00:00:04 ◼ ► Happy to do it. Particularly when you said that we would just be talking about TV shows, assuming
00:00:10 ◼ ► that's what we're going to do. Yeah, I mean, I think that's what we should do because I kind of,
00:00:16 ◼ ► I just did a show with Quinn Nelson and we kind of covered the WWDC. The only news that sort of
00:00:22 ◼ ► is broken this week is that the EU's announced a thing against Microsoft, which I don't really have
00:00:30 ◼ ► a lot to add other than, of course, I don't know. Well, they're sharing wealth. I keep meaning to
00:00:38 ◼ ► get a column out about this and I will soon. I know, although, I don't know. Do you feel this
00:00:55 ◼ ► Yeah, I feel like if I've, I feel like it should be the other way. I feel like if I've talked about
00:01:02 ◼ ► it on a podcast, I should still have the urge to put it in writing where I feel like I'm good with
00:01:09 ◼ ► words and I— Yeah, yeah, I think it's a better way to make sure that you're saying what you mean
00:01:15 ◼ ► to say as opposed to on a podcast. But I find that what actually happens though is sort of the
00:01:23 ◼ ► opposite. If I've written about something first, I still don't mind blathering about it on a podcast.
00:01:29 ◼ ► But once I've podcasted it, it does somehow, there's a part of my brain. But I guess the thing
00:01:36 ◼ ► that—before we move on, it's, I keep coming back to the fact that it, obviously people's opinions
00:01:45 ◼ ► about the EU and the DMA and Apple are polarized, to say the least. I think that's a fair
00:01:51 ◼ ► description. There's some people who are go-go European Union, stick it to Apple, they're getting
00:01:59 ◼ ► what they deserve. And from people, I keep hearing from people who think that the government or a
00:02:07 ◼ ► government anywhere forcing Apple to in particular open up the App Store isn't just what these people
00:02:14 ◼ ► want or what a political contingent wants, but who actually think from their perspective that this is
00:02:20 ◼ ► actually good medicine for Apple, that this actually would be good for Apple. And you know,
00:02:24 ◼ ► I'm amenable to that. And then on the other side, there's people where I would find myself
00:02:28 ◼ ► who think that this entire endeavor is ill-advised. Not that Apple isn't in need of regulation or that
00:02:36 ◼ ► I'm a knee-jerk, right-wing, all-government, get-the-government-off-my-back sort of political
00:02:44 ◼ ► person, which I think I'm not. But... Yeah, I think there's a line between where regulation is good.
00:02:51 ◼ ► I mean, I think opening up the App Store so that there are more options obviously is better for
00:02:57 ◼ ► consumers and it's better for most everybody, probably I think even better for Apple. But
00:03:02 ◼ ► there's also a line to which you can go and almost it's starting to seem in certain circumstances,
00:03:09 ◼ ► things that you've heard people say from the EU, that they're getting to the point where
00:03:14 ◼ ► you're going to start running into things that they, Apple's just not going to want to do things
00:03:19 ◼ ► anymore. I mean, I don't think they're going to pull out of the EU. You've mentioned that a few
00:03:23 ◼ ► times. I don't think they're going to do that. I think that would be cutting off their nose
00:03:26 ◼ ► despite their face, but it could get to the point where they're going to be less inclined to do,
00:03:32 ◼ ► to make certain features if they feel that they have to make those features available to everybody
00:03:38 ◼ ► to use. Right. And it's like when I first started spitballing, hey, maybe this sort of regulatory
00:03:52 ◼ ► guillotine hanging, I mean, guillotine's a little harsh because you die when you go through a real
00:03:57 ◼ ► guillotine. But it is the EU themselves or the European Commission who keeps reiterating
00:04:06 ◼ ► the profound size of the fines that the DMA allows them to apply to companies that they
00:04:14 ◼ ► deemed to be violating. 10% of worldwide revenue on the first offense. And then after a first offense,
00:04:20 ◼ ► the maximum goes up to 20%. Now, they haven't fined anybody under the DMA yet for anything.
00:04:25 ◼ ► I mean, and it is by regulatory standards, still a dripping wet law, right? It came into effect in
00:04:33 ◼ ► March. And I know at this point, it feels like that was a long time ago, and we've been talking
00:04:43 ◼ ► that nobody's been fined yet. And so we don't know when they start finding people under this,
00:04:53 ◼ ► doubling for second offenses, or is that just bluster, whatever, but Apple doesn't know either.
00:05:00 ◼ ► And I really, I mean, very few people inside Apple know, ultimately, what they really know from the
00:05:10 ◼ ► highest levels of sort of diplomatic back and forth with the European Commission. Does Apple
00:05:15 ◼ ► know that they're really not going to find them 10% of the worldwide revenue and so that the
00:05:21 ◼ ► pressure isn't as high? I don't know. I don't think Apple knows. I think the European Commission
00:05:26 ◼ ► is purposefully inscrutable on this. It does seem that Apple in the past, though, has been fined and
00:05:31 ◼ ► just doesn't care. Because it can pay almost anything. Right. If you don't find them something
00:05:39 ◼ ► that's large and possibly larger than your market size, you'll never get anywhere. Right. So I get
00:05:46 ◼ ► that. But I guess the one where I'm going with this, though, is that the one split in public
00:05:54 ◼ ► opinion that I feel certain that one side is wrong about is, is the argument that Apple is taking this
00:06:06 ◼ ► lightly. And that it's and I've seen this repeated multiple times that they don't think Apple's taking
00:06:14 ◼ ► this seriously at all. And that I think it's sort of comes from a perspective of thinking that if
00:06:23 ◼ ► they took it seriously, their compliance plans would have been designed, knowing that they would
00:06:30 ◼ ► make the DMA proponents happy. Right? I mean, it's, I think something something to the effect
00:06:40 ◼ ► of here, okay, fine. Here in the EU, here is an easy way for anybody to distribute apps and pay
00:06:50 ◼ ► Apple nothing to distribute to iOS, right? More or less, that's what we all kind of know, would
00:06:57 ◼ ► placate the DMA strongest proponents, both in the European Commission and people outside who are
00:07:03 ◼ ► cheering it on, right, they want to be able to install software on iOS devices the way you can
00:07:09 ◼ ► on the Mac, more or less. You know, and people bring up that example all the time, and including
00:07:16 ◼ ► on my show, where I thought Craig Federighi on stage was as clear as any Apple executive has ever
00:07:23 ◼ ► been, that as much as they like the Mac, love the Mac, and think the Mac is as safe as a personal
00:07:30 ◼ ► computing platform can be, that this, it is nowhere near as safe as iOS in terms of I think
00:07:41 ◼ ► go install whatever you want. She can do that on her iPhone and feel safe and telling your
00:07:47 ◼ ► a non-technical family member, go ahead and install whatever software you want from any source
00:07:53 ◼ ► on the Mac is probably not good advice. I mean, that's the truth. And I kind of feel like that's
00:07:59 ◼ ► a PR thing that Apple's had to sort of dance around, because they don't want to throw their
00:08:05 ◼ ► own platform under the bus, right? It's like a long-standing fear. Go back to seven, eight,
00:08:12 ◼ ► nine years ago, when there was sort of a fear that Apple was going to let the Mac sort of
00:08:19 ◼ ► go into retirement, the retirement home for old computing platforms, and let iPadOS sort of be
00:08:26 ◼ ► the new big screen. We've got the phone OS, iOS, and we've got iPadOS for bigger screens, and
00:08:32 ◼ ► that's the future. You know, sort of the famous Federighi slide at WWDC, are we going to merge
00:08:38 ◼ ► Mac and iPadOS? No, we're not. Or that they were going to force everybody to use the App Store
00:08:43 ◼ ► on the Mac. Right. But it's exactly, well, that's what I'm talking about. That's the sort of merger
00:08:50 ◼ ► thought that some, forget about the actual details of what it would be, just yada, yada, yada, let's
00:08:56 ◼ ► combine iPad and MacOS, one fewer platform, but this new merged for the future platform
00:09:10 ◼ ► I feel like Apple's current strategy is okay, where the iOS platforms, the phone and the iPad
00:09:19 ◼ ► have the rules where everything has to go through the App Store, and the Mac gets to be a true
00:09:25 ◼ ► personal computing platform where you can not just install whatever you want, you can compile
00:09:30 ◼ ► your own software, make your own software, there's a command line, and if you want to with minimal
00:09:35 ◼ ► protections, going through settings and saying, okay, yes, allow installations from sources
00:09:41 ◼ ► outside the App Store or whatever, that you can do that. I feel like that's a good balance.
00:09:47 ◼ ► There's definitely a part of me that sort of wishes, you know, in a way that there's both
00:09:52 ◼ ► for laptop style computers, both iPad, more locked down, tight, and Mac, which is more open,
00:10:00 ◼ ► definitely more open, I kind of wish that we had the same option for phones, that there was sort of
00:10:05 ◼ ► a lockdown version for most people, and a power user version where you can do the stuff that
00:10:12 ◼ ► people want everybody on the phone to be able to do. But that's basically though, just circling
00:10:19 ◼ ► back that I just want to get this off my chest that I really don't think Apple is taking this
00:10:24 ◼ ► lightly at all. I think they're taking it seriously as a heart attack. I think that and I think they
00:10:29 ◼ ► see it as an existential threat, not because the EU itself is so large, that losing the EU market
00:10:36 ◼ ► or shrinking in EU market because of this would do them in. But the fear that DMA style legislation
00:10:46 ◼ ► will spread throughout the rest of the world. That would be the existential threat to Apple.
00:10:52 ◼ ► necessarily dragging your heels or trying to fight it a bit is not taking it seriously.
00:11:09 ◼ ► browser engine kit in particular seems to be a thorn in people's side, like the people who
00:11:14 ◼ ► really want to see the Chrome rendering engine on iOS devices, or let it gecko to the one from
00:11:22 ◼ ► Firefox. And it's, I think there's a couple of factors, but browser engine kit is definitely
00:11:31 ◼ ► more complicated than just somehow getting Xcode to compile a version of Chrome with the chromium
00:11:38 ◼ ► engine and it okay, it runs and launches. It's there's a bunch of things that are third party
00:11:45 ◼ ► rendering engine that wants to be there for the platform has to comply with to go through browser
00:11:50 ◼ ► engine kit, but it's reasonable. And it is about safety. There's so many of the security
00:11:56 ◼ ► vulnerabilities that go through the browser, whatever the browser, WebKit, Chrome, gecko,
00:12:04 ◼ ► but that's when people talk about like zero days or something like that, where it's like you
00:12:09 ◼ ► carefully craft a link and somebody taps it in WhatsApp or messages or whatever app you're using.
00:12:14 ◼ ► And if it exploits a bug in the browser rendering engine, just by tapping the link and loading it,
00:12:21 ◼ ► you might be vulnerable to it. There really are serious issues that come up through this.
00:12:25 ◼ ► And it's just one example where if Apple wanted to be lazy and didn't take it seriously,
00:12:30 ◼ ► they would just say, here, just do whatever you want. And if a user checks this checkbox to allow
00:12:36 ◼ ► any software they want on their phones, have at it. You can riddle your phone with malware.
00:12:44 ◼ ► That's not our problem. We gave you one warning up front. That would be the lazy, malicious
00:12:49 ◼ ► way of complying. Right. Yeah. Anyway, we weren't going to talk about. So we weren't going to talk
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00:16:03 ◼ ► So anyway, my idea, the July 4th extended holiday week. Give people some feedback. Our favorite picks
00:16:13 ◼ ► of recent TV shows and movies. I know you're big on that, right? That's your podcasting career.
00:16:18 ◼ ► Jared: That's right. Yeah, and I'm just starting to do a thing with the incomparable. We're going
00:16:23 ◼ ► to do the Planet of the Apes, the recent Planet of the Apes series. So I've been working my way
00:16:29 ◼ ► back through those, which I've seen all of them except the one that's out now. I still haven't
00:16:33 ◼ ► gotten out to see that one yet, but that's a pretty good series. So I'm kind of happy to do
00:16:37 ◼ ► that. I've seen them through it once, and so now I'm going back and watching them again.
00:16:41 ◼ ► Pete: Yeah, they're pretty good. I have not seen the latest one. How about Godzilla minus zero?
00:16:51 ◼ ► Pete; I have seen it. And I feel, I want your guidance on this, John, is where to toe the line
00:16:58 ◼ ► on recommending something without spoiling something. So interrupt me and cut me off if
00:17:04 ◼ ► you feel like I'm crossing the line. But I kind of feel like one of the nice things about Godzilla
00:17:09 ◼ ► minus zero is we can't really spoil it, in my opinion. Because guess what? It's a Godzilla movie.
00:17:38 ◼ ► Pete; It takes place, Godzilla minus zero takes place in, I guess, just after the end of World
00:17:54 ◼ ► Jared; Yeah, because it starts out right at the end, toward the end of the war, right? Because
00:18:11 ◼ ► Pete; Entirely in Japanese, I believe, also, and I think, and this is one of those movies where I
00:18:19 ◼ ► just said up front, you can't really spoil it, but somehow, because I knew I wanted to watch it,
00:18:24 ◼ ► I didn't read a lot about it, other than the fact that I knew it was a prequel. I'd heard that the
00:18:28 ◼ ► effects were very good. I think it, did it win Oscars for visual effects? I don't know.
00:18:34 ◼ ► Pete; It should have, in my opinion, because that was one thing too, is somehow, I don't know,
00:18:53 ◼ ► Pete; Yeah, Godzilla minus one. Do you understand the title? This is why I can't remember that it's
00:19:38 ◼ ► he's just injected into that film. He's not, he obviously was not in the Japanese release of that
00:19:42 ◼ ► movie, and then they were like, "Well, we want to release this in America, so we got to put an
00:19:46 ◼ ► American in here," and he's just like standing there with a microphone at a window through the
00:19:50 ◼ ► Pete; Right! It really does exemplify the old thinking on, well, nobody wants to watch,
00:20:02 ◼ ► So, I'm glad we went past it because I feel like, I feel like it was a really good story for a
00:20:09 ◼ ► Jared; Yeah, I mean, it's really more of a post-war story than a monster movie in a lot of
00:20:13 ◼ ► ways. I mean, obviously Godzilla's in it, but it's more about the lives of these people who are
00:20:29 ◼ ► Pete; Yeah, pretty much. And I guess, well, not even I guess, I mean, I think kind of famously,
00:20:35 ◼ ► the original Godzilla was clearly an allegory about nuclear war and knowing that Japan has a
00:21:06 ◼ ► in some ways it's just pure Godzilla where it's, yeah, you get lots of all the Godzilla stuff you
00:21:11 ◼ ► want to see, smashing buildings, stepping on people. Jared; It's always unclear to me like if
00:21:22 ◼ ► Jared; Like, there are so many movies like after the original where he becomes like the hero who
00:21:31 ◼ ► Pete; Right, right. Mecha Godzilla and all those other characters. I guess whenever there's other,
00:21:37 ◼ ► and I guess there is, I haven't seen it, there's also a new King Kong and Godzilla movie.
00:21:46 ◼ ► Pete; I did watch the first one and, well, it sums up my feelings about the first one that I don't
00:21:53 ◼ ► have the second one on my watch list, but yet they made it, so I guess it was a hit? I don't know.
00:22:08 ◼ ► finished it yet, so I got to get back to, I thought it was okay. I thought it was okay.
00:22:23 ◼ ► cinematic universe era, right? I mean, and Legacy of Monsters, I mean, it's a good segue
00:22:32 ◼ ► into talking about something afterwards, and I think Godzilla minus one is still trying to fit
00:22:48 ◼ ► Jared; There's a difference between, there's usually a difference between the American movies
00:22:52 ◼ ► and the Japanese ones. I think, like, the recent Godzilla movies and the Godzilla and Kong movies
00:23:08 ◼ ► Jared; But it could be, it could fit in fairly perfectly well, but it's not necessarily.
00:23:21 ◼ ► explaining the science behind giant King Kong gorillas and giant lasers shooting out of their
00:23:28 ◼ ► mouth lizards, and that there's some sort of Edgar Rice Burroughs style underground world
00:23:39 ◼ ► under the surface of the earth that still somehow has light sources and gravity, but that it's
00:23:47 ◼ ► through these underground, unknown to human civilization magical portals that these monsters
00:24:04 ◼ ► Pete; Yeah, I think so. All right, you and I have talked on podcasts, well, everybody our age with
00:24:10 ◼ ► the podcast has talked about the Star Wars universe and too much. And I think ultimately
00:24:16 ◼ ► it gets down to going back to the prequels. It's like one of everybody, everybody loves to talk
00:24:21 ◼ ► about Jar Jar first, and then second, everybody wants to complain about the whole midichlorians,
00:24:27 ◼ ► "Oh, now they've got like a blood test for the force." And it's, I think that was a mistake,
00:24:32 ◼ ► right? I agree. Yeah, there's lots of stuff about the prequels that I think are subjective, but I'm,
00:24:40 ◼ ► I've always been more on George Lucas's side with the prequels. I don't love the prequels like I
00:24:47 ◼ ► love the original trilogy from the 80s, the 70s and the 80s. And, but I appreciate it. And I
00:24:55 ◼ ► think that George Lucas made a prequel trilogy that was what he was shooting for, which is
00:25:03 ◼ ► interesting. I don't think it's a failed trilogy at all. I would just say that the whole midichlorian
00:25:09 ◼ ► thing though, even given the overall arc of the prequels and the style and the way Lucas wanted
00:25:15 ◼ ► to take the series, the midichlorian thing, come on, George. No, that was not, yeah. It's a fantasy.
00:25:21 ◼ ► It's not, it doesn't need a scientific explanation for how the force works. Right. It's mystical.
00:25:27 ◼ ► It's not, it's not a bunch, it's not something you could see with a microscope in your blood.
00:25:32 ◼ ► But anyway, I think that applies just as well to trying to figure out where the light sources
00:25:38 ◼ ► are coming from. Exactly. Yeah. With Godzilla. I guess this show is kind of popular though,
00:25:49 ◼ ► I think from the trailer, there were these signs that were a Godzilla exit route and it had been
00:25:54 ◼ ► written in Japanese as well. And so I made some t-shirts of those because I thought it was cool.
00:25:58 ◼ ► I still have a lot of those. I was really surprised. So apparently people like the show
00:26:02 ◼ ► or at least watched a number of people watch the show. Well, I do think, and that is part of the
00:26:10 ◼ ► modern day cinematic universe world building idea is you have a steady stream of feature films
00:26:18 ◼ ► with the big budget and you put the stars in and whether it's Avengers or whether it's Star Wars
00:26:24 ◼ ► or whether it's Godzilla, you've got some feature films. And then in between the feature films,
00:26:37 ◼ ► staked the company on this strategy. That's what they're doing with the Marvel universe. That's
00:26:44 ◼ ► certainly what they're doing with the Star Wars universe. And now whoever owns Godzilla and King
00:26:48 ◼ ► Kong is doing it. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Right. An interesting
00:26:54 ◼ ► casting note in Legacy of... Now I'm going to screw this one up. Legacy of Monsters, right?
00:27:32 ◼ ► I like that. And that's one of the things I like about the show, actually. I think that works
00:27:36 ◼ ► pretty well. They look plenty enough alike. And it's a nice way of doing it without throwing a
00:27:43 ◼ ► whole bunch of CGI on them. Not that there's anything wrong with CGI. It doesn't have to be
00:27:48 ◼ ► used for everything. Yeah. And that's like, I always think to... Which a movie that I liked,
00:27:55 ◼ ► I really liked a lot. Although I've only watched it once because it was three hours and it's
00:28:00 ◼ ► therefore not easily re-watched. But Scorsese's The Irishman from a couple of years ago,
00:28:06 ◼ ► which was on Netflix, but had used a lot of CGI to make young Robert De Niro. I think they did
00:28:14 ◼ ► Young Joe Pesci too, but certainly young Robert De Niro. And it was good enough, but not...
00:28:41 ◼ ► well and sometimes it does not work well at all. And for some reason to my eye, it works better in
00:28:47 ◼ ► the Marvel movies than it does in the Star Wars movies. And I don't understand why that is. You'd
00:28:52 ◼ ► think that it would be all coming from the same place, but maybe it doesn't. Yeah. Who are you
00:28:57 ◼ ► thinking of in the Star Wars? Well, Carrie Fisher and Tarkin. I don't think those worked all that
00:29:05 ◼ ► well for me. Whereas younger Ant-Man in the beginning of the first Ant-Man movie was pretty
00:29:11 ◼ ► good. I'm trying to think of what else. There's been other ones too that I think worked well,
00:29:21 ◼ ► It's hard to share with Tarkin because you're making him up completely. You don't have the
00:29:25 ◼ ► original actor to do it, but still. It just seemed a little clunky. Yeah, a little bit. But the
00:29:40 ◼ ► which is that Apple TV sort of... I think, A, Apple TV is really hitting its stride. And
00:29:48 ◼ ► even with a couple of shows that I sort of thought, "Eh, I don't think I'm going to like
00:29:55 ◼ ► this one." And now I've wound up really liking it a lot. Palm Royale would be an example of that.
00:30:00 ◼ ► Did you? I don't know. I have not watched that yet. Kristen Wiig is the star and it's sort of...
00:30:06 ◼ ► It kind of reminds me of Mad Men because it takes place in that era. I think maybe a little after
00:30:13 ◼ ► the... I think it's like 1970 or '71, but it's in Palm Springs. And Amy wanted to watch it. You
00:30:20 ◼ ► know how it is. You take turns picking shows. I really liked it. And then we did the... I think
00:30:27 ◼ ► sort of what I liked doing is get into it. If it's an eight-episode series, get into it a month in.
00:30:34 ◼ ► And then if you like it, you can kind of go faster than one a week, but you don't necessarily binge
00:30:39 ◼ ► it. But Palm Royale was one that I got to the end of. And then I found out that Apple had renewed it
00:30:44 ◼ ► for another season and I'm like, "Yay!" But there's two things about Apple TV that are sticking out to
00:30:50 ◼ ► me. Palm Royale is obviously an exception, but it does seem like they are, without saying so,
00:31:03 ◼ ► Yeah, well, yeah, weird sci-fi, right? I mean, a lot of it is, I don't know, has a sort of odd
00:31:10 ◼ ► twist to it, I would say. Yeah, maybe less... And again, I know it's a very loose distinction,
00:31:25 ◼ ► Like, I've always thought the distinction, like, Star Wars is sci-fi, but it's just laser guns and
00:31:32 ◼ ► the force and it's a cross and, you know, I don't know. How long does it really take for light speed
00:31:38 ◼ ► to get you from Alderaan to Coruscant? Who knows, you know? What happened? How in the world,
00:31:52 ◼ ► without a hyperdrive? I don't know. Who knows? Forget it. That's sci-fi, right? Laser guns and
00:31:57 ◼ ► laser swords. And science fiction, 2001 would be the canonical example where it's like, "Hey,
00:32:04 ◼ ► this is actually, like, maybe technically possible or to some degree of realism or just
00:32:19 ◼ ► Right. And in terms of being weird sci-fi, I think nothing is weirder than Severance, right?
00:32:34 ◼ ► I didn't, yeah. And that was a show, like, looking back, I'm surprised I liked it as much as I did
00:32:43 ◼ ► Except for the way that it looks, right? I mean, and that's sort of, I think, one of the very
00:32:47 ◼ ► interesting things about the show. It is a very bleak, dark show. But everything, once the people
00:32:54 ◼ ► in the company go to their, I mean, this is a bit of a spoiler, but the whole season's over and the
00:32:59 ◼ ► new season's coming out. So I presume it's safe to talk about the premise of Severance.
00:33:04 ◼ ► Where there's this mysterious company where everybody, and they know it, they sign up for it,
00:33:10 ◼ ► and they know that when you go to work, you come in the front and then you go down an escalator
00:33:15 ◼ ► and you sort of forget about your entire outside life. And you only, when you're at work,
00:33:22 ◼ ► you only know work. And then when you leave for the day, you go back up and you forget all of
00:33:28 ◼ ► your work. And now you're back into real life and you're like, "I don't know what happened the last
00:33:36 ◼ ► But when they're down in their work world, instead of lighting it dark, moody, it's very,
00:33:46 ◼ ► very brightly lit white walls, very clean, almost surgical, which, just to bring Kubrick into it,
00:34:00 ◼ ► that was something he set out deliberately to do, that let's make a scary, terrifying horror movie,
00:34:06 ◼ ► and instead of having jump scares and everything's dark, let's make it really light and have a whole
00:34:14 ◼ ► bunch of it take place in the daytime. And I think Severance kind of gets that, where it, to me,
00:34:23 ◼ ► What else? One of the first shows on Apple TV, and now it's, I forget what season they're up to,
00:34:30 ◼ ► there's For All Mankind, which kind of started them down the path of this, but the science
00:34:39 ◼ ► Oh yeah. Yeah. That had a slow start, I thought. Like, the first couple episodes, I was like,
00:34:44 ◼ ► "I wasn't sure if I was going to like it," and then now I'm completely hooked, of course. I
00:34:50 ◼ ► Right. And it's, I also wonder with that one, and again, I don't, I think the basic premise isn't
00:34:57 ◼ ► really spoiling it, but it's like, it starts with the 60s, right? Before we got to the Moon,
00:35:06 ◼ ► and it's what if the Russians had gotten to the Moon before us? And then the whole world—
00:35:11 ◼ ► I think that's the opening, right? It's like, they're doing the Moon landing announcement,
00:35:14 ◼ ► and then the big surprise is the flag that gets placed is a Soviet flag instead of a US flag.
00:35:21 ◼ ► Right. It's a Soviet flag, and the Soviets on their initial trip to the Moon sent up both a man
00:35:27 ◼ ► and a woman, so they landed both the first man and woman on the Moon, and therefore put pressure on
00:35:33 ◼ ► the US to accelerate integrating women into the astronaut force, which, A, I think was kind of a
00:35:42 ◼ ► clever idea in general, but B, gets them over the hump of, hey, you can't—it would be awkward in
00:35:55 ◼ ► today's world to make a show about an alternate history of the astronaut force where the astronaut
00:36:00 ◼ ► force was seven white guys, right? Which was true. So how do you explain why in the alternate
00:36:08 ◼ ► universe there's women in the astronauts and there are people of color in the astronaut corps,
00:36:14 ◼ ► and it's because the Russians stuck it to us by sending a woman up on their first mission.
00:36:30 ◼ ► factual, but it's much more factual, obviously. It's very much based on actual stories, and they
00:36:43 ◼ ► stronger episodes, I would say, and it comes off a little trite. I don't think it works as well as
00:36:50 ◼ ► some of the other, but it's not an amazing show. It's not nearly as good as the other shows in that
00:36:55 ◼ ► group of—like, the Band of Brothers is fantastic, and the Pacific is really good. This one is by far
00:37:01 ◼ ► the weakest, but there are things that I enjoyed about it, but that episode I don't think holds
00:37:08 ◼ ► up all that well, unfortunately. And of course, they're telling a real story, so they had to
00:37:23 ◼ ► Right, and that's sort of the freedom of—I feel like if I were writing for one of these shows,
00:37:37 ◼ ► Yeah, where it's like you can just make up stuff like that and say, "You know what, what if there
00:37:43 ◼ ► were a representative number of Black people in the astronaut corps in 1968? What if?" Wouldn't it
00:37:51 ◼ ► be—because it doesn't just make the cast look better today when you say, "Here's the cast of
00:38:00 ◼ ► And you get to draw from a wider pool of talent, and you get some good actors who otherwise wouldn't
00:38:04 ◼ ► be able to play in the show. One thing where I think they maybe should have used CGI to age up
00:38:12 ◼ ► Ed Baldwin in that show, because I think his makeup in the most recent series was a little bit like a
00:38:26 ◼ ► He's a good actor, and I've enjoyed him throughout the show, but they feel like that makeup
00:38:32 ◼ ► It felt like when you go see a play, right, and you expect that, "Oh, if there's a 45 or—I
00:38:46 ◼ ► Yeah, or something like that. You don't expect it to look realistic. If you have close seats and
00:38:51 ◼ ► you can kind of see the makeup, you're like, "Well, yeah, I'm watching a play." And even
00:38:58 ◼ ► But I'm trying to think if any other streaming network really even compares to Apple in terms
00:39:13 ◼ ► so it's kind of different. They don't really have independent—I mean, I guess there's some Hulu
00:39:19 ◼ ► stuff maybe, but I don't think there's even that much science fiction stuff on Hulu, really.
00:39:24 ◼ ► Yeah, not really. Netflix has everything, right? I know that they had—I've already forgotten the
00:39:36 ◼ ► Zack Snyder. He had the big science fiction two-part thing on Netflix, and everybody was
00:39:51 ◼ ► The same here. And that is exactly why it's never bubbled up to the top of my watch list,
00:39:59 ◼ ► I like Watchmen okay. I thought it was all right. I think that's the best thing of his that I've—
00:40:04 ◼ ► The thing that I've enjoyed the most, but I feel like I've suffered through the other stuff that
00:40:19 ◼ ► original content, which I think often means when the source content, which is often just
00:40:26 ◼ ► a written novel, but in the case of the Watchmen was a graphic novel. But I'm sure you agree—I'm
00:40:31 ◼ ► speaking to the choir here—that there's no hesitation to put graphic novels on par with
00:40:37 ◼ ► prose novels in terms of artistic quality or intent. But because it's so beloved and so
00:40:46 ◼ ► meaningful to so many people, it's like a fear, "Oh God, please don't botch a translation to film."
00:40:53 ◼ ► And I think Zack Snyder obviously had reverence for the source material. The movie sticks about
00:40:59 ◼ ► as close to it as it could. I mean, you can't just shoot the graphic novel because it doesn't
00:41:06 ◼ ► Right. I think so too. I went back and read it, and there are definitely some differences. And
00:41:11 ◼ ► some people seem to think that it's—I don't know, I've talked to a lot of people who seem
00:41:15 ◼ ► to think that it's wildly different than the graphic novel, and I don't see that, honestly.
00:41:29 ◼ ► Yes, exactly. I really like that one. And again, it is sort of the cinematic universe play,
00:41:36 ◼ ► right? It's instead of, "Oh, now, you know, I guess they're talking about doing this with
00:41:41 ◼ ► the Harry Potter novels." They've obviously made a series of films that was super, super popular,
00:42:15 ◼ ► This is, yeah, Harry Potter series due to hit max in 2026. So I may be thinking of The Lord
00:42:31 ◼ ► Well, and it's the same—it is the same problem. I know that the tone of the two series is sort of
00:42:38 ◼ ► different. Harry Potter is obviously more modern and casual prose-wise, whereas The Lord of the
00:42:45 ◼ ► Rings, Tolkien is sort of—I mean, you're either into—I liked reading them. It's one of the few
00:42:50 ◼ ► series of books I've ever read twice, so I am a fan of Tolkien's work, but it is—even when I was
00:42:57 ◼ ► rereading it the second time, there's points where I was like, "This is like homework."
00:43:09 ◼ ► And I heard that it was difficult and academic, and then I was like, "Oh, they weren't kidding."
00:43:16 ◼ ► This is like that opening of the one book that I was like, "Eh, maybe I can flip a couple pages
00:43:29 ◼ ► let the movies run to three hours, which is long for a movie, you're still cutting a 600-page novel
00:43:38 ◼ ► way down to fit there, whereas if you make Game of Thrones-style, a series of 10-hour-long episodes
00:43:50 ◼ ► I'm trying to think. Well, we were going to talk about Dark Matter, right? Which I think—
00:44:01 ◼ ► That's a great show, I think. I was surprised how much—because I watched the first episode
00:44:05 ◼ ► of Constellation, and that did not stick for me. And I heard from others that that was the right
00:44:13 ◼ ► call, but maybe some people's mileage might vary. But this show—and I was probably concerned that
00:44:21 ◼ ► it was going to be too dark, and it's pretty dark. There's some dark stuff that happens in it for
00:44:27 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, exactly. You like the main character and his family well enough. There are people who
00:44:35 ◼ ► you can root for, and I think that's the thing that always bothers me. There's a show where
00:44:40 ◼ ► there's no one that you can root for. So, this turns out to be pretty well done, and I think
00:44:53 ◼ ► Yeah, maybe. I mean, that's obviously the theme. Have you ever seen the show Counterpoint?
00:45:08 ◼ ► So, I feel like we can spoil a lot of Counterpoint, but the premise—what's the main actor?
00:45:18 ◼ ► JK Simmons. And the premise of Counterpoint is that at some point, I think in the '70s,
00:45:41 ◼ ► Yeah, because it's a Cold War story, basically. It's a Cold War story between two universes.
00:45:49 ◼ ► Something happened at a secretive physics facility in Berlin that forked the universe into two
00:46:25 ◼ ► And for some people, their counterparts are living very different lives than the other.
00:46:33 ◼ ► And it's just two worlds, and the governments have kept this very secret. Very few people in
00:46:39 ◼ ► either world know about the existence of the other world. As soon as I knew the premise,
00:46:55 ◼ ► Yeah, I think so. I think, yeah. And now it's not streaming anywhere. You have to buy it.
00:47:06 ◼ ► but everywhere else, it looks like you have to buy it. But you can get it. Yeah, I mean,
00:47:40 ◼ ► they were hoping for a third season, but kind of knew that there was a chance that this
00:47:44 ◼ ► would be it and so sort of purpose—and I think that's what it felt like. It is unsatisfying,
00:47:58 ◼ ► It's interesting, I mean, that's a show where the—like, J.K. Simmons plays two different
00:48:04 ◼ ► versions of himself, and they're very different people, even though they were the same up
00:48:08 ◼ ► until 1988, basically. Their lives led them in very different directions since then, and
00:48:22 ◼ ► would think would be difficult and impossible. It is clearly the same guy, and you can see
00:48:35 ◼ ► But yet you definitely can feel that it is the same guy, even though they're different.
00:48:47 ◼ ► more aggressive and successful, and this is—oh, that's the other one who's a little bit
00:48:53 ◼ ► There is Jason, the character in Dark Matter, they're much more alike, even though they
00:49:14 ◼ ► sort of the counterpart premise, but instead of a nuclear incident, it's a big box that
00:50:27 ◼ ► I was, because I sometimes watch while I'm making dinner, and I started to turn, I turned
00:50:46 ◼ ► And especially if the general idea of an alternate universe show appeals to you, then you should
00:50:53 ◼ ► But I also think it makes sense that the different Jasons are harder to tell apart because it
00:51:39 ◼ ► There's a lot of trick, you know, and they fool you in a number of instances and that's
00:52:17 ◼ ► So they're trying to protect the world from these catastrophic events and for some reason
00:52:24 ◼ ► And part of the reason is because the people who are involved in the time travel project
00:52:44 ◼ ► And a number of the people who work on the project try and do that and it really screws
00:53:03 ◼ ► It was sort of a time travel show and it takes place in four different time periods in the
00:53:59 ◼ ► So, what are the odds that when Apple, who I have sort of devoted my career to pontificating
00:54:06 ◼ ► about, that they decide to get into streaming entertainment, that they wind up being my
00:54:48 ◼ ► one episode and it's like, I never got back to it and maybe I just wasn't in the mood for it.
00:54:53 ◼ ► I really expected to like it. So it's, and it's just been lingering on my list of, I'll get back
00:54:59 ◼ ► to that, but it's, I don't know. It's like I've had a really good stretch of never running out of,
00:55:10 ◼ ► I haven't had to dip into my older, I'll keep that in my back pocket to watch if I run out of stuff.
00:55:22 ◼ ► had to at this point pick a, there's a new show. If somebody just said, we're not even gonna tell
00:55:27 ◼ ► you the premise, we're not going to tell you the cast, but it's a new show and it's on, you just
00:55:32 ◼ ► have to pick which streaming one, but you have to watch the whole thing. I would pick Apple TV. I
00:55:37 ◼ ► think the average Apple TV show satisfies me and, and Amy, that we both enjoy watching these shows
00:55:44 ◼ ► better than any other streaming network. And the fact that a couple of these are science fictiony
00:55:50 ◼ ► or quite science fictiony, and yet Amy still enjoys them. I think she just is not into nerdy
00:56:05 ◼ ► Yeah, they're not pew pew. Amy does not like watching the various Star Wars shows. I mean...
00:56:19 ◼ ► Yeah, but Amy didn't watch it just because. And I was like, you would like this one. She's,
00:56:32 ◼ ► which is a book series that I've read recently. And they plowed through, there's like six of them,
00:56:37 ◼ ► I think, and then a couple of short stories, or maybe it's five in short story, I can't remember,
00:56:41 ◼ ► but I started reading the first one and I just, I blew through the rest of them in a few weeks. And
00:56:48 ◼ ► it's, it's a very fun series. And I'm very excited to, I hope it's going to turn out well,
00:56:57 ◼ ► Yeah, I have not heard of it. But, but again, you just tell me that Apple TV picked something up.
00:57:03 ◼ ► And at this point, their batting average is high enough that I'm like, oh, I'm excited.
00:57:07 ◼ ► The other thing I really am loving about Apple TV is that when they haven't once broken my heart
00:57:23 ◼ ► anything. They've, there've been some shows they haven't renewed, but I don't think any of the ones
00:57:30 ◼ ► that gained traction, right? I'm guessing, I'm going to guess Constellation doesn't get a season
00:57:35 ◼ ► two. I think they've already announced that it's not having one. Right. And I wonder if they'll do
00:57:39 ◼ ► Dark Matter, because I mean, this one, this is a show that it's a little bit more, I think,
00:57:47 ◼ ► I think there's three of them or something like that. And that they were using material from all
00:57:51 ◼ ► three. So I feel like maybe they don't need to do another season, but I would certainly enjoy it if
00:57:56 ◼ ► they did. All right. Well, Silo got picked up. Did you watch Silo? Yes. Oh, Silo. That's the other
00:58:01 ◼ ► one. Yeah. I like Silo. Yeah. I think Dark Matter is a little bit better for me, but I really enjoyed
00:58:05 ◼ ► Silo. Silo had the sort of padding out problem that I see in so many eight, nine, ten episode
00:58:15 ◼ ► seasons. Yeah. Where everybody always, of course, wants a good, you got to have a good first episode
00:58:19 ◼ ► to grip people and everybody wants to finish well. It's those episodes four and five where sometimes
00:58:26 ◼ ► you're like, I kind of feel like they had a contract to deliver nine episodes and they had
00:58:31 ◼ ► six and a half episodes of good scripts. Yeah. And here we are in the middle of it. I feel like
00:58:35 ◼ ► that's a problem in a lot of the Marvel and Star Wars. Definitely. I really think so with that
00:58:41 ◼ ► stuff. I don't want to go off on a Star Wars would be a whole other episode, but I liked the Obi-Wan
00:58:49 ◼ ► Kenobi show overall, but I really feel like the easiest thing they could have done to make it
00:58:55 ◼ ► better is make it shorter. I honestly think that they might've been able to cut it down to a two
00:59:00 ◼ ► hour or a little more than a two hour movie and it would have had way more dramatic impact. I just
00:59:07 ◼ ► thought, man, there's. Yeah, there is apparently someone has edited it. Someone that I want to
00:59:12 ◼ ► watch. I want to watch that because there's an edited version that, and I don't think it's the
00:59:17 ◼ ► kind of thing where it was like, oh, we're going to take out all of the characters of color. Cause
00:59:21 ◼ ► there are definitely those kinds of edits. I think it's more like, no, we're just going to tighten
00:59:25 ◼ ► this up a little bit. And I think you're right. It would benefit from that. So I would like to
00:59:29 ◼ ► watch that. Like there's one episode again, not spoiling it, but there's at least all I remember
00:59:34 ◼ ► from at least one entire episode of the show is it's Obi-Wan and a couple of characters who he's
00:59:40 ◼ ► trying to rescue in a spaceship that's being chased. And that's the whole thing. They're just
00:59:47 ◼ ► there, you know, like are the shields going to hold up? Are we going to make it? Can we,
00:59:52 ◼ ► can we fix the hyperdrive before they blow us up? Oh yeah. And that was a, that was a problem,
00:59:57 ◼ ► very big problem, I think with the first season of Foundation. There's a lot of stuff that happens in
01:00:02 ◼ ► the middle there where it's just like, nothing is really accomplished or it'll do a bunch of things.
01:00:08 ◼ ► And then like an episode later, it's all reset back to where they were at the beginning. And
01:00:13 ◼ ► it's like, why did we take that journey? The second season I think is significantly better
01:00:18 ◼ ► than the first season. Are you talking about Foundation? Foundation, yeah. Yeah, I agree too.
01:00:22 ◼ ► That's another, but that's another high profile science fiction story. I don't know. I'm just
01:00:27 ◼ ► really glad and I feel like Apple is leaning into the fact that Apple doesn't own any major
01:00:36 ◼ ► franchises, you know, that they don't have a Star Wars or a Harry Potter to milk. And yes, I guess
01:00:43 ◼ ► the closest they've gotten is with the monarch legacy of monsters, which is in a cinematic
01:00:49 ◼ ► universe. But overall, it just feels like they're picking up cool books or a series of books like
01:00:56 ◼ ► the silo and like the dark matter. And yeah, let's just do that and we'll just make sort of...
01:01:01 ◼ ► There's plenty of material out there. It's not like you don't need to redo all the same things
01:01:07 ◼ ► over and over again. Although I will say in general, I am opposed to making big companies
01:01:14 ◼ ► even bigger, but I do very much, because it is so dear to my heart, want Star Trek to find a decent
01:01:20 ◼ ► home and Paramount is making that very difficult, unfortunately. Yeah, it's too good of a franchise
01:01:27 ◼ ► to be on a floundering platform. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And they've got, they almost sold it and
01:01:32 ◼ ► then they seemed to blow up the deal. So I don't know. Yeah. Trying to think here, what else? Is
01:01:38 ◼ ► there any other shows that we want to mention? I am, I just started watching. Have you watched
01:01:42 ◼ ► Sugar? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Oh man. Yeah. Another one. A show that you don't even have to... We shouldn't
01:01:51 ◼ ► do details on that show. Right. You don't even have to warn me, but it's like the less you know,
01:01:56 ◼ ► the better. Right. But boy, was that really good. And I had no idea what to expect from it. No,
01:02:04 ◼ ► I didn't either. Yeah. To the point where I'm not even sure why I decided to watch it. It was like,
01:02:12 ◼ ► something about it. It's, I don't know. I kind of like detective shows. Yeah. Yeah. It has a good
01:02:16 ◼ ► mood. It's a modern detective noir. Yeah. Like a modern Rockford Files sort of vibe. And it's like,
01:02:27 ◼ ► and every single episode I was like, man, that was pretty cool. I have no idea where they're going.
01:02:34 ◼ ► And then all of a sudden it's like, I wrote... What? One thing I really liked about Sugar I've
01:02:42 ◼ ► noticed, have you noticed this? Sugar episodes are really curiously long. They're not that they are
01:02:49 ◼ ► long, but the length is curious. There's a bunch of them that are only like 35, 36, 37 minutes.
01:02:53 ◼ ► They're curiously short. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think is just great. It's okay. Here's a story.
01:03:00 ◼ ► It turns out it's 37 minutes long. It's like a chapter in a eight episode arc. This one turns
01:03:07 ◼ ► out we've got 37 minutes, a beginning, a middle, an end. The end leaves you wanting more. It's,
01:03:13 ◼ ► Oh my God, that's a twist. I didn't see coming. But instead of adding 20 more minutes because
01:03:19 ◼ ► they're all supposed to be about an hour. It's yeah. If you got 37. Yeah. I mean, none of these
01:03:24 ◼ ► are going to be shown on, I don't think they're ever going to appear on network TV. It's like,
01:03:29 ◼ ► you don't have to worry about like sticking a couple of commercials in and making it be an hour.
01:03:33 ◼ ► You know, you're doing a streaming service, just make them an hour long they should be.
01:03:37 ◼ ► While we're saying about curiously short episodes, the other show that pops to mind on that is,
01:03:53 ◼ ► It's M Night Shyamalan and it is a very M Night Shyamalan premise. I'm not big on horror to begin
01:04:00 ◼ ► with. Yeah, so and that's, this is all coming. It's usually a tough sell, but. It's all coming
01:04:07 ◼ ► back to me, which is why you didn't watch it. But if you like horror, it's good. And it was,
01:04:13 ◼ ► it was like a must watch for our family because they literally shoot the show, like three blocks
01:04:20 ◼ ► from our house. It is not just in Philadelphia, but in our neighborhood, which is like bizarre.
01:04:26 ◼ ► The funnest thing they ever did, at least as when they're shooting in your neighborhood, was making
01:04:33 ◼ ► early October look like a snowy middle of winter. But it's like salt, like the fake snow was all
01:04:40 ◼ ► salt. And really, yeah, it was really, really cool. And you could like just sort of walk. I mean,
01:04:45 ◼ ► they had like police barricades, so you wouldn't, wasn't like I could wander onto the set. But
01:04:50 ◼ ► yeah, I could wander by the end of the block and just sort of stick my foot out and crunch.
01:05:03 ◼ ► I don't know. I have no idea. I really thought that I was like, I don't know. I bet this is,
01:05:08 ◼ ► it seems like that wouldn't be great. I was like, I'll bet all this salt that is posing as fake snow
01:05:14 ◼ ► is really easy to dump in shape. And I bet it's going to be a week before they clean it up. And
01:05:18 ◼ ► I came by the next day and it was just gone. It was unbelievable. It was like the crew that John
01:05:40 ◼ ► Pete; Yeah. Yeah. But they're always good together, but that's, I don't know. It just seems like
01:05:45 ◼ ► that's, it's just become the home for people who, you know, and again, not like highbrow
01:05:50 ◼ ► entertainment per se, but just sort of, Hey, you don't have to completely turn off your brain
01:05:57 ◼ ► entertainment. And I, it's just kind of amazing to me that it's Apple of all companies that's sort of
01:06:04 ◼ ► eking out the specialty. I'm trying to think if there's any other show I wanted to shout out. Oh,
01:06:24 ◼ ► maybe they'll change it at the end, but I know the, it's sort of a who done it and I know who
01:06:41 ◼ ► man accused of a crime he didn't commit, but with the twist of, or did he commit it? I don't know.
01:06:52 ◼ ► got a lot of traction out of that genre, I think. Pete; Right, right. Because what was the,
01:06:59 ◼ ► Pete; The Fugitive, right. Pete; And then there's another one, there's another one where he goes to
01:07:08 ◼ ► Pete; No, it's not missing, but it's… Pete; No, but that's the one that was directed by
01:07:46 ◼ ► well, fortunately or unfortunately, he is a talented director, but it is what it is. But
01:07:52 ◼ ► I don't think Frantic is going to happen in today's world. But yes, Harrison Ford has eked
01:07:58 ◼ ► out a pretty good sub-career in man accused of crimes he didn't commit or did he, sort of things.
01:08:19 ◼ ► And it really did, there was a moment where I thought to myself, boy, I'm glad I've never
01:08:33 ◼ ► Pete; Yeah, I shouldn't actually say that out loud. That's, that's what's keeping me honest.
01:08:55 ◼ ► Pete; Karen was interested in watching that show, then she got, she got sucked back into the wire,
01:09:02 ◼ ► Pete; Which is really good. She wanted to watch Homicide, but you can't, it's not streaming
01:09:18 ◼ ► never streamed is Homicide, and I think maybe it has something to do because Andre Brauer
01:09:24 ◼ ► died last year and it sort of re-upped it, like, hey, this was too good a show not to be streaming,
01:09:31 ◼ ► let's take this one off the pile and prioritize figuring out a way to get it on Netflix or
01:09:44 ◼ ► Pete; Just one of those articles where they, like, put the thing that you want all the way
01:10:02 ◼ ► subtitles fans over the years. And now, like, I mean, I think Karen and I turn it on, I mean,
01:10:08 ◼ ► Hank has a bit of a hearing loss, so I think that's how it started. He always needs them
01:10:12 ◼ ► and would always prefer them. And then now that I've gotten used to them, I like to have them on.
01:10:18 ◼ ► Pete; I don't watch most shows with them on, but I need them for a couple of shows. I've griped
01:10:24 ◼ ► about it on the, you know, in my writing sometimes about the way that audio gets mixed these days,
01:10:30 ◼ ► or I was writing about the fact that certain apps on Apple TV don't support, there's a triple click
01:10:34 ◼ ► shortcut to, you triple click the back button and it automatically does the go back 15 seconds and
01:10:43 ◼ ► turn on subtitles temporarily. One of the coolest features they announced at WWDC, which is sort of
01:10:49 ◼ ► like, hey, why didn't somebody think of this a while ago, is it's when you go back 15 seconds,
01:10:54 ◼ ► they're just, it's, Apple TV is just going to turn on subtitles automatically. So, like,
01:10:59 ◼ ► you just go back with the new, come fall when the new tvOS update comes out, which is a great
01:11:05 ◼ ► feature. I'm sure there's an option to turn it off, but every time I go back 15 or 30 seconds,
01:11:10 ◼ ► I do want subtitles back on. But I think the other thing about watching more English language stuff
01:11:16 ◼ ► with subtitles on, either throughout or just for stretches or certain scenes, is it's made
01:11:23 ◼ ► watching foreign language stuff better, like, to go back to Godzilla minus one. Amy and Jonas,
01:11:32 ◼ ► just less of a fan of foreign films with subtitles than I am. Nobody's got their foot down like, no,
01:11:37 ◼ ► I'm not going to do it, but yeah. Well, like I said, I watch a lot of stuff while I'm doing
01:11:42 ◼ ► something else, like usually making dinner. And so, when it is a foreign language movie or show,
01:11:48 ◼ ► I have to devote other time to it in order to be able to understand. I've tried watching, like,
01:11:52 ◼ ► I tried to watch Dark with the Dub version and I just, it doesn't work as well, I think,
01:11:58 ◼ ► because everyone says Dark is such a great show and I started watching and thought, this is dumb.
01:12:21 ◼ ► Right. It was pretty cool. That's the other thing too, is sometimes these things happen by surprise.
01:12:25 ◼ ► Netflix is pretty good at keeping stuff under surprise. There was some weird, just to bring it
01:12:30 ◼ ► full circle back to Godzilla minus one, there was some weird licensing thing with Godzilla minus one,
01:12:39 ◼ ► where the, to make a prequel that's sort of outside the cinematic universe that Universal
01:12:47 ◼ ► is currently spending billions on, the streaming rights for Godzilla minus one were ambiguous for
01:12:55 ◼ ► a while, you know, and it hit theaters last fall, was a surprise hit. It won the Oscar for best
01:13:00 ◼ ► visual effects and it got really high remarks from reviewers. And they were like, but this kind of
01:13:06 ◼ ► stinks because you'd think ordinarily like six weeks after it leaves theaters, it'll hit streaming
01:13:11 ◼ ► somewhere and it didn't. And then all of a sudden it was like the news came out, Netflix has it,
01:13:17 ◼ ► and it's there right now. You can just go watch it today, which is sort of the Netflix way,
01:13:22 ◼ ► which is kind of cool instead of, oh yeah, write that down or put it in your app so that three
01:13:27 ◼ ► months from now, you'll be reminded to watch this movie that's coming to Netflix. Netflix is like,
01:13:34 ◼ ► Yeah. And so that was one, yeah, which was in a foreign language. And also I managed to squeeze
01:13:40 ◼ ► in, like I didn't know what else in my family wanted to watch it particularly. And so I,
01:13:43 ◼ ► when Karen and Hank were out of the house, I got to watch it on the big screen TV. So that was,
01:13:51 ◼ ► because I think that would have been a good one to see in the theater, but I just missed it.
01:13:54 ◼ ► That's about it for me. I am looking forward to now that it is out. Have you watched The Bear?
01:14:21 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, it was called, what was it? The episode was titled Three Fishes,
01:14:33 ◼ ► It was the most realistic depiction of a family holiday get together I've ever seen put together.
01:14:45 ◼ ► Well, in the way that it was, yes, it was a little worse than my family or anything I've seen, but
01:14:53 ◼ ► the feeling of it was, including the fact, and it's just like a little thing that's always
01:15:01 ◼ ► driven me nuts, even as a little kid, the way that in movies, people have much bigger houses
01:15:07 ◼ ► than people in real life have. And in that episode, it's like a one hour episode about a
01:15:13 ◼ ► Christmas dinner with an extended family and a lot of, a lot of tension between family members.
01:15:20 ◼ ► And sort of a documentary feel, you know, like it's not quite like the old 24 show where it
01:15:26 ◼ ► takes place in real time, but it was, you know, maybe two hours of a family dinner compressed
01:15:31 ◼ ► to 45 minutes. But the thing that really got me as, oh my God, this is so realistic, is trying to
01:15:37 ◼ ► fit 12 family members around a dining room table that ordinarily is for five or six people. And
01:15:44 ◼ ► it's like everybody's chair is up against the wall. And when two family members maybe are going to
01:15:50 ◼ ► have a fist fight, they can't even get to each other because it's too crowded. That to me,
01:15:55 ◼ ► on both sides of my family for decades is sort of the feeling of like Christmas or Thanksgiving
01:16:01 ◼ ► dinner. It's give me that chair. I don't care if my back is against the wall. And then I'm like,
01:16:05 ◼ ► why did I take this chair? I can't even stand up. We went to, my mom had her 90th birthday last
01:16:11 ◼ ► November. And so the family flew to Florida to see her. And we were there for a few days. We
01:16:17 ◼ ► had a very good time. One night at dinner, we go to dinner at a very nice place and we're arguing
01:16:24 ◼ ► fairly quickly after dinner. But the wait staff there was so great. The guy, like the maitre d'
01:16:30 ◼ ► came up and I think he was from Albania. I think he said he was from Albania. And he's,
01:16:36 ◼ ► and like we're having this argument and the guy comes up and says, gosh, you made it 20 minutes.
01:16:42 ◼ ► Usually in Albania, we're fighting by the first five. And it just like, it deflated the whole
01:16:58 ◼ ► Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Read the family. That would fly very well in my family too, as an icebreaker.
01:17:05 ◼ ► But I can imagine some other families where it just makes it worse. Now we've got the waiter
01:17:10 ◼ ► involved. Right. All right. Thank you, John. That's a pretty good watch list, I think, for
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