Connected

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00:00:05 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected episode number 64.

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00:00:16 ◼   ► My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined by the man of whom I have touched the face, Mr. Federico Vitticci.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Oh, hey Myke!

00:00:27 ◼   ► Hello!

00:00:28 ◼   ► That was the most awkward introduction of all time, how are you?

00:00:31 ◼   ► Hello! I'm doing great! Long time no see, Myke.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Not really, if anything.

00:00:38 ◼   ► So we're gonna talk about this a little later on in the show, but me and Federico have now met in person.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Which happened yesterday as we record this, which was a very, very beautiful thing.

00:00:48 ◼   ► And we're gonna get to that.

00:00:50 ◼   ► We should also mention, we've just completely forgotten about him. Steven's not here today.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Oh yeah, that guy.

00:00:56 ◼   ► He's unfortunately a little under the weather right now and has probably the worst thing

00:01:02 ◼   ► that can happen to you when you make your living producing audio content.

00:01:06 ◼   ► He has lost his voice.

00:01:08 ◼   ► So I wasn't too keen on the idea of him just being on the call and just tapping his desk

00:01:13 ◼   ► like to get our attention every now and then.

00:01:15 ◼   ► So Steven isn't here today and we wish him to get better very soon.

00:01:20 ◼   ► So maybe we'll be able to hear from him again next week.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sure he'll come back with a bunch of links to old Macs, some new things he bought.

00:01:33 ◼   ► He's slowly, surely replacing your role as a serial buyer.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Every time he comes back, he has some new equipment or old Macs or crazy old accessories.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Well he has that new Nexus, right?

00:01:49 ◼   ► Which we wanted to talk about.

00:01:50 ◼   ► He has a new Nexus!

00:01:51 ◼   ► So he completely ruined one of the topics today. One of the whole topics of this show was Stephen talking about his new phone

00:01:57 ◼   ► But he's not here. I actually do believe that before he lost his voice he recorded an episode of material talking about his

00:02:03 ◼   ► Experience and I think it's gonna be out this week. So is it going to Android? I don't know. Maybe he is

00:02:10 ◼   ► You know what? I'm gonna say that. Yes, he is. He's switching to Android

00:02:16 ◼   ► He can't he's not here to defend himself. So yes, Stephen Hackett has switched

00:02:21 ◼   ► That's why he's not here today

00:02:25 ◼   ► We wouldn't let him on the show anymore because he loves his Nexus so much that he has now switched to Android

00:02:32 ◼   ► well

00:02:34 ◼   ► Okay

00:02:35 ◼   ► So because Stephen is not here. He's not it's not gonna be here anymore is he likes Android too much now to come back

00:02:41 ◼   ► We're gonna do follow-up

00:02:45 ◼   ► You know instead of Steven we're gonna do the follow-up and Myke

00:02:48 ◼   ► I see a new hashtag in the in the document in front of me. Yeah, what is going on here?

00:02:54 ◼   ► Do you remember a few weeks ago when we had the mysterious Apple TV tipster Carlos? Oh Carlos. Yeah, how's the guy?

00:03:02 ◼   ► He's good. He's feeling good because Carlos was right

00:03:05 ◼   ► If you remember what we were talking about was the fact that Carlos told us that you cannot use

00:03:12 ◼   ► Siri to control or search or find anything about music on the app. Yeah, it's crazy, which is crazy

00:03:18 ◼   ► Wait, we're gonna talk about the Apple TV a little later on today

00:03:21 ◼   ► But I wanted to mention it right here that Carlos it was right and I see

00:03:25 ◼   ► a lovely post on this website called Mac stories

00:03:29 ◼   ► That Apple made a statement to BuzzFeed that early next year. Yeah, there will be

00:03:36 ◼   ► Full Siri support for music on the Apple TV, which seemed really really weird

00:03:42 ◼   ► Yeah, especially because you know early next year means anytime from January to April. I think yeah

00:03:50 ◼   ► It could be the first four months

00:03:52 ◼   ► So yeah, you gotta wait for an update and it's especially weird where you know, you're paying for Apple music

00:03:57 ◼   ► You're a subscriber and it totally makes sense to have you know streaming on the app on the new Apple TV

00:04:02 ◼   ► But nope, for some reason it's not ready yet and we gotta wait a few more months to get

00:04:08 ◼   ► it.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Just kind of a disappointment.

00:04:11 ◼   ► One of the many issues of this first version of the Apple TV.

00:04:15 ◼   ► It's fair to call it a first version.

00:04:17 ◼   ► It is a 1.0.

00:04:18 ◼   ► It's brand new.

00:04:19 ◼   ► It's TV OS, right?

00:04:21 ◼   ► That's the difference.

00:04:22 ◼   ► It's not the box.

00:04:23 ◼   ► It's what's on the inside that counts here.

00:04:25 ◼   ► And that's what's causing all the problems.

00:04:27 ◼   ► about the inside, we were sent a couple of tweets about this. There is a Teletext app

00:04:35 ◼   ► for the Apple TV. And it's quite funny, there is a really, really excellent thread that

00:04:41 ◼   ► I will find and put in the show notes of the guy who made this app, kind of coming to discover

00:04:50 ◼   ► us as a thing. Oh really? Yeah it's really great like he's very confused at first.

00:04:57 ◼   ► It's very confused I can imagine. And then listens to the show and is

00:05:00 ◼   ► disappointed because he thought it was a show about gonna be a show about teletext.

00:05:04 ◼   ► It's like a podcast an entire show about teletext. Yep I mean you know

00:05:08 ◼   ► worse things have happened I guess but yeah it's it's very fun to watch him. So I would love to be

00:05:14 ◼   ► able to link to it but you cannot obviously link to any Apple TV apps but

00:05:19 ◼   ► I guess if you just search teletext in the App Store you'll be able to find

00:05:23 ◼   ► everything that you need about that but yeah it was it was just kind of a

00:05:27 ◼   ► beautiful thing to watch this unfold. Look at that teletext bringing people

00:05:32 ◼   ► together. It really does it really amazing piece of technology still

00:05:36 ◼   ► holding up on the on TV OS. Amazing absolutely. We're bringing teletext back

00:05:43 ◼   ► into the new generation.

00:05:45 ◼   ► Back in style, you know, all those flat colours, that bold typography, those icons very crisp,

00:05:52 ◼   ► absolutely.

00:05:53 ◼   ► It's one of those technologies that never, never dies.

00:05:58 ◼   ► We got a great link sent in to us from a guy called Rod, and Rod sent in, this is by a

00:06:05 ◼   ► guy called Larry Salibra, and he has been looking a lot like Steven was about moving

00:06:11 ◼   ► from Evernote to Notes, the Apple Notes app. And he has actually built a script

00:06:16 ◼   ► which he's put in, which he's put on his blog, to help you do this. I haven't tried

00:06:22 ◼   ► this out so I cannot speak for it but I just wanted to put it in the notes

00:06:28 ◼   ► because for people that are looking to do a migration like Stephen did this

00:06:32 ◼   ► might be a great way to do that. But make sure you of course have a gajillion

00:06:37 ◼   ► in backups in any way that you can, because I don't know what might happen.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Maybe it deletes all of your notes, I hope not, but you never know, right?

00:06:46 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:06:47 ◼   ► I mean, this is nice.

00:06:50 ◼   ► I mean, actually, consider this, because obviously no one's going to make an iOS version of these

00:06:57 ◼   ► scripts as standalone apps.

00:07:00 ◼   ► So I may have to use a Mac for this when I eventually decide to move from...

00:07:05 ◼   ► I'm still basically keeping Evernote around, not for new notes, not for anything new, just

00:07:10 ◼   ► for existing notes because I don't want to go through the migration process.

00:07:13 ◼   ► I'll eventually have to.

00:07:16 ◼   ► This is useful.

00:07:17 ◼   ► Thank you Larry.

00:07:18 ◼   ► I will try this I think.

00:07:19 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm wondering whether I'm going to actually do a migration like this or if I'm just going

00:07:25 ◼   ► to start replicating things, right?

00:07:27 ◼   ► Because what I have in my Evernote tends to be like travel documents and stuff like that

00:07:31 ◼   ► and when I went to Indianapolis I just typed a lot of the stuff up and copied and pasted

00:07:35 ◼   ► it from emails, right? Because usually what I do is I just forward it. But I

00:07:38 ◼   ► actually quite like the idea of having everything just in one note in just

00:07:42 ◼   ► simple plain text. I quite like that as opposed to trying to like dig through

00:07:47 ◼   ► PDF versions of emails or whatever. So I don't know, I want to test it a little

00:07:52 ◼   ► bit more but I must say like you know just as a follow-up on follow-up

00:07:57 ◼   ► I'd love the Notes app. It's so fantastic. It's just it's perfect for what I need.

00:08:02 ◼   ► It's so simple and it always works well. It does exactly what I need.

00:08:06 ◼   ► Yeah, absolutely. And for me, like the best feature is it always reconciles changes from multiple devices.

00:08:14 ◼   ► Yeah, it does a great job. I don't know how they do as good a job as they do with that.

00:08:19 ◼   ► But they really really do. I completely agree.

00:08:21 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's funny right because I remember being like when they announced it I was kind of just like whatever Apple Notes

00:08:28 ◼   ► Come on, and I really really like it. I just I

00:08:31 ◼   ► I just wish they would not have a texture background.

00:08:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, you know, it makes sense when you're drawing

00:08:40 ◼   ► with a stylus, I guess, and you're, you know,

00:08:44 ◼   ► like the feeling of ink on paper.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Like that's the only instance of the texture

00:08:49 ◼   ► making any sort of sense, but I totally agree.

00:08:53 ◼   ► - This is gonna make everybody happy.

00:08:56 ◼   ► A guy called Ricky Mondello discovered

00:08:58 ◼   ► that something new to Beta 2--

00:09:00 ◼   ► You know who the guy is.

00:09:01 ◼   ► No.

00:09:02 ◼   ► He's the guy who makes Safari.

00:09:05 ◼   ► Ricky's one of the Safari engineers.

00:09:07 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:09:08 ◼   ► Well, there you go then.

00:09:09 ◼   ► He didn't discover it.

00:09:10 ◼   ► He put it in there.

00:09:11 ◼   ► Yes, he created it.

00:09:12 ◼   ► Now that's very clever the way that you tweeted this.

00:09:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:15 ◼   ► Right?

00:09:16 ◼   ► Because it makes it look like something like Steve Trout and Smith, right?

00:09:18 ◼   ► Like I just discovered this thing.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Alright then, so the guy who made this feature, iOS 9.2 Beta 2 Safari View Controller can

00:09:26 ◼   ► now be dismissed using an edge swipe in apps built with a 9.2 SDK, no extra code required."

00:09:31 ◼   ► I cannot believe that he didn't get the idea from this from Tapbots, right?

00:09:37 ◼   ► That must have been where the inspiration came from.

00:09:40 ◼   ► I guess especially from the positive reaction from people to that feature.

00:09:48 ◼   ► Everyone I know on Twitter and that I heard from readers, everyone is loving the new swipe

00:09:55 ◼   ► gesture because it's just so much better. It's fantastic. It helps me get out of that

00:10:00 ◼   ► view which otherwise you're stuck on, right? That's the problem.

00:10:05 ◼   ► I'm gonna give you a detail. It's not just on the iPhone, this new swipe gesture on iOS

00:10:10 ◼   ► 9.2, it's also on the iPad. On every device you can now swipe and you can dismiss Safari

00:10:16 ◼   ► View Controller. So this is gonna be extra better.

00:10:20 ◼   ► I would really like to see them put the done button at the bottom there.

00:10:25 ◼   ► Yeah. In the meantime, until they redesign completely Safari View Controller, this is a good solution.

00:10:32 ◼   ► As a kind of stopgap solution for now.

00:10:35 ◼   ► Sure. Yeah, it works out for the time being.

00:10:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:39 ◼   ► Okay, I think we've actually reached the end of the follow-up. And it wasn't too much of a disaster, I don't think.

00:10:44 ◼   ► No.

00:10:45 ◼   ► I think we kind of got through that okay.

00:10:46 ◼   ► okay yeah we didn't die no one died okay yeah it's just a shame that Stephen can

00:10:52 ◼   ► never come back you know he's enjoying the Google Play Store right now probably

00:10:56 ◼   ► those pirated apps from the Google servers that's exactly as all he does

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00:13:45 ◼   ► and Relay FM. So I'm going to put a tweet in the show notes of a picture that you took

00:13:52 ◼   ► of me where I am incredibly excited and shaking a little bit and incredibly emotional because

00:14:00 ◼   ► I had just seen you get out of a taxi cab in London, England.

00:14:04 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:14:05 ◼   ► Yes.

00:14:06 ◼   ► It was a very, very beautiful day yesterday.

00:14:08 ◼   ► Yes, it was a very beautiful moment and an amazing entire day.

00:14:13 ◼   ► So we met for the first time in like, how long since we've known each other online?

00:14:18 ◼   ► Like four years, three years?

00:14:20 ◼   ► Well, I asked you, this is part of my presentation at Release Notes, I found an old DM, and I

00:14:28 ◼   ► I asked you if you would be willing to do a podcast with me back in 2013.

00:14:34 ◼   ► So we've been, and it was early in 2013, so we've been working together for about two

00:14:38 ◼   ► and a half years now.

00:14:40 ◼   ► So almost three years basically.

00:14:42 ◼   ► Yep.

00:14:43 ◼   ► And I'm pretty sure I was already listening to your podcast.

00:14:46 ◼   ► So remotely we've known each other for a long time and yesterday we met for the first time

00:14:52 ◼   ► in your city, in your land, in the land of Britain.

00:14:58 ◼   ► What do you want to discuss Myke? It was amazing.

00:15:02 ◼   ► It was very beautiful. So Federico is here conducting special business.

00:15:06 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:07 ◼   ► And it was a special business trip. You were in and out in one day.

00:15:10 ◼   ► So we didn't even get to spend as much time as we like.

00:15:13 ◼   ► But there was lots of hugging. We hugged a lot.

00:15:15 ◼   ► I kept touching you to ensure that you were real.

00:15:18 ◼   ► I was real and you were real.

00:15:20 ◼   ► And I looked after you, didn't I? I took you to the plane.

00:15:23 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:15:24 ◼   ► you on a train. You used Apple Pay on the tube? For the first time, I had no idea how Apple Pay

00:15:32 ◼   ► worked. It was really fast, really quick. You activated the sensor for me and I just needed

00:15:37 ◼   ► to place the iPhone on the little pad and it's just amazing. I keep thinking I want to use Apple

00:15:44 ◼   ► Pay in Italy but no announcement yet. What did you think of the tube? It was surely...

00:15:53 ◼   ► So two thoughts. Better organized and I mean more modern, like people actually form decent lines.

00:16:02 ◼   ► So better organized, more modern than the one in Rome. Cleaner for sure. No weird smells.

00:16:11 ◼   ► Yeah, the one in Rome, depending on the station.

00:16:14 ◼   ► It was rush hour as well, so it was super busy.

00:16:16 ◼   ► The second thought, and this applies to people in London in general, at least from what I

00:16:22 ◼   ► saw yesterday.

00:16:24 ◼   ► People are really quiet and they don't push too much.

00:16:28 ◼   ► No, just a little bit.

00:16:31 ◼   ► In Rome, they push a lot and they're super loud, especially when you get on the metro,

00:16:36 ◼   ► that's what we call it here.

00:16:39 ◼   ► There's always some kind of smell or some kind of argument and there's people pushing

00:16:44 ◼   ► and there's a lot of pit pocket.

00:16:48 ◼   ► What's his name?

00:16:49 ◼   ► Pit pockets, yeah.

00:16:50 ◼   ► Pit pockets.

00:16:51 ◼   ► lot of people trying to see your wallet basically on your phone. It was very organized. I keep

00:16:59 ◼   ► thinking of organized in London, like people waiting in line and there's no screaming,

00:17:04 ◼   ► no yelling, no people fumbling for their tickets. Everyone knows that they need to be done at

00:17:09 ◼   ► the little – what's the name – the gates?

00:17:12 ◼   ► Yeah, the little gates where you go through the trains. This is the thing, right? You

00:17:17 ◼   ► were in a business district basically during rush hour on a regular day in the week. So

00:17:23 ◼   ► like everyone is like super focused, they just want to go home. So like people know

00:17:28 ◼   ► what they need to do. And yeah on the whole like people are quiet. Like there was one

00:17:31 ◼   ► point where me and you maybe took a little bit too long at the barrier and people start

00:17:35 ◼   ► like you can hear it. It's the most you get in the UK so people are coughing. So that's

00:17:40 ◼   ► what it is. Oh but something I forgot to mention. I brought a special guest with me for you

00:17:45 ◼   ► Oh yes, yes, I saw CGP Grey.

00:17:52 ◼   ► The man, the myth, the legend.

00:17:54 ◼   ► The robot.

00:17:55 ◼   ► Yep.

00:17:56 ◼   ► So he's real, or at least he appears to be real.

00:18:00 ◼   ► If he's a robot, he's a very realistic one.

00:18:03 ◼   ► I even almost touched CGP Grey, you know?

00:18:09 ◼   ► You shook his hand, didn't you?

00:18:10 ◼   ► Well, I shook his hand, but I also, he wasn't expecting me to touch his watch.

00:18:15 ◼   ► Yeah, that was quite a funny moment.

00:18:17 ◼   ► So Gray has the full black link bracelet watch.

00:18:24 ◼   ► - Looks amazing. - The DLC one,

00:18:26 ◼   ► so diamond-like coating.

00:18:27 ◼   ► And me and Gray have spoken about this in the past,

00:18:30 ◼   ► and I said to him, "Can I try it on?"

00:18:33 ◼   ► And he looked at me like I was insane

00:18:35 ◼   ► and told me that I couldn't.

00:18:36 ◼   ► But Federico sees it and he's like, "Oh!"

00:18:38 ◼   ► And he just reaches out and touches it.

00:18:40 ◼   ► And there's nothing Gray can do because it's too late now.

00:18:43 ◼   ► So what I have learned is you just need to be bold like an Italian. That's what I've learned.

00:18:48 ◼   ► Yeah, it was just natural for me. I don't know. I realize now it can be strange for people in

00:18:56 ◼   ► other countries to just instinctively reach out and touch someone else's hand or wrist.

00:19:01 ◼   ► We are in Europe, right? We are in Europe, but we are not European.

00:19:11 ◼   ► If you spent more time here, I think you would really start to see that.

00:19:14 ◼   ► There is a lot of Europe where the customs are very... they're closer together, I think.

00:19:21 ◼   ► But the UK, it's a completely different place.

00:19:27 ◼   ► I feel like as a country, in terms of habits and general behavior,

00:19:36 ◼   ► were more similar to Spanish people, you know?

00:19:39 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:19:40 ◼   ► - I feel like we're, you know, always kinda,

00:19:43 ◼   ► I wouldn't say loud necessarily, but you know,

00:19:48 ◼   ► maybe talkative, you know, just always,

00:19:51 ◼   ► I don't know, in London, people seemed really quiet.

00:19:54 ◼   ► And you seem different than most people.

00:19:57 ◼   ► Could be because I know you, but you almost don't,

00:20:00 ◼   ► like everyone looked too serious or too like,

00:20:05 ◼   ► like smile for a little, you know? Like everyone was super focused and super quiet and no touching,

00:20:10 ◼   ► no pushing, no... it almost felt too precise.

00:20:14 ◼   ► Well I guess I would be more quiet, but like I was just super excited to see you so I was

00:20:18 ◼   ► making a lot of noise.

00:20:20 ◼   ► I don't know, could also be that the city was like very cloudy. Like I was just coming

00:20:27 ◼   ► from a super sunny day in Rome and London was basically grey.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:34 ◼   ► It's that time of the year.

00:20:36 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:20:37 ◼   ► So I don't know, that with the combination of, you know, these people just super focused,

00:20:44 ◼   ► super like, ignoring you in a way, you know, it was very strange.

00:20:49 ◼   ► Not terrible, but just very strange, you know?

00:20:53 ◼   ► We are strange people.

00:20:54 ◼   ► I hope that this won't be the last special business trip that you make.

00:21:00 ◼   ► And then maybe next time I can actually take you to some of my favorite restaurants.

00:21:03 ◼   ► Why should it be the last? I hope it won't be. I hope it won't be. That's why I say I hope it won't be the last.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Okay. Yeah, you were awesome Myke. I should tell the listeners

00:21:12 ◼   ► Myke took care of me

00:21:16 ◼   ► He was incredible

00:21:18 ◼   ► You know, he took me from one part of London back to the airport. He never left me alone

00:21:24 ◼   ► He got it all figured out for me. I didn't have to care about you know, any of the details. So if you ever

00:21:32 ◼   ► if you ever need to be in London consider becoming friends with Myke a few years in advance.

00:21:38 ◼   ► If you're ever going to be in London just ask Myke, he'll sort it out for you. You need a train ticket,

00:21:47 ◼   ► he'll buy you a train ticket. I had a disclaimer, consider becoming friends with Myke a few years in

00:21:52 ◼   ► advance so you can rest assured he will take care of you. You are a very good friend Myke, thank you.

00:21:58 ◼   ► It's a pleasure, absolute pleasure. There was something I wanted to ask you about which I

00:22:02 ◼   ► mentioned last week right so Apple had their Q4 2015 results and I don't really

00:22:08 ◼   ► think it's worth too much talking about the things because it's basically

00:22:12 ◼   ► exactly as we expected right so iPhone sales were higher than the previous

00:22:17 ◼   ► quarter and beat expectations iPad sales were the lowest they've been in a long

00:22:22 ◼   ► time right I mean none of this is a surprise except max sales maybe which is

00:22:27 ◼   ► like the highest Mac sales on a quarter that there's been in years, right? But the

00:22:33 ◼   ► revenue stuff is not, I mean it's basically the same as every other

00:22:36 ◼   ► revenue discussion we've had over the last two years. You know, iPhones are up,

00:22:40 ◼   ► Macs are doing okay, iPads are going down, but still selling more iPads than Mac.

00:22:44 ◼   ► But you know, undeniable they're going down. Which is why, you know, it goes back

00:22:48 ◼   ► to us talking about the idea of the iPad Pro and what Apple are potentially

00:22:53 ◼   ► gonna be looking at doing there to try and bolster the iPad line to maintain

00:22:57 ◼   ► Tim's bullishness. But what I wanted to ask you was how you go about assembling all of

00:23:05 ◼   ► the charts and graphics that you do to put on the site and how you make that data, where

00:23:12 ◼   ► does the data come from, do you have like documents that you just update every year,

00:23:16 ◼   ► like how does that part of it come together? Because you put it together really, really

00:23:20 ◼   ► fast.

00:23:21 ◼   ► Ok, so it's all automated on my end, at least the final part.

00:23:28 ◼   ► So the data comes from Apple of course, every time they release the actual announcement,

00:23:34 ◼   ► the press release, if you look closely there's a link to what they call the data sum, it's

00:23:40 ◼   ► a summary like a table, it's a PDF document with a breakdown of units and revenue.

00:23:48 ◼   ► to be more complex to read in the past but since Apple changed the way they report units

00:23:53 ◼   ► and revenue, I think 2 to 3, 4 quarters ago maybe, it's become even easier to read and

00:24:01 ◼   ► to find the latest data. So you get from this Apple PDF, you get two columns, one is units

00:24:08 ◼   ► and the other is revenue and it's organized by device, so or rather like segment or product,

00:24:15 ◼   ► iPhone, iPad services, other, or region.

00:24:18 ◼   ► So you got all these numbers, and what we do is Graham,

00:24:22 ◼   ► my co-writer at Mac Stories,

00:24:25 ◼   ► he has an Excel document that he put together

00:24:30 ◼   ► with a bunch of formulas to generate charts,

00:24:33 ◼   ► and he takes care of this document.

00:24:36 ◼   ► I never make changes to the formulas.

00:24:39 ◼   ► He's created all these different commands behind the scenes.

00:24:44 ◼   ► So I just need to enter the same numbers that I see in the Apple PDF.

00:24:50 ◼   ► So he created this quick entry box in the spreadsheet.

00:24:54 ◼   ► I only need to enter like 10 numbers and all the charts and the historical data is generated

00:25:01 ◼   ► by the Excel formulas that he did.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And he actually added, what's it called, a moving average chart a few months ago.

00:25:10 ◼   ► Now he's considering adding more comparisons in the future.

00:25:13 ◼   ► But the thing is, I don't understand anything about Excel.

00:25:17 ◼   ► I just know how to enter numbers and how to export images.

00:25:22 ◼   ► So he prepares the day before.

00:25:24 ◼   ► He takes a look at the Excel document.

00:25:27 ◼   ► He makes sure that everything is okay and he sends it to me.

00:25:30 ◼   ► We prepare a draft of the article in advance so we can just fill in the numbers and post

00:25:35 ◼   ► the article right after the announcement.

00:25:39 ◼   ► So we look at the expectations from analysts.

00:25:42 ◼   ► look at the year ago quarter data.

00:25:45 ◼   ► We do all of that beforehand, of course.

00:25:48 ◼   ► And when I get the Apple data summary on my iPad, now it's even easier because I can do

00:25:55 ◼   ► split view.

00:25:57 ◼   ► I can see two apps at the same time.

00:25:59 ◼   ► So I replicate the numbers from the data sum into the Excel document.

00:26:03 ◼   ► I double check this quick entry box that I have in the spreadsheet.

00:26:08 ◼   ► I tap once on an image, so I got another sheet which is just images, I tap once on a chart

00:26:15 ◼   ► and I select copy.

00:26:19 ◼   ► And then I have this workflow in the workflow app which is basically like three actions.

00:26:25 ◼   ► It takes the clipboard, so the contents of the clipboard, it gets an image from the clipboard

00:26:32 ◼   ► and it exports the image with iOS extensions.

00:26:36 ◼   ► So I copy in Excel, I open Workflow and again I can put the two apps side by side to speed

00:26:42 ◼   ► up the process.

00:26:44 ◼   ► And I tap Play, I run the Workflow and in two seconds it prepares the image and it exports

00:26:53 ◼   ► it to the share sheet.

00:26:54 ◼   ► So I can just upload it with my Python script to my CDN, it's optimized and in another two

00:27:00 ◼   ► seconds I have a URL to the image back in my clipboard which I can then paste into a

00:27:05 ◼   ► editorial and update the post on WordPress with another workflow that I

00:27:10 ◼   ► have that is custom made for Mac stories. So for just one image, like once I

00:27:15 ◼   ► have the spreadsheet with all the images I can now with these new workflows I can

00:27:20 ◼   ► go through the entire series of images in like five minutes at most.

00:27:26 ◼   ► That's mind-boggling. I mean would you ever like consider doing a screencast or

00:27:32 ◼   ► something at some point like this stuff is just so fascinating it is fascinating

00:27:37 ◼   ► but it's also very custom made from XORs like the Python part right it

00:27:43 ◼   ► communicates with Kraken which is this web service that we use oh I remember

00:27:47 ◼   ► that yes I remember you going many many weeks through this process of trying to find an image

00:27:54 ◼   ► resizer so for those following it works great we've been using it for almost a

00:27:59 ◼   ► a year now, super happy, the API is great,

00:28:02 ◼   ► works with Python, optimizes images.

00:28:04 ◼   ► It's been saving me a lot of money.

00:28:07 ◼   ► So for instance, I got this script that goes to Kraken

00:28:11 ◼   ► and uploads to my Rackspace CDN container.

00:28:16 ◼   ► So it's like, would it be useful to other people?

00:28:19 ◼   ► Sure, but that's very specific need.

00:28:22 ◼   ► How many people use Kraken and Rackspace Cloud files

00:28:26 ◼   ► and then need to paste the link into editorial

00:28:29 ◼   ► and use another workflow to update a post on WordPress.

00:28:33 ◼   ► I guess when I tell you how it's done, it's fascinating.

00:28:37 ◼   ► But in practice, the Python scripts are really ugly

00:28:41 ◼   ► because I don't care about clean code.

00:28:44 ◼   ► I just want to get the job done.

00:28:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, I get it.

00:28:47 ◼   ► I get it.

00:28:48 ◼   ► So listening to you explain it

00:28:50 ◼   ► is what's really fascinating to me.

00:28:52 ◼   ► But as you say, you could basically,

00:28:56 ◼   ► what you'd be doing is recording it for entertainment.

00:28:59 ◼   ► Like people can't really get too much out of it

00:29:01 ◼   ► because they would have to be writing for Mac stories, right?

00:29:04 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:29:05 ◼   ► - 'Cause that's how it works.

00:29:06 ◼   ► But I mean, you know, it's interesting.

00:29:08 ◼   ► I like to hear it because, I mean,

00:29:11 ◼   ► if you trace back to the beginnings of this show

00:29:14 ◼   ► and like, you know, to the prompt and back further,

00:29:17 ◼   ► like just listening to the way that you have optimized

00:29:20 ◼   ► all of this stuff so it works on an iPad,

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's just so fascinating to me.

00:29:25 ◼   ► As I try and personally put more thought into using an iPad

00:29:30 ◼   ► more in my daily life,

00:29:34 ◼   ► there is just an element of all of this

00:29:36 ◼   ► which is really, really interesting to me

00:29:38 ◼   ► as to how can I start to leverage the incredible power

00:29:42 ◼   ► that some of these applications have

00:29:44 ◼   ► to get some of the work done that I need.

00:29:46 ◼   ► And it's just something that I'm starting to think about

00:29:49 ◼   ► a little bit more.

00:29:50 ◼   ► So I'm just becoming more and more interested

00:29:53 ◼   ► to hear about some of the bat poop crazy things

00:29:57 ◼   ► that you do with your iPad.

00:30:00 ◼   ► And it is mad, it really is mad.

00:30:02 ◼   ► And like, I hear you do it and I'm like,

00:30:05 ◼   ► could someone do this as quick on a Mac?

00:30:07 ◼   ► Like, I don't know.

00:30:08 ◼   ► - Oh, I tried for many years, believe me.

00:30:11 ◼   ► - I mean, for some reason for you,

00:30:12 ◼   ► this OS just matches with your way of working, right?

00:30:17 ◼   ► That is what this fundamentally is like.

00:30:20 ◼   ► it really fits with your brain.

00:30:24 ◼   ► 'Cause you know, you look at somebody like Jason, right?

00:30:28 ◼   ► So Jason does a very similar thing on six colors,

00:30:31 ◼   ► and he's able to put his stuff up real quick, right?

00:30:34 ◼   ► So he has obviously worked out a way to do it on the Mac

00:30:38 ◼   ► that makes super sense to him.

00:30:40 ◼   ► So it's just really interesting to me to see

00:30:43 ◼   ► how you're able to do it

00:30:45 ◼   ► compared to how other people are able to do it.

00:30:46 ◼   ► It's just something that I find quite interesting.

00:30:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, I spent many, many weeks trying to optimize

00:30:55 ◼   ► to the point where you start wondering,

00:30:57 ◼   ► is the time I spend optimizing really worth the effort

00:30:59 ◼   ► in the end?

00:31:00 ◼   ► And the answer is for these very daily and recurring tasks,

00:31:05 ◼   ► yes, absolutely.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Because the time that I saved, you know,

00:31:10 ◼   ► with these workflows to automate markdown

00:31:13 ◼   ► or image uploading, I mean, for the iOS 9 review,

00:31:17 ◼   ► I had more than 200 screenshots.

00:31:21 ◼   ► And doing that without my scripts would have been crazy.

00:31:24 ◼   ► So yes, I may have wasted a couple of weeks trying to find the perfect image uploading

00:31:29 ◼   ► and optimizing service, but it saved me a lot of money because images are optimized

00:31:35 ◼   ► and my CDM bill is lower.

00:31:38 ◼   ► And it saved me a lot of time that I spent reading and rereading again the article.

00:31:43 ◼   ► So you've got to be careful with the kind of optimizations and how much tweaking do

00:31:49 ◼   ► you want to do because it can be a rabbit hole.

00:31:52 ◼   ► You can spend your life optimizing for this potential future where you always need to

00:31:58 ◼   ► be more optimized.

00:32:00 ◼   ► So you've got to find an area, I guess, where you really see the practical benefits of scripts

00:32:07 ◼   ► and automation.

00:32:08 ◼   ► That's how I look at this problem.

00:32:10 ◼   ► Alright, let me take a break and I want to talk about one of your favorite applications,

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00:34:47 ◼   ► is becoming a part of Outlook, right?

00:34:50 ◼   ► This was announced earlier this week.

00:34:52 ◼   ► So Sunrise was a calendar app.

00:34:54 ◼   ► Outlook was previously an app called a Comply.

00:34:56 ◼   ► Microsoft bought them both

00:34:58 ◼   ► and is now starting to roll Sunrise into Outlook.

00:35:03 ◼   ► - And now they're making a baby.

00:35:04 ◼   ► - Yes, they're basically making Outlook Junior.

00:35:08 ◼   ► And Outlook Junior, unfortunately,

00:35:10 ◼   ► kills off his mom Sunrise, right?

00:35:13 ◼   ► - Wow, that's creepy.

00:35:14 ◼   ► - Is that how this ends up?

00:35:15 ◼   ► This is it, right?

00:35:16 ◼   ► This is what they're looking to do.

00:35:17 ◼   ► They're looking to roll Sunrise into Outlook and then kill Sunrise.

00:35:20 ◼   ► Yes.

00:35:21 ◼   ► So tell me what's going on here.

00:35:23 ◼   ► Is it perfect if they put exactly what we need?

00:35:25 ◼   ► No, not yet.

00:35:28 ◼   ► Basically the change right now is on paper because the Sunrise that they merged into

00:35:35 ◼   ► Outlook is not really Sunrise.

00:35:38 ◼   ► With the latest update on the App Store, they refreshed the interface of Outlook a little

00:35:43 ◼   ► bit and they apparently got the Sunrise team to redo the interface of Outlook to kind of

00:35:48 ◼   ► polish the way the emails are displayed, conversations, the icons are new, there's a bunch of new

00:35:56 ◼   ► indicators for events and unread emails.

00:36:01 ◼   ► It's more polished.

00:36:03 ◼   ► But the calendar section is really the pre-existing Outlook calendar, only a little more refined.

00:36:13 ◼   ► But if you were hoping to find all the many great touches of Sunrise, like when you type

00:36:18 ◼   ► an event that contains a specific word like "meeting" or "doctor", you get a custom icon

00:36:24 ◼   ► next to the event's name, so it helps you visually organize your calendar based on icons.

00:36:31 ◼   ► There's no such thing as custom icons yet.

00:36:34 ◼   ► Or there's no support for integrations with third-party services.

00:36:38 ◼   ► So you could get your to-do list tasks or your foursquare checking information right

00:36:44 ◼   ► alongside your calendar events.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Microsoft says that all of these pre-existing features will come back to Outlook in the

00:36:52 ◼   ► future and they're looking to release updates before the end of the year to bring feature

00:36:57 ◼   ► parity between Sunrise and Outlook.

00:37:00 ◼   ► Until that time they say we will keep Sunrise on the App Store until we have the same functionalities

00:37:05 ◼   ► on both apps so we can discontinue Sunrise and move all users back to Outlook.

00:37:11 ◼   ► And I gotta wonder, will it be too much to take everything that made Sunrise great, but

00:37:18 ◼   ► it was a dedicated app, and push it into Outlook, where the calendar view is a tab of the app.

00:37:27 ◼   ► Of course it can be a full app, it's a section of Outlook.

00:37:31 ◼   ► So I wonder if it will be too much or if maybe we'll end up with some kind of lightweight

00:37:37 ◼   ► version of Sunrise with some of the features that used to be the entire app.

00:37:43 ◼   ► We don't know yet but there's a lot missing right now so it's not really Sunrise.

00:37:49 ◼   ► There's a promise of Sunrise coming to Outlook and we got a more cleaned up interface in

00:37:55 ◼   ► In the meantime, we're still not looking at Sunrise inside Outlook.

00:38:01 ◼   ► We gotta wait a few more months, according to the Microsoft blog.

00:38:05 ◼   ► So on the Sunrise blog, they said that you can expect features like interesting calendars,

00:38:10 ◼   ► connected apps, and our three-day view to show up before the end of the year.

00:38:13 ◼   ► So this maybe shows a commitment to bring some of the more interesting things from Sunrise.

00:38:18 ◼   ► In my opinion, if they can do this, if they can pull this off, this is killer, right?

00:38:24 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:38:25 ◼   ► because okay so I'm still in mailbox land okay anybody that's listened to Cortex a couple of

00:38:31 ◼   ► weeks ago knows that I am in absolute just disarray about my email application situation

00:38:37 ◼   ► but I am using Outlook as well so I'm like using them both I'm trying to like slowly move over to

00:38:46 ◼   ► Outlook because I really like that app I think it's got a lot of great stuff the watch stuff is

00:38:50 ◼   ► really good that works really great I like all of that the app itself works really nicely the

00:38:54 ◼   ► search is pretty good so I'm trying to like get into the mindset of using an

00:38:58 ◼   ► app like that. My main problem at the moment is outlook on the desktop sucks

00:39:02 ◼   ► sucks it's nothing like this one and and if if Microsoft like just turn around

00:39:08 ◼   ► said here is outlook and it has all of the great features from the iOS versions

00:39:12 ◼   ► I would switch tomorrow that's the only thing that's kind of like holding me

00:39:16 ◼   ► back is right like oh you know it because outlook can do a bit of that

00:39:20 ◼   ► email manipulation stuff right like the snoozing of emails and stuff like that

00:39:23 ◼   ► So if I want to do that, I want that to be mirrored across all of my platforms

00:39:28 ◼   ► and the Outlook Mac app is not so good right now. So I'm kind of like floating

00:39:34 ◼   ► between the two of them, but the Outlook app itself is just... it's fantastic.

00:39:39 ◼   ► And they seem to be really dedicated. Like it's iOS 9 compatible,

00:39:44 ◼   ► it's split-screen compatible, it's... you know? They just released the WatchOS 2 app.

00:39:49 ◼   ► like this is whoever's building this whether it's like technically Microsoft

00:39:54 ◼   ► or it's still the Accomplete team right I don't know how it actually works it

00:39:59 ◼   ► seems like things are going pretty well there so I guess we can probably hope

00:40:05 ◼   ► that it's gonna be okay right that they are gonna do what they said they were

00:40:10 ◼   ► gonna do oh yeah they even said they got 30 million active users each month so

00:40:17 ◼   ► So that's a lot of people using Outlook.

00:40:22 ◼   ► I think they made a great choice with acquiring a company because clearly they had some kind

00:40:26 ◼   ► of vision for the future of this app.

00:40:29 ◼   ► And Microsoft, unlike Google, is being extremely conscious of the fact that they cannot force

00:40:36 ◼   ► their own metaphors for functionality and interface from another platform onto iOS.

00:40:44 ◼   ► being extremely good citizens when it comes to adopting interface, paradigms on iOS, new

00:40:52 ◼   ► technologies such as iOS 9, support for bigger iPads, multitasking, watchOS, they're really

00:41:00 ◼   ► doing a good job there.

00:41:03 ◼   ► The idea of integrations coming to Outlook via Sunrise, it's not only interesting I think

00:41:09 ◼   ► because of the potential utility in the calendar.

00:41:12 ◼   ► So you see all these other details about external services

00:41:17 ◼   ► into your list of events.

00:41:19 ◼   ► But when you think about it,

00:41:22 ◼   ► having Todoist integration into Outlook,

00:41:25 ◼   ► it could mean that you should be able to save emails

00:41:27 ◼   ► from the email part of Outlook into Todoist

00:41:32 ◼   ► because you'll be no longer connecting a service to Sunrise.

00:41:38 ◼   ► you will be connecting it to Outlook,

00:41:41 ◼   ► which is the entire email app.

00:41:43 ◼   ► So the potential for doing even more

00:41:45 ◼   ► with the integrations is huge.

00:41:49 ◼   ► You could connect your email inbox to a task manager

00:41:53 ◼   ► and save emails as tasks,

00:41:55 ◼   ► and then you could also see tasks in the calendar.

00:41:58 ◼   ► You could do a bunch of crazy things there.

00:42:00 ◼   ► - 'Cause apparently they're gonna be integrating

00:42:02 ◼   ► with Microsoft-owned Wunderlist as well,

00:42:05 ◼   ► or Wunderlist, I should say.

00:42:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, they said they don't plan to do the same thing

00:42:10 ◼   ► with Wunderlies to kind of--

00:42:13 ◼   ► - No, not to like swallow it up,

00:42:14 ◼   ► but there was a post on their Dev forum, I think,

00:42:18 ◼   ► which was, it basically said that they were looking

00:42:21 ◼   ► to have task integration built into Outlook.

00:42:24 ◼   ► And VillaList is obviously top of that list

00:42:26 ◼   ► 'cause it's part of the same company.

00:42:28 ◼   ► Yeah, that would be a disaster, right?

00:42:30 ◼   ► Trying to bring that inside of Outlook.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Like you got to stop somewhere.

00:42:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to stop somewhere.

00:42:36 ◼   ► That's why I'm both kind of concerned and curious to see what they do with all these

00:42:42 ◼   ► integrations to see how much they can enhance a calendar client without an email client

00:42:49 ◼   ► without making it too complex or too complicated to use because there's too many options,

00:42:55 ◼   ► too many settings.

00:42:56 ◼   ► It's great I think that they're trying to modernize email by looking at all these integrations

00:43:03 ◼   ► and trying to be, we want to embrace all these new iOS technologies, we want to be a great

00:43:10 ◼   ► iOS app. And that's great. But I don't want to see them doing too much. Just to say, hey

00:43:17 ◼   ► we've got all these features, we've got all these options and now people no longer know

00:43:20 ◼   ► how to use the app. So that's always a risk of course, feature creep. You don't want to

00:43:26 ◼   ► do that. So I guess we'll see how it goes before Christmas. They said before the end

00:43:31 ◼   ► of the year they want to do updates with sunrise features so we'll see how it goes.

00:43:35 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah I'm gonna keep my eye on this one I hope that it goes where we hope it

00:43:42 ◼   ► will I mean there's a lot of potential here to make a real killer productivity

00:43:46 ◼   ► app and Microsoft is still the company that can make that kind of stuff

00:43:52 ◼   ► happen especially now very exciting Federica yesterday when we were embracing

00:43:59 ◼   ► for the afternoon. Twitter exploded and turned faves into likes and replaced the

00:44:06 ◼   ► styles of hearts. How do you feel about this? I don't feel. I mean whatever, right?

00:44:16 ◼   ► It's an icon. I think people are reading way too much into

00:44:22 ◼   ► this. Like, I understand that the fave among some circles of tech nerds, it's like an institution,

00:44:30 ◼   ► right? It's the fave religion, like the fave meant this and it meant that, there's the sub-fave,

00:44:39 ◼   ► and there's... You need to realize that these nerds are the same people who are at the same time,

00:44:45 ◼   ► they're arguing for the future of Twitter, Twitter needs more people, Twitter needs more friendly,

00:44:50 ◼   ► And when Twitter does something that's more friendly and more understandable, they scream in revolt.

00:44:57 ◼   ► They're just "Oh my god, Twitter is killing us!"

00:45:00 ◼   ► You know? I just don't understand.

00:45:03 ◼   ► I mean, you want to save a tweet, now it's a heart instead of a star?

00:45:07 ◼   ► Whatever! You can still do the same thing.

00:45:09 ◼   ► It's just for the common user who doesn't know Twitter, doesn't know me,

00:45:14 ◼   ► could be more familiar with Facebook.

00:45:16 ◼   ► let's not hide the fact that people know Facebook more than Twitter.

00:45:19 ◼   ► If you really want Twitter to be more popular, I mean they tried with the stars for a few years

00:45:27 ◼   ► at this point, so try something new, could always be good for the business. You know,

00:45:32 ◼   ► you gotta make it more approachable for millions of other potential users. And I know that

00:45:38 ◼   ► hearts, likes won't save Twitter if the company needs any saving, if they won't bring 200 million

00:45:47 ◼   ► new users to Twitter tomorrow morning. But it's, you know, changing a product is a series of many

00:45:54 ◼   ► changes, many little changes. And it's easy to be, you know, the kind of armchair critic who knows

00:46:01 ◼   ► best, what's best for every company in the Valley.

00:46:06 ◼   ► I think, as usual, with any of these changes and memes that explode on Twitter, a lot of

00:46:16 ◼   ► nerds need to chill and to understand that the world doesn't care too much about faves.

00:46:26 ◼   ► And I say this as someone who over the years has accrued like thousands upon thousands

00:46:34 ◼   ► of faves.

00:46:35 ◼   ► I love the fave, I love the star.

00:46:37 ◼   ► But if Twitter decides that it needs to try some new things around like moments, likes,

00:46:43 ◼   ► all these other changes to make sure that more people get to know Twitter more easily

00:46:50 ◼   ► and if the functionality doesn't go away, I'm all for it.

00:46:54 ◼   ► And I don't particularly mind having a heart in my Twitter stream.

00:47:00 ◼   ► I think we need more hearts.

00:47:02 ◼   ► My feeling about this is it's just a different icon.

00:47:06 ◼   ► It acts in the exact same way.

00:47:09 ◼   ► You can put your own feeling onto it.

00:47:11 ◼   ► But the thing is, the reason I think this works is so many other social networks use

00:47:17 ◼   ► hearts.

00:47:18 ◼   ► And I know that people are saying that Facebook is, you know, they call it likes and they

00:47:22 ◼   ► a thumb and do that for a reason. But Facebook owned Instagram uses hearts. Vine uses hearts.

00:47:30 ◼   ► Periscope uses hearts. Apple Music uses hearts. Exactly, but like considering the fact that

00:47:36 ◼   ► three of the companies that Twitter owns uses hearts for their system like this,

00:47:40 ◼   ► it makes like you know they have like... Vine uses hearts, Periscope uses hearts. It makes sense to me

00:47:47 ◼   ► that twitter uses hearts and it might upset you right because you like the stars but i would say

00:47:54 ◼   ► to most people that are upset at this remember how everybody felt when twitter instituted the

00:48:00 ◼   ► retweet you know like the official retweet people were really mad about that oh yeah like like the

00:48:07 ◼   ► world was ending basically i would try not to worry about this if all the things twitter could

00:48:12 ◼   ► do this is not too bad. I wanted to see what you thought of it and you feel pretty much

00:48:18 ◼   ► exactly the same as I do which is good to see. Yeah I feel like you know there's always

00:48:24 ◼   ► some tension between the, so I call it the idealistic nerd who on paper is all for change

00:48:33 ◼   ► you know we need to change, we need to evolve, technology needs to embrace more people and all

00:48:38 ◼   ► all those ideals. But then when change is upon the idealistic nerd, he tends to hide

00:48:49 ◼   ► and be defensive about it and say "No, I don't want change. Why are you changing

00:48:53 ◼   ► this?" So on paper, you're pushing for "I want more people of all extractions,

00:49:00 ◼   ► people who understand other popular networks, other popular pieces of software. I want those

00:49:05 ◼   ► people to also understand my software. So beforehand you say "yeah we need to be more

00:49:09 ◼   ► open, we need to change, we need to explore" and then when you do get the change it's

00:49:17 ◼   ► the end of the world as you know it. And that's just such a peculiar and I don't want to

00:49:26 ◼   ► say silly but I'm going to say you need to understand and I realize this is a very

00:49:33 ◼   ► specific problem because the world doesn't care about faves and likes but we are talking

00:49:39 ◼   ► about it so you need to understand that these things people don't care about but if you

00:49:45 ◼   ► change them, if you make the entire package in a bunch of places, so it's an icon there,

00:49:53 ◼   ► it's a menu here, you know if you make all these little changes they do add up over time

00:49:58 ◼   ► So people may not care about the history or the politics behind the fave and the like,

00:50:05 ◼   ► but a social network like Twitter is a bunch of little features.

00:50:08 ◼   ► So they may not care about the behind the scenes stuff as we as geeks do, but the overall

00:50:15 ◼   ► product can be beneficial to people like my mom who doesn't understand Twitter and she

00:50:23 ◼   ► uses Twitter just to read my tweets in English.

00:50:27 ◼   ► I don't understand why she does that, but if her icon, which she knows, is simpler to

00:50:34 ◼   ► use and more understandable than a star, and my mom starts using likes on Twitter, I guess

00:50:42 ◼   ► that's a good thing.

00:50:44 ◼   ► So you know, change is a weird beast.

00:50:51 ◼   ► We appreciate the idea of change, but many times when they change our software, we are

00:50:57 ◼   ► mad about it.

00:50:59 ◼   ► And I guess, you know, this will be an unpopular opinion, but we'll be fine.

00:51:09 ◼   ► That's what I think.

00:51:10 ◼   ► We'll be fine.

00:51:11 ◼   ► It's hard.

00:51:12 ◼   ► It's not, you know.

00:51:13 ◼   ► It could have been a worse icon, you know.

00:51:16 ◼   ► It could have been, I don't know, a dollar.

00:51:18 ◼   ► It could have been a lamp.

00:51:20 ◼   ► A little egg?

00:51:21 ◼   ► It could have been a little egg.

00:51:23 ◼   ► It could have been a bird.

00:51:25 ◼   ► It's a heart.

00:51:26 ◼   ► So you know, unless you're CGP Grey who's a robot, everyone has a heart and will be

00:51:32 ◼   ► fine.

00:51:33 ◼   ► Well, I want to know that I heart you.

00:51:35 ◼   ► I heart you too, Myke.

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00:54:34 ◼   ► thank you so much to Harry's for their support this year. So the Apple TV now we

00:54:42 ◼   ► on upgrade this week me and Jason were joined by Joe Steele and we kind of

00:54:46 ◼   ► really went into the device and picked it apart and said the things that we

00:54:50 ◼   ► liked and kind of focused quite a bit on the things that we didn't like from a

00:54:53 ◼   ► kind of hardware perspective the setup stuff and things like that but I wanted

00:54:57 ◼   ► to talk about some different things of you today Federico I wanted to talk

00:54:59 ◼   ► about apps and games. So first off though, because we haven't had the chance to talk

00:55:06 ◼   ► about this yet, I want to get your thoughts on the hardware itself. What do you think

00:55:11 ◼   ► about the Apple TV? Do you like the remote?

00:55:15 ◼   ► The Apple TV is fine, it's just a small box. The TV remote I do like with two potentially

00:55:27 ◼   ► major reservations. First one is the trackpad is okay for navigation, I don't think they're

00:55:37 ◼   ► doing, at least developers or Apple, I don't know who's to blame here, I don't think the

00:55:43 ◼   ► trackpad does a good job for games. It's too small, I find myself struggling to control

00:55:51 ◼   ► games with the trackpad so I have to use a controller and I just don't think it makes

00:55:57 ◼   ► for a good input mechanism for games.

00:55:59 ◼   ► At least those that I've tried so far.

00:56:01 ◼   ► Could be that those games are conversions from iOS and will get an Apple TV only exclusive

00:56:08 ◼   ► game in the future that truly understands the trackpad.

00:56:12 ◼   ► That day is not today.

00:56:14 ◼   ► problem is that I'm constantly getting the orientation of the remote wrong

00:56:21 ◼   ► because the controls on the remote are exactly in the middle

00:56:27 ◼   ► and the remote is entirely black and there's a symmetry between the top half

00:56:32 ◼   ► and the bottom half so when I'm picking it up in the dark because I'm watching

00:56:37 ◼   ► TV or playing a game and I want to change something with the remote I'm

00:56:41 ◼   ► constantly switching the bottom half for the top one. So I'm either swiping on the wrong part of the remote or tapping a button instead of the other because it's basically upside down.

00:56:56 ◼   ► And I know you can feel the remote by touching the different surfaces of the glass and the trackpad, but it's not enough for me to quickly understand.

00:57:09 ◼   ► whereas the old one at a glance you could tell, ok, the controls are at the top

00:57:14 ◼   ► so this is the right orientation of the remote

00:57:17 ◼   ► now it's mostly symmetrical between the two halves of the device

00:57:25 ◼   ► and I'm really struggling to pick it up in the correct way

00:57:29 ◼   ► or to at least by feel quickly adjusting it in my hand

00:57:33 ◼   ► so I make sure that I'm controlling the right end of the remote

00:57:38 ◼   ► But aside from that, which maybe it's something that I will get used to, I don't know,

00:57:43 ◼   ► I think it's fine. It's a nice upgrade from the previous Apple TV.

00:57:49 ◼   ► And I'm not a huge TV, what do you say, consumer.

00:57:54 ◼   ► I don't watch TV, I only watch TV shows and the occasional comedy movie.

00:58:02 ◼   ► So, you know, I'm not a movie person. I know that.

00:58:05 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a shame that Steven isn't here this week because obviously me and you have

00:58:09 ◼   ► spoken about this, we don't really have much to say on a TV front, which is why I was more

00:58:13 ◼   ► interested in your opinion on apps and games, right?

00:58:15 ◼   ► So maybe he can fill us in about how he's using it as a TV box.

00:58:19 ◼   ► Just a quick aside, someone wasn't happy about my comments on not knowing Fassbender, the

00:58:27 ◼   ► actor from the Steve Jobs movie, and that person said that I sounded condescending.

00:58:33 ◼   ► I'm sorry if I did but it wasn't meant as a slide to people who watch movies.

00:58:38 ◼   ► I think everyone should have his own hobby and there's nothing wrong about watching

00:58:45 ◼   ► movies it's just I don't watch a lot of movies.

00:58:50 ◼   ► I do keep up with the occasional gossip from Hollywood and Fassbender is a name that I

00:58:57 ◼   ► haven't heard before.

00:58:59 ◼   ► I asked my close friends and my parents if they knew who this actor is, I showed them

00:59:04 ◼   ► pictures they didn't know him.

00:59:07 ◼   ► I was just saying from my limited understanding of pop culture and famous actors from Hollywood,

00:59:13 ◼   ► I've never seen this person before.

00:59:15 ◼   ► Now this listener got really upset at my tone and I'm sorry if you did but it's just you

00:59:21 ◼   ► know I don't know this person so I was just... and I like to make fun and crack a few jokes

00:59:27 ◼   ► here and there. But I'm not condescending. I think people who watch movies, people who

00:59:31 ◼   ► play video games, people who read books, they're all obvious and it's great.

00:59:35 ◼   ► I think what we've learned is just nobody in Italy knows who Michael Fassbender is.

00:59:39 ◼   ► Probably.

00:59:40 ◼   ► He has an Italy problem. We need to get onto his agent.

00:59:43 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. Anyway.

00:59:46 ◼   ► I want to talk about some of the things, some of the games and stuff that I've liked. Now

00:59:50 ◼   ► we both have the Nimbus controller, right?

00:59:53 ◼   ► Yes.

00:59:54 ◼   ► Now I wasn't going to get one of these, but I tried out a few games and I could see some

00:59:58 ◼   ► potential in them, so I decided that I'd pick up the controller.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Because like Alto's Adventure is a game that I love very dearly, and I tried playing it

01:00:06 ◼   ► on the Apple TV with the remote and it's kind of broken, you know?

01:00:10 ◼   ► You have to click the remote to make Alto jump, or any of the characters that you're

01:00:15 ◼   ► playing.

01:00:16 ◼   ► I play as Maya, she is my favourite character, I think she's the best.

01:00:20 ◼   ► You should really be tapping I think to make it work, because when you click on the remote

01:00:23 ◼   ► There's like a there's this stuff every slight delay, but that's all it takes but on the controller using the Nimbus controller

01:00:29 ◼   ► It's brilliant. It works perfectly and I found that with so many games like crossy road

01:00:33 ◼   ► Mm-hmm sucks with the remote trying to move the little guy around you can't do a quick enough with a d-pad on the Nimbus controller

01:00:40 ◼   ► It's awesome. Right? Yeah, like so geometry wars. I wouldn't even attempt to play geometry wars big

01:00:48 ◼   ► with the remote because Geometry Wars is a double stick a double analog stick

01:00:52 ◼   ► game right it always has been that's how you play it again works pretty good on

01:00:57 ◼   ► the Nimbus controller I'm not a big fan of their analog sticks I don't think

01:01:04 ◼   ► that they're very great and very comfortable yeah the rest of the

01:01:07 ◼   ► controller itself is good it feels good in the hand it's not massively expensive

01:01:11 ◼   ► it's the price of a controller but you know Geometry Wars plays well on it

01:01:16 ◼   ► Asphalt 8 as well I tried out, which is fine. My problem with that is like that

01:01:21 ◼   ► game is graphically quite intensive so every time I was selecting something it

01:01:26 ◼   ► was having to download more content right you know like the whole on-demand

01:01:33 ◼   ► content or whatever it's called the on-demand something it was having to

01:01:37 ◼   ► download a lot of those it plays fine it tries to be a console game it doesn't

01:01:40 ◼   ► look like a console game but it tries to be one and it you know again does a good

01:01:44 ◼   ► job with the controller. So overall like this is just again shown to me like why

01:01:50 ◼   ► why isn't there a controller like that is the only real way to play games on

01:01:55 ◼   ► this thing except for Beat Sports which is charming and I love it.

01:01:59 ◼   ► Did you have you played Beat Sports? Oh Federico you've got to get Beat

01:02:03 ◼   ► Sports. Yeah is it a single-player multiplayer game? It is single-player but

01:02:07 ◼   ► you can have multiplayer but I think the multiplayer is a bit weird but play the

01:02:11 ◼   ► single player. I'm telling you it's great. You know you were just saying a moment

01:02:14 ◼   ► ago about like the game design for Apple TV? That's it.

01:02:18 ◼   ► Okay. Because when you play on the iPhone you just swipe left and right I believe

01:02:24 ◼   ► like when you're doing two-player that you use an iPhone for it you swipe left

01:02:27 ◼   ► and right is my understanding I think that's how you do it. But you you use the

01:02:31 ◼   ► little remote it's like a bat to hit so you like swing the bat around. That is

01:02:35 ◼   ► the game designed for the Apple TV. Takes advantage of what is in the Apple TV

01:02:40 ◼   ► remote and it's great. The rest of them need the controller.

01:02:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree. I've only been playing, I've played a bunch of Cross

01:02:59 ◼   ► played the first 30 minutes, didn't stick with me, I never finished the game.

01:03:05 ◼   ► Now I'm playing on the TV, the game has been remastered to full HD, 60 frames per second,

01:03:12 ◼   ► it looks fantastic on the TV, and okay, it's really, I wouldn't say a rip-off, but it's a Zelda clone.

01:03:19 ◼   ► [laughs]

01:03:20 ◼   ► Yeah, Oceanhorn is basically an homage to Zelda.

01:03:26 ◼   ► Very strong one. Down to some of the music, I can see some similarities there.

01:03:33 ◼   ► The controls, the items, the entire mechanic of moving from island to island that's basically been lifted from Zelda Wind Waker.

01:03:44 ◼   ► It's very Zelda inspired, let's say. But it's a good game, you know?

01:03:50 ◼   ► the atmosphere is good, the colors are fantastic, looks great on the Apple TV, plays very nice

01:03:56 ◼   ► with the Nimbus controller and it's the closest thing to a Zelda game I could have right now,

01:04:03 ◼   ► especially following the disappointment of Triforce Heroes on the 3DS and not showing

01:04:11 ◼   ► the new Zelda on the Wii U. I want to play some Zelda-like game, I can play Oceanhorn

01:04:16 ◼   ► on the Apple TV. It's a good game. You can tell where it comes from, but it's a good

01:04:22 ◼   ► game.

01:04:23 ◼   ► Now my understanding was that charts had made their way to the Apple TV.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Yeah, but only...

01:04:30 ◼   ► Not for me!

01:04:31 ◼   ► Only in the US App Store, I think.

01:04:35 ◼   ► Right, okay. Yeah, weird that that's not there. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's

01:04:39 ◼   ► just because there's not enough apps?

01:04:43 ◼   ► Why?

01:04:44 ◼   ► Most of Apple TV apps, they're available in more than just the US.

01:04:55 ◼   ► Maybe logistics, maybe I don't know.

01:04:58 ◼   ► Maybe the guy who works at the European office is just sleeping.

01:05:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:05:03 ◼   ► No idea.

01:05:05 ◼   ► No idea.

01:05:08 ◼   ► There's no real reason here because the Apple TV came out in a bunch of countries at once.

01:05:13 ◼   ► Apps tend to be available in multiple markets on the App Store, so why is there no top chart

01:05:18 ◼   ► section outside of America?

01:05:22 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:05:23 ◼   ► No idea, Myke.

01:05:24 ◼   ► It's a weird omission, that's what I'm going to say.

01:05:27 ◼   ► I saw a tweet go by.

01:05:29 ◼   ► I saw this thing as well.

01:05:31 ◼   ► So this is from a guy by the name Myke Piatek-Heminis, I'm going to say.

01:05:38 ◼   ► And he had an app called Seasonality TV, which was number 31 in the top grossing overall

01:05:46 ◼   ► in the tvOS app store.

01:05:48 ◼   ► With only, and he says, in four days, total four days, the app had made $200.

01:05:55 ◼   ► Now I don't think that's very good numbers wise.

01:06:03 ◼   ► That doesn't feel to be number 31, right?

01:06:07 ◼   ► $200?

01:06:08 ◼   ► So I think what this maybe highlights is the limited market that is currently existing

01:06:13 ◼   ► for the Apple TV.

01:06:15 ◼   ► Yeah, for sure.

01:06:17 ◼   ► And I also, I want to say, I think Apple didn't help third party developers with this launch.

01:06:24 ◼   ► The App Store was especially limited, no categories to browse, search of course was too difficult

01:06:33 ◼   ► to do with the trackpad because there's no remote update to type on the iPhone.

01:06:37 ◼   ► So they weren't exactly helping developers with, say, ways for users to find their apps.

01:06:47 ◼   ► And so I would say that maybe those games and those apps that were featured on the front

01:06:51 ◼   ► page, they got some nice sales, maybe, I don't know, I'm not those developers. But for all

01:06:58 ◼   ► these other guys with apps on the Apple TV app store, you gotta give people an easier

01:07:06 ◼   ► way to find their apps. So you cannot link to apps. If you wanna search for an app, you

01:07:11 ◼   ► gotta type the name on the trackpad.

01:07:15 ◼   ► Because you can't search by Siri for apps either.

01:07:17 ◼   ► search for Siri, using Siri, there's no categories to browse, so now you have top charts, but

01:07:24 ◼   ► what about the first 4 to 5 days when it's, you know, the first day, the moment you get

01:07:28 ◼   ► a TV out of the box, you say "Ok, what am I supposed to download here?" That's when

01:07:33 ◼   ► you gotta give people ways to discover apps. So instead, what you got them is a featured

01:07:40 ◼   ► page on the App Store. So imagine this, imagine if the Apple Watch launched to a single App

01:07:47 ◼   ► store with no categories, no ways to search easily, and without the iOS app store as a

01:07:53 ◼   ► back end, which is where I would argue most people found apps for the Apple Watch.

01:07:59 ◼   ► It's really problematic if you're an indie developer and you were hoping to get some

01:08:02 ◼   ► kind of promotion or visibility, not necessarily to be featured, but to be found, and that's

01:08:08 ◼   ► a problem.

01:08:11 ◼   ► Imagine a department store where they just showed you what's in the windows and you couldn't

01:08:17 ◼   ► go inside and you had to talk to a guy through a little hole in the window and

01:08:21 ◼   ► tell him what you wanted. And he's like I've got tons of stuff in the stock

01:08:25 ◼   ► in like in the back here like if you want something and you're like well

01:08:28 ◼   ► what you got and he's got well just tell me a letter and we'll start the search.

01:08:33 ◼   ► It's not how it works man like you gotta you gotta try and surface it like already

01:08:39 ◼   ► there's not a ton of ways for people to discover things in the iOS App Store.

01:08:44 ◼   ► giving people even less places to find things in the in the Apple TV App Store

01:08:49 ◼   ► is not great. I mean I want to mirror this like so to underscore this point a

01:08:54 ◼   ► little bit I'm looking at the Apple TV App Store right now and it's the best

01:09:00 ◼   ► looking App Store right like those little the way you can like I don't know

01:09:06 ◼   ► what you'd call it but like move the little cards around and see the 3d

01:09:10 ◼   ► effects. It's awesome! The whole UI is one of my favorite UI

01:09:16 ◼   ► designs that Apple has ever done. It's so clean. I love that all of the artwork

01:09:21 ◼   ► doesn't have names anywhere until you hover over them.

01:09:24 ◼   ► And the artwork is nice rectangles which enable more interest in

01:09:30 ◼   ► design. I think all of that is great but there's just some parts of

01:09:34 ◼   ► it that just make it very 1.0. And the problem is

01:09:38 ◼   ► reason why, like I think people that are being a bit critical of this, I think

01:09:44 ◼   ► it's justified when Apple was saying like this is the future of TV right like

01:09:48 ◼   ► this is the best thing ever so you expect it to be super super awesome and

01:09:51 ◼   ► there are some really great things about it right but I'm just being like this is

01:09:57 ◼   ► a slow burner for me like there is a lot of work that needs to happen from

01:10:01 ◼   ► developer side from Apple side to really make this the next big platform.

01:10:07 ◼   ► I think there's the potential there. There's some really interesting stuff

01:10:11 ◼   ► that you can do with this type of technology and to have something

01:10:14 ◼   ► connected to such a big screen but I think that there is a lot more needs to

01:10:18 ◼   ► be done and one of the first things that needs to happen is Apple need to make a

01:10:21 ◼   ► video game controller because they need they need to just just put their money

01:10:25 ◼   ► where their mouth is with it right. The Nimbus controller is great and they're

01:10:28 ◼   ► promoting it awesome but I think it would make a bigger statement if Apple

01:10:32 ◼   ► made one. It doesn't even have to be good they're just gonna make one right just

01:10:35 ◼   ► to say like this is what you do this is how you make this. So there's a brand

01:10:39 ◼   ► new show on RealAFM today called Under the Radar. It's by Michael Arman and

01:10:44 ◼   ► _DavidSmith. We are honored to host this show it's about development.

01:10:48 ◼   ► They talk about kind of everything that goes into being a developer and it's a

01:10:53 ◼   ► weekly show no longer than 30 minutes which is fantastic. So let's get started.

01:10:58 ◼   ► That is the whole thing. I just need to say I can't help it. I need to say that.

01:11:04 ◼   ► lost count of the amount of times I've seen people say let's get started today.

01:11:07 ◼   ► So it's riffing on developing perspective and that's it

01:11:10 ◼   ► right so developing perspective which was Underscore's show previously was 15

01:11:15 ◼   ► minutes so there's two of them now so it's 30 minutes so it's basically the

01:11:19 ◼   ► merging of developing perspective and build and analyze so that's the

01:11:23 ◼   ► promotional part that I wanted to talk about but they had a great discussion on

01:11:26 ◼   ► their episode that came out today about adapting to the market and both of them

01:11:30 ◼   ► were talking about the fact that right now neither of them have anything in the

01:11:36 ◼   ► store right but they both got the dev kits but the problem that they found was

01:11:41 ◼   ► trying to devote the time to make something for another platform right so

01:11:47 ◼   ► they both have iOS apps they both have iPad apps they both have services that

01:11:52 ◼   ► need to run they both have watch apps so it was like to be an independent iOS app

01:11:57 ◼   ► developer and to be like you know a fully good one if you as you'd say you

01:12:01 ◼   ► have to do a lot of work on a lot of different platforms and it's I listening

01:12:06 ◼   ► to the way that they were talking about it it feels like that there is potential

01:12:10 ◼   ► harm for this platform because it is yet another one to work for which is

01:12:17 ◼   ► unproven and the only way it is proven it's like a chicken and egg scenario

01:12:20 ◼   ► right you need the apps to make it a great platform but to make it for to

01:12:25 ◼   ► incentivize people to make the apps the platform has to be great.

01:12:29 ◼   ► Yeah. What do you think? Do you think that the Apple TV has the potential?

01:12:37 ◼   ► Yes but it needs time, you know, and it needs many updates. Especially when the

01:12:42 ◼   ► this potentially strongest advocates for your new device. So people like us, they

01:12:50 ◼   ► are annoyed by some very clear limitations that you should have seen coming. You gotta

01:12:57 ◼   ► make those people happy first. People start recommending the product, the product becomes

01:13:01 ◼   ► more understandable by the masses. So search the remote, you gotta fix these basic things

01:13:08 ◼   ► I think. And with the device, and especially App Store Discovery, I feel like we're repeating

01:13:17 ◼   ► the same mistakes over and over. And I would strongly advise developers to consider carefully

01:13:27 ◼   ► whether they want to make their apps and games universal downloads on iOS and tvOS or standalone

01:13:34 ◼   ► downloads on tvOS. So, you know, do your math, consider your costs for making software for

01:13:44 ◼   ► iOS, TVOS, then you gotta use some web components, iCloud, maybe have a watchOS version. It's

01:13:51 ◼   ► a lot of platforms, man. It's a lot of different devices that you gotta account for. So if

01:13:58 ◼   ► you're a developer, don't just maybe jump on yet another TV version of your app. Like

01:14:03 ◼   ► many developers did watch kit versions of their apps back in April. And how many of

01:14:10 ◼   ► you are using those apps now anyway. So maybe take your time, you know, it won't be the

01:14:15 ◼   ► end of the world, the TV is not as quickly adopted as a new iPhone. So you get time,

01:14:21 ◼   ► consider the platform, see where it's going and I would strongly advise Apple to start

01:14:26 ◼   ► releasing updates to fix these basic annoyances and to take a good hard look at the App Store

01:14:31 ◼   ► and consider how if they want the future of the TV to be the Apple TV, and if that future

01:14:40 ◼   ► includes apps, you got to make it easy for people to support apps, to find apps, to install

01:14:47 ◼   ► and manage apps.

01:14:49 ◼   ► We need updates and we need time.

01:14:51 ◼   ► We got to check back after the next few updates to see how it's going.

01:14:55 ◼   ► I'm not sure how I feel about the universal app.

01:14:59 ◼   ► Yeah, me neither.

01:15:00 ◼   ► I feel like this really should have been one where they didn't do that.

01:15:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:06 ◼   ► I mean, let me say, right, as a consumer, it's really great that I just went to my

01:15:11 ◼   ► purchase tab and downloaded a bunch of video games for free, right?

01:15:15 ◼   ► That's cool as a consumer, but that it feels dangerous for the development

01:15:22 ◼   ► community to be like the expectation that this is like, this is something

01:15:26 ◼   ► completely different.

01:15:27 ◼   ► This is a TV.

01:15:28 ◼   ► It's not iOS, right?

01:15:30 ◼   ► It's not even, it's not called iOS. I know it is iOS basically, but it's not called that.

01:15:35 ◼   ► This was a scenario where Apple could have said, you know, like you're used to with many of your apps on the Mac and iOS,

01:15:42 ◼   ► your preferences and your saves will sync across using iCloud, but you need to pay again for this stuff.

01:15:48 ◼   ► That, I believe that's what should have happened because we're talking about the idea of how difficult it is for developers

01:15:54 ◼   ► to have to put another system in. Well now for many of them this is adding another system in,

01:16:00 ◼   ► more development time, for no more money. That's a problem to me I think.

01:16:05 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. I don't know what to think yet, yeah. I guess I wanna-

01:16:11 ◼   ► Services like Netflix, services like YouTube, right?

01:16:15 ◼   ► Yeah I mean of course.

01:16:15 ◼   ► Free apps that benefit from being everywhere, like of course they remain free. But Crossy Road

01:16:22 ◼   ► and Transistor and Oceanhorn. Like I feel like you should be paying again for these

01:16:29 ◼   ► games. I really do. It's difficult, it's really difficult to think about it because

01:16:34 ◼   ► you know like I think about it as a consumer like me and you always

01:16:37 ◼   ► complaining on virtual about the fact that you have to play like that Nintendo

01:16:42 ◼   ► don't sync your game saves and stuff like that and they do don't do cross by

01:16:46 ◼   ► and cross by is really great but I don't know man it just it feels it feels like

01:16:51 ◼   ► it's really kind of making it difficult for people to make money. It's difficult

01:16:57 ◼   ► because I like I'll be honest about it like I'm I'm can't you kind of sit in

01:17:01 ◼   ► the middle of it you can be a friend to developers and understanding what they

01:17:04 ◼   ► go through and then you think about it as a consumer and it's like it's awesome

01:17:07 ◼   ► that I pay $2.99 and I've got this game everywhere. It's a real kind of tough

01:17:12 ◼   ► line but I feel like this was one where they at least could have just started

01:17:18 ◼   ► again and made people pay again but that hasn't happened and I think that

01:17:23 ◼   ► ultimately that may be a problem for Apple TV. Did you have anything else that

01:17:29 ◼   ► you wanted to add on this? Yes, just a note, not on the TV but a quick note

01:17:33 ◼   ► before we end the show, I got an email about an update to Evernote on the

01:17:39 ◼   ► App Store which now supports sketches in Notes. You can now draw sketches and it

01:17:47 ◼   ► It supports multitasking and it's been updated for the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil support.

01:17:54 ◼   ► This is interesting, right, that they're doing sketches exactly like notes, basically.

01:17:59 ◼   ► Of course.

01:18:01 ◼   ► And part of me says they must have felt the pressure from the Free Notes app, but also

01:18:08 ◼   ► Evernote owns Penultimate, you know, the sketching app.

01:18:12 ◼   ► So I wonder if it will be kind of merged into Evernote like Microsoft is doing for Sunrise

01:18:18 ◼   ► and Outlook.

01:18:19 ◼   ► But it's interesting that Evernote is now trying to do the same feature set of the free

01:18:25 ◼   ► Notes app and with support for the iPad Pro, Apple Pencil, it will be interesting to test

01:18:30 ◼   ► this to see what they're doing here.

01:18:34 ◼   ► I think it is going to be interesting over the next few weeks, right?

01:18:38 ◼   ► the rumor is maybe next week the iPad Pro goes on sale, I saw that on 9to5Mac.

01:18:45 ◼   ► It's going to be interesting over the next week or so to see the apps that are being

01:18:49 ◼   ► updated and if they're going to take advantage of the iPad Pro.

01:18:51 ◼   ► So this is another one, right?

01:18:54 ◼   ► This is another one that is potentially going to be adding more work in for these people.

01:19:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

01:19:06 ◼   ► I want to see if it's yet another feature in Evernote, you know?

01:19:11 ◼   ► Like another one?

01:19:12 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:19:13 ◼   ► We'll see how it goes, Myke.

01:19:15 ◼   ► Alright, I think it's time to wrap up.

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