Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► From RelayFam, this is Connected, episode 465.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Cleamam X, Fast Growing Trees,

00:00:15 ◼   ► and Nom Nom.

00:00:16 ◼   ► One of your returning co-hosts, Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:20 ◼   ► And it's my pleasure to introduce Steven Hackett.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hello, Steven.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hey, man.

00:00:24 ◼   ► It's been a minute since we've been on the show together.

00:00:27 ◼   ► I know, right?

00:00:28 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:29 ◼   ► How's your family?

00:00:29 ◼   ► Great.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Great.

00:00:31 ◼   ► You sound refreshed.

00:00:33 ◼   ► I am refreshed.

00:00:34 ◼   ► I am relaxed.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I mean, I have a vibe going at the moment, you know?

00:00:39 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm good.

00:00:41 ◼   ► I'm good.

00:00:41 ◼   ► I'm writing the iOS review.

00:00:43 ◼   ► It's good.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Good time.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Good time to be on the show.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Good.

00:00:48 ◼   ► We are also joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.

00:00:51 ◼   ► I thought about pretending not to be here.

00:00:55 ◼   ► You know, I thought that would be funny.

00:00:56 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not.

00:00:57 ◼   ► But then I gave up.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Because I can't actually keep my mouth closed for more than five minutes.

00:01:02 ◼   ► So, you know, that's the problem.

00:01:05 ◼   ► That even if I sat here and pretended, I wouldn't last for very long.

00:01:09 ◼   ► So we can just kind of give it up, you know?

00:01:10 ◼   ► Have you ever considered a silent retreat?

00:01:13 ◼   ► Do you think I could manage?

00:01:15 ◼   ► Can you imagine me on a silent retreat?

00:01:17 ◼   ► I wouldn't last 20 minutes.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Maybe that's something you need to fix.

00:01:22 ◼   ► No, I've never considered that.

00:01:24 ◼   ► I've never considered that.

00:01:25 ◼   ► I don't think I could handle that.

00:01:27 ◼   ► Nor would I want to.

00:01:29 ◼   ► I would like to go on a noisy retreat.

00:01:31 ◼   ► Hey, that's just going to the city.

00:01:33 ◼   ► I was going to say, that's just every time you go outside.

00:01:36 ◼   ► That's just my life, man.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Ah, no, but it's me making all the noise.

00:01:40 ◼   ► Like, that's not usually what I do when I go outside.

00:01:42 ◼   ► Interesting, interesting.

00:01:44 ◼   ► So that's what your brain thinks about.

00:01:46 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:47 ◼   ► It's because, you know, good information.

00:01:49 ◼   ► The most noise possible.

00:01:50 ◼   ► That's what I would like to make.

00:01:51 ◼   ► But what matters today is that we are all back together.

00:01:56 ◼   ► We are.

00:01:57 ◼   ► You're back from the beach.

00:02:00 ◼   ► I was pretty sick last week,

00:02:02 ◼   ► so no one needed to hear my voice last week.

00:02:04 ◼   ► Mike's here.

00:02:06 ◼   ► It's all good.

00:02:07 ◼   ► I'm the constant currently.

00:02:09 ◼   ► You, yeah, you are.

00:02:10 ◼   ► I'm the one that can be relied upon.

00:02:12 ◼   ► I am the constant.

00:02:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:13 ◼   ► You watch how sick I get now.

00:02:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:02:15 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:02:16 ◼   ► You're coming to Memphis in three weeks.

00:02:19 ◼   ► Don't put that energy.

00:02:20 ◼   ► Bad time of the year to get sick, right?

00:02:22 ◼   ► Bad time of the year.

00:02:22 ◼   ► Don't put that energy out there.

00:02:24 ◼   ► We got a lot of feedback.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Mike, you mentioned on a previous episode

00:02:29 ◼   ► maybe wanting to get into 3D printing.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Thank you everyone who sent in feedback via the form.

00:02:36 ◼   ► That's the best way to get feedback to us.

00:02:37 ◼   ► Mike, where is that feedback form?

00:02:39 ◼   ► How can people find it?

00:02:40 ◼   ► Connectedfeedback.com.

00:02:42 ◼   ► That's right.

00:02:43 ◼   ► There's also a link in the show notes each and every week.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Wait, there's also, we also have a funny one, right?

00:02:47 ◼   ► Is it 123feedback.com?

00:02:50 ◼   ► Sure.

00:02:51 ◼   ► That sounds about right.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Nope, no, it's not that.

00:02:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:02:55 ◼   ► It's not that.

00:02:55 ◼   ► But should it be?

00:02:56 ◼   ► It's not that.

00:02:57 ◼   ► I don't know what it is.

00:02:58 ◼   ► Should it be though?

00:02:59 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:03:00 ◼   ► There's another domain now,

00:03:00 ◼   ► but I just don't remember what it is.

00:03:01 ◼   ► This website may be impersonating 123feedback.com

00:03:05 ◼   ► to steal your personal financial information.

00:03:07 ◼   ► You should go back to the previous page.

00:03:09 ◼   ► You should go back.

00:03:10 ◼   ► Don't go there, go back.

00:03:11 ◼   ► I'm not looking at whatever that is.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Don't go there alone, you know?

00:03:16 ◼   ► Do it with your family around.

00:03:17 ◼   ► So many people send in feedback.

00:03:19 ◼   ► It basically fell into two buckets.

00:03:20 ◼   ► A bunch of people recommended the, I guess, Prusa, P-R-U-S-A.

00:03:25 ◼   ► I think it's Prusa.

00:03:26 ◼   ► Prusa Mark III or the new one, the Mark IV.

00:03:29 ◼   ► I've got the Mark IV and I absolutely love it.

00:03:34 ◼   ► You can get it as a kit you build yourself

00:03:36 ◼   ► or you can get it pre-built, which is what I did

00:03:39 ◼   ► because I was afraid of putting it together incorrectly.

00:03:43 ◼   ► I saw someone build one of these on Instagram recently

00:03:45 ◼   ► and it was terrifying.

00:03:47 ◼   ► Yeah, so I spent a bit more to get it pre-built

00:03:51 ◼   ► but I've been very happy with it.

00:03:53 ◼   ► And it is, basically with 3D printing,

00:03:57 ◼   ► the more you spend, not only the nicer the machine is

00:04:00 ◼   ► but the more it can do for you.

00:04:01 ◼   ► So it does a lot of its measuring and setup

00:04:06 ◼   ► and it has some like orientation stuff to check each time.

00:04:09 ◼   ► It basically handles a lot of that for you

00:04:11 ◼   ► where a lot of less expensive printers,

00:04:13 ◼   ► you're doing a lot of that manually

00:04:15 ◼   ► and there's more room for error.

00:04:17 ◼   ► So the Prusa got a bunch of votes.

00:04:19 ◼   ► The other one that got a bunch of votes

00:04:21 ◼   ► and I looked at this but I went for the Prusa

00:04:24 ◼   ► is the Bamboo Lab X1 Carbon.

00:04:28 ◼   ► Now they have several different printers.

00:04:31 ◼   ► They look pretty different from the Prusa

00:04:32 ◼   ► 'cause these are enclosed

00:04:34 ◼   ► but a lot of people also liked this brand.

00:04:37 ◼   ► I don't have any firsthand experience with it

00:04:39 ◼   ► but it looks like another great product

00:04:41 ◼   ► and they're comparable in price.

00:04:42 ◼   ► Like they're sort of in the same,

00:04:44 ◼   ► you know, prosumer tier of 3D printer.

00:04:48 ◼   ► - I am more drawn to the Bamboo Lab, purely on aesthetics.

00:04:52 ◼   ► Like the Bamboo Lab printer looks like,

00:04:54 ◼   ► oh, this is a cool thing.

00:04:55 ◼   ► The Prusa looks like someone built it

00:04:57 ◼   ► out of things they found in the garage.

00:04:58 ◼   ► - They did and in fact, parts of the Prusa are 3D printed.

00:05:02 ◼   ► So like if something breaks,

00:05:05 ◼   ► you can print a new part for yourself.

00:05:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, but how?

00:05:08 ◼   ► 'Cause it's broken. - Well, yeah.

00:05:09 ◼   ► I mean, I guess so.

00:05:10 ◼   ► And it's like black and orange.

00:05:11 ◼   ► The Prusa is my aesthetic, right?

00:05:12 ◼   ► It looks great in my studio.

00:05:14 ◼   ► I've been really happy with it.

00:05:15 ◼   ► But I just can't, like what I can't fathom

00:05:20 ◼   ► is like this Prusa is a thousand pounds

00:05:23 ◼   ► and the Bamboo Lab is 1300 pounds.

00:05:25 ◼   ► The Prusa looks like half price wise.

00:05:28 ◼   ► Like if you just look at these things, right?

00:05:30 ◼   ► You're just like, no, the Bamboo Lab looks

00:05:32 ◼   ► like it costs what it costs.

00:05:34 ◼   ► I'm actually kind of surprised

00:05:35 ◼   ► that the Prusa costs as much as it costs

00:05:37 ◼   ► but I'm not gonna get into this for a while, but.

00:05:39 ◼   ► - We have some real time feedback from OTJ

00:05:43 ◼   ► who sent us a link.

00:05:45 ◼   ► 3D print, the title, this is a Verge story.

00:05:48 ◼   ► 3D printer nightmare fuel.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Bamboo X1C and P1P started printing

00:05:55 ◼   ► while owners were asleep.

00:05:57 ◼   ► - Bamboo says it's keenly aware

00:06:01 ◼   ► and deeply concerned by this behavior.

00:06:03 ◼   ► This sounds exciting.

00:06:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause these things you can,

00:06:06 ◼   ► at least the Prusa, I'm sure the Bamboo works the same way.

00:06:09 ◼   ► You can put it online.

00:06:11 ◼   ► And so you can like set up a print job in a browser

00:06:15 ◼   ► or in their companion app.

00:06:17 ◼   ► Mine, I did not put on my network.

00:06:19 ◼   ► And so when I want to print something,

00:06:20 ◼   ► I have to save files to a USB drive

00:06:22 ◼   ► and then go plug it in.

00:06:24 ◼   ► But who would want that thing on the internet?

00:06:25 ◼   ► So that's a little upsetting.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, this isn't in my immediate future,

00:06:32 ◼   ► but like it's something I think I would like at some point.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I would like to see yours when I come to Memphis.

00:06:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just out right behind me, so.

00:06:41 ◼   ► - Can someone tell me about the PlayStation portal?

00:06:44 ◼   ► Because I've tried reading about this

00:06:47 ◼   ► and I don't think I understand what it's for.

00:06:50 ◼   ► - So you're not the PlayStation, right?

00:06:52 ◼   ► - I do know, I'm aware of the PlayStation, yes.

00:06:55 ◼   ► - Okay. - There's this company

00:06:56 ◼   ► called Sony.

00:06:57 ◼   ► - I edited that episode and I left all the video games talking.

00:07:01 ◼   ► - If you don't know what this thing is at all, Steven,

00:07:02 ◼   ► then I'm gonna assume that you weren't listening fully.

00:07:06 ◼   ► - I mean, I know that it's remote play, right?

00:07:08 ◼   ► Like that's- - Right.

00:07:09 ◼   ► - Okay, okay, so you have knowledge.

00:07:11 ◼   ► - Or you're just reading this blog post, I'm not sure.

00:07:13 ◼   ► - It's remote play, but like, why would you want this

00:07:16 ◼   ► instead of something like a Steam Deck?

00:07:17 ◼   ► That's the whole thing.

00:07:18 ◼   ► - Aha.

00:07:20 ◼   ► - 'Cause it can't play PlayStation games.

00:07:21 ◼   ► - Okay, so it's the content.

00:07:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, technically like on a Steam Deck,

00:07:26 ◼   ► you can install a third party remote play client,

00:07:30 ◼   ► but like it's a bit of an involved process

00:07:34 ◼   ► and it's gonna have limitations in terms of stream quality.

00:07:37 ◼   ► Whereas with the portal, which is this new $200 device,

00:07:42 ◼   ► Sony is sort of advertising a couple of benefits here.

00:07:45 ◼   ► You will be able to have 80, what is it?

00:07:50 ◼   ► 1080p streaming at 60 frames per second

00:07:52 ◼   ► with the ability to wake up your PS5 on your local network

00:07:57 ◼   ► to play games instantly.

00:07:59 ◼   ► And they're also gonna introduce this new audio

00:08:02 ◼   ► sort of protocol called PlayStation Link,

00:08:06 ◼   ► which on the regular PlayStation 5

00:08:09 ◼   ► will require a separate USB dongle to plug into your PS5.

00:08:13 ◼   ► - I did read about that, yeah.

00:08:15 ◼   ► - The rumors are pointing to the future PS5 slim revision,

00:08:19 ◼   ► having this PlayStation Link support built in.

00:08:22 ◼   ► It will essentially enable this quote unquote,

00:08:25 ◼   ► lossless audio and very low latency audio

00:08:28 ◼   ► with the compatible headphones that Sony is making.

00:08:32 ◼   ► These headphones having been built with this specific drivers

00:08:37 ◼   ► that most likely Sony built alongside Odyssey,

00:08:45 ◼   ► which is this audio company

00:08:47 ◼   ► that they also acquired last week.

00:08:50 ◼   ► So yeah, but basically the appeal of the portal

00:08:52 ◼   ► is for people like me, for example,

00:08:55 ◼   ► where I have my PS5 in the living room

00:08:58 ◼   ► and most of my gaming time is at night.

00:09:00 ◼   ► And usually when I wanna play a game on my PlayStation

00:09:03 ◼   ► and Sylvia is sleeping

00:09:05 ◼   ► and I have a couple of hours for myself

00:09:06 ◼   ► because I go to bed later than Sylvia,

00:09:09 ◼   ► I could go back to the living room and just play by myself.

00:09:12 ◼   ► However, my problem is that if I go to the living room,

00:09:15 ◼   ► I'm still gonna make noises,

00:09:17 ◼   ► just walking around and opening the cabinet

00:09:21 ◼   ► where the PS5 is.

00:09:22 ◼   ► And the other issue is my dogs are gonna get curious

00:09:26 ◼   ► and they're gonna walk back and forth

00:09:29 ◼   ► between the bedroom and the living room to check on me.

00:09:31 ◼   ► They're like, "Hey, why are you here?"

00:09:33 ◼   ► And mom is in bed and they do this all the time.

00:09:36 ◼   ► So ideally I would prefer to play PlayStation games in bed,

00:09:41 ◼   ► but without bothering my partner.

00:09:46 ◼   ► So this is the appeal, for example,

00:09:48 ◼   ► you can play on a tiny screen, but it's still a PS5 game.

00:09:52 ◼   ► And you don't have the technical limitations

00:09:54 ◼   ► of say a Steam Deck running Chiaki,

00:09:56 ◼   ► which is this third party client for remote play.

00:09:59 ◼   ► - And $200 is the new piece of information

00:10:03 ◼   ► from last week and the name.

00:10:05 ◼   ► And that's what I feel like to me,

00:10:08 ◼   ► that is on the high end of my sweet spot.

00:10:11 ◼   ► Like 200 is like, okay.

00:10:14 ◼   ► I'm gonna get one of these now,

00:10:16 ◼   ► like that was the last thing I needed

00:10:18 ◼   ► where it was like, yeah, okay, that's not too bad.

00:10:21 ◼   ► And an eight inch screen,

00:10:23 ◼   ► we're talking like Nintendo Switch kind of sides.

00:10:25 ◼   ► And obviously it's not an OLED like the Switch is,

00:10:27 ◼   ► but I'm intrigued about this.

00:10:29 ◼   ► And I think it's kind of priced

00:10:32 ◼   ► just about where it needs to be.

00:10:35 ◼   ► I would say like, I see a lot of people that are like,

00:10:37 ◼   ► this thing's wild, what is the point of this?

00:10:40 ◼   ► Like, I don't understand that outrage.

00:10:42 ◼   ► I do think that the lack of Bluetooth is like annoying.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Like I support the idea of the PlayStation link thing.

00:10:50 ◼   ► Like I think that's cool, right?

00:10:51 ◼   ► It's like it's solving an interesting set of problems

00:10:53 ◼   ► of like low latency and stuff.

00:10:55 ◼   ► It should also have Bluetooth though.

00:10:57 ◼   ► Like, you know what I mean?

00:10:58 ◼   ► Like we shouldn't only have the PlayStation link thing,

00:11:02 ◼   ► but realistically it also does have a headphone jack on it

00:11:05 ◼   ► too, so it's not like it has nothing.

00:11:07 ◼   ► Like, so there are ways to still get the audio.

00:11:09 ◼   ► But anyway, I'm very intrigued about this

00:11:11 ◼   ► and it's priced at a, for consumer technology,

00:11:16 ◼   ► a level that is like, okay, I'll give this a go

00:11:20 ◼   ► for that price.

00:11:21 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Some real time breaking news.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Mark Gurman is reporting that Apple is looking at 3D printing

00:11:29 ◼   ► to make devices and major manufacturing shift.

00:11:33 ◼   ► And apparently some of these parts could come as soon

00:11:36 ◼   ► as the stainless steel Apple Watch Series 9.

00:11:39 ◼   ► - So what, you'll be able to 3D print an Apple Watch at home?

00:11:42 ◼   ► Like you'll just pay Apple for like the schematic

00:11:44 ◼   ► or whatever and like you just don't even need

00:11:46 ◼   ► to go to them anymore?

00:11:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's gonna be sweet.

00:11:48 ◼   ► - Love it.

00:11:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:11:50 ◼   ► - I mean, this is like 3D printing, right?

00:11:54 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:11:55 ◼   ► - Like there is 3D printing in like major manufacturer

00:11:58 ◼   ► already where you could like 3D print metal

00:12:01 ◼   ► and it's not like it's got that like texture running

00:12:03 ◼   ► through it like regular 3D printing does.

00:12:06 ◼   ► Can you imagine you get your next iPhone

00:12:07 ◼   ► and it's like 3D printed plastic?

00:12:11 ◼   ► - I saw this post by Mark appear on Mastodon.

00:12:16 ◼   ► Ivory was opening the background and my brain,

00:12:18 ◼   ► so the post says Apple design a major shift

00:12:22 ◼   ► on how to produce products working on 3D printing

00:12:25 ◼   ► of device bodies.

00:12:26 ◼   ► My brain quickly skinned the post and read it

00:12:30 ◼   ► as working on 3D printing bodies.

00:12:32 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:12:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:12:35 ◼   ► I love it.

00:12:36 ◼   ► - And yeah, I was very confused for a second.

00:12:39 ◼   ► - I'm gonna have to say there was no like,

00:12:41 ◼   ► I didn't have an anonymous informant.

00:12:43 ◼   ► It's not why I was asking about 3D printing.

00:12:45 ◼   ► I had no idea that this was coming.

00:12:46 ◼   ► That is a very strange,

00:12:48 ◼   ► it's very strange that this is hit right now.

00:12:50 ◼   ► Do you think Mark's listening?

00:12:51 ◼   ► Hi Mark.

00:12:51 ◼   ► - Do you think he's listening?

00:12:53 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe he's out there.

00:12:56 ◼   ► - Hey.

00:12:57 ◼   ► - Hey.

00:12:57 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:12:58 ◼   ► - Hey guys.

00:12:59 ◼   ► - Hi.

00:13:00 ◼   ► - Hey, can I tell you about the work of St. Jude?

00:13:01 ◼   ► I would love to do that.

00:13:02 ◼   ► - Please tell us all about it.

00:13:03 ◼   ► - Because September, which is basically here,

00:13:07 ◼   ► it's childhood cancer.

00:13:08 ◼   ► - It's basically September.

00:13:09 ◼   ► - September never ends.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Wait, no, that's not the song lyric.

00:13:12 ◼   ► Did I mess up that reference?

00:13:13 ◼   ► - Wake me up.

00:13:14 ◼   ► - Wake me up when September ends.

00:13:17 ◼   ► - Wake me up.

00:13:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:13:21 ◼   ► - Shave me.

00:13:22 ◼   ► - Different song, different song.

00:13:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, we've now, we're doing a mashup.

00:13:29 ◼   ► I'll be awake all of September

00:13:30 ◼   ► because September is childhood cancer awareness month.

00:13:33 ◼   ► And for the fifth year in a row, that's one, two, three,

00:13:36 ◼   ► four, five, the Relay FM community is coming together

00:13:40 ◼   ► to support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:13:43 ◼   ► When I say coming together, well, what does that mean?

00:13:46 ◼   ► Well, in the previous four years, collectively,

00:13:48 ◼   ► we have raised $2.2 million for the work of St. Jude

00:13:52 ◼   ► Children's Research Hospital,

00:13:53 ◼   ► which is an astronomical amount of money.

00:13:56 ◼   ► We're on the verge of 2.5 million this year.

00:13:59 ◼   ► This is super important because St. Jude

00:14:01 ◼   ► won't stop their life-saving work

00:14:02 ◼   ► until no child dies from cancer.

00:14:05 ◼   ► With your support, dear listener,

00:14:07 ◼   ► we'll be one step closer to that day,

00:14:09 ◼   ► one cure closer, one child closer.

00:14:13 ◼   ► I wanna tell you a little bit about St. Jude.

00:14:16 ◼   ► St. Jude opened its doors in 1962.

00:14:20 ◼   ► Believe it or not, I wasn't around then,

00:14:22 ◼   ► but back then, childhood cancer

00:14:24 ◼   ► was largely considered incurable.

00:14:27 ◼   ► This mission that they had was a real moonshot.

00:14:32 ◼   ► But today, treatments developed at St. Jude

00:14:35 ◼   ► have helped push the overall cancer survival rate

00:14:37 ◼   ► from 20% to more than 80% since opening.

00:14:42 ◼   ► But that's not 100%.

00:14:44 ◼   ► So there is still work to do.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Pediatric cancer is the leading cause of death by disease

00:14:50 ◼   ► among US children ages 14 and younger.

00:14:53 ◼   ► And we all believe that every child deserves a chance

00:14:56 ◼   ► to live their life and celebrate every moment.

00:14:59 ◼   ► When you support St. Jude,

00:15:01 ◼   ► you are helping make cures possible for kids with cancer

00:15:04 ◼   ► like my oldest son, whose life was saved at St. Jude.

00:15:08 ◼   ► This September, we ask you to join Relay FM

00:15:10 ◼   ► in showing support for St. Jude

00:15:12 ◼   ► and Childhood Cancer Awareness Month

00:15:14 ◼   ► by going to stjude.org/relay.

00:15:18 ◼   ► The link is in the show notes.

00:15:21 ◼   ► There you can donate directly.

00:15:23 ◼   ► You can start your own campaign and fundraise

00:15:26 ◼   ► through your school or civic organization

00:15:28 ◼   ► or neighborhood or friends and family.

00:15:31 ◼   ► You can set up a matching gift.

00:15:32 ◼   ► So if you want to say, "Hey, for the next $500,

00:15:37 ◼   ► "I will match it with my own gift."

00:15:39 ◼   ► All sorts of things you can do, donor-advised funds.

00:15:42 ◼   ► A big thing I know in our audience is the ability

00:15:45 ◼   ► to have your company match your donation.

00:15:48 ◼   ► So a lot of companies do this.

00:15:49 ◼   ► We make it really easy to do that at stjude.org/relay.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Lots of good stuff.

00:15:54 ◼   ► Mike, can you tell people a little bit about

00:15:56 ◼   ► what's coming up in terms of live stream and events?

00:15:59 ◼   ► - Throughout the month of September,

00:16:00 ◼   ► we'll be doing a bunch of streams and content.

00:16:02 ◼   ► Obviously, we have the podcast with them.

00:16:04 ◼   ► We'll talk about that in a minute.

00:16:05 ◼   ► But there's stuff that me and Steven

00:16:07 ◼   ► and others in the Relay FM host community

00:16:10 ◼   ► will be participating in.

00:16:12 ◼   ► So I am gonna be playing Starfield this Friday.

00:16:17 ◼   ► So that's when Starfield Early Access comes out.

00:16:19 ◼   ► So you'll be able to join me at 12 p.m. US Eastern,

00:16:24 ◼   ► 9 Pacific, that's five British summertime.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Up mike.live, I'm gonna be playing Starfield

00:16:30 ◼   ► for the first time, so it'll be blast enough.

00:16:31 ◼   ► And you can come hang out with me for a few hours.

00:16:34 ◼   ► We'll play some Starfield.

00:16:35 ◼   ► We'll talk about the work at St. Jude.

00:16:36 ◼   ► We'll have a great time.

00:16:38 ◼   ► - And then Steven is gonna be also doing a stream

00:16:41 ◼   ► where he is, for reasons that will become apparent

00:16:44 ◼   ► later on in the month, disassembling a MacBook.

00:16:48 ◼   ► This is a MacBook, right?

00:16:49 ◼   ► - Yes, yep.

00:16:50 ◼   ► - The white plastic polycarbonate MacBook.

00:16:52 ◼   ► He's gonna be taking one of those apart

00:16:54 ◼   ► and he's going to try and do it from memory

00:16:56 ◼   ► because Steven used to take apart a lot of these

00:16:58 ◼   ► when he was an Apple genius.

00:16:59 ◼   ► That's gonna be on Saturday, September 2nd,

00:17:03 ◼   ► at 1 p.m. US Eastern, 10 a.m. Pacific,

00:17:06 ◼   ► 6 p.m. British summertime.

00:17:08 ◼   ► And there's just a couple.

00:17:09 ◼   ► We've got a bunch of other stuff.

00:17:11 ◼   ► There's always milestones, streams that you can find

00:17:14 ◼   ► over at stjude.org/relay.

00:17:16 ◼   ► You can see the things that we've got.

00:17:17 ◼   ► There's new stuff going in all the time.

00:17:19 ◼   ► And this is just additional content,

00:17:21 ◼   ► additional fun stuff that we'll be able to do

00:17:23 ◼   ► as little thank yous throughout the month for you donating.

00:17:26 ◼   ► It also gives us an opportunity to spend more time

00:17:29 ◼   ► talking about the donations.

00:17:31 ◼   ► We're gonna be doing some Flight Sim streams.

00:17:33 ◼   ► We're gonna be doing a bunch of other stuff.

00:17:35 ◼   ► And the biggest event will be Podcastathon 5,

00:17:40 ◼   ► which is when, Steven?

00:17:43 ◼   ► - Friday, September 22nd, 12 noon Eastern,

00:17:48 ◼   ► all the way through midnight.

00:17:51 ◼   ► We're going 12 hours this year.

00:17:52 ◼   ► - 12 hours.

00:17:54 ◼   ► - 12 hours.

00:17:55 ◼   ► Seemed like a really good idea when we suggested it.

00:17:57 ◼   ► Now it's a little frightening.

00:17:58 ◼   ► - No, it's great.

00:17:59 ◼   ► Podcastathon 5 is 50% longer than any Podcastathon.

00:18:03 ◼   ► And it is 50% more bonkers.

00:18:06 ◼   ► I saw some of the stuff today, Mike, I was on campus,

00:18:08 ◼   ► actually recording an interview that's gonna be played

00:18:11 ◼   ► during the Podcastathon that I'm very proud of.

00:18:13 ◼   ► It's gonna be so much fun.

00:18:14 ◼   ► We will be joined in person by Jason and Kathy

00:18:19 ◼   ► as our co-host this year.

00:18:22 ◼   ► It's gonna be so much fun.

00:18:23 ◼   ► So take off work Friday, tell your family

00:18:26 ◼   ► you're gonna be watching a 12 hour live stream.

00:18:28 ◼   ► Friday, September 22nd.

00:18:30 ◼   ► We will be posting about this, both Mike and I

00:18:34 ◼   ► and Relay on Instagram and Mastodon and Threads.

00:18:37 ◼   ► You'll have lots of reminders for all of this stuff.

00:18:39 ◼   ► But the most important thing, stju.org/relay.

00:18:44 ◼   ► - I have two things I wanna mention

00:18:47 ◼   ► just before we move on about this.

00:18:48 ◼   ► So one is like people may be looking at the artwork

00:18:52 ◼   ► and they're like, this is really interesting.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Why are Mike and Steven so angry at each other?

00:18:56 ◼   ► Right, like if you look at the desk mats and stuff

00:18:59 ◼   ► that we're doing because also at stju.org/relay

00:19:01 ◼   ► not only can you donate, you can sign up to fundraise.

00:19:04 ◼   ► And if you fundraise, there are additional,

00:19:06 ◼   ► what do we call them?

00:19:08 ◼   ► Do we call them rewards for if you fundraise?

00:19:12 ◼   ► Relay FM, exclusive merchandise available to you

00:19:14 ◼   ► if you set up your own fundraiser,

00:19:16 ◼   ► which includes a desk mat.

00:19:17 ◼   ► And that desk mat has me and Steven in fighting pose

00:19:19 ◼   ► because the theme of Podcastathon 5 is Mike versus Steven.

00:19:24 ◼   ► That's the theme.

00:19:26 ◼   ► And so through actually beginning next week,

00:19:30 ◼   ► I think we'll begin the first point scoring things.

00:19:34 ◼   ► So we're gonna be integrating this into some of our shows

00:19:36 ◼   ► over the next couple of weeks where the,

00:19:39 ◼   ► really the overall thing the podcast has done

00:19:41 ◼   ► is a selection of activities and games

00:19:44 ◼   ► where Steven and I will be in competition

00:19:46 ◼   ► to crown the one true co-founder at the end of it.

00:19:51 ◼   ► What Steven doesn't know is the company goes to the winner.

00:19:54 ◼   ► - Oh, well.

00:19:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:19:57 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:19:57 ◼   ► - We're going real pro wrestling with this.

00:20:00 ◼   ► The winner gains control of the company.

00:20:02 ◼   ► That's what's gonna happen.

00:20:04 ◼   ► No, that part's not true,

00:20:05 ◼   ► but there is going to be Mike versus Steven

00:20:08 ◼   ► throughout the whole thing.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Go to stj.org/relay and you can learn a little bit more.

00:20:12 ◼   ► The second thing I have to mention before we continue is,

00:20:15 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:20:17 ◼   ► - Welcome back to the quizzes where I, Mike Hurley,

00:20:19 ◼   ► quiz my connected co-hosts on a selection of topics.

00:20:22 ◼   ► Today I have just one question for you both

00:20:25 ◼   ► and it's worth a total of 10 points.

00:20:27 ◼   ► The current scoring is Steven with 2010 points

00:20:32 ◼   ► and Federico with 1990 points.

00:20:35 ◼   ► You're actually really close to each other.

00:20:36 ◼   ► - That is really close.

00:20:38 ◼   ► - So these 10 points could make a big difference.

00:20:40 ◼   ► It's one question, you both give me your answer.

00:20:43 ◼   ► The question is, should listeners of this show

00:20:45 ◼   ► go to stj.org/relay and donate money?

00:20:48 ◼   ► Steven?

00:20:49 ◼   ► - Heck yes.

00:20:50 ◼   ► - Okay, Federico?

00:20:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:20:55 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:20:57 ◼   ► - Great, that's 10 points each.

00:20:58 ◼   ► Thank you so much for listening to this round of the quizzes.

00:21:01 ◼   ► - Good job everyone.

00:21:02 ◼   ► We have a little bit of follow out.

00:21:05 ◼   ► Mike and Jason were kind enough to invite me

00:21:07 ◼   ► on Monday's episode of Upgrade, Upgrade 474,

00:21:12 ◼   ► titled I'm not a doctor, I'm an auditor,

00:21:15 ◼   ► because I got to audit Jason's computing setup.

00:21:18 ◼   ► And so if you want to hear me go through his hardware

00:21:21 ◼   ► and his doc and his, what else are we talking about?

00:21:23 ◼   ► The menu bar and all sorts of stuff, go check that out.

00:21:27 ◼   ► It's always fun to join y'all, Mike, on Upgrade,

00:21:29 ◼   ► so thank you for having me.

00:21:31 ◼   ► - It was an episode of Upgrade that had a little sprinkling

00:21:34 ◼   ► of connected energy.

00:21:35 ◼   ► - Did have some connected energy, yeah.

00:21:38 ◼   ► Including Jason and I joking so much

00:21:40 ◼   ► that you couldn't start the show, which I enjoyed.

00:21:43 ◼   ► - That made it to a clip on Instagram, yep.

00:21:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause y'all have a social media manager

00:21:49 ◼   ► over there on Upgrade, very fancy.

00:21:51 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:21:52 ◼   ► - Also just, I want to give a shout out to our friend

00:21:54 ◼   ► David Sparks, today, Wednesday, August 30th,

00:21:56 ◼   ► he has launched his Obsidian Field Guide.

00:21:59 ◼   ► There's a couple links in the show notes to that.

00:22:01 ◼   ► And Sunday's Mac Power Users will be all about Obsidian

00:22:06 ◼   ► and his Field Guide and the process

00:22:09 ◼   ► and a whole bunch of great stuff.

00:22:10 ◼   ► It's a really good episode.

00:22:11 ◼   ► David works so incredibly hard.

00:22:14 ◼   ► This Field Guide took him like a year to do.

00:22:16 ◼   ► It's so much work, he does such a good job.

00:22:19 ◼   ► And so I wanted to shout it out here.

00:22:21 ◼   ► If you are using Obsidian,

00:22:23 ◼   ► you want to take it to the next level

00:22:24 ◼   ► or you're Obsidian curious,

00:22:26 ◼   ► the Field Guide is a great place to learn more about it.

00:22:30 ◼   ► And David just absolutely killed this one.

00:22:33 ◼   ► I've gone through it and it's fantastic.

00:22:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, I look forward to checking this one out.

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00:24:43 ◼   ► I wanted to highlight something

00:24:45 ◼   ► that our friend Rosemary Orchard and her team

00:24:48 ◼   ► over at Snailed It Development have been up to.

00:24:50 ◼   ► So I think we talked about this

00:24:52 ◼   ► when it happened earlier this year,

00:24:53 ◼   ► but developer Alex Hay, the developer behind such greats

00:24:57 ◼   ► as Toolbox Pro, Logger for Shortcuts, Nanomate

00:25:00 ◼   ► and a bunch of others,

00:25:01 ◼   ► unfortunately passed away earlier this year.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And there was a lot of, obviously a lot of love

00:25:08 ◼   ► and outpouring for him and his family,

00:25:11 ◼   ► but a lot of us were also curious

00:25:13 ◼   ► about what was going to happen to his apps

00:25:16 ◼   ► and Rosemary and Snailed It

00:25:19 ◼   ► have taken over those applications.

00:25:23 ◼   ► And so we have a blog post that they wrote

00:25:25 ◼   ► that's in the show notes.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Most excitingly to me is that Alex was actually

00:25:29 ◼   ► in the process of a big update to Toolbox Pro

00:25:32 ◼   ► and they plan on finishing and shipping that update.

00:25:36 ◼   ► So I just, I love the story.

00:25:38 ◼   ► I'm so glad these apps have a good home.

00:25:40 ◼   ► Federica, could you talk a little bit about these apps?

00:25:42 ◼   ► I know that you've covered Toolbox Pro and others

00:25:44 ◼   ► over on Mac stories over the years.

00:25:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, Alex was an incredibly talented developer,

00:25:51 ◼   ► especially, you know, I especially appreciated Alex's work

00:25:55 ◼   ► because of how skilled and knowledgeable he was

00:25:58 ◼   ► about shortcuts and sort of the entire iOS,

00:26:02 ◼   ► iPadOS and eventually Mac OS automation scene

00:26:05 ◼   ► powered by shortcuts and shortcuts actions.

00:26:07 ◼   ► And Toolbox Pro was truly some pioneering work

00:26:14 ◼   ► from Alex in terms of this idea of adding features

00:26:18 ◼   ► to shortcuts in the form of shortcuts actions

00:26:22 ◼   ► made by a third party app.

00:26:24 ◼   ► Toolbox Pro is what could be referred to as a,

00:26:28 ◼   ► sort of as a headless application in terms of that,

00:26:32 ◼   ► meaning that you don't open the Toolbox Pro app

00:26:35 ◼   ► to do anything.

00:26:36 ◼   ► It's just a container for shortcuts actions,

00:26:39 ◼   ► all kinds of shortcuts actions, right?

00:26:41 ◼   ► Most importantly, Toolbox Pro allowed the sort of

00:26:44 ◼   ► integrations that not even Apple itself

00:26:48 ◼   ► is building into shortcuts.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Things like Apple Music integrations, right?

00:26:52 ◼   ► Integration with the Apple Music Search API

00:26:54 ◼   ► and the Playback API.

00:26:56 ◼   ► And Toolbox Pro has hundreds, I want to say, of actions.

00:26:59 ◼   ► Things like creating interfaces.

00:27:02 ◼   ► You can do that with Toolbox Pro.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Searching the App Store, presenting lists,

00:27:07 ◼   ► and Logger was another shortcuts enabled,

00:27:10 ◼   ► sort of shortcuts based utility that allowed you

00:27:12 ◼   ► to have proper developer like outputs in a console.

00:27:17 ◼   ► So if you want to check on the error logs

00:27:21 ◼   ► for one of your shortcuts,

00:27:22 ◼   ► and you want to get more details about what happened,

00:27:25 ◼   ► you can install Logger and have a proper console

00:27:29 ◼   ► for your more advanced shortcuts.

00:27:30 ◼   ► And Automate, which I believe was Alex's most recent work,

00:27:34 ◼   ► is another shortcuts utility that exposes visual actions

00:27:40 ◼   ► for Notion, which is something that Notion,

00:27:43 ◼   ► very popular web service, doesn't have.

00:27:46 ◼   ► Notion doesn't offer any native sort of visual,

00:27:50 ◼   ► sort of do-it-yourself shortcuts actions.

00:27:52 ◼   ► It has an API.

00:27:53 ◼   ► However, getting started with that API

00:27:56 ◼   ► requires a lot of work.

00:27:57 ◼   ► And I know that because I have built some Notion shortcuts

00:28:00 ◼   ► with the sort of raw API, and it requires a lot of skill,

00:28:05 ◼   ► and a lot of knowledge.

00:28:06 ◼   ► And Automate simplifies all of that

00:28:08 ◼   ► with a bunch of visual actions.

00:28:10 ◼   ► So this is, I mean, given the tragic circumstances,

00:28:15 ◼   ► but it's such a great story of a developer's legacy living on

00:28:21 ◼   ► and sort of being passed on to another skilled team

00:28:25 ◼   ► of developers who truly care about automation.

00:28:28 ◼   ► I cannot wait to see what Rosemary and team do

00:28:33 ◼   ► in terms of preserving Alex's legacy

00:28:35 ◼   ► and continuing the work that Alex started years ago.

00:28:39 ◼   ► I believe Alex was already working on a version

00:28:41 ◼   ► of Toolbox Pro for macOS, for example.

00:28:43 ◼   ► So I am very keen to see where this goes,

00:28:47 ◼   ► and I'm just happy to know that these apps now have a home,

00:28:50 ◼   ► especially Toolbox Pro.

00:28:52 ◼   ► It's such a must-have utility

00:28:55 ◼   ► if you're a shortcuts power user.

00:28:56 ◼   ► So I'm glad to see this sort of come to be like this.

00:29:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's good community members too,

00:29:04 ◼   ► like it's in good hands, good stewardship.

00:29:09 ◼   ► It's very complicated, like emotionally,

00:29:14 ◼   ► like to both try and celebrate and commiserate something

00:29:17 ◼   ► at exactly the same time.

00:29:19 ◼   ► - Yes, exactly, yes.

00:29:20 ◼   ► - And I imagine that this is even more complicated

00:29:23 ◼   ► for the Snail Kit folks of like how to do this,

00:29:27 ◼   ► 'cause yeah, it's a difficult thing,

00:29:30 ◼   ► but it's also a good thing too.

00:29:34 ◼   ► - I have some real-time follow-up

00:29:35 ◼   ► about voicemail transcriptions.

00:29:37 ◼   ► We talked about this a couple of weeks ago,

00:29:39 ◼   ► and we were unsure if it was actually working or not,

00:29:42 ◼   ► but during the show, I got a phone call,

00:29:45 ◼   ► and I sent it to voicemail and reached over.

00:29:48 ◼   ► - This is the fake voicemail though, right?

00:29:49 ◼   ► This is the non-real voicemail, okay.

00:29:52 ◼   ► - They are leaving a message,

00:29:54 ◼   ► and your iPhone lock screen is transcribing it for you.

00:29:57 ◼   ► And I think for the first time, I'm on Beta 8 now,

00:30:00 ◼   ► which came out yesterday, it worked.

00:30:01 ◼   ► So I could see the voicemail that my family member

00:30:03 ◼   ► was leaving me as I was recording.

00:30:06 ◼   ► So I don't have to worry if something's wrong.

00:30:07 ◼   ► I now know what's up, and they even said,

00:30:09 ◼   ► "I know you're probably recording, but blah, blah, blah."

00:30:12 ◼   ► Pretty sweet.

00:30:13 ◼   ► So for the first time I've seen this work,

00:30:15 ◼   ► and now I'm not like worried that something's wrong,

00:30:19 ◼   ► trying to check a voicemail during the show.

00:30:20 ◼   ► - Did these go to voicemail?

00:30:22 ◼   ► Like do you open the phone app and they're there?

00:30:25 ◼   ► Like you can look at them afterwards?

00:30:27 ◼   ► - Yes, yeah, so it is saved as a regular voicemail.

00:30:31 ◼   ► It's pretty slick.

00:30:33 ◼   ► I only took eight betas to get it going, but that's fun.

00:30:36 ◼   ► - It's a lot of betas, right?

00:30:37 ◼   ► Like eight is a lot?

00:30:39 ◼   ► - Feels like it.

00:30:40 ◼   ► - Is it a lot?

00:30:42 ◼   ► Federico, is it a lot?

00:30:43 ◼   ► Is eight an abnormal?

00:30:44 ◼   ► - No, it's regular.

00:30:47 ◼   ► More than 10 is a lot.

00:30:49 ◼   ► - It's weird.

00:30:50 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:30:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:30:52 ◼   ► But we got to 12, I believe, one year, I wanna say.

00:30:56 ◼   ► And that was a lot.

00:30:58 ◼   ► The voicemail thing, just something real quick I wanna say.

00:31:02 ◼   ► I am still not sure how I'm supposed to test it in Italy.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Meaning I'm using my phone in English.

00:31:13 ◼   ► My phone is set to the English language.

00:31:16 ◼   ► And then whenever someone calls me and leaves a voicemail,

00:31:21 ◼   ► and that has happened on a couple of occasions this summer,

00:31:24 ◼   ► they are speaking Italian,

00:31:26 ◼   ► but it gets transcribed in English.

00:31:29 ◼   ► - Oh, wow.

00:31:30 ◼   ► - As you can imagine, it's English

00:31:30 ◼   ► that doesn't make any sense.

00:31:32 ◼   ► So my assumption is that this voicemail transcription

00:31:35 ◼   ► doesn't do any sort of language detection.

00:31:38 ◼   ► So what, am I forced to use my phone in Italian

00:31:41 ◼   ► if I wanna get voicemail transcription in Italian?

00:31:43 ◼   ► - Well, it only works in Canada and the US.

00:31:48 ◼   ► So like you must have it your phone set to a thing.

00:31:51 ◼   ► - So it's my region setting.

00:31:52 ◼   ► - That's why it's working, 'cause it doesn't work for me.

00:31:54 ◼   ► - Okay, so that's what--

00:31:55 ◼   ► - You actually can test it, but you can't test it.

00:31:59 ◼   ► - I can test it, but someone needs to call me on the phone

00:32:02 ◼   ► and leave a proper English message.

00:32:04 ◼   ► Okay, can you call me at some point over the next few weeks?

00:32:08 ◼   ► - You just let me know and I'll call you

00:32:09 ◼   ► and I'll whisper sweet nothings to your iPhone.

00:32:12 ◼   ► - Thank you, appreciate it.

00:32:14 ◼   ► - I'll make sure I at least give you a sentence.

00:32:16 ◼   ► You can take a screenshot.

00:32:17 ◼   ► The rest of it may not be fit for print.

00:32:19 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:32:20 ◼   ► - So you gotta get that screenshot quick

00:32:22 ◼   ► before I start cursing.

00:32:23 ◼   ► I'm back with another plea for the reminders team.

00:32:26 ◼   ► - Hi, it's me.

00:32:27 ◼   ► - It's me, your most annoying user.

00:32:30 ◼   ► So last year I got a change in reminders

00:32:35 ◼   ► to make the badge match the today view.

00:32:39 ◼   ► So the badge would have overdue and due today tasks.

00:32:44 ◼   ► Right, got that in the beta last year.

00:32:46 ◼   ► Super excited, super happy.

00:32:48 ◼   ► I'm back in reminders.

00:32:49 ◼   ► I've been using it full time for months now.

00:32:51 ◼   ► And another thing has come to bother me.

00:32:54 ◼   ► And so I wrote a blog post.

00:32:56 ◼   ► And look, it's not running to the press

00:32:57 ◼   ► when you are the press.

00:32:58 ◼   ► So I filed a feedback.

00:33:00 ◼   ► It's FB13055999 as linked,

00:33:04 ◼   ► or as mentioned in this blog post.

00:33:07 ◼   ► But my current frustration is the today view.

00:33:11 ◼   ► So they have this feature where you can divide it up

00:33:15 ◼   ► into morning, afternoon, and tonight.

00:33:18 ◼   ► Things have something similar to this

00:33:19 ◼   ► where you have like, oh, this task will be due this evening.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Just a good feature.

00:33:24 ◼   ► My problem is the sorting.

00:33:25 ◼   ► So Apple, with this view on or off,

00:33:29 ◼   ► puts your tasks that are due today,

00:33:31 ◼   ► but with no due time at the top of the list.

00:33:36 ◼   ► So you have, you say that you have five tasks for today.

00:33:39 ◼   ► The first three don't have times.

00:33:41 ◼   ► You see those first.

00:33:42 ◼   ► And then you see the other ones that have due times.

00:33:45 ◼   ► And I find this to basically be backwards,

00:33:48 ◼   ► not only from how every other task manager does it,

00:33:51 ◼   ► but in my mind, a task with a time,

00:33:56 ◼   ► like the time is important, right?

00:33:58 ◼   ► If I say, hey, you need to go do this thing at 3 p.m.,

00:34:02 ◼   ► I need to go do that thing at 3 p.m.

00:34:04 ◼   ► And if I have to scroll past a bunch of tasks

00:34:07 ◼   ► that don't have a time,

00:34:09 ◼   ► I find that to be a bit frustrating.

00:34:10 ◼   ► So all that's outlined in this document

00:34:12 ◼   ► as well as the feedback that I filed.

00:34:16 ◼   ► And I just wanna put this out into the world.

00:34:18 ◼   ► If anyone's listening, I would love you to consider this.

00:34:21 ◼   ► - I think you're right.

00:34:22 ◼   ► I'm also, I run into this problem every single time

00:34:25 ◼   ► because on the one hand, I like this idea

00:34:28 ◼   ► of assigning like timeless reminders with a date,

00:34:33 ◼   ► just today or tomorrow, without a time.

00:34:37 ◼   ► - That's how a lot of mine are.

00:34:38 ◼   ► You know, just like at some point today,

00:34:40 ◼   ► get this done. - At some point today, yes.

00:34:43 ◼   ► The problem is exactly what you described,

00:34:45 ◼   ► that throughout the course of the day,

00:34:48 ◼   ► I open the today view and I miss those reminders

00:34:53 ◼   ► because they got mixed in with all the other reminders

00:34:56 ◼   ► that have a time.

00:34:57 ◼   ► So I agree, there needs to be a better separation,

00:34:59 ◼   ► like put them at the end or something, like I agree.

00:35:03 ◼   ► So I hope they listen to this feedback item.

00:35:05 ◼   ► And I will also mention another thing

00:35:07 ◼   ► that I also filed the feedback for,

00:35:11 ◼   ► which is what you just mentioned, Steven,

00:35:13 ◼   ► the today view has this special sections

00:35:17 ◼   ► for morning, afternoon, and tonight.

00:35:19 ◼   ► Nice feature copied from things, nice feature, I like it,

00:35:23 ◼   ► but a couple of things.

00:35:25 ◼   ► First, these times cannot be customized.

00:35:28 ◼   ► And I'm pretty sure that I brought this up in my review

00:35:31 ◼   ► whenever this feature became available.

00:35:33 ◼   ► I don't recall if it was last year or iOS 15,

00:35:36 ◼   ► when reminders got these three sections.

00:35:39 ◼   ► Tonight, for example, means 6 p.m.

00:35:42 ◼   ► Now, I'm not an American, I don't eat dinner at 6 p.m.

00:35:46 ◼   ► Tonight for me, tonight means at the very least 9 p.m.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Now this problem would be solved if only these times

00:35:53 ◼   ► what they mean could be customized.

00:35:55 ◼   ► Like tonight is not 6 p.m., 6 p.m. is afternoon for me.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Like why should it be tonight?

00:36:01 ◼   ► So that problem, like that flexibility

00:36:04 ◼   ► needs to be added in at some point.

00:36:06 ◼   ► And second, these are sections, right?

00:36:09 ◼   ► These are sections of the today view.

00:36:11 ◼   ► However, these are like custom sections

00:36:16 ◼   ► compared to the proper sections

00:36:19 ◼   ► that Reminders is gaining with iOS 17.

00:36:22 ◼   ► In iOS 17, you can create sections inside of your lists.

00:36:27 ◼   ► Which is sweet.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Which is sweet and I love it.

00:36:31 ◼   ► Thanks to those sections in iOS 17,

00:36:34 ◼   ► you can choose to view a list in list mode

00:36:37 ◼   ► with all your sections arranged vertically,

00:36:41 ◼   ► or as columns.

00:36:42 ◼   ► So you can turn Reminders into like a Kanban board,

00:36:45 ◼   ► for example.

00:36:47 ◼   ► It would make sense in my opinion

00:36:49 ◼   ► to have these sections of the today page

00:36:53 ◼   ► to also be, you know, to also support those display modes.

00:36:58 ◼   ► Right?

00:36:59 ◼   ► So what I'm asking for is,

00:37:00 ◼   ► why can I not view the sections of the today page as columns?

00:37:05 ◼   ► But I can view other sections in Reminders as columns.

00:37:09 ◼   ► So it's like they have these legacy sections

00:37:12 ◼   ► in the today view that do not support the same view options

00:37:16 ◼   ► of the other sections in Reminders in iOS 17.

00:37:19 ◼   ► Similarly, the scheduled page has the same problem.

00:37:24 ◼   ► The scheduled view has sections for today, tomorrow,

00:37:29 ◼   ► the next two days,

00:37:31 ◼   ► and then it goes like rest of September, for example.

00:37:35 ◼   ► I would love it if I could view those sections

00:37:38 ◼   ► in the scheduled view as columns, but I can't,

00:37:41 ◼   ► because these are not quote unquote, real sections,

00:37:45 ◼   ► like the rest of iOS 17, they are custom sections,

00:37:48 ◼   ► and they do not support those view modes.

00:37:51 ◼   ► It's like these inconsistencies,

00:37:52 ◼   ► they don't make a lot of sense in my opinion.

00:37:54 ◼   ► And yeah, I also think those Reminders

00:37:58 ◼   ► should be placed at the bottom,

00:37:59 ◼   ► and I should be able to customize whatever tonight means.

00:38:03 ◼   ► And by the way, someone asking the Discord,

00:38:04 ◼   ► I eat dinner at the very least at 9.30 PM.

00:38:09 ◼   ► Man, I was in for Mantera,

00:38:10 ◼   ► and everybody eats dinner like 11 PM, 11.30.

00:38:13 ◼   ► One time we went to the restaurant,

00:38:15 ◼   ► we ordered at midnight, and it was perfect.

00:38:19 ◼   ► It was so sweet, everybody just,

00:38:22 ◼   ► yeah, those are my kind of schedule.

00:38:23 ◼   ► I understand why they may be a little too late

00:38:25 ◼   ► for a lot of people, but yeah, at the very least 9.30 PM.

00:38:28 ◼   ► Yeah, we have a several people are typing situation

00:38:31 ◼   ► at Discord right now.

00:38:33 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Mid-zack, midnight dinner, it was incredible.

00:38:38 ◼   ► Midnight dinner sounds like a band I wanna listen to.

00:38:42 ◼   ► Midnight dinner? Yeah.

00:38:43 ◼   ► It's like the opposite of neutral milk hotel.

00:38:46 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:38:47 ◼   ► Well, I can't go there, I'm lactose intolerant.

00:38:49 ◼   ► Exactly, well, it's neutral.

00:38:51 ◼   ► I don't know, does that mean there is milk at the hotel,

00:38:54 ◼   ► or there's no milk at the hotel,

00:38:55 ◼   ► or the milk is in like perfect stasis at the hotel?

00:38:57 ◼   ► Anyway, I see what you're saying about the Reminders thing,

00:39:02 ◼   ► about like the grouping.

00:39:03 ◼   ► I could see it going one way or the other,

00:39:06 ◼   ► but like reading your post,

00:39:07 ◼   ► I understand why you would want it to be

00:39:09 ◼   ► the way that you want it to be.

00:39:11 ◼   ► Yeah, make it an option.

00:39:13 ◼   ► I feel like a Reminders application,

00:39:17 ◼   ► like it's an app that should have settings,

00:39:19 ◼   ► because people want different things.

00:39:21 ◼   ► Like I know when I wrote this OTJ texted me,

00:39:24 ◼   ► it was like, you're wrong, because the way he uses it,

00:39:26 ◼   ► is he has all of his untimed tasks at the top,

00:39:29 ◼   ► and then each day he kind of filters them.

00:39:30 ◼   ► So like he drags, okay, this one I'm gonna do

00:39:32 ◼   ► in the morning, this one I'm gonna do in the afternoon.

00:39:33 ◼   ► I think I would live the OTJ lifestyle in that one,

00:39:36 ◼   ► but I'm not like, it's kind of like,

00:39:39 ◼   ► I don't know if I really feel like one way

00:39:41 ◼   ► is better than the other,

00:39:42 ◼   ► but it does feel like a personal decision.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Yeah, so just give me the option to have it the way I want it.

00:39:49 ◼   ► John literally said, I hope you don't get this.

00:39:53 ◼   ► He did say that.

00:39:53 ◼   ► He's actively rooting against you.

00:39:56 ◼   ► He doesn't even want a setting.

00:39:57 ◼   ► He thinks it's so bad,

00:39:59 ◼   ► he doesn't even want there to be a setting.

00:40:01 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure he's lobbying for this feature not to exist.

00:40:05 ◼   ► John has released like, what's your feedback number?

00:40:08 ◼   ► It's like, he's done the same feedback number,

00:40:10 ◼   ► but with a B at the end, and it's like, don't do this.

00:40:14 ◼   ► It's anti-feedback.

00:40:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

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00:42:41 ◼   ► - All right, it's iPhone time.

00:42:43 ◼   ► We all knew it was coming and here it is.

00:42:45 ◼   ► - Wait, they're making a new one?

00:42:46 ◼   ► - Breaking news, there's gonna be a new iPhone this year.

00:42:49 ◼   ► In iPhone gate, there's gonna be a new one.

00:42:52 ◼   ► That's the gate this year that there's a new iPhone.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - Wonderful. - Nice.

00:42:57 ◼   ► - We all got invited.

00:42:59 ◼   ► - We did, which is very awesome.

00:43:02 ◼   ► - Which is great.

00:43:03 ◼   ► Currently only Steven's going.

00:43:05 ◼   ► We're not, it's complicated.

00:43:09 ◼   ► You know, like this is complicated.

00:43:11 ◼   ► Steven will be there.

00:43:13 ◼   ► We can confirm.

00:43:14 ◼   ► - I will. - The connected podcast

00:43:15 ◼   ► is willing to confirm that Steven Hackett

00:43:17 ◼   ► will be boots on the ground.

00:43:19 ◼   ► - And the event is taking place

00:43:22 ◼   ► on the 15th anniversary of 512Pixels,

00:43:26 ◼   ► which is really special to me.

00:43:29 ◼   ► I love it. - We'd like to thank Tim

00:43:30 ◼   ► for recognizing it, you know?

00:43:32 ◼   ► - I mean, technically it's the 15th anniversary

00:43:35 ◼   ► of "Fork Bomber."

00:43:37 ◼   ► - That's true, but you know.

00:43:38 ◼   ► - Just saying. - Oh.

00:43:40 ◼   ► - Re-branded to me. - You know,

00:43:41 ◼   ► when you said that to me, I was like,

00:43:43 ◼   ► wow, that time's gone fast.

00:43:46 ◼   ► But it's actually the anniversary

00:43:48 ◼   ► of you having your own website, right?

00:43:50 ◼   ► 'Cause it used to be under a different name.

00:43:52 ◼   ► That makes more sense to me.

00:43:53 ◼   ► 'Cause I was like, oh my God.

00:43:54 ◼   ► Like you made me feel really old.

00:43:56 ◼   ► But I didn't really put any more thought into it than that.

00:43:59 ◼   ► Where if I would have, I would have realized

00:44:01 ◼   ► what Federico just realized.

00:44:02 ◼   ► - Yes, of my own site.

00:44:03 ◼   ► Yeah, it was called "Fork Bomber" for quite a few years.

00:44:07 ◼   ► It's been 512 longer now, I think.

00:44:10 ◼   ► But. - Yeah, definitely.

00:44:11 ◼   ► - Definitely, that's probably like 10 years ago

00:44:13 ◼   ► at this point.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Anyways, I wanted to go through kind of the state

00:44:16 ◼   ► of the rumors and get everyone's temperature

00:44:19 ◼   ► on what we think.

00:44:20 ◼   ► This is not the Ricky's.

00:44:22 ◼   ► We'll be playing that next week

00:44:24 ◼   ► where we make our official, like, sealed guesses

00:44:29 ◼   ► about what Apple's going to do.

00:44:31 ◼   ► - Sealed?

00:44:32 ◼   ► Do we have a seal?

00:44:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, the Vittigi seal.

00:44:35 ◼   ► - You said, is it like?

00:44:39 ◼   ► - Slap it on there.

00:44:40 ◼   ► - Well, this.

00:44:41 ◼   ► - I think it becomes sealed when it shows up.

00:44:44 ◼   ► - They're not sealed at all, right?

00:44:46 ◼   ► Because we share them with each other,

00:44:47 ◼   ► at least the Ricky pic.

00:44:49 ◼   ► We share with each other before.

00:44:50 ◼   ► - They're the official, like, once they're made,

00:44:53 ◼   ► we can't change them, like.

00:44:55 ◼   ► - Right. - Okay.

00:44:56 ◼   ► - Really, I started the sentence?

00:44:58 ◼   ► - Not as in like it's taped up in an envelope

00:45:01 ◼   ► and no one can open it.

00:45:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're not like notarized.

00:45:03 ◼   ► - Right, we could probably do that.

00:45:04 ◼   ► - They should be, though.

00:45:05 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Should they?

00:45:06 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:45:07 ◼   ► - Like, the thing we should notarize is the rules,

00:45:10 ◼   ► but the problem is we can't keep them the same

00:45:12 ◼   ► for more than six months.

00:45:13 ◼   ► - Oh, you're just, you're paying a notary.

00:45:14 ◼   ► - I just go to the, just go to the notary

00:45:16 ◼   ► every single time.

00:45:18 ◼   ► - There is a notary somewhere who is like salivating

00:45:20 ◼   ► at the idea of notarizing the Bill of Rickeys,

00:45:24 ◼   ► 'cause like that is just a never-ending stream of money.

00:45:27 ◼   ► - If you're listening and you're a notary

00:45:28 ◼   ► in the United States, send us some feedback

00:45:31 ◼   ► on the feedback form.

00:45:32 ◼   ► - Do you need to be a notary in the United States?

00:45:33 ◼   ► Can you not be a notary in Italy?

00:45:35 ◼   ► - Well, the company is in the United States.

00:45:39 ◼   ► - But this isn't anything, like, who owns Connected, though?

00:45:42 ◼   ► - I mean.

00:45:43 ◼   ► - Right.

00:45:44 ◼   ► - Who edits Connected, I feel like is the real question.

00:45:47 ◼   ► - Wait, so is that how it works?

00:45:49 ◼   ► Like, whoever edits it owns it?

00:45:51 ◼   ► - You're not my boss.

00:45:52 ◼   ► - That's true, I don't know.

00:45:54 ◼   ► Maybe, okay, no, I got it, I got it, I got it.

00:45:55 ◼   ► - That would make Jim Metzendorf

00:45:57 ◼   ► the owner of Mac Power Users, you know that, right?

00:45:59 ◼   ► Like, that's what would happen if that was the case.

00:46:01 ◼   ► - We round robin the country in which we notarize the bill.

00:46:05 ◼   ► - Ah, perfect.

00:46:08 ◼   ► - I don't want the hassle.

00:46:10 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:46:11 ◼   ► - So you don't want me to do it,

00:46:12 ◼   ► but you don't want to do it either.

00:46:14 ◼   ► - No, I never said I don't want you to do it.

00:46:16 ◼   ► That was not a thing that I never said that.

00:46:17 ◼   ► - Not just a principle.

00:46:18 ◼   ► He likes the thought of having the possibility.

00:46:22 ◼   ► - I never suggested I wanted to be in charge

00:46:25 ◼   ► of notarizing anything, 'cause I don't want that aggravation

00:46:28 ◼   ► of, like, going to a notary.

00:46:29 ◼   ► Like, you could write back the tape.

00:46:31 ◼   ► Mike never said, "What about a notary in Great Britain?"

00:46:34 ◼   ► Like, that was never a thing that I wanted to do.

00:46:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was set her again.

00:46:36 ◼   ► It was set her again.

00:46:37 ◼   ► - Like, I don't want to do it,

00:46:39 ◼   ► but I do like the idea of it happening.

00:46:41 ◼   ► What we need is, like, a notary in international waters.

00:46:46 ◼   ► Like, someone who is, like-

00:46:47 ◼   ► - Pirate notary.

00:46:48 ◼   ► - I'm fascinated by that, okay.

00:46:50 ◼   ► - But someone who has no affiliation to any country,

00:46:53 ◼   ► so it, like, it lives just-

00:46:55 ◼   ► - Can you be one of those countries where, like, you know,

00:46:59 ◼   ► people go to do quote-unquote "business"?

00:47:02 ◼   ► Like, can we get, can we get, like, a notary

00:47:05 ◼   ► in the Cayman Islands, for example?

00:47:07 ◼   ► - Oh, or, like, Panama or something?

00:47:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:47:11 ◼   ► - Or, like, what's that place?

00:47:12 ◼   ► Is it Sealand?

00:47:13 ◼   ► Is that what it is, Stephen?

00:47:14 ◼   ► - Principality of Sealand.

00:47:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, Principality of Sealand.

00:47:17 ◼   ► If you are a notary in Switzerland, maybe,

00:47:20 ◼   ► ooh, that's probably the one, right?

00:47:22 ◼   ► Switzerland?

00:47:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause Switzerland don't care.

00:47:24 ◼   ► They're neutral, you know?

00:47:26 ◼   ► - We could go skiing once a year

00:47:27 ◼   ► and get, like, the Bill of Rickeys notarized.

00:47:30 ◼   ► - I love it.

00:47:30 ◼   ► - That feels like a good excuse for a vacation.

00:47:32 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:47:33 ◼   ► - If you are a Swiss notary,

00:47:35 ◼   ► please write in and let us know.

00:47:38 ◼   ► - We probably have one listening.

00:47:39 ◼   ► So, okay, anyways, all this started

00:47:42 ◼   ► because I started a sentence

00:47:44 ◼   ► that didn't know how it was gonna end.

00:47:45 ◼   ► Next week, we're doing the Rickeys.

00:47:47 ◼   ► These are not our guesses.

00:47:50 ◼   ► I just want to, like--

00:47:51 ◼   ► - But if you, but seriously,

00:47:53 ◼   ► if you happen to be a Swiss notary,

00:47:55 ◼   ► like, if we can find a Swiss notary in the show's audience,

00:48:00 ◼   ► we're gonna do something.

00:48:01 ◼   ► I don't know what, but we're gonna do something.

00:48:03 ◼   ► - We will have to.

00:48:04 ◼   ► I mean, like, I feel like if there is someone in Switzerland

00:48:08 ◼   ► who is a notary, like, at this point, if they, like--

00:48:10 ◼   ► - I mean, they have notaries in Switzerland.

00:48:11 ◼   ► - We have to do something.

00:48:13 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:48:13 ◼   ► Do they? - Swiss notary.

00:48:17 ◼   ► - I mean, I feel like they've got to, right?

00:48:19 ◼   ► Like, maybe if anywhere in the world

00:48:21 ◼   ► with all of the banks and stuff--

00:48:22 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah, they got notaries.

00:48:23 ◼   ► Yeah, notary services in Switzerland.

00:48:25 ◼   ► Here we go.

00:48:26 ◼   ► Tons of things in here.

00:48:28 ◼   ► I want to start with the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus.

00:48:32 ◼   ► This is kind of where things stand in the rumors.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Apple is gonna continue the regular phone

00:48:40 ◼   ► kind of being a year behind the Pro phone.

00:48:43 ◼   ► So this year, it looks like the iPhone 15 and the 15 Plus

00:48:47 ◼   ► will get the Dynamic Island,

00:48:49 ◼   ► and I assume live activity support along with that.

00:48:53 ◼   ► - Whilst I believe this is happening, it is,

00:48:56 ◼   ► 'cause I know what you're saying about that,

00:48:58 ◼   ► but, like, it's not getting always on display.

00:49:01 ◼   ► So, like, we skipped to Dynamic Island, right?

00:49:04 ◼   ► That is interesting,

00:49:05 ◼   ► because it's all about a priorities thing, right?

00:49:08 ◼   ► Like, for whatever reason,

00:49:09 ◼   ► Apple feel like the Dynamic Island is more important

00:49:12 ◼   ► to roll out to all the phones first.

00:49:15 ◼   ► And that's just intriguing to me.

00:49:17 ◼   ► That's like a thing that they've decided,

00:49:19 ◼   ► but like the always on,

00:49:20 ◼   ► they're gonna keep that for a while longer.

00:49:23 ◼   ► - That makes sense if you think about, like,

00:49:25 ◼   ► how they're slowly, arguably,

00:49:28 ◼   ► extending the things that go in the Dynamic Island.

00:49:31 ◼   ► Like with iOS 17, they're doing a bit more,

00:49:34 ◼   ► and they're gonna continue that, most likely next year.

00:49:37 ◼   ► So it makes sense to also have the base model iPhones

00:49:41 ◼   ► have the Dynamic Island.

00:49:42 ◼   ► - One of the big features of iOS 17 is standby,

00:49:45 ◼   ► and realistically, that is an always on display feature.

00:49:48 ◼   ► While it works on other phones,

00:49:51 ◼   ► it is nowhere near as useful on other phones.

00:49:54 ◼   ► - But that's exactly the point.

00:49:55 ◼   ► One of the best features means you gotta, if you want it,

00:49:57 ◼   ► it's one of the best features,

00:49:58 ◼   ► but if you want it, you gotta pay.

00:50:00 ◼   ► - But the Dynamic Island for whatever,

00:50:02 ◼   ► I mean, it's just like, I don't know,

00:50:03 ◼   ► like for whatever reason,

00:50:04 ◼   ► the Dynamic Island is something where they're like,

00:50:06 ◼   ► "No, we should get this on all the phones

00:50:07 ◼   ► as fast as possible."

00:50:08 ◼   ► It's just intriguing to me.

00:50:09 ◼   ► Like, I wonder what that means for live activities

00:50:13 ◼   ► as time goes on.

00:50:14 ◼   ► Like, are they really gonna push that?

00:50:16 ◼   ► 'Cause this, again, it's one of those things

00:50:18 ◼   ► where like it has so much promise and I use it a lot,

00:50:20 ◼   ► but there are so many apps that I wish support it,

00:50:22 ◼   ► but don't still.

00:50:24 ◼   ► - We're also gonna see an updated 5G chip from Qualcomm.

00:50:28 ◼   ► The only reason I put this in there

00:50:29 ◼   ► is just to touch on the topic of Apple's 5G modem business

00:50:34 ◼   ► continues just to get pushed further down the line.

00:50:37 ◼   ► - Nice.

00:50:37 ◼   ► - So like they've struggled with that.

00:50:39 ◼   ► 'Cause they bought that business from Intel four years ago,

00:50:43 ◼   ► I think.

00:50:44 ◼   ► It's been a minute

00:50:45 ◼   ► and we have not seen Apple's own modems quite yet.

00:50:49 ◼   ► - So an updated 5G chip from Qualcomm.

00:50:54 ◼   ► - Perfect.

00:50:55 ◼   ► So I don't need to get my vaccine this fall.

00:50:58 ◼   ► - Not yet.

00:51:00 ◼   ► I mean, the thing that's interesting,

00:51:03 ◼   ► I don't know if like realistically

00:51:05 ◼   ► there's much of a big change here.

00:51:07 ◼   ► I think really it's more intriguing

00:51:10 ◼   ► that like Apple just have yet to pull it together

00:51:13 ◼   ► to get this working themselves.

00:51:15 ◼   ► But it doesn't surprise me.

00:51:16 ◼   ► 'Cause I think I heard you mention this

00:51:18 ◼   ► maybe on Mac power users recently, Stephen,

00:51:21 ◼   ► about this particular thing.

00:51:22 ◼   ► I don't know why,

00:51:23 ◼   ► but I think I heard you talk about this.

00:51:25 ◼   ► This is so complicated, right?

00:51:27 ◼   ► They cannot mess this up.

00:51:29 ◼   ► They cannot get it even a little bit wrong, right?

00:51:33 ◼   ► Like the 5G connection on an iPhone.

00:51:37 ◼   ► Like this has to be rock solid

00:51:41 ◼   ► before they put it out there.

00:51:42 ◼   ► So I think this is gonna be a multiple years

00:51:45 ◼   ► from now still thing.

00:51:46 ◼   ► Where like if you get like 5% of them go wrong,

00:51:49 ◼   ► well, you can't do it.

00:51:50 ◼   ► Like you just can't do this.

00:51:52 ◼   ► It's like this is Antennagate waiting to happen.

00:51:54 ◼   ► But in like maybe a potentially real more serious way.

00:51:58 ◼   ► We're looking at some updated colors.

00:52:00 ◼   ► According to Mac rumors,

00:52:02 ◼   ► we're looking at midnight or black,

00:52:04 ◼   ► starlight or white, yellow, blue,

00:52:07 ◼   ► and perhaps the return of the coral color

00:52:10 ◼   ► or something like that from the iPhone XR,

00:52:13 ◼   ► which was a pretty good color on the XR, I thought.

00:52:15 ◼   ► Great color.

00:52:16 ◼   ► It's one of my favorite iPhone colors.

00:52:18 ◼   ► Yeah, the XR had some good colors.

00:52:20 ◼   ► None of these are super, super exciting.

00:52:24 ◼   ► They're kind of in the palette

00:52:25 ◼   ► Apple's been playing in for a while,

00:52:26 ◼   ► and they're still gonna use the aluminum side rails.

00:52:30 ◼   ► So I think these are gonna look pretty similar

00:52:33 ◼   ► to previous regular iPhones,

00:52:35 ◼   ► except for the notch becoming the dynamic island.

00:52:39 ◼   ► And of course--

00:52:40 ◼   ► Oh my God, the notch.

00:52:41 ◼   ► That's a name I haven't heard in a long time.

00:52:43 ◼   ► I know. The notch.

00:52:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:45 ◼   ► Notch, I haven't heard of that guy for a long time.

00:52:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:52:50 ◼   ► It was a notch like you doing in a place like this.

00:52:53 ◼   ► Wow.

00:52:54 ◼   ► The biggest physical difference may be

00:52:57 ◼   ► the inclusion of a USB-C port at the bottom.

00:53:01 ◼   ► So of course, EU regulation is coming

00:53:03 ◼   ► that USB-C needs to be on new devices.

00:53:07 ◼   ► MacRumors and others are saying that they could come

00:53:10 ◼   ► with color match braided cables,

00:53:12 ◼   ► which I just wanna shout out Apple's braided cable game.

00:53:16 ◼   ► I've got several now just kind of over the years

00:53:18 ◼   ► that I've gotten products.

00:53:19 ◼   ► Braided cables are the way to go.

00:53:21 ◼   ► And if these are color matched, that would be sick.

00:53:24 ◼   ► I think people are gonna dig that.

00:53:26 ◼   ► I am very ready to spend money,

00:53:28 ◼   ► as much money as it will end up inevitably taking

00:53:31 ◼   ► to remove all lightning cables from my life.

00:53:34 ◼   ► I'm ready.

00:53:35 ◼   ► I can't wait.

00:53:36 ◼   ► See you later, lightning.

00:53:37 ◼   ► Like you're gone.

00:53:38 ◼   ► I'm done with you.

00:53:39 ◼   ► I just want USB-C.

00:53:40 ◼   ► So like cannot wait to get rid of them all.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Bye-bye.

00:53:44 ◼   ► Can't wait.

00:53:44 ◼   ► There's a lot of talk about what flavor of USB-C

00:53:48 ◼   ► we would get on these phones.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Like, is it gonna be?

00:53:50 ◼   ► Oh, this is so infuriating to me is the thing.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:53:54 ◼   ► Who cares how fast the USB port is?

00:53:57 ◼   ► Oh, it's gonna be 2.9.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:54:00 ◼   ► Why?

00:54:02 ◼   ► I love this energy.

00:54:03 ◼   ► Keep going.

00:54:04 ◼   ► It's ridiculous.

00:54:06 ◼   ► No one cares.

00:54:07 ◼   ► Like anybody that actually cares, get the pro phone.

00:54:11 ◼   ► Like if you're transferring terabytes

00:54:14 ◼   ► of pro raw footage off your,

00:54:17 ◼   ► like just get this.

00:54:18 ◼   ► This isn't important.

00:54:19 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:54:20 ◼   ► There's so many articles written about speed.

00:54:23 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:54:25 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:54:26 ◼   ► I love this.

00:54:27 ◼   ► That's what I have.

00:54:28 ◼   ► I feel like I see this every two days.

00:54:30 ◼   ► Someone's writing an article about USB 2.0 speeds.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Oh, my poor pro raw footage going so slow.

00:54:38 ◼   ► Just like, just come on.

00:54:40 ◼   ► I think it would be nice if it were faster than USB 2.0,

00:54:45 ◼   ► but that's okay.

00:54:46 ◼   ► Are you gonna be an iPhone 15 customer, Steven?

00:54:48 ◼   ► No, but built in.

00:54:50 ◼   ► Right, well, that's what I'm saying.

00:54:51 ◼   ► But I guess it's built into your argument,

00:54:53 ◼   ► the idea that the pro would have faster,

00:54:56 ◼   ► like 3.0 or even Thunderbolt.

00:54:58 ◼   ► They're gonna do Thunderbolt.

00:54:59 ◼   ► 'Cause the rumor is that the regular phone will be slow.

00:55:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:03 ◼   ► Like that's what I've seen.

00:55:05 ◼   ► And that the pro phone will have the capacity for more.

00:55:09 ◼   ► It'll be interesting.

00:55:10 ◼   ► But even if it doesn't, so what?

00:55:12 ◼   ► So what?

00:55:13 ◼   ► Just airdrop it.

00:55:14 ◼   ► Like it's fine.

00:55:15 ◼   ► You'll be fine.

00:55:16 ◼   ► You can live.

00:55:17 ◼   ► I know you can.

00:55:18 ◼   ► Okay.

00:55:19 ◼   ► This phone would assume it would be powered by the A16

00:55:21 ◼   ► that's currently in the 14 Pro and the 14 Pro Max.

00:55:24 ◼   ► You know, stepping down the processor

00:55:26 ◼   ► to the regular phone a year after it debuts.

00:55:30 ◼   ► I don't know how successful that's been for them.

00:55:32 ◼   ► It's hard to tell these, this recent run of phones,

00:55:36 ◼   ► it's hard to eyeball what is what.

00:55:38 ◼   ► So I don't know how many iPhone 14s

00:55:41 ◼   ► I've seen out in the world, but.

00:55:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:44 ◼   ► I think they want people on the fence to move up to the Pro,

00:55:48 ◼   ► but this is the recipe they set a couple of years ago

00:55:52 ◼   ► and they seem to be continuing to follow it.

00:55:54 ◼   ► That the 15 and the 15 plus will kind of be,

00:55:57 ◼   ► some of last year's Pro stuff

00:55:58 ◼   ► kind of mixed in with some new stuff.

00:56:00 ◼   ► Can I say something?

00:56:01 ◼   ► Can I say something?

00:56:02 ◼   ► Please.

00:56:03 ◼   ► Yes.

00:56:03 ◼   ► Without being, but without being attacked.

00:56:04 ◼   ► Oh, I can't promise that.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Can't promise that.

00:56:07 ◼   ► I'll try though.

00:56:07 ◼   ► Nobody cares about the chip in the phone.

00:56:09 ◼   ► Oh no, there's no attack there.

00:56:11 ◼   ► Like this isn't a thing.

00:56:12 ◼   ► No one cares.

00:56:13 ◼   ► It's only us.

00:56:13 ◼   ► It's just John Gruber and Apple marketing.

00:56:16 ◼   ► Like nobody cares.

00:56:17 ◼   ► I forget.

00:56:18 ◼   ► I don't even know what chip is in the phone.

00:56:20 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:56:21 ◼   ► Cause I also don't actually really care.

00:56:23 ◼   ► Cause like it doesn't do anything for me.

00:56:26 ◼   ► I see these arguments.

00:56:27 ◼   ► I see these arguments sometimes from people

00:56:29 ◼   ► being like, ah, the iPhone 14 was not successful

00:56:34 ◼   ► because they didn't use the same SOC as the, no.

00:56:39 ◼   ► It wasn't that.

00:56:40 ◼   ► Like nobody, literally no regular human being

00:56:45 ◼   ► that buys a phone at the Apple store

00:56:48 ◼   ► or the shopping mall or whatever,

00:56:49 ◼   ► or from the carrier company.

00:56:51 ◼   ► They're not like, hmm, but let me compare.

00:56:54 ◼   ► Does it have the A15 bionic or the A,

00:56:57 ◼   ► nobody thinks like that.

00:56:59 ◼   ► They only care about the camera.

00:57:00 ◼   ► But like realistically, do the three of us care

00:57:03 ◼   ► what system on a chip is on our iPhone?

00:57:05 ◼   ► I don't even care.

00:57:06 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:57:06 ◼   ► That alone doesn't do anything for me.

00:57:11 ◼   ► Like we're past that point a long time ago.

00:57:14 ◼   ► - Like if they stopped naming it

00:57:16 ◼   ► and they just said the iPhone has chip in it,

00:57:20 ◼   ► I will be fine with it.

00:57:22 ◼   ► - And this iPhone does this.

00:57:24 ◼   ► Like that's kind of, like I know that each year

00:57:27 ◼   ► that certain things are enabled by what they put

00:57:29 ◼   ► on the chip or whatever.

00:57:30 ◼   ► But like just the idea, I don't even know why they

00:57:33 ◼   ► even really talk about it in this way anymore

00:57:37 ◼   ► of like, here's the A17.

00:57:39 ◼   ► Like I just like, why are we even still talking

00:57:43 ◼   ► about this part specifically?

00:57:44 ◼   ► - Why is it still called bionic?

00:57:46 ◼   ► Also what's this thing with bionic?

00:57:49 ◼   ► I don't get it.

00:57:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was an okay podcast on this day.

00:57:52 ◼   ► - Not really, not really.

00:57:53 ◼   ► - No, it's bad.

00:57:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, I've just got another thing that's real for them.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Steven, do you care about what chips on your phone?

00:58:02 ◼   ► - No, not really.

00:58:05 ◼   ► - Do you?

00:58:06 ◼   ► - What if it enables foster USB transfer speeds?

00:58:09 ◼   ► Do you care about that?

00:58:10 ◼   ► - I mean, I do care about that.

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01:00:01 ◼   ► Pro and Pro Max, let's talk about this.

01:00:03 ◼   ► I think this is where the--

01:00:04 ◼   ► Let's talk about Real Phone.

01:00:05 ◼   ► I wanna ask you two a question before we begin

01:00:07 ◼   ► 'cause we're naming it.

01:00:09 ◼   ► Pro Max or Ultra, what do you think?

01:00:11 ◼   ► Ultra.

01:00:12 ◼   ► Ultra, Ultra, Ultra.

01:00:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm Team Ultra.

01:00:15 ◼   ► Yeah, so am I.

01:00:16 ◼   ► Come on, let's get rid of that name.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Pro Max, get out of town.

01:00:18 ◼   ► Ultra, I wanna be in the Ultra Club.

01:00:20 ◼   ► That's where I wanna be.

01:00:21 ◼   ► iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Ultra.

01:00:25 ◼   ► I like it.

01:00:26 ◼   ► I Ultra.

01:00:26 ◼   ► Pro Ultra.

01:00:27 ◼   ► (groaning)

01:00:28 ◼   ► You know?

01:00:30 ◼   ► No, please don't do that.

01:00:32 ◼   ► They put--

01:00:33 ◼   ► Don't do that.

01:00:34 ◼   ► They, oh God, they might do that.

01:00:35 ◼   ► Put a pin in that because it may happen.

01:00:38 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:00:40 ◼   ► Oh, please don't do that.

01:00:42 ◼   ► Keep it as Pro Max.

01:00:43 ◼   ► They're gonna do it.

01:00:44 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:00:44 ◼   ► You know them, they're gonna do it.

01:00:46 ◼   ► Well, is Pro Max better or worse than Pro Ultra?

01:00:51 ◼   ► I think Pro Ultra is better.

01:00:52 ◼   ► It's less, Pro Max is less syllables.

01:00:56 ◼   ► That's true, but Pro Max sounds like a plumbing product

01:00:59 ◼   ► of some sort that you like to clean your pipes out with.

01:01:01 ◼   ► But Pro Ultra feels like a supplement.

01:01:04 ◼   ► Supplement.

01:01:05 ◼   ► Right, like that's gonna give me increased testosterone

01:01:08 ◼   ► or something.

01:01:09 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:01:10 ◼   ► It's big, big news.

01:01:11 ◼   ► And this is what I'm excited about.

01:01:13 ◼   ► A move to titanium for the side rails instead of steel.

01:01:17 ◼   ► This should make these phones way less,

01:01:20 ◼   ► which would be fantastic.

01:01:22 ◼   ► And I think they have the opportunity,

01:01:24 ◼   ► we're gonna talk about the colors,

01:01:25 ◼   ► but I think there's an opportunity to sort of really

01:01:26 ◼   ► kind of refresh the look and feel of this phone.

01:01:30 ◼   ► I'm a big fan of Apple's titanium work.

01:01:33 ◼   ► The Apple Watch, was it the series six and seven,

01:01:36 ◼   ► I think that were titanium or maybe seven.

01:01:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I think six and seven.

01:01:39 ◼   ► It was like a brushed titanium that looked really good.

01:01:42 ◼   ► I had one of those watches for a couple of years.

01:01:45 ◼   ► Of course, the Apple Watch Ultra is titanium,

01:01:47 ◼   ► not brushed, but sort of bead blasted.

01:01:49 ◼   ► I think it looks really nice.

01:01:51 ◼   ► And I think this could be a really nice addition

01:01:54 ◼   ► to the phone.

01:01:56 ◼   ► But honestly, anything that gets the weight down,

01:01:58 ◼   ► I'm in favor for it.

01:01:59 ◼   ► 'Cause these phones, especially the Pro Max, it's heavy.

01:02:02 ◼   ► And this should at least help with that.

01:02:05 ◼   ► I can wait.

01:02:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:07 ◼   ► I mean, having been now an Apple Watch Ultra user

01:02:11 ◼   ► for how many months, I don't even remember.

01:02:13 ◼   ► Yes, give me titanium.

01:02:15 ◼   ► Yeah, but.

01:02:16 ◼   ► No, no, but no.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Yeah, but no gold.

01:02:20 ◼   ► The rumor is no gold anymore.

01:02:22 ◼   ► They're gonna get rid of gold.

01:02:23 ◼   ► I don't think that's inherent to the titanium

01:02:27 ◼   ► unless they just can't make it shiny enough.

01:02:29 ◼   ► But.

01:02:30 ◼   ► This just makes me sad though.

01:02:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it looks like the iPhone Pro Ultra Max

01:02:36 ◼   ► will be space black, silver, some sort of blue color,

01:02:41 ◼   ► and then tightened gray, which I think my guess is the,

01:02:46 ◼   ► I mean, there's a dummy units out now, so who knows.

01:02:48 ◼   ► But the silver and tightened gray, I think will be similar

01:02:51 ◼   ► and just be more like the back glass

01:02:53 ◼   ► is slightly differently colored,

01:02:55 ◼   ► but not a wide range of color here.

01:02:58 ◼   ► And yes, of course, the gold being gone

01:02:59 ◼   ► makes a lot of people sad, including our friend Mike.

01:03:04 ◼   ► But it's like, could you have imagined

01:03:06 ◼   ► that they could make the Pro Phone colors even more boring?

01:03:10 ◼   ► No, that's impressive that they've done that.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Yeah, you know what, actually, bravo.

01:03:15 ◼   ► Like, I wouldn't have thought that one.

01:03:17 ◼   ► No, I'm gonna be sad about this.

01:03:18 ◼   ► I'm gonna be sad about this.

01:03:19 ◼   ► Mike, now that we're talking about titanium and colors,

01:03:22 ◼   ► can I put forth a formal proposal?

01:03:26 ◼   ► Yes.

01:03:27 ◼   ► For you and Jason on upgrade?

01:03:29 ◼   ► Yes.

01:03:30 ◼   ► You're gonna do the draft, right?

01:03:33 ◼   ► And you're gonna need a tiebreaker, right?

01:03:35 ◼   ► Well, the tiebreaker's always set, but continue.

01:03:38 ◼   ► There might be something else we can do.

01:03:39 ◼   ► Well, okay, it's an idea, it's an idea.

01:03:41 ◼   ► You may wanna think about it.

01:03:44 ◼   ► If you need a clean tiebreaker for the draft

01:03:49 ◼   ► for the iPhone 15 event,

01:03:51 ◼   ► a potential question will be,

01:03:53 ◼   ► will Apple use during the event

01:03:57 ◼   ► David Guetta's titanium song at any point?

01:04:01 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:04:02 ◼   ► Ooh, I hate that song, you know that?

01:04:06 ◼   ► Like, I hate that song.

01:04:08 ◼   ► But, but, you know, Apple, they may put it on at some point.

01:04:13 ◼   ► You know, just something to think about.

01:04:17 ◼   ► That, you know what, that is something to think about.

01:04:20 ◼   ► But then your Google Doc'd smoke it, you know?

01:04:22 ◼   ► It's a real, that's a real head scratcher, I guess.

01:04:24 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:04:27 ◼   ► I mean, for me, if they do this,

01:04:32 ◼   ► probably Titan Gray is what I'll go with,

01:04:33 ◼   ► 'cause it will at least be different.

01:04:35 ◼   ► Same.

01:04:35 ◼   ► What I want now is like, what is the closest color

01:04:38 ◼   ► to match the Apple Watch that I'm gonna buy?

01:04:40 ◼   ► That's what I'm gonna wanna try and get.

01:04:41 ◼   ► Yeah, we're gonna get to the Apple Watch here in a minute,

01:04:44 ◼   ► 'cause I think there could be some new things there.

01:04:46 ◼   ► Beyond the colors, we're looking at slimmer bezels.

01:04:49 ◼   ► This has been rumored for quite a while now.

01:04:51 ◼   ► And some of the mockups and things people have done

01:04:54 ◼   ► of what the bezels may look like.

01:04:55 ◼   ► I think it's gonna look pretty nice.

01:04:56 ◼   ► I think it's gonna make the current phones look old,

01:05:00 ◼   ► you know, like Apple can do.

01:05:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Big news on the chip side, y'all.

01:05:05 ◼   ► Apple's first three nanometer chip, the A17.

01:05:09 ◼   ► There was a story that apparently Apple is gonna,

01:05:12 ◼   ► is buying all of TSMC's three nanometer chips,

01:05:16 ◼   ► like they're just gonna do it all,

01:05:18 ◼   ► because this, I guess, will filter into the M3

01:05:21 ◼   ► and some other things across the line.

01:05:24 ◼   ► But big news on the chip front.

01:05:26 ◼   ► Chip boys have something to be excited about.

01:05:28 ◼   ► Comes with chips.

01:05:29 ◼   ► I feel like this is something on Federico's bucket list,

01:05:33 ◼   ► that he could go to someone and say, "I'll take them all."

01:05:37 ◼   ► No, one of my dreams, one of my dreams,

01:05:40 ◼   ► one of my many things is to walk into some kind of restaurant

01:05:44 ◼   ► or like a coffee shop, look around, just be in all casual,

01:05:49 ◼   ► just look around, look at the menu,

01:05:50 ◼   ► you know, just browse.

01:05:53 ◼   ► And I mean like, so how much for the whole place?

01:05:57 ◼   ► Just like that.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Oh, wow, okay.

01:06:00 ◼   ► You know?

01:06:02 ◼   ► That would be cool.

01:06:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:03 ◼   ► I thought you were gonna say like,

01:06:04 ◼   ► "I'll have one of everything," but no, you want us

01:06:07 ◼   ► a little bit higher. Yeah, yeah, also that,

01:06:07 ◼   ► also that, which is similar vibe, similar vibe, you know?

01:06:11 ◼   ► And see, I'll have one of everything.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Every time I see a cab, which is not very often,

01:06:15 ◼   ► we don't have very many here,

01:06:17 ◼   ► but always think about your thing of like,

01:06:18 ◼   ► "Hey, follow that car," you know?

01:06:20 ◼   ► Like, it'd be so cool to say, it'd be so cool to say.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Yeah, I know, I, every time I, when we were on vacation,

01:06:29 ◼   ► we were taking turns, we rented a car,

01:06:32 ◼   ► and often I would say, you know, for directions,

01:06:35 ◼   ► I would say to my friend, "Just follow that car."

01:06:38 ◼   ► And Silvio said, "Follow that car," like,

01:06:41 ◼   ► in terms of like the joke that I often say,

01:06:44 ◼   ► and I had to explain, I had to explain to my friends

01:06:46 ◼   ► what that meant.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I hope I get to do it someday.

01:06:52 ◼   ► Do you think if you got in a taxi and said,

01:06:54 ◼   ► "Follow that car," that they would?

01:06:57 ◼   ► They would, but it's how you sell it.

01:06:59 ◼   ► I think it's how you sell it, you know?

01:07:02 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, anyway, well, we were talking about chips,

01:07:08 ◼   ► I think, A17, three nanometer,

01:07:12 ◼   ► it's gonna unlock the future in ways

01:07:14 ◼   ► we can't even begin to understand.

01:07:15 ◼   ► That USB transfer speed's gonna be so fast.

01:07:19 ◼   ► No, no, but let's talk about that in a minute,

01:07:21 ◼   ► because I do have serious thoughts about USB speeds.

01:07:26 ◼   ► Before we get to your USB-C Thunderbolt stuff,

01:07:31 ◼   ► I do just wanna very quickly touch base

01:07:34 ◼   ► on the customizable action button.

01:07:38 ◼   ► It's something that has like come and gone

01:07:39 ◼   ► out of the rumors,

01:07:41 ◼   ► but I think is a very exciting possibility,

01:07:44 ◼   ► especially if it's like the Apple Watch

01:07:45 ◼   ► where you could tie it to a shortcut,

01:07:48 ◼   ► or work out at a flashlight, or something like that.

01:07:50 ◼   ► And I'll wait for these two, like tying shortcuts

01:07:53 ◼   ► to finally having to use for that space

01:07:58 ◼   ► on the side of the phone.

01:08:00 ◼   ► I'm very excited about that.

01:08:01 ◼   ► In recent iOS 17 betas, the vibration has changed

01:08:05 ◼   ► when you hit the mute switch.

01:08:07 ◼   ► It's like much more pronounced now,

01:08:09 ◼   ► and maybe that's hinting at, okay,

01:08:12 ◼   ► when this button is, maybe when it's in that mode,

01:08:14 ◼   ► or maybe all the time when you press it,

01:08:16 ◼   ► you're really gonna get haptic feedback

01:08:18 ◼   ► that you've done something.

01:08:19 ◼   ► So I feel like this is gonna happen.

01:08:22 ◼   ► Okay, Federico, take us home with this Thunderbolt

01:08:26 ◼   ► theory desire that you have,

01:08:29 ◼   ► 'cause I know USB transfer speeds

01:08:30 ◼   ► are really important to you.

01:08:32 ◼   ► So what would you like to see here?

01:08:33 ◼   ► - Connected is the number one podcast

01:08:35 ◼   ► for USB transfer speeds.

01:08:36 ◼   ► Yeah, whenever I find myself being a photographer

01:08:39 ◼   ► at a wedding or being a documentarian

01:08:43 ◼   ► down in the South African wilderness,

01:08:46 ◼   ► those transfer speeds always come in clutch, as they say.

01:08:50 ◼   ► They've saved me.

01:08:51 ◼   ► - The C stands for clutch, USB clutch.

01:08:56 ◼   ► - Transfer those files.

01:08:58 ◼   ► You wanna come into a room and say that.

01:09:00 ◼   ► - Yeah. - No, but seriously.

01:09:02 ◼   ► - Siri. - I am intrigued.

01:09:05 ◼   ► I am intrigued by this idea

01:09:08 ◼   ► of the Pro phones having Thunderbolt.

01:09:11 ◼   ► Because what if, like just imagine,

01:09:15 ◼   ► not this year, obviously,

01:09:16 ◼   ► because it will require a major software undertaking,

01:09:20 ◼   ► but maybe next year, maybe a few years down the road,

01:09:23 ◼   ► just imagine a scenario in which,

01:09:26 ◼   ► and huge asterisk here,

01:09:29 ◼   ► this Apple wouldn't be the first company to do this,

01:09:33 ◼   ► but imagine a scenario in which your phone,

01:09:36 ◼   ► you plug in a Thunderbolt cable,

01:09:39 ◼   ► you plug in the cable into a studio display,

01:09:42 ◼   ► and your phone becomes a desktop workstation.

01:09:45 ◼   ► So what I'm imagining- - Stage manager.

01:09:47 ◼   ► - I told you stage manager on the iPhone,

01:09:52 ◼   ► but like Samsung has something similar, right?

01:09:54 ◼   ► It's called Samsung DeX.

01:09:56 ◼   ► - Yep. - And I believe

01:09:57 ◼   ► someone else did it a decade or so ago,

01:10:00 ◼   ► like this idea of, yeah, it's your smartphone,

01:10:03 ◼   ► but what if you plug it into a dock at your desk,

01:10:08 ◼   ► and suddenly you have a desktop environment?

01:10:09 ◼   ► Like this is not a new idea.

01:10:11 ◼   ► However, Apple has the ecosystem to do it right,

01:10:16 ◼   ► and to do it in a way where,

01:10:19 ◼   ► you have the same apps on your phone,

01:10:20 ◼   ► on your Mac, on your iPad.

01:10:22 ◼   ► What if, like imagine just a scenario

01:10:26 ◼   ► in which iOS 18 or iOS 20,

01:10:30 ◼   ► sounds silly to say iOS 20, by the way,

01:10:33 ◼   ► but I guess we'll get there at some point.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Imagine iOS 20, imagine iOS 20,

01:10:39 ◼   ► like your phone apps support multiple windows.

01:10:44 ◼   ► At some point, multiple windows for iPhone apps

01:10:46 ◼   ► will happen, right?

01:10:47 ◼   ► I mean, why not?

01:10:48 ◼   ► The Palm did it years ago, and it was pretty sweet.

01:10:52 ◼   ► But like imagine multiple windows for your phone apps,

01:10:55 ◼   ► and it's Thunderbolt.

01:10:57 ◼   ► And I mean, why not do it where,

01:11:00 ◼   ► your phone is your computer already,

01:11:02 ◼   ► but what if it could also be your computer computer?

01:11:06 ◼   ► So like you just buy a display, you place it on a dock,

01:11:09 ◼   ► maybe it's like a MagSafe thing even,

01:11:11 ◼   ► that supports data transfers,

01:11:13 ◼   ► and suddenly you have a desktop environment

01:11:16 ◼   ► powered by your phone.

01:11:18 ◼   ► It wouldn't be if it's Thunderbolt,

01:11:20 ◼   ► and if Apple has the ecosystem of third-party apps to do it,

01:11:23 ◼   ► it wouldn't be too wild to imagine something like that.

01:11:27 ◼   ► Sure, there's a big downside in this theory,

01:11:31 ◼   ► which is, well, if your phone is your computer,

01:11:35 ◼   ► then it means you're not buying a separate computer

01:11:39 ◼   ► on your desk.

01:11:40 ◼   ► So which that would be, you know,

01:11:43 ◼   ► a point against doing this sort of unified computer theory.

01:11:48 ◼   ► Apple wants you to buy multiple computers.

01:11:53 ◼   ► They want you to buy the phone and the tablet

01:11:55 ◼   ► for when you're on the couch,

01:11:56 ◼   ► and the computer for when you're on the desk.

01:11:59 ◼   ► But just maybe imagine that is all I'm saying.

01:12:03 ◼   ► I mean, it would be pretty sweet.

01:12:04 ◼   ► - It would be. - It would be.

01:12:05 ◼   ► - But they're never gonna do it.

01:12:06 ◼   ► - No, I don't think so.

01:12:08 ◼   ► I would like it, but I don't know about it.

01:12:10 ◼   ► - They're never gonna do it.

01:12:11 ◼   ► So Thunderbolt will enable faster transfer speeds,

01:12:15 ◼   ► faster charging rates, hopefully.

01:12:17 ◼   ► And you know, maybe at some point,

01:12:20 ◼   ► I will be able to plug in my phone into an eGPU

01:12:23 ◼   ► and see what happens.

01:12:24 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:12:25 ◼   ► - You have to try that, you know,

01:12:28 ◼   ► you're obligated to try that.

01:12:30 ◼   ► - I tried, by the way,

01:12:32 ◼   ► what happens if you plug an iPad Pro into an eGPU?

01:12:34 ◼   ► Nothing happens.

01:12:35 ◼   ► - Nothing happens. - No, nothing happens.

01:12:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, they got a support driver kit, you know,

01:12:39 ◼   ► it takes time.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Also in the rumors is a potential big camera update

01:12:44 ◼   ► for the Pro Max Ultra,

01:12:46 ◼   ► a periscope lens that could allow five to six times

01:12:50 ◼   ► optical zoom.

01:12:53 ◼   ► This actually came up to me,

01:12:54 ◼   ► I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday about,

01:12:57 ◼   ► you know, he's like, you know,

01:12:58 ◼   ► what are the new iPhones gonna be?

01:12:59 ◼   ► And I was like, you know,

01:13:00 ◼   ► rumor is the big one's gonna get this nice optical zoom.

01:13:04 ◼   ► And he was like, legitimately excited about this.

01:13:08 ◼   ► I think he's on an iPhone 12 maybe.

01:13:10 ◼   ► So he's kind of like, you know,

01:13:11 ◼   ► about time to upgrade on his cycle.

01:13:14 ◼   ► And he wants it to be able to take like

01:13:16 ◼   ► better pictures of his kids, like playing sports.

01:13:18 ◼   ► Like I think one of their kids plays golf

01:13:20 ◼   ► and we've all done it, right?

01:13:22 ◼   ► We like zoom in too far on a phone

01:13:24 ◼   ► and it's like really pixely

01:13:25 ◼   ► 'cause the digital zoom just kind of falls down

01:13:27 ◼   ► after a certain point.

01:13:28 ◼   ► But if the optical zoom can get you closer,

01:13:31 ◼   ► you may not need to go to the digital zoom at all.

01:13:33 ◼   ► You know, what we saw from 2X to 3X.

01:13:35 ◼   ► And so while this seems like it's just gonna be

01:13:38 ◼   ► on the big phone because of the physicality

01:13:40 ◼   ► of a periscope lens,

01:13:42 ◼   ► I do think that people are gonna find this

01:13:43 ◼   ► to be a meaningful camera update.

01:13:46 ◼   ► Now, will that push more people to the big phone,

01:13:48 ◼   ► the most expensive phone?

01:13:49 ◼   ► We're gonna talk about prices in a minute.

01:13:51 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:13:52 ◼   ► But I do think for people who are already

01:13:54 ◼   ► willing to carry the biggest phone

01:13:57 ◼   ► or the camera's like the most important thing,

01:14:00 ◼   ► this could be a real selling point.

01:14:03 ◼   ► And I'm very excited to see how Apple

01:14:05 ◼   ► talks about this periscope zoom lens.

01:14:09 ◼   ► I'm hopeful that we still have something

01:14:12 ◼   ► in the 2 or 3X region that's optical

01:14:15 ◼   ► in addition to the 5 or 6.

01:14:17 ◼   ► I hope that we don't have to go from 1 to 5

01:14:19 ◼   ► and everything else is in between is digital.

01:14:22 ◼   ► But I think this could be a big deal

01:14:24 ◼   ► for a lot of people looking for a new phone.

01:14:28 ◼   ► - I think you're gonna lose the 3.

01:14:31 ◼   ► And I think it's probably one of the reasons

01:14:33 ◼   ► why they introduced the cropped 2X.

01:14:38 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:14:38 ◼   ► - And made such a big deal over the fact that like,

01:14:41 ◼   ► it is optical in a way.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Right, like you know, it's like,

01:14:45 ◼   ► yeah but it's just the middle part.

01:14:47 ◼   ► And like they might do more of that I think.

01:14:49 ◼   ► - I think so too.

01:14:50 ◼   ► - They're not gonna add another,

01:14:51 ◼   ► it's not gonna be another lens, right?

01:14:54 ◼   ► They're gonna do like four lenses.

01:14:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, surely not.

01:14:56 ◼   ► - Now we're doing four lenses.

01:14:58 ◼   ► - Screw it, four lenses.

01:15:00 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm hoping for some overall camera improvements

01:15:07 ◼   ► on this phone and I'm excited for the,

01:15:12 ◼   ► I'm excited for the periscope zoom just to see what it does.

01:15:15 ◼   ► But I am hoping for something that improves the issue

01:15:19 ◼   ► I have where I feel like the macro mode

01:15:21 ◼   ► is on way more than I want it to be.

01:15:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a little quick to jump to that.

01:15:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, they've got to do something to change the,

01:15:30 ◼   ► is it the focal distance?

01:15:32 ◼   ► Like the focal range, that was one of the things

01:15:34 ◼   ► that changed when they added the larger sensor,

01:15:36 ◼   ► which is why it flips to that macro mode so much.

01:15:39 ◼   ► And I really wanna see something change there

01:15:41 ◼   ► because look, it's good, but it's not as high quality

01:15:45 ◼   ► as the main lens and I would like them to try

01:15:48 ◼   ► and find some way to improve upon that situation.

01:15:52 ◼   ► - Lastly, let's talk about price.

01:15:54 ◼   ► It seems like there could be an increase of $100

01:15:57 ◼   ► to the base price of the Pro phones.

01:16:00 ◼   ► The 14 Pro is 999 for 128 gigs

01:16:04 ◼   ► and the 14 Pro Max is 1099 for 128 gigs.

01:16:08 ◼   ► Of course, both those prices are here in the US.

01:16:11 ◼   ► It's unclear, I think to me, maybe I missed this,

01:16:14 ◼   ► that would that price increase still be at 128 gigs

01:16:18 ◼   ► or maybe they bumped to 256 to help justify the $100?

01:16:23 ◼   ► I just don't know, but it feels like people

01:16:26 ◼   ► are pretty confident that these Pro phones

01:16:28 ◼   ► are gonna be a little bit more this year, which hurts

01:16:32 ◼   ► because these phones are really expensive.

01:16:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would love to see how they justify

01:16:38 ◼   ► the price increase on the Pro phone.

01:16:40 ◼   ► Like at least with the Pro Max,

01:16:41 ◼   ► if it's gonna be different, like the Ultra, right?

01:16:44 ◼   ► Like it's gonna be different,

01:16:45 ◼   ► it's gonna have different features more than the other phones

01:16:48 ◼   ► while I don't want the prices to increase,

01:16:50 ◼   ► I could see how they would, you know, like all this

01:16:53 ◼   ► and that, but like, yeah, I think it's gonna be complicated

01:16:56 ◼   ► to increase the price of the regular Pro.

01:16:59 ◼   ► - I think so too and I think maybe that's why

01:17:02 ◼   ► they'll bump it to 256 to help balance that out,

01:17:07 ◼   ► but we'll see, like all this stuff, right?

01:17:09 ◼   ► We're just a couple of weeks away.

01:17:10 ◼   ► So a couple other just miscellaneous things

01:17:13 ◼   ► that could be coming in this September event,

01:17:16 ◼   ► Apple reportedly plans to announce a USB-C charging case

01:17:20 ◼   ► with a new somehow updated AirPods Pro.

01:17:24 ◼   ► I wonder if they'll do like what they did

01:17:26 ◼   ► with the wireless case that you could also just buy the case

01:17:29 ◼   ► for your existing AirPods Pro.

01:17:32 ◼   ► I think that's a little unclear at this point,

01:17:34 ◼   ► but if you're moving away from lightning,

01:17:36 ◼   ► you kind of want your accessories to do that too.

01:17:39 ◼   ► Now it's different I think with the keyboard,

01:17:40 ◼   ► trackpad or mouse that's at your desk all the time

01:17:43 ◼   ► that yeah, like those will go to USB-C at some point,

01:17:46 ◼   ► but if you have lightning ones, that's less of a big deal.

01:17:49 ◼   ► But if you're traveling and you have USB-C phone,

01:17:53 ◼   ► USB-C laptop, USB-C iPad, and just your AirPods

01:17:57 ◼   ► or lightning, that's a bit of a bummer.

01:17:59 ◼   ► So I'm hopeful that they'll have a case

01:18:02 ◼   ► that you could just purchase for less

01:18:03 ◼   ► 'cause a lot of people, you know,

01:18:05 ◼   ► may not be ready to upgrade their full AirPods Pro,

01:18:08 ◼   ► but it makes sense that this has to follow.

01:18:11 ◼   ► - There's precedent, there's precedent for that, right?

01:18:14 ◼   ► Was it the original AirPods

01:18:17 ◼   ► where they had a wireless charging case that came later on?

01:18:20 ◼   ► - When the phone got wireless charging.

01:18:21 ◼   ► So I think the phone and AirPods basically have to be

01:18:24 ◼   ► lockstep with their charging technology.

01:18:27 ◼   ► And then we mentioned earlier the possible inclusion

01:18:30 ◼   ► of 3D printing technology in the Apple Watch Series 9.

01:18:34 ◼   ► - Other than that, the Series 9 looks like

01:18:35 ◼   ► a pretty small update, some possible new finishes or colors,

01:18:40 ◼   ► and then the Ultra 2,

01:18:43 ◼   ► potentially a new darker titanium finish.

01:18:46 ◼   ► So maybe whatever they do on the space black

01:18:48 ◼   ► or the Titan gray, something, the Pro phone,

01:18:52 ◼   ► maybe that would carry over to the Ultra 2.

01:18:56 ◼   ► Mike, you're in the market for a new Apple Watch, right?

01:19:00 ◼   ► You're looking at the Ultra?

01:19:01 ◼   ► - This is the thing I'm most excited about.

01:19:03 ◼   ► I'm more excited about just buying an Apple Watch Ultra

01:19:07 ◼   ► than any of the rumors for the iPhone.

01:19:11 ◼   ► 'Cause I want one.

01:19:12 ◼   ► I want the new watch and my poor little watch that could,

01:19:16 ◼   ► like more often than not these days,

01:19:18 ◼   ► I'm getting that 10% battery warning at the end of the day,

01:19:23 ◼   ► even though I charge my watch every morning when I wake up

01:19:26 ◼   ► 'cause I do the sleep tracking.

01:19:28 ◼   ► So I really want the new Apple Watch.

01:19:32 ◼   ► I'm very excited about it.

01:19:33 ◼   ► And it's gonna be fun for me,

01:19:36 ◼   ► like with the new watch OS as well,

01:19:38 ◼   ► like getting new watch OS and new watch,

01:19:40 ◼   ► like new screen size and stuff.

01:19:42 ◼   ► I think that's gonna be pretty cool

01:19:43 ◼   ► because it does look like the new watch OS

01:19:46 ◼   ► is being designed a little bit more

01:19:48 ◼   ► with a bigger screen in mind, right?

01:19:50 ◼   ► Like going kind of like full color and stuff like that.

01:19:53 ◼   ► So I'm pretty excited about,

01:19:55 ◼   ► I am actually really excited about

01:19:56 ◼   ► the new Apple Watch for me.

01:19:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, if it's only,

01:19:59 ◼   ► if it's just a new dark titanium finish,

01:20:01 ◼   ► I'm not gonna upgrade.

01:20:03 ◼   ► I got my ultra in the same, no, was it January?

01:20:07 ◼   ► A few months ago, really.

01:20:09 ◼   ► And if it's just a new color and maybe new chip,

01:20:12 ◼   ► like whatever, I'm not gonna upgrade my ultra.

01:20:15 ◼   ► I'm just gonna keep this one and maybe consider next year.