15: Poster Child for Power Apps


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00:00:05   Hello and welcome to episode 15 of Connected from Relay FM.

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00:00:29   My name is Myke Hurley and I have the pleasure of being joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:33   Hi Steven.

00:00:34   Hey Myke.

00:00:35   And Mr. Federico Bottice.

00:00:36   Hi Federico.

00:00:37   Hello guys.

00:00:38   So we're back together again as a three.

00:00:41   Happy Thanksgiving.

00:00:43   I guess so.

00:00:44   In Steven's mind this has been multiple weeks since we've all been together.

00:00:48   I listened to last week's episode and heard the two of you discussing the fact that Steven

00:00:53   wasn't on the previous one when in fact he was.

00:00:56   And that's my main piece of follow up from last week's show.

00:00:58   You're sitting there going, "Oh, yeah, I wasn't on last week's episode."

00:01:02   I'm like, "Yeah, you were."

00:01:04   Getting old is hard.

00:01:05   Stephen, do you have a review of life now that you're old?

00:01:11   I do.

00:01:12   I've been testing life for almost three decades now.

00:01:16   You like it?

00:01:17   It's kind of mean in places.

00:01:20   Stephen, are you ready to give thanks?

00:01:23   Yes, Thanksgiving tomorrow year in the world's greatest country, if you will.

00:01:30   We don't celebrate it yet.

00:01:32   Yeah.

00:01:33   Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's time for family and friends and eating food that I was trying

00:01:38   to explain to you guys earlier that sounds...

00:01:41   When you describe what a Thanksgiving meal is out loud, you realize why everyone thinks

00:01:48   of Americans is like fat terrible people because it's terrible fattening food. But it's so good.

00:01:55   On upgrade this week, Jason quizzed me about how much...

00:01:59   Who's Jason?

00:02:00   Jason Snell.

00:02:01   You do another show?

00:02:02   No, no, no.

00:02:03   Just joking.

00:02:04   This is just a memory that I have. He quizzed me on how much I know about Thanksgiving and

00:02:09   I don't think I did very well.

00:02:11   I know about the turkey.

00:02:12   Yeah.

00:02:13   I think I'm actually an expert about Thanksgiving, even though I live in Italy.

00:02:18   Like, I watch a lot of TV shows where they have Thanksgiving.

00:02:22   So I think I have an opinion on Thanksgiving.

00:02:25   Yeah, I was saying that most of my...

00:02:29   Most of the knowledge that I have about Thanksgiving comes from friends.

00:02:32   Like, the TV show Friends.

00:02:34   Yeah.

00:02:35   Or Friends the TV show, you mean, not just Friends in real life.

00:02:40   Yeah, Friends the TV show.

00:02:42   You watch Friends, Myke.

00:02:44   I have.

00:02:44   Have you never seen Friends?

00:02:45   You must.

00:02:46   No, never.

00:02:46   Oh.

00:02:47   It's really old.

00:02:48   I don't like to watch old stuff because it makes me feel old.

00:02:52   I watched a lot of it whilst it was happening.

00:02:55   Yeah, no.

00:02:55   I was too young.

00:02:57   I was thinking about Harry Potter and Pokemon back then.

00:02:59   We're the same age, buddy.

00:03:00   We're the same age.

00:03:01   No, really.

00:03:03   You age differently in the UK.

00:03:06   I wouldn't disagree with that, actually.

00:03:09   We get very old very quickly.

00:03:10   We had a bunch of sad moments already.

00:03:17   We should talk about happy stuff.

00:03:19   It's not as sad as when you guys...

00:03:20   Like the Macintosh Classic 2 equipment.

00:03:21   I'm not letting you go along yet.

00:03:24   I need to just point out the fact that again, again, you said that I died.

00:03:30   Eventually that will be true.

00:03:33   One day it's going to happen and you guys are going to feel really bad about it.

00:03:37   Yeah.

00:03:38   You think it's true?

00:03:40   I do. I do think.

00:03:42   - The question is, so we need to deal with this.

00:03:44   Relay doesn't have a successor if one of us dies.

00:03:47   - No.

00:03:48   - We should have a relay testament.

00:03:51   Like the New Testament?

00:03:54   - It will be newer.

00:03:55   - You can send the emails to Myke.

00:03:59   Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

00:04:02   No, we went longer than we normally do

00:04:05   before we proclaimed your death.

00:04:08   And when it happened, it was sort of accidental.

00:04:11   But then it continued many, many times.

00:04:14   Well, I mean, once you step over that line,

00:04:18   there's no reason to go back.

00:04:21   Just keep going.

00:04:23   Let's do some follow up.

00:04:25   The Macintosh Classic II Aquarium--

00:04:27   Perfect.

00:04:28   Next.

00:04:29   --is pretty awesome by a listener

00:04:34   of the show and friend of all humanity, Ryan M.

00:04:38   shares with these and you should check them out

00:04:40   and I kinda wanna build one so I might do that.

00:04:44   - Oh, this is really nice.

00:04:47   - It's cool, right?

00:04:48   - What type of-- - I would actually buy

00:04:49   a Mac for this.

00:04:51   - What type of fish would you keep in your Macintosh?

00:04:56   - I think you have to keep a beta.

00:04:57   But he would just sort of crash into the walls

00:05:01   accidentally sometimes.

00:05:03   It's a statement on the current SaveApple software in the fish that I picked.

00:05:11   Stephen Hackett's one man show will be coming to an hour near you.

00:05:15   I'm an analyst, I've always been an analyst.

00:05:20   You know what you should do, Stephen?

00:05:22   You should start doing posit tweets.

00:05:25   Nope, not doing that.

00:05:27   Jason Snell in the chat room.

00:05:29   the original Macquarium was by Andy Enakto. Enakto, it's hard to say.

00:05:36   Enakka.

00:05:37   Agakkaka. And so there is an HTML document in the show notes. Federico, where are the show notes?

00:05:45   So the show notes are a web page where you can find all the links and the stuff that we mentioned

00:05:56   in the episode. And basically, the web works thanks to DNS. And DNS is basically a way to associate

00:06:07   domain names with IP addresses from servers. So once everything is working correctly,

00:06:13   you can use a web browser, such as the WAP browser on your Nokia phone, or one of those

00:06:21   internet navigators that you get in car entertainment systems.

00:06:25   You can go to relay.fm, thanks to DNS, /connected/15 and you will find a link to the Macquarium

00:06:35   to all the links that we talked about and hopefully many, many interesting things from

00:06:44   the web.

00:06:45   That is really one way of putting it.

00:06:47   Thank you Federico.

00:06:49   - Sure.

00:06:51   - That's good.

00:06:52   - That was my posit.

00:06:53   That was my posit.

00:06:55   - Thank you.

00:06:55   - Myke, can you talk about Android Wear?

00:06:59   - Not with any real knowledge.

00:07:03   - That's fine.

00:07:04   - Yes, but I do know this is the case,

00:07:06   and it's something that is brought up quite a bit to us

00:07:10   and many others.

00:07:11   When you guys were talking about the Apple Watch last week,

00:07:14   it is worth noting that Android Wear has offline GPS

00:07:17   and an offline music player,

00:07:19   so you don't need to be connected.

00:07:21   An offline music player could actually

00:07:23   and probably is something that the Apple Watch will have

00:07:26   via Bluetooth because you can store music on it.

00:07:29   Why else would you store music on it

00:07:31   if it's connected to the phone?

00:07:33   But we don't know any more details about that yet.

00:07:36   I, until today, forgot that I have an Android Wear watch

00:07:41   and I'm happy to remember.

00:07:43   - Yeah, it's one of those things

00:07:44   that you buy while you're out.

00:07:47   I'm getting better at that now, by the way.

00:07:50   - Like you don't go half conscious,

00:07:53   walking around buying stuff anymore?

00:07:54   - Not as much.

00:07:56   - I appreciate that.

00:07:57   - That's good news, I think.

00:07:59   - I spent quite a bit of time last week,

00:08:01   a lot of time upgrading my Nexus 5 to Android L.

00:08:07   - What's a Nexus 5?

00:08:08   - It's an Android phone, you know that.

00:08:10   - Okay, no, no, I really don't.

00:08:12   That was an honest question.

00:08:14   Like I thought he was a,

00:08:15   - No, like I thought it was one of those tablets

00:08:18   that Google used to do.

00:08:19   - That's the Nexus 7, Nexus 5.

00:08:21   - I don't know, how am I supposed to know?

00:08:22   - 'Cause the number denotes the screen size.

00:08:25   - I thought it was the model, you know?

00:08:28   - Four inch, the four was four inch, five, five inch.

00:08:33   - The Nexus 1 was really tiny.

00:08:35   - I mean, the iPhone 5 is called the iPhone 5,

00:08:37   it's not a five inch screen.

00:08:38   - Yeah, I know.

00:08:39   - Because it's the, in theory, it's the fifth iPhone.

00:08:43   It's funny now that my Nexus 5, the screen feels tiny.

00:08:47   It's like, this phone is minuscule.

00:08:52   I spent so much time trying to do all the crazy things

00:08:56   that you have to do and use the command line

00:08:58   and all that sort of stuff.

00:08:59   And I finally did it and then was like,

00:09:01   why did I do this?

00:09:01   And then just turn the phone off again.

00:09:03   I don't know why I did it.

00:09:06   - That's a rousing review of Lollipop.

00:09:08   - It looks nice, but I don't really know

00:09:10   what I'm attempting to get out of it.

00:09:12   So I have it sitting on the desk.

00:09:16   Maybe I'll play, spend a bit more time playing around with it.

00:09:19   And then maybe I can--

00:09:20   >>

00:09:38   I'm going to get Matt Alexander to find a shirt like that,

00:09:41   and then I'm going to ship it to you along with the Nexus phone and then you can conduct the experiment.

00:09:45   To me? Was this some sort of punishment?

00:09:48   No, no, just an experiment.

00:09:50   That's kind of weird, but okay.

00:09:53   Homescreen.is has launched.

00:09:56   Can I talk about this? This was my link.

00:09:59   I would like you to talk about it very much.

00:10:01   So people, it turns out that people really like to take a look at other people's homescreens.

00:10:07   and there's a new service by Betaworks, you know, the company that has many many apps and services

00:10:14   such as IstoPaper and Dig. And now they have this website called homescreen.is

00:10:22   and it's also an iPhone app that lets you share your iPhone's home screen

00:10:29   and what's nice is that when you share this screenshot

00:10:33   They do some sort of analysis on the image and they recognize the apps that you have installed.

00:10:41   And when you go to the web page, you can click the icon and it shows you a description of the app.

00:10:46   So when you take a look at other people's home screens, you can see links to the actual apps that they use.

00:10:53   This is nice, but there's a problem.

00:10:56   The problem is the status bar.

00:10:59   And the problem is that the app doesn't clean the status bar.

00:11:05   Like, I mean, it's not just me anymore because Apple or Stane Yosemite, they do clean the

00:11:12   status bar when you do a screen recording of an iOS device with QuickTime.

00:11:18   So the, I mean, obviously it is clear that at this point that the clean status bar is

00:11:23   the way to go.

00:11:24   And this home screen service doesn't clean the status bar.

00:11:28   So when you go to the homepage and you browse the gallery of home screens, you see all these

00:11:34   mess of low battery indicators and low signal or perhaps some weird carrier name.

00:11:45   It's really sad.

00:11:47   It's like walking around in a cemetery, I think.

00:11:52   Of what?

00:11:53   Of status bars.

00:11:55   Okay.

00:11:56   I like how it's like, this is a real problem.

00:11:58   I think mainly this is a problem for you.

00:12:02   I think nobody is more affected.

00:12:04   No, no, really.

00:12:05   There must be some engineer at Apple who thought

00:12:08   that the status bar was a real problem too.

00:12:10   So hopefully my soulmate is working

00:12:12   on the QuickTime team at Apple.

00:12:15   Whatever you are, I don't know,

00:12:19   whoever you are, you're a great person.

00:12:22   They're in tune. QuickTime engineer.

00:12:25   They're totally in tune with you.

00:12:30   How does everybody feel about this homescreen sharing service?

00:12:34   This is a real problem.

00:12:35   Steven, I cannot believe that you don't agree with me.

00:12:40   I do agree with you, but maybe homescreen audio 2.0.

00:12:45   You're not as passionate.

00:12:48   You can't launch the perfect product.

00:12:50   You have to improve it, and maybe that's how they improve it.

00:12:53   It is a pretty cool app.

00:12:58   I have noticed, so if you haven't seen one of these,

00:13:02   maybe Myke can put ours in the show notes,

00:13:03   but you click on it and it has the apps

00:13:08   that people have on their phones,

00:13:09   but it gets it wrong sometimes.

00:13:11   It gets pretty good, but sometimes it gets it a little weird.

00:13:14   The other thing that's really interesting, looking through these

00:13:16   on their home page, is how many--

00:13:18   these are jailbroken?

00:13:20   Like on their homepage right now, out of the 12,

00:13:23   it looks like at least two, maybe three are jailbroken.

00:13:26   Just a little surprising to me.

00:13:28   - I used to jailbreak all the time.

00:13:32   - So did I.

00:13:33   - Never. - A long time ago.

00:13:34   - Never did it.

00:13:35   - That's not true, come on, Myke.

00:13:37   - No, I've never jailbroken an iPhone.

00:13:39   - Really?

00:13:40   - It's just us and several tens of thousands of people,

00:13:43   you can tell the truth.

00:13:44   - And I don't know why I would have done it.

00:13:48   So you're saying that you use the terminal to do Android stuff and you never jailbroke your iPhone?

00:13:55   I jailbroke an iPod touch.

00:13:57   Okay, so we're getting some sort of truth out of you.

00:14:01   But I never jailbroke... Why would I have... Why do you guys do it? Why did you do it?

00:14:05   I had no reason to do it. It was fine, leave me alone.

00:14:08   I really liked all the tweaks, the customized stuff, you know?

00:14:15   Right.

00:14:17   Like, I was, of course, I mean, this is obvious in hindsight. There used to be a tweak called

00:14:24   Activator, that at some point it allowed you to, like, launch URLs from anywhere,

00:14:33   from the copy and paste menu as a shortcut. Yeah, that was one of my favorite tweaks.

00:14:42   It added custom options to the copy and paste menu,

00:14:45   which I believe will come eventually as extensions, hopefully next year.

00:14:51   But that's another discussion.

00:14:53   Yeah, I used to JetBreak.

00:14:55   And I used to be the go-to guy for my friends when it came to JetBreak.

00:15:00   People would come to me and ask for a JetBreak.

00:15:03   How did you do it? Did you go through all the crazy apps and stuff?

00:15:08   I remember there was one. The one that I did was when you could just go to a web page.

00:15:11   Yeah, there were a couple of those. Yeah, I cannot remember the names right now. One

00:15:17   of them was like Ice something I think. Icy, I don't know. It was a long time ago. Back

00:15:27   when, what's the name of the guy who got in a dispute with Sony, J-Hot? You remember?

00:15:38   Like the hacker?

00:15:39   Yeah, that was a long time ago man, come on.

00:15:43   This is making me feel sad.

00:15:45   George...

00:15:46   We should move on.

00:15:47   That's his name.

00:15:48   That's the guy.

00:15:49   He's 25.

00:15:50   Yeah.

00:15:51   Geez.

00:15:52   He's genius, yeah.

00:15:53   Anyways...

00:15:54   I have literally no idea what you guys are talking about.

00:15:57   That's fine.

00:15:58   I don't know what's going on today.

00:16:00   Myke, we have a store.

00:16:01   We do have a store.

00:16:03   There is an official Relay FM store now where we're selling stickers and t-shirts.

00:16:09   We've had many people say over the course of Relay FM's life that they would like to

00:16:13   support us in some way.

00:16:15   This is a way to do that.

00:16:18   You can go and buy stickers of your favorite shows and you can buy t-shirts of your favorite

00:16:23   podcast network.

00:16:26   We hope to keep...

00:16:27   Well, the plan is to keep the store ongoing.

00:16:32   basically we were thinking about adding all sorts of different types of

00:16:37   merchandise throughout the future, show shirts and other types of fun things so

00:16:42   I hope that you go there and you buy some stuff and make us all very happy.

00:16:45   Can I have a relay scarf? We can definitely add that to the list of

00:16:51   things to look at. Cool, thanks. No problem buddy. That would be pretty sweet though

00:16:57   actually. Yeah, like the scarf guy from the iPhone 6 keynote. One of those

00:17:03   kinds of scarf, you know. I think we've missed the time to sell

00:17:08   scarves. No, why? It's winter. Yeah, but I don't know if we could get it

00:17:14   designed and made and ready in time. We might have to wait and we can start

00:17:19   brainstorming some scarf ideas in the summer and we can have them ready

00:17:25   for the Fall/Winter Collection 2015.

00:17:29   Or we could have connected swimsuits.

00:17:32   Yeah, we could start working on those now.

00:17:36   Yeah, okay. We'll look at that.

00:17:41   Very nice. Very nice. So yeah, store.relay.fm

00:17:45   Go and buy some cool stuff. I'm sure you're gonna love it.

00:17:51   Yeah, otherwise Mykey's gonna be upset. I will be very sad actually.

00:17:54   So please go buy stuff with money. You don't want to be sad on the web. Mm-hmm. No, no

00:17:59   We don't we don't want you to be sad Myke

00:18:01   never

00:18:03   You're like the happiest person I know so

00:18:06   Please never be sad. Okay, I will try I will try my best. Do you know what makes me happy guys?

00:18:13   The Queen

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00:18:30   Federico

00:18:32   Yes, would you please be able to explain to our listeners what drafts is and why it's the best

00:18:38   It is an awesome app if you want to quickly enter any kind of text and save it and

00:18:46   And by save I mean whether you want to save it just into the app or whether you want to send it to any other app on your phone or iPad or on the web.

00:18:57   So, basically Drafts lets you create all these actions.

00:19:01   And actions can be something simple as "take this text and do a Google search for this text".

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00:19:17   So you can do this basic stuff,

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00:19:54   It is one of my most used apps on my iPhone or my iPad.

00:19:58   I use it all the time to just save text and forget about it.

00:20:02   And later, I can do stuff with that text.

00:20:05   For example, when I want to create a new task in Todoist,

00:20:10   which is the to-do management app that I've been using lately,

00:20:14   I just open drafts and I just type the name of my task.

00:20:19   Then on another line, I type the due date of the task.

00:20:23   And with an action, I just need to tap a button

00:20:25   and it opens the Todoist app and all the information

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00:20:30   And I just need to tap Save and the task is saved.

00:20:33   So this is just an example of the kind of flexibility that Drafts has.

00:20:40   There's a whole layer of advanced Draft functionality that I mean it's too much to go into detail

00:20:47   right now.

00:20:49   I think the best part is that Drafts is a simple app and it can remain a simple app

00:20:56   and even when you want to unlock all the advanced features, it still is a simple app that you

00:21:02   just need to open and type because at the very basic level you just need to tap the

00:21:08   icon and save text.

00:21:12   I think when you can make a powerful app but still make it remain simple, that's a good

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00:21:22   Good design.

00:21:23   Thank you Federico, I couldn't have said any of that better myself.

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00:21:49   Thank you so much to Agile Tortoise and Drafts for sponsoring this week's episode of Connected

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00:21:55   So guys, what do we have on the dock today?

00:22:00   I have a little small topic that I want to talk about.

00:22:06   Please, tell us all.

00:22:07   If you'll allow me.

00:22:08   I would love to.

00:22:09   I saved this topic 0.5.

00:22:12   It's a really peculiar and quick mention.

00:22:18   So I tweeted yesterday that I was looking for an iOS version of ImageOptim.

00:22:24   So ImageOptim is this crazy, magical, powerful Mac app that basically takes any image and

00:22:32   it makes it smaller. Not in terms of size, but in terms of file size. So like how many

00:22:38   megabytes or kilobytes it weighs. And I use this app all the time on my Mac mini server

00:22:45   to optimize the images that I use on Mac stories. So instead of being like two megabytes, it's

00:22:51   like one megabyte and the quality is most of all, you know, it's in general

00:22:55   it's the same quality of the image. It's just smaller because it uses algorithms

00:23:00   and magic, I think, to optimize files. So for me that's huge

00:23:07   because it lets me save money in CDN costs. So now that I've been using the

00:23:14   iPerf2 every day, I basically don't use my Macbook anymore. I only open my

00:23:19   MacBook to talk to you guys. I don't have an iOS version natively on the iPad of ImageOptim.

00:23:30   I asked yesterday because I was hoping that maybe in the past few months somebody came

00:23:39   up with an iOS version of ImageOptim. It turns out that it's not possible because licensing

00:23:46   problems with the GPL. I never actually understood what it means to have an open

00:23:52   source GPL license, but it appears that it's not possible to get open

00:23:58   source software with this kind of license into the App Store. So there's no

00:24:02   image opt-in on the App Store, so I started looking for a solution. I thought

00:24:06   that maybe I could optimize my images in Python using Pythonista.

00:24:13   I kind of came up with something. I wasn't super satisfied because the savings that I was getting

00:24:21   they were not as significant as using image opt-in on my Mac Mini.

00:24:29   So I gave up on replicating the kind of workflow in Pythonista and after much consideration,

00:24:40   which means, you know, just a couple of cups of coffee after dinner.

00:24:46   I decided that I wanted to keep using image optima on my Mac mini server because that

00:24:50   was the best way, but I wanted to change the kind of workflow that I have on my iPad.

00:24:56   So now I cannot talk about the specifics because the app that I'm using is not out yet.

00:25:04   So let's say that hypothetically I have this way to automate the iOS 8 document picker.

00:25:14   And the iOS 8, like the document picker when it lets you open files and when it lets you save files.

00:25:22   So now, right now I'm using this sort of workaround.

00:25:29   Using the native iOS document picker, I pick an image from the camera roll.

00:25:37   Using the same picker, I put the image with a clean status bar and convert it back to jpg

00:25:45   into the Dropbox app using the Dropbox document extension. On the Mac Mini, Hazel

00:25:56   basically opens ImageOptim, ImageOptim optimizes the image in like a second and it puts the file

00:26:03   into another Dropbox folder. Into this workflow on the iPad that I have another document picker

00:26:10   comes up, it lets me take the optimized image from the Dropbox document extension and then I use this

00:26:18   new app that is called DropShare which is basically the app that I was waiting for that lets me upload

00:26:24   screenshots natively to the Rackspace cloud files CDN and all this back and forth and

00:26:31   it means that in like five seconds I have my image with a clean status bar thanks to Dr. Drang and to

00:26:41   the CleanBar script that he put together last year. I have an image with a clean status bar

00:26:48   converted to jpg, optimized on the Mac Mini with image opt-in and uploaded natively on iOS to

00:26:54   Rackspace using DropShare, and I have a link to the image in my clipboard. So I'm happy about this.

00:27:03   Is that as fragile as it sounds?

00:27:06   No, that was my concern as well. The only problem... So yeah, it's kind of fragile,

00:27:15   but it could be worse and I think it's more stable than what I used to have.

00:27:21   Basically for MacStories we wrote this custom script that uploaded files from Dropbox to

00:27:29   Rackspace and it was very prone to crashing or just hanging for some reason. Now this is better

00:27:39   because Hazel with Dropbox, that's not the problem. The problem is the document picker.

00:27:45   on iOS, which sometimes crashes and just for some reason it stops receiving any input.

00:27:54   So the problem is not the server side, surprisingly, because image optimum and

00:28:00   Hazel are super stable. I don't have any problem with those. I tested with many, many images

00:28:06   overnight, like 100 screenshots. The problem was always the document picker, which sometimes just

00:28:13   hangs on my iPad.

00:28:14   So I need to restart.

00:28:16   - I do hope you see the irony of trying to move away

00:28:19   from a Mac to get your work done.

00:28:22   And then said it requires a Mac in the data center.

00:28:24   (laughing)

00:28:25   - Yep, to do this.

00:28:26   I know, I know.

00:28:28   The problem is that I actually,

00:28:31   I was prepared for this sort of remark, Steven.

00:28:35   The problem is that there's no developer

00:28:37   who's coming out with an image optimizer for the iPad

00:28:40   because they think that nobody would ever optimize images on the iPad.

00:28:45   So that's not my fault, you know.

00:28:48   I mean I would pay so much money for that.

00:28:50   What about something like Pixelmator?

00:28:53   Does that not do anything like this?

00:28:55   No, it doesn't have the kind of optimization that image optimizes.

00:28:59   And I don't know what's the deal with it.

00:29:01   Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the word of open source licenses kind of messy?

00:29:06   Because it seems to me that every once in a while there's a case of an app that's based

00:29:12   on some sort of open source license like VLC, which is not on the App Store anymore because

00:29:18   of these GPL whatever issues.

00:29:21   No, it's back now.

00:29:23   They fixed it.

00:29:24   It's back?

00:29:25   Oh, okay.

00:29:26   But I mean, I think there's a lot of room for interpretation in some of those systems.

00:29:32   some of those documents. So what besides like crazy things like you just talked about,

00:29:41   like what's left for you on the Mac? Podcasting? Podcasting, quick time screencast recording.

00:29:51   Yeah, because that's one that's just like become even better, isn't it, on the Mac. So it makes it

00:29:58   it even harder to move away because it's just become perfect.

00:30:02   It's basically perfect on the Mac right now.

00:30:05   QuickTime lets you record your iOS device's screen and there's no alternative on iOS.

00:30:12   Not if you want to use a native app, not if you want to do some server-side stuff like

00:30:16   I did with the Mac we need, there's no solution.

00:30:21   So podcasting, screencasts, GIF generation, the obvious ones, backups, betas with iTunes

00:30:33   and finder, these are the big ones I think.

00:30:36   I still can't believe that for everything I can find there doesn't seem to be any good

00:30:42   app on iOS at the moment that can take burst images or just a selection of images and turn

00:30:47   them into a GIF.

00:30:48   I cannot understand how that doesn't exist.

00:30:49   Because there's no burst mode for screenshots.

00:30:54   That's something that I was thinking about.

00:30:55   Yeah, well even if you manually made them, there's not a way to stitch them into a GIF.

00:30:59   Well I have a way.

00:31:01   Yeah, but it's probably like a data center and all kinds of crazy stuff.

00:31:06   No, it's an app that, it's workflow.

00:31:08   It's coming up soon.

00:31:10   Yeah, but you are very lucky.

00:31:13   Everybody else.

00:31:14   No, everybody will be lucky soon.

00:31:16   Okay.

00:31:17   My understanding is there is actually an API now for taking burst mode and outputting them

00:31:24   as a GIF.

00:31:25   That is something that somebody told me once.

00:31:28   But yet nobody's taking advantage of this and making an app, which people would pay

00:31:32   for, I think.

00:31:34   So I think it sounded really, really complicated, the stuff that I did for the image uploads

00:31:41   on iOS.

00:31:42   want to say that it is much much better than what I used to have and even if there's a

00:31:48   bunch of steps involved I'm really happier about the result because the previous solution

00:31:55   which I used for two years now, it worked for two years but it was super crashy and

00:32:05   This one, if Apple manages to fix the document picker crashes, which occur just randomly,

00:32:13   not all the time, it is much better.

00:32:16   I'm happier and faster now, thanks to this.

00:32:19   And DropShare, the new app, I'm so, so, so happy about it.

00:32:26   I told Steven, I think, or Myke about my level of happiness with this app.

00:32:32   got an extension to AppLog to Rockspace from anywhere, it's really, I'm so glad that this

00:32:41   app exists.

00:32:42   So yeah, that was my subtopic about images, I guess, clean status bars, working on the

00:32:51   iPad, so you guys can keep on making fun of me.

00:32:57   When you were explaining the way that you do that stuff with Image Upton, one thing

00:33:02   that I didn't get to say that I wanted to say is that I love you.

00:33:06   That was it.

00:33:07   No thanks.

00:33:08   Just that level of insane geekery in the nicest possible way.

00:33:16   There is something so incredibly admirable about that.

00:33:20   I just would not have the patience.

00:33:22   I couldn't go through working out how to do something like that.

00:33:27   I think it would drive me to distraction.

00:33:31   I don't know if I'd be able to take it.

00:33:33   But I love that you do it, and you're like a trailblazer, Federico.

00:33:37   You're set in the path.

00:33:38   Thank you.

00:33:39   I don't know.

00:33:40   See, I have a very, at least I think I'm this way, I think I have a very practical approach

00:33:46   to automation.

00:33:47   Like I used to do automation just for the fun of automation.

00:33:51   Now for the past year, I think especially, I've been doing scripts and automated stuff

00:33:58   only if it's really useful and makes me faster and basically earn more money.

00:34:08   So for instance, I have all this workflow for max-service deals.

00:34:14   And I showed you, Myke, the result.

00:34:17   lets me gather discounts from the App Store in a second. And sure, it took me an afternoon

00:34:25   to put together the latest update to the workflow. I've been working on it for the past 12 months.

00:34:33   But the result is that I'm, you know, my, the links with the Mac Stories deals, they

00:34:39   happen so quickly. I used to do all this stuff manually and now it takes me just a couple

00:34:44   milliseconds. So yeah, I think automation in general, it's like when it's practical,

00:34:53   when it has a real benefit, when it's not just a demonstration, I think it's more fun,

00:34:59   you know, when you see the result.

00:35:01   And as well, talking about the document pickers, I mean this seems to kind of have been like

00:35:09   not that great an output in the end because of the bugs that are there. Does anybody know

00:35:14   if Dropbox is ever going to actually appear and work. I mean it shows but it doesn't work,

00:35:21   right? Is that still the case? What do you mean it doesn't work? Well, I mean, well maybe

00:35:26   it might be fixed now, maybe I'm not paying enough attention. But it was like, say for

00:35:30   example you'd open pages and you'd go to the document picker and Dropbox would be a selection

00:35:34   but it didn't let you select Dropbox as one of the iOS 8 document pickers. Am I very late

00:35:42   on this has just been fixed now? No no no, I know that people were complaining about

00:35:46   that. I haven't checked in Pages lately because I don't use Pages. I'm in Pages now, yeah,

00:35:54   so I select it from the list, so I turn it on, but it doesn't show up. I know this is

00:36:00   also a problem with Google Drive, I think. Yeah, it's also, I think it's also... So the

00:36:04   The way that I'm using it, it lets me pick an image and it lets me export an image to

00:36:11   Dropbox.

00:36:12   I think it is kind of annoying that you need to change the location in Document Picker

00:36:17   every time.

00:36:18   You cannot set the Document Picker to open in Dropbox mode by default.

00:36:24   You need to tap on the location button in the top left and change from iCub to Dropbox.

00:36:31   Hopefully next year there will be a default setting.

00:36:33   So maybe this is the iWork Apps problem that I'm referring to as opposed to a Dropbox problem.

00:36:39   Probably.

00:36:40   Probably.

00:36:41   Man, iWork, huh?

00:36:44   Is that...

00:36:46   We should try it in the cloud.

00:36:48   Can we skip to the next topic, please?

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00:39:19   You know how we make fun of Myke for buying things?

00:39:21   Yeah.

00:39:22   Now it's my turn. Now it's me. What did you buy Steven? I bought a pebble.

00:39:28   Now? Yeah. We talked about this, how I might do it and I did it. Oh because of the experiment

00:39:36   to understand wearable devices. So the idea was to see if, in particular, risk notifications,

00:39:46   if those were helpful. So a little history, I backed the pebble on Kickstarter, got it,

00:39:53   and reviewed it in March 2013, was not very kind to it. But it has come a long way. iOS,

00:40:00   the way notifications work in iOS has come a long way. I still have many,

00:40:05   many complaints, which we might get to. But since, I guess since Friday, put it on Friday,

00:40:12   I have been wearing it every day all day and getting making my wrist vibrate when things happen on my phone

00:40:19   Mm-hmm. I said your wrist fallen off yet. It's still there

00:40:25   Point number one is you should just turn the vibrate motor off as a veteran pebble user

00:40:32   That's why I'm claiming myself to be now

00:40:34   it's better to just have that off and just you actually tend to notice the

00:40:40   light come on on your wrist

00:40:42   If you don't see it, you probably don't want to see it

00:40:46   So the vibrate motor kind of just gets in the way that would be my suggestion

00:40:49   Like just just turn it off and keep it off. Yeah, I've been using it so far

00:40:53   Just as it is out of the box. I there have been a couple times as I'll talk about a second rev

00:40:59   Turned it to like phone call only but so far have been running it just as God intended it out of the box and I

00:41:09   feel

00:41:10   Just objectively that I have a lot fewer notifications coming to my phone than most people and it's still going off all the time

00:41:19   And it's annoying

00:41:22   To some degree. I think the vibrate would help and I think maybe starting on Friday. I'll make that change and run it for a week

00:41:28   that way

00:41:30   But for now just as it is out of the box, it's really a lot of things going on

00:41:35   Well, it depends what notifications you have on if it's going off all the time and that's a problem then either the issue

00:41:41   I think will be you would feel a lot better if it's not vibrating

00:41:45   The other will be maybe you still have too many notifications turned on if you think it's too much for you

00:41:49   yeah, and I've whittled my notifications down on iOS to like

00:41:53   Critical stuff but a good example of something that I do is I have a couple like messaging apps

00:42:01   They only allow them my phone to change the badge and they can't make sound they can't light the screen

00:42:08   But if I open it if I unlock my phone, hey, you know, it's got a badge on it. I need to check it out

00:42:12   Because iOS

00:42:15   Notification controls are really simple and pebble is sort of like bolted onto the back of that

00:42:20   Even a notification this increases the badge count pushes to the watch like with the message

00:42:26   Which is a little frustrating and hopefully I'm really hoping the Apple watch gives us better like deeper controls of that sort of thing

00:42:34   like it'd be great for on the watch like

00:42:36   Currently in iOS you can change

00:42:38   notification badge

00:42:40   Banners and pop-ups and I think sound like I would love for like sent to Apple watch be an option in there. I

00:42:47   think a trade-off could be

00:42:50   That notifications could be tied to a VIP. So like anytime my wife

00:42:55   Sends me a text message send that to my wrist, but if you know like random person sends me one

00:43:01   It doesn't so we'll see we'll see how that turns out with the watch

00:43:05   Yeah, cuz I remember I noticed Instagram notifications

00:43:10   I didn't really pay attention to them previously cuz they don't make sound they don't buzz like they just were in notification center

00:43:15   And that was when I turned them off when I got my pebble. It's like oh, it's notifying me like in a different way

00:43:22   There's the thing like the pebble can't can't see your notification settings

00:43:26   So it as you say like it treats all notifications the same. Oh

00:43:30   That's insane because there's no there's no way it can do it that the support isn't there in iOS to send that information

00:43:37   So you just keep getting all the notifications. Yep

00:43:40   Yeah, that's

00:43:44   The I hope they hit the Apple watch will have a setting like Steven said otherwise, that's crazy

00:43:49   I think at a minimum it needs to observe the same settings, right?

00:43:52   So like if you only have a badge count, probably the watch shouldn't ever be notified

00:43:59   Or maybe if you want to to have a notification just on your Apple watch but not on the iPhone

00:44:05   Yeah, this should be just a toggle like Steven said

00:44:07   I would like to think that there will be a companion app which like like what Google have

00:44:12   For the Android wear stuff where you can where you can trick some of that out

00:44:17   Like I don't think it should be like I

00:44:19   Should have to change my note my phone's notification settings to change the watch notification settings

00:44:26   So it should just be like a bridge between them and I can pick what I want and how I want it to be displayed

00:44:31   I think that works a lot better, but

00:44:34   really though we when I

00:44:37   Before I turn the vibration off. I felt very much like how you did

00:44:41   First it enabled me to remove a lot of the notifications that I actually didn't need to receive like Instagram notifications

00:44:47   It's just not something that's important in any way really to me

00:44:51   So I turn those off because I kind of didn't really notice them

00:44:54   But

00:44:58   Turning the vibrate motor off really really helps because the light can catch your eye on the watch

00:45:03   Which is fine for me really because I can kind of choose to ignore it or whatever but having it having it

00:45:10   notify me if I vibrate I'm not sure about it's like I'm also not sure about with the Apple watch too because I actually find it

00:45:17   Kind of kind of frustrating and distracting especially because the phone will also vibrate so the phones in your pocket

00:45:22   you can't a vibrant in the leg and a vibrant on the wrist and

00:45:24   Typically the like a party the pebble is is is slightly behind

00:45:29   With receiving the notification. So like you feel it on the wrist and so fill it in your pocket and feel it on the wrist

00:45:35   It's kind of like

00:45:37   Yeah, yeah, so that could be very exciting. It's very very exciting

00:45:41   I will say what you said about no forget or a distraction. Excuse me is is interesting

00:45:46   I've had a couple times where it's going off and I'll glance at it and

00:45:50   To me I know that I'm just like looking at an incoming notification

00:45:55   But to other people looks like I'm checking my watch which is considered rude and like meetings

00:45:59   In fact, I had someone this thankfully it was not a work meeting. It was this weekend with somebody just

00:46:06   Talking with somebody and they're like, oh do you need to go and I was like, oh no

00:46:09   I'm like what I do like to explain that I'm checking like a text message from Myke on my watch

00:46:14   Or do I just be like, oh no, I'm good. I was just checking the time like do you explain who Myke is?

00:46:20   No, everybody. I just well I wear a shirt with Myke's face on it all the time. So people just

00:46:24   Just know that you need what you'll get. I mean, this is what I have now

00:46:30   so like if I'm if I'm sitting around a table with somebody I have like a

00:46:34   if I want to like I have a specific place that I could put my wrist and kind of glance at it like you end up

00:46:38   learning like the skills that

00:46:41   The stealth skills for checking your purple one. Myke you don't have meetings anymore. Yeah, I do

00:46:46   Where I have meetings with people they're just not in an office environment now. Mm-hmm

00:46:53   I have mainly lunches and parking lots, but I'm just picking up the things that Casey puts there

00:47:00   yeah, so I feel like

00:47:03   Maybe you guys remember this when you've got your first iPhone, you know

00:47:06   I was a very early iPhone adopter and it

00:47:08   it was kind of a big deal to like pull it out in a crowd of people because people would ask to see it and

00:47:14   like I felt very self-conscious about it almost to a point where like I

00:47:18   Felt like I'm gonna pull this out of my pocket and I'm gonna get mugged right like it it was

00:47:23   sort of a situation where society hadn't caught up to the technology and I think

00:47:28   The smart watches are definitely still in that phase, right?

00:47:31   like some people have them like the fact that I have it on at work at a company that exists on the internet like

00:47:37   I'm with designers and developers all day. It's not a big deal. Some other people have pebbles but

00:47:42   Like this weekend at Thanksgiving, right?

00:47:46   Like if someone notices it lighting up

00:47:48   They're gonna be like what what is happening over there like so much so that I actually have thought about like wearing my regular watch

00:47:55   To family stuff this weekend just so not to draw attention to it now try it see what happens

00:48:00   I probably will but even like at home right so I get home like at the dinner table. It lights up and like

00:48:05   My son is like. Oh, what's happening. You know like if he's attracted everything that lights up and makes noise

00:48:10   But it's it's sort of that gap between like nerds are doing this weird little thing and it's weird from the outside and sort of

00:48:19   could be perceived as rude in certain

00:48:22   Circumstances where like in a year if the Apple watch is successful

00:48:25   People aren't gonna think twice about it because a bunch of more people are doing it

00:48:30   So like I haven't felt that people that people don't really see the pebble and think that it's a weird thing

00:48:36   If it's just the watch face because it just looks like a digital watch like it just looks like a whatever

00:48:40   It's a digital watch. Yeah, but I you guys steal. I think this still helps with that. Oh, yeah

00:48:45   Yeah, I bought the nose the cheap ugly black plastic one and like it looks weird like yeah

00:48:51   it doesn't look it looks like something else like it it doesn't look like a watch

00:48:55   it kind of looks like a weird thing or like it's like a watch but it's like a

00:48:59   super weird watch like why have you got that weird watch but anyway like what

00:49:02   what I do notice though is and what makes me feel self-conscious at times

00:49:05   sometimes you'll be sitting talking to someone and your wrist lights up and you

00:49:09   see them look at it like I've caught people like reading it this was much

00:49:12   worse with the Android watch because it was actually more readable so it was

00:49:16   bright and colorful but I see people that look at it and they can see them

00:49:20   look at it and I kind of turn my wrist a little bit because I don't know what you guys are

00:49:24   saying to me.

00:49:25   I don't want you to show my heartbeat to anyone else.

00:49:30   It's like Inspector Gadget's watch.

00:49:34   You guys remember?

00:49:35   Yeah, I wish I could pull a little aerial out of it or something.

00:49:39   Steven, are you using any apps?

00:49:42   I've got one that does weather and I have a timer app.

00:49:49   That's it.

00:49:50   Only the two.

00:49:51   So I found that over time I used none of them.

00:49:53   Yeah, the weather, like, I kind of did it to see what the experience of loading an app

00:49:58   was and it's not super great.

00:50:01   The Pebble still suffers from like, it's sort of got rough edges in the software and it

00:50:07   all works.

00:50:08   I didn't have any problems installing an app, but it was like I go into the Pebble app and

00:50:11   I can only have like, what is it?

00:50:13   Five or seven things loaded on the phone at once.

00:50:15   Um, but it's, you know, the weather one is like, it's kind of clever and I've shown

00:50:21   that as sort of an example of people ask me like, what, you know, people who know

00:50:25   I'm doing it, that's kind of the one things I show them is like, oh, it pulls

00:50:28   this from my phone, but you know, I can just click a couple of buttons and do it.

00:50:31   Um, but it's weird.

00:50:33   I'm going to, I'm gonna keep doing it for, I'm gonna do it for the remainder of the

00:50:36   30 days and kind of see if my thoughts change but currently like the idea is

00:50:43   really interesting I think risk notifications could be really useful but

00:50:46   you have to have like complete control over the way they work and right now

00:50:50   with iOS and the pebble you don't. Risk notifications have become a thing that

00:50:58   has become pretty critical isn't a word but it's extremely important for me now

00:51:04   that I wouldn't... I like that experience so much that I wouldn't want to

00:51:10   go back from it. And I know that there are gonna... well I feel that there might be

00:51:16   things about the way that I'm used to it on the Pebble which would be

00:51:19   interesting to getting used to it on the Apple Watch. Like for example when the

00:51:23   when my phone is in Do Not Disturb I still receive notifications on my

00:51:28   Pebble. That's actually something that I personally like because most of the time

00:51:35   when my phone's in Do Not Disturb it's because I'm recording so my phone's not

00:51:37   buzzing but if something crazy is happening then the Pebble starts going

00:51:42   off then I can glance at it to see if it's something that needs to be dealt

00:51:45   with. I'm gonna assume that as you would think logically that the Apple

00:51:50   Watch will probably observe Do Not Disturb on the phone. I think so. I would

00:51:54   imagine so. You know so there's like it's just interesting I'm not saying one is

00:51:58   better than the other I think it's just gonna be interesting for me to make that

00:52:02   transition now because I'm so used to the Pebble having used it for as many

00:52:06   months as I've used it. Yeah I will say that even after just a week I'm more

00:52:11   interested in the Apple Watch than I was before like seeing what the how far the

00:52:15   Pebble has come in a year and a half since it's been out and kind of seeing

00:52:20   where those holes are where you can imagine what Apple could do because they control the

00:52:25   whole stack.

00:52:26   You know, the Pebble is riding on top of what iOS does.

00:52:28   They don't have any special hooks.

00:52:30   It's really compelling to see how they flesh some of this stuff out.

00:52:35   And it seems like maybe 2014 is almost over, so hopefully we don't have too far into 2015

00:52:42   before we know a lot more.

00:52:44   But I do know, having used the Pebble for the time that I've used it, that I will be

00:52:47   buying an Apple Watch as soon as I possibly can.

00:52:52   You will?

00:52:53   Yeah, I will definitely.

00:52:54   Because I think from just on a base level it's going to have everything that I like

00:52:58   about the Pebble and it's going to have a lot more.

00:53:03   My only concern will be battery life.

00:53:05   So how have you found the battery life on the Pebble?

00:53:08   It was about 60% when it came out of the box on Friday and I charged it for the first time

00:53:14   two nights ago, so Monday night, but it was only at like 20%.

00:53:18   I just did it because I was sitting at my computer for a while.

00:53:21   It had not run down.

00:53:22   So, I mean, if you take that out, that's, you know, easily four or five, six days.

00:53:27   Um, you'll get like an extra two days out of it.

00:53:30   If you turn it off at night.

00:53:31   Yeah, I have been doing that.

00:53:34   So I did, I've been doing that because I leave my phone on at night.

00:53:37   It's in do not disturb, but even if I take the watch off and put it like my

00:53:41   nightstand drawer comes out and it's full of junk, so I just put my pebble in there.

00:53:44   it sounds like a bomb going off. So I've been powering it all the way

00:53:50   off when I'm not wearing it at night and I feel like that's definitely helped

00:53:54   me. That's six, seven, eight hours at a time where it's just off.

00:53:59   Yeah, it's best to turn it off. Federico, do you have any thoughts, questions, posits or

00:54:06   anything I have to share with us about this topic?

00:54:11   Not really. I'm just waiting for an Apple watch to see how much it costs. Personally,

00:54:21   I don't think I really need notifications on my wrist all the time because I spend most

00:54:30   of my days at home working and when I'm out I usually don't care about work stuff and

00:54:40   if I get a notification that I want to check out when I'm out it's either a message that

00:54:44   I need to check out on my phone or a phone call.

00:54:49   So I don't really see the appeal of being able to glance because I don't have this kind

00:54:54   I don't commute, I don't walk to get to work.

00:54:58   I really don't need to.

00:55:00   I really don't need to.

00:55:02   - Sit up in bed and get your iPad.

00:55:04   - I don't need easier access to notifications.

00:55:08   And when I'm out, I don't want notifications at all.

00:55:12   So we'll see.

00:55:13   As I told you guys before, my interest in wearable devices

00:55:18   is more about the wearable part

00:55:19   rather than the notifications part.

00:55:22   So we'll see.

00:55:23   And that's an interesting dividing line.

00:55:26   The Pebble is very much about notifications.

00:55:28   Yes, you can put some apps on it, but they're very basic.

00:55:31   You can control audio to your iOS device,

00:55:34   which is actually really cool to pause a podcast without having

00:55:37   to get my phone if my hands are wet or something.

00:55:40   But the Pebble, the bulk of what it does is notifications.

00:55:44   And you could say that it's--

00:55:48   I would say that Apple hasn't really sold us

00:55:51   on a single reason the Apple Watch exists,

00:55:54   but notifications are a big part of it,

00:55:56   but I don't think it's as big of a piece of the pie

00:55:59   as it is on the Pebble.

00:56:01   So I think the notifications are going to be a big part

00:56:06   of the Apple Watch, but I think that it will do a lot more

00:56:10   than the Pebble does outside of that.

00:56:12   But I still like, when you look at the Pebble,

00:56:15   like it's pretty easy to see,

00:56:16   like this is for notifications, it's the reason it exists.

00:56:19   The Apple Watch I don't think is as clear.

00:56:21   Like I don't know if Apple's really answered the question

00:56:23   as to why it exists or why someone should buy it.

00:56:25   They're kind of saying, "Hey, it does all these things."

00:56:27   And you can pick and choose what's important.

00:56:29   And it sounds like to you Federico, you're more interested.

00:56:32   I know from our previous conversations

00:56:35   and the other things it does.

00:56:36   Like the notifications might be handy,

00:56:39   but not like not the reason you're buying it.

00:56:41   - Yeah, cool.

00:56:45   - Yeah, so we will follow up on Pebble stuff

00:56:47   over the next couple of weeks, I'm sure.

00:56:49   We always follow up on things.

00:56:52   I want to take a moment to thank our third and final sponsor for this week's episode

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00:59:42   So Stephen, tell me about what Twitter did today.

00:59:46   Twitter had a release, actually I don't know if it was a press release, they sometimes

00:59:51   sort of just drop things on their support pages, you can find a bunch of links in the

00:59:54   show notes.

00:59:55   I saw it first on Recode, that basically just as a release is that to build, and I'm quoting,

01:00:05   a more personal Twitter experience, that Twitter is going to begin collecting a list of apps

01:00:10   installed on your mobile device and the list of apps will kind of go into their big machine

01:00:18   that decides what ads are most relevant for you and sort of make their ad platform more

01:00:26   valuable.

01:00:27   Which I have no, I own an ad based company, I don't have a problem with the ads at all.

01:00:33   Where it's icky a little bit is that they're collecting a list of applications that you

01:00:37   have installed.

01:00:38   Now, to be fair before we get into this, you can turn it off, but it is opt-out, which

01:00:45   I think is the wrong default.

01:00:46   I think it should be not opt-out, but it is.

01:00:51   They seem to be rolling it out.

01:00:52   Some people on Twitter today have said that, "Hey, I can't turn it off."

01:00:56   Other people say that they can't turn it off yet, which is not uncommon.

01:00:59   Twitter rolls things out slowly.

01:01:00   It's a huge service.

01:01:01   They can't just flip a switch and everyone get a new setting box.

01:01:05   Why?

01:01:06   It seems to be, that's the way, web apps are huge.

01:01:10   And I mean like the cynic, which I think Myke,

01:01:14   you said in our chat earlier, is like,

01:01:16   they do it so you'll forget about it.

01:01:19   They will say that they will notify you about the feature

01:01:23   when you've been opted into the feature

01:01:24   by giving you a prompt in your app, I guess.

01:01:28   - Okay, that's not so bad then.

01:01:29   If they tell me, I'm okay with it.

01:01:30   I don't care about rolling it out.

01:01:31   - But I don't use the Twitter app.

01:01:32   It's not even installed on my phone,

01:01:33   So like, I guess maybe if I log into the web I'll see it.

01:01:38   And I'm not convinced that I'm going to go in, like I have a bajillion Twitter accounts,

01:01:41   I'm not going to go in and turn it off on all these things.

01:01:44   But it reads like they can't, like I'm not going to be any good to them because I run

01:01:50   Tweetbot which is like a whole 'nother topic.

01:01:53   That's kind of like the news of the day, they're going to be looking at the apps on your phone

01:01:57   and putting that in their ad machine.

01:02:01   So people went crazy.

01:02:03   I don't like it.

01:02:05   People went a little crazy.

01:02:06   There's a lot of debate on how they're doing it.

01:02:10   There's a really interesting post by our friend Nick over at RealMax saying that it's probably

01:02:18   by URL schemes, which is a pretty good way to see what's available on your device, but

01:02:23   not every app has URL schemes, so it might not be a perfect picture.

01:02:26   It is the only way to look at the apps that you have installed.

01:02:30   there's no manifest that an iOS is available to sandboxed apps. The

01:02:35   system has to know what's there but apps can't really see other apps unless

01:02:41   of an extension or URL scheme. So it's probably URL schemes. I mean I agree with

01:02:47   you I can't think of another way they're doing it but it's

01:02:52   it's a little weird and I tend to agree with Myke that it's a little icky but

01:02:59   But Federico, you on Twitter had a pretty good counter argument, so let's hear what

01:03:05   you had to say.

01:03:06   Yeah, I mean, it's nothing new really that apps can look at your list of installed apps

01:03:13   using the URL scheme.

01:03:15   And on Twitter, I shared a screenshot of the Launch Center Pro Action Composer that has

01:03:22   a list of all your installed apps.

01:03:24   And now I understand that this is really different, that Launch Center Pro is using the Action

01:03:29   composer as a utility and Twitter wants to use this data to better optimize their advertising

01:03:37   on the Twitter apps. But still, I think that people, at least some people, are overreacting

01:03:44   to this. You know, coming up with tweets like "oh my god I cannot believe that this is possible

01:03:50   on iOS" or that Twitter is doing this. Because I think that they haven't been paying attention.

01:03:56   And I think that what also annoys me is that I do believe that most of this hate, I would say,

01:04:04   is related to the fact that some people like to make fun of Twitter, and especially the

01:04:10   Twitter app for the iPhone and iPad, because they use something like tweetbotter and twiterific.

01:04:15   And I think that whenever Twitter announces a new feature for the Twitter app, now this is not a

01:04:22   feature I understand that just let me go on with the argument. Every time Twitter

01:04:26   announces a new feature they usually make fun of it or they criticize it. I

01:04:31   think that people need to come to terms with the fact that Twitter doesn't care

01:04:34   about third-party apps anymore. Either you accept it or you stop using Twitter

01:04:39   I guess at this point because I guess that a hard truth that people don't want

01:04:45   to accept is that the Twitter they see in the third-party client is not the

01:04:49   real Twitter anymore. It's a legacy Twitter and it is up to you I guess to understand

01:04:59   that or not. But it is undeniable that if you keep using third party clients you're

01:05:04   gonna miss out on many many parts of the modern Twitter experience. Now this stuff about the

01:05:10   ads, I mean you can say that it's sticky or that it's weird for many many other companies

01:05:16   that use ads. You could say that about Apple, with iAd, or you could say that of course

01:05:23   about Google, you could say that about Firefox, which now has ads on Mozilla, on the Firefox

01:05:30   homepage. So, you know, I mean, you could say that it's weird, that it's personal. I

01:05:39   I don't think that having a list of your installed apps,

01:05:44   which by the way is a list that many other apps

01:05:47   can look at and you don't even know

01:05:51   because they don't need to ask you for permission

01:05:54   to access that list because it's basically just looking

01:05:57   at a URL and determining whether that URL,

01:06:01   like tweetbot colon slash slash can be opened or not.

01:06:05   It's really simple.

01:06:07   And so many other apps can do that.

01:06:10   There wasn't a big deal about this before.

01:06:13   Yeah, I think that's kind of the breaking point, though,

01:06:15   of like, who cares if Launch Center Pro can do it,

01:06:17   but Twitter is a publicly traded company.

01:06:19   Like, I think that's kind of--

01:06:20   Yeah, what are they gonna do with your data, anyway?

01:06:22   I mean, it's a list of installed apps.

01:06:24   You could literally have Flappy Bird and Angry Birds

01:06:27   and editorial on your phone, and they wouldn't care.

01:06:30   They wouldn't be able to do anything with it.

01:06:32   I guess that, I mean, if the problem is

01:06:34   that you don't like the Twitter app,

01:06:36   you're not going to see the ads in Tweetbot or Twitterific anyway.

01:06:40   If it's just a matter of principle, why weren't you upset about the fact that iOS

01:06:45   can expose a list of URLs before?

01:06:48   Can I start now?

01:06:51   I have been, actually I just actually opened the Twitter app and in the timeline it says,

01:06:58   it came up to say to me, I haven't got it here now, but it was something along the lines

01:07:04   of Twitter now to see your apps to give you a more tailored experience.

01:07:14   Review your settings now if you'd like to change this to something.

01:07:16   And then it's taken me to review the settings.

01:07:18   The dialog says "Tailor Twitter based on my apps" and there's a button that says "Learn

01:07:24   More" which takes me to the App Graph Help Center information.

01:07:29   I don't like that it's mainly focused around

01:07:34   it's improving my who to follow suggestions,

01:07:36   adding tweets, accounts, or other content to your timeline

01:07:39   that we think you'll find especially interesting

01:07:42   and showing you more relevant promoted content.

01:07:44   I don't think that there's anything that this is for

01:07:47   other than to sell my data to companies for ads.

01:07:51   That's what this is about.

01:07:53   That's what people are upset about.

01:07:55   They may use this data for other things,

01:07:58   but the purpose of this is to sell it.

01:08:01   Now that's the problem and that Federico

01:08:03   is why I cannot understand why you're okay with this

01:08:06   because yes, Launch Center Pro can view it

01:08:08   but that's for a benefit for me.

01:08:10   Twitter are gonna take this information

01:08:11   and they're gonna sell that information about me to--

01:08:14   - How do you know that it's not a benefit for you?

01:08:16   What do you know if maybe someday you discover an app

01:08:18   through an ad on Twitter?

01:08:19   - Oh my God, this is the problem you have with Google.

01:08:22   This is the exact same thing.

01:08:23   Google sell your information to advertisers

01:08:26   so they can show you ads.

01:08:28   Are you seriously comparing the fact that Google can read my email to the fact that Twitter can see what installed apps you ever...

01:08:34   Nobody's reading your email. It's the same...

01:08:36   What do you know?

01:08:37   So what... I don't understand why is Twitter creepy and Google is not that they've been doing much much worse

01:08:43   with the kind of content that they get access to.

01:08:46   It's the idea... It's like the change of Twitter.

01:08:49   No, it's the fact that people...

01:08:51   People are in love with this idea of Twitter seeing through tweetbot or Twitterrific and that's okay.

01:08:57   it's just not Twitter anymore. That's what drives me kind of crazy.

01:09:02   But I just I don't like that the company's changing. I don't like it.

01:09:07   Yeah, see that's not up to you. I know it's not up to me. I'm not saying it is,

01:09:11   but it doesn't mean that I can't have emotions about it. I don't like that

01:09:14   Twitter is changing, and I don't like that it's changing away from what I

01:09:19   like, and I don't like that it's changing from my perspective for the worst for

01:09:25   what I like to use it for.

01:09:26   I don't like that.

01:09:29   - Well, we've seen app.net what happened.

01:09:32   - Exactly, I don't like--

01:09:33   - They need to make money in some way.

01:09:35   - I don't like that they are having,

01:09:39   I don't like it when companies change these things on you

01:09:41   and they opt you in, right?

01:09:44   They just opt you in.

01:09:45   And I don't like when I feel that I'm trying to be duped.

01:09:49   The idea of like, to make my experience better,

01:09:51   it's not what it's about.

01:09:53   Like, you are selling my information to serve ads to me.

01:09:57   That's what you're doing.

01:09:58   Like, you may be doing these other things,

01:10:00   but I can assure you that the reason this is happening

01:10:02   is not because they wanna show me other accounts to follow.

01:10:05   That is a reason.

01:10:07   It is not the primary reason.

01:10:09   The primary reason is to sell my information

01:10:11   so they can make money.

01:10:13   So we clearly feel differently about this

01:10:16   as we do many things in regards to this topic.

01:10:19   I appreciate that this is very much like Google,

01:10:21   But when I went in to Google, I expected this.

01:10:25   They were out front with this, this is what they do, right?

01:10:28   This is not necessarily what I expected from Twitter.

01:10:31   And Twitter's become such an important part of my life.

01:10:34   And I can just change email provider

01:10:38   and change a thing for my life.

01:10:40   Because everyone can still contact me

01:10:42   and I can still contact everyone.

01:10:44   I can change search engine.

01:10:45   Again, I can search for the same things

01:10:47   that I went to search for before.

01:10:49   I can't change Twitter.

01:10:51   there isn't another one.

01:10:52   And if I go--

01:10:53   - Well, there used to be, but they went out of--

01:10:55   - But that's the problem.

01:10:57   Anything that pops up, it's not the same,

01:10:59   because all of the stuff that I get out of it is not there.

01:11:02   People can't contact me in the same way

01:11:03   that they could before.

01:11:04   All the things that I like in the company are gone,

01:11:06   and I think that's why it upsets people.

01:11:08   Other companies, when they do these things, like Google,

01:11:12   everything that they do, you can just change it,

01:11:14   and it doesn't actually have a detrimental impact on you

01:11:17   in the same way that this does.

01:11:19   If you love Twitter and what you see as Twitter,

01:11:22   not Twitter the company, Twitter the service, right?

01:11:26   The API service.

01:11:28   If you love that the same way that everybody else does,

01:11:30   when it changes and when it looks like it's gonna change,

01:11:32   it looks like it's slipping away from you,

01:11:34   I feel it's a concern.

01:11:36   And the other thing about this is,

01:11:38   I'm starting to wonder now,

01:11:39   how far will I let them go

01:11:41   that I wouldn't let other companies go?

01:11:43   Like, whatever, look, I've turned it off now,

01:11:47   I don't care anymore.

01:11:48   like it's done with, but what will they do?

01:11:50   Like what could they do?

01:11:51   And like, oh, by the way, now we read your DMs

01:11:54   and we sell that information.

01:11:55   Like, am I okay with that?

01:11:56   I don't know.

01:11:57   - But they're not doing that.

01:11:58   - No, no, no, I'm not saying they're doing that.

01:11:59   I didn't say that.

01:12:00   I said, how far could they go, right?

01:12:02   So I'm imagining this like 1984 hellscape, right?

01:12:06   How far will I let Twitter go before I leave?

01:12:11   And I think I would let them get away with more

01:12:15   than another service.

01:12:17   like Facebook or something.

01:12:19   - I just don't understand why people are so upset

01:12:21   about this while Facebook and Google can do much worse,

01:12:24   you know, by looking at your data.

01:12:27   - The reason is I think because you can go elsewhere

01:12:30   for these other services.

01:12:32   - No, where can you go elsewhere for Facebook to Google+?

01:12:34   - Yeah, but you just don't have an account.

01:12:37   But my point is like, if I don't want a Facebook account,

01:12:40   like I can just get rid of it

01:12:41   and it doesn't actually make any impact on my life.

01:12:44   And I think a lot of nerds are the same

01:12:45   because it seems that this Twitter-loving nerd

01:12:48   doesn't really use Facebook in the same way

01:12:50   as the general public, so it's like,

01:12:51   whatever, I'll just let it go.

01:12:52   You hear many people don't even have a Facebook account.

01:12:55   I have a Facebook account.

01:12:56   I only have it for the few people

01:12:58   that send me group messages that way

01:13:00   and for events that people might send me to.

01:13:02   Other than that, I don't upload photos there.

01:13:04   I don't look at the wall.

01:13:04   I don't look at anything.

01:13:06   With Gmail's Google stuff,

01:13:08   I can just use any of the competing services.

01:13:11   It doesn't really affect my life in the same way.

01:13:13   If I leave Twitter, I leave Twitter, not the company.

01:13:18   That service in Tweetbot that I look at all day every day,

01:13:22   and currently there is no replacement for that

01:13:24   for me to get a similar or the same experience.

01:13:26   That is my concern.

01:13:28   I understand that what they are doing is the same

01:13:31   as so many companies and many companies

01:13:34   that I don't have a problem with.

01:13:35   And it's not about the fact of what they're doing.

01:13:40   It's my selfish--

01:13:42   my selfish concern about the fact that the service that I love is changing in a way that I didn't want it to change.

01:13:50   I appreciate that it's selfish and I don't have any right to tell them what they can or can't do.

01:13:55   But it doesn't mean that I can't be upset about it because it upsets me.

01:13:58   Where does that leave us?

01:14:00   That's my whole point as to what I'm trying to say is like, what do we do?

01:14:05   Like, what do we do? Like, I don't think we can do anything.

01:14:08   And is that a good thing or a bad thing?

01:14:10   When I say either you get used to it or you leave Twitter you understand that I that I have a point right because oh

01:14:16   Yeah, I know. I'm not saying that's what I'm saying. That is what I'm saying

01:14:20   I'm just coming at it from a different angle to you. You're being more positive about it than I am

01:14:23   Yeah, I mean there's no real alternative to Twitter right there was app.net there was tent is and

01:14:30   we've seen how things have played out there and

01:14:35   If you don't let Twitter become what it wants to become you're not gonna you're not gonna have the Twitter API that you know

01:14:42   and love anymore anyway

01:14:44   Because it needs to make money in some way, you know

01:14:47   And clearly you cannot you cannot be the service that millions and millions of people use is if you put a paywall or premium features

01:14:55   instead of advertisements and

01:14:59   Honestly, I don't think that being able to see the list of apps that you have installed

01:15:06   is as crazy as being able to...

01:15:09   Maybe that they don't have humans read an email, but still being able to read email or your browsing history or you know

01:15:17   your thermostat data or you know what you do on Google Maps, what you do on Facebook.

01:15:23   I honestly don't see the big deal and I think that a component of all this criticism is the fact that people

01:15:29   just don't want Twitter or third-party clients to die so they cannot conflate

01:15:34   the arguments. Can I just say one more thing on that? Yes. So I think one of the other differences and one of the

01:15:41   reasons I see this is different is all the stuff that Google sees is

01:15:44   information I give to Google so like they don't read my Outlook email they

01:15:48   read my Gmail email they don't read my Apple Maps data they read my Google Maps

01:15:52   data. The apps on my phone are not inside of Twitter so like they are reaching out

01:15:57   of their app to pull that information from me. That is not Twitter's

01:16:01   information. If they are reading the tweets that I send, even if they do read

01:16:06   the DMs that I send to make that sort of stuff, it's like I'm putting it in there.

01:16:10   What do I expect? You're a public traded company that sells

01:16:13   ads. The apps on my phone, that is not their data to sell.

01:16:20   I'm not giving that to them willingly. I don't put it into their service. They are

01:16:26   reaching out, seeing what I use and selling that information to other people.

01:16:30   That is like, for me, that is the problem that I have.

01:16:33   I don't care that they sell ads, I care about like on the stuff that I write or the content

01:16:38   that I put into their system.

01:16:40   It bothers me when they are breaking outside of their application to sell that data.

01:16:45   That's my concern.

01:16:46   That's what upsets me about it.

01:16:47   Okay.

01:16:48   So I guess that for me it falls more into the whatever spectrum and you're more upset.

01:16:53   Yeah.

01:16:54   It's interesting how with these inverse ways, like I'm like whatever about Google, but this

01:16:59   really upsets me.

01:17:00   It's just differences of opinion and what you think is fair.

01:17:03   I don't think this is fair.

01:17:05   But don't you think, Myke, that not just about today's news about the ads and the installed

01:17:11   apps, don't you think that in general, whenever Twitter does anything new to their iOS app,

01:17:18   people are upset because it's not coming to the third-party API?

01:17:21   Yeah, because we want our Twitter to be safe and amazing forever.

01:17:25   I appreciate that that is not our decision to make, and that is their decision to make,

01:17:29   and we shouldn't be so upset about it.

01:17:31   Like, this search thing, I think Twitter are well within their right to keep that out of

01:17:34   the API.

01:17:35   Like, that is a compelling reason to use the app.

01:17:39   And I think that's their decision.

01:17:41   And I don't think people should necessarily be upset about it.

01:17:44   I think that there's a preconception to hate Twitter in many people.

01:17:51   - And remind you, Myke, just in general,

01:17:53   like, of course you gotta despise the new feature

01:17:56   that Twitter puts in the iPhone app, because it's evil.

01:17:59   - Yeah.

01:18:00   - And that's, especially when you don't try the app,

01:18:03   like you talk about the Twitter app

01:18:06   as some sort of rumor or legend that you heard, you know?

01:18:11   Like so many people say, "Oh, whatever, the Twitter app,

01:18:14   "uh," you know?

01:18:15   And they never try the app?

01:18:18   I just don't understand.

01:18:20   People are scared. People are scared of what Twitter we're going to do. No, no, no, not the app.

01:18:25   People are scared that Twitter the company is going to take their thing away.

01:18:29   That's how people feel about it.

01:18:31   I think that's inevitable.

01:18:32   I know. I think that's why we're even more scared, because we know it's going to happen. It's just when.

01:18:37   It's not if.

01:18:39   Yeah, Federico, I agree with you that I have definitely... there's some people I follow on Twitter, like in the Apple space,

01:18:46   who are just like, wash their hands of it instantly.

01:18:50   I think part of that is the fear that like,

01:18:55   Tweetbot or Twitterrific or whatever you use,

01:18:58   like we are, to Everest's point, it was an hour ago,

01:19:02   we are legacy Twitter, right?

01:19:03   Like we use it the way that Twitter worked back in the day.

01:19:08   Like I, for one, can't really imagine the internet

01:19:10   without Twitter, like if Twitter implodes

01:19:13   or people move on, unless something replaces it

01:19:16   that is very similar, I will miss it.

01:19:19   It is a very central part of what I do on the internet

01:19:24   and very central to Relay's success.

01:19:27   All of our fans are on Twitter,

01:19:28   we talk to people on Twitter,

01:19:29   that's how we get the news out about things.

01:19:31   It's very weird to think about that going away.

01:19:34   But I do think nerds are more inclined

01:19:39   to frown upon this thing,

01:19:42   Because we do know in the back of our heads,

01:19:44   this is one more thing, one more stone on the scale

01:19:49   and it's gonna tip and their party clients

01:19:53   are gonna be done.

01:19:55   And it's, I think that's inevitable.

01:19:57   And what makes it weird is I know that I'm going to

01:20:02   have to use the Twitter app, not from a perspective of

01:20:04   they do all these things that are kinda weird.

01:20:06   I'm kinda in between the two of you on this.

01:20:08   But I don't wanna use the Twitter app.

01:20:10   It's not, in my opinion, an app that I don't enjoy using it.

01:20:13   I have used it for periods of time in the past.

01:20:17   I don't like the way that it works.

01:20:20   I like the way Tweetbot works.

01:20:21   So it kind of clicks with the way I think.

01:20:23   And so that's part of it, too, right?

01:20:24   I have this habit of using this app that works the way I like it.

01:20:27   And one day, that'll probably stop.

01:20:30   By the end of the day, to someone's point, Twitter is a company.

01:20:34   They do have to make money.

01:20:35   They're publicly traded.

01:20:36   to monetize their service or the whole thing is bust, right?

01:20:40   Like I would rather have Twitter in the official app and be annoyed than have no Twitter at

01:20:44   all and they have to figure out how to make their business work and I'm sure it's a very

01:20:49   expensive business to run and they're trying to get things out the doors to get that income

01:20:56   back.

01:20:58   So I don't think that Twitter is evil for trying to make money.

01:21:03   I think you said it really well that the dividing line is that you're not putting this information

01:21:09   into Twitter, it's pulling it in from you.

01:21:12   I think it's a really interesting relationship there that you pointed out.

01:21:18   I think that's like, I hadn't really thought about that way, but I think that is one reason

01:21:21   I feel it's a little weird because the app is reaching out and doing something on my

01:21:23   device and I'm not, like, I know that when I go to Facebook and I'm giving the Facebook

01:21:29   machine information about me and I'm doing that voluntarily, I'm actually doing it because

01:21:32   my family members make me, but more or less voluntarily.

01:21:38   Where an app doing things on my phone and like props for them, like I truly mean this,

01:21:43   like I'm a good move to alert you that they're doing it because if they did it without telling

01:21:49   you, that would be really bad.

01:21:52   And if it came to light, it would be a PR disaster.

01:21:56   So no, I think this is one more step towards like those of us in legacy land getting drug

01:22:01   into what Twitter's future is and like that's not great but I'd rather that

01:22:07   than not have the service anymore so I don't know. I love the timing too like

01:22:13   the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving. Oh yeah. Facebook did the same like I think

01:22:19   yesterday like they updated their privacy policy. Yeah, Slack did too. I don't know guys I may

01:22:26   have a problem maybe I just don't understand people like I don't understand

01:22:31   why, how can you not miss entire parts of the Twitter experience in third-party

01:22:39   clients and not at least be curious to see what's up in the official app. Like

01:22:44   like you cannot send pictures in DMs in in Tweetbot and Twitterrific and

01:22:49   Twitterrific doesn't even show you tweets with multiple photos in the

01:22:52   timeline. They don't show you animated GIFs. I guess the Tweetbot does now.

01:22:57   You're missing out on dozens of features and people just don't care.

01:23:03   I go in and look every now and then but I don't like the way that it handles remembering

01:23:09   my place in the timeline for example.

01:23:11   I don't like that.

01:23:12   So just for that?

01:23:13   No, no, no, but that's a key thing for me Federico.

01:23:16   That is something that is really important for me.

01:23:19   It took me away from using Twitterific and into Tweetbot.

01:23:23   That something for me is really important.

01:23:25   I like that, because a lot of people are tweeting when I'm asleep, and I wake up in the morning

01:23:31   and I like to read back from where I left off.

01:23:35   That's not the main thing, it's a thing, it's a big thing.

01:23:39   And that's something that I really like.

01:23:42   There are things about the layout of the Twitter app that I don't like.

01:23:46   The favorite button is right there and I keep hitting it whenever I'm scrolling through.

01:23:52   a bunch of little things but the Twitter app does some stuff a lot better. I

01:23:56   really like the notifications view. I think it's fantastic. You know like the

01:24:02   way it shows someone retweeted a tweet that you were mentioned in like nowhere

01:24:07   else can give you that information. I really like that. I think it's

01:24:11   really good. I love the way the profile view looks. I think it's way better than

01:24:15   any third-party client. There are things that I like but unfortunately the things

01:24:19   that I don't like are some of the biggest things that I use.

01:24:24   I don't like that when I just did it now, when it loads a gap, it pushes the data down.

01:24:29   That's not the way I read Twitter.

01:24:30   I read Twitter from bottom up.

01:24:32   So then I have to just go find it.

01:24:34   And that, again, that was something that has made me switch around and move clients before.

01:24:39   So I also don't like the blue line thing, but maybe I just need to get used to that

01:24:42   because you said that you liked that.

01:24:44   It made me discover so many tweets that I missed.

01:24:48   Like in practice it's useful.

01:24:51   I'm grown up enough I think to appreciate that there are some things that I don't like

01:24:55   because I'm not used to them, but there are some things that I know I don't like because

01:25:00   I've tried them this way before in other apps that weren't a Twitter app and I don't like

01:25:04   it.

01:25:05   Like the gap detection and the way that it loads in new tweets and stuff like that.

01:25:09   I don't like that because I don't like the way that that works.

01:25:13   But yeah, I appreciate what you're saying about the way that people kind of poo-poo

01:25:18   the Twitter app because it's the Twitter app.

01:25:22   Yeah, because they bought Twitter and because they changed it, you know.

01:25:26   This is now of course about you Myke, I know that at least you have some degree of curiosity

01:25:32   to check out the app every once in a while, but there's really people who, you mention

01:25:36   the Twitter app and they're like "Oh my god, you use the Twitter app?

01:25:39   You of all people?"

01:25:40   Like it's some sort of sign?

01:25:41   - It is kind of crazy.

01:25:43   It is kind of crazy 'cause it's like, you are-

01:25:46   - Is it crazy?

01:25:47   I mean, okay, I'm talking to developers, right?

01:25:49   So I'm talking to a bunch of developers

01:25:51   because I'm trying new apps

01:25:53   and they're asking me via DM,

01:25:55   "Hey, did you check out the app?"

01:25:57   And maybe I stumble across a bug.

01:25:59   So I send a screenshot in a DM, isn't that useful?

01:26:03   - Yeah, but it's just like you are this,

01:26:05   you know, you are like the poster child of Power Apps and-

01:26:10   - This is a power app.

01:26:12   That's my point.

01:26:13   - In its own ways.

01:26:15   - That's my point.

01:26:16   That's what people don't understand.

01:26:18   It is a power app.

01:26:19   When it lets you do all this stuff, it is a power app.

01:26:23   - Yeah, yeah, okay.

01:26:25   It's a power app in a different way though.

01:26:27   Like Tweetbot has more power in ways

01:26:30   that the official app does and vice versa.

01:26:33   - I'm not saying that Tweetbot and Twitterific

01:26:35   don't have their own useful features.

01:26:38   And in fact, I'm working on it.

01:26:39   So I told you guys, I'm working on this huge article about Twitter clients.

01:26:44   I've been working on this, taking notes for months.

01:26:47   And there are two features primarily, timeline sync,

01:26:51   and the fact that you can use the share sheet in Tweetbot and Twitterific.

01:26:57   And the Tweetbot maybe has a non-model web view.

01:27:03   Then there's the other stuff, like Tweetbot

01:27:06   lets you filter out hashtags and keywords, which can be huge for some people, I guess.

01:27:12   Although I gotta wonder why don't you just unfollow people if you're so annoyed by some

01:27:18   tweets. But anyway, I guess that Twitter is a really personal experience and I totally

01:27:23   understand why you want to use tweet, but why you want to use Twitter. I don't judge,

01:27:31   You know? I mean, everybody can use their own client. I'm just saying that it looks

01:27:35   like Twitter, the future of Twitter may be not an API, and this is not an "it looks

01:27:44   like" statement. This is an objective statement. Many features of modern Twitter are not available

01:27:50   in other apps. So when I say you're missing out on a huge part of the modern Twitter experience,

01:27:56   not something that you can say that's not true, because it is true. And so that's my

01:28:01   point. That's why I don't understand why some people wouldn't say, "Okay, yeah, I'm missing

01:28:05   out on many features of Twitter, maybe I should just give this app a chance and see what's

01:28:10   up." And I don't know why. I don't know why, because they're scared. I mean, it's a free

01:28:19   And so I thought about it and I guess that if you're so upset about Twitter doing these kind of changes

01:28:28   and if you're so upset about the app and it's a... I mean when I tweet about this stuff, when I talk about this stuff,

01:28:34   when I write about Twitter clients, I get so many emails and tweets from people who seem... who sound at least...

01:28:40   they sound angry and upset because they say "You, you use the Twitter app, you should be like ashamed".

01:28:46   And I just don't get it, you know, because it's just a Twitter app and people are so upset.

01:28:51   This is what we get upset about though. These are the things, you know, the apps people use.

01:28:56   Yeah, I mean it doesn't really make sense, to me at least.

01:29:00   Like I understand why you prefer another app, but why would you go all the way out to send me an email

01:29:06   or to send me a tweet just to say I cannot believe you use the Twitter app or like to say

01:29:12   or the Twitter app is a piece of, you know, that kind of stuff. Like, there's no need

01:29:16   to and especially when you say, "I don't even want to try the Twitter app." Okay.

01:29:22   Have you ever been on the internet?

01:29:24   I have been. I have been. It just surprises me that people would be upset for Twitter clients.

01:29:31   And people get upset about weirder things than that, my friend.

01:29:34   Yeah.

01:29:35   You know, I've been on the internet. I've seen weird stuff. I've seen weird people.

01:29:40   just never with people about Twitter clients.

01:29:44   That was a new one for me.

01:29:45   So yeah.

01:29:47   I'm sure you're going to get a lot of people come out of the woodwork now.

01:29:50   Oh yeah.

01:29:51   Yeah.

01:29:52   Oh, especially after I published the article.

01:29:55   I'm trying to be as objective as possible, especially with the features.

01:30:01   When it comes to features, you cannot object features.

01:30:04   They're either there or they're not.

01:30:07   So I got that going for me, you know?

01:30:11   That's good stuff.

01:30:13   I like when you cannot object points.

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