52: Random Pressure Lottery


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00:00:06   From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 52.

00:00:11   Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,

00:00:13   Build It Beautiful, Hover, Simplified Domain Management, and Fracture.

00:00:18   Photos printed in vivid color directly on glass.

00:00:21   My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25   Hey Myke.

00:00:26   How you doing?

00:00:27   I'm good.

00:00:29   and Mr. Federico Vitticci.

00:00:31   >> Hey, guys.

00:00:32   >> Hey, Federico. Welcome back.

00:00:34   >> Thank you. I missed you.

00:00:36   I missed Steven's sweet southern accent last week.

00:00:41   >> Whoa. What about me?

00:00:43   >> Well, you are kind of, you know.

00:00:45   >> You are hit or miss.

00:00:47   >> I kind of missed you. No, I'm joking.

00:00:50   I missed you too, Myke.

00:00:52   It's just that Steven has the voice of an adult, whereas you're more like,

00:00:56   You know when you watch like a TV show and you can tell it's not an American TV show?

00:01:01   That's kind of what you are.

00:01:03   Wow.

00:01:04   Like you know those TV shows on MTV, they come from the UK.

00:01:08   I'm just kidding, I don't know why I say that. I love you too Myke. It's good to be back.

00:01:13   Thanks.

00:01:15   Are you upset?

00:01:16   I'm not upset, no. Not completely.

00:01:19   Not completely. I wonder what it will take me for me to upset you completely.

00:01:24   Are you even capable of being completely upset? I don't know if people in the UK can be completely upset.

00:01:30   Well, whether people in the UK can or can't, I am very capable of being completely upset.

00:01:36   There are a few people who have managed to do it, but those people, they know about it.

00:01:44   And they're all dead.

00:01:45   So I'm back this week, but I'll miss you guys next week.

00:01:50   But I'll be on vacation. I'll be thinking of you and sending you pictures and

00:01:55   Instagrams of the sweet sweet food that I will get to eat during my vacation.

00:02:00   I feel like I'm missing out on Italian summers here because you just got

00:02:05   back from vacation and you're going on another vacation.

00:02:08   Well the thing about Italians and the summer is that we have a culture for going to the beach from

00:02:17   from June to after the 15th of August.

00:02:21   Really, this is really ingrained in our culture.

00:02:26   Italians need to go to the beach as often as possible.

00:02:31   And since I was a kid, basically our school system is structured in a way that

00:02:36   school ends around the 10th or usually like the 12th of June

00:02:41   and resumes basically in the first week of September.

00:02:46   And in those three months we got to do nothing.

00:02:49   I don't know if it's the same in other countries, that's the way that it works in Italy.

00:02:53   So in those three months when you're a kid, you're on vacation for three months.

00:02:57   And you're given like summer homework, that kind of stuff, you gotta read the book, but

00:03:03   nobody really ever does that.

00:03:06   So I never did my homework for the summer.

00:03:10   Because my parents had beach house I would go there for three months.

00:03:14   And in general Italians, every single weekend of the summer, if they are close to the beach,

00:03:21   and by close I mean like an hour, maybe a couple of hours, they tend to go there because

00:03:25   it's what you do in the summer.

00:03:26   And especially in the month of August, from the first day to the 15th, which is a national

00:03:33   holiday here, every Italian goes on vacation really.

00:03:39   And the recession has been especially problematic for us, of course, in the past few years.

00:03:46   But even during the economic recession, we tried to at least go on one vacation, one

00:03:53   real vacation.

00:03:54   So I'm lucky enough to have the beach house.

00:03:57   But when I was younger, my parents and I, we would go on two or three vacations because

00:04:01   in Italy, economically speaking, we were in a really good spot.

00:04:06   These days, most Italians, I would say, if they can afford to, they go on a single vacation,

00:04:13   maybe just like a couple of days, but especially for the 15th of August, either you go to the

00:04:18   beach or you go on vacation.

00:04:21   And I guess, a great thing of being in Italy is that unless you live in the northern part

00:04:28   of Italy, the beach is always pretty close.

00:04:32   So it's great being here.

00:04:36   And the food is fantastic and the beach is awesome.

00:04:39   It's always been a problem for me actually working from home, carrying my work around.

00:04:46   Thanks to the iPad I can be anywhere I want.

00:04:48   I just cannot record the shows because I cannot use the microphone with the iPad.

00:04:53   Please don't send us feedback about that.

00:04:55   I like that you're on this train now.

00:04:58   We should do some follow up.

00:05:00   What kind of train?

00:05:01   The idea of you also won't record on the iPad.

00:05:05   Oh yes, yes that's um, well maybe with the iPad Pro you know.

00:05:10   - Could record on a new MacBook.

00:05:12   Follow up, we've been speaking about watchOS 2,

00:05:20   we spoke last week about my watch review

00:05:23   and the fact that apps are slow

00:05:25   and that perhaps is coloring at least my impressions

00:05:28   and maybe the impressions of others

00:05:30   of what their party apps could be.

00:05:31   And we asked, you know, the question of who is telling

00:05:34   people that watch OS 2 will be faster.

00:05:36   And according to Chris on Twitter,

00:05:39   Apple retail is telling people

00:05:41   that watch the OS 2 will be faster.

00:05:43   I have not experienced this firsthand,

00:05:46   but I could see that if people are complaining

00:05:48   at the Genius Bar or to an Apple Store employee,

00:05:50   they would say, "Hey, you know,

00:05:51   "it's gonna be better real soon, hang in there."

00:05:54   It's a new dawn is coming, if you will.

00:06:00   - This feels like a maverick Apple Store employee

00:06:04   rather than company policy.

00:06:06   - I had that thought as well.

00:06:08   Generally, at least in my experience,

00:06:12   you weren't supposed to really discuss future releases,

00:06:15   even for a period, even if it was on Apple's website.

00:06:19   It's like, well, it's not in the store,

00:06:21   I can't show it to you.

00:06:22   So I don't know.

00:06:24   I think that, but then I think, you know,

00:06:27   Apple is a different company than it was eight years ago

00:06:29   and is more open and more conversational

00:06:34   in nature than it used to be.

00:06:36   So maybe this is going on.

00:06:38   I did not get a chance to ask my retail birdies

00:06:41   if there was anything official about this.

00:06:42   But it does lead to some questions I have about WatchOS 2.

00:06:47   You guys are both running iOS 9 on your phones, correct?

00:06:54   - Yes. - Yes.

00:06:56   - Does it, is there any sort of like,

00:06:59   at this point at least any sort of alert or notification saying hey you can update your

00:07:02   watch or is it treated as a very separate thing?

00:07:05   The installation process for watchOS 2 on the beta is

00:07:10   I wouldn't say hell

00:07:11   but like

00:07:12   what's between

00:07:14   earth and hell that's what watchOS 2

00:07:17   installation developer thing is

00:07:19   it's very annoying basically there's no problem there's no dialogue you just get

00:07:23   like a refreshed

00:07:25   Apple Watch app that's got a bunch more settings like there's a complications

00:07:30   setting, there's a bunch of new options but otherwise you wouldn't be able to

00:07:34   tell

00:07:35   that it requires a different version of watchOS.

00:07:38   To install watchOS you need to go to the developer

00:07:41   website, log into the device management portal,

00:07:46   you need to enter the unique identifier of your Apple Watch which

00:07:50   to find you need to download a better version of Xcode,

00:07:54   connect your iPhone and you'll get the the the paired information of the paired Apple

00:08:00   Watch then you will get the identifier paste it into the website then you need to download

00:08:05   a certificate that you need to install on your phone by mailing the certificate to yourself

00:08:11   and tap it on the mail app.

00:08:14   No, I'm not done.

00:08:17   Then you will install this certificate which won't install the beta on your watch.

00:08:24   But this file will simply tell the Apple Watch app on iOS 9 that you can download the WatchOS

00:08:31   2 beta on your device.

00:08:33   So you go to the Apple Watch app settings, you do the software update, you find the WatchOS

00:08:38   2 Developer Seed, you download it, you wait for it to install on your Apple Watch, which

00:08:43   takes about an hour, then the Apple Watch reboots and you're on WatchOS 2 beta.

00:08:48   And you gotta do this, the certificate thing, every time there's a new WatchOS beta seed.

00:08:54   you cannot downgrade to a previous version of watchOS.

00:08:57   So if you do something wrong or if your Apple watch breaks,

00:09:01   you need to literally mail the phone to Apple,

00:09:04   which will send you back a version running watchOS one.

00:09:08   Hopefully the final process will be a little smoother.

00:09:13   - The reason I laugh like that, right,

00:09:15   is because up until the point where you said

00:09:19   about emailing a certificate to yourself,

00:09:22   emailing a link to yourself,

00:09:23   that's very similar to how you used to have to install the iOS betas.

00:09:28   Right?

00:09:29   Well, it's still that way if you have the developer builds, you still have to give them

00:09:32   your UUID, because I've got it on my iPad, not the public beta, but the developer builds.

00:09:39   So that process is the same, at least on that side of things.

00:09:46   Little bit.

00:09:47   I don't know, because I didn't do that with my iPad Air, too.

00:09:50   I just went into iTunes.

00:09:51   You run the public betas?

00:09:52   Nope.

00:09:53   the oh wait mmm no Myke is a developer. I'm on the developer beta. At some point you at

00:10:01   some point it you tied your ID to your at least to your Apple ID maybe that's

00:10:06   more automatic now I put mine in manually and it worked but um hopefully

00:10:10   that'll be better I mean I think when iOS 9 ships I just I wonder how they

00:10:16   will place watch OS 2 if it'll be you saw iOS 9 then you get notification

00:10:20   saying hey there's a watch update as well or surely it won't be automatically

00:10:23   done but I kind of wonder what that process will be like for people but yeah

00:10:28   yeah I feel like they'll just get a badge on the Apple watch app like you

00:10:34   get a badge on the settings app when there's a new software update. I'm really

00:10:39   liking watchOS 2 personally so I'm kind of excited to get betas from

00:10:44   developers because I still haven't tried any third-party complication I only

00:10:48   have like two betas of watchOS 2 apps, they're really faster actually so Apple

00:10:54   retail if it's true they're right it is faster but I still want to try the

00:10:59   complications stuff the time travel feature but yeah I'm excited.

00:11:03   Cool we spoke last week about my pair of Next stations so there's a follow-up

00:11:13   photo in the show notes of it sitting underneath my 27 inch display and I got

00:11:18   a couple emails people asking where the next station was so I've also included a

00:11:22   link to Wikipedia it was the first hardware built by Next the company that

00:11:27   Apple or Steve Jobs founded that for leaving Apple and it's um it's actually

00:11:32   a pretty pretty cool machine it's it's black it's it's none more black the

00:11:38   inside I took the top off of it and everything is as neat and orderly as you

00:11:43   can imagine like as clean as Steve Jobs is one a computer on the inside this

00:11:48   thing is is everything is in straight lines and it's very clean it's actually

00:11:52   very impressive for being as old as it is so that's now here on my desk you can

00:11:56   see a picture that if you visit the show notes which could be found where

00:12:00   Federico they can be found at relay.fm that's the website / connected which is

00:12:10   the name of the show / and then you gotta you gotta use on you know numbers

00:12:15   5 and 2 which would be 52 which is the number of the episode.

00:12:21   I recently discovered why numbers are shaped like numbers.

00:12:28   There was a photo on Twitter showing how, you know, these are called like Arabic numbers,

00:12:35   the ones that we use.

00:12:37   And basically it's like if you look at the shapes of the numbers, the number of angles

00:12:45   in its shape is the number.

00:12:48   So like the shape of the five as five angles, the shape of the seven as seven possible angles

00:12:56   was super fascinating to discover, you know?

00:12:59   But yes, 52.

00:13:01   That's the episode.

00:13:04   And finally, we want to draw attention to a relay blog post.

00:13:09   Myke, do you want to explain what we're going to be doing next week?

00:13:12   Yep, so next week on the 18th, which is next Tuesday, will be Relay FM's one year anniversary.

00:13:21   So to mark that, after this show broadcasts live next week, so around 1.15pm Eastern Time,

00:13:30   me and Steven are going to be doing a live Q&A session where we're going to talk about

00:13:36   Relay FM, what it's meant to us, and answer a bunch of questions that people are submitting.

00:13:41   This will be available via our B-Sides feed, I'll put a link in the show notes to both

00:13:46   of these things so you'll be able to get to them both so you can find out when to listen

00:13:52   live and then also to listen on demand.

00:13:56   We are asking for questions about Relay and related things via the use of the hashtag

00:14:03   #RelayQA and if you could do that, that would be awesome so we can have some questions from

00:14:09   you guys that we're gonna address as the owners of this lovely company on our

00:14:14   little stream that we're gonna do next week to kind of commemorate the fact

00:14:19   that we are one year old. I think the first time we did this was in the first

00:14:22   week and then this is the second time.

00:14:26   Cool.

00:14:28   Do you know how they say that like a dog ear

00:14:32   corresponds to like seven human ears?

00:14:35   Yeah.

00:14:35   What does a relay ear correspond to?

00:14:38   One human year.

00:14:40   That's too bad.

00:14:44   I'm sorry.

00:14:45   I kind of wanted to imagine Relay as a cute puppy.

00:14:48   Well, you can still do that.

00:14:50   No.

00:14:52   Your view on ears is very much pragmatic, Myke.

00:15:00   I'm sorry.

00:15:01   I can respect that.

00:15:03   Oh, good. I'm pleased.

00:15:05   Well also, like one year is the same as seven dog years, one real year is the same as seven

00:15:10   dog years, so it's kind of similar in that regard.

00:15:12   Hmm, okay.

00:15:14   Okay.

00:15:17   I'm gonna take a break here.

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00:17:54   Sweet. So up first today we have a rumor about Force Touch coming to the next

00:18:01   iPhone which of course we talked about and everyone has been talking about a

00:18:05   good bit since its debut on the watch and the MacBook Pro earlier this year.

00:18:09   But 9to5Mac has a new report out yesterday saying that it is coming to the next

00:18:14   phone and what's interesting about this is the report gives some some use cases

00:18:21   of things like context-aware information in maps or shortcuts into applications.

00:18:28   I think the example given is if I force touch on the phone icon I could jump

00:18:32   straight to visual voicemail which are my favorites. I want to see what you guys

00:18:36   thought about this, you know, adding another literally another

00:18:40   dimension, another layer of UI on top of iOS and kind of see what y'all

00:18:46   think this could mean? I have many thoughts about this. I mean, on the watch, at least based on my

00:18:56   personal experience, it is very nice to be able to first touch and perform shortcuts or get a

00:19:02   different view. I just worry whether such feature would be too hidden to most people on iOS. As much

00:19:11   as other features that are supposedly time-saving or shortcuts like extensions or like widgets,

00:19:18   whether they can be easily discovered by people.

00:19:23   This is my primary concern being it's a very nice integration, it's a very nice technology

00:19:29   and it makes you save time, only most people don't care about it enough to remember it.

00:19:37   It could also be that I'm comparing the kind of geeky feature like extensions or like widgets

00:19:46   to something that could be more appealing to consumers.

00:19:50   And looking at the report from 9to5Mac, the idea of like first touching an app icon on

00:19:58   the home screen to get to a specific view of the app kind of plays well together with

00:20:03   the idea of deep links and getting to specific views of an app that's a central theme of

00:20:09   iOS 9.

00:20:10   So it wouldn't be too surprising.

00:20:11   I wonder if that kind of feature would be customizable by the user.

00:20:15   So if you will let me say, "Okay, when I first touch the Maps icon, I want to get directions

00:20:19   to go home."

00:20:20   Or, "Maybe I want to get directions to this other place."

00:20:24   Or if I first touch the Calendar icon, I want to see what's coming up today.

00:20:29   Or maybe another user would say, "I want to open this family calendar."

00:20:33   So I wonder if it's going to be configurable from a user's perspective.

00:20:39   The other concern that I have is a physical one because the watch, you just turn your

00:20:45   wrist and it's a really small screen and you can just press the finger in the middle of

00:20:50   the display literally anywhere and you get the force touch menu.

00:20:55   But the iPhone, and especially the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 Plus are two big screens.

00:21:00   So I wonder, you know this kind of first touch functionality, what happens when you need

00:21:06   to first touch on a part of the display that's really out of reach?

00:21:11   You really need to use two hands.

00:21:14   I mean most people need to use two hands but I'm just struggling to imagine like what happens

00:21:19   if I first touch on the 6 Plus and it falls out of my hand because I press too strongly

00:21:24   and because the 6 Plus is too big it just slips away.

00:21:27   I mean people are having issues with the slippery edges of the iPhone 6 and the 6 Plus as it

00:21:34   is. Imagine another dimension with a feature that, according to Mark Gurman, can make a

00:21:41   menu appear anywhere on screen. So it's not like the Apple Watch where you force touch

00:21:46   and the same menu in the same position comes up every time. Here it's more similar to a

00:21:53   a right click on a desktop computer, depending on when you force touch you get a different

00:21:58   output.

00:21:59   So it'll be interesting to see on a big phone the physics of the feature and how users can

00:22:06   interact with it.

00:22:09   I'm also concerned about is it going to be a developer feature, is it going to be just

00:22:14   for Apple apps initially.

00:22:16   If history is of any indication that'll be a developer API because when Apple introduced

00:22:22   First Touch on OS X, they had a developer seed with the first

00:22:26   First Touch APIs right away.

00:22:28   So it wouldn't be surprising to see developers being able to

00:22:31   program their apps with First Touch shortcuts.

00:22:35   It sounds great in theory.

00:22:38   I'm just curious and maybe a little bit concerned when it

00:22:44   comes to the flexibility from a software perspective and the

00:22:47   practicality when it comes to holding the iPhone and also

00:22:50   performing the force touch. When I was imagining the feature, I thought it'll be

00:22:55   nice when I'm holding the device with one hand if force touch only

00:23:00   happens across the bottom of the display. So I can use my thumb to force touch and

00:23:04   it feels more natural. But in thinking about it in that way, it

00:23:09   doesn't make sense to only have force touch on the lower end of the

00:23:14   screen. So it'll be a full screen thing. I'm just curious to see how it will work in practice.

00:23:18   practice. I have some concerns about the idea of Force Touch on iOS. One of the

00:23:27   main ones being that I think it will add a layer of complexity to UI which isn't

00:23:35   currently there and may cause problems for as many things as it will be useful.

00:23:40   So Force Touch and the idea of hiding a menu behind Force Touch was created for

00:23:47   the Apple Watch because there isn't enough screen reader state to have all

00:23:51   the buttons that you may need, right? So they created force touch as a way to

00:23:56   give you access to some buttons and functions. And it's already confusing

00:24:02   enough on the Apple Watch because it's not apparent where the buttons are, right?

00:24:09   So you just like will hold down and hope that maybe what you're looking for is

00:24:13   hidden away under the Force Touch menu. And I feel my fear feeling would be and

00:24:19   my concern is that there will now be things hidden under a menu that you

00:24:25   don't know right so like the on the iPhone there'll be like all this

00:24:29   dysfunction that you want is hidden behind a force touch that you need to do

00:24:32   on this certain area of the display. My other my other concern is that it will

00:24:40   be like an excuse to hide things away or to add in features that you may

00:24:48   otherwise not consider. So like you may find developers chuck in a bunch of

00:24:53   stuff into their apps because they can hide it behind false touch, you know like

00:24:57   a bunch of different features that they would otherwise not do because they

00:25:00   would need to add a piece of... they'd need to add a button, right? So to stop the

00:25:05   clutter of their application there they wouldn't add it but now they may just

00:25:09   just put it behind false touch and I'm concerned that it's gonna become like a

00:25:12   junk drawer of stuff that you can hide away that and I think both of those

00:25:17   things they're both like complexity coming from a different angle but that

00:25:21   is my concern that there's gonna be functionality you can't find and that

00:25:25   when you do use false touch there's gonna be a bunch of stuff in there that

00:25:29   otherwise would have been left out for the sake of not trying to make an app

00:25:33   too complex. You saw a lot of that on Android with the the menu button so the

00:25:38   It's been downplayed a lot over the years,

00:25:41   but like back earlier versus Android,

00:25:46   you had many phones that had a hardware mini button

00:25:48   and developers would have access to that

00:25:50   and they would put a lot of things behind that.

00:25:54   So say that you were in a Twitter client or an RSS app,

00:25:59   things like mark all as read or favorite or reply

00:26:02   or retweet would be not visible as bits of UI as buttons,

00:26:06   but be behind this menu button.

00:26:08   So you had to have knowledge that,

00:26:12   oh, I don't see this, it must be tucked

00:26:15   behind this single interaction.

00:26:17   And I think to y'all's, to both your points,

00:26:20   that is confusing.

00:26:21   Just a couple of days ago really,

00:26:24   talking to somebody who had a watch

00:26:26   and she was complaining that she had to

00:26:29   remove her notifications one at a time.

00:26:30   I was like, oh, well just force touch, you can clear all.

00:26:32   And she was like, she's like, what?

00:26:34   I was like, you know, she didn't even think to try it.

00:26:38   And on the watch, I think force touch is pretty obvious,

00:26:43   maybe more obvious than it will be

00:26:44   on something like the phone,

00:26:45   because, you know, with the watch,

00:26:49   you get that instant, like, feedback,

00:26:51   like you're pushing through the screen

00:26:53   and it taps you on the backside on your wrist.

00:26:55   And it's a very one-to-one type thing.

00:26:58   And what I told my friend was like, you should,

00:27:02   like, when in doubt, try to force touch,

00:27:04   because it's very much a hit or miss thing.

00:27:09   Sometimes apps use it more than others

00:27:12   and not even all of Apple's apps support it really

00:27:16   in the same way and I really worry that on the phone

00:27:20   that's gonna be a lot worse

00:27:21   and be potentially more confusing

00:27:24   and people are gonna be like,

00:27:26   "Well, this Twitter app is bogus, I can't retweet."

00:27:28   Well, that's because it's behind a Force Touch.

00:27:32   And so I think that's problematic,

00:27:36   and I think it was problematic on Android for a long time.

00:27:38   I think what is more,

00:27:39   I don't know if it's more problematic

00:27:42   or makes it potentially better,

00:27:43   is that if you are a developer

00:27:46   and you rely on something being behind a Force Touch

00:27:50   that is not visible otherwise,

00:27:53   well, that is only gonna be available to you

00:27:55   on the newest phones.

00:27:57   So we might have this period of time

00:27:59   where Force Touch really isn't used very heavily

00:28:03   or it's used for extremely secondary type things.

00:28:06   And then, you know, maybe in five years

00:28:09   when you could say, well, you know,

00:28:10   basically all the iPhones out there support this,

00:28:13   you know, maybe this isn't an immediate problem.

00:28:15   Maybe it's a problem down the road,

00:28:17   which I think is sort of an interesting way to look at it.

00:28:21   It being tied to hardware means that you can't rely

00:28:25   on all of your users having it, at least at this point.

00:28:28   I wonder if the problem of developers kind of using Force Touch as an excuse to hide

00:28:37   menus and options that would usually be accessed through buttons in the interface would be

00:28:43   fixable by having accessibility settings.

00:28:47   Because the entire Force Touch idea has, I think, huge accessibility implications.

00:28:55   And I wonder if for some users it will be preferable not to have Force Touch.

00:29:01   Users with motor impairments and other reasons why they cannot apply pressure on a screen.

00:29:08   I wonder if saying with an accessibility setting screen, saying never enable Force Touch shortcuts

00:29:16   for me, would basically offer developers an API to say, okay, you can either use Force

00:29:22   touch or you can use a regular button that you see in the UI, you can tap normally.

00:29:27   Also it seems like a lot of people are saying that force and even we are saying that force

00:29:36   touch is going to be another dimension of software on the iPhone and presumably the

00:29:42   iPad.

00:29:43   And I remember when Siri was announced for the iPhone 4S, all of us, we said, well, of

00:29:52   course, voice control is the next layer, the next dimension of iOS.

00:29:57   And Siri came out four years ago and it's a very nice addition to the iPhone and the

00:30:05   iPad and it's one of the primary ways that we interact with the Apple Watch.

00:30:10   But it still hasn't become a possible replacement for touch.

00:30:15   It's an option.

00:30:17   But I wouldn't say it's a complete new dimension.

00:30:20   Now I wonder, we're gonna say that when Force Touch comes to the iPhone and the iPad, we're

00:30:25   gonna say again, this is a new layer, this is a new dimension.

00:30:29   And I wonder if this will be more true for Force Touch than it has been for Siri.

00:30:35   Because the job that Siri needs to accomplish is very complex.

00:30:42   Natural language, third party app integration, network conditions, that's really a complex

00:30:50   problem.

00:30:51   Force touch, it's just physical input.

00:30:55   And I wonder if four to five years from now, we will see the introduction of force touch

00:31:01   as truly the next dimension of the devices that we use.

00:31:05   an iPhone that doesn't have a home button and just uses Force Touch for physical input

00:31:11   and pressure on the screen.

00:31:12   And I wonder if the implications long term for Force Touch will be more easily appreciated

00:31:19   than, you know, Siri and voice input.

00:31:23   I think there are a bunch of differences though, like backwards and forwards for this.

00:31:30   Force Touch and Siri are different because Siri is like a it's like another

00:31:37   part of the phone it didn't add to the existing apps or experiences that we use

00:31:43   in the same kind of way as it does on the watch right because on the watch it

00:31:49   replaces just flat-out replaces the main input method so it's kind of nothing you

00:31:54   can do other than use it but like Siri it was like an Apple feature instead as

00:32:00   an Apple feature like developers can't really do anything with it it's not

00:32:03   really an interaction method on the phone that is in the same kind of way as

00:32:08   false touch but false touch is like it's it's something that will most likely be

00:32:16   for developers it is addition to existing apps rather than like a

00:32:19   separate thing am I making sense mm-hmm yeah so I think it will be different in

00:32:25   that kind of regard and I think I don't know if like false touch is gonna be

00:32:31   groundbreaking really like I'm kind of a little bit like I guess they're kind of

00:32:36   just doing it because then it will be on all the product lines it's like a

00:32:40   marketing thing like like how they create retina displays for everything

00:32:44   even though it's all very different device to device I think it would be

00:32:48   pretty important on the on the iPad but for a different reason though that's

00:32:53   - For different reasons, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:32:55   And like I'm thinking about iOS 9 and on the iPad,

00:32:58   you know, there's a rumor of an Apple Pen

00:33:01   coming to the iPad, so a stylus that uses pressure.

00:33:04   So that's one thing for sure.

00:33:06   I mean, pressure, sensitivity with a stylus,

00:33:08   that's very important and Force Touch could enable that.

00:33:11   But also when you consider some iOS 9 features

00:33:14   coming to the iPad, like there's a split view multitasking

00:33:17   and you cannot do drag and drop

00:33:19   between two apps in split view.

00:33:21   And I wonder if Force Touch could be really a new dimension in that regard, that it lets

00:33:26   you operate, you know, different, you know, literally grab data with your hand and push

00:33:33   it to another part of the screen, giving you feedback in the process.

00:33:36   So on the iPad, I guess it could have, this is just a theory, it could have some pretty

00:33:42   big implications.

00:33:44   Short term on the iPhone, I don't know, I don't know, because it seems like a nice shortcut,

00:33:50   But will it be groundbreaking from the get-go on the iPhone?

00:33:54   I don't know.

00:33:56   Also going back to mentioning about the iPad again, I think this is where the marketing

00:34:02   stuff kind of gets a bit confusing.

00:34:05   Because they'll be kind of calling a bunch of different types of technologies "forced

00:34:11   touch".

00:34:12   And that's where things get a bit weird, right?

00:34:13   So force touch on the laptops is different to force touch on the watch.

00:34:21   They're actually kind of different technology, they do different things.

00:34:26   Because on the laptops it judges pressure and then gives you the tap back as opposed

00:34:33   to whatever it's doing.

00:34:34   On the watch where it's kind of doing some different stuff but it's just like that one

00:34:38   dimensional you press this you get a button and then whatever it will be on the phones

00:34:42   is one thing but then force touch on a new big iPad that has a pen will be what they're

00:34:48   calling it but it's going to be underlined in different technology because let's say

00:34:52   for example they call force touch on the 12 inch iPad they call it force touch and force

00:34:59   touch allows you to use a pen. You won't be able to take that pen and use it on other

00:35:03   devices like it won't be force touch as a thing that will allow you to do that because

00:35:09   from my understanding of this sort of stuff is it will require a different digitizer to

00:35:15   allow for the sensitivity of the pen but also for there to be the ability for the pen to

00:35:21   be red.

00:35:22   Like for there to be more pixels for it to be red on or however that works.

00:35:25   I'm talking very general because I don't fully understand it.

00:35:28   But if they call that force touch it's not going to be the same kind of force touch if

00:35:32   what they're doing is changing the digitizer so there's more like pixel pressure and there's

00:35:38   more pixels to be able to be read by the digitizer if that's enhanced.

00:35:44   I'm running circles around myself a little bit just as a way to try and explain that

00:35:48   I think that they will be different because the pen won't work everywhere.

00:35:52   The pen will work on that iPad that they've increased the sensitivity in but it won't

00:35:57   be the same force touch as they may be on the iPad Air if that doesn't have a pen or

00:36:01   that will be on the iPhone or that will be on the MacBook or that will be on the watch.

00:36:06   be branding it up differently like how the retina display they call many different devices

00:36:11   retina exactly even though it's all completely different pixel I was exactly about to say

00:36:18   that so like it's it's like it but this but the thing with the retina display is you just

00:36:23   know retina display means good display yeah but but force touch will be the same thing

00:36:31   but it will actually be doing different things in different places yeah it'll mean pressure

00:36:35   it'll mean feedback, you know, that kind of stuff,

00:36:39   I guess they're going for, I don't know.

00:36:41   - It's messy, but like you guys say with the

00:36:43   random display and there's other examples as well,

00:36:45   where Apple reuses names and the idea of it being,

00:36:49   hey you, the general idea of you apply pressure

00:36:54   to the interface, whether the interface be a trackpad

00:36:56   or a piece of glass or a watch, and you get more UI.

00:37:01   I mean, I think in broad terms, I think it works.

00:37:04   It is it is interesting. You know that the pen stuff. I'm not

00:37:08   I'm not sold on them if they do if they do a truly

00:37:12   pressure sensitive with like, you know lots of pressure layers

00:37:17   I don't know if they would call that force touch or not

00:37:20   But it you know, I do think that the iPad Pro stuff which is it sort of tacked on into the end of this article

00:37:26   I actually missed it cuz I just skimmed this the first time I read it and people were like

00:37:29   Oh, they mentions the big iPad in the pen

00:37:32   see two big iPads

00:37:34   Kind of like it was folded in there, so it seems like we are on track to see

00:37:39   You know maybe force touch and pin input whatever that would look like this fall from

00:37:45   from the iPad line so it

00:37:49   Overall it's I think was most interesting to me

00:37:52   Beyond the details of this is that iOS is becoming

00:37:56   More complex it is becoming more

00:38:00   potentially much more powerful in certain ways, especially with the pen stuff that's going to open up a

00:38:06   whole new world of possibilities for a certain type of user.

00:38:10   So that's all really exciting because iOS is

00:38:13   I mean more or less the same sort of user interface the same sort of user interaction that's always been.

00:38:20   And they've added stuff to the you know to the button right so you have like reachability and you have Siri and

00:38:25   That sort of stuff but they're kind of out of out of things to do with that home button. And so they know moving

00:38:33   Force touch to the phone and the iPad seems like a logical extension of of what they've already done

00:38:38   They just want to make one last point which and I've given this time, you know, we're months in now

00:38:47   But I just don't like jamming my finger into a display. I find force touch uncomfortable on the watch

00:38:54   I don't think it feels very nice to use and I don't like the idea of using it everywhere

00:38:59   Just because of the way it feels it may bring you to utility

00:39:02   I don't know if I'm alone in this but I think it's a very uncomfortable

00:39:06   Gesture like to just jam my finger into a display that doesn't move like it doesn't feel like anything's moving to me

00:39:14   It would be better if the interface moved really like if you'll be more organic

00:39:21   You know what I'm saying? Like you press and you see like little ripples around the UI, that kind of stuff.

00:39:27   It feels very static at the moment. Like you just jam your finger, there's menu.

00:39:32   I don't mean like feels as in like from a UI perspective.

00:39:35   I just physically don't like the way it feels on my finger.

00:39:39   Oh, okay.

00:39:40   No, no, I think I'm good from that point of view.

00:39:44   Yeah, I just don't like it. It's just kind of uncomfortable.

00:39:47   Like you just... because as well like there isn't... because it's not a button there and and it's like

00:39:52   sensitivity and pressure there isn't like an "you must press this much"

00:39:57   Right? Like sometimes I feel like I'm doing what I need to do, but it's not working

00:40:02   But it's because I haven't pushed the amount that you need to push, but I think I have but I haven't

00:40:09   So it's really like a random pressure lottery. Which is how it feels. I mean, obviously that's not the case

00:40:15   Like it's I'm sure it's hard coded in a lot of math to make that happen

00:40:18   But to my brain it's like you must push that you know, you know how much you need to push

00:40:24   which is why like I can't get and I've never been able to get the

00:40:28   On the the force touch track pads whenever I've tried one out

00:40:32   I've never been able to get that to work for me properly like this multi level of pressure that people talk about

00:40:38   Being able to do I've never been able to get it to work

00:40:41   Like I can't seem to control it like the idea of like you can slow it down and speed it up

00:40:46   I've never been able to do that a way to test it is you gotta be really careful

00:40:50   But you can force touch on the on the watch face and if if you change your pressure

00:40:57   Constantly, it's very subtle

00:40:59   But if you try to you can see the watch face kind of receding in the background and then coming forwards as you

00:41:05   Change the pressure level. Yeah, I just tried that you can control that

00:41:10   But like I'm struggling to do that multiple times in a row.

00:41:13   Yeah, it is difficult.

00:41:14   Yeah.

00:41:15   But yeah, I can see that.

00:41:17   You can kind of make it go in and kind of wait.

00:41:20   Exactly.

00:41:21   Like you got to press just slightly harder than you would normally press the screen.

00:41:26   And then if you really jam your finger, you get the haptic feedback and the module or

00:41:31   whatever watch face you see, the setting screen for the watch face.

00:41:34   In a few years time, nobody's going to be able to feel things as we've all crushed the

00:41:38   nerve endings in our fingertips. We're gonna rewrite the DNA of our pieces for

00:41:44   first touch. Oh man it'll be it'll be interesting and I you know I think that

00:41:54   what is most likely to happen in my mind is that Apple will do it in their apps

00:41:58   and maybe some like iOS 9 only apps may do it but again until this is more

00:42:04   widely available in the iPhone user base that it's going to be limited at first

00:42:09   just based on you know the number of things that are out there and and what

00:42:14   makes sense you know I think I think the other thing to remember here is you know

00:42:17   Apple's has done a lot of new things in iOS and OS X over the years that you

00:42:24   know developers try and then you know some it works for some apps or for some

00:42:28   developers but doesn't work for others so you know things aren't as as widely

00:42:31   spread as they may seem I think extensions are a good example of this

00:42:35   where extensions make a lot of sense for certain types of apps and I think that a

00:42:40   lot of other apps that they don't make sense to you just don't see them you know

00:42:43   for those and so I kind of have faith that at least good third party developers

00:42:49   will know what to do and it will sort of level out into a thing that makes sense

00:42:53   but there's always gonna be those edge cases that it's like what are you doing

00:42:57   with us why you know why is your retweet button behind a force touch but I keep

00:43:02   using Twitter apps as if they're going to continue to exist but that's fine

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00:46:07   So let's talk, we're gonna ask Federico some questions about his iOS 9 review in

00:46:14   a moment but I wanted to just talk a little bit about the difference of the

00:46:21   beta on the iPad and the iPhone so far as I've just installed it on my iPhone

00:46:25   and then we can talk a little bit about Federico's current experiences with

00:46:29   writing his iOS 9 review. Is that fair guys? Yes. So one of the first

00:46:37   things I want to mention is I've had the the beta on my phone for about a week

00:46:41   and I'm not gonna say it my phone is starting to run really hot and that is

00:46:48   I'm worried about it I'm really scared. You didn't do the clean install? No, did not.

00:46:53   Okay. Did not do a clean install and I can't fully pin down what scenarios this

00:47:00   is happening in but sometimes my phone just runs really hot like too hot to

00:47:06   touch kind of hot. Which is... It's fine. It's interesting. I think it might be

00:47:14   audio related because I think my battery life has been fine but I also think that

00:47:21   when I am listening to podcasts and stuff like that or listening to music

00:47:28   the battery runs down quickly and it would make sense if those two things are

00:47:31   related that it's running hot and the battery's draining right so maybe it's

00:47:37   an audio thing right now in in this in beta 9 beta 9

00:47:42   Are you streaming music or audio to a Bluetooth speaker or headphones?

00:47:49   Nope.

00:47:49   So through the speaker of the iPhone?

00:47:52   Yes.

00:47:52   Okay.

00:47:54   I mean my 6+ will get warm doing audio just and I'm running iOS 8.4 but

00:48:01   definitely not too hot to touch not so hot that it could I could cook breakfast

00:48:05   on the back of it I'm not cooking on it but it's like I can feel the heat with

00:48:09   my case on and then I take the case off and it hurts

00:48:14   don't listen to music as you fall asleep burn down that's a good idea how I do

00:48:23   so I get what you're asking though about I'm not running it on my phone yet as I

00:48:29   said but in looking at iOS 9 and spending a lot of time with it on my iPad Air 2

00:48:34   which I really really like what they're doing there, iOS 9 feels very

00:48:40   much like an iPad release and so does it feel all that new and all that like

00:48:46   fancy on the iPhone? So for me I mean I think that Federico is more likely to

00:48:52   feel different because for his review he's I assume pushing iOS 9 to its

00:48:58   limits on both devices where I'm just kind of using it like I would have used my phone before.

00:49:04   Right. And for me, uh, the beta, basically iOS 9 feels smaller on the iPhone than it does on

00:49:14   the iPad. Like many of the enhancements feel like small jumps like maps, ads, transit, which is great,

00:49:21   but it's massive. Like it's not like they've redefined the game, they've added transit.

00:49:27   I've actually found whilst there are some good things about Google's transit stuff and

00:49:34   Apple's transit stuff, they miss things from each other.

00:49:37   So like Google Maps doesn't have the great exit and entrance marking that the Apple Maps

00:49:45   transit stuff does.

00:49:46   So like marking where entrances to train stations are is really, really useful because sometimes

00:49:52   it will just, well on Google Maps, it just plunks the pin down in the middle of the station

00:49:57   where when they're underground that is completely unhelpful

00:50:00   because it doesn't show me where I need to go in

00:50:02   and it actually can make a difference,

00:50:03   if anything just for annoyance.

00:50:06   But what I've found is that Google Maps

00:50:08   has a greater understanding and support

00:50:12   for the accurate up-to-date train information

00:50:16   where Apple Maps, basically there was a disturbance

00:50:20   on a train line that I was using this weekend

00:50:24   where it was facing severe delays

00:50:27   and actually wasn't running at a certain point

00:50:29   and Google Maps saw that and Apple Maps didn't see that

00:50:33   and it reported on it later in the day when I checked again

00:50:36   but that information I need to know immediately.

00:50:39   Like if I'm looking and it's happening now,

00:50:43   I need to know that that's the case

00:50:44   because that is a difference in the route

00:50:46   that I'm gonna take.

00:50:47   And if I would have got to the train station

00:50:49   and having looked at Apple Maps

00:50:51   and not knowing that was gonna happen,

00:50:52   that is annoying to me where Google Maps shows that stuff immediately which is

00:50:56   you know extremely useful. I also find that the Apple Maps still has some other

00:51:02   ways to go in a bit more like up to the minute when is the next train leaving

00:51:07   type of stuff which is really useful for Google Maps so I'm still trying them

00:51:10   both out I'm like using them in in parallel to see what it's like there.

00:51:15   The revised search page is fine I am finding myself using the recently used

00:51:22   app stuff sometimes when I pull down to do a spotlight search a lot of the times

00:51:26   the app that I want is in there which you know again that's one of the other

00:51:30   big features I haven't seen use out of any of the assistant stuff after a week

00:51:36   maybe it still needs more time but none of that has I'm not seeing any like

00:51:43   travel reminder like travel alerts that are useful you're not gonna get travel reminders

00:51:48   reminders there. I'm sorry, Myke.

00:51:51   >> I thought that it comes up in Siri to tell you that,

00:51:53   oh, your next thing, or where am I supposed to see that then?

00:51:56   Where am I going to get those alerts?

00:51:58   >> You do get the calendar alerts

00:52:01   for the time to leave notifications.

00:52:05   >> Yeah, I haven't had any time to leave notifications yet.

00:52:07   >> You got, basically the problem there is that

00:52:11   if you create an event with a location, with an address,

00:52:14   you gotta manually set the alert

00:52:17   as a time to leave alert in the calendar.

00:52:19   - I never do that.

00:52:21   Yeah, that's not very helpful, assistant.

00:52:23   - Yeah, and even if you do,

00:52:25   I've been trying all my location-based events

00:52:28   with the time to leave notifications.

00:52:30   They are super early for me.

00:52:33   Like I can be there in 10 minutes,

00:52:35   I get a notification like 40 minutes before,

00:52:38   which is not really useful.

00:52:39   According to Apple, it's looking at traffic information,

00:52:41   it's looking at your location.

00:52:43   So either it gets my location wrong or it gets traffic in Rome completely wrong, but

00:52:49   they have been firing off super early for me, which is not exactly helpful.

00:52:54   But otherwise, if you get like, I use Gmail and I've been using Google now as a comparison.

00:53:03   When I have like hotel receipts in my email, Google is able to parse on its own what I'm

00:53:10   going to do.

00:53:11   it knows I'm going to be in the Amalfi Coast and it's showing me the weather, it's showing

00:53:15   me the hotel reservation, it's showing me the hotel location and other information about

00:53:20   the opening hours, it knows just by looking at an email.

00:53:25   Whereas the search page of iOS 9 configured with the same email account in the Apple Mail

00:53:32   app, it knows nothing.

00:53:33   So either it doesn't want to know or it's not capable of knowing, I don't know.

00:53:38   But again, I open Google now, I see that kind of stuff.

00:53:42   Just based on my email, I open the iOS 9 intelligence page, I see nothing about that.

00:53:49   Potentially, that's a problem.

00:53:51   But maybe, I don't know, maybe people don't care.

00:53:54   I care.

00:53:55   It is nice in Google.

00:53:57   It's very nice in Google, but it doesn't seem as clever as Google.

00:54:01   So some of the other stuff, like San Francisco is the biggest change for me.

00:54:07   The font makes everything look new and I love it and I want all my apps to have it.

00:54:14   I am embracing the keyboard.

00:54:17   I am not making any of the changes.

00:54:20   I don't have the popover on anymore.

00:54:23   Like I'm embracing all of that and I like it.

00:54:27   So real quickly if people haven't used it, what is new about the keyboard in iOS 9?

00:54:31   So one of the big things is that it doesn't, when you tap a character it doesn't pop up

00:54:37   with the preview of the character anymore

00:54:41   in that magnification way to show you what you've hit.

00:54:45   I just trust that the iPhone knows what I'm hitting

00:54:48   and it does.

00:54:49   There's also shift key stuff which confuses me,

00:54:53   like the changes, 'cause there have been some more changes

00:54:55   that I still don't fully understand,

00:54:56   but my favorite thing is it's the key caps.

00:54:59   So I now know when shift is enabled

00:55:03   because it's lowercase or uppercase characters.

00:55:06   And I like that, I think the lowercase character keyboard looks nice.

00:55:09   And many people hate it with a passion.

00:55:12   But I like it, I like it a lot.

00:55:15   I don't know, it feels like one of those designer dogmas.

00:55:19   Whereas people hate on this feature on principle, because the iOS keyboard and the Mac keyboard

00:55:25   has always been uppercase, therefore it should remain uppercase for eternity.

00:55:30   I don't agree, it's very practical. You hit the shift key and it's lowercase or maybe it's uppercase.

00:55:37   You just see what's going on, you know? And it feels more natural. I mean it's a software keyboard.

00:55:43   One of the advantages is to be able to change the keyboard via software.

00:55:47   But a lot of people are super upset about this.

00:55:51   Yep.

00:55:52   I think the biggest thing for me here though is that there are enhancements

00:55:59   but there's nothing groundbreaking like there was for iOS 8 like extensions

00:56:03   like it doesn't feel to me here like there's anything big i'm hearing Federico saying the

00:56:11   big stuff is it's the ipad that's where the groundbreaking stuff is um the split views

00:56:18   the picture in picture like this is where the really big leaps are and i'm kind of okay with

00:56:23   with the fact that it's an iPad release.

00:56:27   Like I'm fine with it, but it's just not the pace

00:56:30   that we've seen year over year.

00:56:33   And this may be an enhancement year

00:56:34   and this may be the first time that we get a TikTok

00:56:37   and this is how it's gonna be now, also fine with,

00:56:40   but just basing it upon the history that we've had,

00:56:43   it's different.

00:56:45   And if in five years time,

00:56:47   we look back at this as being the first year

00:56:49   where they did, you know, just enhancements

00:56:52   and then big changes, I'm fine with it, but I'm just saying comparing it to the last seven

00:56:58   releases it's very different.

00:57:02   In a lot of ways, and especially on the iPhone, I agree with you by the way, it feels like

00:57:10   this year we get the calm before the storm that I assume iOS 10 is going to be.

00:57:16   Because the features that we're getting on the iPhone, like the improved Notes app, the

00:57:21   new font, the low power mode, the improved statistics for battery consumption, the general

00:57:31   polish across apps and new settings, it feels like they're sort of wrapping up work that

00:57:38   began last year with iOS 8 before whatever's coming up next with iOS 10, which I assume

00:57:44   is going to be a pretty big change.

00:57:47   And while on the iPad you could see the more groundbreaking stuff with the multitasking,

00:57:55   on the iPhone it's a bunch of nice features that are not exactly revolutionary.

00:57:59   They're potentially going to be massive changes if the intelligent stuff pans out like Apple

00:58:05   wants to, or all these other features for improved performance with apps being capable

00:58:14   of consuming energy in a different way, and the developer features of being able to release

00:58:20   apps on the App Store just to specific devices with bitcode and other kind of stuff.

00:58:26   On the iPhone it feels like a collection of nice changes and much necessary fixes and

00:58:33   improvements and on the iPad it's more okay we really need to rethink this device and

00:58:39   I agree with that but I wonder like people like us we were in love with you know like

00:58:48   San Francisco and this typographic changes I wonder if most people will ever actually

00:58:54   notice the different font.

00:58:57   There's so many details in San Francisco and I try to cover them in what I'm writing, but

00:59:03   I fear, maybe not fear, I just worry that maybe those changes won't be as appreciated

00:59:11   by most people as we appreciate them.

00:59:15   Which is fine, because typography is a very niche market I guess.

00:59:20   What matters I think for San Francisco is that it contributes to the bottom line of

00:59:24   readability and better layouts for developers and apps and more readable text.

00:59:31   If it accomplishes that goal that even if people don't notice, even if they subconsciously

00:59:36   notice the improvements, I guess that's okay.

00:59:42   So we should probably, Steve, unless you have anything else, we should probably start, we

00:59:46   should probably move into talking about the review in a little bit more depth.

00:59:51   Works for me.

00:59:53   Okay, let me just take a break first and then we've got a clear runway to talk about Federica's

00:59:58   current status on his iOS and I Review.

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01:03:52   So Federico, how is the review going? How far into it are you at this point?

01:03:56   I think I'm approaching 50% of the sections that I want to cover. I'm leaving on Thursday morning

01:04:08   and I set a goal for myself to leave with the iPad section, which is probably the biggest

01:04:15   of the review being done by Wednesday night.

01:04:19   I'm not sure if I'll manage to finish by tomorrow night

01:04:24   because there are still quite a few things that I want to cover

01:04:27   and I split the final part of the iPad section

01:04:30   in three mini sections which I think will

01:04:33   wrap up the discussion on iPad nicely but I'm not sure

01:04:37   because I'm finishing the actual

01:04:41   features like talking about the actual changes on the iPad today with the keyboard talk for software and hardware.

01:04:51   And then it's these final sections split up in three sub-sections. I'm not sure if I'll manage to finish tonight and tomorrow.

01:05:01   I tried to cover beforehand the big stuff.

01:05:09   So I've already done design, I've already done notes and I'm gonna be done soon with iPad.

01:05:16   And the reason I did this is I wanna come back from vacation.

01:05:21   I'm pretty sure I won't write anything on vacation.

01:05:24   Because I need a time off.

01:05:28   But maybe, maybe if I can be inspired enough,

01:05:33   couple of hours each night before bed,

01:05:35   maybe I can get to write a few sentences here and there.

01:05:40   But otherwise I wanna come back from vacation

01:05:42   and have like a solid 10 days to wrap up all the rest.

01:05:47   And I left the smaller changes, the smaller features for,

01:05:52   and of course the conclusion for the end of August

01:05:56   and the first week of September.

01:05:58   I want to be done with the text and the images and everything by September 9, which is when

01:06:04   Apple is rumored to have an event.

01:06:06   I don't think iOS 9 will be released on the day of the event, but you never know, so I

01:06:10   want to be ready.

01:06:12   And I saved the other things like Safari changes and like reminders, podcasts, iCloud Drive,

01:06:23   these other minor features or additions or changes to the OS for after the vacation.

01:06:31   So I want to leave and have the most important things done.

01:06:37   And I struggled to get started on the iPad section because I really wanted to find an

01:06:45   angle that I could work on to develop the entire story of the iPad.

01:06:54   And once I was done with that last week, I kind of just followed everything from there.

01:07:00   I'm still using my mind map to organize all the outline of the review and every time I

01:07:07   go through a topic and it's done, I close the branch of the mind map so I know that

01:07:13   I'm done with it. I'm still making a note of every problem that I mentioned that it's

01:07:20   still not fixed in beta 5. I created a checklist of problems and issues that I need to double

01:07:27   check before publishing the review in September. I don't know if that will be a beta 6 or if

01:07:32   it goes straight up to GM, but I have a list of problems that I need to basically check

01:07:37   again if there are still problems or not.

01:07:42   As I write, I always forget things, like little details of stuff that I need to mention in

01:07:51   the review.

01:07:52   For example, I forgot to have a paragraph about FaceTime support in Picture-in-Picture

01:07:59   on the iPad, because I only covered video.

01:08:03   And today I was getting started to write about the hardware keyboard on the iPad and I was

01:08:12   like "oh yeah, I forgot about FaceTime in the picture-in-picture because it's also an

01:08:17   option."

01:08:18   So I went to the editorial, I went to the picture-in-picture section and I just wrote

01:08:24   a sentence about FaceTime.

01:08:26   I didn't write the actual paragraph.

01:08:28   So I know when I will be done with the review, what I'm going to do is I'm going to write

01:08:35   all these small paragraphs and sections that I missed before the first proofreading session.

01:08:47   The reason why I don't want to go back to each section now is I want to be done with

01:08:53   the main text first.

01:08:56   I can do the smaller things that I forgot and then I can start reading and adding links

01:09:01   and footnotes.

01:09:04   The problem, this is the current state.

01:09:08   I'm almost done with the iPad section and I'm trying to save the conclusion of course

01:09:15   as the final thing that I write.

01:09:18   Although I still have an idea of the style that I want to use for the conclusion.

01:09:25   And then I'm trying to save all these other app updates and changes and of course the

01:09:29   performance section for the final beta or if you don't get a beta for really the last

01:09:37   available moment so I can evaluate performance and over time better.

01:09:43   The problem is I don't want to spoil the word count but it's starting to, Myke knows how

01:09:54   much it is right now. But it's starting to be quite a lot. And I'm already approaching

01:10:06   the point where it is longer than the longest article that I ever published on Mac Stories.

01:10:15   And I'm wondering if for the first time in six years of Mac Stories I should split up

01:10:23   the review in multiple pages.

01:10:26   The reason that I'm thinking about this is not for the page views.

01:10:29   I don't necessarily care about the possible increase in page views.

01:10:34   The problem that I came across with editorial two years ago was the review was so long,

01:10:40   with so many images, so many videos, that it caused issues for a lot of people who couldn't

01:10:46   open the review in their browsers because the browsers were crashing, because the webpage

01:10:51   was too heavy.

01:10:53   In thinking about this problem nowadays, our website is much lighter and it's responsive

01:10:58   and it's a better reading experience and browsers and mobile devices are more powerful today

01:11:03   than two years ago.

01:11:04   But there's a problem.

01:11:06   It's going to be way longer than the editorial review and it's going to have more images,

01:11:11   it's going to have animated GIFs, it's going to have videos, there's going to be a lot

01:11:15   of resources on the webpage itself.

01:11:19   And I'm thinking, if this is only on a single page, what happens if somebody tries to read

01:11:26   this review on a mobile network, on 3G or 4G?

01:11:30   Do I really want that person to consume all that data on a single page?

01:11:35   And most importantly, is that single webpage gonna offer reasonable performance when scrolling

01:11:40   around, when jumping from section to section, when opening footnotes and going back to the

01:11:45   body text?

01:11:47   My primary concern is that such a long piece of text and multimedia is going to be problematic

01:11:54   on a single page.

01:11:55   And if my reader is not able to have a good experience in reading a single page, then

01:12:04   a single page shouldn't be the default presentation of the review.

01:12:08   Which is why I'm thinking of going the Syracuse way and splitting the review in relevant pages,

01:12:15   not necessarily by word count but by section. So where it makes sense to split up the reviewing

01:12:21   pages, offer an option to read in a single page because of course that's the right thing

01:12:26   to do. But otherwise, just split up the review so it's easier to read, it's easier to follow,

01:12:33   it doesn't consume as much mobile data or wifi, whatever it is that you gotta keep an

01:12:37   eye on, as you normally would on a single page and be extremely upfront about the reason

01:12:44   why it's available on multiple pages rather than a single page by default.

01:12:48   So I want to make the default the multiple pages and I want to make the single page an

01:12:52   option.

01:12:53   In my opinion this isn't even a question, that's just what you should do.

01:12:59   The benefits are so clear, I don't know why you would go backwards and forwards on it.

01:13:07   It just makes sense, it just makes sense.

01:13:09   editorial was it crashed Chrome on my phone like that that it was crazy like

01:13:18   it was just really tough and considering that I mean you know you said you didn't

01:13:22   want to get the work out away you said that you're halfway through and this is

01:13:27   already approaching the size of the biggest article ever published to your

01:13:31   site so people can infer what that might look like and I know that you're halfway

01:13:39   through the topics, not necessarily halfway through the words, right?

01:13:42   Yes.

01:13:43   So it could be less, it could be more even.

01:13:46   I think that it just makes sense.

01:13:48   Give people the button to click it and crash their web browser if they want to.

01:13:53   But I think that this has to be split into sections.

01:13:57   Because plus as a reader, for me anyway, I find it nicer because I'm able to accomplish

01:14:02   this in stages.

01:14:05   It gives you a sense of place, really.

01:14:08   Because at a certain point I can't judge how much more I have to go because my scroll bar

01:14:13   just becomes, you can't make it any smaller.

01:14:18   So like the little button, the little tic tac in the scroll bar, whatever that's supposed

01:14:21   to be called, that's just going to stop getting small.

01:14:26   So it's just going to become impossible for me to understand how much I have left to go

01:14:31   here.

01:14:32   I always appreciate, as somebody that doesn't like to read extremely long things, just in

01:14:37   general I always really appreciated that with John's reviews that they were

01:14:41   broken up into sections like that because plus I could jump bits I didn't

01:14:45   want to read really easily like just stuff that just wasn't relevant to me.

01:14:49   It also makes it easier to link back to something in the future so like I've

01:14:54   written about OS X and I refer to something that John wrote in one section

01:14:58   and I can link a user directly to a page that's the most relevant to what I'm

01:15:03   trying to get across and so there's a lot of benefits I think you should definitely

01:15:08   paginate it.

01:15:09   I do know you guys a couple years ago when you guys were doing an OS X review had a PDF

01:15:16   for sale.

01:15:17   Do you see anything like that going on with your iOS 9 review?

01:15:22   That was a heavy sign.

01:15:25   something again that Myke knows that I'm doing this year and that is definitely

01:15:34   an idea. What does Myke get to know about your secrets and not me? Because Myke, no because I

01:15:41   feel like when I'm telling you stuff it needs to be finalized otherwise you're

01:15:47   the adult and you will be upset if it doesn't pan out as it's supposed to work.

01:15:52   Whereas Myke is more of a youngster and he's open to crazy ideas and stuff.

01:15:58   Whereas more, I fear your judgment in a way, in a good way, Steven.

01:16:04   You know, like I tell you when I'm, no, I'm just kidding. I just happened to tell Myke.

01:16:10   But I'm pretty sure I actually told you. But anyway, there's like, it's an idea.

01:16:17   Let me just say that it's an idea, a PDF and an EPUB version.

01:16:22   I don't know how much...

01:16:25   If I finish the review, the entire proofreading and the screenshots and the GIFs and the videos,

01:16:33   if I'm done two days ahead of the public release, will I have time to handle the PDF and EPUB conversion?

01:16:41   I don't know. Can it come later as an option for some readers? Maybe. So that's something we're considering.

01:16:50   What I'm struggling with, that I kind of want to talk to you guys about. As I told you, I'm setting goals for myself.

01:17:02   like today I want to write this section and then I want to be done with this

01:17:07   other section by Wednesday, you know, that kind of progress and I'm really

01:17:13   struggling to not to feel bad about missing those deadlines that I made up

01:17:22   for myself because maybe I'm writing a section and I realized that I want to

01:17:28   that I want to say less or I want to say more,

01:17:31   and then the goal that I originally set in my mind

01:17:35   completely goes away because maybe I'm late

01:17:39   or maybe I'm done super early with this section.

01:17:42   And especially considering going on vacation

01:17:46   and the fact that in the summer I'm not supposed to work

01:17:52   as much as I work in the fall and the winter,

01:17:55   I kind of, on multiple occasions I feel bad. I don't know if it makes sense.

01:18:01   And I wanted to ask if you guys have a system to kind of organize goals,

01:18:09   but also to be flexible with those goals and to kind of reset them as you're completing the task

01:18:16   or working on the task.

01:18:17   I expect Steven will have a more logical answer than me because my answer and feeling about this stuff

01:18:25   is I think you have to feel bad.

01:18:27   Like I don't, that's just, to me it is like no other way

01:18:31   to do it because if that doesn't make you feel bad

01:18:34   then you won't feel bad if you just don't do the work.

01:18:37   Right, like if you're feeling bad even when you've done

01:18:41   more work, right, but you've just done different work,

01:18:44   that is frustrating but I think that it is a necessary

01:18:49   outcome of feeling bad at all.

01:18:51   Like it's just something that you have to accept

01:18:55   that you're gonna feel bad if you didn't meet

01:18:57   your established goal for the day,

01:18:59   but yet you have done work that is still useful.

01:19:03   I mean, I have declined a scenario.

01:19:05   I'm able to feel a little bit better

01:19:07   when I know at least I've been useful in some way.

01:19:10   Like I've done something which has been of use,

01:19:12   but I still feel bad if I haven't marked all the things off

01:19:16   in a day that I wanted to get done in a day.

01:19:18   But I think that really, just feel bad about it,

01:19:23   but understand that the reason you feel bad about it

01:19:25   is because you care.

01:19:27   Because if you stop feeling bad about it,

01:19:29   then maybe you won't be able to get it done at all.

01:19:33   It's just a necessary thing about caring.

01:19:37   That's how I look at it.

01:19:39   - Thank you, Myke.

01:19:42   - No, I think that's a really fair way of looking at it,

01:19:45   Myke and I definitely resonate with a lot of that. The only thing I would I would

01:19:49   add and not so much for my time as like an independent person because it's only been a

01:19:53   week but my previous life being a project manager you on any sort of big

01:20:00   project you have sort of known quantities of things so you know how

01:20:04   many hours a day that you can reasonably work you know that Apple is gonna have

01:20:10   an event September night so you have a rough idea of when that deadline is and

01:20:13   And then you have all the things that are wildcards of,

01:20:18   you know, you have these technical questions to answer.

01:20:21   You have, hey, you know, there could really be

01:20:24   a drastic change at some point in this.

01:20:26   It could be that, you know, I wrote this thing

01:20:29   and then like you said, I forgot this section

01:20:30   or I didn't outline properly,

01:20:32   so I got to go back and rework something.

01:20:34   So for me, it's just trying to get out ahead

01:20:37   of all those contingencies and having an understanding

01:20:43   of what you can control and you know things that are sort of like almost in

01:20:48   your control what you can do to rein those in and it sounds like you're doing

01:20:52   that like you have a goal of hey I plan on having the iPad section done before I

01:20:55   leave well if you don't have it done it's probably not the end of the world

01:21:00   right you still have time that you already said that's the biggest section

01:21:04   and so I think it's just a matter of finding what you can do in a reasonable

01:21:10   in a reasonable way to try to limit surprises.

01:21:15   And whatever that looks like in writing,

01:21:17   I was not in reviews obviously different

01:21:19   than doing other types of work.

01:21:21   But I think the sort of the concept is the same

01:21:22   of what can I really handle and make sure it goes my way?

01:21:27   And how do I prepare for the things that I can't?

01:21:31   I think that's a pretty, it's worked well for me in the past

01:21:35   at a normal job and I think it will hopefully continue

01:21:38   to serve me well now.

01:21:40   And hopefully you.

01:21:41   - Thank you, Stephen.

01:21:43   Another thing that I struggle with,

01:21:45   and then I think I found a solution for,

01:21:48   is collecting screenshots during the betas.

01:21:52   So, since the first beta by S9 in June,

01:21:56   I've been taking screenshots every day

01:21:58   of every single feature or detail or problem that I notice.

01:22:02   And I take the screenshot

01:22:03   and I left it there in the Photos app.

01:22:07   And around the time of Beta 4, I was thinking maybe it is time for me to start organizing

01:22:15   these screenshots because maybe I'll have to use them or maybe I'll have to mention

01:22:20   a feature that's been changed during the course of the Beta.

01:22:24   And I was thinking, should I use iCloud Drive?

01:22:26   Should I use Dropbox?

01:22:28   Should I use one of those dedicated screenshot management apps on the iPhone and iPad?

01:22:34   And the more I thought about this problem, the more I realized I was creating a problem

01:22:39   for myself.

01:22:41   So I just created an album in the Photos app and every time I take a screenshot that is

01:22:48   relevant to the review, I just drop it there so it's synced and available across all of

01:22:53   my devices and I don't have to install a different app and wait for the app to sync because Photos

01:23:00   has been really fast in my experience.

01:23:03   The only problem is I would like to be able to move photos from the all photos screen,

01:23:16   like the main view of the photos app, and to just move them into a folder.

01:23:21   Basically I want to hide those photos from the main view, those screenshots actually.

01:23:26   So whenever I'm browsing the photos app I don't want to see the screenshots of iOS 9.

01:23:31   now instead they show up in two places. They show up in the photos view which is the main

01:23:36   screen and they also show up in the album. So like every time I browse my photos and

01:23:41   screenshots I see them in two places and it's kind of confusing and I guess the problem

01:23:46   could be fixed by using a separate app to manage the screenshots but I really don't

01:23:50   want to. The other and the final really, the final,

01:23:57   a problem initially but now I've accepted that it's just the way that I am.

01:24:03   Because I'm taking this more, I would say, complete maybe, approach to the review this

01:24:11   year.

01:24:12   I never really wrote a review of iOS before, it was always like a personal reflection on

01:24:19   iOS.

01:24:20   It tended to be a fairly in-depth and complete look at the new version of iOS, but it was

01:24:28   never labeled or treated as review.

01:24:31   Instead, this year I'm taking the iOS review approach and I go through all the changes

01:24:37   that I can personally experience.

01:24:41   So by that I mean I won't be able to test transit directions because I don't live in

01:24:46   a city where they are available.

01:24:49   But I'm still gonna use all the other features that I can test, even if I'm not gonna use

01:24:53   them every day, such as the podcast app or changes to reminders, that kind of stuff.

01:25:00   But I struggled initially to accept the fact that I'm not gonna be the kind of reviewer

01:25:07   who just describes what's new.

01:25:12   I'm gonna have thoughts in there and I'm gonna have comments.

01:25:17   So I'm not going to describe in super detail what's in multitasking.

01:25:25   I'm not just gonna do that.

01:25:27   I'm gonna do that.

01:25:28   I'm gonna be as objective as possible in describing all the macro changes and all the details

01:25:38   and little known facts.

01:25:40   But I'm also gonna have an opinion on what's going on.

01:25:43   And initially I struggled with this because I was like, I should be an objective reviewer

01:25:48   and I should only describe what's new.

01:25:51   And I should only focus on how the features work, what they do, what they're missing.

01:25:57   But as I was trying to do this, I realized that I was forcing myself into a mindset that's

01:26:03   not really mine, because I'm gonna have an opinion anyway.

01:26:08   Even if I talk about what's missing, that's a personal motivation behind that anyway.

01:26:16   And so the review is going to be a combination of facts and a combination of detail, I hope,

01:26:23   but also opinion and also experience and what it's like to use this, especially because

01:26:28   I should, I guess I should treat the fact that I work from an iPad as an advantage rather

01:26:36   than a personal bias because it is a personal bias.

01:26:40   I mean, I use the iPad every day,

01:26:42   so I'm gonna have an opinion.

01:26:44   But I guess initially I didn't wanna accept this.

01:26:48   Instead now I think I'm lucky in a way

01:26:52   because I get to have an opinion that's been formed

01:26:57   over the past two to three years.

01:27:02   And that's a good thing, I think.

01:27:06   And I hope that it comes across, you know,

01:27:09   that I try to take a look at all the changes

01:27:12   and all the features from an analytical perspective,

01:27:15   but also from a personal perspective.

01:27:17   And I hope, it is my hope that this kind of flow

01:27:21   works in the review.

01:27:23   If it doesn't, at least I tried.

01:27:26   You know?

01:27:29   - You touched on a really interesting thing,

01:27:31   something that I think a good bit about

01:27:33   about the objectivity angle of things.

01:27:36   Right, you go and you listen to people

01:27:39   who have done hardcore traditional journalism

01:27:42   and they say you cannot be subjective,

01:27:45   journalism requires objectivity

01:27:47   so you can tell the actual story.

01:27:50   And I think that's true, but I think that something

01:27:52   like an Iowa Sound review is something different

01:27:54   than objective reporting on an event

01:28:00   or on some sort of news story.

01:28:02   So I think that your balance of explaining the features

01:28:06   and then giving your opinion and your thoughts on them

01:28:11   that, like you said, have been formed

01:28:14   over the last several years of using this

01:28:16   day in and day out to pay your bills.

01:28:18   That your job is only possible because of this technology.

01:28:21   That gives you a unique insight.

01:28:23   And frankly, that unique insight

01:28:24   is why people come to Max Stories.

01:28:26   It's why people are gonna open their view in the first place

01:28:28   because they, hey, Federico's the iPad guy,

01:28:31   and I wanna see what he thinks about this.

01:28:33   So I don't know if I would let,

01:28:35   if I were you, I wouldn't let that keep me up at night

01:28:37   of where that line is of what should be objective

01:28:41   and what shouldn't be,

01:28:42   and because A, you can go crazy trying to figure out

01:28:46   what the right answer is,

01:28:48   'cause I don't think there is a right answer.

01:28:50   But I think too that you're,

01:28:52   in something like a review,

01:28:55   your opinion is what matters the most, right?

01:28:58   So you can say hey, iOS 9 does these 10 new things.

01:29:02   It's really great.

01:29:03   Well then why not just go to Apple's website?

01:29:05   Why not just go read any other website on the planet

01:29:08   that is gonna put a bulleted list of what is new in iOS 9?

01:29:12   What you bring to the table is that unique perspective

01:29:15   and so I think that you should share it

01:29:17   and I'm looking forward to reading it.

01:29:18   I fully anticipate reading this on my iPad.

01:29:22   - Thank you.

01:29:22   - And seeing what you have to say about it

01:29:26   because I value your opinion in this more than anyone else's.

01:29:30   And I think there are a lot of people out there that agree with me on that.

01:29:33   And Federico, I saw you tweeting about this the other day.

01:29:38   This is the first time you've done the entire review on an iPad, right?

01:29:43   Yes.

01:29:44   Like, everything, everything?

01:29:46   Everything.

01:29:47   What was the last Bastion to fall?

01:29:49   There's...

01:29:52   There's nothing in this review coming from a Mac.

01:29:56   But what had been like last year, for example?

01:29:58   Last year, for example,

01:30:00   I did some proofreading on my Mac.

01:30:06   I had to most importantly, I needed to upload images from my MacBook

01:30:13   because I didn't have a workflow for image uploads to our CDN.

01:30:17   And I remember talking about that.

01:30:20   You had several different workflows and they kept breaking.

01:30:22   Yes, and in fact, the workflow that I have on my iPad and the iPhone wouldn't be possible,

01:30:34   but it wouldn't be as easy or as fast or as integrated with the system on OS X as it is

01:30:40   on iOS 8 or 9.

01:30:42   So it's actually better this year.

01:30:46   It went from nothing to better, which is pretty good.

01:30:50   Anything else?

01:30:55   I just want to be done with this.

01:30:58   But once again, I'm trying to enjoy the experience.

01:31:05   I'm trying to enjoy the fact that every time I write, I see the light at the end of the

01:31:10   tunnel.

01:31:13   I'm trying to find the joy in having a story throughout the review.

01:31:23   There's a bunch of themes that I tried to introduce at the beginning of the article.

01:31:30   And I'm having fun developing those threads throughout the story, throughout the review,

01:31:37   And kind of going back to those and kind of mentioning them in multiple sections, trying

01:31:43   these few core themes and ideas.

01:31:48   And it is fun to be able to observe how at least my mind works in connecting those themes

01:31:56   to what's new.

01:31:58   And maybe for some people it'll be another case of, "Oh my God, Federico writes too

01:32:04   much or is too verbose, he explains too much or he finds some kind of technological romanticism

01:32:15   in some things that are just a bunch of zeros and ones.

01:32:20   And that's ok, again people are always free not to read.

01:32:25   But I always go back to the question, do I want to write the website that is about describing

01:32:32   what's new and be done with it and just like you know I'm done I don't care give me the page views

01:32:38   or do I want to understand why people made made something whether it's a device or an app or

01:32:45   no as this way because of such and such reasons that's what I want to do so hopefully it'll work

01:32:52   out even at a at a larger scale this year that's my hope we'll see right now I just want to go on

01:32:59   vacation and take some time off. Well, I hope that you're able to actually relax,

01:33:07   although I'm sure you'll be working as well. Yeah, and I'm just trying to like convince myself,

01:33:12   but I know that I'm going to take notes, or at least take notes or write something like at night,

01:33:20   because I'm very weird when like when I'm inspired and I got this sentence that I really want to

01:33:26   write down, I'm like, "Okay, I just want to write down this sentence and then I'll

01:33:30   take a bunch of notes." And I end up writing like a section. So we'll see.

01:33:39   Cool, I think that about wraps up this week. If you'd like to find our show notes on

01:33:43   the internet you can do that at relay.fm/connected/52. I want to thank

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01:33:53   and Squarespace and we will be back next week. If you want to find us online you can do that.

01:33:58   Federico is @Vitiici and he writes at maxstories.net. Stephen is @ismh on Twitter and

01:34:06   he writes over at 512pixels.net and I am @imike and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.

01:34:15   Arrivederci. Adios.