54: Tim is the New Cook


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00:00:05   From Relay FM this is Connected episode number

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00:00:21   files. My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined by the wonderful Mr Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25   Hello sir, how are you?

00:00:26   Hello, I am well Myke, how are you?

00:00:28   I am very well indeed. I am very happy today because the wanderer has returned, Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:35   Hey guys, I'm back.

00:00:37   Welcome back. How was your break?

00:00:38   Thank you. It was a very long break. It was amazing. I mean, we visited a lot of places

00:00:44   and we drove around Italy. It turns out that Italy is quite big and it can take you a while to go

00:00:51   from the very, you know, southern part of Italy back to Rome, especially when you're driving.

00:00:57   but we're happy and I feel relaxed and I feel also out of the loop on everything that happened

00:01:05   on Twitter and the internet in general. Like I don't know what's going on. That's a weird feeling

00:01:12   when you're always like following the news and you know reading all the tweets. So I'm basically

00:01:21   counting on Steven to teach me everything that's going on with the follow-up and to

00:01:28   kind of, you know, be my guide. Can you be my guide to life, Steven, in general?

00:01:34   I'll be your life coach, is really what it sounds like.

00:01:36   Thank you.

00:01:37   Well, Apple's out of business and...

00:01:40   This show's about Google now.

00:01:41   Yeah, you've been a refer to the mail.

00:01:44   No. Okay.

00:01:45   Something to do with the stock markets, I think.

00:01:49   Yeah, that's a bad thing.

00:01:50   I can talk about Google. I can talk about Google. I can live with that.

00:01:54   So Apple is really out of business.

00:01:57   It's over.

00:01:58   What is what is Tim Cook doing now?

00:02:00   He works at Google.

00:02:02   Oh. Oh, okay. Well, that's quite a change.

00:02:06   But he works at like the hot dog stand. Like it's not a real job. It's pretty. It's not great.

00:02:10   All of this in 11 days.

00:02:13   It's been really busy, man.

00:02:14   So the T is for Tim Cook in alphabet.

00:02:18   That's what you're trying to say?

00:02:21   A hundred percent.

00:02:22   A hundred percent.

00:02:23   Yeah, they got him mixed up when he handed in his resume and it said "cook" and then

00:02:27   they put him on the pot box stand.

00:02:29   Yeah.

00:02:30   It's rough.

00:02:31   Thank you very much everyone.

00:02:32   I'll see myself out.

00:02:33   Wow, wow.

00:02:34   Yes, Myke.

00:02:35   Steven, save us for follow-up.

00:02:36   I will save us by correcting our past mistakes and sins.

00:02:40   Mistakes.

00:02:41   That's all we ever do, really.

00:02:46   So last week we had David Sparks on and we were talking about the iTunes festival which

00:02:53   we had said has been in London but actually up until this year also took place at South

00:03:01   by Southwest, the giant nerd event, mammoth mass of humanity that descends on Austin,

00:03:13   Texas every year.

00:03:15   sound really excited about this event. Yeah, the last place I want to be in the world is

00:03:19   South by Southwest. I will never go. But I think that they maybe did it like once or

00:03:26   twice there. There's no way it's been going on for as long as it has been in London. They

00:03:30   did it in, yeah, only once in 2014 I think. Yes, and it is not happening this year. We

00:03:39   have a link in the show notes to a website whose name I cannot pronounce because it's

00:03:43   just letters but um mix down man yeah where's your where's your web 2.0

00:03:50   language gone I know yeah they dropped all the vowels but it's not going on

00:03:55   this year still just in London I stand by what we said last week though I think

00:03:58   it'd be really cool to see Apple expand this but no no Apple Music Festival for

00:04:03   South by Southwest victims this year sounds like the kind of place where

00:04:08   Robert Scoble would go to? Am I right? It's gonna start up a kind of environment.

00:04:16   Yeah my understanding is it used to be a lot cooler than it is before it got too

00:04:21   big and now it's not so... basically not a lot of people really go

00:04:26   anymore. Well lots of people go but not a lot of people that I know go

00:04:30   anymore anyway. It seems like it got way too big and it seems like Austin can

00:04:34   barely cope with South by Southwest. I want to provide a bit of follow-up

00:04:41   because last week I heard the real disappointment in David's voice when I

00:04:45   told him that I wasn't listening to Beats 1 very much anymore and I was

00:04:50   talking about the replays and I've actually this week I've gone in and

00:04:53   listened to some of the Beats 1 replays I listened to a couple of Alton Johns and

00:04:58   I think he Golding as well and I think the experience is great like I can go in

00:05:04   and I can listen to all of the songs and I can listen to the banter or the

00:05:09   descriptions between songs which I think is really important with these

00:05:13   shows. I feel like this is how it always should have been, like they should have

00:05:17   had this from day one and also kind of like officially supported it needs to be

00:05:21   better surfaced in a navigation. Like you currently have to dig through a massive

00:05:26   Kinect pages to try and find it and there should be like a whole UI based

00:05:32   around the fact that these replays exist. I don't think they need to be podcasts, I

00:05:35   think it shouldn't be that because you'll end up with all kinds of problems

00:05:39   if you're Apple trying to get the music for that stuff but just have it as a, you

00:05:44   know, maybe when you go on to the radio tab there should just be like a replays

00:05:47   button and you press replays and you get a list of replays rather than like

00:05:50   trawling through Kinect to find them in a weird list which doesn't really seem to

00:05:54   make much sense but it's cool.

00:05:57   I haven't been listening to music actually like at all

00:06:01   Well, in the past two weeks, always been busy, you know, wake up early, go to the beach,

00:06:06   then have lunch, go to the beach again, prepare for dinner, go out for dinner, you know, go

00:06:11   out after dinner, come back, go to sleep.

00:06:14   Very tough.

00:06:15   I'm pleased that you were able to get through it for all of us.

00:06:18   Yes.

00:06:19   And so I haven't been listening to podcasts, I'm sorry guys, or music, I'm sorry Myke.

00:06:26   I mean, I think it is a nice option to have, you know, the replay.

00:06:34   It needs a better integration with the app itself.

00:06:39   Because right now, as you said, you've got to go to Connect and you've got to find basically

00:06:43   what you're looking for.

00:06:44   Instead, it should always be there alongside a full schedule.

00:06:47   I still think there should be a full schedule or full calendar of what's going on on Beats

00:06:51   One.

00:06:53   I think I wanna catch up on Beats 1 episodes, shows, as much as I wanna listen to the podcast

00:07:01   episodes that I've missed.

00:07:03   I don't know if there's a comparison to be made about listening to Beats 1 shows as podcasts,

00:07:09   you know?

00:07:10   Because much of the shared experience, I guess, is in the live listening.

00:07:16   But based on what I see on Twitter, a lot of people are listening to Beats 1 shows with

00:07:24   this new system instead of listening live every day.

00:07:28   There's still quite a few people in my Twitter timeline that listen to Beats 1 every day

00:07:34   live at the same time.

00:07:36   But much of the original, like the excitement around the launch of Beats 1 has kind of faded

00:07:45   away with time and so right now I'm seeing people listening to the replays like you Myke

00:07:51   and I don't know if I'll have the time to always listen to Beats 1 shows and podcasts

00:07:57   and music. You know it's a lot of audio content I guess that's what I'm trying to say. It

00:08:02   is convenient but it's also a lot of stuff.

00:08:05   Right so last week I spoke about, well we all spoke a little bit about kind of the things

00:08:11   that we use input wise we talk about track pads and stuff like that and I was

00:08:15   mentioning my mouse trackpad keyboard scenario that I have going on here and I

00:08:21   was complaining about the fact that I have two receivers I have a Microsoft

00:08:26   receiver and a Logitech receiver well that's what I didn't mention actually

00:08:31   what I mentioned last week is I had these two receivers and it was really

00:08:35   annoying that I had to have two but one of my pieces of equipment

00:08:40   My keyboard is a Microsoft keyboard and then I have a Logitech mouse so I had to have the

00:08:44   two little dongles.

00:08:45   So a bunch of people sent in links to the Logitech Unifying Receiver and the Logitech

00:08:49   Unifying Software.

00:08:51   So if you have two Logitech devices you can join them together to use just one of those

00:08:57   receivers.

00:08:58   So I didn't make that clear but that is out there for people in case they need it.

00:09:02   So you have the ability to link those two things together so you don't have to have

00:09:06   a bunch of little dongles hanging out the back.

00:09:09   Since last week's show I have bought something. I bought a new mouse and

00:09:15   Basically the way this came to me is I've been watching a lot of

00:09:20   MKB HD videos Marcus Marcus Brownlee's videos

00:09:25   And he had a video about the Logitech MX master mouse

00:09:31   and I went and bought myself one of those and

00:09:35   I'm in love so deeply with this mouse

00:09:38   How are you using this mouse? What do you mean? Like... Because I missed last week.

00:09:47   Okay. Tell me, like, is this useful for like editing in Logic? That kind of stuff?

00:09:54   Like all the shortcuts that it gives you? Well, so the original one that I had, it

00:09:59   was just because I like to have a mouse and a trackpad, right? So I use the

00:10:05   mouse for the precision editing, sort of clicking and the dragging and stuff, but

00:10:08   then I used the trackpad for gestures like zooming and panning around the file

00:10:12   and I like to just use a mouse for it and plus I use a mouse to try and

00:10:17   prevent RSI issues because I started to get a bunch of pains in my hands when I

00:10:21   was just using trackpads all the time so the the Logitech mice are made to be

00:10:26   ergonomic I think at least that's the way they look on what they say so but I

00:10:31   went and picked up this Logitech MX Master and it is expensive it's it's in

00:10:36   the region of like 90 to 100 dollars but it has a bunch of things that I really

00:10:42   love and there's a bunch of things that it can do which I've set this thing up

00:10:45   to be like the perfect piece of equipment. So one thing this connects by

00:10:50   Bluetooth which is brilliant because my existing Logitech mouse I had to plug

00:10:55   the little receiver in. You do get the receiver as well if you want to use that

00:10:59   but whatever. It also charges via mini USB rather than needing batteries which

00:11:04   is another plus because I have a bunch of those cables everywhere and there's

00:11:09   always one plugged into something. You can set up three machines of it and it

00:11:13   has a little button on the bottom to do one two and three so you can program in

00:11:17   in its memory different computers so you can use different machines of it which

00:11:21   is also good for me when I take my MacBook Pro out like and I go and edit

00:11:26   something from my co-working space. But the crazy thing about this is there is a

00:11:31   piece of software that Logitech make called Logitech options that lets you

00:11:36   customize what every single button on this thing does so I have now like the

00:11:44   perfect mouse for basically every use so there is a button there was a few

00:11:50   buttons that they call the gesture buttons there's one in like where you

00:11:52   put your thumb and if I click down on that and swipe the mouse left and right

00:11:56   it changes spaces right which is something that I needed the trackpad for

00:12:00   to be able to switch spaces. So I just press a button and move the mouse left

00:12:03   and right on the desktop and it will change my spaces. I can also click that

00:12:08   button to get to Mission Control, which is also very useful. But then when I'm in

00:12:12   Logic, this has a couple of things on it on this mouse which are just brilliant

00:12:16   for me. So it has a thumb wheel that you can scroll left and right with, so I can

00:12:20   scroll left and right in the document. The button that you know when you are on

00:12:24   these types of mice you can have your the the wheel the scroll wheel either go

00:12:30   smooth or have that like resistance like the clicking resistance you know I'm

00:12:34   talking about yeah you can the program the button that you use to change that

00:12:39   you can actually program to do anything so I have that button so I have my my

00:12:45   wheels always with resistance so it's clicking and that button when I press

00:12:49   that button and move the mouse up and down, it zooms in and out so I can zoom in and out

00:12:55   on the Logic tracks.

00:12:57   And then it has two buttons on the side, which would usually be your back and forward buttons,

00:13:02   and I have those mapped to the space bar and command.

00:13:06   So when I press the space bar one it will pause and play.

00:13:10   And then I press command which gives me the modifier key so I can access tools, so I can

00:13:16   select that and then I can cut parts out of the audio.

00:13:19   And then the other crazy thing that I've done is the button that you on the scroll

00:13:24   wheel, you know, you get the button on the scroll wheel, right?

00:13:26   You can click in.

00:13:28   I've mapped that to delete so I can.

00:13:31   So this is something that I'm doing now.

00:13:33   And I press play on the mouse. Right.

00:13:36   I find a part that I want to start. I want to cut.

00:13:38   So I press the play button on the mouse.

00:13:40   I hold down the modifier key, select the area, click it,

00:13:44   then press the delete key and then press play again.

00:13:47   Like I can do this all with the mouse.

00:13:49   This thing is amazing.

00:13:52   I love it so much.

00:13:54   It's perfect.

00:13:55   It's I'm I'm still getting used to it,

00:13:58   but I could just use this and I would be totally fine.

00:14:02   Like it does everything I need.

00:14:05   You have a bespoke mouse work workflow.

00:14:08   Yes, I feel like you right now.

00:14:11   Like I felt when at the moment where I realized that I could map the buttons to play pause and command

00:14:17   I I felt like I'd committed some sort of Evil Genius crime. Like I just felt like cackling

00:14:23   It was it was a great moment for me. I'm very very happy with this mouse. It is expensive

00:14:29   but it is

00:14:31   Just fantastic. Like I absolutely love it. And I think people that do this type of stuff

00:14:37   This is this is a mouse you should check out Logitech have really made something very special and the fact that you can

00:14:42   Customize it so much is what I love about it

00:14:47   Like because I've used these types of mice before like from this same range and there's little bits that you can do so you can customize

00:14:52   Some of the buttons but the fact that this has more buttons than previous ones, right?

00:14:58   Then they've done that purposefully so you can do things like spaces and mission control and like you can change it

00:15:04   all. So like when I press that gesture button down to go through spaces, it moves in four

00:15:08   directions, right? So I can go left and right in spaces and I can go to expose and app expose.

00:15:14   But you can customize that completely to do any number of actions and you can just choose from

00:15:19   everything. It really is fantastic. I absolutely love it. And for people that do like serious work

00:15:26   that needs this type of stuff, right? Like I don't know if you need this for web browsing so much,

00:15:31   but like if you're doing things like audio editing or video editing

00:15:35   this mouse really is kind of perfect for that sort of stuff

00:15:39   and it's very comfortable. The battery seems to be really good on it

00:15:45   like I've been using it for a week and the battery's still going and

00:15:49   let's see how many... I'm moving it around it's not showing me how

00:15:54   good the battery life is because it's got the little indicator light but it

00:15:57   doesn't matter. But the battery is really good.

00:15:59   I'm very very happy with this. I think that this is a very very fantastic mouse

00:16:03   and it could have completely upended my my little setup here.

00:16:08   Nice. Very nice. There you go. So check it out.

00:16:11   I'm looking forward to my kickback from Logitech for this.

00:16:16   If it ever comes. So there you go. I have uh

00:16:19   that is Myke's mouse corner for the day and

00:16:23   I'm this is all I care about right now is input devices.

00:16:26   I have tablets and all kinds of stuff.

00:16:29   Yeah, but I love it.

00:16:31   And this is a great, great piece of kit.

00:16:33   - Do you feel like you would wanna use a mouse

00:16:36   with the iPad because it's so customizable and so powerful?

00:16:39   - Don't tease me.

00:16:40   I can set it up as the third one on my programming here.

00:16:44   - Wow.

00:16:45   - You know, I can set up the Mac Pro

00:16:47   and then my MacBook and then my iPad.

00:16:49   Oh, that would be,

00:16:50   wouldn't that be a great day for all of us?

00:16:52   - I guess.

00:16:54   (laughing)

00:16:55   don't want a mouse on the iPad Federico? I'm not sure why I would want to use a

00:17:00   cursor on the iPad. No I don't either, that's crazy talk. But you know the

00:17:05   physical shortcuts those are kind of awesome. You know all the configurations.

00:17:10   That's what makes this for me. Like it's no better a mouse than any other mouse

00:17:14   right? You can still move it around the same as any other mouse but it's it's

00:17:19   how customizable it is not just that it has all these buttons the fact that you

00:17:23   can customize them all makes it really really cool.

00:17:26   Nice.

00:17:27   Should we take a break?

00:17:29   Yeah.

00:17:30   Let's do it.

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00:20:01   their support of this show. So we wanted to talk this week about the rumored

00:20:10   iPad Pro which you know very well could be coming to an Apple Store near you.

00:20:14   Got a couple links in the show notes but to sort of recap what the rumors are

00:20:19   saying. Seems that 12.9 inch display is on hand 2732 by 2048 which would put the

00:20:27   same pixel density as the other Retina iPads which is something we know

00:20:32   Apple likes to do. They like for their devices to be consistent PPI.

00:20:37   It's easier for developers, easier for Apple. 2GB of RAM which would be nice on a device

00:20:43   that is supposed to be higher powered and of course with a bigger display you have

00:20:47   bigger RAM needs. Any iPhone 6 Plus owner can tell you that. And then of course the

00:20:53   stylus/force touch angle of, you know, will this thing have force touch? Will it have true

00:21:00   multi-depth... what is the word I'm looking for? Myke, you have one of these sitting on your desk.

00:21:08   Oh, like the pressure sensitivity?

00:21:10   Yes, exactly. You know, pressure sensitive, or is this gonna be force touch, or what will the stylus do?

00:21:15   So all these rumors flying around, and there seems to be a situation here where

00:21:21   there's a lot of smoke, maybe there's a fire, and I really want to see what you

00:21:26   guys saw in Federico, you in particular being the resident iOS and iPad expert.

00:21:31   What do you think a device like this could mean and is this something that

00:21:36   you'd be interested in owning and using every day?

00:21:40   That's two very difficult questions, Steven. I guess the first one, we need to

00:21:51   think about what the iPad is still trying to do, what kind of use cases, what kind of

00:22:00   people need to be addressed by a bigger iPad.

00:22:06   Right now we have an iPad mini and we have the iPad Air 2.

00:22:12   I would argue that the iPad mini is still quite, you know, for people who are looking

00:22:18   for something bigger than a smartphone and even bigger than an iPhone 6 Plus, the iPad

00:22:22   Mini may be enough, but with the 6 Plus we've seen a lot of people moving to the bigger

00:22:28   iPad and by people I mean the kind of people who want to use both an iPhone and an iPad.

00:22:35   Because the difference between the 6 Plus and the Mini is much smaller these days.

00:22:41   It makes sense to have a big smartphone and an even bigger iPad.

00:22:45   So from this perspective, would you want to switch from an iPad Air to an iPad Pro, which

00:22:52   is starting to approach MacBook territory when it comes to size?

00:22:56   And I guess what we need to consider is what kind of use cases would a bigger iPad improve

00:23:12   or make possible that are not possible on an iPad Air.

00:23:17   And I'm trying to think, and the more I think about this,

00:23:20   the more I go back to the idea of a stylus or a pen,

00:23:23   whatever, and force touch.

00:23:25   Because there's a lot of jobs, a lot of professionals,

00:23:29   who need to draw, they need to sketch,

00:23:33   they need to have that kind of manual input

00:23:37   on a touch display that it's not as convenient.

00:23:41   sometimes not possible at all because sketching on an iPad mini can be quite cumbersome.

00:23:48   But maybe a bigger iPad with an officially supported Apple stylus or Apple Pen with pressure

00:23:55   sensitivity and really precise input would make those kind of jobs better suited for

00:24:03   an iPad Pro rather than a smaller iPad.

00:24:07   And I'm looking at the kind of software that Apple is building for the iPad, if we can

00:24:13   find any hints of this kind of new touch input.

00:24:18   And I'm looking at iOS 9 and the Notes app, and there's a new technology in iOS 9 called

00:24:26   Advanced Touch Recognition, something like that, Advanced Touch Input.

00:24:30   And basically it's meant to reduce the latency between multi-touch, between your interaction

00:24:36   on the screen and what actually is displayed on the screen.

00:24:39   And you can try this by using the new sketch

00:24:42   feature of the Notes app.

00:24:44   If you pay attention to your swipes on the screen,

00:24:48   you can see that any line you draw

00:24:50   is drawn much faster than any other sketching or drawing

00:24:54   app on the App Store.

00:24:55   And that's because the new Notes app uses the new APIs

00:24:59   to render touches and, therefore, lines on the screen

00:25:02   quicker than before.

00:25:04   And so if we look at the software that Apple is building,

00:25:08   it would make sense to have a new stylus accessory

00:25:12   with a bigger iPad, so much more comfortable to use

00:25:15   if you need to draw, if you need to sketch,

00:25:17   if you need to compose documents by hand.

00:25:20   With this new advanced touch input

00:25:22   and with force touch for pressure sensitivity,

00:25:25   it would make for an ideal kind of iPad

00:25:28   for not just creative efforts for people who need to,

00:25:33   artists that need the iPad as a sort of a tablet, you know?

00:25:41   But also for any kind of drawing or sketching.

00:25:46   And I'm also trying to think about the iPad Pro for myself, right?

00:25:51   Would I need a bigger iPad?

00:25:53   That's a very tough question because I think I'm mostly fine with the iPad Air, and I think

00:26:00   I'm not in those type of users.

00:26:03   I'm not an artist, I wouldn't use the iPad Pro to draw or sketch.

00:26:08   Would I enjoy the occasional paper app with support for the Apple Pen and Force Touch?

00:26:16   Yeah, but that's not a primary use case for me.

00:26:19   So what I'm trying to consider is, with the multitasking features coming to iOS 9, and

00:26:26   especially Split View, which lets you use two apps at the same time.

00:26:32   A bigger iPad would make those two apps feel not like too many apps displayed at the same

00:26:40   time but maybe like two full, complete full size apps displayed at the same time on a

00:26:47   bigger iPad.

00:26:48   When you use Split View on the iPad Air 2, it is super convenient and I love it and it's

00:26:54   been such a terrific addition to the way that I work on the iPad every day.

00:26:58   it feels like you're using two small, I mean, it's not that it feels, it is what you do.

00:27:05   You use two small mini compact apps at the same time.

00:27:09   On a bigger iPad, those would basically, in landscape mode, if we look at the rumored

00:27:15   resolution for the device, they would basically be two apps in portrait mode, side by side,

00:27:25   on an iPad Air size.

00:27:28   And those two would make for a much more convenient workflow when using two apps at the same time.

00:27:37   You would see bigger text, you would have bigger interface elements, they would just

00:27:41   be more comfortable to use.

00:27:44   Split View on the Air 2, it is convenient and it's useful but it still feels like it

00:27:52   could be more, it could be bigger.

00:27:54   And in that sense, I guess that an iPad Pro makes sense.

00:27:57   Now as you noted also in our notes even, there's a rumor that the SplitView will come to the

00:28:05   new iPad Mini as well.

00:28:08   Now what I'm considering is just because it's possible doesn't mean that it's ideal for

00:28:16   that device.

00:28:19   In the same sense that maybe the camera, you can take a picture on an iPhone 5s but it

00:28:25   It looks better on an iPhone 6 and it looks even better maybe on an iPhone 6 Plus.

00:28:29   And you can have split view on an iPad mini 4 maybe, you can have split view on an iPad

00:28:34   Air but it is better on an iPad Pro.

00:28:37   That's maybe the angle that I'm trying to think about.

00:28:41   And the final question is would I use a bigger iPad?

00:28:45   Because I've talked a lot about the portability of an iPad.

00:28:49   That's the most important aspect for me.

00:28:51   I use the iPad everyday because I can use the iPad everyday because I move a lot, I

00:28:56   walk a lot around the house, I don't have a single desk where I'm trying to work.

00:29:01   I like to write or read from my desk in the bedroom or from the table in the kitchen,

00:29:09   from my sofa in the balcony, whatever, I like to move around.

00:29:13   And a 13 inch iPad would be quite a big device I guess.

00:29:17   So I'm not sure about the physical aspect.

00:29:20   Would it be comfortable to hold?

00:29:22   Would it be comfortable to use every day?

00:29:24   Does it weigh a lot?

00:29:26   I don't know.

00:29:27   I mean, nobody knows.

00:29:28   I can only imagine.

00:29:30   And I've been trying to put my hands around my screen up the MacBook Air.

00:29:36   Here we go again.

00:29:38   I'm trying to understand what such a display would be like.

00:29:43   And it's quite big.

00:29:45   So would it even fit in my Tom Veen bag?

00:29:50   I don't know.

00:29:52   I am intrigued.

00:29:53   So my final conclusion for now, just a rumor, so my partial conclusion is I am intrigued,

00:30:01   especially for the stylus aspect and especially even more for the multitasking.

00:30:08   But I have doubts and concerns about the size and the portability.

00:30:15   And I don't know, I mean, it's kind of weird to associate the Pro moniker with the iPad.

00:30:24   Because Pro is usually Mac stuff.

00:30:27   And iPad Pro, like I don't know what to think.

00:30:30   Is it Pro because it's bigger?

00:30:32   Is it Pro because there's a stylus?

00:30:33   Is it Pro because Apple will make new Pro apps for the bigger iPad?

00:30:38   they be exclusive to the bigger iPad if they really make new apps? At this stage

00:30:43   I just have too many questions and like the more I think about it the more I get

00:30:47   anxious about knowing the truth, you know? I remember though when we were talking

00:30:53   about the mini and the regular iPad a long time ago like you said a lot of

00:30:57   very very similar things like about portability and stuff like that about

00:31:02   the idea of switching from the iPad mini and why you love the iPad mini. Now I

00:31:06   know that you know 12 13 inches is two or three inches bigger than the air but

00:31:11   it's it's just interesting to me like I wonder how I wonder if because you know

00:31:16   you you ended up saying that you happy with the air because it was a good mix

00:31:20   between portability and power and I wonder if that will continue because the

00:31:24   macbook the current macbook that is incredibly portable and that is probably

00:31:29   a similar-ish size to how an iPad Pro would be.

00:31:34   But is it portable in a bag or is it comfortable to use in your hands all the time?

00:31:41   Can you hold it?

00:31:42   You don't hold the MacBook, you just rest it on your lap or desk.

00:31:46   Well, Stephen, why don't you tell us?

00:31:48   You've got one there.

00:31:50   I mean, I'm not carrying around the MacBook like an iPad.

00:31:55   And actually, this 12.9 inches is correct.

00:31:58   this would actually be a good bit bigger.

00:32:01   I mean the iPad screen is 12 inches exactly.

00:32:03   So it would be larger than the MacBook.

00:32:07   - The MacBook screen you mean?

00:32:08   - Yeah. - Yeah.

00:32:09   - The iPad Pro would be bigger than the MacBook.

00:32:12   So they are comparable.

00:32:15   And I agree with you that the portability is a concern.

00:32:19   I just, I wonder if this device is really aimed

00:32:23   really gains traction in sort of the artist designer creative type role that

00:32:31   it might you know it might be something that you leave at your desk and then

00:32:34   when you start when you go back to work the next morning it's there waiting for

00:32:37   you it may be something that is less portable just you know due to to the use

00:32:43   case but either way and I think this this is a little bit of recycling and

00:32:48   old conversation as well. This is really new for iOS. Federico I share your sense

00:32:56   of, I don't want to say dread, but your sense of curiosity about this because

00:33:01   this this would be the first time really that Apple has introduced an iOS device

00:33:09   that sort of with a different purpose than the others right? They came

00:33:16   out with the iPad mini and it was like

00:33:17   cool it's a smaller iPad and that's all

00:33:19   there really was to say about it and if

00:33:23   they do this and they really tell the

00:33:25   story of this is great for these types

00:33:28   of things that's new and it's definitely

00:33:32   new for iOS and I would even argue that

00:33:34   it's new for Apple on the whole you look

00:33:36   at the Mac line. You know Apple sells the

00:33:39   MacBook as the portable machine the

00:33:41   MacBook Air is the affordable one the Mac

00:33:43   Pro is powerful but all those

00:33:45   computers can more or less do the same thing and if the iPad Pro has unique

00:33:50   hardware that sets it apart and Apple's building separate apps for it or richer

00:33:56   apps for it and they ask developers to do the same thing that's new territory

00:34:00   all over the place so I think there's good reason to look at this to be like

00:34:04   this is really an interesting time and a lot of new a lot of new stuff is going

00:34:12   on here. This is a hard question to answer now like many of the questions

00:34:16   that we're asking. Who's this even for? Like artists is not a market that is

00:34:22   big enough to create an entire product for, right? This is for business as well?

00:34:27   Enterprise, yeah. Because I know like when I was still in my corporate job, I

00:34:32   mean and I worked in advertising, I started to see a lot of advertising

00:34:37   agencies use surfaces because they could take them from place to place right very

00:34:46   very easily you could set them up you could hook them up to a projector and it

00:34:51   had all of the apps that you wanted on it and you had a pen that you could draw

00:34:54   on screen right and take little notes and stuff like that I started to see

00:34:57   more and more surfaces and I wonder if there's part like you know part of this

00:35:02   is like IBM with their new partnership with Apple like this product would be

00:35:06   really great and I know we know we could sell millions of these to the enterprise. And I

00:35:11   wonder if that is a deciding factor in this product's decision as well. I guess it's all

00:35:16   about the way that, I mean we're only ever going to know what Apple tell us, right? About

00:35:19   why they made it. But I'm interested to see what that story is. Because it's difficult

00:35:25   to sit here and work out knowing what we know or guessing what we want to guess about who

00:35:34   is this for? Because at the moment it really does seem like artists is the main one that

00:35:39   people keep throwing out there. Like I see students potentially, right? People can wheel

00:35:45   out Phil Schiller to New York and they can do a textbook event again.

00:35:48   Oh gosh.

00:35:50   We have the iPad DX on our hands here. And they can maybe roll out the textbooks idea

00:35:55   and you can take notes on it and stuff. Like that interests me because I am a pen and paper

00:36:00   guy. The idea of being able to take notes in a reliable form would be great

00:36:06   because all of the current solutions is like the best way to do it is you have

00:36:10   to enlarge the screen to get to that part so you can then shrink your

00:36:14   notes down to a regular size later on because the sensitivity is not there

00:36:19   with the screen right and the stylus can't be precise enough. So I

00:36:24   like the idea of being able to do that and I think that would be really cool

00:36:27   but then I try and think to myself, how often do I really need that?

00:36:31   And it goes around and around from there.

00:36:33   Yeah, because what is strange, I guess, is when you think about an iPad Pro and you imagine,

00:36:42   well it must be for pro iOS users, that's not normally what you hear, you know, in our

00:36:49   circle of friends online.

00:36:52   In general, like on tech Twitter, you don't see a lot of pro iOS users.

00:36:58   So everybody's trying to kind of imagine what this is for.

00:37:03   Is it for the enterprise?

00:37:04   Is it for education?

00:37:05   Is it for creative people?

00:37:08   Because it's so strange to think about the general public who's interested in a pro iOS

00:37:14   kind of scenario.

00:37:16   And it would be, if it's not directed, and I mean, Apple has to have a specific angle

00:37:25   here.

00:37:27   If it's not directed or presented as a product for a specific audience.

00:37:34   So I don't see Apple going on stage and saying, "So we made an iPad for the enterprise."

00:37:40   Or "We made an iPad for schools."

00:37:42   They're going to say, "We made a bigger iPad, and it's an iPad Pro because it does this

00:37:46   and this, and because iOS will take it to the next level."

00:37:50   That's kind of what I'm trying to imagine as a presentation.

00:37:53   And it would set quite a precedent for looking at and considering iOS as a professional platform,

00:38:06   because that role is typically filled by OS X.

00:38:11   And maybe with this iPad we're starting, we better start thinking about iOS as a feasible

00:38:18   alternative for users who need to do pro stuff.

00:38:22   And so I'm thinking, would it be possible to do video editing on this?

00:38:26   Would it be possible to do audio editing?

00:38:29   What kind of improvements are they going to bring to make the pro workflows possible on

00:38:35   an iPad?

00:38:36   And it is strange to think about this because for many years we've been juggling with many

00:38:43   limitations on iOS.

00:38:44   And now that they've started to open up, you know, last year with extensions and this year

00:38:48   with multitasking on iOS 9, maybe the next step is to finally say, "Yeah, okay, we're

00:38:54   ready for the pros and we're going to bring the iPad to the pros."

00:38:58   And that's…

00:39:00   My problem with that argument is I spent 15 minutes at the start of this show talking

00:39:06   about a mouse that I've programmed eight buttons so I can use logic the way that I want.

00:39:11   I don't see me being able to do that sort of stuff.

00:39:13   No, but maybe with a keyboard, you know?

00:39:15   Not with a mouse, but maybe with a keyboard.

00:39:17   Maybe we need gestures, maybe we force touch.

00:39:19   The reason the mouse is so good is because it allows me to do everything.

00:39:24   Because I can do a lot of that stuff with the keyboard and the mouse.

00:39:27   But it's the idea of me putting it all in the one place, because it's the muscle memory,

00:39:31   right, of having the buttons right in the palm of my hand that I can just click and

00:39:36   it does all the stuff that I need and I think that they would struggle to move

00:39:40   the current set of people that use pro apps like Logic and Final Cut to this

00:39:47   type of experience because look at what happened when they turned

00:39:51   Logic Pro 7 to Logic Pro 10 and how it went crazy right but it was the same app

00:39:56   it's still on a Mac right they just changed a bunch of things that the app

00:39:59   did imagine trying how different if you look at iPhoto right and how iPhoto was

00:40:04   on iOS and how it was on the Mac. Imagine trying to turn an app like Logic or Final

00:40:10   Cut into an iPad app. You could make a version of it. So like maybe this type of stuff is

00:40:16   for the next generation of pros. But I think the current people that do this stuff, I think

00:40:22   it'd be really difficult to move them away onto an iPad.

00:40:27   I tend to agree with that Myke. I think there's a lot to be said for momentum when it comes

00:40:32   to professionals you know you run into people who have used the same you know

00:40:37   input devices for 10 years you know they're using the same display they had

00:40:41   since college because you know they know every every dead pixel on it they don't

00:40:46   ever do something new I think that's a real thing in this market but you know

00:40:51   we're talking about this and I agree that these markets that people keep

00:40:56   throwing out and that we have thrown out are you know not big enough to justify

00:41:00   this thing's existence but I can't like if Apple announces this they're not

00:41:05   gonna stand up I don't think and say this is for you know X this is for the

00:41:11   the graphic designer this is for the the the artists is for you know the student

00:41:17   I think they're gonna show those as examples of people using this sort of

00:41:21   thing and then you know that's just gonna kind of be it'll be part of a

00:41:24   keynote and then they'll move on. But you know I don't see iOS 9 as great as it is

00:41:32   and as much as they're doing with things like document providers which of course

00:41:36   they started in iOS 8 but finally sort of matters now and iCloud Drive and and

00:41:41   all this stuff like I'm just about the work that we do just dealing with the

00:41:45   files alone on iOS would be such a nightmare that you know Apple is not

00:41:50   gonna come out with this device and then with software features to handle all

00:41:54   that all at once. It's going to be, if this is the direction they're moving in, it's

00:41:58   going to be slow and it's going to be thought out and considered because iOS

00:42:02   is not just for this device. They can't, I don't think they could introduce

00:42:08   something like logic touch or whatever and it have things in iOS that are built

00:42:15   only for it like from the file system perspective or from the audio

00:42:19   processing perspective so I don't think this is a magic bullet to fix or to fix

00:42:24   the iPads problems or to give creatives you know something on equal footing with

00:42:29   the Mac so hey you can use the Mac or you can use this I think there might be

00:42:33   an opportunity to to augment what the Mac is doing but I don't see someone you

00:42:37   know hanging up their Mac Pro and picking this thing up and continuing

00:42:41   their work you know as is.

00:42:43   Right let me take a break and then we might have some do we have more on this

00:42:48   that we want to talk about?

00:42:50   No, I mean it's, you know, just a rumor, so I feel like we gotta wait for some actual

00:42:56   news.

00:42:57   All right, let's take a break then and we'll talk about Fracture.

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00:45:42   So Federico went away, and when Federico goes away, he basically turns his holiday into

00:45:47   like a nature program?

00:45:50   It's a research program for observing the social animals that are also called humans.

00:45:57   So we always love to hear these stories that Federico has of real people, and we have some

00:46:03   real people stories today?

00:46:06   Yes, we do.

00:46:08   I spent quite a bit of time observing the humans and the normal during this vacation.

00:46:15   And you know, especially going in two different locations, one populated mostly by Americans

00:46:22   on vacation in Italy and the other mostly by locals.

00:46:26   It was quite a mix of different communities.

00:46:30   So it was a very interesting, it's actually a project because I created a note in the

00:46:35   notes app and I took notes.

00:46:38   I took what's called connected notes for vacation and because I really wanted to talk about

00:46:44   this stuff.

00:46:45   I think that means you can write off your holiday as a business expense.

00:46:48   I'm just going to put that out there.

00:46:49   Talk to your accountant, America.

00:46:51   Well, I got to talk to you and Steven, I guess.

00:46:57   Anyway, the first thing that I immediately noticed is this was the summer of the selfie

00:47:05   Everybody, like literally every group of friends had one.

00:47:11   And there were selfie sticks everywhere.

00:47:13   There were people taking selfies with a selfie stick.

00:47:17   There were people into the sea, like into the water with a selfie stick and one of those

00:47:24   protective waterproof cases for an iPhone or a Samsung phone.

00:47:30   There were groups of like 10 people taking big group selfies with the selfie stick.

00:47:37   There were couples with the selfie stick taking a selfie at maybe waiting at the restaurant,

00:47:42   you know, at the table.

00:47:43   They would just take a selfie stick out of a bag or a purse and just take a selfie for

00:47:48   some reason.

00:47:49   At one point, I saw someone using the selfie stick as a walking stick in Positano.

00:47:58   I felt it was quite original as a use case for the Surface.

00:48:02   Just get a walking stick if you need one.

00:48:04   I mean, just get a walking stick and why would you use a Surface stick?

00:48:08   Anyway, so besides the obvious Surface stick/iPhone or Galaxy phone combination, I also saw quite

00:48:18   a few GoPro cameras mounted on the Surface stick.

00:48:23   That was really interesting because I saw quite a few people, and especially in Positano,

00:48:28   which is this beautiful town in the Amalfi Coast, where a lot of Americans go to.

00:48:33   It must be quite popular in the United States as a destination in Italy.

00:48:37   I mean, it is awesome.

00:48:40   A few people were using their iPhones and Samsungs just normally as phones, but they

00:48:48   They were using the selfie stick with the GoPro as a sort of detachable camera of sorts,

00:48:53   used not just for selfies, I mean primarily for selfies, but also for general purpose

00:48:59   pictures taken from a higher point of view maybe.

00:49:04   That was interesting, you know, to use a separate camera on a selfie stick and then use the

00:49:10   - because I saw them and I overheard them talking about this - there must be some kind

00:49:15   wireless transfer between the GoPro and the iPhone I think. I don't know I'm not sure.

00:49:23   Steven do you have a GoPro? I have access to one that my brother owns. They're great

00:49:29   little cameras and you know what's nice about it is they have this like rugged case you

00:49:34   can put them in so if you drop it or it gets rained on it's not going to be ruined. I don't

00:49:40   want to hold my iPhone 6 plus at the end of a 6 foot little stick I bought and watch it

00:49:44   tumble to the ground so maybe there's some device safety in there for some people.

00:49:49   So the selfie stick has taken over Europe and the GoPro is quite popular as an addition

00:49:57   to the selfie stick but primarily at least in Italy and at least in Positano which is

00:50:02   I think it's pretty representative of you know the tourist aspect of Italy.

00:50:09   There's selfie sticks everywhere like there's everyone has a selfie stick and when I went

00:50:14   Did anybody in your group have one, Federica?

00:50:16   Yes, because in Positano it was just me and Silvio, but when we went down there to Puglia,

00:50:23   which is a region in the southern part of Italy, our group of friends had a selfie stick.

00:50:29   And so I can testify that the selfie stick is popular among Americans and other Europeans

00:50:36   visiting Italy, but also local Italian people have selfie sticks.

00:50:39   All right.

00:50:40   It is super popular.

00:50:42   What is your opinion of them?

00:50:43   now you've used one as well as observing.

00:50:46   - Yes, I believe from my front of view.

00:50:51   I think you look silly when using a selfie stick

00:50:59   and this could be the novelty effect.

00:51:02   You look silly because you have a stick basically.

00:51:04   You're using a stick to take pictures

00:51:07   and it very much, it is noticeable.

00:51:10   Other people look at you.

00:51:11   - Yeah, 'cause you look crazy.

00:51:13   You look crazy, you look... what are you doing?

00:51:17   But I think the reason the selfie stick is so popular is people love to take group selfies.

00:51:26   But it's not that people necessarily want to use the front facing camera in that sense

00:51:32   of the selfie.

00:51:33   In the age of the smartphone, I believe people don't want to hand their phone to someone

00:51:40   else to take a group picture.

00:51:42   Yeah, I think that's where a lot of this does stem from as well. I've been thinking about that.

00:51:46   It used to be that you would have a camera or one of those disposable Kodak cameras, maybe.

00:51:52   Go on vacation, you ask a passerby to take a picture of you, and take a picture and you receive

00:51:59   the camera back. But with the smartphone, it's an expensive device. People don't, and there's so

00:52:04   much information on this device, right? You get notification, you get phone calls, you have maybe

00:52:09   Maybe a custom wallpaper.

00:52:10   You know, there's all sorts of custom stuff on your device.

00:52:13   And you don't want to give your smartphone to someone else, even just for a few seconds.

00:52:18   So I believe that's the reason why the selfie stick, especially among groups of people,

00:52:22   it's so popular.

00:52:23   And it makes sense.

00:52:24   You know, you look a bit stupid, maybe.

00:52:26   And I definitely look stupid when using the selfie stick.

00:52:31   But there's a reason why it's popular, and it's a very practical reason, I guess.

00:52:36   And I mean, it makes sense.

00:52:39   consider that perspective. I don't want to give my iPhone 6 Plus to someone else, even for just a few

00:52:44   seconds, because what if someone else runs away with my phone? Am I gonna catch him?

00:52:49   So my next, my follow-up question for this is do you or will you buy a selfie stick of your own?

00:52:58   Do you own one already? For as much as this may shock you, I already own a selfie stick.

00:53:02   Yeah, I figured. Did you buy it on this trip or had you bought it beforehand and you had to do it?

00:53:06   Right before the trip, but not because I wanted to buy a selfie stick. I wanted to buy a tripod

00:53:14   for the iPhone and I bought a set from Amazon. There was that thing to hold the iPhone up and

00:53:24   there was three lenses and also a selfie stick inside. And it was a good price and I was like,

00:53:30   "Maybe I'm not going to use the selfie stick all the time, but whatever, it's included,

00:53:33   so I'm gonna buy everything. And I bet you used the selfie stick more than the tripod.

00:53:37   No! What's even more ridiculous is that I forgot to bring my selfie stick.

00:53:42   So yeah, I observed other people and then when we went down to Puglia, a friend of ours had

00:53:52   her selfie stick, so we used that one. But yes, the selfie stick is very popular this year.

00:53:59   The second note, this is a quick one, I didn't see anyone using Apple Music on their iPhones.

00:54:11   This is especially for the second week of the trip, the second part.

00:54:16   I have quite a few friends with the iPhone, but they're mostly using Spotify for music.

00:54:23   They don't pay for Spotify, and even when I told them, you know, there's a free trial

00:54:28   of Apple Music. They say they're fine with Spotify, they don't want to try Apple Music

00:54:33   because they're afraid they're going to pay somehow eventually. I don't know if my friends

00:54:38   are overly protective of their wallets or if maybe they don't have many needs. They're

00:54:45   just fine with Spotify and the ads. And a common argument is that everyone I know uses

00:54:52   Spotify so I use Spotify as well. That's... I guess that's strange from my perspective

00:54:59   because I wanna try all of the new stuff from Apple. Of course I wanna try Apple Music because

00:55:05   I'm curious but my friends, they're not as curious as me when it comes to software. I

00:55:10   don't know whether I'm supposed to be sad about this, whether I'm supposed to change

00:55:14   friends. I mean I don't wanna change friends just because they're not interested in software

00:55:19   But it's a very much different perspective from us.

00:55:22   We love to try new stuff, especially from Apple all the time.

00:55:26   But these people, they're like, "Everyone I know uses these other things,

00:55:30   so even if Apple has a new thing out and there's a free trial and I don't have to pay, I don't care."

00:55:35   That was the basic argument.

00:55:38   It was quite strange, but Spotify is popular in Italy.

00:55:42   Do you know if they just hadn't seen it?

00:55:47   No, no, they are familiar with Apple Music. They know what it is. They know about the free trial.

00:55:54   They just don't care about starting one. I mean, this is the group of friends that I met on

00:56:00   vacation. I have a couple of friends here in Rome. They are using the free trial of Apple Music,

00:56:05   and I think they will start paying a subscription eventually. But these were other people I don't

00:56:11   normally engage with, you know? So it was interesting to ask them about Apple Music.

00:56:17   Sure. Before I talk about the other... this is super strange for me. Do you need to take a

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00:59:23   Okay so there's this, I'm not sure what to call it, it's a ride sharing service. It's called

00:59:35   blah blah car and it's apparently pretty popular in Italy. It lets you travel from one place to

00:59:43   another with other people in the same car and you pay a very small fee. So basically it works in two

00:59:52   ways. You can be a driver or you can be a passenger. If you're a driver, you're a private autonomous

00:59:59   driver, you're not part of any organization, so it's not like Uber or these other taxi

01:00:05   services. It's regular, normal people driving and going from one place to another.

01:00:10   You're a driver, you can have a few people in your car, and you make your car available

01:00:17   to others, and you basically establish a fee for the trip, and you let other people join

01:00:25   you in your trip so everyone saves a bit of money because if you're a passenger

01:00:29   you pay less than highway tolls and you know those kind of taxis. If you're a

01:00:34   driver you can and in your car is empty anyway you can have a few people pay for

01:00:40   the trip and you can use that money for maybe gas or highway tolls and everyone

01:00:45   is happy because you don't have to travel alone you don't have to take the

01:00:48   train you don't have to pay you know taxes for for the the organization here

01:00:54   called Autostrada Italiane, which means Italian highways, and it's so popular.

01:01:00   I had no idea this ride sharing. I am familiar with the idea of ride sharing,

01:01:06   and I thought it was common in the United States and maybe in other countries in Europe.

01:01:11   I just had no idea that this kind of service had taken off so much in Italy.

01:01:16   I was talking to a friend, and he needed to go back to Rome.

01:01:22   And I'm like, so are you driving?

01:01:24   Are you taking the train?

01:01:25   Are you going by plane?

01:01:27   And he's like, no, no, no, I'm going with someone

01:01:30   that I met on BlaBlaCar.

01:01:32   And I'm like, where is BlaBlaCar?

01:01:34   So he explains that you register a profile on BlaBlaCar.

01:01:39   You can be a driver, you can be a passenger,

01:01:42   and you start searching for the itinerary

01:01:46   that you need to have.

01:01:47   So you needed to go from Lecce,

01:01:48   which is the biggest town in the area where I was,

01:01:51   Search from Lecce to Rome and you find other people traveling there the same day

01:01:57   You see what type of what type of car they have

01:02:00   What kind of people they are because everyone has a profile and you have features on your profile such as

01:02:07   Is he a talkative person? Does he like to talk much or is he a silent person?

01:02:13   Or does he allow smokers in the car?

01:02:15   So people do people write this about you like if you are a person who signed up?

01:02:20   no, you describe yourself and you set the rules for your car and

01:02:24   Also people then leave reviews for you and the way that you drive the way that you behave

01:02:31   And and I looked at reviews and it's like for instance. I don't know Mario is such a nice driver

01:02:38   We had fun. We talked about work

01:02:40   Didn't didn't allow smokers in the car and he's driving is driving style

01:02:48   is super relaxed and you know that you actually leave a review for someone

01:02:53   driving and there's a star system I think and then you also receive feedback

01:02:59   as a passenger so if you if maybe the driver doesn't want people to talk much

01:03:05   and you mind your own business the driver leaves a positive review because

01:03:08   you sat in the in the back seat and you listen to music all you know during the

01:03:12   entire trip and my friend, he had like three to four trips using this service and another

01:03:21   friend, she was the one with the selfie stick also, so she's very much on top of tech trends.

01:03:27   She's on the trend.

01:03:28   Yes, she often uses, like this was the, for like seven or eight times I think, she goes

01:03:37   from Milan to Rome and vice versa all the time using BlaBlaCar. And it's so popular.

01:03:44   I mean they claim to have over 20 million registered users and I'm not sure about these

01:03:52   numbers, but everyone I talked to, especially among normal people, they were like "Come

01:03:57   on, you don't know BlaBlaCar."

01:03:58   I'd never heard of it, man. It's in the UK as well, I'd never heard of it.

01:04:03   heard of it and now two points to be made here. I have a car and I'm always driving

01:04:10   and I've never ever had a need for something like this. Also my friends are more adventurous

01:04:17   than me when it comes to hanging out with people they don't know. I mean I would never

01:04:22   have someone I don't know in my car for like a trip that lasts you know seven to eight

01:04:28   hours because I don't trust people I don't know personally.

01:04:34   I mean what if you have a crazy stalker in your car?

01:04:38   But apparently it's very much a trusted service.

01:04:43   My friends, they said never had anything wrong with it.

01:04:47   One time I even had a trip with a couple of five people in the same car and one of them

01:04:55   had a cat in a cage.

01:04:57   That was very much interesting. But yes, this was very strange to me and I had to take many

01:05:06   notes to understand how this works.

01:05:08   It sounds like Lyft.

01:05:10   L-Y-F-T, which is something that exists in America.

01:05:14   Lyft is very similar to... Lyft is basically Uber though.

01:05:17   Oh, I thought it was ride sharing.

01:05:20   There's more ride sharing than Uber, but it's basically you still order a car, I believe.

01:05:25   Looking at this website this seems pretty different.

01:05:27   Ah, okay.

01:05:28   So it's got that part of it as like lifted, that it's regular people rather than like

01:05:34   Uber drivers who are effectively taxis.

01:05:37   But these people are taking you somewhere rather than they're going there too.

01:05:42   The real question I have Federico is do they have a selfie stick policy?

01:05:46   Can you selfie stick in the back seat?

01:05:48   I don't know, but I know that they have of course a smoking policy and a music policy

01:05:54   and a pet policy. I'm not sure about the the self-esteem policy. My friends thought, they all

01:06:01   said that the nice consequence of using BlaBlaCar is that you get to meet new people. And both of my

01:06:10   friends said we exchanged phone numbers and I got to know people that work in, you know, in offices

01:06:19   and places that I may need eventually. So I'm keeping in touch with these people and I basically

01:06:24   met new friends. And that was an interesting social aspect to ride sharing and one that I

01:06:30   didn't really consider before. I mean, I'm still convinced that I would never have someone in my

01:06:36   car or I would never ever use blah blah car myself. But if you feel if you like risk,

01:06:44   basically, if you like to put your life in danger, and if you feel adventurous, I guess it's it's a

01:06:50   a nice way to save a bit of money.

01:06:52   Is it terrible that I hear that and I'm like, "I don't want to meet anyone else."

01:06:55   Yeah, I don't want to meet anyone else either. I'm reading their trust and safety page on

01:07:00   the UK site and they allow rating. So I guess if someone murders you, you don't give them

01:07:09   a five star rating.

01:07:10   One star for murder. So the thing about this though is like this actually, like I'm looking

01:07:16   at this stuff and I feel like it conflicts with everything about my

01:07:19   personality. That's the problem here like I understand that it's probably very

01:07:28   good but there isn't a fiber of my body that wants to do this but I'm not you

01:07:33   know that's me because I'm weird I think that people doing this is maybe more

01:07:37   normal than than others but anyway. Last thing in your list here Federico is

01:07:42   Apple watches. I just wanted to mention quickly I have seen three now Apple

01:07:48   watches out in the world in London so that's that. Which is great I suppose.

01:07:55   I'm still looking for my first Apple watch out in real life in the real world

01:08:02   and I was hoping that in Positano I would get to see an Apple watch you know

01:08:08   with all these Americans there's maybe a higher possibility of you know people

01:08:13   being more aware of the latest Apple product because it came up before but no

01:08:18   no no Apple watch for me and I was kinda I think for some people I looked a bit

01:08:24   creepy because I was constantly looking at the wrist and I was just curious to

01:08:31   see if they were wearing an Apple watch but no Apple watch I did also see people

01:08:37   looking at my wrist looking at the Apple Watch me and Sylvia but I didn't see no

01:08:43   more people with Apple Watches I see a lot of Casio watches you know the one

01:08:48   with the little display I think it's back in fashion yeah they're cool they're

01:08:53   retro you know yeah yeah yeah but no no Apple Watch yet so

01:08:59   Stephen have you seen any? A couple you know I think I probably have a better

01:09:06   likelihood because the only people I hang out with in her life anymore are

01:09:10   nerds but even couple people at metal job had them you know we had a developer

01:09:14   had one had a designer who had one we actually had a designer who won hers

01:09:19   through some sort of thing like it was some design contest or something and she

01:09:23   like she won an Apple watch was kind of crazy but like going to the supermarket

01:09:28   or something you know I might see one every now and again but I definitely

01:09:34   have the sensation that you had Federico where you notice people looking at yours

01:09:38   especially I get especially like if I'm paying for something or like I'm at a

01:09:42   counter like you know like where my hands are out and you know usually

01:09:46   somebody will kind of glance at it but uh it's definitely not every day or on

01:09:52   any regular basis it still seems really hit or miss even to me mm-hmm yeah I

01:09:58   I mean Sylvia said that she was hoping to see an Apple Watch out in the real world and

01:10:07   she asked me, "Is the Apple Watch selling well?"

01:10:11   Because I don't see any Apple Watches.

01:10:14   And that's a legitimate question, I guess, especially because we expect this sort of

01:10:20   crazy popularity from Apple after the iPhone and the iPad.

01:10:25   We expect to see a lot of Apple Watches, but instead we're not seeing a crazy adoption,

01:10:33   hundreds of millions of units sold in a couple of months.

01:10:37   That's not just because it's not possible, but because it's a new product and people

01:10:41   are still not sure what to make of it.

01:10:43   And every time someone has the confidence to ask me about the Apple Watch, they're like,

01:10:49   is it, what do you use it for?

01:10:51   Is it useless?

01:10:52   Is it just a nice thing to have?

01:10:55   And so there's quite a bit of explanation that Apple still has to make to help normal

01:11:01   people, most people, you know, non-tech bloggers or broadcasters, I feel that's proper label,

01:11:09   to help them understand the Apple Watch.

01:11:11   Because every time, especially people my age, they're like, "Is it nice?

01:11:15   Is it useless?"

01:11:17   Two questions always go together.

01:11:19   And useless not in the sense that you're wasting money, but in the sense that it's not as essential

01:11:24   as an iPhone.

01:11:25   I feel they're asking.

01:11:27   And you know, it's a first generation product and I guess it makes sense.

01:11:30   Yeah, yeah, I get it.

01:11:33   I don't know how prolific it's gonna get.

01:11:37   In all honesty, I can't think about that right now.

01:11:40   I can't see it being like a mass adoption thing, but I don't know, it's how the original

01:11:46   iPhone was.

01:11:47   It was rare.

01:11:48   and you never know how these things are gonna go over time. We'll see. I mean there's definitely

01:11:53   places I'm sure that the watch can go to become more of a pivotal device for people and more of

01:11:59   a required thing you know but I don't think it's there right now. Even for many of the people that

01:12:04   currently already own one. Just a nice to have. Right I think that about wraps up this week.

01:12:10   Federico do you have any more observations of the world? I don't think so. I mean selfie sticks,

01:12:17   Apple Music, Apple Watch and BlaBlaCar.

01:12:20   I think that's the main…

01:12:22   Thumbs up your trip, really.

01:12:24   Yes, yes.

01:12:26   What I remember really is the selfie stick everywhere.

01:12:30   I'm kind of haunted by the selfie stick, but yes, those are my highlights.

01:12:36   BlaBlaCar has left, I think, the longest lasting impact on me of all the topics.

01:12:40   Maybe you should try BlaBlaCar, especially because you don't have a driving license.

01:12:44   Nope.

01:12:45   I'll just take an Uber, that's perfectly fine for me.

01:12:48   Why would you give up on the thrill of putting your life in danger and hopping on a stranger's car?

01:12:56   I put my life in danger enough every time I get in a car. I don't need any additional fear.

01:13:03   Maybe you should come to London and we'll get one together, how about that?

01:13:08   You also... okay, okay, we're gonna do the blah blah car thing together.

01:13:13   - Yeah, we'll do it the blah blah cast, how about that?

01:13:16   - It's like two podcasters in a blah blah car getting coffee.

01:13:21   (laughing)

01:13:23   But if anything goes wrong,

01:13:31   I'm going to the Italian embassy in London.

01:13:34   - We'll live stream it so people can hear us.

01:13:37   - We'll do a periscope from the embassy and we'll see.

01:13:41   Awesome.

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