Connected

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00:00:06 ◼   ► From Real AFM, this is Connected, episode 50.

00:00:10 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Igloo, an internet you'll actually like.

00:00:14 ◼   ► Fracture, photos printed in vivid colour directly on Glass, and Todoist,

00:00:18 ◼   ► the task management app that's with you everywhere.

00:00:21 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, and I have pleasure to be joined by my lovely co-host as I am every single week,

00:00:27 ◼   ► the one and only Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:29 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - And Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Hey Myke, what did you say all those nice things

00:00:36 ◼   ► about Steven and not about me?

00:00:39 ◼   ► - I said my lovely co-hosts.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, you are also of the lovely.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - So I'm also lovely, okay.

00:00:45 ◼   ► - You're very lovely, you're very dear to me Federico.

00:00:47 ◼   ► - Okay, hi Myke.

00:00:47 ◼   ► - Hello Federico. - How are you?

00:00:49 ◼   ► - I am very well, I am very well indeed.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Congratulations everyone, we have made it to episode 50.

00:00:55 ◼   ► So it's the... in terms of wedding anniversaries, this should be the golden something.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Yep, and if you look under your chairs, you will find that I have prepared Apple Watch

00:01:08 ◼   ► editions for you.

00:01:10 ◼   ► Both today.

00:01:11 ◼   ► Steve, I understand that you're at home in Federico.

00:01:14 ◼   ► You're at home, right?

00:01:15 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Okay, great.

00:01:17 ◼   ► I am.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Then if you look just under your chairs, then you'll find them because I put them in those

00:01:20 ◼   ► specific places for you.

00:01:22 ◼   ► I looked under my chair and there's a Roomba. You know one of those vacuum robots?

00:01:26 ◼   ► Uh the Roomba right the addition.

00:01:28 ◼   ► Drow no.

00:01:30 ◼   ► Robot or not man.

00:01:32 ◼   ► It's charging like it's kind of scary there's a light.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Why is it under your chair?

00:01:38 ◼   ► It's under the desk actually I don't know who left it here.

00:01:41 ◼   ► I hope it's not on because...

00:01:43 ◼   ► No there's like a green light and it says clean. I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean.

00:01:50 ◼   ► I think it may be... see that's confusing. Does it need to be cleaned or is it cleaning?

00:01:56 ◼   ► No, I believe it's a button that you need to press when you want to clean.

00:02:00 ◼   ► Should I turn it on?

00:02:03 ◼   ► Yeah, just press it, see what happens.

00:02:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:02:06 ◼   ► The end of the podcast.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Oh my god, it's making sound, it's moving.

00:02:09 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:02:10 ◼   ► Turn it off.

00:02:11 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no.

00:02:12 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:02:15 ◼   ► How do I turn it off?

00:02:16 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:02:18 ◼   ► Oh my god, it's moving again.

00:02:19 ◼   ► I don't know it's making noises.

00:02:22 ◼   ► Alright well we've just got that guy.

00:02:24 ◼   ► The light is orange now and it's beeping and it looks like it's about to assault me.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Just gonna start crawling up your leg.

00:02:32 ◼   ► What do I do?

00:02:33 ◼   ► It's not even mine.

00:02:35 ◼   ► I would just leave it now.

00:02:38 ◼   ► Should I just like throw it out of the window?

00:02:41 ◼   ► Don't know, if it's not yours I wouldn't do that.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Why did you make me do this?

00:02:47 ◼   ► I thought it might be fun to have a roving Roomba reporter.

00:02:51 ◼   ► It's got like little brushes underneath and they move very fast and it looks like a predator.

00:02:58 ◼   ► That's how it does the cleaning.

00:02:59 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:00 ◼   ► Steven, please take us into follow-up.

00:03:03 ◼   ► Let's talk about, well we have follow-out.

00:03:06 ◼   ► Follow way out into space.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I did.

00:03:12 ◼   ► Wow.

00:03:13 ◼   ► - Puerto Rico is growing in the background,

00:03:17 ◼   ► but Jason and I did a space show thing

00:03:22 ◼   ► last, over the weekend.

00:03:24 ◼   ► - Why don't you come think of me about this?

00:03:26 ◼   ► - I can't tell if you're into space or not,

00:03:27 ◼   ► it's hard to tell.

00:03:28 ◼   ► You can go check it out, it's on the B-Sides feed,

00:03:32 ◼   ► which is sort of where we put extras as a network,

00:03:34 ◼   ► episode 12, let us know if you like it.

00:03:37 ◼   ► We would like to maybe do more of these things

00:03:39 ◼   ► in the future, so your feedback would be

00:03:42 ◼   ► welcome to Jason and I. It was a lot of fun to talk about Pluto and stuff.

00:03:47 ◼   ► There'll be a link in this week's show notes. Yes. Where could show notes be found?

00:03:52 ◼   ► In space. Let's ask the Roomba. No, no, I'm not touching that thing again.

00:03:58 ◼   ► Okay relay.fm/connected/50thebig50. Right. So it's the edition

00:04:06 ◼   ► episode today. You bet it is. We decided last week that would be the title I think.

00:04:11 ◼   ► So moving from follow-up to follow-up, we have a tweet from James Woods, period, on Twitter,

00:04:19 ◼   ► asking Myke to follow up on being happy with Apple Music even though you couldn't stream for

00:04:25 ◼   ► six days. And you answered this on Twitter, Myke, but I thought it was an interesting question,

00:04:29 ◼   ► actually one that I wish I'd asked during the show. So how do you reconcile being happy with

00:04:34 ◼   ► something that was broken for a week? So I'll just preface this again, frankly I doesn't remember. I

00:04:39 ◼   ► I was saying that last week that there was some sort of DNS issue or something with Apple

00:04:46 ◼   ► Music which meant that some people in the UK couldn't listen to music on their Mac, they

00:04:51 ◼   ► couldn't stream for a week.

00:04:52 ◼   ► I was just fine with it.

00:04:54 ◼   ► I mean look, at the end of the day, I knew what was happening there, like there was a

00:04:59 ◼   ► systems problem in specific scenarios and my iPhone sits on a dock which is elevated

00:05:06 ◼   ► and I have one of those high rise docks by 12 South,

00:05:09 ◼   ► that's right next to me.

00:05:10 ◼   ► So when I couldn't stream,

00:05:11 ◼   ► because anything that I'd listened to recently

00:05:15 ◼   ► seemed to be playable,

00:05:16 ◼   ► like it was cached in some way,

00:05:18 ◼   ► but it wasn't downloaded.

00:05:19 ◼   ► Like I didn't download anything on the Mac,

00:05:21 ◼   ► so I don't know why it was doing that,

00:05:22 ◼   ► but some things it could play.

00:05:24 ◼   ► But anything that I wanted to stream or whatever,

00:05:26 ◼   ► I could just do it on my iPhone,

00:05:27 ◼   ► and it was just sitting right there.

00:05:29 ◼   ► And to be honest, the quality difference,

00:05:30 ◼   ► like to my ears between my iPhone and the MacBook speakers,

00:05:34 ◼   ► are not massively different.

00:05:36 ◼   ► So I was just able to deal with it that way.

00:05:38 ◼   ► Like if, for example, it's still today

00:05:42 ◼   ► I was having this issue,

00:05:43 ◼   ► it would have been really, really annoying.

00:05:45 ◼   ► But in all honesty, it hit me like maybe four or five times

00:05:48 ◼   ► over the space of a week.

00:05:49 ◼   ► And I maybe listened to,

00:05:51 ◼   ► like I maybe pressed play on Apple Music

00:05:53 ◼   ► like 50 times in that time period.

00:05:55 ◼   ► So it wasn't really that much of an issue.

00:05:58 ◼   ► I get why maybe you would ask the question,

00:06:00 ◼   ► but it wasn't a problem.

00:06:02 ◼   ► - Wow, Myke, I'm so disappointed in you.

00:06:05 ◼   ► I know, I've let everybody down really.

00:06:07 ◼   ► Don't you know that if you buy really good, expensive headphones, the music completely

00:06:12 ◼   ► changes?

00:06:13 ◼   ► Like, you can hear sounds that not even on the strongest of acids you could hear those

00:06:23 ◼   ► sounds.

00:06:24 ◼   ► Like it's day and night difference, yeah.

00:06:26 ◼   ► Like you can hear colors?

00:06:29 ◼   ► You can feel the guitar strings in your head.

00:06:34 ◼   ► very painful sometimes. Well I don't really have much to say to that but... I'm

00:06:40 ◼   ► just gonna move on. Yeah. We have spoken a lot about iCloud Drive as Dropbox

00:06:46 ◼   ► replacement as a backup etc etc and we spoke briefly about versioning something

00:06:51 ◼   ► that Dropbox offers a really nice web interface for versioning so I can go

00:06:56 ◼   ► back and retrieve files I've deleted or files that have been changed and of

00:07:01 ◼   ► course on the Mac time machine offers this the built-in backup utility in OS 10

00:07:06 ◼   ► so I can go and I can pull up a folder or even a document and go back in time

00:07:13 ◼   ► on my local time machine drive and pull old versions of it.

00:07:16 ◼   ► There's some thoughts, we have a tweet in here in the show that's about

00:07:23 ◼   ► documents being versioned in iCloud Drive accessible through the time machine

00:07:31 ◼   ► interface and I got some emails about this too and so I wanted to to clarify a

00:07:36 ◼   ► little bit. Best I can tell

00:07:39 ◼   ► iCloud Drive documents, the documents that are in the iCloud containers and finder

00:07:44 ◼   ► are not versioned by iCloud. If you go to the time machine interface and you go

00:07:49 ◼   ► back in time it is pulling those files from your time machine hard drive. So for

00:07:54 ◼   ► me I have a 3 terabyte hard drive plugged into my Mac, my time machine drive and is

00:07:59 ◼   ► pulling old versions of iCloud documents from there. I tried to recover old iCloud

00:08:07 ◼   ► documents with that drive unplugged. It doesn't work, it gives you an error saying I'm

00:08:10 ◼   ► looking for this volume I need this hard drive attached. So it doesn't seem like

00:08:14 ◼   ► this is a true thing. Looking at Apple's website as well they don't really

00:08:19 ◼   ► mention versioning anywhere in the iCloud Drive stuff and so if versioning is important

00:08:24 ◼   ► to you I would say stick to Dropbox if you want your documents synced in the cloud somewhere.

00:08:30 ◼   ► Dropbox offers a really nice system for that and iCloud doesn't seem to offer really anything.

00:08:38 ◼   ► So there's that.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Dropbox leading the way.

00:08:42 ◼   ► Yeah I'm making a decision this week.

00:08:47 ◼   ► I'm struggling to find a way to properly organize my screenshots for the iOS 9 review.

00:08:55 ◼   ► And right now I have a mess of screenshots in the Photos app.

00:09:01 ◼   ► And I'm thinking, should I make an album in iCloud so it updates all the time on the iPhone,

00:09:08 ◼   ► the iPad and the Mac?

00:09:09 ◼   ► I don't know if it matters but still it'll be there.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Or should I just go the old fashioned way and create a bunch of folders in Dropbox and

00:09:19 ◼   ► every time I know that a screenshot is going to be used I can maybe, I can also organize

00:09:25 ◼   ► folders for like beta 4, beta 5 and each time I take the same screenshot so I can track

00:09:31 ◼   ► changes across different beta versions of iOS 9.

00:09:35 ◼   ► And I think I'm going to go with Dropbox because of the control that it gives me.

00:09:38 ◼   ► I can create folders, subfolders, and right now, iCloud Drive simply isn't an option if I want to do this kind of stuff.

00:09:46 ◼   ► And also, I still don't completely trust it, so I think I'm gonna go with Dropbox.

00:09:53 ◼   ► Actually, I just talked myself into using Dropbox right now, so thank you, Steven and Myke, for letting me talk to myself.

00:10:00 ◼   ► Sometimes the best decisions are the ones that you have to come to on your own.

00:10:04 ◼   ► Yes, especially during follow-up.

00:10:06 ◼   ► - Yep, it's the only real time.

00:10:09 ◼   ► - It's where I make all my big decisions.

00:10:11 ◼   ► There are a couple links in the show notes too

00:10:12 ◼   ► from the chat room,

00:10:14 ◼   ► discussing versioning and Time Machine stuff.

00:10:15 ◼   ► Again, iCloud Drive is nowhere to be found in there.

00:10:17 ◼   ► So it'd be nice if it could do it.

00:10:20 ◼   ► I think the Time Machine interface is an obvious choice

00:10:23 ◼   ► of where to put that stuff, right?

00:10:26 ◼   ► That's where you go now and maybe you can switch

00:10:31 ◼   ► between iCloud and Time Machine or something in the future.

00:10:33 ◼   ► But as for now, I think Dropbox is the way to go

00:10:36 ◼   ► for most people if you need that sort of control.

00:10:38 ◼   ► Federico, I'm with you.

00:10:40 ◼   ► My stuff is in Dropbox.

00:10:41 ◼   ► I have very few things in iCloud Drive.

00:10:43 ◼   ► And most of those are just scratch notes

00:10:48 ◼   ► and that sort of stuff.

00:10:49 ◼   ► We got two more pieces of follow up this week.

00:10:53 ◼   ► The first is about headphones and earphones and running.

00:10:58 ◼   ► I got a lot of email and tweets.

00:10:59 ◼   ► I'm not putting any in the show notes.

00:11:01 ◼   ► Not really gonna address any of it.

00:11:02 ◼   ► Specifically, I have lots of things to look at on Amazon.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Thank you for emailing me in.

00:11:06 ◼   ► I'm not sure what'll work and what won't yet,

00:11:08 ◼   ► but if I find something I like,

00:11:10 ◼   ► I will follow up at that time.

00:11:12 ◼   ► And finally, we come to a very non-tech related

00:11:19 ◼   ► piece of follow up.

00:11:20 ◼   ► - Wait, what is this? - It's really a request.

00:11:22 ◼   ► - Just look at this now.

00:11:24 ◼   ► - So Jamie emailed us, and Federico,

00:11:28 ◼   ► do you want to read this and then maybe--

00:11:30 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:11:31 ◼   ► - Steven's only said this because he's seen words in here

00:11:34 ◼   ► that he knows he can't do. He like bailed out last minute. He's like "uh, Federico,

00:11:38 ◼   ► do you want to read this?" No, Steven, why don't you read this? No, I'm not gonna read

00:11:42 ◼   ► it. Okay, maybe, so Jamie writes, maybe Federico can validate this and give his expert opinion.

00:11:50 ◼   ► Best pizza in Rome is at Pincerio Pincerio on Via Flavia, just next to the Marcella Roya

00:11:57 ◼   ► Hotel and follow that up with ice cream from Gelateria Caruso on Via Colina just around

00:12:03 ◼   ► the corner. I'm in love. Can you just read that again, please?

00:12:08 ◼   ► The best pizza in Rome is at Pincerre - never heard of this before - on Via Flavia, just

00:12:15 ◼   ► next to the Marcella Royal Hotel, and followed it up with ice cream from Gelateria

00:12:20 ◼   ► i Caruso, I believe. Not just Caruso. I Caruso on Via Colina. I like that you put

00:12:26 ◼   ► more Italian in the second go.

00:12:28 ◼   ► I appreciate that.

00:12:30 ◼   ► Yeah, so I don't know.

00:12:33 ◼   ► Never heard of these two places before.

00:12:35 ◼   ► It could be that I'm not huge on going to the center of Rome, because it's super busy

00:12:42 ◼   ► and parking spots are a complete mess, and I also don't like to take the subway during

00:12:50 ◼   ► the evenings, especially in the late evenings in Rome.

00:12:53 ◼   ► So I should drive there, but it's always a problem to find a parking spot.

00:12:59 ◼   ► So I'm not a big expert in, I believe these places are, because it sounds to me like Via

00:13:04 ◼   ► Flavia should be in the center of Rome.

00:13:09 ◼   ► So I'm not sure.

00:13:10 ◼   ► I can ask around Jamie if that's okay.

00:13:15 ◼   ► I have a few friends who are experts about pizza in Rome.

00:13:19 ◼   ► I think I should actually go to the center more.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Because I live in Rome and I never go there.

00:13:24 ◼   ► In two years I've never been to the Coliseum once.

00:13:27 ◼   ► So it's kind of a shame right now.

00:13:29 ◼   ► It's different when it's the place you live, right?

00:13:32 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:13:34 ◼   ► I know.

00:13:36 ◼   ► Like I don't feel the need to go to the center because it's always there.

00:13:42 ◼   ► But at the same time I'm kind of missing out because I don't go there.

00:13:45 ◼   ► It's beautiful.

00:13:47 ◼   ► Maybe Jamie has provided a turning point for you in your life.

00:13:51 ◼   ► Thank you Jamie.

00:13:53 ◼   ► You're making life changes in the follow-up.

00:13:57 ◼   ► I tell you what Federico, I would say that if you visit these places say on a date, be

00:14:04 ◼   ► a very special lady friend, and if you report back in follow-up, I would say that that is

00:14:11 ◼   ► a business expense.

00:14:13 ◼   ► Yes.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Maybe Relay can pay for your date.

00:14:17 ◼   ► My dates can get really expensive.

00:14:18 ◼   ► Well, it's only pizza and ice cream. Don't go crazy. Don't go to the hotel.

00:14:22 ◼   ► No, come on. So, nothing to drink? Well, the hotel is mentioned in the request. And it's

00:14:31 ◼   ► a Royal Hotel. It's a Royal Hotel, so it sounds fancy. I don't know. I'm just saying.

00:14:38 ◼   ► By the way, in terms of pizza types, I really like the real Italian pizza, which is the

00:14:46 ◼   ► pizza from Naples. So that, you know, the slightly tall pizza, not a very thin, you

00:14:53 ◼   ► know, thin kind of pizza. We do have different kinds of pizza in Italy. There's some people

00:14:57 ◼   ► like my parents, they prefer thin pizza. And so thin slice, thin crust. I prefer the taller

00:15:04 ◼   ► one, the one from the Southern Italy from Naples. So that's my kind of preference.

00:15:09 ◼   ► And ice cream, I love ice cream, all kinds of ice cream. So if it's artisanal and I'm

00:15:14 ◼   ► not trolling here because we actually do make the real artisanal highscreen here even better.

00:15:21 ◼   ► I found the hotel website and I just need to point out they used the blink tag so they

00:15:28 ◼   ► have this headline and it's blinking red text to me. It's really not good.

00:15:34 ◼   ► What does it say? Tell me what it says.

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00:19:23 ◼   ► So every time there's a new shared task in Todoist, we also get alerted into the Teams

00:19:27 ◼   ► Slack room, which is awesome, it's crazy, we love it.

00:19:31 ◼   ► And so collaboration filters, and I love the fact that, like you mentioned Myke, there's

00:19:37 ◼   ► a rich ecosystem of third-party apps.

00:19:40 ◼   ► So you can get crazy like I did and you can create your own Python scripts like in Python

00:19:45 ◼   ► Istor or editorial and now there's even a new API so you should be even simpler and

00:19:49 ◼   ► faster to use.

00:19:50 ◼   ► But you can just use third-party apps for Todoist.

00:19:54 ◼   ► So one that I really like is the DoNote app by IFTTT and it basically you create a Todoist

00:20:01 ◼   ► recipe with DoNote, you open the app, it starts in a text box, you start typing, you tap a

00:20:06 ◼   ► button and you save as a task to Todoist.

00:20:08 ◼   ► todoist. It's super awesome. So if you're into, I guess, to-do platforms, not just apps

00:20:16 ◼   ► that you use on your own, but a platform that lets you collaborate with others and connect

00:20:20 ◼   ► to different apps and use an API and have these advanced features like filters and tags

00:20:26 ◼   ► and you can combine all of these things, I really recommend todoist because it's really

00:20:32 ◼   ► different from the usual to-do app for iOS. It's really rich and powerful and it works

00:20:38 ◼   ► everywhere. So it does get my seal of approval. Not just because it's a sponsor, because I

00:20:44 ◼   ► truly love the service and the company.

00:20:47 ◼   ► People can go through the archives, we've spoken about them before, you've written articles

00:20:50 ◼   ► about it before, I'll put that in the show notes as well so people can see even more

00:20:55 ◼   ► about why you love Todoist. Todoist has a community of nearly 5 million users and it

00:21:00 ◼   ► continues to grow like crazy. They are completely self-funded and powered by an almost entirely

00:21:05 ◼   ► you

00:21:23 ◼   ► premium accounts to give away to listeners of this show. So you want to

00:21:27 ◼   ► follow us on Twitter we are @_ConnectedFM and over the next week

00:21:32 ◼   ► I'll be tweeting out some premium codes for you to sign up for your own one year

00:21:38 ◼   ► account courtesy of Todoist. Thank you so much to Todoist for sponsoring this

00:21:43 ◼   ► week's episode of Connected. Right so today I got Apple Pay! Yes because you

00:21:52 ◼   ► You got a shopping problem, so you're the best person to report on Apple Pay.

00:21:56 ◼   ► This is unfair, this is unfair, and I won't stand for it.

00:22:01 ◼   ► So I woke up this morning and thought I would try it out because my bank said that they

00:22:06 ◼   ► were supporting Apple Pay today, and they were.

00:22:08 ◼   ► And the setup was pretty easy, so I just went into the Passbook app or in the Settings app,

00:22:14 ◼   ► there's like the Passbook section, and I just signed in with my Apple ID, put my password

00:22:19 ◼   ► in, and my card was pre-filled for me, right?

00:22:22 ◼   ► the card that I use with my Apple ID I just had to enter the security code then

00:22:28 ◼   ► I don't know if this is the same for everybody but I had to have a

00:22:31 ◼   ► verification code sent to me by email or text message from my bank so I chose to

00:22:37 ◼   ► get it by email and they emailed me a code and I just pasted this into the

00:22:42 ◼   ► passbook entry for my card so you have to go back in the passbook and you just

00:22:46 ◼   ► enter in there it says like enter the verification code which I did I like

00:22:49 ◼   ► that it has a little image of my card right there in Passbook and it has the

00:22:54 ◼   ► same design as my debit card. Which I think is a really nice touch. Yeah it looks the same.

00:22:59 ◼   ► It doesn't have like obviously doesn't have like the numbers and stuff on it

00:23:02 ◼   ► but it has all the colors are the same and the background is the same. I assume

00:23:06 ◼   ► that the banks can provide an image to Apple to allow this to happen because

00:23:12 ◼   ► it's not even just the standard HSBC like it's the specific account type that

00:23:17 ◼   ► I have it has a specific color card and I have that one. You can enter in all

00:23:22 ◼   ► your default shipping information and stuff which I thought was quite clever.

00:23:25 ◼   ► So I guess this is for like apps that use the Apple Pay functionality. This is

00:23:30 ◼   ► so old to so many people but I'm gonna talk about anyway because I've been so

00:23:33 ◼   ► excited about it. One thing that is kind of annoying, although I know why you have

00:23:38 ◼   ► to do it, is I had to enter all of this information in on my iPhone, my watch and

00:23:43 ◼   ► my iPad like it doesn't sync it won't and it can't and I get why but it makes

00:23:48 ◼   ► sense

00:23:48 ◼   ► yeah it makes sense I get you know in theory I only have to do it once for

00:23:52 ◼   ► every card that I add but the moment I only have one card in there. So why do you

00:23:55 ◼   ► have it set up on your iPad is that for just the in-app purchasing thing? Yeah I

00:24:01 ◼   ► just guess I might as well put it in there I mean because there aren't a lot of apps in the

00:24:05 ◼   ► UK yet that are supporting it but I guess as that continues to increase like it would just be

00:24:10 ◼   ► useful so I just thought I would just enter in the password. More than

00:24:14 ◼   ► anything I wanted to see what happened. If I entered it in, what was

00:24:18 ◼   ► the process the same? Because plus I'm using iOS 9 on the iPad. So it's

00:24:23 ◼   ► wallet. Exactly. So it's wallet. Which is really weird, right? Because there is

00:24:29 ◼   ► wallet in the settings but there isn't a wallet app. There is a wallet app. Is there?

00:24:35 ◼   ► I couldn't find it. I think it's because I'm doing that weird region thing anyway.

00:24:38 ◼   ► because I'm not, yeah.

00:24:39 ◼   ► So I then went out of the house today to try it out.

00:24:45 ◼   ► So I had, I did have my wallet.

00:24:48 ◼   ► - You make it sound like you don't usually

00:24:50 ◼   ► go out of the house.

00:24:51 ◼   ► - But that's correct Federico.

00:24:53 ◼   ► Not every day my friend.

00:24:55 ◼   ► I did take my wallet with me

00:24:57 ◼   ► because I was going to buy lunch

00:24:59 ◼   ► and I thought if for any reason this doesn't work,

00:25:01 ◼   ► I still want to be able to buy lunch.

00:25:03 ◼   ► So I took my wallet with me anyway.

00:25:05 ◼   ► And I went to two different stores

00:25:07 ◼   ► So I could try it out once on the watch and once on the phone.

00:25:13 ◼   ► So I was buying a sandwich for myself in a little bakery here.

00:25:18 ◼   ► But it's a chain bakery so I expected it would work.

00:25:21 ◼   ► They're not listed as a partner.

00:25:23 ◼   ► It was a cheese and onion pasty we call it here.

00:25:26 ◼   ► It's not actually a sandwich but I thought it would be easier for me to explain it that

00:25:29 ◼   ► way but that's what I bought.

00:25:31 ◼   ► I went to Gregg's for anybody in the UK.

00:25:34 ◼   ► That was where I went today.

00:25:35 ◼   ► because I knew they had contactless and I wanted to try it out because they're

00:25:38 ◼   ► not listed as a partner on Apple's website which I you know I believe would

00:25:42 ◼   ► be fine because it should work whoever contactless is. So I was standing in the

00:25:47 ◼   ► line and before I went to the counter I double tapped the watch button and then

00:25:51 ◼   ► the watch kind of readies itself and it's like it says ready and I asked the

00:25:56 ◼   ► the lady what I wanted. I used the "can I use contactless" trick from our listener

00:26:03 ◼   ► last week. Held my watch to the reader, no touching. I would not touch my watch to

00:26:07 ◼   ► the reader and it was done. It was very easy. So I just held it up and it went bleep bleep.

00:26:11 ◼   ► Does the watch screen have to like face down on the reader or just like your wrist normally?

00:26:17 ◼   ► I just like held my wrist to it. I didn't do any crazy contortion. Like I didn't like flick my arm

00:26:23 ◼   ► over or like I just held it towards it. Like I didn't really, I wasn't very specific about how

00:26:29 ◼   ► I did it I just kind of like push put my arm basically I've moved my arm towards

00:26:34 ◼   ► the reader and before I had any like chance to change the direction it had

00:26:38 ◼   ► already gone through no okay so it was really easy and then for the phone I

00:26:45 ◼   ► bet it's basic it's pretty different actually the phone so you I had the

00:26:52 ◼   ► screen off like I was listening to a podcast I took it out of my pocket and

00:26:56 ◼   ► and you just hold it over the reader and then the the Apple Pay UI pops up with

00:27:01 ◼   ► like the card and stuff and it's like touch here and then like you hold your

00:27:05 ◼   ► fingerprint down and it does the payment like you don't invoke it in the same way

00:27:09 ◼   ► like in any way like you do on the Apple Watch like on the Apple Watch you're

00:27:12 ◼   ► telling the watch to turn the reader on but with the phone you just hold it at

00:27:17 ◼   ► the reader and then just put your fingerprint down and it's done so it's

00:27:22 ◼   ► It's they're both pretty simple, but the watch is faster and I think probably more convenient for me anyway

00:27:28 ◼   ► Especially because I have such a big phone right but like it was just like it was very simple

00:27:33 ◼   ► I preferred the watch I like that it was quicker because it is quicker

00:27:36 ◼   ► You know, it's not by a lot

00:27:38 ◼   ► But when you're doing something that only takes like a second anyway adding another second on it is doubling the time it takes so

00:27:44 ◼   ► So I liked it do you have any either of you have any questions for me

00:27:50 ◼   ► Did you like the sandwich?

00:27:51 ◼   ► The sandwich was fine.

00:27:53 ◼   ► Again it's not really a sandwich, I just couldn't think of a way to describe it.

00:27:58 ◼   ► It's like a pastry kind of item.

00:28:02 ◼   ► But yeah it was very nice, thank you Federico.

00:28:04 ◼   ► I also have a real question.

00:28:08 ◼   ► Like when you used the Apple Watch with the reader, did people look at you weird?

00:28:17 ◼   ► Was it a big deal that you were paying with your watch?

00:28:21 ◼   ► I wasn't hiding but nobody noticed but nobody was looking at me at the time.

00:28:28 ◼   ► People behind me may have seen but the lady she was like she activated the car thing and

00:28:34 ◼   ► then started like I don't know what she was doing getting some carrier bags out or something.

00:28:38 ◼   ► She wasn't looking and I just did it and just pulled my arm away again.

00:28:42 ◼   ► So for her like the transaction's gone through it's like not a problem.

00:28:46 ◼   ► didn't even notice but I expect that that will happen a little bit over the next little

00:28:51 ◼   ► while that people won't understand what's happening because it is weird and I mean I

00:28:55 ◼   ► did feel a little bit weird doing it just because it was the first time you know.

00:29:01 ◼   ► Yeah, probably because I mean you're paying with your watch that's kind of amazing when

00:29:05 ◼   ► you think about it.

00:29:06 ◼   ► I mean I guess like in the tech Twitter kind of sphere because we are also experts about

00:29:16 ◼   ► you know, tech specs and how stuff works. Sometimes we forget about actually what is

00:29:21 ◼   ► going on. I mean, we're paying for stuff with a watch.

00:29:24 ◼   ► That's crazy.

00:29:25 ◼   ► That's crazy! That's insane! It's amazing, right? And we kind of feel that sense of...

00:29:30 ◼   ► we kind of lose that sense of magic, right? That sense of wonder, maybe. I don't know.

00:29:37 ◼   ► But I was talking to a friend at dinner the other day and I was showing him the Apple

00:29:42 ◼   ► And he was so genuinely excited, you know?

00:29:47 ◼   ► I mean, it was like, so you can make phone calls with the watch?

00:29:50 ◼   ► And he wanted me to call him to demonstrate the phone call stuff.

00:29:53 ◼   ► So hearing you talking about Apple Pay, I feel, I mean, that sounds crazy, Myke.

00:30:00 ◼   ► Super, super nice.

00:30:02 ◼   ► You just hold your wrist up and you buy a sandwich with the watch.

00:30:05 ◼   ► That's crazy.

00:30:06 ◼   ► Yeah, nice.

00:30:07 ◼   ► It's pretty magic.

00:30:09 ◼   ► I'm very happy with it.

00:30:10 ◼   ► I mean, I have to say, I've been looking forward to it for a while and I'm pleased that it's

00:30:15 ◼   ► here for me because I get to pay in this awesome way and tomorrow, over the next couple of

00:30:20 ◼   ► days, I'm actually out in London, so I'm going to be using it on the tube and stuff like

00:30:24 ◼   ► that.

00:30:25 ◼   ► So I'll let you know how that goes.

00:30:28 ◼   ► Yeah, you beat me to it.

00:30:30 ◼   ► Yep.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Your bank's never going to get it, man.

00:30:33 ◼   ► You just got to face up to that fact.

00:30:35 ◼   ► I know.

00:30:36 ◼   ► I suggest...

00:30:37 ◼   ► Switchbank.

00:30:38 ◼   ► Switchbank.

00:30:39 ◼   ► It was actually a K-Base article I learned

00:30:42 ◼   ► of all the banks that support it.

00:30:44 ◼   ► - Of course you know that, of course you know that.

00:30:46 ◼   ► - I didn't know that until just now

00:30:48 ◼   ► and I used my custom Alfred K-Base search thing

00:30:52 ◼   ► that I wrote to find it.

00:30:54 ◼   ► Anyways, I thought it'd be interesting this week

00:31:00 ◼   ► to talk about how the three of us consume news

00:31:05 ◼   ► and then a little bit later how we work.

00:31:09 ◼   ► All three of us work sort of in the the tech news industry more or less and I don't consume news I create news

00:31:15 ◼   ► So

00:31:30 ◼   ► Part this is my own our minds a little bit because of Apple news coming in

00:31:35 ◼   ► IOS 9 all three of us are running IOS 9 have you guys gotten a chance to play with the Apple news app yet?

00:31:41 ◼   ► And if so, what are your thoughts on it?

00:31:44 ◼   ► Myke do you want to go first? Yeah, I don't like it

00:31:48 ◼   ► I've only used it my iPad, but I think that like the information density is all wrong

00:31:56 ◼   ► Like there's there's a ton of articles and they're all different shapes and it's it's really difficult to know

00:32:05 ◼   ► where you need to be looking.

00:32:07 ◼   ► And I know why they're doing this. They're trying to make it look like a newspaper, but

00:32:12 ◼   ► we fixed that model.

00:32:15 ◼   ► You don't need to worry about column inches. You can do any layout you like.

00:32:21 ◼   ► It's not important. So I don't really know what articles they choose to be bigger than others. I don't like it.

00:32:30 ◼   ► I think that the way that you choose the stuff that you want to see is a little bit flawed and like

00:32:37 ◼   ► the fact that it seems that Apple is like randomly pulling images like

00:32:41 ◼   ► When I'm looking at the sources that I want to read a wheel of colored iPods doesn't tell me that I'm looking at Mac stories

00:32:49 ◼   ► But for some reason that's what they choose like that doesn't mean anything to me

00:32:54 ◼   ► So this is something I saw for you recently Federico like the big image

00:32:57 ◼   ► was something that you were using which was like I think it's from an Apple ad or something like that and

00:33:01 ◼   ► It was like a wheel of colored iPods

00:33:04 ◼   ► It's like this is this doesn't mean anything to me like and then you have like this tiny little Mac stories logo

00:33:09 ◼   ► Like I just want to see a big Mac stories logo like that doesn't make sense

00:33:13 ◼   ► I

00:33:15 ◼   ► I'm

00:33:17 ◼   ► I'm not really a big fan of it like when you're actually reading an article it looks fine

00:33:21 ◼   ► And it you know it looks like a nice way to look at things and you can quite easily see the source stuff

00:33:27 ◼   ► but then it also seems to assign these random tags.

00:33:31 ◼   ► The other day I was reading something on Steven's website

00:33:34 ◼   ► and a tag was just pixel, which was interesting.

00:33:39 ◼   ► - So close.

00:33:40 ◼   ► - I don't really understand why they're doing

00:33:44 ◼   ► some of the stuff they're doing.

00:33:45 ◼   ► I feel like they've got too many robots doing this

00:33:50 ◼   ► and not enough people and that's why it feels to me

00:33:53 ◼   ► a little bit unappley.

00:33:56 ◼   ► And I hope, what I hope is that this is just

00:33:59 ◼   ► as they're gathering data and like eventually

00:34:01 ◼   ► they're gonna be, they're gonna go like,

00:34:02 ◼   ► here you go publishers, here's a ton of tools

00:34:06 ◼   ► for you to make this stuff look right.

00:34:09 ◼   ► That's what I hope.

00:34:10 ◼   ► 'Cause like, for example, when I look at Mac stories,

00:34:12 ◼   ► I've got like these three headings at the top.

00:34:15 ◼   ► - Which should be five because I changed them to be five

00:34:19 ◼   ► in my publisher setting,

00:34:20 ◼   ► but setting is not propagating to Apple News

00:34:23 ◼   ► for some reason, I don't know.

00:34:25 ◼   ► That makes sense then.

00:34:26 ◼   ► But yeah, it's just…

00:34:27 ◼   ► It is weird.

00:34:28 ◼   ► It is weird.

00:34:29 ◼   ► And as a publisher, I can tell you it is especially frustrating when I put out content on my website

00:34:39 ◼   ► and there's a difference between what you see on the website and what you see on Apple

00:34:44 ◼   ► News.

00:34:45 ◼   ► It's, I would say, curated feed by robots.

00:34:50 ◼   ► I don't think there's like an Apple person who sits there and every time I hit "publish" he goes "okay, yeah, I want to feature this"

00:34:57 ◼   ► because you know, it's a link or maybe just a quick review of an iOS app.

00:35:02 ◼   ► So it's weird because sometimes, at least right now in the beta, sometimes articles show up, other times they don't.

00:35:10 ◼   ► And maybe it's just a bug or maybe it's a feature or maybe it's a robot.

00:35:16 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:35:18 ◼   ► I would say, I agree with you Myke on all the weird things, like the layouts are just

00:35:27 ◼   ► like there's too much white space and some stuff is too big, some stuff is too small,

00:35:33 ◼   ► and sometimes I notice this, especially like I was searching for Mac stories. Now I don't know if

00:35:40 ◼   ► this is a Mac stories issue but I don't think so. So and basically I search for Safari View Controller

00:35:47 ◼   ► which is an article that I wrote a couple of weeks ago.

00:35:50 ◼   ► And instead of having a result as a Mac Stories article,

00:35:56 ◼   ► I get the Daring Fireball link.

00:36:00 ◼   ► So the link that John Gruber put up on his website.

00:36:04 ◼   ► But there was one of my images.

00:36:06 ◼   ► And not even the top one, just a random screenshot from my article

00:36:11 ◼   ► in his post on Daring Fireball, which is super odd.

00:36:15 ◼   ► I don't know what they're doing with algorithms and scraping websites, but it seems strange.

00:36:21 ◼   ► They're machine learning, man.

00:36:22 ◼   ► It'll get you.

00:36:23 ◼   ► The tags can be really weird sometimes.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Like if I'm looking at a – I was looking at a Kickstarter article about a campaign,

00:36:35 ◼   ► and the tag was "Product Manufacturing Industry," which, okay, yeah, sure.

00:36:40 ◼   ► I mean, you were manufacturing a product for the Kickstarter campaign, but maybe that's

00:36:45 ◼   ► That's a little too literal, you know?

00:36:47 ◼   ► You can get a little more specific than that.

00:36:50 ◼   ► But I want to say, I did manage to find a couple of interesting links on Apple News.

00:36:58 ◼   ► In fact, I'm using it to kind of discover stuff for our Mac Stories Weekly newsletter.

00:37:05 ◼   ► Last week, like three or four links in our links section were discovered on Apple News.

00:37:12 ◼   ► And I think if you use the service enough, it gets better relatively quickly.

00:37:20 ◼   ► In a week I started following some topics, I used the little love icon to say "yeah,

00:37:28 ◼   ► I like this" and the topics got better.

00:37:31 ◼   ► But still, the explore section is too generic.

00:37:36 ◼   ► Like I go there and it gives me as a recommendation like basic stuff like "I should follow Apple".

00:37:42 ◼   ► Yeah, okay, sure.

00:37:44 ◼   ► That feels like a healthy amount of news to receive.

00:37:46 ◼   ► Yes, I do love my Apple News.

00:37:50 ◼   ► I go there and it's a bunch of generic recommendations instead of getting really specific.

00:37:56 ◼   ► Before Apple News when there was like Zite and even Flipboard or there was another one,

00:38:03 ◼   ► I don't remember, they could get really specific.

00:38:06 ◼   ► The sections that they recommended to me were things like Python scripts or Evernote.

00:38:12 ◼   ► And those are kind of more specific sections and topics that I'm interested in.

00:38:17 ◼   ► But if I go to explore right now in Apple News, I get things like consumer products

00:38:23 ◼   ► and services, which, okay, I guess I'm into consumer products.

00:38:27 ◼   ► I'm a human being and I live in Italy.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Or I get, this is another topic that I get in the suggested topics, computing and information

00:38:35 ◼   ► technology.

00:38:36 ◼   ► Yeah, sounds fancy.

00:38:37 ◼   ► I love me some information technology.

00:38:42 ◼   ► Interactive media, there's a human eye with a reflection of the Facebook logo in its retina.

00:38:49 ◼   ► And yeah, I guess I do like eyes looking at Facebook.

00:38:53 ◼   ► So the topics can get a little bland and generic.

00:38:58 ◼   ► But the main page, the "for you", there is some interesting stuff.

00:39:03 ◼   ► I feel like I don't want to complain too much right now because it's a beta, because maybe

00:39:07 ◼   ► the robots are still learning and doing whatever it is they do.

00:39:11 ◼   ► There are some things that are obviously wrong, like the layouts very much to be desired right

00:39:16 ◼   ► now.

00:39:17 ◼   ► There's no way to simply say "I don't like this".

00:39:20 ◼   ► You can say "I like this" with the love icon, but you cannot say the opposite.

00:39:24 ◼   ► You can report a suggestion as being inaccurate or offensive, but there's no basically hate

00:39:31 ◼   ► icon, which is maybe a little strong, but even on Apple Music you can tap and hold

00:39:36 ◼   ► and say "I don't like this suggestion". You cannot do the same on Apple News

00:39:40 ◼   ► right now. So we'll see, we'll see, I don't know.

00:39:44 ◼   ► I mean my issue with it, and we're going to talk about RSS in a second, but I for the most part want to read

00:39:52 ◼   ► what I have chosen to read, and I read the mix of writers that I pay

00:40:01 ◼   ► attention to because they they surface things that are interesting right and so

00:40:06 ◼   ► for me it's sort of there's a mix in there of things like Mac stories or

00:40:10 ◼   ► Marco's website or doing fireball of things that I I read and I will follow

00:40:15 ◼   ► things they link to but then there's also this sort of weird churn going on

00:40:19 ◼   ► of stuff that you know it's trying to add or suggest and and it does some

00:40:24 ◼   ► weird stuff which is understandable like linked lists style sites like Federica

00:40:29 ◼   ► like you and I both do where it will pull in images.

00:40:33 ◼   ► Like if I link to something on The Verge,

00:40:35 ◼   ► it will add The Verge's photo to my article,

00:40:38 ◼   ► which I'm not republishing their article on my site.

00:40:40 ◼   ► And Feedly does the same thing, which I really dislike it.

00:40:43 ◼   ► 'Cause it looks like I am using their images and I'm not.

00:40:48 ◼   ► And so, I mean, that's understandable to a degree,

00:40:50 ◼   ► but there's some of that weird use case for people like me

00:40:55 ◼   ► and reading the sites I read

00:40:57 ◼   ► that it can kind of get weird in a hurry.

00:41:01 ◼   ► Can I say just one more thing about Apple News?

00:41:04 ◼   ► Of course.

00:41:05 ◼   ► Because right now I'm scrolling through the pages of the suggested topics

00:41:10 ◼   ► and on the fourth page there's mobile app.

00:41:14 ◼   ► Which, okay, I think I do cover mobile apps,

00:41:17 ◼   ► but then I keep scrolling and there's US Politics, Medicine, Android, and Sports.

00:41:25 ◼   ► Now, I do wonder if Apple's priorities are not aligned with the correct way of making

00:41:38 ◼   ► Apple News a great service.

00:41:41 ◼   ► Because by not linking products and services together, so Apple doesn't want to share information

00:41:47 ◼   ► for things you look up in Safari or stuff you look up in other Apple apps, they don't

00:41:54 ◼   ► want to share this information with other services because they feel like they want

00:41:58 ◼   ► to respect customer privacy.

00:42:01 ◼   ► And I know that a lot of people feel very strongly about this topic.

00:42:05 ◼   ► But when you go to something like Apple News, I go to Apple News and I have an expectation

00:42:10 ◼   ► that a service based on robots and algorithms should know that I'm definitely not into sports

00:42:16 ◼   ► or Android or US politics.

00:42:19 ◼   ► And I feel like that by respecting the user privacy too much, the end user product also

00:42:26 ◼   ► becomes worse.

00:42:28 ◼   ► And I know that a lot of people, there's many arguments in favor of Apple or the Google

00:42:35 ◼   ► way of doing things.

00:42:38 ◼   ► I just feel like right now in beta force, or disclaimer, I do know it's a beta and

00:42:42 ◼   ► etc. But right now it feels like this strong respect for privacy also makes the product

00:42:51 ◼   ► a little dull and generic. And maybe it'll change with time, maybe it'll learn without

00:42:57 ◼   ► having to look up my information in Safari or Mail or other apps, but maybe it won't

00:43:04 ◼   ► and we'll see when it launches.

00:43:06 ◼   ► So I have to say at this point, like, whenever I use Google Now and like I was using it today,

00:43:14 ◼   ► I was playing around with my Android phone, it's using my Google search history. And it says to me,

00:43:22 ◼   ► like, "Hey, here's a site that you read that has a new article that you might like." And it's like,

00:43:29 ◼   ► every time I see one, I'm like, "Yep, that's correct." Or like they, what they do is like,

00:43:34 ◼   ► Like I see from sites that I don't know, but it's breaking news about a topic that I've

00:43:39 ◼   ► looked at and searched for before.

00:43:42 ◼   ► And I see that and I'm like, "Yes, that's what I want to see."

00:43:47 ◼   ► Because it's doing exactly what you're saying Federico, it's learning from my search history

00:43:51 ◼   ► and showing me stuff that is important to me based on the fact that I have explicitly

00:43:55 ◼   ► searched for something like this before.

00:43:59 ◼   ► And or I visit this website in Google Chrome and there's a new post on it and they're showing

00:44:03 ◼   ► me. And it always tends to, with the new post stuff, they always tend to show me,

00:44:07 ◼   ► and I don't know if they do this purposefully, for sites that have

00:44:11 ◼   ► infrequent updates. So like it's not showing me every time there's a new post

00:44:15 ◼   ► on The Verge, but like it shows me "oh Casey had a new blog post" and it's like

00:44:21 ◼   ► "yeah that's useful because I might not have seen that." Like so you know that is

00:44:25 ◼   ► the way that that I would love to see this kind of stuff work but I can see

00:44:31 ◼   ► have, you know, I see what you're saying Federico, like the fact that they don't

00:44:35 ◼   ► want to share this data between the applications means that it's unlikely.

00:44:39 ◼   ► But it would be nice if I could say yes please do it.

00:44:43 ◼   ► Yes exactly. Or don't do it.

00:44:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:46 ◼   ► You know.

00:44:47 ◼   ► But I have.

00:44:48 ◼   ► And even if you don't give me this setting at least give me proper training controls in the app.

00:44:53 ◼   ► Let me say yeah okay this is very interesting or no I don't like this or yes this is mildly interesting

00:45:00 ◼   ► so we'll see about this topic.

00:45:02 ◼   ► If you don't want to use my data across different services, at least let me say yes or no or

00:45:10 ◼   ► maybe.

00:45:12 ◼   ► Right now there's just a way to say I love this, which is a strong feeling to use this

00:45:16 ◼   ► love feature everywhere.

00:45:19 ◼   ► Sometimes you don't love stuff.

00:45:21 ◼   ► Sometimes I just mildly liked it.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Sometimes I just, you know, like sometimes I just don't hate stuff.

00:45:30 ◼   ► I just accept that it exists, but I don't love it.

00:45:34 ◼   ► You know?

00:45:35 ◼   ► Should we take a break and then talk about some other services?

00:45:39 ◼   ► Yes.

00:45:40 ◼   ► Let's do it.

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00:48:18 ◼   ► So RSS then. I'll start off. I don't use RSS at all anymore.

00:48:27 ◼   ► You're fired from this show. I tried to pare down my subscriptions to like 30

00:48:33 ◼   ► maybe about six months ago and I still wasn't I just wasn't doing it I just I

00:48:40 ◼   ► I just don't check it enough.

00:48:43 ◼   ► It's just not something that interests me anymore.

00:48:45 ◼   ► I don't really read like that.

00:48:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess you don't have a blog and you don't do links like Steven and I do.

00:48:53 ◼   ► So maybe you just don't need RSS.

00:48:56 ◼   ► Maybe Twitter is enough for you.

00:48:58 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:48:59 ◼   ► I'll talk about Twitter in a minute and why I think it is, but I think that you've hit

00:49:02 ◼   ► the nail on the head.

00:49:05 ◼   ► What about you, Steven?

00:49:07 ◼   ► I do use RSS.

00:49:08 ◼   ► use feed bin for the back end and the unread app on iOS and I maybe we can

00:49:19 ◼   ► get into Twitter a little bit but my issue there is that Twitter flows by too

00:49:24 ◼   ► quickly and I know with RSS that what I subscribe to will be waiting for me so

00:49:29 ◼   ► like I haven't opened reader on my Mac in hours but I know that I won't miss

00:49:33 ◼   ► anything not that I will look at it all but I know that everything that has

00:49:38 ◼   ► happened will be in there waiting for me and I like that sort of handle on things

00:49:43 ◼   ► that RSS gives you and I just you know Twitter is fleeting and fast and even

00:49:48 ◼   ► with things like lists I just can't keep up so I've used RSS for a long time

00:49:52 ◼   ► it's early Google Reader days and it continues to be really central to how I

00:49:57 ◼   ► how I read and how I work.

00:50:00 ◼   ► I use RSS a lot. I tried many services over the years and it's been since December or

00:50:11 ◼   ► January and I'm not switching from this one. I use NewsBlur. It's not pretty. It's kind

00:50:19 ◼   ► of ugly in places. It looks like a Windows app sometimes but it's got all the right features.

00:50:27 ◼   ► Basically, NewsBlur lets you subscribe to RSS and create folders and all that kind of

00:50:34 ◼   ► stuff.

00:50:35 ◼   ► And it lets you save articles you can even share with other NewsBlur users.

00:50:39 ◼   ► So it's kind of like Google Reader, you know, when you used to be able to comment on articles

00:50:43 ◼   ► with other people.

00:50:44 ◼   ► But I don't care about that stuff.

00:50:47 ◼   ► The key aspect of NewsBlur is that it lets you promote and downvote keywords in headlines,

00:50:58 ◼   ► entire websites, specific authors, tags from articles if the CMS exposes tags to the user.

00:51:07 ◼   ► So you can get very specific about the kind of topics that you like.

00:51:11 ◼   ► So I can follow a lot of websites, and even websites like The Verge or Polygon or Kotaku,

00:51:20 ◼   ► which have the noise to signal ratio, is very much inclined towards a lot of posts kind

00:51:33 ◼   ► of website.

00:51:35 ◼   ► But I can follow them, because then whenever they write about things that I don't like,

00:51:40 ◼   ► I don't know, Donald Trump or the latest game for the Xbox One that I don't have anyway.

00:51:48 ◼   ► I can just highlight the keyword or the author if the author always writes about the topic

00:51:55 ◼   ► and just say thumbs down, I don't want to see this ever again.

00:52:00 ◼   ► And in the future, if an article matches that kind of thing, it'll be hidden from my list.

00:52:05 ◼   ► So I follow a lot of websites in NewsBlur, but because I've been very careful about promoting

00:52:11 ◼   ► and downloading stuff, now it's a feed made just for me.

00:52:16 ◼   ► And the best thing is if you spend time kind of training the service and you say "okay,

00:52:24 ◼   ► I like this topic, I like this website", you can create the focused list, which is like

00:52:30 ◼   ► a specific feed of just the things that you like and that you're interested in.

00:52:36 ◼   ► So if I go there and it's been like a couple of days and I haven't checked RSS, I can just

00:52:41 ◼   ► go to the focus list and I can just take a look at those so I know it's the most important

00:52:47 ◼   ► stuff for me and I can be done with RSS quickly.

00:52:50 ◼   ► So in NewsBlur and RSS it lets me follow the websites that I wouldn't want to follow on

00:52:55 ◼   ► Twitter because Twitter doesn't have these kinds of controls to say thumbs up, thumbs

00:52:59 ◼   ► down, I don't care, I do care, and instead I can use this smart feature in Newsblurr

00:53:06 ◼   ► to do this and I discover a lot of blog posts that I link to or maybe

00:53:12 ◼   ► links that I can use in the newsletter. I am thankful for this kind of feature

00:53:18 ◼   ► and I hope the Newsblurr never goes away because there's no other service that

00:53:23 ◼   ► does this so I'm really happy.

00:53:25 ◼   ► So I mainly use Twitter as the way I find out about a lot of things and this

00:53:32 ◼   ► comes through in a different way, a couple of different ways. I follow a lot

00:53:35 ◼   ► of people, right, so if something starts happening and it's getting a lot of buzz

00:53:40 ◼   ► I'm likely to see the link come through. I'll either see it come through a few

00:53:44 ◼   ► times or I'll catch one of the people that tweets about it. I also follow the

00:53:49 ◼   ► accounts for blogs that I like, so you know things like Steven's site and

00:53:55 ◼   ► and Federico's site and Brad's site and Jason's site

00:53:57 ◼   ► and you know, sites that I like,

00:53:59 ◼   ► I follow their Twitter accounts.

00:54:01 ◼   ► I also follow a couple of the fire hosey types of accounts.

00:54:06 ◼   ► So I can follow The Verge and I follow Polygon

00:54:10 ◼   ► 'cause they tend to be my favorite sites

00:54:12 ◼   ► in those scenarios where they're just gonna

00:54:15 ◼   ► spew a bunch of news at me

00:54:16 ◼   ► 'cause I can only take a couple of those.

00:54:18 ◼   ► I've tried to do more than one in each category.

00:54:21 ◼   ► - It gets out of hand.

00:54:22 ◼   ► - Yep, and one of the annoying/great things about those

00:54:26 ◼   ► is if something's really good,

00:54:28 ◼   ► they'll tweet about it multiple times

00:54:30 ◼   ► over different time periods.

00:54:32 ◼   ► So that can be annoying, except for the time--

00:54:34 ◼   ► - In case you missed it.

00:54:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, but they don't even, luckily they don't do that.

00:54:39 ◼   ► They just pretend like you never saw it, you know.

00:54:41 ◼   ► They actually do it in case you missed it,

00:54:43 ◼   ► because they don't actually use the thing.

00:54:45 ◼   ► But whilst it's annoying sometimes,

00:54:48 ◼   ► 'cause you're like, oh God, this happened like two weeks ago,

00:54:51 ◼   ► why are you still tweeting about it?

00:54:52 ◼   ► There are times where this is where I find stuff.

00:54:54 ◼   ► So it's like, you know, I take the good with the bad.

00:54:57 ◼   ► Because most of the time they don't annoy me.

00:54:59 ◼   ► And most of the time I am getting the information

00:55:01 ◼   ► that I want because it's sometimes the only place

00:55:03 ◼   ► that I get it from.

00:55:05 ◼   ► So I've been, I mean, it works for me

00:55:08 ◼   ► because I never feel like I'm behind the curve.

00:55:12 ◼   ► Like I don't maybe find that like little unique piece

00:55:18 ◼   ► that that person wrote that maybe one or you,

00:55:20 ◼   ► like one or two of you may find,

00:55:22 ◼   ► like you two may find it and link to it.

00:55:25 ◼   ► But then if you link to it,

00:55:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna see it from your blog, you know?

00:55:28 ◼   ► So I find that I follow a select handful of curators

00:55:32 ◼   ► that I quite enjoy.

00:55:33 ◼   ► - Sexy.

00:55:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know.

00:55:35 ◼   ► And that works for me.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Like I don't want another inbox to be checking

00:55:41 ◼   ► and that's just how RSS feels to me today.

00:55:44 ◼   ► - I guess using RSS, using Twitter

00:55:49 ◼   ► and all these other types of feeds,

00:55:51 ◼   ► comes down to whether you have the inbox mindset or not.

00:55:55 ◼   ► So by design, I am the kind of person

00:55:59 ◼   ► that is a completionist.

00:56:01 ◼   ► I need to read all my RSS.

00:56:03 ◼   ► I need to manage all my email.

00:56:06 ◼   ► I need to look at all the tweets all day.

00:56:10 ◼   ► When I wake up, I load the timeline from eight hours ago,

00:56:14 ◼   ► usually just seven hours or six,

00:56:16 ◼   ► And I read every single tweet.

00:56:18 ◼   ► And during the weekends, I read every tweet.

00:56:21 ◼   ► I don't miss any tweet.

00:56:23 ◼   ► And Twitter is, in fact, part of my job.

00:56:26 ◼   ► And it sounds crazy.

00:56:27 ◼   ► What is it that you do for a living?

00:56:28 ◼   ► I write and I do podcasts.

00:56:30 ◼   ► Oh, and I also check Twitter.

00:56:33 ◼   ► No, but seriously, I discovered--

00:56:35 ◼   ► it feels weird to say you discovered people,

00:56:38 ◼   ► because I'm not like Christopher Columbus.

00:56:40 ◼   ► I didn't discover people.

00:56:41 ◼   ► But I just, you know, I get to know new people like developers and bloggers and sometimes these connections, right?

00:56:49 ◼   ► It feels very social networking kind of talk.

00:56:51 ◼   ► But these connections lead to maybe I get to be a beta tester for a new app or maybe I get to be interviewed by someone for his blog.

00:57:00 ◼   ► And look at the three of us.

00:57:02 ◼   ► I mean, exactly.

00:57:04 ◼   ► Exactly. We are living proof that Twitter silliness can lead to even more silliness

00:57:12 ◼   ► just in front of a microphone. So, reading Twitter, it's annoying sometimes, especially

00:57:22 ◼   ► when the Americans decide to pile on the same joke or the same politician. Other times it's kind of

00:57:28 ◼   ► of amazing when a big event happens and you see all these reactions.

00:57:33 ◼   ► It's crazy during Apple events.

00:57:36 ◼   ► So my timeline gets cut off during Apple events because it's just too many tweets.

00:57:40 ◼   ► But on average, I read every tweet because I discover and I follow over a thousand people.

00:57:47 ◼   ► People ask me how I do it.

00:57:49 ◼   ► It's crazy.

00:57:50 ◼   ► It's part of my job.

00:57:51 ◼   ► I dedicate a solid couple of hours each day to Twitter.

00:57:55 ◼   ► And that's part of the deal.

00:57:57 ◼   ► You gotta follow the people to find the links and that's how it worked for me.

00:58:03 ◼   ► I've been trying, I've installed and I've been tinkering with Nozzle as a way to surface

00:58:09 ◼   ► some of that stuff but one of my main problems at the moment is I follow a handful of writers

00:58:15 ◼   ► that work for some of these sites.

00:58:19 ◼   ► Like I follow a bunch of Polygon writers and a bunch of Verge writers so every time there's

00:58:24 ◼   ► big article on either site it always comes up on Nozzle because they all link to it.

00:58:27 ◼   ► Which is totally fine I get why they do it right but it makes that service kind

00:58:32 ◼   ► of pointless so I might not use it. It feels like because there have been a few

00:58:36 ◼   ► things that I found in Nozzle that I liked that I didn't see otherwise but I

00:58:43 ◼   ► feel like maybe the service is pointless unless I unfollow people that I don't

00:58:48 ◼   ► want to unfollow. So it's I don't know if I'm gonna if I'm gonna keep using it.

00:58:53 ◼   ► I guess I wouldn't be surprised if Jack's Twitter were to buy Nuzzle soon. I don't know anything,

00:59:03 ◼   ► just a suspicion. It feels like such a perfect fit. It's such a good match for the service,

00:59:10 ◼   ► especially now that they're getting into this curation stuff with Twitter lightning project,

00:59:16 ◼   ► whatever. I just feel there's too much talk about Nuzzle being a great enhancement to Twitter for

00:59:23 ◼   ► Twitter not to consider an acquisition. I don't know. It's a great product and it's useful.

00:59:27 ◼   ► The notifications, I like them. Maybe I'm away from Twitter because I'm focusing on

00:59:35 ◼   ► writing an article as I am this summer, for instance, and I see eight of your friends share

00:59:40 ◼   ► the same link and I know almost, you know, almost foolproof that it's something that I should check

00:59:46 ◼   ► out because again, nozzle uses people as the engine and not just all kinds of people but

00:59:53 ◼   ► the people you follow and you decided to follow those people.

00:59:56 ◼   ► So it's a very, very clever trick and yeah, I use nozzle a lot.

01:00:03 ◼   ► It's my go-to on days that I can't keep up on Twitter or that I've been maybe offline

01:00:09 ◼   ► instead of completing my timeline or if ArcSess is out of control, that's sort of my safety

01:00:16 ◼   ► of hey I just wanna make sure that there's something

01:00:19 ◼   ► going on I should know about.

01:00:21 ◼   ► And it really is nice for that.

01:00:23 ◼   ► - It's a good way to take the temperature.

01:00:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly, that's a really good way of saying it.

01:00:28 ◼   ► One thing I do wish, and maybe it does this,

01:00:31 ◼   ► it sounds like it doesn't though if you haven't found it,

01:00:34 ◼   ► of a way to mute people in Nuzzle.

01:00:38 ◼   ► So if those Verge writers are sort of coloring

01:00:43 ◼   ► your experience in Nuzzle that you could turn them off.

01:00:45 ◼   ► or have their links weigh less in the algorithm or something.

01:00:50 ◼   ► I could see some growth there for them

01:00:52 ◼   ► of fine tuning it a little bit.

01:00:55 ◼   ► But overall, yeah, Nozzle's great.

01:00:57 ◼   ► It has an adorable icon, which is always a win as well.

01:01:01 ◼   ► But definitely something that I use

01:01:02 ◼   ► as a sort of a second line if I can't keep up during the day.

01:01:06 ◼   ► I just kinda go to that and see what's going on.

01:01:09 ◼   ► - You know, something that I've always wanted

01:01:12 ◼   ► to bring up on the show.

01:01:13 ◼   ► When you follow a lot of people on Twitter, you start to notice this weird metamorphosis

01:01:20 ◼   ► of memes and jokes on Twitter.

01:01:24 ◼   ► And you see this cycle repeat over and over.

01:01:27 ◼   ► And it gets to the point where there's usually an outrage happening and a big news comes

01:01:35 ◼   ► out.

01:01:36 ◼   ► And you see, it happens all the time.

01:01:40 ◼   ► Because people making a joke, mixing the two, or maybe it's a big world event and maybe

01:01:48 ◼   ► something about Apple, and you see people mixing the two as a joke.

01:01:53 ◼   ► Like I remember when the Americans, the Marines caught Osama bin Laden a few years ago.

01:02:03 ◼   ► And also Apple Maps was having issues.

01:02:07 ◼   ► suddenly there's everybody making jokes that that he was using Apple Maps and he

01:02:11 ◼   ► got caught. Or, you know, and it happens all the time, like there's a politician

01:02:16 ◼   ► says something and they make the joke about, you know, technology. And you see

01:02:20 ◼   ► this repetition of the joke, like the transformation of the meme, and it's kind

01:02:26 ◼   ► of amusing but also annoying to watch. So when you follow a lot of people, I know

01:02:32 ◼   ► I can reliably tell you when a news comes out and when Apple or Google are doing something,

01:02:39 ◼   ► there's going to be the in-between meme or the mixed joke, and it gets annoying after

01:02:45 ◼   ► a while.

01:02:46 ◼   ► But there should be a joke filter on Twitter.

01:02:50 ◼   ► There should be a Twitter for Business and there's a toggle and you say "serious Twitter"

01:02:54 ◼   ► and you hide all of the jokes and you just get the news.

01:02:57 ◼   ► I would love this.

01:03:01 ◼   ► My favorite thing, and I know that we all have this, is like, I follow different Twitters.

01:03:07 ◼   ► Like I have Tech Twitter and Space Twitter and like Video Games Twitter and you know,

01:03:13 ◼   ► I don't have Space Twitter, Stephen does, I don't know why I said that.

01:03:16 ◼   ► That's really weird, words can't be unmasked, I didn't expect.

01:03:20 ◼   ► But like, you know, I follow a bunch of different Twitters and it's really interesting to me

01:03:25 ◼   ► because I'm like, "Oh, you're from Video Games Twitter."

01:03:27 ◼   ► Like it's really interesting.

01:03:29 ◼   ► Yes, yes. Do you follow anyone from weird twitter?

01:03:34 ◼   ► Oh yeah, well at least I've tried and I can't.

01:03:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:39 ◼   ► Maybe like Darth is the only person that I can deal with in weird twitter.

01:03:45 ◼   ► That's kind of weird/cute twitter.

01:03:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:49 ◼   ► But like you know there's a lot of buzzfeed people in weird twitter and I love it for a while.

01:03:53 ◼   ► like there's too much weird that I can't keep a handle on so I have to kind of

01:03:59 ◼   ► let it go. Yeah step in and then you then you see... maybe Kyle's

01:04:07 ◼   ► the gray maybe he counts as like a beginner weird Twitter. Yes. Alright

01:04:16 ◼   ► shall I take a break and then we have an interesting final topic today to run

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01:07:07 ◼   ► - So I thought it'd be interesting to talk briefly

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01:07:28 ◼   ► So Federico, you write for a living

01:07:32 ◼   ► for the majority of your time.

01:07:34 ◼   ► What does that planning look like?

01:07:37 ◼   ► What is getting an article from your brain

01:07:39 ◼   ► through your iPad to the internet? How does that go?

01:07:45 ◼   ► It depends on the kind of article that I'm writing.

01:07:48 ◼   ► Primarily I do app reviews

01:07:51 ◼   ► and stories, so editorials, kind of opinion pieces

01:07:56 ◼   ► on the website.

01:07:58 ◼   ► My writing process has been...

01:08:02 ◼   ► looking back I think it has always been the same since high school.

01:08:06 ◼   ► And that is, I don't write multiple drafts of an article.

01:08:13 ◼   ► And I always compared myself to my friends back in high school and now to people I know

01:08:20 ◼   ► that do the same job that I do.

01:08:23 ◼   ► And there's people, they write entire stories and they're not happy with them and they just

01:08:31 ◼   ► throw them away.

01:08:33 ◼   ► And I've never had this mindset, and I guess it's that the article happens in my brain

01:08:40 ◼   ► before it becomes words with a keyboard.

01:08:45 ◼   ► And the same way.

01:08:47 ◼   ► Like I'm capable of... sometimes I find myself thinking about an article for like weeks and

01:08:54 ◼   ► weeks and weeks and I don't start typing because I don't have a clear angle.

01:09:01 ◼   ► Every time I write an article it's because I have an angle, a specific point of view

01:09:07 ◼   ► that informs the entire article.

01:09:10 ◼   ► I guess a thesis maybe you could say, but it's just a central topic or a central idea

01:09:15 ◼   ► and from that idea I extrapolate everything else and the article happens around that idea.

01:09:23 ◼   ► And sometimes that takes weeks or months.

01:09:26 ◼   ► Other times it's a Sunday afternoon and I see something fly by on Twitter and the idea

01:09:33 ◼   ► pops out on its own in two seconds and I know exactly not just the topics that I want to

01:09:40 ◼   ► cover or the other ideas of the article, but I also know the kind of flow that the article

01:09:49 ◼   ► will have.

01:09:50 ◼   ► And so it's like if, in those occasions, it's like, and I know that this sounds incredibly

01:09:55 ◼   ► hippie and kind of magical, but you know, creativity, it's kind of weird like that,

01:10:01 ◼   ► but I know, I visualize the article in my brain, and I know how it's going to turn out

01:10:06 ◼   ► on the page.

01:10:08 ◼   ► But that's very rare, and usually I need to help the idea become an idea, you know?

01:10:16 ◼   ► I need to put myself in the position of saying, "Okay, now I know what I'm going to write."

01:10:21 ◼   ► And usually that implies research.

01:10:23 ◼   ► And I feel like for most articles, research can be testing, so whether it's software like

01:10:32 ◼   ► an iOS update or an app, research is knowing what I'm going to talk about, and in this

01:10:38 ◼   ► case it is software, so maybe it's how the software works or how the design is structured

01:10:45 ◼   ► or why the developer chose to make this kind of feature or design choice.

01:10:51 ◼   ► And maybe for weeks or even months in the case of IOS reviews, I don't write anything,

01:10:57 ◼   ► I just sit there, I watch videos, I take notes, I take screenshots.

01:11:02 ◼   ► And for big articles I do mind maps.

01:11:05 ◼   ► I really like iThoughts for IOS and the iPhone and iPad.

01:11:12 ◼   ► I like it because it lets you use text and images and you can export in different formats,

01:11:18 ◼   ► but really I can zoom out from the mind map and I can take a look at all the topics from

01:11:24 ◼   ► like a top-down perspective and that's not just cool to look at, that's kind of useful to see.

01:11:31 ◼   ► You know, I use a horizontal layout so there's a central idea and then it's like a flower

01:11:37 ◼   ► with all ideas around that central topic.

01:11:41 ◼   ► And I feel like being able to see the density of those ideas and of those notes helps me

01:11:48 ◼   ► form a structure of Jericho in my brain. So when I sit down, I already know the intro,

01:11:54 ◼   ► and I already know what's going to follow that intro. And usually, and this may sound

01:12:00 ◼   ► weird to other people. But it's not so unusual for me to write the conclusion before the rest

01:12:08 ◼   ► of the body of the article. And that's not a preconception. That's because I wait until I

01:12:15 ◼   ► have a conclusion to start writing the article. So for me, the conclusion doesn't happen

01:12:20 ◼   ► in high school, in Leighton, we would say in Medias Res, which means in the middle of things.

01:12:28 ◼   ► And the conclusion doesn't happen to me.

01:12:31 ◼   ► The conclusion lets me start the article.

01:12:34 ◼   ► That's maybe strange for some people, but that's just how I work.

01:12:38 ◼   ► I don't start until I know how it ends.

01:12:43 ◼   ► And that really helped me.

01:12:46 ◼   ► I feel free, you know, when it's liberating to know what it's going to be like in the

01:12:52 ◼   ► end.

01:12:53 ◼   ► And I feel like it lets me enjoy the writing process more.

01:12:56 ◼   ► Because if I were to start writing without knowing where things are going, I would just

01:13:00 ◼   ► feel anxious.

01:13:02 ◼   ► And I would just feel like I don't know what I'm doing, like I don't know what I'm talking

01:13:06 ◼   ► about.

01:13:07 ◼   ► And at the end of the day, mind maps, notes, screenshots, those are just tools.

01:13:16 ◼   ► The basic point for me is knowing what I want to talk about.

01:13:22 ◼   ► Is knowing the idea.

01:13:23 ◼   ► using the idea, the central, the very simple idea, I feel like the copyright now, in Inception.

01:13:31 ◼   ► But the basic idea helps form the entire article, whether it's a short article or a long one

01:13:39 ◼   ► or the kind of work that you need to do for three months.

01:13:43 ◼   ► But that's always the case for me.

01:13:46 ◼   ► And everything else is just a tool.

01:13:48 ◼   ► So editorial, I cannot live with editorial, Python-y stuff, photos, Dropbox.

01:13:54 ◼   ► But for me, I would say I don't do drafts because I don't like the anxiety of discovering

01:14:01 ◼   ► the idea while I'm writing the article.

01:14:05 ◼   ► The article needs to happen after the idea is as a conclusion.

01:14:08 ◼   ► And I guess that's my writing process.

01:14:13 ◼   ► That's really interesting to hear.

01:14:14 ◼   ► as far as the I need the conclusion I need the I need the the complete thought

01:14:21 ◼   ► before I can write exactly the same way I've been working on or thinking I

01:14:28 ◼   ► should say thinking about an Apple watch review for really going on like four or

01:14:35 ◼   ► five weeks now and I don't haven't started because I don't really have a

01:14:40 ◼   ► conclusion yeah I don't really know where it's going and like you that's not

01:14:43 ◼   ► to say that my writing will be influenced by that thought,

01:14:47 ◼   ► but it's that that thought is the writing itself.

01:14:50 ◼   ► It was always very frustrating for me in school.

01:14:53 ◼   ► I took a lot of writing classes

01:14:54 ◼   ► and they'd want to see drafts,

01:14:56 ◼   ► and it's like, I don't, I can't do that.

01:14:58 ◼   ► Like, outline the scene before you write it.

01:15:01 ◼   ► Like, I've already done that in my head.

01:15:02 ◼   ► Like, why, you know, I would often backfill that work,

01:15:05 ◼   ► you know, backfill, hut, and outline,

01:15:07 ◼   ► and really have the whole thing written already,

01:15:09 ◼   ► which got me in trouble a few times,

01:15:12 ◼   ► but I'm the same way.

01:15:14 ◼   ► I thought I could talk about writing the history stuff

01:15:18 ◼   ► that I do, sort of specifically that's unique to 512

01:15:21 ◼   ► to a degree.

01:15:21 ◼   ► I will start with the idea or topic,

01:15:25 ◼   ► so hey I wanna talk about this machine,

01:15:28 ◼   ► or what I'm doing in iMore,

01:15:30 ◼   ► like this history of the iTunes store.

01:15:35 ◼   ► I pick my topic and then I go into research.

01:15:40 ◼   ► that's a very different thing than like an editorial because it's I'm not really

01:15:43 ◼   ► saying my opinion I'm sort of explaining what happened maybe why it's important

01:15:46 ◼   ► and so a couple tools that are really key for me

01:15:50 ◼   ► Wikipedia course is huge the wayback machine looking at Apple's website in

01:15:55 ◼   ► the past can be helpful there's an app for OS X and I was called Mac tracker

01:16:00 ◼   ► which has basically all of Apple's hardware and software products in it so

01:16:03 ◼   ► you can go it's like oh I'm looking at the you know the mirror drive door g4

01:16:08 ◼   ► And I can look at the dates the information the specs

01:16:10 ◼   ► Any interesting background that the app may know about is all in there

01:16:14 ◼   ► It could be a really great reference point for starting out of like where does this fall into history?

01:16:19 ◼   ► What came before it what came after it? What made it unique and

01:16:22 ◼   ► then a couple websites low-end Mac is a great one to cover a lot of

01:16:26 ◼   ► old Apple stuff and a lot of good articles explaining sort of the the nitty-gritty of

01:16:33 ◼   ► differences between you know this this power book in that power book and etc and it could be

01:16:38 ◼   ► helpful to read someone else's take on that the

01:16:41 ◼   ► People who run low and macro super great have had a lot of conversations with them over the years about stuff

01:16:47 ◼   ► And they're always very helpful

01:16:49 ◼   ► Often my research will span more than one working session that we'll see if that changes now that I have a little more time to

01:16:57 ◼   ► Write but I will store things in instapaper and and come back to them. I have some folders in instapaper

01:17:03 ◼   ► About some things that you know, hey, this is a weird machine. I can't write about it right now

01:17:07 ◼   ► I'll put it in the evergreen folder or I can have a 512 active folder. So if I'm working on

01:17:13 ◼   ► Something about the Newton all my new stuff will get saved into that folder for later

01:17:17 ◼   ► So I can come back to it and find all in one place, which is nice

01:17:21 ◼   ► And then and then I jump in into writing like like you Federico. I don't outline. I don't really draft

01:17:27 ◼   ► I kind of know at this point what I'm going to say

01:17:31 ◼   ► Kind of the way I'm going to say it the order in which I'm going to talk about things

01:17:34 ◼   ► I started to sit down at Ed Byward on the Mac or editorial on my iPad and

01:17:39 ◼   ► And just you know go through it. I write in markdown have a lot of text expander stuff happening to make

01:17:45 ◼   ► Pulling links in and that sort of stuff faster

01:17:48 ◼   ► And so I can just you know take that research to kind of turn through it and and and write my piece and the writing

01:17:55 ◼   ► Part is usually much quicker than the research

01:17:58 ◼   ► Especially if you know like you Federico research involves videos

01:18:01 ◼   ► So if you're watching like like WVDC sessions or like old keynotes, like I can't make an hour-long video go faster

01:18:09 ◼   ► Okay, it's going to take about an hour even skipping around

01:18:12 ◼   ► So that research time for the history stuff is the bulk of the time spent in an article

01:18:19 ◼   ► Well, they're writing it is usually much shorter

01:18:21 ◼   ► I'm gonna sit down, you know, get it out, you know proofread it go through it

01:18:27 ◼   ► I do have a copy editor I use for big stuff, which is nice and then and then publish and do it all over again

01:18:33 ◼   ► It's hurting me to listen to you guys talking about the writing process

01:18:38 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, because I'm trying I'm

01:18:41 ◼   ► working on a call for a site right now and

01:18:45 ◼   ► I

01:18:48 ◼   ► Struggling I'm really struggling like I know what it's about right like I know what it's about

01:18:56 ◼   ► But I just can't I just can't do it

01:18:59 ◼   ► Like I'm trying to say the stuff that I'm trying to say and it's really really difficult for me to do it

01:19:06 ◼   ► It's it's definitely a skill that some people have and you both have it in abundance

01:19:11 ◼   ► And I just really really struggle with it. It drives me mad

01:19:15 ◼   ► So obviously I'm not going to about writing so rather than talking about the recording stuff because I think

01:19:23 ◼   ► there's not really a lot of interest in. I use Skype Core Recorder and then I

01:19:28 ◼   ► put it into Logic. There's not really a lot for me to say there. I wanted

01:19:33 ◼   ► to talk about how I prepare for shows because I think that's maybe a little

01:19:37 ◼   ► bit more unique to me maybe, I don't know, or at least it unearths a little bit

01:19:41 ◼   ► about my thought processes, they're just slightly different. So let's say that

01:19:48 ◼   ► say that the show has an idea, right? So every episode requires an idea,

01:19:54 ◼   ► whatever it is you want to talk about that week. That could be

01:19:58 ◼   ► something that's in the news or it could be like a specific topic or an idea that

01:20:03 ◼   ► you want to talk about. Like let's say for example with this show today we had

01:20:08 ◼   ► to think up these two different things because there wasn't really anything in

01:20:10 ◼   ► the news that we wanted to talk about so much. So like a couple of weeks ago I

01:20:15 ◼   ► I suggested maybe talking about news,

01:20:18 ◼   ► and we've been pushing it along as we were waiting,

01:20:20 ◼   ► but it was just like it was something that was on my mind,

01:20:22 ◼   ► 'cause I'd just signed up for Nozzle,

01:20:23 ◼   ► and I wasn't using RSS anymore.

01:20:25 ◼   ► So all of it tends to come in ideas,

01:20:27 ◼   ► but as I just mentioned, these ideas aren't necessarily

01:20:30 ◼   ► like you have the idea on Monday for the show on Tuesday.

01:20:33 ◼   ► I might like have an idea for a show

01:20:36 ◼   ► I wanna do at some point down the line.

01:20:38 ◼   ► So these tend to get saved in drafts

01:20:40 ◼   ► if they're over long term.

01:20:42 ◼   ► And I tend to have a note for each show,

01:20:44 ◼   ► would be like ideas for connected ideas for upgrade ideas for cortex that kind

01:20:48 ◼   ► of thing. That tends to be where that stuff goes. Sometimes they just go into

01:20:52 ◼   ► the Google Doc outlines but a lot of the time I save some of that stuff myself in

01:20:57 ◼   ► drafts until I flush it out a little bit more into something that's a little bit

01:21:01 ◼   ► more meat to it before putting it into or sharing it with my co-host so I know

01:21:06 ◼   ► exactly what it is I want to talk about. Show preparation actually lasts for

01:21:12 ◼   ► seven days for each show. So for basically the moment that we stop

01:21:16 ◼   ► recording I'm already preparing for this week's episode, next week's episode of

01:21:20 ◼   ► Connected and that's the same for all of the shows that I do. As soon as I stop

01:21:23 ◼   ► the preparation for the next week begins because I save links that people send in

01:21:28 ◼   ► as follow-up, make notes for corrections for follow-up and again like start

01:21:32 ◼   ► thinking about the ideas again. When people send me links and stuff recently

01:21:37 ◼   ► I've noticed that like I'm losing stuff so like people send me something on like

01:21:41 ◼   ► Tuesday for upgrade and I forget to add it to the Google document or whatever I

01:21:47 ◼   ► just see it online it's like I come reading Twitter I was like oh yeah

01:21:50 ◼   ► that's cool and then I don't think to do anything with it so I've started this

01:21:54 ◼   ► system recently again of using drafts to append these links using the drafts

01:21:59 ◼   ► extension to a specific like upgrade follow-up note in drafts this is

01:22:04 ◼   ► something I'm still like fleshing out a little bit but it feels like a pretty

01:22:07 ◼   ► good system. I might end up using the Notes app for this when I'm on iOS 9

01:22:11 ◼   ► everywhere. It was actually the fact that the Notes app was introduced that made me

01:22:17 ◼   ► think to check out this functionality in drafts because I'm not on iOS 9 on my

01:22:22 ◼   ► iPhone yet so I don't want to start using Notes everywhere but I'm thinking

01:22:26 ◼   ► that maybe Notes will be something that I use although I do like markdown

01:22:29 ◼   ► preview. Anyway, so we'll see. I'm not, I'm not, I haven't fully tried out Notes yet

01:22:35 ◼   ► but I know that Federico has been using it to some effect.

01:22:39 ◼   ► And that was, talking to Federico about the way he's using notes

01:22:41 ◼   ► is making me think about using it in drafts.

01:22:43 ◼   ► So I have like follow-up notes for a bunch of shows,

01:22:46 ◼   ► and I just add things into those notes,

01:22:48 ◼   ► and then I can check them and add things in for follow-up later.

01:22:51 ◼   ► Or I just add them directly into Google Docs.

01:22:54 ◼   ► Like if I'm on my Mac, I usually just add them straight

01:22:56 ◼   ► into the Google document for that show,

01:22:59 ◼   ► so I could open up the connected one,

01:23:00 ◼   ► make a little line above this week's notes,

01:23:03 ◼   ► add in some just quick notes until I go in on the morning of the show being

01:23:07 ◼   ► recorded and flesh out the outline. So that's typically what I tend to do the

01:23:11 ◼   ► morning of. I've got my coffee and I will start doing the outlines for the shows

01:23:16 ◼   ► that happen later in the day for me. So this will be cleaning out the document

01:23:21 ◼   ► from last week, cleaning out the topics that we covered and the follow-up so

01:23:25 ◼   ► that's all gone and then I start taking any notes from drafts off that are already

01:23:29 ◼   ► in my Google Doc and outlining them, fleshing out the ideas, adding in my thoughts about

01:23:34 ◼   ► follow up, that kind of stuff, creating the actual outline.

01:23:36 ◼   ► I look on Twitter, if we have hashtag suggestions for the shows that I do on a bunch of shows,

01:23:41 ◼   ► I look for those to put them into the show.

01:23:43 ◼   ► I look through my email, because I tend to, when I get an email which is feedback for

01:23:48 ◼   ► a show, I just snooze it in mailbox until the morning of the show.

01:23:53 ◼   ► Because a lot of the time it's not really, it tends to be follow up and I don't want

01:23:56 ◼   ► to be looking at follow up for all of the shows all of the time because that's

01:24:00 ◼   ► too much to keep in my brain. So I just move them to the morning of the

01:24:04 ◼   ► applicable show and then just start going through them all then. And then

01:24:08 ◼   ► this takes me up to like so I've got the document all done and

01:24:12 ◼   ► everything that I need to do is taken care of. Sometimes I will then pass over

01:24:16 ◼   ► to my co-host and say my stuff's in, have a look at it, flesh it out, add some more

01:24:21 ◼   ► stuff if you want to. And then about 10 minutes before we go live, I make sure I have all

01:24:27 ◼   ► of the documents I need in front of me, so like the show outline, the sponsor reads,

01:24:31 ◼   ► and have all of those in front and all correct. Then I start a new post in our CMS to add

01:24:38 ◼   ► links as we record, and that's it. Then the recording begins.

01:24:44 ◼   ► So that is my little system.

01:24:46 ◼   ► It's quite the workflow.

01:24:49 ◼   ► I feel like when I started writing this down, I felt like I was more organized than I believed

01:24:54 ◼   ► I was, so that was good.

01:24:56 ◼   ► I didn't realize that I had a real system for it, but I do have a system for it.

01:25:02 ◼   ► I've been using the Notes app, like you said, it's been very effective for me.

01:25:07 ◼   ► I use it to manage the links that we use on virtual.

01:25:13 ◼   ► I use it for Mac Stories Weekly.

01:25:15 ◼   ► I save all the links there.

01:25:18 ◼   ► I have an iOS 9 review folder with all my research and the big reason why I keep using

01:25:25 ◼   ► it is that it's just so fast and reliable.

01:25:29 ◼   ► I mean, iCloud sync.

01:25:31 ◼   ► All my changes are consistently always there and of course it was one of the first apps

01:25:38 ◼   ► to support multitasking on the iPad so I could load up the W3C session videos on the video

01:25:46 ◼   ► videos app on iOS which I never ever used but now it's been useful to watch

01:25:52 ◼   ► videos and take notes at the same time. I'm really excited about notes. It's

01:25:59 ◼   ► been a nice upgrade and I'm surprised Myke that you

01:26:06 ◼   ► like, you mentioned just in passing the markdown preview. What is it

01:26:11 ◼   ► that you like about markdown videos?

01:26:14 ◼   ► I just like being able to preview my notes in markdown.

01:26:17 ◼   ► I know that sounds a little bit weird, but the other thing is, oh, the other part is

01:26:21 ◼   ► that say I've written an outline in markdown.

01:26:24 ◼   ► If I go into a markdown preview in drafts and copy that, when I paste it into Google

01:26:29 ◼   ► Docs, it maintains the formatting for Google Docs.

01:26:33 ◼   ► I had a suspicion there was a copy and paste related benefit for you.

01:26:39 ◼   ► Because I know that you go insane if the formatting is not the same in Google Docs.

01:26:45 ◼   ► It really annoys you and I understand because it also annoys me when formatting is not properly

01:26:50 ◼   ► displayed.

01:26:53 ◼   ► So I understand.

01:26:55 ◼   ► Very nice, Myke.

01:26:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I like my formatting to be all nice and clean and clear and crisp and just right.

01:27:02 ◼   ► I like to have the formatting, like if I've sat and done the outline in Markdown with

01:27:08 ◼   ► like nested points and stuff like that, you know, like I've got like bullets and nested

01:27:13 ◼   ► bullets.

01:27:15 ◼   ► The reason I do that is because then when I bring it over into Google Docs, I want it

01:27:19 ◼   ► to be the same, right?

01:27:21 ◼   ► I want it to maintain all of that.

01:27:23 ◼   ► But if, and if it doesn't, then I get a bit annoyed about it.

01:27:28 ◼   ► So there you go.

01:27:29 ◼   ► That's that.

01:27:30 ◼   ► I get to do something a little special and talk about some of our, the ways that we work

01:27:34 ◼   ► and some of our thoughts and feelings on our magical 50th episode.

01:27:39 ◼   ► And I hope that you've enjoyed it and we'll have our links and everything.

01:27:43 ◼   ► There's lots of links today over at relay.fm/connected/50.

01:27:48 ◼   ► If you want to find us online, there's a few ways that you can do that.

01:27:50 ◼   ► You can find Federico at maxstories.net and he's @vitiaci on Twitter.

01:27:56 ◼   ► the

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01:28:31 ◼   ► >> Adios, Erci.

01:28:32 ◼   ► >> Adios.

01:28:32 ◼   ► Adios.