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0:00:02- From Relay FM, this is "Connected", episode 441.

0:00:12Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,

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0:00:16I'm one of your hosts, Federico Vittucci,

0:00:18and it's my pleasure to introduce the returning,

0:00:22regular co-host of "Connected", Mr. Stephen Hackett.

0:00:25Hello, Stephen, welcome back.

0:00:27- Hey Federico, how are you?

0:00:28I'm good. We missed you. How are you?

0:00:30I am a good, it's good to be back.

0:00:33Good energy right there. Okay.

0:00:34Yes. And I am quiet. You've been introduced yet.

0:00:40Just cannot do it. You just cannot do it.

0:00:41He can't be contained. Uh, we're also joined by Mike Hurley.

0:00:45Hello. Hi. Hey Mike. Hello. How are you?

0:00:50I'm good. I feel like you had something specific to say to me. It's like,

0:00:54Hey Mike.

0:00:55- No, I don't.

0:00:56We have real time follow up.

0:00:58- Uh oh.

0:00:59- Like super real time happened 10 minutes ago,

0:01:02but we were doing the pre-show.

0:01:03- GetConnetPro.com.

0:01:04- iOS 16, yes, GetConnetPro.com.

0:01:07See iOS and iPadOS, 16.4 beta 4

0:01:12are both out for developers and I guess also WatchOS.

0:01:16tvOS and the HomePodOS betas were released yesterday

0:01:22for whatever reason.

0:01:24- iOS, yeah, iOS, iPadOS and watchOS are out now.

0:01:28I already have 16.4 beta four on my phone.

0:01:32I don't see anything new.

0:01:34I just assumed they're wrapping up this release.

0:01:36- This is good follow up then.

0:01:38- Well, I just wanted to tell you.

0:01:39- 16.4.4 is out and there's nothing new.

0:01:42- I'm just gonna tell you.

0:01:43It's out, go visit software update.

0:01:47You're gonna find it.

0:01:48- Get the bits.

0:01:49- Get some fresh bits, fresh hot bits on your device.

0:01:52I am preparing for updates on my iPad Pro.

0:01:56I'll let you know in a few minutes if I see anything new.

0:01:58I don't suppose I will, but I'll still let you know.

0:02:02End of the real time follow up.

0:02:03- Do you think they fixed stage manager?

0:02:05- Yes, they fixed it all.

0:02:07They made every window resizable and yeah, yeah,

0:02:11it's all in there in the beta four.

0:02:14Yeah, this very specific beta, it fixes stage manager, yes.

0:02:19- Apple is in on the long thigh.

0:02:22- I know, it took him so long.

0:02:24- Apple had a, and it may still be the top,

0:02:27anyways, at some point during the yellow iPhone release,

0:02:30which already feels like it was a thousand years ago,

0:02:33there was an illustration on apple.com

0:02:38of a person with a big yellow phone

0:02:41stepping over some buildings

0:02:43and their thigh is magnificent and long.

0:02:47- It's the longest thigh.

0:02:48They would be the thigh to beat, let me tell you.

0:02:50- Yeah, but it's cheating, you know, it's made by Apple.

0:02:54So it's, you know.

0:02:55- That right there is the thigh to beat.

0:02:57- Yeah, that's a massive thigh.

0:03:00- And then just yesterday, Apple published a video

0:03:04called "Hello, Yellow," just an advertisement

0:03:06for the yellow iPhone 14, using the same illustration,

0:03:10but now it, you know, moves and has music and stuff,

0:03:12and you can see the long thigh in action.

0:03:14So Apple clearly is following our lead once again.

0:03:17- Long thigh, tiny head.

0:03:19That's my ideal person right there.

0:03:22Love it.

0:03:22- That's the ideal human form.

0:03:24- Yeah, it's the golden ratio of the human form.

0:03:28You got yourself a long thigh, a tiny head, you're set.

0:03:32Perfect. - You're good.

0:03:33You're good.

0:03:35- Yeah.

0:03:35- Moving on to AR/VR.

0:03:37Ben wrote in, this is fascinating.

0:03:39Could Apple use the Apple Watch

0:03:42for more precise hand tracking with the headset?

0:03:45They do have precise hand tracking

0:03:47for the Apple Watch for accessibility use.

0:03:49- Yeah.

0:03:50- It's called Assistive Touch.

0:03:52This is a series of gestures you can use

0:03:55to navigate your Apple Watch.

0:03:58And so some of the examples are you can tap your index,

0:04:03finger and thumb, you can do that twice,

0:04:05you can close your hand in a fist

0:04:08and the watch can monitor and I guess recognize

0:04:12when that happens and then translate those to actions

0:04:16on the screen.

0:04:16really cool system and Ben tied it to this headset.

0:04:21And I think the idea of using the Apple Watch itself

0:04:25for this probably doesn't make sense

0:04:26'cause as Mike wrote in the show notes,

0:04:27are you going to wear two Apple Watches?

0:04:29Like, underscore does.

0:04:30- You stole my--

0:04:33- I credited you.

0:04:34Hat tip, Mike Hurley.

0:04:35- No, you stole the honor.

0:04:37Yeah, okay.

0:04:38- Yeah, but you stole it.

0:04:39I wanted to be the one to eviscerate Ben's feedback.

0:04:42You know what I mean?

0:04:43- I know, I'm not eviscerating his feedback.

0:04:45I think his feedback is good.

0:04:46No, I wanted to say like, this is one of those scenarios

0:04:50where you see one thing and just like,

0:04:52it must be connected to the other thing.

0:04:55You know, it's just like, what are you gonna do?

0:04:56Like you only do hand tracking on one hand?

0:05:00- On your dominant hand.

0:05:01What if they could use this assistive touch

0:05:04with something like, you know,

0:05:07their inside out tracking or,

0:05:09I don't think they're gonna have hand controllers.

0:05:11Maybe they'll have hand controllers, who knows?

0:05:13- Well, no, 'cause the, what's going on there

0:05:16It's actually using the sensors because they're attached to your wrist and it's like it's noticing physical changes in your hand movements

0:05:23Like it's not a camera, but could they I mean they've built all that

0:05:28It's just it was an interesting thing to touch on because I think

0:05:31Some of the latest rumors are like you're gonna type in the air. It's like what are you doing Apple?

0:05:36Everyone has hand controllers for a reason two Apple watches though

0:05:41That's why that's why the headsets so expensive is it comes with two Apple watches in the box think about that

0:05:47It's like there was previously a rumor that it would require air pods Pro

0:05:52To work so imagine if it's like yeah, you should use this but you need to buy two Apple watch ultras and airports Pro

0:05:59Yeah, so it's actually

0:06:01$5,000 by the time you've got all the stuff that you need which reminds me Federico of the original PlayStation VR

0:06:07Where it's like, oh yeah, just buy the headset.

0:06:10You also need the camera and the move ones,

0:06:13which no one can buy.

0:06:15- Ramon says to Apple Watch Series 3,

0:06:17that's why they quit selling it.

0:06:18They were putting them in the boxes for the headset.

0:06:21(laughing)

0:06:22- I mean, you'll be lucky if it comes with,

0:06:25you know what they'll probably do,

0:06:26they're gonna put a cable in it

0:06:27because it's gonna run on battery power.

0:06:30But if you're, like it's gonna be a super short cable,

0:06:33like a 90 centimeter cable.

0:06:34If you want a slightly longer cable,

0:06:36it's gonna be like $70 from the Apple store.

0:06:39Like what if I wanna put the battery pack on my couch

0:06:43and I wanna have like a two meter cable

0:06:45or a three meter cable. - It is.

0:06:47- That's gonna be an extra upgrade from the Apple store.

0:06:49- Timothy also wrote in about the AR/VR stuff,

0:06:52just really just complimenting you Federico

0:06:55about using these products and kind of making the,

0:07:00making the real like opportunity

0:07:03for your mind to be changed, I think.

0:07:05I think the three examples he gave opened the door to a world of new apps.

0:07:09It's just the kind of thing you have to try first.

0:07:11No, thank you. Thank you, Timothy. Yeah. That's nice. Thank you. Appreciate it.

0:07:15That was my goal. Yeah. Yeah.

0:07:17Big news. Big news, everyone. Spotify HiFi,

0:07:21announced in February, 2021 is still coming.

0:07:27Quote from the Verge. This is, uh, so we announced it,

0:07:32but then the industry changed for a bunch of reasons,

0:07:34Soderstrom once said. - For one reason.

0:07:37- We'll get to that one reason in a minute.

0:07:39So this is a quote from Spotify co-president,

0:07:43Gustav Soderstrom.

0:07:45- So I think it's Soderstream is what you're looking for.

0:07:48- Oh my God.

0:07:49- There you go.

0:07:50Thank you for saying that joke.

0:07:52So I didn't have to say it.

0:07:53And therefore you're the bad one.

0:07:55Soderstrom said on the latest episode

0:07:57of the podcast "Decoder,"

0:07:58"We are going to do it, but we're going to do it in a way

0:08:01where it makes sense for us and for our listeners.

0:08:04The industry changed and we had to adapt.

0:08:06We want to do it in a way where it works for us

0:08:08from a cost perspective as well.

0:08:10I'm not allowed to comment on our label agreements

0:08:12nor on what other players in the industry did

0:08:15for obvious reasons.

0:08:16Basically what happened here is Apple introduced Lossless

0:08:19and made it free.

0:08:20- Yeah.

0:08:21- Clearly not what Spotify was going to do.

0:08:24Spotify also does not have spatial audio of any kind.

0:08:29And so The Verge in this article was,

0:08:33this article written by J Peters and Chris Welch

0:08:37at The Verge were like suggesting that maybe

0:08:40Spotify will do some kind of like high end audio plan

0:08:44that would include these features, you know,

0:08:46and you pay more for it.

0:08:48I would still say that's probably not a great idea

0:08:50because like everyone else is doing it for free.

0:08:53Like Amazon does it for free, Apple's doing it for free.

0:08:56I mean, obviously it's clear why these companies can,

0:08:59because this is not their business.

0:09:02This is Spotify's business.

0:09:05So talking about spatial audio and stuff,

0:09:07I cannot recommend enough a recent episode of the Vergecast

0:09:12where Nilay Patel interviews Patrick,

0:09:16is it Spence?

0:09:20I'm trying to find the name in the article now.

0:09:22I really apologise.

0:09:23Patrick Spence, who's the CEO of Sonos, and Giles Martin, who is George Martin's son and

0:09:31legendary record producer who works for Sonos, which I didn't know was a thing.

0:09:37Wow, okay.

0:09:38He is Sonos' head of sound design and has worked there for years because they just introduced

0:09:44two new products, the ERA 100 and the ERA 300.

0:09:47And so basically they spend a ton of time talking about these new products and spatial

0:09:55audio because Charles Martin also consults with Universal.

0:09:59So he is doing spatial audio from both sides.

0:10:02It's fascinating.

0:10:04You touched on this, but I want to circle back to it.

0:10:06I think it really shows Spotify's position being kind of fragile because Apple and Amazon,

0:10:16they can absorb these costs

0:10:17in their other lines of business, right?

0:10:19I can't imagine Apple loses money on anything they do,

0:10:23but clearly moving to the higher bit rate

0:10:28and the coding and everything,

0:10:29like clearly that is costing them something

0:10:32in terms of labor and paying with and everything,

0:10:35but they can take the hit because the margins are built in

0:10:37and they have other lines of business, right?

0:10:39- I actually think that the cost is still at record levels.

0:10:42- Maybe. - I think that's

0:10:43where the cost is going.

0:10:44'Cause I think that's what Spotify is hinting at.

0:10:46- Maybe, but wherever the money ends up going,

0:10:48the point is, this is all Spotify has.

0:10:52And so they can't like leverage other parts of the business

0:10:55against a decision here.

0:10:56And so they're kind of stuck,

0:10:58which stinks if you're Spotify.

0:11:00- Yeah, and I mean, the thing is,

0:11:01they cannot even charge for a more premium experience,

0:11:06like a more boutique experience,

0:11:09because like Apple and Amazon are doing it for free.

0:11:12And those are, you know, especially Apple is the big player

0:11:15that Spotify is going up against.

0:11:17And so obviously you cannot go higher

0:11:20than high-res lossless because like,

0:11:22it's just, it's a silly thing.

0:11:24Like that's the sort of the top quality file format

0:11:27that you need to match and Apple is not charging for it.

0:11:31So if you're Spotify, you're already in trouble

0:11:32because you're like, well, our biggest competitor

0:11:35put it out for free, so now we cannot ask people for money.

0:11:38One potential approach could be,

0:11:40Well, what if you really go after the audiophile community

0:11:44and you try to sort of design this more boutique,

0:11:47this more premium experience around lossless music

0:11:52and high resolution lossless music?

0:11:55And the thing is, I just don't see Spotify doing that.

0:11:58Like, for example, Cobhuse, a music streaming service

0:12:03for audiophiles that we mentioned here on the show

0:12:05before.

0:12:07They are a relatively small company,

0:12:10but it's been around for years.

0:12:11And they have their own audience.

0:12:13They're very specialized, because they

0:12:15had the idea of combining the music streaming service, which

0:12:19by itself is not differentiated at all in this market anymore.

0:12:24And it's a music streaming service

0:12:25with different tiers of lossless music that you can pay for.

0:12:29And high res, of course, is the more expensive one.

0:12:31But in addition to that, they had the insight

0:12:35of doing a magazine.

0:12:37So you also get editorial content,

0:12:39like deep dives into albums, artist interviews,

0:12:42and all that sort of stuff.

0:12:44And they have a digital store where

0:12:46you can buy albums for your own personal music collection.

0:12:50So you can keep them in high res,

0:12:53sort of like Flack or other formats, I don't recall.

0:12:56So the insight is, well, we're just going to own the space,

0:12:59and we're going to go after the superfan

0:13:02of this kind of stuff.

0:13:03And the problem is Spotify is not the kind of company.

0:13:07So they wanted to offer this as a premium add-on

0:13:11for the mainstream Spotify service,

0:13:15and now they cannot do that anymore.

0:13:16But they also cannot put together a more niche offering,

0:13:22because that's just not in Spotify's DNA.

0:13:26They want big numbers.

0:13:27They want tons of people.

0:13:28They want tons of users.

0:13:29So now they're stuck.

0:13:30And when they're saying it's coming eventually,

0:13:33I think it's going to be eventually.

0:13:36eventually meaning when they can figure out

0:13:38how to put it out for free.

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0:15:27So two years ago, Apple bought a classical music streaming service named Primephonic

0:15:32and announced that they would be launching a standalone app for Apple Music subscribers

0:15:36by the end of 2022. It's now March 2023 and this app is currently available for pre-order

0:15:43on the iPhone. So it's here boys, Apple Music Classical, are you ready to rock out to some

0:15:51- Fuck.

0:15:52- Can't wait to do it.

0:15:53I'm gonna be lining up for March 28th.

0:15:56No, but seriously, I mean, this is not for me.

0:16:00- I feel like of the three of us,

0:16:01you would maybe be the one who would be most interested.

0:16:03- I'm gonna play around with it because it's-

0:16:06- Or Steven might because this was the music

0:16:07of his childhood.

0:16:08- Yeah, right.

0:16:09I mean, you know, his high school memories, you know,

0:16:12with some Mozart and Tchaikovsky.

0:16:14I mean, you know, he's all over that kind of stuff.

0:16:17I am gonna check it out because I'm keen to see

0:16:19what they did in terms of mixing and matching.

0:16:21Like one of the things about Primephonic

0:16:24and sort of the promise of Apple Music Classical

0:16:26is like different ways to browse the same piece

0:16:28by conductor, by orchestra,

0:16:31because classical music has different requirements

0:16:33than regular pop music.

0:16:35And so I'm gonna check it out,

0:16:36if only from a design perspective,

0:16:39I wanna see what they've done.

0:16:40And the podcasts that they should have,

0:16:43the interviews, the editorial curation,

0:16:46I am gonna be playing around with this.

0:16:48Obviously I don't normally listen to classical music,

0:16:52so this is not for me,

0:16:54but I'm also gonna be on the lookout

0:16:56for like expert opinions.

0:16:58There's a few Mac stories people that I know of

0:17:01that have been waiting for this.

0:17:03So I think this is really interesting.

0:17:05Probably took longer than expected

0:17:08to rebuild the service and come out two years later

0:17:12and it's pre-order iPhone only.

0:17:15And they haven't even committed to a Mac or iPad version yet,

0:17:20but to an Android one they have.

0:17:22That is perhaps the most surprising part of this for me,

0:17:25is that the Mac and iPad are just left out in the cold.

0:17:28I get that most people listen to most of their music

0:17:31on their iPhone.

0:17:32I think that's probably true.

0:17:33But this type of music listener, this type of consumption,

0:17:37is a little bit different than I think,

0:17:40how the three of us listen to music.

0:17:42and not having on the Mac and the iPad

0:17:45like limits those options for people.

0:17:48And it's like, also it's two years,

0:17:50like what are you even doing?

0:17:52- I had a theory on App Stories, I think last week.

0:17:57- It was in App Stories Plus, in fact.

0:17:59- App Stories Plus, okay, so I'm just gonna mention it here

0:18:02for free, unconnected.

0:18:05My theory is that they're gonna do an Android version

0:18:08for a couple of reasons.

0:18:10The first one is if folks that have an Android phone,

0:18:15because of the nature of Android

0:18:17and because most Android phones,

0:18:20if not all Android phones at this point have a USB-C port,

0:18:24it's much, much easier and more versatile

0:18:28than the iPhone and iOS to use external equipment

0:18:33like an external DAC and good headphones

0:18:36to enjoy this kind of music than with an iPhone.

0:18:40you just have much more freedom in terms of hardware

0:18:42that you can connect to your phone.

0:18:44You can use high resolution Bluetooth codecs.

0:18:48Those are also a thing that you can do on Android,

0:18:50like LDAC and aptxHD, I think it's the name.

0:18:55You just have more freedom.

0:18:56And the second theory sort of related to this is,

0:18:59Android, it's not just on phones,

0:19:02it also runs on those sort of dedicated audio file

0:19:07portable music players, such as the one that I have.

0:19:11So folks who maybe have their own personal music collection

0:19:15and they have a dedicated portable music player,

0:19:18like for example, my Astell & Kern one.

0:19:21I used to have a Sony Walkman one,

0:19:23and then I upgraded to one made by a company called

0:19:26Astell & Kern.

0:19:28And it runs on Android.

0:19:29And because it's Android, you can install Apple Music,

0:19:32you can install Tidal, you can install

0:19:35Rune, which I have in my home.

0:19:38And so making Apple Music classical on Android

0:19:41also means you're going after that niche market of people who

0:19:46have an Android-powered device.

0:19:48And the theory should be that on that sort of device,

0:19:51you will be able to install Apple Music because, you know,

0:19:54with the software update, the Apple Music app

0:19:56could be certified by the likes of Sony, Astell & Kern,

0:20:01Fio, which is another company that makes these devices.

0:20:04They're all based on Android, and so now you can enjoy classical music on your dedicated music device.

0:20:11So I think that's why they're doing it on Android, second.

0:20:14I think this is a fascinating theory with a perspective I never would have had, right?

0:20:19So I think it's good that you have it and can bring it to the show.

0:20:22But nevertheless, it surprises me that if that is the case, that they would care more about that than iPad.

0:20:30Does it surprise you?

0:20:32No, it does. I get it. I get the joke, right? But I just kind of can't get my head around

0:20:41why there is... So for the Mac, whatever, right? You know what I mean? Whatever.

0:20:47But for the iPad too, whatever.

0:20:49This is like a... There's like a history of this, right? Just apps on iOS and they're

0:20:54not on the Mac. But it's just super weird to me that they've yet to have... They don't

0:21:00have an iPad app, nor is there any news of one coming, but there is news of an Android

0:21:06app coming. It's just like, it just priority-wise just sounds so weird to me, but there's obviously

0:21:14something that I'm missing. You know, like obviously I think part of it is what you're

0:21:18saying Federico, that like this is Primephonic driving this, but I, we were talking about

0:21:23this on upgrade and someone wrote in to say like Primephonic had an iPad app and a Mac

0:21:29So like what's going on? Like at some point they thought it was important when

0:21:33Prime Pho- because you assume right, Prime Phonic is developing this like the

0:21:38Prime Phonic team that was bought by Apple is making this right? You would

0:21:42assume because otherwise why'd they do it right? So it's kind of like Beats

0:21:47right? When like they bought Beats, brought Beats in, had the Beats team make

0:21:51Apple Music. It's probably the Prime Phonic team making Apple Music classical.

0:21:55So it's just like, I don't know, it's strange.

0:21:57Maybe they like, maybe it's just like,

0:21:59it's as simple as it is in the face of it.

0:22:01They're obviously late making the app.

0:22:03And so they just prioritized.

0:22:05And so these, maybe they'll come later,

0:22:07but they've fallen by the wayside for now.

0:22:09But it's still just kind of like, sad.

0:22:13- I did not have it being announced

0:22:15as a app store pre-order.

0:22:18Like, I think that was the way this was gonna go.

0:22:20- I don't even know why they did that.

0:22:22Like, no, there was like,

0:22:24They didn't put anything on the newsroom, right?

0:22:26So there's no press release, but they put it up as a pre-order.

0:22:29If you look at the Apple newsroom, you know, there's plenty of space

0:22:32also for this kind of announcement.

0:22:34They put a lot of...

0:22:36Yeah, crap.

0:22:38I didn't want to say that, but they put a lot of content on the newsroom.

0:22:43And I mean, this should have at least, you know, be...

0:22:46No, but it's just like any company, right?

0:22:47Like, sometimes they're just putting up things which just like so few people care about.

0:22:53but they put them up anyway, right? Because it's press releases.

0:22:56They won't put the one thing that I really want to know on the newsroom.

0:23:00When is WVDC?

0:23:01When is WVDC? Apple.

0:23:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:23:04Maybe they got to get this out the door first and then they can turn their attention to WVDC.

0:23:08You know what? Maybe. Maybe that's what it is.

0:23:11All eyes on Apple Music classical. But anyway, speaking of music, I have a very

0:23:19small quick thing I want to mention. So we've been talking about Spotify. I've been using Spotify so

0:23:25far in 2023 because of my new setup at home with the Echo and we talked about that Spotify Connect

0:23:32and all that conversation. So this week I got a new Spotify design in the music section. So the

0:23:43So the way that Spotify now works, in the main home tab, you have two sections at the

0:23:49top that you can optionally click to sort of filter the main view.

0:23:54You have music, which is the first one, and podcasts and shows.

0:23:59If you don't click this, you stay in the main homepage design, which is a mix of all kinds

0:24:05of content.

0:24:06If you click into the music one, you just see music.

0:24:10week I got a new design. The thing is with Spotify, because they A/B test so many things

0:24:17and because they roll out things to a subset of users in the US first and later in the

0:24:21rest of the world, I don't know if this is the TikTok-like design I'm supposed to get,

0:24:29but it's a video-based design. So, see, and there's music playing with autoplay.

0:24:34- It's doing as it should.

0:24:37- It's doing its thing, and I'm getting to this.

0:24:40So what I got this week, when I click into the music page,

0:24:44is there's a grid of recommendations at the very top,

0:24:49followed by Instagram-like auto-playing videos.

0:24:54They're like Instagram stories.

0:24:57They have like the little progress bar at the top,

0:24:59and you can tap, tap, tap,

0:25:00and you can switch back and forth between these videos,

0:25:04Except they're not videos.

0:25:05Well, they are videos, but they are songs

0:25:08from a recommended album or playlist.

0:25:12And they auto play.

0:25:13And it's very easy to flick through all of this.

0:25:16Like one swipe takes you to the next item.

0:25:19It automatically centers in the middle of the screen.

0:25:22Like for example, now I scrolled

0:25:24and it took me to a recommendation

0:25:25for the latest album by the 1975.

0:25:28And it's playing a song.

0:25:29If I tap, it takes me to the next song

0:25:31in the album and so forth.

0:25:32Now, most people hate this, right?

0:25:36It's like, oh, why does Spotify need to, you know,

0:25:39be similar to Instagram or be similar to TikTok?

0:25:42Now, I'm not sure, again, I'm not sure this is

0:25:44the TikTok design everybody's talking about

0:25:47because it's not full screen.

0:25:49I think the new one is supposed to be full screen,

0:25:52but it's new to me regardless.

0:25:54Like I didn't have this before.

0:25:56It arrived a couple of days ago.

0:25:58And I'm gonna tell you, I don't hate it.

0:26:01Like, I actually find myself spending a lot of time just, you know,

0:26:09flicking through these recommendations and be like, oh, this, like this small snippet, it actually...

0:26:13Looking at these images, Federico, like on the Verge website, I think it might be,

0:26:18because the images that they're showing, they're not like proper full screen,

0:26:23but they have like the little lines, like an Instagram story post.

0:26:28That's it. So I think that's what I got.

0:26:30I sent you screenshots.

0:26:32Yeah, this looks like what they released.

0:26:34So it looks like you've got that new design.

0:26:36I've got to tell you, I kind of like it.

0:26:37Because it becomes a very quick way to see a bunch of recommendations,

0:26:42immediately get some feedback from your action,

0:26:47because you hear a snippet of the song.

0:26:50You've got to believe that Spotify is using some kind of algorithm or AI

0:26:53to determine the snippet of the song that sounds more enticing

0:26:57and interesting to you and it works. Like you're flicking through and you're like "hmm, let me see

0:27:02this" and you're here five seconds and you're like "yeah I wanna listen more of this" and so

0:27:06you click in and you start listening to the full playlist or maybe that specific song.

0:27:10It's actually quite nicely done and that leads me to the bigger topic of what's worse, trying

0:27:20something new every so often. I mean Spotify tries a lot of designs. They have that sort of like

0:27:28throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sick sort of UI approach. They change things a lot.

0:27:35Some things don't make it to, you know, the real version of Spotify for the masses, and some things

0:27:41they do. What's worse, doing that or being like Apple Music, which has been sort of stagnating for

0:27:48for like five years at this point.

0:27:50- I mean, I guess it depends on your taste.

0:27:52It's like some people would want that, right?

0:27:53They would want the staying.

0:27:55So like, I don't remember what podcast I heard this on,

0:27:58but I thought it was just like an interesting thing.

0:28:00It's like, look, they're doing this for a reason, right?

0:28:03Like they have the idea that people are gonna like this.

0:28:07This kind of media is very popular in other places

0:28:11and was, I'm sure also like, you know,

0:28:13like when stories came around, there were people

0:28:15that were like, "Oh, don't do this to my Instagram."

0:28:17And then when TikTok existed and then Reels came around,

0:28:21it's like, please don't do this to my Instagram.

0:28:22But like everyone keeps doing it, right?

0:28:24People keep consuming content this way.

0:28:28There is like the idea of what people think they want

0:28:30and what they actually do, you know,

0:28:32like the algorithmic stuff in general.

0:28:35And so like, this is just another example of that.

0:28:37Like Spotify believe that this is an approach

0:28:40that will increase engagement,

0:28:42which is what they're looking for.

0:28:43Like new music, it gives them the ability

0:28:46to place kind of like paid music.

0:28:51'Cause you know like music labels can pay Spotify

0:28:53to have their songs included in playlists.

0:28:56It's like one of the ways Spotify actually makes money.

0:28:58And so it gives them another avenue to do that.

0:29:01I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea.

0:29:05I like Apple Music's simplicity,

0:29:09but I know this wouldn't be for me

0:29:11because I'm not a new music person.

0:29:14Yeah, unfortunately you're not.

0:29:16But you know, it's like I have people in my life that are very good with music

0:29:22and they tell me stuff that's good and that's how I let new music into my life, right?

0:29:27You, Jon and my wife, like you are the people that care about finding new music.

0:29:33She uses Spotify, right?

0:29:35She uses and loves Spotify, yeah.

0:29:36Okay, yeah.

0:29:37Because she loves the playlists.

0:29:41Yeah.

0:29:42And so she finds new songs in the playlists, she hearts them, it goes into this awesome

0:29:46playlist that she has of her liked songs which she then curates, adds and removes stuff over

0:29:51time.

0:29:52It's a great playlist, we play it a lot at home, it's one of my favourite playlists.

0:29:55But like that's how, and then I find new music that way, like I'm not really like a "I want

0:30:01to explore and find new stuff" kind of person, like I just like music in that way.

0:30:05I think most people in their mid-thirties, right?

0:30:08I think it is rarer in our age to be on the hunt for new music.

0:30:15I think typically people find their music in their 20s, right?

0:30:18And then like, that's their music.

0:30:21That's kind of where I am, but a little bit's in here and there.

0:30:23And so like that, this whole thing is just not made for me.

0:30:27It's made for people who like to discover music.

0:30:29And I'm just not necessarily one of these people.

0:30:31Stephen, where do you stand on this?

0:30:33I don't use Spotify, but I don't like the new design.

0:30:36and I am much more like you than Federico

0:30:38when it comes to music.

0:30:39I think I'm in between you,

0:30:40but I think I'm closer to you in terms of,

0:30:42I mostly listen to stuff that I discovered

0:30:45from age 17 to 23,

0:30:48but I branch out some.

0:30:51- But I think this design really is tailored

0:30:53to the type of person that Federico is, right?

0:30:56Which is like, this is a quick way

0:30:58for you to get the hooks of new songs.

0:31:01And if you like those hooks,

0:31:02maybe you will like more from this artist.

0:31:04And so like, if I actually think that if that's what they're going for, which they are, right,

0:31:09like this is a good way to demonstrate that, right?

0:31:11Like, because as well, like, I know people like this.

0:31:14I don't like that Spotify is now playing screen is typically music videos.

0:31:19Yeah, like that really annoys me.

0:31:21Like, I don't want that.

0:31:22It's very nice.

0:31:24It's cool looking.

0:31:25If you like that, like that's good.

0:31:27And that only further makes this a good thing for you, right?

0:31:31where like it's more music video stuff

0:31:34and it's like quick hooks of songs

0:31:36and you can get an idea if you're gonna like them.

0:31:37It's like a good way to like triage a bunch of new music.

0:31:40Like I think that it, I think this will work for them

0:31:44even though a lot of the like public opinion is like,

0:31:47"Don't put TikTok in my Spotify."

0:31:49And it's like, "Yeah, well stop using TikTok then."

0:31:52You know what I mean?

0:31:53Like you're using TikTok.

0:31:54And so that's why they're doing this.

0:31:56If you didn't want that, they wouldn't do this,

0:31:58but you want that so they're doing this, you know?

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0:35:10- So I have a surprise topic for the show.

0:35:13- Yeah, sure you do.

0:35:13- I was waiting for the sound effect.

0:35:15Let's go. - Go on.

0:35:17- Let's quiz it up.

0:35:18- I don't want you talking about it.

0:35:19No, no, no, no, no, no, seriously, this is something else.

0:35:21So on last week's episode, right,

0:35:23we were talking a lot about AR and VR stuff.

0:35:25Steven, you weren't here, but--

0:35:27- I listened, it was great.

0:35:28- I know that you listened, you always listen,

0:35:30you're good like that.

0:35:31So we were talking a lot about like working in VR,

0:35:34and I had some experiences that I wanted to share.

0:35:37- Oh, so this is not the quiz.

0:35:38(laughing)

0:35:39Nah, see.

0:35:40- Welcome back to the Quizzies, all right, my curly quiz.

0:35:45My connected co-hosts randomly and by surprise,

0:35:49and a variety of varying subjects.

0:35:52My name is Mike Hurley, as I mentioned.

0:35:53Your competitors, Steven Hackett and Federico Vittucci.

0:35:56Hello.

0:35:57- Hello.

0:35:58- Welcome back to my podcast, "The VINNA Podcast."

0:36:03Steven, in 2023, you were at 440 points so far

0:36:08that you have allocated.

0:36:10Federico, you were in the lead this year with 530 points

0:36:14due to your great work with emoji guessing in the Jeremy's.

0:36:18Today we are going to be doing round two of

0:36:22Do the Passionate Ones Know You?

0:36:25- Okay.

0:36:26- I asked our audience, the passionate ones,

0:36:28to answer a selection of questions.

0:36:30I have totaled their answers,

0:36:32and I will need you to guess what results

0:36:34they are most likely to have given to those questions.

0:36:37There are five total answers available for each question,

0:36:41with points available starting at 50 points

0:36:43for the most popular answer,

0:36:45then going down to 40, 30, 20, 10.

0:36:49I have eight questions today.

0:36:51- Eight, okay.

0:36:52- So they're in pairs like last time, right?

0:36:55So we start, we are going to start today

0:36:59with what phone does Federico use?

0:37:00Then we will move on to what phone does Steven use?

0:37:04And we go on from there.

0:37:06So are you ready to begin with round two

0:37:10of the passionate ones?

0:37:12- Yes.

0:37:13So I asked the connected audience, the passionate ones,

0:37:17what phone does Federico Vatici use?

0:37:22That was the question.

0:37:23What phone does Federico Vatici use?

0:37:27Steven, I've forgotten how I do this, who goes first.

0:37:34The person, I think the person losing should go first.

0:37:37- Okay. - Okay.

0:37:38- And I think that's the way that I would do it now

0:37:41and then throughout the game,

0:37:43whoever's winning losing in the game will get the first guesses on each

0:37:47question. Does that make sense?

0:37:49That's fair. Yeah. So I will ask you, Steven,

0:37:52what phone does Federico use?

0:37:56The iPhone 14 Pro Max.

0:37:58And I should say at this point, no colors, sizes of like,

0:38:03storage or anything like that.

0:38:05Yeah. iPhone 14 Pro Max.

0:38:07The iPhone 14 Pro Max.

0:38:12That was the top answer.

0:38:14Yeah.

0:38:1550 points.

0:38:16Go to Steven. But you need to

0:38:18remember that something being

0:38:20correct is not necessarily

0:38:22what people will say.

0:38:24Right.

0:38:25You know what I mean?

0:38:26OK, so I'm going to go next and

0:38:28guess the other answers

0:38:30to this question.

0:38:31Oh, yeah.

0:38:32There are there are five answers

0:38:34available.

0:38:34They are incorrect.

0:38:35It doesn't matter again.

0:38:37OK, I feel like I need to restate

0:38:40this because this is important,

0:38:41especially for this particular game.

0:38:43I know we had, we had some set up issues last time.

0:38:46Yeah.

0:38:47Yeah.

0:38:48I don't.

0:38:49Yeah.

0:38:50I have asked a question.

0:38:51What people have answered is what they have answered.

0:38:54It does not matter if they are correct.

0:38:56Like Steven not only got the top answer, it was the correct answer, but it just happened

0:39:00to be the correct answer.

0:39:01It just happened to be lots of people gave different answers to that question.

0:39:05I'm just surprised they don't know the answer to these.

0:39:07Like how did the people know, don't know which one they had?

0:39:10I will tell you this was the highest answer at 61.7%.

0:39:14Nice.

0:39:15But there is 39--

0:39:18there are 39% of people that thought

0:39:20you were using a different phone.

0:39:22Interesting.

0:39:24OK.

0:39:24I am really struggling here.

0:39:29I'm going to say iPhone 14 Pro.

0:39:33That is the second highest answer.

0:39:3626% of people--

0:39:37Wow.

0:39:38I believe that you are using an iPhone 14 Pro right now.

0:39:4226% of people don't know me.

0:39:44Okay.

0:39:45Okay.

0:39:46What's more than that?

0:39:46It's like 39%.

0:39:48Yeah.

0:39:48I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 mini.

0:39:53There's people always projecting, you know,

0:39:55their love of small phones on other people.

0:39:57So I think it's happened to Federico.

0:39:59You are projecting this time, Steven.

0:40:01That is not one of the top five.

0:40:02I was projecting their projection is what's happened.

0:40:05was three people who said iPhone 13 mini. One person said iPhone 14 mini, which doesn't

0:40:13exist.

0:40:14That's not a phone!

0:40:15It's not a phone.

0:40:16Okay, I'm gonna say iPhone 13 Pro Max.

0:40:20That is the third highest answer. I have a theory on this, right, that some people forget

0:40:27what number it is.

0:40:29Like are we on the 13 or 14 now? I don't know.

0:40:33just forget because 20 people said iPhone 13 Pro Max.

0:40:38I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 Pro.

0:40:42And you would be right to get the fourth highest answer that is 20 points available to Steven.

0:40:47So there's the final answer.

0:40:49The final answer for 10 points is still available.

0:40:55I'm gonna go with the Google Pixel 7.

0:40:59Some persons said Google Pixel 5, which again, interesting, that is not in the highest answers

0:41:08there.

0:41:09I'm going to give you one more guess each.

0:41:13I'm going to go with the regular iPhone 14.

0:41:16Can't change it?

0:41:19Or too late?

0:41:22No, it's locked in.

0:41:24Like what would you have even changed it to?

0:41:27The plus.

0:41:28Okay, iPhone 14 is not in the top highest answers.

0:41:31My final answer is going to be nothing.

0:41:34Always a good one, but not in this instance.

0:41:38Okay. What was it?

0:41:39It's all iPhone.

0:41:41iPhone? Like the regional one?

0:41:44I don't know, but 11 people said iPhone, so I have to just go with what they're saying.

0:41:49They just said iPhone.

0:41:50Okay.

0:41:52Okay.

0:41:52So at the end of that round, we're on 70 points each.

0:41:58- Ooh, so because we're retiring, I'm gonna be kind

0:42:00and gonna give this one over to Federico

0:42:02for the first guess.

0:42:03Federico, what phone does Steven use?

0:42:07- What phone does Steven use?

0:42:08- Federico, I'll ask you as well.

0:42:09What phone does Steven use?

0:42:11Do you know? (laughs)

0:42:12- You know, with all the flip flop, I actually lost track.

0:42:14(laughing)

0:42:15- I don't know.

0:42:16I genuinely don't know.

0:42:17- Oh yeah, okay, that's good.

0:42:19Well, that's good to know.

0:42:20So it's not just me.

0:42:20I'm gonna go with iPhone 14 Pro.

0:42:23- Steven, do you use the iPhone 14 Pro?

0:42:25What's up for the listeners to decide really, isn't it?

0:42:28No, but I just want to know the answer to that.

0:42:29What's your phone?

0:42:30Now it's been put on the table.

0:42:31Do you actually use the iPhone 14 Pro?

0:42:33I'm on the 14 Pro Max.

0:42:34Oh, wait.

0:42:36Ooh, okay.

0:42:38Did you start out with that?

0:42:40Silent flip flop.

0:42:42Did you do that?

0:42:43You didn't tell her.

0:42:44Oh my God.

0:42:45(gasps)

0:42:46Oh my God.

0:42:47Oh, you know what Federico?

0:42:48I bet he told Mac Power users.

0:42:50Oh yeah.

0:42:51You know what I mean?

0:42:52They're nicer to me than y'all are.

0:42:53David's not nice to you.

0:42:55he makes fun of you all the time.

0:42:57The passionate ones agreed with Federico.

0:43:01The top answer was the iPhone 14 Pro,

0:43:03which I actually believe is the answer

0:43:06that they should have known

0:43:07because Steven hid his 14 Pro Max almost.

0:43:09- He said, he said, I'm getting an iPhone 14 Pro.

0:43:13- That's not a porno.

0:43:14- When did you do that?

0:43:15- It was really resuming. - Did you break your iPhone?

0:43:16- No, no, no.

0:43:18It was a situation where someone needed a phone

0:43:20and I helped him out.

0:43:22- Situation.

0:43:23Someone. Someone. A situation.

0:43:26A situation was me because I dropped my iPhone in a canyon.

0:43:29I haven't broken a 14 of any size.

0:43:33Well, you broke into the wrapping on a 14 Pro Max, didn't you?

0:43:37You broke our hearts, though.

0:43:39Why did you go from Pro to Pro Max?

0:43:41Come on, with all the secrecy, you're worse than me with my secret articles.

0:43:45I don't know about that. Let's not go that far.

0:43:49Stephen, you're up.

0:43:53iPhone 14 Pro Max.

0:43:55Not only are you correct, that is the second highest answer.

0:43:58You see what I'm saying Federico?

0:44:01You're outraged at first, right?

0:44:02Of like, what's the right answer?

0:44:03There was no way for people to know.

0:44:05Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:44:06I see what you mean now.

0:44:08So we come back around to you.

0:44:09I'm gonna go with the iPhone 13 Pro.

0:44:12The iPhone 13 Pro is the fourth highest answer, getting you 20 points.

0:44:18iPhone 13 Pro Max.

0:44:22The iPhone 13 Pro Max is not on the list.

0:44:26- Whoa.

0:44:27- Whoa, okay, okay.

0:44:30- iPhone 13 Pro Max, that was what you said, right?

0:44:34- Yep.

0:44:35- Was said by seven people.

0:44:37- Wow.

0:44:38- Wow, okay.

0:44:38I'm gonna go with iPhone.

0:44:41- Nice, not enough.

0:44:43Unbelievably, right?

0:44:45Nine people said it,

0:44:48which was less than the 11 that said it for you,

0:44:51- Okay.

0:44:53- Wild.

0:44:54- Yep.

0:44:55- I'm gonna say the iPhone,

0:45:00I'm gonna go back to the mini, the iPhone 13 mini.

0:45:03- That was the third highest answer.

0:45:05- Okay.

0:45:06- Netting you 30 points.

0:45:07You've never owned one of those, right?

0:45:09- No, my wife uses one and we use it for all time, I think.

0:45:13- Gonna give you one more guess,

0:45:14it shows one more iPhone on the list,

0:45:17the 10th, 10 points, which is the fifth highest answer.

0:45:20- I'm gonna go with iPhone 14.

0:45:23- That is it.

0:45:24- Okay.

0:45:25- Hmm, got it. - Okay.

0:45:26- That was the 10 point answer.

0:45:28Let me see, I've got some other interesting highlights

0:45:30on this one.

0:45:31We had iPhone 3GS.

0:45:33There was, oh, this happened on yours Federico as well.

0:45:38Multiple iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro Max.

0:45:43iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max.

0:45:46I don't know if these people think you have secret access

0:45:48or if they have also just lost the plot

0:45:51of where the numbers are.

0:45:52We had one palm.

0:45:53- And really, that's on Apple, right?

0:45:56It's not on the listeners, that's on Apple.

0:45:58- But for both of you, one person said banana phone,

0:46:02and I don't really know what that means.

0:46:04Yeah, banana phone.

0:46:05- I don't know.

0:46:06- As usual, there are always people in these answers

0:46:08who treat it like their own standup special,

0:46:10who give very funny answers.

0:46:12- Oh, I see, okay.

0:46:13- The only I ever read, because most of them

0:46:15I will never read aloud.

0:46:17Please stop doing that.

0:46:18At the end of the second round, Steven is at 140 points.

0:46:23Federico is at 150 points.

0:46:27- Ooh.

0:46:28- Okay.

0:46:29- So now we move into what watch does Federico wear?

0:46:34- Who's going first?

0:46:35- This will be for Steven because he is behind you.

0:46:39- I'm going to say,

0:46:40and thinking about when these questions were asked,

0:46:42the Apple Watch Series 7.

0:46:45- Good game play, my friend.

0:46:46- Yeah.

0:46:47That is 50 points to you.

0:46:48I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Series 8.

0:46:52That is 40 points for Federico.

0:46:54I'm gonna say the Apple Watch Series 6.

0:46:57That is not on the list.

0:46:59Hmm.

0:46:59Ooh!

0:47:00I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Ultra.

0:47:0320 points for Federico.

0:47:06There were just an amount of people who were just like,

0:47:08"He's on that train!"

0:47:10Even though at that time, you were not.

0:47:11Is it the fourth highest sensor?

0:47:14Or the third?

0:47:15That was the fourth highest sensor, yes.

0:47:16So the third and the fifth one are still missing.

0:47:19- Correct. - Okay.

0:47:20- How did you word the question again?

0:47:22- What watch does Federico wear?

0:47:24- I'm gonna say no watch.

0:47:27- That is 30 points, the third highest answer.

0:47:30No watch or he doesn't.

0:47:32- I'm gonna go with,

0:47:36so you said the six was not on the list.

0:47:41- Correct.

0:47:41- And no, so basically the equivalent of nothing

0:47:45is already in the list.

0:47:47- Yeah, I will run through what we got.

0:47:48The highest answer was Apple Watch Series 7.

0:47:50Second highest answer was Apple Watch Series 8.

0:47:52The third highest answer was no watch or he doesn't wear one.

0:47:56The fourth highest answer was Apple Watch Ultra.

0:47:59The fifth highest answer is what's left on the board.

0:48:01- I'm gonna go with Apple Watch SE.

0:48:04- Not one person wrote in to say that.

0:48:07- That's what I was gonna go next if you didn't guess.

0:48:10I'm gonna say, do I have another pick or are we done?

0:48:12- I'm gonna give you both one more.

0:48:13- Okay. - Okay.

0:48:14I'm gonna say like traditional watch,

0:48:17like a non-smart watch.

0:48:19- Like an analog watch or something like that?

0:48:21- Yeah.

0:48:22- This is split a little bit, you know,

0:48:24like lots of people giving brand names or whatever.

0:48:27That is not enough to get it on the board.

0:48:30- I mean, if the Series 6 is not on the list

0:48:32and analog watch is not, no watch, it's not,

0:48:36it's not the SE.

0:48:41I don't know. I'm going with a...

0:48:44I'm going with Apple Watch Series 4.

0:48:47Nobody said it.

0:48:48Okay.

0:48:49What was it?

0:48:50There was one person said Series 3.

0:48:52Four people said Series 5.

0:48:56Oh, was it an Android thing?

0:48:58No.

0:48:59You should have consulted previous questions

0:49:02because the fifth highest answer for 10 points was...

0:49:05Apple Watch.

0:49:06Uh...

0:49:07Mmm.

0:49:08It's that old one again.

0:49:10Okay.

0:49:11We got a few people saying two Apple watches.

0:49:14One person said sweatshirt and jeans.

0:49:17- Not a--

0:49:18- There was someone didn't understand this question

0:49:21because for both of them they answered the kind of clothes that you wear.

0:49:25Which I don't know what happened with this individual.

0:49:30But they-- maybe there's like a phrase that I'm not aware of.

0:49:34One person thought that you were wearing a Disney Gucci grip,

0:49:38which I don't even know what that means.

0:49:39That sounds cool.

0:49:41It sounds cool though, but that wasn't for you.

0:49:43And one person said something Italian.

0:49:46Okay.

0:49:47Which may have not been a bad, you know, went up.

0:49:50Yeah.

0:49:51So we now finish that round.

0:49:52It's very close today.

0:49:54Federico on 210 points, Steven on 220 points.

0:49:58Okay.

0:50:00So Federico, we go to you.

0:50:02Alright.

0:50:02For what watch does Steven wear?

0:50:05I'm going to go with Apple Watch Ultra.

0:50:07and you would get the highest answer 50 points in your pocket.

0:50:12Okay.

0:50:1282.2% of people said that.

0:50:17They got you nailed.

0:50:20The passionate wants no use, Steven.

0:50:21Yeah, big orange, you know?

0:50:24They knew that.

0:50:25I'm gonna say Apple Watch Series 7.

0:50:28It is on the board.

0:50:29It is the third highest answer.

0:50:3230 points for you.

0:50:33I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Series 8.

0:50:36That is the fourth highest answer, 40 points for Federica.

0:50:39Traditional watch.

0:50:41That is not on the list.

0:50:41I'm gonna go with...

0:50:44There are actually less people that said this for Steven and Federica.

0:50:48Like traditional analog watch or whatever.

0:50:51Can you go over the board again, Mike?

0:50:54The top three have been given so far.

0:50:56Apple Watch Ultra, Series 8, Series 7.

0:50:59Let me tell you, by the way, if you read the word "series" like 500 times,

0:51:05it just loses all meaning. Like I'm looking at it now like in the list of answers like because I

0:51:11have this like long list of every answer that gets calculated. The word series is a weird word.

0:51:16I'm gonna go with the Apple watch. Good memory. 20 points. Okay. It's the fourth highest answer.

0:51:21Federico's cleaning up in this round. Yeah it's not great. Federico scored 110 points in this

0:51:29question so so what were the answers in the slot you have to face high stance

0:51:37are left at ten points and we've said ultra series 7 7 and Apple watch yeah

0:51:44and it was not traditional watch that's the only answer that has been correct

0:51:48I'm gonna I'm gonna say the series for nobody said that at all mm-hmm give you

0:51:56one more each. No Apple Watch. Oh nearly a clean sweep for Federico as he picks up the 10 point

0:52:05answer. Wait wait wait wait wait wait I said traditional. Yeah that's not none. He said no

0:52:08Apple Watch. What's the difference? Well none. No watch. Nothing that one. No watch. I take that

0:52:14as no watch. That's not really what he gets. I know but it's the same thing like no watch right?

0:52:19I know, but I'm giving him the points.

0:52:22Collusion.

0:52:23Potentially, yeah.

0:52:25So at the end of that round, Steven has 250 points.

0:52:30Federico has pulled away with 330 points.

0:52:34Okay, how much? How much again? I'm sorry?

0:52:36250 for Steven.

0:52:38250?

0:52:38For 330 for Federico.

0:52:40Okay, okay. That's not bad.

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0:54:43The Gucci grip is a weird looking watch. It's not good. Don't like it. I don't understand

0:54:49why it's called grip and I don't understand why it looks the way that it does. It looks

0:54:55like a, like an old timey weight scale. Yes. Yes. We will now go to Steven for the first

0:55:02guess of the question, what is Federico's preferred iPad?

0:55:08The 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

0:55:11That is the top answer.

0:55:1250 points.

0:55:14Are we separating by size in this category?

0:55:19For the iPad Pros, yes.

0:55:21Yeah, OK.

0:55:22So I'm going to go with 11 inch iPad Pro.

0:55:25That is the 40 point answer.

0:55:27Yeah.

0:55:27Yeah.

0:55:28I didn't really have a good way to answer that question.

0:55:30So the cat is just like, yes, we are.

0:55:34- I'm gonna go to the humble iPad mini.

0:55:38- Now Federico, do you use the iPad mini?

0:55:40- No.

0:55:42- Well, it's the third highest answer.

0:55:4330 points go to Steven.

0:55:44- I'm gonna go with iPad Air.

0:55:45- That is the 20 point answer.

0:55:47You guys are clearing up.

0:55:50So we go back to you Steven,

0:55:51can you make it a full round of the board?

0:55:53- So that's a lot of pressure.

0:55:55So we've said 12.9, 11 inch.

0:55:58- iPad mini. - We said iPad Air,

0:55:59said iPad mini yeah I'm just gonna say iPad just iPad close that would have

0:56:07been the sixth highest answer wait what no I'll tell you it would have been

0:56:11there's no points available to it if that you know with the amount of

0:56:14supplies that it got it would have been six what I will tell you right now is

0:56:17what we are looking for has 0.4 percent of responses three people

0:56:24- Oh, honest with this.

0:56:27- Compared to the 500 people who said 12.9 inch.

0:56:31Federica, this is your guess.

0:56:33- Are there other iPads?

0:56:36Steven just said just iPad, right?

0:56:41- Yeah.

0:56:42- So that would be two people that said just iPad?

0:56:45- Yeah.

0:56:48- An iPad Mini has already been mentioned.

0:56:51I'm gonna go with no iPad.

0:56:54One person said no iPad.

0:56:56- That person knows Federico the least.

0:56:59- I'm gonna give you guys another go around on this one

0:57:01'cause this is fun for me.

0:57:02- Okay.

0:57:03- So Steven, you're back.

0:57:04- So it's gotta be like a really specific answer,

0:57:07I feel like.

0:57:08I'm going to say 2018 iPad Pro.

0:57:12- No, no, no.

0:57:13Yeah, I didn't include model years.

0:57:18I did like crunch together the model years.

0:57:20- Okay.

0:57:21- Federico, you had the final guess in this round.

0:57:24The question was about iPads, right?

0:57:27- What is, the question was,

0:57:29what is Federico's preferred iPad?

0:57:32- Preferred iPad.

0:57:35I mean, I don't know.

0:57:39I am out of, I'm out of answers.

0:57:44I'm just gonna say Surface Pro.

0:57:47- For this one, everybody did answer some kind of iPad,

0:57:53Right? Except for the fifth highest answer,

0:57:57where three people said, all of them.

0:57:59- Nice. Nice. Okay.

0:58:03- Which in their defense, at a certain point,

0:58:07has been true, right?

0:58:08Where all of these four have been your preferred iPad

0:58:11at different times.

0:58:12- Who's flip-flopping now, boy?

0:58:14- Yeah.

0:58:15- Indeed.

0:58:15- That's a very good answer. Okay.

0:58:17- We finished that round with Steven at 330 points,

0:58:21Federico at 390 points.

0:58:23So Steven did some good clawing back there.

0:58:26As we go to the next question, which predictably is,

0:58:29what is Steven's preferred iPad?

0:58:31And we will go with Steven as the first guess.

0:58:33- Wait, always Steven first?

0:58:36- Because you're beating him.

0:58:38- iPad mini, 50 points in your pocket.

0:58:41- 11 inch iPad Pro.

0:58:42- 40 points in your pocket.

0:58:44That's the second highest answer.

0:58:46- iPad Air.

0:58:47- Man, you guys are going fast.

0:58:47I haven't got time to put the answers in the sheet yet.

0:58:51- Yes, that was the third highest answer.

0:58:53That gave me a minute there.

0:58:56I got a second there to put the answers in.

0:58:58- I'm gonna go with iPad.

0:59:00- Three people said iPad.

0:59:03That is not enough.

0:59:04- No iPad.

0:59:05- 10 points.

0:59:07- That's the fifth one, so the fourth one is still missing.

0:59:09- That is the fifth highest answer.

0:59:10The fourth highest answer for 20 points is still available.

0:59:12- I'm going with the big iPad Pro, the 12.9.

0:59:17- That was it.

0:59:18Yeah, you guys did good on that one.

0:59:20Mm-hmm.

0:59:21So at the end of that round,

0:59:22Steven's at 420 points, he's blazing it.

0:59:26Nice.

0:59:26Federico's at 450 points.

0:59:29Still in the lead, but that lead is shrinking.

0:59:32But I mean, he keeps going first, so, you know.

0:59:34Yeah, boy.

0:59:35Well, you continue to lead.

0:59:37There should be a rule where you can only go first like twice in a row or something.

0:59:41Otherwise, there's no point in winning the previous games.

0:59:44You know?

0:59:46Sure there is.

0:59:47Mm.

0:59:48so anyway, I will just say to that that he has gone first, but you you have also

0:59:54gotten fifty point answers yeah, meaning he's still not getting them.

0:59:58That's the rule we can evaluate the rule at a different time. We go into the next

1:00:03round, which is what is federal coast preferred Mac

1:00:06steven you go first Mac many fifty point answer

1:00:10none

1:00:13ten points for federal. I thought that'd be higher.

1:00:18Honestly,

1:00:19MacBook Air.

1:00:2130 points.

1:00:22That is the third highest answer for Steven.

1:00:25MacBook Pro.

1:00:26You gonna ask for more?

1:00:2714 inch.

1:00:28That is it.

1:00:3040 points for Federico.

1:00:31We have the fourth highest answer on the board.

1:00:3420 points available.

1:00:3616 inch MacBook Pro.

1:00:3812 people said 16 inch MacBook Pro.

1:00:41That does not put it on the top five.

1:00:45The fourth is missing?

1:00:48the fourth is missing. Can you go over the list again please? Sure can. The highest answer

1:00:53was Mac Mini, then 14 inch MacBook Pro, then MacBook Air, then our missing answer and then

1:01:01none. I'm gonna go with iMac. I think this is kind of surprising. Nobody said iMac. Well

1:01:10because I never mentioned it. That's rough. Oh no I'm incorrect, there's five. I just

1:01:16missed it but it wasn't enough it wasn't enough but five people said iMac so

1:01:21wait Mac Mini 14 16 there's not a lot of Mac's left the Mac Pro three people said

1:01:28Mac Pro I'm going with Mac studio that was what was left the fourth I never

1:01:36mentioned the Mac studio in my life okay all right anyway and then at the end of

1:01:42that round 500 points apiece.

1:01:46Wow.

1:01:48So we go into the final question.

1:01:50OK.

1:01:51What is Steven's preferred Mac?

1:01:53Federico, you're up first.

1:01:56What is he even using at this point?

1:01:59Who could tell?

1:02:01You know what I mean?

1:02:02I mean, I'm torn between two.

1:02:05How would the passionate ones respond?

1:02:08OK, Mac Pro.

1:02:11That is the second highest answer.

1:02:13Yeah, okay.

1:02:1440 points.

1:02:15Mac Studio.

1:02:16That is the top answer.

1:02:1750 points.

1:02:18There are three more answers left on the board.

1:02:2014 inch MacBook Pro?

1:02:22The 14 inch MacBook Pro is not in our top five.

1:02:2613 people wrote in.

1:02:28Wow.

1:02:28That's wild.

1:02:29But it is not there.

1:02:30MacBook Air.

1:02:32That is the third highest answer.

1:02:3430 points.

1:02:35We have the fourth and fifth highest answer left.

1:02:40Mac Mini?

1:02:41Mac Mini, three people said Mac Mini.

1:02:44That is not enough.

1:02:46There were a lot of answers for this one, by the way.

1:02:48Like a lot of Ryans.

1:02:50- I'm sure some people were like,

1:02:52the Performa 6400, right?

1:02:53- It was split significantly.

1:02:55- I'm gonna give the 16-inch MacBook Pro a shot.

1:02:58- It's not there.

1:03:00- I'm gonna go with the iMacs that Steven collected.

1:03:08The, the, the, the plastic, what was it called?

1:03:11The iMac G3?

1:03:13Yeah, that one.

1:03:14The iMac G3 is the fourth highest answer.

1:03:17That is 20 points for Federico.

1:03:19Okay.

1:03:19That's so good.

1:03:20There's one left.

1:03:22I'll say this, this, this Mac left here, right?

1:03:28Was very close to making it into Federico's top five, but it did.

1:03:32Man, see that opens the door, right?

1:03:34Yeah.

1:03:35Yeah.

1:03:35Yeah.

1:03:35That's interesting.

1:03:37I will tell you that that gives you nothing, right?

1:03:41But it nearly made it.

1:03:42- Yeah, I don't know what it is, but that's interesting.

1:03:45One port MacBook, 12 inch MacBook.

1:03:49Nope.

1:03:50- I'm gonna go with the Cube.

1:03:52- That was it.

1:03:53- Yes.

1:03:54- G4 Cube.

1:03:56- Yes. - Come on.

1:03:57- Yes.

1:03:59- I'm not even mad, that's awesome.

1:04:01- The G4 Cube.

1:04:03But this is the fun thing.

1:04:04So the G4 Cube for Steven, where is it?

1:04:0927 people wrote in.

1:04:11For Federico, it was 18 people.

1:04:13- Love those people.

1:04:14Love those people.

1:04:15- There's some incredible answers in here.

1:04:17We've got the SE30.

1:04:19- I'm not that old, come on.

1:04:20- One person who just says it varies with the wind.

1:04:22Well, really that should have been the top answer.

1:04:25(laughing)

1:04:26We got, yeah, there were a lot of Mac Pro answers in here.

1:04:32Like Mac Pro came super close to being number one.

1:04:35Like very, very close.

1:04:37There were like, it was five responses different

1:04:40between making those one or two.

1:04:41- Wow, see that's why I was torn.

1:04:43- Yeah, you were super close.

1:04:44Like it was a very good.

1:04:46- Yeah, that's really good.

1:04:46- I guess one person said trashcan Mac Pro,

1:04:48which would have made it even closer,

1:04:50but I didn't lump those in.

1:04:51I should have, but I missed that one.

1:04:53But yeah, super close.

1:04:54- Okay.

1:04:55- So at the end of that round.

1:04:56- Yeah. - Okay.

1:04:58Federico scored 570 points.

1:05:02Steven scored 580 points.

1:05:06- Wow.

1:05:07- Super close.

1:05:09At the end of these quizzes,

1:05:11Steven is at 1,020, Federico 1,100.

1:05:16- Okay, wow.

1:05:17- Thank you very much for participating and listening

1:05:20to this edition of the quizzes.

1:05:22The quizzes will return at some point in the future.

1:05:25- I'm exhausted.

1:05:26Okay.

1:05:27The quizzes take a lot out of us.

1:05:29I agree with you, Federico.

1:05:30- Yeah, it is.

1:05:32Please wrap it up.

1:05:34I'm done.

1:05:34I can imagine, yes.

1:05:37Okay.

1:05:38- That's why I needed the Red Bull.

1:05:39Did you just open another one?

1:05:41- That's me with water because I'm exhausted.

1:05:44No, no, no.

1:05:44- Okay, I was gonna say, what are you doing?

1:05:46- Regular water, just water.

1:05:49- We're at the end of the show,

1:05:50don't have another Red Bull.

1:05:52Because we're at the end of the show,

1:05:53I'm gonna tell you all the stuff

1:05:54that I tell you at the end of the show.

1:05:56We have links to the stories we spoke about on the web

1:05:59and in your podcast player.

1:06:01On the web, they're relay.fm/connected/441.

1:06:06There's a couple of things you can do in both places.

1:06:08You can leave follow-up or feedback,

1:06:12or there's a submit a feedback link on the web

1:06:14and in the show notes, and that goes into our system

1:06:16and it's our follow-up and everything's come from.

1:06:18Thank you all who've been using that tool.

1:06:20It's been really awesome to see.

1:06:22You can also join and get Connected Pro,

1:06:24which is a longer ad-free version of the show

1:06:28each and every week.

1:06:29This week we spoke about a drink that was invented

1:06:33to save me from social embarrassment.

1:06:35It's incredible.

1:06:36You can find us all online.

1:06:38Federico is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net,

1:06:42head of the whole Max Stories extended universe.

1:06:45You can follow him at mastodon.maxstories.net as Vitici.

1:06:50Mike is the co-host of a bunch of other shows

1:06:53here on Relay FM.

1:06:54He's also the co-founder and product designer

1:06:56at Cortex Brand.

1:06:58And you can find him at mike.social.

1:07:01He's iMike over there.

1:07:03You can find me every Sunday on Mac Power Users

1:07:05and I write 512pixels.net.

1:07:08And I am ismh@eworld.social on Mastodon.

1:07:13I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,

1:07:14Squarespace, Things from Cultured Code and NetSuite.

1:07:19And until next week, guys, say goodbye.

1:07:21- I do that too.

1:07:22- Cheerio.