47: Bingo Machine for Schedules


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00:00:07   From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 47.

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00:00:25   My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett of 512pixels.net.

00:00:30   Hello Steven Hackett.

00:00:31   Hello Michael Hurley.

00:00:32   How are you?

00:00:33   I'm good.

00:00:34   Uh, big week for me.

00:00:35   How are you?

00:00:36   Oh yeah.

00:00:37   I'm fine.

00:00:38   I am totally fine.

00:00:40   And from MacStories.net, the one and only Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:44   Hey, how's it going?

00:00:45   Good buddy, how are you?

00:00:47   Um, I'm doing well.

00:00:49   I survived the Italian heat.

00:00:52   I survived the London heat.

00:00:54   Yeah, but that doesn't count.

00:00:56   Why?

00:00:57   I mean, you get like half of the sun up there.

00:01:02   What was your temperature last week?

00:01:03   Like, well it depends.

00:01:06   Because if you ask me about Rome, it was kind of like 38 degrees.

00:01:11   At the beach I think it was like hotter.

00:01:15   But you know, I could swim in the sea.

00:01:16   Alright, well we were at 37 with 100% humidity.

00:01:21   Yeah.

00:01:22   No, the temperature's the same.

00:01:24   Come on, give this to me Federico.

00:01:26   We had the heat wave.

00:01:27   It's the hottest day it has ever been in July, ever.

00:01:31   - You don't get the sun as nicely as you get it here.

00:01:34   Like the shape of the sun, I think it's different.

00:01:37   - Come on, come on.

00:01:38   What is this you're giving me?

00:01:39   Well, we got the triangle sun in London.

00:01:42   - No, you got like a waxing moon, you know?

00:01:46   - Are you talking about the sun?

00:01:47   Where's the moon coming to us?

00:01:48   - No, but it misses a portion of the sun

00:01:51   because it's written, you know,

00:01:53   it's different I think so yeah isn't the bit that people want so like I got all

00:01:58   of the temperature and none of the Sun I read it in a book so it must be true

00:02:02   what was did you write the book no okay anyway so so let's do a system follow-up

00:02:11   as the order of connected requires us to eat and every week mm-hmm we have some

00:02:19   follow up Federico from a fellow countryman of yours whose name is is

00:02:25   beyond my capacity to pronounce just try g Giacomo almost Myke Giacomo no it's

00:02:38   Giacomo oh you were close almost basically one thing that Americans

00:02:43   always do when it when they see this kind of word in Italian is they try to

00:02:47   to say "Gia" but it's just "Jah". You don't say the "Gia". It's Giacomo.

00:02:53   I was trying to be overly fancy and it came back and be like...

00:02:56   Yeah, Myke, you almost sound like a French person. I don't know why you're trying to do that.

00:03:00   Well, I guess I got that going for me.

00:03:03   Yeah.

00:03:04   Mm. The reference, in case you won't get. So, what's followed up is really interesting

00:03:10   and I thought it's sort of a crossover between connected and virtual, the video game show

00:03:15   that you guys do and so assuming a future iPhone slash iPad will have force

00:03:20   touch in the tactic engine on the whole screen which the rumors as late as today

00:03:25   and yesterday say the next iPhones will have would it be cool if they used it to

00:03:30   simulate the feeling of a button press in games with it you have a similar

00:03:34   feeling or feedback like pressing a physical button without having the

00:03:38   actual button. So I've used haptic feedback turned on on Android phone so

00:03:48   often you can have it turned on on the keyboard and the problem with this and

00:03:52   the problem in my mind with force touch and haptic feedback on iOS

00:03:58   in general is that unless they have some magic that I don't know about I don't

00:04:03   know how they make it feel localized like under your like under where you

00:04:07   touch. So like if the phone just vibrates when you touch it that's not really like

00:04:11   a button press it's just like the phone vibrated when you touch it. It's not a...

00:04:14   you know what I mean? Like it feels sort of disconnected from the action that

00:04:17   caused it. On the watch it's so small that phenomenon doesn't take place.

00:04:22   Well let's say that there was even some magic like where you could do that. So

00:04:25   let's say you had a little circular area of the touchscreen that was the button

00:04:29   and if you pressed on that area it felt like you tapped that area. It still

00:04:32   doesn't actually help anything because buttons are good because you can feel

00:04:40   them before you press them. Exactly. That's what's good about the buttons on

00:04:44   a controller is your thumb or your fingers can find them and then you press

00:04:49   them like without needing to look at where they are and so it actually

00:04:54   wouldn't really enhance the game experience in any way. It would just

00:04:59   feel like if you're pushing in on a touchscreen like it doesn't actually

00:05:01   help with the problems that iOS platformers face is like you don't know

00:05:06   where the buttons are without looking at them.

00:05:08   Yeah, the big part of the game consoles is that you can rest your hands on the controller and you can just buy memory alone,

00:05:16   you can just play a game if you know the controls. And if Apple does this kind of haptic feedback on iOS,

00:05:22   like I was thinking about the possible implementations for video games and I kept thinking, Myke,

00:05:28   we discussed this game on virtual before, I envisioned something like Tearaway on the

00:05:34   PS Vita, which is the portable PlayStation console by Sony. There's a rear touchpad in

00:05:43   the back of the console, and basically it's a touch-enabled pad on the back, and in this

00:05:50   game, which is called Tearaway by Media Moleculates, an excellent game, if you try to basically

00:05:56   press your finger against this touchpad.

00:06:00   There's like a simulation on the screen and you see like a fake finger in the game kind

00:06:05   of reaching out from the back of the game.

00:06:09   And I mean this kind of mechanic, right, that you have like this sense of pressure.

00:06:18   I mean the PS Vita doesn't have any sort of haptic feedback but they kind of faked it

00:06:24   with touch alone and I think it's really well done.

00:06:27   And if iOS gets this kind of feature with the next iPhone and the next iPad, I think

00:06:33   that in video games, rather than trying to emulate the feel of controllers for consoles,

00:06:42   we will see this kind of games that they let you press on objects and environments inside

00:06:49   the game through the touch screen using haptic feedback as a sort of, I mean, feedback to,

00:06:55   you know, let you know that you're actually pressing into the game.

00:06:59   So I don't think it can be like a physical controller, but I think we will see new mechanics

00:07:05   in video games and apps, of course.

00:07:08   Haptic feedback and the Tactic Engine will make the iPhone feel like an iPhone with a

00:07:14   rumble pack.

00:07:15   That's the closest that it will be.

00:07:17   It will feel like when you have a video game controller and it rumbles and vibrates and

00:07:22   shakes the controller.

00:07:23   That's what it will be closer to rather than actually making it feel like buttons.

00:07:26   So the game will be able to, in theory, will be able to shake the device or input that

00:07:32   you make on the game shakes the device as opposed to it actually ever, well not ever,

00:07:37   but at least in the near future being able to feel like you are applying pressure to

00:07:41   a specific point of the screen.

00:07:43   That's how I see it.

00:07:44   I mean who knows what magic but...

00:07:46   I would be very surprised if that's what we got in a few months time.

00:07:50   Yeah I think that knowing what we know about how it works now I mean I've got

00:07:55   Force Touch trackpad on the SmackDown Pro that's like right here that I'm talking

00:08:00   it to and it if you've used one you know it's definitely bigger than the watch

00:08:05   but again you don't have that sense of like location with it the whole thing

00:08:09   just sort of clicks or vibrates under your finger and it's not not quite the

00:08:14   same so I agree with it with what you guys said and even though my game

00:08:17   experience isn't nearly what y'all's is the Rumble pack really that makes more

00:08:22   sense to me than this sort of this sort of thing but who knows and I mean it

00:08:26   will only evolve and get better so maybe at some point they can they can do

00:08:30   something more interesting with it. So the the remainder of the follow-up is

00:08:34   about Apple music which we're going to talk some more about later on we had

00:08:38   some follow-up from from last week so listener Ryan wrote in and Ryan said how

00:08:43   How many people actually need to listen,

00:08:45   slash continue to listen to Beats 1 on a regular basis

00:08:48   to help it attain a level of global connectedness?

00:08:51   So we've talked a lot about, talked about it last week,

00:08:53   people on Twitter saying, "Hey, I'm listening to this.

00:08:55   "What do you think about this?"

00:08:56   You know, commenting on Beats 1 as it's happening

00:09:01   and of course talked about radio

00:09:03   and how that's a very old phenomenon

00:09:04   and youngsters are just now rediscovering it.

00:09:07   So I think Ryan's getting at is like,

00:09:10   can't Beats 1 ever break out of just like,

00:09:13   the Apple community were like,

00:09:14   if you think about maybe like my parents,

00:09:17   you know, they grew up in a time where like you sat down

00:09:21   and watched the evening news.

00:09:22   I mean, I even did as a kid,

00:09:23   so I'm like the evening news was on

00:09:25   and then you go to work the next day

00:09:26   and everybody saw the evening news.

00:09:28   Like it truly was universally common

00:09:31   that everyone knew it was going on with that specific thing.

00:09:35   Can Beach One ever achieve that sort of thing?

00:09:40   I don't know if anything ever can in the same way because one of the reasons that like radio

00:09:46   was so capturing of everyone is because it was one of the only entertainment mediums

00:09:53   and now we are like overwhelmed with entertainment mediums.

00:09:58   You can just pick what medium you want and however you want to watch it and do it in

00:10:02   your own way.

00:10:04   I think that there is a potential for it to do something that's like it but it's never

00:10:08   gonna attain the status that radio in its heyday had. It just doesn't feel

00:10:13   like it could be possible because if you want to have some light entertainment at

00:10:18   7 p.m. on a Sunday evening you could watch a movie or you could watch the TV

00:10:23   or you could watch Netflix or Hulu or you could play the PlayStation. There are so

00:10:28   many other things that are happening. But what I have seen, like you know it has

00:10:31   been interesting as the week has unfolded, every now and then I see people

00:10:36   talking about either things that were happening right now on Beats or I saw

00:10:41   and like you know there were tweets like an hour ago and I saw someone

00:10:45   mention a song or mention a playlist or something like that so I think it is

00:10:48   still happening but it's maybe a little bit too early days to see if it will

00:10:52   continue but I don't think it could ever achieve like the heady heights of radio.

00:10:58   Yeah, I mean, I've been trying to listen to Zayn as much as possible, you know, depending

00:11:08   on my schedule.

00:11:10   I feel like it's interesting to think about Beats 1 when we think about the car and transportation

00:11:20   in general.

00:11:21   And it feels to me that Apple has a very big play when it comes to trying to control the

00:11:28   listening experience in the car. And you see that with a bunch of features like CarPlay

00:11:34   and Siri controls and Apple Music and all this integration with voice and Siri and even

00:11:42   the Apple Watch makes it easier to kind of control whatever is being played by the iPhone

00:11:48   in your car on your wrist. And I feel like, I remember when I was younger I would just

00:11:57   in the car, my parents were driving and they put on the radio just because it was easy

00:12:03   to do so and you didn't have to like to fiddle with the, like to choose. Back in the day,

00:12:10   my father didn't have a CD player. He had a cassette, a tape player in the car and it

00:12:18   was awful to press and hold the fast forward control because in the music cassettes you

00:12:26   You couldn't just go to a specific song, you had to kind of roll the tape and remember

00:12:31   where you were.

00:12:32   And so the radio was easier because you could program a bunch of different shows and you

00:12:37   could just click a button to go to that show and there would be somebody who would put

00:12:41   on music for you.

00:12:43   And I feel like compared to today, the problem, like, the technology is different, the amount

00:12:52   of media is different, but the problem is still the same.

00:12:56   We have so many songs available, we have so many entertainment options, like you said

00:13:00   Myke.

00:13:01   I mean, you can even sit back in the car and just watch a YouTube video on your phone.

00:13:07   But we have so many options that maybe every once in a while it is nice to kind of press

00:13:14   a button and there's someone who takes care of entertainment for you, and in this case

00:13:19   it's music.

00:13:20   But I agree, it's difficult to imagine with all these options that radio is going to be

00:13:26   huge like the default way of being entertained over radio with audio and music again.

00:13:37   But it is nice with all these services, you know, we can stream all these songs, we can

00:13:41   search, we can have playlists, we can go to YouTube and Vivo channels, we can play video

00:13:48   games we can do all this stuff but maybe sometimes you just wanna you just want

00:13:54   to have someone else take care of that for you I don't know no I think that's

00:14:01   fair and I think that um it is an interesting question of what you know

00:14:07   what it would take to be truly that that the heights of older media I guess it

00:14:13   It'll be interesting to see if it truly is "Worldwide Always On"

00:14:16   Beats 1

00:14:17   It's kinda Always On

00:14:19   It's kinda...

00:14:20   Worldwide?

00:14:21   It's kinda live also

00:14:23   Worldwide?

00:14:24   Yeah it is worldwide

00:14:25   It is worldwide, okay

00:14:27   That's what the next piece of follow-up is about

00:14:31   It's like you guys have access to the same document I have

00:14:33   It's crazy

00:14:34   Wow

00:14:35   Telepathy I guess

00:14:36   I can see your little faces up there on the top of the Google Doc

00:14:39   That's not me

00:14:40   It's not me

00:14:41   Let's be someone else.

00:14:45   So the names this week are the struggles.

00:14:49   Janos.

00:14:50   Janos.

00:14:51   It's like a Spanish Jason.

00:14:54   So Spanish Jason writes in, "I'd like to know what your experience about the Beats

00:15:02   One schedule is.

00:15:03   I find it frustrating because I don't understand how they fail to integrate the schedule with

00:15:07   with any sort of calendaring or reminder feature.

00:15:11   I'd like to check out some of my shows

00:15:12   and want my device to alert me when a specific show is on

00:15:15   so I can catch it in my time zone.

00:15:17   So what do you guys think about this?

00:15:20   I have not spent much time at all with Beats 1,

00:15:22   so I'll leave this to the two of you to discuss.

00:15:24   - Yeah, I can't believe

00:15:25   there's not push notifications for shows.

00:15:27   - Yeah.

00:15:28   Yeah, Spanish Jason has a point.

00:15:32   - He does.

00:15:33   You can tap on the Beats 1 artwork on iOS,

00:15:37   and you see kind of a schedule, but it's not full schedule.

00:15:40   >> But it only shows the next 10 or 11 hours.

00:15:43   >> I want to go there and say,

00:15:45   "Okay, next Wednesday at my 4 PM in Rome,

00:15:49   what am I going to be able to listen to?"

00:15:52   That kind of calendar.

00:15:54   You cannot do that.

00:15:55   I mean, you can, I guess,

00:15:57   listen worldwide, always on and try to make a note,

00:16:01   because they kind of pre-announce shows and you can also use Twitter to kind of stay on top of the programs coming to Beats 1.

00:16:10   But yeah, I was surprised actually too.

00:16:13   I mean at least like a calendar file that you download and you keep on your device, that would have been nice.

00:16:19   Yeah, like a calendar, a better at least 24 hours in the app and push notifications for your favorite shows.

00:16:29   Like that feels like that should be in here.

00:16:32   And I'd like to think that these are things that they will add.

00:16:35   But again, it's that old thing, it's like, well, until you really know how people are

00:16:40   interacting with a service is when you'll understand.

00:16:43   Because it's not even...

00:16:44   So they replay shows, they have like 12 hours of content, but they don't play the shows

00:16:49   every 12 hours.

00:16:50   So like Elton John's Rocket Hour, which was amazing by the way, it was broadcast at first

00:16:57   at 3 a.m. London time and then 2 p.m. London time.

00:17:01   Like, so you can't even guess that.

00:17:03   Like, you know, it's just like a random number.

00:17:06   Do you know how I found that?

00:17:08   I went to Elton John Dotcom and it was and I'd written a blog post about it

00:17:12   talking about how this isn't a podcast.

00:17:14   It can only be listened to when it's live.

00:17:17   Why do they choose those times?

00:17:20   It's like a bingo machine for schedule. I know. I know.

00:17:23   And then they have the Tumblr, right?

00:17:25   But the Tumblr, again, only shows a limited amount of time into the future.

00:17:30   It's really difficult to try and work it out.

00:17:33   If they really want people to tune in to different radio shows, which they clearly do

00:17:39   because otherwise they wouldn't have all these cool people,

00:17:41   they need to get better about this.

00:17:43   Because the playlists that they have are great.

00:17:45   So you can search in the search tab for a specific host of any show.

00:17:52   and you can go to their connect page and it has playlists that are put up maybe

00:17:56   like a day or so after the show airs of the tracks that they played but you

00:18:00   don't get the stories and that was one of my favorite bits about John's shows

00:18:04   he was talking about like how him and Brandon Flowers are friends and he was

00:18:09   he would talk about like a specific artist and why he thought that they were

00:18:13   a really cool artist that kind of thing which again like my whole reason for why

00:18:17   I was so excited about this and I've been talking about it like non-stop on

00:18:20   upgrade about how excited I've been about this show is that Elton John is a

00:18:24   huge music guy and it really came through in his show and I loved it just

00:18:30   loved it check out the playlist I'll find a link for the playlist and I'll

00:18:34   put it in the show notes because the playlist itself is just great but that

00:18:38   is one I would say definitely definitely look out for it if you can because yeah

00:18:42   it's gonna continue to be awesome and like also about the story that you don't

00:18:47   get with the playlists, St. Vincent's mixtape delivery service.

00:18:52   I thought that was really cute.

00:18:54   Yeah, because she calls her fan, right?

00:18:56   That's how it works.

00:18:57   Yeah.

00:18:58   You can go to her Facebook page and you can submit an application of sorts, like you describe

00:19:05   how music, I think I read an article about this, you describe how music and a mixtape

00:19:11   could make your life better at this point of your life and why.

00:19:16   So I think yesterday's episode was about a girl, an American girl who just graduated

00:19:23   from college and she was on a road trip with her grandmother who was a truck driver.

00:19:28   Totally awesome.

00:19:29   See this is the thing right now, they're creating all this great content but you've got to make

00:19:36   it so people know when to tune into it.

00:19:39   And whilst I would like there to be just podcasts of it or whatever, I get why there isn't and

00:19:45   And there's something that's quite nice about the fact that they don't exist in that way.

00:19:49   You have like two or three attempts to listen to them.

00:19:52   But they need to make it so I can at least know in good advance, maybe a day or two in

00:19:58   advance when they're going to play.

00:20:00   And when they do come on, I want to be notified about it in case I've forgotten so I don't

00:20:04   have to add it to my calendar.

00:20:05   Like there is now an entry in my calendar for 2pm every Tuesday for Elton John.

00:20:12   I'm expecting it that's when it will be broadcast every week but I literally

00:20:16   have no idea. So work to do but yeah work to do. So speaking of you know content

00:20:25   that is repeatable and you can listen to it on your own, podcasts are sort of like

00:20:31   a quarter step into the Apple Music universe so there are several links in

00:20:35   the show notes one from a Reddit thread one from Twitter about people

00:20:41   for instance you can you can love a podcast in iTunes but that's kind of

00:20:46   just doesn't go anywhere it seemed it's it's a little confusing and maybe we're

00:20:51   seeing some stuff that Apple didn't mean to show maybe eventually you can

00:20:54   recommend podcast or you know like them say hey I like connected and upgrade you

00:20:58   would probably like debug and debug would you know show up and for you for

00:21:01   instance oh I'm I am excited about this as someone who now makes their living on

00:21:08   podcast that you know yeah having having that discover of discoverability and I

00:21:13   think would be interesting but it seems not even half baked yet so it's

00:21:19   especially interesting when you consider that Apple bought the the company is

00:21:24   well I think it's good last year for like 30 million dollars according to

00:21:29   TechCrunch and this was like like an iPhone app that kind of the curation for

00:21:36   podcast episodes, kind of like beats music for

00:21:40   radio programs and podcasts and it's interesting when you consider like

00:21:45   it's one thing to to recommend

00:21:49   an album or a song because you know the history of music

00:21:52   can you really do the same for podcasts? Do you know the history of podcasts?

00:21:57   Like if Myke makes a joke on Connected

00:22:00   do you have the knowledge to recommend a show where the same joke was made by Myke

00:22:06   two months ago. It's different when we talk about curation for this kind of stuff, right?

00:22:14   If Apple really wants to control also this space, to make intelligent recommendations

00:22:21   for podcasts, do you look at descriptions? Do you recommend shows and episodes? Not just

00:22:29   entire shows, but episodes each morning for people who commute or maybe drive and want

00:22:35   to listen to a podcast. Do you recommend a single episode depending on the description?

00:22:40   What topics they cover? Do you have a team of people listening to podcasts all day long?

00:22:45   That sounds like a terrible job, especially if you listen. I mean, it's not like I don't

00:22:51   like you. It's just that sometimes you're too much, you know? I mean, can you imagine

00:22:57   like listening to yourself as a job for like five days a week?

00:23:03   It's kind of what I do though.

00:23:05   What I do.

00:23:06   I listen to Myke five days a week.

00:23:07   Yeah, but that's just living your life.

00:23:09   Can you imagine living your life as someone else?

00:23:14   You know?

00:23:15   Like there's a person in Cupertino whose job is to listen to Myke all day long.

00:23:19   Like I mean...

00:23:20   There are people that listen to the submissions for new shows.

00:23:24   Every single episode.

00:23:25   They check out every podcast that's submitted to iTunes.

00:23:29   What do you mean by check out?

00:23:31   So every time somebody submits a brand new podcast to iTunes, so they say "I want to

00:23:35   have a podcast on the iTunes store", right?

00:23:39   That is listened to by a human before it is allowed to be submitted into the iTunes directory.

00:23:44   Only the first episode.

00:23:45   Only the first episode.

00:23:47   There's that at least.

00:23:50   I don't know, the entire concept of doing curation for podcasts sounds...

00:23:55   I don't know.

00:23:56   There's something that I don't get.

00:23:59   I don't think that they bought this company for podcasts.

00:24:02   I feel like they bought them for their technology to use it on music.

00:24:06   Probably.

00:24:07   I don't know.

00:24:08   The idea is interesting, right?

00:24:09   Because if my interests are, I don't know, technology and video games, you can kind of

00:24:15   serve me with episodes that talk about that kind of stuff.

00:24:20   But is that any different from just making my own list of podcasts and just picking the

00:24:25   episodes that I want to listen to?

00:24:27   I don't know.

00:24:28   are not like music. So curation, if it's really a thing that's gonna happen, it's gonna be

00:24:34   different, obviously. So, I don't know.

00:24:40   We will see how that goes. I mean, I agree with you, the curation stuff is potentially

00:24:44   harder, but I know like in Overcast, you know, you can recommend an episode, and I find a

00:24:49   lot of good shows to check out based on that. And so I think there is something there, I

00:24:53   with you it might not be the same like level of detail that that it isn't in

00:24:58   music but um we'll see how it goes you know someone someone else's time did I

00:25:02   think in the chat room that you can also like movies and TV shows so it may just

00:25:06   be that iTunes got really happy with the love action and it's just everywhere and

00:25:11   you can love anything you want but doesn't really mean anything so this

00:25:14   might not actually mean anything but it thought was interesting to talk about as

00:25:17   the three of us podcast and do that sort of thing for a living so and it and

00:25:22   when somebody loves one of our shows at Beachboard iTunes.

00:25:26   - That seems about right, honestly.

00:25:28   I wasn't gonna mention it.

00:25:29   I just assume when we talk about iTunes,

00:25:31   people know that beach balling is what's going on.

00:25:34   - Can you actually love iTunes itself?

00:25:37   - No, as an iTunes user.

00:25:38   I do really like the new icon though.

00:25:42   I know that's controversial.

00:25:44   I love the new icon.

00:25:44   - It's very nice.

00:25:45   - I loved it.

00:25:46   - Me too.

00:25:47   - Someone said--

00:25:48   - Making a confession, we all love the icon.

00:25:50   What's going on here?

00:25:51   I think I saw somebody say that it kind of looks like, you know, like oil in water and

00:25:57   it has that like...

00:25:58   Yeah.

00:25:59   Yeah.

00:26:00   Is there a German word for that?

00:26:02   Oil in water?

00:26:03   Yeah, probably.

00:26:04   Like schaden oiland?

00:26:05   I don't know.

00:26:06   Probably is one.

00:26:07   Oh gosh.

00:26:08   Okay, so...

00:26:09   Let me take a break.

00:26:10   How about I take a break?

00:26:15   Please.

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00:28:13   Sweet. So you had some news this week. I did. I was talking to Federico, he had a really great

00:28:21   espresso. Yeah. Do you want to tell me about the espresso? Well it was really creamy, especially

00:28:27   today, you know, because of the heat. I think the reaction between the heat and the coffee beans

00:28:32   makes for a better espresso, you know. I also, like, I was drinking my espresso and I was like,

00:28:38   casually scrolling my Twitter client. I was like, I came across this guy, this Steven guy.

00:28:44   He's like, I'm going to India. I'm like, whatever. So, you know.

00:28:49   Congratulations, Steven. We're so happy for you.

00:28:52   Thanks.

00:28:53   Do you want to tell the people that might not know what we're talking about?

00:28:56   I can really just think about Federico's the way he very sensually described his

00:29:00   creamy espresso.

00:29:01   Yeah. So, yeah. So there's two links in the show notes. Myke, where could people find

00:29:07   at these show notes relay.fm/connected/47.

00:29:12   - Oh, those numbers are getting high.

00:29:15   So yeah, so at the end of July,

00:29:18   I will be leaving my nine to five job.

00:29:21   It's actually interesting.

00:29:22   I got a lot of emails from people saying,

00:29:23   I didn't know you had a job.

00:29:24   Like they thought I was just doing this full time already.

00:29:27   - You're just a podcasting hobo.

00:29:29   - Yeah, it feels like it.

00:29:30   Yeah, so I'll be joining the two of you actually

00:29:33   an independent content creator trademark.

00:29:37   - Wow, so fancy.

00:29:40   - Life, I hate that, I hate everything about that phrase.

00:29:43   So yeah, I'll be working on Relay and 512

00:29:45   and some freelance stuff, all right, for this week's setup

00:29:48   and could bring an iMore or some.

00:29:51   So yeah, so I'll be joining that world of people

00:29:53   who work for themselves, which is very exciting

00:29:57   and you know, I've been doing this a long time,

00:30:00   512 pixels will turn seven this year.

00:30:03   It's been a slow burn, but it's here and I'm excited and it's going to be a lot of fun.

00:30:12   So I want to ask you, it sounds like a joke but it's not.

00:30:15   I'm trying to be serious here.

00:30:17   With all this content creation that you're going to do, and especially moving from a

00:30:23   day job to working from home and trying to be independent and all that, have you thought

00:30:28   about the disruption of your schedule, like how you're going to organize all the things

00:30:32   that you do, how you're gonna work and try to set boundaries and all that kind of stuff.

00:30:38   Yeah, it's actually been a large part of what I've been doing the last couple weeks. So

00:30:45   right now I work nine to five-ish and then I podcast in the evenings or I take care of

00:30:52   relay stuff like I do all the good bit of the admin work for relay that's happening

00:30:56   after hours or on weekends and so obviously that stuff will shift to the day which is

00:31:01   But I have been thinking a lot about what does it mean

00:31:06   to work on all these different things.

00:31:08   And I don't want to be in the situation I'm in now

00:31:10   where basically I just work seven days a week,

00:31:13   some days like 12 hours a day.

00:31:16   Obviously I don't quite know how it's gonna work out.

00:31:20   I'm sure things that I will say today

00:31:22   will be hilariously inaccurate in a year

00:31:24   or in three weeks even.

00:31:26   - You're gonna work so much more, you don't even know.

00:31:28   - No, I know, I know I will still work those hours.

00:31:30   - You have no idea what you're throwing yourself into.

00:31:33   - So today, Myke and I had a phone call earlier

00:31:36   and he was like, "Yeah, I have a list of things

00:31:37   for you to do."

00:31:38   I was like, "Oh."

00:31:39   - 'Cause since Steven made the decision,

00:31:42   he's been thinking about how am I gonna structure my day

00:31:44   and I've been thinking about what are all the jobs

00:31:45   I can give him.

00:31:46   - Yeah, so the big thing for me is just gonna be

00:31:51   keeping up with my time and so I've already moved

00:31:54   to this somewhat but having lots of,

00:31:58   If I am working on relay admin time takes, you know, X number of hours a week and having

00:32:05   that on the schedule as you know, relay admin time from three to five, and and having things

00:32:10   tracked in a way where not only I know what's going on, but if something comes in, you know,

00:32:15   if we get an invite to do something or something changes at last minute, I'm not accidentally

00:32:21   overriding anything else.

00:32:22   I think it's gonna be important because I'm not just doing relay, I'm doing these other

00:32:25   things as well.

00:32:28   So I think that calendar bit is gonna be important.

00:32:30   And I've always been a big calendar user.

00:32:32   So that's not like a new workflow for me,

00:32:35   but it will be something that I explore a little bit more.

00:32:38   And then relying on OmniFocus.

00:32:40   We spoke about it a while back.

00:32:43   All three of us at some point were using Todoist.

00:32:45   And for me, I just needed something

00:32:46   a little bit more structured.

00:32:48   So I'll be working in OmniFocus to help reflect

00:32:52   my new responsibilities a little bit better.

00:32:54   But really trying to keep up with when things are due

00:32:57   when I'm going to be doing them and just staying on top of it I think there's

00:33:02   still gonna be a lot of moving pieces and I don't want anything to fall

00:33:05   between the cracks. What about the iPad? So the iPad is interesting and we're

00:33:10   gonna talk about iOS 9 I think a little bit today if not today definitely next

00:33:14   week. I see the iPad becoming more useful potentially in some of that scheduling

00:33:20   and task management stuff so I will be working from home but I will also I'm

00:33:24   also setting up a space where my brother works for himself as well he has some

00:33:29   office space and actually sitting in it right now I've been recording in his

00:33:32   office space for several months now and so also will be here several days a week

00:33:37   because we have young kids there at home and I can't record at home anymore

00:33:42   writing at home can be difficult sometimes so I will be two places and

00:33:46   sort of in between as I think obviously I will have my MacBook Pro and that will

00:33:53   still I think continue to be my main machine but I think the iPad will be

00:33:55   able to pick up some slack in some of that like hey I'm just gonna just take

00:34:01   one machine and do my scheduling and stuff on it and I've been using it more

00:34:06   and more for research for articles not writing on it as much as you do

00:34:09   Federico but I think that will continue to grow as well like hey I'm going to

00:34:13   you know read up on these things we're going to talk about and and do it in a

00:34:16   little more relaxed ways as opposed to right now where I'm cramming that stuff

00:34:21   while trying to you know steal time from work or do do a lot of things at once so

00:34:27   we'll see already iOS 9 has made my iPad more attractive to me as a as a

00:34:33   multi-purpose tool like having is having like Safari and notes open I'm able to

00:34:38   read and like take notes on stuff it's a game changer and it's still just in beta

00:34:42   so I hope and I expect that the iPad will become more important and those

00:34:47   sort of tasks not so much of a I'm going to you know write a big a big article on

00:34:52   it definitely not gonna record on it obviously but having that as a more

00:34:57   civilized weapon I think will be good.

00:35:00   So I was going to mention your t-shirt again.

00:35:04   Yes please.

00:35:06   Steven is selling a t-shirt at teespring.com/512px.

00:35:11   It's currently as we record right now 151 of these sold and this is a really

00:35:16   great thing because it's gonna just give him a little bit of a kick and it's also to help

00:35:19   show your support for him. Here's something that I would really love the listeners of

00:35:23   connected to be able to do. So we're at 150.

00:35:25   All right, all right, let's do this. How do I buy this t-shirt?

00:35:28   Go to teespring.com/512px. You choose the style that you want Federico. We have a teespring

00:35:35   premium, teespring women's premium or Hanes 6.1 long sleeve. You get a long sleeve action in there.

00:35:43   My wife wanted a long sleeve shirt so I added it.

00:35:45   I think I'm a man.

00:35:47   That's pretty cool actually, I didn't see the long sleeve one.

00:35:49   Maybe I'll buy one of these.

00:35:51   So, you click the big Buy Now button and you fill out all that information.

00:35:54   Federico, don't read your address on air.

00:35:56   But this is what I want to task the listeners of Connected with.

00:35:59   When we sold our Connected t-shirt earlier on this year,

00:36:02   we sold 211 of them.

00:36:05   I want you all to buy this shirt

00:36:10   and we end up with more of these sold than we did the Connected t-shirt.

00:36:14   Okay, I'm about to place my order.

00:36:17   Are you buying a hundred of them?

00:36:19   Because if you are, we're done.

00:36:23   Can you just buy a hundred?

00:36:25   Just build Stephen.

00:36:27   That's not the way that works.

00:36:28   That's not helpful.

00:36:29   Can I buy a hundred?

00:36:30   Of course I can buy a hundred t-shirts.

00:36:32   What do I do?

00:36:33   Can I sell them back like here in Rome?

00:36:36   Like a black market of Stephen's t-shirts?

00:36:38   That could be an idea.

00:36:40   It becomes your Steve Jobs outfit.

00:36:42   Go to the Coliseum and just hand them out to people in the Coliseum.

00:36:49   No, I'm just going to buy one. I'm sorry, Steven.

00:36:52   So okay, it's the black one.

00:36:54   I do wish you did a color, but I understand.

00:36:58   That's my address. That's my address here. There's a green. So if you listen to the show,

00:37:05   there's a green place your order thing at the bottom. You just click it.

00:37:09   You've got to click the place your order button.

00:37:11   there's like the progress bar in the browser and then thank you and there's a smiley face

00:37:18   with Steven.

00:37:19   No, not really.

00:37:20   There's just like a thank you message.

00:37:22   And yeah, please go support my friend Steven because he's awesome and he's going indie

00:37:26   and we do love indie guys and girls and everybody.

00:37:30   We do love indie in general.

00:37:31   So Steven is kind of okay as a person.

00:37:36   No he deserves at least a one.

00:37:39   At least a t-shirt.

00:37:40   You know, at least a t-shirt.

00:37:41   Maybe at most $20, you know?

00:37:43   Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have paid more.

00:37:46   No, no way.

00:37:48   I was feeling so warm and fuzzy.

00:37:52   This is the best picture ever, by the way.

00:37:54   If you ever need me to pitch your t-shirts to the public, like, it's okay, get in touch

00:38:00   with me.

00:38:01   T-shirts as a service.

00:38:02   Taaas.

00:38:03   You have bought multiple pieces of clothing on air over the years.

00:38:06   Yeah.

00:38:07   Like this is not the first time we've done this.

00:38:09   It's kind of a fetish that I have. I like to buy things on air.

00:38:12   Yeah, it's good. No, thank you guys. The t-shirt income is nice and like Myke said, it's a little bit of a jumpstart.

00:38:19   And so yeah, I think that's very kind of the two of you.

00:38:23   Oh, by the way, Siemen, the order is gonna be here by my birthday.

00:38:27   I know, I planned that.

00:38:28   Thank you, I guess.

00:38:32   - It has been fun and a lot of people have,

00:38:35   my email is crazy, a lot of email, lots of tweets,

00:38:39   lots of messages, like thank you.

00:38:40   When I announced this on Monday,

00:38:44   I actually had to close Tweetbot 'cause I was at work.

00:38:47   The irony of this is this was all set up to pre-launch,

00:38:50   had everything scheduled and I was actually in a meeting

00:38:54   at work and all of a sudden just Tweetbot and email

00:38:57   are just going crazy.

00:38:58   I'm like, oh, I'm like, 'cause I'm still at my job,

00:39:01   I have to close all this.

00:39:03   I came back later and read through everything.

00:39:04   So I was absolutely flattered and overwhelmed.

00:39:10   I'm just trying to picture you calling your wife and saying,

00:39:13   hey, I'm famous on the internet.

00:39:15   Yeah, finally have it.

00:39:16   No, but seriously, that sounds awesome, Steven.

00:39:18   You deserve all the--

00:39:20   I mean, I've been telling you to do this, and I'm just so happy.

00:39:24   And Myke, too, we're just so happy and kind of relieved,

00:39:28   because we kind of want you to do this.

00:39:30   - Yeah, and I'm just very happy that we'll be able to

00:39:35   both put more and more time into our growing company

00:39:38   and then that excites me.

00:39:39   - And you do things on the iPad, so you know,

00:39:42   I'm also happy.

00:39:44   - That's what Federico needed.

00:39:46   - Yeah, it's not needed.

00:39:47   One more person to convert to the iPad side.

00:39:51   - I do think the workflow conversation is interesting

00:39:53   and one I would like to readdress at some point,

00:39:56   I know Myke, you and Jason have talked about that

00:39:58   on Upgrade a good bit, 'cause Jason just did this

00:40:00   like nine months ago or so, nine, 10 months ago.

00:40:03   And it is an interesting transition.

00:40:05   I don't wanna be too retrospective about it on the air,

00:40:09   but it is weird.

00:40:11   And at the same time, the what I do day to day,

00:40:16   it's all technology driven.

00:40:17   And so it's applicable, I think, to this show

00:40:19   in a lot of ways.

00:40:20   Because these devices, I like to say,

00:40:26   if people are overwhelmed with computers or stuff,

00:40:29   having this competition is like this is just a tool like it's just here to make whatever

00:40:34   task is at hand, you know, easier and in some cases possible. So I think the way we use

00:40:39   them in our jobs is it's a very interesting topic. And I think one to tie back to iOS

00:40:45   nine, like one thing that Apple is interested in, like they're making the iPad more useful

00:40:48   to do work on for a lot of different types of people. And I think that's I think that's

00:40:53   And yes, thank you guys. Thank you listeners

00:40:56   not possible without your

00:40:59   support and and faith in us, so

00:41:02   Anyways, I just wanted to offer a piece of iPad follow-up for Federico. Oh, what did I do? I know no

00:41:10   It's nothing that you've done. I've been using my iPad every day

00:41:14   hmm

00:41:16   Tell me more

00:41:17   So I tend to be just doing some reading Twitter and stuff and maybe do a little bit of email or share research and things

00:41:24   like that on it. But like the more I use it the more I'm like, oh man, just please let me have my third-party apps

00:41:30   in this split view, you know, I can feel it. I can just feel it, you know? And also like the Notes app,

00:41:37   right? That share extension

00:41:40   is pretty good, right? I mean, I know there are some other apps that do it like Drafts does it.

00:41:45   Yeah, but it's not as visual, right?

00:41:48   Yeah, I totally get what you mean.

00:41:50   Like when you save links, it's so nice.

00:41:53   So I'm thinking it could be a really nice way to do the show follow-ups, and then I'm thinking like,

00:41:58   "Ah, but I don't want to start using the Notes app until I'm on the beta of my phone,

00:42:02   so then I'm like, "Do I want to go to the beta on the phone? Yeah, I don't know."

00:42:05   But yeah, man, I'm enjoying, I'm very much enjoying using the iPad,

00:42:10   and I do like using an iPad that has a bigger screen, I've decided.

00:42:15   So just doing the traditional flip-flopping on the iPad. Yeah. No, the notes app is really good

00:42:20   I'm the same way Myke like beta threes out today

00:42:23   I'm like, I wonder if I could put in my phone for notes and then like oh well

00:42:26   I'm on my Mac a lot. Maybe I should go to El Capitan like because of like notes of all things

00:42:32   Which I have made fun of for years and it's still that UI is terrible. Why is it still yellow?

00:42:38   Yeah, so I don't know if I would be able to use it every day though and look at the crushed paper

00:42:44   Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's the joke, right? That's the comic relief feature

00:42:49   It's like it's their own purpose to like when you're when you're bored

00:42:53   Like when you're working on a document and you really don't want to just look at the texture

00:42:57   You're like, oh, yeah, that's really funny. So you can continue to do work. It's like hey guy. I'm not a serious thing

00:43:02   That's not same problem with reminders which is not powerful enough for me anymore

00:43:08   but

00:43:09   like it's the stupid sliding tabs to fly around like I have no idea to get from one list to another because

00:43:14   I just blew away in the wind.

00:43:15   Like, why is the UI the way it is?

00:43:18   - Oh man, that would be great, right?

00:43:19   If you could just blow into the microphone

00:43:21   and then they all scatter about.

00:43:22   - It's like index cards, like scattering across the desk.

00:43:25   Like, well, I guess I don't have anything else to do

00:43:26   because they're all over there on the floor.

00:43:29   - The thing about Reminders

00:43:30   is that it's still a terrible app in many ways,

00:43:33   the UI, the texture, but I mean, it is terrible, right?

00:43:38   I mean, I don't know who's working on Reminders.

00:43:40   There must be like an intern in a closet

00:43:43   making the app. But anyway, there's this feature that I really like in iOS 9 and that Siri

00:43:50   you can say remind me about this and whether it's a podcast episode, that was one of my

00:43:56   radars by the way, or whether it's a web page in Safari or an email message, so anything

00:44:01   you're looking at it can turn into a reminder. And especially for emails, that's really nice

00:44:07   because if I get a message and I need to do something about that message in like 3 days,

00:44:13   But I don't want to keep that message in my inbox for three days.

00:44:15   I can just say "remind me about this on Monday" and while it's Monday I don't need to search

00:44:20   for the message, I don't need to keep the message in my inbox, I don't need to use something

00:44:23   like "say inbox" and you know, these are the solutions that are great, you know, like also

00:44:30   Outlook as a similar feature and I do like these features, but in most cases I do want

00:44:35   to keep a clean inbox and in this way I can just say "remind me" and when the time is,

00:44:41   You know, when I need to act on it, I can just tap the mail icon in the reminder and

00:44:47   I'm taken into the message with a deep link.

00:44:51   And that's such a great feature, but it's the reminders app.

00:44:55   And so it's like a, you know, like a great feature with a terrible background.

00:45:01   So I don't know.

00:45:02   It's like you eat tiramisu and when you get to the bottom, there's like nothing, you know?

00:45:09   Yeah, I have dark so often.

00:45:12   What is tiramisu that I eat?

00:45:16   It's weird.

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00:46:12   You get this lovely piece of glass that has your image printed directly onto it and it

00:46:17   looks just amazing.

00:46:18   I have a bunch of fracture prints of my own.

00:46:20   I have some of some podcast artwork.

00:46:23   I have some of some friends that have done for me.

00:46:24   I've bought some.

00:46:25   Stephen, I bought you a fracture, do you remember?

00:46:27   It's true.

00:46:28   It's the Relay logo.

00:46:29   It's above my desk.

00:46:31   And you have some fractures of your own.

00:46:33   I remember seeing them in your home.

00:46:34   Yeah, we've got a big one in our bedroom of our two oldest kids and we have various ones of the kids.

00:46:40   The square ones, which are great. Like you can just take an Instagram photo and it's already square.

00:46:45   They're so great. They make great gifts. We really love them at our house.

00:46:48   Because Fracture Prints, they don't... they've got their own kind of thing about them.

00:46:54   It's like I call them Fracture Prints because they don't really feel like photos in a frame or like pictures on a piece of paper.

00:47:01   like something completely different. It's a really, really awesome process. It's super

00:47:05   simple to order. They package them really well. I've had them shipped from Florida where

00:47:09   they're made. They're all hand checked for quality by their team there. It's a very small

00:47:12   team in Florida. They are shipped all the way to England. I've had like six or seven

00:47:19   shipped here. Not a problem with any of them. They come in these great cardboard boxes.

00:47:26   They're nicely protected with foam. It's really cool. They put everything you need in the

00:47:30   box so if you want to mount it on the wall they'll give you all the screws and

00:47:33   stuff you need but the smaller ones they also can also get them to come with a

00:47:36   little stand as well. You can get your fracture prints in five different

00:47:40   rectangle sizes that go all the way up to 21 by 28 inch and they also have

00:47:45   three square sizes that are perfect for Instagram shots like Steven mentioned

00:47:48   but also stuff like album covers and app icons and artwork of podcasts and music

00:47:53   and stuff like that which is really cool. Fracture prints they make great gifts

00:47:56   for family and friends as well as just having some photos that you love

00:48:00   displayed in your own home and they start at just $15 so they're

00:48:04   not going to break the bank but furthermore you can grab yourself 10%

00:48:07   off your first order with the code connected and it will also

00:48:11   help support this show so go to fractureme.com to get

00:48:14   started and use the code connected for 10% off

00:48:17   thank you so much to fracture for their support of this show

00:48:21   so we have some more apple music conversation we've been spending more

00:48:25   time with it there have been lots of opportunities to use it and to break it

00:48:31   and to love it and to hate it. How are you guys feeling a week a week more into

00:48:37   this thing? I really like it myself but there's a bunch of things that are

00:48:42   driving me crazy but I also know that those things like they can be fixed

00:48:47   relatively quickly and I think the big picture like excites me but those

00:48:54   problems are really... like, they annoy me right now.

00:48:58   I know that in the big picture things, they don't matter once they're fixed,

00:49:02   but they're kind of clouding my judgment right now.

00:49:06   Like, sometimes I cannot tap into the related artists,

00:49:11   because the app just basically stops working,

00:49:14   and I need to quit the app and relaunch it,

00:49:17   or there's like multiple ways to share a song or a station or an album,

00:49:23   and I don't know why there's multiple menus.

00:49:26   The contextual menu is still too tall.

00:49:29   Even on the 6 Plus, it's just huge.

00:49:31   It's like a giant-- - It's the entire screen.

00:49:33   - It's like a giant staring down at me

00:49:35   while I'm listening to music.

00:49:36   (laughing)

00:49:37   And it makes me anxious every time I open this menu.

00:49:39   It's like, whoa, like slow down, you know?

00:49:42   And--

00:49:43   - Here's something that drives me crazy

00:49:44   with the contextual menu, right?

00:49:45   So I went in because I have my library, right?

00:49:49   So my library was full up with old iTunes purchases

00:49:53   that I didn't want to see anymore.

00:49:54   So as I was going through,

00:49:56   there's a couple of things you can do.

00:49:57   If an old purchase of yours is available in Apple Music,

00:50:02   you have to hit the button Remove from Music

00:50:08   or something like that,

00:50:08   Remove from Apple Music or whatever.

00:50:10   Or if it's just been iTunes matched, right,

00:50:14   and it's just been uploaded and then redownloaded,

00:50:16   you have to hit the button that says Delete.

00:50:18   But those two buttons are in different places,

00:50:20   depending on, so like,

00:50:21   if you hit the one and remove from music, it's like maybe the third from the top, and

00:50:26   delete is like the second from the bottom.

00:50:29   And it's just like, I don't... why?

00:50:31   Why are they in different places?

00:50:32   Why can't they just be in the same place?

00:50:34   Because I'm going through and I'm like, delete, oh no wait, this one's up here, and it's like,

00:50:39   oh, just... ugh.

00:50:41   The iTunes match integration was really messy for me.

00:50:45   I saw you tweeting about blowing it all away.

00:50:48   Yeah, so here's what happened.

00:50:50   For Apple Music I was an iTunes Match subscriber and I had all my Oasis discography in there,

00:50:57   like a bunch of albums from Block Party, Maximo Park, all these indie bands that I had the

00:51:02   discographies a bunch of years ago and I don't know why but I decided to put on iTunes Match

00:51:08   probably because I was testing iTunes Match and I thought "Yep, maybe I'm gonna keep on

00:51:13   my iTunes Match and I'm gonna migrate to Apple Music and everything's gonna be fine".

00:51:17   was not going to be fine because basically I ended up with with all these albums in the

00:51:24   iCloud music library. But if I went to Apple Music and I didn't remember that a particular

00:51:30   album was already in my library, I could see the plus icon to add to my library. So I was

00:51:37   like, OK, yeah, strange that I don't have this album already. So when I went back to

00:51:43   my library, the album was there, only it was twice, you know? Twice the album, twice the

00:51:49   music.

00:51:50   But like in one album, I had it like, so I click into my album and the songs are all

00:51:54   doubled or tripled.

00:51:55   Yeah, in one album, like number one and the number one and the number one. It's like three

00:52:00   number ones. I'm like, why? And so I googled and I looked on Twitter and it was a very

00:52:06   common problem. So they basically say that there's this integration, you know, all your

00:52:12   music all in one place, but it's not really intelligent because it doesn't really match

00:52:17   the music you have with the music that's on Apple Music.

00:52:20   And I kind of understand the design decision, like it's your album and you put it there,

00:52:27   but we also have the same album in Apple Music.

00:52:30   But if that's the reasoning behind this, the implementation is totally wrong.

00:52:34   So it makes me think that it's a bug.

00:52:36   If it's not a bug, if it's a feature, well, it's really dumb.

00:52:41   And so, because I cannot fight, you know, silliness without getting angry, I just decided

00:52:49   to take the shortcut and I just wiped my iTunes match and I added back all the albums from

00:52:55   Apple Music.

00:52:56   And I'm still going through this process, but like I told you, I never actually browse

00:53:00   my library.

00:53:01   I mostly just use Siri or I search.

00:53:04   So it's no big deal for me.

00:53:05   But I can imagine, like, for people who are used to start listening to music every day

00:53:10   by going to the library, like sitting down, okay, use my library, I wanna listen to some

00:53:14   music, I go to ABC and all the alphabets, the scrubber on the right, and then you pick

00:53:18   the artist and you start listening.

00:53:20   For those people it's gonna be a mess.

00:53:22   If you use iTunes match I'm sad, I'm sorry, and it's just the way it is.

00:53:27   Myself I can just wipe my iTunes match clean and, you know, but those other people it's

00:53:33   gonna be a problem.

00:53:34   That's probably why so many people are so upset about iTunes, especially on the desktop

00:53:39   and Apple Music.

00:53:40   Like, going through this experience that I didn't have last week made me realize even

00:53:47   more why there's more people like Steven out there.

00:53:51   So I cannot get your perspective more.

00:53:53   But yeah, that bug was crazy.

00:53:57   Other things that I don't like, you know, I don't think the interface is confusing.

00:54:02   That's one of the big themes going around.

00:54:04   So there's some parts of the interface I don't understand, like the sharing menus,

00:54:12   you know, a bunch of interesting icons, the controls could be a little better, but overall,

00:54:19   like the main pages, or the navigation, or you know, all the photographs for the artists,

00:54:27   the playlists, I do think they kind of bring some style, some... it feels trendy, you know,

00:54:35   it feels young as an app, it makes it lively, and I don't think it is overall a mess.

00:54:44   There's some stuff that they need to polish and clean up a little bit, but Steven, I know

00:54:49   that you strongly disagree with me here, so please tell me your angle.

00:54:56   I think just I said last week, I mean, overall, I think there's a lot of opportunity for confusion

00:55:04   as to what your music is doing.

00:55:08   And I think it's only compounded like they've had some some bugs with iTunes, like you guys

00:55:12   are talking about like the duplication.

00:55:13   So people had like their metadata scrambled, which is terrifying to me.

00:55:22   I think all that's fixable.

00:55:23   I totally agree with you Federico, it is all something that they can work on over time

00:55:29   and improve and I would hope that they start on that sooner rather than later.

00:55:34   But I don't know, it's just...

00:55:37   Here's a question that I want to ask you both.

00:55:41   Would it be better to have a perfectly designed and functioning Apple Music with perfect sharing

00:55:49   menus, perfect contextual menus, you know, no bugs, no weird sharing system, all these

00:55:57   perfect features, but in a very obvious music player with no human curation, no Beats 1,

00:56:05   no Connect, or is it preferable to have like a new kind of vision with some initial bugs?

00:56:15   I'm happy with what we got in that scenario.

00:56:18   I'm happy with what we got.

00:56:19   Because I don't find the UI confusing either,

00:56:23   but there are parts of it that I think need to be tidied up.

00:56:28   But I think it's one of those things,

00:56:30   like I've learned how to use it,

00:56:32   and I feel pretty good about how to use it,

00:56:33   and it's fine for me,

00:56:35   but there are things that get,

00:56:37   that frustrate me that need to be fixed,

00:56:38   and a lot of those are stuff that you've mentioned Federico,

00:56:41   but I don't find the overall interface to be confusing.

00:56:45   Like I go in, I either search for what I want

00:56:48   or I grab something out of my library

00:56:50   or what I do most of the time is I go to the For You tab

00:56:54   and there's always a new playlist

00:56:55   that is always instantly exciting to me

00:56:58   and I just press play on it.

00:56:59   - I mean, I think you can live in a world,

00:57:02   I think Apple will get there where you can have things

00:57:04   like Connect and these other features

00:57:06   and UI/UX be more clear.

00:57:10   - Oh yeah, but I don't think you can get that at the start.

00:57:12   I really don't.

00:57:13   it's too difficult to try and build something that's perfect in all scenarios because people

00:57:18   use things in different ways.

00:57:20   Maybe.

00:57:21   Yes, how would you disagree on this?

00:57:23   I don't know.

00:57:25   No, I mean, I guess it's a fair, like from both perspectives it's fair because maybe,

00:57:34   like I'm trying to guess Myke, maybe like Myke and I, you would prefer to have new ways

00:57:42   to listen to music and some bugs that are not a deal breaker, but maybe there's also

00:57:49   people like Sivaro like, yeah, I really don't want my iTunes metadata to be destroyed and

00:57:55   all this other stuff.

00:57:56   I think it really depends where you're coming from initially.

00:57:58   Like me and Federico want these new ways, so like we're happy with the trade-off.

00:58:03   But if somebody doesn't want those new ways specifically, they're more frustrated and

00:58:07   it doesn't work the way that they want.

00:58:10   Is that fair to say?

00:58:11   Am I speaking fairly for you Steven? Yes, I think so. Um, and I'm not like I haven't washed my hands about music

00:58:18   I mean I saw my trial. I was not

00:58:20   currently using it like I said last week - like I

00:58:24   I'm not like I don't really enjoy

00:58:28   like listening to a playlist of a bunch of artists that I've never heard like that sort of

00:58:33   Music introduction and

00:58:38   it's just not this doesn't work for me for whatever reason and so part of that's lost on me just because of the way that I

00:58:44   Like and listen and explore music, but I do think they'll get there

00:58:49   I've got full faith that they can they can sort these issues out. You know, there's been a lot of conversation to about

00:58:53   Offline mode I mean talking about in the chat room right now that if you go into airplane mode

00:58:57   It's it's if he for some people under certain circumstances

00:59:01   What's low, you know, what's locally available and what's not and I mean Myke you shared your story a couple weeks ago

00:59:07   About having the issue with beats after you restored your phone and you had to redownload in so yeah

00:59:11   I'm still I'm still trying to go through to download stuff. Yeah, that's crazy

00:59:15   How many songs do you keep like oh well?

00:59:18   No, I did I didn't actually go in until like today and set stuff to download

00:59:22   You know I said like I had to try and replicate my library a little bit like I've only just started doing that

00:59:27   Right so I think and I think some of that's inherent with any streaming service like people say that about Spotify and audio and everything

00:59:34   I was like even iTunes match like oh my streaming or is it downloaded? It's not always clear

00:59:38   I think there's also the element of I did I wasn't sure the state of my you know album before I

00:59:45   Put in the airplane mode. I think some of that's probably um

00:59:47   in the

00:59:50   The user space more than the technology space, but they'll get there

00:59:54   So so I just checked the app and all the stuff that I set to download earlier has been downloaded

01:00:00   So I now just deleted beats. It's gone now

01:00:02   So one of the things that I really wanted to understand was the perception of people

01:00:10   who don't listen to tech podcasts or people who don't read tech news about this idea of

01:00:17   curation like human curation.

01:00:20   So I have a friend, he's a dance teacher here in Rome and we were talking about Apple Music,

01:00:27   kind of into, you know, it stays on top of iOS updates because it wants to try deleted

01:00:32   stuff. It just doesn't read tag blocks. So we were talking about Apple news and he was

01:00:37   like, "Can you tell me what's the deal compared to Spotify?" And I told him about, you know,

01:00:43   there's a radio worldwide always on.

01:00:47   - It's one.

01:00:48   - Yes, but there's also this particular way of discovering new music. And there's people

01:00:56   who like, there's a front page and you get recommendations made by the computer depending

01:01:03   on what you listen to. And it's like, yeah, that's kind of like, you know, all these other

01:01:07   services. And then I added, but there's also this team of people, team of experts, and

01:01:12   they make the playlists on their own because they know music. And he was super intrigued

01:01:19   by that and the reason is because he's a dance teacher and he needs to constantly discover

01:01:26   new songs because he uses the songs for the choreographies and it was like I always need

01:01:34   to discover new songs but I need to discover songs that I know are somewhat related to

01:01:41   my taste or my history or that have some kind of relation to other albums that I have and

01:01:48   And many times the recommendations by the computer fall short in that regard because

01:01:54   I always get the same stuff.

01:01:56   And so I explained the human creation and started using Apple Music.

01:02:02   And just a few hours ago it came to me and I was like, "The front page is really well

01:02:07   done and I'm getting all these playlists of stuff that I wouldn't remember otherwise.

01:02:15   All these albums and songs and artists that I know myself, I just haven't been listening

01:02:20   to them in a while.

01:02:21   And I can tell that they've been made by humans because of the way that the songs are arranged

01:02:26   or like the themes of a playlist.

01:02:29   You can tell that it's not being made by a robot.

01:02:32   And I thought that was a really interesting kind of scenario for using Apple Music and

01:02:38   for like a practical implementation of the human curation.

01:02:42   Like there's a person who needs new songs, who needs songs for some style, for some attitude

01:02:48   even.

01:02:50   So I don't think curation is the kind of tech buzzword that you see on TechCrunch and you

01:02:58   see everybody's into curation and there's big money flying around for curation.

01:03:02   I think that it can have a really meaningful and practical effect.

01:03:06   So it'll be interesting to see when the three-month free trial is up, whether it's a feature

01:03:12   worth paying for for people. I think that's the beauty of the three month

01:03:17   trials and you know I think my hope would be that they're collecting up some

01:03:22   some of the issues and would attempt to fix them before the three month trials

01:03:26   up and that could be one of the reasons that they maybe want to leave it for as

01:03:29   long as they did. So like three months give us enough time to fix a bunch of

01:03:33   stuff and then people don't feel like they've lost out. That would be my hope.

01:03:38   Would it have been okay for them to just slap a beta tag on this for the first

01:03:43   three months? Yeah, the beta is a, I guess, as a kind of nerdy connotation.

01:03:51   I could see why people would say it because then you could explain it away

01:03:54   but then it kind of doesn't feel very like finished. Yeah. Like you're admitting

01:04:02   to it not being finished and I don't know if that's a good marketing message.

01:04:05   Yeah, and especially, you know, people have been saying iOS has been getting more and

01:04:10   more bugs when a new version launches and I don't want to install more betas on my device.

01:04:17   So what is this Apple Music beta?

01:04:18   I don't want a beta, I just want my normal music app.

01:04:22   So by not saying that it's beta, you get people excited about the new finished thing, even

01:04:28   if it's not actually finished because there's many things that you need to improve.

01:04:33   But yeah, I think that's the reason why they do betas anymore.

01:04:37   Can we just quickly talk about For You?

01:04:42   Because Joe Steele just asked me about this in the chat room.

01:04:46   He asked if I was happy with the For You tab.

01:04:49   And I really am.

01:04:50   Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:52   That's my favourite, absolutely favourite part of App

01:04:52   That's my favorite, absolutely favorite part of African music.

01:04:56   And not because I go there and I'm kind of, and I say, yeah, these people, they know their

01:05:03   music.

01:05:04   It's not that I go there sort of in reverence, you know, these people are like, yeah, those

01:05:08   are really experts.

01:05:10   I go there and I'm just happy because I discovered all these albums and all of these bands that

01:05:14   I had forgotten about.

01:05:16   And it's not that I had forgotten about them.

01:05:18   It's just, they're certainly in the back of my mind.

01:05:22   And when I see them, I'm like, "Yeah, sure.

01:05:24   Of course I want to listen to this."

01:05:25   So the other day I was like, "I opened for you."

01:05:28   And there was My Chemical Romance.

01:05:31   And I love that band.

01:05:33   I just haven't been listening in like two years.

01:05:36   And now I'm back into listening to their entire catalog.

01:05:40   And this was just a single example.

01:05:44   Every time I go there, there's a bunch of things that I don't like, but I can just say

01:05:47   I don't like this suggestion and it seems to be getting better for me.

01:05:51   Now I listen to many types of music, so I think the more different is your taste, the

01:06:05   more types of music you listen to, the better it gets.

01:06:08   And it's not in the sense that because it recommends everything, it seems better.

01:06:15   But I feel like if you listen to more types of music, to more genres, you have the opportunity

01:06:20   of recommending all these crossovers, all these collaborations, and I feel like the

01:06:26   system becomes more clever when it knows that you're the kind of person who's not stuck

01:06:33   on a single genre.

01:06:35   And I don't know, I'm just very happy with what I get.

01:06:39   You know, the recommendations, the explanations of the playlist, like there's a little history

01:06:44   at the top that you can read, they feel really well made.

01:06:48   And it's the primary section that I open every day.

01:06:52   So this is the thing, I feel like for some reason it's working for some people, not for others.

01:06:56   So I figured I would just open Apple Music right now and take a look at it.

01:06:59   Right, so I've got a playlist by Apple Music Alternative called "I Wanna Be Yours"

01:07:05   and I've clicked into it and it's like indie, like slow jams and love songs.

01:07:10   and I've looked at the track list. There's a bunch of songs on here that I like so I'm probably going

01:07:15   to like some more so I've literally just added that to my library. There's an intro to Muse,

01:07:19   that'd be quite cool. There's a 2000s alternative workout mix so a bunch of my favorite type of indie

01:07:26   music from the 2000s period. Like quick stuff, I like the sound of that. I've just added that to my

01:07:32   my music, then I've got Oasis in here, Jay-Z, I have a Kanye West mix, Pulp Deep

01:07:40   Cuts, Intro to Biffy Claro, Green Day, The Verve, Paul Weller, like this is just like

01:07:45   all the music I want. Now I don't know if this helps but I followed a bunch of

01:07:52   stuff and curated a bunch of stuff in Connect. I don't know if

01:07:57   that's something that other people have done but like and then I what I also do

01:08:00   is if I find a group like Apple Music Alternative

01:08:05   that I like, I follow that.

01:08:07   And I'm getting lots of suggestions

01:08:10   from Apple Music Alternative,

01:08:12   and Alternative seems to have the majority of music

01:08:15   that I like, both rock music and indie music

01:08:19   and a bit of hip hop and stuff like that,

01:08:21   all thrown into the mix,

01:08:22   which I know is a bit peculiar as one big bucket,

01:08:26   but it fits my music taste really nicely.

01:08:30   And so I followed that, I followed a bunch of artists on Connect as well as subscribing to stuff.

01:08:34   And I have found that it has been absolutely fantastic for me.

01:08:41   Yeah, in my For You page right now, there's like Nine Inch Nails versus Soundgarden.

01:08:47   So it's, you know, this idea of mixing different artists in the same playlist.

01:08:51   Very interesting to me.

01:08:53   I have The Killers, Death Cab for Cutie, and then I have The Notorious B.I.G.

01:08:57   and Tyga and Jay-Z.

01:09:00   So a bunch of E-pop, Kanye West, and then more indie rock.

01:09:03   And there's Coldplay, Arcade Fire, Vampire Weekend.

01:09:08   So it's very punk rock.

01:09:10   I have the Simple Plan album from 2004.

01:09:13   I don't know.

01:09:14   How does he know that I like Simple Plan?

01:09:17   So yeah, it's very great mix for me.

01:09:23   I know that there's people like Dr. Dren at an article today about "For You" doesn't work

01:09:29   for me.

01:09:30   And I've seen many other people on Twitter saying that the "For You" tab is really not

01:09:37   giving them the music they want to listen to.

01:09:39   And I don't doubt it.

01:09:40   Like I'm sure it doesn't work for everyone, but maybe there's more stuff that you can

01:09:45   do to try and make it work.

01:09:47   Like you try and tune it, like using the heart functionality.

01:09:50   You can long tap, I don't know if people know this, long tap on a suggestion for you and

01:09:54   say "I don't like this".

01:09:58   Follow people in connect.

01:10:00   I don't know what it is.

01:10:02   Just listen to music.

01:10:03   I expect it's a combination of all of that stuff that helps kind of teach it.

01:10:08   Because you've got to kind of teach it.

01:10:11   And I think one of the reasons it's probably working so well for Federico is he was able

01:10:15   to bring all these beats history.

01:10:16   But I wasn't.

01:10:17   And it's still working great for me.

01:10:19   And I haven't really bought music in a long time so it's not even necessarily keeping

01:10:23   up with my iTunes purchases.

01:10:25   So it works really well for me, it works really well for Federico, but there are clearly people

01:10:31   it doesn't work for so maybe there is an element of needing to just kind of throw caution to

01:10:37   the wind and jump in and try and play around with it and see what comes out of it.

01:10:41   Maybe those people are wrong.

01:10:42   Just kidding.

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01:10:44   No, I'm just kidding.

01:10:45   You can say that.

01:10:46   No, no, no, no, I'm not.

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01:10:52   You're gonna get a blog post from Papa Drang again.

01:10:54   No, no, no, I was just kidding this time, please.

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01:13:39   So that time, maybe towards the end of the month, or the first of the month, I'm like

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01:13:48   And that was it, teletext.

01:13:49   So Federico has another Apple Watch.

01:13:52   So we've got that going on.

01:13:56   So this one is the Apple Watch, you know, the steel one.

01:14:00   It's a review unit, so it's not really mine, but I get to keep it for a while and I can

01:14:07   test it and I chose the Milaness loop because I really wanted to...

01:14:13   My reasoning was I want to try the band that's the most unique one.

01:14:20   And I was intrigued by the...

01:14:22   I remember the Milaness loop from the March event in San Francisco.

01:14:28   It was the one that I got to try.

01:14:31   And I was intrigued by the, you know,

01:14:33   I wanted to test the quality of the band in everyday life.

01:14:38   And I was also intrigued by the magnet, you know,

01:14:41   the strap, the way it works.

01:14:43   And so I'm the first week into this new Apple Watch.

01:14:48   Two thoughts.

01:14:51   - Just quickly, the reason that you have this

01:14:53   is because it's just gonna,

01:14:55   these have very recently gone on sale in Italy, right?

01:14:57   Yes, yes, it's an Italian review unit and I went to Milan last week and now I have this

01:15:05   Apple Watch.

01:15:06   Did you get the Milanese because you're in Milan?

01:15:10   Is that why?

01:15:13   Well, I didn't even think about this coincidence until a few people on Twitter told me, "Yeah,

01:15:19   of course you got the Milanese loop."

01:15:22   But no, I didn't really think about it.

01:15:23   I was like, I did have a choice, but this one, I immediately knew that I really wanted

01:15:32   to test this one.

01:15:35   So two thoughts.

01:15:38   The first one is that the Apple Watch seal looks much better to me than the Apple Watch

01:15:41   Sport that I got.

01:15:44   The black...

01:15:45   No, come on.

01:15:47   Come on.

01:15:48   I'm not having this...

01:15:49   Mmhmm.

01:15:50   Federico likes it, right?

01:15:52   No, that's the beauty.

01:15:53   What's going on here?

01:15:54   What are you fighting?

01:15:56   I was playing George Middle.

01:15:57   I was playing George Middle because I owned the steel.

01:15:59   So Steven is trying to claim victory that it's the best.

01:16:04   But it is the one that maybe you both prefer.

01:16:08   I have seen them, trying them on, seen a bunch of them,

01:16:11   seen all my friends with them.

01:16:13   I still, for me, prefer the look of the sport.

01:16:16   Yeah.

01:16:16   It's a personal taste thing.

01:16:17   You cannot claim categorical victory.

01:16:19   It's fine.

01:16:19   You're just wrong, Myke.

01:16:21   But it's fine.

01:16:22   - Myke was wrong, 2015.

01:16:25   Apparently Myke is neither right or wrong.

01:16:27   That's what I heard recently.

01:16:28   - Hashtag Myke is neutral.

01:16:30   That's the beauty of this product.

01:16:32   - It's another show.

01:16:34   - Yeah, you can pick what you want.

01:16:36   I, for instance, had tried a bunch of different bands

01:16:40   on the try on, I like the sport band

01:16:41   and the leather classic buckle, not everybody does.

01:16:43   That's one of the nice things about this.

01:16:47   Anyways, we derailed you Federico, sorry.

01:16:51   Yes.

01:16:52   You should be sorry.

01:16:54   How?

01:16:55   No, I'm joking.

01:16:56   I love you guys.

01:16:57   The thing, it's a very stupid reason why I prefer the Apple Watch Seal.

01:17:01   And that it, this is gonna sound so stupid, it's shiny.

01:17:05   Okay.

01:17:06   Yes.

01:17:07   I mean, we know that, right?

01:17:10   Yes.

01:17:11   And when I put the Apple Watch Seal on my wrist, I feel more, I feel better because

01:17:17   Because it's shiny and it's on my wrist and the sunlight reflects on the Apple Watch and

01:17:21   I think it makes it precious.

01:17:23   Like it makes it like a piece of jewelry instead of an Apple accessory on my body.

01:17:28   That makes sense.

01:17:29   But you already knew this.

01:17:31   Why did you go for the sport?

01:17:35   Because I wasn't sure about what I knew.

01:17:38   And then I get to try it and I'm like, yeah, I was wrong.

01:17:44   So next year I'm gonna get the Apple Watch still, for sure.

01:17:48   I mean if it continues to look this good, I just like it, you know, the way...

01:17:53   Like sometimes when I'm outside and I'm wearing the Apple Watch and I can see like the, you

01:17:58   know, the reflection on the still body, I think it looks great.

01:18:02   See whilst I still very much like the look of the aluminium, I have a bunch of scratches

01:18:08   on my screen.

01:18:10   Yeah, sapphire or get out.

01:18:13   Yeah, that's my annoyance right now.

01:18:17   But I mean, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give it a couple of months time and I'm just gonna go in and pay the £50 for AppleCare and get it replaced.

01:18:23   But...

01:18:25   Because I already have AppleCare so you pay the excess, right?

01:18:28   But it's like, "Ah, this is annoying."

01:18:30   But every watch I've ever had has had scratches on the face and when the screen is on I can't see them.

01:18:36   But it's gonna happen. Because I walk into things.

01:18:40   - Well, and likewise, the stainless steel body

01:18:43   picks up scratches and dings and--

01:18:45   - Yeah, see, I don't have scratches on the body,

01:18:47   I have scratches on the face.

01:18:49   I don't know what's worse.

01:18:50   - There's trade-offs with these, you know,

01:18:53   the materials they're using and,

01:18:55   but again, like you said, the screen,

01:18:58   like most stainless steel watches,

01:19:00   stainless steel anything, you know,

01:19:02   gets scratched and banged up and that sort of thing.

01:19:04   So it just comes with the territory,

01:19:06   depending on which model you get,

01:19:08   and you should expect some sort of wear and tear, I think.

01:19:10   - Yeah.

01:19:11   - So anyway, the second thought

01:19:16   was that the minimalist loop is very soft

01:19:18   and it's very comfortable and it's like,

01:19:20   I almost don't notice it.

01:19:22   I do notice it when it's pulling my hair.

01:19:27   - Oh, okay.

01:19:30   - It doesn't happen very often.

01:19:32   It just happens like once a day.

01:19:34   - It doesn't need to happen often,

01:19:36   but when it happens, you notice it.

01:19:37   Yeah, yes. So most of the time I thought, you know, the first day I was like, yeah,

01:19:44   this Apple Watch really feels heavier and the sport band was really like rubbery,

01:19:50   it was really soft. And then I got used to the Apple Watch and the weight difference,

01:19:56   it's not really a problem. The middleness is really soft. Sometimes it pulls my hair and

01:20:04   I don't know what the solution is, maybe I should shave my arm as people in the chatroom are saying.

01:20:09   Don't do that.

01:20:10   Yeah, I don't want to do that.

01:20:11   You don't need to do that, it's fine.

01:20:12   So I think maybe that's just a, you know, I mean, I should say, I haven't worn a watch,

01:20:22   let alone this type of watch bracelet in a decade. So it's probably normal that this type of bracelet

01:20:28   pulls your hair, you know, because it's just physics and you know.

01:20:33   you know, human beings and stuff.

01:20:38   It's no big deal.

01:20:39   I mean, it's not like it's killing me, you know.

01:20:42   It's just a hair.

01:20:44   I can live with that.

01:20:46   Just something that I didn't notice.

01:20:48   The Apple Watch itself, thinking about it, what's really democratic in a way is that

01:20:55   every Apple Watch works the same.

01:20:57   And that sounds obvious, but so many times in fashion when you buy the luxury or the

01:21:06   more expensive version of an object, it also gets more stuff.

01:21:11   You buy a bag that's more expensive and you get more pockets, or you get a different type

01:21:17   of, I don't know, of any kind of accessory that makes it better also functionally.

01:21:25   And inside the Apple Watch really the software is the same and it works the same way and

01:21:32   it looks different.

01:21:33   So like this is something that we talked about many times before but like going from the

01:21:38   Sport to the Seal one I appreciate like the way it looks different but also the way it

01:21:45   works the same.

01:21:47   And that may sound totally obvious but kind of came to my mind.

01:21:52   And now what I'm not sure about, because I was at the beach, do I want to work out

01:21:59   with the Milanese loop?

01:22:03   I feel like I don't want to, you know?

01:22:06   My worry would be that the magnet slips kind of down that band and before you know it your

01:22:11   watch is just loose.

01:22:12   I don't think it would come off all the way but I think it would definitely loosen.

01:22:17   I don't know.

01:22:18   Have you run with it?

01:22:19   Have you done anything with it?

01:22:20   Or has it just been a thought so far?

01:22:22   Yeah, I cannot run, so, you know.

01:22:26   So I do not.

01:22:27   No, no, like, my physical therapist tells me not to run, so.

01:22:32   It's not like it's a choice, it's an imposition.

01:22:36   What about gesturing wildly while podcasting?

01:22:39   Is it fun?

01:22:40   You know, it's been fine, it's been fine for that tonight.

01:22:42   Oh, that's good.

01:22:43   Good.

01:22:44   Yeah.

01:22:45   That's what people really want to know.

01:22:46   Yeah, yeah.

01:22:47   I still want to buy a Melanie's Loop.

01:22:49   It looks fantastic.

01:22:51   Yeah, but my feeling is like I would wear it rarely I think because I really like

01:22:57   the sport bands and I feel like I would only really want to wear that band for

01:23:01   like dressing nicely somewhere you know like and so like you know I'm just

01:23:06   nicely top of the millenia's on so I haven't bought it yet because I'm just

01:23:10   it's like a hundred and thirty pounds which isn't too expensive but it's still

01:23:16   expensive and considering I don't need it like I'm just gonna wait now until my

01:23:20   next America trip and just take advantage of the conversion and just buy

01:23:25   it there so like I still plan on getting it because my feeling is that the watch

01:23:30   band will last me a couple of years even if I change the watch that's that's my

01:23:35   feeling right is that the watch bands won't be obsolete on the next watch

01:23:40   revision mm-hmm that's my hope at least I think everybody's open there I think

01:23:46   That would be really surprising and extremely annoying.

01:23:55   I can accept the watch being replaced every couple of years or whatever but I would like

01:23:59   the bands to go at least two revisions would be my thought on that.

01:24:04   Anyway.

01:24:05   So I'm happy that you like it Federico because it's, you know, I've heard good reports, some

01:24:12   mixed but mainly good about about it but I also really trust your opinion so I'm

01:24:17   happy that you like it because it's making me feel like that that is

01:24:21   definitely an option that I want to I want to go with and I can live with the

01:24:24   mismatch on the on the lugs. I know that Steven can't but I can. I was gonna say I'm the same way too I bought the

01:24:31   the leather classic buckle which is not as nice as the Milanese but definitely

01:24:35   nicer than either of the sport bands that I own and I've only worn a band

01:24:39   Maybe twice and it's it's very comfortable. I like the way it looks like the way it feels but

01:24:43   again, it's sort of a dressier option and I really

01:24:48   Cannot say enough good things about the the sport band with the white and the black that I own are both great

01:24:53   they're they're different from each other, which is interesting but

01:24:56   Yeah, I agree if I had something nicer like I've thought about

01:25:00   You know, maybe not the Milanese I'm not a huge fan of that look but you know kind of halfway I'd the the big

01:25:08   metal what do they call it the you know yeah the link bracelet I was like I

01:25:14   would wear that three times a year and I can't justify it but it's nice again

01:25:19   like we're talking about the material it's nice to have options and that's

01:25:22   something that I think Apple has done very well with concerning the watch it

01:25:28   seemingly endless combinations of of how you not only can what bands you have but

01:25:33   the watch face and you can really make it your own.

01:25:36   I mean, to come across somebody with the exact same watch setup as you is,

01:25:41   you know, relatively rare at the, at this point.

01:25:44   My final comment on the, the steel with the Milaness loop is that people

01:25:50   definitely notice it more when I'm, when I'm out, like I can see people looking

01:25:55   at the watch more and like, especially compared to when I was wearing the Apple

01:26:01   watch sport. But still nobody has ever approached me like strangers. And I feel like when I

01:26:09   hear stories of people being approached by strangers, I feel like that's a thing we

01:26:15   won't experience here in Rome because everybody's really suspicious of everybody else. Like

01:26:22   I never myself experienced those types of moments of a stranger walking up to me and

01:26:28   saying, "Hey, is that the new Apple thing?" Unless it's a friend or someone who I know,

01:26:33   I never get the random stranger asking me about new Apple products. I feel like I'm missing out

01:26:39   on a type of fun experience, but people are always skeptical. They look behind their shoulder when

01:26:45   they're working here in Rome. No strangers asking about Apple products for me. It's quite sad.

01:26:55   I've even had that my watch came with the black sport band

01:26:58   But I bought the white one and even between just the two of those wearing the white sport band

01:27:03   Garners more attention again. Like you said I've only I've had a couple people actually ask me

01:27:07   Like a waiter and then some somebody sells you interact with somebody go is that the Apple watch?

01:27:13   I've liked the black or the darker colors just kind of blend in better where it's something bright especially shiny

01:27:19   Catches people's eye and in a different way

01:27:24   Yeah, I don't get as many people mention it. I also don't leave the house very much so

01:27:28   I think that might be part of the reason

01:27:31   You're not seeing anyone that can't ask you about your watch. It's not sad. I'm very happy. Very happy.

01:27:37   I'm happy for you, but you should leave the house sometimes.

01:27:42   I'm working on it.

01:27:43   Especially because allegedly it is a nice weather in London.

01:27:47   At least you said so. If you believe that you should get up more.

01:27:51   Except for our

01:27:54   misshapen sun

01:27:56   Exactly, you know you get half of the Sun, but that's fine. I mean half of the Sun is better than no Sun so

01:28:02   Go for it Myke

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01:28:26   online Federico is @VitiCi on Twitter and he writes over at

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01:28:38   am @imike. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of

01:28:43   Connected and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.

01:28:46   Arrivederci. Adios.