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0:00:06From Relay FM, this is Connected, and this is episode number 65. Today's show
0:00:11is kindly brought to you by Braintree, Casper and Igloo. My name is Myke Hurley
0:00:16and I'm joined by Mr Stephen Hackett. Hello Mr Hackett.
0:00:19Hello Myke, how are you? I am very well, very well indeed. We have a special
0:00:22episode today as I mentioned and we have the man of the hour here,
0:00:25Mr Federico Vittucci. Hello guys. How are you doing Federico?
0:00:29You sound very professional.
0:00:31- I do, I'm glad I got fancy new equipment.
0:00:35I'm almost a professional podcasters.
0:00:37- Well, you know, you're professional in all manners.
0:00:39Your iPad has been upgraded to professional,
0:00:41your microphone's been upgraded to professional,
0:00:43we're ready to go.
0:00:44- It's the pro week.
0:00:46- It is indeed.
0:00:47So we're assuring our usual format today
0:00:49because today's episode is all about the iPad Pro,
0:00:53which Federico has had for about a week now
0:00:55and he's probably loving it.
0:00:57(Federico laughs)
0:00:58That's a joke, right? Yeah, eight days. That's how long I've been playing with this device.
0:01:04Yeah.
0:01:05So did you steal this? Like, how did this come into your possession?
0:01:08Well, basically you just need to break into the Apple Europe offices and know where to look,
0:01:14and you just go home and you get an iPad Pro. No, that's not really the story.
0:01:19So remember last week we met in London, Myke?
0:01:24Mm-hmm.
0:01:24the reason why I was in London is that I was picking up an iPad Pro. Really? Yeah, I was in London last week and I flew back home on the same day.
0:01:40In fact Myke, you took me to the airport. We were on a train, it was a really
0:01:46professional train. I was actually surprised by the cleanliness of the
0:01:50train in London. We don't get those kinds of trainings in Rome. I imagine now that I
0:01:54I was kind of like your bodyguard, right?
0:01:56Protecting the iPad.
0:01:57- Exactly.
0:01:58You were protecting me from possible London thieves.
0:02:02- Yep.
0:02:04- Basically, you know, they were trying to get my iPad.
0:02:07I flew back on the same night.
0:02:10I couldn't use the iPad Pro on the plane,
0:02:14but as soon as I got home,
0:02:15my girlfriend and I prepared a nice dinner,
0:02:19and then I started playing with the iPad,
0:02:21and I started to set up all my apps, all my accounts.
0:02:25It was a clean installation of iOS 9.1.
0:02:29So it comes with iOS 9.1.
0:02:31It's a special build for the iPad Pro.
0:02:33And I basically spent the first night
0:02:36just trying to set up all my apps
0:02:38and logging into web services,
0:02:41installing Dropbox and 1Password,
0:02:44because that's what you do as soon as you set up
0:02:45a new iOS device.
0:02:47And I think I basically took it away until 5 or 6 a.m.
0:02:57Because I was really excited to kind of play around,
0:03:01trying to get some work done.
0:03:02Because one of my initial concerns was,
0:03:08if I want to write about this, I should be able to use it first.
0:03:12It's not like I'm just reviewing this device as it is.
0:03:16if this needs to be my main computer, I need to spend the first couple of days,
0:03:21maybe more, and like the entire week trying to work on it. So it was like
0:03:26a dual process of trying to write the review and trying to use the device as
0:03:30my main and only computer, just like I used to do on the iPad R2.
0:03:35So initially I struggled, and I think I told you guys this, I struggled to
0:03:40balance, you know, I need to review this, but I also need to use this as I would
0:03:44normally do. But eventually it was all okay and the review was done in time and we got
0:03:50here to this point today where all the reviews are coming out. So it's a nice day, Myke.
0:03:57It is indeed. So you've been using it solely as your device for the last eight days?
0:04:01Yes, exclusively as my... Just like the iPad R2, I removed the SIM card from my iPad R2,
0:04:09I got a 128 gig model of the iPad Pro, Wi-Fi installer, so I put in my SIM card, and as
0:04:15soon as my SIM card moves from one device to the other, the other device becomes my
0:04:19primary one. That's the sign that recognizes. That's the mark. It's my main device, the
0:04:27one with the SIM card.
0:04:28Yeah, it's always interesting when you review something of that line of, "I need to review
0:04:35this thing and like get my workflow set up but I also need to keep working and
0:04:39do my job. Right? So if you're reviewing something really different than what you
0:04:42normally do that can be that can be challenging. So I commend your your
0:04:48approach to this and I think that it's a good one as someone who you get your job
0:04:53done on an iPad you run a successful website you do all these things from
0:04:58your tablet the only way you could review something and and really
0:05:02understand it is to do your business on it to fully dive in so I like the way
0:05:08that you went about testing this and I think that it shows in the review that
0:05:12you know you're not on your iPad air to doing Mac stories and the iPad Pro every
0:05:17couple hours to like check something you know but yeah you do have all the way in
0:05:21and I think that you know that's that's something why you have one why you're
0:05:25able to do this review that you have that perspective that a lot of people
0:05:28don't have because it is your primary computer which of course we're going to
0:05:32get get into but um yeah I like the way you went about this. Thank you and I mean
0:05:38you can get even more Inception style I mean the review itself needed to be done
0:05:44on an iPad Pro because the review was also working for me you know it's that's
0:05:48work so I needed to do my regular tasks on the iPad Pro I also needed to write
0:05:54the review but the review itself needed to be done on an iPad Pro so it was all
0:05:58you know, it was all a cycle. In a weird way, like the most perfect task for this
0:06:03device is its own review. It's a review in itself. How interesting is that?
0:06:10Yes exactly. Alright let's start talking about the hardware itself. So we're gonna
0:06:15break this down into a few different topics. So like hardware, software and
0:06:20accessories, which is kind of like the way that you broke down your reviews as
0:06:24as well. So let's talk about the weight of the device. Now my memory tells me
0:06:30that the iPad Pro is the same weight as the original iPad and it's funny because
0:06:37you know you think about the original iPad that was perfectly fine weight wise
0:06:40but as they've gotten lighter and lighter over the years the thought of
0:06:43going back to a previous model was like death so when I heard about this my
0:06:47imagination was well it's gonna be too heavy so tell me what you think about
0:06:51at Federica? So it's heavier than the iPad R2 but the big difference is it's
0:06:57also much bigger. You got 6.5 centimeters from one side in terms of
0:07:04gain and you got five centimeters on the other side so it's much bigger and the
0:07:10difference when you when you put the two of them side by side or maybe on
0:07:15top of the other as I have in one of my pictures you really can see the
0:07:19difference. It's a much bigger screen. So my first reaction when I first saw an iPad Pro on a table was that it looked like a MacBook display without the body, just the screen.
0:07:32And when I picked it up, so in my mind for some reason my muscle memory kind of adjusted to believing that as soon as I was gonna pick it up, it would be as heavy as a MacBook Air.
0:07:46So when you pick one up, it's strange because it is heavier of course, but it's also much lighter than you would expect from a device that size.
0:07:58And the thing that gets me every time is that it's really well balanced.
0:08:04So there's no way to tell the top from the bottom in terms of weight.
0:08:11just it's this huge screen and it's very well balanced.
0:08:15It's got the same unibody construction of the iPad R2 so it's really
0:08:20the finish and the weight, it really feels good in the hand
0:08:25and there's no particular moment when I was like
0:08:31this is too heavy for what it does and
0:08:34the weight distribution I think, they've done a really good job there.
0:08:38So of course it's strange because when you remember the first iPad and it was thick and it was a 10 inch device
0:08:45and in your mind you go "I don't want to go back to a device that's so heavy".
0:08:51But you also gotta remember that it's basically a 13 inch device, the iPad Pro.
0:08:57And it's just slightly thicker than the iPad R2 and I couldn't tell the difference really in daily usage
0:09:04in terms of the thickness increase. So it's heavier and when you pick up an iPad Pro and an iPad R2,
0:09:11you know, one hand with the Pro, the other hand with the Air 2, you can tell the difference.
0:09:18But it's also not too heavy for the kind of screen that it has. And I got a big disclaimer about this
0:09:25in my review. This really comes down to the size of your hands, how comfortable you are with holding
0:09:32a 12.9 inch device, what exactly you aim to do with the iPad. Are you okay with holding
0:09:39your iPad with two hands for just a couple of minutes? Or do you want to run a marathon
0:09:43holding your iPad? I don't know why you would want to do that. But it really depends on
0:09:48your kind of physical usage, like your physical interaction between your hands and the iPad.
0:09:53Because this thing is heavier. But for me, it's not too heavy.
0:09:59Did you feel fatigued after holding it for a while?
0:10:02So you're reading in bed.
0:10:04Did you feel the weight of it then?
0:10:06Because the funny thing about it, whilst it's not too heavy, it's bigger in every way, right?
0:10:11So it is kind of, I would assume, maybe more cumbersome to deal with.
0:10:17It's not as portable as an iPad R2 or an iPad Mini in the sense that my hand can go all
0:10:25the way from one side of the screen to the other.
0:10:28So I can pick up an iPad mini just with a single hand with my thumb and another finger
0:10:34on the other side.
0:10:35I cannot do that on the iPad Pro.
0:10:37So it's not as easy to maneuver basically, like you can't just like very quickly pick
0:10:41it up from the table?
0:10:42No, you can do that.
0:10:45Depending on if you pick it up from a corner, you can do that.
0:10:48I do that all the time.
0:10:49So when I'm in the kitchen and I leave the iPad Pro on the kitchen table, I just grab
0:10:53it if I want to check something.
0:10:54So that's totally doable.
0:10:56What's different is if you were to compare holding the iPad Pro and the iPad Air 2 just
0:11:05on your wrists for, I don't know, 10 minutes, maybe by the end you would feel more fatigue
0:11:13on the iPad Pro because it's heavier.
0:11:17What I think I've done is I have naturally adjusted to kind of either using my lap or
0:11:23or using my elbows as a kind of resting area for when I'm holding the iPad Pro.
0:11:30But when I'm walking around the house, I need to walk often and I need to stretch.
0:11:35And I do these five minute walks. I go on the balcony, I just keep walking just to stretch myself for a little while.
0:11:43And when I'm walking with the iPad Pro in both hands, I don't feel any fatigue.
0:11:49So maybe for really prolonged periods of time, like for 10 minutes, 20 minutes, just holding
0:11:56the iPad Pro with two hands, of course you would feel fatigue, you know, because it's
0:12:00heavier than the iPad Air 2.
0:12:03But for just a couple of minutes, you know, when you're just picking up an iPad, just
0:12:07checking something, Twitter, I don't know, I think you'll be fine.
0:12:10Or you're cooking in the kitchen and you need to look up a recipe, I think you'll be fine
0:12:14there.
0:12:15that I think is important to consider with the weight,
0:12:18you know, comparing it to the original iPad,
0:12:20which you guys will remember,
0:12:21I bought one during our iPad special.
0:12:24- Yes.
0:12:25- Or for our iPad special.
0:12:26And I actually got it off the shelf this weekend
0:12:30to just kind of get reacquainted with the weight.
0:12:33And that original iPad had a curved back, you know,
0:12:36where it, if you sat it on a table, it would rock.
0:12:38The edges were thinner than the back,
0:12:41kind of like the iPhone 3G and 3GS had a similar effect.
0:12:44think that's important too that the this iPad like all of Apple's modern tablets
0:12:49is completely flat on the back so you sit it down it doesn't wobble it doesn't
0:12:54move and I think that helps too with that model of how thick does it feel and
0:12:58how heavy does it feel where you know the 3G and 3GS if you pick one up it
0:13:02feels heavier and thicker than it actually is because you have that curve
0:13:06there. I think that I would imagine works in favor for the iPad Pro that because
0:13:13is the same thickness throughout, your fingers and your mind don't get tricked to thinking
0:13:18that it's thicker or heavier than it actually is.
0:13:20In my mind, at least I remembered the iPad 3 actually of being heavier for some reason.
0:13:28And I know that maybe we rewrite our own memories when it comes to what an old device feels
0:13:34like but I really didn't have much of a problem with the iPad Pro.
0:13:40And it could be that I'm just so used to taking these short breaks that holding the device
0:13:47for...
0:13:49I'm not holding the iPad Pro, or even the iPad Air 2 for that matter, for an hour.
0:13:56Just walking around for an hour.
0:13:58And in that case, of course I would feel fatigue on my wrists.
0:14:02Because for several minutes at a time it can become a problem.
0:14:07But on the other hand, if you need to walk for an hour and while doing so you want to
0:14:13check a screen, maybe the iPhone is the best device for the job there.
0:14:17So in my routine, in my daily habits, this has not been a problem.
0:14:23And which I was really happy to see because it was one of my biggest concerns moving from
0:14:30the iPad or to the iPad Pro.
0:14:32So yeah, I'm happy here.
0:14:35I think one of the important things to remember, I know we're really kind of belaboring the
0:14:38point about the wait, but I think it is kind of important when you look at the overall
0:14:42hardware of this thing.
0:14:44But I guess one of the interesting things to remember is that this is the furthest away
0:14:49from a consumption device that the iPad has ever been, and I know we're going to talk
0:14:54about that a little bit later on.
0:14:56But a lot of the things that we're talking about, like, you know, how does it feel when
0:14:58you do this for a certain period of time, it's like consumption stuff like reading and
0:15:01things like that. Where maybe this iPad was built more to be put on the desk
0:15:05than any other iPad before it. So maybe like the idea of holding it for long
0:15:09periods of time in your hands is maybe not so much of a problem.
0:15:13Exactly. And even when you see the kind of accessories that Apple has made,
0:15:17there's a keyboard, there's a pencil. So it's meant to be used
0:15:23primarily at a desk. That doesn't mean that you cannot hold the device and walk
0:15:28around or take the device out of the smart keyboard and sit on the couch and get work done,
0:15:34because I totally do that. But for a lot of people this is gonna be the device they're gonna use at
0:15:41their desks, either drawing, sketching, typing, reading email. But again, it's not a mutually
0:15:49exclusive type of thing here. You can use it there, you can pick it up, you can walk around with it
0:15:55for a few minutes, you can put it in a bag and go out and get work done at a park because
0:16:01it's got a SIM card. So it's more skewed towards desk usage, but that doesn't mean it's impossible
0:16:08to use it as a portable iPad because I've done that. I've taken it with me at the mall.
0:16:16Don't worry, Apple, no one saw the iPad. I got to make sure that I say this. I've taken
0:16:23with me in the car while I was waiting for my girlfriend. I worked from my car, I took
0:16:29it to my therapist who also didn't see the iPad Pro. So yeah, it makes more sense than
0:16:37the iPad R2 and the iPad Mini of course at a desk, but it's also still an iPad in terms
0:16:42of portability. That's my takeaway.
0:16:45All right, there's still tons of stuff that we need to talk about in regards to the hardware,
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0:18:30So one of the most interesting parts here,
0:18:33which is really weird.
0:18:34So like, you know, when I think about this device,
0:18:37Federico, and after reading the review that you've written,
0:18:40there is this real kind of struggle and battle
0:18:43between the consumption part
0:18:45and the professional working part of this device.
0:18:47And one of the consumption areas where the iPad Pro
0:18:50is better than any iPad before it is the speaker system.
0:18:53Can you explain a little bit about what's going on here?
0:18:56- Okay, so it's got four speakers,
0:18:58two at the top, two at the bottom.
0:19:01And what the iPad does, it can automatically detect
0:19:06whether you're using the device in landscape mode
0:19:08or important mode, of course.
0:19:10And all speakers can produce the same frequencies.
0:19:15But depending on the orientation, only the bottom ones produce bass frequencies, and the topmost ones handle the mids and highs.
0:19:25So the result is a very well balanced sound, it's much warmer and richer than the R2.
0:19:34The best part is when you rotate your iPad, it detects rotation, so it switches to what
0:19:41the speakers do according to your physical orientation of the device.
0:19:45So no matter landscape or portrait mode, sound kind of always follows you around and adjusts
0:19:54automatically depending on the device.
0:19:56And they're really loud, and not in a bad way.
0:20:01It sounds great, it's a very warm sound and it's much richer than the iPEDR 2.
0:20:09It has all these layers of sound that you normally don't hear on the mini or on the
0:20:16iPEDR or on the iPhone for that matter.
0:20:20I really like how it sounds and I've been listening to Apple Music, to podcasts, in
0:20:27Orcast.
0:20:30It maybe doesn't get quite as loud as some external speakers, of course.
0:20:35It's still a tablet.
0:20:37But it's much louder than the Air 2.
0:20:40And I've been using it to listen to music at the highest volume.
0:20:45And you can hear songs just fine from another room.
0:20:50And in fact, my girlfriend, she was impressed because when I was listening to music in the
0:20:55kitchen she could hear songs just fine in the bathroom which is you know like
0:21:00four to five meters away there's a there's a hall and then there's another
0:21:04room. It also makes for nice background music when there's like a family dinner
0:21:10or you got some friends over. It's a really good companion there to make sure
0:21:16that you got some tunes in the background you know. So I'm really really
0:21:20happier. Again, didn't expect this. I was so used to the speakers of the Epidder 2.
0:21:26I wasn't expecting it to sound this good. In fact, it sounds even better than the speakers
0:21:30on my MacBook Air, which I realized, of course it does, because my MacBook Air is a four-year-old
0:21:36device, so I guess speaker technology got better in the meantime. They sound great.
0:21:42So believe me, you gotta go... I don't know if you could get a demo of this at an Apple
0:21:48store if it's a crowded place but they really sound great.
0:21:53So one of the interesting things about the 6 Plus when it was released was that even
0:21:57though the screen was bigger because the physical body of the phone was bigger Apple were able
0:22:02to shove more battery inside the case. Is this the same for the iPad Pro? Do we have
0:22:08a larger battery here or is it just powering the Retina display which is looking pretty
0:22:13incredible?
0:22:15Of course it's got a power display and there's a more powerful CPU, GPU and 4GB of RAM.
0:22:22So you gotta provide more energy there.
0:22:25But Apple says that you get 10 hours of battery life in average usage.
0:22:31So you can surf the web, watch a couple of videos, play games, read books.
0:22:36In my practical tests, and here I gotta have another disclaimer, I like to turn off auto
0:22:43brightness on my devices and I keep it just about 50%. So I could very easily get over
0:22:5511 hours of battery life and the device would turn off just when it was approaching 12 hours
0:23:04of usage. So 11 and a half hours. I might have taken a few breaks here and there when
0:23:10the iPad was not working so it was locked and the screen was off. So I can
0:23:15say that I comfortably got to 11 hours of usage. You know, because I spent
0:23:21days, basically I didn't get any food to eat, I was just at my desk
0:23:26working. My girlfriend was very understanding over the past week. It was
0:23:30a very nice surprise and it's not the first time that Apple does this,
0:23:34that they promise 10 hours and you get 11. I remember this has been the case for
0:23:39previous iPads before. So 10 hours is a good metric to give you an average of
0:23:44usage, which is impressive when you consider the new display, more RAM,
0:23:49more power, new speakers. But they like to do this. There's this 10 hour threshold
0:23:56that's been holding true for the past five years. I wonder if eventually we'll
0:24:00get more, but today we still get those 10 hours and maybe a little more, even
0:24:05Apple doesn't like to say so. It's interesting to hear and I think the 6+
0:24:10is a good parallel when you put these bigger displays into devices there is a
0:24:16bigger power drop the battery you power drop the GPU that has to drive this
0:24:20thing comes with the A9X processor which just seems like a like a beast but you
0:24:24know I think the screen and the way they got to 12.9 inches is really interesting
0:24:29so if you if you go back and watch the introduction they they have an iPad Air
0:24:34and basically the height of the air is the width of the the iPad Pro and then
0:24:39they basically came to 12 point inches to make it 4 by 3. It's still 264 pixels
0:24:46per inch according to Apple's website which is the same as the Air 2 and then
0:24:50of course both of those are less than many because the mini is higher because
0:24:54using the same resolution as the Air 2 but in a smaller package. How is that
0:25:01screen in real life. Does it, compared to an Air 2, does it look a little less sharp?
0:25:05Because on paper it may, but it shouldn't buy much. I mean, how is it, how does it
0:25:10look, how the colors, does it seem like an improvement over the Air 2 or is it
0:25:14kind of the same thing but bigger? So I asked about this. It's got the same color
0:25:19reproduction of the Air 2 and the Mini 4 and to me it looks exactly the same in
0:25:25in terms of sharpness, color, brightness of the display.
0:25:29What's impressive is the feeling
0:25:33of looking at a portable retina display.
0:25:36So it's not a technical observation, it's just a personal feeling of mine.
0:25:40When I look at the display it looks fantastic because it's so big
0:25:43and it shows two apps at the same time, text is
0:25:46crisp, legible, it looks exactly
0:25:50to me like an iPerf2 display. It's only more impressive because it's bigger
0:25:54But the color, the sharpness, the render quality, that's the same.
0:25:58The crazy thing to me is the resolution of this thing is bigger than the MacBook.
0:26:04Yeah, 5.6 million pixels should be more than a MacBook, I think.
0:26:10Yeah, the MacBook is 226 pixels per inch at 2304 by 1440.
0:26:15Yeah.
0:26:15That's madness to me.
0:26:18I don't know how they make the decisions that they make,
0:26:21and I'm not saying it's a bad or good decision, but it's just really crazy to me that there is this iPad
0:26:26which is better than this future laptop. It is kind of magical in its own little way.
0:26:32And what's even crazier is because of this crazy resolution, when you activate multitasking in split view
0:26:40and you move to the 50/50 split view layout, you basically get two iPadder, two portrait apps at the same time.
0:26:51They're only slightly, maybe like a couple of hundred pixels of difference between the two resolutions,
0:26:58but it's basically like using two iPads vertically at the same time, which is crazy.
0:27:03And the effect when you activate Split View, it gets you by surprise because it's really like using two regular sized apps at the same time.
0:27:12And you get the controls where you expect them to be, you get tabs at the top in Safari,
0:27:18So it's really a nice effect.
0:27:20And again, to me it's crazy that this thing has this kind of resolution.
0:27:24And when I go back to my MacBook Air to record podcasts on Skype,
0:27:31I look at the screen and I see those big chunky pixels,
0:27:34and I'm like, "Oh my god, what am I using?"
0:27:36Yeah, it looks really nice.
0:27:39There's a line in your review, you say,
0:27:44You say, "A week after I started using the iPad Pro,
0:27:46I picked up my old iPad Air 2,
0:27:48and it felt like an iPad Mini."
0:27:50- Yes.
0:27:52- That's frightening to me,
0:27:53as someone who uses an Air 2 and who really likes it,
0:27:56that if I get one of these things,
0:27:58that I'm going to be ruined.
0:28:01But what does an iPad Mini feel like now?
0:28:03Have you tried a Mini since having this?
0:28:05- No, not yet.
0:28:06I wanna go to the Apple Store and pick up an iPad Mini
0:28:09to see what my reaction is gonna be.
0:28:11I'm probably gonna think it's a very big iPhone.
0:28:14Because I needed to confirm with myself,
0:28:17I think I was going, I thought I was going crazy,
0:28:19is this an iPad Air 2?
0:28:21I asked my girlfriend, she was like, are you kidding me?
0:28:24It really does feel tiny, you know?
0:28:27And not just multitasking, but just apps,
0:28:30like full screen apps, it feels so tiny.
0:28:33When you get used to, so these big toolbars,
0:28:36these wide sidebars on the iPad Pro,
0:28:39you start using iOS on an iPad R2 and it feels exactly like I felt when I moved from the
0:28:47iPad mini to the R2. It feels just impossibly small and not in a good way. The keyboard
0:28:54is smaller, apps are all closer together when you do split view. The icons on the home screen,
0:29:01and we can talk about this, it's just very closely grouped together. I think this will
0:29:08be a common reaction for people who move from an Air 2 to the Pro. You give it a few days,
0:29:15you pick up the iPad Air 2, you're gonna feel like "how did I use this for a year?"
0:29:21You can just hear the groans like "nooooo" because this is what it was like when we all
0:29:25got the Plus, right? There are just so many advantages to having a larger screen. So I
0:29:34I just got a Retina iMac.
0:29:36- Yes.
0:29:37- And if I ever use my MacBook now, I feel constrained
0:29:40because the screen is smaller.
0:29:42- Yes.
0:29:43- Right? Like whenever you, it was the thing,
0:29:45whenever you increase the real estate
0:29:47of the machine that you're using,
0:29:49the benefits of that become intrinsically important
0:29:53to the way that you work.
0:29:54- I totally believe, I'm starting to believe
0:29:56that we as humans have a natural tendency
0:30:00for liking big screens.
0:30:01almost no one likes a small screen.
0:30:05Like if you had to choose, would you look at text, would you look at a webpage,
0:30:09would you look at a photo on a small screen voluntarily?
0:30:13Unless you have some very important physical constraints.
0:30:17And from that point of view we can talk about accessibility and that's totally fair.
0:30:22But if you had the choice, choosing between a small screen and a big screen,
0:30:27of course you're going to pick the big screen.
0:30:30because it shows you more, it shows you better photos, it shows you more text, it's easier
0:30:37to look at for the eyes. So, again, the effect is really like moving from the Mini to the
0:30:44R2 or from the iPhone 5s to the iPhone 6 and maybe to the 6 Plus. You go back and you say,
0:30:51was I even getting work done on this thing? Was it possible? What was I thinking? And
0:30:56You know, that's natural progress in terms of these devices. As the screens get bigger,
0:31:02it's a balance, right? You gotta say, "Am I still able to use this? And if I am, do
0:31:07I see the benefits in a bigger screen?" If you do, then you go back and you say, "Yeah,
0:31:12this is too small. I cannot get anything done here."
0:31:15Clearly a lot of upside there from a work perspective, but I think there are a lot of
0:31:20people who are not going to use their iPad at their desk. They're going to use it on
0:31:24the couch, they're going to be hanging out watching Netflix. How is that bigger screen
0:31:32in those scenarios? If you're reading in bed and air two can feel somewhat big at times,
0:31:40did you experience any of that? Is there any weirdness there as far as using it sort of
0:31:44in a more relaxed position?
0:31:48Did you see the photo that I sent you last night?
0:31:50I did.
0:31:51The one watching the same video.
0:31:53It's like you wield a TV next to your bed.
0:31:55Yes.
0:31:57So this is totally, I have a footnote in my review.
0:32:00When I play games or watch movies, it's totally like having a mini high-rest TV on my lap or on my desk.
0:32:08I don't know how I should describe this, if this is a problem for people or not.
0:32:16because when you're resting, when you're in a relaxed position, you can use a smart cover or the smart keyboard as a stand.
0:32:25So, in theory, it shouldn't be a problem if it's too big. It could only be a positive, you know, because you're looking at a bigger screen so it's more comfortable.
0:32:35You don't have to hold your device with both hands, so size shouldn't be an issue in that case.
0:32:42So I don't know, like, when you're in bed, do you like to use like another stand for the iPad?
0:32:49While watching Netflix? Because when you're on the couch, you can just put the iPad Pro on your lap.
0:32:55And it's this big screen that you see in front of you.
0:32:58If you have a desk, you can just use a stand.
0:33:03Or, you know, just like my picture in the review, you can just prop it up on your lap and watch a movie.
0:33:09So, I don't know, maybe for kids it could be a problem, you know, kids with small hands,
0:33:17it's a heavier device, so that maybe is a problem, you know, if you're gonna ask your
0:33:24children to pick up an iPad Pro, I can imagine at 700 grams that can be an issue.
0:33:31Just knock over my daughter.
0:33:32Yes.
0:33:33It just disrupts her center of gravity and she just goes straight down.
0:33:37Yeah.
0:33:38For kids, maybe that's a problem, and I see your argument there.
0:33:42But for adult people, I don't know, I think you'll be fine.
0:33:46One of the main uses of my MacBook Pro now is it's become the machine that we watch TV
0:33:52on in bed.
0:33:53Yes, yes.
0:33:54But this is the same screen size.
0:33:56So goodbye!
0:33:59My MacBook is becoming...
0:34:01The more I think about the iPad Pro, and we'll talk about this at the end, but I'm starting
0:34:05to just check off more of what I do with my MacBook Pro and it's becoming less and less
0:34:10likely that it will have a serious place in my life if I get one of these.
0:34:15Now before we depart from the screen and move on to other positive devices, this is the
0:34:21first of a couple of things I believe that put the iPad in a weird position from a refresh
0:34:28cycle and what I'm talking about is 3D touch.
0:34:31So the iPad Pro is a new device but it's kind of still stuck in the middle between the iPad
0:34:38Air 2 and the new iPhones.
0:34:40And one of the first things that highlight this is the fact that you cannot use 3D Touch
0:34:45on this device, right?
0:34:49How has that impacted you on a daily basis?
0:34:52Has it, has it not?
0:34:54Do you need it?
0:34:55What do you think you need it for?
0:34:56Could this device even comfortably use a technology like this?
0:35:00So the biggest issue has been the lack of shortcuts on the home screen.
0:35:06But what I also noticed is I use 3D Touch on my phone with my thumb, so when I'm scrolling
0:35:13Twitter I can just press harder with my thumb and I get a preview in Tweetbot, you know,
0:35:18Tweets and webpages.
0:35:20I don't use the iPad Pro like that, and even if I did, there's a, you know, there's a gap
0:35:28in apps between the bezel of the device when my thumb rests and the content on the screen.
0:35:36So in Tweetbot you get a sidebar or maybe in Safari you get a margin between the bezel
0:35:43and a link in the text of a webpage.
0:35:46So I struggle to imagine how you would use 3D Touch on an iPad.
0:35:50You would have to use another finger, so another hand like your index finger on the right hand
0:35:55point at content and use 3D touch. So I think there will be some 3D touch
0:36:03implementation. I don't know if it'll be like the iPhone. So on home screen it's
0:36:08gotta be like the iPhone because shortcuts are just too convenient. But
0:36:12the physical interaction of using, at least for me, using 3D touch on an
0:36:18iPhone and imagine it on an iPad Pro is different because even on the 6 Plus I
0:36:24I can hold the device and with my thumb use 3D Touch anywhere, because I can reach the screen anywhere.
0:36:30On the iPad Pro it would require another hand, so I don't know.
0:36:35And it will be especially weird when the iPad is being used with a keyboard vertically.
0:36:42So do you just... there's a risk you gotta knock your iPad over trying to use 3D Touch when it's used vertically with a stand.
0:36:50I think there's gotta be some kind of 3D touch implementation in the future.
0:36:56I don't know if it'll be exactly like the phone.
0:36:59I had this moment in preparing, looking at the iPad Pro pages on Apple's website.
0:37:07And as the resident space nerd, I liked, there was a lot of space stuff in the keynote and all their example images.
0:37:14I was like, oh man, it's gonna be so cool to like,
0:37:16you know, 3D touch and have a live photo
0:37:19of like Jupiter spinning under my thumb.
0:37:21And then I was like, and Myke actually was like,
0:37:22you know there's not 3D touch in the iPad Pro.
0:37:25And I was like, no!
0:37:26(laughing)
0:37:29You know, maybe next time, you know,
0:37:31I think this happens with Apple products sometimes
0:37:33where you end up the iPhone having something first.
0:37:36I mean, just look at Siri.
0:37:38It took a while to bring that to the iPad
0:37:40and it's still not on the Mac.
0:37:41I think maybe it has less to do with like,
0:37:43lifecycle of products and more to do with the iPhone being sort of the the front or the iPhones where they make all their money
0:37:50Or most of their money and it's that's where they're pushing the envelope. You know, I think I agree with you Federico that
0:37:57three tips would be really nice especially for
0:38:00Home screen shortcuts. It's amazing how quickly that has become like part of my workflow in my iPhone. Like I'm totally in on it
0:38:09But the you know, I think it will get there, but I'm not I'm not shocked. I'm not like
0:38:14Super surprised that it's not here on day one. Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree
0:38:20The just imagining pick and pop while holding an iPad Pro
0:38:25I just I cannot see it or you know, maybe I'll be proven wrong in the future
0:38:30But I think the big the bigger screen gets the harder it is for 3d touch to be effective
0:38:35So either Apple comes up with a new implementation just for the iPad or maybe
0:38:40I'm just wrong and when it does finally ship with the touch it'll be okay with pick and pop as you normally do on the iPhone.
0:38:47So we'll see. Also another hardware feature that you know, it's on the phone, but it's not on the iPad
0:38:54It's a second generation Touch ID sensor.
0:38:56So that's really a bummer because I'm totally used to the crazy fast unlocking experience of the iPhone 6s and
0:39:05And on the iPad Pro you can immediately tell it's the first generation Touch ID.
0:39:10It's slower and it's not as fast or accurate or capable of accepting different orientations of your finger than on the iPhone 6s.
0:39:22So it's the one we've been used to with the previous iPads.
0:39:25Talking about Touch ID and hardware stuff, is there a Taptic motor in this device?
0:39:30No.
0:39:31Okay, so there's no vibrate motoring because I don't believe any other iPads have had yeah, no, it doesn't vibrate. Yeah, okay
0:39:38My only reason thinking that is like games and stuff, but it's never been a thing that's been there before okay
0:39:43Yeah, so to wrap up the hardware
0:39:45I thought we could talk real quick about some of the it's like the pure tech spec so
0:39:49Federica you mentioned it's got four gigs of RAM. Yes, which is of course
0:39:54The most that we've seen in a iOS device and I imagine that is all about that multitasking experience
0:40:01Can you tell the difference between the iPad Air 2 and the Pro in this regard?
0:40:06Yeah, it's a bit snappier, it's more responsive, and when you use a full screen app like Safari,
0:40:12and you open a bunch of tabs, you can tell that it's keeping those tabs longer in memory.
0:40:17So it's not a massive difference from the iPad Air 2, but it's noticeably faster, snappier, more responsive.
0:40:23Some animations are quicker and I've been fine with the performance.
0:40:31It makes me more efficient because when I put up two apps side by side, I can switch between Safari tabs.
0:40:40The extensions, something like Workflow, if it needs to work with a lot of data, so with a big video or with a big photo,
0:40:48The extension can use more RAM, so it works really nicely for me.
0:40:54And Federico, you mentioned that you have a 128, and there's two versions of the 128,
0:41:00one with Solia and one without.
0:41:04And then other than that, there's just the 32 WiFi, right?
0:41:06There's no 64GB.
0:41:09Do you think this is an issue from Apple?
0:41:13I don't know.
0:41:14I asked, and they wouldn't tell, of course, why they made this decision.
0:41:18can only imagine. It's strange to me that the base model is a 32 and not a 64. I can
0:41:25understand the sort of jump to 128, because for people who are going to use this as their
0:41:31main computer, you put in a lot of games, a lot of movies, a lot of documents, so you
0:41:36want to use this as a computer, you need the 128. So that I understand. I don't understand
0:41:42why the base model is the 32 version and not the 64 gig one. Maybe there's some kind of
0:41:50... Steven has a theory that it's a supply chain issue. I'm coming up empty. Or maybe
0:41:57they just want to push people to buy the 128 gig model because it's more money and more
0:42:04revenue. I don't know.
0:42:05- Yeah, it's a little odd, but we've complained
0:42:08for a while now about odd storage issues
0:42:10with iOS devices, you know.
0:42:12It may be a parts issue, I don't know if they're using
0:42:14the same parts for storage here as they are
0:42:16in the 6S and 6S Plus, where I think a lot of people
0:42:20are buying the 64, because it's that,
0:42:22the way the thing is set up now.
0:42:26But I agree too, that if this is a device
0:42:30that Apple sees as a true computer replacement
0:42:34that maybe they think, hey, you know what,
0:42:36128 gigs is a lot better of a situation to be in.
0:42:41It's gonna give you more breathing room,
0:42:43it's gonna feel more like a computer
0:42:46in a traditional sense if you have that more storage space.
0:42:50So maybe they're sort of leading you to that 128
0:42:52like they do on the iPhones,
0:42:54but I think it's fine either way.
0:42:57I mean, it's just sort of an interesting thing
0:42:59to think about in light of all the other storage issues
0:43:03we've talked about.
0:43:04The limiting of the cellular to the 128 version is also just a peculiar choice, because that's
0:43:09not something that they do with other iPads.
0:43:11No, they allow you to choose any configuration with any kind of storage and WiFi plus cellular
0:43:18connection.
0:43:19So, that's interesting.
0:43:23The cellular is the kind of premium that you can only get if you go all in with the iPad
0:43:27Pro.
0:43:28What's crazy about that is since like the beginning of iPad time, it's been 130 bucks
0:43:35to add cellular data.
0:43:37So you could buy the 16 gig and spend another $130 and get the cellular.
0:43:43So it's not like the margins would be less on the 32 gig.
0:43:50They're still going to charge that premium to add the cellular anyway.
0:43:55That makes no sense to me.
0:43:56I really would like to know why they they made that decision again. Maybe it's to say hey, you know what this
0:44:02Review this as a machine that is going to be used in an office in a home office and you know in a professional
0:44:10environment where you're gonna have Wi-Fi and
0:44:13maybe there's something it's as important here as it is on something like the mini or the air - but
0:44:19Why take that option away from your customers is something that I just I don't get it. Yeah
0:44:25Yeah, it's very strange. All right, we should talk about iOS 9 and how iOS 9 feels on the iPad Pro
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0:47:10- You know, when we look back,
0:47:12there's always interesting things that come out.
0:47:15You can connect the dots once you're kind of past them.
0:47:17And I think there have been a lot of dots leading
0:47:20to this device.
0:47:22So we have the iPad Air 2, which came out last year
0:47:26and all of a sudden, this thing is sort of ridiculous, right?
0:47:31There's so much power here.
0:47:32can do so much and then iOS 9 comes out with all this multitasking slide over
0:47:37split view picture-in-picture that the power in the Air 2 especially since they
0:47:43didn't rev it this year make a lot of sense now right the hardware sort of
0:47:47maybe outpaced the software for a second and and now iOS 9 and the Air 2 feel
0:47:52really well matched and the iPad Pro I think is just another step in that
0:47:58direction right so you know multitasking might be a little tight on the Air 2
0:48:02probably really tight on a mini 4 but on a Pro like you said Federico you get
0:48:06these nice iPad portrait apps side-by-side. We're going to talk a little
0:48:11bit about that but I was wondering are there ways that it doesn't make sense
0:48:14yet or are we in that situation again where the hardware is outpacing the
0:48:17software in areas in your mind? Well when it comes to multitasking they make a lot
0:48:25of sense together especially when you want to use two full-size apps and you
0:48:30get the feeling and the power to do so. There are some parts of the iOS 9
0:48:37interface that could use a little more creativity because they show a lot of
0:48:43potential. So the home screen is totally the same on the iPad Pro. You get the
0:48:48same 5x4 grid of app icons, excluding the docking landscape, and
0:48:55and they're just only more spaced out. So there's no additional room for more icons,
0:49:03no special usage of the bigger home screen, and folders are totally the same. Control center,
0:49:11when used in landscape, it just shows more white space between the toggles. So they look really
0:49:20weird when you're used to having the tight control center icons.
0:49:25And they totally scream, "Hey, let's put more toggles in here. We got room for them.
0:49:32You can put in additional shortcuts if you want, but you can't."
0:49:35So it is strange to look at the home screen, to look at control center.
0:49:39And on the other hand, Apple has done some new things for iOS 9.
0:49:44So in Notification Center, you get a mini monthly calendar at the top,
0:49:49next to today's date. You see this little monthly calendar which is useful when you want to pull down and see upcoming weeks and days of the month.
0:49:59Or of course the software keyboard is totally different from the Apple Air 2.
0:50:04So they have done some things and in typical Apple fashion they have chosen some areas to focus on for the 1.0
0:50:16and some other parts of the interface are clearly not done.
0:50:21They're not unusable. They're just the same as the previous generation.
0:50:25So you can see the potential there.
0:50:27And I wouldn't be surprised to see new things coming to the home screen on the iPad Pro.
0:50:35It just feels very lonely, you know, to look at those app icons, to look at those control center shortcuts.
0:50:42You can see the space for innovation, the space for additional shortcuts to save time, to jump between apps.
0:50:51I don't know. You just can see the potential. It's just not there yet.
0:50:55So, I would say that iOS 9 and the iPad Pro, they make sense together.
0:51:01And in some areas, Apple has done some customizations that are really welcome.
0:51:06But there's a few aspects that need more time and need more work.
0:51:12Maybe Apple designers themselves need to understand what people want.
0:51:16They need to look at the home screen, to look at Control Center and say
0:51:21"What can we do to better organize apps?"
0:51:25Maybe the most obvious answer is "Let's put more apps on the first page."
0:51:29I don't know, but do something with that space.
0:51:33In Control Center, just allow users to define their own shortcuts.
0:51:38The space of Control Center on the iPad Pro
0:51:42basically begs for more shortcuts in there.
0:51:46The Control Center UI reminds me of what the notification view was like
0:51:51until iOS 9.
0:51:53It wasn't until 9 that Apple realized that
0:51:56just swiping down and seeing one whole list of icons doesn't make sense,
0:52:01because with 9 you got the ability to have the split view between notifications and widgets.
0:52:06So it shows that there is the ability to do more there, but I think what it does show is it sometimes takes a little bit longer than it should.
0:52:14One of the things that you mentioned in your review was a growing frustration in the SlideOver UI
0:52:20that has been really put to the test with the iPad Pro. Can you explain what that is?
0:52:26So the SlideOver UI is when you're swiping from the right edge of the screen to bring up the last used app in SlideOver
0:52:34and when you then swipe down from the status bar of the SlideOver app, you see the SlideOver App Picker
0:52:42which is this vertical tray of three icons at a time that already in September I was arguing that it could have used a better way to organize apps
0:52:53apps and to let you find apps to use in multitasking.
0:52:58And two months after the public release of iOS 9, I totally believe that the SlideOver
0:53:02App Picker is the single iOS 9 feature that's aging badly.
0:53:09It is very annoying to find an app that you used a couple of days ago, because there's
0:53:13no search bar.
0:53:14So you've got to scroll all the way to the top and look at the icons and see, "Oh, hey,
0:53:18that's the app I want to use in SlideOver."
0:53:21It's a slow process.
0:53:22a tedious process to find all these apps with no organization. The list isn't compact, so
0:53:28it's not a grid and you can look at a bunch of icons at a time. You can only see three
0:53:33icons in a single screen, so you need to swipe slowly, look at each icon and say "yep, that's
0:53:37the app". On the iPad Pro, because the screen is so big, it becomes even more annoying because
0:53:45Apple didn't use the increased space for showing you more icons in the slide over.
0:53:52It's scales, right? I assume that the blocks are still as big.
0:53:56That's a way you really could have made that easier, was like shrinking that down.
0:54:00I don't even know why they used the big card interface there. Just icons would be perfectly acceptable.
0:54:06And even, also because you know, only the most recently used app
0:54:12uses the card as a sort of screenshot preview of your last activity in the app.
0:54:18Which is weird, right? Because it looks like it's meant to be modeled on the multitasking view.
0:54:22That's kind of where the UI comes from.
0:54:25But it doesn't use the multitasking view like where the previews.
0:54:31It's very peculiar.
0:54:32No, it just shows you a lighter gray background.
0:54:36Which is great. That's what I want.
0:54:38So I would really like to see a way to search apps in there, maybe a grid layout.
0:54:45If you don't want to use cards, just let me choose to have a more compact grade of apps.
0:54:50So I can look at maybe 10 to 12 icons at a time.
0:54:53And maybe even let me say, "Hey, I never want to use this app in the slide-over or in multitasking,
0:55:00so I don't want to see my content blocker in there.
0:55:03I'm not going to switch back and forth between Safari and my content blocker.
0:55:08If I want to change settings, I go to the content blocker app.
0:55:11There's a lot of apps, or games for that matter,
0:55:14There's really a lot of apps that don't make any sense in the slide-over menu, but there's no way to turn them off.
0:55:20So when you're scrolling the list, you've got to see them all until you find the app you're looking for.
0:55:24And on the iPad Pro that becomes a problem because the UI just scales, and they don't take advantage of the bigger screen to simplify the process of finding apps in the app picker there.
0:55:33Let's talk about the software keyboard for a moment, because I know that you've got some frustrations with this.
0:55:38Can you explain some of the sweeping changes that Apple have made, some of the enhancements,
0:55:43but also how they're affecting you on a daily basis?
0:55:46So the main idea is to replicate the feeling and the functionality of a desktop keyboard,
0:55:51of a magic keyboard.
0:55:53You see there's a number row at the top, always shown.
0:55:58There's special characters on top of numbers.
0:56:00There's a bunch of extra keys on each side of the keyboard.
0:56:04And it's really meant to replicate the way that you work on a physical keyboard on your
0:56:07Mac on an iPad Pro, on a software keyboard. Which is a great idea in theory.
0:56:12It's a great idea because there's going to be a lot of people switching from
0:56:14laptops or from notebooks to an iPad Pro so they can
0:56:17be instantly familiar with the keyboard. The problem here,
0:56:22and I remember I was going crazy for this, Apple is using
0:56:26a US English layout for the keys. So for listeners who don't know, live in America
0:56:31and have no idea about international keyboards,
0:56:33Physical keyboards have minor but important changes across different countries.
0:56:40So in America, the delete key, the backspace key, whatever you want to call it, is not
0:56:49directly on top of the return key.
0:56:53There's I believe square brackets in between return and delete on the right side of the
0:56:58keyboard.
0:56:59In Italy, and I believe in the UK as well, and in other European countries, the delete
0:57:05key sits on physical keyboards for computers. The delete key sits directly on top of the
0:57:12return or enter key.
0:57:15We call it return, and it's shaped like a beautiful upside-down boot.
0:57:18Yeah. And so when I'm sliding with my hand on the right side of the keyboard, just by
0:57:24feel. I can tell the return key and I can tell the delete key is a rectangle directly on top of the keyboard.
0:57:31On the iPad Pro, I use the US English keyboard, which has a different layout of the Italian one.
0:57:38And of course, it's got this delete key that's not directly on top of return. And that's okay, you know, I get why they're
0:57:46kinda finding a way to replicate the US English layout of physical keyboards on a software keyboard.
0:57:53The problem is, when I switch to the software Italian keyboard, which I use for texting my mom or my girlfriend or just doing searches on Google in Italian,
0:58:04they only change the glyphs on the keys, the icons, so the delete glyph is different, but the layout and the shape of the keys is the same.
0:58:16So it's an Italian keyboard in that it's got Italian icons and it writes in Italian
0:58:22But it doesn't use the Italian keyboard layout.
0:58:25Yeah, it uses the little icon that says return, right?
0:58:29Like so the little arrow, but the key shape is the same.
0:58:33Is that what you're saying?
0:58:33The key shape is the same and the placement of the delete key is not as the keyboard
0:58:38I'm looking at right now on my Mac
0:58:41So I got delete on top of return on the iPad Pro when I switched to the software Italian keyboard
0:58:47The delete key is not on top of return. There's a bunch of keys in between them
0:58:52It's a real interesting oversight, right? Because they've identified that something needs to change
0:58:55but they haven't changed what they actually need to change. Yeah, and
0:59:00It took me a couple of days. I was going crazy
0:59:06adjusting to you know to this different layout and I realized that my situation is a bit peculiar because I'm in Italy
0:59:13but I write in English and my audience is primarily American so I use the US key English keyboard and
0:59:19For me the struggle was going from the IPAD R2 keyboard the software one, which I used on a daily basis
0:59:26I mostly use the software keyboard when I work from my iPad
0:59:29So I needed to go
0:59:32from that keyboard to the US English software keyboard on the iPad Pro, which has a different layout.
0:59:39On the iPad Air 2, the delete key is on the right side. On the iPad Pro,
0:59:44there's a bunch of keys underneath the delete key, so I was always typing them instead of deleting characters.
0:59:50So that's for the US English.
0:59:52So I think I got two problems trying to get used to. The US English layout itself and
0:59:58and the fact that the Italian software keyboard doesn't switch to the physical Italian keyboard.
1:00:04So it's a...
1:00:05Maybe my situation is a bit odd,
1:00:07but I totally believe that Apple should, if they want to replicate the layout of physical keyboards,
1:00:15they should be correctly doing so and they should be accurate.
1:00:18I don't think it's gonna be that weird because I'm gonna have the exact same problem.
1:00:22Right? The keyboard is not going to be
1:00:26laid out as I would expect it to be even though it's gonna have
1:00:29All of the it's gonna understand that is a British keyboard
1:00:33It's gonna have the glyphs as they should be but the layout is gonna be different which is gonna be very peculiar for me to try
1:00:38And get get used to yeah, and on the on the app side
1:00:42All these extra once I get used to it and it took me a few days and I'm still
1:00:49typing characters I don't want to type when I want to delete a few characters on the text field.
1:00:56The upside is that the extra characters always shown
1:01:01at the same time in the main keyboard view and especially the number row and the special characters on top of numbers,
1:01:08they came really in handy for me for editing markdown, so I get easier access to square brackets,
1:01:15easier access to numbers.
1:01:18So once I got used to it, it was really nice because even when writing scripts in Pythonista,
1:01:25these special characters are useful to have on the main keyboard, so I don't have to switch between different views of the keyboard.
1:01:32But another thing that has me going crazy, you know the little 1, 2, 3 key on the keyboard that lets you switch to only the special character and number mode?
1:01:45And you know that there's a little globe key next to it.
1:01:48Well, the placement of the globe key and the 1-2-3 key has been reversed on the iPad Pro.
1:01:56For a reason! Nobody can explain!
1:02:00For reasons unknown, every time I go, instinctively reach out to the 1-2-3 key, I switch keyboards with the globe key.
1:02:11I either switch to the emoji one or I switch to Italian.
1:02:15I don't understand why the globe icon is now the first one
1:02:19instead of being in the second spot, I believe. It's on the iPad R2,
1:02:23on the iPhone, it's always been that way, I believe.
1:02:27Or if they changed it, they changed it a couple of years ago and now on
1:02:31every other device it's in the second spot, in the bottom row, on the left
1:02:35most side corner. Now the position is different on the iPad Pro
1:02:39So every time, just with my left index, I go reach out for that key, I change keyboards, and I'm like "Oh no, not again".
1:02:47I don't understand why there's this change. I honestly have no idea.
1:02:54Maybe the theory is that, again, to replicate a physical keyboard, the globe key needed to be out of the way?
1:03:04I don't know. Coming up empty with explanations. No idea.
1:03:09Seems crazy to me that that would change. It's such a muscle memory thing that worries me.
1:03:13So one other thing that's different on the iPad Pro keyboard is that there's no more split keyboard.
1:03:19And I'm pretty sure that the most loyal Scott Forsthold fans will be upset here.
1:03:25The split keyboard famously introduced by Forrestal back in the iOS 5 days on the iPad is now gone on the iPad Pro.
1:03:35You can still undock the keyboard so you can use it as a full-size keyboard, not necessarily at the bottom, so you can move it around vertically, but you can no longer split the keyboard.
1:03:47keyboard. I don't know, I'm not particularly sad. It is a bit strange that they're doing it now,
1:03:55when you consider that maybe some people, not me, but some people could find this useful because the
1:04:00iPad Pro is wider and having the ability to have a split keyboard on each side could make it a
1:04:07little easier for them. But I never used it, I'm not really sad. And it was a long time coming,
1:04:15I was actually surprised that it was still around with iOS 9, so maybe the iPad Pro offered a nice opportunity for a clean break.
1:04:22I don't know, are you guys sad that the split keyboard is gone?
1:04:26I am, because I use it, and it feels like it would be more useful to me to have it here.
1:04:30Really, you use it?
1:04:31Yeah, I do use it.
1:04:32It's more comfortable to hit the middle keys on the keyboard when in portrait.
1:04:37It looks kind of terrible, man.
1:04:39Oh, it looks terrible, but it's functional.
1:04:40It's very functional.
1:04:41You don't have to stretch your hands so much to hit the middle keys when you're typing
1:04:45in portrait.
1:04:46So I've always really liked it and now it's going to be even more difficult to type in
1:04:51portrait because the thing is huge.
1:04:53It's like a landscape iPad.
1:04:55So it feels like this is the only real iPad to me where the split keyboard would be super
1:05:00useful to more people.
1:05:02But now they've gotten rid of it.
1:05:03Yeah.
1:05:04I agree with Myke 100%.
1:05:06Which is kind of peculiar.
1:05:08But you know I guess if I need it that much there are third party keyboards that will
1:05:11be able to help me.
1:05:12Eh, do you really want to use the third party keyboard, Myke?
1:05:15No, especially when it's more difficult to switch between them now because they've moved
1:05:18the bons now.
1:05:20Yes.
1:05:21By the way, switching between third party keyboards seems to be a little faster on the
1:05:26iPad Pro.
1:05:27It takes 4 gigs of RAM to switch between keyboards.
1:05:30That's what the extra RAM is there for.
1:05:32I didn't include this in the review, I kind of just want to mention it in passing with
1:05:35you guys, but it seems like a fraction of a second faster, but could be a placebo effect,
1:05:40Maybe my brain is just looking at this fast device and saying, "Yeah, switching keyboards is also faster."
1:05:46It seemed that way to me, but I'm not completely sure about it.
1:05:49That's why they moved the globe, because they wanted to show you how much quicker it was.
1:05:52Oh, yeah. That's the strategy there.
1:05:56Okay, guys, look, we did fix it. Keyboards are good now.
1:05:59Federico, last week on the show we were talking about you using multiple iPads in the past to do the monthly results stuff.
1:06:08I assume that tasks like this with the split view, with it looking like basically two iPads next to each other, make things like this a lot easier for you on a day-to-day basis.
1:06:17Yeah. You don't get the problem of the Apet Air 2 when splitting the screen in two apps shows you two apps, for sure.
1:06:27But it also gives you a compact layout, which often hides some controls or forces you to swipe to reveal sidebars and other menus.
1:06:37Here you get exactly two portrait apps at the same time, so you get a regular vertical layout.
1:06:45And it helps for, again, there's a few different examples.
1:06:50Safari shows tabs and controls at the top.
1:06:55Many apps don't use action sheets that come up from the bottom.
1:07:02they instead use popovers on the iPad Pro, so you can see these little menus
1:07:07instead of a model menu that takes half of the screen.
1:07:12It's a series of little differences, and it's all based on size classes for iOS,
1:07:18which developers have started to use last year, and then they're highly used to
1:07:24power the multitasking interface of iOS 9 on the iPad.
1:07:28For me, and the kind of usage that I do with the iPad and with iOS 9, I would say that the iPad Pro brings the true expression of iOS 9 multitasking,
1:07:43because it's really two full-size apps at the same time. It feels like there's no compromise there.
1:07:50And on the iPad R2, it's more like saying "Yeah, we can do two apps at the same time"
1:07:56and it's great.
1:07:57And I've used it since June, I wrote my entire review using iOS 9 multitasking, it was amazing.
1:08:04On the iPad Pro, it's better.
1:08:05Simply because you get two bigger apps and you get the same layouts that you're used
1:08:10to, which is a very important thing to note.
1:08:15Because when you're using apps in fullscreen, switching to split view doesn't have an increased
1:08:21cognitive load on you.
1:08:23You don't have to remember "oh yeah, when I split the screen, the controls change".
1:08:27They're always in the same spot, which helps a lot when working with touch on the iPad.
1:08:31That's a really, really interesting point.
1:08:33I hadn't considered that, but yeah, because I guess on the iPad Pro a lot of apps are
1:08:38being scaled up, right?
1:08:40So when you put them into split view, because it's still so big, they don't need to do that.
1:08:45they don't need to change.
1:08:46- Yep, exactly.
1:08:48So my favorite example is Safari.
1:08:51Again, I use the app all the time.
1:08:52And I'm so used to having tabs on the iPad
1:08:57just below the address bar.
1:08:59When I use Split View with Safari on the iPad R2,
1:09:02I'm annoyed every single time it changes
1:09:04to a compact layout,
1:09:05which has the little tab icon in the bottom right corner.
1:09:08So when you tap it, you get the iPhone tab view.
1:09:12you don't get the horizontal list of tabs at the top,
1:09:16you get a little carousel of tabs.
1:09:19On the iPad Pro, even when you use Split View,
1:09:22it still keeps the tabs at the top,
1:09:25just below the address bar,
1:09:26which is super convenient to move between
1:09:28a bunch of websites when you're multitasking.
1:09:30That's my favorite example by far.
1:09:32- What about some third-party apps?
1:09:36Have you had any good experiences or bad experiences
1:09:39with the idea of the increased screen size
1:09:42split view? One of my favorite experiences has been Tweetbot, because in portrait mode it shows
1:09:49the second column, so on the iPad R2 you get the second column only in landscape. On the iPad Pro
1:09:56you also get it in portrait because it's bigger. That's nice. I still think that top bots should
1:10:03consider having three columns in landscape because there's really a lot of space available.
1:10:10they could use a third column in landscape on the iPad Pro.
1:10:14The interesting thing about the Tweetbot is, so I like to use it a lot on my iPad,
1:10:18but I use it a lot in portrait view because I like to be able to see my,
1:10:22like when I read my tweets, just to have that kind of an uninterrupted experience.
1:10:26So is that something that I'm going to miss when using it on the iPad Pro?
1:10:31Yes.
1:10:31Or is the fact that because there's so much screen size,
1:10:35I kind of get a real good view of the single column and then there's just another column there
1:10:40there as well? Or is it gonna feel cramped for me still to have two columns there?
1:10:44Okay, so no, it won't feel cramped because there is space available, Myke. It's just
1:10:51a matter of taste and visual preference. Do you like having a second column or
1:10:57just does it distract you too much? Because if that's the case, maybe there
1:11:03should be a preference for users who never want to see the second column
1:11:08in portrait, but it's not a problem of available space. The first column still is bigger, wider,
1:11:14and it gives you more room for tweets. So it's just a matter of visual clutter. Do you want to see that or not?
1:11:21Maybe it should be a preference, I don't know.
1:11:25Other third-party apps that were really nice. I'm testing this new... not testing, I bought it from the App Store.
1:11:32or I'm seeing if it works for me. This clipboard manager for iOS is called "copied"
1:11:38and it's nice because in Split View
1:11:41it
1:11:43it shows you not just the list of
1:11:46items that you've copied to the clipboard, it also shows you a detailed view for the selected item.
1:11:54So on the iPad Earth, of course
1:11:56it only shows a list and then you get a tap and you get the detailed view. On the iPad Pro when you're in Split View
1:12:01view, you get both the list and the detailed view on the right side. So that was nice.
1:12:06I saved a bunch of items into this app, so having the two views available at the same
1:12:12time, that's a nice time saving. I didn't really have any problems getting used to apps
1:12:19with a split view or at a bigger size. In fact, it was only a benefit to have more consistent
1:12:29views when switching to multitasking. If you use a lot of third-party apps, I generally
1:12:37believe that the iPad Pro is a very good update because you get used to a full-screen layout.
1:12:46When you switch to the split-view layout on the iPad Pro, it's still the same one. It's
1:12:51only slightly narrower than the iPad 2, but you really cannot tell the difference.
1:12:59I would say, Myke, that there wasn't any problem getting used to it.
1:13:03In fact, another nice feature was on the iPad R2, the shortcut bar, you know, the little
1:13:12shortcuts on each side of QuickType, the suggestions on top of the keyboard, on the smaller iPad,
1:13:19you often get a popover if there's no room for shortcuts.
1:13:24So you get a popover to choose shortcuts.
1:13:29On the iPad Pro, because the keyboard is wider, the shortcuts are always shown without the
1:13:34popover, so there's no second step.
1:13:36You always get those icons on top of the keyboard, and there's no other list grouping them.
1:13:44So overall, I didn't have any problems getting used to third-party apps.
1:13:50It was only beneficial to me, I would say.
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1:16:03- So one of the big parts of the iPad Pro story,
1:16:06of course, are the accessories.
1:16:09And I, for one, because I'm leading this section,
1:16:12would like to start with the pencil
1:16:14'cause I think that's the most interesting
1:16:17and I'm gonna, Federica, I'm gonna read something
1:16:19that you wrote.
1:16:20You say, "First, allow me to get this out of my system.
1:16:24"The Apple Pencil is not the iPad Pro's primary input system
1:16:28"that's still your finger and multi-touch."
1:16:31- My understanding is that they've blown it now, right?
1:16:34'Cause it's a stylus, is that right?
1:16:35They blew it, right?
1:16:36That's the thing?
1:16:37- Do we have to address that?
1:16:39I'm not even gonna address it.
1:16:44And rewatching the iPad Pro introduction from September,
1:16:48that's something that they say multiple times.
1:16:51The pencil is a supplementary input method.
1:16:55But it's one that I think is really interesting
1:16:58'cause they haven't done it before.
1:17:00There's the quote that people take out of context
1:17:02and there's, you know, it potentially opens it up
1:17:05to a whole new type of creativity and that sort of thing.
1:17:10So how is it, how's the pencil?
1:17:12First it really feels like a pencil, like the size is much taller than I expected it to be and
1:17:17it feels great in the hand. It's light,
1:17:21it's, I mean it's white so
1:17:24some people won't like it because it kind of stands out if you have a black iPad.
1:17:28But it feels really nice, so as an object, it feels very nice.
1:17:34The performance on the screen is impressive and it feels very natural.
1:17:41natural ink or sketches. Lines follow the tip of the pencil very closely.
1:17:50And if you're moving the pencil slowly, there's no perceptible delay between a line appearing on screen and the tip of the pencil moving slowly on the display.
1:18:02If you accelerate the drawing a little bit, there's a tiny, tiny latency between the two,
1:18:09but it's much, much, much better than any other stylus I've tried on the iPad before.
1:18:15And the result is, it's by far the best performing stylus I've ever tried, and even if I'm not
1:18:25an artist and I don't need to annotate documents on my iPad on a daily basis, I've always bought
1:18:32you know, Stylie on the iPad, just to try them out and see, you know, is this gonna be better for me if I wanna, I don't know, use Evernote with a bunch of PDFs.
1:18:44For some reason I kept on buying, you know, Stylie for my iPad. I don't know why.
1:18:50But the Pencil is really something else. And it's a combination of hardware and software.
1:18:56APIs that Apple launched with IS9, predictive touches and coalesced touches. They help in
1:19:03getting the iPad screen to recognize and to reduce latency between the pencil, the tip
1:19:10on the screen and the lines appearing.
1:19:13I tried the pencil with notes and with some third-party apps that I downloaded from the
1:19:19App Store or that I got access via TestFlight. I tried it with paper, with
1:19:26Evernote, I tried it with Adobe Sketch which is a sketching app from
1:19:34the Adobe guys. What else? I tried even other apps that weren't necessarily based
1:19:41on sketching and annotations such as I think it's called Complete Anatomy. It's
1:19:47from 3D for medical and it was done on stage.
1:19:51Oh yeah.
1:19:52The one where they were drawing bone, horrifyingly, right?
1:19:56You can also cut muscles and see what's underneath.
1:19:59Stop!
1:20:01Never using that app.
1:20:04From an educational perspective it's really nice because you can make these precise cuts
1:20:09and see what the human body is like.
1:20:12Perfect.
1:20:13So you get this 3D figure and you can use the tip of the pencil too.
1:20:20Basically, it's like surgery. You get a cut precisely and you see what's underneath, so you can see the bones, you can see the muscles.
1:20:27It's very cool and uses the 3D graphics of the iPad Pro so you can zoom and pan around. Very nicely done.
1:20:34But anyway, my main use case for the pencil when testing it was using the Notes app.
1:20:39And it just feels like writing on paper.
1:20:43So I don't write on paper much.
1:20:45And I realized that I'm talking to one of the guys who has a pen podcast.
1:20:49What's up? I have many questions.
1:20:50Hey, Myke, sorry. Sorry.
1:20:52Just let me say sorry in advance.
1:20:54If I'm going to say things that you don't like or don't, you know, please forgive me, Myke, whatever.
1:21:00It feels like writing on a piece of paper to me.
1:21:04And again, I say this as someone who doesn't write on paper much, but the palm rejection is nearly perfect.
1:21:11So I can rest my entire wrist and arm on the iPad Pro, so I can just, you know, rest my...
1:21:19a good portion of my forearm on the display and it won't recognize any touches,
1:21:25so it won't draw one of those accidental lines that you always get when you try third-party stylus
1:21:32and an app that's not built for the pencil.
1:21:35Here that's not the case.
1:21:37When you can rest your arm on the display
1:21:39and you can draw with the pencil,
1:21:40you can write, you can sketch,
1:21:42and you only get the rendering,
1:21:45the ink or the lines from the pencil.
1:21:48So it's very well done.
1:21:50I did trigger a couple of accidental lines,
1:21:55usually in the bottom half of the display.
1:21:59So I don't know if the iPad Pro is doing polymer ejection like in a circle around the pencil.
1:22:06I have no idea.
1:22:07Or maybe just a software issue.
1:22:09I would say that I got 90% accuracy, which is very impressive.
1:22:16So I think a way to tell about how Apple is doing the polymer ejection.
1:22:19Can you move anything on the interface whilst using the pencil?
1:22:23No.
1:22:24In fact, when you, it's weird to describe,
1:22:28if you, even if you activate Split View,
1:22:31so you put two apps side by side,
1:22:33one that has an input field for the pencil
1:22:37and another like, I don't know, Slack or Splitbot.
1:22:40You can draw on the left side with a pencil,
1:22:44you can rest your palm of your hands on the Split View app
1:22:49and it won't do anything.
1:22:51So even when you're using two apps at the same time,
1:22:53Palmer Ejection applies globally to the display and it's very well done.
1:22:57So what it's doing, it seems like, is as soon as the pencil comes into contact with the iPad
1:23:02it shuts off all other input.
1:23:04Probably.
1:23:05Yeah, which is sensible because you typically won't need it.
1:23:09Because I would assume, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, that as soon as you lift the
1:23:14tip you can move things.
1:23:17Well you can zoom, you can select controls.
1:23:19Yeah, that's when the tip of the pencil is off the paper.
1:23:23I actually haven't tried to just hold in the pencil, and I don't know if it's even possible to hold the pencil on the screen
1:23:31and select a bunch of menus at the same time with another finger.
1:23:35I guess I didn't try this because when I'm drawing I'm concentrating on the lines and actually using the pencil.
1:23:43But my idea is that yes, when you're...
1:23:47And again, I didn't confirm this with Apple.
1:23:49So it's just my speculation.
1:23:51But when I'm touching the screen with the pencil, it blocks everything else.
1:23:55So those accidental lines that I got were maybe a problem in between lifting the pencil and just triggering a touch.
1:24:04But again, 90 to 95% accuracy.
1:24:09I remember reading the first impressions from the Pixar guys and the Disney guys and they said it's nearly perfect and they were totally right.
1:24:18It's nearly perfect. It's not 100% perfect but it's almost there.
1:24:22I need to ask you some very specific questions now.
1:24:25Okay.
1:24:26Something I would really like to understand is how the iPad Pro and the Pencil work together for handwriting.
1:24:34So can you take, for example, what would effectively be a blank sheet of paper
1:24:40and write like you would normally write? Does it come up really small and really precise?
1:24:45Because one of the problems of previous iPads, you've had to zoom in to make it look like the size of handwriting.
1:24:52Can you write as if you were writing on a piece of paper? Will it accept input that is that small?
1:24:56Yes, it does accept inputs that is smaller.
1:24:59So you gotta combine the pencil and the ink rendering of an app.
1:25:06So if you select a small pen and you maybe turn down the size, then if you use the pencil
1:25:14you're gonna be able to write small details or small letters and small handwriting in
1:25:18general.
1:25:20So basically, Apple have now created the iPad I always wanted.
1:25:24This is something I have always wanted.
1:25:27So, you know, something that I imagine is
1:25:29I take a lot of notes whilst recording during the shows.
1:25:32I could maybe use this type of device for that.
1:25:34I mean, I am a handwriting person.
1:25:37This is something that seems very interesting to me.
1:25:40Something else I've heard is that the texture
1:25:43of the touchscreen is slightly different on the iPad,
1:25:47which gives more of a resistance for when using the pencil.
1:25:50Is this something that you've personally noticed?
1:25:53Maybe a little bit.
1:25:54Yeah, I've heard it's not a lot, but it gives some feedback when you're drawing the pencil
1:25:59across the screen so it feels a little less like rubber on glass.
1:26:05Maybe it has a tiny bit of resistance, but it wasn't a big deal to me really.
1:26:10It's not like when you're moving, the pencil just glides across the display.
1:26:14You don't get friction.
1:26:16I noticed this and I thought that maybe the problem was me, but now that you mention it,
1:26:21it is a little change in the screen. When you use your finger it feels a little different
1:26:27from the Apet Air 2, but again it's a very tiny difference.
1:26:31Okay.
1:26:32Yeah.
1:26:33Yeah, so that would be a good thing for me, right? So I'll be looking forward to reporting
1:26:37back on just how much this feels like a good pen on good paper.
1:26:41I don't want you to be disappointed, Myke.
1:26:43No, no.
1:26:44You're an expert.
1:26:45The thing is I will always perfectly understand that it's rubber on glass. It's never going
1:26:49feel like some of the good tools that I have, but just some of the basic
1:26:53ideas of the fact that this could work for somebody that wants to use
1:26:56handwriting software, this is a big boon for the device that I'm
1:27:01very excited about.
1:27:03Yeah, I think based on what I've seen, I've seen my
1:27:06girlfriend write. I really basically forgot how to handwrite, but I tried and
1:27:12it's fine, especially because you can rest your entire hand, you know, when writing.
1:27:17So it feels like writing on a notebook with a pen.
1:27:20That's the important part. Using hover hand is no way to go.
1:27:23Oh yeah. You don't have to be careful with placing your hand on the screen.
1:27:27With the previous iPad slightly, you needed to be careful,
1:27:30like holding the stylus in an unnatural position to make sure that you didn't accidentally touch the screen.
1:27:35That's not the case with the pencil.
1:27:37You can just rest your hand and write.
1:27:39Yeah.
1:27:40And I think a lot of people are going to ask this.
1:27:44can use the Pencil on older iPads? I mean, obviously you wouldn't have the touch sensitivity
1:27:50and that sort of stuff with the scanning, but does it work at all?
1:27:52No. At least in my tests it didn't.
1:27:55So it doesn't even act like a dumb stylus?
1:27:59No. So what it does is, when you... again, I tried.
1:28:04When you plug in the Pencil into the iPad Pro, it shows you a pairing request.
1:28:12So you get a dialogue that says "do you want to connect to the Apple Pencil?"
1:28:15You say yes, and then it shows up in the Bluetooth preferences.
1:28:18What I also tried is I turned off Bluetooth on my iPad Pro, so it was no longer connected to the pencil,
1:28:24I plugged in the pencil on my iPad Air 2, and it didn't bring up the permission to connect to the pencil,
1:28:31and I couldn't use it at all on my iPad Air 2.
1:28:34So like, you open the Notes app, you put the pencil tip on there, and it doesn't recognize it?
1:28:40Do you want me to try now?
1:28:42I want to, yeah, this is something I think is quite important.
1:28:45Let me try again.
1:28:46Yeah, try that, because that is a...
1:28:48That would be really interesting because it means that they're using a very peculiar tip.
1:28:52Yeah, let me try for a second.
1:28:54[Music]
1:28:59Okay, so I get the pencil right here and my iPad Air 2.
1:29:04Plug in the pencil into the iPad
1:29:09and I get no permission to use the pencil.
1:29:13So I can try to open the Notes app.
1:29:15Just open the Notes app and see if it will recognize any kind of touch.
1:29:18I bring up a new note,
1:29:20and I switch to the drawing,
1:29:23and it does nothing.
1:29:25Man, that is crazy.
1:29:27Because basically it means that they have not got a capacitive tip on this.
1:29:30It's an iPad Pro only accessory.
1:29:33Hmm, and I'm more interested now than ever about what they're using to recognize the touch because I know that Bluetooth will wait
1:29:41But there are other Bluetooth styluses, but it means that the tip is not
1:29:45It's not built in the same way that other stylus are right because they use
1:29:50Whatever they use the conductive technology to make sure that it works, but how interesting all right
1:29:55Thank you for performing that real-world test. Yeah sure I really appreciate that
1:29:59I have one last question about the pencil and then we can move on to the keyboards.
1:30:02So I know one of the things that it does is if you can plug it in for 15 seconds
1:30:07and it gives you 30 minutes of charge, right?
1:30:09Yes.
1:30:09That's one of the great things about it. Can you do that continuously?
1:30:11What do you mean?
1:30:12So after it runs out after that half an hour, can you plug it in again?
1:30:16For another 15 seconds, get another half an hour?
1:30:18You can always plug it in.
1:30:20Because I just wondered how the battery technology works, right?
1:30:22Like if it was like you do that once and then you have to give it a full charge, but that's really cool.
1:30:28They don't give you any recommendation. You can just plug in the pencil and
1:30:32when you first connect the device to the iPad Pro, you get an additional icon in the batteries widget in Notification Center.
1:30:41That's what I hoped it would be.
1:30:42Yeah, just your pencil there and when you plug it into the iPad,
1:30:46the icon in the widget, it gets a charging indicator
1:30:53And you can always plug it in whenever you want. You also get an adapter in the box.
1:30:59So it's a female-female adapter, so you can use a cable to charge the pencil instead of an iOS device.
1:31:04And you really should do that, because when you plug in the pencil in an iOS device, I can confirm, it's kind of dangerous.
1:31:11Yeah, it's incredibly crazy. I'm happy that they gave the connector away, and I'm really puzzled that they didn't mention this on stage.
1:31:18because the idea of plugging that pencil into the iPad, you are begging for it to be broken.
1:31:24Yeah, and it kind of jiggles into the connector.
1:31:29Nope.
1:31:30You should have you thought about maybe putting the pencil in and then holding up the iPad like a sign?
1:31:34I did that.
1:31:36You do when you need to protest at home, right?
1:31:41You know one of those, I don't know if you've ever seen them, but one of those like religious
1:31:47things in Italy, there's like a priest holding up a cross. I tried to do that with my iPad
1:31:56and the pencil and it was really dangerous. I can't believe you actually did that with
1:31:59something that you don't own. That is crazy. I was being careful.
1:32:04Yes, of course you were, of course, Apple, if you're listening. We're more careful.
1:32:10First and only time. Don't try this at home, kids.
1:32:14surrounded by pillows.
1:32:15- Yep, I'm so proud of you.
1:32:17Alright, Stephen, ask some questions about the keyboard.
1:32:20You're a typing person.
1:32:21- So, from my perspective, as someone who,
1:32:25I have an iPad keyboard case now,
1:32:27I've got the Logitech Ultra Thin for the Air 2.
1:32:31It's great.
1:32:32I don't use it a lot.
1:32:34And looking at this smart keyboard,
1:32:37I wonder if it's something that I would use.
1:32:39Like, the pencil's way more interesting to me.
1:32:42You've got the smart keyboard Federico.
1:32:44My big concern with it is sort of
1:32:48from having used other keyboards like this.
1:32:50Like if you use the Surface,
1:32:52what is it, the Pro keyboard that they sell,
1:32:55and have used a bunch of iPad keyboards over the years.
1:32:58And for me it's all about the feel
1:33:00and the travel of the keys and sort of what the experience is
1:33:04and Federico I know you've just said it,
1:33:08like that you are a software keyboard user for the most part.
1:33:12So how is the smart keyboard?
1:33:14Is it worth, you know, the extra bulk and weight
1:33:17of carrying this thing around,
1:33:18or is it sort of something that you think
1:33:20a lot of people could do without?
1:33:22- The first two days, I just hated the smart keyboard.
1:33:27(laughing)
1:33:29I could, I felt like a dumb monkey
1:33:33trying to type on the smart keyboard the first two days.
1:33:36I was too small, very little travel between the keys, when pressing the keys, I just couldn't...
1:33:42and the layout was different, and all these differences combined, I was just going crazy.
1:33:49The third day, I woke up, went into the kitchen, started typing on the smart keyboard, and
1:33:55I basically almost finished my review on it.
1:33:59So I gave it 48 hours, and then, you know, it started working for me.
1:34:06And now I'm just loving it.
1:34:09So here's the thing.
1:34:11If you don't like keyboards with little travel when pressing down the keys, this is not for
1:34:18you.
1:34:19If you are in the camp of people who don't like the new MacBook keyboard, you're not
1:34:24gonna like this one because it's got even less travel.
1:34:26Yeah, and also it's not even plastic on the top, right?
1:34:29It's like that material.
1:34:30No, it's fabric.
1:34:31And when you... can I give you a little demo of the sound that it makes when you slide your fingers across the keys?
1:34:37This is a podcast, it feels like the perfect scenario.
1:34:40Okay, so this is the sound that the smart keyboard makes when you're typing on it.
1:34:45[Tapping]
1:34:47Ugh.
1:34:49And this is the sound that it makes when you're sliding your fingers across the fabric that covers the keys.
1:34:58[Tapping]
1:35:02Did you get that?
1:35:03Yeah, it sounds horrible. Like it sounds like there's nothing. Like you're just slapping some fabric. That's what it sounds like.
1:35:09It's kind of like that. So if you don't like small keyboards or very thin ones, you're not gonna like this one.
1:35:20But for people like me, with no particular preconception on small keyboards, travel, when pressing keys, I personally don't like clicky keyboards.
1:35:33keyboards and I realized this is like one of the worst things you could say to
1:35:39Mac nerds. I mean on a daily basis though you're just smashing your fingers into
1:35:45pieces of glass like you're not ever using a keyboard so anything is better in air quotes
1:35:51than then yeah because I don't want to make judgments on what is better and
1:35:55what is worse but anything is better right it's more travel any travel is
1:35:59more travel. Yeah, exactly. So for me, when pressing the keys is still better than not
1:36:06pressing anything on the screen, if I'm looking for the physical feel of pressing a key. On
1:36:14the third day, I got very used to the Smart Keyboard, and now I can type really fast on
1:36:21it. And the big difference here to understand is that the Smart Keyboard doubles as a cover,
1:36:28And that's a big advantage.
1:36:30And even if there's a... when you fold the keyboard back into the cover, it creates a
1:36:37little ridge on the front of the cover, because there's a keyboard behind it.
1:36:42And it's not very nice to look at, but in practice it adds some bulk to the iPad, but
1:36:50not as much as other keyboard cases do.
1:36:54And I feel like keyboards will see many types of keyboards like this, using the smart connector
1:37:01to transfer data and power, will see many types of these thin covers that also have
1:37:07a keyboard. And for me, the big thing is, when I put the smart keyboard on the iPad,
1:37:14it is both a cover and a keyboard in a single package, I can still put the iPad Pro in my
1:37:20bag and basically there's a gain in maybe half a centimeter which is no big deal, which
1:37:28is not exactly like using the Logitech keyboard case which adds a ton of bulk to the iPad
1:37:33Pro.
1:37:34Because you have one of those as well, don't you?
1:37:36Yes, yes.
1:37:37Apple gave me also a Logitech Create.
1:37:40It's a keyboard case and it's very nice.
1:37:44The keyboard is great.
1:37:45It's really like a MacBook keyboard.
1:37:47It's got an Italian layout, which I really appreciate.
1:37:50And unlike the Smart Keyboard, it has a shortcut row.
1:37:55So you get these iOS specific shortcuts.
1:37:59So like a home button, media controls, brightness, volume.
1:38:04It's really nice and it's backlit.
1:38:06It's very surprising to me that the Smart Keyboard doesn't have those shortcut keys.
1:38:12The backlight on that Logitech One though, man, that sounds really great.
1:38:17So that's one of the advantages of the smart connector, right? It transfers both data and
1:38:21power from the iPad to the keyboard and vice versa. So the logic that creates has two levels
1:38:29of backlight. It kind of dims the keys after a few seconds, then turns them off to save
1:38:36power of course, but as soon as you press this, and if you're constantly typing, it's
1:38:41always backlit, and it's very convenient when you're typing in the dark and you want to
1:38:46the keys. It's very nice. The problem is I really don't like the case part of the
1:38:52Logitech Create. It feels kind of cheap. It's plastic. It's covered in a nice
1:38:56textured fabric, which is cool, but the case itself, it's plastic. It feels cheap
1:39:02to me. I don't like how you get up, you know, place the iPad into the case, kind
1:39:06of force it into the corners. I don't like how the volume buttons are
1:39:14are covered by these contact buttons on top of it, and they have cheap stickers for plus and minus,
1:39:24which are already coming off in my review unit. So the keyboard is excellent. The case part feels a little rushed,
1:39:31which is too bad, because the keyboard is really nice. But, and here's the other thing that I also mentioned in the review,
1:39:39It depends on how you're gonna use the iPad Pro. If you're gonna use the device at a desk or in an office
1:39:44setup, if you're not gonna be traveling a lot with the iPad Pro, if it's really
1:39:48like a desktop computer for you, and when you don't need the case you can just take the iPad,
1:39:54you should consider the Logitech keyboard, because if your primary usage is
1:39:59sitting down, typing on a keyboard connected to the iPad Pro,
1:40:03it is a better physical keyboard for productivity. It's got the shortcuts,
1:40:08it's got backlight, it's bigger, so it really feels like a MacBook keyboard.
1:40:14And there's more travel when pressing keys, but if you're gonna travel with the iPad,
1:40:20if you wanna take the iPad with you, and you're looking for a solution that's bought a cover and a keyboard,
1:40:26I really recommend the Smart Keyboard. But, again, if you don't like thin keyboards,
1:40:32and if you don't like the fact that there's little travel on the keys, then I don't know.
1:40:37I would say my suggestion is go to an Apple Store, try the keyboard like a lot of people
1:40:41have done with the MacBook, see if it works for you.
1:40:44I bet there's gonna be demo units at an Apple Store with the iPad Pro and the Smart Keyboard.
1:40:49So try that, see if it works for you, and then consider, am I gonna travel with this
1:40:53iPad Pro a lot or am I gonna sit down most of the time?
1:40:56So the bulk of the logic that I create is not a problem.
1:41:00That's a question you gotta ask yourself and I would say there's gonna be many more smart
1:41:06connector powered accessories coming out. Apple told me it's totally up to third-party
1:41:11manufacturers to come up with ideas. They're not setting any street guidelines on the types
1:41:19of accessories that they can create. They can go crazy. And I totally believe there's
1:41:23going to be all sorts of keyboards and cases and covers, whatever. So maybe wait a little
1:41:29and see what third-party companies do. That would be my advice.
1:41:33That connector is magic.
1:41:35Yes, it's really nice. It's not magnetic, the connector itself. So it's three pins that have to be in contact with the connector on the iPad Pro.
1:41:45There's magnets around it. Like as usual, since the iPad 2 there's magnets on the left side.
1:41:54So Apple uses the magnets to align the cover or the cover part of the Smart Keyboard.
1:42:02And because they're used to align magnets on one side and on the other side, they also align the connector.
1:42:10But the connector itself doesn't have magnets inside the connector or inside the pins.
1:42:15It's just a point of contact. So that's a little detail worth mentioning.
1:42:21It's interesting to me too that the connector does offer that flexibility.
1:42:26So we've talked about keyboards, but do you know, can that connector be used for other
1:42:32types of things?
1:42:33So what I thought of just kind of randomly was using an iPad and an audio setup.
1:42:39Could I sit this thing down on top of a DJ station or some sort of mixing interface and
1:42:45transfer data to that connector or is it just keyboards?
1:42:48Yeah, I don't know yet.
1:42:50I also imagine the same kind of possibility, but I don't know.
1:42:54I got no details from Apple on how much power can you transfer with the smart connector.
1:43:00I don't have the technical details behind the requirements for the smart connector.
1:43:06I can also imagine that would make sense for audio accessories, for audio instruments that
1:43:10you can plug in in some way into the iPad, but I don't know.
1:43:15Just speculation.
1:43:16That's fair.
1:43:17And do you think we're going to see this on, or any of the accessories really, on other
1:43:21iPads in the future?
1:43:24That's the question that I was also thinking about. It would make sense, right, to kind of make it a more universal kind of plugin type or
1:43:33plug-and-play experience on any iPad. But right now it's also one of the key
1:43:39differentiators on the iPad Pro, right? You can plug in this keyboard or you can use other accessories because it's a more, you know,
1:43:49PC-like iPad. It can be your computer so it's more accessible. Right now it's
1:43:55the kind of 10-pole feature that's only on the iPad Pro but maybe
1:43:59down the road it'll become more universal across iOS. So I don't know. For
1:44:04sure I don't see it happening on the iPhone. I don't know, I just cannot picture
1:44:09an iPhone connected to a physical keyboard. But on the iPad Air 2, I don't know.
1:44:15Well with a lot of the accessories, like the ones that you guys mentioned about like an
1:44:20audio interface or something, I guess you've just got to consider why would it make more
1:44:23sense than just plugging it into the Lightning port, right?
1:44:25I think because you could just plug an iPad into an audio thing using the Lightning port.
1:44:30So I guess it's about where's the, what is this connector supposed to be used for?
1:44:35What type of information can it provide?
1:44:37So I bet it doesn't provide as much data or power as a Lightning port can.
1:44:41Yeah, that's a good point.
1:44:43Yeah, the big difference there is if you use the smart connector with another accessory,
1:44:47you can also charge the iPad at the same time.
1:44:49So there are benefits, but it's like wondering what the two can do and how they can work
1:44:54in conjunction or against each other.
1:44:58One last question on the accessories.
1:44:59Are Apple still making a standard smart cover?
1:45:02Yes, but I didn't get one.
1:45:04I'm curious to see how it works because the smart keyboard, you cannot... so you get two
1:45:11Type and watch. So type is the physical keyboard and watch is when you fold the keyboard into the back of the iPad
1:45:18so you can use it as a stand to watch movies or play games.
1:45:21But you cannot fold the smart keyboard to prop up the iPad to type on the software keyboard as you can do with the smart cover.
1:45:32It's basically the almost flat position, like a 20 degree angle that you can do on the smart cover.
1:45:38the Smart Cover. I believe the Smart Cover still has the same two angles as usual, so
1:45:46type on the software keyboard and watch, but I couldn't test one because it didn't give
1:45:50me one. So I'll go to the Apple Store as soon as it's available and try to get one.
1:45:57So big question. Are you going to be using this? Are you going to be buying one? Is this
1:46:01your iPad now?
1:46:03Yes, this is my iPad, I'm gonna upgrade to an iPad Pro, I'm gonna get the same model,
1:46:08128, WiFi and cellular, and I just, I feel like everything I've done on iOS so far, trying
1:46:17to get work done for the past three years on iOS, and trying to use the iPad as my only
1:46:22computer really for the past year and a half, maybe two years, I feel like everything got
1:46:27me to this point where I gotta make a decision, am I going all in with the iPad or not?
1:46:32And it's only natural after I've seen how iOS 9 and multitasking works on the iPad Pro and the kind of performance gains that I get
1:46:40and the screen
1:46:42Seeing more content and using two apps at the same time picture in picture is amazing. The speakers are amazing
1:46:49I feel like this is what I want and not because there's an expectation from people or from Apple
1:46:56You know on me to be liking this because I get a lot of people saying yeah, of course Federico
1:47:01it's gonna like this. But it really works in practice for me because at the end of the day
1:47:07what I need to do here is get work done and make money, you know, with my job. So I have no
1:47:14particular interest in appeasing other people, you know. Yeah, yeah, I like it. So are you happy now?
1:47:20I need to get work done on this thing and using it for a week and I have that crazy schedule. I've
1:47:29been using the iPad Pro like 15 hours each day to get a good feel of it in a week. And
1:47:35I feel like I've seen enough of iOS and of using it in practice that I can comfortably
1:47:42say this is the iPad I want and this is what I want to buy, this is what I want to use.
1:47:48So my conclusion after eight days of iPad Pro is this is my new iPad and I'm going to
1:47:55buy one.
1:47:57What about the portability thing?
1:47:58Do you see yourself maybe at some point going the route that I expect, which is that you
1:48:03will get a smaller iPad for the beach?
1:48:05No, Myke.
1:48:06Let's wait until the summer.
1:48:08This isn't over until the summer.
1:48:09Myke, I'm sorry, but it's just not happening.
1:48:12It's not over, man.
1:48:13It's not over until the summer.
1:48:14I can't imagine.
1:48:15I guess you could use the iPad as one of those tanning mirror things, right?
1:48:20You're sitting there on the beach, get yourself a nice little tan.
1:48:24It's gonna look great, Federica.
1:48:26You're gonna be real brown this summer.
1:48:28- Oh, real brown, okay.
1:48:30- Get the silver one so you can just flip it over
1:48:32and give yourself a nice little brown.
1:48:34- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:48:35We'll see, we'll see, Myke.
1:48:37But I don't believe so.
1:48:39- So I think your conclusion makes a lot of sense.
1:48:42If anyone is doing work on an iPad,
1:48:46I think the iPad Pro is just full of upsides.
1:48:48But what about users who are maybe more like me
1:48:52where I get my job done on a Mac,
1:48:55But my iPad is sort of that secondary role of casual gaming, reading, browsing, social media, that sort of stuff.
1:49:02So what about me? What should I do?
1:49:06So that's the key difference. If you're not using the iPad as your
1:49:12primary computer,
1:49:14the variables that you got to consider change. So you're no longer looking at power or
1:49:21or iOS 9 multitasking. You're looking at size and you're looking at price and
1:49:27you're looking at comfort when using the iPad for those types of activities.
1:49:33So you have to consider the trade-offs, their important changes. So am I going to
1:49:41hand over the iPad to my kid who's probably going to have problems using the
1:49:46iPad Pro instead of an iPad Mini or an iPad Air? Am I okay with spending quite a bit of
1:49:53money to get an iPad Pro when the only thing I'm going to do is watch Netflix and play
1:49:58Alto's Adventure? I feel like I cannot make this decision for readers. I can only give
1:50:09you this advice. The iPad Pro, I believe, is called Pro because it's meant for work.
1:50:15doesn't mean that it's not better for movies or for games or the speakers because it is better.
1:50:21In my personal preference it is much better to see a bigger movie or have richer, louder music.
1:50:29Yeah, you go back to your bigger screen argument from earlier on.
1:50:32Yes. But that's my personal preference and it's kind of, for me, it's kind of a nice consequence
1:50:40of the primary cause, which is this is better for work and it's also better for entertainment.
1:50:48But if for you work is out of the equation, I would say consider these other variables.
1:50:55Size, price, you know, do I really need all this power? Because otherwise you'd just be fine with
1:51:02with the iPad Air 2, if you don't really need all those other features of the Pro, it depends
1:51:10on how much you want to spend and how comfortable you are with a bigger device when it's not
1:51:16used for multitasking and work, basically.
1:51:19So Steven, are you going to get one?
1:51:20I'm going to give it a shot.
1:51:23I don't want to say that I'm going to do it and fall in love with it.
1:51:27I don't know.
1:51:28like the Air 2, like almost everything about it.
1:51:32The idea of a bigger screen making the media stuff better
1:51:37is really intriguing to me, 'cause I do watch,
1:51:40I watch a lot of stuff on my iPad,
1:51:42and you talked about, we didn't talk about it here,
1:51:44but in your review you talk about picture in picture
1:51:46being really good, and I do a lot of research and stuff
1:51:50on the iPad where I'm watching a keynote or watching
1:51:53some sort of video and taking notes,
1:51:55and that sort of work I think would really benefit from it.
1:51:58But on the flip side, I do use it a lot on the couch. I use it a lot in bed reading at night.
1:52:02And you know, maybe it's not as good of a fit there. I just don't know.
1:52:07But I'm willing to give it a shot. So I'll be checking it out. I'll be ordering one.
1:52:13I'm definitely going to do the pencil. I'm not sold on the keyboard. I want to try it in person.
1:52:17I figure if I like the iPad Pro, I can always add the keyboard later.
1:52:22I think the pencil is much more interesting from like a reviewing perspective to experience that.
1:52:27But whether it sticks or not, I'm not sure.
1:52:31I guess we'll kind of see where that goes.
1:52:33- As I've said on the show many times recently,
1:52:37since iOS 9, I've been using my iPad more and more for work
1:52:40and there are a couple of things that I still feel
1:52:43like I need to be able to turn it into a device
1:52:45that I'm looking to use more seriously
1:52:47and one of them is a keyboard.
1:52:49I just like the ability of seeing the full screen
1:52:52in front of me and typing rather than typing
1:52:54on the actual screen itself, right,
1:52:55so I get more of the view.
1:52:57So obviously the smart keyboard provides that and I really like the idea of it being portable
1:53:02and always there and part of the whole case, part of the package, right, so I'm not having
1:53:05to throw another thing in my bag.
1:53:08So I will try the keyboard.
1:53:10I'm definitely going to get the pencil because it's in my wheelhouse and I really do believe
1:53:14that this could be a better iPad for me and could really replace my MacBook Pro in all
1:53:20instances other than when I'm travelling for long periods of time because I like to have
1:53:24something that I can edit audio on, right, just in case I need it because sometimes
1:53:28I do edit shows when I travel. But for work, like when I go to my co-working
1:53:32space or whenever I'm just not at my Mac, when I'm not over in another country, I
1:53:37can see myself wanting to use the iPad Pro for that and that makes a lot more
1:53:40sense for me. Like I'm trying to stay away from my iMac for the majority of
1:53:45time when I'm not recording, so I'm not sitting at this desk for 15 hours a day.
1:53:49And I think that the iPad Pro could really help with that as the iPad Air is
1:53:54taking it a big step in the right direction for that. So I'm looking
1:53:59forward to trying this out and I will be getting one as soon as I can.
1:54:02Nice. You sold us on it Federico, you did the job.
1:54:07Well I'm glad. I think I made a good case for people who need it for work and
1:54:16maybe people who don't need it for work and I'm really curious to see what you
1:54:20guys do with your iPad Pro and if you stick to it after you use it for a while or if you
1:54:26go back to the iPad Air 2, I'm sure we'll have plenty of follow-up for the next few
1:54:32episodes and thankfully we'll have Steven taking care of the follow-up for us. So we're
1:54:38in a good position guys, we're all gonna use the iPad Pro, we're all gonna be pros. It's
1:54:42gonna be the era of the pros, that's what I'm saying right now.
1:54:48I don't think we can go any further than that. If you would like to get in touch with us,
1:54:51you want to send in feedback, there's a few ways you can do that. You can find a link
1:54:54to send us an email and also find our show notes over at relay.fm/connected/65. There'll
1:55:00be links to some Apple pages and also Federico's reviews as well, you can find them there.
1:55:05If you want to read Federico's work on his lovely website, you can go over to maxstories.net
1:55:09and you can also find Federico on Twitter, he is @vittici, V I T I C C I. Stephen writes
1:55:14over at 512pixels.net and I'm sure that he'll have some of his own thoughts about the iPad Pro once
1:55:19he gets one in his hands so 512pixels.net for that and Stephen is on Twitter too he is @ismh
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1:55:45Arrivederci. Adios.