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00:00:06 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to episode X of Connected on Relay FM.

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00:00:28 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley.

00:00:29 ◼   ► I am joined, as always, by Mr.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Federico Vittucci. Hi, Federico.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Hey, Myke. And Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Hey, boys. Guys, big show today.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Big, big, busy week.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Yeah, lots of lots of little lovely things to talk about,

00:00:45 ◼   ► including an Apple event, I suppose.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Yeah, with the last show to talk about it.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I guess it wasn't

00:00:54 ◼   ► it wasn't too bad to be the last show to talk about it.

00:00:56 ◼   ► Like there wasn't.

00:00:57 ◼   ► No, we can sound super smart because we know what everybody else said.

00:01:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:01 ◼   ► Well, it was actually like 30 minutes of new stuff and 30 minutes of recap of old features

00:01:09 ◼   ► and iOS 8, which was kind of weird, I think.

00:01:12 ◼   ► So we can recap the recap and recap the new stuff.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Yes, it's gonna be recapping all the way down.

00:01:19 ◼   ► We should be like...

00:01:20 ◼   ► Recapping sounds like a knee surgery.

00:01:23 ◼   ► We should be the tech meme of Apple events.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:01:27 ◼   ► Tell me what this means to you Federico, I'm interested to know.

00:01:30 ◼   ► Like you know when you go on Techmeme and you get all these headlines with the summaries

00:01:36 ◼   ► about a specific topic and like you have the bigger summary and like you have smaller headlines

00:01:41 ◼   ► from like other websites.

00:01:44 ◼   ► So if we do the recap of the recap we can be sort of like aggregating news, you know?

00:01:50 ◼   ► Just read Techmeme to our audience, like just go to Techmeme, read it all out.

00:01:56 ◼   ► we have Craig Federighi as a bigger headline and then we have Tim Cook, you know? Like,

00:02:02 ◼   ► we could do like a little chart, you know? This is a fantastic business idea and you're not getting

00:02:12 ◼   ► it, trust me. Yeah, I think we need a bit more blue sky thinkinering in here. Did you say thinkinering?

00:02:20 ◼   ► You're clearly not synergizing your...

00:02:23 ◼   ► Stop talking! I'm gonna put you in the parking lot.

00:02:27 ◼   ► Let's do a follow-up.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Myke is gonna be in a parking lot in a few weeks.

00:02:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna be permanently put in the parking lot.

00:02:37 ◼   ► Yeah, just living in a parking lot.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Follow-up. Let's do follow-up.

00:02:41 ◼   ► Follow-up.

00:02:43 ◼   ► That kind of hurt my throat.

00:02:45 ◼   ► iPad versus Mac.

00:02:48 ◼   ► Factors listeners wrote in questioning.

00:02:50 ◼   ► So we talked a lot about could Federico work just from a Mac or excuse me just from an iPad?

00:02:56 ◼   ► Could I get rid of iOS? You see it was it was subtle but then we called attention to it and now

00:03:03 ◼   ► we're still talking about it. So a couple things I was going to run these by you real quick.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Typing speed and accuracy. So I am terrible on the iPad keyboard both sizes. What about you guys?

00:03:17 ◼   ► I'm definitely faster on the iPhone than I think anything.

00:03:23 ◼   ► But I think everybody knows that I'm accurate on nothing.

00:03:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I think I'm faster on the iPad mini in portrait mode.

00:03:38 ◼   ► Like I'm super fast in that orientation, like surprisingly fast even. I'm faster than the iPhone

00:03:45 ◼   ► on the iPad mini. And now that I'm getting a new iPad, which we're going to talk about in a bit,

00:03:51 ◼   ► I'm kind of afraid that I will lose my ability to be a fast thumb typer, typist.

00:03:58 ◼   ► What's the proper noun for this? Like thumb typist?

00:04:03 ◼   ► Thumb typist. Yeah, thumb typist works, I think.

00:04:06 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah, I'm very fast on the iPad mini. In fact, I'm faster in that, you know, sort of setup

00:04:14 ◼   ► than in landscape mode on the iPad mini because in landscape when I try to use like

00:04:19 ◼   ► two or four fingers I'm slower because you know I cannot cannot type with you know due to the space

00:04:28 ◼   ► between the letters and you know the keys yeah I prefer the iPad mini in portrait mode and I never

00:04:34 ◼   ► use the split keyboard never it's yeah it's it's yeah it's really weird I always like the split

00:04:40 ◼   ► I have to say that landscape typing on the 6+ is just a middle ground of horror.

00:04:49 ◼   ► Wow.

00:04:50 ◼   ► Shut up.

00:04:51 ◼   ► There's no good way to do it.

00:04:56 ◼   ► Trying to type in the middle of your farms is uncomfortable because you kind of can't

00:05:02 ◼   ► really reach that well into the middle so much just to make it comfortable.

00:05:06 ◼   ► and you can't put it onto the table and type with your multiple fingers because the keys are too small.

00:05:12 ◼   ► So I don't, I mean I never typed in landscape anyway and I still don't type in landscape.

00:05:17 ◼   ► So I'm not losing anything but it really isn't that great. If they put a split keyboard on this

00:05:22 ◼   ► and just so I could use two thumbs, that would be awesome. I would be happy with that and that would

00:05:27 ◼   ► work really well for me but I'm just waiting. Just waiting guys. And yes I know there are

00:05:31 ◼   ► scammy, weird keyboards that allow me to do it.

00:05:34 ◼   ► But I'm just not on board with them.

00:05:37 ◼   ► I don't like them and they're weird.

00:05:39 ◼   ► So I will not use them.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Up next, file storage stinks on iOS.

00:05:45 ◼   ► I kind of agree.

00:05:49 ◼   ► I think until iCloud Drive and document providers

00:05:52 ◼   ► kind of become more widespread, like it's really cool.

00:05:55 ◼   ► You can use document providers and iWork now.

00:05:58 ◼   ► Except Dropbox inexplicably just doesn't even nearly work at all.

00:06:05 ◼   ► Well, it's still really new.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I mean, I think that file storage and file management, which I think is what this question

00:06:11 ◼   ► is really about, will improve much.

00:06:17 ◼   ► This is the worst it will be.

00:06:18 ◼   ► It will only get better.

00:06:20 ◼   ► Yeah, because it would be harder to be more problematic than this.

00:06:27 ◼   ► There's Dropbox and a bunch of other document providers that don't really work right now.

00:06:33 ◼   ► Another one is I think Quip is having issues when you try to open documents from other

00:06:39 ◼   ► apps.

00:06:41 ◼   ► I think that in theory iCloud Drive and the fact that you can open documents from other

00:06:48 ◼   ► apps is a great feature, it just needs to be a little more reliable and faster, especially

00:06:57 ◼   ► faster because every time I try to open a document from iCloud Drive, it takes ages

00:07:03 ◼   ► to load for me and, you know, like you said, it can only get better so they need to get

00:07:10 ◼   ► better, faster, like I don't want to wait like four months as we did for iOS 7 last

00:07:19 ◼   ► year so hopefully Apple will be faster this time. I also forgot to make a point

00:07:23 ◼   ► I forgot to make a point about the keyboard, Steven. Okay. Is that I

00:07:29 ◼   ► sometimes actually no I often prefer to write on the iPad mini on the

00:07:37 ◼   ► iPad in general I guess because I feel like I'm more focused on what I'm doing whereas

00:07:43 ◼   ► when I try to write on the Mac, you know, this may sound crazy to you, all these windows

00:07:51 ◼   ► like they bother me at this point because I'm used to open an app, I only see the text,

00:07:59 ◼   ► I can mute notifications easily, I don't see the background, I don't see the desktop, I

00:08:04 ◼   ► don't see the doc I only see you know the document and text and you know I can

00:08:10 ◼   ► just I'm super this sounds like one of those productivity blogs I'm very

00:08:19 ◼   ► productive in that way I mean that kind of goes to the next item we have as well

00:08:28 ◼   ► of multiple apps at once.

00:08:30 ◼   ► In particular, you say that, and for me,

00:08:34 ◼   ► it's really the opposite where I'm,

00:08:37 ◼   ► like if I'm writing an article,

00:08:38 ◼   ► like where you'd use that as our sort of

00:08:40 ◼   ► common ground example, I'm actually much faster on OS X

00:08:44 ◼   ► because I can pull in like 14,

00:08:46 ◼   ► like when I write, I've got 1400 Safari tabs open,

00:08:49 ◼   ► or I've got, you know, a PDF of like

00:08:51 ◼   ► technical documentation or something.

00:08:53 ◼   ► So it's, for me, like the-- - K-Base.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I've just got the KBase saved all out as text files.

00:09:00 ◼   ► It's much like...

00:09:02 ◼   ► I understand the minimalism iPad writing thing, and it is like...

00:09:08 ◼   ► No, don't say like that.

00:09:09 ◼   ► I didn't mean to sound so fancy, you know?

00:09:14 ◼   ► I don't like that attitude.

00:09:16 ◼   ► I like to see one thing at a time.

00:09:19 ◼   ► It's not about minimalism and that sort of lifestyle.

00:09:23 ◼   ► My desk is a mess right now.

00:09:25 ◼   ► I have like a bunch of cups of coffee and I have a sock on my desk because you guys

00:09:31 ◼   ► told me to keep a sock on my microphone when I don't use it.

00:09:36 ◼   ► So there's a sock right now.

00:09:39 ◼   ► Well, that's so people know that.

00:09:41 ◼   ► Nevermind.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Uh, so I mean, so the, the question then becomes like, if we didn't see it last week and we

00:09:49 ◼   ► haven't seen it yet but if like side by side iPad apps or a thing like with that

00:09:54 ◼   ► that would be helpful for me the way that I work would it be like a something

00:10:01 ◼   ► that you would avoid using because it would be distracting? I think it depends

00:10:06 ◼   ► like I'm so used to writing in editorial right now that I and because there's the

00:10:14 ◼   ► browser which is only you know you can swipe in editorial and you switch from

00:10:18 ◼   ► the text editor to the browser. Right now I'm very much used to having that kind of workflow

00:10:24 ◼   ► in the app but you're right that when I use other apps such as Mail and Safari for instance

00:10:31 ◼   ► or maybe it's Evernote and Safari I think I would like the ability to see multiple stuff at the same

00:10:38 ◼   ► time. I only fear that on the other hand it'll add complication to the interface. So right now there's

00:10:48 ◼   ► this idea right that Apple is going to do split view multitasking and based on

00:10:54 ◼   ► a bunch of rumors it is going to be the kind of multitasking where you can

00:10:59 ◼   ► decide the size of the the second app that you show on the screen so there's

00:11:05 ◼   ► like a sidebar mode which is the other app is really narrow by the side of the

00:11:11 ◼   ► screen, there's a larger panel mode, but I'm kind of afraid that it'll be.

00:11:17 ◼   ► Like I don't want my iPad to become a computer in the sense that I

00:11:22 ◼   ► don't want to see windows and stuff.

00:11:24 ◼   ► So I hope that whatever Apple does, it will not be weird.

00:11:29 ◼   ► I hope that if they really do it, I hope that it's simple.

00:11:34 ◼   ► Like, and I hope that it's an option, not something that necessarily always happens.

00:11:41 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:11:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:11:43 ◼   ► - Like you need to do it if you want it.

00:11:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, what about you, Myke?

00:11:47 ◼   ► - I think, kind of to go back to what you were talking about

00:11:52 ◼   ► a bit earlier, Steven, about multiple apps

00:11:55 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:11:56 ◼   ► What I've started to realize is that

00:11:58 ◼   ► as I'm starting to do more business things,

00:12:01 ◼   ► I'm starting to realize how much slower I am

00:12:05 ◼   ► doing things on iOS.

00:12:07 ◼   ► Like anything that requires a spreadsheet

00:12:09 ◼   ► of which I do not lots but I frequently do things in spreadsheets. iOS just can't cope

00:12:16 ◼   ► with stuff like that. It takes so much longer to do everything. Like, everything. And even

00:12:23 ◼   ► like formatting things. Like if I want to take what's in a Google spreadsheet and I

00:12:27 ◼   ► want to copy that and paste it into an email, on the Mac it retains some of the formatting.

00:12:32 ◼   ► iOS it just pastes its text which is not good in any way. Many things I'm

00:12:41 ◼   ► finding recently are harder for me to do on iOS than they are for the Mac or

00:12:45 ◼   ► harder for me to do in a way that I feel gives comparable output quality. I don't

00:12:52 ◼   ► feel this to be the inverse and what I'm finding recently is that I'm kind of

00:12:58 ◼   ► of I've got this like I'll do it later attitude as in I will do it when I get

00:13:02 ◼   ► back to a Mac as opposed to trying to fight iOS into doing this for me. Myke

00:13:08 ◼   ► don't you think that the problem may be Google instead of iOS? No because I've

00:13:13 ◼   ► tried I tried to use numbers the other day and numbers is not good. Like for

00:13:21 ◼   ► example I wanted to take this is a very common thing in a spreadsheet

00:13:27 ◼   ► application, I had a column and I had like ten rows and I wanted to take one

00:13:32 ◼   ► piece of text and copy it across, across, down across all of the rows. In Google

00:13:38 ◼   ► Drive and in Google Sheets for example you get an actual little selector you

00:13:42 ◼   ► can select and pull it down and it was copy it the whole way. Couldn't find a

00:13:45 ◼   ► way to do it on iOS. If there is a way I don't know what the way was. Plus trying

00:13:49 ◼   ► to enter lots of information into a number spreadsheet. It's unpleasant. It's

00:13:53 ◼   ► It's a nightmare on iOS, it's just a nightmare.

00:13:56 ◼   ► It's actually all of that stuff is easier to do on Google Sheets, but just the formatting

00:14:01 ◼   ► doesn't stay very good.

00:14:02 ◼   ► But yeah, then I guess I could maybe copy it into Google.

00:14:06 ◼   ► But that's the thing, right?

00:14:07 ◼   ► For me to get the output that I want, I may have to use like three different applications

00:14:12 ◼   ► to try and get that.

00:14:13 ◼   ► You need a workflow.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree that, you know, text selection and support for rich text are one of the two

00:14:22 ◼   ► big things that I hope Apple fixes next year, especially text selection, because it's so

00:14:28 ◼   ► weird, especially when you, like, there's a bunch of text related issues in various

00:14:34 ◼   ► iOS apps, like when you try to select text and the keyboard comes up and like the text

00:14:40 ◼   ► flickers or maybe you lose the selection or maybe you select some text and you want to

00:14:45 ◼   ► scroll under the keyboard and you cannot scroll because everything gets weird.

00:14:49 ◼   ► I think the problem is that different developers are doing different things

00:14:53 ◼   ► But I also think that you know, the iOS text framework has a few problems

00:14:59 ◼   ► So I hope that next year will get different, you know text selection features

00:15:03 ◼   ► I also wanted to say however

00:15:05 ◼   ► Thanks to you know extensions and new stuff in iOS 8

00:15:11 ◼   ► Um, like the other day I was I was waiting in my car and I wanted to do some you know

00:15:16 ◼   ► I needed to wait like 30 minutes. I was like I should do some some Mac stories work

00:15:22 ◼   ► so at one point I needed to get

00:15:25 ◼   ► The the link for to an image for for a blog post and

00:15:31 ◼   ► I was like, oh no, I cannot do this on the iPad because I

00:15:37 ◼   ► you know, I cannot view the source code of a web page because the the image link was a was a

00:15:44 ◼   ► on a web page on Mac stories. And then I remembered that now there's an extension to do that.

00:15:49 ◼   ► So I used the View Source extension in Safari. I grabbed the image link. Then I used Clips,

00:15:56 ◼   ► the widget to shift. I love Clips. I love it. So good.

00:16:01 ◼   ► I used Clips to archive a couple of snippets. Then I went to my text editor. I pulled everything

00:16:08 ◼   ► back together and yeah that was really nice because sometimes on iOS 8 I get the feeling

00:16:16 ◼   ► like I don't remember the new stuff exists and then I remember and I'm happy, you know?

00:16:22 ◼   ► There's probably a German word for this.

00:16:26 ◼   ► I have found that some of these things on iOS 8 is making working on iOS a lot better.

00:16:33 ◼   ► Like for example, if I wanted to take a tweet and put it into our show notes document, why

00:16:38 ◼   ► What I used to do was, I used to go into Tweetbot, hold, copy the tweet link, go over to the

00:16:44 ◼   ► document, paste it, go back to Tweetbot, copy the text of the tweet, go back in, paste it.

00:16:49 ◼   ► Now I just hold it, I wait for the share sheet to pop up, I click clips, I select title and

00:16:55 ◼   ► URL, I copy the whole thing, write it over, and it's one paste.

00:16:59 ◼   ► And it's so much faster to do, and to have to keep jumping backwards and forwards, backwards

00:17:03 ◼   ► and forwards.

00:17:04 ◼   ► Yeah, really, there are little things like that that are making it a lot easier, but

00:17:09 ◼   ► I agree with you Federico, but half the time I forget to even look for these things.

00:17:15 ◼   ► So it's gonna take time to embed this sort of different way of working.

00:17:20 ◼   ► But when it does work, it's magical.

00:17:24 ◼   ► >> Yeah, I guess next year we'll see extension points in the copy and paste menu.

00:17:31 ◼   ► I mean that makes sense, right?

00:17:33 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:17:34 ◼   ► So what about real computers? Anybody buy a Mac Mini?

00:17:40 ◼   ► Nope.

00:17:42 ◼   ► Are you going to?

00:17:44 ◼   ► I don't know. I need to buy an iPad first.

00:17:48 ◼   ► What about you, Myke? You and I were talking an iMessage of the day. Do you end up ordering anything?

00:17:56 ◼   ► haven't yet but I plan to. I think that a Mac Mini is gonna be a good upgrade for

00:18:07 ◼   ► me going forward because I want to move to something that has an SSD in it

00:18:10 ◼   ► primarily as a key thing for me but I am not 100% sure what route

00:18:22 ◼   ► that I'm gonna go down because you know I've spoken about my weird little things

00:18:25 ◼   ► that I want and don't want, but I think that just an upgraded Mac Mini is going to be the

00:18:32 ◼   ► thing that I will go for next.

00:18:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I'm not looking to buy a new Mac Mini.

00:18:40 ◼   ► Mine is now two years, two or three years old.

00:18:43 ◼   ► It's got SSD in it, it's got a bunch of RAM.

00:18:46 ◼   ► The, you know, there's some stuff floating around.

00:18:50 ◼   ► There's a link in the show notes.

00:18:51 ◼   ► The new Mac Mini is much harder to get into than the old one.

00:18:54 ◼   ► you have to use a suction cup, there's a security screws, the RAM is soldered to the board,

00:18:59 ◼   ► if you do a fusion drive or an SSD it's on the board like the MacBook Air.

00:19:05 ◼   ► It's sort of disappointing, I figured that if they did that sort of stuff the form factor

00:19:11 ◼   ► would change and the form factor didn't change because you can still get a hard drive in

00:19:15 ◼   ► almost, if not all of them.

00:19:17 ◼   ► And so it's still the same size but it's much harder to get in and deal with.

00:19:22 ◼   ► I think that's a real bummer, you know, the RAM being soldered doesn't save them any space

00:19:28 ◼   ► inside, it's still the same size.

00:19:30 ◼   ► Clearly they're doing it to simplify and maybe with an eye towards the future of shrinking

00:19:33 ◼   ► the Mac Mini, but especially that $499 machine, like it's not a great machine, it's a 1.4

00:19:40 ◼   ► gig CPU, not a ton of RAM, slow hard drive which is a major pain to replace on the Mac

00:19:47 ◼   ► Mini now with those security screws.

00:19:50 ◼   ► So it's a little disappointing as someone who likes to tinker with things.

00:19:54 ◼   ► But I understand that I'm a dinosaur and the way the future is sealed machines.

00:20:00 ◼   ► We did have a question.

00:20:02 ◼   ► Someone was like, "Well, what machines can you upgrade RAM in?"

00:20:06 ◼   ► And now it's only the 27-inch iMac, the 27-inch iMac with Retina Display and the Mac Pro.

00:20:12 ◼   ► Everything else has RAM soldered to the board.

00:20:15 ◼   ► And so if you're buying a new machine, save up the extra 200 bucks and max out the RAM

00:20:20 ◼   ► if you want to keep it because you can't you can't circle back a couple years later and increase the amount of

00:20:26 ◼   ► amount of memory

00:20:29 ◼   ► That's my soapbox for the day. I think you're just gonna have to get used to it. I'm afraid buddy. This is the one

00:20:36 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, oh yeah, that's what I say like I understand like this is the way that it is

00:20:39 ◼   ► But you know like a four hundred nine nine Mac Mini only comes with four gigs of RAM is sort of insane like

00:20:45 ◼   ► It's not

00:20:49 ◼   ► It's kind of in line with like 16 gigabyte iPad and iPhones.

00:20:55 ◼   ► Just not a good experience for people who want to buy the base model.

00:20:58 ◼   ► And I get that Apple's trying to push people up the chain and we're going to talk about

00:21:02 ◼   ► that when we get to the iPad.

00:21:05 ◼   ► But it's it's like really like four gigs of RAM and a 500 gig slow hard drive.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Like I understand the Mac the Mac Mini only costs $500 but that's not awesome at all.

00:21:18 ◼   ► Anyways.

00:21:19 ◼   ► piece of follow-up I received my case finally. The blue one? The blue one. I love

00:21:23 ◼   ► it. I love having a big bright blue iPhone. It's just a nice thing to have. I

00:21:30 ◼   ► feel like I have the Lumiophone I always wanted. Oh. Because it's nice and soft to

00:21:36 ◼   ► the touch and it's bright blue and like it's not as grippy as the the Spigen

00:21:45 ◼   ► case that I have previously but it's grippy enough but it just looks really

00:21:50 ◼   ► great and it feels really great and I'm very happy and I have a nice Apple logo on the back

00:21:53 ◼   ► and as I said the Apple logo is embossed in the back of it

00:21:56 ◼   ► uh-huh see I'll be wrong about it I've taken mine out of the case because

00:22:01 ◼   ► Federico told me to live life and I've been living life for a week now and my

00:22:06 ◼   ► phone is still in one piece so we'll see how next week goes

00:22:08 ◼   ► Have you been enjoying your life more, Steven?

00:22:15 ◼   ► I mean, there's a lot of factors that go into answering that question, but I would say sure.

00:22:21 ◼   ► Wow, that's quite big.

00:22:25 ◼   ► I think we need to call Apple because we've got some problems here that we need to address.

00:22:31 ◼   ► Clearly people's lives are improved if they stop selling these cases.

00:22:34 ◼   ► Although I would say that my life has improved since I got my case.

00:22:41 ◼   ► You're looking up. You're on the sunny side of life.

00:22:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:47 ◼   ► Okay.

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00:25:49 ◼   ► So we had a question from listener Josh who kind of wanted to know what services

00:25:58 ◼   ► and apps we were using for email. We addressed this like a year ago on the old show

00:26:03 ◼   ► but I thought it'd be worth revisiting. So I guess I'll go first.

00:26:09 ◼   ► I'm all iCloud for personal stuff with the iOS and OS X mail app. Relay and 512

00:26:16 ◼   ► is those email accounts are hosted at Fastmail, which if you're looking for a mail service,

00:26:23 ◼   ► Fastmail is really great. And the day job is Google Apps, which I use in the Gmail app for iOS

00:26:31 ◼   ► and Mailplane for OS X. So work is separate, I can turn it off on the weekends

00:26:34 ◼   ► and still get all my personal inside email through the built-in app.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I'm still on Rackspace email for all my Mac stories email. We have like

00:26:49 ◼   ► six or seven mailboxes for the team and I'm using Apple mail on OS X. Also mail on the iPad because

00:27:01 ◼   ► I couldn't find a great third-party client for the iPad yet and on the iPhone I'm using the awesome

00:27:09 ◼   ► fantastic, excellent dispatch from the same guys behind clips.

00:27:16 ◼   ► And for personal stuff I'm using iCloud. I still have a legacy Gmail account but I don't use it for

00:27:26 ◼   ► anything. In fact my Gmail account, my Google account is only for authentication with Google

00:27:31 ◼   ► services like Google Analytics and YouTube. I don't use Gmail for anything.

00:27:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm very happy with Rockspace Mail. IMAP can be a little slow, like with search and moving

00:27:49 ◼   ► like a bunch of messages together to another mailbox, but overall it's been very very solid

00:27:58 ◼   ► And I'm especially happy about the new dispatch update for iOS 8, but I guess we talk about this later in the show. Is that the plan?

00:28:08 ◼   ► Is that the plan?

00:28:10 ◼   ► Is there a plan anymore? Who knows?

00:28:13 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:28:13 ◼   ► I think there is a plan. There's always a master plan.

00:28:17 ◼   ► That's right. It's not accidental.

00:28:20 ◼   ► Myke, what about you?

00:28:21 ◼   ► I'm so unhappy with email right now.

00:28:24 ◼   ► [laughs]

00:28:26 ◼   ► I'm just so sad about the apps that I'm using.

00:28:31 ◼   ► I can't find anything that I'm happy with.

00:28:34 ◼   ► I use Apple Mail and iOS because there's no iOS app that I've found that really meets

00:28:40 ◼   ► my needs, except Mailbox.

00:28:42 ◼   ► I loved Mailbox, but I can't use it because we use Fastmail.

00:28:48 ◼   ► So we use IMAP, we need IMAP, and Mailbox doesn't support that.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Dispatch is good, but search is just basically non-existent, or at least it was for me.

00:28:58 ◼   ► It just never worked properly.

00:29:00 ◼   ► But I'm thinking about trying it out again, and I've got it downloaded.

00:29:04 ◼   ► I also downloaded the new Boxer update for iOS.

00:29:08 ◼   ► They just released version 5, and I want to try that out again.

00:29:11 ◼   ► I've seen some praise of it, so I want to give that another go.

00:29:15 ◼   ► Maybe one of them will be able to cure my woes on iOS.

00:29:19 ◼   ► One of my main problems with iOS mail at the moment is the lack of extension support and

00:29:24 ◼   ► stuff, so it's just frustrating me.

00:29:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:27 ◼   ► Because I can't work it out.

00:29:30 ◼   ► And also I want to be able to open my links in Chrome because that's my web browser of

00:29:34 ◼   ► choice on the phone, so I don't get to do that.

00:29:38 ◼   ► But I use a combination of Fastmail, iCloud, and Gmail, different apps, different reasons.

00:29:46 ◼   ► And on the Mac I've been using Air Mail and Air Mail has gotten so bad, so fast.

00:29:53 ◼   ► Oh really?

00:29:55 ◼   ► Air Mail 2 is making me want to cry.

00:30:01 ◼   ► I've never been a fan of Air Mail.

00:30:03 ◼   ► It's clunky and it can be very CPU and memory intensive.

00:30:08 ◼   ► Air Mail 2 is extremely CPU intensive and it's basically, the animations are so slow

00:30:16 ◼   ► and everything kind of works weirdly for me.

00:30:19 ◼   ► - I use MailPlane for Google Apps

00:30:22 ◼   ► 'cause it's like Gmail and a wrapper.

00:30:23 ◼   ► So you get your local contacts and stuff and it's fine.

00:30:26 ◼   ► Everyone I work with uses AirMail

00:30:28 ◼   ► and everyone loves it but me.

00:30:30 ◼   ► - I did love it, but this new version,

00:30:34 ◼   ► I'm not getting on board with.

00:30:35 ◼   ► Feels a little bit rushed.

00:30:38 ◼   ► But I can't use Mail.app for one specific reason.

00:30:45 ◼   ► I just cannot stand that if a message is previewed,

00:30:49 ◼   ► it marks it as red.

00:30:50 ◼   ► Like, I just cannot understand the logic of that,

00:30:53 ◼   ► and I don't know why I'm not able to stop it doing that.

00:30:57 ◼   ► And I can't live like that.

00:31:00 ◼   ► I can't live like that.

00:31:00 ◼   ► It's like I'm living like an animal or something.

00:31:03 ◼   ► Just because of, yeah, I just don't want all my emails

00:31:06 ◼   ► to be marked as red automatically.

00:31:08 ◼   ► I like to action them and then they become marked as red.

00:31:11 ◼   ► Which is the main reason I use airmail.

00:31:13 ◼   ► I was a big sort of defendant of the first ML, ML1,

00:31:18 ◼   ► but ML2, I'm having a bunch of problems with it.

00:31:21 ◼   ► But I think just in general,

00:31:22 ◼   ► I'm having problems with Yosemite,

00:31:24 ◼   ► so maybe Yosemite's the problem.

00:31:25 ◼   ► But yeah, that's what I'm using.

00:31:30 ◼   ► But basically, my story is just a story of woe.

00:31:34 ◼   ► - Maybe Google Inbox can solve your woe.

00:31:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, so this is interesting, right?

00:31:39 ◼   ► This is floated by today.

00:31:42 ◼   ► I don't think it's going to be able to solve it because it's probably going to be Gmail

00:31:45 ◼   ► only.

00:31:46 ◼   ► I'm sure it is because they're doing all the stuff Google now does of like looking in your

00:31:51 ◼   ► email for ticket information and pictures and...

00:31:55 ◼   ► Well Stephen, funny you should say that.

00:31:57 ◼   ► There was some news that came out earlier this week.

00:32:00 ◼   ► There have been some leaked screenshots of the Gmail app for Android allowing you to

00:32:06 ◼   ► sign up with Outlook and Yahoo mail email addresses into the official Gmail app.

00:32:11 ◼   ► what and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case it's in Google's

00:32:15 ◼   ► interest to just have all of your email just flow through Gmail. Oh sure but like

00:32:21 ◼   ► inbox doesn't even work with Google Apps yet which is crazy. Yeah but it's in

00:32:26 ◼   ► beta beta right? Yeah it's invite only beta. But the invite is you send an email

00:32:31 ◼   ► it's so weird like you send an email to it was an inbox at gmail.com and then

00:32:36 ◼   ► emails you back and it's like "yeah okay thanks buddy" it's very strange. It also if

00:32:43 ◼   ► you use it in the browser is Chrome only which is a whole tangent that Google is

00:32:47 ◼   ► actually doing bad things with the internet and splitting up. Go Chrome

00:32:52 ◼   ► forever! God no no why would you ever say that Myke? I love Chrome! I don't I don't

00:33:01 ◼   ► I don't hate Chrome.

00:33:02 ◼   ► It destroys your battery on a laptop.

00:33:04 ◼   ► But the internet should be the same,

00:33:08 ◼   ► regardless of what browser you use.

00:33:10 ◼   ► And Google, when they are splitting Chrome away

00:33:13 ◼   ► from WebKit, it's like Internet Explorer used to be.

00:33:16 ◼   ► You already have to do some things just

00:33:18 ◼   ► for Chrome in development.

00:33:19 ◼   ► And it's only going to become more ridiculous.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Chrome.

00:33:26 ◼   ► In all honesty, I do think that that is dumb.

00:33:29 ◼   ► That is just dumb.

00:33:30 ◼   ► It's bad for the internet.

00:33:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it is.

00:33:33 ◼   ► It's Internet Explorer level of bad.

00:33:35 ◼   ► Yeah, and not because--

00:33:38 ◼   ► Internet Explorer is bad because they're behind the times,

00:33:41 ◼   ► and they still are.

00:33:42 ◼   ► It's crazy pants what you have to build around

00:33:45 ◼   ► for Internet Explorer.

00:33:45 ◼   ► But Chrome is like a super set on top of WebKit now.

00:33:48 ◼   ► And so you're going to have things that you can only

00:33:50 ◼   ► do in Chrome that just don't work in Safari,

00:33:53 ◼   ► or let alone whatever's going on at Firefox and Internet

00:33:56 ◼   ► Explorer.

00:33:58 ◼   ► I totally get optimizing for your own browser that you make.

00:34:03 ◼   ► Like optimize for Chrome.

00:34:05 ◼   ► I think that is more than acceptable.

00:34:07 ◼   ► But don't require it.

00:34:10 ◼   ► That's just a dumb move.

00:34:13 ◼   ► It's just not good.

00:34:14 ◼   ► It's, you know.

00:34:15 ◼   ► Because all the iCloud stuff works better in Safari and all the Google stuff works better

00:34:20 ◼   ► in Chrome.

00:34:21 ◼   ► But you can use them both.

00:34:24 ◼   ► Google Drive was unusable in Safari 6.

00:34:26 ◼   ► It's better in Safari 7 on Yosemite, but it was just unusable and Google didn't care and

00:34:34 ◼   ► apparently Apple probably didn't care or couldn't fix it.

00:34:38 ◼   ► It's like...

00:34:40 ◼   ► It makes me angry.

00:34:42 ◼   ► We should talk about the event.

00:34:46 ◼   ► So what do you want to talk about though?

00:34:48 ◼   ► So while it's just like day of the soapbox.

00:34:54 ◼   ► So a lot of people have been hard on the event for being dull, like Federico said it before

00:34:58 ◼   ► he got started of like, "Oh, we'll just recap."

00:35:00 ◼   ► But like, people have such short memories, like that's what most Apple events are.

00:35:06 ◼   ► Most Apple events are, this is where we've been, like, WWDC keynotes like this.

00:35:11 ◼   ► The first half hour is like, this is how many things we sold, and this is how awesome the

00:35:15 ◼   ► store is, and look at our market share of upgrades, and like, yes, the iPad Air 2 is

00:35:22 ◼   ► exciting, the iMac is exciting, yes the iPad mini is not exciting, the Mac mini is

00:35:27 ◼   ► not exciting except for me, but to say that it's like a dull, boring keynote

00:35:32 ◼   ► like I get it but in context it's I don't think that's a fair assessment and

00:35:37 ◼   ► not like "oh stop picking on Apple" like I don't care about that but I think that

00:35:43 ◼   ► like this is how these events go with Apple and other companies right they

00:35:47 ◼   ► have to lay the groundwork of this is what we're up to and they have to

00:35:51 ◼   ► reshow Yosemite and iOS 8 because not everybody watched the WWDC keynote.

00:35:56 ◼   ► Like that'd be a little boring for us because we've all been running Yosemite forever, but

00:36:01 ◼   ► for the media who's gonna like put these stories out into the world they have to recap this

00:36:06 ◼   ► stuff and I think that's completely fair and I think that like the idea of I was like a

00:36:13 ◼   ► big letdown like I just don't see it.

00:36:17 ◼   ► This is how Apple events normally go.

00:36:19 ◼   ► month obviously was a unique thing. I think in five years we're gonna recut

00:36:24 ◼   ► the Apple Watch event like we've done the iPhone and iPod because it's

00:36:28 ◼   ► gonna be historical. Not every Apple event, most Apple events are not. I think

00:36:34 ◼   ► I was just hoping for more than one iPad and the Retina Mac though. Like that was

00:36:40 ◼   ► kind of what we got. But like they can't deliver like all new things all the time.

00:36:44 ◼   ► Yeah but like you know even to the point... Even the reviews of like the iPad are like oh

00:36:48 ◼   ► "Oh, it's not much better than the iPad Air."

00:36:50 ◼   ► We're like, "A, people don't go from iPad Air to iPad Air 2

00:36:53 ◼   ► unless they're insane or Federico."

00:36:55 ◼   ► And they can't turn over the whole thing every time.

00:37:00 ◼   ► And so it's about what is going to be updated this year.

00:37:04 ◼   ► And there are cycles of these things.

00:37:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, but last week we were talking about

00:37:08 ◼   ► how we would love to see some new software from Apple

00:37:11 ◼   ► or some software enhancements to the iPad.

00:37:13 ◼   ► And we didn't get any of that.

00:37:15 ◼   ► So yeah.

00:37:16 ◼   ► But who put that into your head?

00:37:18 ◼   ► Like Apple never promised that.

00:37:19 ◼   ► Like--

00:37:20 ◼   ► - I put the idea into his head.

00:37:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, better he gets the blame.

00:37:25 ◼   ► Better he gets the blame.

00:37:26 ◼   ► And I mean, I get it.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Like I understand and I too, one of those things,

00:37:30 ◼   ► like I would like, I think multitasking on the iPad

00:37:32 ◼   ► kind of sucks and it'd be really cool

00:37:33 ◼   ► to see some new things there.

00:37:35 ◼   ► I think it's very limiting.

00:37:37 ◼   ► But like, I think at the same time,

00:37:41 ◼   ► like we want to get ahead of where Apple is and like,

00:37:46 ◼   ► Yes, there's like lots of indications in iOS 8 that side-by-side apps are happening, but

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's their timetable, not ours.

00:37:54 ◼   ► Go for it, Teac.

00:37:56 ◼   ► I don't know, I mean, it's really getting ahead of ourselves.

00:37:59 ◼   ► It's been like, what, three years?

00:38:03 ◼   ► Since Apple released a brand new popular app for the iPad that's not like an adaptation

00:38:10 ◼   ► of an iPhone app.

00:38:12 ◼   ► What, I mean like GarageBand iPhoto stuff?

00:38:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I mean it's...

00:38:16 ◼   ► - And then we had all their software titles are on the iPad.

00:38:19 ◼   ► Like what are they gonna announce?

00:38:21 ◼   ► - Make a new software title.

00:38:22 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Oh yeah.

00:38:23 ◼   ► That's exactly what Apple needs to do.

00:38:25 ◼   ► - Or, you know, professional stuff like Logic

00:38:27 ◼   ► or like what's the other one, Final Cut.

00:38:30 ◼   ► I mean, the last type of apps,

00:38:32 ◼   ► like the really new iPad apps

00:38:34 ◼   ► that we've been getting from Apple are,

00:38:37 ◼   ► I think the Apple Store app, Logic Remote

00:38:41 ◼   ► and well, airport utility maybe.

00:38:45 ◼   ► - That's helpful.

00:38:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, if that's exciting for you, I don't know.

00:38:49 ◼   ► I'm just saying now we have this new iPad Air 2

00:38:52 ◼   ► which is really awesome.

00:38:54 ◼   ► It has a faster processor, it's got three cores

00:38:57 ◼   ► and it's got two gigs of RAM

00:39:00 ◼   ► and we can run pages in it,

00:39:03 ◼   ► which is fine if you use pages.

00:39:05 ◼   ► It's just that we have this super special hardware

00:39:09 ◼   ► which is, I think it's probably faster than my MacBook Air.

00:39:12 ◼   ► Only my MacBook Air can run, you know,

00:39:15 ◼   ► a lot of professional software.

00:39:17 ◼   ► My iPad can also run professional software,

00:39:19 ◼   ► but it feels like, like Steve Jobs said,

00:39:23 ◼   ► it feels like baby software in a way.

00:39:26 ◼   ► And it's just that the advancement of Apple software

00:39:29 ◼   ► doesn't match the advancements on the hardware perspective.

00:39:32 ◼   ► And it feels like Apple talks a lot about collaboration

00:39:36 ◼   ► between their teams, but it feels like the hardware team is going faster than the software

00:39:40 ◼   ► team, probably because the software team has been busy, you know, doing redesigns and fixing

00:39:45 ◼   ► bugs.

00:39:46 ◼   ► Still, you know, there's a...

00:39:48 ◼   ► I mean, that's like, that's the counter argument of last week, of like, they're moving too

00:39:51 ◼   ► quickly, they have too many things, annual releases are bad, like, I don't disagree with

00:39:56 ◼   ► you.

00:39:57 ◼   ► Like, I think the iPad is underserved by iOS 8 and iOS 8 apps, like, I think it could do

00:40:03 ◼   ► a lot more and more or less you can do what you could do on an iPad five years ago.

00:40:09 ◼   ► Like I'm on board with that idea totally.

00:40:14 ◼   ► I don't want to portray the thought that I'm not.

00:40:17 ◼   ► I just think that that's like that comes with costs and right now Apple's burning the candle

00:40:24 ◼   ► at both ends on software and so it's just not happening.

00:40:27 ◼   ► It wouldn't be nice to see Apple doing stuff with their new software features on iOS 8.

00:40:35 ◼   ► It would have been nice to see Apple saying, "Hey, we made these extensions for instance,

00:40:40 ◼   ► and now we're doing extensions ourselves."

00:40:43 ◼   ► Instead, they demoed.

00:40:44 ◼   ► They spent 30 minutes doing a demo call with Steven Colbert, and they did all these funny

00:40:51 ◼   ► unfunny skits.

00:40:54 ◼   ► The handshake was pretty funny.

00:40:56 ◼   ► Yeah, that one was pretty nice. So instead, it would have been nice to see another, maybe like

00:41:03 ◼   ► Steve Jobs did. I'm not saying there should be another Steve Jobs, I'm just saying there should

00:41:08 ◼   ► be another kind of iPad event saying there's a story behind the iPad. You can use it for work,

00:41:15 ◼   ► you can use it for entertainment or whatever. And here's the demos, here's the software,

00:41:21 ◼   ► here's how developers can take advantage of it.

00:41:23 ◼   ► And instead they just say it's thinner, it's lighter, and it's got a better camera,

00:41:29 ◼   ► and yeah, that's it.

00:41:31 ◼   ► Now I'm not saying that it's not a great iPad, in fact I cannot wait to get one,

00:41:36 ◼   ► it's just that it doesn't really paint a story for the iPad,

00:41:41 ◼   ► and maybe we need to wait until next year for that, hopefully.

00:41:47 ◼   ► yeah and and kind of in hand with that I think one reason people thought the

00:41:52 ◼   ► event was underwhelming I think is solely at the feet of the iPad mini

00:41:58 ◼   ► you know that the iPad mini 3 is now is the same as the recond iPad mini 2

00:42:03 ◼   ► which is the

00:42:04 ◼   ► iPad mini with Retina display with touch ID

00:42:08 ◼   ► which like I really like touch ID but if I were to buy an iPad mini today

00:42:12 ◼   ► I would go iPad mini 2

00:42:15 ◼   ► almost for sure

00:42:19 ◼   ► uh... and they kept you know people in the chat room are talking about they kept

00:42:22 ◼   ► there's like a a bajillion ipad skews now they kept the

00:42:26 ◼   ► original ipad mini which is functionally the ipad mini or the ipad 2

00:42:31 ◼   ► and they kept the old ipad air around you know so now there's there's five

00:42:35 ◼   ► different models of ipad each with a bunch of different

00:42:38 ◼   ► uh... sizes

00:42:40 ◼   ► and colors and

00:42:43 ◼   ► There's a lot of iPads.

00:42:45 ◼   ► Can you imagine using an original iPad Mini like every day now?

00:42:49 ◼   ► No!

00:42:50 ◼   ► I can tell you it's not funny.

00:42:51 ◼   ► It's not really pleasant at all.

00:42:53 ◼   ► I tried a couple of weeks ago.

00:42:57 ◼   ► I needed to sell that iPad, right?

00:43:01 ◼   ► So I installed iOS 8 and I tried to use it.

00:43:06 ◼   ► Not good.

00:43:07 ◼   ► Yeah, it was kind of terrible.

00:43:10 ◼   ► And like if they keep selling it, do they have to support iOS 9?

00:43:14 ◼   ► I hope not.

00:43:15 ◼   ► I would have been okay if they kept the iPad mini without the Retina display and bumped

00:43:20 ◼   ► it to an A6.

00:43:21 ◼   ► But like the A5 processor just won't die and maybe they only made so many A6 because like

00:43:26 ◼   ► there's no A6 devices anymore.

00:43:31 ◼   ► But it's crazy and like I understand from a business perspective, like Apple is trying

00:43:35 ◼   ► to spread out the pricing where like if you want to spend just a couple hundred bucks

00:43:40 ◼   ► you can get an iPad mini and you can work your way up and they're always tempting you

00:43:44 ◼   ► like hey a little bit more you get a retina display a little bit more you get touch ID

00:43:47 ◼   ► but yeah from a the iPad mini the original still being for sale is it's just crazy you

00:43:55 ◼   ► know last week on ATP they were talking about this and and John Sirk you said made a really

00:43:59 ◼   ► good point of like why can't Apple... Apple could make a $249 iPad that wasn't

00:44:07 ◼   ► three years old but instead they just move them further down the line to make

00:44:10 ◼   ► them cheaper and it's like you know what if what if you did a iPhone 5c style

00:44:16 ◼   ► iPad where it's like yeah it's like an a6 and it's got a plastic shell and like

00:44:20 ◼   ► it's lower cost but no they just they keep the old stuff around and and like

00:44:24 ◼   ► the 16 gigs of RAM or 16 gigs of storage and like the 4 gigs of RAM on the Mac

00:44:30 ◼   ► Mini it's a bad user experience like people are drawn to the cheapest device

00:44:36 ◼   ► and and people who are only going to spend $250 on an iPad Mini are probably

00:44:41 ◼   ► the same type of person who are not going to be like upsold to an iPad Mini

00:44:45 ◼   ► 2 or 3 they're gonna have a bad time because like you said it's bad on iOS 8

00:44:50 ◼   ► the screen is gross. I think it, I think Apple's playing this game of like

00:44:55 ◼   ► wanting to get into the low-end market. I think they're hurting themselves long

00:44:58 ◼   ► term by doing that with a old device.

00:45:02 ◼   ► There seems to be like an element of panic and

00:45:07 ◼   ► desperation are not the right words but they're the only words I can come into

00:45:10 ◼   ► my mind. So like you've got this spread of iPad models, then you've got Tim Cook

00:45:15 ◼   ► on stage saying about how the iPad has sold more in its first five years than

00:45:20 ◼   ► any other product I think. Which is a super weird stat. It's a

00:45:25 ◼   ► fake stat. You've found a statistic. You have found a

00:45:31 ◼   ► statistic that sounds good. Because Apple of five years ago to today is

00:45:38 ◼   ► very different to Apple previously. So any product that Apple releases now

00:45:45 ◼   ► new new category should always sell that quickly. And then you've got like in the

00:45:50 ◼   ► the earnings call, we found out that the Mac had sold more than the iPad in the

00:45:54 ◼   ► last quarter. Which is a weird, weird statistic. Yeah and like we

00:46:00 ◼   ► spoke about last week with like post post PC devices, the Mac is in a sinking

00:46:05 ◼   ► demographic. Like desktop and laptop computers are like that's a fading part

00:46:12 ◼   ► of the market and the fact the Mac beat the iPad despite that is troubling and

00:46:18 ◼   ► like I wrote the other night I think Apple with the 2014 holiday iPad lineup

00:46:25 ◼   ► like I think they're experimenting I think they want to see what which ones

00:46:28 ◼   ► do better because at one end they're trying to raise the average selling

00:46:33 ◼   ► price which I think is why the iPad mini 3 is what it is like okay if you want

00:46:38 ◼   ► the best iPad you get the bigger one that's more expensive but on the other

00:46:41 ◼   ► hand like they're trying to go downstream and do cheaper ones and so I

00:46:46 ◼   ► I don't know what they're doing and the only conclusion I can come to is that they're not

00:46:52 ◼   ► sure exactly quite yet how the iPad looks long term.

00:46:57 ◼   ► Tim Cook even said that on the call, where like, people upgrade these things differently

00:47:00 ◼   ► than iPhones and we're figuring that out.

00:47:04 ◼   ► And so if you're from an iPad 3 or 4, like my wife has the iPad 4, which I apologize

00:47:09 ◼   ► for every time I pick it up.

00:47:11 ◼   ► Really?

00:47:12 ◼   ► Like the iPad 4?

00:47:13 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:47:14 ◼   ► even bought the one of them the mythical iPad 4 it's like legendary yeah it's a

00:47:20 ◼   ► never saw worry it's the iPad 3 with a lightning connector I'm probably gonna

00:47:25 ◼   ► give her my air here pretty soon it's like the iPad 2 is great but year to

00:47:31 ◼   ► year like the iPad 2 is very impressive but as an iPad air owner I'm not tempted

00:47:36 ◼   ► by it I think Apple is just figuring this out and it's weird they're thinking

00:47:41 ◼   ► out loud with this in a way that you don't see Apple do this very often,

00:47:44 ◼   ► where they're like, clearly there's competing ideas.

00:47:46 ◼   ► So we're just going to push it onto the market and like, see what happens.

00:47:49 ◼   ► Not the way Apple works, but I can't get over the fact that I

00:47:52 ◼   ► think that's, what's going on here.

00:47:53 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:54 ◼   ► So, um, I'm going to share my opinion.

00:47:57 ◼   ► It may not be popular with you guys.

00:47:59 ◼   ► Um, but I still, you know, um, I think that the iPad will be fine.

00:48:03 ◼   ► Eventually, because the, the problem that I see, it's that, like you said,

00:48:10 ◼   ► even that Apple's timing has been weird like they prioritized certain features and revisions or you

00:48:18 ◼   ► know multiple versions available on the market that I don't quite understand like why is Touch

00:48:26 ◼   ► ID coming to the iPad only this year or why do we have three iPad minis around or why don't we have

00:48:35 ◼   ► more apps by Apple made for the iPad.

00:48:37 ◼   ► The timing has been weird, but I

00:48:40 ◼   ► honestly believe that the iPad will be fine and

00:48:43 ◼   ► I

00:48:44 ◼   ► I don't tend to believe, you know, what CEOs

00:48:47 ◼   ► say during earnings calls or that kind of statements, you know?

00:48:52 ◼   ► But one Tim Cook said that the iPad is only going through like a speed bump.

00:48:57 ◼   ► Like I think that's pretty accurate.

00:49:03 ◼   ► I mean maybe or it is that the iPad had really explosive growth at the beginning and now

00:49:08 ◼   ► it's settling into what it will always be.

00:49:10 ◼   ► Like I don't think the iPad is ever going to be bigger than the Mac.

00:49:15 ◼   ► Well I don't think it's going to like get worse sales wise.

00:49:19 ◼   ► I think it's going to level off about where the Mac is again because people don't upgrade

00:49:23 ◼   ► these things every year and it's a tablet the tablet market in of itself is just a lot

00:49:28 ◼   ► smaller than smartphones.

00:49:32 ◼   ► So how big is the PC market?

00:49:35 ◼   ► Not shrinking.

00:49:36 ◼   ► I mean the PC market is huge.

00:49:38 ◼   ► Like the PC market is insane.

00:49:41 ◼   ► But the PC market is not like people aren't moving to tablets en masse.

00:49:45 ◼   ► There are people who do, including yourself, but I think that the average user is not trading

00:49:51 ◼   ► out their Dell desktop for an iPad.

00:49:53 ◼   ► Well I think that's the goal for Apple, right?

00:49:56 ◼   ► Sure.

00:49:57 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what they want.

00:49:58 ◼   ► Go after every PC user.

00:49:59 ◼   ► So how do they do that?

00:50:00 ◼   ► That's the question.

00:50:01 ◼   ► That's why I think that the timing for some stuff has been weird.

00:50:04 ◼   ► I think you've got to just put flash on it.

00:50:06 ◼   ► I think that they need to do it, and this is like an impossible thing, they need to

00:50:10 ◼   ► do it by driving the overall price down, but keeping the quality high, which is a relatively

00:50:18 ◼   ► impossible thing to do, but I think that you're only going to see that growth if it's more

00:50:26 ◼   ► attractive to upgrade every year, or every two years.

00:50:30 ◼   ► Because people will hold on to these things, as you say Stephen, for a longer period of time.

00:50:34 ◼   ► Longer than a phone because nobody's subsidizing them.

00:50:37 ◼   ► And you know, nobody wants another contract when you can get iPads on contracts from networks,

00:50:41 ◼   ► but nobody wants that because who wants a second contract?

00:50:44 ◼   ► I think that's the problem.

00:50:47 ◼   ► Federico, I have a question for you. It's kind of unrelated,

00:50:50 ◼   ► but I'm interested to know your take on it.

00:50:52 ◼   ► Do you think that it was a bad idea last year for Apple to put all of that power into the iPad mini?

00:50:59 ◼   ► Why would it be a bad idea?

00:51:03 ◼   ► Because now this year, we're upset that they haven't upgraded the processor.

00:51:07 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:51:09 ◼   ► So do you think that in hindsight, like if they would have just bumped it a little bit,

00:51:13 ◼   ► or then maybe we wouldn't be so frustrated about it this year.

00:51:17 ◼   ► Because last year it was kind of like, why have they put this...

00:51:20 ◼   ► It's the curse of the A6. The A6 just can't exist in an iPad mini.

00:51:24 ◼   ► Oh yeah!

00:51:26 ◼   ► They just skip right over it.

00:51:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I think the question isn't whether Apple should have gone easier with the iPad Mini last year.

00:51:35 ◼   ► The question is why are they doing this with the iPad Mini 3?

00:51:40 ◼   ► I mean, last year they needed to put the Retina display on the iPad Mini, that's for sure.

00:51:46 ◼   ► And they couldn't have gone with the slower processor because that wouldn't have been a problem with the higher-res display.

00:51:53 ◼   ► So they needed to go with the variation of the A7.

00:51:57 ◼   ► The problem is this year, why is it impossible for Apple to do the same strategy as last year

00:52:04 ◼   ► with the iPad Mini 3? So I've been thinking about this, so either it's a political decision,

00:52:10 ◼   ► so we want to push the iPad Air 2 because we believe that the people want the bigger size iPad

00:52:16 ◼   ► and then we're gonna do the iPad Pro and the iPad Mini will slowly die or at least

00:52:20 ◼   ► stay as the underpowered iPad that costs a little less money?

00:52:26 ◼   ► Or the problem is technical.

00:52:28 ◼   ► We cannot put the anti-reflective stuff, we cannot put the new processor into the iPad

00:52:35 ◼   ► mini this year, so we're gonna be weird this year.

00:52:39 ◼   ► And maybe next year we'll fix it.

00:52:41 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:52:42 ◼   ► See, that's the thing, we're doing a show about these problems and we don't know the

00:52:46 ◼   ► real answer, we can only speculate.

00:52:50 ◼   ► I think that last year was amazing for the iPad mini.

00:52:53 ◼   ► Like in retrospective, I think we'll remember the first gen Retina iPad mini as, you know,

00:52:59 ◼   ► fantastic device.

00:53:00 ◼   ► The way that we remember, I don't know, like the iPod was, what was the popular one?

00:53:05 ◼   ► Like the mini, the Nano, what's the name?

00:53:07 ◼   ► We even did a show about this.

00:53:10 ◼   ► You know, I think we'll remember the second gen iPad mini as a breakthrough for Apple.

00:53:19 ◼   ► The iPad mini 3, I want to believe that it will go down in history like the iPad 4, like

00:53:25 ◼   ► it's so weird, like why does it exist?

00:53:30 ◼   ► No I don't think last year was a mistake, Myke.

00:53:32 ◼   ► I think what we're going to see is the process has trickled down now, so next year the mini

00:53:38 ◼   ► will get the A8.

00:53:40 ◼   ► 8X.

00:53:41 ◼   ► And I think that's how it will go on.

00:53:45 ◼   ► I think that there was either a technical thing with the A6 or the Mini required an

00:53:50 ◼   ► A7 to power the Retina display.

00:53:53 ◼   ► And it was kind of like, we need to make a decision, we can't not have the Retina display

00:53:56 ◼   ► so let's level them out.

00:53:59 ◼   ► And then from now it will fall into the iPad Air as the top of the line iPad.

00:54:04 ◼   ► Then there's two different, you know, then there's the iPad Mini and there's two different

00:54:09 ◼   ► models of each or whatever.

00:54:11 ◼   ► And there's some weirdness around the processors too.

00:54:13 ◼   ► The A7 was the same everywhere as far as we know.

00:54:16 ◼   ► The Retina or the iPad 2 has an A8X not the regular A8 that the phones have.

00:54:24 ◼   ► And so, assumably the iPad mini would also need the A8X to handle the display.

00:54:30 ◼   ► And so, is there an issue there with whatever the differences between the A8 and the A8X?

00:54:35 ◼   ► Early testing shows it has a third core.

00:54:37 ◼   ► Was that the issue?

00:54:39 ◼   ► But you know, the iPad Mini 2 and iPad Mini 3 have to have slightly different processors

00:54:48 ◼   ► anyways because they're using Touch ID which has the security stuff that the old iPad didn't.

00:54:54 ◼   ► So was that always there in the iPad Mini?

00:54:56 ◼   ► They just added the Touch ID button or did they rework the iPad Mini 3 in some way that's

00:55:02 ◼   ► minor?

00:55:03 ◼   ► But I think Federico is absolutely right.

00:55:05 ◼   ► really not going to know for a year what's going on.

00:55:11 ◼   ► Is the iPad Mini going to go back to being the little brother or is it going to be that

00:55:16 ◼   ► hey 2014 was kind of weird for reasons we don't ever really know and they'll be back

00:55:21 ◼   ► on track.

00:55:22 ◼   ► Or Apple's experimenting.

00:55:24 ◼   ► The iPad Mini was a huge success.

00:55:27 ◼   ► The average selling price of the iPad dipped the first quarter of the iPad Mini was for

00:55:30 ◼   ► sale.

00:55:31 ◼   ► It's a very popular product.

00:55:34 ◼   ► And so is Apple looking at maybe the reasons it is so popular?

00:55:39 ◼   ► Is it the size?

00:55:40 ◼   ► Is it that it's the same power as the big one?

00:55:41 ◼   ► Or what are those factors?

00:55:43 ◼   ► So I think today we really can't say for sure what's going on until there's a few more dots

00:55:50 ◼   ► on that line.

00:55:53 ◼   ► Let's talk about purchasing.

00:55:54 ◼   ► So I mean I've stuck by how I felt and I'm not even considered a new iPad.

00:56:02 ◼   ► Stephen are you standing by your guns or have you bought an iPad Air yet?

00:56:06 ◼   ► I have not bought anything.

00:56:09 ◼   ► We spoke about this last week.

00:56:10 ◼   ► You know I bought an iPad Air a year ago and it's in my review of the iPad Air that I

00:56:14 ◼   ► bought, I went to the bigger screen because the keyboard was better with the idea that

00:56:18 ◼   ► I would write on the iPad and I honestly don't write on the iPad very much.

00:56:23 ◼   ► It's basically a consumption device for me.

00:56:26 ◼   ► And so I've sort of thought about picking up an iPad Mini 2 just to go smaller again

00:56:33 ◼   ► because I like that form factor, I just hated the keyboard.

00:56:37 ◼   ► But I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:56:38 ◼   ► So I also have an original iPad Mini floating around at the house, I have an iPad 4 that

00:56:43 ◼   ► I need to replace for my wife because it's just like carrying around a bag of sand.

00:56:49 ◼   ► So I don't know, I'll keep you guys posted on what I do.

00:56:53 ◼   ► Federica, what are you doing about your consumption device?

00:56:58 ◼   ► What I'm doing about my creation device is that I'm going with the iPad Air, man.

00:57:06 ◼   ► I mean, I have to, right?

00:57:08 ◼   ► What if Apple does some new software feature just for the iPad Air 2 because it's got more

00:57:13 ◼   ► RAM and because it's got a faster processor?

00:57:15 ◼   ► So you're going back full size?

00:57:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:19 ◼   ► Wow.

00:57:20 ◼   ► You know, I need to go bigger this year.

00:57:23 ◼   ► Go big or go home, teach.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna miss my iPad mini friend, you know.

00:57:28 ◼   ► I'm saying goodbye this week.

00:57:31 ◼   ► You could keep both.

00:57:32 ◼   ► We're having like a ceremony.

00:57:34 ◼   ► No, I don't want to do, you know, how I'm using.

00:57:38 ◼   ► I don't want to pull a Dave Morin, you know.

00:57:42 ◼   ► I just want an iPad.

00:57:43 ◼   ► Yeah, an iPad and an iPad.

00:57:46 ◼   ► No, not really.

00:57:47 ◼   ► You know, that's a lot of money also.

00:57:50 ◼   ► I want to try the latest and greatest features, so to essentially future-proof my iPad experience.

00:57:59 ◼   ► And also because, you know, I've been talking about not using a Mac, like, for real, real

00:58:04 ◼   ► this time.

00:58:05 ◼   ► So, a bigger screen, maybe, you know, I'm growing older, my eyesight is getting worse.

00:58:10 ◼   ► So maybe, you know, I'm becoming, in a way, an Italian, Steven, you know?

00:58:15 ◼   ► I need bigger displays and stuff.

00:58:20 ◼   ► - I actually have an eye appointment next week.

00:58:22 ◼   ► It's sad.

00:58:23 ◼   ► - See, see, see.

00:58:24 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm going with the new Air

00:58:27 ◼   ► because primarily because I want to make sure

00:58:30 ◼   ► that if Apple does, you know, multitasking

00:58:32 ◼   ► is only for the iPad Air 2.

00:58:34 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna happen, but you never know.

00:58:36 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm getting Space Gray 64,

00:58:40 ◼   ► Wi-Fi and 4G.

00:58:42 ◼   ► I'm about to drop my cash to the Apple store.

00:58:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, gold, right?

00:58:48 ◼   ► You're on gold?

00:58:49 ◼   ► - No, no, Space Gray.

00:58:50 ◼   ► - No, not gold.

00:58:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're gonna go gold, right?

00:58:52 ◼   ► Gold 128. - No, no, no, no.

00:58:54 ◼   ► - Gold 128 WiFi, yeah?

00:58:57 ◼   ► - Space gray is definitely the way to go.

00:59:01 ◼   ► - You know, I'm a little skeptical about my choice

00:59:06 ◼   ► for the smart color.

00:59:08 ◼   ► I wanted to go with standard black color.

00:59:11 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:59:12 ◼   ► - I'm thinking about like doing like Myke does,

00:59:15 ◼   ► just picking a random color and going with it.

00:59:18 ◼   ► - No, no colors are random.

00:59:19 ◼   ► they're picked. Go bright. I'm thinking about getting one of the lime green cases.

00:59:24 ◼   ► I was with Myke when he bought his iPad 3. Was it your iPad 3 you bought here in

00:59:30 ◼   ► Memphis? Yeah. And you were guilted into buying the Apple red leather smart cover

00:59:36 ◼   ► by the Apple Store guy. I didn't even want the red one. I wanted like a green one or

00:59:39 ◼   ► a blue one. He was like no this one helps AIDS. There's probably a

00:59:44 ◼   ► a casey-less way to refer to these iPads and covers when you put them together.

00:59:52 ◼   ► Like if you pick a green cover or a yellow cover, is that a lemon-a-pad mini?

00:59:57 ◼   ► Yeah, probably.

01:00:00 ◼   ► Ahhhhhh!

01:00:02 ◼   ► Well, you gotta believe that the guy has multiple nicknames for Apple devices.

01:00:13 ◼   ► World's greatest nicknames.

01:00:14 ◼   ► On that note, let me tell you about my friends at Hover.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Hover is the best way to buy and manage domain names.

01:00:21 ◼   ► It's been my place of choice for so long I couldn't think about going anywhere else to

01:00:27 ◼   ► buy a domain name these days.

01:00:29 ◼   ► If I want a domain name, hover.com is where I go.

01:00:32 ◼   ► When it comes to starting a new project, naming is like the hardest thing.

01:00:36 ◼   ► I've been listening to this new podcast called StartUp and on it they're talking about naming,

01:00:42 ◼   ► how they named their podcast company that they're working on creating. And it reminded

01:00:47 ◼   ► me of when me and Steven were trying to think up names for Relay FM.

01:00:51 ◼   ► It was bad.

01:00:52 ◼   ► I say think up when we were arguing for about two weeks about names. And I had two things

01:00:59 ◼   ► that I would do to check on a name. I would ask Steven if he thought it was a good idea,

01:01:04 ◼   ► and then I would search for it on Hover. Because if you can't get the domain name you want,

01:01:09 ◼   ► then you may as well go back to the drawing board again.

01:01:11 ◼   ► And Hover makes it so easy to check this stuff.

01:01:13 ◼   ► You can go in, type some keywords,

01:01:15 ◼   ► or just type the words that you're looking for.

01:01:17 ◼   ► It's gonna show you all of the TLDs that are available,

01:01:19 ◼   ► and it's gonna make you be able to purchase them

01:01:21 ◼   ► super easy, super quick.

01:01:22 ◼   ► You're not bugged with a thousand screens

01:01:24 ◼   ► to try and get through.

01:01:25 ◼   ► Hey, just wanna make sure, and Hover really do,

01:01:28 ◼   ► like, when I spoke to Hover, they was like,

01:01:29 ◼   ► "Tell people that one of the reasons we do this

01:01:32 ◼   ► is because we know that people come to us

01:01:35 ◼   ► like at the last moment,

01:01:36 ◼   ► So we want to be able to get them out and on their way

01:01:39 ◼   ► and onto their projects as soon as they can be.

01:01:42 ◼   ► And I love that idea.

01:01:44 ◼   ► Hover are like a great supporter of creative stuff.

01:01:47 ◼   ► They're always doing things like pledging to Kickstarters

01:01:49 ◼   ► and things like that.

01:01:50 ◼   ► And obviously they help support podcasts.

01:01:53 ◼   ► 'Cause they know that their place is to help people.

01:01:56 ◼   ► But people are coming to them at the last stage

01:01:58 ◼   ► when they're at their last moment

01:02:00 ◼   ► and they want to get out there and get their website

01:02:02 ◼   ► or their project into the world.

01:02:04 ◼   ► Hover have all of the TLDs you expect.

01:02:06 ◼   ► They have .com, .co, .me, .sexy, .coffee,

01:02:09 ◼   ► you know, all the ones that you expect to see

01:02:11 ◼   ► at a domain registrar these days.

01:02:13 ◼   ► They have great prices, their .coms are $12.99.

01:02:16 ◼   ► They include free Whois privacy.

01:02:18 ◼   ► They believe your private information should stay private.

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01:02:23 ◼   ► to keep your home address off of the internet.

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01:02:32 ◼   ► They have a no-hold, no-wait,

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01:02:36 ◼   ► You'll talk to somebody and you'll talk to that one person

01:02:38 ◼   ► and they will be able to help you with what you need.

01:02:41 ◼   ► But if you prefer to do email stuff,

01:02:43 ◼   ► they have great email support, I've used that a bunch.

01:02:45 ◼   ► They have volume discounts for bulk domain renewals.

01:02:48 ◼   ► If you have like a thousand domain names like I do,

01:02:51 ◼   ► you can just get a better price

01:02:53 ◼   ► by renewing them all at the same time.

01:02:55 ◼   ► They can help you out with email stuff,

01:02:57 ◼   ► like they can help you out with email addresses

01:02:59 ◼   ► and storage and forwarding, so much more.

01:03:02 ◼   ► So go to hover.com and try them out.

01:03:04 ◼   ► I know that you're gonna be satisfied

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01:03:19 ◼   ► So if you use the code oldsteven at checkout,

01:03:22 ◼   ► not only will you be showing your support for Real AFM,

01:03:25 ◼   ► you'll also be showing hover.com that you love us.

01:03:27 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Hover

01:03:29 ◼   ► for sponsoring this episode of Connected.

01:03:31 ◼   ► - That code is excellent.

01:03:34 ◼   ► I didn't know that was the code until just now.

01:03:36 ◼   ► That's pretty good.

01:03:39 ◼   ► So OS 10.10 Yosemite is here.

01:03:44 ◼   ► >>Do we really have to?

01:03:46 ◼   ► >>No, we're not going to do that again.

01:03:47 ◼   ► OS 10 Yosemite is here.

01:03:48 ◼   ► What do you guys think?

01:03:54 ◼   ► What about you, Federico?

01:03:54 ◼   ► Let's start with you.

01:03:57 ◼   ► >>OK.

01:03:57 ◼   ► So yeah, I don't know what to think, honestly.

01:04:02 ◼   ► I mean, the new design is fine, I think.

01:04:05 ◼   ► I don't get, probably because I'm not a designer, you know.

01:04:09 ◼   ► I don't get all the designer criticism

01:04:12 ◼   ► that the OS is getting, like,

01:04:14 ◼   ► oh, this font size is especially wrong.

01:04:17 ◼   ► I don't understand.

01:04:19 ◼   ► Like, the ligatures are all wrong.

01:04:20 ◼   ► I don't get it.

01:04:22 ◼   ► I don't understand.

01:04:23 ◼   ► Like, there's a new font.

01:04:24 ◼   ► Okay, fine.

01:04:25 ◼   ► Honestly, I'm not trolling or anything.

01:04:30 ◼   ► It looks fine.

01:04:32 ◼   ► Some parts look weird, some parts look okay, others are really nice.

01:04:37 ◼   ► Like the new dock is really nice, notification center is really nice.

01:04:42 ◼   ► What else?

01:04:45 ◼   ► The new finder.

01:04:46 ◼   ► I like that you can use the preview pane in any view.

01:04:52 ◼   ► I never used the new mail features for iCloud drop, no, mail drop, I

01:05:01 ◼   ► I think it's called for attachments.

01:05:02 ◼   ► - Someone tried to send me an attachment by that today

01:05:04 ◼   ► and it failed.

01:05:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, I never used that.

01:05:07 ◼   ► What else?

01:05:09 ◼   ► I like widgets.

01:05:11 ◼   ► Is that even a question?

01:05:12 ◼   ► I like widgets, I keep two of them.

01:05:15 ◼   ► No, Steven, the modern era widgets.

01:05:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know if my dashboard is still a thing.

01:05:21 ◼   ► - I like extensions, especially in Safari

01:05:24 ◼   ► because they bring up little sheets

01:05:27 ◼   ► that are consistent with the Twitter and Facebook sheets.

01:05:30 ◼   ► so that's nice.

01:05:31 ◼   ► The Tumblr one is pretty great.

01:05:33 ◼   ► Yeah, I have the

01:05:35 ◼   ► Todoist one and I tried the

01:05:37 ◼   ► Wunderlist

01:05:39 ◼   ► couple of others. That's nice.

01:05:42 ◼   ► iTunes is a mess,

01:05:44 ◼   ► honestly. I don't understand how Apple

01:05:47 ◼   ► manages to make iTunes more difficult every year.

01:05:51 ◼   ► They must have some kind of, you know,

01:05:54 ◼   ► strategy to move stuff around and just make it a puzzle for people.

01:05:59 ◼   ► So that's really not okay with me.

01:06:02 ◼   ► Messages is fine. Still, as all the issues with

01:06:09 ◼   ► doing group chats using your phone address or email address and then you

01:06:13 ◼   ► get split threads. I know that you guys, we've tried

01:06:17 ◼   ► many times to have a group chat without having multiple threads on messages

01:06:22 ◼   ► for the Mac. I've never seen anybody else complain about this other than us.

01:06:27 ◼   ► I don't know if it's a thing or if it's just us. It was a thing with the Mac Stories team also,

01:06:32 ◼   ► so it's probably me at this point. One thing I've done is I've turned off iMessage to my

01:06:39 ◼   ► email addresses. It is only my phone number now because I don't... That's a good idea.

01:06:43 ◼   ► Because my personal email is super easy to guess and not really all that private anymore. And so

01:06:50 ◼   ► my phone number is, and I figure if I'm texting with somebody, like it's fine if they have my phone number.

01:06:54 ◼   ► And that has helped because it, what happens is when I message thread split,

01:07:00 ◼   ► it goes to alternative

01:07:03 ◼   ► contact information for somebody. So say the three of us are all using our phone numbers,

01:07:07 ◼   ► it splits and all of a sudden Myke is texting from his email address.

01:07:10 ◼   ► So I'm not for no apparent reason, and so I'm hoping that cuts it down for me at least,

01:07:15 ◼   ► anything that I'm causing into the world. But um,

01:07:19 ◼   ► Can I finish with the controversial please? Yes. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to jump in please please. I know

01:07:25 ◼   ► It is still OS 10, you know, it's not like a major change

01:07:33 ◼   ► I mean, there's a new the bones are the same. Yeah, there's a new design

01:07:38 ◼   ► there's in you know, the things are a little flatter and

01:07:42 ◼   ► there's a

01:07:45 ◼   ► Transparencies all over the place

01:07:48 ◼   ► But it is still OS X, you know, the buttons are still in the same place mostly

01:07:53 ◼   ► It's just a different style, right?

01:07:55 ◼   ► I don't think that OS X

01:07:59 ◼   ► Like

01:08:03 ◼   ► It's not changed, right? It's still the same operating system

01:08:07 ◼   ► And I think that I don't see how it can fundamentally change at this point

01:08:13 ◼   ► Like OS X is here to stay and there's going to be

01:08:17 ◼   ► different features, but I don't think that Apple is changing how people put files on their desktop.

01:08:24 ◼   ► It is still the same structure and maybe the structure is going to stay.

01:08:29 ◼   ► There's the new stuff with iOS integration with continuity and handoff.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Which is cool when it works.

01:08:37 ◼   ► See, getting phone calls on my Mac, that's really nice.

01:08:43 ◼   ► Getting...

01:08:43 ◼   ► I love it.

01:08:45 ◼   ► Yeah, same. Getting text messages to propagate across every device is really nice, especially

01:08:52 ◼   ► when you use two-factor authentication. You get the verification code on your Mac, which is nice.

01:08:57 ◼   ► Hands-off I don't really get. I get the idea. It is cool, it makes for a cool demo,

01:09:05 ◼   ► but it's just impractical everyday usage. When I'm doing something on my iPhone, I finish it on my

01:09:12 ◼   ► my iPhone. When I'm starting an email on the iPad, I usually finish it on the iPad.

01:09:18 ◼   ► And same with the Mac. If I start a document on the Mac, I don't want to carry that over

01:09:21 ◼   ► to, you know, with the hand of gesture to the phone. Maybe it's just me, but you know,

01:09:28 ◼   ► I get why a lot of people are excited about Yosemite, because they use OS X a lot. So,

01:09:34 ◼   ► to conclude, I'm sorry if this took too long, I guess I'm not excited by it, because I just

01:09:41 ◼   ► don't use it anymore several hours every day.

01:09:49 ◼   ► So I do.

01:09:50 ◼   ► I mean, it's not news, anybody listens.

01:09:53 ◼   ► I consider myself a MacPower user.

01:09:57 ◼   ► Yes.

01:09:58 ◼   ► I think that's a podcast.

01:10:02 ◼   ► Never been on it.

01:10:03 ◼   ► So you guys have.

01:10:04 ◼   ► I haven't yet.

01:10:05 ◼   ► I can't believe you beat me to it.

01:10:08 ◼   ► If you're listening, MacPowerUsers, you are my white whale.

01:10:12 ◼   ► The mic power user.

01:10:13 ◼   ► Oh, God.

01:10:14 ◼   ► You're a mic power user.

01:10:16 ◼   ► That should be a show.

01:10:17 ◼   ► Of course, it already is.

01:10:18 ◼   ► I think it's this show.

01:10:19 ◼   ► I think it's this show.

01:10:22 ◼   ► So I consider myself Mac first.

01:10:24 ◼   ► I consider myself, I think, I'm in the upper tier of Mac users.

01:10:29 ◼   ► And I agree with you completely, Federico, that OS X is still OS X, right?

01:10:33 ◼   ► Things still work the same way, it still feels the same.

01:10:36 ◼   ► If you sat...

01:10:37 ◼   ► This is my test, right?

01:10:38 ◼   ► in front of like 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 could they use Yosemite? The answer of course is yes

01:10:43 ◼   ► like it looks different actually in some ways Yosemite looks much more like OS

01:10:49 ◼   ► or like OS 10.0, 10.1 it's it's the same OS right they've been refining it

01:10:57 ◼   ► they've been polishing it I think Yosemite is a little weird because like

01:11:01 ◼   ► if you draw a if you draw a line through the versions of OS 10 and how they look

01:11:07 ◼   ► look which I did back in April on 512 looking at how aqua has evolved.

01:11:16 ◼   ► Yosemite is a natural evolution for OS X it's just skipped over several middle

01:11:22 ◼   ► steps and they didn't go all iOS 7 on it like it looks like OS X and iOS merged

01:11:30 ◼   ► and combined their UI elements. Well my problem is and what I wrote about in my

01:11:37 ◼   ► UI review is that there are some serious trade-offs in Yosemite with the design

01:11:43 ◼   ► that I think really hurt usability in places. So my favorite thing maybe ever

01:11:49 ◼   ► by favorite I mean least favorite ever is there is a screenshot in my review

01:11:54 ◼   ► about halfway down of mail.app sitting in front of Safari with CNN loaded and

01:12:02 ◼   ► so you get this like crazy red background in the mail app but only in

01:12:11 ◼   ► parts of the mail app because not even all of its translucent the same way it's

01:12:14 ◼   ► like that's translucency and like the idea that content like slides below the

01:12:20 ◼   ► window UI and like you get this really nice vibrancy to see what's back there

01:12:24 ◼   ► that's really nice on iOS and it works on iOS because it's one app at a time

01:12:29 ◼   ► time but the second you have overlapping windows you run into all sorts of weird

01:12:34 ◼   ► issues and the end this male example the the problem is that all of a sudden

01:12:40 ◼   ► parts of my UI are bright red and bright red seems bad and it's only because like

01:12:46 ◼   ► the because of the background you know Craig Federica got on stage and said

01:12:52 ◼   ► look like with Yosemite like your desktop wallpaper gives your computer

01:12:56 ◼   ► personality right so I use a very dark wallpaper on my Mac and so like my finder

01:13:03 ◼   ► windows are darker and my doc is darker and like but if I make it like

01:13:08 ◼   ► you know some crazy rainbow color then my computer feels more vibrant and

01:13:13 ◼   ► bright and happy and like that's that's great but it doesn't work because it

01:13:19 ◼   ► leads to all sorts of readability and legibility issues it leads to all sorts

01:13:23 ◼   ► like these weird edge cases.

01:13:26 ◼   ► So if you have multiple windows open,

01:13:28 ◼   ► say you have multiple Finder windows open,

01:13:29 ◼   ► only the foremost one picks up the translucent sidebar,

01:13:34 ◼   ► and the ones in the background, the inactive windows, don't.

01:13:36 ◼   ► And I think that's fine.

01:13:38 ◼   ► It's easier to tell in some ways what an active window is.

01:13:41 ◼   ► But most of the time, your active window

01:13:43 ◼   ► is on top of other ones.

01:13:44 ◼   ► So the desktop doesn't even come through clearly.

01:13:47 ◼   ► It's a great idea.

01:13:48 ◼   ► It's just an execution.

01:13:49 ◼   ► there's lots of problems with this UI that clearly Apple's okay with. Like dark

01:13:55 ◼   ► mode is just broken in places like I've got screenshots of running the final GM

01:14:02 ◼   ► which is only like which is basically the final build and like the dark menus

01:14:08 ◼   ► look really cool but then they're just broken in places and sometimes they're

01:14:13 ◼   ► more translucent than other times like the vibrancy is weird in dark mode it's

01:14:17 ◼   ► just it doesn't feel as complete and as polished as I would expect it to at this point.

01:14:22 ◼   ► So I don't have an awful lot more to say except I'm just having some

01:14:27 ◼   ► weird things happen. Like I've had to turn off transparency because for some

01:14:32 ◼   ► reason like I'm just having terrible performance issues with mission control

01:14:37 ◼   ► spaces and expose. Trying to move from space to space right now is like a

01:14:42 ◼   ► multiple swipe gesture because like it goes like halfway and then I have to

01:14:46 ◼   ► keep swiping for it to go the whole way. I don't really know what's going on.

01:14:51 ◼   ► Yeah you sent me that video and like my first thing was like well show me what

01:14:55 ◼   ► activity monitors doing like is something eating up 400% of your CPU and

01:14:59 ◼   ► it wasn't everything was idling and you and I have the same computer like the

01:15:04 ◼   ► exact same machine. So maybe I need to check the k-base reset the PRAM. You

01:15:10 ◼   ► probably should reset the PRAM. We also haven't even made fun of the finder I

01:15:16 ◼   ► icon yet. I like it. I like it. Did you see I linked to it. He's so happy in the dark. I love him in

01:15:23 ◼   ► Italy, he's like smiling at me. He's like "hey Myke you doing a good job buddy". Did you see the

01:15:28 ◼   ► Easter egg in the review? A friend of mine made the finder icon into Walter White. It's pretty

01:15:34 ◼   ► awesome. Why? Well because it looks... Meth'd out was the adjective I used. I was gonna say mellow

01:15:41 ◼   ► but sure we can go with that.

01:15:43 ◼   ► - Messed out, I'm really good at adjectives.

01:15:47 ◼   ► My parents are very proud.

01:15:49 ◼   ► So all in all Yosemite's a great update to OS X

01:15:53 ◼   ► and in hindsight it's crazy that iOS and OS X

01:15:56 ◼   ► weren't better siblings until now.

01:15:58 ◼   ► And yes there's weirdness, like you have to have a Mac

01:16:02 ◼   ► that does Bluetooth low energy and sometimes my Mac thinks

01:16:05 ◼   ► I can open a pages document from my iPad

01:16:08 ◼   ► that's in a different building.

01:16:10 ◼   ► There's weirdness to it, but I think those sort of issues will get ironed out.

01:16:15 ◼   ► I think that it's great that you can move more seamlessly between your, especially for

01:16:19 ◼   ► me, my iPhone and my Mac, but I'm just not sold on some of the visual changes.

01:16:27 ◼   ► For me, thankfully it's easy.

01:16:28 ◼   ► I just turned off transparency and my Mac looks sane again, but I think it's just one

01:16:34 ◼   ► of those things that maybe they went a little too far.

01:16:36 ◼   ► said that about iOS 7 but then iOS 8 didn't really bring any of that back so

01:16:42 ◼   ► I'm not holding out that this is going to be better in the future but at least

01:16:46 ◼   ► you can you can make some changes in system preferences to make it a little

01:16:50 ◼   ► more sane. One other thing that I just found frustrating is the messages app

01:16:54 ◼   ► window is bigger and I can't make it back to the size it was before. Sometimes

01:17:00 ◼   ► messages app will follow your mouse around so you tab away from it and click

01:17:04 ◼   ► in a Safari and the messages window will follow you and be behind where your

01:17:08 ◼   ► cursor is. Hey buddy don't forget about your friends in here. No you gotta text

01:17:11 ◼   ► people like that one's fun and my favorite Yosemite bug is that sometimes

01:17:19 ◼   ► you'll tab away from finder but finder will still be in the like finder will be

01:17:23 ◼   ► in the background like instead of finder in the upper left-hand window you see

01:17:26 ◼   ► Safari but then you click in Safari and the finder window comes back to the

01:17:30 ◼   ► front it's like no I put you back there you're not the foreground app but it's

01:17:35 ◼   ► like finder is really self-important now and he's methed out so he's just there

01:17:39 ◼   ► all the time finder messages are working together yeah they want you to send some

01:17:44 ◼   ► files to friends Walt and Jesse so I don't know like it's fine I guess the

01:17:51 ◼   ► features are nice I'm just and I don't think this is not me being grumpy right

01:17:59 ◼   ► this is like there are usability problems with Yosemite. I think if I

01:18:05 ◼   ► weren't, if I was not, sorry, having this issue that I'm having with

01:18:13 ◼   ► mission control I would be very happy on the whole. I think it looks fine. I like

01:18:19 ◼   ► how good it makes my retina Mac look. I actually quite like the change to

01:18:25 ◼   ► Helvetica because it's so good on the Retina Mac, like it just looks so good.

01:18:30 ◼   ► So once I get that, I think that I don't know if I... so it's interesting thing,

01:18:36 ◼   ► okay, I have this problem more often when I use the trackpad than when I use my

01:18:41 ◼   ► Magic Mouse. On my Magic Mouse the spaces go fine. I can't conflict between them fine,

01:18:49 ◼   ► but on my trackpad that's when I start to see the hang-ups.

01:18:54 ◼   ► So...

01:18:55 ◼   ► It's weird.

01:18:56 ◼   ► You should definitely do some P-Ray, Safe Boot, maintenance type stuff.

01:19:01 ◼   ► Mail it to me, I can do it.

01:19:04 ◼   ► That seems like a...

01:19:06 ◼   ► No, I don't want to do that.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Connected.

01:19:12 ◼   ► If you'd like to find the show notes for this week's episode.

01:19:14 ◼   ► Federico, where can they go?

01:19:16 ◼   ► Or they can go to relay.fm/connected/1o

01:19:21 ◼   ► Excellent work buddy.

01:19:23 ◼   ► If you'd like to find us online, here's some places you can do that.

01:19:26 ◼   ► You can go to 512pixels.net to find Steven, he is also @ismh.

01:19:32 ◼   ► For Federico, you can go to maxstories.net, he is @fitichi, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.

01:19:37 ◼   ► And me and Federico host another show on this fine network called "Virtual", it's about video games.

01:19:43 ◼   ► And if you've never heard virtual before, you should take a listen to last week's episode, episode 9, where we spoke about gamergate.

01:19:50 ◼   ► Yeah, I meant to say that at the top of the show. I just wrapped that episode up yesterday.

01:19:56 ◼   ► And like you guys did an excellent job explaining like the background of it and

01:20:02 ◼   ► Could not be prouder of the two of you for calling out the just the complete

01:20:11 ◼   ► Insanity that's going on around that that topic people are terrible. Yep. So good job

01:20:18 ◼   ► Basically Federico did a really good job of explaining it. I know I just shouted

01:20:24 ◼   ► effectively what happened. If you want to hear that you should go it's a

01:20:28 ◼   ► virtual episode 9. I am @imike. You can find me on Real AFM which is

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