Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► It is the 8th of October 2014.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Welcome back to Connected. This is episode 8.

00:00:14 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Mr. Stephen Hackett.

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00:00:29 ◼   ► Simplified Domain Management.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Hello, Steven.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Hello, Michael.

00:00:34 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:35 ◼   ► I'm pretty good. How are you?

00:00:37 ◼   ► I am very well. Steven Hackett, where is Federico Vatici?

00:00:40 ◼   ► What have you done with him?

00:00:42 ◼   ► He is away today.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Is that the best you've got for me?

00:00:47 ◼   ► It's not any of my business to share his business for him.

00:00:51 ◼   ► No, Federico just had something come up, so...

00:00:54 ◼   ► He's not dead.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Why does it always go to death with you?

00:00:57 ◼   ► Follow up. Wow, we're jumping right in.

00:01:03 ◼   ► You know, it's enough. If Federico's here, there's just no fun, so we may as well just

00:01:07 ◼   ► go straight to business. I'm all about getting straight to business,

00:01:11 ◼   ► Myke. Okay.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Federico is a monster and may people use the Twitter app is the exact quote in our show

00:01:17 ◼   ► notes. It's pretty true. I mean, even he said today

00:01:22 ◼   ► that all week he's been getting tweets, which I've seen some of,

00:01:26 ◼   ► of people trying out the official Twitter app because of our episode last week.

00:01:31 ◼   ► Yeah, as did I. I tried it again and then I was sad again.

00:01:34 ◼   ► So I think the moral of the story is that the Twitter app is bad

00:01:39 ◼   ► and Federico should feel bad for telling people to use it.

00:01:43 ◼   ► I use the official Twitter app when I want to just check something but don't

00:01:47 ◼   ► want to ruin my tweetbot preservation state.

00:01:51 ◼   ► What does that mean?

00:01:52 ◼   ► So everybody in the world knows that I get notifications and such and such like.

00:01:57 ◼   ► Sometimes I want to reply to a tweet that I've just seen come in.

00:02:02 ◼   ► But if I go into Tweetbot and scroll to that tweet,

00:02:07 ◼   ► then it's going to ruin everything.

00:02:09 ◼   ► So I go to the Twitter app and reply.

00:02:12 ◼   ► Like today, for example, where I'm not kidding,

00:02:17 ◼   ► I had maybe five or six hundred @mentions.

00:02:22 ◼   ► Insane day.

00:02:25 ◼   ► Thank you everyone.

00:02:26 ◼   ► There was a couple that I saw

00:02:29 ◼   ► that I wanted to reply to quickly.

00:02:31 ◼   ► So I saw those come in via notification

00:02:34 ◼   ► when my phone was not melting.

00:02:37 ◼   ► And I just went into the fshoater app and did it.

00:02:42 ◼   ► - That is insane.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Wait, why was today a big day for you?

00:02:47 ◼   ► I just understand why I started getting lots of notifications

00:02:50 ◼   ► on my Mac.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Because Steven in the chat room has told everybody

00:02:54 ◼   ► to follow and unfollow me.

00:02:57 ◼   ► So if you're listening to the show now, not live,

00:02:59 ◼   ► please unfollow and refollow iMyke, I-M-Y-K-E.

00:03:04 ◼   ► I still do that to Matt Alexander sometimes,

00:03:05 ◼   ► when I know he's looking at Twitter just to poke at him.

00:03:09 ◼   ► It's fun.

00:03:10 ◼   ► So what did you do today?

00:03:11 ◼   ► We should talk about this, because you and I

00:03:14 ◼   ► co-founded Relay. Yep, and I quit Relay. Wait, that's not what we agreed on.

00:03:20 ◼   ► Ah, no. So if people don't know, you have quit your jobby job. Mm-hmm. Today I quit my job.

00:03:29 ◼   ► And there is a whole big story, but this isn't the show for those sort of stories.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Oh, I have a show about feelings. I do, it's called Analog, and on the episode

00:03:39 ◼   ► that we record tomorrow, which we will record live, if you check the schedule,

00:03:43 ◼   ► if it's still Thursday for you.

00:03:45 ◼   ► Otherwise it will be out on Sunday.

00:03:47 ◼   ► And I just want to go through and talk through

00:03:50 ◼   ► the whole sort of process yesterday

00:03:52 ◼   ► that led me to make that decision.

00:03:54 ◼   ► There's an interesting story about shoes.

00:03:57 ◼   ► - Well I'm excited for you.

00:04:01 ◼   ► - I'm--

00:04:02 ◼   ► - I know you've wanted to do it for a long time.

00:04:04 ◼   ► - Five years.

00:04:04 ◼   ► I'm terrified and I'm super excited

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00:04:34 ◼   ► - So that's all Relay is.

00:04:38 ◼   ► So back to Twitter and Tweetbot.

00:04:40 ◼   ► @duncanmusic on twitter @duncanmusic sent a couple tweets in and one of them talks about

00:04:51 ◼   ► timeline sync which we really didn't touch on but if you use Twitterrific on iOS and

00:04:55 ◼   ► the Mac or Tweetbot on iOS and the Mac your tweets all sort of when things work line up

00:05:01 ◼   ► where you know like you said you don't want to mess that up I met a tweet from two hours

00:05:06 ◼   ► ago and I open tweetbot on my Mac the scroll positions will be the same more

00:05:10 ◼   ► or less and apparently the regular Twitter app doesn't do that which is sad

00:05:16 ◼   ► and so that is a that's the thing that happens yeah I mean I love the iCloud

00:05:22 ◼   ► syncing on tweetbot I've used tweet marker on Twitter if it can on tweetbot

00:05:28 ◼   ► But the iCloud one is super, super good.

00:05:31 ◼   ► Yeah, big fan of it.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Me too.

00:05:36 ◼   ► As someone who I go back and forth between devices

00:05:44 ◼   ► a lot during the day, that's a really important feature to me,

00:05:48 ◼   ► I think to a lot of people.

00:05:50 ◼   ► But then Duncan Music tweeted something that cannot be

00:05:53 ◼   ► unseen where there was a suggested tweet that I wouldn't I guess the image is

00:06:01 ◼   ► probably not safe for work depending on where you work but definitely not

00:06:05 ◼   ► something that I would want to ever look at on my computer.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Suggested tweet oh my word what is happening here why would you it's

00:06:18 ◼   ► It's basically a gentleman, not...

00:06:20 ◼   ► Called Nick Jonas from the Jonas Brothers.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Brothers of Jonas.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Basically almost naked.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Mhm.

00:06:28 ◼   ► So if that's what you desire, then it's in the show notes for you.

00:06:34 ◼   ► Where can people find the show notes, Steven?

00:06:37 ◼   ► Relay dot f m slash connected slash eight.

00:06:46 ◼   ► I could basically now take that and just drop that into every episode because you cut it

00:06:50 ◼   ► up enough that I could just...

00:06:52 ◼   ► I don't know really why I did that.

00:06:54 ◼   ► But it was good though, I mean it provided me with something useful for the future.

00:06:58 ◼   ► So if you are ever not on a show now, I could just have you drop in to do the show notes

00:07:04 ◼   ► link instead.

00:07:05 ◼   ► I would like to always think that I'm always here in spirit when I'm absent like I was

00:07:11 ◼   ► two weeks ago.

00:07:12 ◼   ► But this would make me present physically.

00:07:15 ◼   ► But you will have to provide me with a selection of numbers.

00:07:19 ◼   ► So like 1 to 10 and then 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70.

00:07:23 ◼   ► And you can slice them together?

00:07:24 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:07:25 ◼   ► I don't mean to tell you how to do your job, but that seems like a lot of work.

00:07:29 ◼   ► Nah.

00:07:30 ◼   ► I mean...

00:07:31 ◼   ► Totally worth it?

00:07:32 ◼   ► Totally worth it.

00:07:33 ◼   ► I mean, episode one of this show, that was a lot of work.

00:07:37 ◼   ► I'm sure Federico could create a Python script that would just drop the numbers in anyway.

00:07:41 ◼   ► Python's dead.

00:07:42 ◼   ► Well, extensions are built.

00:07:43 ◼   ► Well, extensions, I'm alright.

00:07:48 ◼   ► You have to build that in AppleScript to be a gentleman.

00:07:52 ◼   ► AppleScript. They're talking about clowns in the chat room which is

00:07:55 ◼   ► gotten... Don't read it. Close it. Go away. But they're talking.

00:07:59 ◼   ► And someone thinks that... I don't know. Anyways,

00:08:02 ◼   ► more Twitter tweetbot follow-up.

00:08:06 ◼   ► Matthew Cassanellini?

00:08:11 ◼   ► How would you say that?

00:08:13 ◼   ► - I would say...

00:08:15 ◼   ► - Casanelli.

00:08:16 ◼   ► - Casanelli, yeah.

00:08:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, if Federico was here, he could say it.

00:08:20 ◼   ► Seems Italian.

00:08:21 ◼   ► Do you think that Twitter contacted Tweetbot

00:08:25 ◼   ► and told them to hold off for Fabric?

00:08:27 ◼   ► Just a thought.

00:08:28 ◼   ► The thought did cross my mind,

00:08:30 ◼   ► but I really don't think that, A,

00:08:33 ◼   ► Twitter is really in the business of sharing things

00:08:36 ◼   ► with third-party clients like this.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Fabric of course being their rumored API, you know, change coming in the future.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Hold up, what?

00:08:47 ◼   ► iPad version?

00:08:50 ◼   ► The iPad version still exists and they just updated the iPhone version.

00:08:54 ◼   ► And also, I mean, this Fabric thing is rumored like in the last couple of months.

00:08:59 ◼   ► Tweetbot for iPad has not been here for a very, very long time.

00:09:02 ◼   ► And from, I mean, I've been kind of, I've been thinking about that Tapbots post.

00:09:07 ◼   ► And I reread it earlier today and kind of,

00:09:12 ◼   ► for whatever reason, it didn't sync in properly

00:09:14 ◼   ► that they mentioned that they're bringing back

00:09:15 ◼   ► a couple of new apps and they seem to be cross platform.

00:09:18 ◼   ► So they may have literally just said like,

00:09:20 ◼   ► we're gonna work on something

00:09:21 ◼   ► that makes more sense to us right now.

00:09:23 ◼   ► But.

00:09:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I mean, it's an interesting idea for Matthew,

00:09:26 ◼   ► but I don't think that's what's going on here.

00:09:29 ◼   ► - I don't think that Twitter care enough about Tweetbot.

00:09:33 ◼   ► - No.

00:09:34 ◼   ► - Like they would, Tweetbot would just have to get in line.

00:09:37 ◼   ► up you know they're not gonna be like oh please wait

00:09:40 ◼   ► just be like fabrics here now so deal with it

00:09:43 ◼   ► like they're not gonna be like oh please don't update wait

00:09:47 ◼   ► they'll just let tapbots go ahead and do whatever it wants

00:09:51 ◼   ► and then they'll say well now you have to use this instead so good luck

00:09:55 ◼   ► I think that's definitely how it goes down

00:09:59 ◼   ► because Twitter I mean it's just it's not important to them right like if it was

00:10:02 ◼   ► they would be more helpful

00:10:07 ◼   ► you know, like the multiple image thing, you know,

00:10:09 ◼   ► it was late to third parties.

00:10:10 ◼   ► And a lot of that is that third parties

00:10:11 ◼   ► have to take time to implement it.

00:10:13 ◼   ► But a lot of cases, there are things that the Twitter apps

00:10:15 ◼   ► can do that third party apps just can't do

00:10:17 ◼   ► because the API calls are different.

00:10:19 ◼   ► - Well, all of us on Tweetbot, we are costing money.

00:10:23 ◼   ► We make no money for Twitter.

00:10:26 ◼   ► We make them no money.

00:10:27 ◼   ► It's true, right?

00:10:29 ◼   ► That we don't see any of the ads.

00:10:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:10:32 ◼   ► No, I was just kind of laughing the way you said it.

00:10:33 ◼   ► - We're just a cost.

00:10:35 ◼   ► So like if this fabric thing is because it's ads are gonna be needed to be there, then

00:10:40 ◼   ► such is life.

00:10:41 ◼   ► Like they'll just say, okay, this is here.

00:10:44 ◼   ► You have to start showing promoted tweets or you'll be killed.

00:10:49 ◼   ► Like not like, you know, like in life way, just your API use will be killed.

00:10:57 ◼   ► So speaking about apps that kill people, the health app.

00:11:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:02 ◼   ► It's still a thing, I guess.

00:11:05 ◼   ► I don't know it's still in a folder for me I'm not really using it. Are you really

00:11:08 ◼   ► using it? No. So listener Derek wrote in so we kind of talked about Federico spoke

00:11:18 ◼   ► about especially... Federico made a very bold claim. That it was as bad as maps

00:11:24 ◼   ► right? I think he said it was worse than maps. Yeah and so Derek disagreed and if I

00:11:29 ◼   ► had been

00:11:31 ◼   ► I agree with Derek and I wish I thought of this on the show.

00:11:34 ◼   ► So Derek says iPhone maps were a feature that existed for five years and was something that

00:11:40 ◼   ► people come to depend on and what Apple replaced it with was unusable for some people and Google

00:11:47 ◼   ► Maps wasn't you know didn't have the same footing as Apple Maps and Health.app is a

00:11:51 ◼   ► feature that did not even exist until 17th of September and no one has had a chance to

00:11:57 ◼   ► come on to come to depend on it yet.

00:12:00 ◼   ► I don't see how they're equitable.

00:12:01 ◼   ► I don't agree with Derek and I agree more with Federico.

00:12:04 ◼   ► I don't think, and I'm going to speak for Federico Vittucci because I can do that,

00:12:08 ◼   ► I don't think that he was saying that they're comparable maps and health

00:12:15 ◼   ► because of the fact that people depended on it.

00:12:18 ◼   ► It's not about like a dependency, it's not about people necessarily depending on the data.

00:12:22 ◼   ► It's the fact that this is data you do not mess around with.

00:12:25 ◼   ► Right.

00:12:26 ◼   ► If you have health data, it doesn't start to disappear.

00:12:31 ◼   ► It doesn't start to go wrong.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Like if you delete an app from your iPhone and then that data leaves the health app

00:12:37 ◼   ► like that is messing around with data in a way that is not logical.

00:12:41 ◼   ► It doesn't make sense and Apple shouldn't be touching.

00:12:44 ◼   ► And the other thing is like if you didn't like the iPhone maps,

00:12:48 ◼   ► you just downloaded the Google Maps app.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Like you just downloaded the app there and there were alternatives.

00:12:54 ◼   ► There are mapping alternatives or you could go to like the map app.

00:12:57 ◼   ► But this stuff that goes into health,

00:13:00 ◼   ► it's all meant to like play together and show you this thing. You can't download another app from the app store

00:13:04 ◼   ► that pulls in all of the information that you have from all these other places and pulls them into one view.

00:13:09 ◼   ► But it's more about the fact that like

00:13:11 ◼   ► don't

00:13:14 ◼   ► don't

00:13:15 ◼   ► mess around with that data. That data should be untouched by Apple and things should not be going wrong with it.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I don't think Apple's touching it, but I definitely agree that

00:13:26 ◼   ► if this thing is going to work it's got to work perfectly and it definitely is not right now.

00:13:31 ◼   ► I tried just the other day to do Strava the bike cycling app I use has some authentication

00:13:39 ◼   ► cross-tie stuff and it like straight up just doesn't work like you hit the button

00:13:43 ◼   ► and you get bumped to the health app and then just sits there it's like let me try that again

00:13:48 ◼   ► and it just sits there it's it's really shoddy we're going to talk a little bit about iOS

00:13:54 ◼   ► aid and some issues around that but I think the health app's got to be

00:13:57 ◼   ► Apple's got to get that right, you know, it's in 8.1 the betas there's some notes about it

00:14:03 ◼   ► I think we spoke about but it's really ridiculous

00:14:07 ◼   ► That it's in the state that it's in

00:14:10 ◼   ► I think yep next piece of follow-up is about you being a liar and needing a workflow to tell the truth

00:14:18 ◼   ► Do you just want to read this?

00:14:22 ◼   ► Well, I mean, this isn't even about this show though.

00:14:25 ◼   ► Oh, I did mention it on this show, didn't I?

00:14:28 ◼   ► I think.

00:14:29 ◼   ► About the fact that I sent 10,000 emoji balloons

00:14:34 ◼   ► to Casey Liss.

00:14:35 ◼   ► - When he, yeah.

00:14:38 ◼   ► - I actually don't think we even spoke about it

00:14:39 ◼   ► on this show, but.

00:14:40 ◼   ► - I don't know, life is blurry.

00:14:42 ◼   ► - This is follow up for analog now.

00:14:44 ◼   ► For anybody that does listen to that show,

00:14:46 ◼   ► or doesn't, I said that I sent 10,000 emoji balloons

00:14:50 ◼   ► to Casey.

00:14:51 ◼   ► I've been talking about it actually in the essence of saying how useful the iPhone 6 plus keyboard is

00:14:55 ◼   ► Who knows? I

00:14:58 ◼   ► Mostakenly said I took ten balloons copied and pasted in ten times copied and pasted in ten times, etc, etc

00:15:03 ◼   ► Brendan told me that I would then have thirteen thousand thirteen hundred and ten

00:15:08 ◼   ► Balloons and was very upset at me when what I should have said which is what I actually did was I copied and pasted them

00:15:15 ◼   ► nine times

00:15:16 ◼   ► So it gave me the addition to get to ten thousand. I'm sorry Brendan. I'm sorry everyone

00:15:21 ◼   ► You're not a math professor.

00:15:24 ◼   ► Not a professor at all.

00:15:27 ◼   ► You could be.

00:15:28 ◼   ► Professor of life.

00:15:30 ◼   ► Professor of life.

00:15:33 ◼   ► More follow up, you put this in, what's the deal with this Blink keyboard?

00:15:36 ◼   ► So Simon SC on Twitter contacted me about this app called the Blink keyboard, it's a

00:15:44 ◼   ► have a third-party keyboard for the iPhone that does some interesting things in placement of keys.

00:15:52 ◼   ► So this is very, in theory, like on the face of it, is very useful for a 6+ owner because it has

00:15:59 ◼   ► two interesting parts. It does a split keyboard which I wanted and it also does a one-handed

00:16:05 ◼   ► keyboard where it kind of like squidges the keyboard into the bottom right.

00:16:13 ◼   ► which is... squidges! I'm going with squidges.

00:16:16 ◼   ► I can't think... what else would you say?

00:16:18 ◼   ► Squishes! I like squidges though, I'm gonna go with squidges.

00:16:22 ◼   ► It also has some cool emoji shortcuts where you can like hold down on the numbers

00:16:27 ◼   ► and then it pops up a row of emoji and you can select from them.

00:16:32 ◼   ► So all of this is very useful. The way that you try and

00:16:36 ◼   ► activate the keyboard splitting or moving is really weird. You kind of have

00:16:40 ◼   ► to swipe across the keys and it worked one hour every three times.

00:16:44 ◼   ► I just couldn't seem to get it to happen.

00:16:47 ◼   ► But the problem with this application is it's spammy and scammy.

00:16:50 ◼   ► So it has some themes in it and to unlock the themes you have to share it on social

00:16:56 ◼   ► networks and the themes that are unlocked look terrible.

00:17:03 ◼   ► The theme that just looks like the Apple keyboard, I have to share the Blink keyboard on Twitter

00:17:08 ◼   ► to get access to it. I wouldn't be surprised if this is why Simon SC sent it to me, you know?

00:17:13 ◼   ► He just shared it with me on Twitter. What if you talk about it on a very popular Apple podcast? Do

00:17:19 ◼   ► you get new themes? Well, I guess only if you talk about it positively, which I'm not. Just let me

00:17:25 ◼   ► pay you, like developer of Blink, let me pay you instead. Just let me pay you like 99 cents or $2

00:17:31 ◼   ► and I would potentially have used your keyboard, but now I have it sitting there on my phone,

00:17:37 ◼   ► but it's going to be deleted.

00:17:39 ◼   ► Keyboards, man. Keyboards are driving me crazy.

00:17:42 ◼   ► - They're a pain in the rear-deeds.

00:17:43 ◼   ► - Oh, my God, they're driving me so crazy,

00:17:45 ◼   ► 'cause there's so many good ones,

00:17:46 ◼   ► but I don't want to add any of them, because--

00:17:48 ◼   ► Right, so I'm using Emoji++, right?

00:17:51 ◼   ► - As you should. - Because it's awesome.

00:17:53 ◼   ► But the problem is, now,

00:17:55 ◼   ► I have Emoji++ as my second keyboard,

00:17:58 ◼   ► and then--so if I'm on the standard keyboard

00:18:00 ◼   ► and I want to add an emoji, I press it,

00:18:02 ◼   ► and it takes me to the second keyboard,

00:18:04 ◼   ► and I add my emoji, I press it again,

00:18:05 ◼   ► So again, it takes me to SwiftKey.

00:18:07 ◼   ► Right, that's the third one.

00:18:08 ◼   ► So that works as a flow.

00:18:09 ◼   ► But then I have TextExpander,

00:18:12 ◼   ► and then I have the one where you draw the pictures.

00:18:14 ◼   ► What's the name of that one?

00:18:16 ◼   ► - I don't know, I wish you would stop using it.

00:18:18 ◼   ► - No, 'cause it's so awesome.

00:18:20 ◼   ► I'm gonna find it now, 'cause it's gonna be here somewhere.

00:18:23 ◼   ► It's called Scribbleboard, and it's freaking amazing,

00:18:30 ◼   ► 'cause I get to draw little pictures

00:18:31 ◼   ► and send them to people.

00:18:32 ◼   ► But that means if I wanna--

00:18:33 ◼   ► - Including their servers, right?

00:18:34 ◼   ► they see what you're drawing me. I just I have no time for this fear that all of

00:18:42 ◼   ► my keystrokes have been sent. I'm trolling. Like I just can't, everybody just needs to stop.

00:18:46 ◼   ► Just please just stop. The problem is not the apps, the problem is the way that

00:18:51 ◼   ► Apple allows people to use it. Anyway, so if I then am on SwiftKey and I want to

00:19:00 ◼   ► add an emoji, I have to then cycle through another four keyboards before I

00:19:04 ◼   ► I can use emoji again.

00:19:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not good.

00:19:08 ◼   ► - If I could just hold down on the globe button.

00:19:11 ◼   ► - Why does it not,

00:19:11 ◼   ► why do they not allow access to pop over?

00:19:14 ◼   ► - Doesn't make sense to me.

00:19:15 ◼   ► Like it feels like it should be rectified by now.

00:19:18 ◼   ► - Maybe that's part of like,

00:19:19 ◼   ► Apple's keyboards have special access,

00:19:21 ◼   ► maybe that's part of it,

00:19:22 ◼   ► but they should have worked that out.

00:19:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm not a fan.

00:19:30 ◼   ► - I do, so my third party keyboards are the same as yours,

00:19:33 ◼   ► in the same order as yours except for the scribble board.

00:19:36 ◼   ► (imitates scribble board)

00:19:38 ◼   ► - So like, that Clipsy, see Clipsy?

00:19:41 ◼   ► Clips, I don't know why I call it Clipsy,

00:19:43 ◼   ► I don't know why I put a Y on there.

00:19:44 ◼   ► - I think you're thinking of Clippy.

00:19:46 ◼   ► - No, no, no.

00:19:47 ◼   ► Well, yes, always.

00:19:48 ◼   ► But Federico reviewed that app Clips

00:19:51 ◼   ► that he's been talking about for like six months.

00:19:53 ◼   ► - I'm not familiar with his work.

00:19:55 ◼   ► - And I'm really interested in using it

00:19:56 ◼   ► 'cause it's like a widget and a keyboard,

00:19:58 ◼   ► so there's like two parts of it.

00:19:59 ◼   ► You can use the widget, you can use the keyboard,

00:20:02 ◼   ► and we use them together and it does magical things,

00:20:04 ◼   ► but I don't want another keyboard

00:20:06 ◼   ► because it adds another button press

00:20:08 ◼   ► every time I wanna add an emoji.

00:20:10 ◼   ► It makes me extremely sad.

00:20:13 ◼   ► It makes me very, very sad.

00:20:14 ◼   ► - And it makes me sad as well.

00:20:17 ◼   ► It is nice though.

00:20:19 ◼   ► - You know what would be great?

00:20:20 ◼   ► If all of the keyboards had the ability to use

00:20:24 ◼   ► whatever it is the official keyboard is using,

00:20:27 ◼   ► because I'm not as accurate typing on any keyboard

00:20:31 ◼   ► other than the Apple keyboard.

00:20:33 ◼   ► - Agreed.

00:20:33 ◼   ► - SwiftKey, I think, does the best job

00:20:35 ◼   ► of standard day-to-day typing,

00:20:37 ◼   ► but it also has the swipe typing,

00:20:39 ◼   ► but it doesn't do such a good job

00:20:40 ◼   ► of recognizing whether I'm pressing

00:20:42 ◼   ► the full stop button on the space bar.

00:20:44 ◼   ► But one thing that SwiftKey does do

00:20:47 ◼   ► is you know when you accidentally press N or B

00:20:50 ◼   ► instead of space, and you end up with this really long word?

00:20:54 ◼   ► - Yes. - It's much better

00:20:56 ◼   ► at splitting up the words.

00:20:58 ◼   ► I do that with the period in Safari.

00:21:01 ◼   ► I always do, you know,

00:21:02 ◼   ► so I try to search for something

00:21:03 ◼   ► and it always has periods in between it.

00:21:04 ◼   ► - So I have that problem in our Slack

00:21:06 ◼   ► because Slack has the @ and the hashtag key,

00:21:09 ◼   ► but SwiftKey doesn't do a very good job

00:21:12 ◼   ► of recognizing the full stop.

00:21:14 ◼   ► It does a much better job of

00:21:17 ◼   ► the, of detecting the @ symbol and the hash symbol.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Recently, I've enjoyed looking at Federico's reviews, right?

00:21:27 ◼   ► I'm just on this page here for clips.

00:21:29 ◼   ► And I realize why he sends me such random text messages

00:21:33 ◼   ► these days.

00:21:34 ◼   ► - It is for screenshots.

00:21:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, like he sends me descriptions of applications

00:21:39 ◼   ► and I'm like, that's interesting, thanks buddy.

00:21:41 ◼   ► And it's because he's using this app.

00:21:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, that keyboard looks insane.

00:21:46 ◼   ► I wanna try this.

00:21:47 ◼   ► I really wanna try it on the iPad more.

00:21:49 ◼   ► Like it seems more like I would work on the iPad.

00:21:53 ◼   ► - It's gonna be really useful I think.

00:21:55 ◼   ► So this we're talking about clips again now.

00:21:57 ◼   ► I think it could be really useful for stuff like when I'm building these documents.

00:22:01 ◼   ► So I like to have both the copy of the... when we take a tweet from follow up and we

00:22:06 ◼   ► put it in show notes.

00:22:08 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Ideally I like to have the link to the tweet but also what the person said, put them both

00:22:14 ◼   ► in.

00:22:15 ◼   ► This will allow me to copy and paste both of those things in one go and then go over

00:22:19 ◼   ► to the other app and copy and paste them.

00:22:20 ◼   ► I'd like to do it if I do a link list post on 512 with the Squarespace blog app, like

00:22:26 ◼   ► to have the URL and whatever I'm gonna block quote would be handy or even the

00:22:31 ◼   ► author's name you know now I go back and forth three or four times.

00:22:35 ◼   ► Alright I'm gonna do it again I'm gonna complain about Google again.

00:22:39 ◼   ► Wait you're supposed to be the one who likes Google. Why are the Drive and Docs

00:22:44 ◼   ► apps and the Sheets app why are they still not updated? Gmail just got

00:22:50 ◼   ► updated like two days ago. So did Chrome. So Chrome I mean I'm very happy that

00:22:55 ◼   ► Chrome has been updated and I loved that there was like in their documents I took

00:23:00 ◼   ► a took a screenshot of it I don't know if I kept it though but their description

00:23:04 ◼   ► in the in the release notes was for Chrome better support for iPhone 6 like

00:23:12 ◼   ► is this it's like they're basically saying this is not optimum what we have

00:23:16 ◼   ► done it's just better it's we we had a couple minutes they do really need to

00:23:22 ◼   ► re-think the UI though because like many apps like that's the worst there's just

00:23:27 ◼   ► too many things and that on that top bar now and I think that's what they're

00:23:30 ◼   ► alluding to I think a lot of navigation bars especially in browsers and things

00:23:37 ◼   ► that stuff should go to the bottom I know that will probably make you want to

00:23:40 ◼   ► cry because it's not at the top and that makes you really sad but that's what

00:23:45 ◼   ► stuff like a back button in a browser or whatever should be at the bottom so I

00:23:51 ◼   ► I think we should be moving that stuff to the bottom of the screen at the bottom of the screen

00:23:56 ◼   ► I really turn on it

00:23:58 ◼   ► Because I can't stand Safari on the on the iPhone

00:24:02 ◼   ► Yeah

00:24:04 ◼   ► It drives me crazy that the the bar and all the all the like all the buttons disappear and you have to like

00:24:11 ◼   ► Do some sort of mystery tapping action or swiping action to get them to come back

00:24:15 ◼   ► Like it drives me insane. I don't know how people use it every day

00:24:19 ◼   ► I just can't get it. Drink. And Chrome supports most of the extensions that I want to use?

00:24:28 ◼   ► Why does Mail, I feel like Federico Fittigi right now, I'm just ranting about all the

00:24:32 ◼   ► things that have been annoying me over the last couple of weeks.

00:24:34 ◼   ► You're not even, you're so off the reservation without a document, I don't even know what's

00:24:37 ◼   ► happening. I'm just sharing all of my frustrations about iOS now. Why does Mail not have any

00:24:43 ◼   ► extension support? Like I have a link.

00:24:47 ◼   ► on the standard iOS share sheet but you can't share out of mail to other things.

00:24:51 ◼   ► Yeah like if I get a link in mail I just want to be able to like put it in

00:24:55 ◼   ► Instapaper. Nope! Open Safari first. Okay great thank you.

00:24:59 ◼   ► It's lame. Yeah. So topic zero today is Pebble. Mm-hmm. Which you own a Pebble

00:25:07 ◼   ► still. Yes. Pebble Steel still. I still own a Steel. The Pebble did get much better

00:25:13 ◼   ► because someone made a 512 pixels Pebble watch face. Not just someone, the one and

00:25:21 ◼   ► only Rob Lewis. I've been wearing, wearing yeah I'll go wearing, I've been wearing the

00:25:25 ◼   ► 512 pixels logo on my wrist for the past couple of days and I'm happy to say

00:25:29 ◼   ► that I like it. Will you send, will you put that picture in the share notes? Yes.

00:25:33 ◼   ► That'd be really cool. That was not really the topic, it was just a fun byproduct.

00:25:37 ◼   ► Topic is that, Myke have you heard that Apple's gonna do a watch? I am

00:25:42 ◼   ► familiar with with the apple fruit company? Yes they make apple fruits.

00:25:48 ◼   ► Apple fruits. So pebble has gone to the offensive they have the site getpebble.com

00:25:55 ◼   ► and it is super weird because they're like well they've changed it now now it

00:26:01 ◼   ► says breathe everyone but... Previously it said breathe Johnny didn't it? Yeah which

00:26:07 ◼   ► is like super kind of aggressive but I understand where they're coming from

00:26:10 ◼   ► because they are dead. Well I... They're super dead. I liked I liked the way the rest of

00:26:19 ◼   ► the page looks I like the way it looks and feels like it's got this fun playful

00:26:23 ◼   ► atmosphere and it's like pixel art and it looks really cool and stuff. But it

00:26:28 ◼   ► looks like a panic game. Yeah but like no you're thinking of Never Morgan but

00:26:35 ◼   ► But anyway, completely going out on the offensive, like calling out Apple openly is too much.

00:26:45 ◼   ► When they backed off of it.

00:26:49 ◼   ► We didn't really, did we really talk about what you're gonna do?

00:26:51 ◼   ► Are you gonna stay with the Pebble or are you gonna go Apple Watch?

00:26:54 ◼   ► I'm gonna get an Apple Watch.

00:26:57 ◼   ► Like because it will do everything the Pebble does but better.

00:27:02 ◼   ► The only thing that I won't get is seven days battery life.

00:27:06 ◼   ► - It's true.

00:27:07 ◼   ► - Like that's just, it won't happen.

00:27:09 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:27:10 ◼   ► - And my girlfriend wants an Apple Watch

00:27:12 ◼   ► because she likes the idea of the way

00:27:16 ◼   ► that we can talk to each other.

00:27:18 ◼   ► Like I was telling her about like the heartbeat sharing

00:27:20 ◼   ► and messages and things and she thinks it's nice.

00:27:22 ◼   ► And I mean, I'm looking forward

00:27:24 ◼   ► to sharing my heartbeat with you.

00:27:26 ◼   ► - That's assuming I buy an Apple Watch.

00:27:28 ◼   ► - I'll buy you one just so I can share my heartbeat with you.

00:27:31 ◼   ► Wow.

00:27:32 ◼   ► So that time stamp that everybody.

00:27:35 ◼   ► So the real news though with Pebble

00:27:37 ◼   ► besides them being weird in their marketing

00:27:39 ◼   ► is that they have dropped their price.

00:27:41 ◼   ► You can get a regular Pebble for $100 now.

00:27:44 ◼   ► And you can get a Steel for $200.

00:27:48 ◼   ► And they've expanded their fitness tracking stuff,

00:27:52 ◼   ► which is cool.

00:27:54 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:27:55 ◼   ► I look at this and it's like Android Wear is

00:27:59 ◼   ► coming from one side and Apple Watch

00:28:00 ◼   ► coming from the other side.

00:28:02 ◼   ► I think there will be a place for Pebble.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Like, I don't think they're doomed,

00:28:06 ◼   ► but I think it's gonna be very hard for them to find

00:28:09 ◼   ► where they are in the market.

00:28:10 ◼   ► And my guess is that they're gonna go like,

00:28:12 ◼   ► "Hey, we're the low cost alternative."

00:28:16 ◼   ► Which will work, I think,

00:28:18 ◼   ► but they're not gonna rule the roost the way they have

00:28:22 ◼   ► the last several years.

00:28:23 ◼   ► - I think they need to take their expertise

00:28:25 ◼   ► in hardware development and design

00:28:28 ◼   ► and make an Android Wear watch.

00:28:32 ◼   ► Obviously throwing out everything that they're good for,

00:28:36 ◼   ► you know, the E-Ink screen and the battery life,

00:28:38 ◼   ► but I don't think that they can continue much past

00:28:43 ◼   ► this time next year.

00:28:45 ◼   ► - Is it weird that now I wanna order one?

00:28:50 ◼   ► - Well, because I just said that.

00:28:52 ◼   ► - Well, because they're gonna go away.

00:28:54 ◼   ► - Well, they've just added a bunch of stuff,

00:28:56 ◼   ► which is interesting, right?

00:28:57 ◼   ► Like a fitness tracker.

00:28:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, and like part of me, so I kickstarted the Pebble

00:29:02 ◼   ► and had an original Kickstarter edition.

00:29:06 ◼   ► And at the time it really didn't do very much

00:29:07 ◼   ► and I was really actually pretty hard on it,

00:29:10 ◼   ► like publicly, like in my review.

00:29:13 ◼   ► And it does a lot more now and I'm kind of interested

00:29:15 ◼   ► to see it from a what does a smartwatch do in 2014

00:29:20 ◼   ► sort of viewpoint and see if the things,

00:29:23 ◼   ► the type of things that it does

00:29:25 ◼   ► are the types of things that I'm interested in with an Apple Watch.

00:29:29 ◼   ► So for me, I kind of view it as like, if I were to order one now,

00:29:33 ◼   ► is it like a test run for an Apple device?

00:29:36 ◼   ► I think it's interesting to use one,

00:29:41 ◼   ► because it sets your mind up into using a device like this.

00:29:46 ◼   ► So the reason that I know I want the Apple Watch is because, as I say,

00:29:51 ◼   ► it's going to do everything that I like better.

00:29:55 ◼   ► so i mean i'm really love my uh... my pebble i love

00:29:59 ◼   ► the notifications i love being able to just close down my wrist and see what's

00:30:03 ◼   ► going on

00:30:04 ◼   ► like i'm a big fan of all of that

00:30:07 ◼   ► having better integration with that and then also being able to maybe do some

00:30:11 ◼   ► additional bits and bobs here and there you know

00:30:14 ◼   ► have some absent that sort of stuff

00:30:16 ◼   ► i'm excited to use all of that unlike

00:30:19 ◼   ► i mean it doesn't bother me too much that you have to have the phone and the

00:30:23 ◼   ► watch in close proximity to work like that. I don't, just from my usage of

00:30:28 ◼   ► a device like this it doesn't really cause that much of a problem. My phone is

00:30:33 ◼   ► always with me anyway so it's like, you know, I can't imagine that even if

00:30:38 ◼   ► the watch worked without the phone that I would then start leaving my phone like

00:30:42 ◼   ► in rooms across the building or something.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Yeah I'm definitely the same way.

00:30:48 ◼   ► yeah so we'll see I'll let you know if I do this I would advise I would advise

00:30:56 ◼   ► against it yeah but like I'm also the guy like used a Newton in 2005 so yeah

00:31:02 ◼   ► but you've already you know you already didn't like it I mean yeah no I did and

00:31:06 ◼   ► but my complaints were the limitation of the software and a lot of that has

00:31:11 ◼   ► gotten a lot better with I was seven and eight and his pebble has evolved I mean

00:31:15 ◼   ► forget this was like over two years ago yeah yeah but I don't know we'll see

00:31:21 ◼   ► we'll see how it does definitely not the orange one I tell you that that's pretty

00:31:25 ◼   ► well you reviewed yours on March 19th 2013 so a year and a half ago here and a

00:31:31 ◼   ► half ago but before I was seven yeah and it seemed like it did they made some

00:31:37 ◼   ► significant changes and the steel got a lot better they updated the software but

00:31:41 ◼   ► The one good thing is you can dismiss notifications now, but I mean it's not incredible.

00:31:46 ◼   ► Yeah, and I would, like you I think, really have it limited to what it's doing notification-wise.

00:31:53 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah I do that. I mean, but I get more notifications than most people choose to receive.

00:32:00 ◼   ► It's true.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Because I choose to keep things on that I shouldn't maybe keep on.

00:32:05 ◼   ► It's true.

00:32:06 ◼   ► Keep on keeping on.

00:32:07 ◼   ► Keep on keeping on.

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00:35:17 ◼   ► Michael, Steven, will you tell me about your dad?

00:35:23 ◼   ► Yes, I will actually.

00:35:26 ◼   ► There's been a lot of stories this week about iOS 8 adoption slowing down.

00:35:33 ◼   ► My understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong Steven, is that there's some information

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00:35:44 ◼   ► Is that right?

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00:35:51 ◼   ► So there is basically, across the web, there is discussions about the fact that iOS 8 is

00:35:56 ◼   ► slowing down.

00:35:59 ◼   ► All of the signs point to yes, that's happening.

00:36:01 ◼   ► This discussion isn't so much about whether it's happening, we're assuming that it is.

00:36:07 ◼   ► Okay?

00:36:08 ◼   ► Is that fair to say?

00:36:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, so there are some hard numbers here that currently, as of a day or two ago,

00:36:18 ◼   ► Apple reported that iOS 8 was installed at 47% of devices.

00:36:23 ◼   ► But iOS 7 was at the same time period, almost at 70%.

00:36:30 ◼   ► So pretty big, pretty big difference.

00:36:38 ◼   ► And 7 was about the same as 6 for full comparison.

00:36:41 ◼   ► Not great.

00:36:46 ◼   ► So we were going to talk about this on the show,

00:36:51 ◼   ► and I was speaking with my dad yesterday.

00:36:54 ◼   ► And he has an iPhone 4S.

00:36:57 ◼   ► And he was telling me about how he wanted to update his phone,

00:37:01 ◼   ► but couldn't, to iOS 8.

00:37:05 ◼   ► So he's on 7 point something or other.

00:37:09 ◼   ► And he wants to update to iOS 8.

00:37:12 ◼   ► So we were talking about this because I

00:37:14 ◼   ► was showing him my 6 Plus.

00:37:15 ◼   ► and he decided that he wanted to complain to me about this,

00:37:20 ◼   ► which I thought was really interesting at the time.

00:37:23 ◼   ► So currently on his 4S,

00:37:27 ◼   ► he is using three gigabytes

00:37:33 ◼   ► of his overall six gigabytes available.

00:37:36 ◼   ► So he has three gigabytes available, three gigabytes used.

00:37:40 ◼   ► So six gigabytes is in total available

00:37:43 ◼   ► for him to use on the phone.

00:37:44 ◼   ► So I'm assuming he has the 8GB model, right?

00:37:48 ◼   ► The biggest amount of data dedicated to one

00:37:52 ◼   ► app is 401MB in photos.

00:37:56 ◼   ► You can see this, I put the link in the show notes. Which is nothing, I mean

00:38:00 ◼   ► compared to what we do, but... Like he was intent on showing

00:38:04 ◼   ► me, I didn't take any more pictures, that he only had like 20 apps on his phone or something, right?

00:38:08 ◼   ► So it really wasn't a lot of data going into his apps.

00:38:12 ◼   ► And then he shows me the software update screen and it tells him he needs 4.7 gigabytes of storage

00:38:20 ◼   ► on his phone available to be able to install iOS 8.

00:38:28 ◼   ► So he needs to delete basically everything to get to this.

00:38:37 ◼   ► Because he would need to delete all of his apps if he didn't want to delete his photos.

00:38:40 ◼   ► He needs a cloud photo management solution.

00:38:44 ◼   ► I mean, and I know people, to stop people writing in, I did give him this piece of advice.

00:38:49 ◼   ► That he could plug his iPhone into his computer and he could update it that way.

00:38:58 ◼   ► As I'm saying these words out to him, I'm instantly regretting it.

00:39:04 ◼   ► Because I don't know what machine he used to create, you know, he used to do the first

00:39:09 ◼   ► backup of his phone, if he's ever done it.

00:39:12 ◼   ► And I foresaw a world where he then erases his phone,

00:39:18 ◼   ► by doing the update.

00:39:20 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:39:21 ◼   ► Let's make a fun surprise.

00:39:23 ◼   ► And then tried to imagine me telling

00:39:25 ◼   ► him to restore from iCloud, which he probably

00:39:28 ◼   ► doesn't back up to iCloud.

00:39:30 ◼   ► So #cleanmikestad.

00:39:32 ◼   ► And it frustrates him.

00:39:34 ◼   ► No, absolutely.

00:39:35 ◼   ► Like joking aside, it's a terrible user experience.

00:39:38 ◼   ► He thinks it's ridiculous, but then he goes on to tell me about how his stepson can't

00:39:43 ◼   ► update on his iPhone 5.

00:39:46 ◼   ► And apparently this is something that him and his friends know is a problem about Apple.

00:39:52 ◼   ► Like that you can't update the phone software.

00:39:55 ◼   ► And also even if you did, apparently there's nothing new in iOS 8.

00:40:00 ◼   ► And also it breaks your phone anyway.

00:40:06 ◼   ► it was just so interesting for me to hear. I was just letting him say all

00:40:10 ◼   ► these things like I wasn't saying like "yeah I know but they did fix it with

00:40:13 ◼   ► Vado" I'm not gonna tell him all that because it wasn't important but what it

00:40:17 ◼   ► was just interesting to me to hear all of this all of this thinking because I

00:40:24 ◼   ► got to you know Federico loves to do this sort of stuff right where he

00:40:29 ◼   ► listens to people in his real world. And I just found it just fascinating to

00:40:37 ◼   ► be like, well, to see what the media was telling him, i.e. that his phone

00:40:46 ◼   ► was gonna break if he updated, and also the fact that he's facing this problem.

00:40:53 ◼   ► And so the reason that we're talking about all of this is because I

00:40:57 ◼   ► I believe, as do many, of course, and I think Steven you're probably in the same, I think

00:41:02 ◼   ► if I remember your post correctly, that part of the problem is that a lot of people, either

00:41:08 ◼   ► their phone doesn't accept iOS 8 now, but it was accepted in iOS 7, right, so the iPhone

00:41:12 ◼   ► 4, or it's the case that they actually just can't install it, they don't have the space

00:41:19 ◼   ► to do it.

00:41:20 ◼   ► And who wants to delete everything from their phones to be able to do an update?

00:41:24 ◼   ► That's not a solution at all.

00:41:25 ◼   ► What happened the last time they updated their phones?

00:41:29 ◼   ► Everything looked weird.

00:41:30 ◼   ► Everything changed.

00:41:32 ◼   ► Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:33 ◼   ► It's sort of a perfect storm for Apple right now.

00:41:36 ◼   ► And I think that a lot of devices can't install it.

00:41:40 ◼   ► A lot of devices don't have enough space.

00:41:42 ◼   ► And people got burned with iOS 7.

00:41:45 ◼   ► And there's this-- you're talking about in the chat

00:41:47 ◼   ► right now-- there's a lot of thoughts on, well,

00:41:49 ◼   ► it's really not-- what good do I get to upgrade?

00:41:54 ◼   ► There's nothing new anyways.

00:41:55 ◼   ► and it's rough.

00:41:57 ◼   ► And we spoke about this last week,

00:41:59 ◼   ► that Apple needs its customers and developers

00:42:04 ◼   ► need Apple's customers to be on the newest version of iOS.

00:42:07 ◼   ► And when that's not true, it holds everything back.

00:42:10 ◼   ► And then we're in like a weird Android situation

00:42:12 ◼   ► that no one wants to be in.

00:42:15 ◼   ► It's not good.

00:42:16 ◼   ► And I don't know what the solution is,

00:42:19 ◼   ► because updates take a certain amount of size.

00:42:21 ◼   ► You know, I would have liked to think that Apple foresaw this

00:42:24 ◼   ► when they looked at over the air updating.

00:42:27 ◼   ► But it leaves people like your dad's stuck

00:42:32 ◼   ► and what it mean, he's gonna run Iowa 7 forever.

00:42:34 ◼   ► I was on somebody last night,

00:42:37 ◼   ► so running Iowa 6 on their phone

00:42:38 ◼   ► and I, kind of the same story, right?

00:42:42 ◼   ► Like, ah, I tried to update

00:42:43 ◼   ► but then I didn't want to and you know.

00:42:45 ◼   ► - The problem is-- - Iowa 6 looks weird.

00:42:49 ◼   ► - Like Apple is still selling phones

00:42:54 ◼   ► that they are still selling phones

00:42:56 ◼   ► with eight gigabytes of storage new today, right?

00:43:00 ◼   ► In many parts of the world,

00:43:01 ◼   ► I don't think they sell them in the US,

00:43:03 ◼   ► but they sell them in Europe and in the UK,

00:43:04 ◼   ► which I don't understand.

00:43:06 ◼   ► I don't get the reasoning for it.

00:43:10 ◼   ► - Everything's bigger in America.

00:43:12 ◼   ► - I don't understand the full reasoning.

00:43:17 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:43:18 ◼   ► You just carry on.

00:43:19 ◼   ► But you know, these phones,

00:43:23 ◼   ► They're not updatable.

00:43:25 ◼   ► I don't know enough about how these things work.

00:43:27 ◼   ► I'm just going to naturally assume there is no other way

00:43:30 ◼   ► to do this.

00:43:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, people don't, like iTunes is dying off

00:43:36 ◼   ► anyways.

00:43:37 ◼   ► And you can definitely still buy an eight gigabyte phone

00:43:41 ◼   ► in America as well.

00:43:42 ◼   ► The 5C comes in at eight gig.

00:43:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, I didn't know.

00:43:45 ◼   ► I don't think it launched in America.

00:43:46 ◼   ► I didn't know that you now have it.

00:43:48 ◼   ► The wizard let us know.

00:43:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Anyways, all that is is not good for Apple. It's not good for its users, but there's kind of a other side of this coin

00:43:58 ◼   ► You know the idea that Iowa 7 was really buggy and gross and people like you including me you who are a power user

00:44:06 ◼   ► Had endless home screen crashes and endless reboots for months. Oh, I've had a couple of home screen crashes, by the way

00:44:14 ◼   ► On8 yeah, I have to

00:44:18 ◼   ► I had a blue screen.

00:44:20 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:44:22 ◼   ► But there's also this conversation going on that

00:44:26 ◼   ► you know, Apple may need to be slowing

00:44:30 ◼   ► it may be in Apple's best interest overall to slow down a little bit.

00:44:34 ◼   ► And it could help users, it could help this idea of

00:44:38 ◼   ► these updates come out and they're not

00:44:42 ◼   ► really well done, like the Health app or Maps or

00:44:46 ◼   ► Iowa 7 like that together with the fact that people can't update or aren't

00:44:51 ◼   ► updating as fast is it's not a good combo and it's it's I don't want this to

00:44:58 ◼   ► be the story of like Apple software releases but I fear that's where they're

00:45:02 ◼   ► headed. Do they have any history going back into history of Apple ever been

00:45:08 ◼   ► like this before? They what do you mean like the speed or the bugs? The yeah the

00:45:14 ◼   ► catastrophic failure? They definitely have had a lot of releases over the years

00:45:21 ◼   ► that had problems like the you know any dot zero version of Mac OS X for years

00:45:26 ◼   ► was rough around the edges. Mac OS X itself was bad for a long time but as

00:45:31 ◼   ► far as like outright bugs I feel like now is about the worst it's ever been

00:45:39 ◼   ► now you know you can go really far back and like there was like a system 7

00:45:43 ◼   ► update that would like delete your hard drive and like there's oddball stuff but

00:45:47 ◼   ► it's a little bit unfair to to compare them because you're talking about a

00:45:51 ◼   ► device now right like it's very hard for most people to understand that this the

00:45:54 ◼   ► OS on their phone their phone are separate things like I pick up this

00:45:57 ◼   ► device and it has these things on it and they just work where on a computer if

00:46:04 ◼   ► you were a Mac guy in the 90s you had a really keen understanding that like your

00:46:07 ◼   ► system and your hardware were separate and so it's even if it's not worse now

00:46:12 ◼   ► it sure feels worse because these devices are everywhere and they iOS has

00:46:18 ◼   ► worked really well into the last couple of years it's very um it's a very odd

00:46:24 ◼   ► time

00:46:27 ◼   ► I don't like it no and I don't really know what what we're expecting to see

00:46:32 ◼   ► from it in all honesty like yeah because if Apple slows down they're gonna get

00:46:36 ◼   ► hammered in the press yeah we thought we talked about this last week but I would

00:46:42 ◼   ► argue that the legacy of bad software releases is more damaging in the long term.

00:46:49 ◼   ► And even Android, you see Android 4, KitKat and release.before, they've slowed down a

00:46:55 ◼   ► little bit as well.

00:46:57 ◼   ► And I think that's fine if the quality goes up.

00:47:02 ◼   ► If they slow down and the quality is still not awesome, then that's kind of the worst

00:47:08 ◼   ► of both worlds.

00:47:09 ◼   ► Nobody wants the worst of both worlds.

00:47:13 ◼   ► I don't want the worst of both worlds at all.

00:47:17 ◼   ► But I mean like, but what are you gonna do, right?

00:47:18 ◼   ► Like Apple customers, myself included, like I don't want to use another platform.

00:47:24 ◼   ► Like I'm here by choice and I'm not planning on changing my mind on that.

00:47:27 ◼   ► So I'm kind of stuck with it, right?

00:47:29 ◼   ► Like if my phone doesn't work well or iCloud eats my contacts, like I don't know what it

00:47:35 ◼   ► would take for Apple to push me away.

00:47:38 ◼   ► And so to an extent like Apple has forgiveness with its customers maybe more so than other

00:47:43 ◼   ► companies but as Apple grows and its customer base grows that would become less and less

00:47:48 ◼   ► true.

00:47:49 ◼   ► You know guys like me I'm you know been there a long time and saw a lot of abuse and people

00:47:53 ◼   ► you know older than me have seen a lot of abuse from Cupertino like just terrible Mac

00:47:58 ◼   ► OS releases.

00:48:01 ◼   ► But as you know Apple's fans now aren't as loyal as maybe they were five or ten years

00:48:07 ◼   ► ago because there's more of them and it's easier to switch and so while I'm

00:48:13 ◼   ► not looking to move to Android because my iPhone is doing weird things some

00:48:18 ◼   ► people might and that's that's not not great.

00:48:22 ◼   ► Carl's the Grey in the in the chat room says I've never seen a PR nightmare over

00:48:28 ◼   ► not releasing an iOS upgrade every year but I could be wrong which is an

00:48:32 ◼   ► interesting point but I think the reason you've not seen it is because it's not

00:48:35 ◼   ► happened. Right? We don't have precedent for the press being upset about it

00:48:41 ◼   ► because they've never had it to be upset about before. In fact, Apple's in the

00:48:45 ◼   ► opposite. They've sped up OS X, which is horrifying. That one might just have to be

00:48:52 ◼   ► around more than 11 months. So I don't know, like, I don't know what Apple... I

00:48:58 ◼   ► mean, the best solution, I think, from Apple's perspective, is to get QA under

00:49:03 ◼   ► control and they can keep the pace they're at but that requires things of

00:49:08 ◼   ► Apple that they don't want they either have to grow and I think Apple doesn't

00:49:12 ◼   ► mind growing I think it's really hard to grow in these areas just from a staffing

00:49:16 ◼   ► perspective or Apple has to say you know what like where the QA is gonna go up

00:49:21 ◼   ► we're still gonna release yearly but they're gonna be smaller releases gonna

00:49:24 ◼   ► be more iterative releases and then it's kind of like what's the point of doing

00:49:30 ◼   ► that each year. So short of just throwing more people at the problem and if time

00:49:38 ◼   ► is a constraint which admittedly is set by them, that's the only thing they can't do

00:49:45 ◼   ► and that's that's not something that's fixed overnight.

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00:53:24 ◼   ► Hooray!

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00:53:26 ◼   ► They're awesome.

00:53:27 ◼   ► All my demands are there.

00:53:32 ◼   ► So they're having an iPad event next week.

00:53:37 ◼   ► Yep.

00:53:38 ◼   ► And I just realized I skipped topic number two.

00:53:41 ◼   ► Is it, well, I mean, let's just kill topic number two.

00:53:45 ◼   ► Dead.

00:53:46 ◼   ► No one will know what it was.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Mwahaha.

00:53:49 ◼   ► So...

00:53:50 ◼   ► Is it an iPad event though?

00:53:51 ◼   ► Like do we know it's an iPad?

00:53:52 ◼   ► We have no idea.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Well, technically, no.

00:53:54 ◼   ► No, we don't know because Apple doesn't reveal these things because Apple doesn't release products until Apple's ready Steven. I didn't know that's right

00:54:00 ◼   ► So they never delayed. Okay, Apple is never delayed

00:54:04 ◼   ► My favorite argument it's the one that I've made it but it's the worst argument ever it's not really the worst

00:54:13 ◼   ► It's not when they operate on a schedule

00:54:16 ◼   ► anyway, anyway

00:54:19 ◼   ► You mispronounce schedule

00:54:22 ◼   ► There's a link to Mac stories and a link to loop insight in the show notes October 16th

00:54:27 ◼   ► Apples event is tongue-in-cheek as always saying it's been way too long. This is next Thursday, right?

00:54:33 ◼   ► Sure, all basically every single show on the network is gonna miss it's gonna miss it

00:54:40 ◼   ► I mean, we'll be there the week after yeah

00:54:43 ◼   ► I so people sometimes ask why we don't move this show to handle events. We like time to think

00:54:49 ◼   ► is what I tell people.

00:54:50 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:54:51 ◼   ► - Also, I have a job.

00:54:52 ◼   ► I like the two of you.

00:54:54 ◼   ► - I still kind of have one for at least another

00:54:56 ◼   ► four and a half weeks.

00:54:57 ◼   ► - It's like we literally just had this conversation.

00:54:59 ◼   ► - We can thank the European Union for this.

00:55:01 ◼   ► - So, Jim Davenport says, "iPads, Macs,

00:55:04 ◼   ► "and the introduction of EOS."

00:55:06 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:55:07 ◼   ► - Yo, EOS 10.

00:55:09 ◼   ► - Yo S 10?

00:55:09 ◼   ► - Yo S 10.

00:55:11 ◼   ► Yo-sem-ity.

00:55:12 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:55:18 ◼   ► - OS XE Yosemite, I think all that makes a lot of sense.

00:55:20 ◼   ► I would totally dig the, what is it,

00:55:23 ◼   ► the Retina iMac rumor would be really cool.

00:55:27 ◼   ► App Store would be really expensive.

00:55:29 ◼   ► Mac Mini would be awesome.

00:55:34 ◼   ► Do you remember the Mac Mini?

00:55:35 ◼   ► It used to be a computer Apple made.

00:55:37 ◼   ► - Listen to this.

00:55:38 ◼   ► Shouldn't have done that, shouldn't have done that,

00:55:41 ◼   ► but that's the Mac I'm recording on.

00:55:44 ◼   ► - I don't think, did you hit it?

00:55:46 ◼   ► It's not a cool-- - No.

00:55:47 ◼   ► Is it have a hard drive in it?

00:55:52 ◼   ► Not anymore.

00:55:55 ◼   ► I would I really think the Mac Mini would probably get an update.

00:55:59 ◼   ► This retina iMac thing is interesting.

00:56:00 ◼   ► If the Mac Mini gets an update, what do you think is going to be in it?

00:56:05 ◼   ► Like this is really in like.

00:56:07 ◼   ► It'll be it'll be processors.

00:56:08 ◼   ► I mean they're not gonna you remember my article from last year of like.

00:56:12 ◼   ► It'll be SSDs too though right?

00:56:17 ◼   ► I mean, it doesn't-- part of the Mac Mini is the price, right?

00:56:21 ◼   ► That they put cheap components in there to keep it cheap.

00:56:26 ◼   ► And I've heard a thing in September of last year

00:56:30 ◼   ► about a theoretical Mac Mini that was like,

00:56:32 ◼   ► the Mac Mini is the size and shape

00:56:33 ◼   ► it is because the optical drive.

00:56:35 ◼   ► How cool would it be if--

00:56:37 ◼   ► Mine doesn't have an optical drive.

00:56:40 ◼   ► Well, no, but it's still the same area.

00:56:43 ◼   ► It's like, how cool would it be if you took a MacBook Air

00:56:45 ◼   ► and just put it in an aluminum case with no battery.

00:56:48 ◼   ► So I don't know, I don't think we're gonna see that.

00:56:51 ◼   ► I think if the Mac Mini gets updated,

00:56:53 ◼   ► it'll be processors and RAM or something like that.

00:56:56 ◼   ► Nothing. - You really don't think

00:56:58 ◼   ► solid state though, you really think that they would keep--

00:57:00 ◼   ► - I think maybe it's an option,

00:57:01 ◼   ► but I don't think they're gonna do it by default.

00:57:04 ◼   ► I don't think they can - That would seem so weird.

00:57:05 ◼   ► - to keep the price point. - That would seem so weird.

00:57:06 ◼   ► - But the Mac Mini is so cheap,

00:57:09 ◼   ► and SSDs are expensive compared to hard drives.

00:57:13 ◼   ► The reason I ask this is like, I need... no, I don't need it.

00:57:18 ◼   ► You need a computer?

00:57:19 ◼   ► I would like a faster production machine because I'm using this Mac Mini, it's got a spinning

00:57:24 ◼   ► disk in it and I feel that.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Like I feel the slowness in everything that I do because I've used solid state devices

00:57:33 ◼   ► to do this sort of stuff before so I know what it can feel like to use a much faster...

00:57:40 ◼   ► Why not put an SSD in that Mac Mini?

00:57:41 ◼   ► I did that at home. My home machine is a Mac Mini with an SSD in it.

00:57:44 ◼   ► Why don't you put an SSD in my Mac Mini?

00:57:46 ◼   ► Mail it to me.

00:57:47 ◼   ► But then what do I record on?

00:57:49 ◼   ► Just take the week off.

00:57:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:57:52 ◼   ► I mean, I don't like to mess around with the machines that are powering the network.

00:57:59 ◼   ► Like, I don't want to do that.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Even if it's simply as something like replacing a hard drive, I don't want to do it.

00:58:06 ◼   ► No, I know. And...

00:58:08 ◼   ► I get it.

00:58:10 ◼   ► I mean it'd be great to have an SSD Mac Mini, maybe they will but I'd be a little surprised

00:58:16 ◼   ► I think I'm still running...

00:58:18 ◼   ► I don't even want to know

00:58:19 ◼   ► I'm running Mountain Lion

00:58:21 ◼   ► That's not too bad

00:58:22 ◼   ► Mountain Lion?

00:58:23 ◼   ► No I'm running...

00:58:24 ◼   ► MOUNTAIN LION!

00:58:25 ◼   ► Yeah, Mountain Lion's 10.8 right?

00:58:26 ◼   ► Mizzy Lizzy, yeah

00:58:27 ◼   ► Yeah I'm running 10.8

00:58:30 ◼   ► Good for you

00:58:31 ◼   ► Well I would still be on Lion but they made me update it so I could use Logic Pro

00:58:39 ◼   ► again I don't like to do anything to that machine like because it works right

00:58:44 ◼   ► now so don't touch it but anyway all of this is to say I would like a faster

00:58:50 ◼   ► more powerful computer I don't want an iMac because I don't want to lose the

00:58:56 ◼   ► up the audio in and audio out it's just purely I just don't want the Mac many

00:59:01 ◼   ► have audio in and out yes oh I didn't realize that was still around yeah the

00:59:06 ◼   ► Mac Pro has it.

00:59:08 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:59:09 ◼   ► - So then the only thing is like, I wanna go,

00:59:11 ◼   ► I have to go to a Mac Pro, I don't want to do that.

00:59:13 ◼   ► So a new Mac Mini would probably, would hopefully be good

00:59:16 ◼   ► if it had a, what processor do you think you'd get,

00:59:19 ◼   ► like an i5, an i7?

00:59:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, which I think you can do, I think you do now,

00:59:23 ◼   ► but it's an older, that's,

00:59:26 ◼   ► it's not even Haswell, I don't think.

00:59:30 ◼   ► Like it's pretty old.

00:59:32 ◼   ► - So, I mean--

00:59:34 ◼   ► - But you know, if you could do an i7 with SSD

00:59:36 ◼   ► and like 16 gigs of RAM,

00:59:37 ◼   ► that'd be a fine machine for what you need.

00:59:39 ◼   ► - I need a fine machine.

00:59:43 ◼   ► And then I'll be very happy.

00:59:44 ◼   ► I would be very, very happy with that, I think.

00:59:46 ◼   ► - So we'll cross our fingers.

00:59:49 ◼   ► And okay, so to be clear,

00:59:52 ◼   ► before to save people from emailing us,

00:59:54 ◼   ► you can get a Mac Mini with an SSD.

00:59:57 ◼   ► You can get a 256 gig SSD,

01:00:00 ◼   ► and it's 200 bucks.

01:00:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't want 256 though, you know.

01:00:05 ◼   ► Or if you buy the Apple server version of it,

01:00:08 ◼   ► which is, then you can get two 256 gig drives for $600.

01:00:13 ◼   ► So I'm not really sure why the price goes up.

01:00:18 ◼   ► - Ideally I would like to put.

01:00:19 ◼   ► - I mean, math does not really scale.

01:00:24 ◼   ► - I would like to be able to put a terabyte.

01:00:27 ◼   ► - Of SSDs?

01:00:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:00:30 ◼   ► - Send it to me.

01:00:31 ◼   ► You could totally do it.

01:00:32 ◼   ► - I know.

01:00:33 ◼   ► - Okay, that's it.

01:00:34 ◼   ► okay like I can no you should take it somewhere I'm not doing it

01:00:41 ◼   ► well there are a lot of people making SSD puns in the chat room I will ban I will

01:00:46 ◼   ► ban you how could I have to say this Aaron LM Goodwin it will be SSD sent

01:00:55 ◼   ► it's not even a pun you just threw letters together no it is a pun that's

01:01:00 ◼   ► - It's not a very good one.

01:01:00 ◼   ► - It's an excellent pun.

01:01:02 ◼   ► - What about, so even a Redneck iMac,

01:01:06 ◼   ► you want the audio in and out.

01:01:08 ◼   ► - I want the audio in and out.

01:01:10 ◼   ► I use Firewire, sometimes.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Sometimes I use audio in and out, right?

01:01:15 ◼   ► Sue me. - Like a gentleman.

01:01:16 ◼   ► - Just sue me.

01:01:17 ◼   ► But I just, I could use Firewire, but whatever.

01:01:20 ◼   ► I just like to know that it's there.

01:01:24 ◼   ► If something goes wrong, if something blows up,

01:01:26 ◼   ► like it's just, it's there.

01:01:29 ◼   ► I've had horrible things happen with the firewire in this machine once when I think it shorted.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

01:01:36 ◼   ► That was a horrible day.

01:01:37 ◼   ► I do remember that, yeah.

01:01:38 ◼   ► That was a horrible day.

01:01:39 ◼   ► And I fixed it for you over text message.

01:01:42 ◼   ► Did you fix it?

01:01:43 ◼   ► Did.

01:01:44 ◼   ► No, I think you did.

01:01:45 ◼   ► I've read that iMac would be cool.

01:01:47 ◼   ► So we didn't talk about this, so I own a Retina MacBook Pro now.

01:01:51 ◼   ► And lots of things on the internet are blurry, which is not good.

01:01:55 ◼   ► You have to just get used to that, and you do get used to it.

01:01:58 ◼   ► I know you don't but don't run it at the best retina. Just don't ever do that. Anybody that does that is crazy

01:02:04 ◼   ► It's way too small for me. So I use the the 1440 by 900 settings. So the one-click

01:02:10 ◼   ► better than stock and

01:02:13 ◼   ► The retina is really nice and as I use an external display at my desk and it's not retina and it makes me sad

01:02:19 ◼   ► But I can't imagine like a retina iMac would be

01:02:23 ◼   ► Maybe like vaguely overwhelming like your background picture is like you're looking at the window

01:02:28 ◼   ► because it's enormous in retina David's box has had some fantastic points about

01:02:34 ◼   ► this like what you should and shouldn't do and he was like don't look at it if

01:02:38 ◼   ► you if you don't want to buy one don't ever go to a store and don't ever look

01:02:43 ◼   ► at it because that screen will look incredible like it will be just insane

01:02:49 ◼   ► but I feel like that will be such a terrible version one like I can't

01:02:56 ◼   ► - Maybe.

01:02:57 ◼   ► - You can't even imagine the amount of things

01:02:58 ◼   ► that would go wrong.

01:02:59 ◼   ► I mean, what size do you think it would be?

01:03:01 ◼   ► - 27.

01:03:02 ◼   ► - That seems like just--

01:03:03 ◼   ► - And I think like this Apple Insider article

01:03:05 ◼   ► kind of, the conversation has been

01:03:07 ◼   ► that it would sit above the 27 inch in the current lineup,

01:03:10 ◼   ► so they could justify the $12,000 it would cost.

01:03:13 ◼   ► - That's the same as they did

01:03:14 ◼   ► with the Retina MacBook Pro, right?

01:03:15 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:03:16 ◼   ► - They show it as this is the future of computing.

01:03:18 ◼   ► - That's exactly right, Michael.

01:03:20 ◼   ► - I'm an Apple historian now.

01:03:22 ◼   ► Congratulations to me.

01:03:24 ◼   ► - That's literally all it takes.

01:03:25 ◼   ► Like, I feel like, to me, I mean,

01:03:29 ◼   ► there are smarter people that can tell me this is wrong, okay?

01:03:32 ◼   ► I feel like it would just heat up.

01:03:35 ◼   ► I feel like it would be the hottest computer in the world.

01:03:38 ◼   ► Like, I just imagine, like, all of these little pixels

01:03:41 ◼   ► working really, really hard, and it just starts to melt.

01:03:45 ◼   ► - I don't think you--

01:03:46 ◼   ► - Whatever, I just, that's how I feel, okay?

01:03:49 ◼   ► - So what about iPads?

01:03:51 ◼   ► Thinner?

01:03:52 ◼   ► Can I just say--

01:03:53 ◼   ► - I don't even care.

01:03:55 ◼   ► I don't, so what I do want, I'm not gonna upgrade my iPad this year.

01:04:00 ◼   ► I haven't used my iPad in a month.

01:04:04 ◼   ► However long I've had my iPhone 6 Plus.

01:04:06 ◼   ► It's a good workflow.

01:04:07 ◼   ► I've not used my iPad at all.

01:04:09 ◼   ► I really want Touch ID on my iPad though.

01:04:11 ◼   ► So I skipped the 5S, so I'm from a 5 to a 6, and it's just my first device with Touch

01:04:17 ◼   ► ID, and I love it, and I want to use it for everything, and I turned it on to apps that

01:04:20 ◼   ► don't even require it because I get to use it.

01:04:22 ◼   ► No, I want Touch ID on my Mac more than I want to use it.

01:04:25 ◼   ► would be legit but on I think it'll obviously be on the iPads do we want a

01:04:31 ◼   ► bigger iPad I don't want there would have to be a really good reason like the

01:04:36 ◼   ► only thing this sounds crazy but I don't want a mini right because it's too close

01:04:43 ◼   ► in size to my 6+ yeah they're not that close right that the iPad is still feels

01:04:49 ◼   ► different but they're close enough like the the main things that I would do on

01:04:54 ◼   ► my iPad is read, right? But this 6 Plus screen is perfect for reading, like it's

01:05:00 ◼   ► just fantastic, it looks better and it's easier to hold, etc etc. I don't like

01:05:08 ◼   ► the Air form factor, I don't like it, I think it looks crazy. I think it looks

01:05:14 ◼   ► like Fisher Price iPad because everything is huge, like all the icons

01:05:19 ◼   ► are huge and I still think it's too big and too heavy even the air like I don't

01:05:25 ◼   ► like it since the day the mini came out I've fallen out of love with the

01:05:30 ◼   ► original iPad form factor in all of its form factors with the huge comical

01:05:35 ◼   ► picture frame bezel and then even even in its current form I just don't like

01:05:39 ◼   ► the big iPads they don't make sense to me so the only thing I can think of is

01:05:43 ◼   ► like a super big iPad would obviously be for a reason well actually I say that

01:05:49 ◼   ► they never really gave a reason for the big phones.

01:05:51 ◼   ► So they're just like, big iPad, apps are big.

01:05:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, Apple doesn't have to explain anything anymore.

01:05:55 ◼   ► - Bigger, then bigger, then bigger.

01:05:56 ◼   ► There you go, that's what it's gonna say.

01:05:58 ◼   ► - Bigger, then bigger, then bigger, then bigger.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - Bigger, bigger.

01:06:01 ◼   ► - Bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger.

01:06:02 ◼   ► - If they do this split screen stuff,

01:06:05 ◼   ► which I still don't actually think would be that great,

01:06:08 ◼   ► that's the only reason I can foresee them doing it.

01:06:11 ◼   ► I mean, at that point, they're just Microsoft, right?

01:06:14 ◼   ► 'Cause that's just what Microsoft did.

01:06:17 ◼   ► I don't really see what more you'd get out of it,

01:06:21 ◼   ► but someone like Federico Petitchi

01:06:23 ◼   ► would have like a field day, right?

01:06:25 ◼   ► - I mean, maybe.

01:06:26 ◼   ► It's gotta be done well,

01:06:28 ◼   ► and my faith in that working currently at Apple is waning.

01:06:33 ◼   ► - I feel like you need--

01:06:35 ◼   ► - Waxing?

01:06:36 ◼   ► - I think we need another year.

01:06:38 ◼   ► - Waxing or waning?

01:06:39 ◼   ► Which one means getting smaller?

01:06:40 ◼   ► - Waning.

01:06:41 ◼   ► You don't even trust me, do you?

01:06:43 ◼   ► I don't know why you asked me, but it is waning.

01:06:46 ◼   ► I feel like you need to give it another year for developers to really understand auto-layout

01:06:52 ◼   ► because clearly quite a lot of them ignored it.

01:06:55 ◼   ► It's like, "Eh, it'll be fine."

01:06:57 ◼   ► Remember the time you made fun of what we bought for an hour?

01:07:01 ◼   ► Nobody disagreed with me vehemently.

01:07:04 ◼   ► So I mean, it's clear, right?

01:07:07 ◼   ► And I'm not saying that I know better than everybody, but some developers decided to

01:07:13 ◼   ► follow the auto-layout rules and some of them didn't.

01:07:15 ◼   ► the ones that didn't now are working really, really hard.

01:07:18 ◼   ► I'm looking at you, Google, right?

01:07:19 ◼   ► I'm just looking straight at you

01:07:21 ◼   ► because I don't know what you're doing over there,

01:07:23 ◼   ► but I don't understand why my apps still look like this,

01:07:27 ◼   ► why I'm still using Fisher Price keyboards.

01:07:29 ◼   ► Fisher Price is the word of the day.

01:07:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're gonna sue us.

01:07:32 ◼   ► - God, they're gonna sponsor.

01:07:34 ◼   ► Yeah, it's one or the other.

01:07:36 ◼   ► What about Apple Pay, right?

01:07:41 ◼   ► I saw a dumb rumor about this.

01:07:44 ◼   ► Apple Pay and an iPad.

01:07:46 ◼   ► - Whatever, I totally wanna pay with a 12 inch iPad.

01:07:48 ◼   ► - Cool.

01:07:49 ◼   ► - Oh, a good thing I brought my iMacs I can pay with.

01:07:52 ◼   ► Have you ever picked up a 27 inch iMac?

01:07:55 ◼   ► It's like picking up a car.

01:07:56 ◼   ► - I had to--

01:07:57 ◼   ► - And like, drop it on the Starbucks counter

01:07:59 ◼   ► and like a barista cuts herself on the glass.

01:08:01 ◼   ► Like, this is not gonna go well.

01:08:02 ◼   ► - I bought a 27 inch iMac

01:08:03 ◼   ► and then had to carry it home on the tube

01:08:05 ◼   ► and I honestly thought my arms were gonna break off.

01:08:08 ◼   ► - Did you think you were gonna get mugged?

01:08:09 ◼   ► You can't like hide that in your bag.

01:08:11 ◼   ► I was walking along the streets of London with this huge box.

01:08:15 ◼   ► There's no easy way to hold it.

01:08:16 ◼   ► I don't want to hold it by the handle

01:08:17 ◼   ► because I was confident the handle was just going to snap.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the new thin IMAX.

01:08:26 ◼   ► Can I tell you about this?

01:08:27 ◼   ► The new thin IMAX that are dumb because you can't upgrade the RAM.

01:08:31 ◼   ► Can we go back to this again?

01:08:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it was like two years ago.

01:08:34 ◼   ► The boxes are trapezoidal, so you can't stack them on each other.

01:08:37 ◼   ► Like, it's insane.

01:08:40 ◼   ► and they open like a garage door

01:08:42 ◼   ► and it's the worst thing in the world.

01:08:43 ◼   ► - Can't you like do some weird stacking

01:08:45 ◼   ► where you do one and then turn the other one upside down?

01:08:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, and then when you open it,

01:08:48 ◼   ► your iMac falls out and it explodes.

01:08:49 ◼   ► And people in the chat room are saying

01:08:51 ◼   ► the iPad won't have NFC.

01:08:52 ◼   ► And I just don't know about that

01:08:53 ◼   ► because this guy's Twitter handle is crazy.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Let's see, touch ID enabled iPads

01:08:58 ◼   ► get the same setup screen without the part, oh, oh.

01:09:01 ◼   ► Someone's been poking my eye, I was eight.

01:09:03 ◼   ► - What's happening?

01:09:04 ◼   ► - I don't know, it's in the chat.

01:09:05 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, this ham's a suede person.

01:09:09 ◼   ► I've seen them today.

01:09:11 ◼   ► Did he? Was he yellow with one eye?

01:09:13 ◼   ► Well, he's a despicable meeko. He's in London, you may have actually seen him.

01:09:18 ◼   ► There have been many

01:09:20 ◼   ► tweets from this person, like hacking into iOS.

01:09:24 ◼   ► Like showing what the

01:09:26 ◼   ► Apple Pay setup

01:09:28 ◼   ► information is going to be like.

01:09:30 ◼   ► And

01:09:31 ◼   ► loads of just interesting things.

01:09:34 ◼   ► I should follow this person.

01:09:35 ◼   ► they are digging around and they are having a great time.

01:09:39 ◼   ► - Until Apple bombs your house with a drone.

01:09:43 ◼   ► - Is that what they do?

01:09:44 ◼   ► - I don't know, I don't work there anymore.

01:09:46 ◼   ► Are we done?

01:09:47 ◼   ► I feel like this shit ended up going down again.

01:09:48 ◼   ► - No, this is, it's just getting good.

01:09:50 ◼   ► - It is.

01:09:51 ◼   ► - I'd, I--

01:09:53 ◼   ► - How's your CES?

01:09:55 ◼   ► - Great.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Yo S10, Yo 70, are we gonna get, what's gonna happen?

01:10:01 ◼   ► Is it gonna ship next week?

01:10:03 ◼   ► - I hope not.

01:10:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:10:06 ◼   ► Don't ask me how many of you is.

01:10:08 ◼   ► Last year they did it, they dropped Yosemite

01:10:13 ◼   ► on the day of the event, or Mavericks last year,

01:10:18 ◼   ► whatever the old one was.

01:10:19 ◼   ► I would say that they could do it at the event

01:10:23 ◼   ► unless there's new Mac hardware,

01:10:25 ◼   ► in which case they will say,

01:10:28 ◼   ► "Hey, order the new 12 inch Mac ProCare,

01:10:31 ◼   ► "or the new RedNet iMac.

01:10:32 ◼   ► they ship next Friday in Yosemite ships with them so we'll see. There's been

01:10:39 ◼   ► like 19 goldmaster releases so I don't know what's happening over there.

01:10:43 ◼   ► Could, yeah I love I love goldmaster too. It's not either way it's supposed to work.

01:10:48 ◼   ► I love it it's like because the first one wasn't golden enough. But a Mac right?

01:10:55 ◼   ► Mac hardware couldn't they just say shipping today? They could. And so they

01:11:00 ◼   ► would just do it anyway?

01:11:02 ◼   ► They did, I mean, yes, for sure.

01:11:04 ◼   ► My guess is that we will probably see

01:11:06 ◼   ► Yosemite on the 16th, but

01:11:08 ◼   ► I don't know. That's not the date I

01:11:10 ◼   ► that had floated around earlier

01:11:12 ◼   ► that I had seen, so.

01:11:14 ◼   ► When you say your review isn't ready

01:11:16 ◼   ► are you actually doing a review?

01:11:18 ◼   ► I've done like four now.

01:11:20 ◼   ► Well I don't know if you're doing one, you said you were just doing

01:11:22 ◼   ► a design one. Yeah, that's what it's

01:11:24 ◼   ► going to become I think. Right. Because

01:11:26 ◼   ► the design section is really finished and the other

01:11:28 ◼   ► stuff is really not finished so I think that's what I'm going to do.

01:11:31 ◼   ► The Mavericks review is still the longest thing ever posted on my site.

01:11:37 ◼   ► You should read it.

01:11:38 ◼   ► There's jokes about you in it. I think I did read it.

01:11:41 ◼   ► There weren't any videos. And I read Syracuse's.

01:11:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:47 ◼   ► Oh no, I blame Matthew Alexander.

01:11:49 ◼   ► And I will do that again.

01:11:50 ◼   ► This, oh...

01:11:52 ◼   ► Look what's in

01:11:54 ◼   ► footnote one.

01:11:56 ◼   ► I'm going to link directly to the footnote in the show notes because people should definitely

01:11:58 ◼   ► watch that video.

01:12:00 ◼   ► Can you please?

01:12:01 ◼   ► Too late.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Okay, what are we even doing now?

01:12:07 ◼   ► Have you run Yosemite?

01:12:09 ◼   ► I've ran the first preview, the, what do they call it?

01:12:16 ◼   ► The WWDC?

01:12:17 ◼   ► For the normal people.

01:12:19 ◼   ► Public beta.

01:12:21 ◼   ► I ran the first public beta just so I could try out the app previews because that seemed

01:12:27 ◼   ► like a really good idea.

01:12:29 ◼   ► Then I got too busy with this relay thing.

01:12:32 ◼   ► So I've not pursued app previews but I may start looking at app previews again.

01:12:37 ◼   ► As in selling my voice to app previews.

01:12:40 ◼   ► So you really didn't answer, are you still running it with somebody?

01:12:42 ◼   ► I put it on an external hard drive.

01:12:45 ◼   ► Good boy.

01:12:47 ◼   ► And I ran it that one day.

01:12:50 ◼   ► I may have accidentally signed up for iCloud Drive, ruined everything.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Sped through that. Uh-huh and clear what still won't sync and have not used it since.

01:13:07 ◼   ► Good times. So now I'm waiting. I'm running it full-time. I have been for a while now.

01:13:14 ◼   ► How do you feel about it now you're using it on a retina? That's so much

01:13:19 ◼   ► better. It looks really bad on a non-retina machine. It looks really good

01:13:23 ◼   ► on a retina machine. Does it look really bad or does it not look as good? It's muddy.

01:13:28 ◼   ► Like, I mean the colors are fine. Helvetica just doesn't do very well. It's

01:13:32 ◼   ► sort of gross in places. So isn't it maybe the wrong time to go to Helvetica?

01:13:39 ◼   ► Yeah. Because what's the portion of Macs that have got retina screens? Like all of

01:13:45 ◼   ► them except the ones that don't. It's like the MacBook Pros. It's not a lot. It's not,

01:13:50 ◼   ► yeah. Yeah. It's not a ton of them. So if you don't own a MacBook Pro from the last

01:13:55 ◼   ► couple of years. Sort of Mavics forever. It's gonna look terrible. It's not awful but once

01:14:03 ◼   ► you get into it on a retina machine you don't want to go back. Yeah it's fine. I mean gold

01:14:12 ◼   ► master jokes aside it's pretty stable at this point it's it's it's pretty much

01:14:15 ◼   ► ready to go I think. Really? Except for the part where finder sometimes doesn't

01:14:22 ◼   ► start and you have to reboot your computer because you don't because you

01:14:26 ◼   ► don't have a finder anymore. Seems like a pretty big thing. That's fine.

01:14:31 ◼   ► You don't need finder. The finder icon is the worst part about you somebody.

01:14:37 ◼   ► just review the finder app icon. I love the finder app icon it looks so happy and it makes

01:14:45 ◼   ► me feel happy. It's meth doubt! Not good. That's what I like he's blue like the meth.

01:14:52 ◼   ► You know it's so good. It's dark mode still look horrible. It's not it's not good. It's

01:15:01 ◼   ► It's not good at all.

01:15:06 ◼   ► Third party icons that live in the minibar obviously need updating so a lot of it is

01:15:10 ◼   ► sort of grossness there but it just looks, I don't know, like the contrast is really

01:15:14 ◼   ► weird in places and it's kind of harsh when you hover over it in the blue or grey appearance

01:15:21 ◼   ► theme.

01:15:22 ◼   ► Sometimes the edges look weird.

01:15:23 ◼   ► I don't know, I'm not a fan, I've not been running it in dark mode, I don't plan on it.

01:15:30 ◼   ► If you'd like to find the show notes for this week's episode of Connected, you should point

01:15:34 ◼   ► your web navigator to relay.fm/connected/8.

01:15:37 ◼   ► That's the way you're going to find all the show notes.

01:15:44 ◼   ► If you would like to catch up with Mr. Stephen Hackett and what he does on the internet,

01:15:47 ◼   ► then you should go to Twitter and follow him.

01:15:50 ◼   ► He's @ismh on Twitter and he writes over at 512pixels.net.

01:15:55 ◼   ► I am Myke Hurley.

01:15:56 ◼   ► I am @imike.

01:15:57 ◼   ► I am YKE.

01:15:58 ◼   ► I host a cavalcade of podcasts at relay.fm.

01:16:03 ◼   ► If you go there and click everything except Clockwise, which you should be

01:16:09 ◼   ► listening to, by the way, you will hear my voice.

01:16:11 ◼   ► If sometimes if you click specific episodes of Clockwise, you will also

01:16:16 ◼   ► hear my voice, but I'm not there all the time, but you should be listening to that

01:16:19 ◼   ► show anyway, because that's a great addition to the network.

01:16:22 ◼   ► So thank you.

01:16:23 ◼   ► What has happened?

01:16:24 ◼   ► Thank you to Jason Snell and Dan Morin for bringing that over.

01:16:27 ◼   ► I'm trying to think of some other things to say.

01:16:32 ◼   ► I will soon be funemployed as part of Real AFM so that'll be great.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Really looking forward to that.

01:16:40 ◼   ► About four and a bit weeks.

01:16:43 ◼   ► I'm just filling time now.

01:16:44 ◼   ► This is quite fun.

01:16:45 ◼   ► >> Just read our Twitter handles and we get home.

01:16:47 ◼   ► >> I've already done it.

01:16:48 ◼   ► If you'd like to find Federico Vittucci, he's at maxstories.net and he is @vittucci.

01:16:54 ◼   ► you'd like to find Casey Liss just... CaseyLiss.com? I don't know I don't know.

01:17:04 ◼   ► He's @CaseyLiss on Twitter that's C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S. That's Casey Liss and he hosts

01:17:09 ◼   ► Analogue on Real AFM. Anybody else? John Gruber he's @Gruber on Twitter and

01:17:20 ◼   ► and he writes it during Fireball.

01:17:21 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:17:23 ◼   ► I think that's about it.

01:17:24 ◼   ► That's everybody I think that you need to know.

01:17:26 ◼   ► We'll be back next week with Federico hopefully

01:17:29 ◼   ► so we can try and restore some order to this podcast.

01:17:32 ◼   ► Until then, say goodbye Steven.

01:17:35 ◼   ► - Adios.