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00:00:00   the incomparable number 257 August 2015 [TS]

00:00:09   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   incomparable podcast I'm your hostess [TS]

00:00:13   and still we are going to convene a [TS]

00:00:15   meeting of our comic book club and as [TS]

00:00:20   always I will say what we try to do the [TS]

00:00:22   comic book clubs have this be something [TS]

00:00:23   that you can go out and read and get us [TS]

00:00:24   story [TS]

00:00:25   you don't have to read a thousand issues [TS]

00:00:27   of history to understand what's going on [TS]

00:00:29   and so our comic book club selection for [TS]

00:00:31   this episode is Runaways which is [TS]

00:00:35   available in many different formats [TS]

00:00:37   including an omnibus version of the [TS]

00:00:39   first 18 issues called the complete [TS]

00:00:41   collection vol.1 which amuses me it's [TS]

00:00:44   not complete unto itself it's just [TS]

00:00:46   following one but it is the first 18 [TS]

00:00:48   issues of the first volume from 2003 of [TS]

00:00:52   Runaways by bryan cave on who we've [TS]

00:00:54   talked about on p previous episodes of [TS]

00:00:56   the uncomfortable and a few a few [TS]

00:00:59   different illustrators i think but [TS]

00:01:01   primarily Adrian telefona and its a [TS]

00:01:05   spoiler it's really great so you should [TS]

00:01:07   read it and then you should listen to [TS]

00:01:08   this episode what you're doing right now [TS]

00:01:10   let me introduce the panelists on this [TS]

00:01:12   episode of the comic book club of course [TS]

00:01:14   always here for comfort Club it's lisa [TS]

00:01:16   Schmeisser hi Lisa [TS]

00:01:18   hi it's a pleasure to be here yeah we [TS]

00:01:20   get to talk about Runaways it's exciting [TS]

00:01:22   mhm also joining us chairman sudderth is [TS]

00:01:25   here [TS]

00:01:25   hello laughing Keys so yeah so you and [TS]

00:01:29   did you and your husband have to like [TS]

00:01:31   flip a coin because I I know you both [TS]

00:01:33   wanted to talk about this but but we [TS]

00:01:35   sent should get cheap is a gentleman he [TS]

00:01:38   graciously thought that for once I [TS]

00:01:40   should get to have the phone and talking [TS]

00:01:41   on a real and comfortable and not just [TS]

00:01:43   all the game shows all right well [TS]

00:01:45   welcome it's good to have you here thank [TS]

00:01:47   you friendship can listen later Tony [TS]

00:01:49   similar is also out there hi Tony [TS]

00:01:51   hello dirts and Dan more'n I was I not [TS]

00:01:56   supposed to read a thousand issues of [TS]

00:01:57   comic books because I think I did [TS]

00:01:58   something wrong [TS]

00:01:59   yeah that's okay you can do that it's [TS]

00:02:01   just not required its option I reading [TS]

00:02:03   them right now no yeah well that happens [TS]

00:02:05   you'll get you go so I'm taking issue [TS]

00:02:07   with Shannon's real incomparable vs game [TS]

00:02:10   shows honey's please it's all [TS]

00:02:13   my family isn't this the flagship though [TS]

00:02:15   yeah but it is what the other shows a [TS]

00:02:16   real there are there real was very real [TS]

00:02:19   and there was some on the internet it's [TS]

00:02:22   okay Dan we like your we like your your [TS]

00:02:24   game okay it's just a little sensitive [TS]

00:02:26   right now it doesn't count but it's fine [TS]

00:02:28   it by the way people should listen to [TS]

00:02:32   dance game show which is called [TS]

00:02:34   inconceivable and is in the incomparable [TS]

00:02:36   game show podcast so I'm gonna listen to [TS]

00:02:38   that there's a plug fun [TS]

00:02:39   are you happy now damn i thank you [TS]

00:02:41   alright it's ok it out sindelar or [TS]

00:02:46   should I say not Tony no you're not no [TS]

00:02:49   actual Tony I like when people refer to [TS]

00:02:51   me by my last name it feels like we're [TS]

00:02:52   like some kind of like nineteen twenties [TS]

00:02:53   prep school you know weakness [TS]

00:02:55   let's go on play lacrosse in making [TS]

00:02:57   anti-semitic jokes this is great for a [TS]

00:02:58   good chaps in the water [TS]

00:03:01   let's look about in trees and watch the [TS]

00:03:05   golden boy on the field but it's so [TS]

00:03:07   Runaways a one of the one of the things [TS]

00:03:09   I love about Runaways and I we've [TS]

00:03:11   mentioned it on previous podcast is that [TS]

00:03:14   this is set in the Marvel Universe [TS]

00:03:16   published by Marvel Comics and yet is it [TS]

00:03:19   a real original work and in fact i I've [TS]

00:03:25   cited several times as the kind of thing [TS]

00:03:27   we don't see from the major comic book [TS]

00:03:29   publishers very much anymore which is a [TS]

00:03:31   whole group of brand new characters [TS]

00:03:34   created by a very talented writer and [TS]

00:03:37   the and owned by one of the big comic [TS]

00:03:40   book publishers because the rule now is [TS]

00:03:42   basically don't do this [TS]

00:03:44   look for the bryan cave on should have [TS]

00:03:46   created them in their own universe and [TS]

00:03:47   walked away with all the rights to them [TS]

00:03:49   and sold it to make a movie or a TV show [TS]

00:03:51   but for whatever reason this is part of [TS]

00:03:54   the Marvel Universe and they use that to [TS]

00:03:55   their advantage from time to time but I [TS]

00:03:57   but it's not something that requires [TS]

00:04:00   your knowledge of Marvel Comics history [TS]

00:04:02   it really does read like an original [TS]

00:04:05   work that just happens to be set in the [TS]

00:04:07   Marvel Universe and that's actually one [TS]

00:04:09   of the things I love about it it's [TS]

00:04:10   because of the origin story for the [TS]

00:04:12   comic yeah the the tsunami waves and not [TS]

00:04:15   yeah where they were basically gave if [TS]

00:04:17   we can make comics that are the size [TS]

00:04:19   that girls can put their purse i kid you [TS]

00:04:21   not [TS]

00:04:22   and and make them thinking like manga [TS]

00:04:24   crowd then then we can grab manga and we [TS]

00:04:28   can use these titles to as a bridge into [TS]

00:04:30   the marble verse which is why there are [TS]

00:04:32   actually like sometimes you know like [TS]

00:04:33   the presence of mutants and the [TS]

00:04:35   cloak-and-dagger appears and cloak [TS]

00:04:37   entire yeah and you know captain america [TS]

00:04:39   pops up at the end of it but it was the [TS]

00:04:41   tsunami thing was was a short-lived [TS]

00:04:43   initiative to try to pull in female [TS]

00:04:45   comic readers because this is back this [TS]

00:04:48   is back in the very early audis when [TS]

00:04:50   comic book sales were tanking big time [TS]

00:04:53   and the idea of a comic book was mostly [TS]

00:04:55   a joke and publishers are freaking out [TS]

00:04:57   over declining sales and they very [TS]

00:04:59   correctly discern that one of the [TS]

00:05:01   reasons sales are going to us because [TS]

00:05:02   comets really appealing to females and [TS]

00:05:04   so they thought well we'll just give [TS]

00:05:05   will give them a comic they can fit in [TS]

00:05:07   their purse and tsunami didn't do well [TS]

00:05:10   it like shut it [TS]

00:05:12   the imprint shut down fairly quickly if [TS]

00:05:14   i remember correctly because most girls [TS]

00:05:16   like I don't give a crap it's my [TS]

00:05:18   personal give a crap if it's good [TS]

00:05:19   Rose is good and that's one of the [TS]

00:05:22   reasons it's it's tense bounced around [TS]

00:05:24   the marvel vs little bit but I feel like [TS]

00:05:26   it's been mistreated come by i feel like [TS]

00:05:28   the characters been mistreated compared [TS]

00:05:30   to when they were often their own little [TS]

00:05:31   bubble thing for the first like 18 to 36 [TS]

00:05:33   issues [TS]

00:05:34   well you know that this is this is a we [TS]

00:05:36   can talk about this because this is a [TS]

00:05:37   self-contained story and then they sort [TS]

00:05:39   of you know they're part of the [TS]

00:05:41   intellectual property of the Marvel [TS]

00:05:42   Universe and can be integrated elsewhere [TS]

00:05:44   but here they get the to get their own [TS]

00:05:45   through line and one of the things I [TS]

00:05:47   really like about issues 1 218 this [TS]

00:05:49   first volume is that it's telling it's [TS]

00:05:52   telling us a story and it's about the [TS]

00:05:54   characters were introduced to and it's a [TS]

00:05:56   great it's a great shot should I explain [TS]

00:05:58   the premise of Runaways now with that [TS]

00:06:00   that makes sense to do [TS]

00:06:02   yeah it's it's the most similar it's the [TS]

00:06:04   most simple of premises in a way I [TS]

00:06:06   imagined that a group of kids discover [TS]

00:06:09   that their parents are super villains I [TS]

00:06:11   mean that's the simplest way to describe [TS]

00:06:13   it and and they do run away from home [TS]

00:06:16   but it turns out that they also have [TS]

00:06:17   special abilities of their own and they [TS]

00:06:20   eventually decided to basically take the [TS]

00:06:23   fight to their parents because if their [TS]

00:06:24   parents are going to be evil [TS]

00:06:26   super-villains then they need to stop [TS]

00:06:27   them to save the world which they have [TS]

00:06:29   the parents are literally plotting to [TS]

00:06:31   history to end all human life on planet [TS]

00:06:35   Earth [TS]

00:06:35   and so they have to stop them and get to [TS]

00:06:38   know each other better because they've [TS]

00:06:39   just been sort of like forced together [TS]

00:06:41   because their parents are friends or it [TS]

00:06:43   turns out conspirators co-conspirators [TS]

00:06:45   and and then the fun begins [TS]

00:06:47   basically and and it's a lot of fun it's [TS]

00:06:50   so smart and so sharpen places too [TS]

00:06:53   oh yeah I am shocked that this hasn't [TS]

00:06:55   been made into a into a movie or a TV [TS]

00:06:57   series i'm like it was supposed to be [TS]

00:06:59   and then it got it you know it turns out [TS]

00:07:02   there making all the other Marvel stuff [TS]

00:07:03   that got pumped and I have got killed [TS]

00:07:05   eventually but there was there was a yes [TS]

00:07:07   plan there was a screenplay and then [TS]

00:07:09   Avengers made a billion dollars and they [TS]

00:07:11   decided that we're gonna ride all of the [TS]

00:07:12   regular characters and yeah [TS]

00:07:16   and although guardians of the galaxy got [TS]

00:07:18   made this one got put into turn around [TS]

00:07:20   and and it's a mystery now about what [TS]

00:07:24   might happen to it and whether but it's [TS]

00:07:26   really it's funny this story is such [TS]

00:07:27   it's such a great story i could not when [TS]

00:07:29   reading it back this weekend in advance [TS]

00:07:32   of this i could not stop thinking about [TS]

00:07:33   what a great film or TV series property [TS]

00:07:37   this is and it's just sitting there it [TS]

00:07:40   would make an excellent CW style series [TS]

00:07:42   sense [TS]

00:07:43   boy what says they don't know I am I [TS]

00:07:44   right laughing because that's it that is [TS]

00:07:46   a good fit you're totally right and I i [TS]

00:07:49   definitely would push for a TV series [TS]

00:07:51   over the movie when I was thinking about [TS]

00:07:54   is when I reread was help freakin smart [TS]

00:07:58   phone and his editors were because this [TS]

00:08:00   this entire series is perfectly pitched [TS]

00:08:03   to the teenage sensibility where you [TS]

00:08:05   know every teenager has them over there [TS]

00:08:07   like off my parents are of the devil or [TS]

00:08:08   what have you and in this case it's the [TS]

00:08:11   actualization of that but by the end of [TS]

00:08:13   it you see how much these parents [TS]

00:08:16   despite being people who have bargains [TS]

00:08:18   to give the earth to ancient alien [TS]

00:08:20   entities you see how much they love [TS]

00:08:22   their kids because that deal they made [TS]

00:08:24   within the dealing with the alien / [TS]

00:08:26   jibran given what you want to come [TS]

00:08:28   earlier was we sweet we prep the world [TS]

00:08:31   for you we get 25 years and in return [TS]

00:08:34   half of us getting mortality and they [TS]

00:08:37   originally like that the group of 12 [TS]

00:08:39   adults they're like fun you know we'll [TS]

00:08:40   both will deal with who gets mortality [TS]

00:08:42   later we have 25 years to scheme against [TS]

00:08:44   each other what happens and then 11 of [TS]

00:08:46   the couple's false pregnant and all six [TS]

00:08:48   couple [TS]

00:08:49   spontaneous basically spontaneous say [TS]

00:08:51   you know what we don't care if we get [TS]

00:08:53   killed at the end of us as long as our [TS]

00:08:54   children get a shot at immortality and [TS]

00:08:56   then at the end of it the parents will [TS]

00:08:58   go down fighting against the people they [TS]

00:08:59   made bargains with but it and I thought [TS]

00:09:01   well it's it's a really smart [TS]

00:09:03   coming-of-age necessary psychic [TS]

00:09:05   separation of parents seeing your [TS]

00:09:07   parents as people seeing the [TS]

00:09:08   unconditional love your parents still [TS]

00:09:10   have for you no matter what i thought [TS]

00:09:11   it's a really psychologically reassuring [TS]

00:09:13   book two kids or rather to teenagers [TS]

00:09:15   it's really smart how he wrote it like [TS]

00:09:17   that where there's a whole lot of who am [TS]

00:09:20   i what am i doing but the same time I [TS]

00:09:21   mean sure their parents are super [TS]

00:09:23   villains but they're they're super [TS]

00:09:24   villains who really love their kids and [TS]

00:09:26   that's reassuring on some level you know [TS]

00:09:28   so maybe for chases parents getting his [TS]

00:09:30   mom loves somebody has dashes get up [TS]

00:09:32   close that is awful but yeah you had to [TS]

00:09:35   have one like that first time we see see [TS]

00:09:37   those two he's getting punched by his [TS]

00:09:39   father his dad [TS]

00:09:40   yeah his dad is basically a he's ease [TS]

00:09:43   his dad would be at home like the hank [TS]

00:09:44   pym universe but i really like i really [TS]

00:09:47   love how how the Creed turn into her [TS]

00:09:50   turned out to be like soap opera stars [TS]

00:09:52   and there's just so many slidable [TS]

00:09:54   there's so many sliding funny touches [TS]

00:09:55   the dialogue is is his age is age [TS]

00:09:58   realistic and a lot of ways especially [TS]

00:09:59   the kids train code names and they're [TS]

00:10:01   just so hilariously dorky and wrong and [TS]

00:10:03   that is something I love about this book [TS]

00:10:05   the way it plays with the superhero [TS]

00:10:08   tropes through these kids eyes first [TS]

00:10:11   all of them except Alex adopt these [TS]

00:10:13   rather silly code names and by the end [TS]

00:10:16   of the like first volume or the middle [TS]

00:10:18   of the second half of the 18 issues [TS]

00:10:21   everybody pretty much has dropped them [TS]

00:10:23   except except group and she hangs onto [TS]

00:10:25   hers for a while before she finally be [TS]

00:10:27   no throw your hands up in the air as [TS]

00:10:28   well and of course little molly is the [TS]

00:10:31   only one who you know she actually goes [TS]

00:10:33   and makes a costume from the scrap she [TS]

00:10:35   finds around their hideout we know she's [TS]

00:10:37   11 you know that will be what she would [TS]

00:10:39   think of the others don't bother it's [TS]

00:10:42   all about trying to survive [TS]

00:10:44   since you have that lens of the marvel [TS]

00:10:45   universe because this is setting the [TS]

00:10:47   universe we're superheroes are real [TS]

00:10:49   coming up with code names is is comical [TS]

00:10:53   to also the outsider but not necessarily [TS]

00:10:54   comical to them because they have all [TS]

00:10:56   these these exemplars 22 [TS]

00:10:59   patterned after like the first the [TS]

00:11:00   opening scene we see is you know Alex [TS]

00:11:02   playing some like mo basically that's [TS]

00:11:04   all superheroes right right and so [TS]

00:11:07   having that it's a fact of life there [TS]

00:11:09   right like it's a fact of life that [TS]

00:11:11   there are superheroes and that they you [TS]

00:11:13   know they they have monikers they adopt [TS]

00:11:16   and so you know that makes it perfectly [TS]

00:11:17   natural for them to pattern themselves [TS]

00:11:19   after that even if it does come across [TS]

00:11:21   sounding i really love my personal [TS]

00:11:22   favorite is that I've never forgotten [TS]

00:11:25   the character's name whose sister grim [TS]

00:11:27   yes me go you got me you got me go new [TS]

00:11:30   coaches that because it's RAIM handle I [TS]

00:11:33   was like that's em up [TS]

00:11:34   ok that you have you nailed the teenage [TS]

00:11:36   thing there yeah welcome to 2003 who bet [TS]

00:11:40   against short attention spans [TS]

00:11:41   like I said you know they pretty much be [TS]

00:11:43   no stop using them fairly quickly as [TS]

00:11:45   well which i think is very in keeping [TS]

00:11:47   with teenagers superhero world being [TS]

00:11:50   their reality notwithstanding because [TS]

00:11:52   you're always trying on the whole point [TS]

00:11:54   that age you're trying on identities and [TS]

00:11:56   trying to figure out who you want to be [TS]

00:11:57   versus you're likely going to end up [TS]

00:11:58   being and and there's that whole psychic [TS]

00:12:01   separation from your parents to and then [TS]

00:12:03   when you find that your parents have [TS]

00:12:04   been operating as the pride and it helps [TS]

00:12:07   their home see supervillain names i just [TS]

00:12:11   really like the fact that they all had [TS]

00:12:12   such different origins to because you've [TS]

00:12:14   got to hear space aliens appear time [TS]

00:12:15   travelers who ended up stranded here [TS]

00:12:17   because of a broken machine a pair of [TS]

00:12:19   dark Wizards a pair of which check all [TS]

00:12:22   the boxes [TS]

00:12:23   yeah yeah a pair of mutants just a penny [TS]

00:12:27   themes and I'm missing one pair of [TS]

00:12:29   genius scientist and it's basically [TS]

00:12:31   calling in every single origin story [TS]

00:12:33   that Marvel has ever had for anyone [TS]

00:12:34   anywhere so you have also you have all [TS]

00:12:37   the classic comic troops who you know [TS]

00:12:39   are are in one reluctant social group [TS]

00:12:42   you and I feel like in in some ways this [TS]

00:12:45   series also asked what happens when [TS]

00:12:47   these people become parents because you [TS]

00:12:49   don't see a lot of plausible depictions [TS]

00:12:51   of parenthood on on like the the capes [TS]

00:12:53   side of the equation but you see here [TS]

00:12:55   with the villains and that kind of [TS]

00:12:57   fascinates me how they did that way i [TS]

00:12:59   just really like how they showed the [TS]

00:13:01   development of both the parents over [TS]

00:13:02   time and the kids over time to [TS]

00:13:04   especially the kids [TS]

00:13:05   yes because the openings are so so very [TS]

00:13:07   cliche it it's like you said they're [TS]

00:13:10   taking all the boxes because you've got [TS]

00:13:12   the the folks who started out as petty [TS]

00:13:14   thieves are the ones who are you know [TS]

00:13:16   telling Alex you know you cancel that [TS]

00:13:18   subscription young man because we save [TS]

00:13:19   every dollar that that's how we can [TS]

00:13:21   afford to live here and three panels [TS]

00:13:23   later his game room has all of these [TS]

00:13:25   arcade games classic arcane arcade game [TS]

00:13:28   surrounding so yeah he's spending money [TS]

00:13:29   and Carolina the the actors be whatever [TS]

00:13:35   it'll be different events yet vagin [TS]

00:13:37   tempeh and yeah you know that they're [TS]

00:13:39   just sprinkle some yeast flakes on it [TS]

00:13:41   will take so nicely if they're like [TS]

00:13:44   grinning at each other constantly that's [TS]

00:13:46   adorable and Niko's mamasota her black [TS]

00:13:50   nail polish because it might cause [TS]

00:13:51   cancer and death metal and yeah it's [TS]

00:13:53   terrific that they start with all of [TS]

00:13:55   these different prototypes and as we go [TS]

00:13:58   through the series like you said [TS]

00:14:00   everybody develops everybody gets a [TS]

00:14:02   personality which is something else i [TS]

00:14:03   love about how even though you've got [TS]

00:14:05   all these six kids and you know they're [TS]

00:14:08   all teenagers are preteens they all [TS]

00:14:11   still develop their own personalities [TS]

00:14:13   their own way of thinking you know chase [TS]

00:14:16   maybe the dumb jock but he's the dumb [TS]

00:14:18   jock who actually has a clever idea once [TS]

00:14:20   in a while and things like that are [TS]

00:14:22   really fascinating the one I found [TS]

00:14:24   really heartbreaking and is Molly [TS]

00:14:26   because she's so young she's not even [TS]

00:14:28   really impunity yet and she has to come [TS]

00:14:30   to grips with the fact that her parents [TS]

00:14:31   are our villains who kill people and it [TS]

00:14:35   doesn't pop up in the series of 18 but [TS]

00:14:37   there's a really heartbreaking issue [TS]

00:14:39   later on in the series run where she [TS]

00:14:40   falls asleep after one of the fights [TS]

00:14:42   because Molly has super strength but it [TS]

00:14:44   drains her and she passes out that's [TS]

00:14:46   that's the flip side so she's not [TS]

00:14:48   invincible and they I guess she died i [TS]

00:14:50   guess the other kids put on a park bench [TS]

00:14:51   asleep before they take care of [TS]

00:14:53   something and she has this dream that [TS]

00:14:54   her parents are still alive and taking [TS]

00:14:56   care of her and she tells him how much [TS]

00:14:59   he loves them over and over and and in [TS]

00:15:00   the dream she said I had this terrible [TS]

00:15:01   nightmare where you guys are villains [TS]

00:15:03   and we had to kill you and then she [TS]

00:15:05   wakes up and like I remember reading [TS]

00:15:08   that issue just being like why they [TS]

00:15:12   protect her in the first issue they [TS]

00:15:14   protect her when they discover the [TS]

00:15:15   secret passage and they discover that [TS]

00:15:17   they do that consistently of a from that [TS]

00:15:20   from the first issue they are taking her [TS]

00:15:22   they have Carolina take her back outside [TS]

00:15:24   so that she can't wait [TS]

00:15:26   miss whatever is going to happen next [TS]

00:15:27   cause they know it's going to be [TS]

00:15:28   something that that that Molly shouldn't [TS]

00:15:31   have to see and she's kind of the last [TS]

00:15:32   they recruit to the team right [TS]

00:15:34   well it's not that she's just the [TS]

00:15:35   youngest and yeah she's alive she's a [TS]

00:15:37   mother she's constantly like referring [TS]

00:15:39   to oh yeah our parents like we're gonna [TS]

00:15:42   go home and they're like just remember [TS]

00:15:44   we yeah we covered that ya know and and [TS]

00:15:46   that's something that they actually kept [TS]

00:15:48   up through the series even after this [TS]

00:15:49   was the fact that you know molly was [TS]

00:15:51   really having difficulty adjusting this [TS]

00:15:53   because she's very young and she still [TS]

00:15:55   needed her parents a lot more [TS]

00:15:56   comparatively speaking and I like that [TS]

00:15:58   they set up the roots for that really [TS]

00:16:00   early and kept to it to like when she [TS]

00:16:02   when they meet up with some [TS]

00:16:04   cloak-and-dagger and they take it and [TS]

00:16:06   she gets angry she rips away cloak and [TS]

00:16:08   it turns out he's standing she's like my [TS]

00:16:09   mom is a speech therapist she can [TS]

00:16:11   totally help you know it's like Molly [TS]

00:16:13   you know it but it's just such great [TS]

00:16:16   storytelling because it really twist the [TS]

00:16:18   knife used her book and she's the one [TS]

00:16:20   character i think eight they took a [TS]

00:16:22   couple of issues to really sort of you [TS]

00:16:24   get our the first few issues she scans [TS]

00:16:27   younger than 11 to me [TS]

00:16:28   yeah yeah yeahs based on my experience [TS]

00:16:30   with kids she reacts more like a like it [TS]

00:16:33   eight or nine-year-old for a while and [TS]

00:16:35   then and then they start to find their [TS]

00:16:37   groove and you know she starts acting a [TS]

00:16:39   little little more maturely like you [TS]

00:16:42   said or maybe near the fact that because [TS]

00:16:43   she's coming to grips with all of the [TS]

00:16:45   things happening around her does that [TS]

00:16:46   for her but it they do find her voice on [TS]

00:16:51   the way they do so marvelously for all [TS]

00:16:52   the other characters i should note that [TS]

00:16:54   late in the series her parents also save [TS]

00:16:57   Molly tends to present is a lot younger [TS]

00:16:58   than she is [TS]

00:16:59   it's common mutants with her level of [TS]

00:17:01   intelligence so I i suspect that maybe [TS]

00:17:04   somebody said to Brian came on you [TS]

00:17:06   realize that 11 year olds are pretty [TS]

00:17:07   sophisticated right he's like oh crap [TS]

00:17:09   now i have to find explanation for wire [TS]

00:17:10   record an eight-year-old also molly at [TS]

00:17:13   some point this is shows a great deal of [TS]

00:17:15   self-awareness and at some point in here [TS]

00:17:18   I think she says something about how you [TS]

00:17:22   know yeah you know you like it when I [TS]

00:17:24   say funny things like because I'm a kid [TS]

00:17:26   and it's it's a very very clear [TS]

00:17:28   self-awareness that but she also does [TS]

00:17:30   say a lot of really funny things [TS]

00:17:31   actually this is the this is the she's [TS]

00:17:35   not we're not laughing at her but she [TS]

00:17:37   has this bizarre world [TS]

00:17:39   view and way of phrasing the situation's [TS]

00:17:41   they get in that's really hilarious and [TS]

00:17:43   enjoyable and plus she wants to marry [TS]

00:17:45   Wolverine until she meets him later it's [TS]

00:17:48   hilarious oh yeah because there's and [TS]

00:17:51   I'm not spoiling anything for anyone but [TS]

00:17:53   this comes before the big mutant [TS]

00:17:54   powering Molly doesn't get to powered [TS]

00:17:56   her first baby with with Wolverine is [TS]

00:17:57   actually pretty hospital and she punches [TS]

00:18:00   him out of a church and there's like a [TS]

00:18:02   panel where you see him flying and he's [TS]

00:18:03   like up all the kids who have to covered [TS]

00:18:05   why wasn't she one benefit and I was [TS]

00:18:08   like okay I can accept this development [TS]

00:18:10   so one of the interesting things about [TS]

00:18:13   Runaways too i think is that unlike so [TS]

00:18:16   much of of of especially marvel comics [TS]

00:18:20   which is so new york center of DC Comics [TS]

00:18:22   has got some stand-ins for New York and [TS]

00:18:24   some other fictional cities but it's all [TS]

00:18:27   about New York with marvel comics and [TS]

00:18:29   this is a story that is set in Los [TS]

00:18:31   Angeles and there's the best guess the [TS]

00:18:34   pride is in charge of all the crime in [TS]

00:18:37   la now one advantage of doing that is [TS]

00:18:40   that it allows them to explain that [TS]

00:18:43   these guys have been here all along [TS]

00:18:45   doing evil things and we haven't seen [TS]

00:18:47   them because we don't really pay that [TS]

00:18:49   much attention to to LA in marvel comics [TS]

00:18:51   but it also is a different you know a [TS]

00:18:55   different set of colors to pay within [TS]

00:18:59   the palate and they and you know I enjoy [TS]

00:19:01   that about this 28 and it works better [TS]

00:19:03   in la than it does in New York I think [TS]

00:19:06   because of the culture especially you [TS]

00:19:09   know having the actors in it and stuff [TS]

00:19:11   like that really gets you missed more [TS]

00:19:13   license for satire and and and cultural [TS]

00:19:17   commentary than I think then you're in [TS]

00:19:18   and also in some ways because New York [TS]

00:19:20   would be so much more crowded what with [TS]

00:19:21   all the other superheroes who are on the [TS]

00:19:23   scene where is la does feel you know [TS]

00:19:25   they make fun of the west coast avengers [TS]

00:19:26   a bit but you know does feel a lot [TS]

00:19:28   emptier from the Marvel Universe [TS]

00:19:30   perspective [TS]

00:19:31   yeah it's much more spread out and I [TS]

00:19:33   think that helps the story as well as is [TS]

00:19:34   used since it's a very broad canvas that [TS]

00:19:36   both sides are playing on as opposed to [TS]

00:19:39   New York where you can't around the [TS]

00:19:40   corner without running into daredevil [TS]

00:19:42   run literally ever is always buying [TS]

00:19:45   coffee [TS]

00:19:46   you can't go to a convenience store in [TS]

00:19:47   La without right [TS]

00:19:48   into a vampire that's what I look good [TS]

00:19:49   yeah yeah that's exactly important [TS]

00:19:52   projects i enjoy this true to life [TS]

00:19:54   true-to-life well I i think we have to [TS]

00:19:56   remember also that this is before the [TS]

00:19:57   big resurgence of vampires and [TS]

00:19:59   pop-culture i was surprised by the [TS]

00:20:01   vampire appearance but it's like you [TS]

00:20:03   know I mean I guess blade still out [TS]

00:20:04   there he hasn't retired so they're still [TS]

00:20:05   there still vampires [TS]

00:20:07   yeah you know they don't pop up a lot of [TS]

00:20:09   marvel comics but i like that they had [TS]

00:20:11   cloak-and-dagger I thought that was like [TS]

00:20:13   the perfect level of Marvel hero to to [TS]

00:20:16   work in there right that was I felt like [TS]

00:20:18   that was what well selected and they're [TS]

00:20:20   kind of kids to right now [TS]

00:20:21   yes I was and they have the runaway [TS]

00:20:23   they're on the run an outrageous stories [TS]

00:20:25   right so that automatically fits [TS]

00:20:27   together [TS]

00:20:28   yeah it was also a great point how dumb [TS]

00:20:29   that origin story and you're like well [TS]

00:20:31   we got kidnapped by strangers and fed [TS]

00:20:33   drugs and like really maybe one of the [TS]

00:20:36   outfits which they do [TS]

00:20:38   oh god you always held idea yeah sorry [TS]

00:20:41   dagger but you know yeah yeah maybe we [TS]

00:20:44   should break down these characters [TS]

00:20:45   because i think that would be a nice way [TS]

00:20:46   to get into some conversations about the [TS]

00:20:49   about the about Runaways where should we [TS]

00:20:53   start slow [TS]

00:20:54   let's start the first one first one we [TS]

00:20:56   see is Alex my mom who is playing a on [TS]

00:21:00   MMO uh-oh RPG of which means to explain [TS]

00:21:04   what it is of marvel of Marvel Super [TS]

00:21:07   Heroes which made me laugh because you [TS]

00:21:09   know it's a total fake out the art style [TS]

00:21:11   is completely different and it shows [TS]

00:21:13   marvel superheroes and you're thinking [TS]

00:21:14   what am I reading here and it turns out [TS]

00:21:16   that they're playing that they're [TS]

00:21:18   playing this game and his dad [TS]

00:21:20   immediately says you can't play anymore [TS]

00:21:21   and Alex you know it's his house where [TS]

00:21:24   this all goes down at the beginning and [TS]

00:21:27   and he's he's the you know kind of super [TS]

00:21:30   smart computer genius kinda kind of kid [TS]

00:21:32   who's obviously not not happy with how [TS]

00:21:36   his parents parents still understand a [TS]

00:21:38   man yeah and we kind of learned that his [TS]

00:21:41   I guess over later that is kind of [TS]

00:21:43   superpower in that they all get kind of [TS]

00:21:45   some kind of superpower is that he's [TS]

00:21:47   basically a brilliant tactician right [TS]

00:21:49   that's kind of his yeah go yeah that's a [TS]

00:21:52   good plan logic and strategy the master [TS]

00:21:54   moment he's basically playing chess in [TS]

00:21:56   his head every everybody today one of [TS]

00:21:59   the one of the older I think Chase is [TS]

00:22:00   the oldest and then [TS]

00:22:01   looks like the second-oldest love [TS]

00:22:03   Carlina because because Chase has a [TS]

00:22:04   driver's license would see that one is [TS]

00:22:07   about the special powers that you can [TS]

00:22:08   legally so yeah this will bring up the [TS]

00:22:10   second man in the crew I'm because [TS]

00:22:12   Runaways is also unique among Marvel [TS]

00:22:14   ensembles and that it was a [TS]

00:22:15   female-dominated yes absolutely [TS]

00:22:17   indeed very female-dominated because [TS]

00:22:19   there's four girls two boys the first [TS]

00:22:21   boys Alex the second is chase who is the [TS]

00:22:23   son of two brilliant scientist chase is [TS]

00:22:25   not left brain like they are and his [TS]

00:22:27   father hates / fear / resents important [TS]

00:22:31   yeah he's like a golden boy kinda you [TS]

00:22:33   know captain of the football team kinda [TS]

00:22:35   kind of guy and not not super smart [TS]

00:22:39   yeah and his dad hates that like he's [TS]

00:22:41   just a huge disappointment to his dad so [TS]

00:22:44   there's chase and he's sarcastic i like [TS]

00:22:47   chase that the this is I i think that [TS]

00:22:50   one of the ways you you end up liking a [TS]

00:22:52   character like this who has you know who [TS]

00:22:54   is this [TS]

00:22:55   he can drive and he's got he's the you [TS]

00:22:57   know he's the captain of the football [TS]

00:22:58   team or whatever his comeback character [TS]

00:23:00   is by putting him with this collection [TS]

00:23:02   of people who are like that and and he [TS]

00:23:05   also doesn't have any powers he has like [TS]

00:23:08   some stuff he stole from his parents and [TS]

00:23:10   so it's an it's a it's a fascinating [TS]

00:23:12   turn around where he's not being given [TS]

00:23:14   enough credit for who he is as a person [TS]

00:23:15   because he's written off as this as this [TS]

00:23:18   you know football hero kind of guy and [TS]

00:23:20   he doesn't have power so he's not [TS]

00:23:22   special like most like most of the rest [TS]

00:23:24   of them and I you end up like I find [TS]

00:23:27   things done [TS]

00:23:28   yeah I find he I like him a lot which is [TS]

00:23:31   it's a neat trick I think to you to [TS]

00:23:34   bring you all the way around on chase [TS]

00:23:36   when you should really not like him for [TS]

00:23:38   all the tropes that he represents and [TS]

00:23:39   yet in the end you know you end up like [TS]

00:23:42   him a lot [TS]

00:23:43   yeah he's the one who manages to like [TS]

00:23:45   you said sort of falls into success half [TS]

00:23:47   the time half the time he's doing things [TS]

00:23:49   he thinks that are clever the other kids [TS]

00:23:51   are rolling their eyes at him and then [TS]

00:23:52   he turns around and and what's up [TS]

00:23:55   producing something you know like he's [TS]

00:23:57   the one who manages to find find girls [TS]

00:24:00   dinosaur at towards the end and makeup [TS]

00:24:03   makeup makes a point of rescuing the [TS]

00:24:04   dinosaur before he rescues guard he's [TS]

00:24:07   unquestionably loyal in a way yeah that [TS]

00:24:09   the kids are like you get the sense that [TS]

00:24:12   some of the kids would come through for [TS]

00:24:14   each other much more readily [TS]

00:24:15   mothers and the thing about Chase is [TS]

00:24:16   everybody always assumes that he won't [TS]

00:24:19   and yet every time he does and he does [TS]

00:24:20   so big like he comes through in a big [TS]

00:24:23   way when he comes through and he always [TS]

00:24:25   comes through he's he's he's I mean Alex [TS]

00:24:27   maybe the guy who does strategy and [TS]

00:24:29   tactics but chases the guy who manages [TS]

00:24:32   logistics and I really either he's got a [TS]

00:24:35   huge heart and he drives yeah various [TS]

00:24:37   medical supplies yeah in fact that [TS]

00:24:39   becomes his power essentially right is [TS]

00:24:41   that he's although he's got some [TS]

00:24:43   flame-throwing gloves at some point he [TS]

00:24:44   also can drive the vehicles [TS]

00:24:46   the gloves are kind of cool because it's [TS]

00:24:47   not just flame-throwing but like flame [TS]

00:24:49   conjuring and shaping which is I thought [TS]

00:24:51   I don't know that was neat [TS]

00:24:53   they're very cool they look very [TS]

00:24:54   exoskeleton II and very that they're [TS]

00:24:58   very of a time with it with the art to [TS]

00:25:00   like them when we can talk about the art [TS]

00:25:02   later but that art just totally screams [TS]

00:25:03   turn of the center of the century / turn [TS]

00:25:05   of the millennium as well it's there's [TS]

00:25:07   there's a very distinctive style that [TS]

00:25:09   took over in superhero comics from about [TS]

00:25:12   1998 to about two thousand eight and [TS]

00:25:14   this is right in the thick of it on but [TS]

00:25:16   to get back to the characters the third [TS]

00:25:18   was Carlina who is the lanky blonde [TS]

00:25:21   beautiful daughter of the two soap opera [TS]

00:25:23   actors and she's a vegetarian and she's [TS]

00:25:27   a lesbian and she's also a space alien [TS]

00:25:29   and she's just this very hippyish after [TS]

00:25:32   all John doesn't we'll meet okay well [TS]

00:25:36   you know rainbow lesbian it was kind of [TS]

00:25:37   brick I like I wanted and I liked about [TS]

00:25:40   her power is that she's just--she's get [TS]

00:25:42   the way it's portrayed is that the [TS]

00:25:43   colors just kind of totally wash out [TS]

00:25:45   from her and kind of override everything [TS]

00:25:48   you get you get the sense the way [TS]

00:25:50   Carolina's is portrayed that she's just [TS]

00:25:52   really bright like so bright that the [TS]

00:25:53   camera there is no camera it's a comic [TS]

00:25:55   book but the camera like can't even deal [TS]

00:25:57   with the light from it is it's just like [TS]

00:25:58   she glows and suffuses everything with [TS]

00:26:01   like which is really a lot of fun and I [TS]

00:26:03   was surprised in reading this that it is [TS]

00:26:07   her her her lesbianism is an [TS]

00:26:11   undercurrent from basically episode one [TS]

00:26:15   issue one but it doesn't really get [TS]

00:26:18   explicitly addressed until basically the [TS]

00:26:21   you very end the very end when her like [TS]

00:26:24   Nico we have to talk about your taste in [TS]

00:26:26   voice yeah [TS]

00:26:26   yeah and she's so so she's that that's [TS]

00:26:30   that's fun and she's got this extra [TS]

00:26:32   layer of being mean everybody is [TS]

00:26:35   alienated in some way or other here for [TS]

00:26:37   some reason they're an outsider there [TS]

00:26:39   another from their parents and then in [TS]

00:26:41   other ways but I feel like Carolina and [TS]

00:26:43   some ways has it has it the the worst [TS]

00:26:46   she is she is and it's not that she's [TS]

00:26:50   gay [TS]

00:26:50   it's that she's an alien and it really [TS]

00:26:52   hits her hard but she's an alien [TS]

00:26:54   that is the thing that makes her really [TS]

00:26:56   feel like another and for this again [TS]

00:26:59   like like chase this sort of [TS]

00:27:01   stereotypical she's blonde and tall and [TS]

00:27:03   beautiful and her parents are famous [TS]

00:27:06   actors she has that interesting journey [TS]

00:27:10   the other direction where she's you know [TS]

00:27:12   she feels like like as much of an [TS]

00:27:15   outsider's you could possibly because [TS]

00:27:17   she discovers she's an alien [TS]

00:27:18   well she's been betrayed a bunch of [TS]

00:27:20   levels because your family betrays her [TS]

00:27:21   you know her parents betrayer bio [TS]

00:27:23   surprised were evil and then by the way [TS]

00:27:26   they also didn't bother to tell her [TS]

00:27:27   she's not even human and so she's got [TS]

00:27:29   these two double whammy to deal with at [TS]

00:27:31   the same time and it's it's just such a [TS]

00:27:33   great metaphor for well you know you can [TS]

00:27:36   say coming out or you could say even [TS]

00:27:38   just just decided to be a different [TS]

00:27:40   religion or or or or or a different [TS]

00:27:42   political affiliation for your parents [TS]

00:27:44   it's and since she has introduces a [TS]

00:27:46   vegetarian as well it'sit's I feel like [TS]

00:27:49   that's very deliberate what they're [TS]

00:27:50   doing there when you have to declare [TS]

00:27:52   yourself completely independent of your [TS]

00:27:53   parents values of her parents [TS]

00:27:55   yeah i think it's funny because her [TS]

00:27:56   parents are they are they also [TS]

00:27:58   vegetarians isn't part of the deal there [TS]

00:28:00   I thereafter so yeah that yeah that's so [TS]

00:28:03   what I possibly but they're certainly [TS]

00:28:04   supportive of it i can't wait for her to [TS]

00:28:06   like eat meat as an act of rebellion but [TS]

00:28:08   yeah no no girl was the most of girl who [TS]

00:28:10   will get to Richard Nixon she's the most [TS]

00:28:12   overtly rebellious the reason she sticks [TS]

00:28:14   to her coat in the longest she's like I [TS]

00:28:16   don't want any name my parents gave me [TS]

00:28:17   well plus because she thinks up she [TS]

00:28:19   thinks up a really cool codename that's [TS]

00:28:21   got a idea with her sidekick and all of [TS]

00:28:23   that which yeah i also have to mention [TS]

00:28:25   her sidekick is a Velociraptor to do [TS]

00:28:27   that genetically engineered dinosaur [TS]

00:28:28   from the future who is telepathic bond [TS]

00:28:30   to her but as you do [TS]

00:28:32   yes and it's like a rainbow Velociraptor [TS]

00:28:35   and it's adorable and you know she's [TS]

00:28:38   short and cheese purple hair [TS]

00:28:40   and your total alternate chick she's the [TS]

00:28:43   book smart one [TS]

00:28:44   yeah and if there is various with the [TS]

00:28:46   art art betrayal but were led to believe [TS]

00:28:48   that she's not just short but she's [TS]

00:28:49   overweight she's yes she's she's not [TS]

00:28:53   portrayed as being attractive in now the [TS]

00:28:56   way that most comic book characters are [TS]

00:28:58   portrayed as being attractive which this [TS]

00:29:00   is where you know one of her various [TS]

00:29:01   points of alienation boy they've all got [TS]

00:29:04   something that you feel like an outsider [TS]

00:29:05   but this is this is part of her she [TS]

00:29:07   looks like a normal person instead of [TS]

00:29:09   just a common exactly and she feels [TS]

00:29:11   different from from them and she likes [TS]

00:29:14   old movies like arsenic and old lace so [TS]

00:29:16   she needs yourself arsenic names are [TS]

00:29:17   dinosaur old lace which just and they [TS]

00:29:19   will keep referring to old lace [TS]

00:29:20   throughout and it just makes me laugh [TS]

00:29:22   the whole time reading is hungover [TS]

00:29:24   philosoraptor old lady but you give a [TS]

00:29:26   better name and that's their name [TS]

00:29:28   yeah and she's very prickly like she's [TS]

00:29:31   got a lot of emotional armor she uses [TS]

00:29:32   her intellect to I'm put people on the [TS]

00:29:35   defensive so that she doesn't feel [TS]

00:29:36   defensive you find out that they're [TS]

00:29:39   actually members of the pride who don't [TS]

00:29:40   like her [TS]

00:29:42   oh yeah they have like Hershey's their [TS]

00:29:44   leashes be expendable one [TS]

00:29:46   yeah yeah she's their least favorite [TS]

00:29:48   child out of the whole bunch so but in [TS]

00:29:54   many ways she is kind of because she is [TS]

00:29:58   so vulnerable emotionally in so many [TS]

00:30:00   ways and because she uses her formidable [TS]

00:30:02   intellect to as a protective mechanism [TS]

00:30:06   it's good that you had they have a [TS]

00:30:07   distrustful brain in the operation to [TS]

00:30:10   because alex is a little bit too [TS]

00:30:12   emotionally removed from everything in [TS]

00:30:14   into high on being the strategist and [TS]

00:30:16   chasing Carolyn are very emotional so [TS]

00:30:19   having dirt to to bring things helmet [TS]

00:30:22   with a cynical quip about human nature [TS]

00:30:23   is I mean this is like another great [TS]

00:30:25   thing about Runaways it points out how [TS]

00:30:27   these six kids are such complementary [TS]

00:30:28   personalities like they can squabble but [TS]

00:30:30   they still all bring something to the [TS]

00:30:33   table that everybody else needs it's [TS]

00:30:34   it's a beautiful ensemble origin story [TS]

00:30:37   that way so yeah she's one of my [TS]

00:30:40   favorites in in the series and we have [TS]

00:30:43   two more we have Nico manorial also [TS]

00:30:46   known as a sister grim the witch [TS]

00:30:49   yes she's a witch she has to cut herself [TS]

00:30:51   for her staff to come out and she's the [TS]

00:30:54   guy [TS]

00:30:54   off so the gods and the cuttings hold it [TS]

00:30:56   says little yeah that one that got to me [TS]

00:31:00   a little they make a direct reference to [TS]

00:31:02   it and that is still a little [TS]

00:31:03   uncomfortable i agree it's yeah she will [TS]

00:31:06   make direct reference to her when she [TS]

00:31:08   says she stopped and she's she's had to [TS]

00:31:10   figure out other ways [TS]

00:31:12   well right doesn't she not cut herself [TS]

00:31:14   and and it's revealed the plot twist is [TS]

00:31:17   that she's got her period so she doesn't [TS]

00:31:19   have to cut herself foods are we it's a [TS]

00:31:20   weird whole little segment there [TS]

00:31:23   yeah that she basically the story is [TS]

00:31:26   that from one year to the next she's [TS]

00:31:28   gone from being a slightly nerdy [TS]

00:31:29   withdrawn kids to being a goth and [TS]

00:31:31   therefore friendly cool and intimidating [TS]

00:31:33   and both Carlina and alex properly [TS]

00:31:37   develop crushes on her and the thing [TS]

00:31:40   I've always liked about her magic is [TS]

00:31:41   like what she uses the spell she can't [TS]

00:31:43   use it again [TS]

00:31:43   I thought that was a cool i mean that [TS]

00:31:45   was a really interesting take on the [TS]

00:31:46   idea of like how do you not make magic [TS]

00:31:49   all-powerful right and let you you put [TS]

00:31:52   in limits which I really love ya and in [TS]

00:31:54   a reason i thought that was like a [TS]

00:31:55   really imaginative limit as opposed to [TS]

00:31:57   like I can only cast five spells a day [TS]

00:31:59   or i can only cast the spell every 20 [TS]

00:32:01   minutes like the idea that you can only [TS]

00:32:02   cast a new spell ever is AI mean that I [TS]

00:32:06   don't I thought that was pretty cool [TS]

00:32:07   well forces you to think through your [TS]

00:32:09   magic which is always been my big [TS]

00:32:11   objection to magic and comic books is is [TS]

00:32:13   people who just kind of randomly like [TS]

00:32:15   wave their arms out there sparkles in [TS]

00:32:16   the panel and then poof everyone's of a [TS]

00:32:18   rabbit or whatever and there's not a [TS]

00:32:21   whole lot of well this is the effect or [TS]

00:32:22   when you push this directions is what [TS]

00:32:24   happens or or strategy and if i may [TS]

00:32:29   reference harry potter for a moment one [TS]

00:32:30   of the first things that hermione the [TS]

00:32:33   which points and harry potter is always [TS]

00:32:34   you're smart but they're not practical [TS]

00:32:36   or not strategic and that's how you beat [TS]

00:32:38   up mr. strategy and what I liked about [TS]

00:32:40   the magic in here is that Nico has [TS]

00:32:42   learned how to use it strategically and [TS]

00:32:45   in thinking through and it's just such [TS]

00:32:46   an elegant twist on on what could only [TS]

00:32:48   be 0 and now I went through the ether [TS]

00:32:50   with dr. strange and we talk about [TS]

00:32:51   things so I like that a lot [TS]

00:32:55   it was very it's smart the same way and [TS]

00:32:58   we get to our last character who's Molly [TS]

00:32:59   who have discussed already who's the [TS]

00:33:01   eleven-year-old girl daughter of mutants [TS]

00:33:03   also meet with super strength yourself [TS]

00:33:04   and i love the fact [TS]

00:33:06   that her invulnerability and her super [TS]

00:33:08   strength take a lot out of her and she [TS]

00:33:10   passes out and they literally can't wake [TS]

00:33:12   her up so if they use Molly in a fight [TS]

00:33:13   somebody then is tasked with carrying [TS]

00:33:15   around a heavy eleven-year-old girl from [TS]

00:33:17   place to place while she sleeps and I [TS]

00:33:20   thought that work well as kind of a [TS]

00:33:21   mechanical so is that like I feel like [TS]

00:33:23   molly is a character really kind of ties [TS]

00:33:25   them together as like a family right yes [TS]

00:33:27   because you because they are teenagers [TS]

00:33:29   and they kind of squabble and it kind of [TS]

00:33:31   feels like if they didn't have Molly [TS]

00:33:32   there that they have to like protect the [TS]

00:33:34   lookout for like maybe they could have [TS]

00:33:36   just all split up and go on their own [TS]

00:33:37   ways but it's like yeah Molly's there [TS]

00:33:39   and like as a group they are [TS]

00:33:40   collectively responsible for her you [TS]

00:33:42   know and and so that an important part [TS]

00:33:45   of kind of tying them together as they [TS]

00:33:46   then build on that right that's very [TS]

00:33:48   regular being responsible and being [TS]

00:33:50   parents because their parents their [TS]

00:33:51   growing up really fast yeah exactly [TS]

00:33:53   what's interesting is about the same [TS]

00:33:56   time in the ultimate's universe when [TS]

00:33:58   they introduced Wolverine to the [TS]

00:34:01   ultimate's universe [TS]

00:34:02   he's a he's a turncoat there's a lot of [TS]

00:34:04   plot competition the LA but you can tell [TS]

00:34:06   that he's become part of the group when [TS]

00:34:08   he goes into a fight and he screams it [TS]

00:34:10   somebody cover kitties eyes she can't [TS]

00:34:11   see this and he makes everybody else [TS]

00:34:14   helped him take responsibility for [TS]

00:34:16   making sure that she doesn't watch a [TS]

00:34:17   whole lot of carnage and so the way they [TS]

00:34:20   watched out for Molly here you know [TS]

00:34:21   reminded me of that tail again from [TS]

00:34:23   issue one they are protecting Molly and [TS]

00:34:26   I was going to mention earlier I i [TS]

00:34:27   assume everybody unless perhaps your [TS]

00:34:30   parents didn't have friends but my [TS]

00:34:31   parents had friends and you inevitably [TS]

00:34:34   get put together with their friends kids [TS]

00:34:38   who are you're not your friends but [TS]

00:34:40   they're your age and I you know we have [TS]

00:34:43   some friends where with kids the same [TS]

00:34:45   age as mine then we go over to their [TS]

00:34:47   house now and it's like I'm doing it to [TS]

00:34:49   them now but you know it's good to have [TS]

00:34:52   that be the root of this at the [TS]

00:34:53   beginning is also funny because these [TS]

00:34:54   are these are contemporaries who know [TS]

00:34:56   each other but they're not friends [TS]

00:34:58   they're not friends when they're put in [TS]

00:34:59   this situation and I I kind of love that [TS]

00:35:01   aspect of it to that you know imagine [TS]

00:35:03   that you know that you end up on the run [TS]

00:35:07   not with your best friend from high [TS]

00:35:08   school but that you know the girl whose [TS]

00:35:11   parents were buddies with your parents [TS]

00:35:13   and you know that you would have to get [TS]

00:35:14   dragged over to their house and now you [TS]

00:35:17   guys are on the run it's like that's not [TS]

00:35:18   as [TS]

00:35:19   as fun a story and I love that about [TS]

00:35:21   this and they have strong opinions about [TS]

00:35:23   your parents because they have known [TS]

00:35:25   them for 10 years said that yeah yeah [TS]

00:35:29   there's I i love that extra layer of [TS]

00:35:31   awkwardness that goes in there it's just [TS]

00:35:34   smart [TS]

00:35:35   it's to such a smart book on so many [TS]

00:35:37   levels like from sending of origin [TS]

00:35:39   stories to exploring family dynamics to [TS]

00:35:42   coming-of-age to putting reasonable [TS]

00:35:45   limits on what these kids can and can't [TS]

00:35:46   do [TS]

00:35:47   it's no wonder that when I'm in deep [TS]

00:35:50   into the second volume of this series [TS]

00:35:52   when bryan cave on left that the first [TS]

00:35:55   writer who was brought on what Joss [TS]

00:35:57   Whedon because it and you know his [TS]

00:35:59   issues aren't great and you know it may [TS]

00:36:02   be at the end we can talk a little bit [TS]

00:36:03   about sort of what has happened to the [TS]

00:36:05   runaways since the the bryan cave on [TS]

00:36:08   left but I this is playing all the same [TS]

00:36:11   notes that Joss Whedon played with Buffy [TS]

00:36:13   especially which is obviously a show [TS]

00:36:15   near and dear to my heart but it's the [TS]

00:36:16   same kind of kind of bits and I had [TS]

00:36:18   that's one of the reasons why why I [TS]

00:36:21   really enjoyed it now we should talk [TS]

00:36:22   about the big twist that happens in the [TS]

00:36:24   story is everything was going so we're [TS]

00:36:28   gonna fire up the spoiler horn here you [TS]

00:36:29   should really have already read all of [TS]

00:36:31   this but if there is one big twist if [TS]

00:36:34   you haven't read through to you know the [TS]

00:36:36   last few issues of this volume I [TS]

00:36:37   recommend that you do so it's also one [TS]

00:36:40   Marvel unlimited if you've got that you [TS]

00:36:41   can just go read them there or you can [TS]

00:36:43   buy that volume that I talked about [TS]

00:36:44   earlier [TS]

00:36:45   we're gonna fire off spoiler for the big [TS]

00:36:46   twist [TS]

00:36:50   ok so I there's that there's a a [TS]

00:36:53   turncoat in the runaways who has left an [TS]

00:36:57   anonymous notes that nobody can [TS]

00:36:59   recognize the handwriting which is kind [TS]

00:37:01   of funny and all the kids you know [TS]

00:37:03   whatever they better already [TS]

00:37:05   they're always the same saying that [TS]

00:37:07   they're loyal to their parents and and [TS]

00:37:10   they are are not going to go along with [TS]

00:37:12   the gang and it's revealed near the very [TS]

00:37:15   end that it's the first character we [TS]

00:37:17   meet Alex Wilder who is who believes his [TS]

00:37:21   parents are because he he saw them [TS]

00:37:23   earlier he sought to me earlier and and [TS]

00:37:26   figured it all out and thought that they [TS]

00:37:28   were heroes for trying to because the [TS]

00:37:31   way the the jibber him have put it and [TS]

00:37:33   of the pride put it is they're saving [TS]

00:37:35   the world they're saving the world by [TS]

00:37:37   killing all the people but they're [TS]

00:37:38   saving the world will be much better [TS]

00:37:41   when they're gone he learns about the [TS]

00:37:44   plan of a couple of the other sets of [TS]

00:37:46   parents to to kill everybody else off [TS]

00:37:48   the eighth the aliens and the mutants [TS]

00:37:50   decide well we're going to betray [TS]

00:37:51   everybody and kill everybody off and we [TS]

00:37:54   and our daughters will claim those six [TS]

00:37:56   spots for immortality and Alex manages [TS]

00:37:59   to learn of this plot and one of his [TS]

00:38:01   goals is to save his parents and [TS]

00:38:04   eventually he decides Nico and her [TS]

00:38:06   family should get the others other spots [TS]

00:38:08   so that's also part of it not just that [TS]

00:38:10   he stumbled across it but he you know he [TS]

00:38:13   is trying to save his parents just as [TS]

00:38:14   they are trying to set it up so that [TS]

00:38:17   their kids live forever i'm going to be [TS]

00:38:20   the naysayer I don't like this twist i [TS]

00:38:22   also because I've seen it done in other [TS]

00:38:23   places and I really it just frustrates [TS]

00:38:25   me whenever you're supposed to be [TS]

00:38:26   brought into the confidence of someone [TS]

00:38:28   and it's like oh that was all trick like [TS]

00:38:31   it to me it doesn't necessarily hold [TS]

00:38:33   water with the rest of the series it [TS]

00:38:36   feels like something that was put into [TS]

00:38:37   be surprising but without necessarily [TS]

00:38:38   the ground wait in the early i disagree [TS]

00:38:41   i totally disagree with that there are [TS]

00:38:43   so many clues all the way through the [TS]

00:38:46   story and alex says he's like look that [TS]

00:38:49   mark of a great game master a dungeon [TS]

00:38:50   master is to always make everybody else [TS]

00:38:52   who's playing the games like they're in [TS]

00:38:54   control but but players here when you [TS]

00:38:56   rob the love that you don't matter black [TS]

00:38:58   like that's a great way to end that [TS]

00:38:59   campaign [TS]

00:39:00   no personal so Shannon Shannon what are [TS]

00:39:03   the clues [TS]

00:39:04   there's like five or six instances where [TS]

00:39:06   Alex mainly when he's talking to Nico [TS]

00:39:08   where he's about to tell her something [TS]

00:39:10   and they get interrupted and this is [TS]

00:39:12   part of one going to think the things to [TS]

00:39:14   add to lisa's list from earlier that [TS]

00:39:16   Brian Vaughn is so good at is the bait [TS]

00:39:18   and switch on and in this case you [TS]

00:39:21   assume alex is going to say to Nico that [TS]

00:39:23   he likes her or he loves her or he's [TS]

00:39:25   attracted to her and no apparently he [TS]

00:39:28   was going to tell her you know look I'm [TS]

00:39:30   working with my parents I want to save [TS]

00:39:32   you and me [TS]

00:39:33   there's like two or three instances [TS]

00:39:34   where that happens on so i think it is [TS]

00:39:37   hinted at maybe you know not a [TS]

00:39:40   super-strong way on the first reading I [TS]

00:39:41   think it's hinted there i guess i guess [TS]

00:39:43   I'm kind of on the dance I'd where I [TS]

00:39:46   just I was a little disappointed by it [TS]

00:39:47   and I mean because I mean we knew there [TS]

00:39:49   was the scenes where we there [TS]

00:39:51   the parents are reading the notes and so [TS]

00:39:52   we know this is the thing and like you [TS]

00:39:54   know as we're getting closer and closer [TS]

00:39:55   to the end of the book i'm like well [TS]

00:39:57   they haven't figured this out yet and [TS]

00:39:58   I'm like I'm going through the six [TS]

00:40:00   characters in my head trying to figure [TS]

00:40:01   out who they are its like none of them [TS]

00:40:03   right makes sense to me and I get you [TS]

00:40:05   know it fits together that they have [TS]

00:40:07   explained the Alex but i guess i don't [TS]

00:40:09   like the explanation like literally I [TS]

00:40:11   was thinking like what if it's the [TS]

00:40:12   Raptor that would be really cool with [TS]

00:40:14   the restaurant back but i would not [TS]

00:40:15   actually be cool that would be dumb but [TS]

00:40:17   I would like to see the Raptor sipping a [TS]

00:40:19   comment explaining his plan but i guess [TS]

00:40:22   i was i was there was not a letter that [TS]

00:40:25   dress and I haven't got a little [TS]

00:40:27   disappointed by so we're possibly a [TS]

00:40:30   raptor sipping tea so over it and like [TS]

00:40:32   it with a priest of directors the [TS]

00:40:34   British accent too because that would be [TS]

00:40:35   the best of course enjoy your book of [TS]

00:40:37   plan has been when he's got the one of [TS]

00:40:39   his three claws out pinky style you know [TS]

00:40:42   exactly yes it's the Raptors like it's [TS]

00:40:44   basically Gorilla Grodd accepted reptile [TS]

00:40:46   for air and I guess that it's not it's [TS]

00:40:48   less the fact that it's not hinted at [TS]

00:40:50   cuz you know Shannon's got a point that [TS]

00:40:51   there are there are sort of allusions to [TS]

00:40:53   it but the fact that it doesn't really [TS]

00:40:54   make sense to me because it's you know [TS]

00:40:57   and I understand the idea that he's [TS]

00:40:59   supposed to be a strategist and and what [TS]

00:41:00   have you but it seems incredibly [TS]

00:41:02   conflict to be okay so what I'm gonna [TS]

00:41:04   I'm gonna go with dan and Tony here [TS]

00:41:06   um I enjoyed the first time I read it I [TS]

00:41:10   enjoyed the twist because I didn't see [TS]

00:41:12   it coming and it was a really [TS]

00:41:13   interesting [TS]

00:41:14   twist this time knowing that Alex [TS]

00:41:16   betrays them and reading through it i [TS]

00:41:19   was looking for signs of his betrayal [TS]

00:41:22   and reasons why it makes sense and i [TS]

00:41:24   gotta say yeah there are some moments [TS]

00:41:26   where he's going to reveal something but [TS]

00:41:27   I look at his overall behavior in the [TS]

00:41:30   first six issues let's say and I just [TS]

00:41:33   don't buy it I just don't buy it that he [TS]

00:41:34   that he was that it was all part of a [TS]

00:41:36   plot and he was secretly supporting his [TS]

00:41:38   parents all along it just doesn't that [TS]

00:41:39   just doesn't make sense to me i found [TS]

00:41:41   that final fight with everybody hey I [TS]

00:41:44   thought that was a little unwieldy and I [TS]

00:41:45   guess I I was not as excited about the [TS]

00:41:47   parents characters because there were so [TS]

00:41:49   many of them and i don't know i mean [TS]

00:41:51   yeah they're not they're not very [TS]

00:41:53   flushed out some other more fleshed-out [TS]

00:41:55   than others but like I guess I found [TS]

00:41:57   them kind of annoying because there were [TS]

00:41:58   so many of because there's literally [TS]

00:41:59   there's 12 of them right yeah yeah even [TS]

00:42:01   harder to keep stirring they're wearing [TS]

00:42:02   costumes it's easier and then but then I [TS]

00:42:05   found that confusing because then [TS]

00:42:06   sometimes they're not wearing costumes [TS]

00:42:07   and even like trying to figure out who's [TS]

00:42:08   who here and then then there's some of [TS]

00:42:11   them have a conspiracy against the [TS]

00:42:12   others like I didn't but I guess the [TS]

00:42:15   lead-up then there's this big fight [TS]

00:42:16   because it's a comic book so it's gonna [TS]

00:42:18   be a big fight but even that felt kind [TS]

00:42:19   of unwieldy and hard to know what was [TS]

00:42:21   going on it's like was really that part [TS]

00:42:22   of the plan I I don't know it didn't [TS]

00:42:24   feel super master mighty so i was i was [TS]

00:42:26   a little disappointed by the way I get [TS]

00:42:27   the feeling that it's all supposed to go [TS]

00:42:29   pear-shaped because first um youyou have [TS]

00:42:31   the mutant pair and the alien pair of [TS]

00:42:34   planning on killing everybody else and [TS]

00:42:37   rice or any mixture pairs there and [TS]

00:42:39   suddenly I was imagining a mutant like [TS]

00:42:41   piece of fruit [TS]

00:42:42   how young is in giant like eight foot [TS]

00:42:45   parents rolling down the street [TS]

00:42:47   demanding chocolate to be different it [TS]

00:42:48   now but a little later but suddenly [TS]

00:42:50   integrals both pear shape but suddenly [TS]

00:42:52   they're there are some ways as well [TS]

00:42:53   there's there's a saying and some of [TS]

00:42:56   those are children oh I was about to [TS]

00:42:57   call problems like no you idiot our [TS]

00:42:59   children are right there and the kids [TS]

00:43:01   come in so there goes the assassination [TS]

00:43:03   plot and while those four people are [TS]

00:43:04   scrambling to recover the kids like your [TS]

00:43:07   evil mama today we're going to fight you [TS]

00:43:08   and then Alex turns on them and the [TS]

00:43:10   gibberish show up analysis goes I'm [TS]

00:43:12   gonna be a man and claimed [TS]

00:43:13   responsibility and the gym you okay fine [TS]

00:43:16   they set him on fire and kill him which [TS]

00:43:19   the first read that i was like oh my god [TS]

00:43:21   they killed a child in the comics Wow [TS]

00:43:23   mom [TS]

00:43:24   so they set the house on fire they kill [TS]

00:43:26   him [TS]

00:43:27   and that's when like Alex's parents [TS]

00:43:29   snapping like okay right fine you know [TS]

00:43:31   we all have to kill the gym now because [TS]

00:43:33   this is everything we've worked for is [TS]

00:43:35   now dust and ashes and the parents push [TS]

00:43:38   the kids out its chaos it's madness and [TS]

00:43:40   and then there's you know just it's it's [TS]

00:43:42   everybody's plans go to help the same [TS]

00:43:44   time the thing that's confusing is you [TS]

00:43:47   had three different sets of plans going [TS]

00:43:48   on and Molly has molly has custody of [TS]

00:43:52   this poor kids soul for a while and you [TS]

00:43:55   know and the editor and what's really [TS]

00:43:56   funny smileys phones container with a [TS]

00:43:58   soul that they're going to feed these [TS]

00:43:59   awful moral beings just like Molly [TS]

00:44:01   that's a very special heritage please [TS]

00:44:03   put it right and the way to talk down to [TS]

00:44:07   her and try to downplay exactly how [TS]

00:44:09   awful it fit if you know which is really [TS]

00:44:12   abusive it as well [TS]

00:44:15   yeah I don't agree with the guys that um [TS]

00:44:17   certainly you know that Alex turning out [TS]

00:44:20   to be the turncoat arm it's not you [TS]

00:44:24   don't have to like it [TS]

00:44:25   I mean you know I actually when i was [TS]

00:44:27   reading these over the weekend I brought [TS]

00:44:29   them with me on a mini vacation and my [TS]

00:44:30   son my thirteen-year-old had never read [TS]

00:44:32   them before and he started reading them [TS]

00:44:34   and he came to me after he finished the [TS]

00:44:36   first one he's just like mom why did it [TS]

00:44:39   have to be because if my son he games he [TS]

00:44:44   identified without looks very strongly [TS]

00:44:46   and so he was very very hurt a bit that [TS]

00:44:50   it turned out to be that Alex was the [TS]

00:44:52   one who betrayed the rest of them he [TS]

00:44:54   didn't like that you know whether you [TS]

00:44:56   know how well you think it was written [TS]

00:44:58   or how much since you made it thought [TS]

00:45:00   its don't have an emotional impact you [TS]

00:45:03   know whether you you agreed with it or [TS]

00:45:04   you disagreed with that you disliked it [TS]

00:45:06   on the impact is there and there's a [TS]

00:45:09   sort of success to that you get invested [TS]

00:45:11   enough in those characters that you're [TS]

00:45:13   upset when one of them does something [TS]

00:45:14   that you feel like is a betrayal and you [TS]

00:45:18   know i think that there's something to [TS]

00:45:19   that but at the same time it feels it [TS]

00:45:21   felt unsatisfying to me I mean I thought [TS]

00:45:23   he is a hero right and he is part of [TS]

00:45:25   this family and you know you can explain [TS]

00:45:28   that because he's the cold calculating [TS]

00:45:29   mastermind and you could say that all of [TS]

00:45:31   his relationship with his family were [TS]

00:45:32   kind of intended to you know that [TS]

00:45:35   advances plan but still it's like I [TS]

00:45:38   don't know it feels a little at odds [TS]

00:45:40   with [TS]

00:45:40   when I feel like I'm supposed to take [TS]

00:45:41   away from the book about these teenagers [TS]

00:45:44   in this family they create together in [TS]

00:45:45   the meeting they have among each other [TS]

00:45:46   because because one of the participants [TS]

00:45:49   some participants and that was basically [TS]

00:45:51   using them i think that's also another [TS]

00:45:54   metaphor for high school though because [TS]

00:45:56   this entire book is basically that's too [TS]

00:45:58   dark [TS]

00:45:59   that's two paths you're right now right [TS]

00:46:01   but very true so much of this book is [TS]

00:46:04   about the psychological obstacles that [TS]

00:46:07   you face when you're moving from early [TS]

00:46:10   adolescence to early adulthood and I try [TS]

00:46:13   to think about this whole thing is as [TS]

00:46:15   you say I can't be the only one here who [TS]

00:46:17   had who during the course of her high [TS]

00:46:19   school years maybe unpleasant discovery [TS]

00:46:20   that your friends at a friends so-called [TS]

00:46:22   loyalty was like that your friends are [TS]

00:46:26   capable deceiving you and and declare [TS]

00:46:29   loyalty to themselves and and and kick [TS]

00:46:31   the chair out from you at the worst [TS]

00:46:32   possible moment like that's a teenage [TS]

00:46:35   experience as a lot more Universal than [TS]

00:46:37   on universal and so usually I a friend [TS]

00:46:39   are all friends now is I'm fine i [TS]

00:46:41   deliberately keeping the number vague [TS]

00:46:42   haha I'm but you know I'm thinking of a [TS]

00:46:46   friend in particular I thought you know [TS]

00:46:48   the big betrayal or rather be perceived [TS]

00:46:51   betrayal of one friend by another or the [TS]

00:46:54   unpleasant discovery that you and a [TS]

00:46:55   friend are nowhere near on the same page [TS]

00:46:57   on something that was very important to [TS]

00:46:59   you like that's a huge part of high [TS]

00:47:00   school for people the idea that you [TS]

00:47:02   can't trust your friends unconditionally [TS]

00:47:04   is something that you do learn and I [TS]

00:47:08   think that Alex was a way to to connect [TS]

00:47:12   to that message to or to you know hit an [TS]

00:47:15   emotional know that a lot of kids that [TS]

00:47:16   age who might have been reading the book [TS]

00:47:17   work were like oh yeah I can I can't [TS]

00:47:19   identify with this so I've brought down [TS]

00:47:23   the house now everyone's not so don't [TS]

00:47:26   don't don't find somebody who's robbing [TS]

00:47:29   a mini-mart and put them on your team [TS]

00:47:32   now yeah not really when they're like [TS]

00:47:34   dropping Beatles references and and the [TS]

00:47:37   a-team and their way before your time to [TS]

00:47:39   wait am i a vampire that that's done [TS]

00:47:41   bryan cave on playing with us and [TS]

00:47:43   thinking oh well that writer doesn't [TS]

00:47:44   have his pop culture references right [TS]

00:47:47   accepted it is actually intending for it [TS]

00:47:49   to be that way [TS]

00:47:50   but it's a bait-and-switch yeah but [TS]

00:47:53   that's where that's where you get the [TS]

00:47:54   Apple the the joss whedon reference is [TS]

00:47:57   made in X to that point because so so [TS]

00:48:01   unfair how talented he is [TS]

00:48:03   oh yeah I give on yeah yeah yeahs and [TS]

00:48:05   well I made the beauty of and you could [TS]

00:48:07   see it coming of of the solution to the [TS]

00:48:09   vampire guy is that Carolina lets him [TS]

00:48:12   bite her and since she's all glowy here [TS]

00:48:15   her blood is presumably super glowy or [TS]

00:48:19   sunlight solar power charger yeah yeah [TS]

00:48:22   so that's that's that's how that works [TS]

00:48:24   she's its liquid daylight man yeah yeah [TS]

00:48:27   thank God for vampires they're like she [TS]

00:48:30   said she wasn't sure it would work [TS]

00:48:31   yeah you know what that's what another [TS]

00:48:34   one of the great things about the kids [TS]

00:48:35   superhero story right is that they're [TS]

00:48:38   there [TS]

00:48:39   this is all metaphorical but it's you [TS]

00:48:40   know they're learning who they are and [TS]

00:48:42   what they can do and that could be for [TS]

00:48:45   as an adventure story that's a lot of [TS]

00:48:46   fun to have them not really know what [TS]

00:48:49   the thing is gonna be like chases thing [TS]

00:48:50   we think is going to be flame gloves but [TS]

00:48:53   in the end it's more that he's the [TS]

00:48:54   driver and that has as the story moves [TS]

00:48:57   along he has some other things happen [TS]

00:48:58   that we won't get into here yet my mom [TS]

00:49:01   but I you know that that's kind of an [TS]

00:49:04   interesting evolution that they're all [TS]

00:49:05   figuring out sort of what their what [TS]

00:49:07   their roles are so before we talk about [TS]

00:49:11   where this where where they go from here [TS]

00:49:13   I wanted to ask all of you [TS]

00:49:16   overall the this 18 issues storyline [TS]

00:49:19   that we've got your volume 1 you know [TS]

00:49:21   we've obviously got some quibbles about [TS]

00:49:23   some of it but overall thoughts about [TS]

00:49:25   you know what was good what was good [TS]

00:49:27   about it you like it overall Tony let's [TS]

00:49:29   start with you [TS]

00:49:30   um it was okay i mean it's a little so I [TS]

00:49:34   ready for the first time in preparation [TS]

00:49:35   for this podcast and I think it was a [TS]

00:49:37   little hard for me to its to read [TS]

00:49:39   something by an author that you really [TS]

00:49:41   like and then go backward so because [TS]

00:49:45   i've read my last manager and ex machina [TS]

00:49:47   I've read saga and I feel like this is [TS]

00:49:49   not on the same level as all those [TS]

00:49:51   because he did it earlier and he was [TS]

00:49:52   still figuring things out so I like all [TS]

00:49:55   those a lot more than this so i feel [TS]

00:49:57   like this was okay but it sometimes it's [TS]

00:49:59   hard to go backward and I have this [TS]

00:50:00   problem a lot when I find something and [TS]

00:50:01   I [TS]

00:50:01   I really like it and I want to go out [TS]

00:50:03   and read all the other stuff but by the [TS]

00:50:05   by that person and as you work backward [TS]

00:50:08   sometimes you find yourself you know [TS]

00:50:09   going back to when things were rougher I [TS]

00:50:12   always remember after i finished [TS]

00:50:13   watching the wire and I probably three [TS]

00:50:15   watch the wire couple times and then I [TS]

00:50:17   went and watched like a lot of seasons [TS]

00:50:18   of homicide and everyone is good show [TS]

00:50:21   but it's not the wire and then I went [TS]

00:50:23   and started reading like all the novels [TS]

00:50:25   by the books on all the novels by some [TS]

00:50:27   of the writers for the wire and some of [TS]

00:50:28   those are good but as you go backward [TS]

00:50:30   there's you know they get less good up [TS]

00:50:33   so that it's hard to work backward in a [TS]

00:50:35   in a in a catalog right so so I enjoyed [TS]

00:50:39   it but probably I mean I think I would [TS]

00:50:41   feel a lot more positive about it i [TS]

00:50:43   don't think i was going as some other [TS]

00:50:44   folks if I you know traveled back in [TS]

00:50:46   time and right at 10 years ago I [TS]

00:50:48   probably would have been more I will [TS]

00:50:49   also say I just like right before [TS]

00:50:51   reading that i read the new ms marvel [TS]

00:50:54   and that plays with a lot of similar [TS]

00:50:57   themes two Runaways in ways that i found [TS]

00:50:59   a lot more exciting and kind of gripping [TS]

00:51:02   so maybe that was the wrong you know [TS]

00:51:04   sequence of things to consume i really [TS]

00:51:06   like Miss Marple having just read that [TS]

00:51:08   last week it's not it's uh this is I [TS]

00:51:11   mean I mentioned this earlier this is [TS]

00:51:12   also a a kind of book that we don't [TS]

00:51:14   really see much up now we can do you the [TS]

00:51:16   other breaking up on stuff you're [TS]

00:51:17   mentioning is all keno creator-owned [TS]

00:51:20   material and this is neither [TS]

00:51:22   creator-owned material nor a creator [TS]

00:51:26   being brought onto a classic character [TS]

00:51:28   and doing a run where they got [TS]

00:51:29   interesting stories to tell [TS]

00:51:30   this is this weird thing where it bryan [TS]

00:51:33   cave on created these characters for [TS]

00:51:35   Marvel and so it's you know it [TS]

00:51:38   that does make it different and a little [TS]

00:51:40   bit weird so you know there's been I [TS]

00:51:42   read a bunch of comics that were kind of [TS]

00:51:44   about teenagers that were probably [TS]

00:51:45   geared it for an audience younger they [TS]

00:51:47   make recently because i just read the [TS]

00:51:49   new Batgirl and then i read miss marvel [TS]

00:51:51   and then i read this and I don't know [TS]

00:51:54   for some reason the depictions of you [TS]

00:51:55   know youth are a little bit stronger i [TS]

00:51:57   think those in those other ones but i [TS]

00:51:59   don't know maybe I'm just old now [TS]

00:52:00   yes the aging everyday thats make the [TS]

00:52:04   old man Tony and wear your wear your [TS]

00:52:06   overall thoughts well I mean like Tony I [TS]

00:52:09   had read my last man I'd part of x mark [TS]

00:52:12   and I don't think I finished it actually [TS]

00:52:14   just read a miniseries by [TS]

00:52:15   keyvan dating a doctor strange [TS]

00:52:17   miniseries that he did that was pretty [TS]

00:52:18   good the oath I yeah I i feel like i can [TS]

00:52:22   kind of modeling on it like I i got [TS]

00:52:25   wrapped up in it but in some ways it's [TS]

00:52:26   always tricky for me when a when I feel [TS]

00:52:28   like a story doesn't necessarily stick [TS]

00:52:30   its ending i think in another podcast [TS]

00:52:32   that we did many years ago i mentioned i [TS]

00:52:34   had this problem with the british [TS]

00:52:35   miniseries state of play which is that I [TS]

00:52:37   love me like first five episodes i hate [TS]

00:52:39   the ending and and part of that is that [TS]

00:52:42   I just you know it sometimes you just [TS]

00:52:44   sort of left without sour taste in your [TS]

00:52:45   mouth of like man he had that was not [TS]

00:52:47   how I saw this going and and you know [TS]

00:52:50   that you know that's a that's a personal [TS]

00:52:51   taste thing more than a a you know [TS]

00:52:53   objective assessment thing where it's [TS]

00:52:56   just like it's hard sometimes when you [TS]

00:52:57   get to the end of a book and you're like [TS]

00:52:58   me i didn't like the ending to look back [TS]

00:53:00   at the rest of it and look back at all [TS]

00:53:01   the things it does well and I think [TS]

00:53:03   there's a lot of stuff that runaway does [TS]

00:53:04   well i think that the the comparisons [TS]

00:53:06   were drawing with high school and [TS]

00:53:07   teenage existence is really kind of spot [TS]

00:53:09   on I think Brian given is an excellent [TS]

00:53:11   writer i really love saga which i've [TS]

00:53:13   been reading pretty regularly [TS]

00:53:14   I everything everything that I've read [TS]

00:53:17   by him I've enjoyed in some capacity or [TS]

00:53:19   not and i enjoy the marvel universe as a [TS]

00:53:22   whole and so this one I thought was a [TS]

00:53:23   great premise is a great setup the [TS]

00:53:26   execution of it is like pretty spot-on [TS]

00:53:28   for a lot of it and then I just I just [TS]

00:53:29   feel like it takes it takes a takes the [TS]

00:53:32   wrong turn at albuquerque somewhere and [TS]

00:53:33   just sort of frustrates me so I i came [TS]

00:53:36   down very meddling on it [TS]

00:53:37   I don't know if I would necessarily go [TS]

00:53:39   on read further volumes there are so [TS]

00:53:41   many comics to read especially when [TS]

00:53:42   you've got marvel in the hood so it's [TS]

00:53:44   hard to sort of devote time to things [TS]

00:53:46   like that was that was ok that's fine [TS]

00:53:47   but you know I i feel very badly on it I [TS]

00:53:51   think Dan's point about the ending [TS]

00:53:52   really rings with me where I feel a [TS]

00:53:54   little jilted by and you know I think I [TS]

00:53:56   was actually feeling more down on it [TS]

00:53:57   until we started a podcast and in a very [TS]

00:54:00   reminding me of things and it's like [TS]

00:54:01   yeah those were things i like that I [TS]

00:54:03   kind of got pushed aside by my my [TS]

00:54:05   feelings about the ending so it's good [TS]

00:54:08   to be reminded us because there is a lot [TS]

00:54:09   of good stuff in here that I think I you [TS]

00:54:11   know that and I i finished it recently [TS]

00:54:13   so maybe you'll feel differently with [TS]

00:54:15   some distance from it but the ending you [TS]

00:54:18   know wasn't exactly what I was looking [TS]

00:54:19   for [TS]

00:54:19   we will you spend a lot of time ago as [TS]

00:54:22   much time with vampires in a convenience [TS]

00:54:23   store or vampires you know elsewhere as [TS]

00:54:26   we do with the ultimate climax [TS]

00:54:29   the entire 18 issues and a little [TS]

00:54:31   wandering there i mean you know it when [TS]

00:54:33   some ways you have to fill a certain [TS]

00:54:34   number of books in an arc right I'm sure [TS]

00:54:37   and so that makes a good it's a good [TS]

00:54:39   moment plot-wise for the to sort of [TS]

00:54:40   bring them together because you have [TS]

00:54:41   that moment where it's like well are [TS]

00:54:42   they all gonna get divided up in their [TS]

00:54:43   petty disputes are going to get the [TS]

00:54:45   better of them and it's like now they [TS]

00:54:46   come together as a family and a team and [TS]

00:54:48   able to overcome that that you know that [TS]

00:54:51   obstacle but at the same time it just [TS]

00:54:53   does this is a little meandering going [TS]

00:54:56   on there that I don't mind really [TS]

00:54:57   entering my mind that meandering [TS]

00:54:59   followed by a right what feels like a [TS]

00:55:01   rushed and climax and that that's sort [TS]

00:55:04   of how I I i will agree with you there I [TS]

00:55:07   ID doesn't bother me as much but they're [TS]

00:55:09   the moment where alex gets disintegrated [TS]

00:55:12   is like this half-page panel and then [TS]

00:55:17   they kind of move on with the story and [TS]

00:55:18   i'm sitting here thinking on one level [TS]

00:55:20   that's trying to be fast paced on [TS]

00:55:22   another level [TS]

00:55:22   that's kind of a huge thing that just [TS]

00:55:24   happened and it's given no room for it's [TS]

00:55:28   just it's you know if you're not paying [TS]

00:55:30   to close attention you just missed the [TS]

00:55:32   major plot point in the entire thing you [TS]

00:55:34   know [TS]

00:55:35   bye-bye just flipping a little too soon [TS]

00:55:37   i have that problem where it's like [TS]

00:55:38   there's not that much space left in this [TS]

00:55:40   book is I'm getting how on earth are [TS]

00:55:42   they gonna wrap all this way up in a way [TS]

00:55:44   that will feel satisfied and have a coda [TS]

00:55:46   right because the f issue is it which I [TS]

00:55:48   like yeah is very nice [TS]

00:55:50   Kota over it in you know it's revealed [TS]

00:55:52   the title revealed on the last page that [TS]

00:55:53   it's 18 this is not just issue 18 but [TS]

00:55:56   it's about them coming of age really [TS]

00:55:58   nice but set su 17 is really rushed i [TS]

00:56:02   think i agree with ya Shannon what are [TS]

00:56:04   your thoughts about Runaways as a whole [TS]

00:56:06   haha as a whole arm and about the ending [TS]

00:56:09   please throw that in there okay well [TS]

00:56:12   about the ending first then a bit on i [TS]

00:56:14   agree that the ending was a bit rushed [TS]

00:56:16   that the pacing was off their arm I [TS]

00:56:19   wouldn't throw out the vampire story [TS]

00:56:21   line i think that was an important small [TS]

00:56:23   step in where are they had to learn not [TS]

00:56:26   only can they not trust most of the [TS]

00:56:28   adults they can't always trust the other [TS]

00:56:31   kids you know because that their idea [TS]

00:56:33   was they were going to welcome this poor [TS]

00:56:35   kid because he fed them the story that [TS]

00:56:37   my parents made me do this on and they [TS]

00:56:40   were all ready to add somebody else to [TS]

00:56:42   their group [TS]

00:56:42   Ben welcome them in and then they [TS]

00:56:44   discover he's not who he says so that [TS]

00:56:47   was an important sort of step in their [TS]

00:56:48   learning process but again it does i [TS]

00:56:53   think push events towards the end [TS]

00:56:55   whether it's that particular part of the [TS]

00:56:58   story or the parents and all of their [TS]

00:57:00   plotting that pushes it to the point [TS]

00:57:02   where Alex's sacrifices for his death [TS]

00:57:05   doesn't get the impact that deserves but [TS]

00:57:07   overall I enjoy this book I think that [TS]

00:57:11   these 18 issues set up a really overall [TS]

00:57:15   satisfying story as a whole part of it [TS]

00:57:17   being because I'm a character person if [TS]

00:57:20   I've got interesting characters that are [TS]

00:57:22   interacting with each other in [TS]

00:57:24   interesting ways i'll forgive quite a [TS]

00:57:26   bit in the way of plot for that so I was [TS]

00:57:29   having this exact conversation with [TS]

00:57:31   somebody about the Netflix series [TS]

00:57:33   sensate I'm like a fourth of the way [TS]

00:57:35   through that right now and other ppl [TS]

00:57:37   watching her like I was it ever going to [TS]

00:57:39   start is it ever going to start in like [TS]

00:57:40   what are you talking about it's terrific [TS]

00:57:41   because of all these people interacting [TS]

00:57:44   and that's one of the things for [TS]

00:57:46   Runaways that really sings for me that [TS]

00:57:47   we've got these six different kids on [TS]

00:57:50   each of them with different [TS]

00:57:51   personalities different likes different [TS]

00:57:53   dislikes and circumstances force them [TS]

00:57:56   into this situation and they've got to [TS]

00:57:59   deal with each other and that's uh [TS]

00:58:01   that's one of the things I love about [TS]

00:58:02   the book as well as vons attention to [TS]

00:58:04   detail [TS]

00:58:05   I'm so many little things fit together [TS]

00:58:07   very well [TS]

00:58:09   hints that he drops the bait-and-switch [TS]

00:58:11   that he does we spent the whole first [TS]

00:58:13   issue with Molly or the first couple of [TS]

00:58:15   issues of Molly trying to tell her [TS]

00:58:17   parents are trying to tell the older [TS]

00:58:18   girls my body's doing strange things and [TS]

00:58:20   of course we think it's because she's [TS]

00:58:22   about to have her first period and no [TS]

00:58:23   humor mutant side is about to come out [TS]

00:58:25   you know brilliant little things like [TS]

00:58:27   that seemed to me and and really work [TS]

00:58:32   for me [TS]

00:58:33   so overall I enjoyed this book like I [TS]

00:58:35   said I wanted sharing it with my son he [TS]

00:58:36   wound up devouring the entire run that [TS]

00:58:39   we have in the last three or four days [TS]

00:58:40   and like I said you know a character [TS]

00:58:44   death and and things like that aside he [TS]

00:58:46   really enjoyed them and very nice Lisa [TS]

00:58:48   what he would give me a summary of your [TS]

00:58:51   feelings about runaway [TS]

00:58:52   and forwards was no yeah it's are trying [TS]

00:58:56   just what I'm saying that my brain is [TS]

00:58:59   just see stuff like it's an essay [TS]

00:59:00   question and there are many ways in [TS]

00:59:03   which i love i will like it out [TS]

00:59:06   Webster's defines runaway nice tony dize [TS]

00:59:10   I first want to say I really appreciated [TS]

00:59:15   hearing um dann Antonis perspectives on [TS]

00:59:19   it mostly because i am trying to sift [TS]

00:59:23   through now how much of my great joy and [TS]

00:59:25   revisiting this series is me hopping [TS]

00:59:28   through the the wormhole and sliding [TS]

00:59:31   back to 2003-2004 when I was buying this [TS]

00:59:33   month by month and how much of it is in [TS]

00:59:38   a pretty me being able to appreciate it [TS]

00:59:41   now you know independent of of whatever [TS]

00:59:43   happy personal context i have so I'm [TS]

00:59:45   still trying to sift through that that's [TS]

00:59:49   that I still I'm like I guess everyone [TS]

00:59:52   else I didn't really have a problem with [TS]

00:59:54   either the big reveal that Alex is the [TS]

00:59:56   mastermind or the the incredibly chaos [TS]

00:59:56   mastermind or the the incredibly chaos [TS]

01:00:00   I can rush ending um just because both [TS]

01:00:03   of those felt kind of organic to me [TS]

01:00:05   I you know that there's that saying that [TS]

01:00:07   war is either an excruciating boredom [TS]

01:00:09   punctuated by moments of sheer terror [TS]

01:00:11   and so I felt like the rush to ending [TS]

01:00:13   where everybody's plans go to hell at [TS]

01:00:15   exactly the same time like that that [TS]

01:00:17   absolutely made sense where you know it [TS]

01:00:19   just goes to show you can prep and you [TS]

01:00:21   can plan and you can carefully scheme [TS]

01:00:22   and then someone throws a monkey wrench [TS]

01:00:24   into it I was um I really think the [TS]

01:00:27   series works wonderfully as a metaphor [TS]

01:00:29   for adolescence and what I liked about [TS]

01:00:31   it is that von doesn't make the evil [TS]

01:00:34   villains like a hundred percent evil [TS]

01:00:36   whether off kicking puppies in their [TS]

01:00:37   spare time and they've been feigning you [TS]

01:00:39   know good parenting like that he points [TS]

01:00:42   out that these characters are incredibly [TS]

01:00:46   complex than that people who do [TS]

01:00:48   objectively terrible things can do them [TS]

01:00:50   for reasons that they think are good [TS]

01:00:52   reasons or that people can change their [TS]

01:00:54   motivations overtime and I like to [TS]

01:00:56   introduce that complexity because again [TS]

01:00:58   that something else that you grapple [TS]

01:00:59   with through adolescence where you have [TS]

01:01:00   to come to the realization that very few [TS]

01:01:03   people are a hundred percent good or a [TS]

01:01:05   hundred percent bad everybody has the [TS]

01:01:06   right thing for the wrong reason to the [TS]

01:01:08   wrong thing for the right reason we all [TS]

01:01:09   have to learn mistakes blah blah and so [TS]

01:01:12   I just I'm of the opinion that you could [TS]

01:01:15   kind of had this serious almost any 13 [TS]

01:01:17   or 14 or kid and go here and leave him [TS]

01:01:20   alone with it and it will it will be [TS]

01:01:21   something that they quietly returned to [TS]

01:01:23   the next two or three years they're busy [TS]

01:01:25   you know making their way through the [TS]

01:01:26   world that's that I do have a tremendous [TS]

01:01:29   amount of nostalgia for and i think [TS]

01:01:31   that's that's coloring a lot of my [TS]

01:01:32   perspective too because I enjoyed going [TS]

01:01:35   to the comic book store and picking it [TS]

01:01:37   up as I went along and and i enjoyed I i [TS]

01:01:41   had the experience of having everything [TS]

01:01:43   play out in real time and I think that [TS]

01:01:45   add that added a layer to it i mean [TS]

01:01:47   maybe this is a subject for another [TS]

01:01:49   podcast but I think there's a difference [TS]

01:01:50   between when you binge on an entire [TS]

01:01:52   comic book series run which is kind of [TS]

01:01:55   how to read everything now versus when [TS]

01:01:57   you are you know serializing the story [TS]

01:01:59   and you have a chance let marinate in [TS]

01:02:00   the back of your head and you get [TS]

01:02:01   invested you think about it and and [TS]

01:02:03   you're bringing other stuff into it and [TS]

01:02:05   that's actually something I was going to [TS]

01:02:07   ask um I think at least are you the only [TS]

01:02:09   one who was able to read it month to [TS]

01:02:10   month because chip and I picked it up [TS]

01:02:12   when the first collection came out so we [TS]

01:02:15   were getting the collections so we were [TS]

01:02:17   getting like 18 episodes 18 stories at a [TS]

01:02:20   time but still we were reading it back [TS]

01:02:22   then and not you know very recently [TS]

01:02:25   pretty much from 2000-2010 I could be [TS]

01:02:28   found in a comic book store every [TS]

01:02:29   wednesday or every tuesday night after i [TS]

01:02:31   got to be after got to be good friends [TS]

01:02:32   at the comic book store owners so what [TS]

01:02:35   yeah well I'm I've bought lots of comics [TS]

01:02:37   that way as well but I think that maybe [TS]

01:02:38   one of the reasons that like you know [TS]

01:02:40   Jason how about you do I rich i read [TS]

01:02:42   actually I went back and read them [TS]

01:02:44   because of my read the story about how [TS]

01:02:46   joss whedon was gonna be on Runaways and [TS]

01:02:48   oh my god was not the perfect fit [TS]

01:02:50   because it was a show series you know [TS]

01:02:53   that was very much tied into the same [TS]

01:02:54   kind of themes that he covered on Buffy [TS]

01:02:56   and I thought I've never even heard of [TS]

01:02:57   this and so that's when I read it and I [TS]

01:02:59   Oh irony that you know it the the stuff [TS]

01:03:02   that came before Joss Whedon's run was [TS]

01:03:04   better so yeah you know yeah but if we [TS]

01:03:07   don't talk about that but no no no its [TS]

01:03:09   you know you do makeup gloves on bench [TS]

01:03:11   dick [TS]

01:03:12   there's a really great point though that [TS]

01:03:14   I'm i think this is you know a component [TS]

01:03:16   cable assembly and talented there but i [TS]

01:03:20   do think that as he's I i think as he's [TS]

01:03:23   matured is is like a person an artist [TS]

01:03:25   like his stuff has gotten stronger and [TS]

01:03:26   better and and before he was not [TS]

01:03:29   coasting but before he he was there was [TS]

01:03:31   just a lot of rock talent that he was [TS]

01:03:32   learning how to harness and now he's got [TS]

01:03:35   into the now he's gotten to a point [TS]

01:03:36   where like you just watch them work and [TS]

01:03:37   you're like oh my god to master at work [TS]

01:03:39   on which is also kind of funny because [TS]

01:03:43   my only complaint about why the last [TS]

01:03:44   minute as I think the last few issues [TS]

01:03:45   are rushed so how's the runaways problem [TS]

01:03:47   all over again right [TS]

01:03:49   ya know that that's my only complaint [TS]

01:03:51   with the last man that I really like the [TS]

01:03:53   last five issues of that are just kind [TS]

01:03:54   of like what the what and that's kind of [TS]

01:03:58   a letdown but passion problems [TS]

01:04:00   yeah he's got some facing problems but [TS]

01:04:02   you know it's so does J michael [TS]

01:04:03   Straczynski so fifteens it's an epic [TS]

01:04:06   which are they did you know they don't [TS]

01:04:08   always have control right i mean yeah [TS]

01:04:09   yeah in the chatroom our friend moisa [TS]

01:04:12   suggesting that it may actually have [TS]

01:04:14   been a there may have been an editorial [TS]

01:04:16   mandate to wrap it up a nap or canceling [TS]

01:04:19   it and yeah well they all the volume 2 [TS]

01:04:20   1-2 days I think vol.2 started almost [TS]

01:04:22   exactly like almost right [TS]

01:04:24   after vol.1 let off it was it but it but [TS]

01:04:27   it may have been one of those like we're [TS]

01:04:29   going to a number one and starting again [TS]

01:04:30   so wrap it up but ya know it's hard [TS]

01:04:33   I mean like 100 bullets is one of my [TS]

01:04:34   favorite comics of all time and it's so [TS]

01:04:37   perfect and so detailed and then toward [TS]

01:04:39   the end it's like you guys what happened [TS]

01:04:41   guys [TS]

01:04:41   hey before we go let's talk about if [TS]

01:04:44   you're reading anything interesting for [TS]

01:04:45   the world of comic books do more'n what [TS]

01:04:47   are you reading [TS]

01:04:48   so I just finished reading at least up [TS]

01:04:50   to where marvel unlimited has it anyways [TS]

01:04:53   the the most recent I think two runs on [TS]

01:04:56   Captain Marvel which are the Kelly sue [TS]

01:04:57   deconnick runs and they're fabulous [TS]

01:05:00   they're fantastic they're really really [TS]

01:05:02   good day I really got into them [TS]

01:05:04   I really i had read nothing none of the [TS]

01:05:08   old ms marvel you know pretty reboot [TS]

01:05:11   things with her with carol danvers I I [TS]

01:05:13   really didn't know much about the [TS]

01:05:15   character and I totally dug it [TS]

01:05:17   it's awesome not only because you have a [TS]

01:05:19   you know a female character who is super [TS]

01:05:22   kick ass and also you know about as far [TS]

01:05:25   from me like a shrinking violet as you [TS]

01:05:27   can get as far as characters go but also [TS]

01:05:29   because like they do a really good job [TS]

01:05:31   of making her story is compelling and [TS]

01:05:33   bouncing between both stuff that happens [TS]

01:05:34   on earth that's interesting and sort of [TS]

01:05:37   the cosmic stories that she teams up [TS]

01:05:39   with the guardians of the galaxy at one [TS]

01:05:40   point and you know there's a lot of [TS]

01:05:43   great supporting characters in here [TS]

01:05:45   especially a lot of her supporting [TS]

01:05:46   characters are also women which is [TS]

01:05:48   fantastic and so and she's tectonics a [TS]

01:05:51   really sharp writer see her stuff is [TS]

01:05:54   great i love some of the interactions [TS]

01:05:56   between Carol and her supporting [TS]

01:05:58   characters especially kid who is her [TS]

01:06:01   like like this this little girl [TS]

01:06:03   essentially the cheese / friended whose [TS]

01:06:06   is like her biggest fan and so I i [TS]

01:06:09   really really dig that it shouldn't be [TS]

01:06:10   surprising anyways that it does have at [TS]

01:06:12   times a little bit of a Hawkeye vibe [TS]

01:06:14   given that close to cumming is married [TS]

01:06:15   to matt fraction but i really i thought [TS]

01:06:19   it was great and I just I've got to the [TS]

01:06:21   point where I'm like refreshing marvel [TS]

01:06:22   unlimited all the time like a lot more [TS]

01:06:24   issues a lot more issues than six months [TS]

01:06:26   behind so I cannot recommend that highly [TS]

01:06:30   enough I i I'm really bummed that the [TS]

01:06:32   movie doesn't come out until I 2008 key [TS]

01:06:35   Tony what are you reading [TS]

01:06:37   well i just read the first two [TS]

01:06:39   collections of the new ms marvel with [TS]

01:06:41   Kamala Khan as Marvel we could really [TS]

01:06:44   fun and really great about this you know [TS]

01:06:47   teenage superhero in jersey city who [TS]

01:06:50   takes on the identity of miss marvel and [TS]

01:06:52   has these crazy shape-shifting powers [TS]

01:06:54   and is trying to save her friends and [TS]

01:06:57   she's inhuman I believe technically huh [TS]

01:06:59   it was really fun i really liked it it [TS]

01:07:01   felt just really fun and original and [TS]

01:07:04   headed a new villain and you know have [TS]

01:07:06   that mix of like we're gonna have some [TS]

01:07:07   cameos from Marvel people you know to [TS]

01:07:09   let you know that this is important but [TS]

01:07:10   also some new stuff which is like when [TS]

01:07:12   there's new stuff I also right before [TS]

01:07:14   that i read the new background [TS]

01:07:16   collection and that with the hipster [TS]

01:07:20   Batgirl if you get this one but it kind [TS]

01:07:23   of made me feel like there's all these [TS]

01:07:24   hipster like references and it's like I [TS]

01:07:26   can't tell if that's like an actual band [TS]

01:07:28   or like parody of a band or just a fake [TS]

01:07:30   reference and it's like I don't know [TS]

01:07:32   it's kind of fun but it's also like I [TS]

01:07:34   feel like this is unlike five to ten [TS]

01:07:36   years too old to be reading this and i [TS]

01:07:37   don't i don't know what unit to measure [TS]

01:07:40   coolness in but I'm not cool enough to [TS]

01:07:41   be read this comic book so i think but [TS]

01:07:44   it's get scared for a cooler younger [TS]

01:07:45   audience with me so maybe you are that [TS]

01:07:48   audience that you should read it and [TS]

01:07:50   then I've got next I'm not started it [TS]

01:07:52   yet but a volume 2 of the wicked the [TS]

01:07:54   divine and I really liked vol.1 so i'm [TS]

01:07:57   i'm looking forward to that it's this [TS]

01:07:58   the premise of it is basically every [TS]

01:08:02   roughly every century like these God's [TS]

01:08:05   rise and walk around Earth and take on [TS]

01:08:07   the bodies of like teenagers and and in [TS]

01:08:09   in the current setting there you know [TS]

01:08:11   they basically all our kind of these [TS]

01:08:12   rock star type personas that have cult [TS]

01:08:15   of celebrity around them and then that [TS]

01:08:17   time start happening on some of that [TS]

01:08:18   it's really it feels like not get it [TS]

01:08:21   takes me back to kind of like the heyday [TS]

01:08:23   of vertigo comics with like you know [TS]

01:08:25   there's angels and demons but guess what [TS]

01:08:27   the angels are bad [TS]

01:08:28   you know when that doesn't describe [TS]

01:08:35   forty percent of vertigo comics I'll [TS]

01:08:37   apologize but until then and I'm not a [TS]

01:08:41   bad thing but that's what it was [TS]

01:08:42   so Shannon what are you reading anything [TS]

01:08:45   other than run with uh yeah i'm a very [TS]

01:08:48   bad comics fan these days I've been [TS]

01:08:49   swamped with my job and what little [TS]

01:08:52   comics i get is chip thrusting his ipad [TS]

01:08:54   at me and saying read this so you know [TS]

01:08:56   I've seen you a little bit of Hawkeye a [TS]

01:08:58   little bit of saga a little bit of the [TS]

01:09:00   current Sandman um I'm hoping that I can [TS]

01:09:03   sit down and actually catch up on some [TS]

01:09:05   of the stuff that I've been missing you [TS]

01:09:08   know if everybody just sort of tweets me [TS]

01:09:09   suggestions and i'll start making a list [TS]

01:09:11   of what I need to catch up on what I'm [TS]

01:09:13   thinking about looking at next though is [TS]

01:09:15   going back and reading the J michael [TS]

01:09:18   Straczynski series from several years [TS]

01:09:19   ago rising stars like i said i'm [TS]

01:09:22   currently watching since eight and a lot [TS]

01:09:24   of the vibe from that show i think is [TS]

01:09:27   also in his rising stars and I remember [TS]

01:09:29   enjoying that series very much the first [TS]

01:09:32   time around but it's been a long time so [TS]

01:09:34   I'm thinking about going back and [TS]

01:09:35   reading that and you already know how it [TS]

01:09:37   in so you can be displayed at second [TS]

01:09:38   time so sorry that was a little shopping [TS]

01:09:41   without the anyway I didn't think it was [TS]

01:09:42   a disappointing you heard the history [TS]

01:09:44   and I i did lisa misses I've talked [TS]

01:09:46   about rising star I've got some kind of [TS]

01:09:48   snake enjoy the Pacific that's I think [TS]

01:09:51   that's happening today cast for [TS]

01:09:54   different folks we so what are you what [TS]

01:09:56   are you reading anything you want to [TS]

01:09:57   recommend i'm sure i just finished up [TS]

01:10:00   Noel Stevens first trade for lumber [TS]

01:10:02   jeans and I also firmly red pneumonia i [TS]

01:10:06   had been reading all that might like I'm [TS]

01:10:08   so I got the two but I got the trade and [TS]

01:10:10   i read that too and that was that really [TS]

01:10:13   awesome last night i finished volume 2 [TS]

01:10:16   of the wicked and the divine to get Tony [TS]

01:10:19   so I will not tell these are like me but [TS]

01:10:22   in the future how is it features as well [TS]

01:10:25   I can't wait all like to do is not die [TS]

01:10:27   and I'll get there implying the money [TS]

01:10:29   now anyway they could define is [TS]

01:10:30   fantastic i get i recommended it in the [TS]

01:10:34   email newsletter right so what who cares [TS]

01:10:36   a couple weeks I think like a week or [TS]

01:10:38   two ago and i actually got email from [TS]

01:10:40   readers think i was going to unsubscribe [TS]

01:10:41   but then you [TS]

01:10:42   recommended these comics is really good [TS]

01:10:43   so I guess I want your attention very [TS]

01:10:47   good [TS]

01:10:48   oh yeah so so that's it I'm the wicked [TS]

01:10:50   and divine is by karen gillan or chillin [TS]

01:10:53   I guess given karen gillan and Jamie [TS]

01:10:54   McKelvie they also did a series called [TS]

01:10:56   phonogram which I love and just read the [TS]

01:11:00   first two trades for that as well i'm on [TS]

01:11:04   my list to read [TS]

01:11:06   we're going away this weekend my husband [TS]

01:11:07   and I and so on my list read for this [TS]

01:11:09   weekend I have volumes to in three of [TS]

01:11:11   the massive which is an eco-terrorist [TS]

01:11:16   thriller type of deal where it's about [TS]

01:11:18   it's about basically the Rainbow Warrior [TS]

01:11:20   green pieces the rainbow works if they [TS]

01:11:22   don't use the word Greenpeace and they [TS]

01:11:24   don't use their the warrior and it's [TS]

01:11:27   it's a dark horse title and it's [TS]

01:11:28   basically about one of the last eco [TS]

01:11:30   activist groups during an apartment [TS]

01:11:33   during environmental apocalypse and they [TS]

01:11:37   basic that the crew of the massive is [TS]

01:11:39   going out looking for mr. missing [TS]

01:11:40   sistership and trying to figure out why [TS]

01:11:43   why the Earth's environment collapse and [TS]

01:11:45   it's fun and chaotic there are five [TS]

01:11:48   volumes total i'm only on volumes 2 and [TS]

01:11:50   3 i'm also reading the New Moon Moon [TS]

01:11:53   Knight on Jason's recommendation or was [TS]

01:11:56   that Dan's maybe withstands I I like 12 [TS]

01:11:59   it's possible i started reading it [TS]

01:12:01   during our superhero podcast recently I [TS]

01:12:04   had some downtime anyway and anyway it [TS]

01:12:07   was a warrantless you know I anyone else [TS]

01:12:09   and i also have she helped vol.1 lon [TS]

01:12:11   disorder on top of my pile so those are [TS]

01:12:13   the four things i'm going to read this [TS]

01:12:14   week the only the only shame about the [TS]

01:12:16   the warren ellis moon notice it's only [TS]

01:12:17   six issues I think I don't know if I [TS]

01:12:19   million and he was off of it and it's [TS]

01:12:21   too bad because they're really pretty [TS]

01:12:23   darn good [TS]

01:12:25   it is so much more analysis finest [TS]

01:12:27   Warren also i can go back and read [TS]

01:12:28   something else so it's just it's I'd [TS]

01:12:31   I've really been lucky that I've been on [TS]

01:12:33   a roll [TS]

01:12:34   also the DC has been releasing back [TS]

01:12:38   issues of green arrow from the mike [TS]

01:12:39   grell run in the nineteen eighties and [TS]

01:12:42   so i recently read vol.3 I i tweeted a [TS]

01:12:46   picture of Oliver Queen going to go see [TS]

01:12:48   cats in Seattle as a matter of fact but [TS]

01:12:51   it's really fun to read those it's [TS]

01:12:53   really fun to read the girl stuff now [TS]

01:12:54   first because the artist [TS]

01:12:55   fantastically ladies in seconds because [TS]

01:12:57   it's kind of fun to see the roots for [TS]

01:12:59   some the flat ones that have popped up [TS]

01:13:00   on arrow the TV series so I've got a [TS]

01:13:03   couple quick ones I in the any rare [TS]

01:13:07   example of an event series we talked [TS]

01:13:08   about event series and how disappointing [TS]

01:13:11   they are so many times on the show I [TS]

01:13:12   will I will say I'm actually really [TS]

01:13:14   enjoying secret wars because I feel like [TS]

01:13:17   yes it doesn't matter and if you read [TS]

01:13:19   event series because they're gonna [TS]

01:13:20   matter then this is not the one for you [TS]

01:13:22   I enjoy that kind of doesn't matter and [TS]

01:13:24   it's a crazy mixed-up there is a story [TS]

01:13:27   about how this crazy mixed-up world came [TS]

01:13:29   to be and there are few people who [TS]

01:13:30   survived from the old universe and I and [TS]

01:13:33   there is the most fascinating portrayal [TS]

01:13:35   of dr. doom i've ever seen i am really [TS]

01:13:37   enjoying secret wars i cannot believe [TS]

01:13:39   i'm saying that but I really am but I [TS]

01:13:41   also really enjoyed one of the spin-offs [TS]

01:13:43   which is called Thor's and in the Secret [TS]

01:13:46   Wars scenario the police are a bunch of [TS]

01:13:49   Thor's from various alternate realities [TS]

01:13:51   they are like they're you don't call the [TS]

01:13:54   cops called Thor's and it is a it is a [TS]

01:13:56   holga dizzy is a stone-cold whodunit [TS]

01:14:00   story about a murder and a series of [TS]

01:14:04   murders and the authorities are [TS]

01:14:05   investigating them and it really i just [TS]

01:14:07   found a delightful it is on one level [TS]

01:14:09   ridiculous frog Thor is amit by the way [TS]

01:14:11   yes frogs or later rebuilt ok and uh and [TS]

01:14:16   the tone it knows exactly what it's [TS]

01:14:18   being which is this detective story [TS]

01:14:20   really enjoyable and then the only other [TS]

01:14:22   thing I'll mention is darkhorse is now [TS]

01:14:24   releasing their trades on comixology [TS]

01:14:27   which makes me very happy because I [TS]

01:14:29   prefer to read things comiXology star [TS]

01:14:31   courses app is kind of stinky and I've [TS]

01:14:34   been catching up with Buffy Season ten [TS]

01:14:36   which I've actually been enjoying I [TS]

01:14:37   think they kind of lost their way with [TS]

01:14:38   season 9 but season 10 has been really [TS]

01:14:42   amusing a lot of fun so back to the [TS]

01:14:44   bulky stuff they're all right well this [TS]

01:14:45   brings us to the end of the comic book [TS]

01:14:47   club i would like to thank my guests for [TS]

01:14:49   talking about Runaways with us tonight [TS]

01:14:52   damn warrant thank you it was a distinct [TS]

01:14:55   pleasure [TS]

01:14:55   I Tony sindelar you can be my dinosaur [TS]

01:14:59   sidekick anytime goodnight Superfriends [TS]

01:15:02   Shannon soda thank you so much for being [TS]

01:15:05   on a pleasure and Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

01:15:09   thank you thank you i had a great time [TS]

01:15:11   you will have to do this again sometime [TS]

01:15:14   soon with some other comic book maybe [TS]

01:15:16   people will like the ending better [TS]

01:15:18   who knows maybe not things are hard [TS]

01:15:20   anyway that is the end of this episode [TS]

01:15:22   of the uncomfortable thanks to everybody [TS]

01:15:24   out there for listening i have been your [TS]

01:15:26   host Jason li will continue to be that [TS]

01:15:27   person but not here until next week [TS]

01:15:30   goodbye [TS]

01:15:55   hello I'm Anthony Johnson the host of [TS]

01:15:57   unjustly maligned here on the [TS]

01:15:59   incomparable network and I've already [TS]

01:16:01   burned through 15 seconds of the oh so [TS]

01:16:03   precious minute I've been given to tell [TS]

01:16:05   you about the show [TS]

01:16:06   it's all about the sometimes strange [TS]

01:16:08   things we love that other people [TS]

01:16:10   well don't some of the guests defending [TS]

01:16:13   their taste in pop culture include wil [TS]

01:16:15   wheaton e original tron the Alexander [TS]

01:16:19   Twilight universe Merlin Mann the 2009 [TS]

01:16:23   movie watchmen Casey lists the dave [TS]

01:16:26   matthews band Erica and Cyn star wars [TS]

01:16:28   episode 1 the Phantom minute and of [TS]

01:16:31   course it wouldn't be an incomparable [TS]

01:16:33   show without Jason smell himself poking [TS]

01:16:35   his nose in stargate sg-1 the science [TS]

01:16:38   fiction TV series plus many many more [TS]

01:16:40   unjustly maligned is the show for people [TS]

01:16:42   who go against the grain every Monday [TS]

01:16:45   here on the uncomfortable [TS]

01:16:47   30 you MP dot FM to subscribe and [TS]

01:16:49   remember there's no such thing as a [TS]

01:16:51   guilty pleasure [TS]

01:16:53   Wow three seconds left nail [TS]