53: Go Down the Pole and Run to the Fire


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00:00:06   From Relay FM, this is Connected episode number 53. Today's show is brought to you by

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00:00:25   My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined, as always, by the wonderful Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:30   Hello, sir. Congratulations and happy anniversary to you, sir.

00:00:33   You too. I got you this episode of Connected.

00:00:38   Oh, that is so kind of you. Oh, well, I got a greater gift for you.

00:00:41   I brought Mr. David Sparks. Hello, sir. How are you?

00:00:44   Hey, gang. Hey, congratulations on one year. That's pretty exciting.

00:00:48   Thank you, sir. Federico is celebrating for us somewhere off in the coast of Italy.

00:00:55   so he's having a great time so we thought why not bring in the only man to

00:01:00   fill his shoes as the one of Mr. David's box and we have a lot of great stuff

00:01:03   today but you know it is our anniversary week so a very special show planned with

00:01:07   lots and lots of fun little goodies but of course every episode of connected

00:01:11   should begin with follow-up. We have a bunch of follow this week mostly around

00:01:16   Force Touch which we've been talking about for a while potentially coming to

00:01:21   the iPhone and the iPad.

00:01:23   So we have a collection of tweets

00:01:25   in the show notes this week.

00:01:26   The first one by Ben Huggle on Twitter.

00:01:29   Quite a hilarious little gif of why Force Touch

00:01:35   might be bad on the iPad.

00:01:36   And you should load this up and watch it,

00:01:38   but he pushes down on his iPad

00:01:40   and the smart cover that's folded up underneath it

00:01:42   basically just collapses.

00:01:44   (laughing)

00:01:45   Which is really great.

00:01:46   And I don't know about the two of you guys,

00:01:47   but I have a smart cover and I hate it.

00:01:49   Like it's just, it's miserable.

00:01:51   Uh, I, I love the smart cover for all of the things that it's good at.

00:01:56   But I hate it for everything else.

00:01:59   Does that make sense?

00:02:00   Like, so exactly what Ben is showing drives me crazy.

00:02:02   Or like if I have it folded up in that little triangle and I like put it on my

00:02:07   legs or something, like say you're sitting on the, like on the couch or on your

00:02:10   bed or something and knees up and you put the iPad down and then it just slides.

00:02:14   Like it just goes and then it's like pointless and then the smart cover

00:02:17   flicks back over again.

00:02:19   But for all of the things that it's good at, I really like it.

00:02:21   I mean, I just like that when you close it, and then the iPad locks.

00:02:25   That's like my favorite thing about it, which is so simple.

00:02:28   My smart cover is kind of just a way to protect the glass when

00:02:31   I'm carrying it around more than anything.

00:02:33   When I'm actually using the device, I yank it off just about every time.

00:02:38   But I also have a stump.

00:02:39   You guys have a stump?

00:02:42   A what?

00:02:42   Here it is.

00:02:44   You've got to get a stump.

00:02:45   It's just this piece of hardened rubber.

00:02:48   It's got a weight in it and a little wedge where you can drop it in.

00:02:51   It's like the-- it's just one of the greatest things if you ever want

00:02:54   to watch on your iPad or anything.

00:02:58   You-- it just holds it.

00:03:00   They gave it-- it was in the speaker bag in Macworld years ago.

00:03:03   And I've got like five of them now.

00:03:06   They're just spread out all over the house.

00:03:08   And any time you want to do something on your iPad, find the local stump.

00:03:12   No, this looks really, really interesting.

00:03:17   Because the problem with the smart cover, I mean, Myke, I'm with you, that it's great

00:03:21   as a cover, but you go and stand the thing up and it just wants to topple over.

00:03:25   And obviously this thing is not going to do that.

00:03:28   So we've added this to the show notes.

00:03:31   Myke, where can people find the show notes this week?

00:03:34   In a very special place.

00:03:35   They can go to relay.fm/connected/53.

00:03:40   I think I've shared this on another show, but I hate the way that numbers work, you

00:03:43   know?

00:03:44   Because this is our one year anniversary and it's number 53, but I hate the idea of starting at zero.

00:03:49   But that's all I have for you on that.

00:03:53   I wish it was 52.

00:03:55   Are you losing sleep over that, Myke? I just want to know how bad this is upsetting you.

00:03:58   Well, see the thing is it upsets me a little bit, but it's happened to me like five times this week.

00:04:03   So it's amplified a little bit more than usual, I think, than how I would normally be upset.

00:04:09   Well, this is the biggest problem you're having. You're doing okay, brother.

00:04:14   Steven, please continue with the follow-up.

00:04:17   - We have a tweet from Thomas Hall saying,

00:04:20   "The Force Touch can be painful with people

00:04:23   "dealing with RSI or arthritis issues."

00:04:25   - Yep.

00:04:26   - And Myke, you touched on this a little bit

00:04:27   about how you don't like smashing your finger

00:04:29   into your watch, 'cause it puts a lot of pressure

00:04:31   on the end of your finger, and how that can be

00:04:34   annoying or even painful over time.

00:04:36   - Yep.

00:04:37   See, this is where I get concerned about it becoming

00:04:41   way that parts of UI may be hidden behind. And I know that there can be the

00:04:47   the ability to add things in accessibility, but the way that I see that

00:04:52   that would probably happen is you end up with one of those little assistive touch

00:04:55   type buttons that lives on the screen at all times, you know? Have you ever played

00:04:58   with that? Like if you know somebody whose home button is broken or their

00:05:03   lock button is broken and then they have to enable the assistive touch which

00:05:06   gives you this little clear button that lives on your iPhone home screen at all

00:05:10   times that you have to move around. It works but it's like an

00:05:15   imperfect solution. So if things start getting hidden behind

00:05:20   force touch that can't be revealed in other ways I don't know how I feel about

00:05:24   that right now. Thomas has a good point. I have a touch of RSI

00:05:30   and it's by no means, some people have it and it's really terrible. Mine is

00:05:35   not that bad but I will notice it I switched from like the Apple extended 2

00:05:43   keyboard with like mechanical switches and I just went from that for a couple

00:05:46   years ago to the this the regular Apple Bluetooth one because the pressure it

00:05:50   takes to type and the height and everything was just like a bad

00:05:53   combination and so I've worked really hard on the things that I use I use the

00:05:57   same mouse at work and at home and because it it's one that I find

00:06:02   comfortable. I think that's what's really important to look out for and as someone

00:06:05   who, I mean, some days my iPhone is my main computer, I agree with you, Myke. I

00:06:10   don't want to be in a situation where a bunch of have to do is behind a

00:06:14   force touch and like we spoke about last week, it will be some time before

00:06:18   that's even possible but I think it's another factor that developers should

00:06:23   think about when looking at implementing this stuff. What mouse do you use? I use

00:06:29   the Logitech Performance MX or... Yeah, I think you recommended this one to me.

00:06:36   Yeah, so it's great, you know, it uses that weird little like RF dongle,

00:06:43   it's not, you know, it's like not really Bluetooth, it's some sort of weird thing.

00:06:46   Yeah, I have, it's so annoying, I have to have one of those for my mouse and one of

00:06:51   those for my keyboard. Yeah. So I end up with two USB ports taken up, like it

00:06:57   It doesn't feel like that should be a thing that has to happen to me in 2015, but it does.

00:07:03   Do either of you guys use the Magic Trackpad?

00:07:04   Yeah, I do, yeah.

00:07:07   Yeah, that's all used anymore.

00:07:08   I've just got so used to it.

00:07:10   I had a mouse out and I never was using it, so I don't know.

00:07:14   I have a kind of crazy way that I navigate my computer.

00:07:19   I tend to have my mouse in my right hand and use my left hand with the Magic Trackpad,

00:07:23   so I use it for gestures.

00:07:25   But when I'm editing, I edit with both hands.

00:07:28   So I like zoom and pan with the trackpad and do precision editing with the mouse.

00:07:33   But now I've also got a Wacom tablet, which is kind of a bit of a magical thing for audio

00:07:40   editing I've discovered after CGP Grey suggested it to me.

00:07:44   So I have now, with my Mac Pro, three different input methods for just moving the cursor.

00:07:52   But why stop at three?

00:07:53   I mean, really.

00:07:54   to three you should be like one of the track balls checkpoint the whole the

00:07:58   whole shebang and and was I forget that was that device that everybody got all

00:08:02   excited about and then nobody ever used the one that you can wave your hands

00:08:05   over your computer yeah I bought one I use it for like 30 minutes and then I'm

00:08:10   like okay this is fun I don't know what that was called all right by next year

00:08:15   Myke we I get you to six waving my arms around constantly to just move one of

00:08:21   those things you like a hat you know with like some kind of sensor on it so

00:08:24   you can just use your head, that'd be awesome.

00:08:27   - You're editing logic by turning your neck,

00:08:29   that won't get old at all.

00:08:31   Amir Harris wrote in to say that Force Touch

00:08:36   may be like keyboard shortcuts,

00:08:38   sort of a power user way to do something

00:08:41   but not the only way.

00:08:43   And I like this line of thinking,

00:08:46   you know like on OS X, you can do just about everything

00:08:50   with the cursor, using your mouse or trackpad

00:08:52   or a helmet cam if you're Myke.

00:08:56   But you know OS X exposes the keyboard shortcuts.

00:08:59   If you go up to a menu in OS X over to the right hand side

00:09:03   it shows you the keyboard shortcut if there's one available.

00:09:06   So I'm in Safari right now and it's like new window,

00:09:08   you know, command N, new private window, shift command N.

00:09:11   And I think that's an interesting way

00:09:14   to think about Force Touch.

00:09:16   Maybe it's things that are exposed in the UI somewhere

00:09:19   but if you wanna get to it quickly

00:09:21   or sort of in a different way,

00:09:24   maybe Force Touch could be used like that.

00:09:26   Again, this is something that it's up to developers, right?

00:09:29   I mean, this is going to be potentially different

00:09:33   from app to app, depending on how people implement it.

00:09:37   - Yeah, I think that any exclusive feature

00:09:40   through Force Touch is a mistake by the developer.

00:09:42   I mean, if I have to Force Touch to do anything

00:09:45   that I can't do any other way,

00:09:46   especially with the initial launch of this

00:09:49   on the iPhone and iPad,

00:09:50   I think it's going to be a big problem. I mean not only do not all users have the

00:09:55   the Force Touch available to them, but I just think a lot of people are going to

00:10:00   completely miss out on Force Touch and not even be aware of it. Almost like the

00:10:05   you know the right, like the alternate click on the mouse. There's a ton of

00:10:10   people out there that still don't even realize that exists. I mean to me

00:10:15   the real positive spin of Force Touch on iPad and iPhone is the

00:10:21   ability to shortcut things that would usually take more taps. Does that make

00:10:28   sense? Yeah, I mean just you know if you could just like long touch or force

00:10:32   touch and have it you know prepare an email to somebody that you want you know

00:10:36   a regular email or whatever you know something like that but just you

00:10:41   know cuts out some extra steps I think that's the biggest benefit because

00:10:44   anything beyond that people are gonna totally miss out on it. Whilst I would

00:10:49   love that as well that feels like a level of complexity that Apple wouldn't

00:10:53   do. You know like user selectable shortcuts in certain scenarios it feels

00:10:57   like a very Android thing you know. I would love that but I'm not holding out

00:11:02   hope. Like for example if I force touch on the mail icon what does it do? Like I

00:11:07   feel like what would end up happening is Apple would define it rather than

00:11:11   allowing me to select it. But we'll see. I hope that that would be a

00:11:16   good reason to have it, I agree. But that's not just Apple involved here.

00:11:20   I mean, you know, OmniFocus. Sure, sure. People at Smile have already shown

00:11:25   their willingness to allow you to kind of pick certain behaviors, so why

00:11:31   wouldn't they have something in there that allows you to go to a certain

00:11:34   perspective? Or, you know, just think of all the apps you use and what

00:11:38   that clever developers could do with them, like drafts.

00:11:40   I could imagine some really cool force touch stuff

00:11:43   coming out of drafts.

00:11:44   - I imagine that you'd force touch on drafts

00:11:46   and Greg would just read your mind.

00:11:49   Like, that's just how that works.

00:11:50   - Yeah, that's actually possible with Greg, I think.

00:11:55   - Yeah.

00:11:57   Before we end follow up, we have to make a quick stop

00:11:59   in the new segment I'm gonna call Apple Pay Sadness Corner.

00:12:04   - Okay.

00:12:07   So as, I think it's every Tuesday,

00:12:10   'cause it seems like this has happened

00:12:11   as we're recording for a couple weeks now,

00:12:13   Apple announces new Apple Pay banks

00:12:16   and still not on the list.

00:12:17   So that's all there is.

00:12:20   Maybe we need some sort of like a sound effect

00:12:22   or something to like, that I'm sad, but--

00:12:25   - The fact that there are now more than 400 existing partners

00:12:29   in the US and UK, considering in the UK,

00:12:31   that's probably like seven of those, right?

00:12:34   - Right. - I think at this point,

00:12:36   you just need to change bank.

00:12:38   - Right, yeah, I mean,

00:12:39   it seems like a silly reason to do it, but--

00:12:41   - No way. - Still sad.

00:12:42   - No way. - No, at this point,

00:12:43   no, at this point, it's playing chicken

00:12:45   with what the bank has said, so.

00:12:48   'Cause they said they're gonna support it,

00:12:49   and I stand by their word

00:12:51   for at least a couple more Tuesdays,

00:12:53   so we'll see what happens.

00:12:54   - It's like Barclays, right?

00:12:55   Isn't that the one you're waiting for?

00:12:57   - No, no, it's like a little local credit union.

00:13:00   - I'm waiting for Barclays, 'cause I,

00:13:03   we have HSBC and was in the process

00:13:05   of moving everything over to Barclays,

00:13:06   and now they didn't have it on launch day.

00:13:09   They're apparently working on it,

00:13:10   so I have halted my movement until that occurs,

00:13:13   and then I'll move everything over completely.

00:13:15   - Maybe Steven's credit union is just monitoring

00:13:18   Steven's account, and they have everything set up,

00:13:21   and they're like, "Well, Steven's still with us."

00:13:22   Yeah, he is.

00:13:23   Okay, well then, let's wait.

00:13:24   (laughing)

00:13:25   - This is the day you leave.

00:13:27   - Makes you feel a little better.

00:13:28   I belong to the Disneyland credit union.

00:13:29   You're back from my old Jungle Cruise days.

00:13:31   I've stuck with that bank, and--

00:13:33   - Awesome.

00:13:34   And they support it.

00:13:35   [LAUGHTER]

00:13:36   There it is.

00:13:37   Very small credit union.

00:13:38   I think they have one branch in the world, but they support it.

00:13:43   Why did Disney have a bank?

00:13:45   From employees and stuff.

00:13:47   Yeah, they're not messing around.

00:13:49   It takes good care.

00:13:50   Credit unions are great.

00:13:51   They take good care of you when you have no money like me.

00:13:54   Fair enough.

00:13:55   I'm going to take a break.

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00:16:06   and

00:16:23   I've mentioned it a bunch, it's our anniversary this week at Relay FM, we're one year old

00:16:27   and we just had a couple of little bits that we wanted to mention.

00:16:30   We have launched two new shows this week, we are recording on Tuesday, we'll put them

00:16:34   out on Monday.

00:16:35   One show is called Top 4 and the hosts of Top 4 are Marco Arment and Tiffany Arment

00:16:41   and they talk about their four favourite things in a certain category.

00:16:44   So the first show is about video games, so they talk about their four favourite video

00:16:48   games.

00:16:49   But my favourite thing about the show is you get to hear their kind of banter and the shared

00:16:53   sense of humor that they have which I really like and it makes the show very

00:16:56   charming to listen to and I think you really enjoy it so you should give that

00:16:59   one a try. But we do have one more show that I'm gonna leave Stephen Hackett to

00:17:02   tell you about. Yeah so Jason, Snell and I are doing a what we're calling Fortnitely

00:17:09   but every other week. I like that you both want to say Fortnitely but then

00:17:14   feel like you have to explain it. I love it every single time. Because I feel like

00:17:18   there are some people who might not that might not resonate with. Because

00:17:22   Americans. Yeah, both of you only know Fortnitely because of me and you just can't help it.

00:17:28   It's a great word. Anyways, so Liftoff is a show about space and how we get there

00:17:38   and what we do when we're there and the ideas that Jason and I are interested

00:17:43   in space but we're not necessarily rocket scientists and so kind of having

00:17:47   a more casual conversation about what's going on, both news and we want to do some educational

00:17:53   stuff, so we're going to do some episodes that are just sort of evergreen, like learning

00:17:59   about a certain topic or set of topics.

00:18:02   So we're excited to be doing it.

00:18:04   You should check both shows out.

00:18:06   Both shows are a lot of fun.

00:18:08   And yeah, it's fun to do a space show, finally.

00:18:13   I listened to the first episode.

00:18:14   I finished it this morning and I really really enjoyed it and I didn't feel like I was out

00:18:19   of my depth listening to it which is a testament to you both because I don't know anything

00:18:23   about space stuff but I'm interested in it so it fit the bill for sure.

00:18:28   We're also today straight after this show is finished we're going to be doing a Q&A

00:18:34   where we've been asking people to send us in questions about our first year and about

00:18:38   relay and stuff like that for the last couple of weeks.

00:18:40   It's going to be available in our B-Sides feed.

00:18:42   I'm going to include a link to that in the show notes so you'll be able to find it once

00:18:45   it's posted.

00:18:47   And finally, just before we recorded today, TechCrunch posted a great post all about RelayFM.

00:18:55   Me and Steven have been talking, sort of really great Romain over at TechCrunch and he's written

00:18:59   a fantastic article about us which I would also love if you would read because it would

00:19:03   give you a kind of an idea as to how we operate and how we work as a business and kind of

00:19:08   where we think we've come and where we're gonna go over the next forever. So

00:19:13   please go and take a look at that. Thanks forever. I thought we could spend some

00:19:17   time this week talking about the MacBook. David you have been pretty vocal about

00:19:23   your love of the machine both on Mac Power users and on your site and kind of

00:19:30   thought it'd be fun to check in on that if you're still in love with it or

00:19:34   favorite things about it and that sort of thing. Yeah I think I'm a little

00:19:37   defensive about it because everybody just keeps, you know, bagging on my computer. But the, uh,

00:19:42   it's, you know, it, well, it just, it came at the right time. I work from home and I have a

00:19:48   gorgeous Retina iMac and I wanted something more portable than my old aging Retina MacBook Pro,

00:19:56   you know, and, and it's just, it is heavier and it is, you know, a lot more to carry around and

00:20:01   frankly it was a lot more computer than I needed and while it still had some resale value, I

00:20:05   decided to change it out and when this new MacBook came out I mean I was

00:20:11   interested. For me retina screen is a big deal. I mean I don't know

00:20:17   that's true for everybody. I was talking to someone the other day who said that

00:20:19   they're perfectly happy with their MacBook Air and they don't even notice

00:20:22   the difference between the two screens. I totally do and so I think that's the

00:20:27   first problem or issue you have if you want to get one of these is are

00:20:32   you somebody who really likes the good screen?" But I do and I've been using it

00:20:37   now, I don't know, I guess about two months. How long has it been out now? I got it

00:20:43   pretty early after they released it, but it's a really nice little

00:20:47   computer and I don't have the complaints with it. Like I know Marco famously

00:20:53   hated his and there's a couple other people I think they've written articles

00:20:57   about how much they didn't like it but for me it's just been great.

00:21:01   I mean it's so light. I mean you can take it. It's about, I don't know, it

00:21:07   feels like carrying around an iPad Air but I'm sure it's a little bit

00:21:12   heavier but it's just not much more. In fact my little nephew was over the

00:21:17   other day and he saw it on the table and said "Is that your iPad? Can I put your iPad?"

00:21:20   He thought it was my iPad. And there's a lot of complaints about the

00:21:25   keyboard but I've adjusted to the keyboard and it doesn't bother me. I don't prefer it

00:21:30   but it doesn't slow me down. I'm fine with it.

00:21:33   Because you do a lot of writing on the machine, I assume.

00:21:35   Yeah, that's primarily what I do with it is writing. And you know, just managing my life.

00:21:40   I wanted a machine that could run OmniFocus and Mail and Safari and email and Word and

00:21:48   pages and the stuff I use. I mean in the day job I deal with words a lot and

00:21:52   Scrivener. So I wanted just kind of like a portable Mac and this thing is

00:21:58   great for it. What makes you choose it? Because all of those things that you

00:22:02   just said, an iPad can do all of those. I'm playing Federica. Why don't you... like what

00:22:08   makes you want to use a Mac for them instead? I'm faster on a Mac and I still

00:22:12   like my iPad and I still use it. I mean I'm fortunate enough that I can afford

00:22:17   to have them both. So there are certain things that happen on iPad and certain things that happen

00:22:22   on the MacBook and quite often when I leave the house for the day to go do client meetings or

00:22:28   court or whatever, I'll bring them both with me. But there are certain things that just the MacBook

00:22:35   are better for. Like Scrivener is one of them. I read a lot of stuff in Scrivener and having the

00:22:42   attached keyboard and the application doesn't even exist on the iPad. But the... Yeah, that feels like

00:22:46   that's been going on for a long time. Yeah, I know, trust me. And even like, you know, dealing with lots of

00:22:55   data in OmniFocus is easier on a Mac than it is on the iPad. You know,

00:23:00   there's certain things that are just easier. I mean, anyone that listens to Mac

00:23:03   Power users, like, knows all the scripts and stuff that you have doing work for

00:23:07   you in the background, right? And that's never gonna come to the iPad. Yeah, and

00:23:11   And so right now you can have a Mac that is almost no heavier than an iPad and

00:23:18   that's pretty awesome. I mean there's some of the nice things about it too

00:23:22   that the power situation is really nice. I am quite often I will work remotely

00:23:27   somewhere else and the battery life is fine on this Mac but if you really want

00:23:33   to have fun get yourself one of those big bricks for you know it's actually an

00:23:38   iPhone brick, you know, the ones that has a USB port in it that you can recharge

00:23:42   your iPhone with, it will recharge a new MacBook. It doesn't charge it fast but

00:23:49   you can add, I can add like five hours to it with one of those little bricks.

00:23:52   That's crazy. And the thing isn't that heavy to carry around because it's

00:23:56   really a phone charging brick. Yeah, I mean it feels like in a lot of ways the

00:24:01   MacBook is more of a device than a computer, like if that if there's a

00:24:05   distinction there. There's things like that, right, that you can you can use a

00:24:09   little battery pocket battery charger and charge for your laptop seems

00:24:14   nuts really. Well if you think about, and everybody's different, but if you work a

00:24:21   lot on the road, everybody has a pain point where they don't pack the

00:24:27   laptop, you know, let's say you have a MacBook Pro. There's a certain point

00:24:31   where you're just not going to take it with you it may be you know something

00:24:36   we're only going out for a few hours or whatever this thing that threshold is

00:24:40   very very high before you don't care it with you I I went to the over the

00:24:47   weekend they have a big thing in Anaheim every couple years called d23 it's the

00:24:51   Disneyland or the Disney companies yeah I was crazy I got to see I got to see

00:24:57   Harrison Ford and Dick Van Dyke and...

00:25:01   Everyone's favorite duo.

00:25:03   Yeah well I mean it was just like that's just an example of how broad it was. I mean

00:25:07   the entire cast from the new Star Wars movie, all the new people plus Harrison Ford, not

00:25:11   only the old people, Ben Kingsley, it was just nuts. And anyway but I carried that little

00:25:19   laptop with me the whole day because there were certain times in the day like my wife

00:25:24   is really into this stuff and she wanted to go to certain sessions that I didn't want

00:25:26   to go to and I've been sick the last couple weeks so I'm really trying to get

00:25:30   caught up so I said well I can afford to go to this thing with you if I can have

00:25:35   like four hours during the day that I can deal with my business and she's like

00:25:39   fine so I brought the little laptop with me you know found a Starbucks and I was

00:25:43   fine and you know I just would not have carried a 15-inch written a MacBook Pro

00:25:47   with me as I walked I think I walked like 18,000 steps that day you know

00:25:52   through the convention halls. So you know that's an example of where it

00:25:58   goes. Yeah, it's uh, I mean it sounds like that you, I mean could you get by in a

00:26:07   situation like with just the MacBook or do you still find things that require

00:26:11   the big iMac? Like really I was thinking like power-wise. Yeah, you know my

00:26:17   summary is it's a great second Mac. It's not so great only Mac and that's at

00:26:22   least for me because I do work in like iBooks author and you know some video

00:26:26   production stuff that you know this iMac I'm sorry this little MacBook is just

00:26:30   not built for. If all I did was kind of the stuff that I do on the MacBook you

00:26:37   know word processing, email, browsing stuff that would it would be fine but if

00:26:44   you do any kind of power stuff you're gonna need something more hefty but that

00:26:48   being said I've twice now been out of town for over seven days and used a

00:26:53   little laptop and it's been perfectly adequate for what I needed to do while I

00:26:58   was out of town. Oh you two are killing me. Yeah so Myke you have not been

00:27:06   quiet about the fact that you see this machine and it does things to your feelings. Yeah

00:27:11   to quote Top Gear it gives me that fizzy feeling. There is just every

00:27:17   time I go into an Apple store, no matter what I'm going for, I will always spend a

00:27:21   couple of minutes just picking up and putting down one of these things.

00:27:25   That tends to be the main thing that I do is I close it, I lift it and I put it down

00:27:28   and I open it. I just keep doing that. It's like there's nothing. There's

00:27:32   nothing there to it and it looks fantastic and the keyboard's fine. Like I

00:27:37   don't write, you know, like you guys do. Like I just type the occasional sentence

00:27:41   here and there so... and it drives me crazy. I want one and also what's making

00:27:47   it worse is I've changed my computer setup at home so I now use my Mac Pro as

00:27:52   my primary machine and I use my laptop when I'm recording I don't like to touch

00:27:57   the machine that I'm recording on so I'm using my laptop right now just to read

00:28:00   our show notes document to add things to our show notes on the website and then I

00:28:06   also use my MacBook when I'm away like when I'm out working or something but

00:28:10   the so the but currently the only thing that's stopping me is every like every

00:28:15   now and then, maybe once every couple of weeks or something like that, I will do

00:28:20   logic editing on my MacBook Pro at my co-working space and I'm just not

00:28:26   convinced that I would be able to cope with a slower machine trying to do

00:28:32   that stuff because coming from my Mac Pro to my MacBook Pro it's already too

00:28:37   much of a decrease. I'm like, I'm sitting at the Mac Pro and I'm like, "Oh my god, why is

00:28:41   taking you so long. Okay, so here's a question. Is there other work you could

00:28:46   do from a remote location other than editing? Yeah, there is, but it's one of

00:28:51   the things is like sometimes I will know that I'm gonna be sitting in this logic

00:28:55   file for four hours, so I want to be at least in a nice varied location, you know?

00:29:00   That's kind of my thinking. Whenever I'm doing that stuff, it's like I'm

00:29:03   editing a long show and it takes me a long time to do it. And the other thing

00:29:07   is when I'm traveling, like I'm on a plane and I'm editing then, but it's like,

00:29:10   "I don't know, I don't know." I think the only real thing that's stopping me right

00:29:15   now is new iPhones and iPads just around the corner. And I don't know if I can

00:29:21   justify multiple thousands of dollars of Apple products like in the space of a few

00:29:26   weeks. Yeah, well, because I thought about it because I do, you know, I earn a living

00:29:32   making, you know, screencast videos and, you know, the books I write. And I

00:29:37   I realized when I made this transition that I was giving up that ability.

00:29:41   Like if I'm out of town for a week,

00:29:43   I'm not going to be working on an iBooks author book.

00:29:46   But that's for me unusual,

00:29:48   usually I am around.

00:29:50   But the decision I had to make was,

00:29:52   am I willing to give up the ability to work in those parts of my work life remotely?

00:29:58   And I started thinking about it.

00:30:02   I'm like, well, there's a lot of work I can do remotely

00:30:04   that doesn't involve those two big programs.

00:30:07   And frankly, I'm always behind on that work too.

00:30:10   So if I'm going to go remotely,

00:30:11   I'm going to be dealing with the email backlog

00:30:14   or writing a contract or doing something else.

00:30:17   And I really haven't missed the power

00:30:19   of the retina MacBook Pro at all.

00:30:21   But that's a question you have to ask yourself.

00:30:23   If you have to do logic editing remotely,

00:30:26   I'm not sure this is the computer for you.

00:30:28   - So my current feeling about this is just to wait

00:30:32   for the next revision and just see what happens.

00:30:35   Like I don't think it's going to be as big a jump as it was from the original

00:30:39   MacBook care to the best computer app ever made, right?

00:30:43   By many people's like estimation, the net,

00:30:46   like the second version of the third version of the MacBook air was an

00:30:49   incredible thing. I don't think it's going to be that much of a jump,

00:30:52   but if they can beef it up in any way,

00:30:54   then it might make it an easier purchase decision for me.

00:30:57   Now, Steven, you've got one in your house, right?

00:31:00   Uh, I do.

00:31:01   So my wife has an 11 inch MacBook Air

00:31:05   that I had bought refurbished.

00:31:06   So it was already, I meant to look at the model,

00:31:10   but I think it's like two or two and a half years old.

00:31:12   You know, I bought it, it was sort of a previous generation.

00:31:15   Got a good deal on it and she just needed a computer

00:31:17   for sort of around the house type stuff.

00:31:21   But I got it with a pretty small SSD in it

00:31:24   and she is basically out of space.

00:31:27   And so I was looking at, well, you know,

00:31:29   I could get an SSD and put one in there potentially.

00:31:33   I could, you know, like, I don't want to like give her

00:31:35   a USB drive she has to carry around all the time.

00:31:37   That's real fragile.

00:31:38   I don't want to like offload her photo library

00:31:40   to our Synology and she like streamed that

00:31:43   over the wireless.

00:31:44   I was like, yeah, I think the best solution here

00:31:45   is going to be a machine with more storage space.

00:31:49   So we were sort of looking and once you look

00:31:54   at a 512 gig SSD, the difference between an 11 inch air,

00:31:59   13 inch Air and 12 inch MacBook. It's really only a couple hundred bucks either

00:32:03   way. They're really close in price which sort of makes this whole conversation

00:32:08   about which computer to buy I think a little more confusing for some people.

00:32:11   But we decided to do to do the MacBook. So I've got it actually here with me at

00:32:17   work today. And it so I've been I've been using it actually have El Capitan on it

00:32:24   right now and I need some retina screenshots for my OS X review and so

00:32:28   I'm running it for a couple weeks and I'm gonna give it to her and the 11-inch air will be floating around our house somewhere

00:32:34   But in the in the short time I've been using it

00:32:38   I've actually really come to like it, you know, like like Myke said I need more power

00:32:43   Most of the time, you know my main machine really my only other Mac right now is a 15 inch

00:32:48   Retina MacBook Pro and actually a brand new one with the four-step trackpad and

00:32:52   It's it's a killer machine and I do need like, you know, I've got logic going I'm doing Photoshop

00:32:58   I need that horsepower much more than sort of an average person.

00:33:03   But David, what you said makes a lot of sense too.

00:33:06   I don't want to lug a big old MacBook Pro around if I'm working remotely

00:33:11   and I don't need that power, right?

00:33:13   So I'm looking at this MacBook and like, you know,

00:33:15   I wrote a big article on it yesterday and I've been using it a lot

00:33:19   and there is something very attractive about this machine

00:33:22   for just a get up and go type computer.

00:33:27   You know days that I'm doing administration work for relay for instance could easily do it on this computer and

00:33:32   I've really been impressed with it that it is light it is Pat is

00:33:37   For what it is. It's it's quick

00:33:40   You know

00:33:40   I it was slow to install OS X and OS X updates but past that

00:33:44   Doing OmniFocus doing things in the browser doing thing and things in Excel

00:33:48   it's perfectly fine and I think that it's

00:33:55   It's obviously first generation has some trade-offs right like it's it's already been sort of annoying

00:34:00   I need to plug something in how to like go find an adapter and buying a bunch of you know a bunch of adapters

00:34:04   But it's you can kind of see that this is the future of notebooks in a way

00:34:08   And so from that perspective. I think it's really interesting I

00:34:13   Mean that the one poor thing for me has not been an issue at all

00:34:17   I mean, I just because it's a second computer. I hardly ever plug it into anything and

00:34:23   Right and that the power the power thing is ridiculous

00:34:26   like I I didn't know what was gonna happen the first time I plugged an external battery into it because I didn't know if

00:34:31   The external battery was gonna charge up the MacBook or the MacBook was gonna charge up the external battery

00:34:36   You know because it really could go either the power could go either direction

00:34:40   With that port and it unfortunately the right thing happened the battery charged up the MacBook

00:34:46   But then I got an Amazon and I bought

00:34:49   three

00:34:51   USB type 2 connector to USB type 3 connector cables and

00:34:55   A couple years ago. I just got tiny I got kids and I got tired of everybody's machines always being

00:35:01   Uncharged so I bought a couple of those anchor devices where you plug into the wall

00:35:06   It's got like six USB ports in it

00:35:08   And it's smart and it puts out enough juice to to charge an iPad or an iPhone. Yeah, those things are amazing

00:35:15   I love those. Yeah, so I've got I've got a couple of those around the house along with my stump collection

00:35:20   And so the kids and even my kids friends know when they come over they can plug in, you know, so I've got this

00:35:26   Oh, so just for giggles. I got some of those cables

00:35:29   I plug them into those devices those anchor devices and now I can just drop my laptop

00:35:35   Basically anywhere in the house and charge it from one of those those anchor devices

00:35:40   I mean, it's just kind of nuts and and Steven's statement earlier that it's kind of a middle-of-the-road device

00:35:46   It's not exactly a MacBook and it's not exactly an iOS device, but it's somewhere in the middle is true, but it runs all Mac software

00:35:53   Yeah

00:35:57   Like like, you know keyboard maestro I can run keyboard maestro now anywhere

00:36:02   I mean, I don't know but it I'm happy with it

00:36:06   I understand its limitations and and I was willing to you know, like I said, I changed my work habits to a certain degree

00:36:14   I'm not doing iBooks author work at Starbucks anymore, but you know iBooks author work is best on this big gorgeous iMac anyway

00:36:21   So I'm okay with that. There's a there's a rumor floating around

00:36:24   Yesterday that Apple is revising their external Bluetooth keyboard, which is what I use. I've got one right right here in front of me and

00:36:30   I think if they do it to match the MacBook

00:36:34   I think they're gonna be a lot of people who are unhappy with that

00:36:37   But um, I do have to say even after a couple days. I've gotten adjusted

00:36:42   Typing on the MacBook. It's it's actually there's some things that are really nice about it that you don't have to press as hard

00:36:47   You're going back to the RSI follow-up stuff

00:36:49   I think that it is it is definitely I

00:36:54   Could see why people don't like it and and I didn't like it in the store actually

00:36:59   I think I even said that on this show that they're sort of typing in the Apple Store

00:37:02   It felt weird and was strange, but I think if you kind of commit to it

00:37:05   There are a lot of good things about the keyboard. It does feel very precise in a way that

00:37:11   is I've never had a keyboard feel, so.

00:37:14   - What if they made the Bluetooth keyboard

00:37:17   with the new switches, but the same amount of travel

00:37:20   as the existing Bluetooth keyboard?

00:37:22   - Yeah, I mean, that'd be nice too,

00:37:23   to get rid of that wobbliness.

00:37:25   I mean, honestly, if they put a backlight

00:37:27   in the Bluetooth keyboard, I'm gonna buy it

00:37:28   no matter what the key caps look like.

00:37:30   - They're obviously gonna change the font

00:37:32   to San Francisco as well, is one of the other things

00:37:34   they're gonna do, right, on the keyboard.

00:37:37   - It'd be nice.

00:37:40   But yeah, so we'll, we'll, we'll kinda,

00:37:41   I just wanted to throw that in there

00:37:43   that I think it was interesting talking about the MacBook

00:37:45   and then there was this rumor about the keyboard

00:37:47   and I think the Magic Mouse too,

00:37:49   potentially getting an update

00:37:50   but no one cares about the Magic Mouse.

00:37:52   - Man, I do.

00:37:54   I have one right here.

00:37:55   I love this thing.

00:37:56   I'm being deadly serious with you

00:37:58   because I prefer using a mouse for a lot of things

00:38:03   than a track pad and the Magic Mouse gives me

00:38:05   all the gestures that I want,

00:38:07   like to switch between spaces and stuff like that.

00:38:09   which is nice.

00:38:10   - So it drives me crazy,

00:38:12   like I have that Logitech mouse that we both have,

00:38:15   I have some buttons programmed,

00:38:17   but like I can't switch between spaces with swiping,

00:38:20   and that's one of the reasons

00:38:21   that I keep the trackpad around.

00:38:23   So I do really like the Magic Mouse for that,

00:38:25   I'm maybe one of the only people in the world,

00:38:26   so I'm actually happy that they're continuing

00:38:28   to do stuff with it.

00:38:30   - That's a good point.

00:38:32   - Right, let's take a break,

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00:42:16   - Did you guys hear our recent MPU with Jonathan Mann?

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00:42:27   - So talking about MPU, the lovely Mac power users,

00:42:32   which is part of the wonderful Relay FM,

00:42:34   and we thank you again for that, David,

00:42:36   for bringing a lovely show over to our--

00:42:38   - Oh, we're thrilled to be a part of it.

00:42:40   You know, when I heard you guys were going out on your own,

00:42:42   I'd like to say that, you know,

00:42:43   we're all shocked about how successful you've been,

00:42:46   but I had like zero doubt this was gonna be a big deal

00:42:49   when you guys went out.

00:42:50   - Oh, you, being too nice to us now.

00:42:53   I want to talk about very quickly an episode that you did last week, episode 272, Mac-based

00:42:59   small business.

00:43:01   This was basically right in mind Steven's wheelhouse.

00:43:06   Like I think with many people, especially with Steven having quit his job like a week

00:43:09   earlier, this is exactly the type of stuff that we love to hear.

00:43:13   And obviously you were kind of telling Katie about a bunch of the things that you have

00:43:16   done now that you are independent.

00:43:19   you have your own business now, David, and like me and Steven do as well.

00:43:24   And you were talking about a bunch of stuff that you like to do and that kind of things,

00:43:28   and the way that you have stuff set up now to help you out with working from home.

00:43:34   So I think we wanted to touch on that.

00:43:35   And I know that Steven, obviously, has written a little post about his setting hours last

00:43:39   week.

00:43:40   So Steven, do you want to start off on that, and we'll talk a little bit about this working

00:43:42   from home type stuff.

00:43:43   Yeah, sure thing.

00:43:45   So because I'm doing multiple things, I'm doing relay, I'm doing 512, I'm doing some

00:43:50   consulting and freelancing, I've been aware going into this that the way my time is divided

00:43:57   up is something that I need to pay attention to.

00:44:00   That something I'm spending 50% of my time on, you know, if that's only making 15% of

00:44:06   my income, that's a problem.

00:44:08   And so I need to make sure that ratio is at least close to what I think it should be.

00:44:13   And so I've been using this app called Hours and I will put a link to that in the show notes.

00:44:21   It is just this little iPhone app and you can set up tasks and you just hit a little button and it counts time against that task.

00:44:29   And you can go in and add it later so you can run a timer or if you're like me bouncing from one thing to another you can kind of estimate it and put things in.

00:44:37   So I've been using that on my phone for about a week and a half now. I started last week.

00:44:42   just to see where the time is going.

00:44:46   And because it's not all directly

00:44:49   one to one billable type stuff.

00:44:52   Anyway, so I ran a report from that

00:44:55   and just kind of threw this up on the site last night

00:44:57   about my first week, worked 30, or clocked 38 hours.

00:45:02   I feel like I worked much more than that.

00:45:05   Some stuff didn't go into this,

00:45:06   just sort of like, you know,

00:45:08   just stuff you have to deal with,

00:45:10   like errands and resetting up my desk

00:45:13   for the fourth time this week and that sort of stuff.

00:45:16   But I thought it was an interesting way

00:45:19   to sort of look at where my time is going so far.

00:45:22   And it's only the first week and like I say,

00:45:24   this pie chart will shift over time I think.

00:45:27   But I just thought that was a really important thing

00:45:30   to sort of be thinking about because I'm doing more

00:45:33   than one thing for my living now.

00:45:37   I don't know. David, I imagine this sort of thing is huge for you with client work.

00:45:43   Yeah, it's hard because my day job...

00:45:46   for those that don't know, I'm a lawyer and I have a little practice where I represent a lot of companies

00:45:52   and software developers and people like that.

00:45:54   And so, for a lot of those people,

00:45:57   when they need me, it's like a fireman, you know, that you need to go down the pole and run to the fire.

00:46:04   And so that's always out there.

00:46:05   And that's one of the reasons why I'm so into organization and this stuff,

00:46:08   because I need to be able to be agile.

00:46:11   Um, but I also, you know, have this separate business where I write books

00:46:16   and do podcasts and do things that I really love as well.

00:46:19   And, uh, the, the thing I found so far in this process is that, uh, the legal

00:46:25   business has definitely taken priority over the first, you know, and I've been

00:46:28   at it four or five months and frankly, I was pretty sick for a part of it.

00:46:32   I ended up with kidney stones of all things.

00:46:34   And so that kind of set me back as well.

00:46:37   But I'm really looking forward in the next couple months

00:46:40   to getting better at wrangling the legal side

00:46:43   so I have a little bit more time for the other stuff.

00:46:46   And I really think it's just something

00:46:48   where you just figure it out as you go along too.

00:46:50   I mean, I was up last night till like 1 a.m.

00:46:53   digging out of an email hole because I got sick.

00:46:57   But you know, so I'm not really sure

00:46:59   I know all the variables yet.

00:47:00   But what I do like is that I get to make the decision every day and I get to figure out

00:47:06   how I'm going to solve these problems, which is really great.

00:47:10   What is your ideal balance of time between Max Sparky and Sparks Law?

00:47:15   I don't know yet.

00:47:17   That's part of the problem, I think.

00:47:18   Because I really enjoy both a great deal.

00:47:21   That's great that you actually do still enjoy the legal stuff.

00:47:24   Oh yeah.

00:47:25   I talk to some people who say, "Well yeah, I have a job too I'm using to help me get

00:47:29   to where I want to be with the other thing and you know what I do

00:47:33   fundamentally is help people and I help people with you know kind of as a

00:47:38   business lawyer I help a lot of people with some really hard problems and

00:47:42   that's very rewarding but also as Max Sparky I get emails all the time from

00:47:46   people where I give them a little tip or something and they talk about they write

00:47:49   me and talk you know thank me because they get get to go home earlier or

00:47:52   whatever and you know so I get happy chemicals from both things so I'm

00:48:00   definitely not looking to be someday where all I do is write textbooks I

00:48:05   still want to keep my head in the other game as well but I at this point I'm not

00:48:10   really sure what the balance is because I'm still figuring it out I have having

00:48:15   done this for a which is kind of crazy me approaching a year I think I've been

00:48:19   self-employed for like 10 months or something I still don't have the balance

00:48:24   set. I'm actually starting to resign myself to the fact that I will never set

00:48:28   it and that it just continues to shift and I just need to be... I'm not saying this will be

00:48:33   the same for everyone but for me like I just feel like I need to just make sure

00:48:36   that I'm keeping it in my mind and I try and balance it out week by week because

00:48:41   there's no... I could... every time I think I've fixed it I'm like right okay I've

00:48:46   I've done this and this and this, and I've, like,

00:48:48   for example, I put inquisitive to every two weeks

00:48:51   'cause I need the balance there,

00:48:52   but now a new project is taking some more time away.

00:48:55   Like every time I think like, right, okay, great,

00:48:57   here's the balance, oh, no, I'll do this now.

00:48:59   And it's, you know, it just ends up being

00:49:01   that I just keep shifting it around.

00:49:04   - Yeah, I was just talking to a client yesterday

00:49:06   and he was telling me, he says, you know, Dave,

00:49:08   I finally got this whole business worked out

00:49:10   and it's making money and the machine just runs now

00:49:14   and I just feel like I'm all set.

00:49:16   And I had to tell him, you know, my experience,

00:49:19   nothing ever stays that way.

00:49:20   Everything is in fluid and emotion.

00:49:22   And you know, you're always gonna have to kind of

00:49:24   pivot your business at some point.

00:49:26   And as I was telling him the speech,

00:49:28   I was thinking about myself.

00:49:29   I'm thinking, how come I haven't taken my own advice

00:49:31   and realized that this is always gonna be in motion?

00:49:35   You know, I can't sit here and stressed out about it

00:49:36   too much, I just need to keep working.

00:49:39   And I really like Steven's idea though,

00:49:41   of looking at, you know, where's the money coming in

00:49:44   versus where am I spending my time?

00:49:45   And sometimes it's worth it to spend your time on something

00:49:48   that doesn't make as much money

00:49:49   'cause you're passionate about it.

00:49:50   But to know that information is just,

00:49:55   I mean, I was thinking, I haven't done this.

00:49:56   I just downloaded hours.

00:49:57   I'm gonna follow Steven's trick here

00:50:00   and just kind of, I need to know the data.

00:50:02   I mean, how much am I spending on this versus that?

00:50:04   And what is making money?

00:50:07   Because that may change some of your decisions.

00:50:09   So, I mean, like everybody,

00:50:11   and this is, I know, kind of a running thing

00:50:13   on relay these days,

00:50:14   But you know, when do you stop?

00:50:17   It's kind of hard when you're working for yourself.

00:50:18   It's easy to just keep working right into the, you know,

00:50:21   till you fall into bed.

00:50:23   And, but, you know, we say that, but we also take time.

00:50:27   I know like for instance, I'm going out with my,

00:50:30   with my 18 year old later today,

00:50:32   we're going to a concert together.

00:50:33   And there's things like this that just not,

00:50:36   would have not have been possible

00:50:38   when I was working for the man.

00:50:39   - I wanted, obviously in that episode,

00:50:44   you mentioned about all the great stuff that you're using the Mac for and I

00:50:48   really think that people should listen to it. It's just a really fascinating

00:50:50   episode. I just lapped it up. But I want to talk about the iPad a little bit

00:50:54   because the iPad Air has become a surprising tool for me with getting

00:51:00   work done that I didn't expect it would be. I'm running iOS 9 on it and I

00:51:06   think when I look at the way that iOS 9 is now and where it will go once it's

00:51:11   actually out. I can see how much more even then it will become an important

00:51:15   part of the way that I do work. You know that the multiple screen stuff is really

00:51:19   good. I've been using the Notes app a lot and the split screen stuff is great and

00:51:23   the Notes app is surprisingly good. Like, David, have you been using it much?

00:51:29   Yes, yes. I can't believe actually that Apple have made an app that... okay that sounds bad but

00:51:36   like an app that like us nerds really care about text editors and notes apps

00:51:43   and this one is like basically as good as I would need it to be I would like to

00:51:49   have a couple of other things but the things that I want it to have it doesn't

00:51:52   need like I would love markdown previewing but whatever you know yeah I

00:51:56   mean you can write markdown in it it's just not gonna preview it and to me

00:52:01   that's fine I actually kind of in my head I translate markdown anyway but the

00:52:06   like I think tagging would be kind of nice it doesn't have that but just in

00:52:11   general the thing is it's an it's kind of a weird hybrid between text editing

00:52:16   and Evernote where you know like I'm getting ready to do a garden project I

00:52:19   live in Southern California and we have no water anymore so I'm getting rid of

00:52:23   my grass and I'm gonna start getting some drought friendly plants so I've

00:52:27   been collecting bits around the internet about plants I may want to use and

00:52:31   you know, how can we really reduce our water usage in the Sparks house?

00:52:35   And Notes is perfect for that. I've got pictures in there, I've got little

00:52:39   OmniGraffle drawings I've drawn and you know saved out as PDF and all that stuff

00:52:44   just dumps right into the Notes app and it's very handy to me. So while

00:52:48   Evernote never really worked for me, Notes is kind of treading that line and

00:52:53   it's not on my iMac yet because I haven't loaded LCAP up there yet but I

00:52:58   I am definitely in the running for really adopting notes in a big way here in the next couple months.

00:53:04   So like some of the stuff that I've found it extremely useful for, like a couple of weeks ago we were talking about the way that we prepare shows.

00:53:11   And I mentioned that I use drafts to append and prepend to notes for each show. I'm now using Notes App for that.

00:53:18   So I have like, I thought that's one of the main things that I do and considering it has a pretty good extension, I'll give it a go and I really like that.

00:53:25   it has pretty good outlining stuff like the bullets do a pretty good job you

00:53:32   know like I like to outline with just bulleted lists and does a good job and

00:53:35   the bulleted lists that it produces you can copy and paste them into Google

00:53:40   Drive and it keeps the formatting which makes me extremely happy. Anybody that is

00:53:46   using on the Mac that is struggling with trying to get a bulleted list to begin

00:53:52   if you just press Alt+8 it creates a bullet and press space and then the

00:53:56   Notes app translates that into a bulleted list. Which is very smart that it does that

00:54:00   but I wish there was an actual key combination that the app told you you

00:54:04   could do to begin a bulleted list but that is a way that you can do it. And I have

00:54:09   it on my iPhone, my iPad, on my laptop. I haven't put El Capitan on my recording

00:54:13   machine naturally and when I'm using the Mac Pro now I

00:54:18   I miss the Notes app.

00:54:20   I'm using it for a bunch of stuff.

00:54:22   I'm using it to help me plan out

00:54:24   the talk that I'm going to be doing at the Release Notes Conference.

00:54:26   And I've got images in here.

00:54:28   I've got links in here.

00:54:30   I'm really happy with it.

00:54:32   It's just a very simple Notes app.

00:54:34   And it does some rich text stuff pretty good.

00:54:38   You have some drawing tools, which are fantastic, and foreshadowing.

00:54:42   And I'm surprisingly happy with it, actually.

00:54:46   that's one of the great tools of the iPad for me. Yeah you can also do a

00:54:51   bullet bliss by hitting shift 8 you know just the asterisk and space and then

00:54:55   start typing creates a bullet bliss. Yes, thank you David. It's weird it doesn't say

00:55:00   there's no like in the menus it doesn't give it shows how to

00:55:05   begin a bullet list but doesn't give a key combination and I was really

00:55:08   struggling to find it. Option 8 is is system-wide on the Mac. It's not note

00:55:12   specific but it I guess they sort of it's one of those things you assume you know. Yeah

00:55:18   I've used it I mean I've got the MacBook running 10/11 and I actually put iOS 9 on my phone

00:55:23   last night and so far it has not exploded into a pile of aluminum and glass so that's

00:55:28   that's good. Always useful. Yeah it's it's you don't want to let it like a crater on

00:55:34   your desk where your phone used to be but it's it is an interesting time for the for

00:55:38   the note stuff you know we've talked a lot about Evernote and how it sort of

00:55:41   wandered out into the weeds and I don't know if it's ever going to come back. So

00:55:45   to have something first-party seems you know seems exciting. I don't need

00:55:51   everything Evernote has you know. You look at something like reminders or

00:55:55   something you know some of Apple's first-party stuff that's very simple and

00:56:00   I need something more powerful. Notes is sort of the opposite like I don't need

00:56:03   everything that something like Evernote can do so I'm excited with you guys to

00:56:08   to see where that goes in the future.

00:56:13   But also other stuff, like the iPad is just...

00:56:17   Like I was doing some work on it this morning, and it's a great machine now that I can just

00:56:21   pick up and go somewhere else with for a lot of the, I think, the uses that you have for

00:56:26   the MacBook, David.

00:56:28   Like it's just a machine that I can go and sit in the garden, or I can go and just sit

00:56:31   in the lounge downstairs and just like sit on the sofa and do a bit of work in the morning,

00:56:36   respond to email and you know simple things like read Twitter and stuff like

00:56:40   that and for as sad as that is on the iPad it's something that I do and it's

00:56:45   the iPad is is forcing its way into my life and is becoming an essential device

00:56:49   again. Well it's quietly become so much more competent for work I mean

00:56:54   the hardware's got better and the software like I know you guys do a lot

00:56:57   of work in Google Docs and Google Sheets and those apps on the iPad are really

00:57:03   competent now. I mean, like all the work I did on the outline for the show

00:57:06   was on my iPad, you know, in the Google Docs app.

00:57:09   And then, you know, I start to think about an iPad Pro and what that could have and

00:57:14   what that could be and I'm kind of getting quite excited about it

00:57:19   and I'm wondering how much teachy I can go in my life. We'll see.

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01:00:08   Right. So, uh, the Apple Music Festival. So I saw this come out today.

01:00:14   This is something that maybe people will remember from the last couple of years,

01:00:18   although it's been around in the UK for quite a while.

01:00:21   It was previously called the iTunes Music Festival.

01:00:24   And in the last couple of years,

01:00:26   Apple have created an Apple TV app

01:00:28   and they've been streaming them worldwide.

01:00:30   But previously it's just an absolutely free festival.

01:00:33   You apply for tickets.

01:00:35   They have done in the past,

01:00:36   like it used to be like a 30 day thing.

01:00:38   There'd be a different, like be 30 different concerts.

01:00:41   It's down to 10 days this year.

01:00:42   They've shrunk it down.

01:00:44   But the lineup that they've had so far,

01:00:46   like the people that they've announced,

01:00:48   bigger guests than they've had in previous years like in Aggregate they've

01:00:51   got One Direction, Disclosure, Pharrell, and Florence and the Machine. It's a huge

01:00:55   four to begin with. Every one of those acts have a special guest of them which

01:01:00   are also another great band usually and then they're obviously gonna have

01:01:04   another six nights that they're gonna show and you can apply for tickets

01:01:08   directly of Apple. They also do some promotions with newspapers and other

01:01:13   media outlets in the UK to give this stuff away. But what makes this

01:01:16   What is interesting this time around is that Apple are obviously considering, let's call

01:01:21   it the Apple Music Festival, which is smart, and they're also leveraging all of the stuff

01:01:27   from Apple Music to make this a more complete experience for people watching it.

01:01:33   So everyone will be able to stream the concerts via the music app on iOS devices, also on

01:01:38   iTunes on the Mac and on the Apple TV.

01:01:40   Apple are also going to stream content through the Beats 1 radio station, so they'll probably

01:01:45   do behind the scenes stuff and maybe they'll replay the concerts on Beats 1 and they're

01:01:51   also going to do behind the scenes footage on Apple Music Connect.

01:01:54   So it's like this is a fantastic way for Apple to showcase the service and I think that is

01:02:00   very interesting and whoever thought "Ah, we do this at a thing!

01:02:06   Why don't we just roll all of this into Apple Music?"

01:02:09   That person got a bonus that day I think.

01:02:13   So I have applied to go to the iTunes Music Festival on multiple occasions.

01:02:18   Every year I always apply for a gig of some kind.

01:02:21   I haven't applied for any of these four yet but I'm sure I will by the end of it.

01:02:25   On two occasions I won tickets but couldn't go to either of them.

01:02:29   Oh no.

01:02:30   Yeah, there was work stuff or recording stuff would pop up.

01:02:33   Because they kind of tell you quite late in the process, maybe like a day or two before

01:02:38   that you've got them in previous years.

01:02:42   If you don't claim them, they just go to somebody else.

01:02:44   Like you have to go in and claim them.

01:02:45   But you always get a pair of tickets, which is really cool.

01:02:48   And the concert is completely free.

01:02:50   And obviously you pay for like food or drinks

01:02:51   and stuff like that.

01:02:52   But I think it's just a really interesting way

01:02:54   of leveraging everything around Apple Music

01:02:57   to create an interesting experience for people.

01:03:00   'Cause this is a really,

01:03:02   I've always found the iTunes festival

01:03:04   an interesting and kind of weird thing that Apple do.

01:03:07   Like I never fully understood why they did it.

01:03:10   You know, it was just kind of like a we can do this.

01:03:12   so we'll do it type thing.

01:03:14   - Yeah, I think it's, to me it feels sort of like

01:03:17   older Apple, not like 90s or 80s Apple,

01:03:20   but sort of like mid 2000s Apple,

01:03:22   where music was a really big part of their business,

01:03:25   and they're returning to that now.

01:03:27   But this just feels like something that,

01:03:29   for some reason, like I just see Steve Jobs,

01:03:31   and they're like, you know what,

01:03:32   we should have like a big old concert, and--

01:03:35   - But it always felt like, maybe up until last year,

01:03:37   I mean, or the year before,

01:03:38   when they started streaming them,

01:03:39   But even then still, it was like Apple London

01:03:43   had money in their budget and they used it for this.

01:03:47   'Cause it only happens in London.

01:03:49   - Right, yeah, it's not like a road show

01:03:51   where they have, I mean, you could see Apple doing this

01:03:54   through the month of September, maybe one in London,

01:03:57   then the next weekend one in LA,

01:03:59   and the next weekend one in Tokyo.

01:04:01   That would be interesting too.

01:04:03   I kinda see them maybe doing that

01:04:05   at some point in the future.

01:04:06   pushing the worldwide aspect of Beats 1.

01:04:09   - Worldwide.

01:04:10   - That's right, are you okay there?

01:04:12   It sounded deep.

01:04:13   - I'm just saying, loving it.

01:04:15   - But I don't know, what do you think, David?

01:04:21   - I don't follow pop music as much, so the acts are never as interesting to me.

01:04:25   Now that I have kids, I actually recognize some of these groups, but otherwise I probably

01:04:29   wouldn't.

01:04:30   But I like it, I think it's cool that they are doing it, and you know what, they can

01:04:35   afford it.

01:04:36   money. I would like to see it kind of expand especially as they are focusing

01:04:40   more on music now. I mean why don't they do one in New York and one in LA too?

01:04:44   I mean they could do that.

01:04:46   My feeling is this is all we get please don't take it away from us.

01:04:50   You know this is something London has. Leave it in London. But I understand the idea.

01:04:56   Because it's just interesting they do it this way and it would make a lot of

01:05:00   sense to maybe do Five Nights in London and Five Nights in New York even and

01:05:05   just leave it like that. And I think maybe that's something they will

01:05:09   probably do. I expect that these types of things have to be locked down a long

01:05:13   time in advance. Like the venue that Apple use, the Roundhouse, is a very very

01:05:18   popular music venue in London. It's fantastic. It's just a round, as you can

01:05:24   imagine, it's just a round building and the the gig area is round and it has

01:05:29   like a seating area upstairs and it really is just a fantastic venue and

01:05:34   and there's no way you could book 10 nights there at short notice.

01:05:36   Like this is probably booked a year ago.

01:05:38   So I'd be interested to see what happens over the next couple of years

01:05:42   to see if they expand it out from there.

01:05:43   I think the bigger question is,

01:05:46   is how much harder is Apple going to be hitting the whole music thing going forward?

01:05:50   Because it seems like the signal is now they really want to reconnect with their music roots.

01:05:55   And you know, what does that mean in addition to things like this?

01:06:01   Yeah, I mean it's interesting that they're going back there because of when they did it.

01:06:06   They, you know, we spoke about it on the show many people have that it always felt a bit light,

01:06:10   but now they're like pouring a ton of money into it and I wonder why that is.

01:06:13   I mean I think, I think Apple Music,

01:06:18   I think it's one of those things that benefits from just saturation and awareness and I mean

01:06:26   they've renamed it, it was the iTunes Music Festival forever, they've renamed it now and

01:06:30   And so I think it's all just one sort of like big push, especially these 90 days are still going on,

01:06:37   to get people involved and get people to check out what's going on, you know, before that,

01:06:44   during this kind of opening window, opening season of album music.

01:06:50   Well, I can think of three billion reasons why they want to get more exposed to music,

01:06:55   because I mean, they've really, I mean, we think the last year, I mean,

01:06:59   they bought Beats, they opened up this whole, you know, Apple Music service, they've got the

01:07:05   streaming service, I mean they've come a long way with music in the last 12 months. So it just,

01:07:10   I don't know, I just don't think the story is done being told here. I think there's going to be more

01:07:14   to this. Yeah, yeah. I wonder,

01:07:19   is this, you know, just a way for them to just spend a ton of their money, right? And

01:07:26   it's an easy way to do it and you because you know you need to think about

01:07:30   you know i'm sure people like zane low and people like that come at quite

01:07:35   a cost and i wonder if it is like do they do this because they think it sells

01:07:38   more devices do they do it because it's one of those things you have to do to

01:07:42   have a well-rounded kind of system now like you have to have music

01:07:46   and instead of doing what it was the obvious thing what everybody else is

01:07:49   doing is oh our current music library you can just

01:07:52   just stream it now they decided to do a bunch of other stuff as well and I

01:07:56   wonder if you know like what the motivations are for that like is it they

01:08:00   want to be the top dog in streaming or they just want to do things the Apple

01:08:04   way like I wonder where the original thinking behind let's do beats one came

01:08:09   from think about Samsung and how much money they spend on advertising with in

01:08:16   my perception the goal of becoming a cool company they want to be cool and

01:08:21   And, you know, they do the kind of the snarky ads and they have a whole like, there's clearly

01:08:26   a plan here in action.

01:08:29   And I think there is a benefit to that word "coolness."

01:08:33   Maybe that's not even the right word anymore because I'm old.

01:08:37   But Apple's had that for a long time and I think one of the ways they maintain that is

01:08:41   things like this.

01:08:43   And I suspect they fully are aware of that.

01:08:46   Yeah.

01:08:47   Yeah.

01:08:48   I mean, do you think it keeps them connected to younger people?

01:08:54   It does with my kids.

01:08:57   I found myself not listening to Beats 1 very much recently, which is a shame for me.

01:09:03   I've been using Apple Music a lot, and I like using, I like the service, I continue to really

01:09:08   enjoy using it.

01:09:10   But I'm not as interested in, I'm just finding myself not in a scenario where I'm listening

01:09:16   to Beats 1 as much as I was initially and I wonder if that's the same for other people.

01:09:20   I mean I see people in my timeline talking about it all the time but I know that at least

01:09:25   the initial interest that I had in it seems to have maybe tailed off a little bit.

01:09:31   Well that's interesting coming from you because I know how eager you were for it to get launched

01:09:35   and you were already a fan of Zane Lowe.

01:09:39   Yeah I'm thinking that if they can really push this replay stuff a bit more that they're

01:09:44   doing because at the moment it's a little bit ghettoed. I think I would

01:09:46   enjoy that a lot more. It's the planning my life around when certain things are

01:09:51   happening is difficult because I tend to be you know not able to listen to music

01:09:57   for multiple hours of my day because I'm either recording or I'm editing or doing

01:10:01   something. So at the moment they've been doing this thing called Beats 1

01:10:04   replays and it seems like they're trying to make this more of a thing where they

01:10:08   just turn a Beats 1 show into like an on-demand podcast and you just

01:10:12   listen to it start to finish and I think that if they can if they can make that

01:10:17   more of a feature than it currently is I would be way more inclined to listen to

01:10:22   the shows it's just because you know I'm not necessarily gonna be interested in

01:10:27   the show that's available at the time that I can actually listen you know

01:10:31   right I mean the the the idea of Beats 1 being a radio station as far as like we

01:10:37   play this one time and it's gone forever right it's the way that the radio works

01:10:40   it's sort of silly in the world where like you guys could just release this

01:10:44   again like you could have it on demand for anyone to check out at any time so I

01:10:49   think ultimately they will get there it just it makes so much sense to me of

01:10:53   like why not leverage all this technology you have like yes like do it

01:10:57   do it live and this hour is a unique hour of programming but then make it a

01:11:02   playlist make it available later for people like you Myke who who can't who

01:11:07   can't get to it. You know, Terrestrial Radio gets around this a little bit by,

01:11:11   well, complained about this, right? Like you listen to your local rock station, it's

01:11:15   like the same set just over and over and there's not a lot of variation and with

01:11:20   Beats 1 they're bringing all these people in, they want it to be varied, why

01:11:25   not capture that and have it available for later? It seems like a really simple

01:11:30   and like enticing way to keep people engaged who have the scheduling problem

01:11:36   that you have. Yeah so I'm looking I've done a little bit of the replay stuff I

01:11:40   listened to one of Dr. Trey's shows a couple of days ago so you know they're

01:11:45   kind of at the moment you just go to this page and they're just all listed

01:11:48   there like the UI is all kind of messed up because you can see and I think it's

01:11:53   kind of cool like whoever's working on these teams that they seem to be very

01:11:57   much like in a hacky kind of way you know like they're just doing stuff like

01:12:02   over at the Apple Music Teams and they're like okay we'll try this now and

01:12:05   they're kind of like oh we have to work within these parameters let's just see

01:12:08   if we can get it out there which kind of sounded like you know on the day one

01:12:11   what Zane was saying he was like you know we weren't even sure if we were

01:12:14   gonna be able to do this but we managed it and we kind of pulled it out of the

01:12:18   bag at the last minute and I'm interested to see if the the replays get

01:12:21   more of a feature apparently there was a saw this go by the other day that Zane

01:12:25   was saying that within the next few weeks or so they're gonna be able to

01:12:28   make this more of a thing so who knows what's gonna happen maybe it comes as

01:12:32   part of iOS 9 or something they they update a little more which is an issue

01:12:36   right that they have to wait for big releases to be able to do anything with

01:12:39   the music app they can't just update the music app it has to be we're updating

01:12:44   the entire OS and with that comes some changes to music yeah but I think that's fair

01:12:50   all right I think unless anybody's got anything else I think that about wraps up

01:12:54   today yeah thanks for having me on guys I'm a big fan of the show we love you

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01:13:49   And I just want to say a massive thank you to every single one of you listening.

01:13:53   Connected is kind of like a, it's a show that's fun

01:13:58   because me and Steven are both on it,

01:14:00   so it feels like an important part of Relay, right?

01:14:02   It's the show that we do together.

01:14:03   So I've always felt of this show

01:14:05   as being like really tied to it,

01:14:07   and I think we both make more of a thing

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01:14:11   to talk about it on this show.

01:14:13   So I just wanna take a moment to thank everybody

01:14:17   who has helped us get to where we are,

01:14:19   whether you're a listener or whether you've helped

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01:14:23   every person that we've ever had,

01:14:25   has given us any advice, has really helped us get

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01:14:29   and I'm very, very thankful for that.

01:14:32   So I wanna thank everybody out there,

01:14:33   and of course more than anybody,

01:14:35   I wanna thank Stephen Hackett for being along with me

01:14:38   and us doing this together.

01:14:39   It's a pleasure to work with you every day.

01:14:41   - Hey, you too.

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