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0:00:02From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 27.

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0:00:26My name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined

0:00:28I'm Stephen Hackett. Hello, Stephen Hackett.

0:00:30Hello, Michael Hurley.

0:00:32And Mr. Federico Vittigi. Hello, Federico Vittigi.

0:00:34Hey, guys. Hey, Michael Hurley.

0:00:37Are you are you a billionaire yet?

0:00:39I am multiple times over a billionaire. Yes.

0:00:43So like I saw you're like a trillionaire.

0:00:46Mm hmm. Hmm. OK, cool.

0:00:47Is there any specific reason you asked me that question?

0:00:50Just so I know, because you you have been everywhere today.

0:00:54Oh, at least in my in my Twitter and RSS feeds.

0:00:58There's like Myke, Myke, Myke, Myke, Myke all over the place.

0:01:01Everywhere I turn my face there's Myke.

0:01:04Feels like I'm being, I don't know, like I'm being followed by you.

0:01:07I feel like I should reinvent podcasts every single day just so I can, I have to say it's

0:01:13very nice to see your name in lights in places, you know.

0:01:17I like it.

0:01:20In case you don't know what we're talking about, as a show that I do on Relay FM, this

0:01:25this network of which connected is a part of called inquisitive.

0:01:29And since like November I've been working on a new show.

0:01:33Well I've been working on a new kind of direction for inquisitive called Behind the App.

0:01:42So basically the show is like a series of maybe 10 to 15 episodes we'll see how many

0:01:46it will end up being where I'm looking at the history of iOS app development in episode

0:01:52one and it's going to go through to like what it takes to build iOS apps and kind of what

0:01:57it's like to have Apple as a gatekeeper and stuff like that.

0:01:59It's a very different type of show to the shows that we tend to make and I would hazard

0:02:05I guess to say to many of the podcasts you listen to from a production standpoint it's

0:02:08very different and I put a lot of work into it and I'm very proud of it and I think that

0:02:13you might enjoy it if you haven't already heard it so you should do that.

0:02:16So relay.fm/inquisitive/27 is the episode that you want to start with.

0:02:22I mentioned in my post today about it like this this sort of show is one

0:02:27reason that we started Relay so you know this is only possible when you control

0:02:34the whole stack and so you know you we you had the idea we fled we fleshed out

0:02:40the idea you have the time and your schedule to it's very I mean people just

0:02:45don't know this is for I don't how long the show in it being 40 minutes or so

0:02:4845 minutes, hours of editing.

0:02:51And yeah, just the piecing together of the episode, let alone cutting up all the clips

0:02:58or the interviews or the script writing.

0:03:00Like just the actual edit of the episode probably took about three hours.

0:03:04Yeah.

0:03:05I mean, I don't know how many drafts and pieces of it I've heard over the last couple of months,

0:03:10but I know I'm super happy that you're doing it, Myke.

0:03:14It's really exciting.

0:03:16Myke you are now full-stack podcasters

0:03:20Yeah

0:03:24You control it all you control all the pieces you're like

0:03:27What's the like the mastermind of?

0:03:31inquisitive

0:03:33No, seriously, man. It's it's so like I listened to the first episode twice three times maybe

0:03:39It's it's really great. And and again, I say this not because you're my friend

0:03:44I mean, you are.

0:03:46You know, like, you are my friend.

0:03:49But I think objectively, it's a great show.

0:03:52And I think it's a great idea at the right time.

0:03:55The format is really, feels fresh, but also,

0:03:58it doesn't feel strange.

0:04:01Like, it feels just right to me.

0:04:03And so, I know that you and Steven have been doing so much planning for this,

0:04:08and, you know, all the work behind the scenes.

0:04:11scenes, so I'm a big fan myself. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, I'm very proud

0:04:18of it. I'm very proud of it. But you are my friend, so don't worry when I say that kind

0:04:24of stuff. You are my friend. Okay, good. I was worried. I was really. Nothing happened,

0:04:30Myke. I can assure you. No, I am worried. Shall we do follow-up and leave us break it

0:04:40behind. So Microsoft is still on the move. Outlook for iOS, which we've talked about

0:04:47the last couple weeks, it's really kind of stuck around, offers straight up IMAP support.

0:04:51So if you're like me and have mail at Fastmail or some other IMAP service, you can use Outlook

0:04:57now. And I plugged my Fastmail stuff in, it seemed to work just fine. I'm not using Outlook

0:05:02day to day, but it's great to have some options in here. And they just keep, they keep rolling

0:05:09the updates out to the stuff.

0:05:11The whole Office Suite actually this week also picked up support for iCloud Drive and

0:05:15other cloud services.

0:05:16So for a while it was just OneDrive and then it was OneDrive plus Dropbox and now you can

0:05:21use iCloud Drive or anything else.

0:05:25Microsoft is doing stuff, they're making their apps sort of better on iOS and that's a good

0:05:30time.

0:05:31I still need to add my IMAP accounts to Outlook.

0:05:37But this is what, like a month that it relaunched?

0:05:42Maybe three weeks, I don't know.

0:05:45I'm really enjoying Outlook.

0:05:47And especially I find myself when I need to look up a time or just my schedule in general,

0:05:54instead of opening my calendar app, I open Outlook, which is kind of weird because it's

0:05:59my email client.

0:06:01But I don't know, I formed this new habit and it's been working fine for me.

0:06:10I wanted to ask you, Steven, because you seem to be the person who's an expert about this

0:06:15sort of stuff.

0:06:17Do you guys have certified email?

0:06:23Basically in Italy, if you own a business, you have to create these, if you want to receive

0:06:29like government messages over email and you want them to be certified you need

0:06:34to create this special it's called a PEC it's spelled PEC in Italy and it's

0:06:40basically like a certified email account that allows you to I don't know it's

0:06:46like it's got like a special signature or whatever do you have this sort of

0:06:51email I guess there's like different name outside of Italy yeah we we don't

0:06:57here in the States, I mean, I've heard of that before, but it's not something that goes

0:07:03on here.

0:07:04I mean, if I wanted this, you know, for instance, the state of Tennessee where the LLC is located,

0:07:12they send me emails about various things and that could go to an AOL address for all they

0:07:16care.

0:07:17It seems like that's going to the state website changes.

0:07:19So I don't think there's anything real special about that.

0:07:22It's probably one of those bureaucracy things that we do in Italy.

0:07:28It's not a bad idea though, right?

0:07:30Like if you send email attacks information, it just goes to somebody.

0:07:33I mean, I don't know.

0:07:37Yeah, it's kind of cool, I guess.

0:07:39It's just the process of stuff.

0:07:41I remember last year, it was kind of awful.

0:07:46We have a special ability in Italy to overcomplicate things, and this is one of them.

0:07:52So all this to say I'm going to add this account over IMAP for those occasional government

0:07:59emails that I get.

0:08:00Right.

0:08:01They're just like, "Hey, Federico.

0:08:02How you doing?"

0:08:03It's a picture of a cat.

0:08:07How do you do it?

0:08:08How do you do the certification?

0:08:11You sign up.

0:08:12You have to provide your documents, like your ID, like business information, and you go

0:08:20through this process you pay with a credit card and there's like a couple of providers

0:08:25that you can use to buy one of these email accounts and they have like a @PEC.IT domain

0:08:33name and then you wait a couple of days and the email becomes active and you gotta go

0:08:40you gotta I basically gave this email to my local government business and like office

0:08:47I don't know how it's called in America.

0:08:51And then they use this email when they want to send you notices when you do something

0:08:56wrong and you don't want to get those emails.

0:08:58So I just get the good emails like, "We remind you that you gotta file your taxes between

0:09:06January and whatever."

0:09:08Those kind of messages.

0:09:10And I need sign up.

0:09:12The good news is that normally you would be forced to go to a website, to like a web app

0:09:17for email that looks like Windows 95.

0:09:21But thankfully you can configure this special email over IMAP.

0:09:27So that's what made me think of my email account that I need to add to Outlook.

0:09:34That seems a little crazy.

0:09:40This was not where I expected the conversation to go.

0:09:45Businesses and government?

0:09:46It's a fun conversation.

0:09:47Oh yeah, my favorite of all conversations.

0:09:50I bet that there must be some sort of, this sort of expert out there who will send us

0:09:56some follow up for stuff that I got wrong.

0:10:00I'm sure there must be some government email certified expert.

0:10:05Yeah.

0:10:06I did find the link to the page.

0:10:10The parts of it that are in English seem to be...

0:10:12They're talking about the PEC.

0:10:15So, Federico, if someone wanted to find this in our show notes, where would they go?

0:10:22They would go to the web and just go to Google and type "connected show notes" and Google

0:10:29will just give them to you.

0:10:31I will.

0:10:33I think you gotta go to relay.fm/connected, which is the name of the show, and then another slash, and you type 27 for 27, and you get the show notes for this very episode.

0:10:47- Google would probably work as well, though. - It actually does.

0:10:50- It does? Really? - Yeah, it pulls up episode 8 or something first.

0:10:55- That doesn't make any sense. - But if you only want to see the show notes for episode 8...

0:10:59It was a good episode. Yeah, just listen over and over to episode 8. Yeah, just what was episode 8

0:11:06It was I've closed the tab now it was

0:11:09Squidges we talked about Twitter and health apps and then the current state of iOS 8

0:11:14Like every episode for like a month true

0:11:18We all talk about this was leading up to the retina iMac now. We're just

0:11:23Reading our own show notes. So we're gonna move on. So I've got a little follow-up

0:11:28we spoke last week about how Memphis doesn't do very well in snow and ice. I

0:11:34have no idea how that became a topic, but it was. And the prompt

0:11:41curse has followed us to connected, and now it's about weather. So we,

0:11:48Memphis woke up Monday morning to like an inch and a half of just solid ice

0:11:53over everything and tomorrow is the first day that the schools will be open

0:11:59this week because like you can't I was out yesterday and today and it's sketchy

0:12:03to drive and because we don't have snow plows and snow plows don't even deal

0:12:07with ice we got a little snow last night on top of the ice and now they're calling

0:12:11ice plow dude go to Kickstarter and start that it's just all it is is me

0:12:19driving with Federico in the back of my car with a shovel like scraping it long

0:12:22as I drive.

0:12:23Do you want me to use a shovel?

0:12:25I don't know.

0:12:26I don't think I ever use a shovel in my life.

0:12:28I don't think a shovel's going to help you with ice too much.

0:12:32You know when it snowed in Italy a couple of years ago and it was really, really bad

0:12:36in Viterbo because there was like two meters of snow.

0:12:40That's like 20 miles, Steven.

0:12:45So basically it snowed so much that my family was like, "You need to go outside with a

0:12:50shovel and remove the snow from your car. I was just like, yeah, whatever. I don't want

0:12:56to. I stayed inside for like three days. I basically ran out of food at one point. I

0:13:04was forced to bake my own cookies.

0:13:08I remember that! I'm sure I remember you taking pictures of what was in your fridge.

0:13:15Yeah, all I can do is make cookies.

0:13:18Exactly. It was a really popular Instagram picture, I remember. I got a lot of likes

0:13:25for cookies. So I stay inside, Steven. Don't try to make me use a shovel. The only shovel

0:13:34I use is a shovel knife. Right, Michael?

0:13:37Oh yeah. We'll pivot then to something else. But now they're calling for more snow and

0:13:44ice now tomorrow night so I might never see you guys again but uh so we've

0:13:49cursed it and we got ice and everyone is dead so that's that's a good time so

0:13:57moving on to the follow-up we got an email this week from a listener named

0:14:02Spencer and I thought was interesting I thought it'd be worth talking about

0:14:07Spencer writes I wanted to know what you thought of a price reduction strategy

0:14:12for the Apple Watch. This individual device would be expensive. With the iPhone, there's

0:14:16less initial cost because of a two-year contract with the cellular provider. Basically, could

0:14:21Apple do that and somehow subsidize the watch with iCloud storage or vice versa?

0:14:26I thought it was interesting. I don't ever foresee that sort of thing happening for a

0:14:34bunch of reasons, but what do you guys think about this?

0:14:40It doesn't to me like those things don't really seem to like add up like that it would happen.

0:14:47Like it just doesn't seem like those two things would really make much sense for Apple to

0:14:53do because like the subsidizing of the iPhone is not something that Apple subsidizes.

0:15:02Like they are selling them at full price just to the cell companies and then they subsidize

0:15:08it for Apple.

0:15:09So like Apple still making all of the money and like then they still make money on the iCloud?

0:15:14Like selling you iCloud services feels like money left on the table?

0:15:18Because they would sell you the iCloud services anyway?

0:15:22Yeah, I totally agree. I mean that really sums up my thoughts.

0:15:27And I think it's especially problematic when you consider how often Apple has changed the iCloud pricing scheme over the years.

0:15:36It started as one type of service and then they changed the price and then they changed

0:15:43the price again.

0:15:44And I think that maybe just trying to sell the Apple Watch in this way would force Apple

0:15:50to never change iCloud pricing again.

0:15:54I don't know.

0:15:55It just seems, it doesn't seem to me like the sort of thing that Apple would do.

0:15:59yeah and may I think above all of that

0:16:02iCloud and the watch that from what we know today don't have a ton of

0:16:07interaction right because the watch is basically a satellite for the phone and

0:16:12so if Apple was ever going to do more with with iCloud and and may make the

0:16:18pricing better more aggressive or or something like that

0:16:23I don't think the watch is the product they would attach it to just you know

0:16:27back in the day when you bought a Mac you know I remember very clearly the

0:16:31Apple Store like trying to sell .Mac memberships because that was an add-on

0:16:34and you know right now iCloud doesn't really connect to the watch it connects

0:16:39all these other products and so I do think iCloud pricing is still a little

0:16:44weird in places I hate that I can't pay for just a year but that they paying my

0:16:48debit card for 99 cents a month but I don't really see a world where the watch

0:16:55is somehow subsidized or iCloud is subsidized by the watch or anything like that honestly.

0:17:00But an interesting point I think. So something to talk about. Michael.

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0:20:09So the New Yorker published a, I think I saw 16,000 word.

0:20:14It's crazy, it's a book basically.

0:20:16Did you read it Myke?

0:20:19- No, of course I didn't.

0:20:21- Hey, I read it.

0:20:23I've read it all on my iPad and it was great.

0:20:27It is long and it is at times a little tedious,

0:20:32but definitely the best look the public's been given

0:20:37of Ive and his work and so I thought maybe, I mean I'm sure lots of people have read it

0:20:42again it'll be in the show notes, but I thought maybe we could just kind of touch on some

0:20:47high points that sort of we thought were interesting and then go from there.

0:20:51How about you two just tell me the interesting things that you found?

0:20:55Okay so basically Johnny Ive secretly he comes from Mars and he came to our planet to basically

0:21:05finish all our aluminum resources, so that basically the human race will end. And it's

0:21:12like it's part of Johnny Ives' master plan, is to finish us off by using all the aluminum

0:21:20on Earth.

0:21:21>>Steve

0:21:21depleting the world's aluminium sources.

0:21:23Yeah.

0:21:24That's the takeaway from the old pieces, this one.

0:21:29Well, I wouldn't have expected that.

0:21:31I'm pleased that the New Yorker was able to capture this very important piece of information.

0:21:35It's also awesome reporting by the New Yorkers.

0:21:38[laughter]

0:21:39Should we move on?

0:21:42Okay, so basically, I will start.

0:21:45I think the general theme of the article is that Johnny Ive is a really tired and stressed

0:21:52person that he works a lot and he oversees a lot of projects.

0:21:57So he's in charge of iPhone, iPad, Mac, hardware design.

0:22:03He handles the human interface group, so that means software and other design initiatives

0:22:09in general.

0:22:10is also in charge of, I mean, he's basically overseeing a major redesign of the Apple Store,

0:22:17which would include, according to the article, new see-through tables for the Apple Watch.

0:22:23He's also overseeing the new Apple Campus 2 project, and he drives there basically every

0:22:29day to check on the status with the Norman Foster company guys working at the site.

0:22:40What else?

0:22:41I think that those two things maybe somebody else could do.

0:22:45Yeah, that was kind of weird.

0:22:47Basically it's like obsessed over the construction of the site.

0:22:52There's a lot of details in the article about how the floor and the walls will form some

0:23:01sort of corner when they collide.

0:23:04It's like a lot of details, like a lot of, you know, minimal details, small details of

0:23:13the old structure is in charge of those and it's changing stuff.

0:23:18Again, I apologize.

0:23:19I'm just going to apologize once for my ignorance because I haven't read this.

0:23:23But like when you say about like the floors and walls corner thing, is that like when

0:23:27you create like a lightbox out of photography and it's got this specific term to it where

0:23:33Yeah, kinda. That's my understanding. Like the transition is seamless. That's what I understood from...

0:23:42No, not meant to be a joke.

0:23:43No, no, no. I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at the thought that now they'll just do those product videos from any corridor.

0:23:51Just any office. And if you get lost, you find where they're keeping Scott Forstall.

0:23:56And he's just like touching an original iPad over and over.

0:23:59No, no, get this mic.

0:24:01Basically, I'm not joking.

0:24:04Johnny Ivey has a problem with sharp corners, so he specifically mentions that he wanted

0:24:12to change the shape of icons of iOS 5 and iOS 6 to more soft and rounder corners in

0:24:23iOS 7 because he was annoyed by the shape before iOS 7.

0:24:29And like the article mentions in other sections that is really like he has a basically a personal

0:24:36problem with corners of stuff and that he used to argue for hours with Steve Jobs about

0:24:42corners of basically everything.

0:24:44Clearly he doesn't use folders on his iOS devices because the corner radius still changes

0:24:48after load.

0:24:50I can't look at it.

0:24:53Yeah, it does.

0:24:54Oh man, I didn't know that it still did that.

0:24:56Yeah, at least in iOS 8.1.3 it still does.

0:25:00Wow.

0:25:01Yeah, Federico, I was impressed too by the fact that he just seems to be doing lots of

0:25:07things.

0:25:08Now, I'm sure that he has lots of people helping him in all these things.

0:25:11And I know because I've been through a commercial construction project that there's a lot of

0:25:18parts and a lot of people but it does seem like

0:25:21Why does he have to go on site and

0:25:25The question is did he do that because there was a reporter and there's trying to show that he's doing all these things or is

0:25:31this like is he really as

0:25:33Thinly stretched as it seems and it definitely is a little concerning

0:25:39Someone's word of the day was like we're gonna get to the car stuff

0:25:44but like Apple will do a car to keep Johnny I for being bored like I

0:25:47Don't think boredom is is the risk with Johnny. I think it's I think it's like

0:25:52utter

0:25:55annihilation of your time

0:25:57Actually, if anything, I think they're making the Apple watch because this guy needs to take care of his health, you know, yeah

0:26:04They mentioned that there is being so stressed out and so tired before the introduction of the iPhone 6 and the Apple watch

0:26:14and Apple Pay, the September event, that he was basically really ill and that he needed

0:26:20to rest so he took a vacation for the first time in years.

0:26:25Like this guy needs to take like six months off and just sleep.

0:26:30I feel like that maybe the construction project, like the architecture project, that might

0:26:38just be something like he wants to do because he's never going to get to do that again,

0:26:43in theory like you can imagine someone being like really interested in that because he's

0:26:49probably not an architect right by training like I'm just going to assume that that's

0:26:53the case. I mean I might sound stupid but I don't know what he's off the top of my head

0:26:58what his formal training was. So like he's probably in a situation where he can play

0:27:04architect like in this scenario like and nobody's going to tell him he can't and he might just

0:27:10be interested in that process?

0:27:12So I can kind of see that one, but maybe some of the other stuff, like the idea of helping

0:27:19redesign the Apple stores.

0:27:20Like there was just to me, just allow the people that do that to just do that.

0:27:26You don't need to do that.

0:27:27Yeah, the article says what we already knew, that basically Steve Jobs set up Johnny Ives'

0:27:33role in a way that he can basically have his say in everything that Apple does.

0:27:39So and also they say that at Apple the role of designers is held in such high regard that

0:27:47it's like when a priest walks into a church.

0:27:51So when a designer walks into a meeting it's like whatever the designer says you got to

0:27:56basically shut up and listen.

0:27:58So yeah, Johnny I basically can go to the retail team and say yeah I don't like the

0:28:03corner of the table.

0:28:05Then he goes to the campus site and he's like yeah I don't like the corner of the wall.

0:28:09He's just done Corner Brigade.

0:28:12Where are the corners?

0:28:15Well let me eradicate them.

0:28:16Maybe he has a Tumblr where he makes fun of bad corners.

0:28:19Johnny AI redesigns corners.

0:28:23Tumblr.com.

0:28:24But you know, I think that is interesting.

0:28:28There was a quote in the article comparing the way design works at Apple and the way

0:28:33design works at other companies.

0:28:35that instead of being like one vertical stripe as you move through a product

0:28:39lifestyle that oh I'm in design now I'm out of design that it's horizontal that

0:28:43you are always design is always involved and there you know comments the article

0:28:48about like retail packaging and all these things and it's really you know we

0:28:53made the joke about being full stack podcasters but with Apple it really is

0:28:56like full stack design like world where you know the guys in this lab can can

0:29:03can speak into any project and are involved from the very inception, you know, they're meeting with engineers. They're milling things

0:29:11I mean, I know they had had

0:29:13milling machines have put in in Cupertino that's been written about before

0:29:17but like they just go make prototypes and they had a prototype for all the iPhone sizes when they were going to go bigger and

0:29:24they, you know, settled on 4.7 and 5.5 by

0:29:28ruling out all the others and I think that approach

0:29:32while I'm sure

0:29:34Exhausting like that's why this stuff is so

0:29:36Especially the hardware is so good

0:29:39And there was a there was a bit in the article Myke about the desks that the tables actually that they use in the design

0:29:47lab, which is basically this

0:29:49large room where

0:29:51What's the number like 40 people Steven 50 people?

0:29:54Yeah, I think that I don't remember but I think that's the high end

0:29:59>> This is just Johnny's team, right?

0:30:02>> Yeah, the design team.

0:30:03It isn't like the really special people at Apple.

0:30:07They have these tables.

0:30:09Again, Johnny, I and Steve Jobs obsessed over these tables because they

0:30:15made them that they are basically low enough when you want to sit down and work,

0:30:23but also high enough when you want to demonstrate stuff while standing up.

0:30:28That seems like it defies the laws of physics.

0:30:31No, they say it's possible. It's a table that you can stand at

0:30:35and sit at and it's the exact right height for both things.

0:30:39The giant magic table. They have a trademark.

0:30:43Yeah, well, the table thing really pulls through Apple.

0:30:48An interview with Tim Cook several years ago, I think maybe right after he was CEO,

0:30:53named CEO, he had this quote of "everything we make we can put on this table"

0:30:59he repeated it on the Charlie Rose show, that's sort of an idea that Tim Cook likes to spout

0:31:04that "everything we make we can put on your dining room table" and that's our business,

0:31:08right?

0:31:09All of it.

0:31:10And thinking back at this article, they're talking about they would have all these iPhones

0:31:15on the table and then the old stuff gets cleared off and the new thing is on the table and

0:31:20That sort of like hands on collaborative approach to design, I think, is something that resonates

0:31:26even with Tim Cook, on the product side that you know, this is really, it's, there's a

0:31:31lot going on here, but it's sort of simple to understand.

0:31:33And that's really, I think, why I was so good at what he does is like, these things are

0:31:39complicated devices, and iOS seven and eight are complicated pieces of software, but they're

0:31:45doing what they can to make it simple to use and easy to understand, you know, that one

0:31:50One of my favorite bits of industrial design ever out of Apple is the iPhone ringer mute

0:31:57switch where if it's on mute you get a little sliver of that sort of orangey red down there.

0:32:01So even if it doesn't vibrate, if you can't remember, you can just look at it and know

0:32:06okay it's on mute because you know what that red means.

0:32:09It's those little types of touches that really set their stuff apart.

0:32:13One of the other great parts from the article Myke is when the reporter asks about how do

0:32:23you relate to the fact that people are about to walk into an Apple store in September and

0:32:29buy a new iPhone and you're already working on the next iPhone.

0:32:33And I says when we develop a new product in this way like an iPhone, of course when the

0:32:42current iPhone comes out we're already using the next iPhone and he says, he looks at the

0:32:49iPhone 6 and he says this is already boring to me because he's using the iPhone 6s or

0:32:57the iPhone 7 and I think that's fascinating because we know that of course Apple is working

0:33:02already, probably they have already finished the next iPhone but just to think that a person

0:33:08like me and you were all excited to get the new iPhone 6 and the 6 Plus and there's somebody

0:33:14on this planet who thinks it's already ugly and boring. I think that was kind of funny.

0:33:20Yeah, because you probably assume, right, that he's using a version of the iPhone 7

0:33:29when the iPhone 6 comes out because they don't need to start thinking about the 6s or whatever

0:33:34because it's the same like for Johnny's perspective like his team is done like for a whole like

0:33:41two years.

0:33:42I mean, maybe I mean the 4S and 5S did have minor hardware revisions, but I see what you're

0:33:48saying right that it's adding touch ID or changing the antenna breaks.

0:33:52Not a huge deal as opposed to the next major release.

0:33:56Yeah, like he's already thinking about like the whole next full redesign.

0:34:02Right.

0:34:03I'm sure there's people in his team that are working on the minor revisions, but he's not.

0:34:07Like I can't imagine that he's doing that.

0:34:10They began testing the bigger iPhones with the iPhone 4 design in 2010, 2011.

0:34:19And basically because of the design, it was all, you know, it was basically with the sharp

0:34:24edges.

0:34:25You're carrying like a VHS tape around.

0:34:28Yeah it was.

0:34:29I bet he hated it.

0:34:32They tested this 5.7 inch iPhone 4, and it's like it was too bulky and uncomfortable.

0:34:40We just decided to wait.

0:34:42Probably a good call.

0:34:43Yeah, yeah, the rounded corners, as slippery as it makes it, does help with the kind of

0:34:47making it seem smaller.

0:34:50I think kind of the last thing that I wanted to touch on was the sort of Johnny Ive outside

0:34:58of the lab.

0:34:59So that means they he interviewed him in his house. He talked to people who know him

0:35:03They kind of made it a sort of a story about how he

0:35:07He chauffeured to work now like he was in a car accident several years ago, and I think people were like, okay

0:35:13Someone needs to drive you

0:35:15He kind of makes jokes about Toyota's because he rides into Bentley. I

0:35:18None of that really rubbed me the wrong way. Like dude has been super successful. He's super wealthy because of it

0:35:24Like that's great. But what what struck me was

0:35:28the the writer whose name has escaped me

0:35:32they get to his house and he

0:35:36apologizes that they got there after

0:35:38dark like I know part of that's like

0:35:41sort of like I can kind of like see him

0:35:45in a top hat with the British flag like

0:35:47that some of that is sort of ingrained I

0:35:49think in the in the British culture but

0:35:52maybe Myke could disagree with that but I

0:35:55I just, that little thing kind of like, that little story reminded me like he is, he is

0:36:01a real person, right?

0:36:02Like he's not just this machine that's cranking out aluminum things, but that sort of like,

0:36:06Hey, you know, I'm sorry we got here after dark.

0:36:08Like that, that little like human touch, uh, I thought it was a really nice all, you know,

0:36:13all throughout this article, really nice touch of seeing him not only at work, but kind of

0:36:18like, what makes him tick.

0:36:20And um, I don't know, that little story just kind of jumped out at me.

0:36:23I thought it was pretty, pretty nice.

0:36:25And also when they say that he has a poster in his office with a lot of curses in this

0:36:32poster, like a lot of words that we cannot say here, I was like, yeah, Johnny keeps posters

0:36:39like teenagers.

0:36:40It's kind of human, you know.

0:36:43There's always the thing that I love about Johnny Iov, which was the video of him on

0:36:49the British TV show called Blue Peter.

0:36:52Oh, yes.

0:36:53I'll put it in the show notes in case you've never seen it, but it's such a great moment.

0:37:00It makes sense to me because if you are a British person and was a child as a British

0:37:07person in the last 40 years, you would feel that way and that happy about being on Blue

0:37:15Peter and getting the gold badge like he does.

0:37:18It's this whole thing.

0:37:20You can look it up.

0:37:21much upon me going into it, but the idea is like it really showed to me that like he has

0:37:27a very human side and I think that especially under Steve Jobs like there was you know

0:37:35there was at least a time where we kind of thought of Apple executives as kind of like

0:37:42not real people you know what I mean? - Yeah because he's an alien. - Oh yeah except for the fact

0:37:49fact that it's an alien. No, I get it. Because like Jobs was such a like, obviously was a

0:37:55human, you know, but like was was you never saw him that way. And it kind of that that

0:38:02kind of in the secrecy helps that kind of permeate. Yeah. But it, you know, that that

0:38:10for me, like it really showed like a personal side to him that I really liked. And I think

0:38:14It's a personal side that Tim Cook, Tim's Apple, is bringing out in the executives now.

0:38:22Where Steve's Apple was very much like, "We are not real people.

0:38:27We are like the machine that you mentioned."

0:38:31We are above you as a next level human.

0:38:34I get this sort of feeling from the old Apple.

0:38:37And what's really sad is that the Steve Jobs biography failed miserably to capture this

0:38:45human side.

0:38:47It was factually wrong and it's not really a biography.

0:38:50And of course, Johnny, I cannot remember the exact quote, but it's not really happy about

0:38:56the biography in the article.

0:38:58He says, I think I couldn't hold it in lower regard.

0:39:03Was really bad.

0:39:04I did read that. I read that somewhere over the last,

0:39:07like I've seen a few quotes here and there, you know,

0:39:09but like I did see that, I was like,

0:39:11"Oh, like, do you know that just put it down like--

0:39:13- That's a sick burn.

0:39:14- "You knew exactly what he wanted to say.

0:39:16"Like, I could not hold it in lower regard."

0:39:19What a great line.

0:39:21And that must be so upsetting, like,

0:39:23to people like Johnny who,

0:39:25Steve was such a close friend of his

0:39:27and maybe thought that this biography,

0:39:29when he knew it was happening,

0:39:31would finally give people a taste

0:39:33what he knew one of his closest friends to be like and kind of the book just

0:39:38didn't do that. it must suck. I think I'm gonna start saying my regard

0:39:43couldn't be any lower like in meetings and stuff like what do you think about

0:39:46this logo concept? I should also get a driver Steven. I should. I bought a Toyota though.

0:40:01Just buy a Bentley logo and put it on the car.

0:40:08Done.

0:40:09I'll be on eBay during the next ad read.

0:40:17Anything else?

0:40:19From Jadikal?

0:40:20Yeah.

0:40:21I mean there's the Apple Car but we're going to talk about that in a few minutes.

0:40:25Now I think we summed up the most relevant quotes.

0:40:29Those are some funny bits that I don't remember.

0:40:34One more thing that I want to mention, there's no, like, the reporter got access to Apple,

0:40:39to Johnny Ives' wife, to close friends, to, what's the guy, Mark Newsome, the designer.

0:40:47He didn't talk to Phil Schiller at Apple for some reason.

0:40:53That kind of stood out to me, because Phil, we always see him on stage, you know, in videos,

0:40:59And he talked to Mansfield, I think, to Big Bob, and he didn't talk to Schiller.

0:41:06Was kind of strange.

0:41:08If there's, you know, we were talking about like the bigger than you, kind of like look

0:41:14down upon you type Apple, maybe he's the only person left who's kind of like that.

0:41:20Probably.

0:41:21I don't know.

0:41:22I don't know.

0:41:23I mean that's allegations to make about the man, but all I mean is like if there's going

0:41:27to be anybody that's potentially going to still be like that in the Apple Executive

0:41:32Team.

0:41:33He may still be in that mindset.

0:41:36Or he was probably busy just taking pictures of squirrels.

0:41:39Probably was doing that.

0:41:42With the iPhone 7, I don't know.

0:41:45About that, very quick aside, the families of the Apple Executive Teams are very different

0:41:52all the time.

0:41:53They have huge families.

0:41:54They're always talking about their family vacations that they go on and they've got

0:41:58completely new families in their photos.

0:42:01There should be a TV show about the Apple executive families.

0:42:06Call it like I have friends.

0:42:11I feel like there could be such great stories in this show.

0:42:16I don't know.

0:42:20They have dinners together and they talk behind their backs, you know, like a parenthood for

0:42:26Apple executive families.

0:42:29That could be such a great show.

0:42:30Man, where's Joe Steele when you need it?

0:42:32I need to talk to Joe.

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0:44:22So I guess we should talk about the car thing.

0:44:27Yeah, sure.

0:44:29I've sort of been...

0:44:30I feel like Myke should talk about cars.

0:44:35Why?

0:44:39Because I know that you're a very passionate driver.

0:44:44Oh, right, I get it. Yes, yes, of the three of us I don't have a driving license, that's

0:44:50correct.

0:44:51So, let me ask you, if Apple does a car, would you buy one and finally get a license?

0:44:58No.

0:44:59Oh, come on!

0:45:01It's nothing to do with car manufacturers, I just can't...

0:45:03He could buy one and just keep it at home.

0:45:07He's a strong drummer.

0:45:10It's difficult to warrant the cost of a car in London.

0:45:16Is it really that bad?

0:45:17It's just a lot of congestion and public transport's really good.

0:45:21So you can kind of get everywhere you need to get with public transport.

0:45:25So it kind of seems pointless to spend all that money on a car.

0:45:30Or maybe, maybe when you all have a family you will move to the British countryside,

0:45:38in a house in a very big house in the country, Myke, and you will get a car to commute to

0:45:47London.

0:45:48I think what will end up changing me is when I have a family, so when I have kids, that's

0:45:52probably what will change me into getting a car because then you kind of, there are

0:45:55more tangible reasons for owning a car at that point.

0:45:59Okay, thank you.

0:46:00So Steven, tell us about Project Titan.

0:46:03Project Titan, which is an epic name.

0:46:05This came out last week or over the weekend I think.

0:46:09Just a couple links, one to the Wall Street Journals, one to Reuters.

0:46:13Reuters?

0:46:14Reuters.

0:46:15Reuters.

0:46:16Reuters.

0:46:17It's not like where you connect your internet to.

0:46:20That's a modem.

0:46:23Modem-ters.

0:46:25So Do-It-J and Modemers.

0:46:28Kind of conflicting, WSJ says that Apple is working on a car project, could it be as many

0:46:34is a thousand people working on it. It is for an electric car. This comes on the heels

0:46:39of a lot of reports that Elon Musk and Tim Cook are fighting over employees in the valley

0:46:46to work on their apparently respective car projects.

0:46:50Did you feel like Tim Cook could take down Elon in a fight?

0:46:53No, Elon Musk is like Iron Man.

0:46:55Yeah, I don't know, but Tim Cook has some serious bulk. The guy's big.

0:47:00Yeah, yeah, but Elon Musk has like rocket hands, so you're gonna lose.

0:47:05I feel like you made up the rocket hands thing.

0:47:08You don't know that.

0:47:09Okay.

0:47:10I made it up.

0:47:14So obviously like our corner of the internet sort of just went crazy with this.

0:47:20A lot of people, including myself, my knee jerk reaction was an apple car sort of made

0:47:26laugh because finder had just crashed

0:47:31for like the fifth time that day but

0:47:35I think big picture it's pretty

0:47:39interesting you know a thousand engineers

0:47:41working on this they're not pulling

0:47:44engineering resources from like you know

0:47:47the Swift framework team more likely

0:47:48than not you know it's not it's not like

0:47:50these people were working on iCloud

0:47:51infrastructure and now working on seat

0:47:55belts it's I don't think this is a big

0:47:55of resource drain in terms of they're hiring people in.

0:47:57But I don't know, like.

0:48:01Is is an Apple car the most ridiculous thing in the world?

0:48:04I don't think it is because the.

0:48:06Technology industry and the car industry are just like

0:48:10merging more and more every year, and so I don't know.

0:48:14It's it's it's weird.

0:48:16The ways in which the emerging

0:48:17that were still so very far away from each other, like.

0:48:22Just because a car runs on electricity doesn't make it a consumer electronic.

0:48:28I know we've had this discussion, I believe, a few times.

0:48:30My feeling about it, yes, it is electric, but it's very different.

0:48:36A car will cost 20 grand as opposed to a computer which costs one.

0:48:43These are very different things.

0:48:48as well, Apple tends not to have to worry about a myriad of things.

0:48:54Like, if the computer hits a wall or the computer crashes, will it kill anyone?

0:49:02Like, no. All it will do is make a Skype recording really upset and you have to

0:49:06use that and then all of the listeners get upset, you know, if your computer crashes.

0:49:11Oh, when does that happen?

0:49:15- Not today.

0:49:16It's not the same, like the ramifications of issues

0:49:22are so vastly different, like fundamentally

0:49:25you have to start thinking things differently as a company.

0:49:28And where I had the same feeling that you did initially,

0:49:32like this is insane, and I still do to a point think

0:49:35this is insane, it's like, I just, like, you know,

0:49:40I just, like, you know, I get what you're saying.

0:49:45Like your piece on it, I thought was very, very thoughtful

0:49:52and I quite liked it.

0:49:54I still think that like, this is such a huge change

0:49:57for the company that it doesn't even really make sense

0:50:00to me, like it would seem so peculiar.

0:50:02- Oh yeah, oh, it definitely is.

0:50:04And it's beyond consumer electronics for sure.

0:50:07I mean, you know, Apple doing CarPlay, like that's still Apple doing iPhone type things,

0:50:13right?

0:50:14But this is something totally different.

0:50:15And I think the reality is that, you know, Apple is the largest, the largest tech company

0:50:24in the world, one of the largest companies in the world, period, tech or not.

0:50:28So they're playing with all sorts of things, you know, is Project Height never going to

0:50:34end up sitting in my driveway?

0:50:36I don't know but it's not crazy for Apple to be playing with things.

0:50:43You know one thing that I had kind of came to memory under Steve Jobs R&D at Apple was

0:50:49very small for the size of the company they were and it's expanded under Tim Cook if you

0:50:53look at their at their earnings reports and I think I don't think it's necessarily a bad

0:50:58thing I think Apple needs to be experimenting and thinking about different things but as

0:51:02As far as a car swimming up in two years or five years, I'm not sold on that.

0:51:07But um, I don't know.

0:51:09What do you think Federico?

0:51:12It all sounds so far away from me.

0:51:16Not in just in the sense that I'm not really a car expert.

0:51:21Like I don't think about my car.

0:51:23I like I just want to drive my car because it needs to take me places.

0:51:28I don't follow car news.

0:51:31Not just in that sense that I don't care that much, but also all this talk about self-driving

0:51:39cars, Tesla, electric cars.

0:51:44I mean in Italy we are very much far away from this Silicon Valley type of car news.

0:51:52And also here driving old school manual shift is still very much what most people do.

0:52:03And I myself have grown up and I learned to drive manual.

0:52:09And to me driving is manual because I actually like driving.

0:52:15I like all the gestures and not the gestures in the sense of stereotype, but all the stuff

0:52:22you need to do to drive a car, to you know, the shift and the steering wheel.

0:52:28So thinking about these electric cars with presumably automatic shifts and

0:52:34maybe even self-driving, it sounds so, you know, so different, so new to me.

0:52:43And so it's difficult for me to imagine this sort of Apple car stuff.

0:52:48And also, it seems like what you said, Stephen, it's a massive undertaking, it's a massive change.

0:52:56Because making a car is not like making an iPhone.

0:53:00And I think Craig Hockenberry made a great point on his blog about you cannot ship thousands of

0:53:10Apple cars overnight from China on a plane like you can with iPhones.

0:53:17It's a really big plane. Unless you have a really big plane, exactly. I don't know.

0:53:23It's so... And I have a friend who works at Maserati here in Italy. He's a project manager.

0:53:32And when we talk, when he comes down to Viterbo and when occasionally we meet and we catch up,

0:53:38and he explains to me the process of the manufacturing and all the different pieces

0:53:46and how many people are involved and all the machinery and they constantly need to upgrade

0:53:52these machines and like how they build stuff all the little details it's just it's a completely

0:53:58different manufacturing marketing everything is different so while you can reuse like apple makes

0:54:07iphones they make ipads and they can reuse components they can reuse people they can share

0:54:12I don't know, marketing people making a car is like a whole different market. It's not another type of computer

0:54:19It's another type of object with a completely different type of price

0:54:24And so for this reason, I don't know it seems

0:54:28If they're really doing this and this is my other the other half of my feelings about this

0:54:35I think Apple is working on this stuff because it just makes sense. They have all that cash

0:54:41They are crazy enough to have people like Johnny Ivo basically don't sleep anymore and they want to oversee everything

0:54:49and they seem to be

0:54:51in a good way self-conscious enough that they know that they can make better design than others and

0:54:57also considering Apple's interest in, you know, being green and

0:55:03supporting renewable energies that kind of stuff making a car that allows people to drive without, you know,

0:55:11pollution or that sort of old school, like you need to put gas into your tank

0:55:16mindset, it makes sense, but it's a massive undertaking and change.

0:55:22So I'm kind of torn between, you know, my nature of an Italian who drives a manual car and doesn't follow car news and

0:55:28the idea that Apple is in theory well positioned to do this sort of effort.

0:55:35But in practice, it's a massive change. And

0:55:39So, I don't know it's it's fascinating much more fascinating than the iPad stylus for sure

0:55:45So I'll leave you with that. What if the car will come with a stylus that he could do real work in it?

0:55:51Yeah, I agree totally it's it's such a different ballgame the

0:56:01ex CEO of GM who has been in the news a lot recently for building cars that kill people unfortunately

0:56:09They've got to recalls and whatnot going on right now.

0:56:13You know, he had a quote that was eerily similar to like Steve Ballmer rejecting the iPhone

0:56:18and kind of the they're not going to walk in and figure this out type of feeling.

0:56:26And that is, you know, it's not shocking, but I think even more so than with Ballmer

0:56:33and the phone and these other companies looking at Apple in the past.

0:56:37This really is a huge jump.

0:56:38I mean going from a computer to a smartphone, that's a jump, but it's still a computer type thing and a car is not a computer type thing

0:56:46You know, maybe all we see out of this is carplay gets a lot better or you know

0:56:50It's easier to use or something. I would love to see Apple take over the dashboard and in a more robust way. I mean

0:56:56What can I look for?

0:56:59Mmm widgets inside my inside my car and

0:57:03When you add a new and you get the little ripple effect be exciting Steven stop

0:57:08You like the ripple effect? No, just widgets. Just widgets. Widgets are really helpful. Um,

0:57:14for some people.

0:57:16Yeah, I don't know.

0:57:18Time will tell with this. I think this is, I think Project Titan is one of many things Apple is doing that we don't know about.

0:57:25This one leaked obviously because it seems to be really big. The fact that it is so big

0:57:30I think leads credence that Apple is taking it seriously, you know,

0:57:33it's not just a handful of people in a room somewhere like tinkering with something, but

0:57:38It would definitely mark a new chapter in the company if this were to come true

0:57:43I think it would be a really really big deal

0:57:46It doesn't mean they're losing focus does it mean that the software quality is gonna continue to suffer for the Mac and iOS

0:57:53I don't know if they're if those things are hand in hand, but it would definitely be an adventure

0:57:59I think I think for now that's all we could really say

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1:00:15So there was something that we kind of wanted to bring up today after Dropbox announced

1:00:22that they've kind of beefed up their app by adding extensions.

1:00:29And I'm kind of interested to understand how is everybody using extensions these days.

1:00:39From the share sheet?

1:00:41Yes.

1:00:42Good topic.

1:00:43I'm sorry, mate.

1:00:45Okay, so this is a topic that in all seriousness, I'm sorry, guys.

1:00:50I like to be funny on occasion.

1:00:54I want to talk about extensions because it's been a few months since IUSAC came out and

1:00:59I know that I, I mean, you also know that I use my iPhone and iPad a lot but I want

1:01:05to start from you, Steven, because you seem to be the more Mac OS X type of guy here.

1:01:12So tell me, when you use your iPhone or your iPad, do you use extensions much?

1:01:18Do you use them for, excuse me for using this terminology, consumption type of stuff or

1:01:26do you use to actually do stuff more quickly that is not reading or watching a movie or

1:01:32whatever?

1:01:33Yeah, so my usage is really based around only a handful of extensions, but the ones that

1:01:42have stuck around I'm using pretty heavily.

1:01:46The big three for me are day one, Instapaper and Pinner, which is a pinboard application.

1:01:51And so with with day one, for instance, you can have a photo, you can be in the camera

1:01:55roll, and send it off to day one and add information to it.

1:01:59That makes it really easy to you know, I really like day one, but it can be a little slow

1:02:04to go in, add a new post and tell it what info you want.

1:02:07You can do it all from the share sheet, which is really fast, really nice.

1:02:11my day one usage has gone up incredibly since that extension has worked.

1:02:15Instapaper and Pen are definitely more in the consumption space of things, of "hey I

1:02:21want to send something to one of these two services" but it's definitely something that

1:02:26makes it a lot faster.

1:02:27I have gotten rid of almost all of my little bookmarklets that I used to run in Mobile

1:02:31Safari to do all this stuff.

1:02:32Extensions have just completely taken over all of that.

1:02:37And of course there's some others, there's some utility ones like 1Password and the Workflow

1:02:40extension which are both super powerful and 1Password in particular has really made browsing

1:02:49and like the other night I bought something on Amazon just on my phone because I knew

1:02:53that I had the 1Password extension and didn't have to go and copy my Amazon password in

1:02:57and do all that crazy stuff.

1:02:59So it was definitely a time saver for me on kind of both sides of that question.

1:03:05Myke, what about you?

1:03:08So I think my main problem is that the majority of the time I forget that extensions exist.

1:03:17Like I might be doing something or I open up that extension and it's paying for something

1:03:23and I'm like "oh yeah, that extension is here that I can use to do these things" or like

1:03:28I'm thinking about a way to get something done and don't even consider to think "maybe

1:03:33an extension could fix this, maybe I should go and find an app that has an extension".

1:03:38Like that has yet to really truly become part of my kind of thinking.

1:03:46And I don't know why that is.

1:03:49Maybe just there aren't as many use cases as there could be yet, or like there aren't

1:03:54as many ways in which you can pass this information around.

1:03:58Like maybe there needs to be more extension types before...

1:04:01Do you feel like the way that you need to activate extensions makes you forget about

1:04:08extensions?

1:04:09Yeah, that makes sense.

1:04:10Like you need to hit this share icon and then there's a panel.

1:04:14Because one of my, I think I will start, you know, every year I do this annual iOS WISH

1:04:23round up on Mac stories.

1:04:26This is the period of the year when I create my note with all my wishes for the next version of iOS.

1:04:34And one of my big things in this article that I'm starting now is being able to activate extensions

1:04:42in different ways. Because I imagine, what if instead of going through all these steps,

1:04:51that I need to press the share icon and then scroll through extensions. What if I could just

1:04:56customize shortcuts to specific extensions directly in the toolbars or the menus of the

1:05:04apps that I use? So imagine if you have Instapaper installed, you get an Instapaper icon in Safari

1:05:10instead of going through the share icon and or for instance, allow me to...

1:05:18this is gonna sound weird but again allow me to have an extension side by side with the current

1:05:25app that I'm using so that I don't have to choose either you use the app or you use the extension

1:05:31that comes on top of the app. You can do stuff for like a few seconds maybe with both apps and

1:05:39the app and the extension next to each other. So I'm thinking that maybe in iOS 9 it'll make,

1:05:44because you made me think of this point

1:05:50that I was just considering.

1:05:52I get it, it makes sense that you

1:05:54forget about extensions because

1:05:57the entire environment, and I guess for

1:05:59security reasons but also because Apple

1:06:00didn't have much time,

1:06:02it feels kind of limited in the ways

1:06:03that you

1:06:06as a user can get into extensions and it

1:06:07seems a bit

1:06:09slow after a while and then because

1:06:11it's slow you forget about

1:06:11the share sheet and extensions. So yeah, all these to say, Myke, that's a great point,

1:06:15Dana. I think it makes sense. And it needs to change.

1:06:18Yeah, I've got a couple things I would add to that wishlist. I wish that you could turn off

1:06:23some of the built-in Apple stuff. So like, I never want to send anything to Reading List.

1:06:28I never want to print anything.

1:06:31I also, even though they said they fixed it, they really haven't fixed it. Where if you reorder

1:06:38something so I remember this and with tweet by and Safari like I can't ever get my ordering

1:06:43what I want because I change it one place it has a tendency to affect it the other place

1:06:48that the ordering is still sort of buggy but um honestly I would love to order them per

1:06:55app even like that would be fine with me just leave them where I put them and let me turn

1:07:00off ones I don't want but I definitely agree with you it is it's sort of weird that they

1:07:05sort of hijack the share button for this and I get it gets philosophically like

1:07:09most extensions send data somewhere else but I do think that by putting them one

1:07:16layer away it's it's a little bit removed from like a lot of people's a

1:07:22lot of people's minds I will say though that on the iPad especially like using

1:07:28something like tweet bot that hasn't been updated yet it I look for them

1:07:32because you know tweet bot can do some of that stuff natively but it's sort of

1:07:35weird and like I you know I'm looking for a share button and that's not there

1:07:39so it has sort of stuck for me but I do wish that someone said there was a

1:07:44little more polish in the in sort of the experience of actually using and editing

1:07:47them and that sort of thing. For a second like I heard you say it but then like

1:07:52didn't think that you said iPad and I was like bro I've got something to tell

1:07:57The iPhone app was updated ages ago.

1:08:02- Oh no, I've been running the old one.

1:08:04Everything looks like metal all the time.

1:08:09- So basically the only extensions that I use

1:08:13instinctively of any sort of frequency are workflow.

1:08:17I mean, I use that a lot because there are some things

1:08:19that I wanna do and the only way to do them is workflow.

1:08:25So if I ever think of doing a certain thing,

1:08:27it's like the only way I can do it.

1:08:29Or it pops up at certain points, like for example,

1:08:31it's a bit like, one workflow that I use a lot

1:08:35is just very simply take the current URL and open in Safari.

1:08:40And there are a couple of things as being a Chrome user,

1:08:43which is super frustrating.

1:08:44Like if you click a link, if I click a link in mailbox

1:08:49to open the TestFlight app,

1:08:51because I get an email or something,

1:08:54it will just, it opens in Chrome

1:08:57and then opens the app store

1:08:58and takes me to the TestFlight app in the app store.

1:09:01And it's like, you're just trolling me.

1:09:03Like that's fine.

1:09:04Someone here is trolling me

1:09:06because that doesn't make any sense.

1:09:07- You know which email client

1:09:09can open TestFlight links correctly?

1:09:11- Outlook.

1:09:12- Outlook.

1:09:13- There you go.

1:09:14- So Myke, question.

1:09:16Is the workflow extension slow sometimes

1:09:19to come up for you?

1:09:20- If it is, I don't remember it being.

1:09:23- Okay, yeah, because I'm running into this strange bug

1:09:27and I need to tell the developers.

1:09:29- You probably have like a billion in there.

1:09:31And there are other things that pop up,

1:09:33like I want to use,

1:09:36like send something to Huffduffer or whatever,

1:09:38but the thing is,

1:09:40the workflow extension is like a whole other thing.

1:09:42Like I don't even think of it as an extension,

1:09:44it's just like the way I use that app.

1:09:46But anyway, the other one that I use

1:09:49of any kind of frequency is group text plus.

1:09:52And the only reason that I use that frequently is because I open up the share sheet to send

1:10:00something to someone by text message and then that one's right next to it.

1:10:05I'm like, oh yeah, that one's easier.

1:10:07Like I never think, oh, I better send this in group text plus.

1:10:10It's just like it's right next to the message icon.

1:10:13This is your problem, your process.

1:10:15You surprise yourself every single time.

1:10:18That is effectively all it is.

1:10:19That's an awesome way to live life, Myke.

1:10:22They are, they are, you know, it's just little miracles.

1:10:25They are literally the only ones that I use

1:10:28of any kind of frequency.

1:10:29- Interesting.

1:10:33I didn't think it'd still be using Workflow that much.

1:10:37- It's just, there are a few things

1:10:39that I have it do frequently

1:10:41that just no other app can help me with as easy.

1:10:45- Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

1:10:47- Yeah.

1:10:48So there you go. - Nice.

1:10:49Nice, very nice, Michael.

1:10:51So is anyone asking me or should I just start talking by myself?

1:10:55I was just about to ask you, but carry on.

1:10:57Thank you.

1:10:57As you were, sir.

1:10:58As you were.

1:10:59Thank you.

1:11:00I appreciate it, Myke.

1:11:01So the ones that I use the most, the extensions, Todoist, Workflow,

1:11:08Clips, and 1Password.

1:11:10These are my big ones.

1:11:12Todoist, because this has been such a huge help for me.

1:11:17I always forget to remember things I need to do and thanks to the extension, Todoist

1:11:26is the todo app that I use.

1:11:27I switched to Todoist last summer.

1:11:31I feel like I can remember stuff because I can create todos more easily.

1:11:38So there's less friction.

1:11:41It's always right there in the share sheet which I always open so I don't forget about

1:11:46extensions because I think for work and for, you know, maxstories articles I use them a lot so it's

1:11:52kind of become really a habit for me and because Todoist is there like I'm forgetting less stuff

1:12:00I'm still, I still need to get better because I often just don't save something that my girlfriend

1:12:06or my somebody else tells me to do and then I don't save it manually and I forget but I'm

1:12:12getting better and the extension has been a huge help.

1:12:15Clips, it's a clipboard manager for iOS and I love the ability to, like you can

1:12:24save multiple bits of text like when I'm in Twitterrific

1:12:30because the Twitter app doesn't have the sharesheet and I want to save, I don't

1:12:35know, like links to a bunch of tweets that people have sent me. I can just save

1:12:40them to clips and then using the widget I can pull the link back and like paste it in

1:12:45my text editor or my or slack or whatever.

1:12:49Super useful.

1:12:501Password of course to log in into websites and apps and especially impressive because

1:12:57of Touch ID and I didn't think that I would use Touch ID on my iPad much but thanks to

1:13:04apps like 1Password and stuff that implements Touch ID authentication, it has been useful.

1:13:12Touch ID on my iPad and 1Password is I think the app that I use the most with Touch ID

1:13:16every day.

1:13:18And Workflow, I do so much stuff into this app and I think I do all this stuff because

1:13:26it has this crazy action extension.

1:13:29I use it to share links, like when I'm reading in Pocket or in Nasl, these apps use their

1:13:40own custom short links.

1:13:42And when I share a link on Maxories or on Twitter, I don't want to use these custom

1:13:47domains.

1:13:49So I have a workflow that expands the real link for me, which is super useful.

1:13:54I have workflows to create what people call text shots, which is like when you want to

1:14:01tweet a quote from an article and you just assemble.

1:14:05I learned this terminology from MG Sigler, text shot.

1:14:09It's a thing that people do.

1:14:12There's a whole theory on the best color and the best typography to use for text shots,

1:14:17if you're interested, Myke.

1:14:19I recommend using the sepia theme because the contrast is much better.

1:14:26Anyway, I used to share links, I used to save files in Dropbox and getting the link back.

1:14:34I used this crazy workflow for Virtual and Mac Sorry Weekly.

1:14:40I save all the links that I want to talk about in an Evernote note.

1:14:47When it comes to the time that I need to record with you, Myke, or to put together the newsletter,

1:14:52I want to open all these links back again into Safari and go through them, go through

1:14:58each link to make sure that I want to talk about it.

1:15:01So I have a workflow that takes all these links from a note and it opens all of them

1:15:07at once in Safari.

1:15:09It's crazy, I don't know how to do it.

1:15:11These guys are geniuses.

1:15:13So yeah, I use Workflow to... a lot of the stuff that I used to do in Python with Pythonista

1:15:18or Bookmarklets in Safari, now I have this visual way with Workflow and it's got the

1:15:25extension.

1:15:26So for me, from the productivity perspective, these days working on iOS is much better thanks

1:15:37to extensions.

1:15:38There are many others, like today I needed to track a shipment and I used the Deliveries

1:15:44extension, which is really nice.

1:15:46There's the Anylist extension that I used to save recipes.

1:15:51I also basically forced the developers to support Italian recipe websites.

1:15:56They were awesome, they added support for my favorite recipe website.

1:16:03I love how like me and...

1:16:05I knew this was going to be the case that me and Steven have like one or two.

1:16:08And then it's like, "Oh, let me list the ways."

1:16:11I mean, because the phone doesn't have any apps anymore, all it is is extensions.

1:16:16It's like Safari and just a bunch of extensions and nothing else is happening.

1:16:21That is not too far from the truth.

1:16:22That was the awesome, really awesome view source, extension to view the source code

1:16:29of a web page.

1:16:30I used that on my iPad.

1:16:32Yeah.

1:16:33That's good.

1:16:34tend to be a web developer. Look at me, I'm looking at code. And that's really, really

1:16:40funny. Yeah, extensions, guys. I cannot wait to see what happens in iOS 9. Assuming it

1:16:48is going to be called iOS 9.

1:16:50What else are they calling?

1:16:53I don't know. iOS next.

1:16:568.6. Semicolon. We're bad at new OSes.

1:17:00Maybe they'll go with Apple phone OS 4.

1:17:03I think they go with iOS 10, just like Microsoft.

1:17:07I think that does it for this week.

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