31: They're My Clapping Phones


00:00:00   [Music]

00:00:07   From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 31.

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00:00:26   My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined as always by the co-founder of Relay FM and editor-in-chief

00:00:31   of 512pixels.net, Mr. Steven Hackett. That sounded so official. I know, I like to do that now. I've

00:00:38   decided I want to be official. And I'm also joined by the illustrious emperor of Macstories.net,

00:00:44   Mr. Federico Vittucci. That's quite the introduction, Myke. Anytime. Hi, co-founders and

00:00:50   editors-in-chief. Hi. And I am but a mere peon in this organization but I'm also

00:00:56   happy to be here. You should be an editor and editor-in-chief of something Myke.

00:01:01   Of my bedroom. Okay that makes sense. I mean it's good for you. Yes, yes it is indeed.

00:01:10   This sounds weird, way weird. Let's just go straight into follow-up. That's good

00:01:16   because we have a lot of follow-up this week. Up first we have some artwork

00:01:22   who came to us over the Twitter social stream by Nicholas Ward and it is me

00:01:32   saying that Myke was right. It's horrifying though. Okay so I'm just gonna

00:01:37   say it can you explain this to me guys because I don't get it what is it?

00:01:40   I'm guessing it's Star Wars related?

00:01:44   It is. I am in the Darth Vader suit and Myke is Luke and he's holding me as I die.

00:01:51   And it's a Star Wars reference.

00:01:54   So Darth Vader is the bad guy.

00:01:56   And you're the bad guy. And who's Myke?

00:02:00   Luke Skywalker.

00:02:02   And like it's his son, right?

00:02:05   Yeah. Yes. Spoiler alert. 30 years later.

00:02:09   But yes for the one person that is remaining listening. Thank you

00:02:13   Is this like is this supposed to be funny?

00:02:16   Because I mean there's your faces that that's funny

00:02:20   But like I don't get it is this like a scene from the movie

00:02:25   It has to be a scene from the movie. Yes, they it is

00:02:29   the redemption of Darth Vader on his deathbed

00:02:32   Does he say I love you before dying

00:02:39   What does he say? I don't say that to each other. In theory I should be Darth Vader.

00:02:45   Yeah, you're definitely taller than I am so. Well no because like I am redeemed.

00:02:52   Oh yeah, try again Nicholas.

00:02:57   Moving on we talked last week about HBO Now, which is how Apple led off their keynote slash

00:03:08   commercial for Game of Thrones event last week

00:03:10   Mm-hmm, and I wanted to point out that on rocket last week episode 9

00:03:15   They had a really great conversation about HBO now Christina Warren is very knowledgeable about everything it turns out but especially about HBO and

00:03:24   It's really a really great conversation into their business model and some theories about why this is happening now

00:03:31   Yeah, cuz it turns out Christina was in a documentary about HBO

00:03:34   Which is the most meta thing in the world, I think but super awesome nice piece of follow-out there Steven to follow out

00:03:42   We have some more follow-out later. Okay, which is the term that some guy made up

00:03:47   We had a question

00:03:50   The a tweet came in from listener Matt

00:03:53   asking if we thought Apple was getting 30% of the HBO now fees and

00:04:00   And I would normally say yes, because Apple's drawn a real strong line in the sand with

00:04:06   very famously the Amazon ebook deal and some other things where they've taken 30% out of everything.

00:04:12   But who knows what Apple had to do to get this? We talked last week about how it was super weird

00:04:18   that Tim Cook was like, "This is the TV you should watch." So it would not surprise me if Apple is

00:04:23   not taking 30%. Or maybe to take 30% that this is what they had to do.

00:04:29   Yeah, I mean who knows? Like there's any number of situations could have gone

00:04:35   down. So I mean even a rocket they're talking about you know it's very likely

00:04:40   that that Apple paid HBO for this deal and so maybe they paid them a lump sum

00:04:46   and they're making their you know trying to make the money back on Apple TV

00:04:49   hardware sales or just trying to elevate that brand. It's very unusual for Apple

00:04:55   to do what it did on stage so I think because of that like there's no telling

00:05:00   what happened behind the scenes. I thought was just an interesting question.

00:05:05   Yeah he is. We have some very important safety related follow-up Federico so

00:05:10   this is for you. So a friend of the show and of all humanity Seth Clifford

00:05:16   wrote in and was talking about the clapper and he sort of tweet stormed us

00:05:20   so there's like I think there's like four tweets in here and he talks about

00:05:25   how the clapper has a sensitivity dial and so it you could get a situation

00:05:29   where if you buy a clapper to turn your router on and off like we spoke about a

00:05:33   couple weeks ago that if you set that dial too high like walking across the

00:05:37   floor might be enough to turn your router on and off in quick succession

00:05:41   which is not super great for the router so I just wanted you to be careful yeah

00:05:48   I don't want you to burn your house down with your router catching fire

00:05:53   sounds like a really bad idea. Or a great idea. To burn my house? No that would be bad.

00:06:02   But I think some sort of like it could be like a fitness thing you know talked

00:06:07   about like encouraging fitness you could do jumping jacks to get the internet to

00:06:10   work. I mean but can you imagine me clapping or jumping while my girlfriend

00:06:15   is sleeping to turn the router off? I mean she would be she would be upset

00:06:21   because like I know I don't know I kind of like the idea of the clapper in

00:06:25   general like you know so fancy you clap your hands and you do stuff I don't know

00:06:32   I kind of wish I could do you know clapping gestures for for iOS and OS

00:06:37   10 like I could do Skype and it does stuff you know I don't be great that

00:06:43   would be awesome or I mean really I mean why stop there you get you could hook the

00:06:50   clap rope to almost anything in your house. I mean you could you could have it

00:06:53   where you had a kettle to boil water, you know electric kettle, and then you clap

00:06:57   and you're like coffee time and the water gets hot.

00:07:00   Is there a clapper IFTTT channel that I can plug into?

00:07:08   Maybe you could use the M7 and just clap two iPhones together.

00:07:13   That's also not a good idea.

00:07:16   That's going to get expensive.

00:07:18   and also potentially dangerous for the iPhones.

00:07:21   - No, you can't use those two phones.

00:07:22   They're my clapping phones, you know?

00:07:25   If you're a day clapper and you're a night clapper.

00:07:29   - Yeah, I'm not a fancy business person with two phones.

00:07:33   Well, I mean, actually I have two phones right now.

00:07:36   (laughing)

00:07:38   But I'm giving this one away in just a few days.

00:07:41   - You're not giving it away, you're giving it back.

00:07:43   - I'm giving it back.

00:07:44   I'm giving it back.

00:07:45   - Please don't give it away.

00:07:47   I'm giving it back to the owners of the phone.

00:07:52   So for the past few weeks I've had two phones.

00:07:55   It's just been temporary,

00:07:57   not a business lifestyle decision.

00:08:00   - So I would like to provide a correction

00:08:03   in the direction of Stephen Hackett.

00:08:06   And this came to us from listener of the show, Ian.

00:08:09   And Ian wanted to point out that there is actually

00:08:13   a buy to order, bill to order option on the MacBook

00:08:16   in that you can turbo-charge the CPU, if you would like to.

00:08:24   What do you have to say about this?

00:08:26   It bumps it to, what, 1.3 GHz from 1.1 or 1.2?

00:08:29   Yes.

00:08:30   I mean, not...

00:08:31   It's not radically better.

00:08:37   Can you repeat this slowly for me, guys?

00:08:39   Okay, so you can buy, as standard with the new MacBook, you can buy either a 1.2 GHz

00:08:46   or 1.1 GHz Intel Core M processor. However, you can select to have that turbocharged,

00:08:55   well, you can turbocharged it another way, I'm being silly, I should actually say it

00:09:00   correctly. You can have it like increase, you can get a more powerful CPU at 1.3 GHz

00:09:06   instead of 1.1 or 1.2 if you would so desire.

00:09:10   - How much dollars is that?

00:09:12   - They don't say.

00:09:13   - Oh.

00:09:14   - A thousand.

00:09:16   - That's probably inaccurate.

00:09:17   - Doesn't sound like a big deal.

00:09:18   Is 0.1 gigahertz a big difference, guys?

00:09:22   I don't know. - No, no.

00:09:23   - It might be more of a difference

00:09:25   if you're starting at 1.1 in the first place,

00:09:28   but probably not that much of a difference.

00:09:30   - So, who is that?

00:09:35   Thank you Ian for the correction.

00:09:37   Yes, I had that wrong.

00:09:40   When I was looking at this, I noticed on the site, you know we spoke about last week, when

00:09:45   you go to order a MacBook, it's like an iPad where you pick your color and your size, or

00:09:50   speed in this case, and there's a little helper text about what SSD I should buy, and this

00:09:56   page, this text might be on other pages on Apple's site, I didn't search for it, but

00:10:02   But I thought it was really interesting the way that they distinguish if you should buy

00:10:06   the 256 or the 512 gig SSD.

00:10:10   This is what Apple says, if you prefer to store most of your files like music, photos

00:10:14   and movies on iCloud, then the smaller storage size may be a good choice for you.

00:10:19   For people who like to store most of those files on their Mac, the larger capacity is

00:10:23   probably the right fit.

00:10:24   Be sure to consider how your storage needs may change over time.

00:10:28   really good advice but I couldn't help but chuckle at the just iCloud being like

00:10:33   the only other the only alternative right if I have a small disk the only

00:10:37   other places I can put things is iCloud it just kind of made me chuckle like I

00:10:42   don't I'm in the process of playing with iCloud photos and that sort of thing but

00:10:47   yes so I just I don't know if the if there's a consumer that exists that is

00:10:51   savvy enough to put all of their documents and movies and music and

00:10:54   iCloud but also wants to save the couple hundred bucks and get the smaller SSD.

00:11:01   Is any of that sort of appealing to you guys?

00:11:03   Store everything on iCloud and just pull it down when you need it?

00:11:06   Not right now.

00:11:08   I assume eventually, yes.

00:11:11   But not right now.

00:11:13   Yeah I mean I'm so dependent on Dropbox for a lot of work documents.

00:11:21   I mean I do use Unpay for like, I switched to the higher iCloud pricing plan, I'm paying

00:11:28   like 4 euros now.

00:11:30   I do like it for basic syncing and photos of course.

00:11:36   But you know all my files and folders and Dropbox, I don't know, feel kinda uncomfortable

00:11:43   throwing all my eggs in iCloud.

00:11:46   Yeah I don't know what it is.

00:11:47   I have this weird mental block which is the exact opposite.

00:11:51   I think to myself, "Oh, I want to have it in Dropbox because it will be available everywhere,"

00:11:56   when in theory that's exactly what iCloud should be doing.

00:12:00   I think a big part of my personal fear is two factors.

00:12:05   One, there's no website.

00:12:09   Dropbox gives me the idea of being more open because if anything goes wrong with my machines,

00:12:14   I can go to the web, to the website, and I have the files from any web browser.

00:12:19   Yep, and you can only get a small selection of them on the iCloud website as well, can't you?

00:12:23   Exactly. And two, Dropbox is super upfront in like, you can have file versions, you can recover deleted files.

00:12:34   Like, I know that if I'm stupid and I do something that I'm not supposed to do, I can revert my changes.

00:12:40   Yep.

00:12:41   In iCloud, it's like a black box.

00:12:43   Yeah, and that's by design, but that just doesn't work for me and you and Steven.

00:12:48   I want them more control. I actually quite like the idea that it's on all the

00:12:52   machines that's connected to Dropbox. All those files are there as well as being

00:12:56   in the cloud. It's all there, you know? And then I think to myself,

00:13:01   everything that's in my Dropbox in a weird way is also backed up to my time

00:13:05   machine as well. Yeah, because it's... I mean, and that's true for iCloud

00:13:09   documents as well if they're local but say that you upload everything to photos

00:13:14   and then you check that box and say optimize the storage on my Mac and so

00:13:20   you don't have you know you only have a subset of files or you know just

00:13:24   thumbnails locally and so it's it gets a little more gray about what is

00:13:28   actually on my computer. You know iTunes match has the same problem to a degree.

00:13:32   It's definitely interesting I think you know we're in this transition

00:13:36   where things like iCloud and maybe even Dropbox will become more universally

00:13:42   used. I mean I think I think Dropbox has a really good usage rate in people like

00:13:45   us but I think if you go outside of people who listen to tech podcasts I

00:13:50   don't know what Dropbox's you know utilization is like. So I think we'll get

00:13:56   there. I think that that language of like you know get the smaller SSD if you want

00:14:01   iCloud. What's really the most ironic to me about that is that SSD prices are

00:14:07   falling and you can get bigger SSDs now than ever, while companies are also

00:14:12   saying use cloud storage instead. So it's kind of this weird mishmash of messaging

00:14:18   because I mean I could go you know the 512 SSD is not that much money and

00:14:22   that's enough storage for most people at least on a consumer laptop. And so it's

00:14:27   like we're ramping up all these cloud services you can put everything in the

00:14:31   cloud you can do everything magically over wireless but in two years you're

00:14:36   gonna have a big disk again anyway so it's sort of a odd thing to me.

00:14:42   Okey-dokey. What else do we have? What else do we have? We have... I had a little

00:14:51   more follow-out about the USB C connector so you and Jason were speaking

00:14:57   upgrade yesterday about, you know, we're going to go back to this world of you

00:15:04   gotta have all these weird video adapters to hook up to things and that

00:15:07   that sort of feeling and Jason expressed that you know maybe we the world had

00:15:11   solidified around me to display port to a degree and I spend a lot of time in

00:15:18   conference rooms that aren't my own like just in meetings with companies around

00:15:22   town and I could tell you that VGA is still what rules the world. If you're

00:15:27   lucky you get DVI or you get HDMI but as a Mac owner you are still nine times out

00:15:33   of ten adapting out to something else anyways even on a thunderbolt or may

00:15:37   display port machine so I don't think that the idea at least in like the video

00:15:42   world that the MacBook is a bigger pain than previous machines holds up.

00:15:46   Obviously it's a pain in the butt to have an adapter so you can plug in a USB

00:15:50   key like that's sort of ridiculous until some USB C drives come out but the

00:15:56   The thought around the video adapting in particular is kind of what jumped out at me, that I've

00:16:01   been a Mac user, a portable Mac user for a long time, and I've always had to carry adapters,

00:16:05   and that's just the way it is.

00:16:08   It's sad.

00:16:09   I mean, I have like eight adapters in my bag.

00:16:11   It's ridiculous.

00:16:12   Have you ever thought about the fact that all these standards and all these ports, their

00:16:19   names sound like television networks?

00:16:22   Yeah, because they're all abbreviations.

00:16:25   Have you watched the new show on VGA?

00:16:27   [laughter]

00:16:29   I don't know.

00:16:31   Oh no, no, I'm gonna catch it when it goes to HDMI.

00:16:33   [laughter]

00:16:35   So yeah, I don't have

00:16:37   serious thoughts on

00:16:39   VGA and TBI.

00:16:41   But I agree with Steven, in

00:16:43   general. He seems very

00:16:45   knowledgeable about this. About adaptables.

00:16:47   Yeah.

00:16:49   I do a lot of adapting. I'm

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00:19:28   We have a topic zero this week sent in by Danny on Twitter.

00:19:33   Daniel, excuse me, Daniel.

00:19:37   Daniel asked what watch apps we are looking forward to.

00:19:43   And then he challenged us to follow up in six months, which I guess we can do that.

00:19:48   It's actually a really interesting question.

00:19:53   So what about you, Myke?

00:19:54   Why don't you lead us off?

00:19:57   So when we first posed this question, or when I first saw it in the document, I was like,

00:20:01   I don't know.

00:20:03   So I went and took a look at the webpage Apple have created, the App Store apps page for

00:20:09   the Apple Watch.

00:20:10   And I was looking through it and I was like, these all seem kind of interesting, I guess.

00:20:16   But this type of stuff, and we spoke about it before, I feel like a lot of these kinds

00:20:20   of things, you have to really, truly understand the use case of the watch.

00:20:26   So like in general I was thinking some stuff that might be cool and they have an example

00:20:30   of this and this isn't an app that I use but I imagine how I could use something like this

00:20:34   for the stuff that I do.

00:20:35   So Procreate have got a little companion watch app which brings up little tool buttons so

00:20:42   you can like change your tool palettes.

00:20:45   So maybe you want to use like an eraser tool or like a pencil tool and you can tap it on

00:20:51   your watch and then use it.

00:20:52   Now I'm thinking how cool it would be when I'm editing a podcast to just tap my watch

00:20:57   to pause it or something like that, which I do quite a lot because I need to go in and

00:21:01   do something.

00:21:02   There are little things like that where I'm like, "That could be quite interesting to

00:21:05   use."

00:21:06   And I hope that Apple will make something like that for Logic Pro because they made

00:21:10   an iPad app.

00:21:11   They made a companion iPad app which does that stuff.

00:21:14   And then I started thinking about what apps have I seen that I'm interested in.

00:21:17   I like the idea of having OmniFocus.

00:21:20   I've seen that OmniFocus are gonna be having

00:21:23   like a kind of a quick kind of dashboard view

00:21:25   of what's going on in your world,

00:21:27   which I think looks really interesting.

00:21:29   And I think about maybe, I haven't seen it,

00:21:32   I don't know if they're working on one,

00:21:33   something like Fantastical in the same kind of way.

00:21:36   'Cause I was thinking, you know,

00:21:36   if I look at my notification center,

00:21:40   there are things that I really like there.

00:21:42   I did think, what about a world clock app?

00:21:44   If there is not a world clock app,

00:21:46   if there are not a thousand world clock apps

00:21:49   for the Apple Watch and someone has horrifically failed.

00:21:52   Because that's the obvious one.

00:21:55   And then I guess from there it's kind of like,

00:21:58   I'm kind of gonna wait and see.

00:22:00   'Cause all the things that they showed on stage,

00:22:02   I thought were really cool.

00:22:03   Like Shazam I thought was quite a clever use.

00:22:07   Stuff like, I don't know,

00:22:09   the hotel room stuff looked really cool.

00:22:12   So I'm really excited to see,

00:22:14   but for me it's kind of like,

00:22:15   what kind of products, what kind of apps can there be

00:22:18   that take advantage of just interesting tidbits of information.

00:22:24   That's what I'm really excited about.

00:22:26   The Shazam demo from the event from last week, it was really cool.

00:22:31   Yeah, I think that might have been the most impressive third-party app, because the way

00:22:35   it showed the lyrics!

00:22:36   Yeah, I mean, the people were going crazy in the audience.

00:22:40   It was like, "Oh man, this is awesome," you know?

00:22:42   I'm just thinking, like, all the times that I'm trying to recognize a song, and because

00:22:50   I have to pick up my iPhone and unlock the iPhone, find Shazam, and then, you know, do

00:22:55   the actual recognition.

00:22:56   So many times I lost a song, like when I was in a store or during a TV show, and, you know,

00:23:03   to have that on my wrist, I mean, there's probably the same concern of having to find,

00:23:09   the Shazam icon on the home screen of the watch, but I think it'll be faster. I don't know,

00:23:13   I just think it'll be faster. Probably because it's always there on your wrist.

00:23:16   So I've been thinking about the same kind of thing, like will it be quicker or not?

00:23:20   And I don't know yet. I don't know yet. But in general, I think I'm excited about, you know,

00:23:26   this kind of new lifestyle apps from the from the Apple web page. There's a Lifesum, which is the

00:23:36   the app that I use to track my calories, the food that I eat, and just in general to have

00:23:42   a daily breakdown of my calorie intake, they're going to have an Apple Watch app that shows

00:23:50   you a very simple interface with colored graphs for how many calories are left in your day,

00:23:59   water, how much water you've drank so far, and I think exercise time.

00:24:07   So that's kind of cool, because it uses the glanceability of the watch to show you information

00:24:14   that's not too complex and that makes sense to have on your wrist.

00:24:18   And also, I'm excited, I think, about the media consumption aspect.

00:24:26   I know that Marco is making an overcast version for the watch.

00:24:31   And of course music, both from Apple and also music streaming from Spotify.

00:24:36   I'm just assuming that they're going to have a watch app.

00:24:39   Because I don't know if I'll have to buy Bluetooth earbuds

00:24:45   or if I'm just going to keep my phone in my pocket

00:24:48   and have the earbuds going with the cable into my pocket.

00:24:51   pocket because I'm just so excited about the idea of controlling music from my watch, just

00:24:57   to pause and play, to skip directly from my wrist.

00:25:00   And of course, while I was compiling my list of watch apps that I'm looking forward to,

00:25:07   Google Maps, because I'm still learning my way around Rome, there's many areas of Rome

00:25:14   that I don't know really well, and I use Google Maps because I think it's more accurate for

00:25:19   Italy for Rome in general maybe. So I wanna see what Google does, you know with Google

00:25:25   Maps with notifications on your wrist. Kinda excited about this. And last, my to-do list,

00:25:32   with to-do list, I know they're making an Apple Watch version and I know that I said

00:25:38   I don't wanna have iPhone apps on my watch, I wanna have new stuff on my watch, I wanna

00:25:47   try apps that really kind of rethink their sort of purpose on the watch. But I mean the

00:25:53   idea of being able to check off my tasks directly from the watch is kind of cool, you know?

00:25:59   Yeah I like the sound of that too.

00:26:01   To dictate items directly into my kind of James Bond style into the watch is kind of

00:26:08   awesome. So I want to try that.

00:26:11   I'm not interested in any games though, there's a few games on this page and I don't know

00:26:15   why there's games but fine. I definitely agree with what you guys said things

00:26:22   like being reminded you know discreetly of a task that's due is gonna be is

00:26:27   gonna be big I think I'm excited even though it's not a third party I'm excited

00:26:32   about the built-in stuff with messaging so you know if someone sends me something

00:26:37   I can just reply very quickly I think that's gonna be be a nice especially you

00:26:44   know if you've got your hands full or something or you know with the family I

00:26:48   can just quickly do something and get back to it. I think that's sort of where

00:26:52   I'm excited not so much about like the type of app at this point but what those

00:26:57   apps could do as far as speeding things up. I do think that I will start out with

00:27:02   a relatively small number of apps and my plan is to add kind of as things come up

00:27:07   and not so much about let me find a counterpart for everything that's on my

00:27:10   iPhone like I want to ease into it. Something like Dark Sky might be

00:27:17   really really nice but is that you're necessarily you know on the wrist I

00:27:23   don't know I think time will sort of tell with me as far as how far down

00:27:26   that road I go. Yeah I'm listening to that I know I'm not gonna do this but I

00:27:31   would really like to just kind of just learn what it can do first yeah before

00:27:37   before adding things but I know I'm just gonna like run to the App Store.

00:27:40   Well you're gonna learn what it does by downloading apps. I mean it's like...

00:27:46   No but like learn what Apple has made rather than trying to replace it. Like you know

00:27:51   looking for a calendar app, looking for messaging apps, looking for you know a

00:27:55   fitness app, looking for you know all those things like trying to find

00:27:59   Google Maps straight away rather than using Apple Maps and you know because

00:28:03   Because I think Apple Maps will only have the left/right tapping thing.

00:28:10   Maybe, possible, yeah.

00:28:12   So I want to try all that stuff.

00:28:14   For sure, yeah.

00:28:16   I get the argument, I want to see Apple's first party apps first.

00:28:21   That was all we had with the iPhone.

00:28:23   True, yeah.

00:28:24   I'm so excited about the messaging, like Steven said, and the fitness application.

00:28:28   I wanna like big for you know all this health up on the iPhone and I wanna yeah I mean I

00:28:39   wanna do the same with the new fitness app I wanna unlock all the badges and start tracking

00:28:45   my progress in the fitness app.

00:28:47   That's coming to the iPhone too right?

00:28:49   It's coming to the iPhone once you pair with an Apple watch you're going to have the fitness

00:28:54   app on I think already on iOS 8.2. It's just automatically unlocked once you have a watch.

00:29:02   But I'm also kind of... I want to know... I have two questions. First, if I have the same app,

00:29:08   both on my phone and on my watch, and a notification comes in, do I get the notification

00:29:14   on both devices, or just on the watch? I'm very interested in this too. Like, how does that happen?

00:29:19   because I don't want that to happen.

00:29:20   I don't want to hear two sounds for sure.

00:29:23   My second question is all these fitness apps for the iPhone,

00:29:27   I mean they're able to write active calories into the health app for the iPhone.

00:29:34   So for instance today I had my FitStar workout and I have 98 active calories in my health app.

00:29:42   What's going to happen with the new fitness app?

00:29:45   are they going to add minutes of exercise

00:29:49   to the fitness app through native APIs?

00:29:52   I'm kind of confused by this.

00:29:54   There's going to be the health app,

00:29:56   there's going to be the fitness app,

00:29:57   and I wanna know what's gonna happen basically,

00:30:00   because I don't wanna be in the scenario

00:30:03   where there's an app that writes data into the health app

00:30:06   and there's the fitness app, which is separate.

00:30:08   I'm kind of confused by third-party app compatibility.

00:30:12   So many questions left.

00:30:14   But it's coming up in a month, right?

00:30:18   Like, in about a month, yeah.

00:30:21   I'm also considering, do I have to go to France or to Germany or to London to get a watch?

00:30:30   Because it's not coming to Italy first.

00:30:32   Oh, is it not?

00:30:34   Nope.

00:30:35   See you in London, buddy.

00:30:36   Oh, man.

00:30:37   I mean, you've done that with the iPad and iPhone, right?

00:30:42   gone or had or ordered one and had it shipped to you that sort of thing

00:30:46   yeah yeah but it's more I'm guessing it's more difficult with the with the

00:30:50   watch you know because of sizes and the bands I mean I do want to try one before

00:30:55   it's not like a phone that you I mean I know the phone I know the color the

00:30:59   model the size and it's just the phone a watch because it's something that you

00:31:03   wear I cannot say hey friend from France can you go to the Apple Store for me and

00:31:08   pick up a watch for me and ship it to me to Italy I mean it's different and

00:31:13   then I should come up with a plan soon I think. If you want to pay my airfare I'll

00:31:19   bring one for you. Yeah I'm just gonna pay the arrival flight to Rome and then

00:31:27   you'll be stuck. Then I'm on my own. Yeah I mean if history says anything is he won't visit you

00:31:32   while he's there he's just gonna drop the watch off and leave. That would be

00:31:35   That would be so Myke. You're just gonna put the watch in my mailbox and return home.

00:31:42   That's terrible. Yeah, it's interesting. I think I remember when the app store rolled

00:31:50   out in 2008, kind of the anticipation that came with that of what could I do on my phone?

00:31:57   And I had some web apps, like there was a Twitter web app that someone had done that

00:32:01   was pretty decent and a couple other things like Google Reader had a you know

00:32:05   it was responsive and I had some like really core tasks that I knew that I

00:32:09   wanted apps for on day one. I bet you had remember the milk too didn't you? I did

00:32:13   because that's what I was using at the time. They...jokes. It's only six months until he goes back to it again.

00:32:24   Yeah, yeah for sure. Every now and then. So I had web apps and I knew they were native apps I wanted to

00:32:30   find, you know, replacements and do something native. But I think about that

00:32:36   core functionality and those things Twitter, RSS, that's you know to do, that's

00:32:41   sort of what I'm still doing on my phone. But at the same time there are whole

00:32:45   categories of things that weren't possible as web apps that you know now

00:32:49   my phone can do all sorts of things that you know I

00:32:53   couldn't imagine in 2008. I think some of that magic is gone here because we

00:32:59   kind of know, well we definitely know what smartphones do, and we kind of know

00:33:03   what smartwatches can do, but I think maybe not with WatchKit, but maybe when

00:33:07   the full SDK is out, I wonder what kind of things that we can't really think of

00:33:13   today are going to show up on these things that will be, you know, mission

00:33:17   critical to us in a year or two year or three years into the watch. And that's

00:33:22   exciting to me, you know, to think about what the possibilities are. I think any

00:33:27   app, you know kind of to back up to y'all's point a second ago, I think any

00:33:32   app has to solve or answer the question of why do I exist on the watch and not

00:33:36   just the phone like what makes it better about it being on the wrist. I think

00:33:40   developers really need to think about that and I think apps to succeed will

00:33:47   succeed in part because they do something that is better because it's on

00:33:51   the wrist because it's always on you. You know if your phone's in your pocket or

00:33:53   if your phone is in the other room and you just have your watch on, you know,

00:33:59   what sort of opportunities that presents, I think that like it's gonna be a really

00:34:03   fun place to watch over the next couple years. I say we're at least six months

00:34:08   out from from even the beginnings of that. I think so too, I mean I think I

00:34:13   think honestly I think a lot of it is the watch kit kind of defines what sort

00:34:16   of apps you can build. I think if once the fuller SDK is out I think that'll be

00:34:20   sort of that explosion in new ideas.

00:34:25   - I'm just thinking from the perspective of people

00:34:27   don't understand the device yet,

00:34:29   'cause they don't have-- - Oh yeah, no.

00:34:30   - But yeah, that's totally true.

00:34:32   That like once we get more apps,

00:34:35   like that's gonna, once we get more capability for apps,

00:34:38   that's gonna change things even further.

00:34:41   - Yeah, but it'll be fun.

00:34:43   - You know what I think is going to be different?

00:34:45   I think it's the way that people will see you

00:34:49   with the first generation Apple watch as an early adopter will ask you to check it out.

00:34:56   Basically like when the first iPhone came out or when the iPad came out and you use

00:35:01   one in public, people were like, "Hey, that's an iPhone or that's an iPad.

00:35:06   Can I try it?"

00:35:07   And I think it'll be different with the watch for two reasons because Apple is so much popular

00:35:12   now and I think more people know what Apple is doing.

00:35:16   And second, because it's something that you wear, it'll be strange for others to say,

00:35:21   "Hey, can I try it?"

00:35:22   Because I mean, it's your watch.

00:35:23   Yeah, you'd have to take it off and give it to them.

00:35:26   Yeah.

00:35:27   I mean, it's like going to somebody and say, "Oh, nice shirt.

00:35:29   Can I try it?"

00:35:30   I mean, in that scenario, I would show people.

00:35:33   Yeah.

00:35:34   But you know, so many times I just handed my iPhone or my iPad over to someone else

00:35:40   and be like, "Yeah, sure.

00:35:42   Just try it."

00:35:43   with the watch it's different.

00:35:45   - That's a good point.

00:35:47   I do think though, I do think it will jump out more,

00:35:50   you know, 'cause people were already doing things

00:35:52   on handheld devices.

00:35:54   Most people don't do things on their wrist now.

00:35:56   So I think there will be a period of time

00:35:59   where it's strange and that, you know,

00:36:02   you might feel self-conscious if you're in a waiting room

00:36:04   doing something on your watch,

00:36:06   but I do think it will have a broader knowledge,

00:36:11   kind of, you know, Apple's starting out

00:36:12   is a much bigger company than they were in 2007.

00:36:16   Something that I'm really looking forward to, I remember when I got the iPhone and I

00:36:19   got the iPad and I would find these cool little things that it did and I would demonstrate

00:36:22   them to friends and family. Like, look at this thing! Look at what it does!

00:36:27   So in private you do mic tips.

00:36:30   Yeah, mic tips. It's all about mic tips around here. But you know, if it does a thing, like

00:36:36   you find it does a thing, and you're impressed by it, like the page flipping in iBooks. You

00:36:42   like these little interesting things that it does that you think are really

00:36:45   cool and you want to show them to other people. I'm looking forward, I am very

00:36:49   much looking forward to just a very basic level having a brand new Apple

00:36:52   product like that really excites me. So is your is your girlfriend Myke

00:36:58   getting a watch? She is actually. Oh yeah? Yeah she wants one. Which model? She'll

00:37:05   probably go... she wants to see them. Edition? Yeah she's going in edition.

00:37:10   and I'm going bankrupt no she's thinking about 38 millimeter naturally she's yeah

00:37:17   she's quite small and she's thinking she's gonna get sport most likely but

00:37:21   she doesn't know what bad yet she she will probably wait until she can go and

00:37:25   try one on probably like won't pre-order but but she is very much in session get

00:37:30   one and I want her to get one as well because there are so many when I look at

00:37:35   and the reason that she wants one is I showed her the communication stuff and

00:37:38   She's very interested in that.

00:37:39   - You just wanna send her the heartbeat.

00:37:41   - Yeah, I do, I do.

00:37:43   - You're so sweet.

00:37:44   - Thank you, that's someone to you too.

00:37:46   And she likes that, and she likes the idea,

00:37:50   the same as I do of us having that kind of communication.

00:37:52   'Cause we have, as many couples do,

00:37:55   we have our own kind of languagey type.

00:37:59   And so we send just simple words to each other

00:38:03   throughout the day just to kind of keep that connection.

00:38:06   And I think that it's gonna be so much more different

00:38:10   for us not to actually send those words anymore,

00:38:12   but to send pictures and send taps and things like that.

00:38:15   I think that that is gonna be big

00:38:18   in the way that we communicate.

00:38:19   Because so much of the conversation that we have,

00:38:22   there isn't much, we're not having the conversation

00:38:27   to have a conversation, it's just we're exchanging words

00:38:30   to keep in contact.

00:38:32   And I think us sharing contact in that way

00:38:36   is gonna make the device quite powerful.

00:38:38   And I think she clearly sees that,

00:38:39   which is why she wants one,

00:38:41   because she's not, she's interested in technology,

00:38:45   but up until like six months ago,

00:38:47   she was using an iPhone 4S,

00:38:49   and now she has my old iPhone 5.

00:38:51   She's not that, she doesn't feel the need

00:38:55   for the new devices, but she wants that, so.

00:38:58   - Yeah, I think that's a great point.

00:39:01   The communication between a couple,

00:39:06   you know, you have your own language and little, little... it's like little family memes in a way,

00:39:12   like stuff that only makes sense to you. And I think for me, I was listening to you and

00:39:19   basically every time we record the show, while there's a break, I ask my girlfriend who's in

00:39:26   the other room to usually to either bring me coffee, so an espresso or some water,

00:39:32   you know, stuff like that. And I'm thinking now, what if we had a watch and I could just, you know,

00:39:37   during the show double tap the watch and she gets a double tap and she knows that it's supposed to

00:39:41   mean like, "Can I get an espresso please?" You know, that kind of rapid and private communication.

00:39:48   I think it's actually a great point. And I don't remember if it was from the from the Apple event

00:39:54   or from the BuzzFeed video that they made, but it was like there was someone who was saying just

00:40:00   exactly this point. I can send my friend a tap or a sketch and she knows what I mean.

00:40:07   And I think that will be huge for people.

00:40:09   Yeah, I've seen a lot of people criticize that Buzzfeed video, but I really liked it.

00:40:13   No, it was great. It was awesome.

00:40:14   I really liked it.

00:40:15   Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:16   So, I'll put that in the show notes in case people haven't seen it. Stephen Hackett, where

00:40:20   can people find the show notes?

00:40:22   You can visit our website in your web browser. The web page is www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed.

00:40:29   relay.fm/connected/31

00:40:34   Excellent stuff.

00:40:35   3-1.

00:40:36   Now, I took a field trip yesterday and I want to tell you guys all about it, but before that,

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00:42:49   this show and relay FM. So I was in town yesterday and I was close to Covent

00:42:55   Garden and I figured I would pop in to the Apple Store to try full-stutch

00:43:00   because I figured that they would have the new MacBook Pros, the updated MacBook

00:43:05   Pros with the full-stutch trackpad in them. So I went into the store and I will

00:43:10   backtrack to that in a moment and I walked over to the MacBook stand. There

00:43:14   was nothing immediately obvious to tell me which had false touch and which didn't.

00:43:21   So I went to the 13 inch renders and I turned it on, so I clicked it and assumed that I

00:43:30   was on an old one because it just felt like normal.

00:43:34   And then I went to system preferences and it had a new little checkbox and some trackpad

00:43:39   sensitivity stuff.

00:43:40   So I was like "hmm, okay".

00:43:42   And then I looked at the little iPad that was next to it and it scrolled around like

00:43:45   on its little demo wheel to tell me about Force Touch.

00:43:49   And my brain I think dripped out of my ears at that point.

00:43:53   This thing is insane.

00:43:55   Like Federico you've used this right?

00:43:57   You've talked about it last week.

00:44:00   Force Touch is one of the weirdest things I have ever come into contact with on an Apple

00:44:05   computer.

00:44:06   It is like voodoo magic.

00:44:09   It is freaky.

00:44:10   It's so strange.

00:44:12   I cannot understand what they're doing.

00:44:15   All I know is it's terrifying me

00:44:17   because it feels like it's fundamentally breaking my brain

00:44:21   because these force touch track pads feel,

00:44:25   like it's not even like, oh kind of,

00:44:27   they feel exactly the same, if not better,

00:44:30   because you can click like with the same,

00:44:33   and it feels like you're activating the click

00:44:35   in the same pressure all over the place, right?

00:44:37   Where like, if you, if I click in,

00:44:40   I actually can't click the top left of my trackpad

00:44:43   on my MacBook Pro, but you can do that on these

00:44:48   because it's not giving any travel.

00:44:50   I cannot even.

00:44:51   It's insane.

00:44:54   I also tried out the, like how you can press hard down

00:44:58   to like open quick look.

00:45:00   I couldn't get this to work 100% of the time,

00:45:02   but I think I was doing something wrong.

00:45:04   I feel like you could need to adjust,

00:45:06   I needed to adjust the sensitivity or whatever,

00:45:07   but it was working.

00:45:10   I just couldn't get it to work every time.

00:45:12   But it feels like you're pushing through it.

00:45:16   So when you really push down hard,

00:45:19   it feels like you're going into the track pad,

00:45:22   which is the weirdest sensation.

00:45:24   Again, no idea how they're doing this.

00:45:27   Did you feel that way Federico,

00:45:28   that it felt like you were like indenting it?

00:45:31   - Exactly the same.

00:45:32   I felt like I was going into the track pad.

00:45:37   Because I'm applying stronger pressure,

00:45:39   I expect the trackpad to move physically down.

00:45:44   And that's the sensation that you get.

00:45:46   That's the-- like, it feels like you're going down

00:45:50   into the trackpad.

00:45:51   And you get also that kind of feedback from the trackpad.

00:45:54   But actually, it doesn't move.

00:45:56   And it's all these new engine and these sensors

00:46:00   under the trackpad which shake horizontally and provide you,

00:46:06   thanks to some crazy Apple technology,

00:46:08   with this sense of going down vertically.

00:46:11   And it's crazy and it's freaky because it's a real life,

00:46:16   like it feels normal, totally normal.

00:46:19   And then they tell you how it works

00:46:21   and you're like, no way.

00:46:22   - Yeah, it's like they're lying.

00:46:25   - This is not what I'm feeling.

00:46:26   - Yeah, they may as well be lying to me

00:46:27   because it doesn't, like I urge anybody listening

00:46:31   to go to your local Apple store and try this

00:46:34   because you can, they have them in the MacBook Pros

00:46:37   and it's like... I'm blown away by this. Because it's so weird.

00:46:44   It's crazy. And it's a great example of what sounds like a tiny change, but actually can

00:46:52   have really big consequences on how you use a computer, or just like thinking about the

00:47:00   future of Apple devices getting this sort of technology. I just had a link yesterday

00:47:06   or Mac stories from this person who has a blog called Alex4D.

00:47:13   And basically Alex argues that assuming that First Touch is coming to iOS devices in the

00:47:20   future, this could potentially be huge for adding basically a new dimension to the interface.

00:47:28   Because there's a demo that you gotta either ask Apple to receive or if you read the KBase

00:47:38   really carefully, you can see there in the new iMovie, besides the clicks and the force

00:47:44   touch, what's the name, the long click?

00:47:50   Yeah, force clicking.

00:47:52   The force clicking?

00:47:53   That's those two types of clicks. There's also the fact that when you drag and drop,

00:47:59   you can feel the end and the beginning of a clip in iMovie. There's a physical dimension

00:48:08   for the clip in the iMovie interface. You feel when it ends and when it starts. That's

00:48:14   crazy to think about that. When I'm going over the trackpad on this flat surface, I

00:48:20   actually feel the depth of software, of the interface.

00:48:25   And that's interesting to think about in relation to wondering whether First Touch and this

00:48:31   kind of feedback could be coming to iOS in the future.

00:48:34   And I was thinking yesterday when I read this post from Alex4D, what if the iOS 7 redesign

00:48:42   was meant to bring this kind of feedback and clarity in the future?

00:48:46   Because can you imagine, with the Skeuomorphic interface, having tactile feedback all the

00:48:53   time from leather, physical buttons, plastic textures, all these weird interface elements.

00:49:01   Instead, having a more clear, maybe neutral interface, it helps when you want to add feedback

00:49:12   just for some elements like buttons, like tabs or menus.

00:49:17   I think it's interesting to think about for the future.

00:49:22   Maybe not even this year, maybe a couple of years down the road.

00:49:24   I don't know.

00:49:26   Yeah, it's also interesting from a...

00:49:30   There could be some really interesting assistive technology stuff here as well with impaired

00:49:37   vision or things like that where it could give them another way another

00:49:43   opportunity for feedback from the device of what's going on and I think it's

00:49:48   really interesting from all those things I think that I may be thing is really

00:49:52   genius that you know you're we've all done it you know we've done in logic as

00:49:56   well you're scrubbing over and you overshoot where you need to be or and

00:50:00   just giving you that little bump of like hey this is where you are I would imagine

00:50:04   once you get used to that in a program it becomes really just very second

00:50:09   nature and becomes just part of the experience. I for one welcome our new

00:50:14   haptic overlords and hope that this does spread throughout their product line

00:50:19   where it makes sense. I really want it on every device. Yeah you and I both own

00:50:26   Retina 13-inch MacBook Pros. They're the same age. We have almost exactly the same

00:50:32   machine and mine has cooler stickers than yours though it's so old and crappy

00:50:36   now again I said it's an upgrade like I'm kind of okay with it because I use

00:50:41   my MacBook on like one of those stands and I use a mouse for RSI reasons

00:50:48   right I don't have RSI but like I get repetitive strain pains like every now

00:50:54   and then so I'm trying to keep all that stuff at bay so I try to use the track

00:50:58   and the keyboard on my Mac as little as possible but it is super cool and I

00:51:04   would maybe like a magic trackpad yeah anyway yeah one other thing I wanted to

00:51:10   mention now I said I'll come back to this and so as I walked into the store I

00:51:14   got a little bit excited because all I could see on the walls were huge

00:51:21   pictures of the Apple watch right the marketing pictures not for sale yet and

00:51:26   And I was like, "Maybe they have one."

00:51:29   And I know it sounds crazy,

00:51:30   but anybody who's listened to this show for long enough

00:51:33   will remember my crazy story where like,

00:51:35   randomly one day iPod touches arrived in the UK

00:51:38   earlier than expected, and I bought one.

00:51:40   So I was like, "Who knows?"

00:51:43   Comic Garden, it's like one of the biggest Apple stores

00:51:46   in the entire world, like you never know.

00:51:48   Like, you never know.

00:51:49   So I went in, and just all around the walls

00:51:53   were pictures of the Apple Watch.

00:51:55   but obviously there were no watches there.

00:51:57   And then on all of the other walls,

00:51:58   it was either a picture of a gold iPhone

00:52:00   or a picture of the new MacBooks.

00:52:02   Now, I was on one floor, I was on one floor,

00:52:04   of the main floor where all the products are

00:52:06   on the main floor, like they got the phones, the iPads,

00:52:09   they got all of the Macs in there.

00:52:11   It's really big, this store.

00:52:13   - So which Apple store is this?

00:52:14   - Covent Garden.

00:52:15   - Okay.

00:52:17   - And I'm looking around and I'm kind of working out

00:52:20   in my head, like over three quarters

00:52:22   of the product marketing in the Apple store

00:52:25   is for products that aren't only not on sale yet,

00:52:29   but will not be in the stores

00:52:30   for like another three or four weeks.

00:52:33   And that is really weird to me.

00:52:36   Like it's confusing for one,

00:52:39   like to go into the store and the products,

00:52:42   a bunch of them are like old, right?

00:52:46   Or they're like, you know, they're not gonna be replaced,

00:52:48   but there's new stuff coming like in the MacBook line,

00:52:50   for example.

00:52:52   I felt sad for everybody looking at the MacBook Air.

00:52:54   I was like, oh, just don't buy it just yet.

00:52:57   You need to just wait and see

00:52:58   'cause you might like the other one.

00:53:00   And it's just super weird to me

00:53:01   to see all of this product marketing

00:53:03   for products that aren't in the store yet.

00:53:06   I just found it really, really weird.

00:53:08   - But what if that's the point,

00:53:10   to get people to ask, hey, do you have one yet?

00:53:13   - I mean, but they're not even labeled.

00:53:18   - Yeah, I mean, but people know what is it.

00:53:20   it's a watch. No the watch, I mean like the watches I think there's more of them

00:53:25   with the MacBook but but it is still strange to me to see the just these

00:53:29   pictures of the watches just everywhere and like but they're not even near like

00:53:34   to being in a store. I don't know I'm not it's not really a criticism it just seemed

00:53:38   really strange and because I can't think of a time where like that all these

00:53:41   products are like always still a month away from all of them it just you know

00:53:46   It hasn't been like that in a while, I think.

00:53:49   I don't know.

00:53:51   Yeah, it's been six years, five years since the first, I mean, since the last new, really

00:54:00   new Apple device, right?

00:54:02   Because the iPad was, I mean, unless you count the new Mac Pro, the last device was the iPad

00:54:10   five years ago.

00:54:11   I mean, I'm super excited, you know?

00:54:13   I'm kind of sad that it's not coming to Italy with the launch countries.

00:54:21   That seems really weird to me.

00:54:22   I thought they would have gone for the fashion centers more, but it seems like not.

00:54:26   We don't matter.

00:54:27   That's the reason.

00:54:30   Is Italy a small market for Apple then?

00:54:32   It's in like wave two, right?

00:54:35   There's many problems in Italy, Myke.

00:54:37   Not just a small market for Apple.

00:54:41   I don't know.

00:54:42   I feel like we don't matter in many ways.

00:54:45   Well you matter Federico.

00:54:47   Thank you.

00:54:49   I feel like in general we're not...

00:54:55   As a nation, as a country, we don't take us seriously enough.

00:54:59   But that's another topic.

00:55:01   We should have a politics show on reading.

00:55:04   Nope.

00:55:05   Nope!

00:55:06   Let's take a quick break.

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00:57:55   So guys, there's a rumor that Apple is about to launch a service called QuickTime TV.

00:58:02   And Steven has all the details.

00:58:05   Steven's got the hot scoop on QuickTime TV.

00:58:07   That's right.

00:58:08   Can you tell us more Steven about this tech meme worthy headline that you discovered?

00:58:17   Yes.

00:58:19   It's the year is 1999.

00:58:22   So if you'll dial back with me, we're going to go in the Wayback Machine, and it's 1999,

00:58:29   that means Myke is 13 years old.

00:58:31   Wow.

00:58:32   It's 11.

00:58:33   No, I'm 11.

00:58:34   You're 11?

00:58:35   I'm 11 too, I'm 11 too, and really into, I think, PlayStation.

00:58:43   Steven was 25.

00:58:44   I say I'm 46.

00:58:48   So Apple announces in 1999 QuickTime TV, and there's a bunch of links in the show notes

00:58:53   I want to point out too.

00:58:56   One going to Macworld, so it's an article from October 1999 with an ad for an Apple

00:59:03   Watch thing next to it which is really funny.

00:59:06   And basically what QuickTime TV was, you had the QuickTime player on the Mac and there

00:59:09   were channels that plugged into it and you could stream media.

00:59:14   So there was a streaming service as well and there was a bunch of different things.

00:59:19   Another link in the show notes is to a archive.org page which is just full of goodies from the

00:59:30   time period.

00:59:31   There's a Britney Spears video you can watch.

00:59:33   You can watch "Seeing Into the Headline News."

00:59:35   You can watch a Nine Inch Nails or an NSYNC video.

00:59:38   Wow, it's like a time capsule.

00:59:40   It really...

00:59:41   This is Steven's life, Myke.

00:59:43   Yeah.

00:59:44   The Wayback Machine link is from 2001. Good Times, Quicktime TV didn't do very

00:59:53   well. Obviously 1999, 2000, 2001. Internet connection speeds were a big issue when

01:00:01   you're talking about streaming rich media like this and I think they

01:00:05   struggled to get content on board. I did come across an Apple PR article from

01:00:11   2000 where Apple announced the second annual QuickTime Live conference. Okay I

01:00:17   know a lot about Apple history I've never come across the QuickTime Live

01:00:24   conference so now it's my duty to find out everything I can about it and write

01:00:29   it up. In the QuickTime Live conference guys let me just tell you what we could

01:00:34   experience if we were back in time. 48 conference sessions with professional

01:00:39   level training on QuickTime content development and deployment. That's a lot. Did this ever

01:00:44   take place? Listen to this, it did. Nine intensive full day workshops. Nine, nine, two

01:00:51   work weeks, full workshop, full day workshop. That's twice the size of WWDC. Workshops for what?

01:00:58   They're, these workshops Federico, Federico I'm glad you asked because these

01:01:03   workshops Federico, they focus on popular authoring tools, deployment technologies,

01:01:07   QuickTime VR and QuickTime Streaming.

01:01:10   - Wow.

01:01:12   - There was a product showcase featuring streaming media

01:01:14   and distribution solutions for more than 50 companies.

01:01:18   And the last bullet point,

01:01:19   a number of other special events.

01:01:22   If you guys wanna go to this.

01:01:23   - Oh my God, Steven, there's I found on eBay,

01:01:29   Apple Vintage QuickTime Live Sweatshirt,

01:01:33   LG Conference Faculty Speaker

01:01:36   That's my size.

01:01:37   That's my size.

01:01:38   That's my size.

01:01:39   Oh my God.

01:01:40   Buy me a sweatshirt.

01:01:41   There's a, I'm putting the link in the chat room.

01:01:45   So the conference really, really existed.

01:01:48   It did.

01:01:49   There's a sweatshirt.

01:01:50   It's $33.

01:01:51   I'm not going to buy that as a joke.

01:01:53   No, you need to buy this.

01:01:54   I hate sweatshirts.

01:01:58   Can you imagine wearing that to WWDC?

01:02:00   That would be really awesome.

01:02:02   So if we want to go to this conference, again that happened 15 years ago, it's $1,200 per

01:02:10   attendee.

01:02:11   I still don't believe it happened.

01:02:13   If you guys just want to do the workshops, if you just want to come for nine days, it's

01:02:16   $400.

01:02:17   Oh, I'll do that one.

01:02:19   Yeah, so I think that's in the budget.

01:02:22   So QuickTime TV, Apple has gone on this path in the past.

01:02:27   Again, wasn't super successful.

01:02:29   I think it was, I think QuickTime and all was sort of, you know, Apple early on with

01:02:36   the Mac made a play for desktop publishing.

01:02:39   I think with OS X they made a play for streaming and video production type stuff.

01:02:45   And it was a little early.

01:02:47   But it's really interesting because now, as Federico explained to us, there's a Wall Street

01:02:51   Journal article saying that this might be coming back around a little bit.

01:02:55   Yeah, according to this Wall Street Journal report, Apple is working on this new web-based

01:03:03   television service.

01:03:05   It'll have about 25 channels with the likes of ABC, CBS, FOX, other networks and broadcasters

01:03:14   are apparently on board with Apple's plan to have this new web service.

01:03:20   And what's interesting, and kind of weird also, is that being a web TV service, it'll

01:03:27   be not just exclusive to the rumored Apple TV or Apple Television, whatever Jim Master

01:03:34   wants to call it, it'll be available to every Apple device, because it'll be web-based,

01:03:40   it'll be essentially streaming.

01:03:42   Streaming TV from Apple with these big channel names on board.

01:03:47   And John Gruber and Jim Adelup are saying to take this with a grain of salt because

01:03:53   the WSJ has not been so accurate lately.

01:03:58   And so there we go, we have this new rumor, it will be priced at around $30-40 a month.

01:04:07   So while we were talking about this before the show, Steven somehow remembered of QuickTime

01:04:14   TV and this QuickTime conference. So Apple has tried this before. Of course, so many

01:04:20   things have changed, especially because now Apple has a bunch of devices where you can

01:04:24   stream video to. And I mean, we talked about the television before, and I'm pretty sure

01:04:29   my argument was "Okay, fine, cool and all that, but is this going to be a television?

01:04:35   If Apple really does it, is it going to be a television for also the international market?

01:04:41   I'll be able from Italy to get my DTV, how it's called here, the digital TV, will I be

01:04:47   able to do that, to watch that on an Apple device?

01:04:51   Or will I have to do kind of what Microsoft wants me to do with the Xbox One to basically

01:04:58   let my TV signal pass through the Xbox One interface?

01:05:02   So we talked about this before, there's a new rumor, a Web TV service, what do you guys

01:05:07   think?

01:05:10   I think it's interesting for a couple of reasons.

01:05:13   You know, you look at, you know, you brought the Xbox,

01:05:17   but you look at the PlayStation,

01:05:18   you look at things like the Roku.

01:05:20   A lot of those devices just pull in content

01:05:24   from third parties, right?

01:05:25   So they have a Netflix channel, Hulu, Yahoo,

01:05:27   which is very similar to where the Apple TV is now,

01:05:32   where it's sort of these other companies

01:05:35   and they're putting their content on it.

01:05:37   And you know, you can go through that content,

01:05:39   the interfaces aren't that great.

01:05:41   But this seems like something a little bit different

01:05:44   where this is talking about much closer

01:05:48   to a cable subscription that is just online

01:05:51   is the way that I read that.

01:05:54   So I think it's a little bit different there.

01:05:56   My big question is does this solve the problem

01:06:00   that the Apple TV has that it's maybe not super great

01:06:05   to use sometimes?

01:06:06   Is this gonna be on the Apple TV hardware?

01:06:09   Is this some other hardware?

01:06:10   Is this just a service and there's an iPad app

01:06:12   and you AirPlay it?

01:06:13   I mean, there's a lot of those sort of nitty gritty questions

01:06:15   that come to mind for me.

01:06:17   I don't know.

01:06:20   - I'm not massively interested in something like this.

01:06:24   I mean, one, I know that it's not gonna come to the UK

01:06:27   and then even if it does, I can't see the people,

01:06:32   like the channels that I would want if it did,

01:06:34   they're just not gonna be there for a while if at all

01:06:37   because it's it's basically the channels that you would want are provided by Sky

01:06:42   and Sky are, Sky are like they're very

01:06:46   they don't really have a lot of competition here.

01:06:50   Like the competition is starting to heat up, but but not so much.

01:06:52   And I would be very surprised unless like the regulators made them

01:06:57   that they would give this into Apple and they could just, you know,

01:07:00   try and make their own thing.

01:07:01   And it looks like for all intents and purposes, there are people

01:07:04   There are companies in the US that are doing that kind of thing themselves anyway.

01:07:08   Like I think the article says that NBC is kind of like, nah, and they seem to be making their own thing.

01:07:13   Um, but like, kind of one thing that I'm interested from you, Steven, like 30 to $40, is that a good deal?

01:07:22   Like is how much cheaper is this than just getting cable TV?

01:07:25   So I don't have cable.

01:07:28   I've never had cable.

01:07:29   I think that is reasonable depending on what you get for that money.

01:07:35   Maybe someone in the chat room can tell us what they pay for cable each month.

01:07:38   But it doesn't seem to me ridiculously expensive, but I think it's definitely all about not

01:07:45   only the content you get through, it's like what channels are available, but what you

01:07:49   can do with it.

01:07:50   Like, does this thing have some sort of DVR functionality where I can save something for

01:07:53   later?

01:07:54   is to integrate with with Siri or some sort of smart search thing, you know, you know Apple

01:07:59   For all the things it does. Well, it doesn't do

01:08:03   search and like

01:08:05   Bolting things together very well. So like one of my complaints about the Apple TV is

01:08:10   That it's basically like my iPhone home screen. It's a bunch of apps and if I want to watch an episode of

01:08:16   a friends for instance, you know, I

01:08:21   I know that's on Netflix, but if I didn't know that,

01:08:25   it'd be nice to be able to search for that on the Apple TV

01:08:28   and say, "Hey, it's on Netflix,

01:08:29   "it's available on these other services,

01:08:30   "it's not available here," et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:33   So I think Apple has to make TV smarter somehow,

01:08:36   and if that's part of this,

01:08:37   then I think the price is a lot more compelling

01:08:40   if I'm getting all this great content

01:08:42   and I'm getting in a way that makes it easier

01:08:43   to sort through and understand.

01:08:46   Because if anyone who has used either a cable box

01:08:50   or a third party DVR or any sort of programming interface

01:08:54   on a TV, those things are terrible.

01:08:56   And Apple should be able to knock it out of the park

01:08:58   and that sort of thing.

01:09:00   - I love that you just described

01:09:01   what Android TV tried to be.

01:09:03   - Well, no, no, Android TV, yeah, tried it.

01:09:06   And I think Roku and a couple others

01:09:09   have played with that a little bit.

01:09:12   It's gotta be, I think it's gotta be compelling.

01:09:19   I mean, if it's 30, $40 and it doesn't have the content

01:09:22   that I could get from Comcast, why would I choose this?

01:09:25   Right, so Apple's got to have something

01:09:28   that makes it different, that makes it stand out.

01:09:31   And Joe Steele in the chat room is saying 30, 40 bucks

01:09:34   is pretty reasonable.

01:09:36   But I think they've got to set themselves apart somehow,

01:09:42   or it's just gonna be like another kind of forgettable

01:09:44   Apple web service.

01:09:46   - I mean, it could end up working out

01:09:48   okay price wise if you're like if you're buying if you're a cord cutter and you're

01:09:53   buying like maybe four or five different TV shows right which I am like and then

01:09:58   we talked about that last week right to be a cord cutter and to save that money

01:10:01   you have to steal like sorry there's really no way around that you know I

01:10:06   there are definitely shows that I borrow from the internet but there's a lot of stuff

01:10:10   that we have iTunes season passes for and that money adds up and you know

01:10:14   before you know it you've got five or six season passes and you got you're

01:10:17   downloading something every night and you're taking disk space and all that

01:10:20   stuff and so I could see how this could be more elegant than that but they've

01:10:24   got to make it good value for the the money you're paying. Every time we talk

01:10:29   about television eventually I get to the point where I'm listening to you guys

01:10:33   and I get so confused about what a cable for Americans is. Like I don't understand

01:10:41   what is cable TV and every time I ask you this question and again you explain

01:10:46   it to me. I think you have satellite TV there right? The same. Yeah we have, well we transitioned

01:10:54   a few years ago from basically to digital television which is like, it's basically like

01:11:01   terrestrial TV with more channels. Yeah we have that too. Right everyone had to do that. Okay and

01:11:08   then we have satellite TV which is Sky basically and you pay for Sky, you have different packages

01:11:15   And in addition to the DTV, you can get Sky.

01:11:19   So my parents, for instance,

01:11:21   because my dad wants to watch soccer, his favorite team,

01:11:26   he pays for, I think the package is called Sky Sports.

01:11:30   - Yeah, Sky's cable, Federico.

01:11:32   - Oh, okay.

01:11:34   So why don't you just say satellite instead of cable?

01:11:36   - Because they don't have satellites.

01:11:38   They don't do it by satellite.

01:11:40   - Well, you can.

01:11:41   I think the terms are pretty interchangeable here.

01:11:44   But the point is it's premium TV,

01:11:47   air quotes are on premium,

01:11:48   'cause you know, like my problem with cable is

01:11:51   that there are a couple stations

01:11:52   that I would like to have in my house.

01:11:54   You know, I would like to have things like Discovery

01:11:56   or National Geographic, ESPN,

01:11:58   but I don't want the 15 different like trash channels

01:12:01   that they sell bundled with that to pay for them.

01:12:05   And so if Apple's only gonna have 25,

01:12:08   maybe they've worked out where they can get the best,

01:12:11   you know, kind of the ones that everybody wants,

01:12:13   or maybe they've worked out some sort of deal

01:12:14   where you can filter that stuff out.

01:12:17   It's hard, right?

01:12:18   And TV's like a hard problem to solve.

01:12:20   If you think about it, Apple went after smart watches

01:12:24   before it did television.

01:12:26   That says a lot about the state of the industry,

01:12:28   at least in the US, how hard it is to break into,

01:12:31   how hard it is to deal with,

01:12:32   'cause these companies are huge.

01:12:33   I mean, Comcast owns NBC.

01:12:35   It's an enormous market with enormous players,

01:12:41   and they don't wanna change, right?

01:12:43   It's compounded by the fact,

01:12:46   and you hear stories of this every once in a while.

01:12:49   You heard it with the ebook thing where,

01:12:51   now Apple rolled into the music industry

01:12:53   and for a long time they owned it.

01:12:55   And you could argue that maybe they're losing it now

01:12:57   a little bit to things like streaming services.

01:12:59   But Apple changed the way the music industry works

01:13:02   and all these other industries look at that

01:13:04   and are afraid of it.

01:13:05   And they don't want Apple to come in and take over.

01:13:08   And so I think that they put a wall up

01:13:09   that they maybe they wanted to have otherwise.

01:13:12   It's interesting, if anyone can solve it, I think it's Apple, but I think it's super

01:13:17   complicated and it's got to be a compelling product or it's just going to be kind of forgettable.

01:13:23   So do you have like in America, I'm sorry that I'm just interested in how television

01:13:27   works in America, do you have like free stuff?

01:13:31   Like you buy a TV, you plug it in, you connect the antenna and you watch free television?

01:13:35   Yeah, and we did that same transition, I believe that transition was worldwide, I'm sorry someone

01:13:40   can correct me if I'm wrong, to, from analog to digital.

01:13:44   But yeah, I have a TV.

01:13:47   I don't have an antenna hooked up to it.

01:13:48   But if I did, I could get some local stations and, you know,

01:13:50   a handful, a handful of things.

01:13:52   I don't think it was worldwide.

01:13:54   I think most, a lot of countries have done it.

01:13:55   But the reason they do it is to free up spectrum for stuff like LTE.

01:13:58   Right. Because it frees up the 700 megahertz.

01:14:01   You know what is what I think is basically different between

01:14:05   television in Italy and in America, that in Italy,

01:14:09   you have like these seven basic channels or maybe ten and everybody gets those.

01:14:17   Like there's the national, like the TV that you pay for with the tax, it's the first three channels,

01:14:24   then there's the TV of Berlusconi and it's another three channels, and then there's MTV and

01:14:30   another two or three channels and everybody gets those. And at the same time Italians, like at 8 pm,

01:14:37   Italians have dinner and they watch the news on the same channel and I think it's different in

01:14:42   America because it's big and you're into multiple time zones and you have this like is there a

01:14:48   national channel that everybody can watch for free at the same time? Yeah I mean yeah you get

01:14:55   CBS, NBC, you know that you get the big players. Yeah but I don't think you have anything like we

01:15:01   have which is like there is a tax that people pay yeah like what we call TV

01:15:07   license. Right there's nothing like the BBC or like Federico what you describe

01:15:11   where there's a national channel or a national network these are all you know

01:15:15   publicly traded companies. It's crazy you know and so I could do that I

01:15:22   don't I don't pay for cable I mean we our TV has two inputs taken up

01:15:26   one's a Mac Mini one's an Apple TV so you know I'm doing everything through

01:15:29   iTunes or streaming on things like Hulu or you know community started back this

01:15:34   week it's on Yahoo screens which their streaming community for free to the

01:15:38   Apple TV which is really great we're gonna watch that tonight and so there

01:15:42   are ways to watch things but what Apple is trying to do is try to get some of

01:15:46   that legacy content if you will onto their devices which which I think they

01:15:50   have to right if they if they want the Apple TV to be more it's got to be more

01:15:55   than just like the crazy channels they randomly add to the Apple TV that no one

01:15:59   once like no one wants crackle like just no one wants it and it shows up and I hide it.

01:16:03   What is crackle? Is that the Sony thing?

01:16:06   I think it's the Sony thing yeah the Sony web stream.

01:16:10   Didn't they also add some kind of yoga or meditation channel?

01:16:14   Yeah like every time I turn on my TV there's some other icon that I want that I have to

01:16:18   hide because I don't want my kids going into it like and I don't want it I don't want it

01:16:21   so I think that's a flawed strategy in and of itself but if they can if they can figure

01:16:27   this out and I could get things like

01:16:29   Discover your ESPN through my Apple TV

01:16:31   over my internet connection. I'd love it

01:16:33   and I think that I would, depending on

01:16:35   what it offered and how much it cost, I

01:16:36   think I'd probably be interested in

01:16:37   using it. But they've got to prove that

01:16:41   it's worthwhile. So we'll see. Just to

01:16:45   wrap up this topic and to go right back

01:16:48   around to the first piece of follow-up.

01:16:50   Something I saw today that HBO Now,

01:16:54   contrary to what many people thought, you

01:16:57   actually won't be able to buy it from HBO directly like it has to come through

01:17:01   a third party so Apple is one of them but then also apparently will be the

01:17:05   cable companies you have to buy from your cable company which makes no sense

01:17:11   well even now so there there's a you know there's like a ESPN app and a

01:17:15   couple other things on the Apple TV but you have to sign in with your Comcast or

01:17:21   your AT&T account so I've got a buddy who has you verse at home he has cable

01:17:24   through AT&T and I use his to watch basketball. Yeah that's how HBO Go works, right?

01:17:29   Right, I use someone else's login to do that so it's kind of getting rid of

01:17:33   that middle step potentially. Yeah but this is like you won't be able to buy it

01:17:36   from HBO which I think is what people thought, like you still have to use

01:17:40   somebody else to get it and I mean Apple is not the worst you know scenario to

01:17:45   buy it from them but it's kind of just like okay you'll never get rid of them.

01:17:50   Yeah well I think that speaks to how complicated and how entrenched those

01:17:53   companies are that even in this like seemingly really cool Jill Applecoat

01:17:57   HBO Comcast still has their fingers all in it. So what do Americans do when the

01:18:02   president talks to the nation? That's a really good question. So the... I'm so

01:18:09   curious about this. Yeah no no no that's a really good question actually. The major networks all

01:18:15   carry it so CBS, NBC, Fox they all carry it and they frame it in their own you

01:18:20   know, coverage, which is terrifying on some of the stations.

01:18:25   What Italians do, like, a very much stereotypical but also true Italian thing is two things.

01:18:35   When the president talks, all Italians reach to the channel one and they listen to the

01:18:42   president, and the second one is the World Cup of soccer.

01:18:47   Italy plays, you can rest assured every Italian family is in front of the TV, also on channel

01:18:54   one, which is one of the three channels that you pay a TV license tax, and they're watching Italy

01:19:02   at the same time, everybody. And I think there's some sort of romance in that stereotype, you know?

01:19:06   Everybody gets to watch TV at the same time, whether you're at home or at a bar, and in

01:19:13   In Italy, again, bars are not like in the US where you go to only drink alcohol.

01:19:19   A bar is like...

01:19:20   I don't know, Myke, what is a bar in Italy?

01:19:22   You've been to Italy.

01:19:24   Kind of like a coffee shop.

01:19:26   Yeah, kind of like a coffee shop, and everybody goes there and watches TV.

01:19:29   I think there's some sort of romance and happiness in being together at the same time,

01:19:35   watching the same television channel.

01:19:36   I like that we have a TV license.

01:19:39   I like that because we...

01:19:41   I don't, but...

01:19:42   Okay, I mean, okay, except for the cost, right?

01:19:45   I know that sounds weird, but like, yeah,

01:19:47   it's a thing you have to pay for,

01:19:49   but you are kind of helping, at least with the BBC,

01:19:53   you are helping create, like, 'cause like,

01:19:55   I don't know what the Italian stuff's like, Federico, sorry.

01:19:58   There is incredible drama, incredible comedy,

01:20:00   just really great TV shows that are paid for

01:20:03   because we pay a TV license.

01:20:05   - Sure, and it's, I think it's simpler, you know,

01:20:08   in America, it sounds so complex,

01:20:10   And no wonder that people go crazy over these rumors of new TV services, because what you have sounds like a nightmare.

01:20:17   Yeah.

01:20:18   It is. It's just really messy. And you know, there's even restrictions on where you live, what's available to you, you know, because ISPs and cable companies have such regional locks here.

01:20:31   It would be nice to see someone busted up. And like I said, I think Apple can do it. If anyone can, Apple can.

01:20:37   Well, that's in theory unless the TV industry looks at the music industry and realizes what's

01:20:45   ahead of them.

01:20:46   Right.

01:20:47   I mean, that's why I brought that up.

01:20:49   Apple's past success is, I think, weighs heavy over those other industries.

01:20:56   And you see that other industries, well, you see it in the cell phone industry, right?

01:21:01   Basically the only cell phone manufacturer that Verizon can't put their cruddy apps on

01:21:05   the phone.

01:21:06   Apple, when they come to the table, they have the high ground and Comcast isn't used to

01:21:12   that.

01:21:13   So I'm cautiously optimistic that Apple could do something in this space, but I'm definitely

01:21:18   not holding my breath until something shows up.

01:21:22   This is super left field and I don't even know why I'm bringing this up, but we haven't

01:21:26   spoken about it, so I wanted to check with you guys.

01:21:28   Did you see that Sundar Pichai said that Google's going to be launching their own MVNO?

01:21:35   I did. That was a couple weeks ago maybe? Yeah he said it on stage somewhere and

01:21:43   they're gonna be talking about it at I/O it seems like. Right and I would

01:21:47   imagine that that carrier would be very limited in where it is and what

01:21:54   it... I kind of view like the Nexus program I think that Google might fire

01:21:59   up their own little cellular network just to experiment and do weird things

01:22:02   in but never it would never really take on somebody like AT&T Verizon because

01:22:08   they need AT&T Verizon to carry their phones you know that's as a problem with

01:22:12   any of this well that's why Apple's not doing it because Apple needs those cell

01:22:15   networks to carry the phone unless it's free maybe I mean could be I mean all

01:22:24   they need is you on the you know just that they get all that sweet sweet ad

01:22:28   money in theory you know so they're always saying we just want people

01:22:31   connected. Yeah it's just a guy listening in on you, no I'm just kidding I don't

01:22:35   think that about Google but it is interesting. IO is coming up, or the

01:22:41   tickets I think went for sale or go for sale this week so I'm excited to see

01:22:44   what they do. Yeah I'm looking forward to IO. IO is always fun to watch yeah as an

01:22:48   Apple centric kind of person IO is always really interesting to me so. So

01:22:54   wait a second America doesn't have taylortext. Well yeah but we don't really

01:23:00   have that anymore either. We do. I mean like we don't in the UK. Like there is there is like a

01:23:06   digital thing now but it's not like... Steven do you know what teletext is? Uh not by that name at

01:23:13   least. Oh my god. I'm googling it. It's like the best software kind of. Do you still have the

01:23:21   really old one that looks like... Yes. You still have that? Yeah. Man but you're on digital right?

01:23:26   they must have just kept that to make you guys feel comfortable. what is this? you don't know

01:23:31   what the teletext is? oh my god it was like the internet in your television it was awesome. yeah

01:23:38   i knew people that used to buy holidays using this thing. yeah i see a bbc one and it's quite

01:23:45   honestly terrifying. it was the best thing and the worst thing at the same time. yep. it was like

01:23:52   And I'm trying to think of a mythical beast.

01:23:56   Maybe a chimera or, I don't know, it was incredible.

01:24:01   - The BBC used to do, I think,

01:24:03   choose your own text adventure on this.

01:24:05   - I used to get all my news from the teletext.

01:24:10   And I knew that it would refresh

01:24:12   at specific times during the day.

01:24:14   So I would just open teletext

01:24:16   and do a bunch of comments with the TV remote.

01:24:18   And I knew that I was gonna get fresh news.

01:24:20   And then there were channels in the teletext,

01:24:23   so you could find gossip or sports news,

01:24:28   and it was awesome, also awful and awesome.

01:24:30   It was like, I don't know, it was both things and also.

01:24:35   - I'm really, really surprised

01:24:38   that you still have it look like this,

01:24:41   because they're clearly holding onto it for you,

01:24:45   because digital TV can do a lot more than this.

01:24:50   I'm pretty sure we still have that

01:24:53   because I recently saw my father using teletext.

01:24:56   So either he was trolling me in some way,

01:24:59   either he downloaded an app for the TV

01:25:02   or it was the actual teletext,

01:25:05   which it was used to be awesome to check

01:25:07   like real time sports results.

01:25:09   - Yep, the lottery results.

01:25:11   - The lottery results, local news.

01:25:14   Steven, you're-

01:25:15   - Movie times.

01:25:16   - Oh yeah, yeah, movie times.

01:25:18   - This was the internet.

01:25:20   This was the most basic version of the internet.

01:25:23   - Yes, and to think that there were,

01:25:25   sometimes I still think about the fact

01:25:28   that there used to be so many people

01:25:30   who thought the teletext was going to be a huge deal

01:25:34   and they spent so many hours of their working days

01:25:38   updating the teletext every day

01:25:40   and then those people got fired.

01:25:42   - Oh, we haven't even said about how you navigate around it.

01:25:45   So to navigate teletext,

01:25:47   you had to know the page number.

01:25:49   So it's like a three digit page number

01:25:51   that you would type in.

01:25:51   So say you wanted to get to sports,

01:25:53   you might go to 400 and it'd take you to the sports page.

01:25:56   And then it would show you the directory.

01:25:58   So like it would say like for sports scores,

01:26:00   go to this one for like Manchester United versus Chelsea

01:26:04   hit in this one.

01:26:05   And then like you could go to a directory

01:26:06   it would have all of the numbers.

01:26:08   You could score for all the numbers.

01:26:10   - This seems insane.

01:26:13   (laughing)

01:26:14   - Myke, did you have, I'm sorry, Steven,

01:26:16   Did you have the pages where it was like a channel with three pages and they switched

01:26:23   like a wheel?

01:26:24   Oh yeah, it would be like you go to page 124 and it would be one of four and it would just

01:26:28   like flick over.

01:26:30   Man, teletext.

01:26:32   Steven, you missed out on something really special.

01:26:37   I did.

01:26:38   It just ended in 2012, this article on the BBC.

01:26:41   38 years.

01:26:42   I mean, that's an impressive run.

01:26:45   That's what I'm saying, when we switched over from analog to digital, they canned it.

01:26:50   Like BBC got rid of it.

01:26:52   Sad.

01:26:53   That's a fascinating look into something I had no idea existed.

01:26:57   This is what like in 20 years time people say about the internet?

01:27:01   I remember when there used to be teletext.

01:27:04   Just anyone should just Google image search it because the screens are all insane.

01:27:12   It's like the internet on acid.

01:27:16   The best thing is when they would try and draw pictures.

01:27:19   Yeah, there's some on image search that you should be aware of that are there that are

01:27:23   a little weird.

01:27:24   Well yeah, because people would draw their own.

01:27:29   You'd go to a page and they would draw like "Welcome to Teletext".

01:27:33   That's gonna be in the show notes if you go to the episode page.

01:27:39   Like that is gonna be it.

01:27:40   It was a different name in Italy.

01:27:42   it was called Televideo for us.

01:27:45   And I'm looking on the App Store right now,

01:27:48   there's a bunch of apps actually.

01:27:49   I'm not sure if they've been updated recently.

01:27:52   And of course, most of the television related apps

01:27:56   have been replaced by TV guides with modern interfaces.

01:28:01   But if you look for Televideo on the App Store,

01:28:05   even the US App Store, there's a bunch of Italian apps.

01:28:07   So you get the idea of what the Teletext is like here.

01:28:11   Oh man, so many memories.

01:28:13   - So, Teletex was like what it was called,

01:28:15   like BBC called it CFAX.

01:28:17   - Yeah, yeah.

01:28:18   I looked on Wikipedia,

01:28:20   I know that there were like different names.

01:28:23   I'm not even sure how I remembered

01:28:25   that I Googled Teletex before,

01:28:28   because I knew that it existed in other parts of Europe.

01:28:31   I wasn't sure about America.

01:28:32   Steven, I'm really sad

01:28:34   that you never got to experience Teletex

01:28:36   or the QuickTime Live Conference.

01:28:39   - I don't know.

01:28:41   I have a lot of links in this paper now for the QuickTime.

01:28:45   There were at least three QuickTime live conferences,

01:28:48   at least three.

01:28:49   - When people go to our show notes page,

01:28:50   they're gonna have literally no idea what's going on.

01:28:53   - I'm on the show and I have no idea what's going on.

01:28:55   - Like there's this big picture that says,

01:28:56   "Welcome to Teletext."

01:28:57   (laughing)

01:28:59   - Perfect, thank you.

01:29:00   - With like a Simpsons yellow hand coming in on the corner.

01:29:03   Ah, that seems like a pretty good place to wrap up.

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