:01:36   more and more keyboard shortcuts that activate things that would take multiple taps or that

01:01:41   are not immediately on screen because people are baking in more and more complex things.

01:01:46   So I think it might be nice in some areas, but I see where you're both coming from with

01:01:50   your ideas.

01:01:51   Okay, so let me counter with this.

01:01:55   We lose an hour to this.

01:01:58   this discussion on shortcuts for the software keyboard feels to me like Mac people coming

01:02:08   to iOS and be like "well, you know, we want the command key on the software keyboard".

01:02:13   The same argument could be made for iOS people going to the Mac and saying "well, you know,

01:02:18   I want to touch the screen". And whenever you bring that up, Mac folks tell you "well,

01:02:23   you know, Mac is not made for touching the screen because the interface is not made for

01:02:27   that's iOS. And to me it feels like a clear line in the sand. On the Mac you have shortcuts,

01:02:34   well on physical keyboards, but for the iPad you have shortcuts because it makes sense

01:02:39   there, but when you're touching the screen, you're on iOS, you interact with the interface,

01:02:44   you don't touch the screen on the Mac. It's really a similar argument, the way that I

01:02:47   look at it. I see why it would be nice, right? I understand why it would be nice. I just

01:02:54   feel like it would do more bad than good to the iPad. But we'll see, right? I mean, there's

01:03:03   genius coming up.

01:03:05   Alright, this one is probably gonna confuse many people. One of the things on Steve's

01:03:11   list that I like is system level drawing and markup.

01:03:14   Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

01:03:17   The whole thing I was campaigning against with the Apple Pencil. So I think that this

01:03:22   is a fantastic idea for a feature for me to be able to at any point to be able to draw

01:03:27   on the screen and leave lines and show things. But my argument, which me and Grey were talking

01:03:33   about this on an episode of Cortex, this should definitely be there, but it should be invoked

01:03:39   by some kind of button or shortcut of some description. Not a keyboard shortcut, of course,

01:03:45   because we shouldn't have those, right Federico? But there could be a button or Grey came up

01:03:51   with the idea which I like is a button you hit in Control Center which turns the UI to

01:03:56   only react to drawing with a pencil, like you can't move the UI at that point.

01:04:01   I just feel like it would be... maybe it could be even simpler than that. Apple could just

01:04:06   make an API to implement a generic drawing view, just like there's a UI text field.

01:04:14   That's what I mean, like you hit a button in an app which lets you draw on the app.

01:04:17   Yeah, exactly. There's no need for a control center shortcut to enable that.

01:04:22   Like any app could just have a little box where it's like, "You wanna draw here?

01:04:27   Okay, bring this up and you can only draw."

01:04:29   Yeah, but then you've got a Google app.

01:04:31   Right? And then they won't put it in for a year.

01:04:34   Which might be nice. Yeah, that's the reason I would suggest putting it in the OS.

01:04:39   Oh, to force it. To force it.

01:04:41   Yeah.

01:04:42   Oh, okay.

01:04:43   To force it upon developers that might not necessarily put it in on their own.

01:04:47   That... that... that... I don't know. I mean, Apple could... you could even say that Apple could force apps to support multitasking right now,

01:04:56   if they add, you know, if they support the iPad Pro full resolution but not multitasking, there's a... I believe there's a toggle.

01:05:04   I mean, Steven Trotton Smith knows this stuff. You can force apps to adopt Split View, even if they don't officially support Split View.

01:05:13   I guess you could also force to support this stuff. I don't know. I struggle to imagine

01:05:19   Apple making a toggle in Control Center and be like, well, screw you, now you support

01:05:24   the Apple Pencil the way that we envisioned.

01:05:29   I think they should be like that sometimes.

01:05:31   Yeah, I know. It makes a lot of sense to save developers the time to recreate the drawing

01:05:40   engine and feature of the Notes app. The whole OpenGL engine, it's super smooth. The basic

01:05:50   tools, they could benefit a lot of apps. Just imagine if, for example, it was a keyboard

01:05:56   feature, like on the iPad Pro, or you could have... I'm serious here.

01:06:03   No, I know, it's just... Would you make that a shortcut key, or...?

01:06:07   No, no, no, like, imagine if you would make drawings like a default way of communicating with people,

01:06:16   the same way that you can choose between text and emoji.

01:06:19   Imagine if you could have a drawing mode to send a sketch to anyone all the time, right?

01:06:25   It's really similar to the way that you can send sketches on the Apple Watch.

01:06:29   Only that's terrible, and with the pencil it would actually be nice, you know?

01:06:32   Yeah. Alright Federico, why don't you move on with our next point?

01:06:36   So this is also something that I've been thinking about for my iOS 10 wishlist

01:06:43   Drag and drop between apps. I assume in multitasking it's what we're looking for.

01:06:49   I believe it would be super tricky to get it right, but it also, again, like Siri,

01:06:56   it feels like the right thing to do, to enable users to drag and drop content between apps.

01:07:02   So I've been thinking about this really deeply, because I'm in the process of, again, putting

01:07:08   together my annual wishes.

01:07:11   The problem that I see is coming up with a solution that doesn't cause conflicts with

01:07:16   the copy and paste menu, which is now copy, paste, define, and share menu.

01:07:21   It's the full name, I guess.

01:07:24   Having that menu and having drag and drop can be tricky, because the moment that you're

01:07:30   selecting text, so let's just say you want to select some text and drop it into a document.

01:07:37   Easy enough, on the Mac you just select text and you drop it into the document next to

01:07:42   it. On iOS you would have the text selection controls, the copy and paste menu above that,

01:07:49   and then you would be able to drag it and drop it into another app. It could cause some

01:07:57   confusion to have all those things going on at once, you know? Copy and Paste menu, selection,

01:08:02   and drag and drop. So my idea is the Copy and Paste menu stay mostly the same in terms

01:08:10   of functionality. The Copy and Paste menu always appears in a way that doesn't obstruct

01:08:17   the content that you're selecting. So that would stay the same, but I imagine you could

01:08:22   keep pressing on a selection, whether it's document or whether it's text or an image,

01:08:28   and you would enter a special Dragging Mode. So this would take like half a second maybe,

01:08:34   and then with that special mode you would be able to drop it into another app. It's

01:08:40   also a question of why would you want to drag and drop? So I'm going to the very basic level

01:08:46   Why do we want to be able to drag and drop?

01:08:49   So I believe what I would want to see is a way to save time and to use the clipboard

01:08:58   less.

01:08:59   So the only way right now, if you have two applications up front on screen, the only

01:09:05   way to exchange data between them is to either use the copy and paste menu or to use extensions

01:09:12   from those apps while those apps are in the foreground, which is a super hacky way to

01:09:20   exchange information. Often when you use an extension for an app that is already in the

01:09:25   foreground, you need to close and reopen the app for the extension to show you the new

01:09:31   data. And I would love to have a way to move information from one app to the other, so

01:09:36   So that's the basic requirement.

01:09:40   Actual examples would be, I'm sending a new tweet and I want to attach a link or an image

01:09:47   from Safari, well I should just be able to drag and drop it from Safari to the tweet

01:09:52   box, whatever it's called, or I'm working on a document, so I have pages on one side

01:10:00   and a collection of images on the other side.

01:10:02   I shouldn't have to copy one image after the other and paste it.

01:10:07   I shouldn't have to go through the document provider to pick one image at a time.

01:10:13   I should just be able to select those five images, use my finger and drop them into the

01:10:19   document.

01:10:20   It's one of those features that on the surface it feels like, well, it's Apple taking features

01:10:27   from OS X and bringing them to the iPad.

01:10:29   But if you think about it, drag and drop makes perfect sense for multi-touch.

01:10:35   For a big screen, use your fingers, you directly touch an object and you place it from... you

01:10:40   put it from one place into another.

01:10:44   And so I've heard from a very secondhand rumor type of thing that a system framework like

01:10:53   this is in the works.

01:10:56   I mean, it has to be, right?

01:10:57   so obvious. And I heard this when maybe last month I covered on Mac Stories this third

01:11:08   party framework to bring Dragon Drop to Split View on iOS 9, I think it was called "Dragon

01:11:14   Drop", it was a clever joke, and I've heard that Apple is considering a system framework

01:11:23   to let developers do this stuff natively.

01:11:25   And I mean, it makes total sense to me,

01:11:29   just like a Siri API does.

01:11:31   The implementation could be tricky,

01:11:33   but I feel like it's time to stop using the clipboard,

01:11:38   extensions, or document pickers to move information

01:11:42   and files slowly from one place to another.

01:11:46   - Core Dragon.

01:11:47   - Core Dragon, yeah.

01:11:48   - Dragon Drop is an application.

01:11:50   - Is an app for the Mac, right?

01:11:51   Dragon, yeah, code dragon, yeah.

01:11:54   - I tell you what, one of the things I would really like

01:11:56   from this is when I'm copying text from one window,

01:12:01   like one app to another, which I do quite a lot,

01:12:04   I would like to, I think drag and drop would be nicer

01:12:07   than selecting it, tapping, tapping copy,

01:12:12   going over here, tapping and holding, and pressing paste.

01:12:15   Right, I think it'd just be like selecting it

01:12:19   and holding it and then just dragging it over. I would like that, that would be nice.

01:12:23   I would say, whilst I don't think that this is going to happen for a while,

01:12:28   a 3D touch action would really help with drag and drop.

01:12:32   You think so?

01:12:36   Well, it's like if you force press on something and hold, you get the ability to just move it

01:12:41   without ever needing to invoke any kind of buttons.

01:12:46   It might be tricky to do, but I think it might be nice.

01:12:50   It would be a thing you could do with it.

01:12:52   Yeah, maybe.

01:12:53   The main problem is I don't know if 3D Touch is coming to the iPad Pro.

01:12:58   That's what I mean.

01:12:59   I don't think...

01:13:00   I think it will one day.

01:13:01   I think we're a long way away from it happening.

01:13:04   Yeah, I agree.

01:13:05   I mean, it makes total sense.

01:13:07   Just, you know, we'll see.

01:13:08   What do we have next?

01:13:11   Up next there's a section about UI kit apps coming to the watch.

01:13:16   So, um, you know, WatchKit even in watchOS 2.0 is still pretty weak sauce compared to

01:13:25   full UIKit, which is used, of course, to build apps for iPhone and the iPad.

01:13:32   And I agree with him that he thinks that if the watch is going to succeed as an app platform

01:13:39   that they need to bring UIKit to it.

01:13:42   I'm not convinced the watch needs to be a successful app platform but that's my

01:13:46   hang up. But he does go on to say that he's not convinced that the first generation

01:13:50   hardware could drive this sort of thing and you know Dan Morin had a piece in

01:13:55   Six Colors about the speed of the of the Apple Watch being like the big killer in

01:14:01   his mind of you know something that promises to be faster but it's not

01:14:05   actually faster and that would obviously I think would be worse you know if you're

01:14:10   running UI kit but if they can rev the hardware and make that system on chip

01:14:15   faster then maybe it opens up some more interesting opportunities for apps

01:14:21   to be more responsive and I don't know if I don't think this would fix the data

01:14:26   transfer rate issue that seems to be a problem as well but if it helps you know

01:14:30   with things like launch time and just overall responsiveness and I think that

01:14:35   would that would be a good thing. Like when you hit a button and it recognizes

01:14:39   the button's been pressed. Oh my gosh. Don't do anything. Yes. That's confirmed, okay?

01:14:47   The button's been pressed. Last week I was using a watch app and I pressed the button

01:14:53   like three times and it shows you the visual feedback right when the button is depressed.

01:14:58   It shows you and it did nothing. I was like, you know, screw it, whatever. I'm just gonna

01:15:03   pick up my iPhone.

01:15:05   Ah Apple watch, you make me so sad.

01:15:08   Alright, last one.

01:15:10   All system iOS apps should support split screen.

01:15:13   Like, I can't even believe this is a thing.

01:15:15   Yes.

01:15:16   It's like we're complaining about Google, right?

01:15:20   But there are Apple apps that aren't split screen.

01:15:23   Like the apps, like any store, anything that has a store is not.

01:15:26   Why is that?

01:15:27   I have no idea.

01:15:28   Web objects probably.

01:15:30   I've seen people put up their excuse.

01:15:33   Why is WebObjects has to do with it?

01:15:35   - I have no idea.

01:15:36   I'm just running the meme.

01:15:38   (laughing)

01:15:39   - So you're just repeating what you heard.

01:15:41   - I do that a lot actually.

01:15:44   That's my job I think.

01:15:46   - Okay.

01:15:48   I mean, there's an iPhone version of the App Store,

01:15:52   the iTunes store.

01:15:53   So there's a way to have a smaller layouts of those stores.

01:15:57   I've seen the security argument come up.

01:16:01   - What?

01:16:02   I have no idea! Why wouldn't you be able to use a store in multitasking?

01:16:07   It's the 3/4 view, man. That 3/4 view is super unsafe. I don't know. FBI, probably.

01:16:13   That doesn't make any sense. I don't... Maybe it's, you know, just resource constrained.

01:16:19   For some reason those teams couldn't come up with a way to show you the apps are in

01:16:24   multitasking. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.

01:16:27   And it is weird, like the settings app as well. Again, an iOS version exists. It's very peculiar.

01:16:35   Yeah, you know, this comes up a lot with Apple Music for me, when I'm listening to music

01:16:43   and I just wanna be able to control playback next to what I'm doing, you know? Maybe I'm

01:16:50   listening to a new album or, you know, I'm browsing the new releases and I don't understand

01:16:56   why it doesn't super multitasking. You know? Have you guys, while we're on the topic,

01:17:02   one last question. Have you guys thought about using three apps at the same time on an iPad

01:17:09   Pro? Yeah, quite a lot, yeah. I admit I haven't wanted to say it because I feel greedy, but

01:17:17   yeah, I have very frequently wanted to have the ability to have three apps. Well, because

01:17:21   we've only just got two, right? So you feel like you're always asking for more? Yeah,

01:17:26   And then when they put three, I want four. Give me a quarter of each screen. So I haven't

01:17:32   said it, but yes, I very frequently want three apps. But then again, I know when I get three,

01:17:37   I will want four. There will be a reason, but I want four apps now.

01:17:42   It's weird, I can do that on my Mac.

01:17:44   It's too bad all the apps suck and nobody's bothering to develop the other many more.

01:17:50   That's not untrue. Moving on.

01:17:52   It's like you can put all the apps you want side by side, but there's no new ones.

01:17:57   Just Chrome windows all the way down.

01:17:59   Yep.

01:18:00   So what's next?

01:18:03   That's it, that's it, that's what I picked out.

01:18:05   That's our list.

01:18:06   I guess we're saving iOS 10 and OS 10 10.12 wishes for a proper episode.

01:18:15   But it was too fun to look at this article by Steven because it raised really some excellent

01:18:23   points.

01:18:24   I mean I'm still thinking about the shortcut key on the iPad keyboard.

01:18:29   I don't know, maybe you guys have a point, maybe I'm just…

01:18:32   You remember how you changed your opinion about Google?

01:18:35   Yeah, maybe this is one of those things…

01:18:37   Did I get the shortcut key?

01:18:38   It's too soon Myke, it's too soon.

01:18:41   I'm like, what did it say?

01:18:44   Thomas I need to I need to touch it before I believe it you know that's like

01:18:48   a Christian thing I believe why do I have no idea what you're talking about

01:18:53   oh Stephen come on you're you're you're a kind of person you know this stuff

01:18:58   fine line here buddy yeah he didn't believe that she was alive so see see

01:19:07   it's the same Thomas and it and he has some fish in front of him and you won't

01:19:11   believe what happened next. It touched him. So I need to try this iPad keyboard. I'm not

01:19:18   saying that I'm a saint, but I'm, you know, just a way of life. Try before you buy, if

01:19:25   you will. Please end this, Myke. If you'd like to find our show notes, head on over

01:19:28   to relay.fm/connected/80. If you want to find Federico online, he is @Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I,

01:19:36   Twitter and he writes over at MaxStories.net. Stephen is @ismh and he writes at 512pixels.net

01:19:44   and I am @imike. Thanks again to our sponsors this week, Peacalk and Braintree. Thank you

01:19:51   for listening and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.

01:19:55   Arrivederci. Adios.