Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 478.

00:00:14 ◼   ► It is made possible by our sponsor, Squarespace.

00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen. How are you?

00:00:22 ◼   ► I am good. How are you?

00:00:25 ◼   ► I'm doing fantastic. It's very early for you.

00:00:28 ◼   ► We're recording this at a different schedule and it's like at 8 30 in the morning.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Yeah, so if I sound... This is how I sound in the morning, basically.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Deeper and worse, but what can you do?

00:00:41 ◼   ► I had a couple weeks ago, I was already up and moving and one of my parents called me.

00:00:47 ◼   ► They're like, "Did I wake you up?"

00:00:48 ◼   ► I was like, "No, this is just how I sound."

00:00:49 ◼   ► Like, I just sound like death until 10 a.m. or so.

00:00:52 ◼   ► But we're here, Mike is on vacation.

00:00:57 ◼   ► And I think Mike needs something from the listeners to know that he's missed.

00:01:02 ◼   ► Yeah, so we've done emoji before, right?

00:01:07 ◼   ► I think it's time we move past the emoji.

00:01:10 ◼   ► And I think we should do something that Mike is not capable of doing.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Mike, if I recall correctly, cannot write haikus.

00:01:24 ◼   ► He has struggled with that in the past.

00:01:26 ◼   ► The counting gets him, I think.

00:01:27 ◼   ► Yes, so I think we should ask listeners to write Michael a haiku.

00:01:36 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:37 ◼   ► And tell him he's missed.

00:01:39 ◼   ► I think so.

00:01:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Yeah?

00:01:42 ◼   ► I love it.

00:01:42 ◼   ► I absolutely love it.

00:01:44 ◼   ► Okay, so feel free to get creative, write a haiku and tell Mike he's missed from the show.

00:01:52 ◼   ► And the discord, whatever, he's missed.

00:01:55 ◼   ► Yeah, you know, however you get to sound with us.

00:01:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:59 ◼   ► Uh, get in touch with the UK embassy.

00:02:01 ◼   ► If you imagine Mike gets home and like the military shows up at his door and like,

00:02:10 ◼   ► uh, we've got all these letters for you.

00:02:12 ◼   ► You need to come with us.

00:02:13 ◼   ► We have some really important follow ups, Steven.

00:02:18 ◼   ► We do.

00:02:19 ◼   ► Most of the show today is follow up.

00:02:21 ◼   ► There's a lot of follow up, I think.

00:02:23 ◼   ► It's basically so, so basically this episode, a couple of things happened, right?

00:02:26 ◼   ► We're recording at an unusual time.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Mike is gone.

00:02:29 ◼   ► Nothing happens the week after American Thanksgiving.

00:02:33 ◼   ► So this was me basically cleaning out our feedback inbox.

00:02:38 ◼   ► That's basically what the whole episode is, is answering questions for people.

00:02:41 ◼   ► We're going to help people today is what we're going to do with two tiny topics that are

00:02:45 ◼   ► actually topics.

00:02:46 ◼   ► But first, uh, big, some shopping advice, I guess.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Yes.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Yes.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Some retail advice that are going to say that I needed a Christmas tree.

00:02:55 ◼   ► Where would you suggest I go?

00:02:57 ◼   ► Uh, I would suggest you go to 25 West center street Orem next to burger King at Federico

00:03:05 ◼   ► Christmas trees, which is open for business.

00:03:10 ◼   ► Again, I literally just read the address from their Instagram page.

00:03:14 ◼   ► Um, Federico Christmas tree Christmas trees, uh, a business, uh, based in Ohio.

00:03:21 ◼   ► Do I, did I get this right?

00:03:24 ◼   ► No, Utah.

00:03:24 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Utah, uh, at the Orem at central street and state street next to the burger King next

00:03:31 ◼   ► to the burger King.

00:03:32 ◼   ► Um, they have a tree growers in Oregon and they have the lot in Orem, Utah.

00:03:39 ◼   ► Um, I don't recall correctly how, how these, um, family run business, I want to say, came

00:03:48 ◼   ► to be a recurring topic on the show.

00:03:51 ◼   ► I think a listener sent it into us.

00:03:53 ◼   ► I think so.

00:03:54 ◼   ► Eventually.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Initially.

00:03:57 ◼   ► We've been advertising for free with, they're not a sponsor of the show, but we have been

00:04:04 ◼   ► mentioning Federico Christmas trees, um, for the past few years.

00:04:08 ◼   ► And, uh, they're, they're back in full swing now.

00:04:11 ◼   ► They're open for business again, they opened on November 22nd.

00:04:15 ◼   ► And I guess if you need a Christmas tree and you are in Utah, uh, go check out for the

00:04:18 ◼   ► ego Christmas trees and tell them connected sent you, they will have no idea what that

00:04:23 ◼   ► means, but at least you will be, you will have the satisfaction of saying that in real

00:04:28 ◼   ► life.

00:04:29 ◼   ► Look, they're, they're a family business since 1988.

00:04:32 ◼   ► And I really, I mean, I was born the year you were born.

00:04:37 ◼   ► And honestly, I mean, you and I both run like small businesses, right?

00:04:42 ◼   ► Like we know how hard it is out there.

00:04:44 ◼   ► And these, uh, these fine people look really nice.

00:04:47 ◼   ► I got to say their Instagram page is pretty good.

00:04:50 ◼   ► Like lots of nice pictures.

00:04:52 ◼   ► People look happy.

00:04:52 ◼   ► It's, uh, it's great.

00:04:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:56 ◼   ► They posted six days ago, a family photo, the first customers of the season.

00:05:01 ◼   ► Um, they have hundreds of beautiful trees from Oregon and Washington.

00:05:05 ◼   ► So go check them out.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Uh, you know, the, the actually quite nice trees.

00:05:09 ◼   ► I should say, I would say we should all follow them on Instagram.

00:05:13 ◼   ► 175 followers is not enough.

00:05:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:17 ◼   ► You know what?

00:05:17 ◼   ► You know what?

00:05:18 ◼   ► I just clicked the follow button myself.

00:05:21 ◼   ► And they are, unfortunately the name for the Rico is not spelled, uh, like my name.

00:05:27 ◼   ► It's, it's got the extra R so it's F R at the Rico, Fred, the Rico.

00:05:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:32 ◼   ► That's how my mom says your name by the way.

00:05:34 ◼   ► Yeah, I know it's, it's how everybody in America says my name.

00:05:37 ◼   ► So it's fine.

00:05:38 ◼   ► I can't do it because I know how your name is pronounced, but Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred,

00:05:42 ◼   ► the Rico Fred, Fred, the Rico.

00:05:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:45 ◼   ► Uh, go check them out, follow them on Instagram.

00:05:47 ◼   ► And if you happen to be nearby, uh, go buy a Christmas tree.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Um, because why not?

00:05:52 ◼   ► Why not?

00:05:53 ◼   ► Listener Jason wrote in with a miracle and I just wanted to share this because we were

00:05:59 ◼   ► speaking about what products we think should be more water resistant, I think is what we

00:06:05 ◼   ► were talking about.

00:06:05 ◼   ► And Jason wrote about a year and a half ago, I was cleaning leaves out of a pool and one

00:06:11 ◼   ► of my AirPods pro fell out of my ear and into the pool.

00:06:14 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:15 ◼   ► That's not good.

00:06:15 ◼   ► They need better tips.

00:06:16 ◼   ► They need your foam tip.

00:06:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:18 ◼   ► The charging pro memory foam tips.

00:06:23 ◼   ► That's what I would recommend.

00:06:24 ◼   ► He scooped it out with a net as soon as I could, but it was submerged for at least three

00:06:29 ◼   ► to four minutes.

00:06:30 ◼   ► I guess he was looking for the net.

00:06:32 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:06:32 ◼   ► It took Jason three or four minutes to look for a net.

00:06:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:35 ◼   ► I dried it off and it worked fine.

00:06:38 ◼   ► In fact, I listened to the most recent connected episode on those same AirPods.

00:06:44 ◼   ► That's incredible.

00:06:45 ◼   ► It is.

00:06:45 ◼   ► That's incredible.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Jason.

00:06:47 ◼   ► Uh, well done to, I don't know.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Congrats.

00:06:51 ◼   ► I mean, that's surprising because I would have thought that three or four minutes submerged

00:06:56 ◼   ► in water.

00:06:57 ◼   ► I would have thought that those AirPods were done for.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Me too.

00:07:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Also, if you're cleaning leaves out of a pool, are you not using a net to do that?

00:07:07 ◼   ► Like I was thinking about the logistics of this.

00:07:11 ◼   ► Like Jason mentions they were cleaning leaves out of a pool.

00:07:15 ◼   ► And then Jason said, I scooped it out with a net as soon as I could.

00:07:21 ◼   ► So how was Jason cleaning those leaves?

00:07:25 ◼   ► With his hands?

00:07:26 ◼   ► He's just like leaning out over the pool and like pulling them to his chest with his hands.

00:07:29 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:07:29 ◼   ► I guess.

00:07:31 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:07:32 ◼   ► I don't have a pool.

00:07:33 ◼   ► I don't know how it works.

00:07:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:35 ◼   ► I have no idea.

00:07:36 ◼   ► But yeah.

00:07:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:07:39 ◼   ► Hey, Stephen, do you know if the, like, is it like a, like a myth, like a, like a urban

00:07:46 ◼   ► legend?

00:07:47 ◼   ► The thing about, like, if you drop your phone or any electronics in water, you got to put

00:07:53 ◼   ► them in a bag of rice or something.

00:07:55 ◼   ► Like, is that, is there any actual scientific truth to the rice method?

00:08:00 ◼   ► I think it, I mean, it can't hurt.

00:08:03 ◼   ► But like what happens if you, if you put your phone in a, in a bag of pasta or something?

00:08:09 ◼   ► I, so I fix it and I trust I fix it in these regards says, uh, when we put a phone in rice,

00:08:17 ◼   ► it's the same thing as doing nothing.

00:08:20 ◼   ► We're just pretty strong language.

00:08:21 ◼   ► So, okay.

00:08:24 ◼   ► I would say follow what I fix.

00:08:26 ◼   ► It says, and they basically say, uh, you want to displace the water.

00:08:30 ◼   ► Uh, but then they're like open, you know, use rubbing alcohol and a toothbrush, open

00:08:36 ◼   ► your device as soon as you can take out the battery.

00:08:38 ◼   ► So, you know, that's not as feasible.

00:08:42 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Put in rice.

00:08:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:46 ◼   ► I can't hurt, but I don't know if it's like the miracle cure.

00:08:51 ◼   ► Uh, we have some important real time follow up from the real FM, uh, historian, Kate and

00:08:57 ◼   ► Kate says for the Rico's Christmas trees first came up in episode 161 at the time y'all were

00:09:05 ◼   ► messing with each other's names in the intros and Frederico as an alternative to Federico

00:09:10 ◼   ► came up and Kyle's shared the link in the chat in response to that discussion.

00:09:15 ◼   ► There it is.

00:09:16 ◼   ► That's some incredible context.

00:09:19 ◼   ► Thank you, Kate.

00:09:20 ◼   ► There's some amazing things in the links for this episode.

00:09:23 ◼   ► Let's see episode 161.

00:09:27 ◼   ► So first off, what year are we talking about?

00:09:29 ◼   ► This is 2017.

00:09:32 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:09:32 ◼   ► We've been referring to Frederico's Christmas trees for six years.

00:09:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:09:38 ◼   ► Uh, the description of the episode is files on iOS 11 is taking shape.

00:09:45 ◼   ► It's still in some, honestly, and some problems are emerging.

00:09:48 ◼   ► That's still true.

00:09:49 ◼   ► Federico gets sad listening to the others talk about their watches then slowly disappears

00:09:55 ◼   ► as Steven talks about macOS High Sierra.

00:09:58 ◼   ► That's a pretty good description.

00:10:00 ◼   ► That's yeah.

00:10:01 ◼   ► That's good.

00:10:02 ◼   ► That's so yeah.

00:10:03 ◼   ► There's iCloud family sharing in here.

00:10:05 ◼   ► We were still raising money for St. Jude through the marathon before we were like official

00:10:10 ◼   ► partners.

00:10:10 ◼   ► What a wild time.

00:10:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:14 ◼   ► Apple watch series three.

00:10:15 ◼   ► That feels like forever ago.

00:10:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:17 ◼   ► Wow.

00:10:18 ◼   ► Okay.

00:10:19 ◼   ► Wow.

00:10:20 ◼   ► Uh, Lloyd wrote in with a question for you, Federico.

00:10:23 ◼   ► You were mentioning wanting a better case for the iPad.

00:10:26 ◼   ► Lloyd wrote, I've recently been using the Logitech combo touch and I think it solves

00:10:32 ◼   ► a lot of problems mentioned.

00:10:33 ◼   ► So just wanted to throw it out there as an option.

00:10:36 ◼   ► Have you played with this?

00:10:37 ◼   ► Uh, see the problem with the combo touch, there's actually a couple of them.

00:10:44 ◼   ► First, I don't like putting my iPad in a case like that the combo touch is the kind of like

00:10:50 ◼   ► rugged case that's all around the iPad because the thing about the iPad for me is that sometimes

00:10:55 ◼   ► I want to use it with the keyboard and other times I want to use it as a tablet.

00:10:58 ◼   ► I want to take it, take it out of the magic keyboard and just want to use it quickly as

00:11:03 ◼   ► a touch device.

00:11:04 ◼   ► And with this combo touch and with other similar cases, it becomes a whole thing where you

00:11:10 ◼   ► need to, you know, you gotta apply some pressure and take the iPad out.

00:11:15 ◼   ► And essentially you end up in the situation where you are less incentivized to use the

00:11:20 ◼   ► iPad as a tablet because it becomes a whole thing to take it out of the case and put it

00:11:24 ◼   ► back in.

00:11:24 ◼   ► And so you're just like, you know what, I'm just going to use it as a case with the case

00:11:28 ◼   ► and never take it out.

00:11:30 ◼   ► Which is why ultimately I preferred the Magic Keyboard and I was not a huge fan of the old

00:11:42 ◼   ► design of the bridge keyboards because the bridge keyboards with the, do you remember

00:11:46 ◼   ► you needed to slide the iPad into those two sort of hinges like at the bottom?

00:11:52 ◼   ► It felt bad because they had these rubber little inserts in there and if it got like

00:11:58 ◼   ► folded under you were just scraping your iPad into like a, it was bad.

00:12:02 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:12:03 ◼   ► And which is why I was very keen to try the new design of the not so bankrupt anymore

00:12:13 ◼   ► bridge max plus keyboard, which unfortunately, and this is some follow up as recent as 30

00:12:22 ◼   ► minutes ago, Steven, I unfortunately missed the delivery of that keyboard today because

00:12:27 ◼   ► I was at Ikea 30 minutes ago and OTJ was able to get, do you know this whole story?

00:12:33 ◼   ► No, I don't.

00:12:34 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:34 ◼   ► So a reader on Mastodon got in touch with me saying, Hey, did you know that like the

00:12:40 ◼   ► key, the bridge keyboard you mentioned, the one with the new design is like on sale on

00:12:45 ◼   ► clearance on Best Buy for like 50 bucks in the US.

00:12:50 ◼   ► I was like, wait, that can't be true.

00:12:51 ◼   ► And I sent a link to John.

00:12:53 ◼   ► I was like, John, can you confirm that you can get this on clearance for 50 bucks?

00:12:56 ◼   ► And he's like, yeah, it's like $49.

00:12:58 ◼   ► And so he got, he got one for me and shipped it to me.

00:13:03 ◼   ► In fact, I paid more for the shipment than the keyboard itself.

00:13:06 ◼   ► But, but, uh, uh, the new doorman, uh, you know, we, we, you know, we don't have Mario

00:13:14 ◼   ► anymore.

00:13:15 ◼   ► Did I tell you we don't have Mario the doorman anymore?

00:13:18 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:13:18 ◼   ► Retired?

00:13:20 ◼   ► And he was, it was, uh, it was let go.

00:13:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:26 ◼   ► Anyway, we have Giovanni now.

00:13:28 ◼   ► So we're going from, from stereotypical Italian name to stereotypical Italian name.

00:13:35 ◼   ► Anyway, Giovanni was not here today.

00:13:37 ◼   ► And so I missed the delivery of the keyboard.

00:13:38 ◼   ► I'll get it tomorrow.

00:13:39 ◼   ► But anyway, all this to say that keyboard, I am very intrigued because it's got the same

00:13:45 ◼   ► idea of the magic keyboard.

00:13:47 ◼   ► It's got a flat sort of back where you just snap the iPad and it doesn't go around the

00:13:54 ◼   ► edges of the tablet.

00:13:55 ◼   ► So that bridge keyboard should be as easy to take your iPad out and put it back on as

00:14:02 ◼   ► the magic keyboard.

00:14:03 ◼   ► This combo touch, it's got that.

00:14:06 ◼   ► The first problem is the case.

00:14:07 ◼   ► And the second is that kickstand in the back.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Now, you know me, I like kickstands, but I think right now, um, I am more looking for

00:14:19 ◼   ► a tie, a really like laptop like setup for my iPad pro.

00:14:25 ◼   ► Where like, I don't need the extra support on my knees, on my legs to prop up the iPad.

00:14:32 ◼   ► So either the magic keyboard or the bridge keyboard, like a proper laptop mechanism.

00:14:39 ◼   ► I think that's what I'm looking for at the moment.

00:14:40 ◼   ► There also, I also did something else.

00:14:45 ◼   ► Speaking of keyboard, Steven.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Now this may be a bad idea, but you know me, I got to do it for science.

00:14:54 ◼   ► I am waiting for delivery.

00:14:58 ◼   ► So, okay, so don't judge me.

00:15:02 ◼   ► All right.

00:15:02 ◼   ► Promise you won't judge me?

00:15:04 ◼   ► No judgment.

00:15:04 ◼   ► Okay.

00:15:06 ◼   ► So I saw this Instagram ad for an unknown brand of iPad keyboards.

00:15:13 ◼   ► Unknown to you or like, this is one of those brands no one's heard of.

00:15:19 ◼   ► All right.

00:15:19 ◼   ► So have you ever heard of Dokomidi?

00:15:22 ◼   ► Nope.

00:15:23 ◼   ► Okay, so there you go.

00:15:24 ◼   ► So, but here's the thing.

00:15:27 ◼   ► So I see this Instagram ad for this iPad keyboard, and I'm going to send you a link.

00:15:32 ◼   ► This is all the collection of iPad cases that they make.

00:15:35 ◼   ► Look at this thing that I got.

00:15:41 ◼   ► So, and I'm posting this link in Discord.

00:15:44 ◼   ► Look at this other one.

00:15:45 ◼   ► Not the one with the swivel mechanism, the other one.

00:15:48 ◼   ► That's essentially what if the Apple magic keyboard was mixed with the bridge keyboard?

00:15:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:56 ◼   ► Which is pretty much what the rumors are saying in terms of what Apple is working on for next year.

00:16:01 ◼   ► Like this is a magic keyboard with a fancy floating design, a magnetic attachment,

00:16:08 ◼   ► but a proper keyboard that is backlit.

00:16:12 ◼   ► And look in the back as is also a USB hub with ports.

00:16:19 ◼   ► So this has USB-C, I guess for power, HDMI, two USB-A, SD card and micro SD or mini SD, whatever it is.

00:16:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:31 ◼   ► So, now.

00:16:33 ◼   ► This is sick.

00:16:33 ◼   ► Okay.

00:16:35 ◼   ► And they mentioned now the trackpad is responsive.

00:16:38 ◼   ► Dude, you can put the iPad in vertically.

00:16:40 ◼   ► Exactly, exactly.

00:16:42 ◼   ► The only compromise, of course, is you gotta run the short USB-C cable from the iPad to the keyboard,

00:16:50 ◼   ► because otherwise you're not gonna be able to use the hub.

00:16:53 ◼   ► Right.

00:16:53 ◼   ► That's no big deal.

00:16:54 ◼   ► Now, is this too good to be true?

00:16:58 ◼   ► I guess we'll find out together.

00:17:01 ◼   ► Oh, no!

00:17:01 ◼   ► Because I am waiting...

00:17:05 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:17:06 ◼   ► They're using this Chinese Express delivery service that I never heard of before.

00:17:11 ◼   ► So, we'll see.

00:17:12 ◼   ► It's moving.

00:17:13 ◼   ► The package is moving.

00:17:14 ◼   ► That's good.

00:17:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:16 ◼   ► So, I mean, this looks really good.

00:17:20 ◼   ► And hopefully, hopefully the trackpad won't be terrible, I guess.

00:17:26 ◼   ► The renders don't fill me with a ton of confidence.

00:17:30 ◼   ► Me neither.

00:17:31 ◼   ► Just look at how the iPad changes in between these pictures.

00:17:34 ◼   ► I know, I know.

00:17:36 ◼   ► But...

00:17:37 ◼   ► But maybe.

00:17:37 ◼   ► But maybe.

00:17:38 ◼   ► You know, sometimes, sometimes I've realized in recent years that there are so many relatively unknown to us,

00:17:52 ◼   ► Chinese brands and accessory makers that are actually making really cool products.

00:17:59 ◼   ► And maybe this is one of them, or maybe not.

00:18:03 ◼   ► Because at the end of the day, it's still Bluetooth.

00:18:07 ◼   ► I think they mentioned they're using Bluetooth 5.

00:18:09 ◼   ► So at least there's hope, some hope there.

00:18:11 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:18:13 ◼   ► But yeah, I'm waiting for the Dokomidi iPad keyboard.

00:18:19 ◼   ► Let us know.

00:18:19 ◼   ► Yeah, let us know.

00:18:21 ◼   ► Having the hub built in is a super interesting idea.

00:18:25 ◼   ► I know that there was like that...

00:18:26 ◼   ► Over the years, there have been hubs and there was like that weird stand from Belkin?

00:18:32 ◼   ► Or Logitech?

00:18:33 ◼   ► You know what I'm talking about?

00:18:34 ◼   ► It was like a big vertical stand and it had a bunch of ports on the back.

00:18:37 ◼   ► But having it built into the keyboard case, this turns the iPad into a laptop.

00:18:43 ◼   ► Really.

00:18:43 ◼   ► Fascinating.

00:18:45 ◼   ► Yeah, and I really hope that Apple eventually does something like this.

00:18:49 ◼   ► Because I mean, if you're making the keyboard thicker, and this is why I mentioned this a few weeks ago.

00:18:55 ◼   ► You can keep making the simple Magic Keyboard.

00:18:59 ◼   ► Make a Magic Keyboard Pro that is more expensive.

00:19:03 ◼   ► Like I will...

00:19:04 ◼   ► I'm gonna say something potentially controversial.

00:19:06 ◼   ► I would give Apple $400 for a Magic Keyboard Pro that is this product, but better and done by Apple.

00:19:15 ◼   ► You know, because I mean, I'm already spending $250 for the Magic Keyboard, right?

00:19:19 ◼   ► I don't want to say that I would spend $500, but I would definitely spend more to have a Magic Keyboard Pro.

00:19:27 ◼   ► That is really integrated with iPadOS.

00:19:30 ◼   ► As I mean, the trackpads that Apple makes are always going to be the best ones.

00:19:36 ◼   ► I don't know, we'll see.

00:19:38 ◼   ► There's something else that I wanted to mention while we're on the topic of keyboards and trackpads.

00:19:43 ◼   ► I was also sent this by a couple people.

00:19:46 ◼   ► And I have no idea if this product is shipping or not.

00:19:51 ◼   ► My understanding is that it's only available in the UK right now.

00:19:54 ◼   ► So Logitech came out with this, they call a pop-up desk system.

00:20:00 ◼   ► It's called the Logitech Casa pop-up desk.

00:20:05 ◼   ► Now Casa means home in Italian, in case you're not familiar.

00:20:08 ◼   ► So this is like, it looks like a little...

00:20:12 ◼   ► It's like a lunchbox for your tech accessories.

00:20:15 ◼   ► So it's a little like plastic trays that opens up and inside it's got a keyboard.

00:20:23 ◼   ► A trackpad and the case itself becomes sort of like a prop-up thing for your laptop.

00:20:30 ◼   ► Now, it's not every day that you come across a Bluetooth trackpad.

00:20:37 ◼   ► And Logitech claims that this trackpad works with MacOS and iPadOS.

00:20:42 ◼   ► Now if anybody has gotten their hands on this,

00:20:47 ◼   ► I would love to know how that trackpad specifically works on Apple platforms.

00:20:54 ◼   ► Does it support multi-touch gestures, for example?

00:20:56 ◼   ► Because I mean, it looks like a smaller magic trackpad to me.

00:21:02 ◼   ► I don't know, I'm really intrigued by this.

00:21:05 ◼   ► Now I don't want to buy the whole thing.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Like I don't want to buy the case and the keyboard and the full kit.

00:21:13 ◼   ► It's a whole system.

00:21:15 ◼   ► I just want to know about the trackpad.

00:21:17 ◼   ► So if any listener has a Logitech Casa pop-up desk system,

00:21:22 ◼   ► let me know how the trackpad is.

00:21:24 ◼   ► It is cool that it all folds down to its own thing though.

00:21:28 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:21:29 ◼   ► Huh.

00:21:30 ◼   ► You just get your laptop, get your Casa kit and just work from anywhere, I guess.

00:21:38 ◼   ► But it's only in the UK.

00:21:40 ◼   ► I don't know what they're doing.

00:21:41 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:21:42 ◼   ► You need big buddy Hurley to mail it to you.

00:21:44 ◼   ► I want to talk about RCS briefly,

00:21:49 ◼   ► because Apple announced this is going to be coming to the iPhone in the future.

00:21:54 ◼   ► That's old news at this point, but we had a listener right Ed

00:21:59 ◼   ► wondering what you thought this would mean for WhatsApp.

00:22:03 ◼   ► WhatsApp, of course, is not as big here as it is the rest of the world.

00:22:07 ◼   ► So I'd love your input on if there's any...

00:22:10 ◼   ► Is this going to change anything basically in that market?

00:22:14 ◼   ► I am very skeptical that anything is going to change.

00:22:19 ◼   ► In fact, not only do people here just want to use WhatsApp

00:22:24 ◼   ► and it's become the default communication system with anybody of any age group,

00:22:30 ◼   ► but over the past few years, and especially since the pandemic began,

00:22:35 ◼   ► I've noticed that the number of businesses using WhatsApp has increased.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Like it's become so common to use WhatsApp for personal communication,

00:22:50 ◼   ► group communication.

00:22:51 ◼   ► And for example, my doctor, I can text him on WhatsApp and get documents via WhatsApp.

00:23:00 ◼   ► I can book appointments with my dermatologist on WhatsApp.

00:23:04 ◼   ► I don't want to say it's as entrenched in our lives as something like WeChat in China, for example,

00:23:12 ◼   ► but it's obviously they...

00:23:15 ◼   ► Meta would love to have some of that business, right?

00:23:18 ◼   ► Where everything you're doing happens without WhatsApp.

00:23:21 ◼   ► I don't think at this time, even if the messages app on your phone got better,

00:23:28 ◼   ► I don't think anybody would be incentivized to switch from WhatsApp to messages or SMS or RCS,

00:23:37 ◼   ► in that case.

00:23:39 ◼   ► I'm lumping them all together because they end up in the same messages app.

00:23:43 ◼   ► I don't think anybody will be incentivized to make the switch

00:23:47 ◼   ► because even though the technology may be better,

00:23:50 ◼   ► it's still missing the key component, which is the social graph.

00:23:55 ◼   ► If everybody you know is using WhatsApp and everybody's there, why would you switch?

00:24:01 ◼   ► Most people don't have the technological curiosity that we have.

00:24:08 ◼   ► Like I'm going to try RCS because it's my job and I'm curious

00:24:12 ◼   ► and it's like more of a principle thing that it's now available.

00:24:17 ◼   ► But why would I do it?

00:24:18 ◼   ► Why would I do it if all my friends and neighbors and relatives and my doctor and my, you know,

00:24:25 ◼   ► my hair salon is on WhatsApp, right?

00:24:30 ◼   ► My video game store guy tells me stuff on WhatsApp

00:24:37 ◼   ► and I can make reservations for it.

00:24:39 ◼   ► Like I pre-ordered my PS5 Slim via WhatsApp.

00:24:45 ◼   ► Like why would I use something else?

00:24:47 ◼   ► Yeah, it's really hard to break that sort of hold on a market no matter what the market is.

00:24:52 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:24:54 ◼   ► So I think it'll be, look, it'll be convenient, right?

00:24:59 ◼   ► When you get the occasional text from somebody who's like,

00:25:04 ◼   ► "I'm not sure if I can text them on WhatsApp."

00:25:10 ◼   ► Because I noticed that that's also a social behavior that has changed.

00:25:15 ◼   ► Like until a few years ago, say seven years ago, eight years ago,

00:25:18 ◼   ► you wouldn't sort of cold message somebody that was not in your address book on WhatsApp.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Because that felt like more like, "We're not close friends, right?

00:25:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna send you an SMS instead."

00:25:35 ◼   ► A little more sort of distant.

00:25:38 ◼   ► WhatsApp was for your close friends.

00:25:40 ◼   ► But now like sometimes I get texts from people on WhatsApp,

00:25:43 ◼   ► be like, "Hey, I'm such and such person."

00:25:45 ◼   ► And you know, for any kind of request.

00:25:48 ◼   ► Now anybody just starts their first communication via WhatsApp.

00:25:52 ◼   ► And it's fine.

00:25:55 ◼   ► So that social barrier is not there anymore.

00:25:59 ◼   ► Plus all the tools that they have launched.

00:26:02 ◼   ► Look, I don't love WhatsApp as an experience, as an app.

00:26:08 ◼   ► But what I like is that everybody I know is on it.

00:26:12 ◼   ► And so, you know, groups, you can do polls.

00:26:17 ◼   ► Sometimes with our friends we do polls for like picking a day to go out for dinner.

00:26:21 ◼   ► That's something people in their 30s do, I realized.

00:26:26 ◼   ► You know, you can mute people, you can archive conversation, see?

00:26:29 ◼   ► It's pretty good.

00:26:31 ◼   ► And everybody's using it, so why would you switch?

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00:28:23 ◼   ► I couldn't help but notice that y'all have a new feature over on a Mac Stories.

00:28:30 ◼   ► You have a very fancy setup page where you and John

00:28:34 ◼   ► tap pictures of your desks and what you're using.

00:28:37 ◼   ► How did this come about and how in the world are you going to keep it updated?

00:28:42 ◼   ► Yeah, so the second, to answer your second question,

00:28:47 ◼   ► unless there are some major changes in the setup, I think our goal is to update this.

00:28:53 ◼   ► John and I discussed twice a year.

00:28:56 ◼   ► To sort of coincide with the typical time when we update and optimize our setups.

00:29:04 ◼   ► That's before WWDC, the famous spring cleaning.

00:29:08 ◼   ► And after review season.

00:29:13 ◼   ► That's really when we have the time again to think about our setups.

00:29:19 ◼   ► So I think the goal is to do it twice a year.

00:29:21 ◼   ► Unless, like in two months, I lose my mind and I stop using the iPad Pro and I switch to Linux,

00:29:28 ◼   ► then I will update my setup.

00:29:32 ◼   ► I mean, you did switch to Windows secretly for a while.

00:29:35 ◼   ► Yes.

00:29:36 ◼   ► I'm just putting that out there.

00:29:38 ◼   ► You know, you said like, "Oh, that would never happen."

00:29:40 ◼   ► It's like, "Dude, dude, dude."

00:29:44 ◼   ► I guess.

00:29:44 ◼   ► And your first question.

00:29:47 ◼   ► So I was inspired.

00:29:50 ◼   ► So a few weeks ago, I started noticing that on Mastodon, a bunch of people were sharing

00:29:58 ◼   ► their default apps.

00:30:00 ◼   ► This is something that began on a podcast, I believe, called Hemispheric Views, I want to say.

00:30:10 ◼   ► Yes.

00:30:11 ◼   ► This is not a show I was familiar with before.

00:30:14 ◼   ► And I've actually added it to my list since.

00:30:18 ◼   ► So I did this episode about like picking your default apps and they have a point system.

00:30:25 ◼   ► And after that episode, a bunch of people started sharing sort of as a follow up to the show,

00:30:29 ◼   ► their default apps.

00:30:31 ◼   ► And so I noticed that trend and I thought, "That's an interesting idea."

00:30:33 ◼   ► Sort of like sharing a permanent list of the software you're using.

00:30:41 ◼   ► And I thought, "Maybe we should do something similar on Mac Stories."

00:30:44 ◼   ► But I sat on it for a couple of weeks and I started thinking, you know, this idea actually

00:30:51 ◼   ► could be something a little broader, a little more fleshed out in the sense that people

00:30:58 ◼   ► often ask us, "Hey, what's the microphone you mentioned that you're using?"

00:31:03 ◼   ► Or like, "Hey, what's that HDMI adapter that you mentioned unconnected?"

00:31:09 ◼   ► Like people ask me these sorts of questions every time, like every week.

00:31:12 ◼   ► And I thought, you know, what if there was a page where people could go to like this

00:31:17 ◼   ► idea of the default apps, but what if the idea was default apps and default hardware?

00:31:22 ◼   ► And so I realized, well, that's a setup page.

00:31:25 ◼   ► We are describing our setups.

00:31:27 ◼   ► And so that's how it came together.

00:31:30 ◼   ► Sort of like as a way for people to have a single place where they can go and see what's

00:31:36 ◼   ► the weird cable that Federico is using or how many controllers does John have?

00:31:40 ◼   ► Too many is the answer.

00:31:42 ◼   ► But yeah, that was the idea.

00:31:43 ◼   ► Yeah, and this has expanded, just going back to the app defaults on Hemispheric Views.

00:31:49 ◼   ► Rob Knight has a page on their website of two, it's now currently 212 blog posts from

00:31:57 ◼   ► people doing this, which is so, so cool.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Yeah, it's very cool to see this old school blogging come together for the same thing.

00:32:10 ◼   ► I love it.

00:32:11 ◼   ► And every single website, of course, has an RSS feed, which is a beautiful site, obviously.

00:32:17 ◼   ► As it should be.

00:32:18 ◼   ► You do have a similar page, Steven.

00:32:21 ◼   ► I do, yeah.

00:32:22 ◼   ► So five fill pixels dot net slash gear, and it's not as well organized as yours, but it's

00:32:28 ◼   ► basically the same thing.

00:32:29 ◼   ► It's like, this is my desk.

00:32:31 ◼   ► This is my computer.

00:32:32 ◼   ► This is some key software.

00:32:34 ◼   ► This is how I record podcasts.

00:32:36 ◼   ► It started as a page of like, what podcast gear should I buy?

00:32:40 ◼   ► And I had like what I use and then what everyone else should buy because, you know, I've been

00:32:43 ◼   ► doing this 10 years.

00:32:44 ◼   ► I've built up my gear over time, but I've expanded it kind of slowly.

00:32:48 ◼   ► And I do basically the same thing you do.

00:32:51 ◼   ► Like I have a recurring thing, I think every six months.

00:32:54 ◼   ► So it's like, just skim this and see if it's woefully out of date and I'll go in and tinker

00:33:00 ◼   ► with it.

00:33:00 ◼   ► But it is a fun project to have.

00:33:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:06 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:33:06 ◼   ► I can tell you that there are already some changes on my end.

00:33:09 ◼   ► Very minimal.

00:33:10 ◼   ► But yeah, we'll see how to keep it updated.

00:33:15 ◼   ► Maybe there should be.

00:33:17 ◼   ► I was actually thinking like, you know, what would be cool is to have a change log for

00:33:23 ◼   ► this page.

00:33:24 ◼   ► That would be cool.

00:33:24 ◼   ► Like on this day, this is something that I believe, and this is why something I love

00:33:31 ◼   ► about my job is when you get creative and you can sort of get your inspiration from

00:33:42 ◼   ► different sources, right?

00:33:44 ◼   ► You can be influenced by different fields.

00:33:47 ◼   ► And so like this idea came from a podcast.

00:33:50 ◼   ► But then I was thinking like Kotaku, the video game website, they have every year, they do

00:33:57 ◼   ► a running list of the best games of the year, parenthesis, so far.

00:34:02 ◼   ► And throughout the year, they update the list.

00:34:05 ◼   ► And in that list, there's a change log that says, I don't know, May 2023, removed, I don't

00:34:13 ◼   ► know, God of War and replaced with Zelda.

00:34:16 ◼   ► And like, that's a pretty cool idea, you know, but to apply it for Mac stories and for tech,

00:34:22 ◼   ► like, I don't know, December 2023, I replaced these, you know, keyboard with something else.

00:34:30 ◼   ► Like to keep a log over time would be interesting, I think.

00:34:34 ◼   ► Very cool.

00:34:36 ◼   ► I did that when I had my Mac Pro.

00:34:39 ◼   ► I just had just a page on 512 where I would go through and when I would do something with

00:34:45 ◼   ► it or change something in the setup, I would just have a little addition to the page.

00:34:50 ◼   ► And it is fun to do these sort of long term projects.

00:34:54 ◼   ► I enjoy them.

00:34:56 ◼   ► Blogging, it's not dead.

00:34:59 ◼   ► Still very much alive.

00:35:03 ◼   ► I want to wrap up today talking a little bit about some of Apple's content businesses,

00:35:10 ◼   ► because they've had this big push over the last couple of days about the year in X.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Right.

00:35:16 ◼   ► So the year in podcasts.

00:35:18 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:35:18 ◼   ► Apple Books got a new year in review feature, which I think is actually pretty interesting.

00:35:23 ◼   ► So I should try mine.

00:35:24 ◼   ► I've read zero books.

00:35:25 ◼   ► So you can go into Apple Books and not only do they have like, this was the most popular

00:35:32 ◼   ► stuff for the year, but also personalized highlights and like insights and what you

00:35:37 ◼   ► read.

00:35:38 ◼   ► So I guess for you, Federico in particular, maybe not so interesting, but I think it's

00:35:43 ◼   ► cool they added that to Apple Books.

00:35:45 ◼   ► That's a very natural extension of this idea, I think.

00:35:48 ◼   ► And if you read an Apple Books like, yeah, why not?

00:35:53 ◼   ► But the one I want to talk to you about particular was Apple Music Replay, because this is back.

00:36:01 ◼   ► It's still on the web.

00:36:03 ◼   ► You have to go to what is it?

00:36:04 ◼   ► Replay dot replay dot music dot apple dot com, which doesn't even sound like a real

00:36:11 ◼   ► domain.

00:36:12 ◼   ► Yeah, it sounds like it's it sounds like a phishing domain.

00:36:15 ◼   ► It does.

00:36:16 ◼   ► And then you have to sign in with your Apple ID, which is like not always the easiest thing

00:36:20 ◼   ► to do on the web.

00:36:21 ◼   ► Why is this still on the web?

00:36:24 ◼   ► Like, I know they've made some changes to it, but why is this not in the music app?

00:36:29 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:36:30 ◼   ► And I can tell you that when I saw when I saw the the news yesterday, I clicked the

00:36:37 ◼   ► link in in an article that I found.

00:36:39 ◼   ► And of course, thanks to the weirdness of universal links, it took me to the music app.

00:36:46 ◼   ► When I click that replay the music, the apple.com URL, it took me to the native music app, but

00:36:54 ◼   ► into an error page because the music app didn't know what to do with that replay URL.

00:37:00 ◼   ► So I had to go manually in Safari and do the thing.

00:37:03 ◼   ► I don't know what they're doing on the web.

00:37:05 ◼   ► The problem is.

00:37:07 ◼   ► I I think they're still in that phase where they want to try and be as hip and creative

00:37:19 ◼   ► as Spotify with this feature, but they just aren't.

00:37:23 ◼   ► And I just saw today the Spotify wrapped.

00:37:27 ◼   ► Launched today.

00:37:29 ◼   ► And now they're doing the thing where I believe what's a new thing?

00:37:33 ◼   ► What's a new gimmick this year?

00:37:34 ◼   ► They assign you like a musical town or whatever.

00:37:38 ◼   ► A sound town based on the sound town.

00:37:44 ◼   ► So every year, I mean, that's already funny just just to say it.

00:37:48 ◼   ► Spotify really knows how to capture sort of the cultural zeitgeist, even just for two

00:37:55 ◼   ► days with this feature.

00:37:57 ◼   ► And Apple's let alone the fact that it's like you got to go to a website, which is like,

00:38:01 ◼   ► you know, what am I?

00:38:02 ◼   ► My dad going to a website to get a report for my music.

00:38:07 ◼   ► But it's just it's kind of bland and just uninspired, you know, it's like and I go in

00:38:15 ◼   ► there and brief aside, Steven, once again, that cap for Cutie is my top listen artist.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Yeah, there's a reason and there's a reason and this won't be the case next year.

00:38:30 ◼   ► So I wouldn't I wouldn't say every night of a typical week, but maybe three nights a week,

00:38:39 ◼   ► three or four nights a week.

00:38:40 ◼   ► I like to fall asleep listening to either plans by that cup for Cutie, transatlanticism

00:38:48 ◼   ► or narrow stairs.

00:38:50 ◼   ► I love it.

00:38:51 ◼   ► I just like to put on, you know, let me tell you, a big big canyon bridge while you're

00:38:58 ◼   ► in bed.

00:38:58 ◼   ► Top choice, really.

00:39:00 ◼   ► It's not a very like sleepy song that bridge.

00:39:03 ◼   ► No, but but it's got an atmosphere.

00:39:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I like to listen to one of these three albums and that has completely skewed my Apple

00:39:13 ◼   ► music report toward that cup for Cutie.

00:39:17 ◼   ► It looks like, hey, look at this guy really loved listening to plans and transatlanticism

00:39:22 ◼   ► in twenty twenty three.

00:39:23 ◼   ► This won't be a problem next year because in seventeen point two, which is not out yet

00:39:30 ◼   ► in iOS seventeen point two, you will be able to make a filter that says when I'm in this

00:39:36 ◼   ► focus mode, don't gather my music activity.

00:39:40 ◼   ► That's smart.

00:39:42 ◼   ► What I will do is as soon as the sleep focus comes on, do not collect my music listening

00:39:50 ◼   ► habits because it means I will be listening to that cup for Cutie or other people may

00:39:54 ◼   ► be listening to white noise playlists.

00:39:56 ◼   ► That's the idea.

00:39:57 ◼   ► So I think they're doing it on the web because my my idea is that.

00:40:03 ◼   ► I don't know, Apple is focused on other things.

00:40:07 ◼   ► Would be would be my explanation here.

00:40:11 ◼   ► They're focused on lyrics, on having a better than Spotify native experience, and maybe

00:40:19 ◼   ► they just don't have they just don't have a big enough team to take care of this stuff.

00:40:25 ◼   ► Like you go to this page and call my top artists or that cup for Cutie, the main and Blink

00:40:30 ◼   ► one eighty two.

00:40:31 ◼   ► I listen to a lot of plans.

00:40:33 ◼   ► I listen to the main and Boy Genius and my top genre is alternative and indie rock.

00:40:38 ◼   ► That's pretty much it.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Like.

00:40:41 ◼   ► It doesn't it doesn't have it doesn't have a lot of personality, you know, and if you

00:40:47 ◼   ► want and actually I believe that John just published these on MaxTories today.

00:40:54 ◼   ► He did.

00:40:54 ◼   ► If you want this kind of more, let's call it objective sort of report.

00:41:01 ◼   ► And if you are this kind of music person, like I want to know stats about myself.

00:41:06 ◼   ► Right.

00:41:07 ◼   ► That's a legitimate thing to do.

00:41:09 ◼   ► But if you want to have this for music and you are really into music, just use last of

00:41:15 ◼   ► them.

00:41:15 ◼   ► You know, the last of them report, which you get monthly and you get a big one at the end

00:41:21 ◼   ► of the year.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Those are so much better and have a lot more data than these Apple ones.

00:41:26 ◼   ► These Apple ones are this hybrid of like we're trying to be hip, but also just give you the

00:41:32 ◼   ► numbers.

00:41:33 ◼   ► And in the meantime, they're like.

00:41:34 ◼   ► What would you say in English?

00:41:37 ◼   ► They're neither fish nor fowl.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Is that an expression?

00:41:41 ◼   ► Yeah, they're that they're that in my opinion, they're just there, right?

00:41:44 ◼   ► It's not they're just there.

00:41:46 ◼   ► They're just doing something, but they're not as full featured as last of them and they're

00:41:51 ◼   ► not as fun as Spotify.

00:41:53 ◼   ► They are in the middle.

00:41:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:56 ◼   ► Honestly, I think the Apple books one is more interesting than music because one thing they

00:42:00 ◼   ► did is like the type of reader you are.

00:42:03 ◼   ► It's like I'm a completionist.

00:42:04 ◼   ► I'm this or that.

00:42:05 ◼   ► And the artwork is really good.

00:42:07 ◼   ► Like, yes, I would like to see more of that approach in Apple Music next year.

00:42:11 ◼   ► Yeah, you give it some love.

00:42:14 ◼   ► Give it some personality.

00:42:15 ◼   ► Do something.

00:42:16 ◼   ► Hey, you're you know, I wouldn't mind Apple telling me you are a sad emo person.

00:42:21 ◼   ► Yeah, give me that.

00:42:22 ◼   ► You know, I deserve it.

00:42:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I deserve it.

00:42:25 ◼   ► We'll get like a true emo.

00:42:26 ◼   ► Yes, you're right.

00:42:29 ◼   ► Apple.

00:42:30 ◼   ► You're right.

00:42:30 ◼   ► Apple Music.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Hopefully they'll do something more fun next year.

00:42:34 ◼   ► But in the meantime, Spotify wrapped is out there doing its thing like, you know, I'm

00:42:39 ◼   ► looking at the screenshots now and like Spotify can tell you your your sound town is Mexico

00:42:46 ◼   ► City or, you know, now they give you they give you these sort of these characters in

00:42:53 ◼   ► Spotify wrapped like it says me in 2023, Luminary or Shapeshifter or Time Traveler like and

00:43:01 ◼   ► it's got fancy artwork.

00:43:03 ◼   ► Some of this looks AI generated, I should say, but maybe I'm wrong.

00:43:08 ◼   ► Don't look at the hands.

00:43:10 ◼   ► Don't look at the hands.

00:43:11 ◼   ► But at least it's fun and colorful.

00:43:15 ◼   ► And, you know, and speaking of these end of the year features, I want to give a shout

00:43:20 ◼   ► out to Pocket Casts.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Pocket Casts came out as of a couple of days ago with their best of like your year in podcasts.

00:43:30 ◼   ► And it's really good, for example, scrolling through mine.

00:43:35 ◼   ► You know what my what my most listened show of 2023 was, Stephen?

00:43:39 ◼   ► Mac power users.

00:43:42 ◼   ► No, I'm sorry.

00:43:44 ◼   ► It was Upgrade Plus with 33 episodes for a total of two days and two hours.

00:43:51 ◼   ► Second spot, The Besties, third place, TripleClick.

00:43:56 ◼   ► Excellent video games podcasts.

00:43:59 ◼   ► Number four, More Text and number five, Into the Aether, another excellent video game show.

00:44:04 ◼   ► And yeah, I mean, why is there no end of the year report for Apple podcast?

00:44:10 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:44:11 ◼   ► But my take is if they want to do these features at the end of the year, and they should because

00:44:15 ◼   ► they're fun and they're like put a nice bow at the end of the year for your digital life,

00:44:20 ◼   ► they should do it.

00:44:21 ◼   ► But if you do it, make it fun, make it colorful and make it informative.

00:44:25 ◼   ► Right now, they're just kind of, you know, the dead version of whatever Spotify is doing.

00:44:31 ◼   ► Spice it up.

00:44:33 ◼   ► That's what we're saying.

00:44:34 ◼   ► Make it weird.

00:44:35 ◼   ► I think the weirder the better for these.

00:44:37 ◼   ► Make it weird.

00:44:37 ◼   ► I'll always, exactly like we'll always be on this program.

00:44:41 ◼   ► We'll always be in favor of Apple making it weird.

00:44:43 ◼   ► Like do it, you know, I have a little dance in Tim Cook when you open the page, whatever,

00:44:49 ◼   ► you know.

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