470: Senior Vice President of Worldwide Nibbing


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00:00:08   From Real AFM, this is Connected, episode 470. Today's show is brought to you by FitBod and ExpressVPN.

00:00:16   My name is Michael Hurley and I have the pleasure of being joined by Federico Vittucci. Hello Federico.

00:00:22   Hello Michael Hurley, how are you? Hello, hello. I'm attempting a rebrand.

00:00:28   Are you hard? Yeah, I'm rebranding, I'm Michael now.

00:00:31   Okay, hello Michael. Well, we're gonna talk about it later, but I've lost some branding,

00:00:36   so I'm going all in on a new brand. What branding have you lost?

00:00:41   Now, wait for your introduction. I am Federico Vittucci and I am also joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:48   Hello Steven Hackett, how are you? Hello Federico Vittucci and Michael Hurley.

00:00:54   Hello, I mean we can address the branding thing now if you want to and then we can talk about

00:00:59   everything else later on. Yeah, what branding do you think you've lost and we'll come back to it.

00:01:04   I have an audio clip to play for you. John and I were discussing this idea and obviously adding

00:01:11   another review to the mix of annual reviews that we do. It's not something we take lightly,

00:01:17   so if we wanted to do this, we were all in agreement, we needed to get it right to do it,

00:01:23   you know, to do the OS justice and what better way than to get in touch with the TVOS guy,

00:01:30   the expert, to get this done for Mac Stories and we're really happy with the results and

00:01:36   we're really happy that you agreed to work with us for this project segment.

00:01:40   Oh, that was an interesting name at the end there, you know, because what it sounds like

00:01:45   Federico is about to introduce me to App Stories as the TVOS guy, you know, but it turns out that

00:01:52   there's been a new one, you know, now Sigmin's the TVOS guy, much to everybody's surprise.

00:01:55   I asked you multiple times over the years, do you want to write? And you're like, no,

00:02:01   I don't like writing. I could be the TVOS guy here, you know, the name you gave me, but now

00:02:07   that name has been taken away and given to someone else, so I am officially retired.

00:02:12   Oh my god. I'm retired. Federico, you have blessed me with retirement from having to

00:02:19   ever think about writing or doing any kind of TVOS. Now you can go to the beach without an

00:02:24   Apple TV in your bag. That's going to be great. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm just

00:02:28   saying it's happened. You know what I mean? Like I'm no longer the TVOS guy.

00:02:33   Now Sigmin's the TVOS guy. I did this for you. No, you didn't. You didn't even know you did it.

00:02:39   Actually, behind the scenes was all part of this master plan.

00:02:46   Right, right, right, right. To do you a favor and free you from this responsibility.

00:02:52   So in fact, you should be grateful to me. Right, should I?

00:02:57   Yes. Well, what I am not grateful for is the amount of messages that I've been receiving

00:03:02   over the last 48 hours of some variation of... where's Mike?

00:03:07   That's a byproduct of the audience. No, but like seriously, I have asked you over the years

00:03:15   multiple times, why don't you write? Why don't you write? What am I going to put on,

00:03:18   Mike? So is your photo? Like, yes, he's the TVOS guy.

00:03:23   He's connected. Here he is.

00:03:24   Like, what am I going to do? You know?

00:03:27   No, I don't want to do it. You don't want to edit me anyway. Can you imagine that?

00:03:30   Boy, oh boy. You'd never get your review done. You know what I mean?

00:03:35   We'd be here until November and would still be working on it.

00:03:37   But you know, it's just like...

00:03:41   Wow did I feel when I saw Sigmund's piece go up on on Mac stories? I was like, oh, interesting.

00:03:46   There's a TVOS review. And then I turn on one of my favorite podcasts, App Stories.

00:03:51   And then I think, you know, I hear Federico doing a wonderful introduction and then he's just the

00:03:56   TVOS guy. And then at that moment, like a spirit left my body and went into the heavens. And then

00:04:02   no longer do I need to do it. Because let me tell you boys, I realized today I haven't even

00:04:07   installed TVOS 17. I forgot. I was like, oh, look at all these features. I forgot to do this. And so

00:04:14   I'm very happy to not have to have to think about that anymore. But now I am rebranded. Now I am

00:04:21   Michael Hurley. Mike Hurley was a TVOS guy. Michael Hurley is a different person. We don't know what

00:04:25   kind of guy he is yet. Maybe we'll find out. Michael Hurley is the Vision Pro guy.

00:04:30   Nailed it. All right. I'll take that. I'll take that. So far I've had pretty good success with

00:04:37   that. So that's me. My guess is reviewing VisionOS is going to be much more complicated than reviewing

00:04:43   TVOS. I'm just saying the level of work may be different. But let's also say, though, probably

00:04:49   more fun and interesting. Or fun and interesting. Because TVOS, you know, it's great, but there

00:04:58   ain't a lot going on there on a year to year basis. But TVOS, no wait, VisionOS, that's the one.

00:05:05   I've got to get it right first if I'm going to become the VisionOS guy. So I'm so used to being

00:05:09   the TVOS guy, you know, it became part of my identity, but then it was taken away from me.

00:05:14   But now as the VisionOS guy, I get a new life. Michael Hurley, the VisionOS guy. That's me.

00:05:20   You're like a superhero that somehow lost their powers.

00:05:23   Yes.

00:05:24   And now you're just a normal person walking around, but you kind of don't know what to do

00:05:27   with yourself.

00:05:28   Yeah. So I have to like get bitten by a radioactive Vision Pro. And then I can become the VisionOS guy.

00:05:34   You need to get bit by, you need to get bit by Tim Cook.

00:05:37   You become the...

00:05:40   If he's offering, I don't know what to say, you know. If Tim Cook said...

00:05:44   Jonathan Ternes.

00:05:45   If he said, can I bite you? I mean, what are you going to say?

00:05:50   All right, all right, all right. Hold on, hold on.

00:05:52   What are you going to say?

00:05:55   Which Apple executive?

00:05:58   John Ternes.

00:06:01   Ternes.

00:06:01   John Ternes.

00:06:03   100%.

00:06:03   We all know. We all know. Come on. It's John Ternes for me all day.

00:06:08   All right. You can get bitten by an Apple executive and you get their associated platform.

00:06:16   Like you get their powers?

00:06:19   You get their powers. So you become the platform guy. Okay. So you can get bitten by Craig,

00:06:25   by Tim. If you get bitten by Tim, you get everything. You're like the successor to the

00:06:30   throne by John Ternes, by Joss Wiak.

00:06:34   Jeff Williams.

00:06:36   Jeff Williams.

00:06:37   I honestly, like between us and the rest of the audience, like I would totally let Craig,

00:06:47   you know, bite me.

00:06:49   Yeah, because you want Craig's powers.

00:06:52   You can finally fix stage manager.

00:06:56   Yes. Or there's also Eddie Q. You know, you become the services guy.

00:07:01   I think he might like you.

00:07:02   No one can handle Eddie's power. No one can take that. That's too much. That's too much

00:07:07   for just one mortal. You know what I mean? Steven, who do you want to bite you?

00:07:12   Who do you want to bite you, Steven?

00:07:18   Come on. Just a little bite. Just a little.

00:07:21   Just a little nibble, huh Steven? What executive do you want to give you the nib nib?

00:07:26   Just a little nib. Just a little.

00:07:28   I've always felt a connection to Phil Schiller. So.

00:07:35   Okay. That's a strong bite.

00:07:39   It's a strong bite.

00:07:39   I think I want Joss's powers. I want, because I want that job. That's the job I want.

00:07:45   A strategic approach. I like it.

00:07:47   The senior vice president of worldwide nibbing.

00:07:50   Yes. That would be me, baby.

00:07:52   There's some people in here I don't recognize. I haven't looked at this in a long time.

00:07:56   Well, that's a section of a podcast that we recorded. Let's do follow up.

00:08:05   We all know that the fine woven case, it's not that great. And I went out and picked up,

00:08:10   by went out, I mean, opened a web browser.

00:08:12   Onto the internet.

00:08:14   I went out onto the information super highway and I bought myself a nomad leather case. Now

00:08:22   they have two leather cases. They have Horween. Is that how you say it? Leather?

00:08:27   That's the good leather.

00:08:29   Yes. I bought the cheaper one because these.

00:08:31   Oh, parentheses. I also got one and I got the good leather and it's coming tomorrow.

00:08:36   Okay. Well, I don't have any complaints about the less expensive leather, but I really like this

00:08:43   case for a few reasons. I like leather cases. Nomad has like plastered all over their website

00:08:51   that they've been carbon neutral since 2020. So smoke on that apple, I guess. But you know,

00:08:57   yeah, I think the leather is nicer than Apple's old cases. Even the, the poor man leather that I

00:09:02   got, the buttons are plastic, but they're really nice. Like they, they have a nice feel to them.

00:09:10   And one thing I really like is that the sleep wake Siri Apple pay button is textured. So you

00:09:17   can kind of feel, feel it real easily as opposed to the other buttons on the other side. And it

00:09:24   has a button for the, uh, for the action button, unlike the peak design case, which is a cutout.

00:09:29   I don't know if we made it to this point last week in the show, but peak design is going to

00:09:34   rework that case. And there's a bunch of options on their website. If you've bought one like me,

00:09:38   you can, they'll send you another one or you can get credit or something else. There's a

00:09:41   bunch of different things. Um, but one thing that's really clever about the Nomad case is

00:09:47   that the sides aren't flat. They're like scooped in. So what is that? Is that concave or convex?

00:09:54   I don't remember which one is which, but concave unless somebody says it's convex and it's convex.

00:10:00   That's hard to argue with. And so the buttons are like recessed a little bit and it makes the phone

00:10:07   feel more narrow in your hand and it gives a place for your fingers to kind of go when you're holding

00:10:12   it. I think it's all super well-designed. The only thing I don't love about it is that the bottom of

00:10:18   the case doesn't really hug the phone. It's like the peak design case and that there's some like

00:10:22   structure in the bottom. So there's a few millimeters of space between the bottom of

00:10:28   the case and like where the phone is, where it can collect like pocket debris and stuff.

00:10:32   So it does make the phone a hair taller than it is normally. But I think if you,

00:10:37   the phone's not moving around in there though. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's just like there's,

00:10:41   I mean if you look at the pictures I think you can see it on their website.

00:10:43   But I am very happy with this and I think if you are looking for a leather case, I think

00:10:51   Federico can report back about the about the Horween leather, but I'm very happy with mine

00:11:01   and I give it a thumbs up. That's good to hear. Yeah and also like the reason why I got the Nomad

00:11:06   one is that I did a lot of research last week. Nomad and I believe another that is coming,

00:11:12   however, I sent them an email at the end of October. This other company called Bullstrap.

00:11:17   Conball, Bullstrap.

00:11:19   Yeah, I know with these names. Conball, Bullstrap. I got a thing for bulls I guess.

00:11:24   You're bullish on this case.

00:11:27   No, no, not again, not again, please. Not that thing again. These two companies, Nomad and

00:11:34   Bullstrap, they have proper action buttons instead of like having left like a hole for reaching the

00:11:41   action button, which is a big no-no from me. How is this the case? I don't understand.

00:11:46   I don't understand. How did they know to do this?

00:11:48   Aren't these companies like, wasn't, isn't the whole thing about iPhone rumors that these

00:11:54   companies get these CAD designs beforehand, like months before and they can prepare accordingly?

00:12:00   Like what happened here with this action button? Why are all these companies struggling with,

00:12:05   oh, do we leave a hole or do we make it a button?

00:12:08   Because it's how confident, right? Like that's what I'm looking, when I see this, it's like,

00:12:13   this is a confidence thing, right? Where like Bullstrap and Nomad, they were confident.

00:12:21   Peak Design weren't confident. You know what I mean? Right?

00:12:24   And if you're going to play it safe, a hole is safer than putting a button there.

00:12:29   That's what I'm saying about the confidence thing, right? And like, so maybe some companies either

00:12:34   are more like, they're more willing to take a risk or they just have better sources, right?

00:12:40   Like maybe Peak Design sources, they weren't as confident on it. So they didn't want to

00:12:45   go the route of, we're going to do this. Cause also like you can notice a button,

00:12:50   but like how big is the button? Like how much does it stick out? Like all that kind of stuff.

00:12:54   And so there's a, and also there's new tooling, right? That you're going to need for the button.

00:13:00   Where the companies that just left the hole there, right? They had a hole there before,

00:13:04   right? So they didn't, they wouldn't necessarily need to like redo their tooling to account for,

00:13:10   here's a new button. And then again, it was like, people didn't know at certain points,

00:13:16   if that button was going to be a physical button or like a button that was like the force touch

00:13:23   button. And then we weren't sure with like, would it actually require your finger? Was it going to

00:13:28   be capacitive or not? Do you remember all those rumors? And so like, if it was a capacitive button,

00:13:33   it might not be able to be, have a physical button cover at all. So you'd want a hole there. So

00:13:38   I don't know. It's a nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare. And I, I would not,

00:13:42   I could not even imagine running one of these case companies. It just feels like so much stress.

00:13:49   Oh, I hate it. I hate the thought of it. I think a lot about cases for somebody who doesn't

00:13:55   have one. I don't, I love it. I love not, I love this phone about case on boys. It's so good.

00:14:01   It's the, so it's just so nice, you know, and I don't have to worry about combos and stuff.

00:14:06   I'm all good. I don't have to worry about the grain of a leather or carbon neutrality of a case.

00:14:12   I just don't have one. It's great. Love it. We had to say a little collection of new iPhone

00:14:20   related questions and feedback from listeners. So I thought we could kind of go through these.

00:14:25   The first one I'm going to direct to you Federico. David wrote in saying,

00:14:31   can the action be set to undo? I still find myself annoyed at the three finger gestures,

00:14:37   even if they are an improvement on shaking your device to undo.

00:14:40   Nope, but that's a pretty good idea, but there's no sort of system-wide undo action in shortcuts,

00:14:49   which I think is a fantastic suggestion, but no, it doesn't exist.

00:14:53   It's so weird that we would shake and still shake our devices. That's such a strange thing.

00:15:02   Yeah. That first showed up as shake to shuffle on like ancient iPods. And they're like,

00:15:07   Oh, we can make it work on undo. And it was cute on the iPhone 3G, but now 2,700 years later,

00:15:13   we're still doing it. It's very strange. I do not remember shake to shuffle. That is

00:15:18   a thing that I have no memory of. Yeah, man. That's wild. Yeah. Shake to shuffle.

00:15:22   It's my new ska band. Okay. Albert wrote in and said, I'm a cyclist and have been wanting to

00:15:31   upgrade my camera to take better photos while out riding of landscapes, closeups, animals in

00:15:37   the distance, that kind of thing. I have been debating a dedicated camera versus the new Pro Max.

00:15:41   Do you think the new camera system would do a decent job capturing long distance cycling

00:15:45   adventures? Steven is the cyclist of us. Federico, I have a question for you.

00:15:52   Okay. Actually, real quick. Can you ride a bike? What do you mean? Do you know how to ride a bicycle?

00:15:58   Sure. Yes. Okay. I don't. I never learned to ride a bicycle. That's what we can do. That could be

00:16:05   our next dad project. I can teach you to ride a bike. That could be the nephew and uncle.

00:16:10   My dad never taught me how to ride a bike. So uncle Steven will. There's something kind of

00:16:16   sad about that because it is actually true. Like, no, my dad never taught me how to ride a bike.

00:16:19   When I was little, I was big time into riding my bike. In fact, something that we would do every

00:16:27   summer with my friends at the sort of glamping area where my parents used to take me, we would

00:16:34   ride a bike for like 30 minutes off this like road that like runs along the coast of central Italy.

00:16:42   Because like 20 minutes away from the camping area, there was this golf course. Okay. And we

00:16:48   would go there outside the golf course where cars would drive because we wanted to steal

00:16:54   golf balls that made their way onto the road. So we would go there. We would go there with like

00:17:01   our bags or like a plastic bag or something and drop our bikes. And on the side of the road,

00:17:07   steal the golf balls, which I still have. Let me tell you, as a golfist,

00:17:10   you're not stealing that ball. That ball's gone. That ball is lost to the world. That's free balls

00:17:17   for you, you know? We thought we were stealing them and then it would feel more dangerous.

00:17:21   So yeah, I would like to keep that memory like that.

00:17:27   Anyway, so Stephen, question goes back to you. Is this a good idea camera wise?

00:17:34   I think the Pro Max is a great, great camera for this. You could do something like one of

00:17:42   those like little compact Sonys like the ZV-2 or you know, whatever RX100 generation they're on

00:17:48   now, but that's a lot of money. And they're really bulky compared to a phone that you're already

00:17:53   going to have on you. So I would say go for the Pro Max and enjoy it. I've got a phrase for you

00:18:01   I just came up with guys. I think you might like it. The best camera is the one you have on you.

00:18:06   Do you like that? Ooh, very interesting. I just came up with that. I just came up with that.

00:18:10   That's good. So I will, I will, I will insert here a comment about iOS 17 and watchOS 10's

00:18:18   cycling features where you can start a cycling workout on your watch. And you can have basically

00:18:24   a full screen live activity that turns your phone into a bike computer. I sent you all a screenshot

00:18:29   over the weekend. I was out on a ride and I love that feature. And there's a bunch of different

00:18:34   screens. So you could have your heart rate be the most important thing or your speed or your

00:18:38   mileage, whatever you want. And it's really awesome. And I like that cycling is getting

00:18:44   special attention over the Apple watch offices. Brent wrote in, I am one of the sickos that

00:18:50   listens to podcast-a-thon audio. I'm not usually able to tune in for the live event itself for more

00:18:57   than an hour or so, but I still enjoy hearing all the antics. Well, Brent, it's now in the departures

00:19:02   fees. So go wild. Yeah, but like, well, one Brent, I appreciate that you are willing to self identify

00:19:09   as a sicko because you are one. Uh, you can also watch it though. Like it's on YouTube. You don't,

00:19:16   you don't have, just cause you missed it. It's not like, Oh, now I have to have the audio.

00:19:20   The video is there too, you know, but Hey, you know, it takes all kinds. It does.

00:19:27   Maybe you want a transcript of it and you want to read it

00:19:33   for some fire up whisper. I wonder how long it'll take whisper to transcribe a 12 hour event.

00:19:40   It took YouTube to publish the, to process the video. Oh don't it dude. I can't even talk about

00:19:46   it. I'm so mad. I got a couple of GPUs. Maybe I can help. Fire up the eGPUs boys. Fire them up.

00:19:56   That's going to be totally carbon neutral as a thing to do. And yeah, just transcribe 12 hours

00:20:02   of podcast, the whole audio. That's fine. Easy peasy. Now I want to try it.

00:20:06   You should just do it. You should just do it. Just see why not? I mean, I, I, I do have whisper

00:20:16   set up to run on GPU as a thing I tested a while back. Someone should do it. Um, I also have a

00:20:23   piece of followup that I wanted to mention. Um, Apple is destroying my life metaphorically speaking.

00:20:31   Of course. Of course. They're at, they're, they're at his home taking his belongings out right now.

00:20:37   No, no, no. It's a metaphor. Oh, okay. No, it's all, look, it's all these bites, man.

00:20:42   Too many nips. Um, no, but I am really struggling with reminders. Um, because of these two specific

00:20:53   bugs that I've been mentioning for the past couple of months and they're still not fixed in the 17.1

00:21:01   beta two that came out yesterday for developers just a few minutes ago in the public beta. Um,

00:21:07   they are making it impossible for me to keep using reminders, which by the way, I would love to keep

00:21:14   using reminders. However, when your task manager does not let you enter due dates for a task. Now,

00:21:20   that's a pretty bad issue. Um, and I have this problem in two different flavors on the iPad and

00:21:27   on the iPhone. On the iPad, uh, because of that floating keyboard thing that I keep mentioning,

00:21:34   whenever I enter a task title and part of that title, there's the natural language date,

00:21:42   the date picker disappears. So on my iPad with a magic keyboard, say, I enter call mom, and then I

00:21:50   type today at 11 PM on the iPad, the date picker thing disappears. And there's no way for me to

00:21:58   like, if I press enter, it does not get converted into a due date. The task title becomes call mom

00:22:06   today at 11 PM. Like, um, so that's on the iPad. On the iPhone, um, the there's no external keyboard

00:22:15   that I'm using of course, but when I enter a due date iOS, instead of correctly parsing the date,

00:22:22   just randomly assigns a random date. For example, if I type Monday at 10 AM, it becomes

00:22:32   today at 2 AM, just a random date. Why is this? Because this works for me. So a bunch of people

00:22:42   have asked me like, Oh, is it because you have a weird region setting on your phone? No, I do not.

00:22:48   I have my phone set to the English language. I am using the US region setting and I am not, yes. And

00:22:56   I am not using 24 hour time. So I am quote unquote, an American with an English speaking phone.

00:23:07   Just trying to do American things like entering a due date in a task manager.

00:23:12   I hate all the American pastime.

00:23:15   Every American does it. They have dinner.

00:23:20   American dreams.

00:23:21   Living the American life. You have dinner at 6 PM and then you're like, well, I got a few hours here.

00:23:28   Got a few hours to kill. Better enter some tasks.

00:23:35   I'm living my best American life over here. And yet, and yet Apple doesn't let me because they

00:23:42   have these date bugs. And I'm like, look, I really want to use reminders. Like I really love reminders,

00:23:50   but these two problems are pretty like core features of a task manager. And so yeah.

00:23:59   It's so weird that it's not working for you and not working for you so badly and on multiple platforms.

00:24:08   In two different ways on two different platforms. I guess it works on the Mac.

00:24:14   So, yay. I could use.

00:24:16   Everybody knows you could only get real task management done on the Mac. Everybody knows.

00:24:22   Too bad the rest of the reminders is worse on the Mac than the iPhone or iPad.

00:24:25   Yeah, don't mention that. Don't mention that. So while I am crossing my fingers and waiting for

00:24:34   these problems to get fixed, I have been looking at things again. I don't think like I don't,

00:24:42   I don't think I would like to switch the things for all the reasons why I love reminders.

00:24:48   The Siri capture, the column view, which is new this year. But things as one thing going for it,

00:24:56   which I mentioned last week and I've continued to play with it. And I think it's really interesting

00:25:03   that idea of using the action button in things to sort of as a right click, essentially.

00:25:11   Things as a shortcuts action called edit selected item or I guess get selected item.

00:25:19   And the idea is whatever is selected in the app, you can modify it. And so using the action button

00:25:26   with that shortcut, I created like a little thing where if I select a task in things and I press

00:25:34   the action button, I can reschedule it like a date picker comes up. And it's like, it's a

00:25:41   very easy and fast way to select something. Let me move it to tomorrow, for example.

00:25:46   So this is a shortcut that you can assign to the action button that when you're in the app

00:25:52   and you do something, it brings up there like right click menu, essentially.

00:25:56   Well, it's not their right click menu. It's my right click menu in the sense that

00:26:02   the shortcuts date picker comes up and it lets me select a date from the calendar

00:26:10   and a time and then it modifies the selected to do.

00:26:15   But it's a things shortcut action though.

00:26:17   Yes.

00:26:18   Oh no. Yeah. So that's what I mean. You assign a shortcut action to the action button that is from

00:26:25   things. And then when you are in things and you press the button, it modifies something inside

00:26:32   of the application.

00:26:32   Yes, that's exactly what it does.

00:26:34   What happens if you press that button and you haven't got things open?

00:26:39   Well, you will have to wait for my next multi-button update to find out.

00:26:45   But if you were to assign it, it wouldn't do anything?

00:26:50   So, all right. So a small spoiler, I guess. I am working on this system where, because I am

00:26:57   convinced that more developers are going to ship these actions that are like contextual to the

00:27:04   app that you're using. I believe Halide, the camera app, they're doing something along these

00:27:09   lines today. I believe they're launching it today or this week, something similar. And I think more

00:27:14   developers will follow. I am working on this system where the action button switches to that

00:27:22   behavior only if one of these apps is open. And it's a very simple automation. You're effectively

00:27:29   logging, is things open? Is Halide open? Is something else open? And if it is, you press

00:27:35   the action button and it becomes contextual. If it's not, it falls back to whatever you

00:27:41   want to use the action button for.

00:27:42   That is very cool.

00:27:45   Yeah. But anyway, hoping for reminders, fixes at some point, please.

00:27:52   Things is the best looking to do that.

00:27:56   Yes.

00:27:57   Right?

00:27:58   It is. Best view app and best shortcuts integration and best keyboard support.

00:28:06   They have their quirks.

00:28:09   Well, the biggest issue is the one that we've been talking about forever is the way that

00:28:14   they handle repeating tasks that you can't deal with them before the day. And that's the thing

00:28:20   that I just can't... I can't use it as my main app. I do use things for certain tasks. Like I

00:28:27   have a bunch of templates that I built with their new shortcut actions that I run. So

00:28:33   for posting Cortex, I have a very long checklist and I run it in things. And I've moved my

00:28:40   packing list from notes to things. And it's very nice and very easy. I just run a shortcut

00:28:46   and it can do it. And it just pulls in a project and duplicates that project and I can run with

00:28:53   it. And I love doing that and I find it very good. But I just can't... It's not something

00:28:56   that I could do for my every task stuff because I do a lot of repeating reminders, but I don't

00:29:04   necessarily do them on the day that I set. One last bit of follow up slash breaking news.

00:29:09   iOS 17.0.3 is out. According to our friend Chance Miller at 9to5Mac, it addresses the

00:29:18   overheating concerns on the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max. Apple says this update provides

00:29:24   important bug fixes, security updates and addresses an issue that may cause iPhone to

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00:32:08   support of the show and Relay FM. Exciting news. This is, for realsies, the final call for our

00:32:18   annual St. Jude campaign. Final call, part two, underscore final. Yes, yes. As of our recording,

00:32:29   we are over our previous record by $50,000, which is pretty great. Incredible. I did not expect

00:32:39   that. It's amazing. Our community is the best. But if you haven't given, there's still a few

00:32:45   days. And the reason we do this is because St. Jude's mission is that no child should die of

00:32:53   cancer. And with your support, we'll be one step closer to that day. One cure closer, one child

00:33:00   closer. We spoke about an area of the hospital called the Family Commons during the podcast

00:33:05   athon. And I think last week on the show, it's this really cool 45,000 square foot area that's

00:33:10   just for families. And there's a recording studio, an art room, a maker space, all sorts of things

00:33:18   where a family can unwind and disconnect from life in the hospital and reconnect with each other.

00:33:24   But something that is just as important of a space and I think just as innovative as a space is the

00:33:31   St. Jude Imagine Academy by Chili's. And this is a school that St. Jude has spanning from preschool

00:33:38   through 12th grade for patients who will be at St. Jude for upward of six weeks. And so the staff

00:33:44   of the school includes teachers trained in English language learner instruction, visual impairment

00:33:50   instruction and services. They have a librarian on staff, a STEM coordinator. There's even reading

00:33:55   dogs who visit to read with the kids. And this Academy helps patients keep up with schoolwork

00:34:01   back home when they're undergoing treatment, but also gives patients what they need at that moment.

00:34:07   So they can be responsive to where the patient is in their treatment, how they're feeling that day,

00:34:13   and they can adjust things as they go. There's also a kindergarten and high school graduation

00:34:19   ceremony every year. Our son Josiah graduated kindergarten through the school. And it was like,

00:34:25   the most adorable thing you've ever seen. I went to St. Jude patients in caps and gowns,

00:34:29   walking across the stage and this like beautiful venue. Super cool. You can find

00:34:34   clips on YouTube from St. Jude's high school graduations in the past.

00:34:38   I love this because St. Jude is in the business of not only treating a patient's cancer or disease,

00:34:44   but they're treating the patient themselves and the family themselves. And they want to make sure

00:34:48   they can do everything they can to keep life moving forward for these families. It's super

00:34:54   cool. And it's just one of many, many things I love about St. Jude. So you want to go to

00:34:59   stjude.org/relay. We would love your support this year to support the life-saving mission of St.

00:35:06   Jude. And on Friday at 11 a.m. Eastern, Mike and I will be hosting the closing ceremonies. We're

00:35:15   going to wind down the campaign with a two-hour stream on Mike's Twitch channel. So be sure to

00:35:20   look out for that. But please go to stjude.org/relay to learn more and donate. Thank you all very much

00:35:28   for an amazing September. And yes, the closing ceremonies are similar to the closing ceremonies

00:35:33   on Connected in that they don't actually really close anything. We will be doing a stream, but

00:35:38   the campaign closes later that day. Yeah, the campaign closes at 10 p.m. Eastern on Friday.

00:35:44   Which is better than last year where we did the closing ceremonies and then kept the campaign

00:35:47   open for a week. We're evolving each year that we do this. Yeah, we're getting better. Like,

00:35:53   you know, this is a learning process for all of us, you know. But sometimes if people want to keep

00:35:58   giving money, you have to keep accepting the money for the kids. Go give. Which is why it's still

00:36:03   September and October because we're up to $756,000 now. Which I will just say, by the way, if you

00:36:09   happen to be sitting on like $36,000, you should donate it. That's a lot to say, you know. Because

00:36:18   that means we're at $3 million. Yeah. Yeah. In five years. We're like staring down the barrel

00:36:24   of $3 million. And so if you have that and you for some reason just haven't donated yet, like you

00:36:29   should go to sangeu.org/relay and donate that. Like, come on. I'll tell you what, if someone

00:36:34   closes that gap in a single donation, I'll give you one of anything out of my collection. Just,

00:36:39   you can pick whatever you want. Oh, there's a term up for grabs. It only costs $36,000.

00:36:43   Come on. That's actually, now I really hope you have to live to regret that. Me too. Mm-hmm. Come

00:36:52   on. $36,000 for the kids. Come plunder the pod cabin. Oh, come on. Write all this down. Write

00:36:59   all this down. It won't happen this time, but write it down. There are some new betas again.

00:37:06   Somehow. Yeah. How are we still talking about new betas? We do it all summer. Why is it here again?

00:37:11   We did it last week, but we're doing it again. But they are actually adding things. So,

00:37:15   17.1 beta 2. So, we have some new display controls for standby mode that let you choose to turn the

00:37:24   display off after 20 seconds to never turn it off or to always allow Apple to choose what to do. It's

00:37:32   like automatic, which is how it's been set. But now there are options. It is worth noting that

00:37:38   these options only exist for always on display phones. You can't set it to never turn off

00:37:44   non always on display phone. So, that's there in case you want that. I've been trying out standby

00:37:50   this past week on my bedside. It's fine. I actually realized I don't need it. For what I like about

00:37:58   standby, it's not helpful to me on my bedside because when I put my phone on charge, I don't

00:38:05   look at the screen anymore. You know? But, so yeah, it's just like a funny thing, but it's there.

00:38:10   It's fine. Whatever. But I still love it for everything else. They also added the Apple Watch

00:38:15   double tap thing in watchOS 10.1. So, that's there now. I'm looking forward to trying that out. I'll

00:38:22   be able to report on that for the show. I'm the only one of the three of us that has it. I'm not

00:38:27   going to put the beta on my watch. So, we're going to need to wait until that comes out later on.

00:38:31   An interesting addition, but I think a good one. So, I really like the photo shuffle lock screen.

00:38:39   It's a cool lock screen option. They've now added the ability for you to choose photos from a

00:38:45   specific album in photo shuffle. Because previously you could only, you could choose, I think from one

00:38:53   of three things. One of those things was people where you could choose people, but as Jason spoke

00:38:59   about an upgrade once, not so long ago, it's a seemingly random set of people sometimes. But I

00:39:06   have one of Adina, like it just shuffles through when I'm in my recording. Focus. So, there are

00:39:12   just different images that show up on my lock screen, which I like. So, you can now, but you

00:39:15   can now just be, so Steven, you can choose from one of your many, many albums. That's good. I still

00:39:20   have a bunch floating around because they didn't add them to shared libraries. But now you can have

00:39:26   them on your lock screen, I guess. This is honestly the weirdest one thing that I found. New ringtones.

00:39:33   Yes. So, they added this new ringtones, I believe in 17, and they got removed in the first beta of

00:39:40   17.1, and now they're back again. Everyone, you got to fix the bugs in the ringtones.

00:39:45   That sounds like someone messed up a git repo. Like they got dropped accidentally.

00:39:51   It's like, hey, where's the files? Where's the tones? It's like, now the tones are back.

00:39:55   I really don't know what would happen to mean that these chain of events occurred.

00:40:02   That's okay. Right? Withering tone? Weird. And I feel like surprisingly, no new emoji yet,

00:40:08   but that might pop up in another beta, but I think, I reckon it will come out with 17.1.

00:40:12   I have a theory about this. Please tell me. I think that if, I think 17.1 will come and go,

00:40:21   and new emoji will be in 17.2 with the journal app. I agree with that. Oh, and maybe finally,

00:40:29   the only feature I want from iOS 17, which is sticker tap backs.

00:40:33   So I would, I'm ready to call it. 17.2, new emoji, sticker tap backs, journal app,

00:40:41   and collaborative playlists in Apple Music. That's a good release. Big, big chunky update.

00:40:47   Yeah. It's almost like 18. Mike, we opened the show with your feeling of abandonment from

00:40:55   Federico and John. Yes. There is a TVOS review over on Mac stories. And I would just like to

00:41:03   state for the record, I don't blame John. Just Federico. Yeah, Federico was the one who said it.

00:41:08   He said the thing. He said TVOS guy. And so because I said it, you think it's my fault.

00:41:12   That's an interesting, you sound like a YouTuber, you know what I mean?

00:41:22   Yep. And, but I look, Sigmund is really good guy. I had a good time meeting Sigmund at WWDC.

00:41:29   He is the proprietor, is that the right word? Of Screentimes.net. And he also hosts a podcast

00:41:37   called Magic Rays of Light. He's also, Sigmund has a great accent, you know, not biased or anything.

00:41:42   And he is devoted himself to these verticals, right? Like Apple's television stuff. And

00:41:52   Sigmund I think was quite smart. He's like one of these people that jumped in on this when Apple

00:41:56   started and then has been around since. And so he was a very good person to write a TVOS review.

00:42:01   And I enjoyed going through it. And just as a top line, the big features of TVOS,

00:42:05   new control center, which I do not like the look of. I think it's ugly. It is. It's useful.

00:42:10   FaceTime and continuity camera. So having FaceTime calls on your TV, but using the camera. VPN

00:42:18   support is going to be really cool. I think it'd be really good for people that like take Apple

00:42:24   TVs with them to hotels, which is like a very cool thing to do. Although Apple really needs to just

00:42:30   get that airplay and TV and hotel TV thing more widely out in the world because Chrome

00:42:39   casting is so simple and like you can do it in basically all hotels. So Apple need to do that.

00:42:45   But that was a thing they announced. So I'm looking forward to seeing more about that.

00:42:47   And there's also the Siri remote finding as well, which is a cool thing. And it works kind of like

00:42:53   how it did in the original AirPods Pro where like it just gives you the rough idea because it's just

00:42:59   using Bluetooth. It doesn't have one of the U1 chips in it. So, but yeah, it's a cool release

00:43:03   and it's a good review from Sigmund. It's really good. And I do want to use this as an opportunity,

00:43:09   Federica, I'm sure you all will share more about this on App Stories, but you are expanding the

00:43:15   Mac Stories crew a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, we've been working on this

00:43:20   over the past month. There are more and friends now. There are more and friends. That is correct.

00:43:27   You were making fun of me for being, you know, Federica with itchy and friends and the friends

00:43:32   were totally John and Alex. Now there's more friends and yeah, so we've been working on this

00:43:39   for the past month and a half or so. And today we sort of made it official. We have two new friends

00:43:47   of Mac Stories. Nielle Ann Dorfer. She has been an incredible member of our club Discord and just

00:44:00   out of the blue, I believe a month and a half or so ago, I sent her a DM being like, "Hey,

00:44:05   this is totally out of the blue. Have you ever thought about writing?"

00:44:08   It's like sometimes I get a good feel for people who are into the same sort of things that I am

00:44:15   into. And so Nielle Ann will be writing Mac Stories. She published her first article

00:44:23   on the site today. She's got more coming. And Jonathan Reed. You may have noticed Jonathan has

00:44:30   been helping us out over the past month in the Discord as well as having a regular column in

00:44:35   Mac Stories Weekly. And Jonathan is going to be our sort of official Discord community manager

00:44:40   because we realized we needed some help in terms of, you know, keeping up with the Discord,

00:44:45   keeping up with content from members and sort of highlighting interesting things happening on

00:44:50   Discord. And so, yeah, we sort of announced this small expansion of the team today. It's been in

00:44:57   the works for quite a while and I have my eye on a few other folks. Watch out, everyone. He's coming

00:45:05   again. I am on a hiring spree. But yeah, no. Yeah, it's good to finally have the time and, you know,

00:45:15   mind space, I guess, to think about this, which is important to have more and different voices on Mac

00:45:21   Stories especially. I feel like the website really needed that. So yeah, it's gonna be fun to see

00:45:28   what they come up with. Today is the day of Google's Pixel 8 event. So we have some links

00:45:34   in the show notes to the Verge coverage, a video by MKBHD, a couple other things. I watched the

00:45:40   keynote this morning. It was pretty short. It was live in front of what looked like to be a very

00:45:45   small audience. So Google's been ahead of Apple in this. I don't think Apple's ever going to go back,

00:45:52   probably, to on-stage things. But they announced a new Pixel Watch 2 and then the Pixel 8 and Pixel

00:46:00   8 Pro. And there were a couple things that I think were interesting. When I think about the

00:46:06   Google Pixel, I think about AI, software, magic, and the cameras. And those two things are very

00:46:15   linked in the Pixel, even more so than ever. So at the heart of these new phones is the Tensor G3

00:46:22   chip. This is the third generation of this Tensor chip that Google's been developing.

00:46:25   And there was a big emphasis in the event of doing machine learning and AI neural network tasks

00:46:36   on device. Now there's still some stuff they're sending you out to the cloud for,

00:46:41   but Google has not been immune to Apple's push for privacy in these things. And I think them saying,

00:46:47   hey, this, this, and this, including the big one, I think, for all speech to text, being on device

00:46:52   is a good move. And I think that in particular, people are going to feel much more comfortable

00:47:01   with that being on device. I mean, even if you don't care about that, it's just better

00:47:04   because it's faster. And it's faster, absolutely. And it works offline, you know, all those things.

00:47:10   The 8 Pro has a temperature sensor. It's waiting on FDA approval to use it on people,

00:47:18   even though that's going to be the first thing that everybody does is try to try it on themselves

00:47:22   and other people. But you can use the new thermometer app and tell the app what,

00:47:31   basically what you're scanning. And it will tell you the temperature of it. And I think that has

00:47:38   to do with... Can you tell you're scanning an iPhone 15 Pro? Well, not after 1703. It's all fixed.

00:47:44   But why? Because three years ago during COVID someone was like, oh, it'd be great if our phone

00:47:50   had a thermometer. And it took three years to do it. I'm not really sure. I mean, so I was recording

00:47:54   at the time of the keynote, so I did not watch the keynote. I saw some of the end of it. I actually

00:47:59   didn't see the pixel part of it. I mean, they want to talk about it as a health thing, but without

00:48:05   FDA approval, they're a little tied to, you can measure the temperature of things. Isn't that cool?

00:48:12   I mean, don't you love the idea? Don't you love the idea if your significant other says, hey,

00:48:17   babe, I think I have a fever. It's like, hold on, let me put my phone on your phone.

00:48:21   Babe, wake up. New fever drops.

00:48:22   No, you see, this is what I'm saying though. Like, I have... Yeah, I mean, what? Like,

00:48:29   you just stick it in the... Like, what do you... I don't know. This is a weird feature to me, like,

00:48:35   put a temperature sensor on a phone. Gonna treat your partner like there's some

00:48:41   NFC card or something. Like, hey, let me just put my phone on your head.

00:48:47   It's odd. This feels like a strange feature to me. I don't know.

00:48:51   Babe, let me scan you. Yeah.

00:48:53   Well, we'll see how you feel when Apple does it in two years.

00:48:57   Well, but even... Like I said, I want it on my watch. I don't... Like, so it's already on my...

00:49:02   Well, it is on the watch. It's just not... It's not this.

00:49:04   Yeah, but I can't take my temperature on it though. That's what...

00:49:06   Well, you know when Apple's gonna do it, they're gonna give it some silly name like dynamic

00:49:12   hotness or magic temperature, whatever. It's like... And now we're all gonna love it. We're

00:49:18   gonna be like, oh, this is incredible, the integration of hardware and software on iOS.

00:49:22   I genuinely don't think that... I can't imagine Apple putting a temperature,

00:49:26   like a thermometer on the iPhone.

00:49:28   I mean, all these companies, they copy each other eventually.

00:49:33   If it becomes a thing that people expect, like if somehow this silly thing takes you off...

00:49:39   I'm gonna make a bet here and someone can check this back in a year.

00:49:42   The Pixel 9 will not have a thermometer on it.

00:49:45   Interesting.

00:49:46   This is my bet. Someone write this down.

00:49:49   I'm putting it in my task manager.

00:49:52   I feel like every now and again, Google add a thing and then it goes away.

00:49:56   Do you remember when it could sense your movement?

00:49:58   Or a Google Reader. No Google Pixel 9 comes with a...

00:50:04   Is this a risky pick?

00:50:05   Look, if we're now instituting the idea that we can just do it at any point, then sure.

00:50:11   All right, October 4th, 2024.

00:50:15   And I'd like to be proven wrong that it is useful, but at the moment I don't understand it.

00:50:21   Do you think you can tell the Google Assistant, "Hey, I'm cooking a steak"

00:50:24   and you can place your phone while you're cooking a steak and it detects the optimal temperature?

00:50:29   You tell us, Stephen, do you have to actually physically touch

00:50:33   this phone against the thing to get the temperature?

00:50:35   No, you like put it right up next to it.

00:50:37   Okay.

00:50:38   Right next to it.

00:50:39   Right next to the steak.

00:50:40   Okay, so it's... yeah, it's... okay, okay.

00:50:42   All right, somebody should try it.

00:50:44   So you're gonna get steak juice on the phone?

00:50:46   That's fine.

00:50:47   After they just give it a little lick.

00:50:51   Just a little bite.

00:50:51   The 8 Pro has a three camera array in that camera bar across the back,

00:50:59   a 50 megapixel main sensor, a 48 megapixel telephoto lens with 5x zoom,

00:51:05   and a 48 megapixel ultra wide camera.

00:51:08   They seem big.

00:51:08   At this point, it's too early to know how these images look in the real world,

00:51:13   but it jumped out at me that they've gone to high megapixel sensors on all their cameras,

00:51:18   where Apple is still just doing that on the main camera and the others are wimpier.

00:51:25   I'm keen to see why they did that, because it doesn't really feel like it was something

00:51:28   Google has put too much focus in over time.

00:51:30   And now it seems like they're going big across the board.

00:51:33   That is intriguing to me.

00:51:34   What do you know, Google?

00:51:37   You know, like, what do they know over there?

00:51:39   The other kind of hardware thing is the design is basically what we've seen from the Pixel 7,

00:51:47   right?

00:51:48   So I think it's a pretty polarizing design.

00:51:50   You either like it or you don't, but they've stuck with that this year.

00:51:53   The screens are brighter.

00:51:54   I think they go to like 2400 nits, which is brighter than the 15 Pro and Pro Max.

00:52:00   But the software is really the story with the Pixel, right?

00:52:04   I mean, the hardware is interesting, but software is kind of why Google does it.

00:52:08   They're promising seven years of software security and feature drop updates.

00:52:13   Fantastic.

00:52:14   I think previously this Pixel was nice.

00:52:16   And they're proud of this.

00:52:18   They're like, no other manufacturer does this, they said, which is true so far.

00:52:23   And I think they're promising it in advance.

00:52:25   You may get that retroactively on an iPhone or you may not.

00:52:28   It kind of depends on where things are.

00:52:30   So I like that you purchase it with that in mind.

00:52:34   I think that's pretty cool.

00:52:35   I think it's pretty clear at this point that we are on the precipice of some new age of

00:52:42   technology, right?

00:52:43   Like whether you like it or not, it's happening, right?

00:52:48   And I feel like at this point, stuff is moving so fast that like you don't really know what

00:52:56   the capabilities of our smartphones are going to be in seven years time.

00:53:01   So I feel like it is a very bold statement to make like today.

00:53:06   Like, oh, yeah, we're going to keep this phone going for a long time.

00:53:10   And it's just, yeah, interesting.

00:53:11   Like, I don't know the particulars of it.

00:53:13   Maybe then it wouldn't necessarily get every feature that every Pixel will get for the

00:53:18   next seven years.

00:53:19   I mean, they're not saying that at all.

00:53:20   But yeah, it's an interesting and it is a bold move, but I think is a good one, right?

00:53:27   If Google are trying to entice more people to get a Pixel, like if you're an Android

00:53:33   user and you hear that, it's like, oh, well, no one else is offering me anything near this.

00:53:38   So maybe it would give you the stability that you might want to buy it.

00:53:43   But I also think at the same time, the typical Pixel customer maybe isn't that person.

00:53:48   I don't know.

00:53:48   I think Pixel owners are very much like iPhone Pro owners.

00:53:52   Like they are going to upgrade more frequently than most people.

00:53:55   But it is interesting.

00:53:56   It is notable because Google has tried this so many times through various things through

00:54:02   the Android world.

00:54:05   But with the Pixel, obviously they control much more of it.

00:54:08   And so I am very curious how this is going to play out over the next.

00:54:12   I think it is a good idea in the sense of if you want to sell more Pixels, right?

00:54:18   That this is giving the Pixel a different competitive advantage over other Android phones

00:54:23   by giving customers that peace of mind.

00:54:26   There's a bunch of photo video stuff.

00:54:30   So Magic Editor is one of the brands, but there's also Magic Eraser, which you've seen

00:54:35   before.

00:54:36   Basically lots of AI assisted touch up tools.

00:54:39   You can take something out of a photo.

00:54:40   You can move a subject around in a photo.

00:54:42   There's one feature coming later that you can optionally upload your video to Google.

00:54:48   And they do a bunch of stuff in the cloud.

00:54:50   Then your video returns to your phone, like nicely processed and changed.

00:54:55   It does kind of lead back to the conversation of like, what is a photograph?

00:54:59   Like these phones and not just the Pixel, but the iPhone to a lesser extent.

00:55:05   They're doing a lot of computational stuff.

00:55:08   And what you get in your file at the end of the day is not really what the camera saw.

00:55:14   And I think that's great if the outcome is good, but it does lead to some like philosophical

00:55:21   hand-wringing in corners of the internet.

00:55:23   And that's always interesting.

00:55:24   I feel like I'm like bah humbugging a lot of this, which is not necessarily what I'm

00:55:33   intended to do.

00:55:33   And there is something in the moment in a minute that I am actually pretty excited about.

00:55:37   And I think it's kind of cool.

00:55:38   Some of these features, I don't like them and I think they're really weird.

00:55:42   So like they're effectively putting the tools into Google Photos to just completely fake

00:55:51   parts of images.

00:55:52   Yes.

00:55:53   And like, I just don't, why are they doing that?

00:55:56   It's weird to me.

00:56:00   Like, I guess, okay, I know why they're doing it, right?

00:56:03   Like obviously I understand why they're doing it.

00:56:06   Someone's going to do it, so why not do it?

00:56:08   But like they show this like commercial that they made.

00:56:11   And like one part is like a kid jumps on a trampoline to dunk a basketball, right?

00:56:17   And then deletes the trampoline.

00:56:19   So it looks like he's just like jumped like eight feet in the air.

00:56:22   And it's like, well, that's right.

00:56:26   Do you know what I mean?

00:56:27   It's like, that's a fun image, but also, I don't know.

00:56:30   Is it different to photoshopping?

00:56:32   I don't know.

00:56:33   Right.

00:56:33   Like, but you've taken it a bit too far.

00:56:35   Maybe like we get it that like, maybe, but yeah, it's a fine balance with all these things.

00:56:40   I think, you know, using machine learning and AI in this case to like sort of augment

00:56:47   the photo capturing experience.

00:56:49   But I feel like I agree with you, you can only take it so far when you cross that threshold

00:56:55   of like, oh, this is totally fake.

00:56:56   Like, are you capturing like the purpose of a photo is to capture a moment, right?

00:57:02   Is to capture reality so that like you can relive a moment or take a look again at a

00:57:10   beautiful scene or whatever.

00:57:11   But when you're doing it, like what's the difference between doing this and say, download

00:57:17   one of those special effects apps from the app store, or like you take a video of your

00:57:22   kid and you make your kid look like it is Batman, you know, just, you know, like, I feel like

00:57:29   I agree with you.

00:57:29   You can only take it so far and maybe this is too far as like an AI assisted feature.

00:57:36   Because like Photoshop has always existed, but it's hard to fake things, right?

00:57:41   Like it takes a lot of effort.

00:57:43   This takes zero effort to fake things.

00:57:46   And it's built into your phone, not an expensive computer application.

00:57:50   Which is impressive.

00:57:52   Very impressive.

00:57:52   It is remarkable from a technical perspective, but I feel like I come down on the side of

00:57:57   I want my phone to help me take better pictures, not to take unrealistic pictures.

00:58:04   Dream things, like just make things up.

00:58:07   Let's just make stuff up.

00:58:08   Like otherwise, if I need to dream things, I need to live a different life, maybe I guess,

00:58:14   like, you know, like, oh, but what if there were actually like two mountains in front

00:58:20   of you?

00:58:20   No, there was one.

00:58:22   If I wanted to have another mountain in front of me, I would have gone to a different place.

00:58:24   You know?

00:58:26   It's a strange, it's just, this is just the questions that we're going to be asking ourselves

00:58:31   for years to come.

00:58:33   And it's, you know, things are getting less complicated and more complicated every single

00:58:38   day.

00:58:39   And what we're willing to accept now is very different to what we were willing to accept

00:58:44   two years ago.

00:58:45   And that's just going to keep changing and we're just going to get used to it.

00:58:49   And that's that.

00:58:50   But like, sometimes when I see these things, I can't help but ask myself the question of

00:58:57   like, was this one too far?

00:58:59   And I don't know yet, you know?

00:59:00   Like similarly, they have a feature which is like, it's interesting, but it's also, it's

00:59:07   less weird, but it's weird in a different way.

00:59:08   So you can take a picture of people and then if someone's blinking or they're making a

00:59:12   weird face, you can just replace their head in the image with like a better head of theirs,

00:59:19   which I see the utility of that more, but it is also just really weird as a feature.

00:59:25   But can I, let me just, I'm just going to skip ahead because I feel like I'm being a

00:59:29   real downer.

00:59:30   So they showed off Assistant with Bard.

00:59:33   So like putting the AI into Google Assistant looks incredible.

00:59:39   It looks so good.

00:59:40   This was just like, hey, we're working on this.

00:59:43   It's coming soon, but here's some examples of what it can do.

00:59:46   And it's just like, if I, you know, uh, if I missed any emails in the last two days,

00:59:50   gives you a summary of the emails.

00:59:52   It's like, oh, that part looks cool.

00:59:53   Where, where is the party?

00:59:56   And it shows just like, how am I going to get there?

00:59:57   And it's just like, you're just having a conversation with a Google Assistant and just

01:00:01   pulling all this information in.

01:00:02   Like one thing it's like, here's a picture of my dog.

01:00:04   I want to post it on social media, but what shall I say?

01:00:07   It wrote a cool caption for the person to post it.

01:00:09   It's like, this stuff is like, yes, this is cool.

01:00:12   Like, I think this is good.

01:00:14   I like the look of this.

01:00:15   My only question is like, cause the, you know, with the, with the email example, they're

01:00:19   like integrates with Gmail.

01:00:21   It's like, will it only work with Gmail?

01:00:23   Like, do I have to use all Google services to do this when like realistically this thing

01:00:29   should be able to read anything on my phone, but that's going to be the way this lock-in

01:00:34   stuff is, is we're going to see how that plays out.

01:00:36   But that the assistant with BARD stuff was like, okay, this is the kind of thing that

01:00:40   I want to see where this is where I, you know, we spoke, we spoke about this on the show

01:00:46   a lot, right?

01:00:46   And I think we did when it, with Microsoft office and, um, copilot and stuff, the things

01:00:52   that are easiest for me to understand and accept and that kind of stuff is when it's

01:00:57   taking my information that I already have and surfacing it to me in a easier, more understandable

01:01:05   way.

01:01:05   Like it's not doing something that someone else would be doing.

01:01:09   It's not creating hopefully something that doesn't exist.

01:01:13   You know, like it's just like, this is, these are my emails that already in my inbox, just

01:01:18   summarize them for me, you know?

01:01:20   So that kind of stuff I think is very cool.

01:01:23   And I'm really intrigued to see what a, what do we call like these things like smart assistance?

01:01:32   I forgot the term for them.

01:01:33   Generative AI?

01:01:35   No, no.

01:01:35   Like what was like virtual, uh, the Amazon echo and Siri.

01:01:40   What did we call them?

01:01:41   Yeah.

01:01:41   Yeah.

01:01:44   Yeah.

01:01:45   Okay.

01:01:45   One of these powered by a good AI model on a device could be cool.

01:01:51   I'm interested in that.

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01:03:48   macOS Sonoma is out.

01:03:50   There's a great review by John on Mac stories.

01:03:54   We did a most recent episode of MPU about Sonoma as well.

01:03:57   I want to get y'all's take on some of the features, starting with desktop widgets.

01:04:03   How is that treating you, Mike?

01:04:05   It's the best feature of Sonoma.

01:04:07   Yeah.

01:04:08   Whoever says they're boring, I don't know what to say.

01:04:12   They're boring.

01:04:13   No, because Jason doesn't like them.

01:04:15   Well, if Jason says they're boring, Jason's boring.

01:04:18   So here's the thing.

01:04:20   I was just listening to Upgrade as I was driving back home this afternoon, and I got to that

01:04:25   chapter where you're talking about Sonoma and desktop widgets.

01:04:28   And Jason raised this interesting point where he said, and he wrote as much in his review,

01:04:32   that the utility of interactive widgets on the desktop, on Mac OS, is to an extent diminished

01:04:39   by the fact that on a Mac, you can just open a window and get something done, and you can

01:04:44   use any launcher you want and just pull up a window real quick.

01:04:48   And instead of checking a reminder on your desktop, you can just open reminders or leave

01:04:52   reminders open.

01:04:53   But here's the thing.

01:04:54   I don't like having too many windows open on my Mac.

01:04:59   And I feel like for someone like me, who's not, maybe I'm not, maybe I should be ashamed

01:05:06   of being this kind of Mac user.

01:05:08   But the thing is, I don't want to leave too many windows open.

01:05:12   And so having that little thing peeking from the corner of my desktop where I can just

01:05:16   click it, it's perfect.

01:05:17   I've been doing it.

01:05:18   I've got shortcut widgets on my desktop, and I'm just clicking them.

01:05:21   Because I also don't cover my Mac with windows, I've positioned the ones that I want to use

01:05:28   most in a place where the desktop is usually visible, so I can just click them.

01:05:32   I don't need to do anything else.

01:05:34   Plus, I use stage manager.

01:05:36   So I found myself looking at desktop accidentally quite a lot during the day.

01:05:39   And so, you know, I can quite frequently click on things.

01:05:42   And I also realized how great is it to have batteries all there?

01:05:47   You know, like, it's like, oh, here's the battery of my keyboard and here's the battery

01:05:51   of my trackpad.

01:05:52   It's just all very visible to me.

01:05:53   I like that.

01:05:54   It's good.

01:05:55   I'm with Jason.

01:05:56   I think the idea is good, but I think they're in the wrong place.

01:06:00   I think having them on the desktop doesn't make a lot of sense, even with the new feature,

01:06:04   which I turned off immediately.

01:06:05   Where you click your desktop and it does expose to throw all your windows away.

01:06:09   Well, it does make sense if you enable it, but if you don't like it, it doesn't make

01:06:13   sense, right?

01:06:14   Like, as somebody who does have that feature on because I use stage manager, it is a very

01:06:20   good and fast way to get to widgets.

01:06:22   Right.

01:06:22   But they force that on people who don't use stage manager.

01:06:25   And I think the percentage of Mac users using stage manager is probably tiny.

01:06:31   And I will just say, I think maybe the people inside of Apple currently using stage manager

01:06:37   might not be that many because they've done something Sonoma that I cannot understand.

01:06:43   Would you like to hear about it?

01:06:44   Please.

01:06:45   So previously you could shift click on a stage, right?

01:06:48   One of the things on the left hand side, right?

01:06:50   The little window preview things.

01:06:52   And it would bring your most recently opened window into the stage that you're currently

01:06:58   in.

01:06:58   So it's like a way to quickly bring applications from an existing stage into your current one.

01:07:04   But now this seems to be working completely and consistently.

01:07:09   I've had it work the way that I want.

01:07:11   I have had it give me a seemingly random set of apps and windows from that.

01:07:16   I have had it where I've opened a window.

01:07:18   So I've opened a new window, gone to a previous, gone to another stage.

01:07:22   And then what I would usually do is shift and click and it will bring that most recent

01:07:25   window into the stage that I'm now currently in.

01:07:28   I have had it where it's brought every window except that one into the stage.

01:07:33   So like the exact inverse, but also not reliably.

01:07:37   So I don't know what it's supposed to be doing right now, but it's not working the way it

01:07:43   was supposed to.

01:07:44   And there are no settings and it doesn't really seem like anything has changed specifically.

01:07:48   What I have found out today, I think it does the thing that I'm not sure if it did before.

01:07:52   I can click on the window and drag it in and it will bring the most recently opened window

01:07:57   from that stage preview into my current one, which is what shift click used to do.

01:08:01   But now shift click does something completely different that I can't get my head around.

01:08:05   Could be a bug.

01:08:05   I have no idea, but I am starting to wonder if people inside of Apple really rate stage

01:08:11   manager on the Mac because it doesn't, it hasn't got any of the new features that the

01:08:15   iPad version has got and is seemingly just started to collect bugs already within a year.

01:08:21   So as a stage manager user, I'm a little bit upset about this.

01:08:25   Have you heard this before?

01:08:27   I'm upset about the state of stage manager on the Mac after 12 months.

01:08:31   You sound like me from last year, Mike, and I think it's wild.

01:08:35   I think it's wild that we're now in this position where stage manager for iPad is the good one

01:08:41   and the Mac one is not.

01:08:43   I think it's like reminders.

01:08:45   They'll fix it eventually.

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