443: You Don’t Deserve Me at 3x

0:00:00I am recording.

0:00:01Same.

0:00:02It's official.

0:00:03From.

0:00:05Nope.

0:00:06No.

0:00:07No.

0:00:08Not now.

0:00:08Literally too soon and it's not your week.

0:00:10Oh, it is your week.

0:00:11Yeah, so I did it.

0:00:12It is your week.

0:00:13From Mariko.

0:00:14What's going on with your studio display?

0:00:16Ah.

0:00:17The setup is finished.

0:00:21Wow, that happened fast.

0:00:24Mission accomplished.

0:00:26Can I get like a huge banner?

0:00:28You know, behind me, you know, it's a mission accomplished

0:00:31and I'm standing in front of a microphone to declare

0:00:34that my desk is finalized, you know.

0:00:38Wait, no.

0:00:39- Oh, stop, stop, WMDC, stop.

0:00:41- No, no, no, no, no.

0:00:43- Everyone stop, June 5th to 9th.

0:00:45We gotta stop now.

0:00:46- Are you serious?

0:00:48- I'm serious, it just happened.

0:00:49Underscore sent it to me.

0:00:51So everybody stop, I gotta book plane tickets.

0:00:53This is gonna happen right now.

0:00:55- Oh.

0:00:57- Yeah, we got to see you.

0:00:59Guys, can we chat in a bit?

0:01:02- Yep, got to go do that.

0:01:03Bye, bye.

0:01:04- Bye, bye.

0:01:04- Bye, see you.

0:01:06- Bye.

0:01:07(upbeat music)

0:01:09- All right, so hotel's booked.

0:01:16- We've been gone an hour.

0:01:19- Hotel booked, flight booked.

0:01:21- Check, check.

0:01:22- I told my mom.

0:01:25So there's also that.

0:01:27That's always good. That's an important part. I haven't told my mom yet. Should I stop the

0:01:30show and go tell my mom? I can tell her I'm going to see her later.

0:01:33Why? What is that? What is this? It's just a lovely lady. See you and come on.

0:01:41Both of your moms are lovely ladies. WBC has been announced June 5th through the 9th. Mike,

0:01:49what does Apple up to? Can you tell us about this? So it looks like kind of what we were expecting

0:01:56which is probably a more put together version of last year.

0:02:01So like things seem a little bit clearer

0:02:05and we can all, and I mean, I think it also helps

0:02:08that we have something to compare it to, right?

0:02:10So special event is like the day.

0:02:14Keynote, State of the Union, Design Awards on the 5th.

0:02:18They're offering an in-person like portion of the show.

0:02:23- Yeah, like last year.

0:02:24- Right, like, yeah, like in-person,

0:02:26You can come in, you can apply.

0:02:28They've got a bunch of different ways you can apply actually,

0:02:33which has seemed intriguing to me, right?

0:02:35So you can apply as a developer,

0:02:38an Apple Entrepreneur Camp Alumni,

0:02:40Swift Student Challenge,

0:02:43or Apple Developer Enterprise Program member.

0:02:48Invitations will be allocated by a random selection process,

0:02:51notified of your status by April 5th.

0:02:53So only a week from today, which is, that's surprising.

0:02:58So yeah, that's what they're doing.

0:03:02And then there's a bunch of health and safety measures,

0:03:04but it doesn't feel like there's,

0:03:06at least right now, there are no strict COVID measures.

0:03:09It's like, hey, if you are not feeling good, stay at home.

0:03:13- Take care of yourself at home.

0:03:14Yeah, that's literally what is written on the website.

0:03:17- Yeah, I mean, and then it says, stay connected.

0:03:20We'll be posting WWDC announcements

0:03:22leading up to and during the conference.

0:03:23I like during, I like--

0:03:25- Stay connected.

0:03:27- Connected, but I like this idea of like,

0:03:29we're posting announcements like during the conference.

0:03:31It's like, you know, you can imagine like

0:03:33someone's still at home on Tuesday

0:03:35and then it's like, oh, this thing's happening on Thursday.

0:03:37I'm on my way, baby.

0:03:38You know what I mean?

0:03:39- Mm-hmm.

0:03:40- I, there we go, it's happened.

0:03:42- It's happened.

0:03:43- I think we're all pretty tired now

0:03:45'cause we had to go deal with that.

0:03:47- Yeah, it's, I don't know, it kind of feels unreal.

0:03:51I haven't done this in three years and I kind of forgot how to book plane tickets to the US.

0:03:56So I don't know, it was a whole experience for like 20 minutes and I was texting Mike.

0:04:00So double checking every step of the way.

0:04:03I don't know, we're gonna be together in person.

0:04:06There was this weird moment when Federico was like,

0:04:08"Just can you tell me the four last digits of your credit card?"

0:04:11I don't know why he needed that.

0:04:12[Laughter]

0:04:14But yeah, I gave it to him because he was, you know, he was trying to book his flights.

0:04:18I was very confused and usually when I book plane tickets,

0:04:21I get a little notification from my credit card company

0:04:25and this time I didn't.

0:04:26So that was cool.

0:04:27I will just say, in all seriousness, Federico did kind of hint to the fact

0:04:32of like, "Are you booking my plane ticket for me?"

0:04:35Like that was the thing he asked me.

0:04:37No, well, I just wanted to double check

0:04:41because you were telling me dates and times.

0:04:44And I was like, "Well, the last time we went there..."

0:04:47Historically, I have booked tickets for you.

0:04:49I was like, I just, I just wanted, I was on the, I was on the airline website booking

0:04:55them myself.

0:04:56I was like, wait, is Mike booking them?

0:04:57Like just let me double check.

0:04:59I was not expecting you to book them for me, given that we have a different sort of flight

0:05:06organization and schedule this time around.

0:05:08Like, yeah, all good.

0:05:11All good.

0:05:12I'm pretty excited.

0:05:13Me too.

0:05:14I feel confident I'll get to do it this time, you know?

0:05:17So that's good. Second time's the charm.

0:05:20What are you making that sound for? What is wrong with you?

0:05:24What is wrong with you? Why did you do this?

0:05:26What is wrong with you? Why did you bring this to me?

0:05:29This isn't fair. Like, first you made a joke about my mum, which I'm gonna keep referencing so you can't edit it out.

0:05:35Second, you're like putting this like jinx on me or this curse on me for some reason.

0:05:40I don't even know why this is necessary.

0:05:42You've been cursed by Steven.

0:05:45I'm just saying, the two weeks before WC,

0:05:46you don't go anywhere.

0:05:48Just stay at home.

0:05:49Don't, don't.

0:05:50I mean, I've got to go somewhere.

0:05:51No, no you don't.

0:05:52To California, like, why can't?

0:05:54Other than that, you know, don't,

0:05:56don't go out to the shops or, I don't know,

0:05:59whatever you do.

0:06:01Yeah, so what is it, the fifth?

0:06:03Yeah.

0:06:03So two weeks before would be what, the 22nd?

0:06:06Yeah, I can do that.

0:06:07You are in quarantine for two weeks before this.

0:06:10I do see on my calendar, which is kind of funny,

0:06:12Comic-Con London yeah we're not doing that no no take that off your calendar

0:06:16right now sorry sorry honey we're not going no comic-con that's not have you

0:06:24ever been to a comic-con before I haven't no I've been to the Italian

0:06:29version of a comic-con what wait what does that entail well but it's it's like

0:06:34not like Robert Downey jr. is not there which is like the same as long you know

0:06:39They're just like it's like the non

0:06:41Celebrity part of a comic-con. Yeah, it's like the actual comic-con

0:06:45Yes, it's called the row mix it's Rome and comics

0:06:51So we've spoken about this before because there's a listener

0:06:55Right. Oh, yeah

0:06:57That's right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's like oh, I'm giving a TED talk. Oh, we're Oh TEDx. Let's not a TED talk

0:07:04You know, that's like a it's that sort of thing, right? It's like a yeah

0:07:08- Well, but no, you see, I think this is one of those things

0:07:11that's just got warped over time.

0:07:13Comic cons were always what this is,

0:07:15where it's just like a bunch of artists selling their stuff

0:07:19and you can go get your comic side and meet people and do,

0:07:21and then like-

0:07:22- The big comic con came in.

0:07:24- Hollywood came in, right?

0:07:26And was like, oh, these Marvel movies do,

0:07:28they make us a lot of money.

0:07:29Let's do our announcements at comic con.

0:07:32And now like just non-comic movies

0:07:35get announced at comic con.

0:07:36You know, it's just like, this is nothing.

0:07:38You know, like why are we doing this?

0:07:40But anyway, WWDC is not a Comic-Con.

0:07:43- No.

0:07:44- Thing I'm interested.

0:07:45- It kind of is, what if we started, you know,

0:07:48you could like bring a book about Apple

0:07:50and get it signed by somebody.

0:07:51You could dress up as Tim Cook.

0:07:52- We could all just set up our own little stalls outside,

0:07:54couldn't we?

0:07:55Like outside of Apple Park,

0:07:56we'll just get our own little tables and stuff.

0:07:58- Yeah, we got merch.

0:07:59We can bring merch.

0:08:00- Yeah, sure.

0:08:01- Apple Executive cost, please.

0:08:03- Exactly.

0:08:04- Oh my God.

0:08:05- I call Eddy Cue.

0:08:06That's a good one to call. I'll call Tim but I got a lot of work to do in the gym before

0:08:11I can try and pull that one off, you know what I mean?

0:08:14Just arm day though.

0:08:15I'll call Federico, can you be John Turnas please? For no specific reason.

0:08:19Yes.

0:08:20Can you do that for me? Thank you.

0:08:22I'll be John Turnas for you, Mike.

0:08:24I appreciate that. You could actually do, I think with the right glasses, you could

0:08:29do a Steve Jobs Federico. I think you could pull that off.

0:08:32I could do young Steve Jobs.

0:08:34Yeah.

0:08:35Michael Fassbender. Yeah you could you could you could cosplay as Michael Fassbender as Steve Jobs from the movie.

0:08:42That's not a cosplay. Is that is that like one of those fake names that Chad GPT

0:08:47came up with? Yeah. It's like hey write a fake movie with a bunch of actors that don't exist.

0:08:52I mean you have watched that movie. Which movie? Jobs. The Steve Jobs movie. No I've never seen it.

0:08:58There's a whole member special we spoke about it for like an hour. And that wasn't me.

0:09:02It was a hallucination. It was one of those...

0:09:04It was my voice synthesized by someone else. It wasn't me.

0:09:08I'm not staying in San Jose this time.

0:09:10I, after my last experience, I have made the decision that I will never stay in San Jose ever again in my life.

0:09:16I'm just saying where Mike told me to stay.

0:09:18Yeah.

0:09:19So...

0:09:20If Apple brought WWDC back to San Jose, I would not stay there.

0:09:23Like, I had one of the worst weeks of my life in San Jose. I will never go there again.

0:09:28Never coming back.

0:09:29I will come in and out, right?

0:09:30out right like this to do I'll come in and out but staying there no not

0:09:34happening I won't do it I'm never staying there ever again so by San Jose

0:09:39you're terrible and I hate you and I'll never go in there again if you live in San Jose move I don't

0:09:47know what to tell you right I didn't make the rules hey quick question for

0:09:51you guys it's just totally unrelated to the well it's kind of related to this

0:09:56topic for a reason I'll get to in a minute. The new MacBook Airs, when are we

0:10:02thinking they will be released? Anytime from now until like July. This is

0:10:09extremely unhelpful. Are you buying another Mac? And I need a travel

0:10:16computer and it cannot be a desktop. I mean I would just get the M2 MacBook Air

0:10:22like you and you're gonna be perfectly happy. Like the M3 MacBook Air is just

0:10:26gonna be a bit faster but the m2 MacBook Air is faster than you need for literally anything

0:10:30that you do on it.

0:10:31It's not the 15 inch though.

0:10:33Why would you want a 15 inch though?

0:10:37New kid in town.

0:10:38Then get a 16 inch MacBook Pro and you'll hate it.

0:10:41Too heavy.

0:10:42Too heavy.

0:10:43Right.

0:10:44I would seriously even if the 15 even when the 15 comes out like I don't think you're

0:10:47gonna want that like if you want a travel computer why would you want a big one?

0:10:51Yeah you're right.

0:10:52I should get the 13.

0:10:53I should get the one you have.

0:10:55I would wait until like late May.

0:11:00Why is Jon texting me right now saying you will not be happy with the M2, don't do it.

0:11:06What is wrong with Jon?

0:11:08Jon, that's bad advice.

0:11:10Interesting.

0:11:11Interesting.

0:11:12This is...

0:11:13He says, I 100% would wait for the 15 inch M3.

0:11:18See, Jon is just, he's trying to like...

0:11:22Why is he being like this?

0:11:23untrue instigator what is going on over there?

0:11:26I love all of this, I love this debate.

0:11:29Well I tell you what, I tell you what, why don't you just wait for what Jon told you

0:11:35to do and see how you feel, you know what I mean?

0:11:37Oh, oh, can you, so Mike, your computer, is it the midnight one?

0:11:41Yeah baby.

0:11:42Do you have it in mid?

0:11:43Yeah baby.

0:11:44Can you send me pictures later?

0:11:45Yeah.

0:11:46Can you send me, can you send me some Mac pics later?

0:11:48I'll send you some Mac pics, don't you worry about that.

0:11:50Thank you.

0:11:51Hot Mac content.

0:11:52Don't you worry about that.

0:11:53you okay so yes there was a unrelated to but sort of rate because of travel you

0:12:00know you guys know what I'm talking about so yeah yeah you don't want to be

0:12:06the person on the plane with a Mac Mini and a studio to suppose right yeah that's

0:12:11not a good look that's not a good look yeah John John adds I know you well you

0:12:17will be unhappy he does know me well I don't know what he thinks the m3 is

0:12:22gonna get you that the m2 no I think John thinks he wants a bigger one yeah

0:12:26but maybe he does but he's not gonna like putting that in his backpack I do

0:12:30I have a pretty big backpack well here's the thing here's the thing right John

0:12:34like fine but like if you need it for this trip and it doesn't exist well then

0:12:39you're gonna be really unhappy right so like that's the reason that's the problem

0:12:43see that's my problem right if you want it for this trip the most unhappy Mac

0:12:48will be the one that doesn't exist. That's like an ancient proverb.

0:12:51Wow, that's very wise.

0:12:53So what I said is, I think this one is fine for you, but wait until like two weeks before

0:12:59WWDC, before you buy it. So then you've left it as late as possible and you should go buy

0:13:04one. That would be my recommendation to you.

0:13:07Okay.

0:13:08And Jon, if you've got a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you.

0:13:10Get your own podcast, Jon.

0:13:12Get your own podcast. And you could tell him, yeah, you have like seven podcasts with Federico,

0:13:16wait and tell him on one of those you know what I mean? Yeah. Geez. Yeah. App

0:13:20stories more like Mac stories. Oh. You nailed it. From Relay FM this is Connected

0:13:31episode 443 the today's show is brought to you by Squarespace Capital One fast

0:13:37growing trees and Setapp. My name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Federico

0:13:41Hi Federico. Hello Mike Hurley, how are you? I'm good. This is chaos

0:13:46Absolutely chaos. This is absolutely chaotic episode. Stephen made a joke about my mom

0:13:52Yeah, keep dropping that. Sorry. That's just gonna keep sorry about that. Sorry about that. I don't know

0:13:57Yeah, it was really unfortunate right and then he made a joke about how I was gonna get sick of mr

0:14:03WWDC for the second time. I didn't know I just said that you should

0:14:05Make precautions. Who introduced you? No one introduced you. What are you talking for?

0:14:11I'm just talking to Federico. It's just me and Federico having a conversation.

0:14:14I don't know what you're doing here.

0:14:15I mean, I'm fine to go. I'd like to go for a walk or something.

0:14:18You do this to me every time, so you gotta leave it. You just gotta take it.

0:14:22Listeners know, every time I say something, because you two are talking about me,

0:14:25you tell me I can't speak. So no, you can't speak.

0:14:27When Federico's ready to introduce you, you can join the show.

0:14:31But I don't know when that's gonna be. I ain't got no control over that.

0:14:33*awkward silence*

0:14:38*clears throat*

0:14:39*laughing*

0:14:41*laughing*

0:14:43*clicks tongue*

0:14:45Should I... I don't know...

0:14:47I don't... We could just do this. You could just sit there.

0:14:50Ah, see, he didn't exactly behave before this, you know?

0:14:54Ah, it is my pleasure.

0:14:55Well, no, no. Make him promise no more mum jokes.

0:14:58And then he can come on the show.

0:14:59Okay, if you promise, Steven, no more mom jokes against me or Mike, I will introduce

0:15:10you.

0:15:11But, because you cannot speak yet, if you agree, knock on your desk twice.

0:15:17No, that was once.

0:15:20Why, Stu?

0:15:21Hold on, we're gonna harmonize.

0:15:23We're gonna harmonize.

0:15:25Okay, it is my pleasure to introduce also to the show Mr. Stephen Hackett.

0:15:33Hello, Stephen.

0:15:34Hello, boys.

0:15:35Hello.

0:15:36You promised.

0:15:37I haven't broken my promise yet.

0:15:40Okay, I'm just reminding you.

0:15:44Today is chaos.

0:15:46I was...

0:15:47Should we take our first break?

0:15:48I need a drink.

0:15:51I only have water here.

0:15:54(laughing)

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0:17:27connected and all of Relay FM. I have something I need to talk to you all

0:17:33about. Okay? Okay. Is it bad? No, that's not great. It's not bad.

0:17:40Oh so it's kind of bad. During the Aries last week there was a scoring mistake

0:17:47made by me. As is the way anytime we score anything on this show. This is the way. So

0:17:54there is a... No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

0:17:59I conducted many quizzes and made one mistake. You have made mistakes in 100% of your quizzes.

0:18:06That feels a little harsh to be fair. But I heard it in the edit, it was too late to

0:18:12fix it but it does not thankfully change the outcome but the correct scoring now

0:18:18is mic 11 Federico 7. What was it? What was the error? Well if you click the link in

0:18:24the show notes you can hear it because I have an overcast little video that

0:18:28contains it. It was the question about the MacBook Air and the weight. How much

0:18:34did the original MacBook Air weigh and is it more or less than the current M2

0:18:42MacBook Air. Less than a pound and it's less than today's model. I'll also say

0:18:49less than a pound because I have no idea and more than today's model. Okay so

0:18:56Federico wins. It was three pounds. The M2 weighs 2.7 so it was slightly more than

0:19:04the Air. Y'all are both off but Federico's less wrong so. Okay. Federico gets it.

0:19:08Wait, how do we define less wrong?

0:19:10[music]

0:19:14It didn't sound right to me at the time, which is why I questioned it.

0:19:17I was, I didn't know what was going on.

0:19:18But you didn't ask a question that made me think I scored it wrong.

0:19:22You were like, "Oh, didn't we do an over/under on our previous question?"

0:19:26And so...

0:19:27Yeah.

0:19:27It's really your fault.

0:19:28So what you're, no, what you're saying is I scored even more points.

0:19:33No, it's 11.

0:19:35You have 11, Federico has 7.

0:19:36That's the...

0:19:37But what did I have before? Did I have 10 before?

0:19:39You had 10 before.

0:19:41So I have scored more points.

0:19:42Yes, but you already had. You just had to have been awarded them.

0:19:45Anyways, the banana phone. Moving on.

0:19:47First off, an anonymous Canadian apologized for the song mentioned last week.

0:19:51I don't want to talk about this anymore. The banana phone.

0:19:53Well, this is the last one because we've gotten to the bottom.

0:19:56How do you know?

0:19:57Well, it is the last thing because we're not because I'm not going to put it in the document again after this.

0:20:01So it's really it's up to us what we talk about.

0:20:05A bunch of people wrote this in, I'm giving credit to Scott because he was first.

0:20:07I would like to point out that Nokia made a phone called the banana phone.

0:20:12It was the Nokia 8110.

0:20:14You may recognize it because Neo used one in the first Matrix movie

0:20:19and then they re-released it because Nokia was just everyone over there was just

0:20:24doing wild things. They re-released a 4G version of it.

0:20:27I am now convinced that this is what the passionate ones were referencing when

0:20:31they said they used a banana phone. But now it's done.

0:20:34Now we know everything we know,

0:20:36we could know about banana phones.

0:20:37Federico, would you like to take a victory lap

0:20:40around the iPhone action button?

0:20:42- Well, based on the information we have so far,

0:20:46I will take a half a victory lap,

0:20:50because I mean, all of this is rumor so far.

0:20:53Specifically today, we got two stories from MacRumors

0:20:56citing a source from the MacRumors forums

0:21:00that were correct before

0:21:02about the dynamic island last year,

0:21:04so MacRumors tends to believe this source.

0:21:09First we got a report saying that the iPhone 15 Pro

0:21:13will have a brand new system for the low energy chip.

0:21:17Like the system that sort of was managing

0:21:20the Find My network before when your iPhone turns off,

0:21:25but it still remains findable even if it's off.

0:21:28Well apparently in the iPhone 15 Pro,

0:21:30this system will be reworked with, and I'm quoting,

0:21:33a new ultra low energy microprocessor

0:21:36that in addition to that functionality

0:21:38will also allow these solid state buttons

0:21:41on the iPhone 15 Pro to remain functional

0:21:43even when your phone is off

0:21:45and the battery has in theory run out.

0:21:48So this is interesting because like, you know,

0:21:51a lot of us are concerned about like these quote unquote

0:21:54fake buttons not being clickable anymore

0:21:58if the phone is off, sort of like what was happening

0:22:00with the iPhone 7 and the fake home button.

0:22:03And it seems like Apple is thinking about this

0:22:05and maybe coming up with a better system

0:22:07for making those buttons click,

0:22:10even if the phone is turned off.

0:22:12And the second story is about how, in fact,

0:22:17Apple may be thinking about making this new mutering switch,

0:22:22this new button, essentially,

0:22:26that replaces the mute switch and action button,

0:22:31as I theorized/hoped for last week here on the show.

0:22:35And they say Apple's implementation remains to be seen,

0:22:40but some of the ideas are essentially

0:22:42what we talked about last week,

0:22:43like run a shortcut, open SHAZAM, do not disturb,

0:22:46toggle the flashlight, toggle low power mode, and so forth.

0:22:51The idea being that some of these features,

0:22:53if you think about it,

0:22:54Most of them already have a shortcut

0:22:56as in like a system shortcut in the shortcuts app,

0:23:01but they're also already supported

0:23:03in some of those features.

0:23:05Like for example, the accessibility stuff,

0:23:06like back tap, for example,

0:23:09that allows you to run a specific feature of your iPhone

0:23:12if you tap the back of your phone twice or three times.

0:23:16I don't remember that.

0:23:17- Or if you just sit it down the wrong way, I guess.

0:23:20- Yes, also that.

0:23:20- It's a little finicky.

0:23:23And the rumor goes, Apple is actually thinking

0:23:26about the system with an action button

0:23:28that is like the Apple Watch Ultra,

0:23:30but more flexible because of all the different things

0:23:32you can do on the phone.

0:23:33- I think it makes a ton of sense

0:23:34to make iPhone hardware more flexible

0:23:38and more powerful in a way that is not just,

0:23:42oh, the silicon's faster.

0:23:43Because at some point,

0:23:44like that kind of doesn't matter anymore.

0:23:47But having your phone like have a programmable

0:23:50bit of hardware, like that is really interesting.

0:23:52And it made me think, so back in the day,

0:23:56way back in the day, I used a Motorola Droid for a while.

0:24:00- Droid.

0:24:01- And it, like a lot of Android phones in the day

0:24:04had a LED like status light.

0:24:08And there were apps you could download

0:24:09that would change what the LED status light could do.

0:24:14So like if I got a work email, it could flash red,

0:24:16or if I had a text message, it could flash green.

0:24:19And I don't think Apple should do that,

0:24:21But I just remember how cool it was

0:24:24that I had control over like how the hardware worked

0:24:26the way I, I can make it do what I wanted it to do

0:24:30in a way that the iPhone kind of never has had.

0:24:34And so I hope that they do this

0:24:35and I hope they just open it up and like,

0:24:38in a way that even beyond the Apple Watch Ultra

0:24:40where this could really be like different people

0:24:42could use it for different things however they want.

0:24:45I think in particular, there's a lot of interesting things

0:24:48they could do with accessibility

0:24:51because you can in iOS have that floating pallet

0:24:55and you can tie some accessibility controls into that.

0:24:59But how great would it be if you could double click

0:25:02or triple click or touch or swipe or something,

0:25:04this action button, and it changes modes

0:25:08in terms of accessibility, depending on what you're doing.

0:25:10Like so many cool things that come out of this

0:25:13and I am super psyched for it.

0:25:15- I like the idea for us.

0:25:18- I'm unconvinced for the average user still about like,

0:25:22you press the button, what does it mean?

0:25:24Like, are you muted or not?

0:25:26Like, you know, I feel like we will be able to work that out

0:25:30but I don't know, right?

0:25:32Like if the Switch will be better or not for most people,

0:25:35but would I like the idea of a customizable button

0:25:38I could do anything with?

0:25:39Yes, I very much would like that, right?

0:25:42'Cause that tap back thing never worked for me.

0:25:44Like in a way that felt good

0:25:47And I know it was just like taking advantage

0:25:49of an accessibility feature, but this would,

0:25:51I assume, do more of that.

0:25:53Like I would really love to be able to,

0:25:55as many people have said,

0:25:56like have a button to take a picture, right?

0:25:58Like that feels like something that would be pretty cool.

0:26:01I know you can do it with the volume stuff,

0:26:03but I don't know, maybe it'd be nicer

0:26:05to actually just have like a real button you could press

0:26:07and just like, oh, that's cool.

0:26:08Yeah, and just like a bunch of things.

0:26:10It would be nice, right?

0:26:11Like I just said, like triple click it, get a flashlight,

0:26:14double click it, and I don't know,

0:26:17send a text to Steven.

0:26:18- Ooh, like that. - Fun.

0:26:20But I guess my question is though,

0:26:23you two have action buttons, right?

0:26:25It doesn't really feel like you're using your action buttons

0:26:27to the, like to their full list.

0:26:29So do you really think the iPhone action button

0:26:32would be better than the watch action button?

0:26:33- How would you know I'm not using it to the fullest?

0:26:35What?

0:26:36- 'Cause we told him we're both using it for the flashlight.

0:26:39- No, I changed it again.

0:26:40- Oh, what are you doing?

0:26:42- Ah, just running my shortcut to save ideas in Notion.

0:26:46I figured out--

0:26:47- Oh, so it's a Notion button.

0:26:50- Notion button.

0:26:51- Notion Nation, yes.

0:26:52It's a Notion action.

0:26:55Notion action, yes.

0:26:57- I do worry that they're not gonna push it

0:27:00as far as we want.

0:27:01That it'll basically be what the Apple Watch is,

0:27:03which like, it would be cool.

0:27:04Now, it'd be cool to tie it to a shortcut

0:27:06and that would get a lot of people,

0:27:08you know, a lot of different places on iOS,

0:27:11but who knows?

0:27:13What did y'all think about the part of this rumor

0:27:16it was in one of the MacRumors stories about it being like swipable where you

0:27:21could like swipe the volume up or down. Now that is something I've wanted for a

0:27:28long time. Okay. From Android phones. Mmm. Where you could swipe the fingerprint

0:27:34sensors and get the notifications to come down. Yeah that is cool. Now I would

0:27:39love that or like if you're reading an article, got a phone in your hand, you just

0:27:44swipe like a thumb like oh my god it's like blackberries when they had the

0:27:48wheels give it to me that's all I want you wanna like you wanna what you want

0:27:56to swipe on the buttons you've just reinvented the digital crowd a crown

0:28:03sideways on my iPhone I just feel like it would be more comfortable with the

0:28:08way that I hold my phone because I got my thumb where the button is right now

0:28:11If I just move my thumb up and down rather than like doing the swipe on the thing, like

0:28:15that would be kind of cool.

0:28:17But realistically, my main thing would be like, I would love to be able to use it to

0:28:21pull down the notifications without reaching up for the notifications.

0:28:25Because like it's effectively what reachability can do for you without needing to have reachability,

0:28:31right?

0:28:32That it brings that activation field down lower.

0:28:34Plus, I don't know what you guys feel about this if you have this issue.

0:28:39the dynamic island it is way more complicated to get the notifications to come down.

0:28:46I feel like I'm spending way more time in control center than I want to be.

0:28:51Like I'm finding this with my iPhone.

0:28:52I mean the iPhone is big too right so I'm trying to do it one handed with my right hand

0:28:56or whatever.

0:28:57Trying to get to the right area to get the notification shade to come down is complicated

0:29:03So I'm struggling with that a little bit.

0:29:06But so I would quite like to be able to swipe down on the,

0:29:11say, the power button or whatever,

0:29:12and get the notification straw to come down.

0:29:14That'd be pretty cool.

0:29:16Interesting.

0:29:17And maybe that part could also be programmable, actually.

0:29:20Yeah, I mean, two swipes down and one swipe up.

0:29:24Send a message to my mom.

0:29:26You know?

0:29:27Let's go wild with this one.

0:29:29Three swipes up and one swipe to the left.

0:29:31Activate my favorite Siri shortcut.

0:29:33you know, like all that kind of stuff.

0:29:35That's what I want to do.

0:29:36- What you've done is you've turned the side of the iPhone

0:29:41into like the world's tiniest,

0:29:43but most complicated track pad.

0:29:46How many gestures can you fit in something

0:29:47that's an eighth of an inch wide?

0:29:51Anything else about this?

0:29:52I mean, it seems like there's a lot of smoke here

0:29:54that these buttons are going to change.

0:29:56I think it's just a matter of how much Apple,

0:29:59how much functionality Apple can and wants to put in there.

0:30:02I do think this is one of those times

0:30:05where Apple looks at this as like,

0:30:07okay, we wanna get rid of these buttons for whatever reason.

0:30:10So that's like a negative, right?

0:30:11We wanna like take something away from the phone,

0:30:13but in its place, we could do something new and cooler.

0:30:17And sometimes that works for Apple.

0:30:18Other times we get the touch bar.

0:30:20And so I'm cautiously optimistic about this,

0:30:23but just thinking about other times

0:30:25where Apple has really redefined its hardware

0:30:29and have had to walk it back has been,

0:30:32that's not unprecedented either.

0:30:34- And I just feel like, I also feel like it would be

0:30:37very much like an Apple thing to do to, you know,

0:30:41move away from a physical button that does one thing

0:30:44and one thing only to a more sort of customizable thing.

0:30:48I mean, that was like, you know,

0:30:50if you really wanna do the throwback, you know,

0:30:52to the iPhone introduction keynote,

0:30:56when jobs said, like, what we don't love about these existing current smartphones is that

0:31:03they have this keyboard and this keyboard in the lower half, you know, it's always going

0:31:07to be stuck like that. It can never be changed. And the great thing about software is that

0:31:11you can change it. And so if you think about it, it will be very much an Apple move to

0:31:15say, well, why do we have a physical button in our most important device that does one

0:31:21something only and we realize over the years that only, I don't know, 15% of people use

0:31:27it on a regular basis and maybe 85% of people or something or just it doesn't have to be

0:31:32that big but like what if even 60% of people never touch it and they always keep it in

0:31:37silent mode wouldn't it be worth it to say well maybe we should make it a more software

0:31:44thing, you know?

0:31:46Mmm-hmm why I mean I have what who needs a stylus I have ten of these fingers

0:31:51that can tap buttons you know who needs a stylus for the button not me.

0:31:56What if it's a touch sensitive button, a smart connector and a periscope camera?

0:32:03Are you getting it? These are not three sides of the phone they're one side.

0:32:08What did he say a full what if it's a full sized button with touch sensitive

0:32:14controls. Yeah. That's good. There was just something in the way that you said it, like

0:32:21the tone of your voice was what made me know you were making that joke. That's kind of

0:32:26incredible right? That's how ingrained that moment is in our like history. These are not

0:32:33separate devices. This is one device.

0:32:38And we are calling it iPhone. Today, today Apple is going to reinvent the phone.

0:32:53And just internet communicator was just a dud. It turns out that's all the phone

0:32:57is really at the end of the day. Remember the music app was called iPod for so

0:33:01long do you ever just think about that? It's so strange. Well I don't normally think about that

0:33:07but it sounds like you do all the time. Yeah that seems like but like what a demotion though right

0:33:14like can you imagine if they released the headset and there was an app called iPhone?

0:33:20Yeah right like the iPod was like the biggest thing in the world and they were just like oh

0:33:27Oh, we're just reducing that to just a piece of software on our new device.

0:33:32I guess the real one would be like, if the, yeah, like Mike has just said it in the discord,

0:33:36if we had a Mac app on the iPad or something, right?

0:33:40Like which is what we want.

0:33:41I mean, it's what I want there to be.

0:33:43You're going to have a Mac app on the headset.

0:33:45It's just going to be called Mac and you click it or I don't know, tap it.

0:33:50In all seriousness, I could actually imagine that one.

0:33:53Yes.

0:33:54Right?

0:33:55There's an app just called Mac and it's how you get to the stuff.

0:33:59To your desktop environment, yes.

0:34:01I actually, like, they should just do Mac app on the iPad too and it's like virtualization

0:34:07for macOS.

0:34:08Or, or, here's an idea.

0:34:12And I would actually, this is silly, but hear me out.

0:34:18So if the headset is gonna have a Mac OS, sort of a wireless streaming mode or you know

0:34:25that basically you connect to your computer, I wouldn't hate it, alright, if the iPad could

0:34:33do it too.

0:34:34Like, okay, I'm gonna keep my Mac somewhere in the house and just go, eh, because you

0:34:40know it's gonna be better than doing VNC, which is what I do now from time to time.

0:34:46You know, you could be in the headset, virtualizing to your Mac.

0:34:52Yes.

0:34:53You then go with universal control to your iPad and you turn the reality dial and you

0:35:04go into, like, and now you're looking at the iPad.

0:35:08That's your future Federico.

0:35:09You're aware of this?

0:35:10So I'm wearing the headset.

0:35:12Okay.

0:35:13We're in the headset.

0:35:14There's an iPad and Mac.

0:35:15No, it's just a Mac.

0:35:16- No iPad.

0:35:17- Okay, so when you say universal control,

0:35:20where's the iPad?

0:35:22- The iPad's physically in front of you.

0:35:24You just want to control the iPad.

0:35:25You need to do something on the iPad,

0:35:27but you don't have your Mac plugged in,

0:35:28it's just in a closet, right?

0:35:30So you have to, in the headset, use the Mac,

0:35:34move the mouse over, turn the dial,

0:35:36now you're in AR mode and you can use the iPad.

0:35:39That's your future.

0:35:40- If that's not gonna work, I'm gonna be so upset.

0:35:44Now that you say it, it needs to be a feature.

0:35:47Like, let me turn dial and hop onto iPadOS

0:35:52and then come back.

0:35:54Yeah, very, very meta.

0:35:56That's it.

0:35:56- I think we're in for a while.

0:35:57- No, that's a different company.

0:35:58- That's a different company.

0:35:59No, I didn't mean the company.

0:36:01- I'm putting a screenshot in the Discord.

0:36:05- It's gonna look like that.

0:36:06It's gonna look like that. - That's what's gonna happen.

0:36:07So this is a real screenshot that happened to me

0:36:10probably like 15 years ago,

0:36:11where you accidentally VNC into the Mac that you were VNC'd into.

0:36:16And it is like an infinity mirror. Yes. Yes.

0:36:19But for a way, how did this happen?

0:36:22You VNC'd. I VNC'd into the computer

0:36:25that I was VNC'd into already or you would have been a loop somehow

0:36:30because you can see the window names like wiki mini and then Mac server,

0:36:34wiki mini Mac server.

0:36:35This was at a client's forever. I work on an installed DVD.

0:36:40Look at those icons. Handbrake is on there.

0:36:42Dymo.

0:36:44Dymo!

0:36:45The ASD folder.

0:36:47MacData.

0:36:48-Ooh. -MacData.

0:36:49-MacData. -What is the little Mac?

0:36:52-What do you mean? -MacData.

0:36:54There's a Mac.

0:36:55There's like an old Mac in the dock.

0:36:57That's MacTracker.

0:36:58-The old MacTracker icon. -I like how you say it like that.

0:37:01Like, I should just know.

0:37:02Well, obviously, that's MacTracker.

0:37:04-That's MacTracker to me. -The MacTracker app

0:37:05-that everybody obviously has. -Come on.

0:37:06Is that Word 2003?

0:37:08It's an old version of Word.

0:37:10That's the best logo.

0:37:12What is that X next to it?

0:37:13I don't know.

0:37:14I have no idea.

0:37:14Excel, probably.

0:37:15We're roasting a doc from 2000.

0:37:18You're roasting a doc from...

0:37:20Let me see what year this was.

0:37:21That's actually a nice idea.

0:37:23Like, for the future, we should consider this.

0:37:26Like, roast my old home screen.

0:37:28Oh, that's good.

0:37:29Mike, put down the document.

0:37:31Yeah, one to it, one to it.

0:37:32What is the A with wings and what is that weird hat?

0:37:35I want to know all of this.

0:37:37Is that have bowtie?

0:37:39I don't know what it is.

0:37:40This is a client computer I was on and then on again and again and again and again.

0:37:45And that client had Mac tracker?

0:37:47Yeah.

0:37:47Apparently.

0:37:48So many questions.

0:37:48Somehow I don't believe you though.

0:37:51Like that client had Mac tracker installed?

0:37:53You put it there.

0:37:55I know what this is.

0:37:56Okay.

0:37:57Wait, wait.

0:37:57No, no, I got it.

0:37:58How could somebody...

0:37:59No, no, no, wait.

0:38:00Before you answer, because I need to just come around on it, because you're going to give us the

0:38:03truth, but I need to...

0:38:04I'm doubling down what Federico is saying here.

0:38:05Okay.

0:38:06Like, and also, I think I'm starting to see something which might be what you'll

0:38:09have realized. Like, I like the way that you say that, like, you have to help somebody out

0:38:14with their Mac, but they have Mac tracker. How would that make any sense?

0:38:17So what it is the frame. So like, the main screenshot, I remember now was the computer

0:38:24in the office of my Apple authorized service provider. It was like our,

0:38:28the Mac Pro we had in the shop. I was then remoting in to another machine.

0:38:34Yes.

0:38:35Which was remoted into my computer.

0:38:37And so it was down and down we go.

0:38:42So it had Mac tracker on it because I was using this computer.

0:38:45OK, so the other machine is the one with the other dock.

0:38:48Yes, with the more standard OS 10 server dock.

0:38:52Yes, yes, yes.

0:38:53So was that like a new Mac centipede or something?

0:38:56I'm cutting that from the show, that's for sure.

0:38:59So close.

0:39:00No, I'll leave it.

0:39:03Remember you made that joke about my mom?

0:39:05Listeners will know by now that the edit for this maybe didn't even happen.

0:39:10Maybe didn't even happen.

0:39:11Maybe didn't even happen.

0:39:12Maybe didn't even happen.

0:39:13Maybe didn't even happen.

0:39:14Maybe you just have to edit it yourself.

0:39:15Maybe you're just going to get three MP3s in the feed.

0:39:17Who knows?

0:39:18Oh, it's like edit by numbers.

0:39:20You just provide the listeners all the files and then they could just make their own show.

0:39:23Remember that time that we rolled the dice and did topics based on number and you freaked

0:39:27out?

0:39:28I thought you were going to do that to me today.

0:39:29I thought about it.

0:39:30Because you referenced it on Backstage.

0:39:31I know you did because you said don't forget like I was like, oh, here we go.

0:39:34So all day, all this entire episode,

0:39:36I've been waiting for you to bring out a dice. Yeah. Well, there's too much.

0:39:39I think at this point it's too late. Too much other stuff going on.

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0:40:12WWDC, not the biggest news this week. It's just not.

0:40:16Because Apple Music Classical is here and everyone's freaking out about it.

0:40:20A couple of evenings ago, I'm getting, I'm starting to like wind down for the day,

0:40:25getting ready for bed.

0:40:26And I grab my iPhone, I look at it and it says "Your pre-order is available."

0:40:30like what are you talking about? It was Apple Music classical baby, Midnight

0:40:33Struck! Nice! And I got in, you know, I got in and everyone I was super excited I

0:40:38started googling around, googling, started searching around, binging, and uh and I

0:40:44found a bunch of really weird music. There's some strange like edge cases I

0:40:49feel like in this app like you imagine it's like classical music. It was like I opened

0:40:53it and it said like continue listening to the Hamilton soundtracks like I don't

0:40:57I don't know man, like it's about old things.

0:41:00I wouldn't call it classical.

0:41:01And then I just started googling around.

0:41:03I found Halo for Federico.

0:41:05I found some Star Wars music.

0:41:07Comfort Red October was in there.

0:41:09You know, it's all going on.

0:41:11It just feels like basically,

0:41:13I don't know how stuff's like categorized

0:41:16to get into Apple Music classical,

0:41:19but there's also a lot of soundtracks in there too,

0:41:24which I actually think is good, right?

0:41:26like it's good that it's not just Beethoven.

0:41:29Like there is stuff in there which has the same edge cases

0:41:34of like there was a big orchestra doing this,

0:41:36like what version was it, you know?

0:41:38Like a lot of the video game music that I've found

0:41:41is like orchestral covers of video game music

0:41:45included in some thing somewhere, right?

0:41:47But I'll be honest, like I've poked around

0:41:50and I'm not the person here.

0:41:52like I don't understand what people get out of this app, right? Like I know it has a bunch

0:41:58of metadata, but like I don't understand why any of that metadata is necessarily interesting,

0:42:05but like I know people care. So like I'm not saying it's bad to care. I'm just like in

0:42:09my looking around of the app, I don't get it. My favorite thing, and I wished I could

0:42:14use it for all of my music, is that it features Apple's New York font, which is my favorite

0:42:19font that Apple make. It's good fun. I have my file structure in Obsidian is using the

0:42:27New York font. Pretty cool, right?

0:42:29Really? You use that in Obsidian?

0:42:31I use it for the file browser on the side.

0:42:34That's a choice? Okay.

0:42:35You got some sweet serifs over there, man.

0:42:37Yeah. But that's all the important stuff. And then my actual text in my notes is in

0:42:43San Francisco Rounded.

0:42:45I like SF Rounded a lot.

0:42:46I guess SF Rounded is very comfortable in the eyes. Yeah, then like, you know, I've got like it's like, you know, mm-hmm

0:42:53It's like nice nice fancy like official stuff on the sidebar and it's all in New York. That's that's that's nice. I

0:43:00too

0:43:02lack the

0:43:04full

0:43:05Appreciation of this type of music to understand this app and I was looking around today

0:43:09I was like surely someone has reviewed this from the standpoint of I

0:43:13I listen to classical music and this is what I think is an informed, mature person.

0:43:18Kirk McClurean wrote that over on Tidbit, so that'll be a link in the show notes.

0:43:22Kirk McElhone. It really is. This is Kirk McElhone.

0:43:25Me and Jason were talking about him recently as a person at Macworld who loved classical music.

0:43:30Oh!

0:43:30And iTunes! Used to have a column about iTunes, I think.

0:43:33Oh, that's why I know the name!

0:43:35Yeah!

0:43:36Yeah!

0:43:37And me and Jason were talking about, "Oh, I hope Kirk McElhone writes a review

0:43:42because he's wanted this forever and here it is.

0:43:46So this is the, this is like for Kirk,

0:43:50this is like Kirk McElhern, the Apple Music classical review, right?

0:43:54Like this is like, you know, it's like the Federico style for Iowa.

0:43:58Like this is everything he's wanted maybe. I don't know.

0:44:01I didn't see this review. I'm happy it exists. I didn't know where it'd be.

0:44:04I will now read it. Not now, but I will read it. No, read it out loud.

0:44:08It's okay. In the mid 2000s, I was approached by,

0:44:11(laughs)

0:44:13- So yeah, so it does seem like this is one of those things

0:44:17that's hard to evaluate unless you're in this world.

0:44:19You know, I feel this way,

0:44:22I preemptively feel this way about the headset

0:44:24- Right. - a little bit,

0:44:25which is why I'm glad like the two of you and John

0:44:28and others are spending time with the products

0:44:30that are out now.

0:44:30So collectively we can have some experience with it.

0:44:35Of course, we also need to talk about

0:44:36like what this app doesn't have, right?

0:44:38we've mentioned before, no iPad app, no Mac app.

0:44:42There's not even a CarPlay version of it,

0:44:44which I talked about in Macedon and someone replied that,

0:44:48well, maybe it's for like more formal listening.

0:44:50I think they just didn't get it done.

0:44:51Like clearly this was rushed 'cause they missed the deadline

0:44:56and it's only on the iPhone.

0:44:57You can't tell me that was the plan all along, so.

0:45:00- Right, but this is the thing I don't understand though.

0:45:03Considering they missed the deadline,

0:45:05why did it need to be rushed?

0:45:07You've already missed a deadline.

0:45:09You know, a missed deadline never misses

0:45:13and a deadline is missed always.

0:45:16That's the quote, right?

0:45:17- Is this, what was that once and upon,

0:45:20what was that last week?

0:45:21- A once if upon.

0:45:22I actually listened back to that part

0:45:23of the episode last week.

0:45:24I think something went wrong with me.

0:45:26- No, your brain broke is what happened.

0:45:29- It was really bad

0:45:30and it was very funny for me listening back.

0:45:31I'm doing, you know, this is the quote

0:45:33from the Nintendo guy, right?

0:45:35A missed deadline is always missed

0:45:37and a deadline not missed can always be deadlined or something like that.

0:45:40Right Federico? You know video games.

0:45:42It was a rushed game is forever bad, the delayed game is eventually good.

0:45:48Is that what you're thinking of? Yes.

0:45:49Yeah. Although I heard recently that that is apparently misattributed.

0:45:54He never said that.

0:45:55Well, that's the funny thing about quotes, right?

0:45:58Anybody can make them up.

0:46:00So...

0:46:01I think it's one of those things where like actually somebody else said it

0:46:05in an interview with him, but it was never actually known that he was the one who said

0:46:09it.

0:46:10And he just nodded.

0:46:11And they're like "Oh he agrees, he agrees!"

0:46:13He didn't agree at all.

0:46:15And he's just going along with it.

0:46:20Anyway, I did play around with Apple Music Classical.

0:46:25Again, I'm not the guy for this type of app and service.

0:46:31I'm super glad they did it.

0:46:33Like we spoke about, I think classical music has some really unique requirements compared

0:46:39to pop music.

0:46:40And in fact, even as someone who doesn't appreciate or understand classical music enough, I will

0:46:46tell you that the best screen of Apple Music Classical, which I hope Apple will consider

0:46:53maybe in a lighter version in the future, is the metadata screen for when you want to

0:47:01check out the info of the... do you call them songs in classical music or pieces?

0:47:07What do you call them?

0:47:08Movements? I don't know man. I'm just saying words now.

0:47:13The thing you're listening to, if you tap on the info button, you get like essentially a credits screen,

0:47:22like a metadata screen that tells you like the composer and the, you know, the work and the orchestra,

0:47:29and all of those are clickable items, that's excellent.

0:47:33That's exactly the sort of stuff that I would like to see in Apple Music

0:47:38for a more general public.

0:47:40There are utilities for this, like for example, MusicSmart.

0:47:43I've been using MusicSmart forever.

0:47:46It's made by the same developer who makes MusicBox and Play,

0:47:52excellent media utilities.

0:47:54And MusicSmart is like an action extension that you can run

0:47:58as you're listening to stuff in Apple Music and it tells you, okay, for this song from Apple Music,

0:48:03here's the mixing engineer and the production engineer and here's who plays the cello and here's

0:48:08who plays drums and you can tap in on the names of these people and see more of their work. Like

0:48:14this sort of metadata that can help you discover other albums or works by other people, that's

0:48:21lovely. Apple Music Classical has this baked in, which is the right thing to do for this type of

0:48:28of music, but I would love to see a version of this eventually in Apple

0:48:32Music as well. And I actually think that Spotify has this sort of screen, not as

0:48:40detailed, of course, as MusicSmart, and I also think that Tidal shows you full

0:48:46credits for songs you're listening to.

0:48:48I think you're right, because I have a

0:48:51memory of you saying that was something you liked about Tidal, that it had that metadata in it.

0:48:57They have that, I'm pretty sure they have that, yeah.

0:48:59Which makes sense. Is Jack Dorsey still on that?

0:49:02That's the thing that happened, right?

0:49:04Oh, Jack Dorsey, yeah, that guy.

0:49:06Tidal...

0:49:07What is he doing now? Crypto something?

0:49:10No, he's making a Twitter replacement.

0:49:12Oh yeah, but...

0:49:13Bluebird.

0:49:15Bluebird?

0:49:16What's it called?

0:49:16No, no, it's got a different name.

0:49:19No, it's Blue... Blue...

0:49:21Blue Sky?

0:49:22Wave?

0:49:23No, no, Blue Sky.

0:49:25Blueground?

0:49:25No.

0:49:26Jack Dorsey new Twitter. Blue Twitter. Blue block. Blue Sky. Someone said that already.

0:49:30It's Blue Sky y'all. Guys. No. Blue Sky. Blue Sky. Yeah it's right there. It's in the TechCrunch article.

0:49:36On March 2nd 2021 it was announced that financial technology company Square had reached an agreement

0:49:41to acquire the majority ownership of Tumblr I think right? No of Tidal. What is happening?

0:49:52I'm concerned about Mike lately.

0:49:55What are you talking about?

0:49:56I was on...

0:49:57There's nothing... I was doing it right.

0:49:59I was doing it right, Stevenson Tumblr.

0:50:03I was just reading.

0:50:06What did I do?

0:50:09No, I'm not concerned anymore.

0:50:10Okay. Well, that was fast.

0:50:12You changed my mind.

0:50:14I don't know if I should be happy about that.

0:50:15You changed my mind.

0:50:16I think you were concerned and then became too unconcerned.

0:50:19I am very easily swayed as a person.

0:50:22Yes.

0:50:23Okay.

0:50:24Why are we talking about Jack Dorsey?

0:50:25Because he, he.

0:50:27We should be talking about this next item in the list,

0:50:31which my brain read as Steven in the wild,

0:50:35but it's not Steven in the wild.

0:50:39The item is labeled Shazam in the wild.

0:50:42Shazam in the wild.

0:50:43This happened to me just yesterday.

0:50:46I was working at a coffee shop.

0:50:48I was kind of in between things.

0:50:49little time so I popped in and sitting there you know doing some stuff my laptop during a drink

0:50:56and I notice across the coffee shop a guy's holding his phone above his head and this

0:51:01coffee shop has music playing in the background. Mike has the place I've taken you a bunch,

0:51:06you've been there plays music. Is it the place with the smoothies? Yes that's like that place

0:51:11they do good breakfast. It's good so he has his he's he's sitting there with someone across the

0:51:17the table but he has his phone up like his arm is fully outstretched over his

0:51:21head and then he notices me looking at him we make eye contact and he like

0:51:27yanks his arm down it's like I already saw you and I know what you're doing

0:51:32you're Shazaming but I didn't go ask him because I would have been that would

0:51:37have made an uncomfortable situation even more uncomfortable but he had a

0:51:40been Shazaming what else could he been doing? Had to be. Had to be. I'm too slow so

0:51:46this isn't funny but like you know you're saying about like Steven in the

0:51:48wild shit my the what the joke that I had that came too slowly was the legend

0:51:53of Shazam Steven in the wild oh that's good I just wanted to say it like so

0:51:59I've said it now but I know it's not funny because it was too slow that's

0:52:03just how it goes sometimes if you were nicer to me you know I could have like

0:52:06dropped that in the edit more it's okay because if to get that I have to you

0:52:11would then remove the joke about my well you made the joke about my oh yeah no

0:52:15it'd be a trade for sure. Yeah and so I'm not I'm not willing to trade that I want

0:52:18people to hear how you are. We've been a bit crazy today and I think we're still

0:52:22gonna be on that kick but I actually this is a serious moment like I want to

0:52:26bring the mood for a moment just to just to a pause because there's something

0:52:30that we should talk about Federico do you want to talk about Alex Hay?

0:52:36Alex Heye was the developer and creator of Toolbox Pro, of Logger, it was known for his GitHub repo, Buki,

0:52:51which is a series of tips and code for getting started with implementing shortcuts actions,

0:52:58if you're a developer on Apple platforms.

0:53:01Most people listening probably heard of Alex

0:53:05because of Toolbox Pro, an amazing utility

0:53:07for sort of enhancing shortcuts with additional actions

0:53:11that I first reviewed in 2019

0:53:15and that I kept following over the years

0:53:17as sort of the example of sort of what you can do

0:53:20with shortcuts thanks to the native framework for actions.

0:53:25And Alex passed away a couple of weeks ago.

0:53:30after a battle with cancer, unfortunately, and he was 36. And I knew that Alex wasn't doing well.

0:53:43Because here's the thing about Alex. One of the most talented and creative and kind indie developers

0:53:57I've ever had the pleasure to communicate with, to work with.

0:54:01We never met in real life in person, but to paint you a picture is the kind of guy that

0:54:09it was always open for suggestions and ideas and feature requests.

0:54:14And a couple of years ago, I sent him a DM on Twitter and I'm like, "Hey, I was thinking

0:54:21about such and such feature in Toolbox Pro and I just wanted to send you a note."

0:54:26And he replied after a couple of days, and he apologized.

0:54:31And he tells me, "I'm so sorry, you're right.

0:54:34"I haven't gotten, sorry for the late reply,

0:54:37"and I haven't gotten to this feature,

0:54:38"but work on Toolbox Pro lately has been kind of messy

0:54:42"because I was diagnosed with cancer."

0:54:45And I'm like, "Dude, you don't need to apologize."

0:54:49And we talked a bunch about that.

0:54:54And I was hoping that he was doing better.

0:54:57And then early last week, soon after he passed,

0:55:02we got a note from a close friend of his

0:55:08who was also in touch with his family.

0:55:10And it really shook me for the entire week.

0:55:15I was not expecting this.

0:55:19And it's such a tragedy, honestly.

0:55:24And I was hoping that it was doing better.

0:55:29But yeah, later I discovered that Alex had posted about three weeks ago on the subreddit for the upcoming video game Starfield,

0:55:46saying I'm very bummed that the game was delayed because I've been diagnosed with terminal cancer,

0:55:54I'm on palliative care at my parents house and I probably won't get to play this game

0:56:00because it's been delayed to September I think.

0:56:03And later, once I read this I was like yeah, being new unfortunately and this is such a

0:56:12a tragedy and a huge loss in the Apple, iOS automation communities.

0:56:19And as soon as I heard, I had the thought of, you know, none of the...

0:56:27This idea that I had, it doesn't... none of this matters, in the sense that

0:56:31it doesn't do anything to alleviate the pain of Alex's loss.

0:56:37But I thought maybe we can do something to honor his memory,

0:56:44to make sure that people remember his name,

0:56:47and that his name remains known in this community,

0:56:51in this little thing that we do in this small corner

0:56:56of humanity, that his name is out there,

0:57:00you know, for what it did in this community in his lifetime.

0:57:04And so I thought, the least I can do is, you know, this year's Automation April, which

0:57:10is an event about automation, the thing he loved.

0:57:14We would like to do it in his name and as Max Stories, you know, donate to a couple

0:57:19of charities for cancer research in the US and in the UK where he was based.

0:57:24We checked with his family because obviously we wanted to have the blessing of his family.

0:57:29It's like, hey, can we do this?

0:57:31Can we have your permission to do this?

0:57:34And apparently, you know, they told us, you know, Alex was so, it was also the kind of

0:57:42person who, you know, I discovered that his friends like only recently found out about

0:57:50like his side career as an iOS developer.

0:57:53It's like, and he was so humble and kind, it's like he never bragged about it.

0:58:00he had a main job as a sort of a documentary editor, I think. And so, yeah, this is, I

0:58:09just wanted to talk about this for a couple of minutes here. You know, we can and we should

0:58:16get serious on this show when needed. Alex was a friend and a developer I loved working

0:58:24with and the creator of one of the most incredible indie utilities I've seen in recent years.

0:58:31So if you, you know, spare, if you were a user of one of his apps or a developer who

0:58:39found this work for the bookie repo useful, you know, spare a thought for Alex, if you

0:58:45can. And as we wrote on Mac stories, as John wrote on Mac stories, I couldn't bring myself

0:58:52to write the post myself. I'm not good with these things.

0:58:56-I'm not good with... -Understandably.

0:58:59Yeah, I mean, you know.

0:59:02But as Jon wrote, you know, if you want, we encourage you.

0:59:08You know, if you can donate to a cancer charity, whatever it is,

0:59:13you know, it's always a good time to donate to charities, but hey, that's...

0:59:16-Never a bad time. -It's never a bad time,

0:59:18but it's always so human nature to be touched

0:59:21by these things when they hit close to you.

0:59:23There's nothing wrong about admitting that,

0:59:26the way we are built as people.

0:59:28So yeah, if you can do it, if you cannot do it,

0:59:31it's fine, but it's important to remember

0:59:35Alex, a great developer who we lost way, way too soon.

0:59:41This isn't important at all in the grand scheme

0:59:46of what we're talking about here, and I'd say this with

0:59:49you know, nothing but the most respect for Alex's work and life and everything.

0:59:56But do you know what's going to happen to his apps? Like, is there anything that can happen?

1:00:03We are actually in touch with this friend of Alex who told us about his passing.

1:00:14and he said, "I am going to look into whether we can do anything with this code,

1:00:23whether he left any instructions, whether there's anything we can do to make sure that this,

1:00:30all of this doesn't go to waste and if we can maybe find a new home for Toolbox Pro at the very least,

1:00:37you know, arguably the most popular of his apps."

1:00:40And also because like Toolbox Pro like was sort of Alex knew what he was doing with the

1:00:48Shortcuts framework.

1:00:50And it's the kind of product that at the very least, you know, if they can find a way, if

1:00:57Alex's friends and family can find a way to at the very least open source it, maybe I

1:01:02wouldn't know, right?

1:01:03It's not my call, not my decision, but I hope it doesn't go out of waste.

1:01:08But yes, it's a conversation that we're having.

1:01:12- Yeah, that is his legacy.

1:01:16- Yeah.

1:01:16- You know?

1:01:17Like I know if, I can't speak for him,

1:01:20but I know if I was in that situation,

1:01:22I would want people to still be able to enjoy my work.

1:01:25I mean, obviously you still can, right?

1:01:27But at a certain point, these apps will stop working,

1:01:31which again, leads into one of like

1:01:32the very long ongoing conversations we've had on the show

1:01:35about preservation software, right?

1:01:37Yeah, we've been talking about it forever and now we're facing very closely this problem.

1:01:45As time goes on these problems only occur more and more.

1:01:49I mean, I would love to know, I don't know if anybody knows, is there a provision for this?

1:01:54Has Apple made any tools for this, for developer accounts?

1:01:59I have no idea.

1:02:00Like legacy contacts for developer accounts? I don't know.

1:02:05Because I know from people that have tried to sell apps that that's almost impossible to do the transfer.

1:02:10So like, yeah. Yeah, anyway, that's not important. Rest in peace, Alex Hay.

1:02:17You made a mark on this community, right? And nothing but love for everybody who's affected.

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1:04:55- Anyway, 16.4, Ventura 3.3,

1:04:58watchOS 9.4, let's see if I can get this right.

1:05:02tvOS 16.4,

1:05:05- .4.

1:05:06- ipos 16.4,

1:05:08HomePod software update,

1:05:11HomePod software update.

1:05:12(laughing)

1:05:14- Is that the version number?

1:05:15The version number's HomePod software?

1:05:17- It's 16.4.

1:05:18- 16.4.

1:05:20Oh, I like the "I think" there at the end.

1:05:21Apple Studio Display firmware update 16.4.

1:05:27No?

1:05:28Wait, that's all. That's all.

1:05:31That's all of them.

1:05:32There was also Big Sur 11.7.5.

1:05:36Alright.

1:05:37That's not important for this.

1:05:39Big Sur.

1:05:40Okay.

1:05:40All of these are out.

1:05:42Available as of yesterday.

1:05:45In fact, we are already on the next cycle of the beta.

1:05:49We'll get to that.

1:05:50We'll get to that in a minute.

1:05:51So we spoke about the highlights of this before.

1:05:55New emoji, right?

1:05:57New emoji everywhere.

1:05:58Yeah.

1:05:59Goose emoji is the best emoji.

1:06:00The rest of them, like Adina said to me, what are the good emojis?

1:06:03And I showed her the image and I'm like, really?

1:06:05None of them.

1:06:06You know, goose is good.

1:06:07Goose is good.

1:06:08Shaking face is weird.

1:06:10Shaking face has potential, I think.

1:06:11Is yeah, but I don't know what for.

1:06:13Ew, weird emoji, right?

1:06:15It's blurry because it's shaking.

1:06:17Weird that it's blurry.

1:06:18I don't like that it's blurry.

1:06:19- Yeah, otherwise how would you convey the shaking?

1:06:22Anyway.

1:06:23- I'm gonna try something here,

1:06:24so I'm gonna send you all shaking.

1:06:26- Oh no, no, no, no, don't do it.

1:06:27You're gonna do it where it's like the one

1:06:28that flies around?

1:06:30- No, shaking face emoji with the loud,

1:06:34oh, that's a good combo.

1:06:35- What did you just send?

1:06:36- With the loud message effect?

1:06:37- Send it to the-- - Ooh, it shakes, yes.

1:06:39- With John. - It seems like it's shaking.

1:06:41- Yeah, that's a good one.

1:06:43That's actually, there's the combo.

1:06:45You should only, when I look at it though, right,

1:06:47and it's big, it makes me feel like I don't have my glasses on.

1:06:51And that doesn't make me feel good.

1:06:53It's like a pre-retina emoji.

1:06:55[LAUGHS]

1:06:56Because this is what things look like when

1:06:58I don't wear my glasses.

1:07:00Where it's like I can see everything fine,

1:07:02but it's all just got like a blurry mist to it.

1:07:05So that's a very strange thing.

1:07:06Wow, your eyes are terrible.

1:07:07They're not that bad.

1:07:08But like, you know, we did it.

1:07:10We did the Jeremy's, right?

1:07:11But like the one flower they added--

1:07:14was it hyacinth?

1:07:15Was that the flower?

1:07:16why that one flower? Yes, that was the one. I said lavender and it wasn't lavender.

1:07:20And it's like why did you, why just ginger, you know, like the the additions

1:07:26are strange now. They're just weird. Gruber is right on their Infariball.

1:07:31You know we're getting these strange additions like ginger and high

1:07:36synth and you know multiple hands but there's still no chef's kiss emoji. I

1:07:40mean come on. But you can make that work though. Like I don't know why people

1:07:44need that it's just two emojis combined you just said to imagine like a little

1:07:50Italian chef doing the kiss you know with the lips like it would be funny

1:07:54yeah but like what if it's Italian is it not like in sense of our culture

1:07:59insensitive no and we don't care about cultural insensitivity here we just you

1:08:04know I think as a people were okay with the jokes and the stereotypes that's a

1:08:09super bold thing to say, you know what I mean?

1:08:11- Well, I like to speak for my country.

1:08:14- You speak for all of Italy.

1:08:15- I like to speak for all Italians in this moment.

1:08:18We are okay with the memes.

1:08:20- The Italian delegation.

1:08:21- I mean, come on, like, is it, like, is it offensive

1:08:24if the, if the chef's kiss, like the little chef in,

1:08:28like, for example, the chef's kiss quote unquote emoji

1:08:31that I'm looking at in Discord right now.

1:08:33You've seen this fake emoji, right, in other places.

1:08:36Like, is it offensive that has the little Italian mustache?

1:08:40Eh, it's fine.

1:08:42You know, I, I can't, I can't personally comment on whether that is an Italian

1:08:47mustache or not.

1:08:48I mean, that's, yeah, you're the one, you're the one applying it to the Italian

1:08:51people.

1:08:51Oh, so I'm the offense, but that's fine.

1:08:53Federico, I think can do it.

1:08:55I can't say it.

1:08:56Okay.

1:08:57But you, you thought about it.

1:08:59Are you going to be honest?

1:09:01This is moving into a territory that I don't want to be in anymore.

1:09:06We agree the goose emoji is the best one. My daughter loves it. She keeps sending it to me

1:09:11I could do a better one. Hold on

1:09:19It sounds like it hurts

1:09:24Let's say you're a Puerto Rico. No, no, no, I cannot do it. I cannot do it. The dogs go wild

1:09:34There are some other things that we haven't mentioned

1:09:37or haven't mentioned in depth,

1:09:39notifications for web apps on the home screen

1:09:42for iOS and iPadOS.

1:09:43Federico, how do you turn these on?

1:09:45Where do you find them?

1:09:47I tried playing with this and couldn't,

1:09:49maybe I wasn't using a website that supported it yet, but.

1:09:52- That is the answer to your question.

1:09:55You gotta use a web app that you can add to the home screen

1:09:58and then it wants to send you notifications from the web.

1:10:02So this feels like a thing I'm never gonna want,

1:10:05but something's gonna find its way in.

1:10:08- There's one site that I want it for,

1:10:10but they didn't seem to offer it.

1:10:12- What is it? - Which is?

1:10:13- The Apple Newsroom.

1:10:15- Oh yeah.

1:10:15(laughing)

1:10:16So I, yes. - Because they used to be

1:10:19in Apple News in a way where you could have Apple News

1:10:21send you a notification, and that's not true anymore,

1:10:24and so it's very sad.

1:10:27- I'm guessing that if you go to,

1:10:29I don't know if MacRumors and 95Mac support web push notifications, and you know, on mobile as well,

1:10:38but in theory if you add one of those websites to the home screen and you request the notifications,

1:10:44you should be prompted. However, so there's an important difference here.

1:10:48Even if a website supports web push notifications, you will not get the prompt in Safari on iOS and

1:10:59an iPadOS. You need to add the web app to your home screen first. And that's because

1:11:06those web apps that get added to the home screen, once you get prompted for allowing

1:11:13push notifications, it means you will see that app in the focus settings, in just the

1:11:21general settings app, because it becomes tied to an app identity. There's no system right

1:11:29now to say manage push notifications in Safari for iPhone like you can in Safari for Mac,

1:11:35right? So you need to add them to the to the home screen first and to test this out I tried

1:11:42this service called Alerti.dev which is a a little web service that can send you push notifications

1:11:51via an API. It's similar to pushover, pushcut, like these sort of services where you can program

1:11:58your own push notifications, this one you can install as a web app on your iPhone and

1:12:05once you do and you log in with your account, the "send me notifications" button will start

1:12:11working, because the app detects "okay, I see that I've been saved as a web app on the

1:12:16home screen, therefore now I can ask the user for notification access". So that's the one

1:12:22They are very on this. Like, their website has imagery of that happening today.

1:12:28Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:12:30They're very on this from a marketing standpoint.

1:12:33Yeah, the developer actually reached out to me on Masterson,

1:12:35otherwise I had no idea that this service existed. I was like, this is perfect for-

1:12:39This is a good enterprising individual.

1:12:42Yes, this is perfect for what I needed to prepare for this article,

1:12:45and I actually think I'm gonna do a couple of shortcuts in this week's newsletter.

1:12:50No.

1:12:51Yeah.

1:12:52Shortcuts? You? No.

1:12:54I know, I know. You're surprised. And you should be.

1:12:58And you should be, because I hate shortcuts.

1:13:01You should be surprised.

1:13:03Now he's all about the Siri shortcuts.

1:13:05I never expected... No, but seriously, yes. I'm gonna do a few shortcuts.

1:13:10Here's a question for y'all.

1:13:13Would you implement something like this on your own websites?

1:13:16Relay, FM, or MacStories?

1:13:18MacStories used to have web push notifications and then I realized, yeah, years ago, like

1:13:24eight years ago or something.

1:13:26This is like in the idea that like used to be in Flipboard, used to be in Apple news,

1:13:31right?

1:13:32Like there are these things you just try them, you don't know, do you?

1:13:33You just try them, you don't know what's going to catch on.

1:13:36Yes, exactly.

1:13:37And, but then I realized, okay, first we're no longer the type of website where you're

1:13:43like, oh, I need to be super up to date on what MacStories is publishing.

1:13:47-You know, like, most people... -I would like it.

1:13:49Well, most people, they just open Mac stories,

1:13:52but, like, maybe at the end of the workday

1:13:54or maybe during the launch break, and they're like,

1:13:55"Okay, let me see what's here on the homepage."

1:13:57It's my homepage, son.

1:13:58Well, I appreciate you. Thank you.

1:14:01But that's not necessary.

1:14:04Like, we're not 9 to 5 Mac or the Verge,

1:14:07like, pushing out 20 stories a day and be like,

1:14:09"Okay, it's actually useful to be alerted by,

1:14:13you know, the latest rumor."

1:14:14I would say that would make more sense

1:14:17have notifications. Interesting perspective. Okay, we will do notifications because you

1:14:22told me this. Thank you. I told you I missed this way as a person. And I will turn them

1:14:26on just for you. Okay, thank you. Steven, I do not want under any circumstances to the

1:14:31Relay FM website to send web notifications. Why though? Why? I mean, I could tell you

1:14:37the same thing. People want to know when you're live. Only five shows record live. Yeah. And

1:14:46And also, really, we want people listening live to be in the Discord, and the Discord

1:14:50can notify you.

1:14:51And the Discord can notify people if you sign up for that role in Discord.

1:14:55The most important thing we do is publish podcasts, and your podcast app will notify

1:14:59you when there's new shows.

1:15:00And so I feel like we're covered otherwise.

1:15:03We don't want people on the website.

1:15:04We want people to subscribe to the shows.

1:15:07The website, for us, it's kind of funny.

1:15:10One of the best things that can happen is we have a high bounce rate.

1:15:12We have a high bounce rate.

1:15:13It usually means people have come to the website.

1:15:16got what they wanted and they've gone and we never see them again.

1:15:19That's fine.

1:15:20We don't even have analytics anymore on the site so who knows what's happening.

1:15:22I think it's going to Wahl over there.

1:15:24I know, yeah.

1:15:25The chat GPT is all up in us, you know, doing stuff.

1:15:28It is too, you know.

1:15:31You ask it some questions, it pulls some very silly things.

1:15:35A couple of other things in iOS and iPadOS.

1:15:38Voice isolation for cellular calls.

1:15:41has been something available in voice over IP apps, but it's buried in Control Center

1:15:47and it's only available when you're on a phone call.

1:15:51Maybe they're not sure this, so they're kind of like, you know, soft launching it in Control

1:15:54Center, but it seems like an odd placement to me.

1:15:58I have not used this.

1:15:59I assume it sounds amazing.

1:16:02The podcast app got a bunch of new features.

1:16:04So it's got channels, support for channels.

1:16:06So you can like find a channel like Relay FM and you can put it in the app and you can

1:16:09find everything there.

1:16:10- Okay, can I say something about the podcast app?

1:16:14- Yeah, you sure can, please do.

1:16:15- Okay, so the podcast app, I really wanna use it,

1:16:20but like I need to convince

1:16:23whoever needs to be convinced at Apple

1:16:26that they gotta take their,

1:16:28and I'm gonna say existing feature for trimming silence.

1:16:33All right, they have this feature built already,

1:16:39And you know where? In Voice Memos.

1:16:42They have this feature in Voice Memos,

1:16:45along with an audio enhancement feature,

1:16:48also in Voice Memos.

1:16:50So hear me out, Apple, Apple Podcasts,

1:16:53as you know, the, hear me out, Apple Podcasts boss.

1:16:58Take those two features, which someone already built,

1:17:02bring them over to the podcast app,

1:17:04millions, well, no, let me rephrase,

1:17:07hundreds of thousands of nerds like me will switch to podcasts if you do.

1:17:13This is literally the only reason why I'm using a pocket casts, but I would

1:17:20consider it like I would realistically consider it.

1:17:23That's still the one thing.

1:17:25You know, and here's my pitch.

1:17:26Here's my pitch. OK, look, life, OK, is busy.

1:17:30Life is just busy. You know, you got maybe you have kids, you have pets.

1:17:36Maybe you just bought a home, you know you want to travel.

1:17:39There's plenty of stuff coming out on Apple TV+.

1:17:41- And also listening at 1.5, 2x, 3x, monsters do that.

1:17:46- No, it's unnatural.

1:17:47It's unnatural.

1:17:48You know, who does that?

1:17:49- No, no, no, I disagree.

1:17:51If you wanna listen to me, listen to me however you want.

1:17:55- You should see the things.

1:17:56You should hear the things Steven says in private.

1:17:58- You should hear me with these accents, Steven,

1:18:01a 3x and you're gonna change your mind.

1:18:02You should hear me with this accent.

1:18:04If you don't want me at my 1X, you don't deserve me at my 3X.

1:18:08Wow, I love that.

1:18:10So what I'm saying though, but what I'm saying is life is busy, right?

1:18:14There's plenty of media choices out there, but I want to listen to my podcast.

1:18:19I want to listen to my podcast. I want to save a bit of time, if possible,

1:18:23without making the hosts sound like, you know, really fast talking people.

1:18:29So, Trim Silence and Audio, Magic Audio, Magic Volume, call it whatever you want to call it.

1:18:37Call it Magic Silence and Magic Audio, I don't know.

1:18:40You know, make up the name.

1:18:41But, Audio Effects in Apple Podcasts, I mean, everything else about it I really like.

1:18:47The channels, the UI, it's fast, it looks nice, it's got chapters, it works really well on the Apple Watch.

1:18:55It's got shortcuts integration, which I like.

1:18:58It's got Siri integration, which I like.

1:19:00Like everything about it is perfect

1:19:01except the actual listening.

1:19:04So audio effects is my pitch for Apple Podcasts boss.

1:19:09- A couple other just quick things.

1:19:13You can upgrade your HomeKit app architecture again.

1:19:16That's back.

1:19:18And in iMessage, Mastodon links are rich with previews.

1:19:24I haven't seen this yet, but I'm happy that it exists.

1:19:27You haven't seen it yet.

1:19:29I don't think so.

1:19:30I'm going to send you a mastodon right now.

1:19:33Send me a mastodon.

1:19:34Send me a don.

1:19:36Don me up.

1:19:36I'll don you up.

1:19:37Don me up.

1:19:39I'm putting it in our group chat right there.

1:19:41See?

1:19:41I'm still too scared to upgrade the whole map architecture,

1:19:44though.

1:19:44I ain't doing it.

1:19:44I did it the first time.

1:19:46And it's been fine.

1:19:47I will do it eventually, but I ain't doing it yet.

1:19:49Mine's been fine.

1:19:50Oh, look at that.

1:19:52That's like a tweet.

1:19:53Yeah.

1:19:54But you know--

1:19:54- That's good.

1:19:55- Open source or whatever.

1:19:57- That's good.

1:19:58Is it open source?

1:19:59Is it open source?

1:20:00- I don't know, Massone has a CEO, but it's federated.

1:20:03I don't know how it works.

1:20:04- Federated CEO.

1:20:06That guy is the CEO of all of our instances,

1:20:08whether we like it or not.

1:20:09That's how it works.

1:20:10That's what it means.

1:20:11- Wait, really?

1:20:12- That's what they won't tell you, you know?

1:20:14That's what the Fed-y friends won't tell you,

1:20:17is that person is all of our CEO.

1:20:19That's how that works.

1:20:20Did you read the terms of service?

1:20:22Don't think so.

1:20:23Can I be fired from my own instance?

1:20:25Yeah.

1:20:26Yep.

1:20:26By...

1:20:27That guy owns MaxLories now.

1:20:28By the Fedi guy?

1:20:29Fedi fired.

1:20:30By Fedi-o.

1:20:31By the Fedio?

1:20:33By the Fedio.

1:20:35Oh, man.

1:20:36Yeah, he's the new Fedi-rico Vatici.

1:20:40Fedio-rico.

1:20:41[LAUGHTER]

1:20:44That's what you don't know.

1:20:45That's what they want to tell you.

1:20:46Yeah.

1:20:47Who's they?

1:20:48Exactly.

1:20:49The Fedi friends.

1:20:50The Fedi friends.

1:20:51[LAUGHTER]

1:20:52Exactly.

1:20:53Exactly who is they real quick? Can I run through the rest of the updates?

1:20:57Why don't we take a break? We know it's not soon enough. We just took one

1:21:01No, no, but do it after the break, but after the break you do it real quick, okay?

1:21:05I'll do the break and then I'm gonna speedrun watch OS 9.4 and Mac OS. Okay. Thank you. Love it. Love it

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1:23:57Okay, on watch OS 9.4, wake up alarms are no longer silenced by covering the watch with

1:24:04your hand.

1:24:05You know, you can do that if someone calls you or alarm goes off.

1:24:09In sleep mode, you don't want to do that with your wake up alarm because that's how you

1:24:12wake up an hour late, 30 minutes before your podcast starts.

1:24:15This is one of those bugs that like, why now?

1:24:20Why is it fixed now?

1:24:21Right?

1:24:22Like, it's not like this is a new...

1:24:23It's very interesting to me.

1:24:25Was late to a meeting. Yes, Tim Cook missed a meeting and he is real mad about it

1:24:31I do get something like 4 a.m. You know, he didn't miss a meeting. He was a watch alarm doesn't go off

1:24:37Do you think he goes to sleep with the headset? No, I hope not

1:24:41Maybe it seems uncomfortable to sleep in anyways

1:24:45Also in watch OS 9.4 cycle tracking and a fib history is available in more countries

1:24:50See the links in the show notes for details there Mac OS got a bunch of this other stuff that we've already talked about already

1:24:57But also included within it a studio display update

1:25:02This was the first time I've been able to update a studio display and a couple of notes

1:25:06Oh, it took longer than the Ventura update took on my MacBook Pro

1:25:10Yeah, it's not great and it's really weird because like everything tells you do not unplug for the display from the computer

1:25:16Okay, I get that and you get these little like white dots on the screen cuz like it's just a reminder to me

1:25:22That my display is actually an iOS computer

1:25:24Just still very strange. I don't like

1:25:28when

1:25:30Updates tell me not to power off. Mm-hmm. I don't like that. Yeah, it's scary. It's scary

1:25:35It's like well, what if the power goes out? Do you guys remember that? I did this to an Apple watch

1:25:41Do you remember? Oh, yeah. No, I thought you pulled it off the charger too early. Yes. Yeah

1:25:45Yeah, but it's like the same idea right like don't take it off power. Okay. It was updating and I didn't know and

1:25:52I just took it off the charger. I don't think this happens anymore, by the way

1:25:57But and then it killed the Apple watch

1:25:59Completely I had to go I had to go in and get it all like that go to genius bar

1:26:05I had to do the whole nine yards like there's nothing you can do about it or could do about it then very annoying

1:26:09So those are all the updates you would think

1:26:13WWC is right around the corner surely there's nothing else this year, but just mere hours later the iOS

1:26:2016.5 and Ventura

1:26:2213.4 along with tvOS home pod all the other stuff

1:26:25Betas released Federico what is involved in this this groundbreaking new release nothing?

1:26:32There's something there's something two things two things that the people I've noticed

1:26:42There's a new my sports tab in Apple news where you can see all the sports in Apple news.

1:26:55I like it. It's about time.

1:26:58You can see schedules, scores and sports in the my sports tab in Apple news.

1:27:08No, but seriously, I mean, I'm not a sports people. If you are, it's probably great for you.

1:27:13Sports people. I'm not a sports people.

1:27:17I remember a concept for this a while back.

1:27:23Here's the thing that I'm confused about. Wasn't this in the WWDC keynote? Didn't they talk about this?

1:27:29They did. Yeah, it's just now coming out.

1:27:31Really? Wow.

1:27:33So I'm not I'm not losing it here like they've been slowly adding this in

1:27:37But my understanding was that like in the news app that was going to be a place for all of the sports things that you subscribe

1:27:44to

1:27:45Right. So, okay. I thought like this isn't new but it's weird because

1:27:50If I remember the WC keynote correctly

1:27:53News was going to be like the hub of the my sport stuff

1:27:58But the TV app has had some of that for a long time and more of it more recently in this cycle

1:28:03They're still not like a central place for all your sports stuff. So hopefully Apple news does that

1:28:08This will be a reason for me to reinstall Apple news because I take it off my device a long time ago

1:28:13but I'm hopeful that they can they can do this well because

1:28:17There are other apps obviously that do this there are apps that do

1:28:22live activities sports alerts is one that I like but

1:28:26having it kind of all in one place where like, okay, you could tie all the information together.

1:28:30You could pull in news stories. It could be a simple link out to like TV+ stuff.

1:28:34I'm hopeful they're finally kind of getting all their ducks in a row here.

1:28:38Also, you can ask Siri to start a screen recording. Yes. Huge. In 16.5.

1:28:44But again, this is one of those features of like,

1:28:47but why in

1:28:4916.5? Like why? Haven't you ever found yourself

1:28:53Just having a conversation with Siri and be like, "Hey buddy, start recording the screen."

1:28:57But why in 16.5? Why is this not in 17? Like, you know what I mean? Like, when is this coming out?

1:29:04Why is it now? It's very confusing to me.

1:29:06Because, because...

1:29:08Because?

1:29:10When you're wearing the headset,

1:29:13you should be able to start a screen recording via your voice.

1:29:19Right.

1:29:21Well, the headset's not going to be coming out at 16.5, is it?

1:29:25Well, that's your opinion, isn't it?

1:29:27So you think Apple's headset...

1:29:29No, man, I don't know what to think.

1:29:32It's just interesting. Like, why...

1:29:33I have no idea. I'm just making things up as I go.

1:29:36That's podcasting, baby.

1:29:38I don't know. I genuinely have no idea why these features ship now.

1:29:43It is strange, but I'm not sure I had it at the top of my list of things I wish Siri could do.

1:29:49But you know they got to compete somehow. Yeah, this is the way to do it. Yeah, take that Bing

1:29:53We'll start screen recordings with our voices

1:29:56Okay, you know the accidental

1:29:59Siri firing that we all have right we all accidentally trigger Siri

1:30:04I got an email for somebody apparently I triggered it on a show a few weeks ago, which I'm sorry for

1:30:08It's one thing to like I don't know Siri starts talking to you

1:30:13But like what if you pick your phone up and it's been screen recording for like four hours when it's on your desk

1:30:17that's gonna be great it's gonna be great aren't you excited I have a

1:30:24problem with cereal like similarly in these veins right now we're like I'm

1:30:27talking to someone and and it's happens to me very often like I'm using my

1:30:31AirPods and it's like okay or like working on it and like I don't know what

1:30:36I don't know what it's what I've just asked right like and then I have to like

1:30:40take my AirPods out in horror that someone's getting a text that I don't

1:30:44you know, and I never feel like I could,

1:30:47it never tells me what it's done,

1:30:49but like it's telling me it's doing a thing,

1:30:51but I don't know what that thing was, right?

1:30:54And that is terrifying to me as a process.

1:30:58And you may say, Mike, just turn off Siri on your AirPods,

1:31:01but I actually do use it too, so I don't want to.

1:31:05- Can I air an AirPod complaint?

1:31:08- Can air...

1:31:09- Is why we're here.

1:31:10- Pod of grievance.

1:31:10- If I walk or run or go for a bike or whatever,

1:31:14I will listen to one AirPod because I have a stronger version of being hit by a car.

1:31:19And I feel like if I can hear the car, maybe I can get out of the way in time.

1:31:22Transparency mode, man.

1:31:23I do that all the time. I do that all the time. No, no, no.

1:31:27Just the one air... I do this when I walk to dogs. Usually I listen...

1:31:31You gotta listen.

1:31:32You gotta listen. Usually, because even with the transparency mode,

1:31:35like the finer noises sometimes, I don't know,

1:31:39maybe it's my problem with age,

1:31:42But I do this all the time, just one ear.

1:31:45And it's usually I'm listening to Mike when I do this.

1:31:49- Hello. - Yes.

1:31:51- I'm too much for both ears.

1:31:52- Yes, as I was saying.

1:31:54- We can see you in the zoom, that's wild.

1:31:57- Federico just turned his camera on in zoom.

1:31:58- I don't know why I did this.

1:31:59I don't know what I clicked.

1:32:01- What I like is he did it and then he got confused

1:32:06and thrown off.

1:32:07- Look at this.

1:32:08No, I was thinking about what you said.

1:32:10Hi.

1:32:11Oh, look at you, Mike.

1:32:12Anyway, this is not a video podcast.

1:32:14We are against video podcasts.

1:32:16- Anti-video podcasts for the reason

1:32:19of everything that just happened,

1:32:20that we all turned our video cameras on

1:32:21and then got lost looking at each other for a minute.

1:32:24- So yes, when I walk the dogs, just one AirPod,

1:32:26because I don't feel safe wearing two,

1:32:28even with the transparency mode.

1:32:30Well, I didn't think this was something worth confessing,

1:32:33Steven.

1:32:34- Yes, what were we talking about?

1:32:36Okay, so I listened to one.

1:32:38- We're airing a grievance.

1:32:39airing an air potting a grievance air plotting a grievance, but sometimes I need to change

1:32:45what year has the air pod. Right. So if I'm going on a bike ride, I always ride with traffic.

1:32:52That's the way you're supposed to do it. Right. And traffic is incredibly dangerous. Get with

1:32:55traffic. And I traffic. But if I'm walking or running, sometimes I'm not going with traffic

1:33:02because I'm on the sidewalk, right? And depending on where I'm going, I need to be on one side

1:33:05or the other. And I want the open ear the natural ear to be towards the street. So again,

1:33:12if a car is going to hit me, I can hear it coming. Right. Right. Right. Federico, we're

1:33:15on the same page with this. Yes, yes, yes. Here's the twofold problem. One. So I'm listening,

1:33:22pull out my AirPod case, I put the AirPod in my empty ear and take the other one out,

1:33:28put it back in the case. Yes, audio will stop on my phone. Even though I did my order of

1:33:34I always had an AirPod in 100% of the time it stops the audio so then I have to

1:33:40pull my phone out of my pocket or go to now playing on my watch and restart the

1:33:42audio. Yeah no this is the right way to do it. Why? Because people that wear their

1:33:49AirPods the way they're supposed to be worn which is both if you take one out

1:33:53you want it to pause. But I'm not doing that. But then if you're doing the other but

1:34:01that like is just swapping them basically. Right but you said you put one

1:34:05right you put but you put one in so you got both in then you take one out right

1:34:09so it's treating it like it's me where I have both AirPods and I'm taking one out

1:34:14and it's pausing it. I see what you're saying. What you could do is turn that feature off and

1:34:18then it won't do that anymore. Is that an option somewhere? I should look at that.

1:34:20Ear detection. Okay I may do that because I don't know what else that might

1:34:26mess up like it might mess some other things up but you should try that I

1:34:30I think it's ear detection.

1:34:31You turn that off.

1:34:33The reason this happens is because people

1:34:35that wear AirPods like me,

1:34:37it's the old idea like you take the iPod,

1:34:40you know, do you take it out and it stops?

1:34:42Was that a thing that the iPod headphones did or no?

1:34:45- Uh.

1:34:46- Was that an iPod thing? - I don't know.

1:34:47- Did it have sensors in them?

1:34:48I don't think so.

1:34:49- Anyways, well, okay, so on the fifth gen iPod

1:34:52and later you could unplug the headphones from the iPod

1:34:55and the iPod would stop.

1:34:56Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

1:34:57- Maybe that's what I'm thinking of,

1:34:59which is a bit more aggressive of a thing

1:35:02than what I'm suggesting.

1:35:04If you threw your iPod at the wall, the music would stop.

1:35:08- Eventually, yeah.

1:35:09If you sink your iPod in a lake.

1:35:12So the other thing that I've run into,

1:35:14and I have been on the beta,

1:35:16so maybe it's fixed on the 16.4.

1:35:19- Did you file the feedback?

1:35:21- Maybe it's fixed on the 16.4 final build,

1:35:23although I doubt it is,

1:35:25is when I do this little maneuver,

1:35:27the dreaded, you've left your AirPods behind,

1:35:30notification has come back.

1:35:32So it's like, I'm walking down the street, right,

1:35:35and five minutes later it's like, oh, you left an AirPod

1:35:38three blocks behind you.

1:35:39No, I didn't, it's in my pocket.

1:35:41- That's weird.

1:35:42- Maybe that was just a bug in the beta, but.

1:35:45- Yeah, it sounds like a bug.

1:35:47- I noticed something with the left behind alerts

1:35:51the other day.

1:35:52I started downloading the beta when I was home,

1:35:57but then I needed to leave.

1:35:58And iOS was doing the preparing process.

1:36:03- Yeah.

1:36:04- It was just like the beta had been downloaded,

1:36:05but the phone was preparing for the beta to be installed.

1:36:08And so I start driving,

1:36:10and so I put my phone on the MagSafe car holder that I have.

1:36:14I'm wearing the Apple Watch, right?

1:36:16Phone turns off, starts rebooting.

1:36:19After like a minute, and I wasn't thinking about it,

1:36:23I get notification on my Apple Watch.

1:36:25like you left your phone behind. And for a second I'm like oh my god I left the phone

1:36:31in Viterbo, it's in this house. And then I literally drive in. That's pretty great. I

1:36:36look at my phone and I was like no wait the phone is there, like in front of me. It's

1:36:40rebooting. Because that's just like it's lost, it just doesn't know anymore right? It doesn't

1:36:44know where it is. It doesn't know anymore. It doesn't know anymore. Yeah according to

1:36:46it the phone just disappeared right? So I was like well I better tell him, I better

1:36:50tell somebody. Maybe that only works in the case of an update because like if it's off

1:36:55it's like still on right like it's still transmitting bluetooth information yeah

1:37:01I don't know this stuff works but because that's how the one of the find

1:37:04my thing works is like to find my still works even for devices right which is

1:37:10like that similar thing - I don't know if we mentioned it when we were talking

1:37:13earlier about the buttons that there'll be like a low power chip that powers

1:37:18those capacitive buttons that they're gonna add which is I guess somewhat

1:37:22similar to how like the phone keeps time and all that kind of stuff.

1:37:25Yeah, I could imagine if they have some really low power silicon thing that it

1:37:31adopts some of those other functions as well. You know, kind of like the, um,

1:37:35the motion code processor was used for multiple things. Now they don't,

1:37:39they don't even talk about it anymore. Really.

1:37:41It's just like, I guess it's still in there doing its thing,

1:37:43but that's Apple software story. The train never stops.

1:37:47City never sleeps. The betas just keep coming.

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1:38:29This week we are following up on a long-time story of Federico dealing with some studio

1:38:35display stuff in his setup that's coming in the Pro Show this week.

1:38:39It's been fun to follow along with that.

1:38:41You can find us all online.

1:38:44You can find Federico at maxstories.net.

1:38:47We're just days away from automation April starting.

1:38:50- Yes. - Which is really awesome.

1:38:52- Yes. - Pumped.

1:38:53- And the contest is about to start

1:38:55and there's gonna be surprise prizes.

1:38:58- Ooh. - Surprises.

1:38:59- Surprises. - Surprises, yes.

1:39:03- Surprises. - There we go, yes.

1:39:06- In auto April. - No, no, yes.

1:39:10- Autumn April? - Automation April.

1:39:13- Autumn April. - Automation.

1:39:15Aprilmation.

1:39:16You can find Federico on

1:39:23Macedon, Macedon.MacStories.net.

1:39:27He's Vitici over there.

1:39:29Mike is the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM, and he's the

1:39:33co-founder of Cortex Brand.

1:39:35Go check out what they're doing. Lots of great products over there.

1:39:37And you can find him online as iMike over at Mike.Social.

1:39:43You can find me on MacPowerUsers every Sunday here on Relay FM, and I also write over at

1:39:48512pixels.net, and you can find me on Mastodon at eWorld.social.

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1:40:03Until next week, y'all, say goodbye.

1:40:04Adios, irchí.

1:40:05Cheerio!