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00:00:36   number 256 july 2015 [TS]

00:00:42   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:44   incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:46   L every year for the last few years we [TS]

00:00:49   have looked at the nominees for the hugo [TS]

00:00:52   words which has long been one of the [TS]

00:00:55   finest awards in the world of science [TS]

00:00:58   fiction a little less so lately a little [TS]

00:01:01   less so since we started reading all the [TS]

00:01:02   nominees if I gotta be honest but i [TS]

00:01:05   always loved the Hugo's and I always [TS]

00:01:06   loved reading it makes a good reading [TS]

00:01:08   list to check out especially the novels [TS]

00:01:10   in the hugo award category and so we're [TS]

00:01:14   going to continue our tradition by [TS]

00:01:16   talking about hugo nominees in this [TS]

00:01:18   episode before the hugo nominees are [TS]

00:01:20   given out at Sasquatch on in spokane in [TS]

00:01:23   August which i should mention by the way [TS]

00:01:24   many members of the incomparable will be [TS]

00:01:27   appearing at that convention and [TS]

00:01:29   performing the incomparable radio [TS]

00:01:30   theatre and probably will be recording a [TS]

00:01:32   special episode then too so we will be a [TS]

00:01:35   part of the magic joining me to talk [TS]

00:01:37   about the hugo words it first i would [TS]

00:01:40   like to introduce a one-time Hugo [TS]

00:01:42   nominee for her podcast charity it's [TS]

00:01:44   erica and sign hello [TS]

00:01:46   for a second i was really excited i was [TS]

00:01:48   like oh my god who did you get as a [TS]

00:01:49   guest and everybody's talking about me [TS]

00:01:52   it's you don't get too excited you can [TS]

00:01:55   do you spend a lot of time with this [TS]

00:01:57   this person so yeah you know all of all [TS]

00:02:00   of it pretty much all of it i am also [TS]

00:02:03   out there David lower who I don't have [TS]

00:02:05   you have you done this [TS]

00:02:06   have you done this you go thing before [TS]

00:02:08   yeah i was i was online last year [TS]

00:02:10   alright because they did the retro [TS]

00:02:11   Hugo's and oh yeah you and Monty did a [TS]

00:02:14   lot of retro you going I yes good times [TS]

00:02:16   good times [TS]

00:02:17   and of course I wouldn't talk about [TS]

00:02:18   things that are written without Scott [TS]

00:02:20   McNulty hi scott i am once again [TS]

00:02:23   disappointed in the hugo so keeping up [TS]

00:02:25   the tradition [TS]

00:02:26   well you know they didn't there was no [TS]

00:02:28   no parasite booktube i'm eric grant was [TS]

00:02:31   not nominated so we got we didn't didn't [TS]

00:02:33   have to read any me regret this year [TS]

00:02:34   Scott that's true we did have to read [TS]

00:02:36   well I read well we'll just [TS]

00:02:38   hey ya mean some of us started that and [TS]

00:02:41   didn't finish it [TS]

00:02:42   alright well it's we should we should [TS]

00:02:43   start we should start there [TS]

00:02:45   we should start with the novel's i [TS]

00:02:46   guess.i guess even before we started [TS]

00:02:48   there though we should probably mention [TS]

00:02:49   Hugo's this year very controversial last [TS]

00:02:52   the last few years what has been clear [TS]

00:02:54   to any anybody who is saved on a podcast [TS]

00:02:57   about the Hugo's is that there's a [TS]

00:03:00   there's been a really a real hole in the [TS]

00:03:02   process which is the nomination process [TS]

00:03:05   where it's fairly easy to get a [TS]

00:03:08   nomination if you have a a bunch of [TS]

00:03:11   like-minded people who are voting [TS]

00:03:12   specifically to get some stuff on the [TS]

00:03:14   ballot the nominations are very small [TS]

00:03:17   and and you end up with a small number [TS]

00:03:21   can get you on the ballot and we've seen [TS]

00:03:23   that not just with a sort of organized [TS]

00:03:26   political stuff which we've seen the [TS]

00:03:27   last few years with the sad puppies and [TS]

00:03:30   rabbit puppies campaign which have [TS]

00:03:31   largely filled out the short fiction [TS]

00:03:32   fiction ballot this year but even just [TS]

00:03:35   in phantom I've heard a lot of people [TS]

00:03:37   who are not doctor who fans i know [TS]

00:03:38   that's a crazy idea Erica who would be [TS]

00:03:40   so awful as to not be a doctor who fan [TS]

00:03:42   shaking head complain about all the [TS]

00:03:44   doctor who episodes that have gotten and [TS]

00:03:47   got nominated and then have one of the [TS]

00:03:49   street that has kind of come to an end [TS]

00:03:52   the last couple of years but there's [TS]

00:03:53   appeared there were every almost [TS]

00:03:54   everything was Doctor Who and certainly [TS]

00:03:56   I mentioned the the works of mirror [TS]

00:03:58   grant the case where there's a committed [TS]

00:04:00   fan base was very excited and votes and [TS]

00:04:03   really likes a particular author and and [TS]

00:04:07   so good for them they do that but it [TS]

00:04:09   this year what what has happened is that [TS]

00:04:12   a lot of the categories have been [TS]

00:04:13   swamped by a particular slate of people [TS]

00:04:15   the sad / rabbit puppies where they have [TS]

00:04:19   sort of tactically nominated certain [TS]

00:04:21   certain works because of push and poll [TS]

00:04:26   of what they think science fiction [TS]

00:04:27   should be and because of some politics [TS]

00:04:29   and you know and things that are not [TS]

00:04:32   related to weather stories are good or [TS]

00:04:34   not i would argue so it's it's [TS]

00:04:37   problematic it it reading the hugo [TS]

00:04:40   nominees has always been somewhat [TS]

00:04:41   problematic because there's always that [TS]

00:04:43   moment where you think how did this get [TS]

00:04:44   nominated but this year was really for [TS]

00:04:47   me it was a whole other level than it's [TS]

00:04:50   been in the past [TS]

00:04:51   did did other people feel that same way [TS]

00:04:53   this is only my second year actually [TS]

00:04:56   reading all of the nominees so it [TS]

00:04:59   yeah i would say that Jose and I [TS]

00:05:02   actually like some of the stuff that you [TS]

00:05:03   guys didn't like so much last year right [TS]

00:05:05   and i still felt that there was a [TS]

00:05:06   significant drop-off in the overall [TS]

00:05:09   quality of the work that was that was on [TS]

00:05:11   the ballot for sure Scott well i mean i [TS]

00:05:14   think that this just continues my [TS]

00:05:16   disillusionment with Hugo's in I've [TS]

00:05:19   talked about this before where I is [TS]

00:05:20   always before i started reading also [TS]

00:05:22   nominated works i always thought that [TS]

00:05:24   the Yukos was kind of like the Oscars [TS]

00:05:27   and its really the people's choice and [TS]

00:05:30   if you get the People's Choice you're [TS]

00:05:32   gonna get a lot of crap because the [TS]

00:05:34   people are stupid crap that's that's my [TS]

00:05:38   misanthropy that I was looking for and [TS]

00:05:41   David you do you have any any thoughts [TS]

00:05:43   on this regard [TS]

00:05:44   well this is the first year i've [TS]

00:05:46   officially read them as someone who gets [TS]

00:05:48   to vote since you have to buy a [TS]

00:05:50   membership to ship-to-ship to con and [TS]

00:05:53   then since we're all gonna be there so i [TS]

00:05:55   got well okay I'll read everything you [TS]

00:05:59   know in previous years I've read the [TS]

00:06:01   good stuff i've read the stuff I've [TS]

00:06:02   heard about I've read the stuff that you [TS]

00:06:05   know I've heard about on on the podcast [TS]

00:06:06   even and so so I've kind of avoided [TS]

00:06:10   things that you know you go [TS]

00:06:13   I don't need to read anymore mirror [TS]

00:06:14   grant for instance um so this year [TS]

00:06:18   trying to to plow through everything [TS]

00:06:22   there's some really good things and you [TS]

00:06:26   can go yeah alright I see where that was [TS]

00:06:28   nominated and there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:06:30   that i would have rejected in a writing [TS]

00:06:33   class which you don't expect that an [TS]

00:06:37   awards ceremony you know novo of a [TS]

00:06:39   series of nominees i mean this is this [TS]

00:06:41   is high school level in some cases if [TS]

00:06:45   that and we'll get to that there's some [TS]

00:06:48   foreshadowing for you [TS]

00:06:50   hello I can't help but think as I read [TS]

00:06:54   all of this stuff that at and apologies [TS]

00:06:56   to Erica but the only category that [TS]

00:06:58   really matters is the novel category and [TS]

00:07:02   I think that a 44 people i mean i know [TS]

00:07:05   there's this the very devoted fandom [TS]

00:07:08   that is involved world cons and they're [TS]

00:07:10   very concerned about the process and I [TS]

00:07:12   understand all that and your respective [TS]

00:07:13   that I don't care about any of that [TS]

00:07:16   and the only thing I ever really care [TS]

00:07:19   about the heroes is the novels because [TS]

00:07:21   i'm a novel reader and i think that the [TS]

00:07:23   slate this slate of novels is not so bad [TS]

00:07:26   with one exception perhaps the rest of [TS]

00:07:32   the rest of the things i think it's [TS]

00:07:33   easier to get stuff in the other [TS]

00:07:35   categories because most people and this [TS]

00:07:38   is I'm assuming most people read more [TS]

00:07:41   novels than they do short fiction which [TS]

00:07:43   it doesn't seem to make much logical [TS]

00:07:45   sense since short fiction takes so [TS]

00:07:48   little time to read but novels are so [TS]

00:07:50   much more popular that I think that [TS]

00:07:51   everyone who's voting certainly when I [TS]

00:07:53   nominated I had a list of novels that I [TS]

00:07:56   nominated I didn't have a list of [TS]

00:07:58   anything else that nominated other than [TS]

00:07:59   podcast short stories generally God [TS]

00:08:01   about a thousand ballots yesterday [TS]

00:08:05   actually had 1174 nominating balance [TS]

00:08:08   yeah the novel in the novella were also [TS]

00:08:10   in the ballpark and best novel got 1,800 [TS]

00:08:12   ballots so dramatically larger pool [TS]

00:08:16   nominating for novel than for the short [TS]

00:08:19   fiction category [TS]

00:08:20   however the number of actual entries [TS]

00:08:22   nominated for best novel is much smaller [TS]

00:08:24   than the number of entries for something [TS]

00:08:26   like best short story best short story [TS]

00:08:27   had 728 best novel only had 587 yeah i [TS]

00:08:31   mean the number of short stories [TS]

00:08:32   published in a year versus the number of [TS]

00:08:34   novels published in a year i think i [TS]

00:08:35   think one of the one of the things and [TS]

00:08:37   we can maybe talk about this if we talk [TS]

00:08:39   about things like graphic story and [TS]

00:08:40   dramatic presentation and it's actually [TS]

00:08:42   I think why the novel was harder for a [TS]

00:08:44   slate to game is it's a lot harder to be [TS]

00:08:48   to create something that's eligible in [TS]

00:08:50   one of those categories like to make a [TS]

00:08:53   TV show or a movie you have there are [TS]

00:08:56   lots of gatekeepers that aren't [TS]

00:08:58   necessarily there for sure I mean for [TS]

00:09:01   some of these short fiction categories [TS]

00:09:02   especially you can just [TS]

00:09:04   just put it on a website and say [TS]

00:09:06   nominate this and it can get nominated [TS]

00:09:09   and it's a lot harder to do that free [TS]

00:09:10   you know major motion picture [TS]

00:09:12   yeah and while Scott may say that the [TS]

00:09:13   you know the novel is the most important [TS]

00:09:15   category at it i don't think i actually [TS]

00:09:17   agree with this it is the most popular [TS]

00:09:18   category but I i would actually argue [TS]

00:09:20   that that the other categories are more [TS]

00:09:22   important because they're going to have [TS]

00:09:24   more of an effect on the authors who are [TS]

00:09:26   nominated in those categories and I am [TS]

00:09:28   totally biased because actually work for [TS]

00:09:30   a magazine the publisher fiction so the [TS]

00:09:33   clear that right up front but I'm but [TS]

00:09:36   what it means [TS]

00:09:37   financially I mean that the novel [TS]

00:09:39   category as well but especially for [TS]

00:09:41   people who published short fiction which [TS]

00:09:42   is somewhat gaining ground on the in the [TS]

00:09:45   past few years but not as fast as if I [TS]

00:09:47   would like I think it's more important [TS]

00:09:50   for those categories because because the [TS]

00:09:52   effect is is much more and more grand [TS]

00:09:55   for the people involved in the category [TS]

00:09:57   well Scott correctly predicted your [TS]

00:09:59   disagreement so that I didn't say that [TS]

00:10:02   it was more important I just was only [TS]

00:10:04   one that mattered [TS]

00:10:05   pardon me for parsing that correctly we [TS]

00:10:09   have a disagreement in the same therapy [TS]

00:10:11   I'm I'm already taking a drink so let's [TS]

00:10:14   let's let's talk about the novel's i'm [TS]

00:10:16   not saying that they're better or worse [TS]

00:10:17   i'm just saying that let's talk about [TS]

00:10:19   them first [TS]

00:10:20   there there were so they're also we had [TS]

00:10:22   some shifting nominations where people [TS]

00:10:24   dropped out who were not happy to have [TS]

00:10:26   been included in slates but i'm just [TS]

00:10:30   going to list the final nominees here [TS]

00:10:32   and we can talk about them some of them [TS]

00:10:33   we've talked about a little bit before [TS]

00:10:34   in our nebulas episode which i will link [TS]

00:10:37   in our show notes but because there were [TS]

00:10:40   a few repeat nominees but we're talking [TS]

00:10:42   about them again since this is a [TS]

00:10:44   different crew then we have on that [TS]

00:10:46   episode Scott and I are the only ones in [TS]

00:10:47   common between the episodes so ancillary [TS]

00:10:50   sword got nominated the sequel to the [TS]

00:10:52   winner last year ancillary justice by [TS]

00:10:54   and lucky [TS]

00:10:55   scott and i talked about this in the [TS]

00:10:57   nebula nebula episode David and Erica [TS]

00:11:01   did you read ancillary sword you okay [TS]

00:11:04   what do what your what your thoughts [TS]

00:11:05   David why don't you go first [TS]

00:11:06   I i really enjoyed it I enjoyed the [TS]

00:11:10   first one and was so sorry that I had to [TS]

00:11:12   miss the episode you guys did on it [TS]

00:11:14   because it just [TS]

00:11:16   it's it's dense it doesn't make any [TS]

00:11:21   apologies for not explaining things your [TS]

00:11:24   pledges you right into this world and [TS]

00:11:25   this this existence and you have to [TS]

00:11:28   figure out your genders you have to [TS]

00:11:30   figure out time you have to figure out [TS]

00:11:32   how the ships and the ancillary is [TS]

00:11:33   everything work and it just held my [TS]

00:11:37   attention which a lot of books don't [TS]

00:11:39   necessarily do you know i'll read and [TS]

00:11:41   can look up at the TV and go what are [TS]

00:11:43   the kids doing and i'll get a drink this [TS]

00:11:45   one I picked up and I I just plowed [TS]

00:11:48   right through it so the sequel pretty [TS]

00:11:51   much the same experience i mean i would [TS]

00:11:55   i would say it was probably my favorite [TS]

00:11:57   of the five but it was close with one of [TS]

00:12:00   the other ones we'll get to that Erica [TS]

00:12:02   what did you think of ancillary sort who [TS]

00:12:04   i am i'm not on the same page as David i [TS]

00:12:07   did as i said on last year's episode i [TS]

00:12:09   enjoyed ancillary justice very very much [TS]

00:12:11   even though reading it felt a little bit [TS]

00:12:14   like work but not in a bad way and I [TS]

00:12:17   felt that that was the the same with [TS]

00:12:18   this one [TS]

00:12:19   it did feel a little bit like work but i [TS]

00:12:22   think you know because some of the best [TS]

00:12:23   books that i've ever read have been [TS]

00:12:25   challenging so that's that's an okay [TS]

00:12:26   thing but the difference here is that [TS]

00:12:28   with ancillary justice [TS]

00:12:29   I was so curious about this world in a [TS]

00:12:31   society that was really anxious to get [TS]

00:12:33   back into that world every time I had to [TS]

00:12:36   put the book down and with ancillary [TS]

00:12:37   stored i just didn't have that impetus [TS]

00:12:39   quite so much this installment just [TS]

00:12:42   didn't have that feeling that like I [TS]

00:12:44   could expect a new discovery around [TS]

00:12:46   every corner which I got with the first [TS]

00:12:48   one so I found myself less likely to [TS]

00:12:49   pick it up i actually ended up [TS]

00:12:51   alternating between this one and skin [TS]

00:12:53   game and between the two of you thought [TS]

00:12:56   I had kind of a a good balance of over [TS]

00:12:58   of all the different elements i was [TS]

00:13:00   looking for but on its own [TS]

00:13:02   ancillary sore just didn't quite float [TS]

00:13:04   my boat I still think it was an [TS]

00:13:05   incredibly well-written book [TS]

00:13:06   well-written story but they still find [TS]

00:13:10   that world fascinating i just wasn't as [TS]

00:13:11   excited about it this time [TS]

00:13:13   so definitely not my favorite this year [TS]

00:13:15   when it is the middle of a trilogy [TS]

00:13:17   exactly is we don't necessarily know and [TS]

00:13:21   I'm really looking forward to the third [TS]

00:13:22   installment because you know quite often [TS]

00:13:24   I feel like you know its middle child [TS]

00:13:26   syndrome like it just kinda [TS]

00:13:27   and then the third one ramp students [TS]

00:13:29   attention back up so I'm excited for [TS]

00:13:31   that one of the things i mentioned in [TS]

00:13:32   the nebula episode was that the very end [TS]

00:13:34   of ancillary justice feels like there [TS]

00:13:36   were suddenly going to be entering into [TS]

00:13:37   Star Trek The Next Generation and what [TS]

00:13:40   ancillary sort gives us deep space nine [TS]

00:13:42   which is a little bit of a surprise that [TS]

00:13:44   we're going to have this smaller story [TS]

00:13:46   on a space station and that took me back [TS]

00:13:48   but what I what I've realized thinking [TS]

00:13:50   about it afterward is that one of the [TS]

00:13:52   things and lucky is really doing is kind [TS]

00:13:54   of critiquing Empire and I think in a in [TS]

00:13:57   a in a novel that is itself a space [TS]

00:14:01   opera she is and the whole idea of Star [TS]

00:14:04   Empire's and things like that [TS]

00:14:05   both books are about the ugly side of [TS]

00:14:09   empire and applying that to a space [TS]

00:14:11   opera context so you know in the first [TS]

00:14:13   book they talk about a massacre in a on [TS]

00:14:16   a planet that is being taken over by the [TS]

00:14:18   ratch Empire and in this book what [TS]

00:14:20   you've got is this planet with [TS]

00:14:22   plantations and what I'm you know poorly [TS]

00:14:25   treated workers on them and this kind of [TS]

00:14:27   upper class of people who are running [TS]

00:14:28   the plantations and I thought that was [TS]

00:14:31   really interesting I thought it just as [TS]

00:14:33   evocative as as the kind of running [TS]

00:14:35   through the the frozen landscape into [TS]

00:14:36   ancillary just as an ancillary sword i [TS]

00:14:39   remember the main character doing her [TS]

00:14:41   runs through the plantations beyond [TS]

00:14:45   where she's supposed to go and seeing [TS]

00:14:47   the people who live and work there and [TS]

00:14:49   and I i just--that's like sort of an [TS]

00:14:52   indelible image for me in this up that [TS]

00:14:55   and also that the swimming pool leaks in [TS]

00:14:56   the space station and that's a key a key [TS]

00:14:59   plot point but you know I I find I am I [TS]

00:15:02   for me I didn't like it as much as [TS]

00:15:04   ancillary justice but what I was [TS]

00:15:06   surprised by is how different it was and [TS]

00:15:10   i like that that was kind of almost [TS]

00:15:11   ambitious in a way certainly do not just [TS]

00:15:14   write the same book again and I see what [TS]

00:15:16   she's doing in terms of the commentary [TS]

00:15:17   she's trying to trying to provide about [TS]

00:15:19   like you know Star Empire's aren't so [TS]

00:15:21   great because they're still empires and [TS]

00:15:22   the Empire's tend to do bad things to [TS]

00:15:24   people under there under their boot yeah [TS]

00:15:27   and see I like the fact that it wasn't [TS]

00:15:29   the same book and and of course I've [TS]

00:15:31   said before I love deep space nine [TS]

00:15:33   something Scott you want to revisit [TS]

00:15:37   ancillary sort a little bit [TS]

00:15:40   uh sure let's see if I can remember Chad [TS]

00:15:42   happens because swimming pool leagues a [TS]

00:15:46   couple weeks that's true there's a [TS]

00:15:47   plantation I remember I heard you guys [TS]

00:15:49   talking about all these elements and I [TS]

00:15:51   was reminded why i remember enjoying it [TS]

00:15:54   okay IIM on the same page with erica i [TS]

00:15:57   think the first book was revelation and [TS]

00:15:59   then you come back to the same [TS]

00:16:00   characters and it can't be a revelation [TS]

00:16:03   again which is kind of a disappointment [TS]

00:16:05   but then it's well-written it's it's [TS]

00:16:08   it's a fine book it's also the middle of [TS]

00:16:10   the trilogy it's hard to give a an award [TS]

00:16:13   to the middle of the trilogy or to a [TS]

00:16:16   book that starts the trilogy that's [TS]

00:16:17   actually the second trilogy that's [TS]

00:16:20   foreshadowing oh so how but I liked a [TS]

00:16:25   lot i like brick I think it's [TS]

00:16:27   fascinating records good character i [TS]

00:16:29   think i think my problem with it is that [TS]

00:16:33   the impression i got and this isn't [TS]

00:16:35   maybe on me is that having set this [TS]

00:16:38   world up in in the first book about the [TS]

00:16:40   the clones and the different Emperor's [TS]

00:16:42   in this star spanning battle between [TS]

00:16:45   clones of the same Emperor who are [TS]

00:16:48   turning against each other in this [TS]

00:16:49   mysterious alien force that's trying to [TS]

00:16:51   undermine the whole thing I expected the [TS]

00:16:53   canvas to get broader in book 2 and it [TS]

00:16:57   it absolutely doesn't there are hints of [TS]

00:17:00   what's going on in the background but we [TS]

00:17:03   didn't get the star spanning you know [TS]

00:17:06   the first book takes us right to the [TS]

00:17:08   palace basically right to the Emperor [TS]

00:17:09   and it by the end of the book and this [TS]

00:17:12   book is you know we're in backwater [TS]

00:17:15   essentially at a space station and that [TS]

00:17:17   that's not bad necessarily like i said i [TS]

00:17:19   love that she didn't write the same book [TS]

00:17:21   again but I thought we were going up and [TS]

00:17:24   we were actually going down and so it [TS]

00:17:26   took me by surprise for me i am a sucker [TS]

00:17:29   for beginnings [TS]

00:17:30   I am but with the first in a trilogy is [TS]

00:17:32   almost always my favorite the first book [TS]

00:17:34   in a series i mean anything we're just [TS]

00:17:36   discovering a new world that's that just [TS]

00:17:38   completely gets me and that's [TS]

00:17:39   foreshadowing for another book will talk [TS]

00:17:41   about so so i think i was predisposed to [TS]

00:17:43   like ancillary justice and you know just [TS]

00:17:45   drop off a little bit no matter what [TS]

00:17:48   Francis restored [TS]

00:17:49   yeah I think that's fair time to take a [TS]

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00:19:55   alright let's move on and talk about the [TS]

00:19:58   dark between the stars by kevin j [TS]

00:20:01   anderson who I have [TS]

00:20:04   i don't think i've read any of his books [TS]

00:20:06   he wrote a lot of star wars books right [TS]

00:20:10   isn't that it's never a star wars books [TS]

00:20:12   here in the the prequel to Superman [TS]

00:20:15   that's all about his parents on Krypton [TS]

00:20:18   and go and he's the one who work with [TS]

00:20:20   Brian Herbert on the interview tomorrow [TS]

00:20:22   okay [TS]

00:20:23   it is he is someone whose books i have [TS]

00:20:25   given up on many minutes put it that way [TS]

00:20:29   and my impression from reading this book [TS]

00:20:31   and and I think this is always fair to [TS]

00:20:33   say this is not not in the middle of a [TS]

00:20:37   series but is the direct sequel to a [TS]

00:20:39   previous series [TS]

00:20:41   okay that explains so much did not know [TS]

00:20:44   that as far as i can tell i I think I [TS]

00:20:46   looked that up and discovered that there [TS]

00:20:48   were there were references in the [TS]

00:20:50   beginning of this book are you [TS]

00:20:52   there's a previous trilogy yeah but this [TS]

00:20:54   book starts basically just picks up [TS]

00:20:57   right from and you start reading if this [TS]

00:20:59   is the only book that you've read in the [TS]

00:21:01   series [TS]

00:21:02   I only speak for myself you have no idea [TS]

00:21:05   what's coming up huh [TS]

00:21:06   yep get ready well you you eventually do [TS]

00:21:09   because he tells you over and over and [TS]

00:21:11   over and over again what each [TS]

00:21:13   character's motivation and every time [TS]

00:21:14   you start a new chapter [TS]

00:21:15   that's true and yet we keep getting new [TS]

00:21:17   can I felt like I don't know how long [TS]

00:21:19   this book was but I felt like there were [TS]

00:21:21   more characters and their work pages [TS]

00:21:23   said that about 8,000 pages long but no [TS]

00:21:26   sorry 5,000 pages long sentence [TS]

00:21:29   elementals appear at some point that I'm [TS]

00:21:31   like what's going on I don't understand [TS]

00:21:33   his sentimental that's right there are [TS]

00:21:37   spaced gypsies [TS]

00:21:38   I don't know yeah they did every chapter [TS]

00:21:41   you think when are we going to get back [TS]

00:21:43   to those characters we saw in the first [TS]

00:21:44   chapter and it takes a long time because [TS]

00:21:47   there are so many characters and there [TS]

00:21:48   are so many chapters and there's so many [TS]

00:21:50   pages and and into his credit I suppose [TS]

00:21:53   this is a I mean this could not be a [TS]

00:21:56   wider screen epic because there's just [TS]

00:22:00   an endless cavalcade of different [TS]

00:22:03   characters that that that come on board [TS]

00:22:05   in the story I couldn't get through it [TS]

00:22:08   in fact I couldn't get more than about a [TS]

00:22:10   hundred and fifty pages into it because [TS]

00:22:12   it reminded me and people who like the [TS]

00:22:16   sort of thing you know [TS]

00:22:17   might like it although I it reminded me [TS]

00:22:19   of foundation a little bit in the sense [TS]

00:22:22   that it is a a galaxy-spanning space [TS]

00:22:25   opera where there's a lot of ideas that [TS]

00:22:28   are told by people standing around [TS]

00:22:30   talking about their ideas and lots of uh [TS]

00:22:35   it's just not a lot of characters about [TS]

00:22:39   a lot of complexity a lot of world [TS]

00:22:41   building and it just it just got it got [TS]

00:22:45   really frustrated after a while like I [TS]

00:22:47   felt I felt I can give foundation to [TS]

00:22:49   pass because it was written like 60 [TS]

00:22:51   years ago but as a modern novel it felt [TS]

00:22:54   like these were the characters were not [TS]

00:22:57   really part of the of of the point here [TS]

00:22:59   it was really just let me download more [TS]

00:23:01   of this world like it was like somebody [TS]

00:23:03   was telling me about this dream they had [TS]

00:23:05   about wouldn't it be cool if the galaxy [TS]

00:23:07   had these people these aliens in it and [TS]

00:23:10   you know [TS]

00:23:11   no it wouldn't be cool I don't want to [TS]

00:23:14   hear about you and as someone who loves [TS]

00:23:17   the foundation trilogy I did not like [TS]

00:23:19   this book at all [TS]

00:23:20   yeah i like the foundation trilogy but [TS]

00:23:22   you see what I mean about you know in by [TS]

00:23:25   modern standards foundation doesn't have [TS]

00:23:26   a lot of like really great characters [TS]

00:23:28   who you you understand their motivation [TS]

00:23:31   it feels it feels more or or like the [TS]

00:23:33   doc smith book something like that it [TS]

00:23:35   feels more you know which I think was [TS]

00:23:38   maybe the point why why some people [TS]

00:23:40   nominated it is it feels me feels pulpy [TS]

00:23:43   and old school but as I think we said [TS]

00:23:46   about something else in the in the [TS]

00:23:47   nebula conversation you know the the [TS]

00:23:51   standards are our greater now than they [TS]

00:23:53   were 60 years ago and I we expect more [TS]

00:23:55   of our novels and from dark between the [TS]

00:23:58   stars i just got just like just a more [TS]

00:24:00   another pile of of of stuff just an [TS]

00:24:03   endless pile of of new stuff that I [TS]

00:24:05   didn't care about and I mean the [TS]

00:24:07   foundation books were not originally [TS]

00:24:09   written as novels I mean they were put [TS]

00:24:11   together from a series of stories that [TS]

00:24:14   he published over several years in the [TS]

00:24:16   different magazines and so there they [TS]

00:24:19   have this really weird that they're not [TS]

00:24:20   structured like novels they're just odd [TS]

00:24:23   right where is this you know presumably [TS]

00:24:25   you have an editor presumably you have [TS]

00:24:28   someone saying by the way [TS]

00:24:30   this should be a book and it should be [TS]

00:24:33   shorter and stuff should happen right [TS]

00:24:36   um yeah yeah I i will say that i [TS]

00:24:40   actually enjoyed this one I'm not going [TS]

00:24:42   to say that it was it was good certainly [TS]

00:24:44   not in the way that a novel isn't David [TS]

00:24:46   you actually just nailed it because i [TS]

00:24:48   felt like i was reading you know an [TS]

00:24:51   old-fashioned see realized work that was [TS]

00:24:53   just published week by week in a [TS]

00:24:54   magazine or newspaper and I actually [TS]

00:24:56   didn't end up reading it sort of as a [TS]

00:24:58   novel I i was busy doing a whole bunch [TS]

00:25:01   of other things so i would read a [TS]

00:25:02   chapter and then go do something else [TS]

00:25:04   and then come back and read a chapter [TS]

00:25:06   and you know there are over a hundred [TS]

00:25:08   chapters in this thing so it took me [TS]

00:25:10   awhile and spread it out and I think [TS]

00:25:11   that vastly improved the reading [TS]

00:25:13   experience if I would have just sat down [TS]

00:25:15   and kept reading reading I think the [TS]

00:25:16   things that annoyed me and there are [TS]

00:25:18   plenty of things that annoyed me the [TS]

00:25:20   things that annoyed me would have would [TS]

00:25:22   have annoyed me much much more [TS]

00:25:23   so I mean I would never ever have put [TS]

00:25:25   this on a ballot to win any kind of [TS]

00:25:28   award but just for for something to do [TS]

00:25:31   something to keep me busy for a good [TS]

00:25:33   chunk of time and just like it occupy my [TS]

00:25:36   mind in between doing other things [TS]

00:25:37   without without challenging it very much [TS]

00:25:40   I was I was fine with that i was i [TS]

00:25:42   enjoyed the process of reading it ok but [TS]

00:25:44   i just i would get pulled out of it [TS]

00:25:47   every now and then just because like I [TS]

00:25:48   said really explaining who the [TS]

00:25:51   characters are every time we see them [TS]

00:25:53   like ok if you are explaining we know [TS]

00:25:55   what Zoe's motivation is every time we [TS]

00:25:57   see her [TS]

00:25:58   that means you recognize that there are [TS]

00:25:59   enough characters that people are going [TS]

00:26:01   to forget by the time they come back to [TS]

00:26:02   it that's that should be a sign that you [TS]

00:26:04   should do something about that perhaps [TS]

00:26:06   you know I think that's also that there [TS]

00:26:09   there seems to be this trend I've [TS]

00:26:10   noticed in reality shows to where you [TS]

00:26:13   have to have you you end up seeing the [TS]

00:26:15   same clips and scenes and quotes about [TS]

00:26:17   five times and a half hour episode of [TS]

00:26:20   something because apparently we don't [TS]

00:26:22   have the attention span or ability to [TS]

00:26:24   remember more than you know five minutes [TS]

00:26:26   the flashback to something that happened [TS]

00:26:28   in the same episode of a TV show was [TS]

00:26:29   like right i do I did was watching mad [TS]

00:26:31   and what I mean you're watching this [TS]

00:26:34   this is the kind of thing that yeah I [TS]

00:26:35   probably probably would have enjoyed it [TS]

00:26:38   back when I was you know 15 and I didn't [TS]

00:26:40   have a lot of stuff just occupy my time [TS]

00:26:43   you know but now I have children I have [TS]

00:26:45   a house to take care of I have things to [TS]

00:26:47   write and make and do and you know I got [TS]

00:26:51   to a point where I said life is too [TS]

00:26:53   short [TS]

00:26:54   I just don't care and I mean I I got [TS]

00:26:58   through his last days of Krypton novel [TS]

00:27:00   which is very similar its it if you like [TS]

00:27:05   reiterating huge Oriole is every time [TS]

00:27:07   you see him because who the hell is [TS]

00:27:08   jerrell you know then yes and and [TS]

00:27:12   talking about ideas and and then pulpy [TS]

00:27:14   things that happen and have you also [TS]

00:27:16   also there are there just ticks as haha [TS]

00:27:19   yes the the tix that for me I've always [TS]

00:27:22   had a problem with novels that do the or [TS]

00:27:24   writing in general that does the [TS]

00:27:26   descriptive download and literally there [TS]

00:27:28   every time I character gets introduced a [TS]

00:27:30   bell goes off and there's a paragraph of [TS]

00:27:33   description some of which really doesn't [TS]

00:27:35   make any sense but there's always [TS]

00:27:37   detailed description so you get the tom [TS]

00:27:40   was a stall striking man with dark skin [TS]

00:27:42   and a lean physique his sinewy muscles [TS]

00:27:44   were all in all the right places rap [TS]

00:27:47   like mono fiber cables around his bones [TS]

00:27:49   had a long face with prominent [TS]

00:27:50   cheekbones and bright eyes a [TS]

00:27:52   form-fitting polymer suit clung to him [TS]

00:27:54   like a reinforced skin [TS]

00:27:56   his voice was rich and deep as if he had [TS]

00:27:58   taken Shakespearean training but this [TS]

00:27:59   man did not look like an actor and this [TS]

00:28:02   that happens for every single character [TS]

00:28:04   engine idle again like 10 pages later [TS]

00:28:07   and I'm just I'm just not a fan of that [TS]

00:28:09   i would much rather discover who these [TS]

00:28:11   people are as we go instead of habit [TS]

00:28:14   have that the big the big download but [TS]

00:28:16   so i I just I couldn't I couldn't do it [TS]

00:28:18   i mean i was complaining on twitter [TS]

00:28:20   about it and Scott yes as i was reading [TS]

00:28:23   is not to mention explaining what [TS]

00:28:26   happened in the past I felt like the the [TS]

00:28:28   exposition was very clunky and a lot of [TS]

00:28:30   places we had characters who both knew [TS]

00:28:32   exactly what was going on talking to [TS]

00:28:35   each other [TS]

00:28:36   explaining something that the other [TS]

00:28:37   person already knows as you already know [TS]

00:28:38   biggest pet peeve and then every once in [TS]

00:28:41   a while we get you know I appreciated [TS]

00:28:42   the fact that a decent number of these [TS]

00:28:44   characters were women and some in [TS]

00:28:46   positions of power and like that is [TS]

00:28:48   always something that I really [TS]

00:28:49   appreciate so so I like to that but then [TS]

00:28:51   every once in a while one of these very [TS]

00:28:52   very subtly sexist things would creep in [TS]

00:28:55   like [TS]

00:28:56   you know how one of the characters [TS]

00:28:58   didn't want to be one of those [TS]

00:28:59   professional women who couldn't balance [TS]

00:29:01   family matters with business assess [TS]

00:29:03   ities this is so far in the future i [TS]

00:29:04   hate the idea that that's still a thing [TS]

00:29:06   that we have to to fight against her or [TS]

00:29:09   maybe the fact that the female voice [TS]

00:29:10   copies the computers a sound matronly [TS]

00:29:13   and protective while the male 1 sound [TS]

00:29:15   more erudite and professorial like that [TS]

00:29:17   kind of stuff just gets my backup [TS]

00:29:20   yeah well Scott you you didn't make it [TS]

00:29:23   all the way through right i do I did I [TS]

00:29:27   regret it did enjoy it's why I'm a [TS]

00:29:30   completist so I had to finish it and and [TS]

00:29:33   and i will never get that time back [TS]

00:29:35   although i can understand how someone [TS]

00:29:37   would like this book I just thought it [TS]

00:29:39   was awful i just i just thought they've [TS]

00:29:42   got to be better options in this kind of [TS]

00:29:43   in this kind of story then yeah then [TS]

00:29:46   this and I think that it was just people [TS]

00:29:49   that some people were upset or maybe not [TS]

00:29:52   upset but thought that kevin j anderson [TS]

00:29:54   has written so much stuff and he's never [TS]

00:29:56   been nominated for Hugo so clearly he [TS]

00:29:58   deserves to be nominated one but he [TS]

00:30:00   doesn't and that's okay all right it [TS]

00:30:04   should be you know quality instead of [TS]

00:30:06   quantity and I mean it he writes many [TS]

00:30:09   books many people buy them and and [TS]

00:30:12   that's the that's his award all the [TS]

00:30:13   money he makes from the books he doesn't [TS]

00:30:16   actually need a huge well now you can [TS]

00:30:18   see he's been nominated for you go [TS]

00:30:20   I let's move on to the Goblin Emperor by [TS]

00:30:24   Catherine Addison this was another one [TS]

00:30:29   of those nebula nominees so Scott and I [TS]

00:30:30   have talked about it a little bit Eric I [TS]

00:30:32   did you read this one I did what do you [TS]

00:30:34   think [TS]

00:30:35   oh my god I loved this book so much it [TS]

00:30:39   kind of took me by surprise i didn't [TS]

00:30:41   know what to expect from it and I found [TS]

00:30:45   myself just completely wrapped up in it [TS]

00:30:48   I mean it grabbed me from like almost [TS]

00:30:49   moment one and i say almost because it [TS]

00:30:51   took me awhile to get used to the [TS]

00:30:53   language yeah there's so many proper [TS]

00:30:55   names that sounds vaguely Hungarian and [TS]

00:30:57   our darkest hours and will to not only [TS]

00:30:59   enough that that kind of threw me out [TS]

00:31:01   but it turns out that Dashon Duke i [TS]

00:31:04   believe it was Sean on the nebula [TS]

00:31:06   episode was so thrown off by the das [TS]

00:31:08   thousand all that [TS]

00:31:09   he ended up just liking it but it turns [TS]

00:31:11   out if you stick with it you discover [TS]

00:31:13   that that is a contextual q got the [TS]

00:31:16   formality of the language but you have [TS]

00:31:18   to you have to figure it out to get [TS]

00:31:20   there [TS]

00:31:20   mm so I mean yeah because you know that [TS]

00:31:23   that sort of thing flows for me just [TS]

00:31:25   fine in Shakespeare but here you know [TS]

00:31:27   it's it's only when they're speaking [TS]

00:31:29   aloud and it depends on who they're [TS]

00:31:31   speaking to you as a character so I did [TS]

00:31:33   appreciate that in their heads no matter [TS]

00:31:35   what they always used a much more sort [TS]

00:31:36   of modern pattern of speech [TS]

00:31:38   oh but so for me I think it was more the [TS]

00:31:40   back-and-forth that took adjusting to [TS]

00:31:42   figuring out when it was when it was [TS]

00:31:43   happening and why and that sort of thing [TS]

00:31:45   but in the end I just completely adored [TS]

00:31:48   the book when it was over I wanted it to [TS]

00:31:50   be not over [TS]

00:31:52   I just I kept catching myself looking [TS]

00:31:54   forward to the next time I could go back [TS]

00:31:55   to reading it and pick it up and then I [TS]

00:31:57   would remember that I was done with it [TS]

00:31:58   and that realization was just like a [TS]

00:32:00   dash of cold water on my soul I was so [TS]

00:32:02   upset you know when I when i'm finished [TS]

00:32:04   i looked up to see surely as a fantasy [TS]

00:32:07   novel like all fantasy novels are [TS]

00:32:08   contractually obligated to be it is part [TS]

00:32:10   of a long-running series of books that [TS]

00:32:12   are planned and i found an article where [TS]

00:32:14   she said no it's a standalone I'm never [TS]

00:32:16   gonna probably never going to revisit [TS]

00:32:18   those characters of that universe and I [TS]

00:32:19   was my response with your little take my [TS]

00:32:24   money [TS]

00:32:24   yeah because my kids for once you wanted [TS]

00:32:26   to do David do you read it [TS]

00:32:28   yeah thoughts this this was one that I [TS]

00:32:31   think I saw a reference to a quite a [TS]

00:32:34   while ago and or maybe you had made a [TS]

00:32:36   reference to it online and I said you [TS]

00:32:38   know how is that you said that's good [TS]

00:32:39   and and so when it popped up on here so [TS]

00:32:42   all right and I mean I've I again I've [TS]

00:32:46   burnt out on fantasy a little bit in [TS]

00:32:48   recent years but i really enjoyed the [TS]

00:32:52   world-building I enjoyed the you know [TS]

00:32:55   again having to figure out the language [TS]

00:32:57   in the cues and and sort of focus on [TS]

00:32:59   that and and with the whole all the the [TS]

00:33:04   political things and then in the bridge [TS]

00:33:06   building and it kind of made me think of [TS]

00:33:09   it as as like a fantasy version of parks [TS]

00:33:11   and recreation [TS]

00:33:12   oddly enough the sort of the procedure [TS]

00:33:16   of going through and making this happen [TS]

00:33:19   so I mean let's let's let's say it a [TS]

00:33:22   fantasy novel when you hear about a [TS]

00:33:24   fantasy novel the government Emperor [TS]

00:33:25   what I think most people would conjure [TS]

00:33:29   up is sort of a generic high fantasy [TS]

00:33:31   epic where the leader of a goblin you [TS]

00:33:35   know a goblin people has to I don't know [TS]

00:33:38   there's a quest they have to Aurora's [TS]

00:33:40   people have to defeat the evil goblins [TS]

00:33:42   Emperor it's something like you'd expect [TS]

00:33:44   what I did not expect is that it is a [TS]

00:33:47   character study coming of age story and [TS]

00:33:50   about politics and finding your way in a [TS]

00:33:55   complicated you know it basically like a [TS]

00:33:57   like the royalty or the the aristocracy [TS]

00:34:01   and how you fit into the into that [TS]

00:34:03   complicated world and that's what the [TS]

00:34:07   Goblin temper is it is not at all when I [TS]

00:34:09   tell people the name of the book they're [TS]

00:34:11   like okay I'm gonna know it's you [TS]

00:34:14   picture isn't anything is not what you [TS]

00:34:16   think that goblins like that [TS]

00:34:18   no these are just it's just racism is [TS]

00:34:22   really that like goblins goblins because [TS]

00:34:24   of the elves and goblins water goblins [TS]

00:34:26   as far as i can tell goblins are else [TS]

00:34:28   with dark skin that's what they aren't [TS]

00:34:29   you captain [TS]

00:34:31   that's it so that's a fascinating little [TS]

00:34:34   angle is the is the sort of race [TS]

00:34:35   relations and this is the Goblin Emperor [TS]

00:34:37   so it is the you know I don't have the [TS]

00:34:41   sad puppies are angry because it's the [TS]

00:34:43   first black emperor and you know or or [TS]

00:34:46   much he's the Obama of the elf Kingdom [TS]

00:34:49   but but uh that's that's an element it [TS]

00:34:54   but really in its core it's about a [TS]

00:34:56   young person who is very smart but not [TS]

00:34:59   educated and has to figure out his place [TS]

00:35:04   in the world and it i'm in i agree with [TS]

00:35:08   every so often I come in one of those [TS]

00:35:10   books and I think this is the book i'm [TS]

00:35:12   going to be recommending the people for [TS]

00:35:13   the next year like among others was a [TS]

00:35:15   good example of that and the genie and [TS]

00:35:16   golem actually and I and when I read [TS]

00:35:19   goblin Emperor I thought to myself up [TS]

00:35:21   this is it this is this is that one that [TS]

00:35:23   I'm going to just recommend to everybody [TS]

00:35:25   for the next year because i liked it so [TS]

00:35:26   much [TS]

00:35:27   yeah this is another book that had [TS]

00:35:28   something that I'm a complete sucker for [TS]

00:35:30   and that is when [TS]

00:35:32   main character are point-of-view [TS]

00:35:33   character is discovering and figuring [TS]

00:35:35   out the world right along with me as [TS]

00:35:37   later i love that sort of thing and not [TS]

00:35:40   only is he discovering the world but [TS]

00:35:41   like you said discovering his place in [TS]

00:35:43   it he's he comes into this world [TS]

00:35:45   basically at the top of it and has to [TS]

00:35:47   figure it out from the top down which is [TS]

00:35:49   really interesting sort of spin to put [TS]

00:35:51   on it [TS]

00:35:51   Scott you have you can have reminded you [TS]

00:35:53   of the government / and I do have a very [TS]

00:35:56   clear recollection of the he's a bridge [TS]

00:36:00   model of the bridge that scene where [TS]

00:36:02   he's fiddling with the model is [TS]

00:36:05   delightful i also remember the scene [TS]

00:36:07   where he's abducted and he is what his [TS]

00:36:12   cousin his his what is the the widow of [TS]

00:36:17   his father who isn't actually his mother [TS]

00:36:20   but was you know she has mother died [TS]

00:36:22   wants her son to become the Emperor and [TS]

00:36:25   not this goblin rather they abduct him [TS]

00:36:27   there's an assassination attempt yeah [TS]

00:36:29   and he's like you know his cousin her [TS]

00:36:31   comes down and it's like what's going on [TS]

00:36:33   and a little the Goblin Emperor's like [TS]

00:36:35   well you can kill me and you will become [TS]

00:36:36   emperor but trust me it's not all that [TS]

00:36:38   great people want to kill you like this [TS]

00:36:41   for instance right and I just thought [TS]

00:36:43   that was a fantastic seed I really love [TS]

00:36:45   this book [TS]

00:36:46   I think it's my favorite book of the the [TS]

00:36:49   nominees and I was going to say that it [TS]

00:36:52   was the kudos to the heroes for alerting [TS]

00:36:55   me to it but actually the nebulas army [TS]

00:36:57   to it so i can't even give that to the [TS]

00:36:58   Hugo's but well that's just timing [TS]

00:37:01   yep but the Liberals get the full credit [TS]

00:37:04   rating represents the air but you can't [TS]

00:37:07   hold it against the he goes for like [TS]

00:37:08   holding out on you but I'm glad I'm glad [TS]

00:37:11   i was worried what with all the the [TS]

00:37:14   hoopla around the he goes this year that [TS]

00:37:16   it would not end up on the ballot for [TS]

00:37:18   whatever reason but i'm very glad that [TS]

00:37:20   it is [TS]

00:37:20   yeah it's great it's also nominated for [TS]

00:37:25   the world fantasy award and it won the [TS]

00:37:28   locus award for best fantasy novel but [TS]

00:37:32   although it didn't win the nebula it it [TS]

00:37:33   is 11 major work [TS]

00:37:35   what did win the left nebula i forgot [TS]

00:37:37   the book that I didn't like [TS]

00:37:39   the book and I like what didn't think [TS]

00:37:42   should win the award I was it an [TS]

00:37:43   isolation [TS]

00:37:44   yes relation which scott doesn't [TS]

00:37:46   recommend as a book to put say winner of [TS]

00:37:48   the nebula word on the cover because [TS]

00:37:50   people read it go what is that [TS]

00:37:53   yes but i think it should have one and I [TS]

00:37:54   was glad it did with a very well-written [TS]

00:37:56   book that I didn't like [TS]

00:37:58   gotcha I was not surprised so it's kind [TS]

00:38:01   of the other minority dark opposite of [TS]

00:38:03   the dark between the stars and then not [TS]

00:38:04   particularly well written book that I [TS]

00:38:06   did kind of like yeah sort of [TS]

00:38:09   sure it's much shorter oh man does have [TS]

00:38:12   not going for it [TS]

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00:41:08   let's move on and talk about skin game [TS]

00:41:10   by jim butcher this is the latest [TS]

00:41:13   installment I don't even know how many [TS]

00:41:15   there have been in the Harry Dresden 55 [TS]

00:41:17   serious book 11 book 18 I don't even [TS]

00:41:21   know the dresden files books by jim [TS]

00:41:23   butcher this so I i have an admission [TS]

00:41:27   here i only read the hugo and this is [TS]

00:41:31   this is a or orbit and rock books his [TS]

00:41:34   publishers fault i only read the PDF [TS]

00:41:36   that they sent for the hugo packet I [TS]

00:41:39   didn't is an excerpt it was the first 90 [TS]

00:41:42   pages [TS]

00:41:43   mm so I what I'll say is I've read some [TS]

00:41:47   jim butcher harry dresden books and [TS]

00:41:50   thought they were ok I thought this one [TS]

00:41:53   was fine i wouldn't say no to reading [TS]

00:41:58   the rest of it except that I i would [TS]

00:42:00   rather read it in the sequence in which [TS]

00:42:01   was intended i jumped way ahead by [TS]

00:42:03   reading the first many pages of skin [TS]

00:42:05   game [TS]

00:42:06   but it's fine i I never at any point got [TS]

00:42:10   that feeling of like oh man [TS]

00:42:11   now this is some award-winning material [TS]

00:42:13   and maybe that you know again you could [TS]

00:42:15   argue maybe out my standards are i'm [TS]

00:42:19   looking for something like super not [TS]

00:42:21   necessarily just good but like something [TS]

00:42:23   I feel has something important to say or [TS]

00:42:25   something like that and maybe that is [TS]

00:42:26   one of the sources of people grumbling [TS]

00:42:28   about what gets nominated for Hugo's i [TS]

00:42:31   thought was fine i just again I i don't [TS]

00:42:33   think i would ever say man I gotta run [TS]

00:42:35   wherewhere things being nominated so i [TS]

00:42:37   could run there and nominate this but I [TS]

00:42:40   I you know I think butcher is a fine [TS]

00:42:44   writer and resident is an interesting [TS]

00:42:45   character and he's built this [TS]

00:42:46   interesting magical world and you know I [TS]

00:42:50   after 90 pages of that I was certainly [TS]

00:42:52   intrigued to keep reading it and again [TS]

00:42:54   if I weren't like six books or eight [TS]

00:42:56   books behind i probably would have [TS]

00:42:58   picked up on reading it but instead i [TS]

00:43:00   just decided to stop what everybody else [TS]

00:43:03   think David you read this one [TS]

00:43:05   yeah well I read the 90 page and the X [TS]

00:43:07   here at the same page as me [TS]

00:43:09   alright guys well I read one of the [TS]

00:43:11   earlier books years and years ago [TS]

00:43:12   because people like all you should be [TS]

00:43:15   this you'll enjoy it and I didn't and I [TS]

00:43:18   mean it's fine again if I were 18 and [TS]

00:43:23   just kind of picking science fiction [TS]

00:43:25   books off the shelf at random because I [TS]

00:43:28   was curious about them i might get into [TS]

00:43:30   it I mean I Redbird several xanthe [TS]

00:43:32   novels for crying out loud but here [TS]

00:43:36   well i'll also say unlike at the kevin j [TS]

00:43:38   anderson book which I just couldn't get [TS]

00:43:40   through and I just abandoned I would [TS]

00:43:42   have if I had to hold jim butcher book i [TS]

00:43:44   would read it after would not have been [TS]

00:43:46   a problem sorry I mean it'sit's good [TS]

00:43:48   popcorn writing it's you know I mean I [TS]

00:43:51   stive tons of murder mystery novels and [TS]

00:43:53   tons of you know all kinds of series [TS]

00:43:54   that I would never nominated for [TS]

00:43:56   anything but I'll read them for fun I [TS]

00:43:58   wouldn't call it a guilty pleasure [TS]

00:43:59   because i still like them and I still [TS]

00:44:01   say hey if you like mystery series [TS]

00:44:03   read this if you like magical p is read [TS]

00:44:06   this [TS]

00:44:06   no I think that would nominated for [TS]

00:44:10   anything [TS]

00:44:10   now I don't know Erica and Scotty did [TS]

00:44:14   remind me last year one of the nominees [TS]

00:44:16   for in this category was warbound [TS]

00:44:18   by Larry Correia mom and I was thinking [TS]

00:44:21   about that while I was reading skin game [TS]

00:44:22   because what my thoughts were were [TS]

00:44:24   essentially well this is way better than [TS]

00:44:26   that sound is not not was not it was [TS]

00:44:31   competently written and I read the whole [TS]

00:44:34   thing but in and the genres aren't quite [TS]

00:44:38   the same here but there are these are [TS]

00:44:40   both you know said poppy nominees and [TS]

00:44:41   skin games better than that we were [TS]

00:44:44   really lukewarm about warbound and i can [TS]

00:44:46   i can give you a much greater [TS]

00:44:47   endorsement 22 Jim butchers books [TS]

00:44:50   I you know I think it's I think it's [TS]

00:44:52   much much better than then that book [TS]

00:44:54   that got nominated last year i think [TS]

00:44:55   it's fine [TS]

00:44:56   yeah I actually gave up on the mountain [TS]

00:44:58   book last year not because it was badly [TS]

00:45:00   written but just because I didn't like [TS]

00:45:02   basically the treatment of women and it [TS]

00:45:04   just made me uncomfortable enough that I [TS]

00:45:06   I said well you know it's kind of [TS]

00:45:08   interesting but but not interesting [TS]

00:45:10   enough [TS]

00:45:11   whereas here in skin game i had some of [TS]

00:45:12   the same issues but to a much much much [TS]

00:45:14   much smaller degree and I completely [TS]

00:45:18   agree with everything you said it's it [TS]

00:45:19   is interesting i mean it i just i i knew [TS]

00:45:22   that actually looked it up it's the 15th [TS]

00:45:24   book in the series wow wow ok and I'm [TS]

00:45:27   like 13 behind ya and I honestly didn't [TS]

00:45:31   even realize that that this was part of [TS]

00:45:33   that series i just saw the name and I [TS]

00:45:35   didn't actually know the author's name [TS]

00:45:37   to two related to the dresden files even [TS]

00:45:39   though i'd heard of like the TV show and [TS]

00:45:41   it was based on books so I was just [TS]

00:45:44   taking it as if it were a novel on its [TS]

00:45:46   own [TS]

00:45:47   I very quickly realized that it wasn't [TS]

00:45:49   and that i was was jumping in there but [TS]

00:45:50   I mean it started out quickly enough it [TS]

00:45:52   was interesting and fun and it really [TS]

00:45:55   felt more like a ride than a serious [TS]

00:45:57   book and that's not a bad thing I [TS]

00:45:59   enjoyed it but it's not all those p I [TS]

00:46:01   kind of tropes he's like yes between a [TS]

00:46:03   rock and a hard place now he's between a [TS]

00:46:04   rock and a hard place because there's [TS]

00:46:05   like a demon in his brain or something [TS]

00:46:07   but in the end butcher isn't it is in [TS]

00:46:10   this difficult situation where he has to [TS]

00:46:11   do he has to work with somebody who's [TS]

00:46:13   really bad and maybe betray them but he [TS]

00:46:16   has to work with them because he's kind [TS]

00:46:18   of indebted to somebody else who is the [TS]

00:46:20   queen of fall faeries or something but [TS]

00:46:23   you know because reasons because magical [TS]

00:46:25   reasons and he's gotta work he's got a [TS]

00:46:27   simple a team and some of them are [TS]

00:46:29   people who [TS]

00:46:29   what he's working with and some of the [TS]

00:46:31   Martins enemies and that's a nice little [TS]

00:46:33   fun that's a fun set up that and that's [TS]

00:46:36   a perfectly fun kind of you know set up [TS]

00:46:38   for a magical detective novel which is [TS]

00:46:42   basically what this is [TS]

00:46:43   yeah and I think despite the fact that [TS]

00:46:45   it is the 15th book in a series i felt [TS]

00:46:48   like the the explanation of what came [TS]

00:46:51   before was it was doled out to a certain [TS]

00:46:53   Italian little dribs and drabs [TS]

00:46:54   international appropriate to what was [TS]

00:46:57   going on as opposed to the the dumps [TS]

00:46:59   that we got in the in the dark between [TS]

00:47:01   the stars i think that the main [TS]

00:47:04   character while I learned to sort of [TS]

00:47:05   like him more by the end of the book at [TS]

00:47:07   first he's not the most likable guy ever [TS]

00:47:10   but even that sort of falls into the [TS]

00:47:11   mystery story tropes you get your film [TS]

00:47:13   noir detectives who are usually not well [TS]

00:47:15   particularly likeable guy was right and [TS]

00:47:18   he seemed to me he seemed a little bit [TS]

00:47:19   generic and a little bit sexist you know [TS]

00:47:22   like you know if he gets an earring at [TS]

00:47:24   one point in the book and he's he wants [TS]

00:47:26   to make sure that it's in the correct [TS]

00:47:28   ear he refers to his his female friends [TS]

00:47:31   shoes as man shoes like just just little [TS]

00:47:33   things not a huge deal but enough to [TS]

00:47:35   take me out of the story a little bit [TS]

00:47:36   and you know I don't have a problem with [TS]

00:47:38   including characters who are sexist in [TS]

00:47:40   stories because they exist so you know [TS]

00:47:42   they should be represented [TS]

00:47:43   although they're usually [TS]

00:47:44   over-represented but when that character [TS]

00:47:47   is the one whose head were carried [TS]

00:47:48   around in throughout the whole book it [TS]

00:47:50   gets a little bit here to me but when it [TS]

00:47:53   came down to it that there wasn't enough [TS]

00:47:55   of that to bother me and I quite enjoyed [TS]

00:47:57   the turns of phrase in this book you [TS]

00:48:00   know the butcher is good with a quippy [TS]

00:48:01   you know he describes the the movement [TS]

00:48:03   of something by saying it's cuddle [TS]

00:48:05   humped or k mag lumping towards him that [TS]

00:48:08   light full you know he had some nice [TS]

00:48:10   zuma is well-liked lifted my left arm [TS]

00:48:12   along with my will that sort of thing is [TS]

00:48:14   you know such a such a sparkly little [TS]

00:48:17   thing for me that I quite enjoyed [TS]

00:48:18   reading this book [TS]

00:48:19   Scott what do you think i read the whole [TS]

00:48:22   thing so that's going i have a problem [TS]

00:48:29   with this genre in general [TS]

00:48:32   I don't know what is called like urban [TS]

00:48:34   fantasy i guess yeah in that I feel I [TS]

00:48:38   mean it's fun and I think it was it was [TS]

00:48:40   a enjoyed it i read very quickly I [TS]

00:48:43   didn't hi i agree with you Erykah that [TS]

00:48:45   he did a much better job of i had not [TS]

00:48:46   read any of the dresden books before and [TS]

00:48:49   I didn't feel lost like I felt in the [TS]

00:48:51   Anderson book I well I had kind of new [TS]

00:48:54   harry dresden was but I didn't know any [TS]

00:48:57   of this stuff clearly big important [TS]

00:48:58   things that happened at least in the [TS]

00:48:59   previous book that shaped this book but [TS]

00:49:02   he did a good job of kind of recapping [TS]

00:49:05   that and I didn't feel like you know it [TS]

00:49:07   was like here's the cliff notes of the [TS]

00:49:08   previous novel and here's jump in my [TS]

00:49:11   problem with this genre in general is I [TS]

00:49:13   always feel like something awesome [TS]

00:49:16   happens and then in the next chapter [TS]

00:49:18   it's like well i have to one up that so [TS]

00:49:20   something even more also happens and [TS]

00:49:22   then it's just like highly on and on and [TS]

00:49:24   on and I just get exhausted by the end [TS]

00:49:26   of it one of the like one of the year i [TS]

00:49:29   read very little urban fantasy but I do [TS]

00:49:30   read a series of the iron rude which is [TS]

00:49:35   by what's that kevin hearne I think his [TS]

00:49:37   name's and these are not award-winning [TS]

00:49:39   books but there a lot of fun and he has [TS]

00:49:41   you know the gods come and everybody's [TS]

00:49:44   like killing God left and right and then [TS]

00:49:45   the more gods are killed that it's just [TS]

00:49:48   it gets exhausting but it's fun [TS]

00:49:50   do I think that this should be nominated [TS]

00:49:53   for Hugo well it is so you know I can't [TS]

00:49:56   fight reality but I don't think it [TS]

00:49:58   should be on the list but yeah yeah I'm [TS]

00:50:01   with you there as much as I enjoyed it [TS]

00:50:02   it is not [TS]

00:50:03   yeah I also would not have run two [TS]

00:50:05   places to a denominator we have to get [TS]

00:50:09   to the nominated place wherever that is [TS]

00:50:11   the play might pick up the next book in [TS]

00:50:13   the series but but yeah yeah okay let's [TS]

00:50:18   move on to the three-body problem by [TS]

00:50:20   c-section Lou China's foremost ? science [TS]

00:50:26   fiction writer translated by ken loo who [TS]

00:50:28   is a whore award-winning [TS]

00:50:29   english-language science fiction writer [TS]

00:50:32   in his own right again not nebula [TS]

00:50:35   nominated Scott my have talked about it [TS]

00:50:37   before Erica would you think of this one [TS]

00:50:41   I enjoyed it i wanted to give ken loo a [TS]

00:50:43   huge high five for all of the awesome [TS]

00:50:45   footnotes [TS]

00:50:46   because you know it starts out talking [TS]

00:50:47   about chinese history that I absolutely [TS]

00:50:50   never came into contact with in any of [TS]

00:50:52   my schooling so it was it was very [TS]

00:50:55   helpful to to have you know judicious [TS]

00:50:57   use of footnotes so that I I i learned [TS]

00:51:00   to the things that I needed to know for [TS]

00:51:01   to make the context of this story makes [TS]

00:51:04   sense i thought it was i was intrigued [TS]

00:51:07   by the mystery of it I thought it was [TS]

00:51:09   elegant the physics there's a lot of [TS]

00:51:11   physics and they went over my head and [TS]

00:51:14   made it feel a little bit dry [TS]

00:51:16   I i look at this book as more like a [TS]

00:51:19   piece of art than any of the rest of [TS]

00:51:21   them but as far as pure enjoyment factor [TS]

00:51:23   i didn't get as much out of it because [TS]

00:51:25   it did feel good it felt like something [TS]

00:51:28   that should be hanging on a wall and [TS]

00:51:29   museum as opposed to something i'm [TS]

00:51:30   getting dirty with and really getting [TS]

00:51:32   into I didn't feel enveloped in the [TS]

00:51:34   world the way I did some of the others [TS]

00:51:36   David I i really enjoyed the perpetrator [TS]

00:51:40   was no real hard sci-fi novel mom and I [TS]

00:51:45   mean that that to me one of the first [TS]

00:51:46   thing I think of when I think he goes is [TS]

00:51:48   hard sci-fi many other all these other [TS]

00:51:51   things too but this just this this felt [TS]

00:51:55   like a book that i'm going to read again [TS]

00:51:56   because I do want to serve get the [TS]

00:52:00   physics of it and I want to believe it's [TS]

00:52:02   one of those books where I think I'll [TS]

00:52:04   enjoy it even more knowing where it's [TS]

00:52:07   going so i can pay attention in the [TS]

00:52:09   beginning part like i'm not going to [TS]

00:52:12   read a dresden files novel because it's [TS]

00:52:15   easy to grasp it didn't quite pull me in [TS]

00:52:18   the way ancillary sword did and I mean [TS]

00:52:21   part of that again now that you had the [TS]

00:52:22   grounding of ancillary justice to pull [TS]

00:52:25   you in there but this this might be my [TS]

00:52:28   second favorite [TS]

00:52:29   I mean as much as I enjoyed the Goblin [TS]

00:52:31   Emperor again you know just I I think [TS]

00:52:33   sci-fi when I think you goes and I like [TS]

00:52:37   it with with an asterisk let's put it [TS]

00:52:40   that way because because i think i'm [TS]

00:52:41   gonna go back and reread it now Scott [TS]

00:52:44   you and I talked about this in the [TS]

00:52:45   nebula podcast and one of the things [TS]

00:52:48   that I think we we agreed on is one of [TS]

00:52:51   the nice things about this book is that [TS]

00:52:53   yet it it exposes you to some some [TS]

00:52:56   things that that you you [TS]

00:52:58   aren't usually exposed to and it makes [TS]

00:53:01   you feel like a little bit of an [TS]

00:53:02   outsider and you have to figure out [TS]

00:53:04   what's going on and being an American [TS]

00:53:06   reading a Chinese novel and having to [TS]

00:53:09   you know know a lot more about the [TS]

00:53:11   cultural revolution and things like that [TS]

00:53:13   it's that that is a one of the joys I [TS]

00:53:16   think of reading science fiction in [TS]

00:53:17   general is just is thinking in a [TS]

00:53:20   different way and and putting yourself [TS]

00:53:22   in a kind of an uncomfortable spot and I [TS]

00:53:26   think this book does that [TS]

00:53:27   yes and I think we also agree that it [TS]

00:53:29   feels like maybe it's from a slightly [TS]

00:53:32   different areas of the other hired [TS]

00:53:34   science fiction and nothing there's [TS]

00:53:36   nothing wrong with that at all i think [TS]

00:53:37   it's a great book it is probably my [TS]

00:53:39   second favorite book of this list and I [TS]

00:53:41   look forward to reading the rest of the [TS]

00:53:42   trilogy it struck me as like a seventies [TS]

00:53:46   almost kind of yeah [TS]

00:53:48   Blackie big idea the gods themselves [TS]

00:53:50   kind of thing [TS]

00:53:52   it feels very arthur c clarke to me but [TS]

00:53:54   but like good arthur c clarke yeah I [TS]

00:53:57   think out of out of all the books [TS]

00:53:59   nominated this is the only one that [TS]

00:54:01   really made me feel like I was [TS]

00:54:02   stretching and it made me grow just to [TS]

00:54:05   read it so while I wouldn't say it's my [TS]

00:54:07   second favorite over the books but i [TS]

00:54:09   think i would rank it second when i'm [TS]

00:54:11   doing the voting because I feel like [TS]

00:54:13   like you said this is one of the best [TS]

00:54:15   things about science fiction is the fact [TS]

00:54:16   that it puts you into a new place into a [TS]

00:54:18   new head space and and i like that i did [TS]

00:54:21   that if it if it could have done that [TS]

00:54:23   and also wrapped me up in the world the [TS]

00:54:25   way say the Goblin Emperor did then it [TS]

00:54:27   would be you know number one with a [TS]

00:54:28   bullet but in this case it's a it was it [TS]

00:54:31   was it was beautiful but cold like me [TS]

00:54:33   I'd so this book has a little bit about [TS]

00:54:34   I don't want to say learning curve but [TS]

00:54:37   because it does have a learning curve [TS]

00:54:39   but also i wanted to say I I came around [TS]

00:54:43   on it i was i was down on it a hundred [TS]

00:54:47   pages and hundred fifty pages and i [TS]

00:54:48   thought that that some of the characters [TS]

00:54:51   were just ridiculously kind of broad and [TS]

00:54:53   other characters were non you know [TS]

00:54:55   non-persons just completely not there [TS]

00:54:57   and that the premise of the the kind of [TS]

00:55:00   virtual reality game was dumb and then I [TS]

00:55:04   waited another hundred fifty pages and [TS]

00:55:07   then I i turned around on it and said oh [TS]

00:55:10   no ok like someone [TS]

00:55:12   premise stuff like a guy sees numbers [TS]

00:55:14   counting down in his vision and I'm [TS]

00:55:16   thinking you know this is ridiculous [TS]

00:55:18   they're never gonna figure they're never [TS]

00:55:20   going to address this it's never going [TS]

00:55:21   to be explained why this happens this is [TS]

00:55:23   just something to make us feel creepy [TS]

00:55:24   and is absolutely explained in hook and [TS]

00:55:29   so I I came around a lot of those a lot [TS]

00:55:31   of those issues that turned around on in [TS]

00:55:32   fact the cop who I didn't like at all [TS]

00:55:34   because I thought he was such a [TS]

00:55:35   ridiculous character at the beginning I [TS]

00:55:37   ended up loving that streetwise cop who [TS]

00:55:39   kind of knows you know him yeah he knows [TS]

00:55:41   what's going on the street man i ended [TS]

00:55:43   up really liking him by the end so it [TS]

00:55:46   was it was a funny turn where I really [TS]

00:55:48   went from kind of not liking it and [TS]

00:55:50   thinking oh geez I'm gonna have to read [TS]

00:55:52   this whole thing to end up really [TS]

00:55:55   changing my tune by the middle of it [TS]

00:55:57   really not by the end but by the middle [TS]

00:55:59   yeah it takes a little while to get [TS]

00:56:00   going but once once it does it just [TS]

00:56:02   takes off and I mean it was check out [TS]

00:56:05   this guy [TS]

00:56:06   counting down numbers yeah sure but it [TS]

00:56:09   just seemed like whether things like [TS]

00:56:10   wouldn't it be weird and then it never [TS]

00:56:12   gets explained but it totally got [TS]

00:56:13   explained so that was actually kind of a [TS]

00:56:16   nice moment and that that's the kind of [TS]

00:56:17   thing I like you know the pop the [TS]

00:56:20   popcorn writing doesn't have that no no [TS]

00:56:22   and you know I i mentioned that the [TS]

00:56:24   physics in the math and stuff was over [TS]

00:56:25   my head and that is true but it wasn't [TS]

00:56:28   so over my head that I didn't understand [TS]

00:56:30   what was going on the book he did a [TS]

00:56:31   really nice job of balancing that so [TS]

00:56:33   that I I felt like even though I didn't [TS]

00:56:35   understand the math I understood the way [TS]

00:56:37   that the math was being applied to the [TS]

00:56:39   world in this story so uh let's let's go [TS]

00:56:43   over just before we move on we talked [TS]

00:56:46   about ranking are you going to rank [TS]

00:56:47   these David um yeah I'm torn between [TS]

00:56:51   three body problem and ancillary sword [TS]

00:56:53   but it will be one of those two and then [TS]

00:56:55   goblin Emperor alright and then no word [TS]

00:56:59   and then no one [TS]

00:56:59   Erica I yeah I'm definitely putting the [TS]

00:57:03   Goblin Emperor first and then and then [TS]

00:57:06   three body problem and then probably [TS]

00:57:08   ancillary sword that made that might [TS]

00:57:11   make the no award Barker might not have [TS]

00:57:13   to think about it [TS]

00:57:14   scott i will put the Goblin Empire [TS]

00:57:19   Emperor [TS]

00:57:20   three body problem ancillary sword skin [TS]

00:57:23   games i did enjoy it then no award I i'm [TS]

00:57:28   doing what Scott's doing almost got [TS]

00:57:30   remember all the way who all right so uh [TS]

00:57:34   let's talk about the short fiction [TS]

00:57:36   categories [TS]

00:57:38   uh I don't know how long this will take [TS]

00:57:43   if you would like to talk about [TS]

00:57:44   particularly things in short fiction [TS]

00:57:46   category a place read almost everything [TS]

00:57:48   so I'm ready [TS]

00:57:50   oh ok i am I read some of it i didn't [TS]

00:57:55   find a single thing that I liked ya read [TS]

00:57:58   I read all the short stories I read one [TS]

00:58:03   and one-quarter of the novel it's a [TS]

00:58:07   house it's championship batak that is [TS]

00:58:10   the quarters at everything yes yes I [TS]

00:58:16   found it interesting and I like military [TS]

00:58:19   science fiction i know that i think that [TS]

00:58:23   there are certain aspects of the [TS]

00:58:25   science-fiction community I think that [TS]

00:58:27   military science fiction doesn't get the [TS]

00:58:29   respect that it deserves and that may [TS]

00:58:31   explain why there's so much military [TS]

00:58:32   science fiction on this list but there [TS]

00:58:35   is a difference between good military [TS]

00:58:38   science fiction and bad military science [TS]

00:58:40   fiction and i felt like i was reading a [TS]

00:58:42   lot of bad military science yeah yeah I [TS]

00:58:45   thought big boys don't cry which that's [TS]

00:58:48   the one that's about that like sentient [TS]

00:58:50   tank right I decibel the 1i gave up on [TS]

00:58:54   that was that was that was really bad a [TS]

00:58:57   championship to talk i I didn't like it [TS]

00:58:59   all and gave up on and then was again [TS]

00:59:03   one of these things that I felt very old [TS]

00:59:04   school and had a whole big list of lots [TS]

00:59:07   of complicated alien races and [TS]

00:59:09   characters that I didn't really I felt [TS]

00:59:13   that again like I had been dropped down [TS]

00:59:15   in a series that have been going on for [TS]

00:59:17   20 years and had lots of detail and yet [TS]

00:59:19   was all very like thirties cereal kind [TS]

00:59:25   of stuff with villains and element like [TS]

00:59:28   many of these felt like maybe the [TS]

00:59:30   novelettes and novellas felt like a [TS]

00:59:32   chapter in something that was [TS]

00:59:34   much much larger and not in the way that [TS]

00:59:36   a not like an installment of a novel as [TS]

00:59:39   part of a series does because when you [TS]

00:59:41   get that usually have a very discreet [TS]

00:59:43   beginning middle and end maybe not the [TS]

00:59:45   dark between the stars but you can you [TS]

00:59:48   feel like you've had a story that fits [TS]

00:59:50   into bigger stories and i did not get [TS]

00:59:53   that feeling with a lot of these novels [TS]

00:59:55   novellas and novelettes because it [TS]

00:59:57   really just felt like the next page [TS]

00:59:59   after [TS]

00:59:59   after [TS]

01:00:00   ended would have completely flown on it [TS]

01:00:02   wouldn't have been starting anything new [TS]

01:00:03   did have a moment when i started reading [TS]

01:00:05   champion ship [TS]

01:00:07   haha if I hope involved Klingons I [TS]

01:00:10   didn't think there was any Klingon zone [TS]

01:00:11   where I thought is this file missing [TS]

01:00:15   something did i start in the wrong place [TS]

01:00:18   i don't really get what's going on here [TS]

01:00:20   it felt like there's a lot more to the [TS]

01:00:23   story that particular interest in [TS]

01:00:25   reading more of it but i felt like i was [TS]

01:00:27   only getting part of yeah there's that [TS]

01:00:29   that particular one also had one theme [TS]

01:00:33   that i found that was kind of careening [TS]

01:00:36   through all of these a sad puppy or [TS]

01:00:38   rather rapid puppy entries on the ballot [TS]

01:00:41   was a fear of transhumanism there's like [TS]

01:00:44   just about every one of these stories no [TS]

01:00:45   matter which author was by there was [TS]

01:00:47   something in here that was you know [TS]

01:00:49   where humanity is the best in it and the [TS]

01:00:51   farther we move away from good old [TS]

01:00:52   humans is you know things are going to [TS]

01:00:54   go bad and things are going to get scary [TS]

01:00:55   and and you know robots and artificial [TS]

01:00:58   intelligence are the the way of the [TS]

01:00:59   devil sometimes literally so yeah I [TS]

01:01:03   thought it was interesting that that one [TS]

01:01:05   of the reasons that that a lot of these [TS]

01:01:07   works were put forward is because in the [TS]

01:01:09   past few years apparently you know that [TS]

01:01:11   the social justice folks have put have [TS]

01:01:14   put message fiction on the ballot and I [TS]

01:01:15   think message fiction doesn't belong [TS]

01:01:17   there and then i'm reading all these and [TS]

01:01:18   going what do you think this is this [TS]

01:01:20   message fiction it's a different message [TS]

01:01:22   yeah and it's I mean star trek his [TS]

01:01:25   message fiction you know but it's good [TS]

01:01:29   uh and and it doesn't it doesn't always [TS]

01:01:31   tell the same message sometimes it has [TS]

01:01:32   different messages its ok so the the one [TS]

01:01:36   the one short fiction that was not on [TS]

01:01:38   any of the puppy slates is by a past [TS]

01:01:42   nominee couple of times including some [TS]

01:01:43   stuff that I like Thomas old who was it [TS]

01:01:46   who built who is a dutch and it's [TS]

01:01:49   translated the day the world world turns [TS]

01:01:50   upside down and I don't know whether [TS]

01:01:53   it's it was my bad attitude or whether [TS]

01:01:56   it was just the general stink wafting [TS]

01:01:58   wafting from all these categories but i [TS]

01:02:00   thought it wasn't wasn't any good either [TS]

01:02:02   and that's from that's from a non yeah I [TS]

01:02:04   thought that I thought that it was awful [TS]

01:02:06   see I enjoyed it this is the same same [TS]

01:02:09   story as the one about when [TS]

01:02:13   do when they're it rains when you lie [TS]

01:02:15   it's actually ending story actually have [TS]

01:02:18   that in my notes and i love that story [TS]

01:02:21   so much to me this was the one that just [TS]

01:02:23   seemed to have been written with ease [TS]

01:02:26   like I flowed through this and I did not [TS]

01:02:28   want to stop it more than any of the [TS]

01:02:30   others that actually made me feel things [TS]

01:02:31   and it wasn't always pleasant things in [TS]

01:02:33   fact most of it was downright painful [TS]

01:02:35   but it really really spoke to me and [TS]

01:02:38   like you said Jason it did remind me [TS]

01:02:40   especially at the beginning a little bit [TS]

01:02:42   of the water that falls on you from [TS]

01:02:43   nowhere [TS]

01:02:43   yeah that's the end because I it seemed [TS]

01:02:46   like it was going to be an emotional [TS]

01:02:47   story that just happens to take place [TS]

01:02:49   against a backdrop or something strange [TS]

01:02:51   had happened and it kinda is but I feel [TS]

01:02:55   like this story more than the other one [TS]

01:02:57   focused a lot more on the physical [TS]

01:02:58   aspects of dealing with the world that [TS]

01:03:00   had literally turned upside down so I I [TS]

01:03:03   liked that and I also kind of had [TS]

01:03:04   trouble wrapping my head around it in a [TS]

01:03:06   good way I i don't know if i would have [TS]

01:03:09   put it on my own nomination ballot if i [TS]

01:03:11   would have read it in time I do think [TS]

01:03:13   it's worthy to be here but yeah I i [TS]

01:03:17   enjoyed it i just i didn't go quite as [TS]

01:03:19   gaga over it as i did like save the [TS]

01:03:21   waterfalls and you from nowhere [TS]

01:03:23   wow this is the author who wrote the [TS]

01:03:25   story about the boy was made of glass [TS]

01:03:27   oh yeah Jason yes that's what their that [TS]

01:03:29   1i have an outright which I think was [TS]

01:03:32   probably would have been on the list of [TS]

01:03:34   the of the various puppies about a bit [TS]

01:03:36   it's a it's a message trying to thank to [TS]

01:03:39   but you know yeah yeah I didn't didn't [TS]

01:03:42   didn't didn't go for me didn't work for [TS]

01:03:43   me I didn't want to say I found on a [TS]

01:03:47   spiritual bolt on a spiritual plane [TS]

01:03:50   interesting if not particularly artful I [TS]

01:03:56   thought it was kind of an interesting [TS]

01:03:57   idea of of this strange planet where the [TS]

01:04:02   concept of death of these aliens is [TS]

01:04:05   totally different and I i kinda like [TS]

01:04:07   because that could last year there were [TS]

01:04:08   there was a bread torgersen story that [TS]

01:04:10   was similarly about up uh you know some [TS]

01:04:14   sort of a religious person who is on the [TS]

01:04:16   station on a military ship around a [TS]

01:04:18   planet somewhere and I candle i kinda [TS]

01:04:20   like those ideas of like what is this [TS]

01:04:23   what is this what is this religious [TS]

01:04:25   person [TS]

01:04:26   have to do this this pastor this [TS]

01:04:27   Reverend what's their their job that [TS]

01:04:30   they're that they're doing out of the [TS]

01:04:31   edges of space where where many of the [TS]

01:04:34   things they've been taught might be [TS]

01:04:35   called into question so i kind of am a [TS]

01:04:37   sucker for that I didn't think it was [TS]

01:04:39   sort of it was short and it got its idea [TS]

01:04:44   across I don't like i said i don't know [TS]

01:04:45   if it was particularly artful but I [TS]

01:04:47   didn't dislike it like I just like so [TS]

01:04:49   much that i that i read i like the idea [TS]

01:04:53   of that one although I thought the [TS]

01:04:55   payoff of basically the chaplain becomes [TS]

01:04:57   a you know his job is now to segue to [TS]

01:04:59   Stonehenge so that people can go to [TS]

01:05:01   heaven seemed kind of like an [TS]

01:05:04   anticlimactic ending spoiler understand [TS]

01:05:07   so anything for her if you're honest but [TS]

01:05:09   your plane i really liked the idea and I [TS]

01:05:11   felt like he could have written a much [TS]

01:05:14   deeper mandatory that would've been more [TS]

01:05:16   satisfied [TS]

01:05:17   although as my I've always fine well i [TS]

01:05:19   didn't know i mean obviously I'm aware [TS]

01:05:21   of the whole sad puppy rabbit puppy [TS]

01:05:23   thing but i did not know anything that [TS]

01:05:24   was on the slate and I did not go [TS]

01:05:26   looking for it because I thought that [TS]

01:05:28   what color my perceptions and I wanted [TS]

01:05:30   to judge it based is what it was as a [TS]

01:05:33   work you put on your black robe got your [TS]

01:05:36   Apple well no I really believe that and [TS]

01:05:41   the work should stand on its own right [TS]

01:05:42   it doesn't matter what the authors [TS]

01:05:45   intent was or what their political [TS]

01:05:46   leanings are or where they hang out with [TS]

01:05:49   hooch or who decided to champion them [TS]

01:05:51   yeah exactly i don't care about any of [TS]

01:05:53   that I just want to read something that [TS]

01:05:54   is good and I thought it was almost good [TS]

01:05:57   whereas for me i was i was actually ok [TS]

01:06:00   letting the the way that the story got [TS]

01:06:04   onto the ballot factor into it for my I [TS]

01:06:06   kind of wanted that that extra you know [TS]

01:06:08   if you if somebody's willing to to stand [TS]

01:06:11   with that crowd then I am willing to [TS]

01:06:14   hold that against them so that is your [TS]

01:06:17   right [TS]

01:06:18   yep i don't know I i think it's fine for [TS]

01:06:21   for people to say i don't feel right [TS]

01:06:22   taking this nomination because of how [TS]

01:06:25   how it happened where there was a block [TS]

01:06:28   but I i have a hard time holding it [TS]

01:06:30   against somebody who has you know who [TS]

01:06:33   didn't didn't advocate for it and gets [TS]

01:06:35   got picked and has always want to be [TS]

01:06:37   nominated it's it's it's hard for me to [TS]

01:06:39   find [TS]

01:06:39   ultimately i think i agree completely [TS]

01:06:41   with Scott it really is in the it is in [TS]

01:06:43   the work speaking which I'll mention [TS]

01:06:45   another nominated short story totals by [TS]

01:06:48   Carrie English for about I don't know [TS]

01:06:50   eight years i published short story [TS]

01:06:51   magazine on the internet called [TS]

01:06:53   intertext and what I will say is that's [TS]

01:06:55   not a story I would have even accepted [TS]

01:06:56   for text which didn't pay its writers so [TS]

01:06:59   i think i liked it ok I thought I like [TS]

01:07:02   the I liked the story at the idea of the [TS]

01:07:05   story itself more than the writing then [TS]

01:07:07   it came out sort of like if somebody [TS]

01:07:09   else had taken that idea and written a [TS]

01:07:12   story around it i think i would have [TS]

01:07:13   really liked it [TS]

01:07:14   yeah I actually read goodnight stars by [TS]

01:07:17   any ballot because i was i was looking [TS]

01:07:20   at an old version of what was on the [TS]

01:07:21   list at first and then I realized that [TS]

01:07:24   she had asked to have her story removed [TS]

01:07:25   and I'm kind of glad she did because [TS]

01:07:27   like it would have broken my heart to [TS]

01:07:30   feel like I should put it under know [TS]

01:07:31   works i really liked that story so I'm [TS]

01:07:33   gonna go and find some more stuff by her [TS]

01:07:35   all right anything else we want to talk [TS]

01:07:37   about about the short fiction if you if [TS]

01:07:39   you read it and you want to have a [TS]

01:07:40   comment about it now is your chance the [TS]

01:07:41   parliament of beasts and birds is awful [TS]

01:07:43   okay maybe that doesn't even begin to [TS]

01:07:46   cover it [TS]

01:07:47   I i was just going to say I learned from [TS]

01:07:50   a cartoon rabbit many years ago if you [TS]

01:07:52   can't say something nice don't say [TS]

01:07:54   nothing at all [TS]

01:07:56   I disagree haha i'm excited for them are [TS]

01:08:01   sure to be nominated but part of being [TS]

01:08:03   nominated as people are going to judge [TS]

01:08:05   your work right and that is part and [TS]

01:08:07   parcel with it so you John seabright [TS]

01:08:10   wrote an awful story is that makes no [TS]

01:08:15   sense [TS]

01:08:15   he was nominated several times a record [TS]

01:08:17   number of times several several awful [TS]

01:08:19   stories [TS]

01:08:20   oh my god if if the pros in that story [TS]

01:08:22   was any more purple it would be waving [TS]

01:08:24   flag and marketing friday which he would [TS]

01:08:26   hate I'm sure as a yes [TS]

01:08:28   jhansi right I I you know he got [TS]

01:08:30   nominated because he has an outspoken [TS]

01:08:31   Catholic who thinks that homosexuality [TS]

01:08:34   is a sin and not because he's a good [TS]

01:08:37   writer so I I knew nothing about him [TS]

01:08:40   other than I knew he was nominated a [TS]

01:08:42   record number of times and I think I own [TS]

01:08:45   one of his books I have read it and [TS]

01:08:48   reading this short story makes me not [TS]

01:08:50   want to recreate freaking man is it [TS]

01:08:53   awful i also read pale red realms of [TS]

01:08:56   shade which it just is no also not good [TS]

01:09:01   at it was not as bad [TS]

01:09:02   not a high bar there but yeah but [TS]

01:09:06   because of like just after reading those [TS]

01:09:07   2i I could not bring myself to read any [TS]

01:09:10   of the other record number of [TS]

01:09:11   nominations him so that is that is where [TS]

01:09:13   I i jumped off the ship two nominations [TS]

01:09:15   your limit [TS]

01:09:17   yeah it is well when it like that yes [TS]

01:09:20   all right yep a single samurai like the [TS]

01:09:22   idea of its I didn't think it was all [TS]

01:09:26   that great but i thought there were some [TS]

01:09:29   interesting images if you like a giant [TS]

01:09:32   monsters and samurai which I do [TS]

01:09:35   yes the short story will be an enjoyable [TS]

01:09:37   15 minutes okay and turn coach was [TS]

01:09:41   obvious i really like i should say i [TS]

01:09:47   once again I like military science [TS]

01:09:49   fiction [TS]

01:09:49   I like a sentient ships of all for it [TS]

01:09:54   I thought this book this book the short [TS]

01:09:56   story was trying to tell me a message [TS]

01:10:00   that was obvious that I disagreed with [TS]

01:10:02   and that the ending was so playing well [TS]

01:10:07   I'm turncoat is it's in the title it was [TS]

01:10:11   predictable boiler is her show [TS]

01:10:14   that's right boilers for those who have [TS]

01:10:16   registered not read the short story or [TS]

01:10:18   seen in style [TS]

01:10:19   it also so full of cold descriptions and [TS]

01:10:22   mechanical actions and list of web [TS]

01:10:24   address and i actually wrote down one of [TS]

01:10:26   the one of the quotes Admiral help [TS]

01:10:28   please accept my apologies for the [TS]

01:10:29   unexpected intrusion [TS]

01:10:31   my designation is TX 4 5 D 6 280 dash [TS]

01:10:35   9555 dash 11 III dash BFA seven dash [TS]

01:10:39   0002 a5 b5 c-51 be as i was reading this [TS]

01:10:44   one I did think boy Jason will hate this [TS]

01:10:46   yeah I i am not a fan of the nuts and [TS]

01:10:49   bolts of the let me tell you about all [TS]

01:10:51   of the specific ammunition being fired [TS]

01:10:53   by this gun which big boys don't cry [TS]

01:10:55   does a lot of and that [TS]

01:10:57   may not like it turncoat because a lot [TS]

01:10:59   of it too yeah just not a fan of that [TS]

01:11:00   not a fan of that which is you know [TS]

01:11:02   again I think there's some really good [TS]

01:11:04   military science fiction but the the [TS]

01:11:06   ones that really are all about the [TS]

01:11:08   armaments and the hardware and the [TS]

01:11:10   details of how they work [TS]

01:11:12   they're made up weapons I just doesn't [TS]

01:11:14   work for me so I here's here's my bold [TS]

01:11:16   statement i am going to vote no award in [TS]

01:11:18   all of the short fiction categories [TS]

01:11:20   yep i'm gonna put the day the world [TS]

01:11:22   turned upside down on mine but that's [TS]

01:11:24   the only alright I i need to read the [TS]

01:11:27   rest of them before i can make a [TS]

01:11:29   judgment yeah i will allow read a single [TS]

01:11:31   samurai to see if I enjoy you might like [TS]

01:11:34   it [TS]

01:11:35   monsters and Samurai it's a bit [TS]

01:11:37   heavy-handed but uh uh but i will not [TS]

01:11:39   return code because Scott's already told [TS]

01:11:41   me enough [TS]

01:11:42   dr. to do that before we run we should [TS]

01:11:44   go go through some of the more popular [TS]

01:11:46   categories by which things that people [TS]

01:11:48   out there who may not read science [TS]

01:11:50   fiction short stories may have actually [TS]

01:11:51   read or seen just to see if you guys I [TS]

01:11:55   don't know if you guys have have have [TS]

01:11:57   opinions in these but we'll run through [TS]

01:11:58   them really quickly best graphic story [TS]

01:12:00   category nominees i will run through the [TS]

01:12:05   ms marvel by willow Wilson and Adrian [TS]

01:12:08   fona I I'm big a big fan of that whole [TS]

01:12:12   reboot of the character of ms marvel to [TS]

01:12:15   make her [TS]

01:12:16   Kamala Khan she's in New Jersey there's [TS]

01:12:18   a mist gives her powers [TS]

01:12:21   her parents are and she is there are [TS]

01:12:24   different pakistan and they're somewhat [TS]

01:12:26   strict and and they want her to dress a [TS]

01:12:29   certain way and not leave the house at [TS]

01:12:31   certain times and it makes in [TS]

01:12:33   traditional Marvel style makes it [TS]

01:12:35   complicated for her to be a superhero [TS]

01:12:37   and I don't know if any of you read [TS]

01:12:39   those but it's good that i haven't read [TS]

01:12:41   i haven't done a whole lot of comics [TS]

01:12:43   lately so it was just kind of like a [TS]

01:12:45   butt gorged myself on all of these and [TS]

01:12:47   that was that was my favorite of all of [TS]

01:12:49   them i just ate it suck me and I've [TS]

01:12:50   never felt that that guy i've never [TS]

01:12:53   really liked superhero comics to begin [TS]

01:12:55   with so I was not looking forward to [TS]

01:12:57   reading this one but it really grabbed [TS]

01:12:59   me and I I related to her and we've [TS]

01:13:02   never related to a superhero comic [TS]

01:13:05   before except for alias but that's a [TS]

01:13:06   little different so yeah [TS]

01:13:08   thumbs up for that one for me uh [TS]

01:13:10   anybody read rat Queens I did you think [TS]

01:13:14   it was cute [TS]

01:13:15   yeah I I thought it was it was because [TS]

01:13:18   it was entertaining i liked the fact [TS]

01:13:21   that they was the main characters were [TS]

01:13:23   all were all women but it was very much [TS]

01:13:25   sort of written in a way that it I felt [TS]

01:13:28   like perhaps it could have just been [TS]

01:13:30   these characters were all written as men [TS]

01:13:32   and then just change the the genders in [TS]

01:13:34   the names because they didn't actually [TS]

01:13:36   feel like like me i didn't i didn't feel [TS]

01:13:39   like I related to those those characters [TS]

01:13:41   at all i'm sure there are plenty of [TS]

01:13:42   women out there who do I just didn't [TS]

01:13:44   play for me quite as well as something [TS]

01:13:46   like molecule ended saga vol.3 bryan [TS]

01:13:51   cave on Fiona staples i think one recent [TS]

01:13:55   Hugo one of the more praised comics of [TS]

01:13:59   the last few years I i love the volume 1 [TS]

01:14:02   volume 2 and I loved vol.3 yeah i would [TS]

01:14:05   i would say I kind of got stuck it out [TS]

01:14:07   ok I I like it but um it as it's gone [TS]

01:14:12   I've cooled to it again I think it's [TS]

01:14:14   great but it's not my enthusiasm is not [TS]

01:14:17   what it was when it started out I feel [TS]

01:14:20   like you know it's a saga i'll come back [TS]

01:14:22   to it but I you know but vol volume 3 [TS]

01:14:25   didn't do it for me like 12 did I did [TS]

01:14:28   not read volume one or two I just read [TS]

01:14:30   volume-wise yeah i mean i normally [TS]

01:14:33   that's not that's not the way I do [TS]

01:14:34   things but I figured it is it is [TS]

01:14:36   nominated for a hugo award on its own so [TS]

01:14:39   I'm going to read it on its own and see [TS]

01:14:40   how it works and it was ok um I I still [TS]

01:14:44   don't feel like I know quite what's [TS]

01:14:46   going on in that universe it took me a [TS]

01:14:48   lot longer to figure it out and get my [TS]

01:14:51   footing then I sort of expected it too [TS]

01:14:54   so i'm not sure that it i'm not sure [TS]

01:14:57   that it works too well on its own but i [TS]

01:14:58   think still think it was quite good i [TS]

01:15:00   think it's consistent actually with the [TS]

01:15:01   other the this is not a series that [TS]

01:15:03   makes it easy and there's not a lot of [TS]

01:15:05   downloading you have to pick up like in [TS]

01:15:07   a panel you'll be like oh I wonder if [TS]

01:15:10   that's what that means [TS]

01:15:11   and that's you sort of its it's not i [TS]

01:15:14   mean i'm sure would be much clearer if [TS]

01:15:15   you'd start with volume 1 volume 3 but [TS]

01:15:18   it is it is kind of like that in that [TS]

01:15:20   day they don't they don't hand it to you [TS]

01:15:22   I like to know [TS]

01:15:23   that I may actually go back and read the [TS]

01:15:25   first couple of volumes are good so you [TS]

01:15:27   like that so the him that worked [TS]

01:15:29   there's people with horns and people [TS]

01:15:30   with wings and TV heads [TS]

01:15:33   NP and robots with TV ads but i have i [TS]

01:15:36   read the first two volumes now did you [TS]

01:15:39   like it [TS]

01:15:40   I i did I don't really felt compelled to [TS]

01:15:42   read the third 1i so there you go [TS]

01:15:45   mhm and that Scott who doesn't even read [TS]

01:15:47   the funny books so let's go i was [TS]

01:15:49   listening to an uncomfortable huh [TS]

01:15:51   book club well today we got it so great [TS]

01:15:53   and I was like I really should be comic [TS]

01:15:55   books because or whatever they're called [TS]

01:15:57   now graphic novel and whatever [TS]

01:15:58   countertop because everybody keeps [TS]

01:16:01   talking about them and clearly i missing [TS]

01:16:02   something and so I read these anybody [TS]

01:16:04   that my problem and this just me is that [TS]

01:16:06   I read them like i read a novel so i [TS]

01:16:08   just read all of the dialogue and ignore [TS]

01:16:10   all the pictures of herself and I [TS]

01:16:12   missing something [TS]

01:16:13   I I don't think I'm cut out for comic [TS]

01:16:16   book material sex criminals by matt [TS]

01:16:18   fraction and chips art Starsky i I've [TS]

01:16:22   read this I liked it a lot i didn't love [TS]

01:16:24   it but I like it I like its humor it is [TS]

01:16:28   to people who discovered that when they [TS]

01:16:31   have orgasms they can stop time and it's [TS]

01:16:34   a man and a woman and then they meet and [TS]

01:16:36   then the fun begins [TS]

01:16:37   because they can rob banks and have sex [TS]

01:16:41   in the bank is really what else would [TS]

01:16:43   you do me really i liked it i thought it [TS]

01:16:46   was I thought it was fun i agree it was [TS]

01:16:48   funny it made me laugh it was it was [TS]

01:16:50   clever i also would not say that i loved [TS]

01:16:52   it i feel like you know it despite the [TS]

01:16:56   fact that i said that i really love [TS]

01:16:57   beginnings and starting things out and [TS]

01:16:59   the the discovery is what i enjoy i feel [TS]

01:17:01   like that's not the case here because [TS]

01:17:04   the the first section is just ramping up [TS]

01:17:07   to something else happening in in the [TS]

01:17:10   second installment and and I feel like [TS]

01:17:12   I'm actually more excited to see where [TS]

01:17:14   this is going [TS]

01:17:15   then when I was 22 see how it was was [TS]

01:17:18   all starting out I enjoyed it i mean i-i [TS]

01:17:20   love heist i love good criminals i love [TS]

01:17:23   orgasms so you know it's there you go [TS]

01:17:25   it's there it's got everything it all [TS]

01:17:27   its got it off but again you know it was [TS]

01:17:30   good not great i love orgasms raves [TS]

01:17:33   David lower of income from ya [TS]

01:17:35   that's that's the best full quote ever [TS]

01:17:37   put that with a line about how ascot [TS]

01:17:39   learned everything from showtimes [TS]

01:17:40   masters of sex [TS]

01:17:42   the hits just keep on coming let's talk [TS]

01:17:46   about dramatic presentations we have in [TS]

01:17:51   this category i'll just list them [TS]

01:17:52   captain america the winter soldier edge [TS]

01:17:54   of tomorrow [TS]

01:17:55   guardians of the galaxy interstellar and [TS]

01:17:58   the lego movie all of which i have seen [TS]

01:18:02   Oh what about you what about all of ye I [TS]

01:18:05   really i've seen all of them i really [TS]

01:18:07   enjoyed four of them i loved two of them [TS]

01:18:12   you're gonna tell us that you're gonna [TS]

01:18:14   give us back or keep us guessing this is [TS]

01:18:17   not a game up mastermind David you just [TS]

01:18:19   want to focus on this Isle of the lego [TS]

01:18:22   movie I wouldn't vote for it for this I [TS]

01:18:24   don't really think that science fiction [TS]

01:18:25   it's just it's fun huh [TS]

01:18:27   but well not that science fiction can be [TS]

01:18:30   fun because i love guardians of the [TS]

01:18:31   galaxy two and it is science fiction but [TS]

01:18:34   i would give it to edge of tomorrow i [TS]

01:18:36   think because it actually has a [TS]

01:18:39   science-fiction premise and does [TS]

01:18:40   something with it and it's cool i really [TS]

01:18:43   like edge of tomorrow I feel like they [TS]

01:18:47   did an awful job of marketing that movie [TS]

01:18:49   yes yes I nobody saw it and it has the [TS]

01:18:52   whole time cruise thing but I thought [TS]

01:18:53   Tom Cruise was great in it and i really [TS]

01:18:55   enjoyed the whole thing so I think if I [TS]

01:18:57   were giving a hugo to it i would do one [TS]

01:19:00   of these which clearly i will be well [TS]

01:19:02   i'll be voting i'm going to vote for [TS]

01:19:03   educator i gotta say i mean it it was [TS]

01:19:06   being adapted from all you need is kill [TS]

01:19:08   which is a better title it's been [TS]

01:19:11   remarketed as a DVD and the the thing [TS]

01:19:13   lived I repeat edge of tomorrow lived I [TS]

01:19:16   repeat is a better title MH y YH of [TS]

01:19:20   tomorrow it's like a soap opera the [TS]

01:19:22   first time I saw the trailer i thought [TS]

01:19:24   why are you naming that it was so [TS]

01:19:25   obvious from the first moment that it [TS]

01:19:27   was a terrible title for that movie [TS]

01:19:29   yeah i mean it's it's got again it's got [TS]

01:19:31   everything it's got Tom Cruise getting [TS]

01:19:33   killed over and over and over and over [TS]

01:19:35   again so even if you don't like Tom [TS]

01:19:37   Cruise how much fun is that all points [TS]

01:19:39   trip and it starts off not as a Tom [TS]

01:19:41   Cruise character he's right on cruise [TS]

01:19:43   not playing a Tom Cruise character of [TS]

01:19:45   those he turns into a Tom Cruise [TS]

01:19:46   characters throughout the course with me [TS]

01:19:48   but he does die a lot so yeah Erica what [TS]

01:19:51   do you think of these where would you [TS]

01:19:52   rank them [TS]

01:19:53   um I haven't seen interstellar that's [TS]

01:19:55   the only 1i have not seen I don't have [TS]

01:19:58   the same the same feelings about the [TS]

01:20:00   Hugo's and science fiction is David does [TS]

01:20:01   because I i also allow fantasy in there [TS]

01:20:05   as do the most of the nominations [TS]

01:20:06   nominators that's the category that i [TS]

01:20:09   would put the lego movie and so I sure [TS]

01:20:12   you don't I still don't know if I'm [TS]

01:20:14   going to have that on my ballot in the [TS]

01:20:16   same way because i just it doesn't [TS]

01:20:18   strike me as the kind of stories that i [TS]

01:20:20   would generally put on the Underwood's [TS]

01:20:23   ballot but edge of tomorrow I loved and [TS]

01:20:26   I did everything you guys said [TS]

01:20:28   absolutely so that's that's going at the [TS]

01:20:29   top of my list i enjoyed the the Marvel [TS]

01:20:32   movies it off but i guess not maybe [TS]

01:20:35   enough to put them on the ballot here I [TS]

01:20:37   like all five of these movies I've seen [TS]

01:20:40   them all and I like all five of them and [TS]

01:20:42   if i were to rank them which i will ask [TS]

01:20:44   points out because we also vote [TS]

01:20:47   I'm gonna put Winter Soldier first I [TS]

01:20:49   think it is the best Marvel movie i [TS]

01:20:51   would put the guardians of the galaxy [TS]

01:20:52   side second edge of tomorrow third [TS]

01:20:54   interstellar forth and I actually liked [TS]

01:20:56   interstellar and I put the lego movie [TS]

01:20:57   fifth not because of anything about the [TS]

01:21:00   genre but because i don't think it's as [TS]

01:21:02   good as the other four it's fun and cute [TS]

01:21:05   and my you know kids really enjoyed it [TS]

01:21:06   but I i don't think it it carries the [TS]

01:21:08   weight of the other for the things that [TS]

01:21:10   make it awesome [TS]

01:21:11   r0 sort of like that yeah well made [TS]

01:21:15   well-played are the easiest sort of the [TS]

01:21:17   cute things in the in jokes and stuff [TS]

01:21:19   and that's that's not what I'm looking [TS]

01:21:21   for when I'm thinking about what i want [TS]

01:21:23   to put on my Awards ballot that's that's [TS]

01:21:26   what I'm thinking about when I just want [TS]

01:21:27   to sit down and giggle for a while but [TS]

01:21:29   that it's not quite the same thing so my [TS]

01:21:32   yeah thats i think i will definitely put [TS]

01:21:34   edge of tomorrow first and that I don't [TS]

01:21:37   even know that i'll put anything else [TS]

01:21:38   above no award because i'm not really [TS]

01:21:40   sure any of the rest of them would would [TS]

01:21:42   have made it for me [TS]

01:21:42   interesting yeah that that's how i roll [TS]

01:21:44   I don't put everything on there and then [TS]

01:21:47   no award underneath for me it's it's [TS]

01:21:48   it's how do i do I think this is [TS]

01:21:51   actually worthy of the angle award and [TS]

01:21:53   there are lots of good things things [TS]

01:21:55   that I enjoy that i put underneath that [TS]

01:21:56   that line so that doesn't mean they're [TS]

01:21:58   bad [TS]

01:21:58   I i would probably put edge and then [TS]

01:22:00   guardians of the galaxy and then winter [TS]

01:22:02   soldier and then no award because yeah I [TS]

01:22:06   did not like interstellar Paco I like [TS]

01:22:09   interstellar so i guess i would i'll put [TS]

01:22:11   my ranking is everybody okay so edge of [TS]

01:22:13   tomorrow interstellar a captain america [TS]

01:22:18   gardens the galaxies the lego movie we [TS]

01:22:21   go [TS]

01:22:21   although i love the lego movie i do ya [TS]

01:22:23   if ya same here same here [TS]

01:22:25   I mean I'm a try to see interstellar [TS]

01:22:27   before you know squeeze it in the next [TS]

01:22:29   couple weeks before I before I vote but [TS]

01:22:31   it's it's a couple of weeks long yes [TS]

01:22:33   okay that's better hurry about the ride [TS]

01:22:35   but John with Gaza it it's true [TS]

01:22:38   yeah that's it that's the thumbs up [TS]

01:22:40   alright let's talk about dramatic [TS]

01:22:41   short-form are this is our operating [TS]

01:22:45   doctor who reference in an episode that [TS]

01:22:46   erica is on listen by Steven Moffat has [TS]

01:22:48   nominated here as well as the pilot for [TS]

01:22:50   the flash the mountain and the Viper but [TS]

01:22:53   very exciting episode of Game of Thrones [TS]

01:22:55   were somebody people died and fight and [TS]

01:22:57   stuff [TS]

01:22:58   visit scantrons remember the episode of [TS]

01:23:00   Graham I've never seen haven't seen [TS]

01:23:02   cream since the pilot so i have no idea [TS]

01:23:03   what that episode isn't any season [TS]

01:23:04   finale of last season of orphan black [TS]

01:23:06   those are the nominees hear any any any [TS]

01:23:10   thoughts [TS]

01:23:11   Erica Doctor Who person yeah I it [TS]

01:23:14   honestly listen was not my favorite I [TS]

01:23:17   degree of the episodes [TS]

01:23:20   however I do feel in a lot of ways it [TS]

01:23:21   was it was strong on the points that [TS]

01:23:24   make it feel like it belongs in an award [TS]

01:23:27   category so I was I was okay with it i [TS]

01:23:28   think it was actually even on my ballot [TS]

01:23:30   even though it wasn't for my nomination [TS]

01:23:31   ballot even though it's not my favorite [TS]

01:23:33   it wasn't it was an elegantly done story [TS]

01:23:35   it tied and wrapped around it played [TS]

01:23:38   with time it was emotional it was yeah [TS]

01:23:42   so it had a lot of things that that to [TS]

01:23:44   me say award-worthy even though I would [TS]

01:23:48   rather sit down and watch time heist [TS]

01:23:49   over and over again that watch that [TS]

01:23:51   watch listen again so that will be at [TS]

01:23:53   the top of mine i haven't actually i did [TS]

01:23:55   see the game of thrones an orphan black [TS]

01:23:57   but I couldn't remember because i did [TS]

01:23:59   not remember which episodes they were by [TS]

01:24:01   the title I was like that's not a good [TS]

01:24:03   sign huh well beyond there somewhere i [TS]

01:24:05   just have to figure out exactly which [TS]

01:24:07   piece of the story they are referring to [TS]

01:24:10   yes yeah I would [TS]

01:24:11   infrared listen first just because again [TS]

01:24:14   you know it does play with time and then [TS]

01:24:16   i think i think i was on the TV episode [TS]

01:24:19   for it and and i loved it [TS]

01:24:23   minutes after I watched it and yeah [TS]

01:24:26   there are other better stories in this [TS]

01:24:27   season but of these five that's the one [TS]

01:24:30   I'm going to vote for and then you know [TS]

01:24:32   the flash I really love the flash it did [TS]

01:24:35   a great job setting up the story is it [TS]

01:24:39   is a quick hugo award worthy [TS]

01:24:41   I don't know but it made me watch the [TS]

01:24:43   series which arrow still hasn't done and [TS]

01:24:48   Game of Thrones i have set their [TS]

01:24:49   episodes of game of crowns and I [TS]

01:24:50   appreciate the work that goes into it [TS]

01:24:52   and I totally get it [TS]

01:24:54   grim I appreciate that work goes into it [TS]

01:24:59   but i cannot sit there episodes of that [TS]

01:25:00   and orphan black is just fun so I would [TS]

01:25:06   probably go doctor who works in black [TS]

01:25:07   flash and then I suppose open game of [TS]

01:25:11   thrones in the new award take that grim [TS]

01:25:13   now my wife my wife loves grim so I have [TS]

01:25:18   seen many episodes grim I don't know if [TS]

01:25:20   I've seen this episode we're not that's [TS]

01:25:23   why it's it's a fine show set in [TS]

01:25:26   Portland Oregon which my wife loves [TS]

01:25:28   Christian Portland so I'm kind of over [TS]

01:25:31   Doctor Who I have to admit I haven't had [TS]

01:25:35   a lot of other hero voters I I feel like [TS]

01:25:38   doctor who has been a the last couple of [TS]

01:25:41   seasons diminishing returns for me as a [TS]

01:25:44   viewer so but i love the flash and like [TS]

01:25:50   I like the game of thrones but i really [TS]

01:25:52   like I i think i would pick the flash [TS]

01:25:54   first and then probably orphan black [TS]

01:25:58   just because I feel like our flex kind [TS]

01:25:59   of losing the thread 2 and this year i'm [TS]

01:26:02   judging the entire series not just the [TS]

01:26:04   one episode which is probably not the [TS]

01:26:05   way you're supposed to do it and so I [TS]

01:26:08   would do the flash [TS]

01:26:09   a orphan black game of thrones doctor [TS]

01:26:13   who and Graham you know I really wish [TS]

01:26:16   that orphan black and Game of Thrones [TS]

01:26:17   had been nominated in the best dramatic [TS]

01:26:19   presentation long-form just like the [TS]

01:26:21   entire season because they're so so see [TS]

01:26:24   realized you know doctor who does not [TS]

01:26:26   work that way even if it's somewhat more [TS]

01:26:28   serialize than it has been so I think I [TS]

01:26:31   it's hard for me to just pick out one [TS]

01:26:33   piece and then judge that on its own [TS]

01:26:35   when I'm thinking about the rest of the [TS]

01:26:36   series there was well that episode you [TS]

01:26:39   didn't like in the first season Erica [TS]

01:26:40   with that with the the party in the [TS]

01:26:46   suburbs I actually think that was [TS]

01:26:48   perfectly eminently nominated well on [TS]

01:26:50   its own but this yeah well that that one [TS]

01:26:52   is yes but this this is just I mean they [TS]

01:26:54   nominated because it's the season finale [TS]

01:26:56   and it's got a bunch of twists and stuff [TS]

01:26:57   in it but i'm not sure that I my love [TS]

01:26:59   for over from black is more as a whole [TS]

01:27:01   and not for these individual episodes so [TS]

01:27:03   I I'm with you there [TS]

01:27:05   I'm gonna I'm gonna do something [TS]

01:27:07   shocking here i'm gonna bring the flash [TS]

01:27:09   pilot first I think the flash pilot yeah [TS]

01:27:12   you know is it is a fantastic work of [TS]

01:27:14   art in and in the way that listen is [TS]

01:27:17   seriously crafted as a this this is my [TS]

01:27:19   chance Steven Moffat says to write an [TS]

01:27:21   episode that's not based on a on the [TS]

01:27:23   this season long arc which is his job [TS]

01:27:25   but instead just to show off how [TS]

01:27:27   brilliant he is a writer well he is a [TS]

01:27:29   very good writer but i'm gonna put the [TS]

01:27:30   flash pilot first because doing a [TS]

01:27:33   superhero show and having to be fun and [TS]

01:27:36   and smart in its own way and have [TS]

01:27:39   likable characters and have a really [TS]

01:27:40   nice setup the flash really did it in a [TS]

01:27:42   in a spectacular way that it's a really [TS]

01:27:46   great pilot and a fun show and so I'm [TS]

01:27:49   gonna I'm gonna list the flash first and [TS]

01:27:51   then i'll list doctor who and then [TS]

01:27:53   probably game of thrones an orphan black [TS]

01:27:55   and sorry Graham I have never watched [TS]

01:27:57   you other than the pilot so that's [TS]

01:27:59   probably will do I know heresy the [TS]

01:28:01   flashover doctor who but there it is [TS]

01:28:02   should-should innominate flatline that's [TS]

01:28:05   all I'm saying [TS]

01:28:05   yeah no yeah i mean admitting that for [TS]

01:28:08   me or that one that would have been my [TS]

01:28:10   first choice [TS]

01:28:11   yeah well so how was your Hugo [TS]

01:28:14   experience everybody it was kind of [TS]

01:28:15   rough wasn't it [TS]

01:28:16   yep it always is haha this is true Scott [TS]

01:28:21   this is true although I [TS]

01:28:23   got much more pleasure out of the short [TS]

01:28:24   fiction nominees in the past it's been [TS]

01:28:26   like a little anthology created for me [TS]

01:28:28   from the hugo nominees nomination group [TS]

01:28:30   and some of them are great but some of [TS]

01:28:32   them are really great and are a lot of [TS]

01:28:33   good finds you find interesting artists [TS]

01:28:35   are authors and this time it was like it [TS]

01:28:39   was not that it was like assigned [TS]

01:28:41   reading of things that aren't good [TS]

01:28:43   it's like going through a slush pile [TS]

01:28:44   some people complain that the Hugo's are [TS]

01:28:46   a popularity contest but I i don't i [TS]

01:28:49   like that their popularity contest [TS]

01:28:50   because at least in years past when I've [TS]

01:28:52   read things it's been yeah you get quite [TS]

01:28:56   a mix but it's stuff that people are [TS]

01:28:58   genuinely passionate about and they they [TS]

01:29:00   loved it but when it comes to the the [TS]

01:29:02   puppy slate I I don't have great [TS]

01:29:05   confidence that that all of the people [TS]

01:29:07   that nominated those actually nominated [TS]

01:29:09   those things actually read them and felt [TS]

01:29:11   really strongly about them if I thought [TS]

01:29:13   that then then I would be like hey good [TS]

01:29:15   for good for you folks but yeah yeah all [TS]

01:29:20   of the all of the ballots coming in the [TS]

01:29:22   the same time and and all being being [TS]

01:29:25   purchased in one sort of fell swoop [TS]

01:29:27   right after somebody you supposedly [TS]

01:29:29   reached out to gamergate and whether [TS]

01:29:32   they did or not just that the timing of [TS]

01:29:34   it kind of made me go [TS]

01:29:35   so yeah that that that is where my eye [TS]

01:29:40   because i like the idea that that that [TS]

01:29:42   there would be enough folks out there [TS]

01:29:44   that are interested in you know the [TS]

01:29:46   Golden Age science fiction style stuff [TS]

01:29:48   with you know spaceships and adventure [TS]

01:29:49   to get some of that stuff on the ballot [TS]

01:29:51   because I like that stuff too so someday [TS]

01:29:55   yeah I yeah I was just like not not for [TS]

01:29:56   somebody to say here are five things to [TS]

01:29:58   vote for and then those five things get [TS]

01:29:59   voted for and then that's the nominee [TS]

01:30:01   list is those five things examine that [TS]

01:30:03   they are making efforts to change the [TS]

01:30:06   way the hugo awards work which is [TS]

01:30:08   probably going to take several years [TS]

01:30:09   because the hugo words is a gigantic [TS]

01:30:11   bureaucracy it turns out [TS]

01:30:14   yeah take two years to change the rule [TS]

01:30:16   yeah so eventually they will probably [TS]

01:30:19   change the rule it sounds like the most [TS]

01:30:21   common idea is to expand the nomination [TS]

01:30:25   group who and reduce the number of [TS]

01:30:28   nominees that each person can't kannamma [TS]

01:30:31   Nate thereby making it much harder for [TS]

01:30:34   on [TS]

01:30:35   mass a mass group to fill the category [TS]

01:30:37   but it may take a while for them to do [TS]

01:30:39   that and another another thing that will [TS]

01:30:41   help is just sort of getting the word [TS]

01:30:43   out about the fact that the Hugo's is a [TS]

01:30:46   popularity contest is something that you [TS]

01:30:48   can vote on that something that I didn't [TS]

01:30:49   know until just not too many years ago [TS]

01:30:51   so I think the more people that learn [TS]

01:30:54   that and realize that they can be part [TS]

01:30:55   of the process the better because when [TS]

01:30:57   you have a bigger pool you're gonna get [TS]

01:30:58   you know more interesting more [TS]

01:31:00   interesting group of stuff [TS]

01:31:02   one of the problems with Hugo's is that [TS]

01:31:04   there's this tiny core of people who [TS]

01:31:06   were just kind of voting for stuff and [TS]

01:31:08   it was like a little Nirvana and they [TS]

01:31:10   were voting for all the stuff that they [TS]

01:31:11   liked and then other people suddenly [TS]

01:31:12   noticed hey these people have this [TS]

01:31:15   prestigious award and they never vote [TS]

01:31:17   for any of this stuff that i really like [TS]

01:31:19   so let's get at all of my fans to just [TS]

01:31:22   vote for stuff I think should be on so [TS]

01:31:24   we can make a big statement and then [TS]

01:31:25   every all hell broke loose and frankly I [TS]

01:31:29   find it all boring because there's [TS]

01:31:30   nothing I read fiction and science [TS]

01:31:33   fiction to escape from bureaucracy and [TS]

01:31:37   having to think about rules and so I [TS]

01:31:40   blame all of them for making me think [TS]

01:31:42   about have a great science-fiction novel [TS]

01:31:44   no I'm going to that i'm going to write [TS]

01:31:45   for you Scott [TS]

01:31:46   that's entirely about rules and [TS]

01:31:48   bureaucracy in space [TS]

01:31:50   oh is it also gonna have lots of weapons [TS]

01:31:53   with robots there will be some weapons [TS]

01:31:56   list the specifications of all the [TS]

01:31:58   weapons yes I can't wait for the graphic [TS]

01:32:00   novel version myself bureaucracy it's [TS]

01:32:04   coming just look for it is it all the [TS]

01:32:06   the first the first book will be titled [TS]

01:32:09   and it shall be signed in triplicate [TS]

01:32:11   haha the first the first one and then it [TS]

01:32:15   goes it goes from there you can just [TS]

01:32:17   imagine death to the space bear that's [TS]

01:32:19   book to death to the space mayor he [TS]

01:32:22   doesn't die its ally boilers know that I [TS]

01:32:28   haven't told you the big spoiler which [TS]

01:32:29   is that the space players a robot Oh No [TS]

01:32:32   Oh giving everything away now a lot or [TS]

01:32:34   not or no well that's the twist that I [TS]

01:32:37   will reveal how that but Mayor coming [TS]

01:32:40   through or is it ok we're done with the [TS]

01:32:44   ego words another year maybe forever i [TS]

01:32:46   knows but we will be at at sasquatch [TS]

01:32:49   when they give them out so we're not [TS]

01:32:52   really done with it we will be there to [TS]

01:32:53   witness who knows what's gonna happen [TS]

01:32:55   but uh should be interesting [TS]

01:32:58   well the radio shows got radio show will [TS]

01:33:00   happen if you're participating in task 1 [TS]

01:33:02   you should come see our radio show four [TS]

01:33:03   o'clock on Saturday we will be [TS]

01:33:05   performing radio drama live and then [TS]

01:33:08   after that Jason you get to help with [TS]

01:33:10   the the pre and post-show for the hugo [TS]

01:33:12   award ceremony itself [TS]

01:33:13   I yeah so what do I sign up for the [TS]

01:33:15   post-show too well I don't know [TS]

01:33:17   ok free show for sure ok yes definitely [TS]

01:33:20   we will be we will be all over so let us [TS]

01:33:22   know if you're coming and you can say [TS]

01:33:24   hello to us and but until then I'm going [TS]

01:33:27   to thank my guests and they can go off [TS]

01:33:28   and fill out there you go ballots David [TS]

01:33:30   lower thanks for being here anytime [TS]

01:33:32   Erica and sign thanks so much for being [TS]

01:33:35   here and doing the reading [TS]

01:33:36   yeah I did the reading good boy did i do [TS]

01:33:39   read more than I did so a plus [TS]

01:33:42   you did this login uh-huh and Scott [TS]

01:33:44   McNulty he always does the reading [TS]

01:33:46   thank you Scott I'm looking forward to [TS]

01:33:48   the nebulous next year need to me too [TS]

01:33:51   maybe some world fantasy awards are in [TS]

01:33:53   our future too [TS]

01:33:53   who knows locust or the locust the [TS]

01:33:56   locusts they will know it's the jury [TS]

01:33:58   because that's what the locals say and [TS]

01:34:04   that's it for this time thanks everybody [TS]

01:34:05   out there for listening to be [TS]

01:34:06   uncomfortable we will see you next week [TS]

01:34:16   how space rocket see I'm telling you [TS]

01:34:21   just wait for it it's gonna be big [TS]

01:34:23   well I'm I'm gonna get Dan's agent to [TS]

01:34:25   pitching usually is big so yeah oh yeah [TS]

01:34:28   it'll be it'll be the in fact the book [TS]

01:34:31   it will be four pages long but the only [TS]

01:34:32   be 200 pages of story and then the rest [TS]

01:34:34   of it will just be like sorry we had to [TS]

01:34:36   include extra pages because it's it's [TS]

01:34:38   complicated [TS]

01:34:39   discount wi wrapped in red tape it does [TS]

01:34:43   that's the book cover yeah the Jan it's [TS]

01:34:46   regulated tape you have like a hundred [TS]

01:34:47   pages of boilerplate and appendices and [TS]

01:34:50   a couple of lines for people to assign [TS]

01:34:52   so its interactive yeah a form they have [TS]

01:34:53   to fill out ya coming to the [TS]

01:34:56   uncomfortable press yes that's right [TS]

01:34:58   coming nowhere very never know if you [TS]

01:35:02   write it week and put it on the [TS]

01:35:03   uncomfortable website we can nominated [TS]

01:35:05   for a huge oh you're a riot aight and [TS]

01:35:08   I've already thinking that there might [TS]

01:35:10   be a space bureaucracy episode when we [TS]

01:35:12   get to Spokane and it shall be filled in [TS]

01:35:16   triplicates awesome i am making notes [TS]

01:35:20   right on calc one of the Cincinnati [TS]

01:35:22   rockers that book one of 208 book1 [TS]

01:35:27   sub-article five [TS]

01:35:29   yes yeah it would it would be subtitled [TS]

01:35:32   the book one in the space bureaucracy [TS]

01:35:35   saga [TS]

01:35:36   that's right it yeah sorry bureaucrat [TS]

01:35:40   with at all and I don't even know yeah [TS]

01:35:43   you were a red shirt with buttons down [TS]

01:35:46   the right Kevin understand just have to [TS]

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