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0:00:02- From Relay FM, this is "Connected", episode 441.
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0:00:16I'm one of your hosts, Federico Vittucci,
0:00:18and it's my pleasure to introduce the returning,
0:00:22regular co-host of "Connected", Mr. Stephen Hackett.
0:00:25Hello, Stephen, welcome back.
0:00:27- Hey Federico, how are you?
0:00:28I'm good. We missed you. How are you?
0:00:30I am a good, it's good to be back.
0:00:33Good energy right there. Okay.
0:00:34Yes. And I am quiet. You've been introduced yet.
0:00:40Just cannot do it. You just cannot do it.
0:00:41He can't be contained. Uh, we're also joined by Mike Hurley.
0:00:45Hello. Hi. Hey Mike. Hello. How are you?
0:00:50I'm good. I feel like you had something specific to say to me. It's like,
0:00:54Hey Mike.
0:00:55- No, I don't.
0:00:56We have real time follow up.
0:00:58- Uh oh.
0:00:59- Like super real time happened 10 minutes ago,
0:01:02but we were doing the pre-show.
0:01:03- GetConnetPro.com.
0:01:04- iOS 16, yes, GetConnetPro.com.
0:01:07See iOS and iPadOS, 16.4 beta 4
0:01:12are both out for developers and I guess also WatchOS.
0:01:16tvOS and the HomePodOS betas were released yesterday
0:01:22for whatever reason.
0:01:24- iOS, yeah, iOS, iPadOS and watchOS are out now.
0:01:28I already have 16.4 beta four on my phone.
0:01:32I don't see anything new.
0:01:34I just assumed they're wrapping up this release.
0:01:36- This is good follow up then.
0:01:38- Well, I just wanted to tell you.
0:01:39- 16.4.4 is out and there's nothing new.
0:01:42- I'm just gonna tell you.
0:01:43It's out, go visit software update.
0:01:47You're gonna find it.
0:01:48- Get the bits.
0:01:49- Get some fresh bits, fresh hot bits on your device.
0:01:52I am preparing for updates on my iPad Pro.
0:01:56I'll let you know in a few minutes if I see anything new.
0:01:58I don't suppose I will, but I'll still let you know.
0:02:02End of the real time follow up.
0:02:03- Do you think they fixed stage manager?
0:02:05- Yes, they fixed it all.
0:02:07They made every window resizable and yeah, yeah,
0:02:11it's all in there in the beta four.
0:02:14Yeah, this very specific beta, it fixes stage manager, yes.
0:02:19- Apple is in on the long thigh.
0:02:22- I know, it took him so long.
0:02:24- Apple had a, and it may still be the top,
0:02:27anyways, at some point during the yellow iPhone release,
0:02:30which already feels like it was a thousand years ago,
0:02:33there was an illustration on apple.com
0:02:38of a person with a big yellow phone
0:02:41stepping over some buildings
0:02:43and their thigh is magnificent and long.
0:02:47- It's the longest thigh.
0:02:48They would be the thigh to beat, let me tell you.
0:02:50- Yeah, but it's cheating, you know, it's made by Apple.
0:02:54So it's, you know.
0:02:55- That right there is the thigh to beat.
0:02:57- Yeah, that's a massive thigh.
0:03:00- And then just yesterday, Apple published a video
0:03:04called "Hello, Yellow," just an advertisement
0:03:06for the yellow iPhone 14, using the same illustration,
0:03:10but now it, you know, moves and has music and stuff,
0:03:12and you can see the long thigh in action.
0:03:14So Apple clearly is following our lead once again.
0:03:17- Long thigh, tiny head.
0:03:19That's my ideal person right there.
0:03:22Love it.
0:03:22- That's the ideal human form.
0:03:24- Yeah, it's the golden ratio of the human form.
0:03:28You got yourself a long thigh, a tiny head, you're set.
0:03:32Perfect. - You're good.
0:03:33You're good.
0:03:35- Yeah.
0:03:35- Moving on to AR/VR.
0:03:37Ben wrote in, this is fascinating.
0:03:39Could Apple use the Apple Watch
0:03:42for more precise hand tracking with the headset?
0:03:45They do have precise hand tracking
0:03:47for the Apple Watch for accessibility use.
0:03:49- Yeah.
0:03:50- It's called Assistive Touch.
0:03:52This is a series of gestures you can use
0:03:55to navigate your Apple Watch.
0:03:58And so some of the examples are you can tap your index,
0:04:03finger and thumb, you can do that twice,
0:04:05you can close your hand in a fist
0:04:08and the watch can monitor and I guess recognize
0:04:12when that happens and then translate those to actions
0:04:16on the screen.
0:04:16really cool system and Ben tied it to this headset.
0:04:21And I think the idea of using the Apple Watch itself
0:04:25for this probably doesn't make sense
0:04:26'cause as Mike wrote in the show notes,
0:04:27are you going to wear two Apple Watches?
0:04:29Like, underscore does.
0:04:30- You stole my--
0:04:33- I credited you.
0:04:34Hat tip, Mike Hurley.
0:04:35- No, you stole the honor.
0:04:37Yeah, okay.
0:04:38- Yeah, but you stole it.
0:04:39I wanted to be the one to eviscerate Ben's feedback.
0:04:42You know what I mean?
0:04:43- I know, I'm not eviscerating his feedback.
0:04:45I think his feedback is good.
0:04:46No, I wanted to say like, this is one of those scenarios
0:04:50where you see one thing and just like,
0:04:52it must be connected to the other thing.
0:04:55You know, it's just like, what are you gonna do?
0:04:56Like you only do hand tracking on one hand?
0:05:00- On your dominant hand.
0:05:01What if they could use this assistive touch
0:05:04with something like, you know,
0:05:07their inside out tracking or,
0:05:09I don't think they're gonna have hand controllers.
0:05:11Maybe they'll have hand controllers, who knows?
0:05:13- Well, no, 'cause the, what's going on there
0:05:16It's actually using the sensors because they're attached to your wrist and it's like it's noticing physical changes in your hand movements
0:05:23Like it's not a camera, but could they I mean they've built all that
0:05:28It's just it was an interesting thing to touch on because I think
0:05:31Some of the latest rumors are like you're gonna type in the air. It's like what are you doing Apple?
0:05:36Everyone has hand controllers for a reason two Apple watches though
0:05:41That's why that's why the headsets so expensive is it comes with two Apple watches in the box think about that
0:05:47It's like there was previously a rumor that it would require air pods Pro
0:05:52To work so imagine if it's like yeah, you should use this but you need to buy two Apple watch ultras and airports Pro
0:05:59Yeah, so it's actually
0:06:01$5,000 by the time you've got all the stuff that you need which reminds me Federico of the original PlayStation VR
0:06:07Where it's like, oh yeah, just buy the headset.
0:06:10You also need the camera and the move ones,
0:06:13which no one can buy.
0:06:15- Ramon says to Apple Watch Series 3,
0:06:17that's why they quit selling it.
0:06:18They were putting them in the boxes for the headset.
0:06:21(laughing)
0:06:22- I mean, you'll be lucky if it comes with,
0:06:25you know what they'll probably do,
0:06:26they're gonna put a cable in it
0:06:27because it's gonna run on battery power.
0:06:30But if you're, like it's gonna be a super short cable,
0:06:33like a 90 centimeter cable.
0:06:34If you want a slightly longer cable,
0:06:36it's gonna be like $70 from the Apple store.
0:06:39Like what if I wanna put the battery pack on my couch
0:06:43and I wanna have like a two meter cable
0:06:45or a three meter cable. - It is.
0:06:47- That's gonna be an extra upgrade from the Apple store.
0:06:49- Timothy also wrote in about the AR/VR stuff,
0:06:52just really just complimenting you Federico
0:06:55about using these products and kind of making the,
0:07:00making the real like opportunity
0:07:03for your mind to be changed, I think.
0:07:05I think the three examples he gave opened the door to a world of new apps.
0:07:09It's just the kind of thing you have to try first.
0:07:11No, thank you. Thank you, Timothy. Yeah. That's nice. Thank you. Appreciate it.
0:07:15That was my goal. Yeah. Yeah.
0:07:17Big news. Big news, everyone. Spotify HiFi,
0:07:21announced in February, 2021 is still coming.
0:07:27Quote from the Verge. This is, uh, so we announced it,
0:07:32but then the industry changed for a bunch of reasons,
0:07:34Soderstrom once said. - For one reason.
0:07:37- We'll get to that one reason in a minute.
0:07:39So this is a quote from Spotify co-president,
0:07:43Gustav Soderstrom.
0:07:45- So I think it's Soderstream is what you're looking for.
0:07:48- Oh my God.
0:07:49- There you go.
0:07:50Thank you for saying that joke.
0:07:52So I didn't have to say it.
0:07:53And therefore you're the bad one.
0:07:55Soderstrom said on the latest episode
0:07:57of the podcast "Decoder,"
0:07:58"We are going to do it, but we're going to do it in a way
0:08:01where it makes sense for us and for our listeners.
0:08:04The industry changed and we had to adapt.
0:08:06We want to do it in a way where it works for us
0:08:08from a cost perspective as well.
0:08:10I'm not allowed to comment on our label agreements
0:08:12nor on what other players in the industry did
0:08:15for obvious reasons.
0:08:16Basically what happened here is Apple introduced Lossless
0:08:19and made it free.
0:08:20- Yeah.
0:08:21- Clearly not what Spotify was going to do.
0:08:24Spotify also does not have spatial audio of any kind.
0:08:29And so The Verge in this article was,
0:08:33this article written by J Peters and Chris Welch
0:08:37at The Verge were like suggesting that maybe
0:08:40Spotify will do some kind of like high end audio plan
0:08:44that would include these features, you know,
0:08:46and you pay more for it.
0:08:48I would still say that's probably not a great idea
0:08:50because like everyone else is doing it for free.
0:08:53Like Amazon does it for free, Apple's doing it for free.
0:08:56I mean, obviously it's clear why these companies can,
0:08:59because this is not their business.
0:09:02This is Spotify's business.
0:09:05So talking about spatial audio and stuff,
0:09:07I cannot recommend enough a recent episode of the Vergecast
0:09:12where Nilay Patel interviews Patrick,
0:09:16is it Spence?
0:09:20I'm trying to find the name in the article now.
0:09:22I really apologise.
0:09:23Patrick Spence, who's the CEO of Sonos, and Giles Martin, who is George Martin's son and
0:09:31legendary record producer who works for Sonos, which I didn't know was a thing.
0:09:37Wow, okay.
0:09:38He is Sonos' head of sound design and has worked there for years because they just introduced
0:09:44two new products, the ERA 100 and the ERA 300.
0:09:47And so basically they spend a ton of time talking about these new products and spatial
0:09:55audio because Charles Martin also consults with Universal.
0:09:59So he is doing spatial audio from both sides.
0:10:02It's fascinating.
0:10:04You touched on this, but I want to circle back to it.
0:10:06I think it really shows Spotify's position being kind of fragile because Apple and Amazon,
0:10:16they can absorb these costs
0:10:17in their other lines of business, right?
0:10:19I can't imagine Apple loses money on anything they do,
0:10:23but clearly moving to the higher bit rate
0:10:28and the coding and everything,
0:10:29like clearly that is costing them something
0:10:32in terms of labor and paying with and everything,
0:10:35but they can take the hit because the margins are built in
0:10:37and they have other lines of business, right?
0:10:39- I actually think that the cost is still at record levels.
0:10:42- Maybe. - I think that's
0:10:43where the cost is going.
0:10:44'Cause I think that's what Spotify is hinting at.
0:10:46- Maybe, but wherever the money ends up going,
0:10:48the point is, this is all Spotify has.
0:10:52And so they can't like leverage other parts of the business
0:10:55against a decision here.
0:10:56And so they're kind of stuck,
0:10:58which stinks if you're Spotify.
0:11:00- Yeah, and I mean, the thing is,
0:11:01they cannot even charge for a more premium experience,
0:11:06like a more boutique experience,
0:11:09because like Apple and Amazon are doing it for free.
0:11:12And those are, you know, especially Apple is the big player
0:11:15that Spotify is going up against.
0:11:17And so obviously you cannot go higher
0:11:20than high-res lossless because like,
0:11:22it's just, it's a silly thing.
0:11:24Like that's the sort of the top quality file format
0:11:27that you need to match and Apple is not charging for it.
0:11:31So if you're Spotify, you're already in trouble
0:11:32because you're like, well, our biggest competitor
0:11:35put it out for free, so now we cannot ask people for money.
0:11:38One potential approach could be,
0:11:40Well, what if you really go after the audiophile community
0:11:44and you try to sort of design this more boutique,
0:11:47this more premium experience around lossless music
0:11:52and high resolution lossless music?
0:11:55And the thing is, I just don't see Spotify doing that.
0:11:58Like, for example, Cobhuse, a music streaming service
0:12:03for audiophiles that we mentioned here on the show
0:12:05before.
0:12:07They are a relatively small company,
0:12:10but it's been around for years.
0:12:11And they have their own audience.
0:12:13They're very specialized, because they
0:12:15had the idea of combining the music streaming service, which
0:12:19by itself is not differentiated at all in this market anymore.
0:12:24And it's a music streaming service
0:12:25with different tiers of lossless music that you can pay for.
0:12:29And high res, of course, is the more expensive one.
0:12:31But in addition to that, they had the insight
0:12:35of doing a magazine.
0:12:37So you also get editorial content,
0:12:39like deep dives into albums, artist interviews,
0:12:42and all that sort of stuff.
0:12:44And they have a digital store where
0:12:46you can buy albums for your own personal music collection.
0:12:50So you can keep them in high res,
0:12:53sort of like Flack or other formats, I don't recall.
0:12:56So the insight is, well, we're just going to own the space,
0:12:59and we're going to go after the superfan
0:13:02of this kind of stuff.
0:13:03And the problem is Spotify is not the kind of company.
0:13:07So they wanted to offer this as a premium add-on
0:13:11for the mainstream Spotify service,
0:13:15and now they cannot do that anymore.
0:13:16But they also cannot put together a more niche offering,
0:13:22because that's just not in Spotify's DNA.
0:13:26They want big numbers.
0:13:27They want tons of people.
0:13:28They want tons of users.
0:13:29So now they're stuck.
0:13:30And when they're saying it's coming eventually,
0:13:33I think it's going to be eventually.
0:13:36eventually meaning when they can figure out
0:13:38how to put it out for free.
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0:15:27So two years ago, Apple bought a classical music streaming service named Primephonic
0:15:32and announced that they would be launching a standalone app for Apple Music subscribers
0:15:36by the end of 2022. It's now March 2023 and this app is currently available for pre-order
0:15:43on the iPhone. So it's here boys, Apple Music Classical, are you ready to rock out to some
0:15:51- Fuck.
0:15:52- Can't wait to do it.
0:15:53I'm gonna be lining up for March 28th.
0:15:56No, but seriously, I mean, this is not for me.
0:16:00- I feel like of the three of us,
0:16:01you would maybe be the one who would be most interested.
0:16:03- I'm gonna play around with it because it's-
0:16:06- Or Steven might because this was the music
0:16:07of his childhood.
0:16:08- Yeah, right.
0:16:09I mean, you know, his high school memories, you know,
0:16:12with some Mozart and Tchaikovsky.
0:16:14I mean, you know, he's all over that kind of stuff.
0:16:17I am gonna check it out because I'm keen to see
0:16:19what they did in terms of mixing and matching.
0:16:21Like one of the things about Primephonic
0:16:24and sort of the promise of Apple Music Classical
0:16:26is like different ways to browse the same piece
0:16:28by conductor, by orchestra,
0:16:31because classical music has different requirements
0:16:33than regular pop music.
0:16:35And so I'm gonna check it out,
0:16:36if only from a design perspective,
0:16:39I wanna see what they've done.
0:16:40And the podcasts that they should have,
0:16:43the interviews, the editorial curation,
0:16:46I am gonna be playing around with this.
0:16:48Obviously I don't normally listen to classical music,
0:16:52so this is not for me,
0:16:54but I'm also gonna be on the lookout
0:16:56for like expert opinions.
0:16:58There's a few Mac stories people that I know of
0:17:01that have been waiting for this.
0:17:03So I think this is really interesting.
0:17:05Probably took longer than expected
0:17:08to rebuild the service and come out two years later
0:17:12and it's pre-order iPhone only.
0:17:15And they haven't even committed to a Mac or iPad version yet,
0:17:20but to an Android one they have.
0:17:22That is perhaps the most surprising part of this for me,
0:17:25is that the Mac and iPad are just left out in the cold.
0:17:28I get that most people listen to most of their music
0:17:31on their iPhone.
0:17:32I think that's probably true.
0:17:33But this type of music listener, this type of consumption,
0:17:37is a little bit different than I think,
0:17:40how the three of us listen to music.
0:17:42and not having on the Mac and the iPad
0:17:45like limits those options for people.
0:17:48And it's like, also it's two years,
0:17:50like what are you even doing?
0:17:52- I had a theory on App Stories, I think last week.
0:17:57- It was in App Stories Plus, in fact.
0:17:59- App Stories Plus, okay, so I'm just gonna mention it here
0:18:02for free, unconnected.
0:18:05My theory is that they're gonna do an Android version
0:18:08for a couple of reasons.
0:18:10The first one is if folks that have an Android phone,
0:18:15because of the nature of Android
0:18:17and because most Android phones,
0:18:20if not all Android phones at this point have a USB-C port,
0:18:24it's much, much easier and more versatile
0:18:28than the iPhone and iOS to use external equipment
0:18:33like an external DAC and good headphones
0:18:36to enjoy this kind of music than with an iPhone.
0:18:40you just have much more freedom in terms of hardware
0:18:42that you can connect to your phone.
0:18:44You can use high resolution Bluetooth codecs.
0:18:48Those are also a thing that you can do on Android,
0:18:50like LDAC and aptxHD, I think it's the name.
0:18:55You just have more freedom.
0:18:56And the second theory sort of related to this is,
0:18:59Android, it's not just on phones,
0:19:02it also runs on those sort of dedicated audio file
0:19:07portable music players, such as the one that I have.
0:19:11So folks who maybe have their own personal music collection
0:19:15and they have a dedicated portable music player,
0:19:18like for example, my Astell & Kern one.
0:19:21I used to have a Sony Walkman one,
0:19:23and then I upgraded to one made by a company called
0:19:26Astell & Kern.
0:19:28And it runs on Android.
0:19:29And because it's Android, you can install Apple Music,
0:19:32you can install Tidal, you can install
0:19:35Rune, which I have in my home.
0:19:38And so making Apple Music classical on Android
0:19:41also means you're going after that niche market of people who
0:19:46have an Android-powered device.
0:19:48And the theory should be that on that sort of device,
0:19:51you will be able to install Apple Music because, you know,
0:19:54with the software update, the Apple Music app
0:19:56could be certified by the likes of Sony, Astell & Kern,
0:20:01Fio, which is another company that makes these devices.
0:20:04They're all based on Android, and so now you can enjoy classical music on your dedicated music device.
0:20:11So I think that's why they're doing it on Android, second.
0:20:14I think this is a fascinating theory with a perspective I never would have had, right?
0:20:19So I think it's good that you have it and can bring it to the show.
0:20:22But nevertheless, it surprises me that if that is the case, that they would care more about that than iPad.
0:20:30Does it surprise you?
0:20:32No, it does. I get it. I get the joke, right? But I just kind of can't get my head around
0:20:41why there is... So for the Mac, whatever, right? You know what I mean? Whatever.
0:20:47But for the iPad too, whatever.
0:20:49This is like a... There's like a history of this, right? Just apps on iOS and they're
0:20:54not on the Mac. But it's just super weird to me that they've yet to have... They don't
0:21:00have an iPad app, nor is there any news of one coming, but there is news of an Android
0:21:06app coming. It's just like, it just priority-wise just sounds so weird to me, but there's obviously
0:21:14something that I'm missing. You know, like obviously I think part of it is what you're
0:21:18saying Federico, that like this is Primephonic driving this, but I, we were talking about
0:21:23this on upgrade and someone wrote in to say like Primephonic had an iPad app and a Mac
0:21:29So like what's going on? Like at some point they thought it was important when
0:21:33Prime Pho- because you assume right, Prime Phonic is developing this like the
0:21:38Prime Phonic team that was bought by Apple is making this right? You would
0:21:42assume because otherwise why'd they do it right? So it's kind of like Beats
0:21:47right? When like they bought Beats, brought Beats in, had the Beats team make
0:21:51Apple Music. It's probably the Prime Phonic team making Apple Music classical.
0:21:55So it's just like, I don't know, it's strange.
0:21:57Maybe they like, maybe it's just like,
0:21:59it's as simple as it is in the face of it.
0:22:01They're obviously late making the app.
0:22:03And so they just prioritized.
0:22:05And so these, maybe they'll come later,
0:22:07but they've fallen by the wayside for now.
0:22:09But it's still just kind of like, sad.
0:22:13- I did not have it being announced
0:22:15as a app store pre-order.
0:22:18Like, I think that was the way this was gonna go.
0:22:20- I don't even know why they did that.
0:22:22Like, no, there was like,
0:22:24They didn't put anything on the newsroom, right?
0:22:26So there's no press release, but they put it up as a pre-order.
0:22:29If you look at the Apple newsroom, you know, there's plenty of space
0:22:32also for this kind of announcement.
0:22:34They put a lot of...
0:22:36Yeah, crap.
0:22:38I didn't want to say that, but they put a lot of content on the newsroom.
0:22:43And I mean, this should have at least, you know, be...
0:22:46No, but it's just like any company, right?
0:22:47Like, sometimes they're just putting up things which just like so few people care about.
0:22:53but they put them up anyway, right? Because it's press releases.
0:22:56They won't put the one thing that I really want to know on the newsroom.
0:23:00When is WVDC?
0:23:01When is WVDC? Apple.
0:23:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:23:04Maybe they got to get this out the door first and then they can turn their attention to WVDC.
0:23:08You know what? Maybe. Maybe that's what it is.
0:23:11All eyes on Apple Music classical. But anyway, speaking of music, I have a very
0:23:19small quick thing I want to mention. So we've been talking about Spotify. I've been using Spotify so
0:23:25far in 2023 because of my new setup at home with the Echo and we talked about that Spotify Connect
0:23:32and all that conversation. So this week I got a new Spotify design in the music section. So the
0:23:43So the way that Spotify now works, in the main home tab, you have two sections at the
0:23:49top that you can optionally click to sort of filter the main view.
0:23:54You have music, which is the first one, and podcasts and shows.
0:23:59If you don't click this, you stay in the main homepage design, which is a mix of all kinds
0:24:05of content.
0:24:06If you click into the music one, you just see music.
0:24:10week I got a new design. The thing is with Spotify, because they A/B test so many things
0:24:17and because they roll out things to a subset of users in the US first and later in the
0:24:21rest of the world, I don't know if this is the TikTok-like design I'm supposed to get,
0:24:29but it's a video-based design. So, see, and there's music playing with autoplay.
0:24:34- It's doing as it should.
0:24:37- It's doing its thing, and I'm getting to this.
0:24:40So what I got this week, when I click into the music page,
0:24:44is there's a grid of recommendations at the very top,
0:24:49followed by Instagram-like auto-playing videos.
0:24:54They're like Instagram stories.
0:24:57They have like the little progress bar at the top,
0:24:59and you can tap, tap, tap,
0:25:00and you can switch back and forth between these videos,
0:25:04Except they're not videos.
0:25:05Well, they are videos, but they are songs
0:25:08from a recommended album or playlist.
0:25:12And they auto play.
0:25:13And it's very easy to flick through all of this.
0:25:16Like one swipe takes you to the next item.
0:25:19It automatically centers in the middle of the screen.
0:25:22Like for example, now I scrolled
0:25:24and it took me to a recommendation
0:25:25for the latest album by the 1975.
0:25:28And it's playing a song.
0:25:29If I tap, it takes me to the next song
0:25:31in the album and so forth.
0:25:32Now, most people hate this, right?
0:25:36It's like, oh, why does Spotify need to, you know,
0:25:39be similar to Instagram or be similar to TikTok?
0:25:42Now, I'm not sure, again, I'm not sure this is
0:25:44the TikTok design everybody's talking about
0:25:47because it's not full screen.
0:25:49I think the new one is supposed to be full screen,
0:25:52but it's new to me regardless.
0:25:54Like I didn't have this before.
0:25:56It arrived a couple of days ago.
0:25:58And I'm gonna tell you, I don't hate it.
0:26:01Like, I actually find myself spending a lot of time just, you know,
0:26:09flicking through these recommendations and be like, oh, this, like this small snippet, it actually...
0:26:13Looking at these images, Federico, like on the Verge website, I think it might be,
0:26:18because the images that they're showing, they're not like proper full screen,
0:26:23but they have like the little lines, like an Instagram story post.
0:26:28That's it. So I think that's what I got.
0:26:30I sent you screenshots.
0:26:32Yeah, this looks like what they released.
0:26:34So it looks like you've got that new design.
0:26:36I've got to tell you, I kind of like it.
0:26:37Because it becomes a very quick way to see a bunch of recommendations,
0:26:42immediately get some feedback from your action,
0:26:47because you hear a snippet of the song.
0:26:50You've got to believe that Spotify is using some kind of algorithm or AI
0:26:53to determine the snippet of the song that sounds more enticing
0:26:57and interesting to you and it works. Like you're flicking through and you're like "hmm, let me see
0:27:02this" and you're here five seconds and you're like "yeah I wanna listen more of this" and so
0:27:06you click in and you start listening to the full playlist or maybe that specific song.
0:27:10It's actually quite nicely done and that leads me to the bigger topic of what's worse, trying
0:27:20something new every so often. I mean Spotify tries a lot of designs. They have that sort of like
0:27:28throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sick sort of UI approach. They change things a lot.
0:27:35Some things don't make it to, you know, the real version of Spotify for the masses, and some things
0:27:41they do. What's worse, doing that or being like Apple Music, which has been sort of stagnating for
0:27:48for like five years at this point.
0:27:50- I mean, I guess it depends on your taste.
0:27:52It's like some people would want that, right?
0:27:53They would want the staying.
0:27:55So like, I don't remember what podcast I heard this on,
0:27:58but I thought it was just like an interesting thing.
0:28:00It's like, look, they're doing this for a reason, right?
0:28:03Like they have the idea that people are gonna like this.
0:28:07This kind of media is very popular in other places
0:28:11and was, I'm sure also like, you know,
0:28:13like when stories came around, there were people
0:28:15that were like, "Oh, don't do this to my Instagram."
0:28:17And then when TikTok existed and then Reels came around,
0:28:21it's like, please don't do this to my Instagram.
0:28:22But like everyone keeps doing it, right?
0:28:24People keep consuming content this way.
0:28:28There is like the idea of what people think they want
0:28:30and what they actually do, you know,
0:28:32like the algorithmic stuff in general.
0:28:35And so like, this is just another example of that.
0:28:37Like Spotify believe that this is an approach
0:28:40that will increase engagement,
0:28:42which is what they're looking for.
0:28:43Like new music, it gives them the ability
0:28:46to place kind of like paid music.
0:28:51'Cause you know like music labels can pay Spotify
0:28:53to have their songs included in playlists.
0:28:56It's like one of the ways Spotify actually makes money.
0:28:58And so it gives them another avenue to do that.
0:29:01I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea.
0:29:05I like Apple Music's simplicity,
0:29:09but I know this wouldn't be for me
0:29:11because I'm not a new music person.
0:29:14Yeah, unfortunately you're not.
0:29:16But you know, it's like I have people in my life that are very good with music
0:29:22and they tell me stuff that's good and that's how I let new music into my life, right?
0:29:27You, Jon and my wife, like you are the people that care about finding new music.
0:29:33She uses Spotify, right?
0:29:35She uses and loves Spotify, yeah.
0:29:36Okay, yeah.
0:29:37Because she loves the playlists.
0:29:41Yeah.
0:29:42And so she finds new songs in the playlists, she hearts them, it goes into this awesome
0:29:46playlist that she has of her liked songs which she then curates, adds and removes stuff over
0:29:51time.
0:29:52It's a great playlist, we play it a lot at home, it's one of my favourite playlists.
0:29:55But like that's how, and then I find new music that way, like I'm not really like a "I want
0:30:01to explore and find new stuff" kind of person, like I just like music in that way.
0:30:05I think most people in their mid-thirties, right?
0:30:08I think it is rarer in our age to be on the hunt for new music.
0:30:15I think typically people find their music in their 20s, right?
0:30:18And then like, that's their music.
0:30:21That's kind of where I am, but a little bit's in here and there.
0:30:23And so like that, this whole thing is just not made for me.
0:30:27It's made for people who like to discover music.
0:30:29And I'm just not necessarily one of these people.
0:30:31Stephen, where do you stand on this?
0:30:33I don't use Spotify, but I don't like the new design.
0:30:36and I am much more like you than Federico
0:30:38when it comes to music.
0:30:39I think I'm in between you,
0:30:40but I think I'm closer to you in terms of,
0:30:42I mostly listen to stuff that I discovered
0:30:45from age 17 to 23,
0:30:48but I branch out some.
0:30:51- But I think this design really is tailored
0:30:53to the type of person that Federico is, right?
0:30:56Which is like, this is a quick way
0:30:58for you to get the hooks of new songs.
0:31:01And if you like those hooks,
0:31:02maybe you will like more from this artist.
0:31:04And so like, if I actually think that if that's what they're going for, which they are, right,
0:31:09like this is a good way to demonstrate that, right?
0:31:11Like, because as well, like, I know people like this.
0:31:14I don't like that Spotify is now playing screen is typically music videos.
0:31:19Yeah, like that really annoys me.
0:31:21Like, I don't want that.
0:31:22It's very nice.
0:31:24It's cool looking.
0:31:25If you like that, like that's good.
0:31:27And that only further makes this a good thing for you, right?
0:31:31where like it's more music video stuff
0:31:34and it's like quick hooks of songs
0:31:36and you can get an idea if you're gonna like them.
0:31:37It's like a good way to like triage a bunch of new music.
0:31:40Like I think that it, I think this will work for them
0:31:44even though a lot of the like public opinion is like,
0:31:47"Don't put TikTok in my Spotify."
0:31:49And it's like, "Yeah, well stop using TikTok then."
0:31:52You know what I mean?
0:31:53Like you're using TikTok.
0:31:54And so that's why they're doing this.
0:31:56If you didn't want that, they wouldn't do this,
0:31:58but you want that so they're doing this, you know?
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0:35:10- So I have a surprise topic for the show.
0:35:13- Yeah, sure you do.
0:35:13- I was waiting for the sound effect.
0:35:15Let's go. - Go on.
0:35:17- Let's quiz it up.
0:35:18- I don't want you talking about it.
0:35:19No, no, no, no, no, no, seriously, this is something else.
0:35:21So on last week's episode, right,
0:35:23we were talking a lot about AR and VR stuff.
0:35:25Steven, you weren't here, but--
0:35:27- I listened, it was great.
0:35:28- I know that you listened, you always listen,
0:35:30you're good like that.
0:35:31So we were talking a lot about like working in VR,
0:35:34and I had some experiences that I wanted to share.
0:35:37- Oh, so this is not the quiz.
0:35:38(laughing)
0:35:39Nah, see.
0:35:40- Welcome back to the Quizzies, all right, my curly quiz.
0:35:45My connected co-hosts randomly and by surprise,
0:35:49and a variety of varying subjects.
0:35:52My name is Mike Hurley, as I mentioned.
0:35:53Your competitors, Steven Hackett and Federico Vittucci.
0:35:56Hello.
0:35:57- Hello.
0:35:58- Welcome back to my podcast, "The VINNA Podcast."
0:36:03Steven, in 2023, you were at 440 points so far
0:36:08that you have allocated.
0:36:10Federico, you were in the lead this year with 530 points
0:36:14due to your great work with emoji guessing in the Jeremy's.
0:36:18Today we are going to be doing round two of
0:36:22Do the Passionate Ones Know You?
0:36:25- Okay.
0:36:26- I asked our audience, the passionate ones,
0:36:28to answer a selection of questions.
0:36:30I have totaled their answers,
0:36:32and I will need you to guess what results
0:36:34they are most likely to have given to those questions.
0:36:37There are five total answers available for each question,
0:36:41with points available starting at 50 points
0:36:43for the most popular answer,
0:36:45then going down to 40, 30, 20, 10.
0:36:49I have eight questions today.
0:36:51- Eight, okay.
0:36:52- So they're in pairs like last time, right?
0:36:55So we start, we are going to start today
0:36:59with what phone does Federico use?
0:37:00Then we will move on to what phone does Steven use?
0:37:04And we go on from there.
0:37:06So are you ready to begin with round two
0:37:10of the passionate ones?
0:37:12- Yes.
0:37:13So I asked the connected audience, the passionate ones,
0:37:17what phone does Federico Vatici use?
0:37:22That was the question.
0:37:23What phone does Federico Vatici use?
0:37:27Steven, I've forgotten how I do this, who goes first.
0:37:34The person, I think the person losing should go first.
0:37:37- Okay. - Okay.
0:37:38- And I think that's the way that I would do it now
0:37:41and then throughout the game,
0:37:43whoever's winning losing in the game will get the first guesses on each
0:37:47question. Does that make sense?
0:37:49That's fair. Yeah. So I will ask you, Steven,
0:37:52what phone does Federico use?
0:37:56The iPhone 14 Pro Max.
0:37:58And I should say at this point, no colors, sizes of like,
0:38:03storage or anything like that.
0:38:05Yeah. iPhone 14 Pro Max.
0:38:07The iPhone 14 Pro Max.
0:38:12That was the top answer.
0:38:14Yeah.
0:38:1550 points.
0:38:16Go to Steven. But you need to
0:38:18remember that something being
0:38:20correct is not necessarily
0:38:22what people will say.
0:38:24Right.
0:38:25You know what I mean?
0:38:26OK, so I'm going to go next and
0:38:28guess the other answers
0:38:30to this question.
0:38:31Oh, yeah.
0:38:32There are there are five answers
0:38:34available.
0:38:34They are incorrect.
0:38:35It doesn't matter again.
0:38:37OK, I feel like I need to restate
0:38:40this because this is important,
0:38:41especially for this particular game.
0:38:43I know we had, we had some set up issues last time.
0:38:46Yeah.
0:38:47Yeah.
0:38:48I don't.
0:38:49Yeah.
0:38:50I have asked a question.
0:38:51What people have answered is what they have answered.
0:38:54It does not matter if they are correct.
0:38:56Like Steven not only got the top answer, it was the correct answer, but it just happened
0:39:00to be the correct answer.
0:39:01It just happened to be lots of people gave different answers to that question.
0:39:05I'm just surprised they don't know the answer to these.
0:39:07Like how did the people know, don't know which one they had?
0:39:10I will tell you this was the highest answer at 61.7%.
0:39:14Nice.
0:39:15But there is 39--
0:39:18there are 39% of people that thought
0:39:20you were using a different phone.
0:39:22Interesting.
0:39:24OK.
0:39:24I am really struggling here.
0:39:29I'm going to say iPhone 14 Pro.
0:39:33That is the second highest answer.
0:39:3626% of people--
0:39:37Wow.
0:39:38I believe that you are using an iPhone 14 Pro right now.
0:39:4226% of people don't know me.
0:39:44Okay.
0:39:45Okay.
0:39:46What's more than that?
0:39:46It's like 39%.
0:39:48Yeah.
0:39:48I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 mini.
0:39:53There's people always projecting, you know,
0:39:55their love of small phones on other people.
0:39:57So I think it's happened to Federico.
0:39:59You are projecting this time, Steven.
0:40:01That is not one of the top five.
0:40:02I was projecting their projection is what's happened.
0:40:05was three people who said iPhone 13 mini. One person said iPhone 14 mini, which doesn't
0:40:13exist.
0:40:14That's not a phone!
0:40:15It's not a phone.
0:40:16Okay, I'm gonna say iPhone 13 Pro Max.
0:40:20That is the third highest answer. I have a theory on this, right, that some people forget
0:40:27what number it is.
0:40:29Like are we on the 13 or 14 now? I don't know.
0:40:33just forget because 20 people said iPhone 13 Pro Max.
0:40:38I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 Pro.
0:40:42And you would be right to get the fourth highest answer that is 20 points available to Steven.
0:40:47So there's the final answer.
0:40:49The final answer for 10 points is still available.
0:40:55I'm gonna go with the Google Pixel 7.
0:40:59Some persons said Google Pixel 5, which again, interesting, that is not in the highest answers
0:41:08there.
0:41:09I'm going to give you one more guess each.
0:41:13I'm going to go with the regular iPhone 14.
0:41:16Can't change it?
0:41:19Or too late?
0:41:22No, it's locked in.
0:41:24Like what would you have even changed it to?
0:41:27The plus.
0:41:28Okay, iPhone 14 is not in the top highest answers.
0:41:31My final answer is going to be nothing.
0:41:34Always a good one, but not in this instance.
0:41:38Okay. What was it?
0:41:39It's all iPhone.
0:41:41iPhone? Like the regional one?
0:41:44I don't know, but 11 people said iPhone, so I have to just go with what they're saying.
0:41:49They just said iPhone.
0:41:50Okay.
0:41:52Okay.
0:41:52So at the end of that round, we're on 70 points each.
0:41:58- Ooh, so because we're retiring, I'm gonna be kind
0:42:00and gonna give this one over to Federico
0:42:02for the first guess.
0:42:03Federico, what phone does Steven use?
0:42:07- What phone does Steven use?
0:42:08- Federico, I'll ask you as well.
0:42:09What phone does Steven use?
0:42:11Do you know? (laughs)
0:42:12- You know, with all the flip flop, I actually lost track.
0:42:14(laughing)
0:42:15- I don't know.
0:42:16I genuinely don't know.
0:42:17- Oh yeah, okay, that's good.
0:42:19Well, that's good to know.
0:42:20So it's not just me.
0:42:20I'm gonna go with iPhone 14 Pro.
0:42:23- Steven, do you use the iPhone 14 Pro?
0:42:25What's up for the listeners to decide really, isn't it?
0:42:28No, but I just want to know the answer to that.
0:42:29What's your phone?
0:42:30Now it's been put on the table.
0:42:31Do you actually use the iPhone 14 Pro?
0:42:33I'm on the 14 Pro Max.
0:42:34Oh, wait.
0:42:36Ooh, okay.
0:42:38Did you start out with that?
0:42:40Silent flip flop.
0:42:42Did you do that?
0:42:43You didn't tell her.
0:42:44Oh my God.
0:42:45(gasps)
0:42:46Oh my God.
0:42:47Oh, you know what Federico?
0:42:48I bet he told Mac Power users.
0:42:50Oh yeah.
0:42:51You know what I mean?
0:42:52They're nicer to me than y'all are.
0:42:53David's not nice to you.
0:42:55he makes fun of you all the time.
0:42:57The passionate ones agreed with Federico.
0:43:01The top answer was the iPhone 14 Pro,
0:43:03which I actually believe is the answer
0:43:06that they should have known
0:43:07because Steven hid his 14 Pro Max almost.
0:43:09- He said, he said, I'm getting an iPhone 14 Pro.
0:43:13- That's not a porno.
0:43:14- When did you do that?
0:43:15- It was really resuming. - Did you break your iPhone?
0:43:16- No, no, no.
0:43:18It was a situation where someone needed a phone
0:43:20and I helped him out.
0:43:22- Situation.
0:43:23Someone. Someone. A situation.
0:43:26A situation was me because I dropped my iPhone in a canyon.
0:43:29I haven't broken a 14 of any size.
0:43:33Well, you broke into the wrapping on a 14 Pro Max, didn't you?
0:43:37You broke our hearts, though.
0:43:39Why did you go from Pro to Pro Max?
0:43:41Come on, with all the secrecy, you're worse than me with my secret articles.
0:43:45I don't know about that. Let's not go that far.
0:43:49Stephen, you're up.
0:43:53iPhone 14 Pro Max.
0:43:55Not only are you correct, that is the second highest answer.
0:43:58You see what I'm saying Federico?
0:44:01You're outraged at first, right?
0:44:02Of like, what's the right answer?
0:44:03There was no way for people to know.
0:44:05Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:44:06I see what you mean now.
0:44:08So we come back around to you.
0:44:09I'm gonna go with the iPhone 13 Pro.
0:44:12The iPhone 13 Pro is the fourth highest answer, getting you 20 points.
0:44:18iPhone 13 Pro Max.
0:44:22The iPhone 13 Pro Max is not on the list.
0:44:26- Whoa.
0:44:27- Whoa, okay, okay.
0:44:30- iPhone 13 Pro Max, that was what you said, right?
0:44:34- Yep.
0:44:35- Was said by seven people.
0:44:37- Wow.
0:44:38- Wow, okay.
0:44:38I'm gonna go with iPhone.
0:44:41- Nice, not enough.
0:44:43Unbelievably, right?
0:44:45Nine people said it,
0:44:48which was less than the 11 that said it for you,
0:44:51- Okay.
0:44:53- Wild.
0:44:54- Yep.
0:44:55- I'm gonna say the iPhone,
0:45:00I'm gonna go back to the mini, the iPhone 13 mini.
0:45:03- That was the third highest answer.
0:45:05- Okay.
0:45:06- Netting you 30 points.
0:45:07You've never owned one of those, right?
0:45:09- No, my wife uses one and we use it for all time, I think.
0:45:13- Gonna give you one more guess,
0:45:14it shows one more iPhone on the list,
0:45:17the 10th, 10 points, which is the fifth highest answer.
0:45:20- I'm gonna go with iPhone 14.
0:45:23- That is it.
0:45:24- Okay.
0:45:25- Hmm, got it. - Okay.
0:45:26- That was the 10 point answer.
0:45:28Let me see, I've got some other interesting highlights
0:45:30on this one.
0:45:31We had iPhone 3GS.
0:45:33There was, oh, this happened on yours Federico as well.
0:45:38Multiple iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro Max.
0:45:43iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max.
0:45:46I don't know if these people think you have secret access
0:45:48or if they have also just lost the plot
0:45:51of where the numbers are.
0:45:52We had one palm.
0:45:53- And really, that's on Apple, right?
0:45:56It's not on the listeners, that's on Apple.
0:45:58- But for both of you, one person said banana phone,
0:46:02and I don't really know what that means.
0:46:04Yeah, banana phone.
0:46:05- I don't know.
0:46:06- As usual, there are always people in these answers
0:46:08who treat it like their own standup special,
0:46:10who give very funny answers.
0:46:12- Oh, I see, okay.
0:46:13- The only I ever read, because most of them
0:46:15I will never read aloud.
0:46:17Please stop doing that.
0:46:18At the end of the second round, Steven is at 140 points.
0:46:23Federico is at 150 points.
0:46:27- Ooh.
0:46:28- Okay.
0:46:29- So now we move into what watch does Federico wear?
0:46:34- Who's going first?
0:46:35- This will be for Steven because he is behind you.
0:46:39- I'm going to say,
0:46:40and thinking about when these questions were asked,
0:46:42the Apple Watch Series 7.
0:46:45- Good game play, my friend.
0:46:46- Yeah.
0:46:47That is 50 points to you.
0:46:48I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Series 8.
0:46:52That is 40 points for Federico.
0:46:54I'm gonna say the Apple Watch Series 6.
0:46:57That is not on the list.
0:46:59Hmm.
0:46:59Ooh!
0:47:00I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Ultra.
0:47:0320 points for Federico.
0:47:06There were just an amount of people who were just like,
0:47:08"He's on that train!"
0:47:10Even though at that time, you were not.
0:47:11Is it the fourth highest sensor?
0:47:14Or the third?
0:47:15That was the fourth highest sensor, yes.
0:47:16So the third and the fifth one are still missing.
0:47:19- Correct. - Okay.
0:47:20- How did you word the question again?
0:47:22- What watch does Federico wear?
0:47:24- I'm gonna say no watch.
0:47:27- That is 30 points, the third highest answer.
0:47:30No watch or he doesn't.
0:47:32- I'm gonna go with,
0:47:36so you said the six was not on the list.
0:47:41- Correct.
0:47:41- And no, so basically the equivalent of nothing
0:47:45is already in the list.
0:47:47- Yeah, I will run through what we got.
0:47:48The highest answer was Apple Watch Series 7.
0:47:50Second highest answer was Apple Watch Series 8.
0:47:52The third highest answer was no watch or he doesn't wear one.
0:47:56The fourth highest answer was Apple Watch Ultra.
0:47:59The fifth highest answer is what's left on the board.
0:48:01- I'm gonna go with Apple Watch SE.
0:48:04- Not one person wrote in to say that.
0:48:07- That's what I was gonna go next if you didn't guess.
0:48:10I'm gonna say, do I have another pick or are we done?
0:48:12- I'm gonna give you both one more.
0:48:13- Okay. - Okay.
0:48:14I'm gonna say like traditional watch,
0:48:17like a non-smart watch.
0:48:19- Like an analog watch or something like that?
0:48:21- Yeah.
0:48:22- This is split a little bit, you know,
0:48:24like lots of people giving brand names or whatever.
0:48:27That is not enough to get it on the board.
0:48:30- I mean, if the Series 6 is not on the list
0:48:32and analog watch is not, no watch, it's not,
0:48:36it's not the SE.
0:48:41I don't know. I'm going with a...
0:48:44I'm going with Apple Watch Series 4.
0:48:47Nobody said it.
0:48:48Okay.
0:48:49What was it?
0:48:50There was one person said Series 3.
0:48:52Four people said Series 5.
0:48:56Oh, was it an Android thing?
0:48:58No.
0:48:59You should have consulted previous questions
0:49:02because the fifth highest answer for 10 points was...
0:49:05Apple Watch.
0:49:06Uh...
0:49:07Mmm.
0:49:08It's that old one again.
0:49:10Okay.
0:49:11We got a few people saying two Apple watches.
0:49:14One person said sweatshirt and jeans.
0:49:17- Not a--
0:49:18- There was someone didn't understand this question
0:49:21because for both of them they answered the kind of clothes that you wear.
0:49:25Which I don't know what happened with this individual.
0:49:30But they-- maybe there's like a phrase that I'm not aware of.
0:49:34One person thought that you were wearing a Disney Gucci grip,
0:49:38which I don't even know what that means.
0:49:39That sounds cool.
0:49:41It sounds cool though, but that wasn't for you.
0:49:43And one person said something Italian.
0:49:46Okay.
0:49:47Which may have not been a bad, you know, went up.
0:49:50Yeah.
0:49:51So we now finish that round.
0:49:52It's very close today.
0:49:54Federico on 210 points, Steven on 220 points.
0:49:58Okay.
0:50:00So Federico, we go to you.
0:50:02Alright.
0:50:02For what watch does Steven wear?
0:50:05I'm going to go with Apple Watch Ultra.
0:50:07and you would get the highest answer 50 points in your pocket.
0:50:12Okay.
0:50:1282.2% of people said that.
0:50:17They got you nailed.
0:50:20The passionate wants no use, Steven.
0:50:21Yeah, big orange, you know?
0:50:24They knew that.
0:50:25I'm gonna say Apple Watch Series 7.
0:50:28It is on the board.
0:50:29It is the third highest answer.
0:50:3230 points for you.
0:50:33I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Series 8.
0:50:36That is the fourth highest answer, 40 points for Federica.
0:50:39Traditional watch.
0:50:41That is not on the list.
0:50:41I'm gonna go with...
0:50:44There are actually less people that said this for Steven and Federica.
0:50:48Like traditional analog watch or whatever.
0:50:51Can you go over the board again, Mike?
0:50:54The top three have been given so far.
0:50:56Apple Watch Ultra, Series 8, Series 7.
0:50:59Let me tell you, by the way, if you read the word "series" like 500 times,
0:51:05it just loses all meaning. Like I'm looking at it now like in the list of answers like because I
0:51:11have this like long list of every answer that gets calculated. The word series is a weird word.
0:51:16I'm gonna go with the Apple watch. Good memory. 20 points. Okay. It's the fourth highest answer.
0:51:21Federico's cleaning up in this round. Yeah it's not great. Federico scored 110 points in this
0:51:29question so so what were the answers in the slot you have to face high stance
0:51:37are left at ten points and we've said ultra series 7 7 and Apple watch yeah
0:51:44and it was not traditional watch that's the only answer that has been correct
0:51:48I'm gonna I'm gonna say the series for nobody said that at all mm-hmm give you
0:51:56one more each. No Apple Watch. Oh nearly a clean sweep for Federico as he picks up the 10 point
0:52:05answer. Wait wait wait wait wait wait I said traditional. Yeah that's not none. He said no
0:52:08Apple Watch. What's the difference? Well none. No watch. Nothing that one. No watch. I take that
0:52:14as no watch. That's not really what he gets. I know but it's the same thing like no watch right?
0:52:19I know, but I'm giving him the points.
0:52:22Collusion.
0:52:23Potentially, yeah.
0:52:25So at the end of that round, Steven has 250 points.
0:52:30Federico has pulled away with 330 points.
0:52:34Okay, how much? How much again? I'm sorry?
0:52:36250 for Steven.
0:52:38250?
0:52:38For 330 for Federico.
0:52:40Okay, okay. That's not bad.
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0:54:43The Gucci grip is a weird looking watch. It's not good. Don't like it. I don't understand
0:54:49why it's called grip and I don't understand why it looks the way that it does. It looks
0:54:55like a, like an old timey weight scale. Yes. Yes. We will now go to Steven for the first
0:55:02guess of the question, what is Federico's preferred iPad?
0:55:08The 12.9 inch iPad Pro.
0:55:11That is the top answer.
0:55:1250 points.
0:55:14Are we separating by size in this category?
0:55:19For the iPad Pros, yes.
0:55:21Yeah, OK.
0:55:22So I'm going to go with 11 inch iPad Pro.
0:55:25That is the 40 point answer.
0:55:27Yeah.
0:55:27Yeah.
0:55:28I didn't really have a good way to answer that question.
0:55:30So the cat is just like, yes, we are.
0:55:34- I'm gonna go to the humble iPad mini.
0:55:38- Now Federico, do you use the iPad mini?
0:55:40- No.
0:55:42- Well, it's the third highest answer.
0:55:4330 points go to Steven.
0:55:44- I'm gonna go with iPad Air.
0:55:45- That is the 20 point answer.
0:55:47You guys are clearing up.
0:55:50So we go back to you Steven,
0:55:51can you make it a full round of the board?
0:55:53- So that's a lot of pressure.
0:55:55So we've said 12.9, 11 inch.
0:55:58- iPad mini. - We said iPad Air,
0:55:59said iPad mini yeah I'm just gonna say iPad just iPad close that would have
0:56:07been the sixth highest answer wait what no I'll tell you it would have been
0:56:11there's no points available to it if that you know with the amount of
0:56:14supplies that it got it would have been six what I will tell you right now is
0:56:17what we are looking for has 0.4 percent of responses three people
0:56:24- Oh, honest with this.
0:56:27- Compared to the 500 people who said 12.9 inch.
0:56:31Federica, this is your guess.
0:56:33- Are there other iPads?
0:56:36Steven just said just iPad, right?
0:56:41- Yeah.
0:56:42- So that would be two people that said just iPad?
0:56:45- Yeah.
0:56:48- An iPad Mini has already been mentioned.
0:56:51I'm gonna go with no iPad.
0:56:54One person said no iPad.
0:56:56- That person knows Federico the least.
0:56:59- I'm gonna give you guys another go around on this one
0:57:01'cause this is fun for me.
0:57:02- Okay.
0:57:03- So Steven, you're back.
0:57:04- So it's gotta be like a really specific answer,
0:57:07I feel like.
0:57:08I'm going to say 2018 iPad Pro.
0:57:12- No, no, no.
0:57:13Yeah, I didn't include model years.
0:57:18I did like crunch together the model years.
0:57:20- Okay.
0:57:21- Federico, you had the final guess in this round.
0:57:24The question was about iPads, right?
0:57:27- What is, the question was,
0:57:29what is Federico's preferred iPad?
0:57:32- Preferred iPad.
0:57:35I mean, I don't know.
0:57:39I am out of, I'm out of answers.
0:57:44I'm just gonna say Surface Pro.
0:57:47- For this one, everybody did answer some kind of iPad,
0:57:53Right? Except for the fifth highest answer,
0:57:57where three people said, all of them.
0:57:59- Nice. Nice. Okay.
0:58:03- Which in their defense, at a certain point,
0:58:07has been true, right?
0:58:08Where all of these four have been your preferred iPad
0:58:11at different times.
0:58:12- Who's flip-flopping now, boy?
0:58:14- Yeah.
0:58:15- Indeed.
0:58:15- That's a very good answer. Okay.
0:58:17- We finished that round with Steven at 330 points,
0:58:21Federico at 390 points.
0:58:23So Steven did some good clawing back there.
0:58:26As we go to the next question, which predictably is,
0:58:29what is Steven's preferred iPad?
0:58:31And we will go with Steven as the first guess.
0:58:33- Wait, always Steven first?
0:58:36- Because you're beating him.
0:58:38- iPad mini, 50 points in your pocket.
0:58:41- 11 inch iPad Pro.
0:58:42- 40 points in your pocket.
0:58:44That's the second highest answer.
0:58:46- iPad Air.
0:58:47- Man, you guys are going fast.
0:58:47I haven't got time to put the answers in the sheet yet.
0:58:51- Yes, that was the third highest answer.
0:58:53That gave me a minute there.
0:58:56I got a second there to put the answers in.
0:58:58- I'm gonna go with iPad.
0:59:00- Three people said iPad.
0:59:03That is not enough.
0:59:04- No iPad.
0:59:05- 10 points.
0:59:07- That's the fifth one, so the fourth one is still missing.
0:59:09- That is the fifth highest answer.
0:59:10The fourth highest answer for 20 points is still available.
0:59:12- I'm going with the big iPad Pro, the 12.9.
0:59:17- That was it.
0:59:18Yeah, you guys did good on that one.
0:59:20Mm-hmm.
0:59:21So at the end of that round,
0:59:22Steven's at 420 points, he's blazing it.
0:59:26Nice.
0:59:26Federico's at 450 points.
0:59:29Still in the lead, but that lead is shrinking.
0:59:32But I mean, he keeps going first, so, you know.
0:59:34Yeah, boy.
0:59:35Well, you continue to lead.
0:59:37There should be a rule where you can only go first like twice in a row or something.
0:59:41Otherwise, there's no point in winning the previous games.
0:59:44You know?
0:59:46Sure there is.
0:59:47Mm.
0:59:48so anyway, I will just say to that that he has gone first, but you you have also
0:59:54gotten fifty point answers yeah, meaning he's still not getting them.
0:59:58That's the rule we can evaluate the rule at a different time. We go into the next
1:00:03round, which is what is federal coast preferred Mac
1:00:06steven you go first Mac many fifty point answer
1:00:10none
1:00:13ten points for federal. I thought that'd be higher.
1:00:18Honestly,
1:00:19MacBook Air.
1:00:2130 points.
1:00:22That is the third highest answer for Steven.
1:00:25MacBook Pro.
1:00:26You gonna ask for more?
1:00:2714 inch.
1:00:28That is it.
1:00:3040 points for Federico.
1:00:31We have the fourth highest answer on the board.
1:00:3420 points available.
1:00:3616 inch MacBook Pro.
1:00:3812 people said 16 inch MacBook Pro.
1:00:41That does not put it on the top five.
1:00:45The fourth is missing?
1:00:48the fourth is missing. Can you go over the list again please? Sure can. The highest answer
1:00:53was Mac Mini, then 14 inch MacBook Pro, then MacBook Air, then our missing answer and then
1:01:01none. I'm gonna go with iMac. I think this is kind of surprising. Nobody said iMac. Well
1:01:10because I never mentioned it. That's rough. Oh no I'm incorrect, there's five. I just
1:01:16missed it but it wasn't enough it wasn't enough but five people said iMac so
1:01:21wait Mac Mini 14 16 there's not a lot of Mac's left the Mac Pro three people said
1:01:28Mac Pro I'm going with Mac studio that was what was left the fourth I never
1:01:36mentioned the Mac studio in my life okay all right anyway and then at the end of
1:01:42that round 500 points apiece.
1:01:46Wow.
1:01:48So we go into the final question.
1:01:50OK.
1:01:51What is Steven's preferred Mac?
1:01:53Federico, you're up first.
1:01:56What is he even using at this point?
1:01:59Who could tell?
1:02:01You know what I mean?
1:02:02I mean, I'm torn between two.
1:02:05How would the passionate ones respond?
1:02:08OK, Mac Pro.
1:02:11That is the second highest answer.
1:02:13Yeah, okay.
1:02:1440 points.
1:02:15Mac Studio.
1:02:16That is the top answer.
1:02:1750 points.
1:02:18There are three more answers left on the board.
1:02:2014 inch MacBook Pro?
1:02:22The 14 inch MacBook Pro is not in our top five.
1:02:2613 people wrote in.
1:02:28Wow.
1:02:28That's wild.
1:02:29But it is not there.
1:02:30MacBook Air.
1:02:32That is the third highest answer.
1:02:3430 points.
1:02:35We have the fourth and fifth highest answer left.
1:02:40Mac Mini?
1:02:41Mac Mini, three people said Mac Mini.
1:02:44That is not enough.
1:02:46There were a lot of answers for this one, by the way.
1:02:48Like a lot of Ryans.
1:02:50- I'm sure some people were like,
1:02:52the Performa 6400, right?
1:02:53- It was split significantly.
1:02:55- I'm gonna give the 16-inch MacBook Pro a shot.
1:02:58- It's not there.
1:03:00- I'm gonna go with the iMacs that Steven collected.
1:03:08The, the, the, the plastic, what was it called?
1:03:11The iMac G3?
1:03:13Yeah, that one.
1:03:14The iMac G3 is the fourth highest answer.
1:03:17That is 20 points for Federico.
1:03:19Okay.
1:03:19That's so good.
1:03:20There's one left.
1:03:22I'll say this, this, this Mac left here, right?
1:03:28Was very close to making it into Federico's top five, but it did.
1:03:32Man, see that opens the door, right?
1:03:34Yeah.
1:03:35Yeah.
1:03:35Yeah.
1:03:35That's interesting.
1:03:37I will tell you that that gives you nothing, right?
1:03:41But it nearly made it.
1:03:42- Yeah, I don't know what it is, but that's interesting.
1:03:45One port MacBook, 12 inch MacBook.
1:03:49Nope.
1:03:50- I'm gonna go with the Cube.
1:03:52- That was it.
1:03:53- Yes.
1:03:54- G4 Cube.
1:03:56- Yes. - Come on.
1:03:57- Yes.
1:03:59- I'm not even mad, that's awesome.
1:04:01- The G4 Cube.
1:04:03But this is the fun thing.
1:04:04So the G4 Cube for Steven, where is it?
1:04:0927 people wrote in.
1:04:11For Federico, it was 18 people.
1:04:13- Love those people.
1:04:14Love those people.
1:04:15- There's some incredible answers in here.
1:04:17We've got the SE30.
1:04:19- I'm not that old, come on.
1:04:20- One person who just says it varies with the wind.
1:04:22Well, really that should have been the top answer.
1:04:25(laughing)
1:04:26We got, yeah, there were a lot of Mac Pro answers in here.
1:04:32Like Mac Pro came super close to being number one.
1:04:35Like very, very close.
1:04:37There were like, it was five responses different
1:04:40between making those one or two.
1:04:41- Wow, see that's why I was torn.
1:04:43- Yeah, you were super close.
1:04:44Like it was a very good.
1:04:46- Yeah, that's really good.
1:04:46- I guess one person said trashcan Mac Pro,
1:04:48which would have made it even closer,
1:04:50but I didn't lump those in.
1:04:51I should have, but I missed that one.
1:04:53But yeah, super close.
1:04:54- Okay.
1:04:55- So at the end of that round.
1:04:56- Yeah. - Okay.
1:04:58Federico scored 570 points.
1:05:02Steven scored 580 points.
1:05:06- Wow.
1:05:07- Super close.
1:05:09At the end of these quizzes,
1:05:11Steven is at 1,020, Federico 1,100.
1:05:16- Okay, wow.
1:05:17- Thank you very much for participating and listening
1:05:20to this edition of the quizzes.
1:05:22The quizzes will return at some point in the future.
1:05:25- I'm exhausted.
1:05:26Okay.
1:05:27The quizzes take a lot out of us.
1:05:29I agree with you, Federico.
1:05:30- Yeah, it is.
1:05:32Please wrap it up.
1:05:34I'm done.
1:05:34I can imagine, yes.
1:05:37Okay.
1:05:38- That's why I needed the Red Bull.
1:05:39Did you just open another one?
1:05:41- That's me with water because I'm exhausted.
1:05:44No, no, no.
1:05:44- Okay, I was gonna say, what are you doing?
1:05:46- Regular water, just water.
1:05:49- We're at the end of the show,
1:05:50don't have another Red Bull.
1:05:52Because we're at the end of the show,
1:05:53I'm gonna tell you all the stuff
1:05:54that I tell you at the end of the show.
1:05:56We have links to the stories we spoke about on the web
1:05:59and in your podcast player.
1:06:01On the web, they're relay.fm/connected/441.
1:06:06There's a couple of things you can do in both places.
1:06:08You can leave follow-up or feedback,
1:06:12or there's a submit a feedback link on the web
1:06:14and in the show notes, and that goes into our system
1:06:16and it's our follow-up and everything's come from.
1:06:18Thank you all who've been using that tool.
1:06:20It's been really awesome to see.
1:06:22You can also join and get Connected Pro,
1:06:24which is a longer ad-free version of the show
1:06:28each and every week.
1:06:29This week we spoke about a drink that was invented
1:06:33to save me from social embarrassment.
1:06:35It's incredible.
1:06:36You can find us all online.
1:06:38Federico is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net,
1:06:42head of the whole Max Stories extended universe.
1:06:45You can follow him at mastodon.maxstories.net as Vitici.
1:06:50Mike is the co-host of a bunch of other shows
1:06:53here on Relay FM.
1:06:54He's also the co-founder and product designer
1:06:56at Cortex Brand.
1:06:58And you can find him at mike.social.
1:07:01He's iMike over there.
1:07:03You can find me every Sunday on Mac Power Users
1:07:05and I write 512pixels.net.
1:07:08And I am ismh@eworld.social on Mastodon.
1:07:13I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
1:07:14Squarespace, Things from Cultured Code and NetSuite.
1:07:19And until next week, guys, say goodbye.
1:07:21- I do that too.
1:07:22- Cheerio.