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0:00:07From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 31.
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0:00:26My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined as always by the co-founder of Relay FM and editor-in-chief
0:00:31of 512pixels.net, Mr. Steven Hackett. That sounded so official. I know, I like to do that now. I've
0:00:38decided I want to be official. And I'm also joined by the illustrious emperor of Macstories.net,
0:00:44Mr. Federico Vittucci. That's quite the introduction, Myke. Anytime. Hi, co-founders and
0:00:50editors-in-chief. Hi. And I am but a mere peon in this organization but I'm also
0:00:56happy to be here. You should be an editor and editor-in-chief of something Myke.
0:01:01Of my bedroom. Okay that makes sense. I mean it's good for you. Yes, yes it is indeed.
0:01:10This sounds weird, way weird. Let's just go straight into follow-up. That's good
0:01:16because we have a lot of follow-up this week. Up first we have some artwork
0:01:22who came to us over the Twitter social stream by Nicholas Ward and it is me
0:01:32saying that Myke was right. It's horrifying though. Okay so I'm just gonna
0:01:37say it can you explain this to me guys because I don't get it what is it?
0:01:40I'm guessing it's Star Wars related?
0:01:44It is. I am in the Darth Vader suit and Myke is Luke and he's holding me as I die.
0:01:51And it's a Star Wars reference.
0:01:54So Darth Vader is the bad guy.
0:01:56And you're the bad guy. And who's Myke?
0:02:00Luke Skywalker.
0:02:02And like it's his son, right?
0:02:05Yeah. Yes. Spoiler alert. 30 years later.
0:02:09But yes for the one person that is remaining listening. Thank you
0:02:13Is this like is this supposed to be funny?
0:02:16Because I mean there's your faces that that's funny
0:02:20But like I don't get it is this like a scene from the movie
0:02:25It has to be a scene from the movie. Yes, they it is
0:02:29the redemption of Darth Vader on his deathbed
0:02:32Does he say I love you before dying
0:02:39What does he say? I don't say that to each other. In theory I should be Darth Vader.
0:02:45Yeah, you're definitely taller than I am so. Well no because like I am redeemed.
0:02:52Oh yeah, try again Nicholas.
0:02:57Moving on we talked last week about HBO Now, which is how Apple led off their keynote slash
0:03:08commercial for Game of Thrones event last week
0:03:10Mm-hmm, and I wanted to point out that on rocket last week episode 9
0:03:15They had a really great conversation about HBO now Christina Warren is very knowledgeable about everything it turns out but especially about HBO and
0:03:24It's really a really great conversation into their business model and some theories about why this is happening now
0:03:31Yeah, cuz it turns out Christina was in a documentary about HBO
0:03:34Which is the most meta thing in the world, I think but super awesome nice piece of follow-out there Steven to follow out
0:03:42We have some more follow-out later. Okay, which is the term that some guy made up
0:03:47We had a question
0:03:50The a tweet came in from listener Matt
0:03:53asking if we thought Apple was getting 30% of the HBO now fees and
0:04:00And I would normally say yes, because Apple's drawn a real strong line in the sand with
0:04:06very famously the Amazon ebook deal and some other things where they've taken 30% out of everything.
0:04:12But who knows what Apple had to do to get this? We talked last week about how it was super weird
0:04:18that Tim Cook was like, "This is the TV you should watch." So it would not surprise me if Apple is
0:04:23not taking 30%. Or maybe to take 30% that this is what they had to do.
0:04:29Yeah, I mean who knows? Like there's any number of situations could have gone
0:04:35down. So I mean even a rocket they're talking about you know it's very likely
0:04:40that that Apple paid HBO for this deal and so maybe they paid them a lump sum
0:04:46and they're making their you know trying to make the money back on Apple TV
0:04:49hardware sales or just trying to elevate that brand. It's very unusual for Apple
0:04:55to do what it did on stage so I think because of that like there's no telling
0:05:00what happened behind the scenes. I thought was just an interesting question.
0:05:05Yeah he is. We have some very important safety related follow-up Federico so
0:05:10this is for you. So a friend of the show and of all humanity Seth Clifford
0:05:16wrote in and was talking about the clapper and he sort of tweet stormed us
0:05:20so there's like I think there's like four tweets in here and he talks about
0:05:25how the clapper has a sensitivity dial and so it you could get a situation
0:05:29where if you buy a clapper to turn your router on and off like we spoke about a
0:05:33couple weeks ago that if you set that dial too high like walking across the
0:05:37floor might be enough to turn your router on and off in quick succession
0:05:41which is not super great for the router so I just wanted you to be careful yeah
0:05:48I don't want you to burn your house down with your router catching fire
0:05:53sounds like a really bad idea. Or a great idea. To burn my house? No that would be bad.
0:06:02But I think some sort of like it could be like a fitness thing you know talked
0:06:07about like encouraging fitness you could do jumping jacks to get the internet to
0:06:10work. I mean but can you imagine me clapping or jumping while my girlfriend
0:06:15is sleeping to turn the router off? I mean she would be she would be upset
0:06:21because like I know I don't know I kind of like the idea of the clapper in
0:06:25general like you know so fancy you clap your hands and you do stuff I don't know
0:06:32I kind of wish I could do you know clapping gestures for for iOS and OS
0:06:3710 like I could do Skype and it does stuff you know I don't be great that
0:06:43would be awesome or I mean really I mean why stop there you get you could hook the
0:06:50clap rope to almost anything in your house. I mean you could you could have it
0:06:53where you had a kettle to boil water, you know electric kettle, and then you clap
0:06:57and you're like coffee time and the water gets hot.
0:07:00Is there a clapper IFTTT channel that I can plug into?
0:07:08Maybe you could use the M7 and just clap two iPhones together.
0:07:13That's also not a good idea.
0:07:16That's going to get expensive.
0:07:18and also potentially dangerous for the iPhones.
0:07:21- No, you can't use those two phones.
0:07:22They're my clapping phones, you know?
0:07:25If you're a day clapper and you're a night clapper.
0:07:29- Yeah, I'm not a fancy business person with two phones.
0:07:33Well, I mean, actually I have two phones right now.
0:07:36(laughing)
0:07:38But I'm giving this one away in just a few days.
0:07:41- You're not giving it away, you're giving it back.
0:07:43- I'm giving it back.
0:07:44I'm giving it back.
0:07:45- Please don't give it away.
0:07:47I'm giving it back to the owners of the phone.
0:07:52So for the past few weeks I've had two phones.
0:07:55It's just been temporary,
0:07:57not a business lifestyle decision.
0:08:00- So I would like to provide a correction
0:08:03in the direction of Stephen Hackett.
0:08:06And this came to us from listener of the show, Ian.
0:08:09And Ian wanted to point out that there is actually
0:08:13a buy to order, bill to order option on the MacBook
0:08:16in that you can turbo-charge the CPU, if you would like to.
0:08:24What do you have to say about this?
0:08:26It bumps it to, what, 1.3 GHz from 1.1 or 1.2?
0:08:29Yes.
0:08:30I mean, not...
0:08:31It's not radically better.
0:08:37Can you repeat this slowly for me, guys?
0:08:39Okay, so you can buy, as standard with the new MacBook, you can buy either a 1.2 GHz
0:08:46or 1.1 GHz Intel Core M processor. However, you can select to have that turbocharged,
0:08:55well, you can turbocharged it another way, I'm being silly, I should actually say it
0:09:00correctly. You can have it like increase, you can get a more powerful CPU at 1.3 GHz
0:09:06instead of 1.1 or 1.2 if you would so desire.
0:09:10- How much dollars is that?
0:09:12- They don't say.
0:09:13- Oh.
0:09:14- A thousand.
0:09:16- That's probably inaccurate.
0:09:17- Doesn't sound like a big deal.
0:09:18Is 0.1 gigahertz a big difference, guys?
0:09:22I don't know. - No, no.
0:09:23- It might be more of a difference
0:09:25if you're starting at 1.1 in the first place,
0:09:28but probably not that much of a difference.
0:09:30- So, who is that?
0:09:35Thank you Ian for the correction.
0:09:37Yes, I had that wrong.
0:09:40When I was looking at this, I noticed on the site, you know we spoke about last week, when
0:09:45you go to order a MacBook, it's like an iPad where you pick your color and your size, or
0:09:50speed in this case, and there's a little helper text about what SSD I should buy, and this
0:09:56page, this text might be on other pages on Apple's site, I didn't search for it, but
0:10:02But I thought it was really interesting the way that they distinguish if you should buy
0:10:06the 256 or the 512 gig SSD.
0:10:10This is what Apple says, if you prefer to store most of your files like music, photos
0:10:14and movies on iCloud, then the smaller storage size may be a good choice for you.
0:10:19For people who like to store most of those files on their Mac, the larger capacity is
0:10:23probably the right fit.
0:10:24Be sure to consider how your storage needs may change over time.
0:10:28really good advice but I couldn't help but chuckle at the just iCloud being like
0:10:33the only other the only alternative right if I have a small disk the only
0:10:37other places I can put things is iCloud it just kind of made me chuckle like I
0:10:42don't I'm in the process of playing with iCloud photos and that sort of thing but
0:10:47yes so I just I don't know if the if there's a consumer that exists that is
0:10:51savvy enough to put all of their documents and movies and music and
0:10:54iCloud but also wants to save the couple hundred bucks and get the smaller SSD.
0:11:01Is any of that sort of appealing to you guys?
0:11:03Store everything on iCloud and just pull it down when you need it?
0:11:06Not right now.
0:11:08I assume eventually, yes.
0:11:11But not right now.
0:11:13Yeah I mean I'm so dependent on Dropbox for a lot of work documents.
0:11:21I mean I do use Unpay for like, I switched to the higher iCloud pricing plan, I'm paying
0:11:28like 4 euros now.
0:11:30I do like it for basic syncing and photos of course.
0:11:36But you know all my files and folders and Dropbox, I don't know, feel kinda uncomfortable
0:11:43throwing all my eggs in iCloud.
0:11:46Yeah I don't know what it is.
0:11:47I have this weird mental block which is the exact opposite.
0:11:51I think to myself, "Oh, I want to have it in Dropbox because it will be available everywhere,"
0:11:56when in theory that's exactly what iCloud should be doing.
0:12:00I think a big part of my personal fear is two factors.
0:12:05One, there's no website.
0:12:09Dropbox gives me the idea of being more open because if anything goes wrong with my machines,
0:12:14I can go to the web, to the website, and I have the files from any web browser.
0:12:19Yep, and you can only get a small selection of them on the iCloud website as well, can't you?
0:12:23Exactly. And two, Dropbox is super upfront in like, you can have file versions, you can recover deleted files.
0:12:34Like, I know that if I'm stupid and I do something that I'm not supposed to do, I can revert my changes.
0:12:40Yep.
0:12:41In iCloud, it's like a black box.
0:12:43Yeah, and that's by design, but that just doesn't work for me and you and Steven.
0:12:48I want them more control. I actually quite like the idea that it's on all the
0:12:52machines that's connected to Dropbox. All those files are there as well as being
0:12:56in the cloud. It's all there, you know? And then I think to myself,
0:13:01everything that's in my Dropbox in a weird way is also backed up to my time
0:13:05machine as well. Yeah, because it's... I mean, and that's true for iCloud
0:13:09documents as well if they're local but say that you upload everything to photos
0:13:14and then you check that box and say optimize the storage on my Mac and so
0:13:20you don't have you know you only have a subset of files or you know just
0:13:24thumbnails locally and so it's it gets a little more gray about what is
0:13:28actually on my computer. You know iTunes match has the same problem to a degree.
0:13:32It's definitely interesting I think you know we're in this transition
0:13:36where things like iCloud and maybe even Dropbox will become more universally
0:13:42used. I mean I think I think Dropbox has a really good usage rate in people like
0:13:45us but I think if you go outside of people who listen to tech podcasts I
0:13:50don't know what Dropbox's you know utilization is like. So I think we'll get
0:13:56there. I think that that language of like you know get the smaller SSD if you want
0:14:01iCloud. What's really the most ironic to me about that is that SSD prices are
0:14:07falling and you can get bigger SSDs now than ever, while companies are also
0:14:12saying use cloud storage instead. So it's kind of this weird mishmash of messaging
0:14:18because I mean I could go you know the 512 SSD is not that much money and
0:14:22that's enough storage for most people at least on a consumer laptop. And so it's
0:14:27like we're ramping up all these cloud services you can put everything in the
0:14:31cloud you can do everything magically over wireless but in two years you're
0:14:36gonna have a big disk again anyway so it's sort of a odd thing to me.
0:14:42Okey-dokey. What else do we have? What else do we have? We have... I had a little
0:14:51more follow-out about the USB C connector so you and Jason were speaking
0:14:57upgrade yesterday about, you know, we're going to go back to this world of you
0:15:04gotta have all these weird video adapters to hook up to things and that
0:15:07that sort of feeling and Jason expressed that you know maybe we the world had
0:15:11solidified around me to display port to a degree and I spend a lot of time in
0:15:18conference rooms that aren't my own like just in meetings with companies around
0:15:22town and I could tell you that VGA is still what rules the world. If you're
0:15:27lucky you get DVI or you get HDMI but as a Mac owner you are still nine times out
0:15:33of ten adapting out to something else anyways even on a thunderbolt or may
0:15:37display port machine so I don't think that the idea at least in like the video
0:15:42world that the MacBook is a bigger pain than previous machines holds up.
0:15:46Obviously it's a pain in the butt to have an adapter so you can plug in a USB
0:15:50key like that's sort of ridiculous until some USB C drives come out but the
0:15:56The thought around the video adapting in particular is kind of what jumped out at me, that I've
0:16:01been a Mac user, a portable Mac user for a long time, and I've always had to carry adapters,
0:16:05and that's just the way it is.
0:16:08It's sad.
0:16:09I mean, I have like eight adapters in my bag.
0:16:11It's ridiculous.
0:16:12Have you ever thought about the fact that all these standards and all these ports, their
0:16:19names sound like television networks?
0:16:22Yeah, because they're all abbreviations.
0:16:25Have you watched the new show on VGA?
0:16:27[laughter]
0:16:29I don't know.
0:16:31Oh no, no, I'm gonna catch it when it goes to HDMI.
0:16:33[laughter]
0:16:35So yeah, I don't have
0:16:37serious thoughts on
0:16:39VGA and TBI.
0:16:41But I agree with Steven, in
0:16:43general. He seems very
0:16:45knowledgeable about this. About adaptables.
0:16:47Yeah.
0:16:49I do a lot of adapting. I'm
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0:19:28We have a topic zero this week sent in by Danny on Twitter.
0:19:33Daniel, excuse me, Daniel.
0:19:37Daniel asked what watch apps we are looking forward to.
0:19:43And then he challenged us to follow up in six months, which I guess we can do that.
0:19:48It's actually a really interesting question.
0:19:53So what about you, Myke?
0:19:54Why don't you lead us off?
0:19:57So when we first posed this question, or when I first saw it in the document, I was like,
0:20:01I don't know.
0:20:03So I went and took a look at the webpage Apple have created, the App Store apps page for
0:20:09the Apple Watch.
0:20:10And I was looking through it and I was like, these all seem kind of interesting, I guess.
0:20:16But this type of stuff, and we spoke about it before, I feel like a lot of these kinds
0:20:20of things, you have to really, truly understand the use case of the watch.
0:20:26So like in general I was thinking some stuff that might be cool and they have an example
0:20:30of this and this isn't an app that I use but I imagine how I could use something like this
0:20:34for the stuff that I do.
0:20:35So Procreate have got a little companion watch app which brings up little tool buttons so
0:20:42you can like change your tool palettes.
0:20:45So maybe you want to use like an eraser tool or like a pencil tool and you can tap it on
0:20:51your watch and then use it.
0:20:52Now I'm thinking how cool it would be when I'm editing a podcast to just tap my watch
0:20:57to pause it or something like that, which I do quite a lot because I need to go in and
0:21:01do something.
0:21:02There are little things like that where I'm like, "That could be quite interesting to
0:21:05use."
0:21:06And I hope that Apple will make something like that for Logic Pro because they made
0:21:10an iPad app.
0:21:11They made a companion iPad app which does that stuff.
0:21:14And then I started thinking about what apps have I seen that I'm interested in.
0:21:17I like the idea of having OmniFocus.
0:21:20I've seen that OmniFocus are gonna be having
0:21:23like a kind of a quick kind of dashboard view
0:21:25of what's going on in your world,
0:21:27which I think looks really interesting.
0:21:29And I think about maybe, I haven't seen it,
0:21:32I don't know if they're working on one,
0:21:33something like Fantastical in the same kind of way.
0:21:36'Cause I was thinking, you know,
0:21:36if I look at my notification center,
0:21:40there are things that I really like there.
0:21:42I did think, what about a world clock app?
0:21:44If there is not a world clock app,
0:21:46if there are not a thousand world clock apps
0:21:49for the Apple Watch and someone has horrifically failed.
0:21:52Because that's the obvious one.
0:21:55And then I guess from there it's kind of like,
0:21:58I'm kind of gonna wait and see.
0:22:00'Cause all the things that they showed on stage,
0:22:02I thought were really cool.
0:22:03Like Shazam I thought was quite a clever use.
0:22:07Stuff like, I don't know,
0:22:09the hotel room stuff looked really cool.
0:22:12So I'm really excited to see,
0:22:14but for me it's kind of like,
0:22:15what kind of products, what kind of apps can there be
0:22:18that take advantage of just interesting tidbits of information.
0:22:24That's what I'm really excited about.
0:22:26The Shazam demo from the event from last week, it was really cool.
0:22:31Yeah, I think that might have been the most impressive third-party app, because the way
0:22:35it showed the lyrics!
0:22:36Yeah, I mean, the people were going crazy in the audience.
0:22:40It was like, "Oh man, this is awesome," you know?
0:22:42I'm just thinking, like, all the times that I'm trying to recognize a song, and because
0:22:50I have to pick up my iPhone and unlock the iPhone, find Shazam, and then, you know, do
0:22:55the actual recognition.
0:22:56So many times I lost a song, like when I was in a store or during a TV show, and, you know,
0:23:03to have that on my wrist, I mean, there's probably the same concern of having to find,
0:23:09the Shazam icon on the home screen of the watch, but I think it'll be faster. I don't know,
0:23:13I just think it'll be faster. Probably because it's always there on your wrist.
0:23:16So I've been thinking about the same kind of thing, like will it be quicker or not?
0:23:20And I don't know yet. I don't know yet. But in general, I think I'm excited about, you know,
0:23:26this kind of new lifestyle apps from the from the Apple web page. There's a Lifesum, which is the
0:23:36the app that I use to track my calories, the food that I eat, and just in general to have
0:23:42a daily breakdown of my calorie intake, they're going to have an Apple Watch app that shows
0:23:50you a very simple interface with colored graphs for how many calories are left in your day,
0:23:59water, how much water you've drank so far, and I think exercise time.
0:24:07So that's kind of cool, because it uses the glanceability of the watch to show you information
0:24:14that's not too complex and that makes sense to have on your wrist.
0:24:18And also, I'm excited, I think, about the media consumption aspect.
0:24:26I know that Marco is making an overcast version for the watch.
0:24:31And of course music, both from Apple and also music streaming from Spotify.
0:24:36I'm just assuming that they're going to have a watch app.
0:24:39Because I don't know if I'll have to buy Bluetooth earbuds
0:24:45or if I'm just going to keep my phone in my pocket
0:24:48and have the earbuds going with the cable into my pocket.
0:24:51pocket because I'm just so excited about the idea of controlling music from my watch, just
0:24:57to pause and play, to skip directly from my wrist.
0:25:00And of course, while I was compiling my list of watch apps that I'm looking forward to,
0:25:07Google Maps, because I'm still learning my way around Rome, there's many areas of Rome
0:25:14that I don't know really well, and I use Google Maps because I think it's more accurate for
0:25:19Italy for Rome in general maybe. So I wanna see what Google does, you know with Google
0:25:25Maps with notifications on your wrist. Kinda excited about this. And last, my to-do list,
0:25:32with to-do list, I know they're making an Apple Watch version and I know that I said
0:25:38I don't wanna have iPhone apps on my watch, I wanna have new stuff on my watch, I wanna
0:25:47try apps that really kind of rethink their sort of purpose on the watch. But I mean the
0:25:53idea of being able to check off my tasks directly from the watch is kind of cool, you know?
0:25:59Yeah I like the sound of that too.
0:26:01To dictate items directly into my kind of James Bond style into the watch is kind of
0:26:08awesome. So I want to try that.
0:26:11I'm not interested in any games though, there's a few games on this page and I don't know
0:26:15why there's games but fine. I definitely agree with what you guys said things
0:26:22like being reminded you know discreetly of a task that's due is gonna be is
0:26:27gonna be big I think I'm excited even though it's not a third party I'm excited
0:26:32about the built-in stuff with messaging so you know if someone sends me something
0:26:37I can just reply very quickly I think that's gonna be be a nice especially you
0:26:44know if you've got your hands full or something or you know with the family I
0:26:48can just quickly do something and get back to it. I think that's sort of where
0:26:52I'm excited not so much about like the type of app at this point but what those
0:26:57apps could do as far as speeding things up. I do think that I will start out with
0:27:02a relatively small number of apps and my plan is to add kind of as things come up
0:27:07and not so much about let me find a counterpart for everything that's on my
0:27:10iPhone like I want to ease into it. Something like Dark Sky might be
0:27:17really really nice but is that you're necessarily you know on the wrist I
0:27:23don't know I think time will sort of tell with me as far as how far down
0:27:26that road I go. Yeah I'm listening to that I know I'm not gonna do this but I
0:27:31would really like to just kind of just learn what it can do first yeah before
0:27:37before adding things but I know I'm just gonna like run to the App Store.
0:27:40Well you're gonna learn what it does by downloading apps. I mean it's like...
0:27:46No but like learn what Apple has made rather than trying to replace it. Like you know
0:27:51looking for a calendar app, looking for messaging apps, looking for you know a
0:27:55fitness app, looking for you know all those things like trying to find
0:27:59Google Maps straight away rather than using Apple Maps and you know because
0:28:03Because I think Apple Maps will only have the left/right tapping thing.
0:28:10Maybe, possible, yeah.
0:28:12So I want to try all that stuff.
0:28:14For sure, yeah.
0:28:16I get the argument, I want to see Apple's first party apps first.
0:28:21That was all we had with the iPhone.
0:28:23True, yeah.
0:28:24I'm so excited about the messaging, like Steven said, and the fitness application.
0:28:28I wanna like big for you know all this health up on the iPhone and I wanna yeah I mean I
0:28:39wanna do the same with the new fitness app I wanna unlock all the badges and start tracking
0:28:45my progress in the fitness app.
0:28:47That's coming to the iPhone too right?
0:28:49It's coming to the iPhone once you pair with an Apple watch you're going to have the fitness
0:28:54app on I think already on iOS 8.2. It's just automatically unlocked once you have a watch.
0:29:02But I'm also kind of... I want to know... I have two questions. First, if I have the same app,
0:29:08both on my phone and on my watch, and a notification comes in, do I get the notification
0:29:14on both devices, or just on the watch? I'm very interested in this too. Like, how does that happen?
0:29:19because I don't want that to happen.
0:29:20I don't want to hear two sounds for sure.
0:29:23My second question is all these fitness apps for the iPhone,
0:29:27I mean they're able to write active calories into the health app for the iPhone.
0:29:34So for instance today I had my FitStar workout and I have 98 active calories in my health app.
0:29:42What's going to happen with the new fitness app?
0:29:45are they going to add minutes of exercise
0:29:49to the fitness app through native APIs?
0:29:52I'm kind of confused by this.
0:29:54There's going to be the health app,
0:29:56there's going to be the fitness app,
0:29:57and I wanna know what's gonna happen basically,
0:30:00because I don't wanna be in the scenario
0:30:03where there's an app that writes data into the health app
0:30:06and there's the fitness app, which is separate.
0:30:08I'm kind of confused by third-party app compatibility.
0:30:12So many questions left.
0:30:14But it's coming up in a month, right?
0:30:18Like, in about a month, yeah.
0:30:21I'm also considering, do I have to go to France or to Germany or to London to get a watch?
0:30:30Because it's not coming to Italy first.
0:30:32Oh, is it not?
0:30:34Nope.
0:30:35See you in London, buddy.
0:30:36Oh, man.
0:30:37I mean, you've done that with the iPad and iPhone, right?
0:30:42gone or had or ordered one and had it shipped to you that sort of thing
0:30:46yeah yeah but it's more I'm guessing it's more difficult with the with the
0:30:50watch you know because of sizes and the bands I mean I do want to try one before
0:30:55it's not like a phone that you I mean I know the phone I know the color the
0:30:59model the size and it's just the phone a watch because it's something that you
0:31:03wear I cannot say hey friend from France can you go to the Apple Store for me and
0:31:08pick up a watch for me and ship it to me to Italy I mean it's different and
0:31:13then I should come up with a plan soon I think. If you want to pay my airfare I'll
0:31:19bring one for you. Yeah I'm just gonna pay the arrival flight to Rome and then
0:31:27you'll be stuck. Then I'm on my own. Yeah I mean if history says anything is he won't visit you
0:31:32while he's there he's just gonna drop the watch off and leave. That would be
0:31:35That would be so Myke. You're just gonna put the watch in my mailbox and return home.
0:31:42That's terrible. Yeah, it's interesting. I think I remember when the app store rolled
0:31:50out in 2008, kind of the anticipation that came with that of what could I do on my phone?
0:31:57And I had some web apps, like there was a Twitter web app that someone had done that
0:32:01was pretty decent and a couple other things like Google Reader had a you know
0:32:05it was responsive and I had some like really core tasks that I knew that I
0:32:09wanted apps for on day one. I bet you had remember the milk too didn't you? I did
0:32:13because that's what I was using at the time. They...jokes. It's only six months until he goes back to it again.
0:32:24Yeah, yeah for sure. Every now and then. So I had web apps and I knew they were native apps I wanted to
0:32:30find, you know, replacements and do something native. But I think about that
0:32:36core functionality and those things Twitter, RSS, that's you know to do, that's
0:32:41sort of what I'm still doing on my phone. But at the same time there are whole
0:32:45categories of things that weren't possible as web apps that you know now
0:32:49my phone can do all sorts of things that you know I
0:32:53couldn't imagine in 2008. I think some of that magic is gone here because we
0:32:59kind of know, well we definitely know what smartphones do, and we kind of know
0:33:03what smartwatches can do, but I think maybe not with WatchKit, but maybe when
0:33:07the full SDK is out, I wonder what kind of things that we can't really think of
0:33:13today are going to show up on these things that will be, you know, mission
0:33:17critical to us in a year or two year or three years into the watch. And that's
0:33:22exciting to me, you know, to think about what the possibilities are. I think any
0:33:27app, you know kind of to back up to y'all's point a second ago, I think any
0:33:32app has to solve or answer the question of why do I exist on the watch and not
0:33:36just the phone like what makes it better about it being on the wrist. I think
0:33:40developers really need to think about that and I think apps to succeed will
0:33:47succeed in part because they do something that is better because it's on
0:33:51the wrist because it's always on you. You know if your phone's in your pocket or
0:33:53if your phone is in the other room and you just have your watch on, you know,
0:33:59what sort of opportunities that presents, I think that like it's gonna be a really
0:34:03fun place to watch over the next couple years. I say we're at least six months
0:34:08out from from even the beginnings of that. I think so too, I mean I think I
0:34:13think honestly I think a lot of it is the watch kit kind of defines what sort
0:34:16of apps you can build. I think if once the fuller SDK is out I think that'll be
0:34:20sort of that explosion in new ideas.
0:34:25- I'm just thinking from the perspective of people
0:34:27don't understand the device yet,
0:34:29'cause they don't have-- - Oh yeah, no.
0:34:30- But yeah, that's totally true.
0:34:32That like once we get more apps,
0:34:35like that's gonna, once we get more capability for apps,
0:34:38that's gonna change things even further.
0:34:41- Yeah, but it'll be fun.
0:34:43- You know what I think is going to be different?
0:34:45I think it's the way that people will see you
0:34:49with the first generation Apple watch as an early adopter will ask you to check it out.
0:34:56Basically like when the first iPhone came out or when the iPad came out and you use
0:35:01one in public, people were like, "Hey, that's an iPhone or that's an iPad.
0:35:06Can I try it?"
0:35:07And I think it'll be different with the watch for two reasons because Apple is so much popular
0:35:12now and I think more people know what Apple is doing.
0:35:16And second, because it's something that you wear, it'll be strange for others to say,
0:35:21"Hey, can I try it?"
0:35:22Because I mean, it's your watch.
0:35:23Yeah, you'd have to take it off and give it to them.
0:35:26Yeah.
0:35:27I mean, it's like going to somebody and say, "Oh, nice shirt.
0:35:29Can I try it?"
0:35:30I mean, in that scenario, I would show people.
0:35:33Yeah.
0:35:34But you know, so many times I just handed my iPhone or my iPad over to someone else
0:35:40and be like, "Yeah, sure.
0:35:42Just try it."
0:35:43with the watch it's different.
0:35:45- That's a good point.
0:35:47I do think though, I do think it will jump out more,
0:35:50you know, 'cause people were already doing things
0:35:52on handheld devices.
0:35:54Most people don't do things on their wrist now.
0:35:56So I think there will be a period of time
0:35:59where it's strange and that, you know,
0:36:02you might feel self-conscious if you're in a waiting room
0:36:04doing something on your watch,
0:36:06but I do think it will have a broader knowledge,
0:36:11kind of, you know, Apple's starting out
0:36:12is a much bigger company than they were in 2007.
0:36:16Something that I'm really looking forward to, I remember when I got the iPhone and I
0:36:19got the iPad and I would find these cool little things that it did and I would demonstrate
0:36:22them to friends and family. Like, look at this thing! Look at what it does!
0:36:27So in private you do mic tips.
0:36:30Yeah, mic tips. It's all about mic tips around here. But you know, if it does a thing, like
0:36:36you find it does a thing, and you're impressed by it, like the page flipping in iBooks. You
0:36:42like these little interesting things that it does that you think are really
0:36:45cool and you want to show them to other people. I'm looking forward, I am very
0:36:49much looking forward to just a very basic level having a brand new Apple
0:36:52product like that really excites me. So is your is your girlfriend Myke
0:36:58getting a watch? She is actually. Oh yeah? Yeah she wants one. Which model? She'll
0:37:05probably go... she wants to see them. Edition? Yeah she's going in edition.
0:37:10and I'm going bankrupt no she's thinking about 38 millimeter naturally she's yeah
0:37:17she's quite small and she's thinking she's gonna get sport most likely but
0:37:21she doesn't know what bad yet she she will probably wait until she can go and
0:37:25try one on probably like won't pre-order but but she is very much in session get
0:37:30one and I want her to get one as well because there are so many when I look at
0:37:35and the reason that she wants one is I showed her the communication stuff and
0:37:38She's very interested in that.
0:37:39- You just wanna send her the heartbeat.
0:37:41- Yeah, I do, I do.
0:37:43- You're so sweet.
0:37:44- Thank you, that's someone to you too.
0:37:46And she likes that, and she likes the idea,
0:37:50the same as I do of us having that kind of communication.
0:37:52'Cause we have, as many couples do,
0:37:55we have our own kind of languagey type.
0:37:59And so we send just simple words to each other
0:38:03throughout the day just to kind of keep that connection.
0:38:06And I think that it's gonna be so much more different
0:38:10for us not to actually send those words anymore,
0:38:12but to send pictures and send taps and things like that.
0:38:15I think that that is gonna be big
0:38:18in the way that we communicate.
0:38:19Because so much of the conversation that we have,
0:38:22there isn't much, we're not having the conversation
0:38:27to have a conversation, it's just we're exchanging words
0:38:30to keep in contact.
0:38:32And I think us sharing contact in that way
0:38:36is gonna make the device quite powerful.
0:38:38And I think she clearly sees that,
0:38:39which is why she wants one,
0:38:41because she's not, she's interested in technology,
0:38:45but up until like six months ago,
0:38:47she was using an iPhone 4S,
0:38:49and now she has my old iPhone 5.
0:38:51She's not that, she doesn't feel the need
0:38:55for the new devices, but she wants that, so.
0:38:58- Yeah, I think that's a great point.
0:39:01The communication between a couple,
0:39:06you know, you have your own language and little, little... it's like little family memes in a way,
0:39:12like stuff that only makes sense to you. And I think for me, I was listening to you and
0:39:19basically every time we record the show, while there's a break, I ask my girlfriend who's in
0:39:26the other room to usually to either bring me coffee, so an espresso or some water,
0:39:32you know, stuff like that. And I'm thinking now, what if we had a watch and I could just, you know,
0:39:37during the show double tap the watch and she gets a double tap and she knows that it's supposed to
0:39:41mean like, "Can I get an espresso please?" You know, that kind of rapid and private communication.
0:39:48I think it's actually a great point. And I don't remember if it was from the from the Apple event
0:39:54or from the BuzzFeed video that they made, but it was like there was someone who was saying just
0:40:00exactly this point. I can send my friend a tap or a sketch and she knows what I mean.
0:40:07And I think that will be huge for people.
0:40:09Yeah, I've seen a lot of people criticize that Buzzfeed video, but I really liked it.
0:40:13No, it was great. It was awesome.
0:40:14I really liked it.
0:40:15Yeah. Yeah.
0:40:16So, I'll put that in the show notes in case people haven't seen it. Stephen Hackett, where
0:40:20can people find the show notes?
0:40:22You can visit our website in your web browser. The web page is www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed.
0:40:29relay.fm/connected/31
0:40:34Excellent stuff.
0:40:353-1.
0:40:36Now, I took a field trip yesterday and I want to tell you guys all about it, but before that,
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0:41:32Do you know what I really like?
0:41:33A lot of these apps they have you save a signature and you just apply it and you can do that
0:41:40but I like that I can sign on my trackpad and I enjoy it and I do it every time.
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0:42:14to copy and paste that into other apps. That is like mind-blowing. You can also
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0:42:49this show and relay FM. So I was in town yesterday and I was close to Covent
0:42:55Garden and I figured I would pop in to the Apple Store to try full-stutch
0:43:00because I figured that they would have the new MacBook Pros, the updated MacBook
0:43:05Pros with the full-stutch trackpad in them. So I went into the store and I will
0:43:10backtrack to that in a moment and I walked over to the MacBook stand. There
0:43:14was nothing immediately obvious to tell me which had false touch and which didn't.
0:43:21So I went to the 13 inch renders and I turned it on, so I clicked it and assumed that I
0:43:30was on an old one because it just felt like normal.
0:43:34And then I went to system preferences and it had a new little checkbox and some trackpad
0:43:39sensitivity stuff.
0:43:40So I was like "hmm, okay".
0:43:42And then I looked at the little iPad that was next to it and it scrolled around like
0:43:45on its little demo wheel to tell me about Force Touch.
0:43:49And my brain I think dripped out of my ears at that point.
0:43:53This thing is insane.
0:43:55Like Federico you've used this right?
0:43:57You've talked about it last week.
0:44:00Force Touch is one of the weirdest things I have ever come into contact with on an Apple
0:44:05computer.
0:44:06It is like voodoo magic.
0:44:09It is freaky.
0:44:10It's so strange.
0:44:12I cannot understand what they're doing.
0:44:15All I know is it's terrifying me
0:44:17because it feels like it's fundamentally breaking my brain
0:44:21because these force touch track pads feel,
0:44:25like it's not even like, oh kind of,
0:44:27they feel exactly the same, if not better,
0:44:30because you can click like with the same,
0:44:33and it feels like you're activating the click
0:44:35in the same pressure all over the place, right?
0:44:37Where like, if you, if I click in,
0:44:40I actually can't click the top left of my trackpad
0:44:43on my MacBook Pro, but you can do that on these
0:44:48because it's not giving any travel.
0:44:50I cannot even.
0:44:51It's insane.
0:44:54I also tried out the, like how you can press hard down
0:44:58to like open quick look.
0:45:00I couldn't get this to work 100% of the time,
0:45:02but I think I was doing something wrong.
0:45:04I feel like you could need to adjust,
0:45:06I needed to adjust the sensitivity or whatever,
0:45:07but it was working.
0:45:10I just couldn't get it to work every time.
0:45:12But it feels like you're pushing through it.
0:45:16So when you really push down hard,
0:45:19it feels like you're going into the track pad,
0:45:22which is the weirdest sensation.
0:45:24Again, no idea how they're doing this.
0:45:27Did you feel that way Federico,
0:45:28that it felt like you were like indenting it?
0:45:31- Exactly the same.
0:45:32I felt like I was going into the track pad.
0:45:37Because I'm applying stronger pressure,
0:45:39I expect the trackpad to move physically down.
0:45:44And that's the sensation that you get.
0:45:46That's the-- like, it feels like you're going down
0:45:50into the trackpad.
0:45:51And you get also that kind of feedback from the trackpad.
0:45:54But actually, it doesn't move.
0:45:56And it's all these new engine and these sensors
0:46:00under the trackpad which shake horizontally and provide you,
0:46:06thanks to some crazy Apple technology,
0:46:08with this sense of going down vertically.
0:46:11And it's crazy and it's freaky because it's a real life,
0:46:16like it feels normal, totally normal.
0:46:19And then they tell you how it works
0:46:21and you're like, no way.
0:46:22- Yeah, it's like they're lying.
0:46:25- This is not what I'm feeling.
0:46:26- Yeah, they may as well be lying to me
0:46:27because it doesn't, like I urge anybody listening
0:46:31to go to your local Apple store and try this
0:46:34because you can, they have them in the MacBook Pros
0:46:37and it's like... I'm blown away by this. Because it's so weird.
0:46:44It's crazy. And it's a great example of what sounds like a tiny change, but actually can
0:46:52have really big consequences on how you use a computer, or just like thinking about the
0:47:00future of Apple devices getting this sort of technology. I just had a link yesterday
0:47:06or Mac stories from this person who has a blog called Alex4D.
0:47:13And basically Alex argues that assuming that First Touch is coming to iOS devices in the
0:47:20future, this could potentially be huge for adding basically a new dimension to the interface.
0:47:28Because there's a demo that you gotta either ask Apple to receive or if you read the KBase
0:47:38really carefully, you can see there in the new iMovie, besides the clicks and the force
0:47:44touch, what's the name, the long click?
0:47:50Yeah, force clicking.
0:47:52The force clicking?
0:47:53That's those two types of clicks. There's also the fact that when you drag and drop,
0:47:59you can feel the end and the beginning of a clip in iMovie. There's a physical dimension
0:48:08for the clip in the iMovie interface. You feel when it ends and when it starts. That's
0:48:14crazy to think about that. When I'm going over the trackpad on this flat surface, I
0:48:20actually feel the depth of software, of the interface.
0:48:25And that's interesting to think about in relation to wondering whether First Touch and this
0:48:31kind of feedback could be coming to iOS in the future.
0:48:34And I was thinking yesterday when I read this post from Alex4D, what if the iOS 7 redesign
0:48:42was meant to bring this kind of feedback and clarity in the future?
0:48:46Because can you imagine, with the Skeuomorphic interface, having tactile feedback all the
0:48:53time from leather, physical buttons, plastic textures, all these weird interface elements.
0:49:01Instead, having a more clear, maybe neutral interface, it helps when you want to add feedback
0:49:12just for some elements like buttons, like tabs or menus.
0:49:17I think it's interesting to think about for the future.
0:49:22Maybe not even this year, maybe a couple of years down the road.
0:49:24I don't know.
0:49:26Yeah, it's also interesting from a...
0:49:30There could be some really interesting assistive technology stuff here as well with impaired
0:49:37vision or things like that where it could give them another way another
0:49:43opportunity for feedback from the device of what's going on and I think it's
0:49:48really interesting from all those things I think that I may be thing is really
0:49:52genius that you know you're we've all done it you know we've done in logic as
0:49:56well you're scrubbing over and you overshoot where you need to be or and
0:50:00just giving you that little bump of like hey this is where you are I would imagine
0:50:04once you get used to that in a program it becomes really just very second
0:50:09nature and becomes just part of the experience. I for one welcome our new
0:50:14haptic overlords and hope that this does spread throughout their product line
0:50:19where it makes sense. I really want it on every device. Yeah you and I both own
0:50:26Retina 13-inch MacBook Pros. They're the same age. We have almost exactly the same
0:50:32machine and mine has cooler stickers than yours though it's so old and crappy
0:50:36now again I said it's an upgrade like I'm kind of okay with it because I use
0:50:41my MacBook on like one of those stands and I use a mouse for RSI reasons
0:50:48right I don't have RSI but like I get repetitive strain pains like every now
0:50:54and then so I'm trying to keep all that stuff at bay so I try to use the track
0:50:58and the keyboard on my Mac as little as possible but it is super cool and I
0:51:04would maybe like a magic trackpad yeah anyway yeah one other thing I wanted to
0:51:10mention now I said I'll come back to this and so as I walked into the store I
0:51:14got a little bit excited because all I could see on the walls were huge
0:51:21pictures of the Apple watch right the marketing pictures not for sale yet and
0:51:26And I was like, "Maybe they have one."
0:51:29And I know it sounds crazy,
0:51:30but anybody who's listened to this show for long enough
0:51:33will remember my crazy story where like,
0:51:35randomly one day iPod touches arrived in the UK
0:51:38earlier than expected, and I bought one.
0:51:40So I was like, "Who knows?"
0:51:43Comic Garden, it's like one of the biggest Apple stores
0:51:46in the entire world, like you never know.
0:51:48Like, you never know.
0:51:49So I went in, and just all around the walls
0:51:53were pictures of the Apple Watch.
0:51:55but obviously there were no watches there.
0:51:57And then on all of the other walls,
0:51:58it was either a picture of a gold iPhone
0:52:00or a picture of the new MacBooks.
0:52:02Now, I was on one floor, I was on one floor,
0:52:04of the main floor where all the products are
0:52:06on the main floor, like they got the phones, the iPads,
0:52:09they got all of the Macs in there.
0:52:11It's really big, this store.
0:52:13- So which Apple store is this?
0:52:14- Covent Garden.
0:52:15- Okay.
0:52:17- And I'm looking around and I'm kind of working out
0:52:20in my head, like over three quarters
0:52:22of the product marketing in the Apple store
0:52:25is for products that aren't only not on sale yet,
0:52:29but will not be in the stores
0:52:30for like another three or four weeks.
0:52:33And that is really weird to me.
0:52:36Like it's confusing for one,
0:52:39like to go into the store and the products,
0:52:42a bunch of them are like old, right?
0:52:46Or they're like, you know, they're not gonna be replaced,
0:52:48but there's new stuff coming like in the MacBook line,
0:52:50for example.
0:52:52I felt sad for everybody looking at the MacBook Air.
0:52:54I was like, oh, just don't buy it just yet.
0:52:57You need to just wait and see
0:52:58'cause you might like the other one.
0:53:00And it's just super weird to me
0:53:01to see all of this product marketing
0:53:03for products that aren't in the store yet.
0:53:06I just found it really, really weird.
0:53:08- But what if that's the point,
0:53:10to get people to ask, hey, do you have one yet?
0:53:13- I mean, but they're not even labeled.
0:53:18- Yeah, I mean, but people know what is it.
0:53:20it's a watch. No the watch, I mean like the watches I think there's more of them
0:53:25with the MacBook but but it is still strange to me to see the just these
0:53:29pictures of the watches just everywhere and like but they're not even near like
0:53:34to being in a store. I don't know I'm not it's not really a criticism it just seemed
0:53:38really strange and because I can't think of a time where like that all these
0:53:41products are like always still a month away from all of them it just you know
0:53:46It hasn't been like that in a while, I think.
0:53:49I don't know.
0:53:51Yeah, it's been six years, five years since the first, I mean, since the last new, really
0:54:00new Apple device, right?
0:54:02Because the iPad was, I mean, unless you count the new Mac Pro, the last device was the iPad
0:54:10five years ago.
0:54:11I mean, I'm super excited, you know?
0:54:13I'm kind of sad that it's not coming to Italy with the launch countries.
0:54:21That seems really weird to me.
0:54:22I thought they would have gone for the fashion centers more, but it seems like not.
0:54:26We don't matter.
0:54:27That's the reason.
0:54:30Is Italy a small market for Apple then?
0:54:32It's in like wave two, right?
0:54:35There's many problems in Italy, Myke.
0:54:37Not just a small market for Apple.
0:54:41I don't know.
0:54:42I feel like we don't matter in many ways.
0:54:45Well you matter Federico.
0:54:47Thank you.
0:54:49I feel like in general we're not...
0:54:55As a nation, as a country, we don't take us seriously enough.
0:54:59But that's another topic.
0:55:01We should have a politics show on reading.
0:55:04Nope.
0:55:05Nope!
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0:57:55So guys, there's a rumor that Apple is about to launch a service called QuickTime TV.
0:58:02And Steven has all the details.
0:58:05Steven's got the hot scoop on QuickTime TV.
0:58:07That's right.
0:58:08Can you tell us more Steven about this tech meme worthy headline that you discovered?
0:58:17Yes.
0:58:19It's the year is 1999.
0:58:22So if you'll dial back with me, we're going to go in the Wayback Machine, and it's 1999,
0:58:29that means Myke is 13 years old.
0:58:31Wow.
0:58:32It's 11.
0:58:33No, I'm 11.
0:58:34You're 11?
0:58:35I'm 11 too, I'm 11 too, and really into, I think, PlayStation.
0:58:43Steven was 25.
0:58:44I say I'm 46.
0:58:48So Apple announces in 1999 QuickTime TV, and there's a bunch of links in the show notes
0:58:53I want to point out too.
0:58:56One going to Macworld, so it's an article from October 1999 with an ad for an Apple
0:59:03Watch thing next to it which is really funny.
0:59:06And basically what QuickTime TV was, you had the QuickTime player on the Mac and there
0:59:09were channels that plugged into it and you could stream media.
0:59:14So there was a streaming service as well and there was a bunch of different things.
0:59:19Another link in the show notes is to a archive.org page which is just full of goodies from the
0:59:30time period.
0:59:31There's a Britney Spears video you can watch.
0:59:33You can watch "Seeing Into the Headline News."
0:59:35You can watch a Nine Inch Nails or an NSYNC video.
0:59:38Wow, it's like a time capsule.
0:59:40It really...
0:59:41This is Steven's life, Myke.
0:59:43Yeah.
0:59:44The Wayback Machine link is from 2001. Good Times, Quicktime TV didn't do very
0:59:53well. Obviously 1999, 2000, 2001. Internet connection speeds were a big issue when
1:00:01you're talking about streaming rich media like this and I think they
1:00:05struggled to get content on board. I did come across an Apple PR article from
1:00:112000 where Apple announced the second annual QuickTime Live conference. Okay I
1:00:17know a lot about Apple history I've never come across the QuickTime Live
1:00:24conference so now it's my duty to find out everything I can about it and write
1:00:29it up. In the QuickTime Live conference guys let me just tell you what we could
1:00:34experience if we were back in time. 48 conference sessions with professional
1:00:39level training on QuickTime content development and deployment. That's a lot. Did this ever
1:00:44take place? Listen to this, it did. Nine intensive full day workshops. Nine, nine, two
1:00:51work weeks, full workshop, full day workshop. That's twice the size of WWDC. Workshops for what?
1:00:58They're, these workshops Federico, Federico I'm glad you asked because these
1:01:03workshops Federico, they focus on popular authoring tools, deployment technologies,
1:01:07QuickTime VR and QuickTime Streaming.
1:01:10- Wow.
1:01:12- There was a product showcase featuring streaming media
1:01:14and distribution solutions for more than 50 companies.
1:01:18And the last bullet point,
1:01:19a number of other special events.
1:01:22If you guys wanna go to this.
1:01:23- Oh my God, Steven, there's I found on eBay,
1:01:29Apple Vintage QuickTime Live Sweatshirt,
1:01:33LG Conference Faculty Speaker
1:01:36That's my size.
1:01:37That's my size.
1:01:38That's my size.
1:01:39Oh my God.
1:01:40Buy me a sweatshirt.
1:01:41There's a, I'm putting the link in the chat room.
1:01:45So the conference really, really existed.
1:01:48It did.
1:01:49There's a sweatshirt.
1:01:50It's $33.
1:01:51I'm not going to buy that as a joke.
1:01:53No, you need to buy this.
1:01:54I hate sweatshirts.
1:01:58Can you imagine wearing that to WWDC?
1:02:00That would be really awesome.
1:02:02So if we want to go to this conference, again that happened 15 years ago, it's $1,200 per
1:02:10attendee.
1:02:11I still don't believe it happened.
1:02:13If you guys just want to do the workshops, if you just want to come for nine days, it's
1:02:16$400.
1:02:17Oh, I'll do that one.
1:02:19Yeah, so I think that's in the budget.
1:02:22So QuickTime TV, Apple has gone on this path in the past.
1:02:27Again, wasn't super successful.
1:02:29I think it was, I think QuickTime and all was sort of, you know, Apple early on with
1:02:36the Mac made a play for desktop publishing.
1:02:39I think with OS X they made a play for streaming and video production type stuff.
1:02:45And it was a little early.
1:02:47But it's really interesting because now, as Federico explained to us, there's a Wall Street
1:02:51Journal article saying that this might be coming back around a little bit.
1:02:55Yeah, according to this Wall Street Journal report, Apple is working on this new web-based
1:03:03television service.
1:03:05It'll have about 25 channels with the likes of ABC, CBS, FOX, other networks and broadcasters
1:03:14are apparently on board with Apple's plan to have this new web service.
1:03:20And what's interesting, and kind of weird also, is that being a web TV service, it'll
1:03:27be not just exclusive to the rumored Apple TV or Apple Television, whatever Jim Master
1:03:34wants to call it, it'll be available to every Apple device, because it'll be web-based,
1:03:40it'll be essentially streaming.
1:03:42Streaming TV from Apple with these big channel names on board.
1:03:47And John Gruber and Jim Adelup are saying to take this with a grain of salt because
1:03:53the WSJ has not been so accurate lately.
1:03:58And so there we go, we have this new rumor, it will be priced at around $30-40 a month.
1:04:07So while we were talking about this before the show, Steven somehow remembered of QuickTime
1:04:14TV and this QuickTime conference. So Apple has tried this before. Of course, so many
1:04:20things have changed, especially because now Apple has a bunch of devices where you can
1:04:24stream video to. And I mean, we talked about the television before, and I'm pretty sure
1:04:29my argument was "Okay, fine, cool and all that, but is this going to be a television?
1:04:35If Apple really does it, is it going to be a television for also the international market?
1:04:41I'll be able from Italy to get my DTV, how it's called here, the digital TV, will I be
1:04:47able to do that, to watch that on an Apple device?
1:04:51Or will I have to do kind of what Microsoft wants me to do with the Xbox One to basically
1:04:58let my TV signal pass through the Xbox One interface?
1:05:02So we talked about this before, there's a new rumor, a Web TV service, what do you guys
1:05:07think?
1:05:10I think it's interesting for a couple of reasons.
1:05:13You know, you look at, you know, you brought the Xbox,
1:05:17but you look at the PlayStation,
1:05:18you look at things like the Roku.
1:05:20A lot of those devices just pull in content
1:05:24from third parties, right?
1:05:25So they have a Netflix channel, Hulu, Yahoo,
1:05:27which is very similar to where the Apple TV is now,
1:05:32where it's sort of these other companies
1:05:35and they're putting their content on it.
1:05:37And you know, you can go through that content,
1:05:39the interfaces aren't that great.
1:05:41But this seems like something a little bit different
1:05:44where this is talking about much closer
1:05:48to a cable subscription that is just online
1:05:51is the way that I read that.
1:05:54So I think it's a little bit different there.
1:05:56My big question is does this solve the problem
1:06:00that the Apple TV has that it's maybe not super great
1:06:05to use sometimes?
1:06:06Is this gonna be on the Apple TV hardware?
1:06:09Is this some other hardware?
1:06:10Is this just a service and there's an iPad app
1:06:12and you AirPlay it?
1:06:13I mean, there's a lot of those sort of nitty gritty questions
1:06:15that come to mind for me.
1:06:17I don't know.
1:06:20- I'm not massively interested in something like this.
1:06:24I mean, one, I know that it's not gonna come to the UK
1:06:27and then even if it does, I can't see the people,
1:06:32like the channels that I would want if it did,
1:06:34they're just not gonna be there for a while if at all
1:06:37because it's it's basically the channels that you would want are provided by Sky
1:06:42and Sky are, Sky are like they're very
1:06:46they don't really have a lot of competition here.
1:06:50Like the competition is starting to heat up, but but not so much.
1:06:52And I would be very surprised unless like the regulators made them
1:06:57that they would give this into Apple and they could just, you know,
1:07:00try and make their own thing.
1:07:01And it looks like for all intents and purposes, there are people
1:07:04There are companies in the US that are doing that kind of thing themselves anyway.
1:07:08Like I think the article says that NBC is kind of like, nah, and they seem to be making their own thing.
1:07:13Um, but like, kind of one thing that I'm interested from you, Steven, like 30 to $40, is that a good deal?
1:07:22Like is how much cheaper is this than just getting cable TV?
1:07:25So I don't have cable.
1:07:28I've never had cable.
1:07:29I think that is reasonable depending on what you get for that money.
1:07:35Maybe someone in the chat room can tell us what they pay for cable each month.
1:07:38But it doesn't seem to me ridiculously expensive, but I think it's definitely all about not
1:07:45only the content you get through, it's like what channels are available, but what you
1:07:49can do with it.
1:07:50Like, does this thing have some sort of DVR functionality where I can save something for
1:07:53later?
1:07:54is to integrate with with Siri or some sort of smart search thing, you know, you know Apple
1:07:59For all the things it does. Well, it doesn't do
1:08:03search and like
1:08:05Bolting things together very well. So like one of my complaints about the Apple TV is
1:08:10That it's basically like my iPhone home screen. It's a bunch of apps and if I want to watch an episode of
1:08:16a friends for instance, you know, I
1:08:21I know that's on Netflix, but if I didn't know that,
1:08:25it'd be nice to be able to search for that on the Apple TV
1:08:28and say, "Hey, it's on Netflix,
1:08:29"it's available on these other services,
1:08:30"it's not available here," et cetera, et cetera.
1:08:33So I think Apple has to make TV smarter somehow,
1:08:36and if that's part of this,
1:08:37then I think the price is a lot more compelling
1:08:40if I'm getting all this great content
1:08:42and I'm getting in a way that makes it easier
1:08:43to sort through and understand.
1:08:46Because if anyone who has used either a cable box
1:08:50or a third party DVR or any sort of programming interface
1:08:54on a TV, those things are terrible.
1:08:56And Apple should be able to knock it out of the park
1:08:58and that sort of thing.
1:09:00- I love that you just described
1:09:01what Android TV tried to be.
1:09:03- Well, no, no, Android TV, yeah, tried it.
1:09:06And I think Roku and a couple others
1:09:09have played with that a little bit.
1:09:12It's gotta be, I think it's gotta be compelling.
1:09:19I mean, if it's 30, $40 and it doesn't have the content
1:09:22that I could get from Comcast, why would I choose this?
1:09:25Right, so Apple's got to have something
1:09:28that makes it different, that makes it stand out.
1:09:31And Joe Steele in the chat room is saying 30, 40 bucks
1:09:34is pretty reasonable.
1:09:36But I think they've got to set themselves apart somehow,
1:09:42or it's just gonna be like another kind of forgettable
1:09:44Apple web service.
1:09:46- I mean, it could end up working out
1:09:48okay price wise if you're like if you're buying if you're a cord cutter and you're
1:09:53buying like maybe four or five different TV shows right which I am like and then
1:09:58we talked about that last week right to be a cord cutter and to save that money
1:10:01you have to steal like sorry there's really no way around that you know I
1:10:06there are definitely shows that I borrow from the internet but there's a lot of stuff
1:10:10that we have iTunes season passes for and that money adds up and you know
1:10:14before you know it you've got five or six season passes and you got you're
1:10:17downloading something every night and you're taking disk space and all that
1:10:20stuff and so I could see how this could be more elegant than that but they've
1:10:24got to make it good value for the the money you're paying. Every time we talk
1:10:29about television eventually I get to the point where I'm listening to you guys
1:10:33and I get so confused about what a cable for Americans is. Like I don't understand
1:10:41what is cable TV and every time I ask you this question and again you explain
1:10:46it to me. I think you have satellite TV there right? The same. Yeah we have, well we transitioned
1:10:54a few years ago from basically to digital television which is like, it's basically like
1:11:01terrestrial TV with more channels. Yeah we have that too. Right everyone had to do that. Okay and
1:11:08then we have satellite TV which is Sky basically and you pay for Sky, you have different packages
1:11:15And in addition to the DTV, you can get Sky.
1:11:19So my parents, for instance,
1:11:21because my dad wants to watch soccer, his favorite team,
1:11:26he pays for, I think the package is called Sky Sports.
1:11:30- Yeah, Sky's cable, Federico.
1:11:32- Oh, okay.
1:11:34So why don't you just say satellite instead of cable?
1:11:36- Because they don't have satellites.
1:11:38They don't do it by satellite.
1:11:40- Well, you can.
1:11:41I think the terms are pretty interchangeable here.
1:11:44But the point is it's premium TV,
1:11:47air quotes are on premium,
1:11:48'cause you know, like my problem with cable is
1:11:51that there are a couple stations
1:11:52that I would like to have in my house.
1:11:54You know, I would like to have things like Discovery
1:11:56or National Geographic, ESPN,
1:11:58but I don't want the 15 different like trash channels
1:12:01that they sell bundled with that to pay for them.
1:12:05And so if Apple's only gonna have 25,
1:12:08maybe they've worked out where they can get the best,
1:12:11you know, kind of the ones that everybody wants,
1:12:13or maybe they've worked out some sort of deal
1:12:14where you can filter that stuff out.
1:12:17It's hard, right?
1:12:18And TV's like a hard problem to solve.
1:12:20If you think about it, Apple went after smart watches
1:12:24before it did television.
1:12:26That says a lot about the state of the industry,
1:12:28at least in the US, how hard it is to break into,
1:12:31how hard it is to deal with,
1:12:32'cause these companies are huge.
1:12:33I mean, Comcast owns NBC.
1:12:35It's an enormous market with enormous players,
1:12:41and they don't wanna change, right?
1:12:43It's compounded by the fact,
1:12:46and you hear stories of this every once in a while.
1:12:49You heard it with the ebook thing where,
1:12:51now Apple rolled into the music industry
1:12:53and for a long time they owned it.
1:12:55And you could argue that maybe they're losing it now
1:12:57a little bit to things like streaming services.
1:12:59But Apple changed the way the music industry works
1:13:02and all these other industries look at that
1:13:04and are afraid of it.
1:13:05And they don't want Apple to come in and take over.
1:13:08And so I think that they put a wall up
1:13:09that they maybe they wanted to have otherwise.
1:13:12It's interesting, if anyone can solve it, I think it's Apple, but I think it's super
1:13:17complicated and it's got to be a compelling product or it's just going to be kind of forgettable.
1:13:23So do you have like in America, I'm sorry that I'm just interested in how television
1:13:27works in America, do you have like free stuff?
1:13:31Like you buy a TV, you plug it in, you connect the antenna and you watch free television?
1:13:35Yeah, and we did that same transition, I believe that transition was worldwide, I'm sorry someone
1:13:40can correct me if I'm wrong, to, from analog to digital.
1:13:44But yeah, I have a TV.
1:13:47I don't have an antenna hooked up to it.
1:13:48But if I did, I could get some local stations and, you know,
1:13:50a handful, a handful of things.
1:13:52I don't think it was worldwide.
1:13:54I think most, a lot of countries have done it.
1:13:55But the reason they do it is to free up spectrum for stuff like LTE.
1:13:58Right. Because it frees up the 700 megahertz.
1:14:01You know what is what I think is basically different between
1:14:05television in Italy and in America, that in Italy,
1:14:09you have like these seven basic channels or maybe ten and everybody gets those.
1:14:17Like there's the national, like the TV that you pay for with the tax, it's the first three channels,
1:14:24then there's the TV of Berlusconi and it's another three channels, and then there's MTV and
1:14:30another two or three channels and everybody gets those. And at the same time Italians, like at 8 pm,
1:14:37Italians have dinner and they watch the news on the same channel and I think it's different in
1:14:42America because it's big and you're into multiple time zones and you have this like is there a
1:14:48national channel that everybody can watch for free at the same time? Yeah I mean yeah you get
1:14:55CBS, NBC, you know that you get the big players. Yeah but I don't think you have anything like we
1:15:01have which is like there is a tax that people pay yeah like what we call TV
1:15:07license. Right there's nothing like the BBC or like Federico what you describe
1:15:11where there's a national channel or a national network these are all you know
1:15:15publicly traded companies. It's crazy you know and so I could do that I
1:15:22don't I don't pay for cable I mean we our TV has two inputs taken up
1:15:26one's a Mac Mini one's an Apple TV so you know I'm doing everything through
1:15:29iTunes or streaming on things like Hulu or you know community started back this
1:15:34week it's on Yahoo screens which their streaming community for free to the
1:15:38Apple TV which is really great we're gonna watch that tonight and so there
1:15:42are ways to watch things but what Apple is trying to do is try to get some of
1:15:46that legacy content if you will onto their devices which which I think they
1:15:50have to right if they if they want the Apple TV to be more it's got to be more
1:15:55than just like the crazy channels they randomly add to the Apple TV that no one
1:15:59once like no one wants crackle like just no one wants it and it shows up and I hide it.
1:16:03What is crackle? Is that the Sony thing?
1:16:06I think it's the Sony thing yeah the Sony web stream.
1:16:10Didn't they also add some kind of yoga or meditation channel?
1:16:14Yeah like every time I turn on my TV there's some other icon that I want that I have to
1:16:18hide because I don't want my kids going into it like and I don't want it I don't want it
1:16:21so I think that's a flawed strategy in and of itself but if they can if they can figure
1:16:27this out and I could get things like
1:16:29Discover your ESPN through my Apple TV
1:16:31over my internet connection. I'd love it
1:16:33and I think that I would, depending on
1:16:35what it offered and how much it cost, I
1:16:36think I'd probably be interested in
1:16:37using it. But they've got to prove that
1:16:41it's worthwhile. So we'll see. Just to
1:16:45wrap up this topic and to go right back
1:16:48around to the first piece of follow-up.
1:16:50Something I saw today that HBO Now,
1:16:54contrary to what many people thought, you
1:16:57actually won't be able to buy it from HBO directly like it has to come through
1:17:01a third party so Apple is one of them but then also apparently will be the
1:17:05cable companies you have to buy from your cable company which makes no sense
1:17:11well even now so there there's a you know there's like a ESPN app and a
1:17:15couple other things on the Apple TV but you have to sign in with your Comcast or
1:17:21your AT&T account so I've got a buddy who has you verse at home he has cable
1:17:24through AT&T and I use his to watch basketball. Yeah that's how HBO Go works, right?
1:17:29Right, I use someone else's login to do that so it's kind of getting rid of
1:17:33that middle step potentially. Yeah but this is like you won't be able to buy it
1:17:36from HBO which I think is what people thought, like you still have to use
1:17:40somebody else to get it and I mean Apple is not the worst you know scenario to
1:17:45buy it from them but it's kind of just like okay you'll never get rid of them.
1:17:50Yeah well I think that speaks to how complicated and how entrenched those
1:17:53companies are that even in this like seemingly really cool Jill Applecoat
1:17:57HBO Comcast still has their fingers all in it. So what do Americans do when the
1:18:02president talks to the nation? That's a really good question. So the... I'm so
1:18:09curious about this. Yeah no no no that's a really good question actually. The major networks all
1:18:15carry it so CBS, NBC, Fox they all carry it and they frame it in their own you
1:18:20know, coverage, which is terrifying on some of the stations.
1:18:25What Italians do, like, a very much stereotypical but also true Italian thing is two things.
1:18:35When the president talks, all Italians reach to the channel one and they listen to the
1:18:42president, and the second one is the World Cup of soccer.
1:18:47Italy plays, you can rest assured every Italian family is in front of the TV, also on channel
1:18:54one, which is one of the three channels that you pay a TV license tax, and they're watching Italy
1:19:02at the same time, everybody. And I think there's some sort of romance in that stereotype, you know?
1:19:06Everybody gets to watch TV at the same time, whether you're at home or at a bar, and in
1:19:13In Italy, again, bars are not like in the US where you go to only drink alcohol.
1:19:19A bar is like...
1:19:20I don't know, Myke, what is a bar in Italy?
1:19:22You've been to Italy.
1:19:24Kind of like a coffee shop.
1:19:26Yeah, kind of like a coffee shop, and everybody goes there and watches TV.
1:19:29I think there's some sort of romance and happiness in being together at the same time,
1:19:35watching the same television channel.
1:19:36I like that we have a TV license.
1:19:39I like that because we...
1:19:41I don't, but...
1:19:42Okay, I mean, okay, except for the cost, right?
1:19:45I know that sounds weird, but like, yeah,
1:19:47it's a thing you have to pay for,
1:19:49but you are kind of helping, at least with the BBC,
1:19:53you are helping create, like, 'cause like,
1:19:55I don't know what the Italian stuff's like, Federico, sorry.
1:19:58There is incredible drama, incredible comedy,
1:20:00just really great TV shows that are paid for
1:20:03because we pay a TV license.
1:20:05- Sure, and it's, I think it's simpler, you know,
1:20:08in America, it sounds so complex,
1:20:10And no wonder that people go crazy over these rumors of new TV services, because what you have sounds like a nightmare.
1:20:17Yeah.
1:20:18It is. It's just really messy. And you know, there's even restrictions on where you live, what's available to you, you know, because ISPs and cable companies have such regional locks here.
1:20:31It would be nice to see someone busted up. And like I said, I think Apple can do it. If anyone can, Apple can.
1:20:37Well, that's in theory unless the TV industry looks at the music industry and realizes what's
1:20:45ahead of them.
1:20:46Right.
1:20:47I mean, that's why I brought that up.
1:20:49Apple's past success is, I think, weighs heavy over those other industries.
1:20:56And you see that other industries, well, you see it in the cell phone industry, right?
1:21:01Basically the only cell phone manufacturer that Verizon can't put their cruddy apps on
1:21:05the phone.
1:21:06Apple, when they come to the table, they have the high ground and Comcast isn't used to
1:21:12that.
1:21:13So I'm cautiously optimistic that Apple could do something in this space, but I'm definitely
1:21:18not holding my breath until something shows up.
1:21:22This is super left field and I don't even know why I'm bringing this up, but we haven't
1:21:26spoken about it, so I wanted to check with you guys.
1:21:28Did you see that Sundar Pichai said that Google's going to be launching their own MVNO?
1:21:35I did. That was a couple weeks ago maybe? Yeah he said it on stage somewhere and
1:21:43they're gonna be talking about it at I/O it seems like. Right and I would
1:21:47imagine that that carrier would be very limited in where it is and what
1:21:54it... I kind of view like the Nexus program I think that Google might fire
1:21:59up their own little cellular network just to experiment and do weird things
1:22:02in but never it would never really take on somebody like AT&T Verizon because
1:22:08they need AT&T Verizon to carry their phones you know that's as a problem with
1:22:12any of this well that's why Apple's not doing it because Apple needs those cell
1:22:15networks to carry the phone unless it's free maybe I mean could be I mean all
1:22:24they need is you on the you know just that they get all that sweet sweet ad
1:22:28money in theory you know so they're always saying we just want people
1:22:31connected. Yeah it's just a guy listening in on you, no I'm just kidding I don't
1:22:35think that about Google but it is interesting. IO is coming up, or the
1:22:41tickets I think went for sale or go for sale this week so I'm excited to see
1:22:44what they do. Yeah I'm looking forward to IO. IO is always fun to watch yeah as an
1:22:48Apple centric kind of person IO is always really interesting to me so. So
1:22:54wait a second America doesn't have taylortext. Well yeah but we don't really
1:23:00have that anymore either. We do. I mean like we don't in the UK. Like there is there is like a
1:23:06digital thing now but it's not like... Steven do you know what teletext is? Uh not by that name at
1:23:13least. Oh my god. I'm googling it. It's like the best software kind of. Do you still have the
1:23:21really old one that looks like... Yes. You still have that? Yeah. Man but you're on digital right?
1:23:26they must have just kept that to make you guys feel comfortable. what is this? you don't know
1:23:31what the teletext is? oh my god it was like the internet in your television it was awesome. yeah
1:23:38i knew people that used to buy holidays using this thing. yeah i see a bbc one and it's quite
1:23:45honestly terrifying. it was the best thing and the worst thing at the same time. yep. it was like
1:23:52And I'm trying to think of a mythical beast.
1:23:56Maybe a chimera or, I don't know, it was incredible.
1:24:01- The BBC used to do, I think,
1:24:03choose your own text adventure on this.
1:24:05- I used to get all my news from the teletext.
1:24:10And I knew that it would refresh
1:24:12at specific times during the day.
1:24:14So I would just open teletext
1:24:16and do a bunch of comments with the TV remote.
1:24:18And I knew that I was gonna get fresh news.
1:24:20And then there were channels in the teletext,
1:24:23so you could find gossip or sports news,
1:24:28and it was awesome, also awful and awesome.
1:24:30It was like, I don't know, it was both things and also.
1:24:35- I'm really, really surprised
1:24:38that you still have it look like this,
1:24:41because they're clearly holding onto it for you,
1:24:45because digital TV can do a lot more than this.
1:24:50I'm pretty sure we still have that
1:24:53because I recently saw my father using teletext.
1:24:56So either he was trolling me in some way,
1:24:59either he downloaded an app for the TV
1:25:02or it was the actual teletext,
1:25:05which it was used to be awesome to check
1:25:07like real time sports results.
1:25:09- Yep, the lottery results.
1:25:11- The lottery results, local news.
1:25:14Steven, you're-
1:25:15- Movie times.
1:25:16- Oh yeah, yeah, movie times.
1:25:18- This was the internet.
1:25:20This was the most basic version of the internet.
1:25:23- Yes, and to think that there were,
1:25:25sometimes I still think about the fact
1:25:28that there used to be so many people
1:25:30who thought the teletext was going to be a huge deal
1:25:34and they spent so many hours of their working days
1:25:38updating the teletext every day
1:25:40and then those people got fired.
1:25:42- Oh, we haven't even said about how you navigate around it.
1:25:45So to navigate teletext,
1:25:47you had to know the page number.
1:25:49So it's like a three digit page number
1:25:51that you would type in.
1:25:51So say you wanted to get to sports,
1:25:53you might go to 400 and it'd take you to the sports page.
1:25:56And then it would show you the directory.
1:25:58So like it would say like for sports scores,
1:26:00go to this one for like Manchester United versus Chelsea
1:26:04hit in this one.
1:26:05And then like you could go to a directory
1:26:06it would have all of the numbers.
1:26:08You could score for all the numbers.
1:26:10- This seems insane.
1:26:13(laughing)
1:26:14- Myke, did you have, I'm sorry, Steven,
1:26:16Did you have the pages where it was like a channel with three pages and they switched
1:26:23like a wheel?
1:26:24Oh yeah, it would be like you go to page 124 and it would be one of four and it would just
1:26:28like flick over.
1:26:30Man, teletext.
1:26:32Steven, you missed out on something really special.
1:26:37I did.
1:26:38It just ended in 2012, this article on the BBC.
1:26:4138 years.
1:26:42I mean, that's an impressive run.
1:26:45That's what I'm saying, when we switched over from analog to digital, they canned it.
1:26:50Like BBC got rid of it.
1:26:52Sad.
1:26:53That's a fascinating look into something I had no idea existed.
1:26:57This is what like in 20 years time people say about the internet?
1:27:01I remember when there used to be teletext.
1:27:04Just anyone should just Google image search it because the screens are all insane.
1:27:12It's like the internet on acid.
1:27:16The best thing is when they would try and draw pictures.
1:27:19Yeah, there's some on image search that you should be aware of that are there that are
1:27:23a little weird.
1:27:24Well yeah, because people would draw their own.
1:27:29You'd go to a page and they would draw like "Welcome to Teletext".
1:27:33That's gonna be in the show notes if you go to the episode page.
1:27:39Like that is gonna be it.
1:27:40It was a different name in Italy.
1:27:42it was called Televideo for us.
1:27:45And I'm looking on the App Store right now,
1:27:48there's a bunch of apps actually.
1:27:49I'm not sure if they've been updated recently.
1:27:52And of course, most of the television related apps
1:27:56have been replaced by TV guides with modern interfaces.
1:28:01But if you look for Televideo on the App Store,
1:28:05even the US App Store, there's a bunch of Italian apps.
1:28:07So you get the idea of what the Teletext is like here.
1:28:11Oh man, so many memories.
1:28:13- So, Teletex was like what it was called,
1:28:15like BBC called it CFAX.
1:28:17- Yeah, yeah.
1:28:18I looked on Wikipedia,
1:28:20I know that there were like different names.
1:28:23I'm not even sure how I remembered
1:28:25that I Googled Teletex before,
1:28:28because I knew that it existed in other parts of Europe.
1:28:31I wasn't sure about America.
1:28:32Steven, I'm really sad
1:28:34that you never got to experience Teletex
1:28:36or the QuickTime Live Conference.
1:28:39- I don't know.
1:28:41I have a lot of links in this paper now for the QuickTime.
1:28:45There were at least three QuickTime live conferences,
1:28:48at least three.
1:28:49- When people go to our show notes page,
1:28:50they're gonna have literally no idea what's going on.
1:28:53- I'm on the show and I have no idea what's going on.
1:28:55- Like there's this big picture that says,
1:28:56"Welcome to Teletext."
1:28:57(laughing)
1:28:59- Perfect, thank you.
1:29:00- With like a Simpsons yellow hand coming in on the corner.
1:29:03Ah, that seems like a pretty good place to wrap up.
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