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0:00:25My name is Myke Hurley and I have the pleasure as always of being joined by my co-founder
0:00:29of Real AFM, Steven Hackett. Hello Mr. Michael Hurley. I was gonna say
0:00:35your middle name but that's not important today. And the editor-in-chief of
0:00:43maxstories.net, Mr. Federico Vittucci. Hello co-founders. How are you doing today?
0:00:51I doff my cap to you, sir. I feel like I could bring a bit more like officialness,
0:00:57officiality, whatever. Yeah, I... And then I made it terrible. I liked the introduction.
0:01:04What's the formality like? A special day for all of us. You know, it's
0:01:11Tuesday. I'm still trying to adjust to that. I'm going to a wedding tomorrow and
0:01:17I had a horrible realization earlier that I thought I was late and that the
0:01:22show was gonna interrupt with the wedding, but no, the wedding's Wednesday
0:01:25I am today's Tuesday.
0:01:26Did you know that last Wednesday, like, we were not recording the show on Skype and I
0:01:31felt weird and I didn't know what to do on Wednesday evening, so I just stood there in
0:01:35the kitchen just staring at the wall and I'm like, "What am I supposed to do now?"
0:01:39Because my schedule on Wednesdays is, you know, typically for the podcast.
0:01:43So I was-
0:01:44Little bit worried about you now, buddy.
0:01:45I'm not gonna lie, that's concerning behavior.
0:01:50Maybe I'm, you know, it lasted just like 30 minutes and then I moved on but still it felt
0:01:57strange.
0:01:58Well you can play video games tomorrow.
0:02:01I don't know, I will probably text you and then pretend that we're recording the show
0:02:05on iMessage.
0:02:06Okay, well I'll be at a wedding so I'll probably be in high spirits.
0:02:10I don't think I've ever been to a wedding during the week.
0:02:12That seems odd to me.
0:02:13Yeah, it's weird to me too.
0:02:15I didn't know if that was like a thing that was different in our cultures but
0:02:21it seems I don't think I've ever I don't think I've ever been to one that's not a
0:02:25Friday or a Saturday.
0:02:27It is strange it's very strange but it's fine for me
0:02:31because I can I can kind of do it but it is it's a weird occurrence to be
0:02:36happening on a Wednesday.
0:02:37Connected listeners get married on Wednesdays.
0:02:40Do you know they probably do.
0:02:43I know for a fact. Or the bride and groom, are they listeners to our show?
0:02:50Instead of reading vows, they do follow-up. They follow up on all their
0:02:57previous relationships just to get it all out of the way. That's right. We should do
0:03:02some follow-up and leave this terrible introduction behind. Why? We talked about marriage.
0:03:06It's a great topic. Yeah, do you have a problem with our union here, Steven?
0:03:11No, I'm very happy for you both. Thank you very much. I work in the iCloud in the
0:03:21browser. You work in the iCloud? What? It's time to take action. I work the product, not...
0:03:27Oh God. Not you work the product? The terrible... Stop! Let me talk! It is out of beta that we have a link to TechCrunch.
0:03:37crunch so pages numbers and keynote on the web which we have used in
0:03:43the past and weren't particularly impressed with are out of beta so I
0:03:47think we're going to revisit them maybe very soon. You also don't need a Apple
0:03:53device anymore so it used to be that you could use it but you had to have an iPad
0:03:56or an iPhone or a Mac now you can just go use it on your ThinkPad and on your
0:04:01Windows Phone if you like which is you know it's cool I think it's you know
0:04:06Apple services are very, historically are very tied to hardware and they're kind of
0:04:11breaking that with this, which I think is good.
0:04:13It's no Google doc killer of course, but if I work in the cloud as your jams, then your
0:04:19jams are out of beta.
0:04:21You're saying of course that concerns me because now we're going to get the feedback, you know?
0:04:25It's like, why do you discount it?
0:04:28Because it's terrible.
0:04:29Well.
0:04:30Listen to that, you person writing your email to me, I work in the cloud is garbage.
0:04:34Yeah, episode 20 of The Prompt, man, that was my favorite.
0:04:38You're going to get the email from that one guy who uses iCloud in the browser for academic
0:04:44essays and it just happens to be amazing and you will personally get that kind of feedback,
0:04:51Steven.
0:04:52I'm going to change our feedback email to you so I don't get it.
0:04:55No, I will set up a rule.
0:04:57I will set up a rule to forward the email to you again.
0:05:01It'll be like an email round robin or something.
0:05:05What's the name of the thing we did one time?
0:05:08An infinite loop.
0:05:09No.
0:05:10No.
0:05:11The round robin.
0:05:12It was round robin.
0:05:13When we were doing the Q&A show.
0:05:16That's right.
0:05:17Myke knows about birds.
0:05:19Myke knows about birds.
0:05:20What's a round robin?
0:05:22It's a robin that's eaten too much food, so it's round robin.
0:05:27That's what I have for you.
0:05:30Steven do we have more follow up instead of Myke and birds?
0:05:35No, the show's over.
0:05:39So we spoke last week about my experience restoring iPhone from iCloud that wasn't completely
0:05:46up to date with iOS.
0:05:47We got a lot of email, most people saying that it was ridiculous to me to expect that
0:05:52it would work.
0:05:53A lot of people agreed that at that point should allow you to update it.
0:05:58but we got a really interesting email from someone who works in Apple retail and
0:06:03So this person wrote in and and and they said it's extremely frustrating
0:06:09To do this and like the personal setup with customers who don't understand that nothing is wrong
0:06:14And so that was kind of my perspective of you know I know what I'm doing, but not everyone
0:06:18does and and you know they're gonna think that their backup is broken somehow and that that seems to be a
0:06:25sentiment that's shared in the store sometimes. And this particular person had to walk their
0:06:30own mom through this over the phone across the country, which is just, okay, if you got
0:06:36to do that, then the setup process should be simpler. And suffice it to say that they
0:06:45close. I'm not looking forward to the personal setup experience for the Apple Watch, which
0:06:49is uh I think actually might be simpler you know if the Apple watch is all
0:06:54controlled by the watch app on the phone maybe it's it's not too bad but I
0:06:58thought it was interesting that that my frustration was felt also within Apple
0:07:03retail people who do this professionally so I think I think Apple should address
0:07:07it. I think it would be interesting to to go through that setup process like you
0:07:13know pretending to be a layman and just see what it's like in the way that it's
0:07:18explained. Like I don't know if I would have the patience to do it but I think
0:07:23it would be interesting to see how it goes. It's a bunch of screens too. I had
0:07:28kind of forgotten because I haven't set up an iOS device in scratch in a long time.
0:07:31There's just a lot of stuff to do when you set up an iPhone. And there is. Like
0:07:36will you enable location? Will you enable diagnostics? Will you enable touch ID?
0:07:40Right, you got to enter your iCloud account. If your iTunes account is
0:07:43separate like mine is you have to enter that too and it's just it's all
0:07:46necessary right like I would rather do it all at once and like go to reach for
0:07:50something on my phone and realize it's not configured but I have to think
0:07:55there's some way they could streamline that and you know the second you have
0:07:59somebody on the phone with their mom trying to explain it I think it's I
0:08:04think it's too complicated so pretty pretty interesting moving moving on to
0:08:13next follow-up point. Federico made a
0:08:15comment last week about the iPhone 6 Plus
0:08:17being thin and light which of course it
0:08:20is. But listener Alex emailed us and pointed
0:08:24out that many big Android phones weigh
0:08:25less or the same as the 6 Plus. So I did
0:08:27some homework. You guys can see this in
0:08:31our document here. The iPhone 6 Plus is
0:08:345.5 inches, 172 grams. The Galaxy Note is
0:08:395.7 at 176, so 4 grams difference is
0:08:42basically nothing. What I found really interesting was the Moto X which is just
0:08:47a little bit smaller 5.2 inches weighs 144 grams so is I think significantly
0:08:52lighter than the 6 Plus and then rounding it out the the Nexus 6 is 5.9
0:08:56inches and 12 grams heavier. So the 6 Plus I think is you know pretty in line
0:09:03with what these other phones weigh it's not drastically heavier or drastically
0:09:06lighter than any of the others. Alex also pointed out I think it was Alex that
0:09:12maybe the 6 Plus feels heavier or somehow more dense because it's made out
0:09:16of metal as opposed to like cheap plastic which I agree with you know I've
0:09:20got a Moto G and it's I think 4.5 inches and it feels kind of gross because it's
0:09:25like plastic and bloated and the 6 Plus is very thin but I thought was
0:09:30interesting doing this homework that you know Apple's in the ballpark of
0:09:33what these other companies are doing and I thought that we would maybe at this
0:09:38time follow up on our Federico, you and I on our six plus thoughts and because
0:09:44it's been another week it's been now one week for me and I think two weeks for
0:09:47you using one. Yeah. So what how are you feeling about it? I love it. I want to
0:09:53change my phone. Yes! Yeah Myke come on I told you last week you were right. You
0:09:59didn't say that though that you wanted to change your phone that's new. Yeah I
0:10:02- I wanted to, I, so I, can I go on a bit of
0:10:07extra mini follow-up before I go back
0:10:12to the actual follow-up?
0:10:14I'm just gonna take it as a yes.
0:10:15So yesterday when I was putting together screenshots
0:10:18for the article that I published today,
0:10:21I was having trouble taking screenshots on the 6+
0:10:25and combining them with my workflow.
0:10:28I guess because of the final image was too big,
0:10:32So the extension was crashing and I'm also guessing this is related to the fact that the 6+ is doing some strange things with RAM allocation to extensions.
0:10:43But anyway, I couldn't combine screenshots.
0:10:46So I needed to take the screenshots on my iPhone 6 where I know that the image is smaller and my workflow and the extension can handle the screenshot cropping and combination.
0:10:58So I restored my iPhone 6 from a backup of the 6 Plus.
0:11:04And I was using the iPhone 6 and it felt so small.
0:11:08I was like, "How am I supposed to use this now?"
0:11:12Because the keyboard was tiny and the screen, like, I wanted to go up, but there was no screen anymore.
0:11:20And it felt like moving from the 6 Plus back to the iPhone 6, it felt not so different from using an iPhone 5S.
0:11:31Like the difference, I don't know, there must be some kind of objective, like it grows exponentially, I think, whatever.
0:11:39Basically, once you move back from the iPhone 6 Plus, everything seems small, like at the same level of smallness.
0:11:47Yeah, and the jump that it takes from the six to the six plus
0:11:51Feels much greater than it actually is the feeling of that jump is it feels huge. I
0:12:00Fitter God totally agree with you
0:12:02My wife has a 5s and I was using it the other night and I was like this phone is a toy and then I can't
0:12:07I can't use my girlfriends. It's basically impossible
0:12:10Then I picked up a 4s and I was like what this is the stamp like what is happening?
0:12:15It's really, it's amazing. I used my 6 on Sunday for a little while, just around the house, and it really feels limiting, which is crazy, right?
0:12:27Because then I got the 6 in the fall, I was like, "This is big! This is maybe too big!"
0:12:31And now, having spent a week on the 6+, I'm right there with you where the 6 feels small, and I'm with you in saying that I think I might go big next time around.
0:12:43- Yeah, yeah.
0:12:45I was thinking, Myke, come on, stop celebrating.
0:12:48- I can't help it.
0:12:49When am I ever right? - No, you can.
0:12:50- I'm never right.
0:12:51- You, that's sad.
0:12:54You are allowed to celebrate, Michael.
0:12:56So I was thinking maybe there must be a way
0:13:00to exchange my iPhone 6 and get a 6 Plus,
0:13:03but I think it's too late.
0:13:05I'm not sure that Apple accepts
0:13:09like the free recycling program, the iPhone 6 yet.
0:13:14So I don't wanna sell my iPhone 6 by myself on eBay
0:13:19and stuff like that because--
0:13:21- Go to a eBay store.
0:13:22- Good joke.
0:13:25Man, I'm so thankful for my old boss for firing me.
0:13:32Anyway, I don't wanna sell my iPhone 6, it's too much time.
0:13:37So I'm just gonna wait like you until next September, October, I guess.
0:13:42Maybe, I don't know, maybe there...
0:13:44I don't know, is there an easier way in Italy to get to...
0:13:47Like, I give you my iPhone 6, you give me your 6 Plus.
0:13:51Is there a legal way of doing things?
0:13:52Why don't you just...
0:13:54Find a guy in an alley.
0:13:55-Yeah. -To trade.
0:13:57Do you have many Italian Twitter followers?
0:13:59Like, that you could tweet and say, like, people willing to trade?
0:14:02Like, I saw people doing that initially and there were people that did it.
0:14:06Yeah I think Ben Brooks traded because he wrote something on the 6+ a couple weeks ago and he had traded, or he alluded that he had traded with somebody.
0:14:12Yeah he did, that's the exact person that I was thinking of, thank you for dragging my memory.
0:14:17You're uh, you know I'm here for you and your brain.
0:14:20That's a good idea. So yeah, Myke, you again, you were right.
0:14:26And we like our iPhone 6+s.
0:14:30Instead of the plural 6+s.
0:14:32Plus Club man, got some new members to the Plus Club.
0:14:34Mm-hmm feels good the term feels weird
0:14:37So so I think that's I'm gonna write something about it at some point when I have time, but it's really it's really interesting
0:14:45I will say that my iPad mini is a hilarious joke
0:14:48I I've been watching house of cards and my iPad mini and I was watching it. No spoilers
0:14:55But he was dead the whole time
0:14:58And then he woke up from his dream. Yes, exactly
0:15:01I was watching it on my iPad mini and my phone someone was texting me and so I pulled my
0:15:06phone out of my pocket and for a second they were side by side and I was like, what am
0:15:10I doing with my life?
0:15:12The iPad mini, that drive to go like 6+ and iPad Air, having that difference really jumped
0:15:21out at me and as much as I like the iPad mini, I think that if I were to carry a bigger phone,
0:15:27I would kind of deal with it and go back to a larger iPad as well just so they're
0:15:32they're more different if that makes sense. You can see what I mean right like
0:15:35that there is a difference there is a difference but like the things that you
0:15:39do on the iPad mini it's like it's not that much more of a stretch to just do
0:15:45them on the on the 6 plus instead like reading. Reading is good enough you don't
0:15:49need to get a bigger screen and it doesn't feel that way with like the 6 or
0:15:53like the 5 and the you know the iPad Air or whatever like they match up a
0:15:57lot better like having a 5 or a 6 and having an iPad mini but this once you
0:16:02get to the 6 plus size it's kind of pointless there's no real big
0:16:06benefit anymore to having a screen of that size.
0:16:10No no I was gonna say I think that you know we we lamented the fact that the iPad mini
0:16:16didn't get a lot of updates with the last cycle I got was Touch ID actually
0:16:22and a new color. And I don't think that was specifically about the 6 Plus, but it doesn't
0:16:27help my restlessness about the iPad Mini. Like, I fully expected to see updates this year,
0:16:35but you know, as the landscape is today, like I think if you're looking at the Air 2 versus
0:16:41the Mini, especially if you have a 6 Plus, it's kind of a no-brainer.
0:16:46I think our realization in the end of this experiment, by the way I'm still keeping the
0:16:536+ till almost the end of the month so we're gonna have more follow-up if I notice some more
0:17:02things about it, but the realization is that we like our screens big and I was wrong about the
0:17:12the iPad mini, because once I tried the Air 2,
0:17:16it was much better.
0:17:17I was wrong about the iPhone 6.
0:17:19So my lesson for our listeners is that
0:17:22you should listen to Myke more often.
0:17:25It might take away, like there's an episode,
0:17:31there's a podcast, at the end of each episode,
0:17:35and this is Myke, you know the podcast,
0:17:37is the Tiny Cartridge podcast, it's about video games.
0:17:40At the end of each episode, they say, "What have we learned today?"
0:17:44And my lesson today is that I should listen to Myke more often.
0:17:49Because he happens to be right occasionally.
0:17:53And recently, he's been right a lot of times.
0:17:58It feels good.
0:17:59Even more surprising than me being right about something,
0:18:04I find it even more surprising that the three of us really agree on something.
0:18:09It's really strange. Like, I feel like I've been drugged. There's something going wrong here.
0:18:15But what we have learned is it takes about six months for us to agree on something.
0:18:20Which also feels about right.
0:18:24Yeah, so Myke, do you want to walk us through the "there's more pebble news" now?
0:18:31Yeah, there is more. You're a pebble expert, you own a pebble. I do.
0:18:35You wear a pebble every day. Myke is a pebble-babble user.
0:18:39Yes. So what's up? So today in a shock announcement and it really is kind of
0:18:47quite a surprise and it seems like they did this in time in time of Mobile World
0:18:51Congress, Pebble have announced the Pebble Time Steel. So it's you know if
0:18:57you remember the Pebble Steel which is the edition that I have it's basically
0:19:00the nicer looking Pebble in the original version and we now have a nicer looking
0:19:05Pebble TimeSteal. So the Pebble Time that we spoke about last week, Pebble's new
0:19:10color e-ink display, Pebble Watch with their new OS. We now have three new
0:19:16versions of the time in TimeSteal. They have a silver, a grey and a gold version
0:19:23with a couple of different straps as well. And what they're allowed, they've
0:19:28basically updated all the information on their page and they're allowing previous
0:19:32backers to increase their pledge. This one's 250 which is the same as the
0:19:37original Purple Steel and they've got 20,000 of them available at the moment
0:19:42and then it will go up to 299 from looking at their page but they're
0:19:47allowing people to bump up and they won't lose their place in line so they'll
0:19:51still get it at the same time which I think is also awesome. It's a surprise
0:19:56I wonder why they're doing this I can't work it out. My only thinking is
0:20:00that they'd always intended to do this but they've raised so much money that
0:20:05it's enabled them to tool up quicker to create the steel so maybe it always
0:20:11been in their product roadmap but now they've raised enough money and they've
0:20:15got enough interest that they might as well try and get that bit more like
0:20:19during this period of time while the eyes are on them and it has
0:20:23significantly increased their Kickstarter again today by over two
0:20:28million dollars again today. They're getting more people backing and
0:20:33they're also getting people increasing their pledges. So this morning they went
0:20:38over the 13 million two hundred and eighty five thousand mark which makes
0:20:44them the most successful in pledged dollars Kickstarter of all time beating
0:20:50the coolest cooler. It was like a cooler. They had already
0:20:56occupied the third place position now with the original Pebble but it's
0:21:01currently sitting at like 14.3 million with how many I want to check how many
0:21:06backers they've got at the moment they have 59,500 as we currently record so
0:21:15basically where they sit at the moment is the Pebble time is the most money
0:21:21pledged ever. The most backed Kickstarter, so the most amount of people that have
0:21:28backed a Kickstarter, was the recent Exploding Kittens board game which had
0:21:32219,382 backers. It raised 8.7 million dollars but obviously it was a cheaper
0:21:39product so they have more backers but haven't raised as much money. It's
0:21:43extremely unlikely that Pebble will reach that level. It's
0:21:49extremely unlikely they would have to like quintuple their current amount no
0:21:55octuple what's the 8 one? Octo? anyway yeah Octomom they have to Octomom it
0:22:00uh-huh Octomom it that sounds right I agree with that but you know they've got
0:22:0524 days to go I think I think we'll probably see them get to 20 million I
0:22:09think because I can't imagine them being able to pull anything out of the bag now
0:22:13to just you know like the Pebble Times deal but I'm looking at this and I like
0:22:18how this looks. I really really like the way that the time still looks. I think it's super interesting.
0:22:25It's handsome. I think I have a couple thoughts. The first one is that I think the timing,
0:22:31I mean I think what you said is probably accurate, but I think also that you know there were several
0:22:36smart watches announced at Moverworld Congress and of course Apple has an event on Monday which
0:22:42we're going to talk about in a second. And so I wonder if they wanted to make sure they stayed in
0:22:47the news cycle especially at Mobile World Congress. I already have forgotten
0:22:51the other watches that were announced at that show. The one that's making a big
0:22:56splash is the Huawei watch. Yes. The what? Huawei is a Chinese manufacturer.
0:23:03Yeah. And there's one that runs web OS which is crazy. Yeah that was announced
0:23:08at CES. Yeah so you know I think they do look good. They look better than the
0:23:12the first Pebble Time that we saw last week. They also, alongside this, talked
0:23:19some about the smart strap so that if you look at these pictures there's a link to
0:23:22the Verge article in the show notes and the back of the watch has this little
0:23:26connector and you can build straps that can hold sensors or maybe even hold more
0:23:34battery they say. That's clever. I missed that. Yeah it's kind of buried in the article I think
0:23:40it's a bigger deal than they let on.
0:23:43It could, if people build them, extend the functionality
0:23:48of the watch and use that band for more than just
0:23:51sort of structural or decorative purposes.
0:23:55Which is interesting, you know, like we spoke last week,
0:23:58I agree with your assessment, Myke,
0:24:01that Pebble, long term, is probably in trouble.
0:24:04I think they probably do need to embrace Android Wear,
0:24:06maybe like just full blown.
0:24:09But I think they are doing some interesting things.
0:24:12And I don't think there's necessarily space
0:24:15for a large third party smartwatch platform,
0:24:20but I think they are doing some interesting things.
0:24:22No one else is really doing things with like smart straps.
0:24:24You have fitness bands and stuff,
0:24:26but the Apple Watch bands are just decorative
0:24:30and structural, they're not doing things.
0:24:32So it'd be curious to see how that particular piece
0:24:35of technology plays out.
0:24:38Yep, I continue to be super excited for them. I'm really really happy that they are doing it.
0:24:43Like this steel, they've improved some of the design issues from the previous one.
0:24:49Namely the pebble logo on the face.
0:24:53I was looking at mine today and I've settled on that's the worst part of the original pebble steel.
0:24:59I know why they did it because the bezel had to be so large so they might as well put something in that space.
0:25:05That's my thinking.
0:25:06But yeah, I really really do think this new one is very very attractive.
0:25:12Well not that, actually let me go back, let me resend on that.
0:25:15It's more attractive, it's a much nicer looking product.
0:25:20I would buy one without a shadow of a doubt, but it seems ridiculous to do right now.
0:25:25It's like the same thing as last week for me, like I'm not gonna buy it because Monday.
0:25:30But like, I wouldn't even hesitate to get one of these.
0:25:33I actually like the way the gold one looks.
0:25:35I mean, okay.
0:25:37Should we just say that yes,
0:25:38it does look like the Apple Watch and fine.
0:25:42I mean, well, when I say it looks like the Apple Watch,
0:25:44like they're using the same colors and stuff,
0:25:46but I kind of see it as like a twofold thing for them.
0:25:49I feel like it's partly like them being a bit cheeky,
0:25:52which I think is perfectly acceptable
0:25:54for an independent company to do.
0:25:56Like it's like they're being a little scrappy.
0:25:58- This is the company that like directed a comment
0:26:01at Jonny Ive on their homepage for a while.
0:26:03- Yeah.
0:26:04like, "Relax, it's just a watch."
0:26:06Yeah.
0:26:07And there's something about ... I mean, that was a bit silly, but I don't know.
0:26:11There's something I like about this little indie company being a bit ... It's like Steve
0:26:17Jobs flipping the bird at the IBM logo.
0:26:20There's a little charm about it.
0:26:24I also do think that the Galaxy S6 Edge is a nice looking smartphone.
0:26:31I'm very intrigued by the way that looks.
0:26:34But in that scenario, I appreciate that there are some significant design cues that they've
0:26:39taken, which is probably a little bit more like, "Come on, Samsung, you could work it
0:26:44out on your own."
0:26:47I think it does look good.
0:26:48I mean, it does still look good, but just my whole...
0:26:50Can they really?
0:26:51Can they work it out on their own?
0:26:53Well, in theory, they have the resources.
0:26:56They have the resources.
0:26:58They design other products that are unique looking, like their TVs and stuff.
0:27:02Yeah, like dishwashers.
0:27:03dishwashers look good and you know all the other but you know what I mean like I would say that
0:27:08in theory like on paper Samsung has more resources to develop new looking products in Pebble.
0:27:15Yeah oh for sure and you know Samsung's an enormous company I told you guys in Slack I
0:27:21was going to talk about this but I'm going to talk about it. Like I agree with you that I think the
0:27:28Samsung Edge in particular is really interesting and I don't know if that like whole like so you
0:27:33So you haven't seen it, the screen, you know the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, the screen is kind
0:27:37of rounded at the edges, which is much more exaggerated and you can see some LCD underneath
0:27:42the bend.
0:27:43And I think it's interesting, it's, you know, a lot of people have written that it looks
0:27:47like an iPhone 4 and iPhone 6 kind of smashed up.
0:27:51What I don't understand and what I'm glad that we didn't just sink into because I would
0:27:56have been upset with us is that, like, who, so what?
0:28:00I think going to the defense of Apple saying Samsung is you know shamelessly
0:28:06ripping off whatever like who cares it's a product and I think that yes the
0:28:11pebble steel and yes the Samsung whatever all of them yes I clearly they
0:28:17these companies are cribbing some ideas from Cupertino but it I don't think it's
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0:32:07the moment we've been waiting for. Yeah, so Federico, did anybody guess? No. You want me to know
0:32:14a name? Now do you, Stephen, I don't know if you know this, maybe you do, but Federico gave out some
0:32:18additional clues on virtual. This has been a real multi-show experience here, but nobody.
0:32:24It's like surround sound, right? Yeah. That's how it works. Okay. It's just how, you know, it's like one of
0:32:30those, like in comic books, they have crossover events. It's kind of been like that. So Federico,
0:32:36nobody got it so can you share? Are you sure that you want to know? Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to
0:32:44wait anymore. You want to know right now. Yeah. Any last second guesses? Should we go over to
0:32:51the chat room? See if anybody in the chat room has a guess. A very last call. So I was just bringing
0:32:59up the URL to put the episode of virtual which is all about Alto's adventure and we interviewed
0:33:03Ryan Cash, one of the co-founders of Snowman who built the game. I was typing in the URL to put it
0:33:08into the show notes and I typed in relay.fm/vitiji. We should have a show called Vitiji, it could be
0:33:14like your evening show or something. Why, welcome to Vitiji. Got the house band in attendance.
0:33:20Anybody in the chat room? - Can you explain, Myke, just one second, to people who listen to the show
0:33:27normally in a podcast client. What is the chat room? Because I feel like there's people who
0:33:32don't know. The chat room is an IRC which I think is like Internet Relay Chat
0:33:38something like that. Stephen? Yeah okay that's I'm just gonna roll with that.
0:33:44And obviously it's called the Relay Chat because it's you know we're Relay and
0:33:47that's the chat. It's interweb, real-time, communication.
0:33:56When you get old you forget things. Like the word communication. So that
0:34:01is a chat room which goes on you can you can access it is pound relay FM see how
0:34:06you pound there that's a lot of go for that it's in dollars great British pound
0:34:12euro relay FM in IRC chat or you can go to whenever we're streaming live you can
0:34:17go to relay.fm/live nobody's guessing I'm gonna read some of the guesses from
0:34:24from the internet relay communication. Can you do your best Italian accent? Probably not. I don't think I have one.
0:34:33Jason Snell, some guy in the chat room, he's suggested a couple. Pius, Evelyn,
0:34:40Frederico, like Federico Frederico, which I quite like. We have Alexander,
0:34:47Doug Beeler suggested Marco.
0:34:50We have Roald Dofo from PM rules.
0:34:54We have Guida.
0:34:55Valdesaro.
0:34:56Valdemero.
0:34:57John Paul we have there from, another one from Jason.
0:35:05He's got a lot this Jason Stahl guy.
0:35:08This Papi.
0:35:09The obvious ones like Giovanni, Giuseppe, Luigi, Mario.
0:35:13We have Orlando which is another one.
0:35:16Manchego is a suggestion from Carl's degree.
0:35:18Federico, put us out of our misery.
0:35:22What is your middle name and why is it embarrassing?
0:35:26My middle name is Dante.
0:35:29Oh, that's... okay.
0:35:31Yeah.
0:35:32Okay.
0:35:33Federico's Inferno.
0:35:34Yeah, it's, I mean, you know, it's kind of old.
0:35:39So that was what you meant by classic.
0:35:42Yeah.
0:35:43Mm-hmm.
0:35:44And it's my grandfather's name.
0:35:48So yeah, you can see why when I tell people, they kind of chuckle.
0:35:55I feel like there could be some incredible fan art made.
0:35:59Fidante, that's what I'm going to call it now.
0:36:03Fidante Vittici.
0:36:05Yeah, I'm trying to remember.
0:36:10The first time that I asked my mom what my middle name was, I was like seven, I think.
0:36:15I was like, "What kind of name is that?"
0:36:17And she's like, "You can't respect the name.
0:36:19It's your grandfather's name."
0:36:20I was so sad because all my friends had cool second names, you know, and I'm stuck with
0:36:27Dante.
0:36:28I mean, it's kind of cool, but also very old.
0:36:33So yeah, Dante.
0:36:36Thank you, Dante.
0:36:37Oh, God.
0:36:38Now we're going to do this?
0:36:39Michael would you like to talk about topic one?
0:36:42I would.
0:36:43I would like to talk about topic one.
0:36:46So Monday, March 9th, Apple is having an event seemingly about the watch.
0:36:53What's the name of the event?
0:36:54Spring Forward.
0:36:55Spring Forward, which is a Daylight Savings Time joke because you know, Daylight Savings
0:37:00Time is hilarious.
0:37:01And it comes into effect on Monday.
0:37:03It's true, which is bad for you.
0:37:05Is it bad for you this time?
0:37:06No, this is the good one.
0:37:07This is where everything's an hour earlier, but this is the one that lasts for three weeks,
0:37:13which is insane.
0:37:15So you're going to be just an hour off for a while?
0:37:17Yeah.
0:37:18So Federico, remember that.
0:37:20Okay, yeah.
0:37:24You know what?
0:37:25I will put an event in my calendar.
0:37:27Oh no!
0:37:28Here we go, we're all going to get it.
0:37:30I will send you an invitation.
0:37:33Thank you.
0:37:34Do you still get my...
0:37:36Yeah.
0:37:37all the time seriously but the thing for me though they show up like sporadically
0:37:43they don't show up every week every now and then like something just arrives and it's another
0:37:47invitation from you the machine has become self-aware because i'm i'm not even using the
0:37:53that iCloud calendar anymore oh it's still doing this thing on its own for me i i think i gotta log
0:38:01in and delete the event or something. It's like a robot intern. So the event,
0:38:08Apple Watch, people, you know, it seems obvious right? They need to do it.
0:38:12So I want to talk a little bit about our, what we think we might see because we
0:38:17were obligated to speculate on things and so I think that, yeah, I rewatched the
0:38:26Apple watch hmm I revisited a review. That's work. The I don't know what's happened to us.
0:38:35Rewatched the Apple watch event I don't know maybe two or three maybe two months
0:38:39ago and it kind of hit me I think we spoke about it that they really they
0:38:44kind of like knocked out like the feature set a little bit but there
0:38:47wasn't really a narrative around why the watch matters and I think they I think
0:38:53they I think they're going to do that this time I think that they're gonna
0:38:55obviously review the features I think that there are some features and some
0:39:00things that they haven't shown yet and obviously battery life and price being
0:39:05two of those but I think there's functionality we haven't seen yet we
0:39:07have 20 minutes of third-party developer application demos that we're gonna we're
0:39:13gonna see how your Apple watch can drive robot cars around oh we're gonna see
0:39:16launch partners I'm guessing just guessing Twitter Facebook Pinterest I do
0:39:21I do love a good launch partner, must say.
0:39:25What else?
0:39:26I'm trying to think of the big names.
0:39:28There'll be something health related.
0:39:30There'll be like a medical application that nobody understands, like when they used to
0:39:34do those like, "We're a bunch of doctors and here's how we can look at the brain!"
0:39:38And everyone's like...
0:39:39There's gonna be some of those.
0:39:44There's gonna be like, someone's gonna drive a car on the stage, we're all gonna think
0:39:47it's an Apple car but really it's somebody unlocking a door with a watch.
0:39:52That's my bet.
0:39:53Something like that.
0:39:54>> Here you go to troll with a car.
0:39:56>> I'm curious to see if they will feature any indie developers.
0:40:00There was a, I think a report from 9to5Mac a few weeks ago that said that Apple was inviting
0:40:07a few developers to Cupertino to provide feedback and let them use Apple Watch demo units to
0:40:14test their upcoming applications.
0:40:17So I'm curious to see if any not big, big time developer, if any developer will be on
0:40:24stage talking about Apple Watch apps.
0:40:27I don't know.
0:40:28I think they will be.
0:40:29I think they will be.
0:40:30Yeah.
0:40:31So my question, besides the Apple Watch apps functionality price, which we're going to
0:40:38talk about in a minute if you guys want, I kind of want to see Beats Music news.
0:40:46last year there was a like a rumor from writers I think or Bloomberg or one of these big publications
0:40:54they said that Apple was going to unveil a new music product in the spring. So now it's the spring
0:41:02also the name of the event is Spring Forward which is kind of similar to the next step
0:41:07by used by Beats Music and I kind of want to see what's up with Beats. I feel like I feel like maybe
0:41:16uh they had intended but like it seems like there's been a lot of chatter about it being
0:41:20in development and far off from development you know like again mark german has had great pieces
0:41:25that we spoke about on the show i i as much as federico i would also like to see this um i would
0:41:32be surprised if it was ready right now jane like i i don't know i feel like we've maybe got a bit
0:41:39of time but i think maybe me and you are like the only people that that really really want it but
0:41:44Like I do really really want it
0:41:46But my concern is actually do you know what Federica? I don't want it because I don't why change your mind
0:41:52Well, I would like the product but I know it's not gonna be available here immediately and it's gonna cut off my access to Beats music
0:41:58I mean, there's a possibility the watch isn't available to you immediately either
0:42:03There was some report that it was gonna be us only but then there was another report saying that wasn't true
0:42:08So well, Tim Tim was quoted on his European tour that he's been Tim is your friend now
0:42:13We're not all friends of Apple executives Federico.
0:42:18We'll get to that later.
0:42:24He's been quoted on his European tour of saying it will be available in April internationally.
0:42:30So it might be that it comes out first week of April and then staggers across April.
0:42:36But he was in a store in Germany.
0:42:38You can always trust the Germans to ask the good questions.
0:42:41How do you listen to music with the Apple Watch?
0:42:44Do you just connect the earpods to the iPhone
0:42:47and then you use the Apple Watch for controls?
0:42:50- This is all the stuff we don't know, right?
0:42:51'Cause they're saying you can apparently,
0:42:53I mean, everyone said this,
0:42:54saying you can apparently store music on it.
0:42:56Well, like what benefit is that
0:42:58if you can't plug headphones in?
0:42:59I think we're gonna see
0:43:00a Bluetooth-related headphone product as well.
0:43:02- That's why I was speculating about Beats News
0:43:05because if there's going to be Bluetooth stuff,
0:43:08that seems to be like,
0:43:10It'd be cool to have headphones by Beats, you know?
0:43:14Especially to push in the sports version of the Apple Watch.
0:43:19You know, the market segment appears to be kind of similar.
0:43:24And I don't know, maybe there's going to be
0:43:28just Bluetooth earpods by Apple and all Beats Music
0:43:31or Beats Electronics stuff.
0:43:33But it'd be cool, I guess.
0:43:34I don't know.
0:43:35- It would be nice to see at least
0:43:38the first Beats Apple collaboration product,
0:43:40be those Bluetooth headphones.
0:43:42- Which, I mean, makes sense.
0:43:44They've been a part of Apple for a while now,
0:43:47and even if they hadn't been,
0:43:49I mean, you could put something together.
0:43:51I do think they've gotta show some of that stuff.
0:43:54That's a really kind of basic function, right?
0:43:56And the fact that the three of us who are smart
0:43:58and have read lots of things on this don't know,
0:44:01I think is an indication that Apple's gotta kinda
0:44:04just deal with the details on Monday.
0:44:07I think they've also got to deal with the details.
0:44:09In fact, people in the chat room are talking right now about the, you know, there's a lot
0:44:12of speculation about like some bands are only going to be available for some watches that
0:44:16it won't be as like freeform as maybe we thought or maybe was hinted at in September.
0:44:22I think it's going to be too complicated.
0:44:23I was thinking this a moment ago.
0:44:24I think it's going to be too complicated for them to show on.
0:44:28We're not going to hear that on stage, but there will be a web page which goes up, which
0:44:32has the configurations.
0:44:33They'll show some basic configurations on the stage and be like, you know, you can get
0:44:37this for this and this for this but if you want to get this band and this band
0:44:40and this band like can you imagine like we're gonna end up with that huge like
0:44:43table. Tim is just gonna print out spreadsheets and hand them to the media.
0:44:48People freaked out when when Apple showed the iPad lineup last year.
0:44:53Imagine if they show all the combinations of Apple Watch and Apple
0:44:56Watch bands. It's gonna be insane. They're just gonna be insane. I guess there will be like there
0:45:00will be like a web page and you choose your Apple Watch model and then when you
0:45:04choose you select the bands available for that kind of version and that's it.
0:45:09Because I've been so confused in the past week, if you follow people on Twitter who
0:45:12tweet about Apple Watch, so much speculation about bands and pricing and edition, gold,
0:45:19I mean, just, you know, too much.
0:45:23I would like to play a very quick game of Apple Watch The Price is Right with you two.
0:45:28Okay.
0:45:29So considering this is going to be the last time we're going to be able to do it, why
0:45:33Why don't the three of us take a guess, and somebody can write these down, we'll take
0:45:37a guess each of how much we think the Apple Watch will start at, and how much the Apple
0:45:42Watch Edition will start at.
0:45:45Because assuming we already know that the sport starts at $349.
0:45:49Federico, would you like to give your prices for the Apple Watch starting price and the
0:45:54Apple Watch Edition starting price?
0:45:57So the watch is the middle one, right?
0:46:01Not the sport one.
0:46:02I'm guessing $6.99.
0:46:08And the edition?
0:46:09And the edition...
0:46:12I don't know, I would say above $5k.
0:46:18I don't know, I would say $8,000.
0:46:25So we have, what was that?
0:46:26$6.99 and $8,000?
0:46:28Yeah.
0:46:29Okay, so I hope someone's writing this down.
0:46:31Yes, I have a notebook here.
0:46:33Steven you can go next.
0:46:34I would say that the stainless steel Apple watch would start at...
0:46:39I'm gonna go $799.
0:46:42Go 100 more than Federico.
0:46:46And I would say that the watch edition, I'm gonna go under Federico and I'm gonna say...
0:46:51I'm gonna say $6999.
0:46:56Okay so I'm...
0:46:57I'm gonna go low.
0:46:58I'm just gonna take the two wildcards now.
0:47:01I'm gonna say $5.99 for the watch.
0:47:07We should probably establish...
0:47:09We can work out the official price is right rules.
0:47:12Because there's something about whether you're under or over and how that ends up winning.
0:47:15For the watch edition, I'm gonna say $15,000.
0:47:1815.
0:47:1915?
0:47:20Yep, starting at 15.
0:47:23Myke is on drugs.
0:47:24I don't know man.
0:47:26I don't know.
0:47:28just this part of me that's like you're gonna have something I mean I know it's
0:47:31it's this has been the speculation coming from John Gruber right I
0:47:34understand that but the more that I've been thinking about it it's like if
0:47:37you're gonna go gold like just ramp the price right up because the stainless
0:47:41steel is gonna be expensive enough anyway because I reckon you'll be I
0:47:45reckon that some models that are stainless steel version is gonna
0:47:50stainless steel is the watch right I get I'm so confused
0:47:53stainless yeah so I reckon there's gonna be models of that that will set you back
0:47:57like three grand. It seems really nuts and it seems like... this has been
0:48:06taught, it's not original thought by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm here
0:48:09and I have a microphone so I can repeat it. Apple has to... I wonder if Apple has to
0:48:15build the case that the gold is worth it, that the luxury is worth it, and
0:48:19my thought is that if Apple can really capture the imagination of people who
0:48:24exist in that part of the market, which none of the three of us do, right? Like we
0:48:29spoke last week about what we're picking out and we're all, you know, the sport of
0:48:32the stainless steel, but like people like us and in the categories that we are in
0:48:39consumer wise are going to flip out. And if Apple can like make their case to the
0:48:46wealthy to say, "Look, you know, this thing costs whatever it costs and you are
0:48:51buying it and we are now a luxury brand we are not just a consumer electronics
0:48:54brand and I think I think they'll do well at it but it'll be interesting to
0:48:58see how Apple makes that that pitch and I wonder if we will see the sports and
0:49:04watch pricing but not the watch edition I was not the gold pricing at the event
0:49:09but it comes out later on the site or in the stores and it's not because whatever
0:49:15that price is that's going to be the headline on Monday right that that not
0:49:19Not that the Sport is $349, not that the watch is whatever it is.
0:49:23But if that gold one is, you know, $8K, $10K, $15K, that is the headline on the verge.
0:49:29And that sort of swallows the rest of the news.
0:49:31And I'm not sure Apple wants that.
0:49:33I think Apple needs to get the story of why this thing matters.
0:49:36They need to get that out, and I think the gold pricing might be a distraction.
0:49:40Do you know what I would do if I was in charge of this scenario?
0:49:44I wouldn't say anything about the edition price and I would say that it's coming in
0:49:48May so it doesn't take any of the attention away.
0:49:54So you just don't talk about the price because apparently it's coming later.
0:49:58It comes out in May and then in May you announce the price.
0:50:02So you're completely taking the question.
0:50:04The question's still there but you can't print the headlines.
0:50:07You can't print the headlines of Apple Watch for $20,000 or whatever because it won't be
0:50:12available.
0:50:13Because as well, if you're going to pitch it above, say, $10,000, the type of person
0:50:17that's going to buy that, they're either going to wait, or they're going to buy one of the
0:50:22standard ones and just buy another one.
0:50:25So that's how I would do it.
0:50:26I think that's pretty smart, but I would think that because it's my own point.
0:50:32If I was in control of the situation, that's what I would do.
0:50:34Because I completely agree.
0:50:35though it's not going to be for any of us, like for like maybe half a percent
0:50:41like half a half of half of a percent of people listening to the show could even
0:50:46afford something like that. So it's it's not for us so there's no point in us
0:50:50even having to think or worry about it and I think it would be difficult for
0:50:55Apple to get away from if they're gonna price it at the level that it probably
0:51:00should be priced at if it's gonna be as good quality wise as they're saying it
0:51:05will be. Yeah it makes that makes a lot of sense and it sort of solves the
0:51:09problem of the tech press freaking out and it and it makes that that target
0:51:15market maybe feel more special that they you know that it's reserved that it's
0:51:20somehow you're not public yet. Also as well, if they have to refit some stores to
0:51:28enable the sale of the watch edition with special luxury areas that has not
0:51:33been started. They have not started doing that yet so that stuff
0:51:38takes time. Yeah I was speaking over email to someone who works in Apple
0:51:44retail pretty high up and they were like it's going to be interesting you
0:51:48know because it's like not only and it was in the Johnny Ive thing like people
0:51:52want to stand on carpet when they buy a nice jewelry but like at least my Apple
0:51:55store does I love them all but they're staffed by hipsters like even the
0:51:59staffing of the store might have to be different somehow or might be affected
0:52:05you know the way that there was a story they're moving all to blue polo shirts
0:52:09or something to look a little more professional but like it's someone going
0:52:12to buy a $15,000 watch from a guy with like a sleeve full of tattoos I bet Apple
0:52:18in America hire in like all the retail stores hire a ton of British people
0:52:23really so it's like you know welcome welcome sir welcome to the Apple store
0:52:27today. What do you think Federico? An influx of British stuff into America to enhance the
0:52:33poshness of it all? Because people think British accents are cool? Well like just you know more
0:52:39fancy you know we can down turn it up we can like top hat it you know. They should hire Italian
0:52:45people then. That's a good idea yeah for just for the fashion aspect in general. I'm actually
0:52:50surprised that Apple didn't do any pop-up shop stuff in Milan for fashion week. I wouldn't be
0:52:56surprised if a lot more of that starts to happen now and like because we assume like
0:53:03they're going to announce it and it's going to be maybe a month until they ship considering
0:53:07the date is apparently April so I wouldn't be surprised if it then starts ramping up
0:53:13because you know seeing it in more magazines and stuff now it's a totally different way
0:53:17of doing things.
0:53:18If they do one in Rome, I will go there like so fast.
0:53:25Because there's all the boutiques in Rome, right?
0:53:27In Biacondotti and the Corso.
0:53:31There's a boutique from Gucci, Armani, Versace, you know, all the brands.
0:53:37If you go to...
0:53:39Have you two ever been to Rome?
0:53:42So you have no idea what I'm saying?
0:53:44I have not.
0:53:45Well, yeah, I do.
0:53:46Because we do have that in London.
0:53:48We do have this stuff in London.
0:53:49No, I was talking more about the geography.
0:53:52If you're not familiar with Rome.
0:53:54No.
0:53:55Federico, if I were to come to Italy,
0:53:57I would come to Rome to visit you.
0:53:58That's all I'm saying.
0:53:59Thank you.
0:54:00I mean, my kitchen is much better than a boutique,
0:54:03but thank you, Steven.
0:54:06Anyway, if they do one in Rome, I'll go for sure.
0:54:10If they do one in Milan,
0:54:11because it's more of a fashion city, I don't know.
0:54:15It's kind of far away from me.
0:54:18We'll see.
0:54:19I'm excited.
0:54:20I wanna get an Apple Watch.
0:54:21I'm excited for the Apple Watch.
0:54:24I'm kinda bored with all the speculation
0:54:27and people making charts and rumors.
0:54:31- Melting down gold and weighing it for a block post.
0:54:33- Yeah. - You've only got
0:54:34a few more days Federico.
0:54:36- Just say, I know, just a few more days
0:54:38and all will be hopefully revealed.
0:54:41- Should we take a break
0:54:43and talk about the article Federico wrote today?
0:54:47- Okay.
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0:56:42we love you guys so Federico so Michael you've published an incredible post
0:56:51today talking about the personal struggles that you've been through with
0:56:56your health and how when you decided that you wanted to to get healthy you do
0:57:01the thing that Federico Vitucci does finds apps it's workflows right you know
0:57:06whenever you make any kind of big decision, this is the life
0:57:10that you lead, right? I know this of you. You go out there and you find some
0:57:13interesting stuff. However, maybe, well definitely, in a contrast to some of
0:57:17the other things that you've done, this has actually made big, big impacts to
0:57:22your life. Sometimes it's fun to tinker around with apps and sometimes
0:57:26it's fun to chain Python and Easter workflows together to see what's possible to do
0:57:30on iOS, as you've been known to do, but this time you actually were able to
0:57:34improve your health. It's an incredible piece that people should read. How many
0:57:38words? Ten thousand. Ten thousand words so it's a pretty standard
0:57:44Federica Vatici blog post. I think you're kind of maybe being a bit lazy. Ten
0:57:48thousand words? Come on buddy, what's happening? I've done better. It's great. I read it today. I couldn't
0:57:54read it sitting down. I was walking around my house reading it because I
0:57:57felt guilty to be sitting down and reading this. I hope that people have
0:58:03read it by now. If they haven't they should. And I don't want you to spoil the
0:58:08article because this really is... it's, you know, I feel like I always say this but I
0:58:13really do mean it. Like this is definitely one of one of my most
0:58:17favorite things that you've ever written. It's just an absolutely
0:58:21fantastic, just from a "what you expect from Federico" kind of post. Like some
0:58:26really great tips and tricks and apps you've never heard of and the way that
0:58:28they're cool but also a really really heartwarming and inspirational personal
0:58:33story as well and maybe a little bit more definitely more detail about your
0:58:39battle with cancer than I know I knew about I think there's some there's
0:58:43definitely some new stuff in here to me stuff that was is quite emotional to
0:58:47read which which you know it adds to the beauty of the piece but what what
0:58:52inspired you to actually go ahead and write this and why did you decide to be
0:58:57so personal?
0:59:02That's a good question.
0:59:04Why?
0:59:05So first off, thank you, Myke, and thank you, Stephen, for helping me with the piece.
0:59:11I've been asking you to read my drafts and to give me feedback, so always appreciate
0:59:21and also thanks to the other guys in the Relay team and Maxories team.
0:59:27I really have a great team of friends who helped me out with this sort of stuff.
0:59:35Why? I think because I wanted to, because I felt like I...
0:59:46out of respect for the people who read Mac Stories, I think, most of all.
0:59:51And I'm in the... like, I'm super comfortable in the fact that I'm not doing this for the page views,
0:59:59because I switched Mac Stories to a different business model, and so when I...
1:00:07if I had to be more scenic than I am, I would say, "Okay, yeah, a story about cancer
1:00:15and getting healthier with an iPhone probably drives a lot of page views.
1:00:19So that's the story that I want to write because I'm gonna get a lot of traffic.
1:00:24But thankfully I don't live on page views. So what I do, and I say this sincerely,
1:00:32I do only because I want to. Can you explain that very quickly?
1:00:38Because many people that have websites like yours do live on page views. What do you mean?
1:00:44I mean, of course I do appreciate traffic.
1:00:48It's not the direct means of making money for me.
1:00:53I don't live on CPM.
1:00:56Do you sell more flat rate for your sponsorships and things like that?
1:00:59Yeah, because the website is already moderately known.
1:01:05So I'm on flat rate.
1:01:06Don't be so modest, Federico.
1:01:08And no, I always, I think that I can always do better.
1:01:14So I don't have Google ads or there's only one ad on the homepage of the site and I make
1:01:23a very small amount of money from that.
1:01:25So if you come to a single article to visit Mac Stories, you don't even see that single
1:01:30ad in the middle of the homepage.
1:01:33Anyway, I did this because I wanted to and because I felt like I never fully addressed
1:01:39my conditional max stories.
1:01:42Because there's people who know me only for the website.
1:01:48There's people who don't follow me on Twitter, there's people who don't listen to the podcasts,
1:01:52who don't send me emails, they just read the website.
1:01:57And I feel like I have talked about cancer and my struggles in various places, but not
1:02:04on the website.
1:02:05for years, I was on the old mindset that it would feel problematic for people to read
1:02:14this sort of topic.
1:02:16And also to give a little behind the scenes, you were even feeling this way leading up
1:02:21to this going live, because me and you have had conversations like this very recently.
1:02:26Yeah.
1:02:27When I published today, I felt sick because I really didn't know whether the piece would
1:02:35be well received.
1:02:36Because a lot of people don't want to hear about cancer, and a lot of people pretend
1:02:41it doesn't exist.
1:02:43A lot of people, especially in my real life experience, when you bring up the subject,
1:02:50they tend to drift away to avoid talking about it.
1:02:57And I understand why, because it's awful, and because people find it uncomfortable.
1:03:01So I thought that maybe a lot of people could find it uncomfortable on the website, which
1:03:07is known for apps and tips and tricks.
1:03:10But one of my, and this is the second reason, one of my resolutions for the new year was
1:03:20to try to go out of my comfort zone for topics that I cover.
1:03:27And this is one of the things that I struggle with all the time.
1:03:30I think I have a self-imposed kind of topic that I'm supposed to cover, and I've totally
1:03:42made this up on my own.
1:03:44So many times I want to write about something and I'm like, "Yeah, but I'm not supposed
1:03:48to write about this sort of topic stuff because people don't know me for approaching these
1:03:53topics."
1:03:54One of my resolutions this year was to do different things,
1:03:58to try different topics, to try different apps,
1:04:01and to try to prove myself wrong more,
1:04:05and to see if maybe my preconceptions can
1:04:09lead to different opinions.
1:04:11And the iPhone 6 Plus is an example.
1:04:16I'm so happy when I can say I was wrong.
1:04:18So one of my resolutions was to talk about,
1:04:22I thought that I could have some experience in talking about health and changing lifestyle
1:04:29and working despite being sick and having issues with cancer.
1:04:37So that's why.
1:04:38And the problem is that I was working on this piece last August, so before the launch of
1:04:46of iOS 8.
1:04:47I wanted to publish this piece with iOS 8 in September to talk about the health application
1:04:55which launched on iOS 8.
1:04:59As you can guess, we talked about this on Connected before, I didn't end up finishing
1:05:08the piece because it would have been different because my take on the health app wouldn't
1:05:15being so positive.
1:05:16So I decided to wait.
1:05:19Because I knew, I sort of--
1:05:22I think I knew that Apple was onto something nice and useful.
1:05:29But it didn't work.
1:05:30And I thought, OK, maybe I can wait.
1:05:32And I can see if things get better.
1:05:34And I can see if this can work out for me.
1:05:37So I waited.
1:05:39And Apple fixed many of the problems in the app.
1:05:45And here we are today.
1:05:49This post has been in my drafts since August.
1:05:54And I finish it in less than two weeks.
1:05:58It's one of those articles that you sit on it for months,
1:06:03and then it comes to you all of a sudden,
1:06:06and you need to publish it.
1:06:07And that was the process.
1:06:10I know I told you when I read it over the weekend
1:06:12that your sentence about, I'm searching for it,
1:06:15life after cancer is an everyday carnival
1:06:17of small victories that, I told you that line
1:06:19made me hate you because that's really well written.
1:06:22- Yeah, quite singly the best one line you've ever written.
1:06:26I issued my first ever text shot today
1:06:30in ceremony of that line.
1:06:33- And I totally, before we move on,
1:06:36I do wanna get to the nitty gritty of the apps and whatnot,
1:06:39But, you know, hearing you talk about, you know,
1:06:43it being a weird topic for Mack Stories,
1:06:45and I'm not gonna go like,
1:06:47I told you guys I'm not gonna go like deep into like,
1:06:49this is not gonna be the cancer episode,
1:06:51analog episode five, which we'll put in the show notes.
1:06:53You should listen to if you want my thoughts on that.
1:06:55But I definitely struggle with that as well.
1:06:58I've written a lot about my son's cancer
1:07:00on 512 over the years.
1:07:03And I definitely, like that feeling you had today of like,
1:07:07I cannot believe I'm getting ready to publish this.
1:07:09I cannot believe that, you know, a lot,
1:07:13a lot of people are going to read this.
1:07:16I totally get that.
1:07:17And it doesn't go away.
1:07:19Like anytime I write about it,
1:07:20I still have that like,
1:07:21I know that feeling you get in your gut of like,
1:07:24am I doing the right thing by sharing this?
1:07:26But it's somewhat, I can share with you privately,
1:07:30what the beauty of this article is that
1:07:34It puts a light on the fact that this sort of thing,
1:07:39cancer or some other catastrophic disease,
1:07:42when people hear that and they know you were in the hospital
1:07:47for a while or know someone, a loved one is in the hospital
1:07:50and then they get out of the hospital
1:07:52and life kind of moves on, but your article shows
1:07:54and reminded even me that these things have long reaching
1:07:58side effects and echoes for sometimes years to come.
1:08:03I mean, we're entering our sixth year with my son's battle,
1:08:08and those wounds are still fresh,
1:08:10and they expose themselves in different ways.
1:08:12So as someone who has not been in your shoes,
1:08:16but have been very close to your shoes, I loved it.
1:08:19And I think that it's something that only you can write,
1:08:24because you've been there, and because you're a nerd,
1:08:29using nerd things to move past it,
1:08:32Which is great!
1:08:34Like I try to solve problems in my life and approach them from the stance of a nerd.
1:08:43I think that's what this is too, so it's a really fun blend for me to read, kind of being
1:08:47in both of those categories.
1:08:48I'm going to stop because I'm getting dust in my eye, but I really appreciate it.
1:08:56Thank you, Steven.
1:09:00You wrote about this stuff on 512 before, and I wonder many times, like, when I see,
1:09:09because you do this regularly, when I see your posts, I'm like, someday I'll have to
1:09:15write about this myself.
1:09:17And I think I postponed many times because of all these reasons, because how are people
1:09:23gonna react to this topic?
1:09:25Are there gonna be people who are gonna be sarcastic and say "yeah this guy uses cancer
1:09:32to make money" you know?
1:09:34And there's been today a few people on Twitter who like made fun of the article but it doesn't
1:09:43matter because you can't get everyone to like you.
1:09:48And so it doesn't matter and I think...
1:09:51Screw those people.
1:09:52I mean honestly like...
1:09:53I mean, everyone is entitled to his opinion.
1:09:56- Well, yeah, I mean, you can, okay.
1:09:59- But you shouldn't be a terrible person.
1:10:00- You can have your opinion,
1:10:02but if you have an opinion like that, keep it to yourself.
1:10:05- Just sit on it. - Yeah, but people
1:10:07like to share, people like to share.
1:10:08- Okay, if you wanna share it though,
1:10:10like, I mean, and I don't know how much
1:10:12if you've heard of this,
1:10:13but don't share it directly with you.
1:10:15Like, just subtweet it. - Yeah, I mean, yeah.
1:10:19- If you really feel like you have to get that
1:10:21off your chest, like, and I don't know
1:10:22people have done this so correct me if I'm wrong but they shouldn't say it to
1:10:26you I don't think there's any benefit. No I blocked a few people it's it's fine
1:10:29there's a thankfully Twitter has a blocked feature because if you're gonna say
1:10:35certain things to me in relation to my experience I don't want to even argue
1:10:40with you because I'm trying to imagine what if you stop me in the street and
1:10:45you say hey you're dumb because you wrote about cancer it's not like I'm
1:10:49If you were to come to me in real life and say that kind of stuff, I wouldn't reply to you, I would probably punch you.
1:10:57So instead of being violent...
1:10:59A block is kind of the same kind of scenario, right?
1:11:01I'm just going to block you because thankfully we're on Twitter.
1:11:04So I wouldn't say that I'm a violent person in real life.
1:11:09I didn't mean to say that. It's just, you know...
1:11:12No, no, it's perfectly okay to say it, Federico.
1:11:14People don't say these things in real life, they go to Twitter to say this sort of stuff.
1:11:19But it doesn't matter because there's a blog feature.
1:11:21So anyway, was there a question?
1:11:25No, there was Steven talking.
1:11:27Thank you, Steven.
1:11:28I know that it's been hard for you, I think, to read this stuff and I was super careful.
1:11:35Like I thought about it, should I send this to Steven?
1:11:40You were a gentleman as usual and read the piece and so thank you. Yeah, so I wanted yeah
1:11:48I appreciate that I was
1:11:50Aware as you send it to me like I could feel that on the other side of the conversation
1:11:54So it's definitely no worries. I
1:11:56Was happy to read it
1:11:59But I think I think what's what's interesting to me from a technology perspective
1:12:04Kind of moved past the part where I almost cry on the podcast
1:12:09I've already done that. Yeah
1:12:11We you approach it you approach these apps and the technology from a couple different angles and
1:12:18You approach it from a like a
1:12:22Sort of the food like what we are eating you have this picture of this like pasta in front of your iPad looks
1:12:27quite frankly amazing
1:12:38The little bits that would be in the piece where you would be referencing food, where
1:12:43it was like you said the amount of bread and you're like, well I'm Italian.
1:12:48It's cultural to eat all these carbs.
1:12:52But I think, so you have food tracking, you have exercise tracking, you have FitStar,
1:12:56which has like kind of exercise plans in it, which is really interesting.
1:13:00In fact, I'm going to check this app out because of this article.
1:13:04But for me at least, I want to see if it's true for you.
1:13:07Myke, I also want to see if it's true for you,
1:13:08because I know you're doing some stuff,
1:13:10working out and things now as well.
1:13:12For me, things like this,
1:13:16like I do much better if I can track them,
1:13:18and if I can have a data point,
1:13:21again because we're nerds,
1:13:22of like this is what I did, this is my goal,
1:13:25this is how far away I am from my goal,
1:13:27this is on a chart how I'm doing,
1:13:29and how powerful is that to the two of you?
1:13:33Is that important to you guys,
1:13:35or is it just a side effect of all this technology?
1:13:37For me, it's the point.
1:13:39But I'm curious how you guys felt about that.
1:13:41- Well, I find it as like a little piece
1:13:43of positive reinforcement, you know?
1:13:46You put a little notch on an app
1:13:49or you see a line go up or down the way that you want it to
1:13:53and it's kind of like a little merit badge,
1:13:56which is why those little badges
1:13:58that you're gonna get on the Apple Watch
1:13:59are gonna be so interesting
1:14:02and it's the reason that they exist.
1:14:03You know, like when you hit a certain goal and you get the little 3D animated badge that
1:14:08pops up, you know?
1:14:09Yeah.
1:14:10Those are going to be very powerful because that's exactly what items like that represent
1:14:17is like a little medal.
1:14:18And these are actual little medals.
1:14:20And I think that's going to be really cool for people.
1:14:23I can see Federico how that sort of stuff is looking at what you've written about and
1:14:29you know, you're saying you're excited for the watch.
1:14:31Like things like that.
1:14:32obvious why you would be. And now I can kind of also see why, you know, having read this, why all
1:14:38the fitness stuff was so important to you and why it is so important and why I was kind of maybe
1:14:44stupid to kind of write it off. No, no, no, no, no, it's fine. Because I did, and you know, and maybe even up until today, I did kind of
1:14:53write off the fitness features of being just another thing. It's like, oh, you're just going
1:14:59gonna throw fitness features in there because it looks like the right thing to
1:15:02do but for many many people and myself included to a point like having real
1:15:08important and rich fitness features built into a device that will be on you
1:15:14all the time is actually very very important and if you're able to
1:15:19create a real multimedia experience out of it it will actually make a big
1:15:25positive effect to many people's lives and it does make it important.
1:15:27I think for me to, to answer to you, Myke, about the watch and to Steven
1:15:34about, uh, tracking this sort of stuff.
1:15:38Um, I think this is my problem, but, but I guess that other people can relate.
1:15:43Um, it's easy to forget about your progress and, and it's easy when you get
1:15:51caught up in the rhythm of life every day with work and family and you need to do this
1:15:59and you need to reply to that email and you need to go to that store, you need to pick
1:16:04up the kids.
1:16:05It's easy to forget about yourself because most people tend to take themselves as in
1:16:13their bodies for granted.
1:16:15And so being able to track and to visualize, I think, to put an item on a calendar to say,
1:16:22"Today I walked this amount of steps, and today I did this exercise, and today I ate
1:16:30pasta or I ate fish, and I need to be, you know, to take a different approach."
1:16:37To be able to see all that.
1:16:39I mean, people use spreadsheets for a reason, because they let you see stuff in a different
1:16:45And we live in an age where technology lets us track ourselves, our steps and health status and activity and what we do and how we do it.
1:17:01we do it. And so we went from being able to keep track of numbers and emails and
1:17:08articles from being able to reliably and cheaply with tools that we use every day
1:17:16to track ourselves. So when I look at something like the Apple Watch, which I'm
1:17:21guessing in the sport and in the regular version, it's going to be an
1:17:28an object that a lot of people can afford. That sort of stuff can track your heart rate and it
1:17:35also looks good on you so it doesn't feel like you need to go outside into the world with bracelets
1:17:42and sensors strapped on your body. So the lines between technology and fashion and being able to
1:17:52take better care of ourselves, the lines are blurring every day. And this is empowering for
1:18:01people. Because this is the main point. Not everyone will ever need to do what I'm doing
1:18:09and what others are doing. Because fortunately most people are fine, don't need to switch
1:18:20eating habits, they don't need to do specific exercises.
1:18:26But the people who do, because unfortunately
1:18:29a lot of people have to deal with these sort of consequences of
1:18:33various diseases, the people who do are going to find
1:18:37terrific benefit in this kind of new technology.
1:18:42And for years I think when I last Christmas, when I was
1:18:50thinking about what am I going to do next year, what do I want to change about what I do every day.
1:18:55And one of my resolutions was I want to be, to paraphrase Myke, I want to be known for
1:19:03the guy who does stuff on iOS and the iPad. No, that's actually one of your best taglines, Myke.
1:19:11It's such a perfect way to think about what you do. So I was like, I want to be known for
1:19:19what I do on the iPad and what I do on iOS. But I also want to, not necessarily be known
1:19:26for, but try to help people publicly with this sort of topic. And it was difficult because
1:19:34I've been thinking for years to do that and I'm happy that it came out somehow well. Well
1:19:42enough for people to like it. I don't know if I'm gonna do this regularly, I don't wanna
1:19:52talk about cancer all the time, but I do want to talk about fitness and I want to talk about
1:19:58using technology not just for email and workflows and scripts, because I love that stuff, but
1:20:05there's also this other use of technology that's happening right now and it's a major
1:20:12area of interest for me and so I guess there's another thing I want to be known
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1:23:14sponsoring this week's episode. So in a complete surprise moment about an hour
1:23:21before the show this week Federico could you just explain what happened?
1:23:26In detail? As much detail as you'd like to go into. So I was sitting on my bed and I
1:23:32I was preparing the show notes.
1:23:34I was taking a look around at some links
1:23:39and I was listening to, I think, Oasis.
1:23:44I think I was listening to Some Might Say,
1:23:47which is a very fine song from Oasis 20 years ago.
1:23:52And I was at my Mac as every Tuesday and before Wednesday
1:23:58when I'm about to do the show.
1:24:02and I had Tweetbot open on the Mac.
1:24:05I keep notifications for mentions.
1:24:09I don't keep them on iOS.
1:24:11I only keep them on the Mac.
1:24:13I don't know why.
1:24:14So I was just scrolling through,
1:24:18and there was a, I mean,
1:24:19I was getting a good amount of replies today
1:24:23because of the article.
1:24:24And then at one point,
1:24:25like every time I get a notification banner,
1:24:31my eye quickly looks at the banner and then back up what I'm doing.
1:24:36So I was browsing and then I see this banner and like every other banner I look at it and I read
1:24:45@Pichiller and I'm like what? Like my brain took a good second to understand what was going on.
1:24:56I was like, like I stood there with my eyes just like silently. I stopped the music,
1:25:04like I was quiet. I stopped the music and very slowly I open tweetbot and I saw the tweet from
1:25:12Phil Schiller and it was, it's nice, it's awesome because it's, you know, I'm happy that I can get
1:25:23get that kind of recognition, I think.
1:25:29It's nice after all these years of work.
1:25:32It's nice that this person works at Apple.
1:25:36>> You just work at some employee, just some dude.
1:25:40>> No, I mean, he's of course a well-known figure.
1:25:44It's just I'm glad that maybe the first and only link that I'm getting from an official
1:25:51Apple account is about this story. This is the best part because it didn't tweet about...
1:25:57I mean it would have been awesome to get a tweet from, you know, from Schiller about
1:26:02the iPad or, I don't know, Workflow, but this personal story is just the best combination.
1:26:09You know, I'm happy, not necessarily because it's Schiller, I mean, awesome that it's Schiller,
1:26:16But it's Shiller and this story, and that's the best part for me.
1:26:21So I kind of panicked and I went to the other room and I had to tell my girlfriend and I
1:26:27kind of, you know, was really emotional.
1:26:30I'm a really emotional guy.
1:26:32Especially today, I mean, yeah.
1:26:34Especially today, and you know, I told my mom and, you know, fun times.
1:26:40Well I was screaming and trying to explain to my girlfriend, so I can't even imagine
1:26:46what it was like in the Viteegee household.
1:26:48I am so proud of you.
1:26:50I'm so proud of you.
1:26:51- Thank you. - You deserve it,
1:26:51and it's incredible to see.
1:26:54- He's a really cool guy, Phil.
1:26:58Now I'm just gonna call him Phil, like you do with Tim.
1:27:02- My buddy P-dog.
1:27:03- He's a cool guy.
1:27:06He reads, he has good taste in websites about his company.
1:27:15- No, it's super cool and I think, you know,
1:27:20with the watch and with all the I would say it stuff
1:27:23clearly struck a nerve with what they were trying to do
1:27:27and you know, I think it's super cool.
1:27:29I had missed it, I follow Phil Schiller,
1:27:33but I had missed it until a bunch of people
1:27:35started tweeting at the show account
1:27:37and I was like, my phone was just like going crazy.
1:27:39I was picked up and I was like, oh, look at that.
1:27:42(laughing)
1:27:44- It's pretty sweet.
1:27:45- Well.
1:27:45(laughing)
1:27:46- I texted my developer right away
1:27:50and I was like, there's Phil Schiller
1:27:53and he tweeted a link to Mac stories.
1:27:56- Hold on.
1:27:57(laughing)
1:27:58- You need to check, you need to go check
1:27:59the website logs and the stats
1:28:02and make sure that we can hold up.
1:28:04And he didn't reply, so I was like,
1:28:06his name is Alessandro and I call him Ale
1:28:09and I was like, Ale, Ale, Ale on iMessage
1:28:12and he didn't reply.
1:28:13And then 10 minutes afterwards, he was like,
1:28:16"Holy, what is going on?
1:28:17Fear Shield and Twitter linked to you."
1:28:19And I'm like, "Yeah, I texted you."
1:28:21And basically he panicked when he opened,
1:28:24he was at the gym and he opened Twitter
1:28:27and he saw the link, he didn't see my text and he panicked.
1:28:29And then he opened my message
1:28:31and he sent me this panicking text.
1:28:34And then he saw my previous message and he was like,
1:28:36"Okay, yeah, you saw before me.
1:28:38By the way, the server is fine because we have caching.
1:28:42So thank God for caches and WordPress, I guess.
1:28:47Yeah, we have a great developer.
1:28:51He's a cool guy.
1:28:52- Now, Federico, we have but a couple of minutes left
1:28:57on today's episode. - Yes.
1:28:59- Can you very quickly establish
1:29:01what you would like people to help you with?
1:29:03I see you have a thing here. - Yes.
1:29:06Okay, I have a problem with my Wiimao switch.
1:29:11I need to be able to do the following. Every time I go to sleep I use the new If This Then That app to turn off my Wemo.
1:29:26And that works really well. It's really fast and I'm happy with the app.
1:29:31So what I need to do is, my Wemo switch is a regular switch, the basic one.
1:29:36I need to turn off Wi-Fi when I go to sleep, and I need to turn on Wi-Fi back at 10 a.m. in the morning.
1:29:45I won't go into the reasons why I need to do this, but basically I need to cut off my...
1:29:50That's what I want to know.
1:29:51No, it's personal.
1:29:53I need to turn off my internet at night, and it needs to go on before we wake up in the morning.
1:30:02So the problem is the following.
1:30:04Because the Wiimote switch is connected to the internet, I'm seeing that when I turn off the Wiimote in the morning, because the internet is off, there appears to be some sort of bug that basically the Wiimote doesn't turn on using the timer that it has.
1:30:27I'm guessing because it's like a chicken and egg problem, because there's no connection,
1:30:33the Wemo doesn't turn on and because it doesn't turn on, there's no connection.
1:30:39So I'm trying to understand.
1:30:42When I set the timer in the Wemo settings in the app, I can say every morning turn on
1:30:50at 10 a.m.
1:30:52So does the Wemo timer require an active internet connection?
1:30:57Because sometimes it works and then other times my girlfriend wakes up before me and
1:31:03she finds the Wemo to be off and the router to be disconnected.
1:31:08So I'm not sure if it's my fault I'm trying to do something that is not possible or if
1:31:15there's a bug because sometimes it works, other times it doesn't work.
1:31:18I'm trying to understand. I need to have my router go off and on while it's
1:31:23connected to the Wemo. Is there a reliable way of doing this or am I just
1:31:28crazy? You need a British guy to come in and do it every day. Hello. Myke, are you
1:31:35familiar with Wemo switches? No, he's just gonna stand there. Yeah, I'll just turn it off and on again.
1:31:40We don't need a Wemo, we have a Mykelo instead. Wow, I would pay so much for that.
1:31:48So I assume the reason that you can't use a regular just timer is because the
1:31:53time in which you switch it off changes every day?
1:31:56Yeah.
1:31:57Yeah, okay.
1:31:58And I also want the, you know, I want to lay in bed and just press a button on my phone and I don't have to, you know, walk to the router myself and, you know, I just want to be comfortable.
1:32:12I want to use IFTTT.
1:32:13You don't want to just turn it on in the morning because sometimes it needs to be on before you're awake.
1:32:18Yeah, it needs to be automated. I'm not an animal. I'm not supposed to press balance and stuff.
1:32:25Needs to work on its own.
1:32:27Sure, I get it.
1:32:28And also I bought the Wiimote, so now I need to find a way to make it work.
1:32:32There's no escape. Needs to work.
1:32:35Yeah, that makes sense.
1:32:36We... I put my faith in the follow-up.
1:32:42If you'd like to get in touch with us about anything or to help Federico's problems,
1:32:47you can go find our show notes. They are at relay.fm/connected/29.
1:32:52You'll find the contact button there to send an email, or you can tweet at the show.
1:32:55We are @_ConnectedFM on Twitter. Federico is @Vittici, V I T I C C I.
1:33:00Steven is @ismh and I am @imike, I M Y K E. Federico writes the fantastic macstories.net.
1:33:10Stephen writes at 512 pixels dot net I do not write but I host many podcasts on
1:33:15Relay dot FM. Of course. This show is one of those
1:33:18I want to thank our sponsors again for helping us out with this week's episode sane box igloo and Linda
1:33:24Comm thank you for helping us out today, but most of all thank you for listening
1:33:30Until next time I'm Myke Hurley. He's Stephen Hackett. The other one's Federico Fattucci and we'll be back. Say goodbye guys
1:33:37Arrivederci. Adios.