2: The Pasta and The Pizza and The Sauce


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00:00:08   Hello and welcome to episode two of Connected on Relay FM. This episode is brought to you by

00:00:13   OmniGraffle, Igloo and Blogo. My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by my partners in crime

00:00:20   Mr Federico Vittucci. Hello Federico. Hey Myke. And Mr Stephen Hackett. Hello.

00:00:26   How we doing guys? Episode number two! We made it!

00:00:29   Dose.

00:00:30   Can we start displaying episodes on the website using Roman numbers?

00:00:38   I feel like that would be more epic.

00:00:42   This is the problem with us now having complete control. It's now Federico conferring these

00:00:47   insane ideas and we have to find a reason to tell him "No, we can't" as opposed to just being like

00:00:52   "Eh, it's not that we're controlling."

00:00:52   How about we're out of money for now? That's a pretty good reason.

00:00:56   I like that one, that works.

00:00:59   But what we'll do with Federico, we'll put that on the back burner and we'll investigate

00:01:03   Roman numerals at a later date.

00:01:05   So we're putting it in the parking lot.

00:01:07   Some people would say that, some people would say that.

00:01:10   So we'll go back to this idea.

00:01:12   Yeah, it's on an index card.

00:01:15   So before we do follow up Federico, you had a pretty exciting day today with a launch.

00:01:20   What is going on?

00:01:22   Yeah, so basically I helped my girlfriend.

00:01:28   She's Aylis on Twitter, A-Y-L-Y-S. And she's

00:01:35   been working on this set of icons for OmniFocus 2.

00:01:38   And basically she made this insane huge set of icons

00:01:45   to modify the perspectives in OmniFocus 2.

00:01:48   And these are 100 icons in five colors and two resolutions.

00:01:53   You can change.

00:01:54   You can customize the perspectives in OmniFocus.

00:01:56   You can apply the icons that you prefer.

00:01:59   So it's a little icon pack-- not so little, I guess.

00:02:04   It's an icon pack to customize your OmniFocus 2 experience.

00:02:07   And these icons can sync from the Mac to iOS.

00:02:12   And it's actually the second version of the set

00:02:16   that we call Perspective Icons.

00:02:17   The first one came out in 2012.

00:02:19   It was a huge success for us.

00:02:21   And now this new, this one is a new version.

00:02:24   It's just for OmniFocus 2.

00:02:26   We've been, I've been helping her with the design ideas

00:02:30   and actually I just provide ideas because she does the design

00:02:34   and I'm just, I guess, bothering her.

00:02:36   - You're icon director.

00:02:38   That's your role.

00:02:40   (laughing)

00:02:41   - Yeah, I'm an icon director, okay.

00:02:45   No, really, I just like to help out for feedback and stuff that goes on the website, the copy

00:02:51   and the blog posts and that kind of stuff.

00:02:54   And so if you want to check it out, if you have OmniFocus 2, they can also be used for

00:03:01   other apps, like on the website we have screenshots showing these icons with MindNode, which is

00:03:06   the mindmapping app, and Alfred, the application launcher for the Mac.

00:03:11   So if you want to check it out, the website is called iconsandcoffee.com.

00:03:15   You can guess who is the icons and who is the coffee here.

00:03:21   And they're called Perspective Icons 2.

00:03:24   You will see a banner on the homepage.

00:03:29   It was a pretty insane week because we were preparing the launch and contacting people,

00:03:36   the blog posts and screenshots and the website.

00:03:40   It's a lot of stuff to work on, especially if you're just two people.

00:03:47   I have to think about other stuff like backstory and the show.

00:03:52   I need to catch up on some sleep, probably cut down on the espresso, the daily intake

00:03:58   of coffee, but otherwise it's been a great day.

00:04:02   Thank you for letting me mention the project.

00:04:07   awesome and it's you know you showed us some some examples a while back and they

00:04:13   really are good looking and what's cool is you don't just have these inframany

00:04:16   focus you can use them really anywhere you can stick an icon so definitely well

00:04:22   worth checking out. We have a mountain I think metric it's called a ton with a

00:04:33   a double N and an E. Yeah. So a lot of follow up about the iPod and we're going to start

00:04:40   off with the name itself. So a lot of people, Michael Ruggerson was the lucky guy to get

00:04:47   his tweet in the show notes, but a lot of people say portable on demand is what the

00:04:54   what pod stood for. So they got iPod adding an I to the beginning of an acronym for portable

00:05:00   on demand. However according to an article on Wired magazine that's not

00:05:06   really where the name came from and it might be a nice coincidence but this

00:05:12   article on Wired says that it was offered up by a freelance copywriter who

00:05:15   is helping Apple work on the the marketing and the idea was to Federico's

00:05:22   point that the Mac was the hub and you know hub is kind of like a space station

00:05:28   or a spaceship and you have this little vessel like a pod that kind of goes back

00:05:33   and forth which I think is probably Federico where that where the idea came

00:05:38   to in your mind so that's that's you know the quote you know open the pod bay

00:05:42   door how from Space Odyssey 2001 not so much playable on demand at least

00:05:48   according to this article so kind of Federico was that freelance copywriter

00:05:54   maybe that's how he knows maybe maybe in my in my previous life I I chose the

00:06:03   name for the iPod who knows we also have gotten a lot of photos from people using

00:06:12   old iPods so one from Adam on Twitter episode 1 of connected playing on a

00:06:21   first-generation iPod yeah that was we awesome we did get a bunch of photos but

00:06:28   I think this was my favorite I think this is the there were a bunch of people

00:06:31   that were sending in there like the show playing on iPods or just like their old

00:06:35   iPods but this was like the major above for those things yeah it was like

00:06:40   episode one of connected playing on the original iPod thank you Adam for doing

00:06:45   that and we're gonna put a link to that along of all of our other links into

00:06:49   today's show notes Federico. Oh God. Federico where would somebody find the show notes?

00:06:59   Well the show notes are, well first they are a piece of material that you can find in textual

00:07:05   form on the website, on the web. So if you're so inclined to go on the web and to surf to

00:07:14   the Relay FM website, you would go to relay.fm/connected/2 and you will find the show notes that you

00:07:26   are looking for.

00:07:27   That's the best description of where to find show notes.

00:07:30   I think I've never heard.

00:07:31   I think you were stalling while poking around the website.

00:07:34   No, no, no, no.

00:07:36   Not at all.

00:07:38   Why don't you trust me, Steven?

00:07:41   I trust you completely.

00:07:42   I do wish however you would stop leaving and joining the Google document.

00:07:46   It's freaking out.

00:07:51   It's like your face keeps disappearing and reappearing.

00:07:53   It's very exciting.

00:07:56   So the next chunk of iPod follow up is about skip protection, which I believe the exact

00:08:02   quote from Myke was, "I don't know how it works, so we're going to move past it."

00:08:08   - Yeah, that was my way of dealing with the conversation,

00:08:12   which is to ignore the conversation.

00:08:14   - So I went to the K-Bass as one does,

00:08:18   and I would like to read you

00:08:21   from frequently asked question number nine about the iPod.

00:08:24   The question is, "Can I use iPod while running

00:08:27   "or doing other activities?

00:08:28   "Will my music skip?

00:08:30   "Answer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:33   "iPod offers a 20 minute of skip protection,

00:08:35   twice that of any hard drive base blah blah blah blah blah.

00:08:39   Not really all that exciting.

00:08:41   The real fun question is number 10.

00:08:45   How does it work?

00:08:46   So it says like we spoke about, the iPod has a memory cache, it has made a solid state

00:08:51   memory meaning it has no mechanical moving parts blah blah blah.

00:08:54   iPod skip protection works by preloading up to 25 minutes of music to the cache at a time.

00:09:00   iPod plays music from the memory cache rather than the hard drive so even rigorous activities

00:09:05   won't cause music to skip.

00:09:06   So more or less what we talked about,

00:09:08   where it preloads and then plays from that.

00:09:10   And so every 20 or 25 minutes, the hard drive spins up.

00:09:13   Of course, if you're listening to shuffle

00:09:15   or bouncing around your music,

00:09:19   that is a little less effective.

00:09:21   And of course now it only matters to me

00:09:23   'cause according to ATP,

00:09:25   might be the only person with an iPod Classic, so.

00:09:27   - I do have an iPod Classic under my desk.

00:09:33   - Is it keeping it level?

00:09:35   Now I think it's, I don't know if it's broken or not.

00:09:38   I just don't use it.

00:09:40   - Yeah. - Because you actually

00:09:42   use your iPod Classic.

00:09:44   - Mostly in the car, but yes.

00:09:46   Yeah.

00:09:49   So, a little more on this.

00:09:54   We have a tweet from Michael somebody,

00:09:59   Baron, Baron Bach?

00:10:03   who in addition to you know obviously Apple spun it as hey you can be really

00:10:07   active with it and it's really good

00:10:09   Michael's point is that the real reason is that the hard drive had a pretty big

00:10:13   power draw as well and that

00:10:14   you know pulling music from solid-state memory

00:10:17   is uh...

00:10:19   is less power intensive so the battery can last longer

00:10:22   it's kind of a you know a dual uh... dual purpose which is

00:10:25   which is really nice

00:10:28   uh...

00:10:29   I guess really uh... two more links and then Myke you can tell us about this email

00:10:33   this awesome email that we got.

00:10:34   - Oh yeah.

00:10:35   - So minimallyminimal.com,

00:10:40   which is the hardest website name to read.

00:10:42   There's always like really nice photo essays on this website.

00:10:47   So the one of the show notes is to the iPod mini,

00:10:49   they have a silver one.

00:10:51   And it's a lot of like really nice photos of it

00:10:53   along with like the iSight camera and some iPhones

00:10:55   kind of putting it in place with other products.

00:10:58   And we spoke about last week

00:11:00   how the iPod mini was a fashion accessory.

00:11:02   Like, when you look at these pictures, like the personality that it has really comes out.

00:11:08   You know, that it is a device with personality and a device that you connect to.

00:11:14   It's a really great photo essay.

00:11:16   All of these photo essays on this site are really well done.

00:11:19   This isn't in your RSS reader, it really should be.

00:11:22   Wasn't this the guy who did the surface redesign that got hired by Microsoft for Xbox?

00:11:27   I'm not sure.

00:11:28   Maybe the chatroom knows that.

00:11:29   I don't know.

00:11:30   I think that's the case.

00:11:31   You have good memory, Myke.

00:11:33   Does that ring a bell with you, Federico?

00:11:35   Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

00:11:37   I'm not sure about this website, but I do remember one guy.

00:11:40   You know, I think this guy actually didn't...

00:11:44   He's not the same guy you did the office redesign with the space wallpapers.

00:11:48   You remember those?

00:11:49   Yeah.

00:11:50   Like, office on the moon.

00:11:52   Well, no, people were telling in the chat room, Carl's the Grey.

00:11:55   The same guy?

00:11:56   the Grey, the wizard who is, has just told me that yeah it's him.

00:12:02   Kyle's next in our show notes.

00:12:04   Whoa.

00:12:05   That's serendipity.

00:12:06   See I told you there's Microsoft 2012, there's the Microsoft logo on the moon and stuff.

00:12:13   I do remember correctly, I just thought it was another guy.

00:12:17   Yes.

00:12:18   So Kyle wrote this really great article about the iPod Nano, how it was, you know, influential

00:12:26   in his life. It's sad that he was in fifth grade when the iPod nano came out. I think

00:12:31   Kyle's like 15. He talks about sex appeal in the fifth grade which is kind of weird

00:12:37   but a nice article. Bye everyone! See you next week!

00:12:47   Well, Relay FM was a good idea. An article that really is nice in what we were talking

00:12:55   about how the iPod struck a whole generation of people sort of in a very profound way and

00:13:01   I think that was Kyle's experience and I think it's the experience of people who have been

00:13:05   sitting in pictures right like you don't keep around your first generation you know magic

00:13:12   mouse or something right like this is a device that people care about and unless you're Steven

00:13:16   yeah you know I have I'm doing it for historical research sure but uh you know

00:13:27   that idea that you know you have all your music with you you know just like

00:13:30   we talked about I think that really hits home for a lot of people I think that's

00:13:34   why the iPod is still even though it might not important to Apple's bottom

00:13:38   line like I can't help but think the company itself might have a little bit

00:13:44   of that still, that they themselves have a sense of connection, if you will, to the device

00:13:53   that they can't shake.

00:13:57   So the next part of the follow-up came to me directly via a secret channel.

00:14:04   And this is from Elliot, who is @skipperel on Twitter.

00:14:08   If you all allow me, gentlemen, I'd like to read a part of this amazing email.

00:14:12   So what Elliot says, he says he was actually working as an intern at Sony in Tokyo when

00:14:19   the iPod was released in a group that was doing music software and weird music hardware

00:14:23   like PCs and mini-disc drives and speaker outlets and stuff like that.

00:14:28   Which is incredible.

00:14:29   Sony is so, like there was an article on the Verge about weird Sony, like they do crazy

00:14:35   things.

00:14:36   Anyways.

00:14:37   So shortly after the iPod was released someone brought one into the office that he was working

00:14:40   and everybody gathered around. Everyone had kinds... they had all over the place all kinds of weird

00:14:48   portable music players that they were developing. Some, Elliot says, were pretty neat. Many never

00:14:53   saw the light of day for various, various weird reasons. But everyone there was fascinated by

00:14:59   the iPod. Elliot says, and I'm going to quote this part, "I think it was apparent that it was going to

00:15:03   be a big deal and it was going to hurt Sony. It was obvious to me at the time and at that moment

00:15:08   that they were kind of screwed.

00:15:10   In many ways, that was the beginning

00:15:11   of the end for them in that domain, which

00:15:13   was shocking considering how significant the Walkman had

00:15:16   been up until that point.

00:15:17   I think it's just a nice way of putting it into context.

00:15:20   Clearly, Sony were working on stuff,

00:15:22   but the things that they were working on

00:15:24   just simply weren't as good.

00:15:26   >>And especially for context, it's funny to remember

00:15:29   that when Sony introduced the PSP in 2004, I'm going to say,

00:15:37   They tried to present the PSP, which is the PlayStation Portable, as the next generation Walkman,

00:15:44   which of course failed because of Sony's decision to rely on UMD, which were a proprietary disk format for the PSP.

00:15:53   So it appears to me that Sony, like other companies such as Blackberry,

00:16:01   they are kind of aware of the future and where the competition is going and what people are going to want

00:16:08   but then for some reason they remain stuck on their own old principles and ideas

00:16:15   because after the iPod you cannot imagine that people will want a PSP as their everyday portable media device

00:16:26   that's just unreasonable to expect people to use that

00:16:30   So the PSP had many problems and reading this email and the Walkman reference, I remember

00:16:37   that Sony is the kind of company that when it comes to phones and portable devices for

00:16:44   music, they never quite understood the future.

00:16:50   And there's also an argument that you can make about the PS Vita, but we have another

00:16:55   show for that, I guess.

00:16:57   Sorry, Steven.

00:16:58   No, that's fine.

00:17:01   That show is virtual on Relay FM.

00:17:03   Is that your announcer voice?

00:17:06   Apparently so.

00:17:07   It's good.

00:17:08   Do you change personalities when you do those voices?

00:17:11   I change personalities for every show.

00:17:14   This week on Connected.

00:17:19   So yeah, that's iPod follow-up.

00:17:22   That's all follow-up.

00:17:23   Well, we only have one episode, so the follow-up can only therefore be about one thing.

00:17:28   Yeah, because everything was about the iPod.

00:17:31   Yeah.

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00:20:07   So gentlemen, topic zero.

00:20:14   Have we explained what topic zero is before?

00:20:17   Probably not.

00:20:18   So we plan ahead, but then today especially is a very busy day.

00:20:22   And so topic zero is often like things that we weren't going to talk about, but we're

00:20:27   going to talk about now.

00:20:29   And so Federico, you kind of want to walk us through what Dropbox did this morning?

00:20:34   Yes.

00:20:35   The too long, didn't read version is that Dropbox has been cutting costs on the Pro subscription,

00:20:43   so you can now pay 10 bucks a month and you get 1TB of storage.

00:20:49   The longer version is that the Pro Dropbox subscription is cheaper for 1TB, the 100GB

00:20:58   plan has gone away.

00:21:01   Dropbox is cheaper than Google Drive if you want to pay on an annual basis, so you only pay 99 bucks

00:21:08   if you want to buy 12 months of Dropbox Pro.

00:21:11   And the Pro version gets you extra features, such as the possibility to assign passwords to shared links

00:21:19   to control the people that can access a shared folder, whether they can view or edit the contents of a folder.

00:21:28   you can remotely wipe a device that's connected to Dropbox.

00:21:32   So if you use your iPhone or your iPad or a Mac

00:21:36   or if you're a set person, an Android device,

00:21:39   you can remotely wipe the Dropbox app

00:21:42   from another computer.

00:21:44   And the next time the Dropbox client on that device

00:21:48   is launched, it will be automatically erased

00:21:51   from the cloud.

00:21:53   And what else?

00:21:55   There are other features, such as--

00:21:57   there's the old packrat add-on for Pro customers which allowed you to

00:22:03   essentially keep an unlimited history of changes to your files in Dropbox as

00:22:10   being changed with this transition to Dropbox Pro and it has been

00:22:15   reduced to one year of version history for files and it's

00:22:21   called extended version history and this has upset some people and the basics

00:22:27   of the Dropbox Pro, you pay on a month-by-month basis, you can pay an annual subscription,

00:22:36   you can still upgrade to Dropbox for business, but that's for companies and small teams and

00:22:42   such.

00:22:44   The basic idea is that Dropbox is now as competitive, at least from a price point perspective, as

00:22:50   Google Drive and is actually cheaper if you want to pay for 12 months right away.

00:22:56   And personally, I think this is a great move because, I mean, one terabyte of storage for

00:23:03   10 bucks a month is pretty much a standard at this point.

00:23:07   And I'm glad to see that they are starting to add extra features to the Dropbox website

00:23:11   and apps because they have been kind of slow in terms of new features for consumers.

00:23:22   have been adding new APIs and new developer features over the past couple of years, but

00:23:27   really for consumers they haven't added much new groundbreaking stuff. I mean Dropbox is

00:23:32   still Dropbox, it's just a folder that connects to apps. So I'm glad to see new consumer features.

00:23:38   And I am going to buy a Pro subscription again. I don't have it right now because I have tons

00:23:47   of storage and I didn't really need it, but the extra features for the links and the passwords

00:23:53   and the permission controls and the extender history, I want those, so I'm going to upgrade

00:24:00   it again. Also because I don't think I'm going to use iCloud Drive much, which is coming with

00:24:05   iOS 8 and Yosemite, hopefully next month. So what are you guys going to do? Are you

00:24:11   You guys gonna stick it out with the free version, try iCalc drive, switch to Google

00:24:17   drive, switch to Amazon.

00:24:19   Yeah, I'm gonna put everything on S3 and pay every time I need to access it.

00:24:23   No, I am.

00:24:24   You can switch to Picasa.

00:24:26   No, no, what's the name?

00:24:30   Not Picasa.

00:24:31   What's the name of the weird startup that gave you like unlimited storage?

00:24:35   Picture life?

00:24:36   No, no, no, no, no.

00:24:39   Like infinite storage.

00:24:40   That's the tagline.

00:24:42   BitKaza, I think.

00:24:44   You guys remember that?

00:24:45   BitKaza.

00:24:46   Yeah.

00:24:47   I don't.

00:24:48   I don't remember that.

00:24:49   It's like infinite drive.

00:24:50   Infinite drive, your external hard drive in the cloud.

00:24:53   Yeah.

00:24:54   You could switch to one of these startups like copy.com just on principle.

00:25:00   I don't know.

00:25:03   I'm not going to do anything yet.

00:25:05   I also, like you, have lots of storage.

00:25:09   I would be much more comfortable paying the $9.99 a month.

00:25:12   I can't remember how much Dropbox was before,

00:25:15   but I remember thinking it was maybe,

00:25:17   I don't know, it just felt a little expensive to me.

00:25:21   So $9.99 a month for it, it's fantastic,

00:25:25   especially for that sort of storage size.

00:25:28   I don't know if, I mean, I'm not even using

00:25:31   my current space, whatever that is.

00:25:33   And I'm kind of interested to see

00:25:37   what I move to iCloud Drive.

00:25:39   I put my photos in Dropbox at the moment.

00:25:41   I don't plan on doing that.

00:25:43   I would like to move them to Apple solution

00:25:45   whenever is a good time to do that.

00:25:48   - So it took two episodes to get the photo management.

00:25:50   - Yep.

00:25:51   - Yeah, I actually wanted to mention these as well.

00:25:53   So I'll go after Myke.

00:25:54   So you've seen one.

00:25:55   - I will continue to use Dropbox as my file system.

00:25:59   And once I get better internet,

00:26:01   I imagine putting more larger files in Dropbox

00:26:05   than I do at the moment.

00:26:06   You know, like more like logic project files

00:26:08   and stuff like that, which I'm not doing right now,

00:26:11   because my upload speed is too bad.

00:26:13   I basically would never be able to record

00:26:15   because you'd never hear me.

00:26:16   But yeah, I think that this is a fantastic move.

00:26:21   I'm really pleased that they've sort of

00:26:23   standardized the price in a bit more.

00:26:25   - So right now I'm still using Dropbox

00:26:27   for photo management and storage with Picture Live

00:26:31   as a kind of backup and fancier web view.

00:26:36   But I've been talking about this with my MacSorries teammates.

00:26:41   And basically, I'm torn between my willingness

00:26:46   to give Apple a second chance with iCloud Photo

00:26:49   Library and iCloud Drive.

00:26:51   But also, I'm scared by Apple's previous track record

00:26:56   when it comes to the cloud.

00:26:57   So right now, I have 20 gigs of photos.

00:26:59   What do I do?

00:27:00   Do I simply drag and drop them into the Photos app for iOS 8?

00:27:04   Am I going to make the app explode?

00:27:07   Will it work?

00:27:08   Can I buy a storage plan already?

00:27:12   So I wanted to try iCloud Photo Library for my iOS 8

00:27:16   coverage, which is coming together quite nicely.

00:27:19   But I also don't want to trust Apple as a single place for all

00:27:24   my photos.

00:27:25   So on the other hand, am I going to end up

00:27:27   with photos on Dropbox, Picture Life, and Apple?

00:27:31   That's a bit much maybe, even for me.

00:27:33   So I really don't know what to do.

00:27:35   Maybe I'll just switch to a hard drive

00:27:37   and let's see, I'm just gonna, you know,

00:27:40   - I've heard. - cut my connection

00:27:41   from the cloud and be, you know.

00:27:44   - I've heard that you can make an iPod

00:27:46   act like a hard drive, so.

00:27:47   - See, see, that's an idea.

00:27:49   I could resurrect my--

00:27:50   - So many people were upset at me

00:27:52   because I thought that was funny, like all ridiculous.

00:27:56   They were like, "No, these are the reasons,"

00:27:57   or "I love that," and I'm like, "No, it's cool, man,

00:27:59   "I get it," but it wasn't for me.

00:28:03   So some more iOS 8 kind of centric news today, smile kind of introduced the text expander

00:28:12   keyboard for iOS 8.

00:28:13   So it works kind of how you think it would work in their video.

00:28:19   You know it knows all your snippets so you type a snippet and it fires the expansion

00:28:23   and because it's a keyboard it can work in every application.

00:28:28   many people probably know. Currently TextExpander, like a third-party

00:28:33   developer has to integrate the TextExpander SDK and there's X callback URL

00:28:38   to sync and it's sort of siloed off but with the keyboard you could use a

00:28:43   TextExpander snippet in Mail or in Safari or in Evernote or any app sort of

00:28:49   without that SDK. Which is really interesting. You know one thing in

00:28:55   Federico I wanted to ask you about this out of the three of us you spent the

00:28:59   most time with iOS 8 and I don't even know if there are keyboards in the beta

00:29:03   yet but I don't want to have to switch between keyboards like all the time you

00:29:11   know like on my phone especially I'm really interested in like a swiping

00:29:15   keyboard I really like that on Android phones that I've used and I will have

00:29:19   the tech expander one because I do use it heavily but do you think it's going

00:29:23   to be a pain in the rear to switch between keyboards several times, maybe even to do

00:29:27   just one task?

00:29:28   Yes, and you're going to have a problem because there are going to be lots of keyboards. So

00:29:33   basically what I'm seeing right now, and I've been testing like four or five keyboards for

00:29:37   iOS 8, and I'm supposed to get more in the next week, this is not a humblebrag, it's

00:29:42   just work.

00:29:43   No, no, it's like the...

00:29:44   I've been testing it for some time.

00:29:46   No, no, you know, it's just, I gotta do this for a living. So basically what I'm seeing

00:29:51   is that on a smaller scale, we're

00:29:55   going to get the same App Store scenario of 2008.

00:29:59   There's going to be lots of new players in the keyboard field,

00:30:02   and you're going to want to check out all the keyboards.

00:30:05   Because you're a nerd, and you're a geek,

00:30:09   and you want to try all the new stuff.

00:30:11   And there's going to be lots of keyboards.

00:30:13   There's going to be the keyboards with the swipe.

00:30:15   There's going to be the keyboards that correct

00:30:19   your grammar and your spelling in the text.

00:30:21   is going to be Texas Panda.

00:30:22   Oh, man, I'm getting those.

00:30:24   See?

00:30:25   And of course you're going to want to try all the keyboards.

00:30:28   But my problem is--

00:30:29   my problem that I'm already seeing

00:30:30   is that first you've got to activate

00:30:33   the keyboards in the settings.

00:30:35   And that's not a huge problem.

00:30:36   I mean, it's kind of nice the way

00:30:37   that you can go to the settings, and you can activate

00:30:40   and deactivate the keyboards, and you can grant permissions

00:30:43   to a keyboard to sync and to transmit your information

00:30:49   to the cloud.

00:30:50   For instance, I was trying the other day a keyboard that syncs preferences using CloudKit,

00:30:56   and I got the permission dialog.

00:30:59   So, I didn't really know what it meant, and I asked the developer, and it's basically,

00:31:06   even if you use iCloud, not some nasty third-party service, you're gonna get the permission dialog

00:31:11   anyway.

00:31:13   So you can manage keyboards in the settings, and then the problem is that, because you're

00:31:18   curious and you want to try all these fancy keyboards, you don't have a place like the

00:31:22   home screen where you can download apps. It's easy to try multiple apps because you can

00:31:30   just switch the home screen and open another one. The user interaction to switch keyboards

00:31:35   is really painful because you've got to hold down on the globe icon on the keyboard and

00:31:42   you get this long list of names.

00:31:47   And every time--

00:31:49   - I feel like iOS 8 is gonna be full of long lists of things.

00:31:52   - Yes, and you get a toggle in the list at the top of,

00:31:56   like you get a toggle on a popover on a keyboard.

00:32:00   So it's kind of messy.

00:32:02   So you switch all these keyboards

00:32:04   and you gotta consider the fact

00:32:05   that because Apple has built this secure system

00:32:10   for keyboards, every time you hit a password field,

00:32:14   the custom keyboard that you had selected before deactivates,

00:32:19   because it cannot type into a secure field.

00:32:21   So at least what I'm seeing right now in beta 5--

00:32:24   so I hope that things will change--

00:32:26   is awful performance of switching between keyboards,

00:32:29   because even when you change to a keyboard that has a slightly

00:32:33   custom design, the system is super slow.

00:32:36   So hopefully it will be better in the GM seed.

00:32:41   And also it can be confusing because unlike the home screen

00:32:45   and apps, you just switch the home screen, try another app,

00:32:48   so you can play around with all the downloads

00:32:50   from the App Store.

00:32:51   The keyboard user experience is kind of messy

00:32:54   and the keyboards are slow and sometimes they deactivate

00:32:59   and you gotta keep track of how many keyboards you have.

00:33:02   I don't know.

00:33:03   It's going to be--

00:33:04   - Yeah, there's a little bit of that

00:33:06   with extensions already in the few that I'm playing with on iOS 8 where Apple's like sort

00:33:12   of slamming them into that stupid horizontal scrolling share sheet and like you can set

00:33:17   the order even though that doesn't seem to work for me.

00:33:20   But like if you've got 10 or 12 extensions in Safari like it's just kind of a lame interaction

00:33:27   to like click the little button that those are gonna share it or export it to actually

00:33:31   see an extension like extensions don't have their own menu and I think there's some growing

00:33:35   pains where they've opened up all this flexibility but the UI hasn't caught up yet so I would

00:33:39   hope that this keyboard problem is a temporary pain and they can fix it in later builds of

00:33:44   8 or you know iOS 9 which...

00:33:49   Yeah I mean there are some...

00:33:50   My names are getting silly.

00:33:51   Yeah there are some growing pains here I agree but I gotta say that the functionality that

00:33:56   extensions and keyboards enable is mind-blowing especially like the first time you tried the

00:34:03   the one password extension or I have other action extensions that I've been testing.

00:34:11   I'm sorry to bring up this sentence again, but it's just what I've been doing.

00:34:15   I know that you guys said it, but like I said, it's just work.

00:34:19   And yeah, I seriously cannot wait to write about this stuff.

00:34:24   And it's going to take me a lot of long nights and espressos at 2 a.m., which again, kind

00:34:31   contradicts what I was saying before to reduce my cough intake. I just realised that I gotta prepare

00:34:37   like 30 posts for my stories. So I don't know, hopefully I will survive September and then I'm

00:34:43   gonna buy an iWatch. The iWatch will keep me healthy I guess. So I usually by this point

00:34:50   have installed the beta but I'm kind of not that tempted because I feel like all of the

00:35:00   really good stuff is in third party apps.

00:35:03   So until I have those,

00:35:06   there's not really much interesting stuff there, I think.

00:35:10   - Well, there's the new Safari, which is-

00:35:12   - But I don't use, I suppose I'm gonna have to, right?

00:35:15   I'm gonna have to start using Safari

00:35:16   because of the extensions, unless Chrome is ready on day one

00:35:19   which it probably won't be. - No, any, yeah, of course.

00:35:21   I mean, any app, even if, basically right now,

00:35:24   even if an iOS app, an iOS 7 app isn't built against iOS 8,

00:35:29   but if it uses the native share sheet mechanism,

00:35:32   you can see extensions already in iOS 7 apps

00:35:36   running on iOS 8.

00:35:38   - Yeah, I don't think Chrome uses the native share sheet.

00:35:40   - Yeah, of course.

00:35:41   - Yeah.

00:35:42   - Of course it doesn't.

00:35:42   - And you still can't set, even 8,

00:35:44   you still can't set Chrome as your default browser.

00:35:46   So if an extension were to fire the browser,

00:35:49   you'd still be in Safari anyways.

00:35:51   - Guys, we're gonna have like three or four episodes

00:35:56   about extensions.

00:35:57   - Yeah, it's gonna be good.

00:35:58   I'm really excited I was talking to a co-worker today and who uses one password and you know

00:36:04   kind of sharing with her you know they're doing this extension thing and it will basically

00:36:08   work more or less like it is on the desktop and this is all details that they've shared

00:36:11   publicly and you know like she was genuinely excited about it because you know right now

00:36:17   even on on seven iOS apps are silos and the ability to pull data from one into another

00:36:24   or pull parts of it like it's really going to make everything the at least you

00:36:30   know a lot of things a lot faster on iOS. I think it's a big complaint you know we

00:36:34   talked a lot about this on the old show of working on the iPad and how a very

00:36:38   common issue people aren't into is that it's slow to do things that are faster

00:36:42   on the Mac and with extensions and with things like text expander keyboards it's

00:36:48   going to speed up there's still going to be some annoyances I think until Apple

00:36:52   sort of figures out how to grow with this stuff.

00:36:55   But overall, I'm genuinely excited about what

00:36:59   some of these third-party developers are already doing.

00:37:01   - Yeah, it's an exciting time.

00:37:04   - So, take a break.

00:37:09   - Do it. - Yeah, Myke.

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00:39:43   So we wanted to talk this week about fitness and diet apps.

00:39:47   There's been a lot of conversation about fitness tracking hardware and of course I watch rumors

00:39:53   and a lot of that's there but there's a lot of great software out now that can help you

00:40:00   know count calories or track your activity.

00:40:03   So we kind of want to share what we're using and Federico is sort of insane experiment

00:40:10   that you've been tweeting about.

00:40:13   And so I guess I can just kind of I'll blast through what's going the order of the notes.

00:40:16   I'll blast through the apps I'm using because Federico what you're doing is much more interesting

00:40:20   than what I'm doing.

00:40:23   So I use kind of three apps.

00:40:26   So you know I'm in relatively good shape but you know want to lose a few pounds want to

00:40:31   run more is kinda my two goals this fall.

00:40:35   So I'm using an app called LoseIt which

00:40:39   is a it's not unlike MyFitnessPal and we're gonna talk about why I don't like that

00:40:43   app in a second.

00:40:45   So I can go in, I can enter meals, I can scan a barcode so I have a drink here

00:40:49   that I'll put in as a snack.

00:40:51   You just scan the barcode and the app finds it automatically.

00:40:54   It can connect to devices like Fitbit

00:40:59   fit like fit bit fit bit um i liked fit hit yeah sorry it's it's a hard word to say when

00:41:06   you can only speak so many syllables a minute fit bit it can connect to it can podcasting

00:41:17   everyone podcast talking into my computer box on the internet so it's

00:41:31   sort of a hub now the problem with counting calories in any system is it's

00:41:39   twofold you have the problem of self-reporting and you have the problem

00:41:42   of a small kind of local restaurant so the second one is obviously you know

00:41:46   an issue where if I go to a local chain or a one-off place and you know, I work sort of the core of our

00:41:52   downtown area and there's a lot of little sandwich places and there's a pizza place and you know, they're not it's not name-brand like

00:41:59   You know, it's not gonna go to Taco Bell and those calories are listed publicly. It's these are private establishments

00:42:07   So you kind of have to guess and get the closest you can so it's not an exact science, but it's definitely

00:42:14   Pounded when you have the problem of self-reporting, and so I don't know maybe Federica

00:42:18   You can speak to this if you're doing it, but I have a big problem of

00:42:22   Estimating volume so like if I eat a bowl of cereal like I have no idea how much cereal

00:42:28   I just ate because I don't measure it if I did

00:42:30   Obviously it wouldn't be a problem, but that's sort of crazy person territory. Oh, yeah, so you got a

00:42:36   Yeah, so I generally kind of you know I look at what the

00:42:41   Box says is the you know what's supposed to be the estimated amount and usually round up a little bit

00:42:45   And so it's it's not exact science at least the way that I'm doing it and that can be a problem if you're

00:42:52   You know if I'm strictly sticking to a certain number of calories

00:42:55   But that's not lose its fault. That's true of any app or any system that does count calories

00:43:02   But it has a lot of positives it can plug into all these services

00:43:05   It has a really nice website in fact most of the time

00:43:07   I do the data entry like at my computer because it's a lot faster than the iOS app and

00:43:12   Overall I like it

00:43:15   Kind of on the fitness side using two apps one is Strava which is actually an app pick of mine on the prompt Strava is

00:43:24   bike

00:43:27   cycling tracking via GPS so you turn it on you stick your phone in your pocket or your bag and

00:43:32   it knows speed and mileage and

00:43:37   Elevation and if you have a pro account and it can talk to accessories so we can do things like heart rate

00:43:43   Strava also tracks running again. There's other apps like this the big ones are map my ride like map my run

00:43:50   Which a lot of people use I like Strava because that's what our local community of cyclists use but nice app

00:43:57   You can even use it with like an external GPS device if you have a good Garmin on your bike it can sync up on

00:44:03   the web and

00:44:05   then

00:44:06   Finally and Federico I want to talk to you about this. I really hate running like

00:44:10   Running is so lame, but I'm trying to do it and the app that I've been using is couch to 5k

00:44:16   There's a bunch of apps like this. I like the features of this one even though the design is a little lame

00:44:21   It is pushing notifications to your lock screen what tells you you know couch to 5k basically as you run and walk

00:44:28   Sort of in alternating patterns and the longer you do it the more you run the further you go and it works you up very

00:44:35   very slowly to doing a 5k.

00:44:38   So it has this push notification.

00:44:40   So if your phone is in an armband and you can't see the screen,

00:44:43   it says, OK, now it's time to run.

00:44:45   Now it's time to jog.

00:44:46   Now it's time to cool down.

00:44:47   And keeps up with that in a really nice little package.

00:44:50   I can see right where I am within the program.

00:44:53   Together, this is all software.

00:44:55   It's all just apps on my phone.

00:44:57   But I can get a picture of my activity level, my calorie level,

00:45:02   and kind of see how those things play against each other.

00:45:06   And not using a fitness band, not using any hardware.

00:45:10   I own a Fitbit and I actually own a Nike Fuelband as well.

00:45:15   And I'm not wearing either one of them.

00:45:17   I've kind of just gotten out of the habit

00:45:19   and neither are really attractive.

00:45:21   The Nike Fuelband is actually uncomfortable to wear

00:45:23   after a while for me at least.

00:45:25   And so I'm just doing it with just software.

00:45:28   And so far, in doing this for a couple of months,

00:45:33   has been pretty good.

00:45:35   - So let me jump in Federico,

00:45:39   'cause you're doing this in a big way.

00:45:42   And as is usual on this show,

00:45:46   there seems to be varying levels of everything.

00:45:49   My varying level is I'm not doing anything right now.

00:45:55   I'm too I'm gonna say this is probably this is a dumb excuse but I feel like

00:46:00   I've have too much to do right now to focus on exercise in any way I'm gonna

00:46:08   be busy for my shorter lifespan no that's I mean that's burning aside like

00:46:14   that's totally like this week has been insane for me and I haven't run I

00:46:18   haven't ridden my bike since Saturday I haven't eaten well like life just gets

00:46:23   in the way. Like I have a plan that as soon as I can get my days back from the

00:46:28   corporate world I will embark on an exercise experiment like Federico but

00:46:36   I've been talking a lot recently about one of my favorite podcasts on the

00:46:40   internet called Hello Internet with CGP Grey and Brady Haran and on an episode

00:46:46   of that show CGP Grey was talking about this exact kind of thing where he

00:46:52   needed to work really hard to get his videos,

00:46:56   he's a YouTuber, to get his videos to a point

00:46:59   where he was able to go full time with it

00:47:03   and that sort of stuff.

00:47:04   And he had a discussion with his wife

00:47:07   about how he would put his health

00:47:10   on a back burner for a bit

00:47:11   to allow him the time to put into his work.

00:47:16   I have not, one, made this conscious decision

00:47:18   or two, had accomplished my girlfriend in this idea.

00:47:22   I'm sure she would not feel the same.

00:47:25   But I just feel like I don't have the time

00:47:27   to do these things right now.

00:47:28   In the past, I have used to success my fitness pal.

00:47:32   And Federico, you can tell us probably a little bit more

00:47:34   about that in a moment.

00:47:36   And I've found it very good.

00:47:38   Steven, I've had the same problems that you've had

00:47:41   in how much do I put in, which I think upsets Federico

00:47:44   'cause he's probably gonna say he weighs everything.

00:47:47   I didn't do that.

00:47:50   Like you would always,

00:47:51   I feel like I was overestimating,

00:47:53   but like this looks like a regular portion of potatoes.

00:47:56   I'll say I'm having 1.4.

00:47:58   You know, that, this.

00:47:59   'Cause then you just, you know.

00:48:00   And I lost about a few pounds.

00:48:01   - Spooking like a true American, Myke.

00:48:03   - That's how I do.

00:48:05   I felt like I lost a few pounds using the app,

00:48:08   and it's one that I intend to use again.

00:48:11   But yeah, as I say, right now I'm not doing anything.

00:48:16   I've never enjoyed exercise,

00:48:17   and I've always been more to like control my diet.

00:48:21   So now I'm kind of just trying to keep my eye

00:48:23   on what I'm eating without using an app to help me.

00:48:26   Federico Vittucci, can you please inspire me

00:48:29   to change my life?

00:48:30   - Well, I mean, I can tell you what I'm doing now,

00:48:34   but it's just, you know, my backstory,

00:48:36   that's not really something that I want to inspire you with.

00:48:40   Because basically- - Oh yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:48:42   I get that there.

00:48:43   Yeah, basically I've always been kind of relatively in shape,

00:48:50   but also I never really enjoyed exercising or being

00:48:56   careful with the food that I eat.

00:48:58   And especially in Italy, it's very easy

00:49:02   to eat too many carbs with the pasta and the pizza

00:49:08   and the sauce.

00:49:09   It's easy to get carried away with the kind of menu

00:49:12   that typically you get here.

00:49:15   And so the tipping point for me was,

00:49:19   after cancer and after chemo,

00:49:22   and the kind of consequences that you experience later,

00:49:27   months after, I've been clear since February of 2013,

00:49:32   and months after the chemo and the radiation ended,

00:49:38   I was left with all sorts of basically kind of inactivity,

00:49:43   general inactivity of my body

00:49:47   because I couldn't move before.

00:49:49   And because I couldn't exercise either because I was too weak

00:49:54   or because my muscles were not responding to exercise.

00:49:59   And especially because I had installed in my chest

00:50:02   what is called as a portacath,

00:50:05   which is a little button that is connected to a tube

00:50:10   that basically enables doctors to put the chemo

00:50:16   inside a big, big vein in your body.

00:50:21   The little accessory, I would say, in my chest,

00:50:25   prevented me from doing any sort of arm

00:50:27   and shoulder exercise.

00:50:29   So I couldn't do chest exercise, I couldn't do running,

00:50:33   I couldn't swim, I couldn't do jumping or anything, because I had the risk of breaking

00:50:39   the device, which of course happened last month.

00:50:44   So right now I'm free to exercise.

00:50:46   But before last month, it was around the end of May, basically, and I was really fed up

00:50:53   with the fact that in spite of being theoretically free from the chemo and the other stuff, I

00:51:00   I was really feeling the fact that for the past three years I've been taking what is effectively poison, that helps you, but it's poison in many other ways,

00:51:11   and I really wanted to get healthier on several levels, whether it was my food choices, my exercising more, my being more careful with the stuff that I eat,

00:51:27   how much stuff and when during the day, with the amount of sleep that I get, with the amount

00:51:32   of steps and activity that I get each day, because I was sort of caught in this spiral

00:51:37   of, I gotta get better, but I'm also busy.

00:51:42   So it's important for me to work more, and then I'll think about my body eventually.

00:51:49   Which of course is not a great way to recover after a chemo when you want to, in a way,

00:51:54   detox.

00:51:55   So my idea was that I could try at least this big experiment.

00:52:03   I would say I've always been interested in these wearable devices with the fitness component

00:52:09   and all these apps for iOS.

00:52:12   So I started wearing initially a Fitbit Flex.

00:52:17   I think it's a Flex, right?

00:52:18   The Force is the one that got recalled.

00:52:21   So I started wearing a Flex and it broke two times.

00:52:25   So I got a job on App24, which has been great.

00:52:31   In my experience, I never had a single battery or connection issue.

00:52:37   I started using the job on App24 to track steps and sleep.

00:52:42   Then I started using my fitness pal to track my food choices.

00:52:47   And basically right now, for the past two months, I've been using several apps and the

00:52:53   JobOnApp24, I bought a Wi-Fi scale to weight myself every morning, and I'm seeing the first

00:53:04   results.

00:53:06   And I want to lose a few pounds, so in the past, since June, I would say I've lost 20

00:53:16   pounds, and I wanted to do this not necessarily super quickly, because I want to lose pounds

00:53:22   by eating healthier, but also not in a sort of shock diet.

00:53:28   I don't want to lose pounds all of a sudden, and at the risk of not feeling well or gaining

00:53:33   all the pounds back together as soon as I start eating more again.

00:53:37   So I just wanted to switch to a healthier diet, which meant a lot more vegetables and

00:53:41   fruit and being careful with the pasta and the pizza, and more protein, because I wasn't

00:53:49   eating enough protein. So I started using the job to track my sleep. I'm trying to sleep

00:53:56   at least 7 hours each night and that may not seem like a huge surprise to most people but

00:54:04   actually because of my stories and because of work stuff I was getting 5 hours of sleep

00:54:10   each night on average, which is not great. And since I've been trying to sleep 8 hours,

00:54:15   I've been trying to sleep nine hours during this experiment,

00:54:18   I realized that too many hours are actually not good for me.

00:54:21   So seven hours is the right amount of sleep.

00:54:23   And I feel great.

00:54:25   And I also realized that I'm always going to be busy.

00:54:30   I'm always going to have people pinging me on Twitter

00:54:34   and iMessage.

00:54:36   And I'm always going to have stuff to do, or to read,

00:54:40   or to write about, or to worry about, which is worse.

00:54:44   But I'm trying to find at least 30 minutes every day to do a short walk and,

00:54:51   you know, some, um, crunches.

00:54:53   And I'm trying to drink at least two liters of water, which would be two

00:54:59   bottles, two bottles, I guess, uh, for Americans, just don't know the

00:55:02   conversion, uh, two liters, at least a water every day.

00:55:06   And the job on tracker has been pretty accurate with the steps

00:55:10   and with the, with the sleep patterns.

00:55:13   My fitness pad I use with a barcode scanner.

00:55:18   And unlike you guys, I've gone full obsessive

00:55:22   about tracking food.

00:55:26   I weight everything that I cook, every single ingredient.

00:55:29   I scan the barcode, I search the database.

00:55:32   And if I cook some pasta,

00:55:34   I put in the ingredients separately in the app.

00:55:38   And I've been asking my people around the house

00:55:41   keep around barcodes for me if they ever happen to cook stuff and throw away the box.

00:55:46   I like people around the house and sort of just moved on past that phrase.

00:55:50   Just the people.

00:55:51   I'm just curious how many people you live with.

00:55:53   Yeah, I don't want to get into details but basically I have told my people to keep the

00:55:58   barcodes for me.

00:56:00   So your butler.

00:56:01   So, to back up a second, I have a couple questions about Jawbone.

00:56:08   Let's go through each one of these.

00:56:09   Hey, how's the battery life on it?

00:56:11   It's been accurate. They promised seven days and it's been seven days for me.

00:56:16   That's that's really great. You know something a lot about I watch people talking about you know

00:56:21   Another thing to charge every night really stinks

00:56:24   But Jawbone was in the news over the I guess over the weekend

00:56:28   there was a big earthquake in Napa and

00:56:30   Jawbone had this blog post that is in the show notes and they have this really cool graph of

00:56:38   Jawbone up users in the bay area and

00:56:42   When they woke up basically corresponds exactly with the earthquake and how people in Napa didn't go back to sleep

00:56:51   Afterwards or took longer to go back to sleep

00:56:53   and I get to like cool and like I like data and some fancy graph and you know the website's pretty but

00:57:00   the data is a little a

00:57:04   little weird like

00:57:07   Obviously Jawbone has to know this data because it syncs with their app and with their service

00:57:12   But I would not have expected that that data would be

00:57:16   Geo located or maybe they're tying that data to a user account and the user account has a zip code or something

00:57:22   But I just when I saw that graph I was like, huh?

00:57:25   I wouldn't think that's something Jawbone would know about its users. How did you guys feel about that that blog post? I

00:57:32   I think it's pretty creepy. I mean, you're basically tracking people, their activity

00:57:38   during, you know, nights. And so, of course...

00:57:43   That could be exciting.

00:57:44   I mean, you know what people are doing at night by looking at the movements.

00:57:49   It was in the show notes. I'm just reading what's in the show notes.

00:57:51   Yeah, I mean, of course, you can assume what people are doing at night by looking at patterns

00:57:57   in your database.

00:57:58   But if we put in a side the fact that Jobbond

00:58:02   has this kind of data-- and I don't care,

00:58:04   because it's not like Jobbond is watching me

00:58:06   from outside the window--

00:58:09   it's pretty fascinating that you can have this kind of insight.

00:58:13   I mean, you also got to consider how many thousands of people

00:58:15   are using a Jobbond app 24 in that area.

00:58:19   I wouldn't say that there are hundreds and hundreds

00:58:22   of thousands of Jobbond customers in the Bay Area.

00:58:26   But it's still a fascinating piece of data, I guess.

00:58:29   I don't really have a lot.

00:58:31   I just think.

00:58:32   If they have the data, fine.

00:58:36   I guess as long as you've accepted it.

00:58:38   I mean, you know, I've got to assume that everybody that has the product

00:58:44   has opted in or has not opted out of that data.

00:58:47   Like you have I can't imagine that they've just gone crazy

00:58:50   and are like, here's some data we didn't tell you we had.

00:58:52   But I don't know.

00:58:55   So back to the food tracking.

00:59:01   MyFitnessPalette works well for me because it has a bunch of third party connections

00:59:07   in the settings.

00:59:08   So I connected the app to the job on App24.

00:59:12   So now I get basically what is a food score in my job on App24 application because they

00:59:20   recently added this feature that basically tracks your food.

00:59:24   that's a pretty basic idea, but also according to, I don't know what organization or what, you know,

00:59:30   some doctors, I don't know, some experts, it gives you a score from 0 to 10. So that's been kind of nice,

00:59:39   because, like I said, I've been trying to eat more vegetables and fruit and, you know, to try to avoid

00:59:46   prepackaged food and, you know, to avoid soda and McDonald's, because, I mean, there's the stereotype

00:59:51   that Italians always eat, you know, fancy pasta and fish and, you know, those fancy meals that

00:59:58   you find on Google search. But actually we're, you know, just people. We go to McDonald's and we buy

01:00:02   pre-packaged food. So, you know, sadly that kind of junk food is available anywhere. So I've been

01:00:09   trying to avoid those. And every time I have a, you know, I have a good day in terms of the

01:00:16   the ingredients that I use and the food that I eat,

01:00:19   it's kind of rewarding to see the little green badge

01:00:25   in the job on app for the iPhone.

01:00:28   Also, so MyFitnessPal has been great.

01:00:31   They're a free app.

01:00:32   They are supported by ads on the website.

01:00:35   I would like to pay, honestly, because it's such a great

01:00:37   service, and the database is huge,

01:00:39   and the barcode scanner has been great.

01:00:42   But I've also been trying this other food tracking utility

01:00:46   called Lifesum.

01:00:50   They're a European company from Sweden, I guess.

01:00:55   They share a similar story to Spotify.

01:00:58   They came out from Europe, and now they're

01:01:00   trying to become more popular in the States.

01:01:02   And Lifesum has a great UI, much, much better

01:01:05   than MyFitnessPal in my opinion, and especially the way

01:01:08   that it lets you quickly re-add food from recent meals.

01:01:13   So you have recent breakfasts, recent lunches,

01:01:15   recent dinners and snacks.

01:01:17   And you can just swipe to re-add the food.

01:01:19   They have a more beautiful UI with--

01:01:22   they have photographs.

01:01:23   And they have these little verified badges.

01:01:26   So you can instantly know what you're

01:01:28   trying to add a generic ingredient like, I don't know,

01:01:32   olive oil or an apple.

01:01:34   It's verified from Lifesum.

01:01:37   - I love that you picked those two things.

01:01:40   - Yeah, I don't know why.

01:01:41   The database contrary to what I read on the web,

01:01:46   it's actually pretty huge.

01:01:47   And the barcode scanner is basically just as accurate

01:01:51   as my fitness pal for me.

01:01:53   And again, I'm talking from an Italian perspective.

01:01:56   I don't know if Lifesum is better or worse in the US

01:02:00   or any other part of the world, because I just live here.

01:02:03   And the big thing of Lifesum for me

01:02:07   is that the way that, I guess because it's a European company, the way that it treats

01:02:12   quantities when you try to add food to your diary.

01:02:16   So MyFitnessPal has this stupid, stupid interface that either lets you choose from units like

01:02:22   cups, spoons, whatever that means, and you cannot just say, "Okay, I ate 20 grams of

01:02:31   pasta."

01:02:32   So that's interesting that you think that's stupid because that's one of the things that

01:02:37   I like about MyFitnessPal because if you're cooking...

01:02:40   What's a cup?

01:02:41   Seriously!

01:02:42   So this might be a cultural thing.

01:02:44   If we have a recipe book here, that recipe book will quite frequently say "add one spoon

01:02:50   of..."

01:02:51   "add one cup of..."

01:02:52   No, no.

01:02:53   Right, so I mean of course there's more magic and passion in Italian cooking.

01:02:57   Yeah.

01:02:58   - Yeah, I mean--

01:02:59   - Add as many tomatoes until you fall in love and stir until--

01:03:04   - I guess what I'm saying is that

01:03:06   if I'm buying some Barilla pasta,

01:03:09   it's not like when I scan the barcode,

01:03:12   I get to know from the package

01:03:15   how many cups 100 grams correspond to.

01:03:18   - Yeah, but for things like that,

01:03:19   doesn't it say like half a pack?

01:03:21   - Not usually, either lets you,

01:03:24   it gives you ounces or just 100 grams,

01:03:27   And then you gotta do like one and a half or one and fractions.

01:03:33   I just want to enter grams manually, which is exactly what Lifesum lets you do.

01:03:39   So from an input software design perspective, I'm happier with Lifesum, but myFitnessPal

01:03:45   has more connections with third-party apps.

01:03:48   So I've been trying both, I realize this is not what most people would do, but Lifesum

01:03:52   has actually been also better in terms of visualization of data.

01:03:57   So it has all these nice graphs that break down your meals by category.

01:04:05   So it's been actually pretty helpful to understand whether I gotta eat more protein at dinner

01:04:11   or if I gotta go easy with the carbs, which is usually the case.

01:04:17   All this, all together, in practice, and I'm just talking about the food stuff, I'm gonna

01:04:23   I get to the exercise stuff and it'll be quicker in a bit. All the food stuff comes together

01:04:28   with the yThing scale, which my girlfriend kindly bought for me for my birthday a few

01:04:36   weeks ago. And man, it's such a great piece of hardware. I mean, you just literally step

01:04:42   on the scale every morning, you just wait like 30 seconds and you step down and it's

01:04:46   done. The scale connects to your yThing account, you're using a Wi-Fi connection, so you can

01:04:53   later open the WhyThings HealthMate app for your iPhone. You get this beautiful

01:05:00   UI with all these graphs and charts for your weight and heart rate and you

01:05:06   know other statistics like room humidity or air quality I guess it's called and

01:05:12   that's been super reliable. I can probably try to put together some IFTTT

01:05:18   actions and workflows, but I haven't had the time to do that.

01:05:21   No, funny fact actually, before I bought a whitening scale, I set up an IFTTT action

01:05:27   for Jobbond, so every morning I would input my weight for the day manually into Launch

01:05:35   Center Pro, which would send the number value to IFTTT, which would sync back to the Jobbond

01:05:41   account.

01:05:42   It was pretty messy, but it worked.

01:05:43   So now I'm-

01:05:44   I think I love you Federico Petici.

01:05:45   I love you too.

01:05:46   I'm on the whitening scale.

01:05:48   So now I'm on the whitening scale and you were scared.

01:05:50   It's also got a heart rate feature,

01:05:54   which brings me to my last section,

01:05:57   which is exercise and activity.

01:05:59   So my understanding is that the portacath

01:06:03   that I used to have in my chest after the chemo,

01:06:07   the fact that it broke was entirely my fault

01:06:09   because in June, I went to two concerts.

01:06:14   So as you can imagine, there's lots of jumping going on.

01:06:17   - I saw the dubstep just like blasted out of you.

01:06:21   - No, it's either the concerts or the fact

01:06:25   that I was so intrigued with FitStar,

01:06:28   which is an iOS app that lets you choose training programs.

01:06:32   And it gives you these great videos

01:06:34   from professional trainers.

01:06:37   I think that like the main guy is a former football player,

01:06:42   like Gonzalez something.

01:06:45   I don't know, I don't live in America.

01:06:47   So he's a great guy, by the way, great videos.

01:06:50   And I started doing these exercises every day,

01:06:52   like fat burning exercises or get lean

01:06:55   or seven minute workouts.

01:06:57   And they were great.

01:06:58   And I was so motivated because, you know,

01:07:00   because there was lots of jumping and stuff

01:07:02   that I haven't been doing for years and the app is great.

01:07:05   So it was like a double satisfaction for me

01:07:07   because I was happy from a software perspective.

01:07:10   and I was also happy because I was getting exercise done.

01:07:13   So it was like a nerd doing exercise stuff.

01:07:17   And I was so just, you know,

01:07:19   two things coming together perfectly.

01:07:21   And so my, the problem was that the device broke,

01:07:24   in my chest broke.

01:07:26   So I had this, you know, surgery like a couple of weeks ago.

01:07:31   And so I got kind of scared.

01:07:33   And then I realized after, you know,

01:07:35   a couple of days after the surgery, I just thought,

01:07:38   you know, by myself, I don't have the device anymore.

01:07:40   So I can start using FitStar again.

01:07:43   And so I did.

01:07:44   And now I'm using FitStar again.

01:07:46   And the nice fact is that it syncs back to my fitness pal.

01:07:50   So the exercise that I get done in FitStar

01:07:53   goes to my fitness pal.

01:07:54   And the food that I track, also in my fitness pal,

01:07:57   all together, they go back to the Jobon tracker.

01:08:00   So basically right now,

01:08:01   my main dashboard is the Jobon bracelet.

01:08:04   And maybe you could argue that all these

01:08:08   is just teaching going crazy with apps.

01:08:11   And maybe it is, right?

01:08:14   - But it doesn't matter because the output.

01:08:16   - The output, it's on a practical level.

01:08:19   I've lost 20 pounds.

01:08:21   - Exactly, so yeah, you are kind of going crazy

01:08:24   with these things as you do,

01:08:26   but this is different to just them working out

01:08:29   how to build a custom UI for a file downloader

01:08:32   in editorial. - Exactly.

01:08:34   this is something that you're actually getting more benefit out than just tinkering in editorial.

01:08:41   I like that you're sublty trolling me, but also proving my point.

01:08:46   No, I'm honestly not trying to troll you.

01:08:49   I know, I love you Myke.

01:08:51   So yeah, I mean, I feel much better.

01:08:56   I think I've made a conscious decision to pay more attention to the water that I drink,

01:09:06   the food that I eat, the amount of sleep that I get.

01:09:09   And I mean, you could maybe say that I'm obsessive about this stuff, but I think I gotta be.

01:09:15   Because after all the other kind of junk that they put into my body to help with another

01:09:24   That leaves you, you know, the consequences and the kind of stress that it leaves on your body.

01:09:30   I need work to get better. I need to seriously... I need a system that motivates me.

01:09:38   And I think I found the system in software. And I'm gonna write an article about, you know,

01:09:44   I'm gonna have photos and a diary and a lot of extra details about this. But the single fact

01:09:49   that I can use a device, which is the iPhone, and all these apps to make an important improvement

01:09:59   in my lifestyle. I think that's pretty incredible. And of course, you could look at this from

01:10:06   a... Of course, maybe he's doing this just to try apps, because I'm a nerd, or maybe

01:10:13   I just want to write for Max Stories, but at the end of the day, I'm putting my body

01:10:16   through all this, you know, just eating better and doing exercise every day.

01:10:20   And, and it's, uh, and it's amazing, you know, that, that I can track all this

01:10:25   stuff and, and find connections and just leading a healthier lifestyle.

01:10:30   And I feel better.

01:10:32   I think I look better.

01:10:33   I, I, I have, you know, I have work to do still.

01:10:36   And, um, and especially because, you know, like I said, all the drugs that they gave

01:10:42   you, the, the leave other effects, which was not nice, but

01:10:46   Anyway, so far I've been doing this for two months now.

01:10:52   And there's the Apple announcement, supposedly next month, with an iWatch.

01:11:01   I'm just looking forward to seeing whether Apple has been experimenting with the mic

01:11:08   way for notifications and the Pebble-like device.

01:11:13   Or if this is really a device for -- no, I'm not trolling you, Myke. You do have a point

01:11:19   about notifications, because there are people like you who like them. So I'm not making

01:11:23   fun of you in any way. Or if the device -- I never make fun of you.

01:11:28   >> Have we got some sort of trolling treaty going on today?

01:11:30   >> No, no.

01:11:31   >> No one's allowed to troll anyone.

01:11:33   >> I'm just glad no one's trolling me.

01:11:35   >> Not yet.

01:11:36   >> Any more than normal.

01:11:37   So, to conclude, guys, I tried a bunch of apps. I have plenty to talk about, Ciel, and

01:11:47   I don't know when or how I will write about this. It's just, you know, I wanted to discuss

01:11:52   this with you today. And the conclusion is that it's amazing to me, honestly, and I'm

01:12:00   genuinely impressed with the fact that there's a phone, right? A phone with this software

01:12:09   that can make you feel and live better. And that's just, you know, for all the Twitter

01:12:16   clients and Flappy Bird clones and weird apps on the App Store, the fact that I can download

01:12:24   stuff and buy software that lets me eat better and feel and try to overcome the consequences

01:12:31   of cancer and chemo, that's pretty incredible. It's mind blowing. I wouldn't say magical,

01:12:37   because it's not magical. It's software and it's people making it. But yeah, it's such

01:12:44   -- I don't know. It's amazing. I keep coming back to this word because I -- yeah. I'm sorry.

01:12:53   I just got carried away.

01:12:56   So I want to take a quick break.

01:12:58   Congratulations Federico by the way.

01:13:00   Thank you.

01:13:01   Thank you.

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01:15:38   Thank you.

01:15:39   So we wanted to kind of wrap up this week talking about what Apple is getting

01:15:44   ready to do in this space.

01:15:46   Obviously the hardware is a little bit of a question mark,

01:15:49   Thinness, Watch,

01:15:53   some sort of thing maybe next month, sort of vague, but Apple has been very

01:15:58   forthcoming about what iOS, what, there's the talking thing again, it's hard,

01:16:04   what iOS 8 is going to do in this area with their health app and with things

01:16:09   like health book and it's kind of kind of multiple things we're going to get

01:16:17   into that in a second of what you know health on iOS 8 is not just a single app

01:16:22   it's an app with some services and a bunch of different ways to interact with

01:16:29   And so

01:16:31   WWDC Apple talks about this

01:16:34   You know with the iPhone 5s and the iPad air with the m7 the motion code processor people can take advantage of

01:16:40   Step counting and things with the hardware now our friend underscore has a great app that does that

01:16:45   But there's a lot more coming and

01:16:49   Federico you know you've been spending some time with this and talking to some developers about it kind of what what is coming to iOS

01:16:56   later this year

01:16:58   So, yes

01:17:00   What's coming for consumers is a new

01:17:04   pre-installed app on the iPhone which is called the health application and for developers, there's this new

01:17:12   health kit

01:17:15   APIs and set of you know software features to to interact with the with the earth application and

01:17:21   Read and write data to the app. So essentially developers of

01:17:27   food or fitness related apps, they can take advantage of these new EarthKit APIs to

01:17:34   provide their own data to the app as well as read data

01:17:40   stored in the application and try to do something with it. So I'm trying to think of a practical examples.

01:17:49   For instance, if you develop a sleep tracking app

01:17:55   such as the one that I've been using which is called Pillow for the iPhone. If you develop an app to monitor your sleep at night and

01:18:03   you know, visualize sleep patterns, you could for instance

01:18:08   offer to the health app

01:18:12   the amount of hours that the user gets. So when I open my health dashboard

01:18:17   I get the hours recorded by the third-party app that I use.

01:18:21   But also that same third-party app, it could ask the health application to receive data for the user's step count,

01:18:33   or for the user's calorie intake.

01:18:37   So it's basically a way for developers to communicate with a single dashboard,

01:18:43   with a unified application where they can read and write data,

01:18:49   And to do something meaningful with it in a way that doesn't require developers to implement third-party APIs or integrations which can be problematic.

01:19:02   So in theory, at least based on the conversations that I had and the apps that I saw,

01:19:11   There's going to be an interesting new approach to making fitness and food related apps.

01:19:23   Because right now, if you go to the app store and if you read the reviews of a popular fitness

01:19:28   app, you're going to see comments about people asking for a third-party integration.

01:19:32   For instance, "Oh, this app doesn't support RunKeeper" or "It doesn't support my fitness

01:19:36   or I want to have job on integration. In theory, with the Health app and with HealthKit for

01:19:42   developers, there's going to be this unified place for developers to feed and read data,

01:19:50   which in theory is great. So I've been talking to developers, and most of them say that HealthKit

01:19:58   has been a game changer in the way that it lets them not care, basically, about integrating

01:20:05   with the third party API, with the third party web service.

01:20:09   They don't have to care about handling privacy policies for different services, such as the

01:20:15   privacy policy from Jobun or from MyFitnessPal.

01:20:18   They just need to integrate with the system API, which has another set of built-in permissions,

01:20:24   but that's another topic.

01:20:26   So most of them say that it's been a game changer, the ability to export data and to

01:20:33   make it useful to other apps will be a great improvement for this category on the App Store.

01:20:40   Just as big as extensions are for productivity apps, HealthKit and the Health app and the

01:20:46   Dashboard, there are going to be a major change for this category.

01:20:51   Some developers that I talked to said that getting the HealthKit stuff up and running

01:20:56   was a no-brainer.

01:20:58   said that it's a bit of work because you gotta handle conversions between different unit

01:21:05   types such as, I don't know, liters and, what is it, ounces for liquid or other types of

01:21:13   measurements.

01:21:14   So I have no doubt about the fact that it's going to be, you know, it requires developers

01:21:20   to do some work, especially because Apple has been adding new features to the API during

01:21:26   the iOS 8 beta.

01:21:27   So of course it's not completely done and we don't know whether there will be another

01:21:31   beta or a GM, it looks like a GM at this point.

01:21:35   But it's going to be a major change for the food and fitness category on the App Store.

01:21:40   But also not necessarily just for that category.

01:21:42   Because now that you have a single place right on the system that tracks all this data from

01:21:48   different sources, in theory if you make any sort of app you could take advantage of that

01:21:55   information about the user and make it useful and give it some sort of meaning in your app

01:22:01   that isn't a fitness tracker.

01:22:04   I'm pretty sure that the...

01:22:07   What's the name of the podcast client by underscore?

01:22:10   Pod Wrangler?

01:22:12   It has a feature that makes the playback controls bigger if the app detects that you're moving,

01:22:21   right?

01:22:24   I think it has a car mode, an automatic car mode.

01:22:28   Exactly. That mode comes from the M7, from the motion core processor on the iPhone.

01:22:34   So you see, David Smith with the podcast app doesn't have a fitness client of sorts.

01:22:40   It's an audio app. But it takes advantage of contextual information and movement in a different

01:22:47   way. So you can imagine how having health kit on the device, on the system, could enable some

01:22:53   interesting new ideas. So I'm very excited to see what developers come up with. And of course,

01:22:59   I guess the first and most obvious change will be for apps like Java or myFitnessPal, hopefully.

01:23:04   So we'll see. Yeah, I can see, you know, just talking to you about your setup and what I'm

01:23:13   doing. It's sort of like you have to string these things together in the right order. So for me,

01:23:20   Strava and lose it don't talk directly to each other. So I kind of like Strava tells me

01:23:24   You know how far I rode in the time and I can go in manually entering that and lose it and that's

01:23:29   Something that I would hope that this health kit plumbing can help ease

01:23:34   But it's only going to be as good as third party developers make it

01:23:38   You know, they've people have to get in there and decide

01:23:41   This is what we're gonna do. So say for example, and I don't know if they have said anything so I'm not I'm not

01:23:48   Commenting on news but say that job and we're like, you know what we're gonna do our own thing

01:23:52   we're not gonna share this data with the health app and like that sort of puts a

01:23:57   kink in my plan to just use you know, the first-party app to to be my dashboard for all this so I hope that

01:24:04   Everybody plays and gets along and I think it's best for everybody if they do that

01:24:09   but kind of the back of my mind is that voice of like

01:24:12   There's gonna be somebody popular to hold out, you know, and they're not gonna want to do it

01:24:17   but because they're you know it's not like new stand or or even passbook where you can

01:24:27   get away with not using those like wire can still have just a regular app now they're

01:24:32   in new stand because they made that decision but you can exist outside of that and it's

01:24:38   the same thing here it's it's a very similar situation where a lot of third-party developers

01:24:43   are running around doing a bunch of crazy stuff and now Apple is saying "Hey, we sort

01:24:48   of have a hub for all this, it would be great if you tied into it, but you don't have to."

01:24:52   And I hope that it is a utopia of fitness and tracking and measuring, but I worry there

01:24:59   is going to be pain points along the way.

01:25:01   No, that's actually a great point, especially because fitness apps are not like feed readers,

01:25:08   right?

01:25:09   Or Twitter clients.

01:25:10   I mean, you can imagine that if your favorite email application or feed reader, RSS reader,

01:25:17   doesn't support extensions or another productivity-related feature, you could easily jump to another

01:25:24   app and switch and start using the app that takes advantage of the latest features.

01:25:29   But with a fitness app like MyFitnessPal or the Jobun app, you have this sort of locking

01:25:34   of your personal data that you don't want to lose.

01:25:37   Typically, the exporting options are not great in these apps. So you're kind of forced to stay within their ecosystem.

01:25:44   So if they don't want to support the new API,

01:25:49   I think it will be harder for most people to just, you know,

01:25:53   say I'm gonna switch to another app because all your data and months and months of tracking food and barcodes like me,

01:25:59   they're going to be stuck into the app. And even if you can export as a CSV, that's not gonna be great.

01:26:05   and honestly who wants to use CSV. So yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens.

01:26:14   Totally and you know it's all this could be out the door in a couple weeks if Apple does

01:26:22   hardware that's what's you know interesting about this there's a lot of good software

01:26:27   there's a lot of mediocre hardware you know sitting here I was thinking maybe I should

01:26:31   by job owned up and I'm gonna wait and see if Apple is doing something but it's

01:26:36   um it's a it's interesting time and and because the phone is always with you or

01:26:41   at least with you most of the time can give you a really good picture you know

01:26:45   that's why I really like things like underscores pedometer plus plus I don't

01:26:50   have an iPhone 5s so I can't take advantage of it but like of course your

01:26:54   iPhone knows how far you walk because your phone is always in your pocket and

01:26:58   As these devices get smarter and more powerful that sort of data is only be

01:27:03   going to become better and better and more clear to give us a picture of the

01:27:07   you know the quantified self of you know I can put a number on how I did today

01:27:10   and and if you can do that and build a history and build patterns then you can

01:27:14   work to be in better shape or to be able to run a 5k without dying or whatever

01:27:20   those goals are they knowledge you can get us there and that's sort of the

01:27:24   point of the technology in the first place so I think it's really exciting.

01:27:31   So I think we've come to about the end of this week's episode of Connected. Thank you

01:27:35   very much for listening. Steven, where can people find the show notes?

01:27:40   Relay.fm/Connected/2. Fantastic. We have a couple of Twitter accounts

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01:27:54   I am iMyke, i-m-y-k-e. Federico is @Vittici, v-i-t-i-c-c-i and Stephen is @ismh. Federico

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01:28:33   would like to come along. So gentlemen do you have anything to add before I sign off for this week?

01:28:40   I really want an iWatch.

01:28:42   Okay, well I'll work on that for you.

01:28:44   Steven?

01:28:46   I really want to argue with Federico about the iWatch in the future.

01:28:51   Excellent stuff, I have no doubt that we'll do that.

01:28:54   Thank you all for listening to episode 2 of Connected.

01:28:56   We'll be back next week.

01:28:58   Until then, bye bye.

01:29:00   Arrivederci.

01:29:02   Adios.