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0:00:06From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 59.
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0:00:20My name is Myke Hurley and I have the pleasure as always by being joined by Mr Federico Fittigi.
0:00:24Hello Myke.
0:00:26Hello Federico.
0:00:27Hi.
0:00:28Hi, I'm Mr. Steven Hackett as well. Hello, sir, how are you?
0:00:32Hello, Myke, and also hello, Federico.
0:00:35Hello, Steven, and also Myke again.
0:00:37And hello to the listeners out there.
0:00:40This has been Connected.
0:00:43Anyway, Steven, let's do some follow-up.
0:00:46Yeah, so it's two-part follow-up today.
0:00:50The first one is about 3D Touch.
0:00:53We're going to talk about 3D Touch later in the show.
0:00:55Are we following up before we've even got to the topic?
0:00:58Yeah, well, because we have to take care of the past issues with the topic before we can
0:01:02move to the present issues of the topic.
0:01:04Okay.
0:01:05What?
0:01:06Have you not learned anything about how this works?
0:01:08This has gotten so confusing, all these prepositions after the follow part of the show.
0:01:13Follow up, follow in, follow out.
0:01:15This is like follow before or something.
0:01:17Yeah, it's like a combo in Street Fighter.
0:01:19I'm not sure I'm following anymore.
0:01:21Whatever.
0:01:22It's like follow around.
0:01:24Okay. Okay. Follow round robin. We had talked concerning 3d touch if if some people would find
0:01:34it uncomfortable to use because you got to put force down. Myke I think you and I had both voiced
0:01:39some concern about that. We heard from a couple people this week saying that that was
0:01:43indeed the case for them that they found the act of like pushing kind of through the glass
0:01:51That sort of sensation being uncomfortable. I think it's nice that Apple included in accessibility the option to
0:01:59Adjust the sensitivity of 3d touch, so there's basically low
0:02:04Like the medium which is the default and then high and they even include a little image on that screen where you can
0:02:12Practice the 3d touch just to kind of see how it feels
0:02:15I've ended up turning mine down
0:02:19so it's easier not because it was uncomfortable for my thumb, but I
0:02:22Because I have this 6s plus and because I use it
0:02:28One-handed a good bit of the time. I knew that I was just gonna 3d touch it out of my hand
0:02:32And so I turned it down to be a little bit easier
0:02:36So I don't like pushing down icon it just like flips out of my hand into the abyss
0:02:39But uh, so yeah, so there's that
0:02:42Have you guys had any issues with it?
0:02:45Are you trolling me?
0:02:48- Oh, Puerto Rico.
0:02:50I did turn it all the way down.
0:02:52I've said this before, I will maintain my position.
0:02:56I find 3D touch a little bit uncomfortable
0:02:59just 'cause you're smooshing, you know?
0:03:00You're like smooshing your finger into the screen.
0:03:02I did have pain in my thumb,
0:03:04but I think it's 'cause I was like a couple of days ago,
0:03:06but like, I think I was using it too much, right?
0:03:08I was like constantly trying to activate
0:03:12the multitasking thing.
0:03:14And I think the problem is because it's so far away,
0:03:18right, on the six plus,
0:03:20that if you play around a bit too much, it's gonna hurt.
0:03:24But like I actually don't like, that's the title,
0:03:27I actually don't like the multitasking gesture,
0:03:31I think it's a bit awkward, to activate.
0:03:34So I'll probably keep to the home button.
0:03:36But yeah, I did turn it all the way down
0:03:38and I like the force touch in it,
0:03:42in the like the what is it called this the actual setting the lowest sensitivity
0:03:48whatever they call it yeah I think it's I think it's nicer that way you guys
0:03:54have currently never played Super Smash Brothers or Street Fighter or Tekken to a
0:03:59very obsessive extent because the more you play these games you develop some
0:04:04kind of thumb resistance and you never feel pain or you know slight touches on
0:04:10your thumb ever again. So I feel like this won't be an issue for me because I
0:04:14have the thumb skin of a gamer.
0:04:18Well, I mean, my issue isn't so much the problem with the skin on my thumb, it's the pain in the joints.
0:04:27It doesn't hurt my thumb like the tip of my thumb, it's hurting like the joint of
0:04:32my thumb. And I'm probably like in the minority and I was saying it's an
0:04:36upgrade I'm very sensitive to the thought of RSI at the moment so I think
0:04:41I'm overreacting but it's just because it's really really in the front of
0:04:46my mind because I've been getting wrist pains again so I think I'm just I'm very
0:04:50sensitive to the idea of something making that worse so I'm just it's just
0:04:57been something I've been thinking about but we'll talk about 3d touch and our
0:05:00opinions of it a little bit later on in the show today hey why don't you why
0:05:03Why don't you press with your nose, Myke?
0:05:05Do you know what?
0:05:06I haven't tried that.
0:05:07Let's do that right now.
0:05:08You're so proud of your nose as an input mechanism.
0:05:11Yeah, it works, man.
0:05:14Are you seriously trying to press your nose against the glass?
0:05:16I am doing it right now.
0:05:18And I'm selecting something with workflow, so I'm dragging my nose across the screen.
0:05:23The problem is when you're that close to the phone, you can't see it.
0:05:26That's the only problem.
0:05:27This has gone too far, Myke.
0:05:28I activated a workflow.
0:05:29I activated the Convert Time Zone workflow.
0:05:33your nose with my nose and 3d touch good work yeah I feel like I have gone too
0:05:38far it's a miracle of technology Myke thank you thank you for trying Michael
0:05:43Carlos sent in some follow-up about the Apple TV in regards to Apple music how
0:05:49is he doing he's pretty good he's pretty good yeah he's he's you know hammering
0:05:54away on the Apple TV or something and so this is what Carlos said this is in
0:05:58discussion in response to the discussion we had about Apple music and the seeming
0:06:02lack of support in the Apple TV. With music you can choose things on the screen with Siri,
0:06:10which is probably accessibility driven. So for example if you're on their Apple Music
0:06:14New page and it shows Ellie Goulding, you can say play Ellie Goulding and it will play,
0:06:19or you could say show me activity playlists and it would go to that screen. But if for
0:06:23example you said play the Arctic Monkeys and none of their music was on that page you get
0:06:27an error. So currently there's no way to access Apple Music content beyond what is featured
0:06:31on you and for you, providing you're on those screens. Interestingly, Siri does correctly
0:06:37interpret the band name and artists to display a name in the Siri UI, it just can't do anything
0:06:41with them. And some Siri commands that are supported in the music app are play, pause,
0:06:46fast forward and start over. Not supported are skip track, next track and next.
0:06:52How weird, right? Like especially the music commands, because you can see the music commands
0:06:56that work are the commands that you would say when you're watching a TV show, right?
0:07:01play pause fast forward and start over but skip track next track and next
0:07:05obviously you don't say those things when you're watching something on the
0:07:08TV so they're not gonna work so again pre-release but if this is the way it
0:07:12actually is that's super strange to me. Maybe Carlos should try in Spanish.
0:07:18That's a good point. Except his name was Bob until you changed it so I don't know
0:07:22if that I don't know if he's had time to learn Spanish in a week. I know what I
0:07:26I didn't say before, his full name was Spanish Bob, and now we've changed it to Carlos.
0:07:32I can improvise some Spanish like "Prothema Cancion", I guess it's "next track", you know?
0:07:38I'm just making up Spanish words from Italian ones.
0:07:43I don't think our Spanish friends would be very happy that that's how you consider their language.
0:07:47It's really similar!
0:07:48And I have new, I made some new Spanish friends here in Rome, they're studying at the same
0:07:53dance school where Sylvia goes and I studied Spanish back in middle school
0:07:59and I haven't spoken any Spanish in like 10 years but I understand
0:08:03Spanish quite a bit and now I'm you know with these new friends I'm exposed to
0:08:07more Spanish every day but still Prothema Cantion is probably not the
0:08:11right way to say it. Hang on. I'm sure we will get tons of follow-up. Can you back
0:08:16up a second? You were in middle school ten years ago? No actually it's a little more.
0:08:24The thing to remember is like what people call schools, the different types
0:08:29of schools, is different all over the world. Yeah but you're not 18 in middle
0:08:33school anywhere. No but more like 15 years ago Steven. Well thank you for
0:08:37making me feel old. I bet you were feeling alone today so you really needed
0:08:41of these. Thank you for making me feel younger. And thank you all for making me
0:08:46feel the exact same age as I was before even though I hardly ever know what that
0:08:50is. El Capitan reviews are out it comes out September 30th which is tomorrow as
0:08:55we record this. I mean okay it's not it's fine right I've been running it on my
0:09:01laptop the best parts that I find about El Capitan is like the Notes app and I
0:09:08I love the new mission control.
0:09:09The split screen stuff, I like all of that.
0:09:13- So I think,
0:09:16I think El Capitan is an interesting release
0:09:21but it's not a very noteworthy one.
0:09:25There was nothing in it in my opinion,
0:09:27my review's coming up a little bit later today.
0:09:30In my opinion, there's nothing in it
0:09:32that couldn't be a point of date to Yosemite, honestly.
0:09:37I think it's fine, they're gonna do this annual release thing,
0:09:42and that's fine, I don't like it,
0:09:44but they don't listen to me.
0:09:46But the--
0:09:48- Hey Rich, shouldn't Ava.
0:09:50- Wow.
0:09:51I don't understand why they do an annual release,
0:09:54I just wish they didn't.
0:09:56I think though, when they do these annual releases,
0:09:59that there's only so much that they can get done
0:10:00within a year.
0:10:01I mean, even look at photos,
0:10:05You know it came out in 10.10.3 so it was it was basically mid-cycle Yosemite and I
0:10:12think that's because they couldn't get it out the door in time to launch with Yosemite
0:10:15or wasn't ready or who knows what.
0:10:18And so they already they already do things mid-cycle it's just that the cycle is really
0:10:23fast and I don't know that the Mac is you know the Mac is stable the Mac is is a mature
0:10:28platform and in my mind the days like really crazy OSN updates are probably behind us.
0:10:35I mean Yosemite's gonna set the tone for years to come
0:10:39and LCAP is just not a very big step past that.
0:10:42Which is fine, I'm perfectly okay with that.
0:10:45It's just important going into it like
0:10:47our lack of enthusiasm is sort of born from
0:10:52like it's kind of a boring update.
0:10:54- I think like they do the yearly releases
0:10:57because I guess now 'cause they have yearly releases
0:10:59on iOS right?
0:11:00So like as iOS needs new features sometimes
0:11:03some of those features have to be mirrored on the Mac.
0:11:07So they're gonna have to put stuff out every year anyway,
0:11:10so they might as well just say,
0:11:11well everything comes out once a year.
0:11:13- It's features and it's shared technologies.
0:11:17And so things like continuity and handoff
0:11:21using NSURL session, that sort of stuff,
0:11:24is more and more of that shared.
0:11:26You know, when Apple did their sort of reorg
0:11:30and rethink about the way the things they build,
0:11:33It used to be that there'd be people in the OS 10 division
0:11:36and the iOS division building on the same thing,
0:11:40but not having a lot of communication,
0:11:42and not having, you know, basically having the minimal,
0:11:46viable teamwork kind of between those organizations.
0:11:49And now it is much more sort of mixed and open
0:11:53and put together, and I think that helps OS 10
0:11:57and iOS work better together, but I think that does
0:12:00basically ensure that we're gonna see an annual release.
0:12:02It just means that each one is not a snow leopard release.
0:12:06Like El Capitan is not a snow leopard release.
0:12:08There are new features.
0:12:09There are actually quite a few user facing features.
0:12:14But the more they share, the more that these things are just going to be tied together
0:12:19naturally.
0:12:20And I think that's fine.
0:12:21I think you just have to understand that the trade-offs that come with that.
0:12:24There are some interesting developer technologies in El Capitan, I think.
0:12:28There's like a new compression algorithm that supposedly doesn't have many advantages over
0:12:34the old compression stuff that they did but it's faster.
0:12:39There's of course Swift 2, there's a new Xcode, there's a lot of some welcome metal changes
0:12:46for developers.
0:12:49More specifically this is for games and graphical intensive apps.
0:12:54But I haven't seen, probably because I don't have a Mac that supports the latest metal
0:12:58things, but there's a potential for a lot of improved games coming to OS X with Metal.
0:13:07And I've seen of course the other technical changes, the system integrity protection,
0:13:13which you know, this I wanted to ask people like Steven and Myke, you know, you too use
0:13:21OS X quite a bit and this SIP stuff is going to change the way that some apps can modify
0:13:27the system because it doesn't give admin users access to kernel modifications, that kind
0:13:34of stuff. Do you think this will be a problem for years to come if you want to tinker with
0:13:42OS X, if you want to change stuff, if you want to modify things? And I'm considering
0:13:48like candy bar which used to be an app to change the system icons or even
0:13:52Dropbox it started as a finder hack to show syncing icons in the in the finder
0:13:59and to make a special Dropbox folder. Do you think that this new security stuff
0:14:03in El Capitan is going to be a problem for future generation of kids who want to
0:14:06just mess around and create things by breaking the existing frameworks and
0:14:11features of the OS? I mean I think to a degree but I think it's one of those
0:14:15things where you know you look back at
0:14:17older versions of OS X where all that stuff was
0:14:19possible you know the era of the Haxi.
0:14:23We were doing some crazy stuff to our system
0:14:25that really did you know take advantage
0:14:28and even create security issues on the
0:14:31system. I think OS X will always be more
0:14:35flexible and more open than iOS in that
0:14:37way but I don't I don't blame Apple that
0:14:40they've got to solve these issues and
0:14:42that they need to ensure that their system is secure from things like code injection
0:14:50and all sorts of other stuff that can happen.
0:14:52And SIP is interesting.
0:14:54It's basically looking after the welfare of the system itself.
0:14:58You can still play out in user land all you want within sandboxing and stuff.
0:15:03So I think it's just one more step in that direction.
0:15:06I do think that some types of apps will go away.
0:15:11Just like apps that can't exist under sandboxing
0:15:16have been removed from the store
0:15:18and now only exist on the outside.
0:15:20It does mean that certain types of things
0:15:23will have to change or be updated.
0:15:25Like I know Bartender 2, which comes out today,
0:15:28Bartender 2 is slightly revamped
0:15:34so it can work within the new confines.
0:15:36For instance, I think legitimate developers and legitimate applications will find ways
0:15:39around it.
0:15:40I think that things that are not legitimate will continue to be more difficult to work
0:15:43on.
0:15:44And that's a fine trade-off with me.
0:15:46Yeah, I don't understand it enough in all honesty.
0:15:50But as long as ... Because I don't do anything I think that's really, really crazy to the
0:15:55system.
0:15:58Stuff like bartenders, as far as I go, my expectation would be the things that I use
0:16:04and the things that most nerds like me use will probably end up being okay.
0:16:10And as long as that's the case, then good stuff.
0:16:12Cool.
0:16:13Yeah, it's not keeping me up at night.
0:16:14It's not.
0:16:15My very, very little understanding is it's not as tough as sandboxing was.
0:16:20Yep.
0:16:21It depends on what you're trying to do, I guess.
0:16:24There's an issue of the principle of locking down some system modifications.
0:16:32It's more of a theoretical problem than maybe a practical one for prosumers of some kind,
0:16:40you know, people like us, people like you actually, you use OS X to a professional extent.
0:16:47Even if you don't, like you're not a rocket science engineer, you're not doing crazy stuff,
0:16:52but you're still using OS X for work, so you're maybe above the threshold of consumer.
0:16:57And for people like you, you want to install bartender, you want to make some lightweight
0:17:02modifications so the technology is, you know, you can say it's not a big deal for me, I
0:17:08understand the concern but it doesn't affect me in any meaningful way.
0:17:12But for people who really like to mess around, to play around, to look at stuff, to change
0:17:16settings and other things that Apple doesn't want you to change, that's gonna be not a
0:17:20theoretical problem but a practical one.
0:17:23So it'll be interesting, like right now, I ask you, I ask Steven and you say it's not
0:17:28a big deal for me. But I want to see in a couple of years when this becomes the common
0:17:33practice you cannot access these types of system features unless you go through crazy
0:17:38hoops to disable them. I'm curious to see if we will ever get the same degree of customization
0:17:45on our stand that we used to have. Probably not. Probably there's going to be some new
0:17:49way to play around, hack things, break them, I don't know. We'll see.
0:17:54Yeah, I agree, it's definitely one to watch out for.
0:17:57Alright, let's take our first break.
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0:20:22Do we want to talk about our new phones?
0:20:25Yeah, I mean, I think what might be fun is because a couple of weeks ago we spoke about
0:20:30and we looked at your post, Steven, that you did about the kind of the things that you
0:20:35wanted in the 6+ and I think it might be fun to look at that through that lens.
0:20:42Does that make sense? So like to see were we right? Did we get the things that we
0:20:46wanted? Yeah so we had talked about things like RAM I think it was a RAM
0:20:53speakers, Taptic Motor and Touch ID I think were the big four things. Yeah I
0:20:57think so that sounds about right. And so I think we spoke last week you and I
0:21:03both have the 6s plus we stayed in the
0:21:08Myke was right Club I think Federico
0:21:09will do that once the phone is available
0:21:10to him so correct for you
0:21:12yes so I think the biggest thing for me
0:21:21at least is that the the RAM has been
0:21:25updated to two gigs and with the with
0:21:29the improved processor speed that the
0:21:33The 6S Plus, at least in my experience,
0:21:35is much faster than the old Plus.
0:21:38You know, the old Plus really struggled at times.
0:21:41It's got more pixels to drive than the regular 6,
0:21:44and basically with the same internals.
0:21:47And at times, the 6 Plus could really feel bogged down.
0:21:51We've spoken a lot about that over the last year.
0:21:52We were just sort of like bottom out sometimes.
0:21:54And I have not had that with the 6S Plus.
0:21:58And I'm sure part of that is the new iOS install,
0:22:00and there's lots of factors,
0:22:01but I really do think that this phone really finally has
0:22:04the horsepower it needs to drive the display.
0:22:07And I mean the RAM really is what I feel the most often
0:22:10that I can go back into Safari and my tabs are still there.
0:22:13That would never happen on the regular Plus.
0:22:15The multitasking is much smoother and much faster.
0:22:18Just all in all it feels much more responsive
0:22:21and much more sort of ready to take on what I throw at it.
0:22:25And that alone is worth the upgrade for me at least.
0:22:29Every piece of the OS feels faster to me.
0:22:32Like, I mean, I know this is the RAM and the,
0:22:35it's A9, right?
0:22:37- Yep.
0:22:39- Yeah, the A9 chip, working in tandem
0:22:41and making it just an incredibly capable device,
0:22:44which makes me very happy.
0:22:45There were a couple of like parts of the UI
0:22:48that I would see slowdowns in on the 6 Plus,
0:22:51but I'm not seeing anything like that with the 6S Plus.
0:22:55I never get the S in the right place in my mind.
0:22:58I wasn't like I never sure if it's 6s+ or 6+s it just confuses me.
0:23:03So one thing that we didn't mention actually but it was in your piece was I mean I dreamed
0:23:06that you had Steven which was to fix the camera lens issue like the little bump but they didn't
0:23:11do that.
0:23:12Still there.
0:23:13Yep.
0:23:14I mean it's not an issue to me.
0:23:16No and the new camera is noticeably better I mean that they bumped the resolution and
0:23:23I've done some additional things and to my eye at least it is drastically better.
0:23:27So I, you know, if it was keep the old camera and get rid of the bump or get a new camera
0:23:32and keep the bump then I'd prefer a new camera.
0:23:35So I'm happy with that.
0:23:39So the speakers, I haven't seen any marked improvement on those.
0:23:43Like I haven't noticed it being any louder of you.
0:23:46No if anything mine seems a touch softer than the old one.
0:23:51Oh no!
0:23:53next year. At some point they gotta do something with the Beats stuff. I've used Android phones.
0:24:00It is gimmicky, but they can really get the volume in there. I'm hoping that the 7 will
0:24:08have something. They're doing that on the iPad Pro, right? They made a big deal with
0:24:11the speakers, and hopefully that happens with the other devices too.
0:24:14The iPad Pro thing, it just makes everything else seem so crazy. There's four speakers
0:24:19on it, right? It's like we get one quiet speaker, not quiet, but one decent speaker on everything
0:24:27else but that one gets four of them. Is it like they had a speaker shortage in Cupertino
0:24:30because they put them all on the iPad Pro? There's no more speakers to go around because
0:24:35there's four.
0:24:36And it's not just four speakers, but when you rotate the device, the audio reflows correctly
0:24:42depending on the device's orientation. That's crazy. And according to people who tried it,
0:24:47really does work like they say so. You know, I'm excited about the speaker part of the
0:24:52iPad Pro, honestly.
0:24:54I bet that thing gets super loud. Like, I bet you can crank that thing up.
0:24:58Yeah, yeah. That's what I want to do. You know, crank it all up.
0:25:02Especially with a larger screen, imagine how big the little speaker UI could be. It could
0:25:05be like, you know, 20 little pips there or something.
0:25:09Yeah, I want my neighbors to complain because of my iPad Pro. That's my goal. It's gonna
0:25:15- That's gonna be my review.
0:25:17- All right, Touch ID.
0:25:18It's kind of fast to a fault, right?
0:25:21Like it's just, it's like mental.
0:25:24- Yeah, I agree.
0:25:26I'm sure like everyone else had the habit
0:25:29of sort of bumping my home button
0:25:30to look at the lock screen to see my notifications.
0:25:33And when you, I mean, you just have to graze the thing now
0:25:38and it unlocks.
0:25:40It is really, really fast and that's nice.
0:25:44You know, you don't, it used to be like,
0:25:46you know, I pick up my phone and I've gotta rest my thumb
0:25:48there for a second, and now that seems so archaic,
0:25:50but I need to relearn the how do I wake up my phone
0:25:54to look at the screen workflow,
0:25:56because bumping the home button unlocks the phone.
0:25:59And so I've tried to get used to hitting the power button.
0:26:02I also, I, one of the fingers I use,
0:26:07so my Touch ID I have set up with both thumbs
0:26:09and both index fingers.
0:26:10So if my hands are full or the phone's sitting down,
0:26:12I can unlock it anywhere.
0:26:14And I've taken my index fingers off Touch ID now,
0:26:17just have my thumbs.
0:26:18And so if someone removes my thumbs,
0:26:19I can't get in my phone anymore.
0:26:21But that has helped too a little bit.
0:26:23I just know to use my index finger
0:26:24if I just want to look at the screen,
0:26:25but then you have to remember that too.
0:26:27It's nice, but the trade off is a little weird.
0:26:30- Yeah, it's great that it is fast,
0:26:32but like I think when I mentioned how much,
0:26:34like I wanted it to be instant, which it basically is now,
0:26:37I didn't think about the idea that like now
0:26:40I would never see the home screen again.
0:26:42Because, I mean, you know, you can unlock it with the side button, but that's just not,
0:26:47you know, that's like seven years, seven, eight, however many years it's been of brain
0:26:51training that would have to go away.
0:26:54You know?
0:26:55>> Yep.
0:26:56Totally agree.
0:26:57>> Federico.
0:26:58>> Yes.
0:26:59>> When can you get one?
0:27:03>> That's -- I don't know what's the proper answer to that.
0:27:08When it launches in Italy.
0:27:09That's my -- what I'm going to say.
0:27:11On October 9th, my girlfriend and I are going to buy an iPhone 6s for her and a 6s Plus
0:27:18for me.
0:27:19We're both going to go with the 64GB model, of course.
0:27:24I'm not going to get the top of the line model because I don't really need all the storage.
0:27:29So it's less than two weeks at this point.
0:27:33And if anything, if everything goes correctly and they follow the same pattern as last year,
0:27:39They're gonna have, so the iPhone launches on Friday, and in theory on Wednesday they
0:27:44should put up the reservation page online.
0:27:49So I should be able to reserve my iPhone, go to the mall, which is five minutes away
0:27:53from me, and they're gonna have a separate line for people who reserve the iPhone online.
0:28:00And last year it took me about an hour to, I was like in and out, and they have a separate
0:28:05line, it was really fast, you go in, you show your ID, you pay for the phone, and you, you
0:28:09you go away basically.
0:28:12That's my plan.
0:28:13A good old-fashioned customer going to the Apple store to buy an iPhone.
0:28:18Yeah, that's what I did this time and it was a good experience.
0:28:21The reservation in store was good and I was kind of in and out in 15 minutes.
0:28:26I was really happy with that.
0:28:28It takes a while in Italy because people always argue in line, you know.
0:28:33Hey, what are they arguing about?
0:28:36That's the perfect Italian stereotype of people trying to catch you in line, people like arguing.
0:28:43I remember last year there was a separate line.
0:28:46So I went in at like 3 p.m. and there were still people there from the morning in the
0:28:54separate line.
0:28:55And there was some person having a nervous breakdown because they were waiting too much
0:29:00and they didn't understand the concept of you came here this morning without a reservation,
0:29:06these other people made a reservation online.
0:29:08This man didn't quite understand that this type of organization, he was just freaking
0:29:13out and they had to call security on this guy.
0:29:17Italians, that's what they do.
0:29:21They yell and they are agitated and they make people waste time.
0:29:26Yeah.
0:29:27So…
0:29:28Don't get in a fight at the App Store.
0:29:31Be careful.
0:29:32No, no, no.
0:29:33I'm a chill type of person.
0:29:36- Yeah, iPhones and chill.
0:29:38I have to say that my favorite thing so far about the iPhone
0:29:44is not the iPhone itself, I think,
0:29:46but the hashtag MykeWasRight has been on fire
0:29:50the past few days.
0:29:51It has been a lot of fun to see people
0:29:55tweeting their six pluses with the hashtag
0:29:58and their new purchases.
0:30:00What's been even greater is we did t-shirts for Cortex and for a lot of people they arrived on the same day that their iPhones did.
0:30:06So, you know, it's all mic all the time in some people's postboxes at the moment.
0:30:11So that's been a lot of fun for me.
0:30:14I mean it's been quite a year in the land of mic.
0:30:18You know what, it has. The year of mic has provided many fruits.
0:30:21Much much better than the year of Luigi.
0:30:24We've got like another six months on Myke right now, right?
0:30:27Because it's the 18 month rule by the year of Luigi,
0:30:30obviously we were about a year.
0:30:32I think it's a little bit longer, right?
0:30:33Because I bought mine, said how great it was,
0:30:35and then a couple of months later,
0:30:36you guys both agreed with me.
0:30:38And that was when the hashtag began.
0:30:40- You gotta come up with more opinionated thoughts
0:30:44that people are gonna argue against initially,
0:30:46but eventually they're gonna agree with you.
0:30:48So you have six months to continue using this hashtag
0:30:52before we seed the righteous part to someone else on the relay team.
0:31:01Okay, so by the end of this episode I will have tried to come up with something.
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0:34:04Let's talk a little bit more about 3d touch. Okay. So Steven, how do you feel about it? Like what do you think about it?
0:34:11So far I really like it. I mean I think there's kind of three things that 3d touch actually is there's the actual
0:34:18I'm pressing down and the phone you know provides haptic feedback
0:34:22There's the the home screen shortcut deal where I can 3d touch on a icon and get quick action so
0:34:30For instance the camera Apple's building camera has like take selfie take video
0:34:35I think there's a couple others and
0:34:37Then there's peak and pop with an app so I can be looking at a grid of images and Instagram for instance and
0:34:433d touch a
0:34:46Thumbnail and it sort of pop up you know bigger
0:34:49So if I'm going through someone's profile when I look at the picture
0:34:52I can do that really easily without having to change screens. I think all three of them together
0:34:58Really make a nice cohesive thing. I mean yes, it's early day
0:35:02So a lot of apps that I use don't have it yet
0:35:04Although I will say the home screen shortcuts seem to be coming out pretty rapidly. I think that's relatively easy to implement
0:35:09But it's it's it's nice. It does make
0:35:13You know it sort of adds this layer to the iPhone that makes it faster to get around and like the
0:35:21Go back button that appears
0:35:23You don't have to use it and if you so if you never notice
0:35:27It's there if you turn it off the iPhone still works the way the iPhone always has but it's sort of this like higher plane
0:35:32of use that does make it faster and and I've already come to I found myself
0:35:38doing without thinking about it even just after you know a couple of days and
0:35:41I I do like that it does you know to speed things up in areas there's less
0:35:48tapping and waiting for screens and you know to slide in and out all that junk
0:35:52where you can just really look at it and then deal with it if you want to or or
0:35:56come back to it later I like the cohesiveness that it that it provides
0:36:00the OS. It feels less like a series of siloed apps but sort of like
0:36:06"hey I'm in messages I can just like pop into Safari for a second and then pop out of it."
0:36:09I like that sort of breaking down of those walls.
0:36:13What apps are you using that you like the implementation in?
0:36:20Well I use a lot of the built-in apps. I use the built-in mail client for instance and I really like it there.
0:36:27I like it a lot in messages.
0:36:28If someone sends me a link,
0:36:29I can just kind of preview the link
0:36:31and then decide if it's something that I need to deal with.
0:36:33Or, "Oh, I sent you this funny GIF.
0:36:36"I can just view it and then come out of it."
0:36:38I do like it in things on the home screen,
0:36:43third-party apps.
0:36:44Evernote has one that created a new note,
0:36:47which I've used a couple of times already.
0:36:49And I think that's really where my usage will grow
0:36:52as more developers use it.
0:36:54But in the built-in stuff right now,
0:36:56it's really quite nice. Yeah I'm a little bit more interested to see how
0:37:03developers take this new interaction method and create different things. Like
0:37:09Peek and Pop is fine but it's extremely limited, right? It's just previews. And
0:37:14Dropbox have a really great implementation of it, right? As you would
0:37:17hope that they would, right? It makes perfect sense. I like Workflow, so like
0:37:21inside the workflow app you can easily like preview the workflow inside of it
0:37:28like so you can kind of see what the steps are before you produce it which I
0:37:31quite like but I'm interested to see like what are the things that people
0:37:36come up with like what happens there that's what I'm interested in seeing
0:37:40like you know not peak and pop but stuff using 3d touch that developers can take
0:37:45a fine job and I'm not really I mean me and Federico spoken about this like I'm
0:37:49I'm not really interested in games that have it because it's fine but I don't really know
0:37:55a lot of game makers especially are not really going to be able to do a lot of interesting
0:37:59stuff with it for a long time because it will make games too difficult to work right if
0:38:04you're putting in 3D touch and then some devices can't use it but I feel like app developers
0:38:09like for productivity apps and stuff like that would be able to take more advantage
0:38:13of it as they may have a wider usage base on the new devices.
0:38:18So I'm interested to see what can OmniFocus do with it that's interesting?
0:38:22What can Tapbots do with it and Tweetbot that's interesting?
0:38:26That's what I'm more excited about.
0:38:28But the more time I've had to think about 3D Touch, having used it a little bit, I really
0:38:34am bought into the hype that this is a big, big step forward for iOS because it is something
0:38:40that didn't exist before which can provide a new interaction method.
0:38:44And that hasn't come around in any meaningful way in quite some time.
0:38:49Yeah, I feel like right now most developers are just trying to support all these shortcuts
0:38:55on home screen and pick and pop in their apps.
0:38:59And that's like the same way they added support for widgets or a watch app when they launched.
0:39:07Or iOS 7 design, right?
0:39:08Like you just do it as Apple said to do it and then think about it again later.
0:39:14And instead I'm thinking if this is really like the new touch, we're gonna see different
0:39:25input mechanisms in apps, like entirely different interactions.
0:39:29The problem with that is that it's gonna take a few years because it's only exclusive to
0:39:34the 6S.
0:39:35So right now it makes sense for developers to only support the basic system stuff.
0:39:41maybe two to three years from now when a developer can come up with an app that's entirely based
0:39:47on 3D touch that wouldn't exist otherwise.
0:39:50Imagine the first iPhone apps or the first iPad apps that were mostly adaptations of
0:39:57what came before and then they started to leverage the exclusive features of the iPhone
0:40:02like the gyroscope or the multi-touch gestures on the iPad.
0:40:07With 3D touch it has the potential to have the same effect on apps.
0:40:11Right now it's the basic stuff.
0:40:13It's the shortcuts and the pick and pop.
0:40:15But in a few years, down the road, there can be apps and games that only make sense as
0:40:213D touch software.
0:40:23And that's exciting I think.
0:40:25And I'm also considering like when Siri first launched, we said "oh this is going to be
0:40:31the fourth interface of iOS.
0:40:33This is going to be the new layer of interaction between users and apps.
0:40:37And that hasn't quite been the case yet.
0:40:42Mostly because developers don't have access to Siri.
0:40:44With 3D Touch we're saying the same thing all over again.
0:40:47It's the new input layer, it's the new interface, but this time Apple is giving developers the
0:40:52tools right away.
0:40:54And that's why I'm more excited about 3D Touch than I was about Siri when it came out.
0:40:58There are two different things.
0:41:00But when it comes to developer support, this is different.
0:41:05I want to see, maybe with the iPhone 7s or the iPhone 8, we're going to have apps that
0:41:11are exclusive to 3D Touch.
0:41:14That's going to be interesting, I think.
0:41:17Exclusive in what way?
0:41:20They can only be used on a 3D Touch display.
0:41:23How will they...
0:41:24Can developers do that?
0:41:28In the future, when maybe they can make an app that only runs on the iPhone 6s and above,
0:41:34they can create apps and games that only make sense as 3D Touch software.
0:41:40That's what I'm imagining.
0:41:42So there's something that I've been thinking about with 3D Touch, which is the home screen
0:41:46interactions, right?
0:41:47So the shortcuts.
0:41:48Which, I mean, I think, again, will be more useful over time.
0:41:51I think a lot of the apps that I currently am using on the web, it's like, this is useful,
0:41:56I don't know if I need this, right? Like I don't know if this is something that I
0:42:00really really need. But like for example it's really useful in messages because I
0:42:04can... I don't really know how Apple is picking what three people show up in
0:42:07messages. It doesn't really seem to be by any metric that makes sense but more
0:42:12often than not it tends to be the person that I want is in there. And you've got
0:42:16stuff like, you know, Launch Center Pro has some actions but I like their
0:42:20notification widget more. But you know there could be some really good stuff
0:42:24come here in the future right? The camera stuff is really good for example but you
0:42:28know not all of my apps on my home screen support this right now. Maybe not
0:42:31all of them should but we'll see. But this idea of an addition to the
0:42:36home screen that wasn't there before it signals to me anyway that I believe
0:42:42that 3D touch is a sign that Apple have no intention of redesigning the home
0:42:45screen for a while because they're enhancing the home screen in a
0:42:50new way that hasn't been done before which means personally I don't expect
0:42:53that iOS 10 will have any meaningful redesign to the way the home screen works.
0:42:58There's your opinion Federico. No I agree with you Myke and because in a
0:43:05way I mean if it's still early days but you know people who look at the iOS home
0:43:12screen and are unhappy with it you know that one of the the first complaints that
0:43:16comes is is widgets which I don't disagree with but really you could
0:43:22create I mean theoretically widget like functionality behind 3d touch you know
0:43:28you already have apps that show a badge for the temperature or for the date and
0:43:34that's already workarounds and I just wonder if 3d touch on the home screen
0:43:38it's flexible enough for that sort of information to kind of be quickly hidden
0:43:42away I mean there's other problems with springboard we could get into but I
0:43:47think that if the idea is I want more information then if you can display that
0:43:51behind a 3D touch menu that doesn't solve the problem perfectly but it gets
0:43:56us further down the road than where we are today. Yeah like I can imagine
0:43:59something UI wise that is reminiscent of a watch app or an extension that could
0:44:05appear or even a widget that could appear when you 3D touch right? I could
0:44:10imagine something like that but I can't imagine you know widgets on the home
0:44:15screen or whatever. Yeah. Because of this. What do you think Federico? I saw a
0:44:21I saw a teaser of CopyFeed, it's a clipboard manager for the iPhone and iPad, and they
0:44:29showed a 3D touch shortcut on the home screen and the first option was a way to quickly
0:44:37re-copy the last item from the app and show the preview of the text.
0:44:43So I guess it's possible for developers to kind of hack around the 3D touch shortcut
0:44:48menu to show data instead of just jumping points.
0:44:53And that's exciting because it kind of opens up a whole layer of, instead of looking at
0:44:58a widget or opening an app, even if it's faster, I can just peek at the contents from the home
0:45:04screen.
0:45:05It's kind of like Android in this sense, only that you get a tap and press on an icon to
0:45:10view that kind of information.
0:45:12And I'm curious whether this is an accepted policy within Apple.
0:45:17they're allowed to do that, but I definitely saw a screenshot of a working implementation.
0:45:23That's the type of stuff I don't have to go to the notification center anymore. I can
0:45:28just press "View the last item that I copied" and recopy it again. I never have to open
0:45:35the app, I never have to open the widget or do any kind of navigation. I can just peek
0:45:41and take action instead of just jumping around.
0:45:46Even if it's a faster process, I can just remain on the home screen.
0:45:50And that's exciting, I think.
0:45:52Yeah, I would like that.
0:45:54It makes sense because it seems like, again, someone can correct us on this later, but
0:46:01it feels like there is an element of the apps being able to display something that's dynamic
0:46:06because workflow and stuff like that, right?
0:46:11pulling in data from inside the app and showing it to you. And so in that regard
0:46:17you think it would maybe make sense? I don't know. They're
0:46:21showing stuff from inside the app so maybe in theory that could be a little
0:46:25bit more fluid of what can be in there. I've seen the image, the tweet that you
0:46:31were talking about Federico and I'll put it in the show notes, but it says like
0:46:34"Recopied last item and shows a preview". That's really cool. That is really
0:46:37really cool. I hope that that comes through because again there you go this
0:46:41is exactly the type of stuff that we were just talking about right like
0:46:44developers using this technology to create interesting things. Like we always
0:46:47say this right and it's becoming a bit of a meme I think but people mean it
0:46:54seriously but it's being used in that way where like you know Apple creates
0:46:57something and we all go there are gonna be apps that are gonna be made from this
0:47:01that we never even knew were possible or were never possible before. Like that is
0:47:06thing that is said a lot far too often I think these days but hey that could be the case here as well.
0:47:10There was something I forgot to mention about the 6 Plus S Plus that I didn't mention before but I
0:47:19will now because I just got a phone call is how quiet the vibrate motor is the Taptic engine.
0:47:24Like if I would have gotten that phone call before literally everybody would have known about it
0:47:30but the Taptic Motor is very very quiet. So much so that I am now very happy that I don't have to
0:47:36keep my phone on Do Not Disturb anymore when it's unlocked because I was even doing that because
0:47:42I would be getting messages when I'm using my phone and it was so loud that it would disturb
0:47:47people but now I don't need to do that anymore. So the Taptic engine was much needed in the 6S+
0:47:53and I'm really really happy that they implemented it. Yeah it feels much more refined than the old
0:47:59the old motor and they brought it down so if you if you pull the screen
0:48:05off the phone the Taptic Engine is towards the bottom of the device now and
0:48:10that is a couple things it makes the 3d touch feel a little more connected to
0:48:14the screen I think and it helps with that balance of the thing vibrating it
0:48:18before it wouldn't vibrate you could really tell it was rocking on the camera
0:48:23lens I think that's why one reason it was so loud especially on a desk and
0:48:26and this thing just seems so much more precise
0:48:29and just fine again, that's a nice improvement.
0:48:34And it's one of the things that like,
0:48:36I don't know how many people would actually ever notice that
0:48:39but for those who do, it's a detail worth appreciating.
0:48:43- I think it also makes sense to bring it lower down
0:48:45the device because that's where your hand goes.
0:48:47So if they're gonna be using this haptic engine
0:48:49to provide feedback like for 3D touch,
0:48:52it makes sense to put it where your hand
0:48:54is most likely to be gripped.
0:48:56Mm-hmm, exactly.
0:48:57I think that's very smart, very smart.
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0:51:17So watch OS 2 I mean, you know, we probably don't need to go through stuff like how the update process was
0:51:24It was really slow
0:51:25The fact that I had to delete everything from my watch a couple of days ago to set up with my new phone is ridiculous
0:51:33But let's talk about the the watch OS 2 itself. And so Steven what what things in OS 2 you actually excited about?
0:51:40What are you enjoying? It's one of those things kind of 3d touch. I think that the
0:51:44The possibilities are not here quite today. I mean, I've I've tried a couple of third-party complications
0:51:50I haven't really been super impressed with any of them
0:51:52I've tried a couple apps that have been updated like the OmniFocus app. I mean they are faster they still
0:51:58Though if they rely on a phone for or syncing or something that is still slow and so the apps
0:52:05Themselves are faster, but sometimes the data lag is still there. Oh
0:52:09It's not I don't think watch OS 2 is like the magic bullet. I was hoping for for the iPhone in some ways
0:52:14I think it's a regression but I
0:52:16Don't know it just hasn't made a huge impact day to day for me yet
0:52:20It's been nicer for me apps are faster. They're still not as you know as quick as the iPhone
0:52:29They're still talking to the iPhone in a lot of ways and there's an improved
0:52:33connectivity
0:52:35framework
0:52:36between watchOS apps, the watchkit extension and the iOS app on the phone, but they're faster for me
0:52:43And I'm looking at examples like Peacock which has a native watchOS 2 app now
0:52:48I was able to finally use Peacock as a risk calculator when we go grocery shopping, me and my girlfriend
0:52:56We like to keep a total, a running, you know a tab of the total that we're gonna spend
0:53:02because of the points that we can accumulate with our card at the supermarket where we go to and
0:53:09Using peak alcohol shopping. It's it's been great with watchOS too because the app is faster
0:53:14It gives me haptic feedback whenever I tap buttons
0:53:18So I know that that I'm doing you know stuff correctly on the screen and I don't have to walk around the supermarket
0:53:24With a phone in my hand anymore, which gives me the freedom to you know, grab stuff from the shelf and you know
0:53:29because the app is on my watch. And also WaterMinder
0:53:34it's a native watchOS 2 app that reminds me to drink more water during
0:53:38the day, it's also faster and I can launch it from a complication on the
0:53:42watch face.
0:53:43Apps in general, they're faster for me
0:53:46and David Smith's excellent Sleep++, it's
0:53:50the faster app that I have on my watch.
0:53:54I've been using this new app whenever I go to sleep each night
0:53:58I followed David's instructions to set it up with airplane mode
0:54:03so I can keep my watch when I sleep and
0:54:07in general I feel like they're not, the watchOS 2 is not the
0:54:11real native OS that we're kinda looking forward to
0:54:15but that's obviously coming down the road in the future of the watch
0:54:19and I'm spending too much time
0:54:22that's a good problem to have I guess I'm spending too much time
0:54:27customizing my watch face and my complications and I feel like the early
0:54:32days of getting a new iPhone where I'm moving icons around I still don't know
0:54:36what I really need I'm playing around with a lot of apps and it's fun you know
0:54:41if you like to spend time setting up your gadgets the way that you like them
0:54:46to it's been a fun process for me I still feel like the watch can be too
0:54:52complex in a lot of ways and I feel like the fact that a lot of Apple apps don't have a
0:55:00watch version yet is completely absurd.
0:55:03My girlfriend, she's a normal human being, she's not a tech person and I don't mean that
0:55:10in any disrespectful way.
0:55:13In fact, she's the normal one and I'm the obsessed one.
0:55:18But she complains all the time that there's no native reminders app on the watch.
0:55:23And she's right.
0:55:24It doesn't make any sense that you can't have a list on the iPhone and have the same list
0:55:28on the watch as well because that would be super convenient when…
0:55:31Other apps are doing it.
0:55:33Other apps are doing it.
0:55:34Exactly.
0:55:35Other apps.
0:55:36There's going to be reminders clients.
0:55:38But still she has a point.
0:55:40There should be a native reminders app on the watch.
0:55:43And maybe…
0:55:44But if other people can do it, Apple should be doing it.
0:55:48And I don't understand why they made other apps that I could argue are not as useful
0:55:55as maybe reminders could be.
0:55:58So it's kind of weird to, you know, kind of weird mix of Apple apps on the watch.
0:56:03So watchOS 2, my opinion is, it's a nice step forward, but I'm waiting for watchOS 3.
0:56:13know it still feels limited in a lot of ways it's better but kind of halfway
0:56:19there maybe. Yeah I like some of that stuff too like I'm not actually
0:56:26using a ton of apps on my watch anyway and I'm using even less that a watchOS 2
0:56:31enabled but pcalc is one of them. The omni focus one is way better as well
0:56:36and it's nice to be able to go through the OmniFocus watch app if I need to and
0:56:44everything loads quickly so that's really great so I mean I'm enjoying that
0:56:47but for me some of the stuff that I like I like that there are more color options
0:56:52for customizing the watch faces they have some that match the new bands and
0:56:56they also have new names attached to them now too which is really good because
0:57:00when I have I have six Apple watch sport bands at the moment and I like to change
0:57:06the colors to match the sport band. I'm happy that one click on the crown if
0:57:12you're not zoomed out that is takes you back to the watch face you don't need to
0:57:16click twice now on the crown and also the Wi-Fi mode I don't know if you guys
0:57:20have had any experience using this yet.
0:57:24No, not really.
0:57:26Did you know what this does because I'd forgotten about it?
0:57:28We talked about it on virtual I think Myke.
0:57:31So this is the idea that if your phone isn't near you or your phone isn't connected to something,
0:57:37your watch can connect to any wi-fi network that your phone knows. So I've tested it out and it's
0:57:42useful and this was something that Idina was really interested in and she sent me a text
0:57:46message today from her watch while she was in the cafeteria which is on the opposite side of
0:57:52the street to her building where her phone was charging and she was very happy about that.
0:57:56She liked that she could use her watch to do things when her phone wasn't around.
0:58:01Like, it's just basic stuff, but she was able to see messages from me, she could send messages to me,
0:58:06we could still exchange digital touch stuff, which we still do, and I like now that you can change
0:58:10the colors of the drawings, so that adds a layer of artistry to my digital touch drawings that I
0:58:16didn't have before. So the wi-fi mode is something that I think is really really cool, so I like that
0:58:21that it's there for sure. I told my girlfriend about the new multicolor option on the watch
0:58:28face and she really likes it but she thinks there should be a way to, basically she wants
0:58:36to be able to customise each complication, even like the time and the date to a different
0:58:42colour because she likes the idea of the multicolour option but she wants to be able to customise
0:58:49each option individually and it makes sense but I told her that's the kind of deeper
0:58:55customization that Apple doesn't like to do in the first versions of an OS but that's
0:59:00got to be coming in the future I think.
0:59:04Should we talk about colors on the watch faces?
0:59:07I think we should.
0:59:09Let me give you my opinion first because it's really something that has been driving me
0:59:14crazy.
0:59:15What's the problem with having colors on a watch face?
0:59:18It's fun, it's, you know, each color represents a different icon and it gives you like a better
0:59:24eligibility, and I don't understand people who are freaking out about colors on their
0:59:29watch faces.
0:59:31My problem, okay, so let me tell you why I think it's, it's, it's, okay, this is, this
0:59:35is gonna sound way too extreme.
0:59:37I think it is fundamentally and philosophically wrong.
0:59:39Wow, my god, Myke, it's a watch, not a, not the constitution.
0:59:44Ah, do you know what it's, it's not a watch though Federico.
0:59:48It is the most personal device I have ever owned.
0:59:52If something is the most personal device that I have ever owned, don't reach in and change
0:59:56it.
0:59:57So I very much liked and was very happy with the utility face.
1:00:04And then I turn it on after the watchos 2 and my activity ring was colored.
1:00:08And I was like, okay, I can see the utility in that.
1:00:10I tried it for a couple of days and was like, no, I don't like this.
1:00:13I want to change it back.
1:00:14You can't.
1:00:15but you can change it on some other watch faces,
1:00:17but not the utility one.
1:00:18So it's like, why have you changed something?
1:00:20Like this, I had the watch set up how I wanted to,
1:00:24and now I can't have it like that, so you have changed it.
1:00:27So I now use a different watch face,
1:00:29I now use the simple face, which I don't like as much,
1:00:33because I don't want one of the icons
1:00:36to be colored like that on my,
1:00:38'cause all of the other complications I was using
1:00:40didn't have color on them.
1:00:42And it just doesn't make sense to me,
1:00:43on modular you can choose to turn the multicolor option on but on utility you can't.
1:00:52And it doesn't make sense to me why you would make that option and also why you would change
1:00:57it and then make it the default.
1:00:59That's what I don't like and that's why I say that I think it is wrong from a fundamental
1:01:03perspective because it goes against Apple's marketing message for the watch.
1:01:08What's your problem with colors?
1:01:10It's only because it's mismatched.
1:01:12So the colours are there and I didn't have colour in any of my other complications.
1:01:18And I don't want it to be coloured like that.
1:01:21I prefer it monochrome when I look at it.
1:01:23I think it looks nicer to have it monochrome because when the colours are there it draws
1:01:27my attention away which isn't exactly what I want at all times.
1:01:30I maybe want to look at a specific part of the watch.
1:01:32So I just don't want it that way.
1:01:34So considering how customisable this device is, why make a binary change to an option
1:01:39and not allow me to customise it?
1:01:41And I can customize it on other watch faces.
1:01:44That is my problem.
1:01:45Yeah, I understand.
1:01:46I know that I'm being a bit crazy about it, but I really do.
1:01:50No, no, it sounds boring because colors are fun, you know?
1:01:54They are, but it's not what I want though.
1:01:57Like I like, because I like the color of the second hand.
1:02:01That is the color that I want because I match that color to the watch band that I have.
1:02:07That's what I like to do with my watch.
1:02:08And I like that to be the only color because I think that that adds the personality that I want
1:02:12And and to your point Myke the the fact that you can't change it back
1:02:17I mean, it's fine to add options, but don't don't take options away
1:02:20My my problem with it. I mean is the matching but also that out of the corner of my eye
1:02:25It looks if you're just glancing down
1:02:28It looks like there's a notification coming in because it's at the top, you know
1:02:33or at least where I keep mine on the utility faces at the top.
1:02:36And it's a bit of color that I'm not used to.
1:02:39And previously, you just had the second hand,
1:02:41and then you had the red notification alert little dot
1:02:46guy.
1:02:47And now that is competing with it
1:02:50in a way that is distracting to me, at least.
1:02:52And so I was already back and forth
1:02:54between simple and utility, but I've rooted myself
1:02:56in the simple amp now, really because I
1:02:59can't keep those activity rings from being colored.
1:03:02Again, it's fine. I think it looks nice, it's just not for me.
1:03:05And so, why change it and take away my ability to have it the way that it used to be?
1:03:12I agree that it looks nice, but also it's not what I want.
1:03:15There should be more color in your life, guys.
1:03:19I have six watch bands of different colors. That's enough color for me.
1:03:24There's never enough color for you, Myke.
1:03:27I want to give you guys a life hack, alright?
1:03:30Oh, okay.
1:03:31Are you ready for a life hack? Because I don't want to talk about color on the things anymore.
1:03:35So I'm going to give you a life hack instead.
1:03:37With time travel, I've set up a modular watch face as a time zone checker thing.
1:03:47What do you call that? A time zone app?
1:03:50Time shifting app. Yeah, I get what you're trying to do, Myke.
1:03:54So I've set up three complications, New York, Memphis and San Francisco.
1:03:58And I've... so now I can use time travel to check the time in different time zones
1:04:05and compare them to mine. I mean in theory you could use like five of them on here
1:04:09or something but I only really need three. So there you go, that's my life
1:04:13hack for you. That is genius Myke, I'm doing this right now. And you can have
1:04:17your calendar in the middle, right? So then also not only when you're checking
1:04:21to see about the time you can also see if you're aware of an appointment at
1:04:24that time when you're trying to book a meeting in.
1:04:27That's a very nice Myke life hack.
1:04:31One small teachy tip if you use the workflow complication, time travel lets you switch
1:04:38across multiple workflows.
1:04:40So you spin the digital crown and with time travel you cycle through workflows that you
1:04:46have enabled as a complication.
1:04:48That is a genius piece of software development by the way.
1:04:52Because on the face of it, it seems like this is weird.
1:04:54You're showing me a random one and then it's like, "Oh, now I get it."
1:04:59It's very clever.
1:05:00I could make the case for having to...
1:05:05I want to have multiple complications from workflow at the same time.
1:05:08I don't know if it's a limitation from watchOS 2 or if it's just a decision of the developers,
1:05:14but still it's a nice workaround right now.
1:05:16You can just spin the digital crown and you move between the different workflows in the
1:05:20same complication.
1:05:21nice. It makes for a nice demo. It does indeed. Yeah, I think it's very, very clever. Very
1:05:27clever. I like the carrot weather complication as well, when we're talking about complications.
1:05:32It's the best weather one that I've found, because even on the little small complication,
1:05:38it has the temperature and the little icon of the weather. So it showed me a little cloud
1:05:45or something. Very cool. Oh, by the way, let me have some quick follow-up, because I saw
1:05:50Some people on Twitter and the Koala are kind of poking fun at me because I'm famously
1:05:57against the idea of checking weather apps when you can just look out of the window.
1:06:03First of all, I always try to understand why other people are into something that I don't
1:06:10understand, so that's why I try new stuff all the time, because I try not to be too
1:06:14stuck on my own ideas.
1:06:16I like to experiment.
1:06:18I'm always curious.
1:06:19And the second one is, I need to test watchOS 2 complications.
1:06:24So of course I'm trying out what people believe and what I believe are one of the best complications
1:06:29around yet, which is the Carrot Weather app.
1:06:32I don't need to look at the weather all the time, I'm looking outside of my window right
1:06:38now and it's quite nice here today by the way.
1:06:42I just wanna try new stuff because I don't wanna be one of those old people saying "yeah
1:06:46doesn't work for me so I'm never gonna check it out that's not how you know how
1:06:51I'm built I'm built for experimentation and that's what I like to do.
1:06:55And that's why we love you.
1:06:57Oh thank you.
1:06:58Yeah have you guys used the nightstand mode very much?
1:07:02No.
1:07:02Not really because now that I use David's app I don't need nightstand mode.
1:07:07Although you are smart. I don't use it because I don't have a stand and I want to wait until the
1:07:15stands that come out that have got like the made for Apple watch program
1:07:18whatever you know that a 9 to 5 report on this a while ago that Apple are
1:07:22allowing people to create stands with integrated charges into them now so I'm
1:07:27waiting for those and then I'm gonna get a stand and maybe we'll use the night
1:07:31stand mode. Yeah I haven't I haven't used David's app yet I I need to get around
1:07:36to that. I have been using nightstand mode though it's it's nice the the alarm sound
1:07:42is quite nice and it's nice that the the watch's screen will go off until you
1:07:49like bump it so you can kind of like bump my nightstand the screen comes on
1:07:52and it's it's like a dark green so it's not real hard on your eyes if you if you
1:07:57turn over the middle of the night and want to check the time it's it's a nice
1:07:59addition and I think it's something that I think most people are gonna still
1:08:02charge their watches at night I'm not gonna move the 24/7 thing but it's it's a
1:08:08nice little touch that you know the things already there charging on my
1:08:11I'd stand why not make it useful when it does that? I probably should point out
1:08:15that I know you don't need a stand to do this but my little
1:08:21charging puck is I stuck it to my desk so it doesn't like flail around all the
1:08:26time so that's why it's just stuck to my desk like my not my desk my bedside
1:08:30table so that's why I can't just lay it on the side because it won't work.
1:08:37I mean, if the watchOS 2 is a good jump, I think it just signals that there's still more
1:08:45to come and a lot of the stuff that they've added is fine.
1:08:49So it's great.
1:08:50I mean, what do you guys use your watch for?
1:08:52Federico, what do you actually use your watch for on a daily basis?
1:08:55That's a great question, Myke.
1:08:59I'm still trying to understand the watch, you know.
1:09:02I would say I love my watch for notifications.
1:09:08That sounds so stupid, but just being able to pick out an email and archive it right
1:09:13away, it's a major addition to my daily habits.
1:09:17I love my watch for looking at phone calls and hanging up on people.
1:09:24I'm sorry, but I don't like getting phone calls and I love the ability to understand
1:09:28quickly who's calling me.
1:09:31I also love my watch for cooking pasta because I need to set a timer and it's so simple to
1:09:38set up a timer complication and I like, you know, real Italians don't overcook their pasta.
1:09:47And so whatever's on the box...
1:09:49Al dente, right?
1:09:50Yes.
1:09:51Yeah.
1:09:52And me and my girlfriend like actually a minute before al dente, we do usually what's on the...
1:09:58What do you call that?
1:10:00to al dente, which is like al dente very much. Me and my girlfriend...
1:10:07I'm gonna start cooking my pasta al dente very much. That is my new way of doing it.
1:10:13Whatever's on the box for cooking time, we said two minutes ahead. So with the watch,
1:10:20with the phone I used to calculate the time in my mind and on occasion like I forgot and
1:10:26it was a mess and we used to fight over pasta. You don't want to do that. With the watch
1:10:31I can just set up a timer, look at the time, it's super easy for cooking and I love it
1:10:37as a cooking accessory. Fitness stuff, that was one of the features that I was most excited
1:10:46about the watch. But with WatchOS 2, WatchOS 1 third party apps, which were what I wanted
1:10:53to use were basically useless because they didn't have native performance or native access
1:10:58to sensors.
1:11:00Now that there's watchOS 2, I'm downloading a bunch of apps and I'm getting into a new
1:11:06exercise routine for the new year.
1:11:09So I'm kind of rethinking the entire fitness part and that I'm still not sure about.
1:11:16I have big hopes for watchOS 2 and fitness but I'm still trying to understand what's
1:11:22the best app for me because the Apple workout app doesn't really work for me because I don't
1:11:28do runs or walks, I do stretching because of the physical therapy that I have to do
1:11:33for my leg, so I need very specific apps and I'm still browsing around the App Store.
1:11:40In fact, if you guys have any fitness app for watchOS 2, any recommendations, please
1:11:45send them to me because I need to be aware of them.
1:11:49It's not easy to browse on the app store for the Apple Watch.
1:11:53It's not always updated and it's hard to find app updates.
1:11:58So yeah, right now it's notifications, phone calls, hanging up on people, I love that,
1:12:06and cooking pasta.
1:12:08That's what I do.
1:12:10Perfect.
1:12:11Oh, also, I should say controlling music and podcast playback.
1:12:16I love the remote glance, also that one.
1:12:21- Yeah, I'm similar in a lot of those ways,
1:12:23the music and podcast playback,
1:12:25notifications is a big thing for me.
1:12:27I like just the small actions on notifications
1:12:30that you can take, right, is very, very good,
1:12:33and I like that a lot.
1:12:35There are some apps, it's like I always mentioned you
1:12:38as just a fantastic watchOS app, like it's just superb.
1:12:43I don't even think that they've had an OS/2 update,
1:12:45and it still feels as responsive as any app that I use on my watch.
1:12:49I don't actually know how they do it, but it's just brilliant.
1:12:53And I mean, you know, some of the activity tracking stuff is good.
1:12:56Like it's nice that I have it and I think about it and act upon it.
1:13:00And you know, I still like that stuff.
1:13:02I'm maybe one of the only people in the world that likes digital clutch because, you know,
1:13:07me and Adina, we use it in a meaningful way.
1:13:10Yes.
1:13:11Me and Sylvia too.
1:13:12Actually, whenever I drive Sylvia to class every day, she says, because of Rome's crazy
1:13:20traffic and there's a dangerous intersection before we get home, she wants to know every
1:13:25time when I get home safely.
1:13:27And we used to send each other a text message when I got home.
1:13:31Now I just tap on the watch.
1:13:34She gets a tap, she responds, and we know that everything's fine, I'm home.
1:13:38So yes, we're also using that in a very practical way.
1:13:41It's also fun, but it's also practical.
1:13:43And it's faster because whenever I'm parking, I don't have to reach out to my phone and
1:13:47write a text message and it's boring.
1:13:50I can just hold up the watch, tap the side button, then tap on the friend icon to send
1:13:57a bunch of taps, which is nice, also useful.
1:14:00Yeah.
1:14:01Steven, I assume that was you.
1:14:03Just sent me a little digital touch.
1:14:05I did.
1:14:06I was like, "I haven't sent one in weeks.
1:14:08I just sent one to Myke."
1:14:09I don't have that phone number.
1:14:12Oh yeah, I'm on a T-Mobile SIM today, which is an interesting...
1:14:16A story for another time.
1:14:20My watch usage really aligns closely with you guys.
1:14:22I really like the notifications.
1:14:24I will say working at home I'm much more prone to use Siri just throughout the day than when
1:14:29I had an office.
1:14:30And so I will respond to text messages or whatnot just on my...
1:14:33Even if it's sitting at my computer, sometimes just on the watch via dictation.
1:14:37Lot for things like timers and alarms and and for the the workout stuff - it has not
1:14:43Really made any impact in other types of usage
1:14:47So I don't like review my OmniFocus list for the day on my watch. I'm gonna do it on my computer or my phone
1:14:52those sort of things like I
1:14:56Know it can do them, but maybe it was watch OS one and I'm just have been turned off for the idea
1:15:01But it's just going to be slower and more clunky on the watch
1:15:04And so why why do that when I wouldn't already have a phone or a Mac at hand?
1:15:08So we'll see if that changes over time, but at this point, you know
1:15:13It's a it's a finished tracker with notifications and and that's really about it. Yeah, but see the thing is I'm okay with that
1:15:20like
1:15:23The Apple watch is a device that I use very simply but it has become an important device that I own
1:15:29And that I put on every day and I like it.
1:15:33And one of the key things for me is,
1:15:35Adina puts hers on every day too.
1:15:38And that for me is more of an interesting data point
1:15:42than for me.
1:15:43Like if we are planning on staying at home,
1:15:46she puts her watch on in the morning, same as I do.
1:15:49And that is, you know, that is for me,
1:15:52as key a thing as anything else.
1:15:55'Cause she, somebody who doesn't care about this stuff
1:15:58just for the sake of caring about it,
1:16:00continues to use and make use of her watch every single day.
1:16:05Like one of the other big things, timers for cooking.
1:16:08I use my Apple Watch for that constantly.
1:16:11And that is not constantly, only when I'm cooking,
1:16:14of course, like I don't use timers for cooking
1:16:16when I'm not cooking.
1:16:17But it is something that I use and I really like
1:16:20and I like that it's just simple to set up.
1:16:23And I've even started, I was doing this today
1:16:25and something I'm gonna think about doing
1:16:26using timers for working. So like saying I'm gonna do this for an hour and then
1:16:33just sitting down and just powering through it through something for an hour
1:16:36at a time and having the timer complication on the watch face which I
1:16:41set today I might keep that on there and try and use that as a system for myself.
1:16:46I might talk about that later if I do but I mean I know people are down on the
1:16:51watch or whatever I think in some circles but for me it has become an
1:16:55important part of my computing life I think.
1:16:58Yeah, I cannot just say the very simple act of wearing the watch, it makes me look cool.
1:17:06It's nice to look at.
1:17:08It's a nice accessory.
1:17:09And I have bought four different bands.
1:17:14I have the middle-lengths loop, I have the leather loop, I have a black sport band and
1:17:19I just bought a red sport band.
1:17:22And I think I can change the watch depending on my outfit and it's nice.
1:17:28It's a nice thing to wear.
1:17:30That's the basic aspect of wearing a watch for me.
1:17:33Yeah, I agree.
1:17:35And it's nice and customizable.
1:17:36Yeah.
1:17:37Right, I think that about wraps up this week.
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