The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► your shopping done I think but I haven't wrapped everything yet and so that [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► always leaves me wondering like maybe I forgot something or somebody or I didn't [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► get enough for somebody or something so it's always a baseline level of stress [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► mode is very worried about not having gotten somebody something or enough [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► that's why you have a spreadsheet to track these sorts of things that would [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► be wise if I was thinking that far ahead yes I will I agree that that's the kind [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► of thing I should do I assume john has just a series of scripts to figure out [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► what to buy people now I don't do anything I was thinking maybe you would [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► have just a large number of Windows I've met that would be merry you like maybe [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► like one window that has like 50000 tabs right in it that was just like one tab [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► for every person I've ever known for each gift that you might someday maybe [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► wanna get them plus the one you did get them to the path for comparison a [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► reference accident does make a lot of money that you need burndown chart for a [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► number of gifts you have to buy other people [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► burndown chart I was meant to say there's no way market knows that it is a [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► nice who doesn't like business yeah not suffer development thing but also a [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► business thing what happens in a burned-out try to me it sounds really [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► fun and getting it isn't now it's not so you're looking for [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► think it's because they look like flames of hell like a layered bar chart but [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► you're trying to make it go down to 0 like you're trying to make all these [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► different things like how many of Acts how many or how many of the little bars [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► over time trying to do is drop them all to hear anybody and he gets the call I'm [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► in the midst of reconciling our visa bill which is making me mildly upset cuz [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► it's the holidays like during the podcast I'm almost done if you want we [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► can we can discuss watching paint dry as best they know this is hugely [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► entertaining we can we can walk through a sort algorithm on the air and just [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► like an example data set of a house or diagram sorts it out on super fun yeah I [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► use this app called money while which is what a name just check your money down [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► oh well I was like oh well at some point to leave right now it's a bucket [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► full of money but anyway so I like for transactions away from reconciling my [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► visa bill in the next to pay it [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► delightful because of the holiday season now I'm broke the fact that your holiday [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► purchases are already on a bill you've received means that you are way more [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► ahead of the game that I well we should start with this is a monumental so this [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► is a Christmas miracle to the best of my knowledge and i am not presently looking [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► at the notes cuz I'm finishing writing spelling bees that bill but to the best [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► of my knowledge still just how long it will take to you sit here and wait watch [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► this and we can't watch has not seen anything boom reconciled done how does [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► it feel to be reconciled so great except now I gotta pay is not cheap but you are [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► reconciled that that is so it's like closure for all of your money or your [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► saying goodbye to all of your money in a fully closed state that's true you could [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► say I have some reconcilable differences but you reconcile them you have [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► reconcile differences away waiting for that market in but I guess you just give [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► up that was pretty proud of that anyway what the crap we talked about earlier [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► outside do we are doing not have follow-up I should take a screenshot of [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► our show notes where there is the heading follow up there is a single [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► bullet and there is nothing else runs on vacation I think we had a couple of the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► shows were there was nothing that I can make something out of nothing but I need [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► anything to make up is everyone is off and went on to star wars and on vacation [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► and follow-up to that end can we establish that I have not seen Star Wars [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► and I presume marco hasn't either and so I do not wish to talk about it and I do [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► not assume Marco never will so that's true well actually I wanted to start [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► this episode with with a bit of a game with a three truths and a lie on those [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► things from corporate america as ice-breaker they use so so there's [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► here's here's three truths three statements of these are true and one of [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► them is allowing you to figure out which one is the understatement [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► any of our any of these things store spotless no number one I wrote my first [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► swift code not possible number two I played journey number three [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► I went to see Star Wars and number for a start using Pinterest I went to see Star [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► Wars the line because martin Dempsey things Casey I would concur with that [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► but it's hard to vote against you actually writing like there's no way you [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► for this way if you're such an old man that there's no way but I would have to [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► agree with John that that that is the line that you you you have not seen Star [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► Wars you should go with your instinct AC really useful Star Wars and I didn't I [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► said what if I went today to a movie theater to see Star Wars wow how did [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► that help whose idea was that I'm flabbergasted was actually my idea but [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► she was also planning on going anyway so it's kind of mutual did you do this just [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► so you can read the internet without worrying about spoilers or maybe tipped [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► it was worried about the policy will part of it was because I like I [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► basically has no podcasts left my podcast player that I can play without [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► being about Star Wars [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► everything that I haven't listened to this week is about Star Wars and I've [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► listened to everything else so you actually concerned about hearing stories [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► suppose that means like otherwise you'd like whatever star respond with [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► something I don't care I'm never going to say it was the greatest thing is you [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► know all of you Star Wars fans have been trying so hard to avoid spoilers to go [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► to ridiculous lanes I successfully avoided any split about the movie simply [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► by just not really caring about the movie [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► I don't put any effort into avoiding spoilers but I went into the theater [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► today knowing nothing about being pleasantly surprised by everything in it [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► yeah i i i would say I've been avoiding spoilers but I haven't been going to [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► particular links to do so it's just if i seemed like a tweet fly by the looks [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► like it might be spoiler spoiler and then I'll just skip over it and I [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► haven't been reading reviews or anything like that I'd ask friends that have seen [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► it do you like it and that's all I've asked and you've got me some hints as to [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► the quality of the movie but I've not seen it I'm hoping the air and I will be [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► able to see it maybe even tomorrow actually but but I'm still avoiding [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► spoilers and I think my time is running out because I think the Internet is [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► kinda collectively decided from what I can tell that shortly after Christmas [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► all bets are off in and everyone's going to talk about everything and that's [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that's part of why I went to see it because I'm fine ignoring major cultural [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► events I've never seen any of Lord of the Rings never seen Harry Potter never [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► seen Twilight anything like it looks like the big movie franchises have [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► either never seen or seen some along time ago and never again let me help you [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings big waste of time [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► Harry Potter's pretty good reverse that please e-mail John anyway so but this [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► one this one felt very very important to my circles like more so than those other [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► ones did and also I i have seen movies I I did enjoy them you know I am A Star [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► Wars fandom is not like a massive star wars Star Wars fan in general so I did [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► want to see it at some point I was planning on watching it when it came out [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► the video maybe or something I get on Netflix when I figure like it is going [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► to be talked about so much [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► and it's so important you know in in the in the circles that I know I live in [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that I figured I kinda had to go see it in the theater I should have gone the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► plain states in retrospect the links you would go to to prevent yourself from [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► writing any swift that should have been the opposite I mean you have gone [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► through some serious mental gymnastics in order to get to the point that you [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► can justify not writing swift I didn't say I'm never ready for the time saying [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► no transcript yet but I do intend to learn it probably when 3.0 comes out [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► next year because they're doing a bunch of big changes to lead up to that well [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► you could just change your mind about it recently like in the past like oh I did [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► you know that Pakistan was like I'm not gonna lie within the open source thing [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► came out and turned around so you're trying to do so but the real tell us [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► that the fact that we're talking about star wars and that prompted you to do [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► the crystal I think so I mean I already had the list I mean I knew you played [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► journey and other ones are easy so I was just down to the swept in the Star Wars [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► it just seems so crazy viewed actually the house and go to a movie theater to [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► Pinterest thing didn't you didn't have any possible to Pinterest thing I know I [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► know you to purchase and you know how do you know everybody here puppies [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► that's right she did yes I I joined a bit I started to Pinterest account so I [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► could collect pictures of puppies watches and things I want to buy for the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► house like pipe heating rap and the Icicle melting zigzag wired you put on [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the roof exciting stuff if you find good good pipe wrap whatever you wanna call [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► it tell me because I have stuff around my business stuff you put around the [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► pipes to keep the heat from Chris leaking out into the areas where the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► pipes goes right [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► know it's it's too late to print them from freezing if you have a pipe in an [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► uncertain space so it's like we have on the garage from forever ago its ancient [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► you know two conductor cable too just like a heat wire that wraps in a coil [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► around a pipe that runs through our garage is insulated said I could freeze [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► that it has burned out and no longer heats so I'm looking at new solution to [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► that and they're all basically scaring me into either not doing it or having [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► electrician do it because in all basically says that these things are [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► insanely dangerous and you will start fires and they all require insulation [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► around the pipe and everything and yes I'm probably gonna actually outsources [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► job but we will see [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► living in the northeast is the best because you have to worry about BS like [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► this winter [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► not right but what you have really is is months of depressing evil terrible [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► winter light season whereas I have this brief rest bit from from wonderful [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► weather with slightly less wonderful weather and then it's back to wonderful [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► weather again so you can you continue being smug up there and your when your [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► tundra and how that works out it was wonderful there we went there in July I [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► was I was really wonderful whether you had there was one such it was very hard [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► when you get here even for us it was extremely hot also order to test this [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► week that's the big week for you I killed the web fun on your website which [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► by the way I don't really agree with I think that whatever font you have going [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► on now [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► not making me happy no i i don't think I found a solution that I am experimenting [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► with Google web font and might lead to a different web font because the the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► service I was using the the heifer and Co [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► their ideals and found them in a few benchmarks done by people have shown [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► that typically their web surfing is not as fast as type kid or some of the other [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► big web services and not as fast as as self hosting and stuff and they don't [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► allow cell hosting they become a weird thing where they you have to go through [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► their CDN but then it redirects to the font files on your server with no cache [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► headers so that your meeting with clients make two requests one of them is [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► going back to your slow server and not to their CDN to actually get the big [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► files you know the big like 300 kilobytes where the files and no reason [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► they're really good I really like this one fight they have a very nice funds [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► over there but I'm going to look at other options now because they just it [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► was just too slowly if you look at the time with the network timeline in the [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► women's better time to taking during this page it's just insane and you could [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► argue and I've heard many counter arguments for why i shouldn't worry [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► about the speed of my website loading most of it down to either that I should [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► like a secluded and then either pop it in or save it for the next load and put [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► it on the next load both of those I think so because they are good options [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► just for you know user experience was like why why would I want to do either [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► of this you know the other answer was why do you care it's just a blog it [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► doesn't matter how quickly it looks and that's BS because not only does it [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► matter quite a bit how quickly pages load to whether people complete the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► loads but we're talking about loading a 300 kilobyte resource that requires two [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► requests to be made before the patient even begin to look this is like in the [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► head on mobile and when you have bad connections and everything that does [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► matter that really does add up to a significant delay we're loading a page [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► when you better big image because I can load after the pictures when you're on a [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► mobile connection that really matters and it turns out that my traffic like [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► everyone's traffic is mostly mobile these days and you have to think about [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that when you're a blogger or any kind of content site especially a tech [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► content site read by tech people you're gonna see a large portion of traffic on [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► mobile many of those people will be on cellular at the time they're loading it [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► yes it would be nice if I didn't have you know [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► refunds on my site but also be nice if my page loads very quickly so I think I [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► have to balance those things I think maybe doing typed it might be a little [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► bit better because it's just a faster web host may be doing self hosting would [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► be a little bit faster because then you know it could become the connections [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► little bit better than going off to a different host so we'll see I'm gonna [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► believe what led you to do all this because no disrespect intended it seemed [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► to me that you've kind of another abandoned but avoided writing posts for [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► a while now I mean you'll you'll read your post to this show to under the [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► radar but I haven't seen a whole lot of real writing from you in a while outside [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► of you know when you had headphones or podcast Mike so what have you so what [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► what inspired you to just start paying attention again I was inspired by being [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► forced by Dropbox right right right basically I use a Dropbox BlogEngine [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► never hurt nobody else could you please don't use it it it's it's terrible but I [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► like it's good for me and the they they ended support for the version that was [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► probably ancient the the Linux class [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► that I was using for Dropbox on my ancient server running its ancient [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► distribution of CentOS I think 5.5 or something so it was running an old stack [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► an old version of their thing and I couldn't update it without upgrading [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► some pretty big things like lives see and hear what he was basically saying on [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► the internet never agree Lipsy on a Linux system if you can help it it's [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► kind of a problem so I migrated to my whole blog to a new server also I I love [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► Linux [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► every Linux is basically like yeah rock-solid runs forever it's great but [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► you want to upgrade it forget it please don't do this you really shouldn't do [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► this you should never have great a Linux server but you know like never ever the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► distribution that they all say that like don't do that the solution to upgrading [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► a Linux server is to abandon it and make a new one so that is what I did it so I [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► was already like in their mucking around with the guts of it and setting up [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► everything new and clean so I figured while I'm here let me also take this [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► opportunity to modernize its so so I switched over to https and everything is [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► now a CBS I dropped the WWW prefix you know all this fun stuff to modernize the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► side so part of that was let me I'm thinking about dropping a while it was [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► actually about to get bills annually and it was about to bill me again hundred [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► and sixty bucks only know maybe this is a good time to reconsider whether I want [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► to keep using those funds let me try without it all that being said you are [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► right I have barely written anything on the site of any consequence in a long [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► time in months really and you know part of that was the last time I wrote stuff [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► about at pricing it went very very badly and support of that was just need to [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► rethink what audience I want to be writing to who's reading this do they [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► really care do i do I want to be taking the risk of some of the things that I [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► want to say to risk getting all the feedback from it and and being a man [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► named right over the internet and horrible ways [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► and starting about the drama and most of time just not worth it to me honestly [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► anymore it's just not worth it I do want to keep writing but I'm I'm kind of [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► going through a process where I want to try to figure out what I want to keep [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► writing on the site because having the kind of potentially controversial tech [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► topic discussions I think are better here where it's more human and people [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► know me better and and you guys are here to rebut and to provide your own answers [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► to things that I'm just not going off the deep end going crazy and getting all [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► the trash I said something horrible without any kind of a bottle and the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► developer help things I I would rather do that on under the radar [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► the other podcast they do with an affidavit Smith anything doesn't fit [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► there anything that is kind of helpful to developer economics i think im just [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► not gonna reveal any more because it has proven not to be worth it and then I [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► have a lot to talk about I can blog about headphones and coffee and [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► microphone justify that I can I can talk about lots of other things without being [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► at that controversial or at least controversial in those ways that I've [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► been kinda burned by so I feel a figure out over time I i I have noticed that [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► not writing anything of substance in awhile is not making me feel good and is [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► it actually making me a worse podcaster because as you can tell by this long [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► rambling thing I kinda not only do I have liked more to say that like builds [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► up in me all week and I like spewed I don't want a podcast and that's not good [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► but also made my argument on the podcast are getting less coherent and less [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► organized I i think that is because parsing 11 sick for like three weeks and [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► partially because I think not writing is actually making three arguments in my [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► more weakly structured or more weakly organized it that makes sense that's [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► right and don't publish it that's one way to do it or like a private email [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► list or something like that that might be a good idea I'm not sure if it would [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► be as good if you if you only surround yourself with people that agree with you [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► more that want to to read it or if you're a poor writing for something that [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► is such a small audience possibly have just you then I think you you lose the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► ability for people to improve you in in constructive ways and I think that would [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► be unfortunate and when it would not give the writing as much value to me as [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► as it would for you know those in public [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► gonna give you a constructive improvement but I just realized my just [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► because I'm just check reload I didn't see the name of the CSS if you really [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► think it's now just chrome nevermind [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► gonna complain that the new fund your chosen apparently didn't have a good [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► emoji [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► for the cloud icon the EU's next the streaming heading in the overcast to [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► post but it's it's a black lab looks like a little tired but it's just [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► nevermind carry on I don't understand why everyone loves cum so damn much [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► close to sealing successfully so they've got that going for ya well see I turned [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► off her name but she may have found somebody had found a way to do a [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► defaults write for Tweetbot which I know is not use John but to do it defaults [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► write to just direct to the actual URL instead of a Chico linked quarter were [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► calling them and then that that made everything a million percent better and [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► all of the issues that so many people seem to have a safari I genuinely like [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► never run into them but you haven't got the one the new one in capitan where the [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the entirety of the window chrome becomes inert like you can't put the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► insertion point the address bar you can't click the window with just you [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► can't look in the toolbar buttons you can't use the scroll bar got that one [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► twice a week now no but remember that I have a scene amount of taps open I don't [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► have 3,000 windows and 4,500 taps to browser windows open then [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► and one of them is dead again I'm sure that these people who say that so far is [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► a piece of crap I'm sure they're saying that for a reason but darned if I know [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► why because my experience does not match with that I just I don't think that [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► chrome is bad outside of the piss-poor [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► just awful emoji support I don't think from is bad I don't I don't feel like it [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► brings anything to the table that I care about and again I'm sure that you know [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► they're all sorts of chrome like die hard chrome plans that are firing up [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► email clients right now they're not the reason gmail is exactly probably using [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► Gmail to rate me some sort of nasty gram but the things that chrome did better [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► than than Safari and maybe that's true I'm not saying that they're wrong but in [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► my personal experience I have never thought to myself you know what I really [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► wish I could use Chrome for this because it does whatever better though I still [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► run both are you so far as my primary I used to use from Nice to like use one at [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► work one home so I got it would be up to them and now you are now for a while the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► primary chrome is my is my flash isolation area but anyway but chrome is [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► it has always been very consistent for me with performance with reliability [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► everything safari is all over the map with every new version so you know [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► sometimes so far is great for a while sometimes Safari gets slower buggy or [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► inconsistent or crashes or something for a few releases and in my experience [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► chrome is just way more consistent also I think from has the better web dev [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► tools most of the time so we'll see anyway we will hear from all the current [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► people and what they think because I believe has more market-driven safari in [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► pretty much every bite by anyone's metric and pretty sure it's it's [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► substantially had a safari now so that the world has voted just like they used [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► to vote for Compaq Dell computers that those are the best side so not speaking [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► of things that are awesome why don't you make us happier after mentioning compaq [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► in Delhi and tell us about something that is awesome [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► there's a company out there that I have just talked about for the first part the [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► part that's quite a bit and it's called line owed or Linode I don't even know so [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► it's Linux cleanness Leinart I don't know but I say line [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► node it's a webhost it's been around for a long time now and I have been honored [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► customer myself for quite a long time I think he like six or eight years at [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► least I've been there awhile I have done a lot of web hosts in in my time I've [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► used a lot of them big and small from from you know as tough as big as hosting [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► the first four years of tumblr at a at a huge host all the way down to hosting [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► little private sites for myself and my friends everything over the years I've [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► light line owed so much and they've gotten so good that I now hosts [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► everything that line and I think I have one dedicated server left somewhere else [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► for some artillery attacks only because I haven't gotten around to it yet it is [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► such a great host and I you know they can't pay me to say this I'm saying this [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► honestly as me I was hoping to get them as a sponsor because I've used them [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► forever and I really do genuinely liked them and recommend them in my opinion it [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► is the best value in web hosting today [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► major upgrade but two years ago now are year ago when they put everything testes [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► so it's all fastball St modern CPUs more recently they switched their hypervisor [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► software from Zen to KVM the latest units benchmarks show that it is 300% [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► performance increase between 22 KVM from then so I've done it all mine has been [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► fine rock-solid everything's great you want to host things that why not believe [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► me like it if you want real web hosting you want access to your own service you [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► can configure however you want and you can you can install your own software on [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► your own stuff you want to do that line it really is an incredible value for [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► what you get it is very affordable to the hardware and saw and speed and [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► bandwidth is solid check it out I use it I recommended line 0 dot com slash ATP [TS]

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00:24:13 ◼   ► you very much to line up for sponsoring our show we have some news in the Apple [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► executive lineup John D on account of give us a synopsis as to what's going on [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► there was so long ago I can barely remember [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that was like right after recording this week's podcast like 11 news they're [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► gonna dump at the end of the year the news was a fairly tame a reorg where [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► sheler got control of the App Store stuff the absence of that used to be [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► under attack you and if you still has like the whole media thing and music and [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► all that stuff I think and they named what's-his-name Jeff Williams COO but he [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► was already doing that and not a lot of exciting things they're but the thing [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► that developers got excited about is the moving of any apps to responsibilities [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► from one person to another and I guess people are getting hopeful just because [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► hey it's a change and things are bad now the change has the potential to be good [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► but those shelter has been in charge of a preview of Marco can correct me if I'm [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► wrong for a while now right it's not just that's not new I believe since the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► start he's just getting the rest of the App Store and so a preview is one of the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► things that developers complain about a lot and Phil show her always had that so [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► he's not exactly you're sort of savior of the App Store if you're if you have [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► been disgruntled about a preview stuff that's the shelter and now he's got the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► rest of the hope is I guess that those shows organization like will improve the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► tech parts of it better like make iTunes Connect nice area and let developers use [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► test flight and fix the Mac App Store sandboxing people so people can actually [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► test their absence and box like that's the hope that any cues seem to not be [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► able to roll out be the features like the software and server-based features [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► for developers as quickly as developers wanted and it somehow Phil show would do [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► better I have no idea if that is the case but I have to admit I'm also [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► slightly optimistic just because things have been kind of not grade limping [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► along for a long time and I like to see some kind of shake up even if it's like [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► the world's most minor shake-up so yeah I mean just to fill out what you said [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► basically the the developer ecosystem of Apple has always been under these three [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► different divisions in the company there the engineering division undercut the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► turkey [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► they may call the API's new OS isn't everything and then there's the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► developer relations division which is under Phil Schiller division under [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► marketing and that that does the BBC that the you know the developer program [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► and then and also a preview and the app review policies and then there's the [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► store division and the editorial part of it that has been under attack you in the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► Services Division and that aside like what happened to be featured and how the [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► store works and and running the store back and everything I would imagine also [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► involved the store apps themselves so that it to hell is under three different [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► divisions you could you could always tell the pastor there has been some kind [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► of like miscommunication or fortune in the past so for example you would have [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► an app that was featured by the App Store editorial team under a DQ because [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► it was doing some new cool thing and then the app review team would call up [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and say sorry we're not gonna allows you to take this app down while it's being [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► featured by the department in in the store and so you have these kind of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► weird miscommunications or disagreement between the divisions that have caused [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► some friction or sumn sumn you know clumsiness and passed the engineering [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► site is still under factory still totally separate obviously that makes [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► that makes sense but the developer relations and the App Store is now [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► together under Phil and interestingly as as a friend Ben Thompson pointed out on [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► trajectory think this was one of the Private Members Only things but if not [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► linked to it a lot of people are paying attention to the fact that actually that [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► Phil Schiller has actually lost a big chunk of his responsibilities in this is [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► well what corporate people called marcom marketing communications which I think [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► that's that's like advertising stuff right beats me I know nothing about that [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► stuff anyway that used to be under Phil and now they announced the new hire [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► whose name I forgot I'm sorry the new hire is now taking over marketing [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► communications from Phil and reporting directly to Tim Cook so this this stuff [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► has been removed from Phils played peers and then phil has gained the app stores [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► and at logically I don't know how this works [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► you know internally that there's obviously a lot of [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► implementation details here that we don't know like the big 12 me is how do [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► you separate the app stores from the back end that they run on which is all [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► presumably still under eight accused of it there's some weirdness there I would [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► imagine but high level it it certainly appears that phil has lost his [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► responsibilities of running the like advertising part of it and Dean the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► responsibility of running the app stores whatever that includes because he [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► already ran developer relations and a preview that makes some sense so John [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► I'm with you in that I am optimistic about this I don't think we're going to [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► see meaningful change the App Store Policies any kind of rule that you can't [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► do now and you kind of controversy over a preview I wouldn't even expect [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► improvements to a preview on the Mac App Store having this occasionally very long [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► review times I hope they fix that that's that's just messed up that's been it's [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► embarrassing and that's obviously not the way it's supposed to work to have [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► your absentee review for a month but you know when it is working like an iOS when [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► you typically get in 07 write a review time I don't think we're gonna see any [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► major changes to that system the system of a preview as we know it today that is [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► here to stay for a long time because the person who is at the very top of the [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► organization just took control the entire App Store [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► obviously they're not looking to change that but the things that I think that [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► I'm optimistic about here are the first of all a great read on Phil but the more [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► that I that I know of him or the more that I hear him talk about hear stories [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► about him the more I think I think I I like him like I think he has [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► sensibilities that one up with mine more so than most of the other high up Apple [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► executives and and more so that are in the interest of the old apple and I come [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► to some good and some bad that's why a preview of things going anywhere because [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► that you know it's like the old school Apple but overall this is a good thing [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► if for nothing else because as you said John it is a sign of of a of a pretty [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► big cheese and if you look at like things that stagnant or have problems in [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► Apple many of them I would say possibly even most of them fall under the service [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► division that is clearly a place where they have had a lot of problems in the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► past and I i we keep hearing they're doing that they're getting better [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► some of things are doing are better like the new cloud kids stuff the new photo [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► sync some of that stuff is really good and so I think they are getting better [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► and we're hearing stories about them like running Linux servers now and and [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► doing this apache besos thing and and now we're probably works with Linux is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► going and we're seeing lots of lots of like rumblings that the department is [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► getting better and some evidence that is coming out to the consumers but even if [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► they start doing really well they also seem dramatically overloaded and and [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► they seem like they have a lot of trouble making progress on multiple [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► fronts the App Store has basically done nothing like it in the App Store has [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► gone almost nowhere has improved very little has changed very little since its [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► inception in 2008 [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► you know it if you look at the absurd today for the ouster in 2008 it really [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► is not that different [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► yes some things are better but not what not what you'd expect for was a seven [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► years seven and a half years if not what you'd expect for them in time so to move [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► a big chunk of of this division out of it under new leadership in a different [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► vision of the company to have that bTW absurd the thing that that control so [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► much of my living many people living in the modern computing landscape so much [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► as a dependent on the App Store and the way its run its policies to move that to [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► her executive is a big change I think you know it seems like it would be a big [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► change I don't think there's like some paper thing so I I hope that this is a [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► sign that they are finally going to change the after they're finally going [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► to improve it to start making meaningful changes and again I don't think it's [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► gonna be in regards to a preview I think we're stuck with that for a long time [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► but it could be in regards to many things that could use improvement things [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► like you know if you want upgrade pricing or trials that's the kind of [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► place you know this is the kind of change that would happen if you want [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► improvements to the max [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► App Store or better how I mean if you look at the health of the App Store's [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► pretty much all the mix up the iPhone 18 help like they're not in great shape the [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► iPhone one is doing ok so beautiful to massive volume but it could still use [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► some improvement all of that now is kind of we have we have a renewed hope the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► App Store might finally get better because they use did this seemingly [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► substantial sounding move I have high hopes for that especially to be under [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► Phil he cares a lot about the Mac about the product quality and they wouldn't [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► have moved this for no reason there is nothing pressuring them to move it there [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► was no like there is no reason they had to do this so they clearly want to do [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► this and it has to have been this this move has to happen for a good reason [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► there is some kind of pressure because when I it's hard so it's hard to tell [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► why things are happening inside applicants obviously the press release [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► isn't gonna tell you and I can do is look at the experience I've had in a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► company that I work for when they have shuttle people around and the only real [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► underlying thing other than stuff you don't know about the information you [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► don't have like roanoke like maybe someone you know is going to retire soon [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► or you know maybe someone has expressed an interest in doing something different [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► right but usually if some top executive like the CEO whatever is not getting [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► something they want out of some subdivision of the company they've let [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► that slide for a while but eventually it's like I've been I wanted acts for [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► two years now and this person hasn't delivered it it's time to give another [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► person who can sometimes there's the you know give the really hard job to this [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► one executive who's great for you know doing tackling tough problems and that [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► person bounces around like the problem solver the fixer the do you know like [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the call so horrendous acts Casey out some of your reference you don't get it [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► is definitely affects their anyway it could be that but I get away it's like [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► someone is not getting what they want out of insert and it could be a summer [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► not getting what they want added marcom and that's why a new guys to come in to [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► take it is someone not getting what they want the app so we don't know because it [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► could be say it's a the marking something stag [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► you know Apple's marketing messages in evolving and for a while we wanted to [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► change until doesn't seem capable to get out of the rut so what we're gonna do is [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► we're going to bring in someone new [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► they're gonna take over the marketing communication but since no such an [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► important person you can't take away that from him without giving them [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► something else and I need a lot of salsa given over to him alright that's one [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► plausible scenario another one is the one the world languages like ed four [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► years we wanted access of you know this outdoor stuff has been happening so [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► we're gonna take that away from you and give it to somebody who is more we think [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► is going to do a better job I don't know the person is gonna do a better job of [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► that be like there's just so much we don't know but the bottom line is these [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► things don't happen without a substantial reason because top [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► executives hate having responsibility taken away from them it's not a demotion [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► but it's seen as like you know so don't show her is not really you know he got a [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► bunch of response was taken away but he took the mantle something else I feel [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► like this is you know in the political org chart of Apple's little bit of a [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► downer and EQ and a little bit of an upper sideways heroin phyllis was the [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► way it feels to me from the outside and when I think about is you know there is [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► corrected a little bit little bit down aromatic you what what is it that top [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► executives might have wanted that they weren't getting out of it and that's [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► makes me think of the success Heights problem things we're in the beginning [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► but he had the iTunes Store and the App Store and everything was going [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► gangbusters hey the App Store is super popular everybody loves apps they're [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► installing stuff in like every year every quarter he you know at every [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► meeting and he could be a look at these crazy numbers look how many apps we have [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► look how many people had ellen's up look how many developers are signed up like [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► every metric that he could possibly every charge to put up every number [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► Heathrow on someone's face was like I'm in charge of the App Store in the App [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► Store is awesome but as you point out Marco at a certain point like those [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► numbers that the day level off it's like yeah yeah we heard lots about someone [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► ever bought this hearing about you know developers don't like this or it's hard [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► to search in the store or just been but this company to redo the store but it [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► kinda looks the same and people don't think it's that much better and just [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► just from regulated like you don't have to be plugged into this community just [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► Tim Cook to go to the App Store his own phone to try to find something and [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► notice that their problems and bring that up two years ago they did you in a [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► bit like oh you know we'll take care of that no work on this organized into [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► seven points like it doesn't you know again things that things that someone [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► who's not plugged into the Daubert you can adjust Tim Cook on his own phone [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► keep using the app store your bike you know doesn't seem like regardless of [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► whether I think this is good or not your number the greater reliability is great [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► you make a lot of money or whatever it just doesn't seem like it has gotten [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► that much better over the past several years so maybe it's time for a change [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► now this could all be delusions based on our perspective as outsiders and people [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► who know a lot of developers it could be something entirely unrelated but to me [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► that's a plausible scenario that that that that he was Coast thing but that [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► like when when you're on the fun part of the hockey stick it can hide a lot of [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► stuff in a certain point lol off or that stuff becomes old hat and you need like [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► what have you done for me lately you know what what have you done to the App [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► Store lately cuz the complaints are there and the feedback is there and you [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► know people leaving the Mac App Store and longer view times I don't have the [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► time involved that into you know like features and iTunes Connect and just it [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► just seems like at this point no matter how distant be removed from the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► developer community can do it market just said and say look at what the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► upstart was like five years ago and look at what it's like now and think is that [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► five years with the progress in the App Store and you just have to say no and so [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► that's why that feels like the strongest reason why there might be a shake-up [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► related to the App Store regardless of what you think it was just that it's [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► just not progressing in advancing the way you would hope it would also like [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► you know i i think as as I mentioned last episode I think you can look at [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► their their recent product launches the watch the Apple TV and the iPad pro in [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► all three of those cases you can very clearly point to the at ecosystem and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► the app stores themselves as holding these products back significantly the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► the TV app store is frankly embarrassing [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► there's so little in it it is so hard to use it is so hard to find anything [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► there's no like there's no like Public Links for TV apps you can't if you hear [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► about like like that land to came out this past week or something I want to [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► get it on my TV or these find out if it was available on Apple TV I could not [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► find information out anywhere except going over walking over the TV and [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► typing poorly planned to into that horrible text entry field and finding [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► nothing and I wasn't sure like is just bad right now or is it really not here [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► and it turns out of the TV I hadn't been out for the TV I would have no computer [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► or my phone or any other device to have clicked by this inhabitable my TV there [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► there are simple things like this where the stores were not helping [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► it's it's really hinder things not to mention the way bigger challenge of like [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► developer economics and and making it worth developing for these platforms [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► which is a whole separate discussion but is related to this who's in charge of [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► that site who agree I just to give you an example upgrade pricing like [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► developers and wanted to go to prison for a long time [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► who of all the people [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► top execs me know and Apple are the people saying no to upgrade pricing and [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► are they still in charge of that decision [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► well I think it was kind of a combo mean that kind of thing before would have [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► been like 80 if you look at the app review rules there are many interviewed [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► rules related to pricing and what you what you're allowed to do with your [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► pricing and what you're not what has to be free what has to do not break or not [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► have limits on her ever so a lot of that isn't a preview but that any anything [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► related to things like a great president would have had to be implemented by any [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► Q's division so that kind of thing [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► spanned both divisions and I think that's one of the reasons why you seen [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► so little change it [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► of that type because it wouldn't it would have involved these two divisions [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► working together which was probably problematic or at least of these [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► burdensome be implemented bundles which is like seems like so much more [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► complicated the upgrade price I mean they did then that purchase and they did [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► bundles to features that are fair [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► complicated so it seems like when whoever is the head of the snake want to [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► change to the economics we want to make bundles possible we want them to make [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► in-app purchase possible that's going to involve your team ready cuz you gotta [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► handle the bundle and the pricing whenever an in-app purchase gonna be [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► like a backend that we're going to talk to whatever but it just seemed to me [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► that those efforts weren't coming from any cute and I'm just wondering who you [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► know I upgrade pricing and it happened in terms of the economic issues somebody [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► is setting the policy if you like or dislike Apple still if somebody high [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► enough up said you know what we're going to do operate price it would happen like [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► regardless of who's in charge of implementing it made you a peek ready [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► and maybe like the interface for an iTunes Connect would be bad baby buggy [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► to begin with it may be difficult for developers to test all the things you [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► can blame on any cure whatever but like I just always wonder where the decision [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► is made like to have a meeting where they should be revisited upgrade price [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► does it never come up like today decide once back when Steve Jobs is still alive [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► that upgrade pricing is good for developers of bed for users in this [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► endeavor revisit that decision despite you know but how the iPad pro may change [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► that equation or whatever you have to also look at how important is this thing [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► is very important to us how important is this relative to the division it's in [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► the company it's in you know and and so relative to all Apple as a whole I don't [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► know how important they consider things like the App Store and developer [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► happiness with the App Store everything else I don't know senator sherry faxes [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► like why aren't more people buying iPad pros why are people leaving the Mac App [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► Store why are all these awesome apps that we know it's possible to build [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► appearing on the iPad prob wise Adobe not making a full version of Photoshop [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► for the upper leg all sorts of questions about why aren't people taking advantage [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► or + 21 is that we haven't sold any hardware but it's kind of a chicken egg [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► situation other answers what is it about specialist advice should I pro like what [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► is it about our platforms that you know we all know the answers that lends [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► itself to applications and a bunch of people right and support what they can [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► still make money and then abandoned like there is no sort of ten-year twenty-year [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► application because you can't get any more revenue from them unless it's like [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► it and in-app purchase type of thing where you're constantly you know people [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► currency or whatever you know like other than those model like why why is there [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► no model for sort of professional applications that people buy on a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► regular basis I guess they do subscriptions but then you know we all [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► know what the the the App Store policies are there that didn't make it difficult [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► to have a sustainable high-end software package that continually its upgraded on [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► Apple's iOS platform that is because all the tools people are used to either [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► don't exist or have a 30 percent taxes just mostly untenable like Adobe loves [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► their subscription revenue aw would love subscription revenue a lot less [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► available to 30% and I mean there have been so mean I there have been so many [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► unimplemented or lost or cancelled ideas and services and products because i [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► three percent I mean that is not a small number that that is a number that that [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► makes or breaks people's business models and a lot of cases going back to ABQ for [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► his division like if you look at what else that division had to do you know [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► while the actor was under them that's all of iCloud that's all of Siri that is [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► all of these stores at other stores in music stores that Apple music streaming [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► television planet still hasn't happened right and it's and it's it's all the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► content deals its negotiating and dealing with his content companies also [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► and Apple has not done well in that area recently and and I don't know if this is [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► just you know you doing his job badly I probably not as far more complicated [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► than that now it's not like people have apples number now they have the first [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► home is easy like it like it and people learn that lesson from iTunes and was [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► like no intention of giving our business Amazon to check your power Apple so now [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► it's it's much harder to go because you know Apple doesn't want to come out with [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► a plan as far as I know nobody has a plan that is a convincing replacement [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► for quarter for real television at this point Apple wants to be the first so [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► they're gonna have to be the ones to explain to the big networks and [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► everybody just trust us this this fungus empower you and you won't lose your [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► shirt on this deal but you have to bring the price down because no one's going to [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► buy it if it costs as much as cable but isn't as good as cable which it won't [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► because they're stupid Apple TV box isn't that good [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► and it's like this thing we're like the same last week about how Apple doesn't [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► really seem to know how to be in a negotiating position of not just [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► absolute power I think that you know I was less because talking about [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► developers but this week you know i think is very equally to the content [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► problems [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► content deals only one willing to say here that in this negotiation between [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► Apple and television networks I'm willing to put money that the television [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► people are being more reasonable than Apple like they've been every time like [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► les Moonves makes it a public statement I feel like I don't envy an enviable [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► trying to negotiate with these guys because I think that they don't get it [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► Apple is trying to explain to them so I really like it's hard to fault Apple [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► these things maybe they are being a little bit stubborn but but she's there [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► they're trying to pull in industries head out of the sand and it's it's slow [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► going and that's fair but that industry i think is still doing really well [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► without Apple and the dynamic is different one of the reasons Apple was [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► able to have so much power in music and get some great deals for music is [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► because the music industry was was kind of naive and also pretty desperate and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► in this case today that's not the case anymore especially with with TV industry [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► like the TV industry still doing very well and still making tons of money [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► a palatable should have Netflix but wasn't like a Netflix got their first [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► right so and then now everyone it's it's it's a bigger mess like your music music [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► was more desperate music with smaller and more tractable and nobody knew what [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► was going to happen and apple just steamrolled everybody and everyone saw [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► what happened to everybody who who basically lost power nap on that was [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► like no we're not doing that against every other industry from e-books [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► television to movies everything was like comes calling [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► look at the music industry as a cautionary tale and negotiate [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► differently and find another way [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► we're going to make your own streaming apps and we're gonna make deals with [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► Netflix and you know who knows what we're gonna do but it's more complicated [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► world like it and I do wonder like I don't know anything about it and I see [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► the guys they talk a big fan of button his shirt yeah but I was wondering like [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► what his core skills that is like he's not an engineer at a tax programmer [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► anything we've always heard that he that he is like the negotiator said that he [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► he is really good at these content deals apparently or I also have also heard [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► that he has a reputation of like being the fixer getting things done but I [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► honestly I don't see it not an iTunes Connect know well as is the least [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► developed problems I mean I think all things associated with like test flight [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► integration and you know the process visibility into the app review process [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► and the ability to contact the Human about your thing and yeah yeah but like [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► yeah I mean the problems of the App Store go way beyond like the iTunes [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► Connect a web interface or so far beyond that and then that's good enough for [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► what it does you know it's not great but it's fine it's like it's like the admin [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► panel that ever that we all make for our websites like no one's admin panel is [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► nice [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► iTunes Connect is not nice but I don't need Phil Schiller to fix iTunes Connect [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► you know we we need to fix a lot bigger problem than that [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► NEQ got a bachelor's in computer science and economics from deep yeah I don't [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► like I don't know I can get a read it was obviously at this level of doing [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► anything you're telling people who are telling people are telling people to do [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► things with just like its management just I'm trying to think like things [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that you do things that were put in a DQ this substantial improvements or they've [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► gotten better or that you know like he's got a lot of sort of stars on as you [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► know whatever you call them right [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► like iTunes and the stores and the App Store especially in the initial part of [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► lots of big important good numbers he put up there have been a lot of big [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► bonuses and all of those years and you know everything looked good [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► but I just lately not that it doesn't look good anymore still looks good but [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► said it's like what have you done for me lately what what improvements you made [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► to the system uses a system people gonna put out they can put them on stories we [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► have multiple stores we have other things like but it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► like it's progressing like we've all been hearing the exact same complaints [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► from the developer side of it for so many years and so I said that aside [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► because a lot of people who cares but developers I don't care by developers [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► Apple should I care about users you know uses you come back above developers I [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► think that's right users do come about developer censured because there are [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► many many more of them but it's it's related because like I was using you [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► won't be like I don't care what developers think about pressure on the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► App Store and at the same time you had perot why isn't there more software [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► update it for it [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► wisest thing that I downloaded the throw afternoons ever gonna support that [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► doesn't work but but like I'm saying set that aside for a second just totally [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► believe in an important to set it aside I really do feel that from the user's [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► perspective the App Store as experienced by the user just talked about a mark on [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► the App Store as experienced by users of Apple TV or you know just as a user [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► going to the App Store finding stuff feeling feeling good and comment about [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► the things that you find there I i think that is has not progressed and the sort [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► of cess pit stop it [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► have gotten deeper and more dangerous the suspects of free-to-play you know [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► all those mechanics and taking money from people and the cesspit of at this [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► point sort of single use unsupported applications that are clogging up your [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► search results and make it much harder to find the one or two good at some [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► things like they always brag about how many apps they have once that number got [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► like six or seven digits it stops being a plus or minus I don't want ten million [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► applications I don't want one million applications even 200,000 applications [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► like seriously you know those all can't be winners [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► there's a lot of so should reject more things from the store whatever but like [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► at a certain point the number of applications you have becomes a problem [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► to solve nothing to brag about their problems are solved is you know Amazon [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► has probably millions of products that I find it easier to find decent things on [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► Amazon you know because they review system is better than Apple's because [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► they're people like this like that as a little bit better you know like all the [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► parts that have to do with dealing with lots of products and presenting it to [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► users that part of the experience of being a user of Apple products has you [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► know again because we think it just hasn't gotten a much better in years and [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► years and years and so that that is an area I feel like no matter what you [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► think about you have to say we are not progressing fast enough I turn off [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► competitors are nipping at their heels or whatever but if you can make that [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► experience better as the show but the answer to begin with you can make that [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► experience better that can do really big things for your bottom line and your [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► customers that interview developer satisfaction [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► letting developers be able to respond to reviews or contact people anonymously r [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► like it just does it that's low hanging fruit is not even that big a deal and [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► yeah well that's you know we can't do that just came out it's been years like [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► one give you one of those a year for five years and it would make a much [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► bigger and I know they did things that is mentioned the bundles and in-app [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► purchases arguably are an important thing in subscriptions and opening the [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► stuff that used to be used and only up like they have done some things but it [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► just it just feels like stagnation and i dont i dont feel good doing it after [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► these days I know exactly where I'm going and if I can't get a direct link [TS]

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00:54:55 ◼   ► week 60 minutes and Charlie Rose did a not really an interview but a feature on [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► Apple and they were afforded a little bit more access than most TV crews are [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► afforded have you guys seen this no of course not I did but about football [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► pushed it off the end of my TV episode was arrested on on CBS is there whatever [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► never good as their terrible website to maybe watch market but I didn't see what [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► I can do that I can go to their tireless if you stupid football pushes the show [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► out and your TV doesn't correctly just because stupid football ran long not [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► enough time for TiVo to get updated guide information then you can watch as [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► much as you can you TiVo and then I just always assume I can go to the website of [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► the television show on my stress it and then behold I could as long as I was [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► willing to watch like seventeen of the same commercial before I could move the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► little play head up to the point where I left off so anything about football [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► can take the speed I'm not gonna take this page is not based on their TV [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► schedule isn't their TV schedule I feel like a football runs long it should [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► switch to the football football overflow channel anyway I'm still so the feature [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► I it is worth watching although I don't think any revelations came from it [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► accepting apparently read it seemed to think that a MacBook as shown in the [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► background 44 seconds with some new Mac which it was supposedly it wasn't it was [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► like this is the best part of it let's assume that it was so what happens now [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► like let's stipulate for the for the purpose of this conversation that there [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► was a different MacBook in the background now what happens nothing [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► happens it looks like it open to close it has a screen and a keyboard can you [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► buy one do you know what's in it [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► no point less do you know what they're doing like look I like is coming out in [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► the spring / winter / summer / God knows when it's coming out soon become to the [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► huge power savings the retina MacBook Pro design is gonna be about four years [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► old but I'ma comes out there gonna take advantage of this kind of the power [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► savings and they're going to make the stupid thing thinner and it's going to [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► be fine I'm gonna complain about the keyboard in the battery life in the [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► first extract that on buying one and they're going to be the same as we have [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► now but thinner and cool looking at maybe in space crinkled or not or or or [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► they can have amazing features that but not be visible on the screen looks like [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► a laptop I just like you know like I will agree right now that that was a [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► brand-new under these products in the background and now what happens that we [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► just sit here and smile I gotta understand anyway john Kasay interrupted [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► you yes so there wasn't that much that I thought was really remarkable about the [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► about the piece but I thought we should note that we that while two-thirds of us [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► have seen it the one thing that I thought was really interesting was Dan [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► Riccio saying and I'm gonna put it in front of me even a tenth of a millimeter [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► of thickness is sacred to us and this was with regard to the MacBook one but [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► probably pretty telling about a whole set it to you about these sorts of [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► things in general so that's the thing that's the thing that we've been [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► lamenting for a while I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that there [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► are quote that stuck out to me was in there talking to johnnie I was getting [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► into his his Jony ive mode where he is very passionate about things I think the [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► question was something about like did you feel like that Apple could become [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► complacent insular something like that [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► his answer was basically like I like all the things they say these are answers [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► that anyone who follows Apple's heard before [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► just repeated contacts and it was the giant have answer from polio which [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► averaged I believe that you like BS this is the same question is a million times [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► like every you know any famous person has to and his answer to this one is but [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► not really looking at what we like we're not satisfied with what we do like so [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► we're not gonna be like oh just set of you know leaned back in just a phone it [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► in or whatever and we're not comparing ourselves to what else is out there and [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► other people's products we compare ourselves to is always this ideal this [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► perfection that we have in our own minds over chasing chasing perfection our own [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► internal [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► you know intrinsic motivation the ideal that we have in our mind and that's what [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► we're chasing and I believe that because it shows in their products that seemed [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► to have that seem to be chasing some ideal that it has had their minds and [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► don't involve certainly too many looks at what other people are doing which is [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► fine but also maybe not too many looks at how people use these things in the [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► real world you know like his answer makes sense but it hinges entirely on [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► what is that ideal you're chasing in as articulated through many white [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► background movies over [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► years the idea that the journey I was always said that he's chasing has good [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► and bad aspects of the Dubai is like a look obvious that has to seem like it's [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► not designed it shouldn't you know it shouldn't be designed for designed sake [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► but we could see in the products that he makes it he you know he favored a [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► simplicity and symmetry and purity and beauty and it can be argued that those [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► things and it can be argued that those things have a psychological effect on [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► the user's our products that it benefits that bob line but there are practical [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► considerations as well and the balance between chasing that ideal that that [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► again may be beneficial the company but may not be better for the product and [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► also doing things you kind of have to do whether it's more reliable stream really [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► fun cables or you know or more grippy services for things or you know like [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► nothing better than all the stuff I haven't seen a lot of interviews where [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► that balance has been brought up a really pursued and I'm not expecting I [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► can sixty Minutes interview you know basically it's going to be people you [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► know if you follow up a lot is going to be people you've seen before being asked [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► questions they've been asked two thousand times you've seen the BSA's [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► questions about times and you know if there is going to be because you've [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► heard them give the same answer thousand times and they they died at each one of [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► them like labor practices parking money overseas popularity of products secrecy [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► the new Apple Campus in this is nothing new there but it is interesting that [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► they you know you got to come in the lab to the table draped with stuff you get [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► to see are milling machine running and whatever you know you can peek at it in [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► that way and it's interesting to see that people give the same answers and [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► see if they change but what I always wanted to know what we all want is [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► people who are on our listeners program is deeper questions like so I think [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► group interview with shelter pursued this a little bit on the whole figure [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► but he was talking about then maybe was also talking about battery life or maybe [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► with developer license then they would you like to pursue to have follow-ups to [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► dig a little bit like to bring up this feels like this is news to John yet he [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► knows about the the balance between [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► you know practical features I'm sure all the engineering people manufacturers [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► telling them practically speaking you do this music now can we figure out a way [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► to do this like that that's what I was talking about you know fractions of [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► millimeters there is a tension between what can be done what is able to be [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► manufactured one of the economical what is beautiful what is our economic is [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► there something it's both beautiful and ergonomic and obvious and durable and [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► stays beautiful for a long time like this this is that's what design is all [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► about [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► I would love to hear an in-depth discussion Jony ive just about those [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► tradeoffs about how he figures out where that balance is not in vague terms of [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► getting into specifics because i think is the most interesting thing about [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► design and Jony ive had never talks about it maybe is never going to be good [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► secrecy type thing he doesn't give you a cute window into his mind but if you [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► retired and I can get him on the spot kathy has been the entire show just like [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► trying to figure out how they did that bounced and what factors do we not [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► understand that are involved in this and are there problems that we see that he [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► doesn't and other problems that he knows are issues that we never see it take for [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► granted and that would be a much more interesting interview then loads on 60 [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► minutes but then again it sixty minutes so I think my expectation for that were [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► even lower than Star Wars or Star Wars that you people have been saying good [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► things about it the people involved for good [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► abrams you know George Lucas wasn't involved it seemed like your [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► expectations should have been at least middle of the road [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► well let's just say the last three Star Wars movies estaba not the best I know [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► but there's the whole different set of maybe don't know but the whole route [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► it's it's even bigger than the dq Phil Schiller thing all people out new people [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► in [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► I'm like the average consumer I wasn't believed in that world of paying [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► attention all that stuff I didn't expect much from it because the last few hours [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► movies I've seen have been terrible effects that they didn't they didn't [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► just shuffle things around a little bit [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► complete change of hands new people in charge entirely everything on the [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► internet comes back to these days that's what you have to say just go see [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► tomorrow how are you the one who has it seems like it's somehow market has been [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► to the new I don't understand what's going on today [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► bizarro world it is bizarre it's a Christmas miracle [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► this is our Christmas to tell me that hops on should have brought him he would [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► have enjoyed it [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► god no no we need we need a babysitter 'cause we have like a baby now we're all [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► a cold and boring and no but you have family close by [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► make this happen but you're kidding preschool actually the theater when I [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► went to an Alamo Drafthouse we delete this account like hipster the [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► interchange but I inadvertently booked a baby showing they did they do like baby [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► ok showing they allow people to bring babies and if they cry lol [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► not happy about this but it turned out at the matter there is like one big hole [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► through the crowd like ones but it wouldn't matter but that might exist [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► near you if you can find that that is the kind of thing you would have around [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► that area around me now [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► now there's no Alabama Drafthouse cinema near here at least an hour away [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► welterweight look at look at me look at local theaters to see if they have any [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► leak BB showings of movies I think some theaters are in to do that now I went to [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► an art show was great what does that include as they only know you know [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► people who are dressed up for people who think seriously about ever dressing up [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► for people who could safely be friends with someone who dresses up very [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► respectful there that's how I thought the only way to do it [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► did they market it that way or is it just now but it just happens naturally [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► we congregate I clearly am NOT a card-carrying nerd as I have no idea [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► when that would be if you saw it on the 17th and especially if you saw it either [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► the very first showing more like a ridiculously late showing the known sane [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► person would ever go to your house at three and its fine arts is the best so I [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► guess we're done talking about this [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► 60 minutes thing to be honest I have no I have nothing else to add I mean it was [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► it was interesting to watch it's probably worth the twenty thirty minutes [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► of your time assuming that you live in the united states I I saw something [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► fly-by on Twitter that it's it's locked down to the USB cuz reasons but it is [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► worth your time it don't expect anything monumental I also watched their what [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► they called 60 minutes overtime segments which were not that particularly [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► interesting or worthwhile the one thing I will say is that I was happy to see [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► and clearance come out from the shadows [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► they spoke to her a few times and I was very impressed with her I thought she [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► was really really good which is what one would expect given that she was once the [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► CEO they did have said there were there were some tidbits in there may be honest [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► I know about this but one of the things they were shown like the model Apple [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► Store like oh this is a test that our ideas for Apple there and there was one [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► wall that had a bunch of foliage on it was very weird and I'm assuming no real [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► Apple Store has that info have loved to see that like you know that travels are [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► some ideas I would love to see that idea make it out of the model and be going to [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► the Apple store and the like have one wall of the bunch of green vines hanging [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► down and also the ones were like they had cases and you'd like the case was [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► the poll on the thing lots of ideas there so that doesn't exhibit two [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► seconds and the other reason to watch it that this will make you angry about 60 [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► minutes but interested in and seeing this as you get to see him go get fired [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► up about keeping their money overseas and are stupid tax laws and labor [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► practices and stuff it gets kind of angry sounds like a fun time to ask him [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► some questions I always ask him and they don't like he probably game substantive [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► he gave like very substantial thorough and answers to them [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► we've heard him give those answers before I like an apple earnings calls [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► and and the things he has four cycles and everything but in 60 minutes three [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► sentences that they cut out of your big long comprehensive answer and there are [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► three sentences man Tim Cook is the angriest and they don't explain anything [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► in the move on to the next topic so it was really garbage from a perspective of [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► like giving insight to anybody who doesn't know about these issues are you [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► get the idea that we say this leading question [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► angrily denies it I don't know what the truth is not a nation now it's time to [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► ask about something else but it was interesting to see Tim Cook leaning [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► forward in his chair and getting probably the most sort of worked up I [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► never seen him [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► you know public scenario that would have loved to have heard but Steve Jobs are [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► said to the same things that he would have had a smirk more of a smart [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► investing in earnest so either way there was no information like you couldn't [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► draw any conclusions for now like Tim Cook I'm sure gave a good answer but [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► sixty minutes just is not going to air it which is a real shame I would love to [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► see you interview on 60 minutes John and it just seemed like how the heck they [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► would at the guy feel I feel for those guys because they're getting interviewed [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► you know half an hour 20 minutes 45 minutes to an hour and they're gonna [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► take literally five sentences and that's what they're going to buy sentences five [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► of the most dramatic sounding sentences with no surrounding context and is [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► nothing you can do about you can explain yourself before you can explains that [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► they're just gonna pull them out and that's what people are going to see in [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► just like wow they even agree to it why would they agree to be at least they [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► have no control over what the sentences are I don't like it [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► this is honestly this is why I haven't rushed to watch it because I figured [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► like you know TV interviews are so low density he'd like there's so little [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► content in them there's so much padding and time-wasting in them there's no [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► smart speed it's also loadin sorry there is a my Tivo oh yeah of course there is [TS]

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01:09:50 ◼   ► therefore factory direct pricing and a fraction the Big Branch prices harry's [TS]

01:09:54 ◼   ► be there about half the price of what used to pay something like Gillette [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► Fusion for instance which I would say in my experience is that the most directly [TS]

01:10:01 ◼   ► comparable blade to the Harris played cards outside a very very similar to [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► Gillette Fusion shavers quality better designs for the handles and the products [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► and the and the cream and everything that they have $15 will get you a razor [TS]

01:10:16 ◼   ► shave cream or gel and three razor blade cartridges when you more blades [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► $2 each or less to an eight pack is just 15 bucks a 16 pack is just 25 bucks and [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► these are not double-edge safety blade these are the full of razor blade [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► cartridges there's five blade in the cartridge very similar to the Gillette [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► Fusion if used to that [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► nice easy to use disposable cartridges that are just really good quality for [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► the price and a packet please use $15 a 16 pack is $25 now a 16 pack of fusion [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► blades its $56 that's more than double as much as well harry's charges for what [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► I would say as I said is a very comfortable lead and carries you to you [TS]

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01:11:18 ◼   ► carries a calm ATP thanks a lot to Harry sponsor show once again so a long time [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► ago in a galaxy far along time ago we we wanted to talk about something that came [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► out of nowhere and it's a new service product company start-up it's a new [TS]

01:11:39 ◼   ► thing and it's called up there and it has a lot of X Apple people in it and [TS]

01:11:44 ◼   ► John I think this was a kind of your baby so what do you want to tell us [TS]

01:11:48 ◼   ► about up there were transferred later used to be in charge of Apple software [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► stuff and sergeant like I was 10 and everything back for those IOUs and even [TS]

01:11:55 ◼   ► over after he retired from Apple while ago that's when Craig victory took over [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► basically and he disappeared to go on vacation and do whatever you wanna do [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► but pretty quickly after you left Apple there were rumblings like Oh [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► what's per trans next thing I guess you never really leave I guess we're just [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► leaving become like I don't know a venture capitalist or support other [TS]

01:12:18 ◼   ► technology things anyway they called the rumor was that he was involved in some [TS]

01:12:22 ◼   ► kind of start up and they were doing something having to do with computers [TS]

01:12:25 ◼   ► and that's all anybody knew about it I didn't pay too much attention for health [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► services some point did service couple months back with this company called up [TS]

01:12:34 ◼   ► there and when I went to their website at first it was like pretty impenetrable [TS]

01:12:40 ◼   ► cuz they say you know if you have a cloud but translation on your web [TS]

01:12:46 ◼   ► browser like a lot of what's going on here was doing some cloud and their [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► computers and it's like how what is different about this company seem like [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► they were saying they were going to store a bunch of stuff on their servers [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► so you wouldn't have to start on yours [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► honestly I have looked at this it's been the show notes for like two months I've [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► looked at this every so often before the show and I cannot figure out what it is [TS]

01:13:12 ◼   ► and why why do care about it and like the court upheld from the CEO was not be [TS]

01:13:16 ◼   ► translated by the way is just one of the founders but to see roger tamraz's we [TS]

01:13:21 ◼   ► like the way to backup to vanish from dictionary we built a consumer cloud [TS]

01:13:25 ◼   ► from the ground up oh here we go we questioned everything literally [TS]

01:13:28 ◼   ► experiment a lot of the cloud to be the primary place for your data this summer [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► that the whole idea is like it's kind of like a Chromebook you know back up a [TS]

01:13:37 ◼   ► Chromebook basis nothing on it that isn't already owns your Google service [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► right up there the whole idea is don't worry about what's on your phone or on [TS]

01:13:46 ◼   ► your Mac or wherever you want to be that's that's just like a local cash [TS]

01:13:50 ◼   ► that's not where the toughest check your phone into the ocean [TS]

01:13:53 ◼   ► who cares there was nothing on it anyway you're fine all your stuff is up there [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► in the cloud and the like from the second quarters we experimented a lot [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► they've been in stealth mode as they say for a long time so who knows what [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► they've been doing behind the scenes but they do have a beta program and I'm on [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► the beta and [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► its public pay-per-view sign up for it I don't you know and they have a couple [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► applications Mac application and as an iOS application of the ones I use them [TS]

01:14:25 ◼   ► and it's like there were loud bang sign up they already have two factor [TS]

01:14:30 ◼   ► authentication error that was really nice out of the gate because if you're [TS]

01:14:33 ◼   ► gonna be a cloud thing I can add that I can your fifth year something is [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► important to have it now and then I want you to put stuff into the crowd and they [TS]

01:14:41 ◼   ► have like an easy button press it's like hey do you want to put your photos liver [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► into the crowd and it's my photos library now like the family once a month [TS]

01:14:48 ◼   ► or is likely only has like 10,000 Photo Center something like sure to go take [TS]

01:14:52 ◼   ► those you know like I mean a lot of this going on just trusting Bergeron [TS]

01:14:55 ◼   ► certainly not lady company or whatever and drag files into it whatever just [TS]

01:15:03 ◼   ► whatever funds I told to pull my photos library just let it do its thing [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► eventually uploaded my photos library and on the iOS application I can go and [TS]

01:15:13 ◼   ► I can browse through all my photos in iPhoto library in like ten thousand or [TS]

01:15:16 ◼   ► so there was some weirdness in that phone totally sink like uploaded them [TS]

01:15:22 ◼   ► from my Mac and then to get the phone totally saying there was the best way to [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► do it was to have the phone in the application launches like an option that [TS]

01:15:33 ◼   ► says don't don't let your phone go to sleep when applications in the [TS]

01:15:35 ◼   ► foreground because he gets up loads better faster when the application is [TS]

01:15:38 ◼   ► running in the foreground I know that was an option but apparently it is it [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► anyway they got everything uploaded there they have a camera application as [TS]

01:15:45 ◼   ► well which is kind of getting more into have a source to work it's a camera for [TS]

01:15:50 ◼   ► your phone and you launch this application instead of luck in nineteen [TS]

01:15:53 ◼   ► Apple's camera application you take pictures but instead of the pictures [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► going on to your phone the pictures go directly into the cloud and if it's [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► there is you'll never feel your phone with pictures you know that's that's a [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► real thing that a lot of people have smartphones do is they take pictures [TS]

01:16:07 ◼   ► take pictures take pictures and they thought their phone and I was storage [TS]

01:16:10 ◼   ► management is such that there is not a real easy way out of that without you [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► need to have an iPod photo library [TS]

01:16:16 ◼   ► that turned on do you have a Mac and you know that their thing is never gonna [TS]

01:16:22 ◼   ► throw your phone because we don't put the pictures on your phone you take [TS]

01:16:25 ◼   ► pictures and we need to upload them now obviously everything that up there is [TS]

01:16:30 ◼   ► predicated on you having a network connection like a network connection [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► being somewhat reliable and somewhat you know having a reasonable amount of [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► bandwidth so its authority looking play where the future is not going to be [TS]

01:16:43 ◼   ► doing stuff local anything how to sync it the future is going to be pushing [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► everything up that that's a pretty safe bet what it all comes down to that with [TS]

01:16:51 ◼   ► us that that's why everyone hears about this entry through website and thinks [TS]

01:16:53 ◼   ► that it's like whatever you're like uploading stuff to a server somewhere [TS]

01:16:57 ◼   ► who cares what it all comes down to his execution how well does uploads doctors [TS]

01:17:02 ◼   ► think ever get stuck does can access go through all 10,000 I pictures how long [TS]

01:17:07 ◼   ► does it take for the thumbnail slowed and I don't know what exactly they're [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► doing tech wise because the website is not eliminating I would imagine since [TS]

01:17:15 ◼   ► they've been still thought a really long time but they're trying to do is come up [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► with a better interface then like the application uses posits a pas de deux [TS]

01:17:22 ◼   ► synchronous io to your local disk and then some demon process wonders the file [TS]

01:17:26 ◼   ► system and like Dropbox or whatever and finds things and opens an HDB connection [TS]

01:17:31 ◼   ► and shoves the files wanted time to our servers like that's the old way of doing [TS]

01:17:35 ◼   ► things I don't know if they're doing exactly that or if they are you know I'm [TS]

01:17:40 ◼   ► imagining sorry is it more interesting abstractions where instead of going [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► through a POSIX file i/o API they have their own file i/o API that does [TS]

01:17:49 ◼   ► intelligent things like better support for streaming and batching of multiple [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► things and like you know handling failures better and being a synchronous [TS]

01:17:59 ◼   ► and asynchronous my default being multithreaded and being able to use [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► multiple connections and handling like that's what I'm imagining is behind the [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► scenes but the bottom line is it uploaded all my pictures and when I [TS]

01:18:10 ◼   ► scroll through them I can scroll through all of them and the thumbnails load and [TS]

01:18:14 ◼   ► you know pretty fast and when you go to the IRS usage screen to see how much [TS]

01:18:20 ◼   ► disk space the up their obligations taking up it's like nothing like 90 [TS]

01:18:24 ◼   ► Megabus so I think it really is streaming all the stuff in real time [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► from the cloud as they say [TS]

01:18:29 ◼   ► and like the picture on their website is storing our entire digital lives photos [TS]

01:18:36 ◼   ► videos music and documents in a single place that it's always accessible [TS]

01:18:39 ◼   ► growing evolving ready to share their sharing stuff is in better than Apple [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► already there that you can make like something called loop we can have [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► multiple people putting their foes into a single bucket right and so you know [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► you could do that [TS]

01:18:51 ◼   ► family photo library where the whole family could have camera applications [TS]

01:18:55 ◼   ► every picture they take to go into one giant shared thing people can contribute [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► is like it just seems like a forward-looking way to do everything and [TS]

01:19:05 ◼   ► is a Malaysian good just because they have 5 beta testers and all five of us [TS]

01:19:09 ◼   ► our connection to their supermassive be terrible and as a million people could [TS]

01:19:13 ◼   ► the scale to be the size of I kappa music or like a photo I have no idea all [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► I know is that whatever the heck they're doing it's working and Apple should buy [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► them because it's better than everything Apple is doing even though they're not [TS]

01:19:24 ◼   ► going to upload pictures yes can I see them all guests can scroll through the [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► store any files on my iPhone not as far as I can tell so it does what it says on [TS]

01:19:35 ◼   ► the tin and it's pretty impressive I have been on the beta for like a week or [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► two now because I didn't get a clear read on what the intention is for the [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► app in fact you describing it as give me a much better understanding than than [TS]

01:19:50 ◼   ► the very little bit of documentation I read I didn't know to make it seem like [TS]

01:19:54 ◼   ► the Mac App it has some tabs on the left has flow which I guess is just kind of a [TS]

01:19:59 ◼   ► good news feed sort of thing it has photos and videos music and documents [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► and it's not i mean i understand what those words mean I understand that [TS]

01:20:07 ◼   ► presumably I'm supposed to start chucking things in these buckets but it [TS]

01:20:12 ◼   ► was entirely clear to me what the long-term plays here and I understand [TS]

01:20:15 ◼   ► that a lot better it seems to work well like you said I mean I'm not I haven't [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► really tried much with it but there's plenty of stuff there and it certainly [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► is streaming things from the cloud like you said very quickly so initial [TS]

01:20:30 ◼   ► impressions by me were confusion but happy confusion of that if such a thing [TS]

01:20:35 ◼   ► exists [TS]

01:20:35 ◼   ► now that I've heard you talk about it I'm very interested to play with the iOS [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► appetite never bothered to download maybe that's half my problem very [TS]

01:20:43 ◼   ► interested to play with that and see how it goes but it wouldn't surprise me if [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► this was in some ways just an acquisition play to see if Apple was [TS]

01:20:52 ◼   ► feeling desperate to get away from web checks and and and hire a team that can [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► that can solve this problem once and for all [TS]

01:21:00 ◼   ► presumably like that it's a tech glad that it's not just that they've done [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► like I said they did you exact same thing everyone else is doing just using [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► HTTP connections with Tara libraries and doing local file i/o and just like you [TS]

01:21:13 ◼   ► doing that slightly better than you know one percent better than everyone else it [TS]

01:21:16 ◼   ► seems like the only reason this could ever be a startup is someone has some [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► good ideas about how to abstract the file system on the network in a way that [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► accounts for the modern world news not like backward-looking like it to some [TS]

01:21:27 ◼   ► degree like even drop boxes that it's just a bunch of local files on desk and [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► it is another process that watches and moves them up and down and I and i wanna [TS]

01:21:36 ◼   ► talk about something else like surely it is not loading we just on the time [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► surely it is you there [TS]

01:21:41 ◼   ► chucking them up or streaming them down or like it's not making a new connection [TS]

01:21:45 ◼   ► everyone definitely right house dealing with like the size of the thumbnails and [TS]

01:21:49 ◼   ► Mike just and and how is it [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► house keeping up with my scrolling and knowing which things it wants to to load [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► and stuff like that and then right now the beta whatever like I'm not putting [TS]

01:21:59 ◼   ► anything that nothing is only in my entire photo library they really smart [TS]

01:22:04 ◼   ► save this one but impressive on to things like the only upload your photo [TS]

01:22:06 ◼   ► library right i mean you don't use photos so you didn't see that but there [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► wouldn't be useful to you but for me unlike fine go ahead because it's it's [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► just reading from the photos library keep in sync with it and everything too [TS]

01:22:15 ◼   ► and same thing when I wanna take photos with the regular Apple camera app it [TS]

01:22:19 ◼   ► like a million other apps like member they did drop box camera operator will [TS]

01:22:22 ◼   ► try to see when you take pictures with your photo app [TS]

01:22:25 ◼   ► of those using it now as a toy to play with every once in awhile to see what [TS]

01:22:29 ◼   ► the performance like trying to figure out what the what the heck they're [TS]

01:22:31 ◼   ► actually doing behind the scenes and yet another free backup for all my photos [TS]

01:22:36 ◼   ► near the small of my life not the big lie thought about signing up my wife [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► bought and and trying to put the big library [TS]

01:22:44 ◼   ► up to the thing to see if it would choke on that because 10,000 is that they have [TS]

01:22:47 ◼   ► a challenge but about sixty or seventy thousand now can you but maybe I'll do [TS]

01:22:51 ◼   ► this is torture test but I would never burn it only anything only end up there [TS]

01:22:55 ◼   ► and you know business model and it's all free basis of knows what they would [TS]

01:22:58 ◼   ► charge the stuff so it's still a big question mark [TS]

01:23:00 ◼   ► pricing is a pretty big question mark going like that that matters a lot to [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► how how many people will even bother trying to adopt in the first place [TS]

01:23:08 ◼   ► because vote libraries can be quite big and if you're talking about like storing [TS]

01:23:13 ◼   ► all my stuff up there all my documents or even many of my documents plus all my [TS]

01:23:17 ◼   ► photos plus you know I can immediately that gets very big very quickly [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► especially if you've any video shooting but their explanation and the people [TS]

01:23:25 ◼   ► behind making things like the obvious that they would take that into account [TS]

01:23:27 ◼   ► the whole idea is that the old way of doing the other way that everybody else [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► is doing them with sort of using eighties and nineties text to solve my [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► problem is really in the future for the future over everybody as ubiquitous fast [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► connections but as you know getting closer every day that they are coming at [TS]

01:23:44 ◼   ► it from that perspective they you know they must have smart solutions for not [TS]

01:23:48 ◼   ► just the API and how to write applications into this bag and but how [TS]

01:23:53 ◼   ► the backend work how it hosted how it scaled how you know what the economics [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► are how much does it cost for us to host X amount of data can we undercut [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► everyone else prices by using better technology because we can more [TS]

01:24:05 ◼   ► efficiently store they got him again they don't tell you it's their secret [TS]

01:24:09 ◼   ► you know whatever I have no idea what it means but all I can look at is the front [TS]

01:24:13 ◼   ► and the front end seems to work more smoothly than every other friend and I [TS]

01:24:19 ◼   ► try to be there be Dropbox or Microsoft's one drive thing or Google [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► Drive or like we've all tried all these different things [TS]

01:24:27 ◼   ► casa so many different services that it that are like this and you know they're [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► good ones I use Dropbox all-time like they're not they're not bad but this [TS]

01:24:37 ◼   ► impressed me with just how sort of no nonsense and smooth it is and how I [TS]

01:24:43 ◼   ► don't even know how they're doing it how like how is that I'm able to scroll [TS]

01:24:46 ◼   ► through ten thousand photos and the thumbnails like they're not they're [TS]

01:24:49 ◼   ► instantly there's little white squares initially but they pretty fast ball [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► screens on this I don't have no idea how it's doing that but it's pretty [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► impressive [TS]

01:24:57 ◼   ► assuming that this actually becomes a thing and and launches to the public [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► some kind of business model is one thing would you obviously they don't want to [TS]

01:25:06 ◼   ► be your cloud backup service they want to be your primary storage and possibly [TS]

01:25:13 ◼   ► your only stories therefore cos is there even easy way to like maintain a local [TS]

01:25:18 ◼   ► copy of everything or do they really not want to do that that's what I'm getting [TS]

01:25:21 ◼   ► at I don't know like maybe that's the long-term plan obviously the right now [TS]

01:25:26 ◼   ► they are perfectly willing to be on everest they will pull in content and [TS]

01:25:30 ◼   ► sit like you don't have to manually so I took some new photos with my phone like [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► they were every time you launch the app it will sync up any new photos you've [TS]

01:25:37 ◼   ► taken any time at anything to my photos I'm not using up there at this point but [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► up there is every time I launch it is playing all that stuff in so it's a [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► great sort of on-ramp like that they they want to make it easier for people [TS]

01:25:50 ◼   ► to lunch at that and say we know you have elsewhere and probably you want to [TS]

01:25:53 ◼   ► keep yourself elsewhere and probably going to deal with elsewhere but we're [TS]

01:25:57 ◼   ► here too and they would have to sort of get you into the flow by saying we're [TS]

01:26:01 ◼   ► cheaper than your other hosting a more reliable than photos eventually become [TS]

01:26:04 ◼   ► trustworthy I mean realistically speaking depardieu by somebody for any [TS]

01:26:08 ◼   ► of this happens but look impressive but you know I don't see any reason why they [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► would you getting out of things like would you would you ever like put your [TS]

01:26:16 ◼   ► stuff in there would you trust it as primary stories because they're trying [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► to get rid of backups I don't know that I could do that well I mean like its [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► aspiration obviously get rid of backups because if immediate your datacenter and [TS]

01:26:32 ◼   ► stuff right so where is gonna have a nice have you know my my backups and my [TS]

01:26:36 ◼   ► Time Machine and I clone and and the question of can you have locally copies [TS]

01:26:41 ◼   ► were yep I just keep using photos and I have one of them access to always have a [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► low copy the photos and have 17 backups of that including online like that's the [TS]

01:26:49 ◼   ► way I will continue to go but I could see for example not enabling the the [TS]

01:26:57 ◼   ► thing that lets you know that whatever the iCloud photo library lets you see [TS]

01:27:00 ◼   ► your entire library on your phone because it's too onerous or maybe an [TS]

01:27:02 ◼   ► enabling but never going to like for example when someone says I like I can [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► be accessed 04 Leverkusen as someone [TS]

01:27:10 ◼   ► ask questions like What did you know you could look like when he was three years [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► old right I like being able to launch a thing on the phone and go to the year [TS]

01:27:17 ◼   ► and say you know I have access to everything I think this year but it's [TS]

01:27:21 ◼   ► lowered to do that with iCloud photo library than it is to do that with up [TS]

01:27:24 ◼   ► there just because it is I can go to the year faster and faster and you know like [TS]

01:27:30 ◼   ► that's that's a win for me of that that takes over that role where I no longer [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► go to photos to look at my photos I just go up there because the same things are [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► both places and has nothing to do with that said whatever it's a long road from [TS]

01:27:44 ◼   ► there to the aspirational goal of like a week it by yourself and that's right but [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► I i truly believe in that state not the end of backups but maybe in the backups [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► for regular people like where you could get it to the point where it's reliable [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► on redundant enough that you won't be a big thing about now you're obsessed with [TS]

01:28:02 ◼   ► people like have you ever backed up your phone [TS]

01:28:05 ◼   ► have you enabled like that for a library if I run over your phone with the car [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► are checking into the ocean [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► did you just lose the pictures of your infant child has now five years all [TS]

01:28:14 ◼   ► because you never impede your phone before the whole problem filling your [TS]

01:28:17 ◼   ► phone with photos like all those concerns I would like to be addressed [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► then go adding Android is better to dressing down Apple's catching up with [TS]

01:28:25 ◼   ► the photo library and up there is trying to say we're out we're way out here at [TS]

01:28:28 ◼   ► the extreme where you guys want to be and I'm selling it as a competition [TS]

01:28:35 ◼   ► between implementations really at this point and their implication looks pretty [TS]

01:28:38 ◼   ► good [TS]

01:28:39 ◼   ► they slept for three sponsors this week [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► Leinart fracture and Harry's and we'll see you next week [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin to see it was accidental [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► accidental [TS]

01:29:00 ◼   ► Casey [TS]

01:29:04 ◼   ► and a team are cool [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► I do about plugging it is quite good [TS]

01:29:52 ◼   ► magical you spent well maybe you didn't spend any money this week Marco but you [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► in you [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► in you [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► kid yourself to spending some money sometime soon you wanna tell us about [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► that I spent son is a deposit yes so in order to test left and you lost the bet [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► I know I I knew already that I lost the bet nobody else did the bet was in there [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► in the winnings were just bragging rights [TS]

01:30:19 ◼   ► the bet was that Marco would absolutely get the performance version of whatever [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► testified that he ended up buying and that's because Marco doesn't typically [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► know how to do halfway on anything as it turns out I lost the bet and you did not [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► get a p90 D or E [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► p90 no deal whatever it is I forget the different permutations what did you end [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► up getting I want to run run through the set up with us I got the 9th ed so it is [TS]

01:30:48 ◼   ► approximately m5 speed and maximum range available in a test today it's white [TS]

01:30:55 ◼   ► because it's the only color cars can be in getting its read my first non [TS]

01:31:03 ◼   ► dark-colored car in a long day ever really my first non black car in a [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► decade at least so red Tesla 9th ed is coming in late March when my lease is up [TS]

01:31:14 ◼   ► but I ordered it now to get take advantage of some discount they were [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► running before the year was nineteen silver cyclone wheels I know in in the [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► pictures so I can read you can argue that the dark colored wheels would [TS]

01:31:28 ◼   ► probably look better and in pictures they do first of all I think up-close [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► look a little bit flat like it they almost look like painted plastic I know [TS]

01:31:38 ◼   ► they're not just like the finish on them is kinda like flat a little bit dull [TS]

01:31:42 ◼   ► they also because it is just like you know i didnt color coding on top of a [TS]

01:31:47 ◼   ► regular one of these made it a steel aluminum metal depends anyway so [TS]

01:31:53 ◼   ► whatever metal it is probably aluminum the dark colored wheels any kind of curb [TS]

01:31:58 ◼   ► rash anywhere any scratches whatsoever on them that bright color metal below [TS]

01:32:03 ◼   ► just shines right through and you can see everything and and sure enough I get [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► whatever i'd i'd be a Tesla dealer looking at these things they would often [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► be customer cars park [TS]

01:32:13 ◼   ► in the lot like you know just getting service to people visiting to cooking [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► utensils or whatever and every car I saw in person that was a customer-owned car [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► that had dark wheels on it had very visible scratches on those people can [TS]

01:32:27 ◼   ► just drive just can't drive went past a black model S today with the big dark [TS]

01:32:34 ◼   ► colored wheels at the supermarket their red brake calipers too I think there are [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► no scratches on the yeah if it has the red calipers that is AP model it was [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► tempting to spend twenty grand extra just for red calipers but I did not get [TS]

01:32:49 ◼   ► a lot more than red calipers but point noted will but obviously so you get the [TS]

01:32:53 ◼   ► red calipers and you get the faster rear-ended another has the details of [TS]

01:32:59 ◼   ► the two engines the rear engine is faster but those are actually the only [TS]

01:33:02 ◼   ► two differences plus you get less range but like the suspension is all the same [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► everything else about the cars the same I've confirmed with multiple people from [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► my drive and it totally is certainly seems that way the the only thing [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► different is the engine the red calipers and you the option for a spoiler on the [TS]

01:33:21 ◼   ► back of a hate you got red you got the 19 inch super cyclone wheels what other [TS]

01:33:26 ◼   ► options he said ninety days ninety black interior sunroof auto pilot range [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► upgrade premium interior the big national seats I did not get the smart [TS]

01:33:38 ◼   ► air suspension this I was going to and i did some reading and did some research [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► and it sounds like the air suspension really does make the car feel more like [TS]

01:33:49 ◼   ► a cushy or softer ride and I did not think that that was even when I wanted [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► let alone worth $2,500 extra on the purchase price even the leasing still it [TS]

01:34:02 ◼   ► would be out paper behalf of that so i didnt get smart air suspension I want a [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► more firm sporty ride and I did not get the ultra high fidelity sound because I [TS]

01:34:14 ◼   ► I did a back-to-back tests of those in the showroom an Patel's very little [TS]

01:34:17 ◼   ► difference in the two sound system than either of them sounded great to me like [TS]

01:34:20 ◼   ► they presented honestly pretty mediocre [TS]

01:34:23 ◼   ► I figured I might as well not spend extra money on mediocrity I did get the [TS]

01:34:27 ◼   ► sub-zero weather package because they live in a place with bill seasons and [TS]

01:34:30 ◼   ► did not get the rear facing seats because for the next three years of this [TS]

01:34:33 ◼   ► lease will cover my wife I decided that we would probably not be comfortable [TS]

01:34:37 ◼   ► with our kid in those seized during this age period by enough to make it worth [TS]

01:34:42 ◼   ► getting them for an extra $3,000 where'd you get as the interior trim like accent [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► get but carbon fiber looking you know that was actually a tough call the [TS]

01:34:52 ◼   ► carbon fiber looks decent but kinda like hurt my eyes and anticipate you hear [TS]

01:34:57 ◼   ► matters a lot because she has the passenger usually when I'm driving she [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► sees the trim way more than I do cuz it's as big strip right front passenger [TS]

01:35:05 ◼   ► side and in the driver side you don't really see much of it so she didn't care [TS]

01:35:09 ◼   ► for the carbon fiber so you know that was fun [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► the two would like a basically a glossy and matte what I didn't look at the map [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► so I was basically I between glossy wood and the piano black the piano black my [TS]

01:35:22 ◼   ► current car has that I know I like it is very nice that being said it shows [TS]

01:35:26 ◼   ► fingerprints and scratches like crazy but I decided ultimately I would rather [TS]

01:35:30 ◼   ► have your printed piano black trim [TS]

01:35:33 ◼   ► like it better I'd rather have that than perfect glossy wood trim and stoked I am [TS]

01:35:39 ◼   ► yeah I'm actually looking forward to 20 something new I mentioned before I love [TS]

01:35:44 ◼   ► having him five it's been great I do however miss although Dr yes I know [TS]

01:35:48 ◼   ► they're adding it to the next model but it isn't there now I also mentioned [TS]

01:35:52 ◼   ► earlier that I really want a quieter car BMW does not currently sell a quieter [TS]

01:35:57 ◼   ► car that has all wheel drive that has a transmission that I would tolerate said [TS]

01:36:02 ◼   ► maybe the is is 335 extra is still available and stick you know I don't [TS]

01:36:07 ◼   ► know it's a 340 now anyway but I honestly don't know I would think not [TS]

01:36:12 ◼   ► think I think it might be that would probably only option 25 sears is totally [TS]

01:36:15 ◼   ► out of 5 Series you can't get that you can't you can get a stick with I would [TS]

01:36:19 ◼   ► drive if at all anymore and you can't deceive any the five series and I will [TS]

01:36:24 ◼   ► not drive the Sprott oh yes I've driven it and no it is not the same as if the [TS]

01:36:29 ◼   ► test is it in some ways it's not as good as as the m5 and I'm not expecting it to [TS]

01:36:34 ◼   ► match it in a luxury feel feat [TS]

01:36:37 ◼   ► jurors the interior is more luxurious feeling no question and very much going [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► to miss the heads up display and the top-down parking camera that since the [TS]

01:36:47 ◼   ► last real-time follow-up you can get a 340 i xDrive with a manual transmission [TS]

01:36:52 ◼   ► ok so that is the only other car BMW makes that would consider getting right [TS]

01:36:57 ◼   ► now to the new lineup but that also I I really don't like the F 33 series [TS]

01:37:03 ◼   ► honestly I don't like it I don't like the steering system I don't really care [TS]

01:37:07 ◼   ► for the way it looks and and I think the interior has actually gotten lower [TS]

01:37:12 ◼   ► quality in certain ways in the previous three series and the lack of the All [TS]

01:37:17 ◼   ► button on the climate control just kills me that is really insane I don't know [TS]

01:37:21 ◼   ► why you're not shopping Mercedes at this point you never talk never talked about [TS]

01:37:25 ◼   ► Mercedes but he's now safely within the most diverse cities you know market I I [TS]

01:37:32 ◼   ► did I i recent trip I actually I rented a Mercedes guy I was on a trip about a [TS]

01:37:38 ◼   ► year ago I had to rent a car and I rented a e-class their version 5 Series [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► yeah yes I rented and eat something something it was like the v-6 roughly [TS]

01:37:48 ◼   ► 300 horsepower like they basically their version of 335 early 535 I wouldn't say [TS]

01:37:53 ◼   ► that but yeah anyway so I rented that a driver for a few days and it was a [TS]

01:37:57 ◼   ► really nice driving car but definitely not for me overall I think they I think [TS]

01:38:04 ◼   ► first of all I don't care pharmacies designs very much at their little bit [TS]

01:38:07 ◼   ► dated for me well when you say that you mean exterior design yes host I think [TS]

01:38:13 ◼   ► they've gotten pretty lili although that being said the brand brand brand new [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► ones are very bubbly and I'm not as into that but up until about this year the [TS]

01:38:22 ◼   ► year prior [TS]

01:38:23 ◼   ► there was like a five-year stretch where they went from really really really [TS]

01:38:27 ◼   ► boring to actually very pretty but for me it's a non-starter because they don't [TS]

01:38:33 ◼   ► believe in three pedals I know but like but he doesn't have three pedals anymore [TS]

01:38:37 ◼   ► anyway he has a has introduced as I understand like I feel like a Mercedes S [TS]

01:38:41 ◼   ► Class like when you come back from your hangover by then the S Class might be [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► like it might be I don't know but I also I I really don't care for the mercedes [TS]

01:38:53 ◼   ► media system change every year but he's not received at five years or whatever [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► but yeah I know they're all they're all terrible and yeah I mean I'm not saying [TS]

01:39:05 ◼   ► to be tested forever I'm saying we are going to be tested for the next three [TS]

01:39:07 ◼   ► years [TS]

01:39:08 ◼   ► that's the police cars but so I i am looking forward to trying something new [TS]

01:39:13 ◼   ► to try and electric to it being a truly different and I'm seeing as I said when [TS]

01:39:19 ◼   ► I drove them to at least feeling modern really filled with today and you know in [TS]

01:39:23 ◼   ► 30 in three years and I have to choose my next vehicle whether I get another [TS]

01:39:28 ◼   ► test or something else by that time there will probably be more options or [TS]

01:39:33 ◼   ► or more compelling [TS]

01:39:35 ◼   ► options from the other luxury brands right now there really isn't much there [TS]

01:39:39 ◼   ► will definitely be there forever they've all got a test [TS]

01:39:42 ◼   ► fighters in in the works like that that Porsche concept looks really nice [TS]

01:39:45 ◼   ► honestly I don't know if that will get that would pan out into something and [TS]

01:39:49 ◼   ► god knows how much it will cost to it does but it does look really nice on [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► paper at least we'll see what happens with Mercedes and BMW and Audi and I you [TS]

01:39:57 ◼   ► know and you know even accurate any anybody else we'll see what happens in [TS]

01:40:01 ◼   ► their electric department right now as I have to make a decision right now [TS]

01:40:05 ◼   ► Tesla is by far my favorite option of what I was available right now I'm [TS]

01:40:11 ◼   ► excited for you should be really awesome to be sad to not have you personally in [TS]

01:40:17 ◼   ► the BMW family anymore but at least your family will still be a BMW family don't [TS]

01:40:22 ◼   ► worry I'm sure at some point we'll be back there is a lot about the way BMW [TS]

01:40:27 ◼   ► does things that I do prefer you know I do prefer not having a giant touch [TS]

01:40:32 ◼   ► screen I think you know it will see again we'll see what happens when I get [TS]

01:40:34 ◼   ► it but I do think I'm gonna prefer still haven't hardware knobs two giant screens [TS]

01:40:38 ◼   ► if given the choice I do certainly like a heads up display and I do like the BMW [TS]

01:40:44 ◼   ► quality interior and that's in the 5 series so maybe eventually there will be [TS]

01:40:48 ◼   ► and all-electric 5 series that will be really compelling that will be nice to [TS]

01:40:53 ◼   ► me that because that will eliminate the problem I have with the regular 5 series [TS]

01:40:57 ◼   ► of having a transmission I hate if they can move to not having a transmission [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► that does solve the probable we'll see what happens [TS]

01:41:05 ◼   ► did you ask people if the model is designed for short trips can get [TS]

01:41:12 ◼   ► examined her will is designed for that chicken salad John thing on my stomach I [TS]

01:41:18 ◼   ► prefer XO Why What yeah this is worse than the windows thing I'm not against [TS]

01:41:25 ◼   ► my go-to I would get cinnamon raisin bagel with egg salad on it wrapped up in [TS]

01:41:32 ◼   ► wax paper and then cut in half through the wax paper as you know as a proper ok [TS]

01:41:37 ◼   ► there are so many things wrong with this kid Kerr first of all is similar raisin [TS]

01:41:41 ◼   ► bagel does not belong with any of the salads that is that is it illegal [TS]

01:41:45 ◼   ► combination you're wrong you are so about that you don't know what you're [TS]

01:41:50 ◼   ► missing john you're out of your mind [TS]

01:41:51 ◼   ► second of all eggs salad only belongs on bread not bagels because it is such a [TS]

01:41:56 ◼   ► soft feeling that you bite into a bagel it squeezes out I understand I [TS]

01:42:02 ◼   ► understand the difficulties to hold the magic is getting that right [TS]

01:42:05 ◼   ► it seems like it shouldn't work it seems like it should be a disaster that you [TS]

01:42:08 ◼   ► would bite down at all we do is cause the bagel to choose digs out shooting [TS]

01:42:12 ◼   ► out the side with an empty bag with but know it can be done we have the [TS]

01:42:17 ◼   ► technology the wax paper is key [TS]

01:42:20 ◼   ► you know your local deli that but you know I enrolled in during cutting [TS]

01:42:24 ◼   ► basically right but they rapid really tightly and holding during cutting and [TS]

01:42:28 ◼   ► you can move them back and eat it and it won't come shooting out the side and at [TS]

01:42:34 ◼   ► the bagel is fresh and it's not like a stale big hard brick Cape thing you can [TS]

01:42:39 ◼   ► actually buy it and not lose all of your Excel is a delicate balance I understand [TS]

01:42:43 ◼   ► this is I haven't had a good one of those I don't know how many decades [TS]

01:42:47 ◼   ► because ever be this terrible concept as a great content and is an advanced [TS]

01:42:53 ◼   ► technique for you with if you want to make a bagel sandwich at home for [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► example say you want a peanut butter and jelly on toast a bagel bitchez fabulous [TS]

01:42:58 ◼   ► but I was [TS]

01:43:00 ◼   ► to the bagel shop and that it was always a disaster whenever somebody order [TS]

01:43:06 ◼   ► because that squeezes out like crazy I know I know let me give you a little [TS]

01:43:12 ◼   ► tipsy r [TS]

01:43:14 ◼   ► billion toasted bagel home how can you possibly make that work it seems like it [TS]

01:43:18 ◼   ► should work on all right you don't know now you do we have we have ways so you [TS]

01:43:22 ◼   ► toast the bagel and then one half of it you sort of dig a trench for the judge [TS]

01:43:28 ◼   ► to go and you don't play at all the insides leaving a trench then you put [TS]

01:43:32 ◼   ► the Chilean the trench the peanut butter that legal [TS]

01:43:35 ◼   ► the peanut butter will stay on its own for the most part then you assemble it [TS]

01:43:39 ◼   ► you can eat that sandwich nothing else we're out the side if assembled [TS]

01:43:43 ◼   ► correctly nothing about the size and what you have is a toasted bagel sammich [TS]

01:43:47 ◼   ► the things I do with bagels understands these advanced techniques Vance that I'm [TS]

01:43:52 ◼   ► not sure that Holmes first of all accounts it counts as well as a key to [TS]

01:43:59 ◼   ► hollow out some part of you eat the part you take out throwing it away the trick [TS]

01:44:03 ◼   ► is not takes so much out of it you just basically left with just a crust right [TS]

01:44:07 ◼   ► you have to take just the right amount will tuna has enough stretch into his [TS]

01:44:11 ◼   ► very similar chicken salad and texturally it has enough strength [TS]

01:44:13 ◼   ► internally to tolerate you can get more you can get more in there anyway you [TS]

01:44:19 ◼   ► don't always have to do with Tony right it can hold together I like to sell it [TS]

01:44:22 ◼   ► and I like bagels and I like bagels with tuna or chicken on them at no point have [TS]

01:44:27 ◼   ► I ever had a bagel with tuna salad or chicken soured and thought I need to [TS]

01:44:31 ◼   ► find ways to show up more of it and here I thought that because you can fit a lot [TS]

01:44:36 ◼   ► in the regular way it really depends on how stiff your mixture as you know John [TS]

01:44:42 ◼   ► and it is there all good things that are going hungry even thinking about them [TS]

01:44:45 ◼   ► you're so wrong with these are all delicious things these are all delicious [TS]

01:44:50 ◼   ► things that you can make in your own home you did these are terrible terrible [TS]

01:44:54 ◼   ► things to know everything you just said has been wrong the first time I think [TS]

01:45:00 ◼   ► any input about what's proper aideed bagels from some of his regime and [TS]

01:45:04 ◼   ► second of all I'm also not going to take that interview somebody who just [TS]

01:45:07 ◼   ► recently moved to New York which one of us is a New York right now oh recently [TS]

01:45:11 ◼   ► moved to New York [TS]

01:45:12 ◼   ► eight years ago her up there now what I got a big salad I i just am so i cant [TS]

01:45:20 ◼   ► get past against egg salad is it and some anti-aids exam is delicious I i in [TS]

01:45:26 ◼   ► general I I think I am against it and I i mean alot of fakes out of my life now [TS]

01:45:31 ◼   ► the truth comes out against the egg salad bar garment against the bed for [TS]

01:45:36 ◼   ► america is that exactly what happened to me a salad is not worth it when you have [TS]

01:45:46 ◼   ► other options that are similar to its only if all you have in a store is a [TS]

01:45:50 ◼   ► salad finally takes out but if right next to it is tuna salad and chicken [TS]

01:45:56 ◼   ► salad those are both way better so I can be in any context in which I would [TS]

01:46:01 ◼   ► choose egg salad with chicken or tuna salad or cream cheese or any other [TS]

01:46:06 ◼   ► league sandwich topping were available I I like all of those things those are all [TS]

01:46:11 ◼   ► good I feel like you have to mix it up you don't have the same thing every day [TS]

01:46:14 ◼   ► you know maybe maybe your place that makes better chance than a cake so you [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► cannot turn your nose up that I have never had egg salad that was good enough [TS]

01:46:23 ◼   ► to overcome decent chickens out like I've had i think is fine but that's the [TS]

01:46:30 ◼   ► most I've ever thought about six hours it's fine in other forms like I love [TS]

01:46:33 ◼   ► deviled eggs which are very similar really in a deviled eggs have a lot of [TS]

01:46:37 ◼   ► similarities in taste and ingredients to exile just in different shape and [TS]

01:46:41 ◼   ► preparation but you know I love Asian other forms just egg salad is it's just [TS]

01:46:49 ◼   ► so mediocre compared to the other options that it's usually next to its [TS]

01:46:55 ◼   ► exiled is the sesame bagel of the salad [TS]

01:46:59 ◼   ► come out against sesame bagels [TS]

01:47:03 ◼   ► Abbott sesame bagels but you have to send email there one of the greatest [TS]

01:47:08 ◼   ► bagels [TS]

01:47:09 ◼   ► what I have against them is similar to have against a stout it's not worth it [TS]

01:47:12 ◼   ► when you have better options nearby so it's like a sesame bagel is fine I've [TS]

01:47:17 ◼   ► had many emails in my life [TS]

01:47:18 ◼   ► they're fine chocolate cake for every meal every me john john you've been out [TS]

01:47:27 ◼   ► of new york particular lost touch it it's no I am the only one here who is in [TS]

01:47:32 ◼   ► touch you got use in Virginia and we've got him is coming around the world [TS]

01:47:36 ◼   ► outside of bagels who was only recently which one of us goes to build up every [TS]

01:47:42 ◼   ► day in New York oh that's right I i'm saying I guess you're coming from Ohio [TS]

01:47:46 ◼   ► or average is trying to figure out this crazy new world and making it up as you [TS]

01:47:50 ◼   ► go along the way it is why would you go get a sesame bagel with egg salad again [TS]

01:47:58 ◼   ► sesame bagels and against the exam is not a position you want to stake out to [TS]

01:48:03 ◼   ► an everything bagel with chickens out which is right next to those two you [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► can't have everything on it you're always going to have never done [TS]

01:48:11 ◼   ► everything big wasn't great but the whole idea that every single time you [TS]

01:48:14 ◼   ► have it you have the most you know the best topping the big with the most stuff [TS]

01:48:19 ◼   ► on it sometimes you gotta have you know there's a certain place for the poppy [TS]

01:48:24 ◼   ► seed bagel sometimes you can have the plane bigger why would anyone there have [TS]

01:48:27 ◼   ► a plain bagel people do it happens sometimes that's the right combination [TS]

01:48:31 ◼   ► by not getting the really expensive tests you still getting the everything [TS]

01:48:39 ◼   ► bagel with chicken salad because you can't bring yourself to have anything [TS]

01:48:42 ◼   ► that you consider lesser but they're not lesser they're just different I mean I i [TS]

01:48:46 ◼   ► have different big orders like I love a toasted bagel with butter and if you're [TS]

01:48:50 ◼   ► gonna love butter everything is a good choice but so is rye or pumpernickel [TS]

01:48:54 ◼   ► everything to make anything anyway because those things are actually good [TS]

01:49:02 ◼   ► bagels are like they're like I would say a properly a proper toasted rye bagel [TS]

01:49:07 ◼   ► with butter is just as good as it has everything bagel with butter but a [TS]

01:49:12 ◼   ► sesame bagel is like the plane go to the dakotas his again either plaintively [TS]

01:49:16 ◼   ► and the topping is included in everything and itself has almost no [TS]

01:49:22 ◼   ► taste [TS]

01:49:23 ◼   ► got everything it's already trying to find some common ground here [TS]

01:49:29 ◼   ► caraway seeds and everything bagels yes I now know what I could just making sure [TS]

01:49:33 ◼   ► that some people some people want that know everything bagels require five [TS]

01:49:37 ◼   ► things sesame poppy garlic onion salt it is missing any of those things don't [TS]

01:49:41 ◼   ► leave out the salt midwestern people it is missing any of those things it is not [TS]

01:49:45 ◼   ► a proper everything bagel some people like the caraway seeds I gotta say no to [TS]

01:49:48 ◼   ► that also some people put some flowers he done which is illegal now forget [TS]

01:49:52 ◼   ► about the snow on there I can't handle it comes to John you're so out of touch [TS]

01:49:59 ◼   ► it it's the only one who's in touch on the only one with authentic bagel [TS]

01:50:05 ◼   ► experience in Connecticut have gotten nothing and Marco is [TS]

01:50:08 ◼   ► tourists will see big leading world email John this weekend tell you what [TS]

01:50:14 ◼   ► she was right [TS]

01:50:15 ◼   ► leading world it's not it's not a democracy is the people who live in the [TS]

01:50:18 ◼   ► New York metro area and everybody else and everyone else is wrong and we are [TS]

01:50:21 ◼   ► right we don't live in the New York metro area I did I lived there I am I'm [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► from there I will it will never leave me he can take whatever out of new york you [TS]

01:50:31 ◼   ► know that you left it and I'm here today I can I can I can it's a Christmas [TS]

01:50:43 ◼   ► miracle [TS]

01:50:45 ◼   ► John so much right now this is terrible [TS]

01:50:50 ◼   ► this really is worse than the like 90 windows thing I now i cant believe me [TS]

01:50:57 ◼   ► bagels seriously protesters outside your house a sesame bagel with egg salad [TS]

01:51:02 ◼   ► terrible it's so boring I don't have a sesame CII absurd it's like pairing you [TS]

01:51:08 ◼   ► know pairing wine with meals no its not that that's that's kill yo yesterday yet [TS]

01:51:13 ◼   ► that's where you're wrong you don't even understand you don't even know this is a [TS]

01:51:15 ◼   ► skill that you can have let alone have the skills they pairing lightly flavored [TS]

01:51:19 ◼   ► water sharing the bagel with the thing you put on it is a skill I agree I just [TS]

01:51:25 ◼   ► don't think you have everything goes on an everything bagel right here I will I [TS]

01:51:30 ◼   ► will fix this Marco do you or do you not put locks on a bagel [TS]

01:51:35 ◼   ► I don't I don't like fish box but I recognize that you've ruined my many [TS]

01:51:41 ◼   ► people love putting lox and bagels and were I to choose a bagel for locks [TS]

01:51:46 ◼   ► everything will be pretty high on the list cuz I know people like that kind of [TS]

01:51:49 ◼   ► like salt garlic onion flavor with the loss I know it's a very common [TS]

01:51:53 ◼   ► combination John do would you do lox and bagel you know that finally we agree you [TS]

01:51:59 ◼   ► too so ignorant but I just don't like fish when it's [TS]

01:52:04 ◼   ► I have tried like I know what I'm missing and i'd like every time I said I [TS]

01:52:09 ◼   ► like fish for four years like if you have to have a good for everyone [TS]

01:52:13 ◼   ► good fish seems like I don't like sushi either there's some overlap there and [TS]

01:52:17 ◼   ► ever so you haven't had good sushi and eventually somebody brings me to a place [TS]

01:52:21 ◼   ► where they say ok this is good next thing I don't like I try it and I get I [TS]

01:52:26 ◼   ► give it an honest shot and I hardly ever end up liking it but at least I but I [TS]

01:52:31 ◼   ► can at least in an okay i atleast know what I'm missing now I N I have [TS]

01:52:36 ◼   ► confirmed that I honestly don't like this but I've had the good thing maybe I [TS]

01:52:40 ◼   ► can see why you like it you know but I can't see why anybody ever order [TS]

01:52:45 ◼   ► acceptable for anything that's why I tried to call you when I'm there it [TS]

01:52:50 ◼   ► seems like if you were going to be a big ol you might as well just get plane or [TS]

01:52:53 ◼   ► if you if you want if you want flavor and stuff you get everything can all [TS]

01:52:57 ◼   ► agree on sesame only you are agreeing on sesame and the rest of the New York [TS]

01:53:03 ◼   ► metro area is not a state to meet the sesame bagel is it's like that that's [TS]

01:53:08 ◼   ► like that's what the duck computer that's my favorite kind of bagel like I [TS]

01:53:12 ◼   ► like them all but he would you put on it in your expert bagel pairing experience [TS]

01:53:17 ◼   ► things the things that pair well with me [TS]

01:53:20 ◼   ► surveyed with butter on it is very nice to meet with two very nice if I had to [TS]

01:53:27 ◼   ► get to consolidate your daily I would probably go with us [TS]

01:53:27 ◼   ► get to consolidate your daily I would probably go with us [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► your shopping done I think but I haven't wrapped everything yet and so that [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► always leaves me wondering like maybe I forgot something or somebody or I didn't [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► get enough for somebody or something so it's always a baseline level of stress [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► mode is very worried about not having gotten somebody something or enough [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► that's why you have a spreadsheet to track these sorts of things that would [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► be wise if I was thinking that far ahead yes I will I agree that that's the kind [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► of thing I should do I assume john has just a series of scripts to figure out [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► what to buy people now I don't do anything I was thinking maybe you would [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► have just a large number of Windows I've met that would be merry you like maybe [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► like one window that has like 50000 tabs right in it that was just like one tab [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► for every person I've ever known for each gift that you might someday maybe [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► wanna get them plus the one you did get them to the path for comparison a [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► reference accident does make a lot of money that you need burndown chart for a [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► number of gifts you have to buy other people [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► burndown chart I was meant to say there's no way market knows that it is a [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► nice who doesn't like business yeah not suffer development thing but also a [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► business thing what happens in a burned-out try to me it sounds really [TS]