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00:00:07 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 508.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It is made possible this week by our sponsors, ZocDoc, Tailscale, and KRCS.

00:00:19 ◼   ► I am your keynote chairman, Stephen Hackett, and I'm joined by your annual chairman, Mike Hurley.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, I am the annual chairman, Mike Hurley, and I'm here to let you know

00:00:29 ◼   ► that because of the DMA, unfortunately, we're unsure if we're allowed to have Federico anymore.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Federico, I don't know if you're there.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Are you allowed to confirm if you're allowed to be on the show anymore?

00:00:43 ◼   ► Hi, I thought I was going to prank you for a second.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Yeah, well, the DMA does not apply to me.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Oh, wow, listen to this.

00:00:54 ◼   ► No one can cage him in, you know?

00:00:57 ◼   ► He's Federico Petici.

00:00:59 ◼   ► No legislation can hold him down.

00:01:01 ◼   ► I'm not a chairman, but I can still be on the show.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:06 ◼   ► That's right.

00:01:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:07 ◼   ► Look, we all--

00:01:09 ◼   ► Chairman of Europe.

00:01:10 ◼   ► Chairman of Europe.

00:01:11 ◼   ► We've all been in that season, right, where we don't hold a title, and part of you feels diminished, right?

00:01:21 ◼   ► Like you feel cold in the morning.

00:01:24 ◼   ► No, I don't.

00:01:25 ◼   ► I don't have those problems.

00:01:26 ◼   ► I don't think it's possible for Federico to feel diminished.

00:01:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:31 ◼   ► I feel like the title was robbed from me, if anything.

00:01:34 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:01:35 ◼   ► You're probably right.

00:01:36 ◼   ► I feel like Federico is very "in-minished."

00:01:39 ◼   ► Like, I don't know what the opposite of diminished is.

00:01:40 ◼   ► I'm very augmented.

00:01:43 ◼   ► Augmented.

00:01:44 ◼   ► He's a cyber teacher.

00:01:47 ◼   ► He's got his hacks going on, and he's ready to go.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Whatever the opposite of diminished is, that's what I am.

00:01:53 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:55 ◼   ► No.

00:01:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:56 ◼   ► Anyway, it's good to be back on the show.

00:01:58 ◼   ► I listened to the previous episode, fun episode, so thank you guys for taking care of that.

00:02:04 ◼   ► And I wanted to especially mention that from the pro show, I really loved the name "needle" as an idea for a Threads client.

00:02:14 ◼   ► If those ever become a reality, I thought that was a really good suggestion.

00:02:19 ◼   ► And Steven, your dead joke about the tapestry of clients was horrible.

00:02:25 ◼   ► So thank you, I think.

00:02:28 ◼   ► If you would like to hear all of these great suggestions and jokes, then you should become a Connected Pro member.

00:02:33 ◼   ► Go to getconnectedpro.co, and you can sign up.

00:02:36 ◼   ► That's right.

00:02:38 ◼   ► I'm glad you enjoyed the show last week because part of that show is here this week in the form of follow up.

00:02:45 ◼   ► That was nice.

00:02:47 ◼   ► Chris wrote in, this is the last time we're going to talk about the today view.

00:02:50 ◼   ► I wasn't going to do it, but I realized that I wanted to hear Federico's take on it.

00:02:54 ◼   ► So Chris wrote in, I'm deep into focus modes and the today view is a place where the widgets stay consistent regardless of which focus mode I am in.

00:03:05 ◼   ► I'm now interjecting.

00:03:06 ◼   ► Do we think it's because Apple forgot about the today view when they were making focus modes?

00:03:10 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

00:03:11 ◼   ► No, because it's not that they've forgotten about it.

00:03:13 ◼   ► It's that they are not adding to it because they're going to remove it.

00:03:17 ◼   ► All right, the clues are all here.

00:03:19 ◼   ► OK, Red String Man on, you know.

00:03:23 ◼   ► I am Charlie Day.

00:03:24 ◼   ► I am connecting all of the points, but this is another one.

00:03:28 ◼   ► That's why we named the show Connected, actually.

00:03:31 ◼   ► I will add to that, that I think Mike is onto something and I will say they are not going to spend any more engineering efforts into the today view because that today view will eventually become a smart Apple intelligence view.

00:03:47 ◼   ► Where instead of widgets, you can get just about anywhere else at this point on iOS.

00:03:54 ◼   ► Instead of widgets, you will have some like Google has this, something similar to that, like Apple intelligence giving you an actual brief of the day or like a like a, you know, just an Apple intelligence page where you can get a bunch of AI features.

00:04:10 ◼   ► Well, actually making it more like a today view, which it currently is just a widgets page.

00:04:14 ◼   ► Like there's nothing else there.

00:04:16 ◼   ► Federico, you may be able to answer a question for me now that I just thought.

00:04:20 ◼   ► If you tint your home screen stuff and IOS 18, does it do anything to the today view?

00:04:28 ◼   ► Oh, let's see.

00:04:29 ◼   ► No, I don't think so.

00:04:30 ◼   ► One of you beta boys can let me know.

00:04:32 ◼   ► I got my beta right here.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Let me see.

00:04:34 ◼   ► No, because when you tint the icons, it only applies to the icons.

00:04:37 ◼   ► That's not true.

00:04:38 ◼   ► Widgets tint. Widgets tint too.

00:04:40 ◼   ► It does tint the today view.

00:04:42 ◼   ► Yeah, it does.

00:04:43 ◼   ► Okay. Cause I was going to say, if it didn't like, that's another big, big thing to connect some string to, you know?

00:04:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:50 ◼   ► I never used the tinting.

00:04:52 ◼   ► So, uh, for the first time in a few years, I think this year's, uh, home screen updates are like things that I, I think Apple is writing doing, but for the first time in a few years, things that are not for me, like, um, the tinting or the custom icon layouts.

00:05:09 ◼   ► I think those are for a lot of people, very welcome.

00:05:12 ◼   ► And for the first time in a few years, things that I will never use.

00:05:15 ◼   ► So yeah, never used the tinting.

00:05:17 ◼   ► These are not for the old man iPhone users that we have become.

00:05:22 ◼   ► Right?

00:05:22 ◼   ► This is what I think we noticed immediately, which is like, this is great that you can do this, but I have spent like 15 years working on just having what I want on my home screen.

00:05:32 ◼   ► Like I don't have space to have space.

00:05:34 ◼   ► Although I will say I did have this thought.

00:05:38 ◼   ► I think it was listening to Mac power users.

00:05:40 ◼   ► I have a widget space on my iPhone for home screen widgets.

00:05:45 ◼   ► So like on my, on my home screen, that's the home app.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Right?

00:05:50 ◼   ► So I have home, hello, my name is Michael Hurley and I'm here with a scrambled brain.

00:05:58 ◼   ► On my, on my iPhone home screen, you know, if you're familiar with the iPhone.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I am.

00:06:07 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:06:07 ◼   ► Are you, are you?

00:06:08 ◼   ► Here's the question.

00:06:10 ◼   ► I am a professional.

00:06:12 ◼   ► Like people pay me to speak.

00:06:14 ◼   ► What are you trying to say?

00:06:16 ◼   ► What are you trying to say?

00:06:17 ◼   ► I'm too far in it now.

00:06:18 ◼   ► So I have on my home screen, my second screen, a space for home widgets, right?

00:06:26 ◼   ► Like a widget.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:27 ◼   ► My home.

00:06:28 ◼   ► Yes, yes, I get it.

00:06:31 ◼   ► Home widgets.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:33 ◼   ► When I'm doing this and neither of you are saying anything, it gets worse.

00:06:37 ◼   ► You have a second page on your home screen that you only use for homekit widgets.

00:06:42 ◼   ► No, not only, but there is a spec, there is like, I have a, I have a medium widget there.

00:06:47 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:47 ◼   ► There's a space for home widgets.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Home.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:51 ◼   ► For the home.

00:06:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:52 ◼   ► For the home app, medium sized widget.

00:06:55 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:55 ◼   ► And with the updates to control center, I feel like I'm not going to need that widget anymore

00:07:01 ◼   ► because I expect I will be able to specifically define what I want, which was what I was asking

00:07:08 ◼   ► for two years ago or a year ago.

00:07:10 ◼   ► And then Apple gave me that widget where you can define what you want.

00:07:13 ◼   ► So it was like, oh, that solved the problem.

00:07:15 ◼   ► But I feel like not only will I be able to get the widgets, like, will I be able to specify

00:07:21 ◼   ► exactly what controls and our actions I want in, in a view in control center for home that

00:07:26 ◼   ► I'll also get the enhancements of being able to use those to change brightness levels and

00:07:30 ◼   ► stuff rather than the way it is on the, uh, the home on like the widget right now for

00:07:36 ◼   ► home where you can just turn things on and off.

00:07:39 ◼   ► So that will actually give me some space that I don't currently have.

00:07:43 ◼   ► And I wonder if I might like rearrange things to, because I'll have that space, but I don't

00:07:49 ◼   ► know, I'll have the space, which is good is what I want to say.

00:07:53 ◼   ► Okay.

00:07:54 ◼   ► I'm glad you said that we're going to leave it all in exactly as it happened.

00:07:57 ◼   ► I mean, there's no way to edit around it, like that's for sure.

00:08:00 ◼   ► It's just in there.

00:08:01 ◼   ► No, we don't pay any edit or enough money to try and make sense of that.

00:08:06 ◼   ► I did the thing recently I was editing something and the person restarted a word, but halfway

00:08:16 ◼   ► through it.

00:08:17 ◼   ► So I didn't have a clean moment like of the whole word.

00:08:22 ◼   ► I did a thing where I cut the middle of it out and squish it together and you can't,

00:08:25 ◼   ► you can't tell.

00:08:26 ◼   ► It's like the best editing trick.

00:08:28 ◼   ► It makes you feel like an AI or an AI.

00:08:32 ◼   ► No, I think humans do it better than AI right now, but for now it makes you feel so powerful

00:08:38 ◼   ► if you're able to do that.

00:08:41 ◼   ► You never finished Chris's follow up, but like, by the way, well, we're halfway through

00:08:46 ◼   ► it.

00:08:47 ◼   ► I know.

00:08:48 ◼   ► So Chris continues.

00:08:50 ◼   ► I get music, podcasts and contact widgets there.

00:08:53 ◼   ► So don't have to keep them on main pages.

00:08:55 ◼   ► I don't have to duplicate those in every focus mode.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Just wanted to share an alternative use case.

00:09:00 ◼   ► I think it's a very good alternative use case.

00:09:03 ◼   ► I don't, the only focus mode I use asleep.

00:09:06 ◼   ► And so I, I, I gave up on all the other side.

00:09:08 ◼   ► I was not aware of this, the way that this worked, but a very cool.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Well, I recommend that Chris creates the second home screen page of all of these things on

00:09:18 ◼   ► because the today view is going to go away.

00:09:20 ◼   ► You know, it's funny.

00:09:21 ◼   ► I've been paying attention in the last week or so.

00:09:23 ◼   ► Like I've used the today view a few times because I have like a shortcuts widget there.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Like, so I'm aware that I'm doing it sometimes, but I actually think that these specific things

00:09:33 ◼   ► I will also put in control center because the point is having access to them in more

00:09:39 ◼   ► places when they'll be in control center.

00:09:40 ◼   ► And then here's a thought, if this were to go away and Chris's use case would be obviously

00:09:48 ◼   ► broken a little bit, if you really relied on this with the solution be, instead of using

00:09:54 ◼   ► focus modes, you have an iPhone for each focus.

00:09:57 ◼   ► So it was like, Oh, this is the phone I use at work.

00:09:59 ◼   ► This is the phone I use at home.

00:10:00 ◼   ► This is the phone I use when I'm running.

00:10:02 ◼   ► And like, they're all sure how that solves Chris's problem or individually, it was just

00:10:07 ◼   ► an alternative.

00:10:08 ◼   ► Maybe that's what Apple wants.

00:10:09 ◼   ► You know, they're going to get rid of the today view to sell more phones.

00:10:12 ◼   ► Think about it.

00:10:13 ◼   ► That is thinking about that, that on your corkboard mic.

00:10:16 ◼   ► You know, the other meme, the one with the dominoes, you know, like the guys pushing

00:10:20 ◼   ► the domino.

00:10:21 ◼   ► Yes.

00:10:22 ◼   ► That's what you're trying to, if that happened, then that's what you're building.

00:10:27 ◼   ► Cause I don't know what those steps in the middle are, but I guess that's the point.

00:10:31 ◼   ► You are today view user Federico?

00:10:33 ◼   ► Not really.

00:10:35 ◼   ► No, it's a, it used to be like an aspirational feature for me where I would put widgets and

00:10:41 ◼   ► be like, Oh yeah, I put widgets there.

00:10:42 ◼   ► Now I can use them.

00:10:44 ◼   ► And then I never do.

00:10:45 ◼   ► But there's something bigger at play here, which is I think actually like, I don't think

00:10:52 ◼   ► I'm a big widget person on my iPhone at all.

00:10:55 ◼   ► Like the thing is I do have one small widget on my home screen and that's about it.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Because like I really don't like swiping and scrolling to access information.

00:11:11 ◼   ► I use widgets on my iPad a bunch.

00:11:12 ◼   ► Like I think, you know, the iPad with the extra space, I think widgets make more sense

00:11:17 ◼   ► there.

00:11:18 ◼   ► But on my iPhone, if I'm supposed to navigate between multiple pages to get to a widget,

00:11:25 ◼   ► or if I'm supposed to scroll through a stack of widgets, like by the time I'm done scrolling

00:11:32 ◼   ► or, or, you know, swiping between pages, like what I could do instead is pull down spotlight,

00:11:40 ◼   ► open the app I'm looking for.

00:11:42 ◼   ► Like why swipe multiple times or scroll multiple times to get to the calendar widget where

00:11:47 ◼   ► I can just search for Cal, open calendar and I'm done.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Like I'm a big spotlight user on the iPhone, much more than widgets.

00:11:57 ◼   ► And this is something that I've started to really realize over, over the past year.

00:12:02 ◼   ► Like I think widgets are better than ever, but on the iPhone, the way the home screen

00:12:09 ◼   ► is designed and the way spotlight is so easily accessible.

00:12:14 ◼   ► And now with control center becoming customizable, like I don't think I'm, I'm going to use widgets

00:12:21 ◼   ► that much, honestly.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:12:24 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:25 ◼   ► Friendship ended with widget.

00:12:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:27 ◼   ► Spotlight my new best friend.

00:12:28 ◼   ► Control center.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Oh, spotlight.

00:12:30 ◼   ► I love spotlight.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Like I use spotlight so much, especially because I like to keep a single screen.

00:12:37 ◼   ► And since I started keeping a single home screen, I've also started using the app library

00:12:41 ◼   ► a lot more.

00:12:42 ◼   ► Yeah baby.

00:12:43 ◼   ► I know you come around.

00:12:44 ◼   ► Because when you're, yeah, I know it's actually pretty good because when you swipe left, it's

00:12:48 ◼   ► immediately right there.

00:12:49 ◼   ► If you have a single home screen, you swipe left and the next page is the app library.

00:12:53 ◼   ► And so both spotlight and the app library, I guess I like search.

00:12:57 ◼   ► I, it would be the, the, the, the big realization here.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I like search more than glanceable info.

00:13:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:13:07 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:13:08 ◼   ► So no, I don't use the today view.

00:13:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:14 ◼   ► Mike, tell us about design apps for the iPad.

00:13:16 ◼   ► Well, people wrote in, um, I, I tried out, uh, concepts, uh, and we had Michael who's

00:13:24 ◼   ► an architect write in to say, I am an architect and I will buy an iPad for concepts alone.

00:13:29 ◼   ► So I second the on air vote and hope you give it a deep look.

00:13:32 ◼   ► And this is the thing.

00:13:33 ◼   ► I gave it a quick look and is there's a lot going on in this application.

00:13:38 ◼   ► It's like quite intimidating.

00:13:39 ◼   ► I think, uh, like if you want to pick a color, uh, how about color swatches with every possible

00:13:46 ◼   ► color in the world?

00:13:47 ◼   ► It's like, okay, like there's a lot happening, uh, in the concepts app.

00:13:50 ◼   ► And so I've downloaded it and I've put up my iPad home screen and I'm like gonna poke

00:13:54 ◼   ► around of it.

00:13:55 ◼   ► I feel like this is an application that's probably best served by watching a video course,

00:14:01 ◼   ► but I also feel similar about procreate like procreate is another app, really powerful,

00:14:06 ◼   ► but it's just like, there's so much that you'd have to dig into.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Um, but that I, you know, I guess it's, I could go on, right?

00:14:14 ◼   ► Like Photoshop to any of these applications that are intentionally deep.

00:14:19 ◼   ► They did.

00:14:20 ◼   ► The learning curve is hard.

00:14:22 ◼   ► Um, there was a, there was also another recommendation for an app called more folio trace from BG

00:14:28 ◼   ► who was also an architect.

00:14:29 ◼   ► Usually architects and iPads are best friends, which actually kind of makes sense.

00:14:33 ◼   ► Uh, more folio trace gives you layers of, uh, like tracing paper.

00:14:37 ◼   ► So it's a great way to set scale and a rule of, so like, you know, you're, instead of

00:14:41 ◼   ► just like the layers are intentionally see-through, which I think is an interesting idea for design.

00:14:46 ◼   ► So I've got all of these apps downloaded to try out.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Uh, I see the benefit of concepts, but I do wonder if maybe I want to use free form for

00:14:56 ◼   ► a bit first to graduate to something like concepts.

00:15:00 ◼   ► Like I've never even used an app like this, like these infinite canvas apps for anything

00:15:06 ◼   ► other than playing around, you know, like we've all set up free form boards and dump

00:15:10 ◼   ► on stuff and shared them with people and drawn pictures in our vision pros or whatever.

00:15:15 ◼   ► But the idea of actually using an app like this for work is something I've not done.

00:15:20 ◼   ► And so I do feel like concepts might be a bit too high of a bar for me right now.

00:15:25 ◼   ► And I'm going to try free form, but I put them both on my home, the home screen of my

00:15:29 ◼   ► 13 inch iPad pro next to each other to kind of like poke around with them when I have

00:15:33 ◼   ► some time and a use for it, but very powerful applications and I appreciate the recommendations.

00:15:39 ◼   ► Um, but yeah, just got to get away out a little bit first.

00:15:44 ◼   ► I think it definitely seems like there's a whole world of apps in this category.

00:15:47 ◼   ► I would just wasn't aware of, and some of them look bonkers.

00:15:52 ◼   ► It's cool though.

00:15:53 ◼   ► I mean, yeah.

00:15:54 ◼   ► Uh, you know, if, if I were to design a building, right, I'd probably do it on an iPad.

00:15:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:00 ◼   ► Here's like flinging windows around.

00:16:02 ◼   ► I mean, I, I feel like anything where you're, you're doing something professionally with

00:16:08 ◼   ► a drawing tool.

00:16:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:11 ◼   ► It's very easy to move to the iPad.

00:16:13 ◼   ► Like, because now you have so much more flexibility and power available to you than you had before

00:16:21 ◼   ► because now you have a computer underneath you instead of pen and paper.

00:16:26 ◼   ► Like I think that there is a very smart like scale there that gets you to that point.

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00:18:30 ◼   ► Then find and book a top rated doctor today.

00:18:33 ◼   ► That's Zocdoc.

00:18:34 ◼   ► Z-O-C-D-O-C.

00:18:35 ◼   ► Zocdoc.com/connected.

00:18:36 ◼   ► Federico, there's a line in the document that says Federico also has an app request.

00:18:47 ◼   ► What's up?

00:18:48 ◼   ► Yeah, so this is a pretty simple question.

00:18:51 ◼   ► So I subscribe to a few websites that I enjoy reading their stuff and they have obviously

00:19:02 ◼   ► subscription models.

00:19:05 ◼   ► So what I'm looking for, and usually I like to read those websites in their original website

00:19:11 ◼   ► design.

00:19:12 ◼   ► Like I don't want to save them to a read later app.

00:19:15 ◼   ► I just want to cycle through those websites like every night or every morning and see

00:19:21 ◼   ► what's new.

00:19:23 ◼   ► Now you may just say, well, just bookmark them in Safari and open a new tab for each

00:19:29 ◼   ► of these websites.

00:19:31 ◼   ► And sure that could work, but I'm curious to see if there's an iOS and iPadOS, like

00:19:39 ◼   ► a quote unquote browser app that I can use just to read some specific websites.

00:19:46 ◼   ► Like a stripped down version of Safari that puts the emphasis on this like 10 bookmarks

00:19:53 ◼   ► that I have.

00:19:54 ◼   ► And I'm not looking for an RSS replacement.

00:19:58 ◼   ► I guess the closest analogy to what I'm looking for is like, like imagine a single site browser

00:20:05 ◼   ► app, but it's not for a single site.

00:20:07 ◼   ► It's just to browse, I don't know, five websites.

00:20:11 ◼   ► I was thinking about the app feed with like five E's in the middle.

00:20:16 ◼   ► It's called feed.

00:20:19 ◼   ► I like sometimes when you say something like that, like, you know, I was thinking about

00:20:23 ◼   ► this.

00:20:24 ◼   ► I've never heard of this application, but it's just obviously you are just more plugged

00:20:29 ◼   ► into the new apps, right?

00:20:31 ◼   ► It's a pretty cool looking app.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Nilayan reviewed this one on Mac stories a few months back.

00:20:37 ◼   ► And it's sort of the idea of feed is to aggregate multiple news sources into one.

00:20:43 ◼   ► So like you can bookmark websites, but you can also import RSS.

00:20:47 ◼   ► You can follow YouTube channels, Reddit communities and read it all in one place.

00:20:53 ◼   ► And that's more tool than I need.

00:20:57 ◼   ► Literally what I'm looking for is like a separate browser that keeps my cookies and keeps my

00:21:01 ◼   ► login session active for the seven websites that I pay a subscription for.

00:21:08 ◼   ► And I want to read them in a separate UI from Safari.

00:21:12 ◼   ► Is there a way to do this on iOS and iPadOS?

00:21:15 ◼   ► I'm going to ask you the request that the suggestion that Kate put in Discord, which

00:21:20 ◼   ► is like, have you considered a tab group for these?

00:21:23 ◼   ► I don't really like using tab groups because then if you are in one of those websites and

00:21:29 ◼   ► you open a tab, then it, you know, it's, I'm really not a fan of the tab group UI and how

00:21:37 ◼   ► it works.

00:21:38 ◼   ► And then when I re-open Safari, I'm in the tab group.

00:21:43 ◼   ► No, I want to keep my browser for opening link.

00:21:46 ◼   ► Like and then if I close the tab group and I go to ivory and I click on a link in ivory,

00:21:51 ◼   ► and it opens in the tab group and it has nothing to do with the websites that I want to read

00:21:55 ◼   ► in there.

00:21:56 ◼   ► No, like if possible, I would prefer to avoid tab groups.

00:22:00 ◼   ► And have you considered just using another browser like Arc or iCab?

00:22:05 ◼   ► No.

00:22:06 ◼   ► Wow.

00:22:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:08 ◼   ► To which was that sound or was it to all?

00:22:11 ◼   ► To Arc, which is the saddest story of 2024, an app that started with some really clever

00:22:17 ◼   ► UI decisions and then had to screw it all up with AI.

00:22:20 ◼   ► Thanks!

00:22:21 ◼   ► I'm just going to say I intentionally provoked you and I apologize for doing that.

00:22:27 ◼   ► I intentionally said Arc first because I wanted to get your reaction.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Yeah, that was the reaction.

00:22:35 ◼   ► It's the most like at the end of the year, we'll give it an award for like most bummer

00:22:40 ◼   ► of an app release in 2024.

00:22:43 ◼   ► Started out with some genuinely incredible UI ideas.

00:22:48 ◼   ► And then they had to do the AI thing.

00:22:51 ◼   ► I mean, they did the thing that was the most obvious, right?

00:22:57 ◼   ► For what they are, right?

00:22:59 ◼   ► As a, I believe, venture-based new browser, the obvious thing that they would do is go

00:23:06 ◼   ► hard on AI.

00:23:07 ◼   ► Like that is the...

00:23:09 ◼   ► I'm not saying it's the right thing, but it is the obvious thing that you would do as

00:23:14 ◼   ► the company in their shoes.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Yeah, so anyway, to answer your question, I could use another browser, but typically

00:23:23 ◼   ► browsers have a whole series of functionalities that like...

00:23:29 ◼   ► I'm looking for something really simple, ideally, where like here's your five websites.

00:23:35 ◼   ► Open one, read it, open the second one, read it.

00:23:38 ◼   ► Like something simple, you know, doesn't have to have a lot of features.

00:23:44 ◼   ► I just want to take this, and I literally believe it's six or seven websites, take them

00:23:49 ◼   ► out of Safari and read them in a standalone environment.

00:23:53 ◼   ► That is not a read later app.

00:23:54 ◼   ► Like I don't need a text parser.

00:23:56 ◼   ► I don't need any of those features.

00:23:58 ◼   ► I just need something simple to keep seven websites bookmarked and read them without

00:24:04 ◼   ► AI, without text parser, without like...

00:24:08 ◼   ► It's not even necessary to have an ad blocker because those websites don't have ads.

00:24:14 ◼   ► Since I pay them.

00:24:15 ◼   ► So yeah, it's like something like Fluid.

00:24:20 ◼   ► Remember Fluid on macOS?

00:24:23 ◼   ► But with support for multiple websites and a clean iOS and iPadOS UI.

00:24:28 ◼   ► Just that.

00:24:30 ◼   ► I'm going to make another really weird...

00:24:32 ◼   ► I'm just going to make a weird suggestion.

00:24:34 ◼   ► What about...

00:24:35 ◼   ► You're going to hate it.

00:24:36 ◼   ► A folder on your home screen that has each website saved as a program of attitude.

00:24:46 ◼   ► Like honestly, if it comes to that, I think that's what I'm going to do.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Like if I cannot find a dedicated browser app that does that, I think that's what I'm

00:24:56 ◼   ► going to do.

00:24:57 ◼   ► Just save them to the home screen, put them in a folder and have little icons for each.

00:25:03 ◼   ► And that's what I'm going to do.

00:25:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:05 ◼   ► So do these websites not offer RSS feeds?

00:25:08 ◼   ► Is that the...

00:25:09 ◼   ► They do.

00:25:10 ◼   ► But also like I subscribe to hundreds of RSS feeds and you know.

00:25:14 ◼   ► The problem...

00:25:15 ◼   ► It's all a matter of self-control.

00:25:18 ◼   ► When I open Safari, then I get distracted by my other tabs.

00:25:21 ◼   ► If I open my RSS client, then I get distracted by my other subscriptions.

00:25:25 ◼   ► Right.

00:25:26 ◼   ► So you want like a clean room environment kind of thing.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Yes.

00:25:31 ◼   ► And then you have that where like, look, here's where you're going to read the platformer,

00:25:36 ◼   ► aftermath, you know, all the other web...

00:25:39 ◼   ► Steven Totino's newsletter, like all the things you pay for.

00:25:44 ◼   ► This is the space where you read just those.

00:25:48 ◼   ► Have you considered an eating tablet?

00:25:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I see that now this is all...

00:25:54 ◼   ► This is catching on.

00:25:55 ◼   ► Right.

00:25:56 ◼   ► And I think I understand why.

00:25:58 ◼   ► And I think it's an appealing device for a lot of people.

00:26:01 ◼   ► But the thing is, I love my phone's display.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Like I get it.

00:26:06 ◼   ► I get why people are looking for a detox device from the phone.

00:26:12 ◼   ► I don't have the problem because I love my phone and I love the way that it looks with

00:26:16 ◼   ► colors.

00:26:17 ◼   ► You know, I understand why people prefer e-readers.

00:26:22 ◼   ► I just really like the screen on my phone and my iPad.

00:26:25 ◼   ► Like I would prefer...

00:26:28 ◼   ► And also like I don't want to pocket another thing.

00:26:31 ◼   ► I'm trying to get rid of things to put in my pocket, not to add an additional one.

00:26:36 ◼   ► Okay.

00:26:37 ◼   ► Well, let us know if you have suggestions.

00:26:39 ◼   ► Yeah, thank you.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I don't know if such a thing exists, but if it does, let us know.

00:26:47 ◼   ► We had a note from listener Apollo who wanted a check in on Federico's Nomad Horine leather

00:26:55 ◼   ► case.

00:26:56 ◼   ► So how's that going?

00:26:57 ◼   ► Yeah, it's going that I'm not using that anymore, but I'm using another Nomad product.

00:27:04 ◼   ► So I switched from the leather case to the SUTI foam back case at the beginning of the

00:27:11 ◼   ► year.

00:27:12 ◼   ► Now this is a relatively...

00:27:13 ◼   ► The what?

00:27:14 ◼   ► Sorry?

00:27:15 ◼   ► The what?

00:27:16 ◼   ► S-U-T-I.

00:27:17 ◼   ► SUTI is the name of the company.

00:27:19 ◼   ► Foam back is the name of the accessory.

00:27:22 ◼   ► I thought you were using the Nomad leather back case.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Give me a second.

00:27:27 ◼   ► Oh, sorry.

00:27:28 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:27:29 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

00:27:30 ◼   ► We've got to roll around.

00:27:31 ◼   ► This is a story, all right?

00:27:32 ◼   ► Okay.

00:27:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:34 ◼   ► I started using that at the beginning of the year.

00:27:35 ◼   ► I really liked the idea that was a silicone case.

00:27:37 ◼   ► Well, not a case.

00:27:38 ◼   ► There was a silicone back, like just the back cover made of pretty much the same material

00:27:45 ◼   ► as a regular silicone case, but just the back.

00:27:48 ◼   ► And I liked that so much.

00:27:50 ◼   ► I used it for a couple of months.

00:27:51 ◼   ► I put in a reservation for the Nomad back cover version.

00:27:57 ◼   ► It was not available at the time, and I got it about a month ago.

00:28:02 ◼   ► And I started using it since instead of the SUTI foam back.

00:28:06 ◼   ► Now I'm using the...

00:28:07 ◼   ► What's the official name of the Nomad back cover thing?

00:28:10 ◼   ► What are they calling it?

00:28:11 ◼   ► Magnetic leather back.

00:28:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:14 ◼   ► That's what I'm using now.

00:28:15 ◼   ► The Nomad magnetic leather back.

00:28:18 ◼   ► And I absolutely love it.

00:28:20 ◼   ► It gives me the texture that I like, and it frees the sides of the phone from being covered

00:28:28 ◼   ► by a case.

00:28:29 ◼   ► And yeah, I love this thing.

00:28:32 ◼   ► I love how it feels.

00:28:33 ◼   ► I love how it's aging, and I love that I can see my titanium edges of the phone.

00:28:40 ◼   ► I highly recommend it.

00:28:42 ◼   ► I tried one of these for a while, the magnetic leather back.

00:28:46 ◼   ► And I don't... so it's magnetic, but it also uses the little micro suction adhesive to

00:28:53 ◼   ► also kind of hold onto the phone.

00:28:56 ◼   ► And maybe it's because I'm an Apple Wallet user now, like the leather wallet thing on

00:29:01 ◼   ► the back of the phone.

00:29:03 ◼   ► But I had trouble with this staying on the phone.

00:29:05 ◼   ► Like the top part would want to come floppy after a while.

00:29:09 ◼   ► Really?

00:29:10 ◼   ► That's weird.

00:29:11 ◼   ► And so I stuck it in the drawer, unfortunately.

00:29:14 ◼   ► And returned to my beloved Peak Design everyday iPhone case with the mount thing on the back.

00:29:21 ◼   ► Me and Greg were talking about them at State of the Hardware because we were kind of commiserating

00:29:27 ◼   ► Peak's action button lifecycle.

00:29:30 ◼   ► Yes, I'm on the V2 now with the button.

00:29:34 ◼   ► It's going to happen again though, right?

00:29:36 ◼   ► With the capture button.

00:29:39 ◼   ► And potentially the... if they go capacitive buttons, then they got to deal with that too.

00:29:46 ◼   ► You would expect that they have learned a lesson now.

00:29:50 ◼   ► I mean, what's the lesson though?

00:29:53 ◼   ► Don't make a phone case until the phone's out.

00:29:56 ◼   ► That's the whole play though, right?

00:29:58 ◼   ► That's the problem.

00:29:59 ◼   ► Unless you got to eat a bunch of inventory like they did.

00:30:01 ◼   ► You know, I mean, I would love to know from them.

00:30:04 ◼   ► And also don't make cutouts for buttons instead of making actual buttons that, you know, this

00:30:09 ◼   ► case is they have buttons that press buttons.

00:30:12 ◼   ► Here's a question I have, because I don't know this.

00:30:14 ◼   ► I don't know if any of you know, I don't know if people know.

00:30:18 ◼   ► If the buttons are capacitive in that they do not move, can you make a button that presses

00:30:24 ◼   ► that button?

00:30:25 ◼   ► I'm sure there's some material.

00:30:27 ◼   ► I'm sure there's some material out there.

00:30:29 ◼   ► That's like conductive.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:32 ◼   ► It's like those meat sticks people were using to touch their phones.

00:30:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:37 ◼   ► I mean, we're sending people to the moon.

00:30:39 ◼   ► Well, pretty sure we can figure out hopefully soon again.

00:30:48 ◼   ► We used to send them.

00:30:50 ◼   ► I guess, I don't know.

00:30:51 ◼   ► We failed as a species because then we stopped sending them and we cannot make buttons that

00:30:56 ◼   ► press capacitive buttons, but we can make a browser with five E's in the name.

00:31:03 ◼   ► So sure.

00:31:04 ◼   ► Yeah, but it doesn't solve federal records problems.

00:31:08 ◼   ► It's true.

00:31:09 ◼   ► You know, can we really do this?

00:31:11 ◼   ► I don't know if we can do this.

00:31:12 ◼   ► Look, maybe we failed as a species is the realization this week on this show.

00:31:17 ◼   ► And the reason we know we failed is because Federico cannot find an app to look at six

00:31:22 ◼   ► websites.

00:31:23 ◼   ► Look, I just need to look at six or seven websites.

00:31:26 ◼   ► I'm not sure it's six or seven.

00:31:27 ◼   ► All right.

00:31:28 ◼   ► And I just need a simple app to look at them and everybody wants to give me features.

00:31:34 ◼   ► Everybody wants to give me features.

00:31:35 ◼   ► Look, I don't want features.

00:31:36 ◼   ► I just need to look at six or seven websites.

00:31:38 ◼   ► I've got a bunch of websites here I want to look at and what's the problem?

00:31:43 ◼   ► What if you got one iPad mini per website?

00:31:47 ◼   ► All these apps are like, hey, don't you want ad blockers?

00:31:49 ◼   ► Don't you want a key chain?

00:31:50 ◼   ► Hey, do you want pin tabs?

00:31:52 ◼   ► Do you want AI summaries?

00:31:53 ◼   ► I'm like, look, I just need to look at six or seven websites.

00:31:57 ◼   ► Six or seven tabs.

00:31:58 ◼   ► It's just six or seven.

00:32:00 ◼   ► I'm really, I'm kind of happy and at the same time sad that you detailed the websites.

00:32:07 ◼   ► Like I think if you would have just saying it's just six websites, I'd never say what

00:32:13 ◼   ► they are.

00:32:14 ◼   ► People would have assumptions, I think.

00:32:16 ◼   ► That's why I'm sad that he didn't say it, but also happy that he said it.

00:32:19 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:32:20 ◼   ► It's just like a...

00:32:21 ◼   ► I said three and it's basically all tech and gaming subscriptions.

00:32:27 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:32:28 ◼   ► And basically chorus FM.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Excellent website.

00:32:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:32 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:32:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:35 ◼   ► The human race, right?

00:32:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:38 ◼   ► So you were using the Nomad magnetic leatherback case.

00:32:45 ◼   ► Not case.

00:32:46 ◼   ► Not back, just the back.

00:32:48 ◼   ► Just the back.

00:32:51 ◼   ► I have broken free of the industrial case complex.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Wow.

00:32:55 ◼   ► Oh, you're free from big case?

00:32:56 ◼   ► He is.

00:32:57 ◼   ► I'm free from big case.

00:32:58 ◼   ► I'm free from big case.

00:32:59 ◼   ► How's your phone?

00:33:00 ◼   ► Absolutely fine.

00:33:01 ◼   ► Absolutely fine.

00:33:02 ◼   ► No problems here.

00:33:03 ◼   ► It's good.

00:33:04 ◼   ► I don't break phones like you do.

00:33:08 ◼   ► See, you're a part of big case and you break everything.

00:33:12 ◼   ► Oh, maybe.

00:33:13 ◼   ► I've broken free from big case.

00:33:15 ◼   ► The only thing I break is free from.

00:33:17 ◼   ► You know?

00:33:18 ◼   ► Wow.

00:33:19 ◼   ► What does that even mean?

00:33:22 ◼   ► You know what it means.

00:33:23 ◼   ► I don't.

00:33:24 ◼   ► Everybody gets it.

00:33:25 ◼   ► No, everyone knows.

00:33:27 ◼   ► I'm just breaking free from.

00:33:28 ◼   ► I ain't breaking phones.

00:33:30 ◼   ► You know?

00:33:31 ◼   ► Okay, Mike.

00:33:34 ◼   ► Beats is back.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Everybody's favorite Apple owned company other than FileMaker, obviously.

00:33:43 ◼   ► Obviously.

00:33:44 ◼   ► The Beats Pill, which is their standalone Bluetooth speaker is back.

00:33:49 ◼   ► It was taken off the market, I don't even remember, 2022, I think.

00:33:55 ◼   ► And it has shown up in a bunch of celebrity Instagram posts over the last few months.

00:34:00 ◼   ► And it is now out.

00:34:01 ◼   ► We have a couple links in the show notes, including to a hands-on from our buddy Chance

00:34:05 ◼   ► Miller over at 9to5Mac.

00:34:07 ◼   ► And it is very much like the old Beats, I think, in terms of shape and size.

00:34:13 ◼   ► But Apple says it's basically all new inside and out with better speakers.

00:34:20 ◼   ► It has better water resistance.

00:34:22 ◼   ► You can use it by the pool and it's going to be okay or maybe like on a shelf in the

00:34:27 ◼   ► shower and comes in a bunch of fun colors.

00:34:30 ◼   ► I really like the champagne gold, but the matte black and the red also look pretty nice.

00:34:36 ◼   ► But there are a couple things about this that are confusing to me.

00:34:41 ◼   ► And I think the big one is the lack of AirPlay.

00:34:46 ◼   ► Yeah, help me understand who would buy this product instead of literally any Sonos portable

00:34:54 ◼   ► speaker?

00:34:56 ◼   ► Because you're a fan of Beats as a brand?

00:35:00 ◼   ► Like just Bluetooth for an Apple owned company seems wild to me.

00:35:06 ◼   ► Well, I think what Steven said earlier about like, Beats obviously has a brand, right?

00:35:17 ◼   ► Which I think that they have gone back to their roots a little bit with the marketing

00:35:22 ◼   ► of this product in that it was being seen everywhere in the hands of musicians and athletes.

00:35:30 ◼   ► And I think that's the whole thing.

00:35:33 ◼   ► This is a pure like, you want to look like the influencer, right?

00:35:38 ◼   ► You want to be carrying the Beats Pill around while you're walking from thing to thing.

00:35:43 ◼   ► I think that's what this is.

00:35:46 ◼   ► Apparently it's good, but it is weird not to have AirPlay.

00:35:50 ◼   ► It's good that they have all the features that they have.

00:35:53 ◼   ► It being a Bluetooth speaker, fantastic, right?

00:35:56 ◼   ► I think it has USB-C, right?

00:36:01 ◼   ► Does it have line in or anything like that?

00:36:04 ◼   ► I don't think it has line in, but you can use a USB-C cable and get high fidelity audio

00:36:09 ◼   ► to it.

00:36:10 ◼   ► That's what I was thinking of.

00:36:12 ◼   ► So like it's an interesting product, but it is weird in that it has a bunch of Apple

00:36:19 ◼   ► focus features, but not AirPlay.

00:36:22 ◼   ► That is weird.

00:36:24 ◼   ► I think the biggest example of this weirdness is in the YouTube design video of it, which

00:36:31 ◼   ► is like an Apple video, but not.

00:36:34 ◼   ► There's a section in it touting the setup process and it says, if you use Apple or if

00:36:40 ◼   ► you use Android, they don't say the iPhone.

00:36:45 ◼   ► It's super weird.

00:36:46 ◼   ► It really jumped out at me as like, oh, they're talking to an audience that is much broader

00:36:51 ◼   ► than just people buying iPhones, right?

00:36:53 ◼   ► They're talking to the Beats audience.

00:36:54 ◼   ► Yeah, it's their own thing.

00:36:56 ◼   ► It's their own thing.

00:36:57 ◼   ► But it's weird to say Apple though.

00:37:00 ◼   ► I can't believe it made it out the door without them saying, you use Mac.

00:37:03 ◼   ► Do you guys use Apple?

00:37:05 ◼   ► You guys use Apple?

00:37:06 ◼   ► I use no, I don't use Apple.

00:37:08 ◼   ► I use Mac.

00:37:09 ◼   ► But what I have yet to see, and I think it's a travesty.

00:37:13 ◼   ► Where's the, where's the, where's the pill dude case?

00:37:17 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:37:19 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:37:20 ◼   ► Where is it?

00:37:21 ◼   ► They made an ad with, with them.

00:37:24 ◼   ► I don't know if you saw that.

00:37:25 ◼   ► They made like a little teaser ad and it's like three pill people talking to each other.

00:37:31 ◼   ► But I don't see the pill person case.

00:37:33 ◼   ► And I feel like at this point, what's the point, you know, why even bother?

00:37:37 ◼   ► Make one and sell it on Etsy.

00:37:39 ◼   ► I don't know how to do it, but I can, I can sure try.

00:37:44 ◼   ► But yeah, they, they made an ad two days ago called pill people are back and it's a new

00:37:49 ◼   ► version and it's actually pretty funny.

00:37:51 ◼   ► The ad is pretty funny.

00:37:53 ◼   ► And but I want to know where's the case.

00:37:55 ◼   ► Let me, let me buy the bill people case.

00:37:59 ◼   ► I do like that, that like you can tell the times have moved on because I, I'm pretty

00:38:05 ◼   ► sure that the case was called pill dude, but now it's pill people.

00:38:11 ◼   ► So good work beats, you know, moving with the times.

00:38:14 ◼   ► Don't gender my speaker.

00:38:16 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:38:17 ◼   ► You know what?

00:38:19 ◼   ► Yes.

00:38:20 ◼   ► Don't gender my speaker.

00:38:22 ◼   ► That's what I say.

00:38:23 ◼   ► You can't stop me saying that you can't, it's tattooed right on my arm.

00:38:28 ◼   ► The the, the other thing kind of interesting thing about this is that this product did

00:38:33 ◼   ► go away, right?

00:38:34 ◼   ► It was, it was gone in 2022 and now it's back and, and that they use the inner leaving time,

00:38:42 ◼   ► like the, the run-up to it of like an NBA player is like carrying it around because

00:38:47 ◼   ► it has a strap on it where you can like carry it.

00:38:50 ◼   ► Like the old, like the iPod touch had that for like one generation, remember that like

00:38:53 ◼   ► the lanyard or whatever.

00:38:56 ◼   ► And yeah, I mean, it got pulled from the market.

00:38:58 ◼   ► I think there were a bunch of recalls.

00:39:00 ◼   ► Is this the beat speaker that had all the recalls?

00:39:03 ◼   ► And I think you know more about beats than I do.

00:39:05 ◼   ► I think so.

00:39:06 ◼   ► I mean, I walk into a Best Buy every once in a while and it's like an assault of beats

00:39:10 ◼   ► products.

00:39:11 ◼   ► It's, it's wild, but, but they're back and it's not for everybody.

00:39:15 ◼   ► Clearly it'd be cool with airplay.

00:39:16 ◼   ► I don't know if that's a cost thing or, or what.

00:39:21 ◼   ► But I think that would make this more attractive to the Apple side of their customer base,

00:39:28 ◼   ► but I'm sure they've got the information.

00:39:31 ◼   ► Like if most of their users are interested in that or just going to use Bluetooth, then

00:39:36 ◼   ► you know, focus on that.

00:39:38 ◼   ► And if it gave them the budget to do the cool USB-C playback thing, then, Hey, that's, that's

00:39:43 ◼   ► good too.

00:39:45 ◼   ► So all right.

00:39:46 ◼   ► I have a question for you, right?

00:39:48 ◼   ► Cause you mentioned about like it would make it better.

00:39:52 ◼   ► Do you believe that the people they are marketing to, like the average consumer uses or knows

00:40:01 ◼   ► about airplay or that they want to connect to a Bluetooth speaker?

00:40:06 ◼   ► Yep.

00:40:07 ◼   ► They just say Bluetooth speaker.

00:40:10 ◼   ► So I think that while it is weird, I think if we're considering this product as a whole,

00:40:16 ◼   ► like in its marketing and its messaging and who it is for, Bluetooth is actually the best

00:40:22 ◼   ► thing for it rather than spending the effort and additional cost to put in the technology,

00:40:30 ◼   ► which I believe is wifi to have airplay.

00:40:33 ◼   ► So maybe they're just like, you know what?

00:40:35 ◼   ► Everyone just wants a Bluetooth speaker.

00:40:36 ◼   ► Let's just give them a Bluetooth speaker.

00:40:38 ◼   ► No, you're probably right.

00:40:41 ◼   ► Bluetooth.

00:40:42 ◼   ► What a weird word.

00:40:45 ◼   ► Bluetooth.

00:40:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:47 ◼   ► Bluetooth.

00:40:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:49 ◼   ► Bluetooth.

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00:42:15 ◼   ► I don't know how much we want to talk about this today, but I want to open the floor for

00:42:23 ◼   ► discussion if is desired, which is a little update with Apple and the European union.

00:42:32 ◼   ► So two big stories have occurred in the last four or five days.

00:42:38 ◼   ► First was Apple announcing that they're holding back Apple intelligence, iPhone mirroring

00:42:42 ◼   ► and share play screen sharing from the European union due to concerns about DMA interoperability

00:42:49 ◼   ► rules and their impact on security because of it.

00:42:53 ◼   ► And then also the European union has found Apple and announced that they have found Apple

00:42:58 ◼   ► in breach of the DMA because of anti-steering rules and have announced that they're investigating

00:43:04 ◼   ► the CTF.

00:43:06 ◼   ► Essentially to try and sum this up, which is very complicated to sum up, but I'll try.

00:43:10 ◼   ► The EU is unhappy with the ways in which Apple is limiting the ability for developers to

00:43:15 ◼   ► freely enable alternate payment methods and sideloading of apps.

00:43:23 ◼   ► And then also that developers can't get any of this unless they accept to the new business

00:43:29 ◼   ► terms, which they're also unhappy with because of the CTF.

00:43:34 ◼   ► So they have announced that they are in breach due to anti-steering and they are going to

00:43:39 ◼   ► launch a third investigation with I believe Spotify and music being the first one.

00:43:45 ◼   ► This is the second one.

00:43:47 ◼   ► And then the third one is the core technology fee as to whether that is something that should

00:43:53 ◼   ► be an ongoing thing.

00:43:55 ◼   ► In their press release, the European union is like, we accept that Apple can and should

00:44:01 ◼   ► get paid, but like not on an ongoing basis and also not for every possible purchase that

00:44:09 ◼   ► a developer can be made through an application.

00:44:12 ◼   ► So they're the two big areas I would like to open up the floor for discussion to you

00:44:18 ◼   ► to like, where are you feeling?

00:44:20 ◼   ► What are the vibes?

00:44:24 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I don't know what I think, honestly.

00:44:28 ◼   ► On the DMA, I feel like, I don't know.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Part of me feels like this whole thing is being mismanaged by Apple and I feel like

00:44:42 ◼   ► there's a part of Apple that thinks they know better than European regulators and this is

00:44:50 ◼   ► all unfair and they don't want to respect what is now a law.

00:44:54 ◼   ► And they just feel like they should do everything they possibly can to try and get away with

00:45:00 ◼   ► it with the bare minimum implementation of what the law is asking for.

00:45:06 ◼   ► And then there's also a part of me that feels like, you know, this is all new and you want

00:45:12 ◼   ► to give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:45:14 ◼   ► And they're just trying to understand as they go along, what will be okay and what won't

00:45:21 ◼   ► be okay.

00:45:23 ◼   ► So I'm very torn.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Like I don't know what to think, especially because I don't work at Apple.

00:45:26 ◼   ► And I just know that from the outside looking in, it's hard not to feel like the customers

00:45:32 ◼   ► are losing out, as always with these things.

00:45:36 ◼   ► You know, I see a lot of people, this is all very political as a topic, obviously.

00:45:45 ◼   ► It is actually politics.

00:45:46 ◼   ► It is actually politics and there's people saying, "Oh, those damn Europeans and their

00:45:52 ◼   ► silly stupid laws."

00:45:54 ◼   ► And then I see other people saying, "Well, Apple is evil and it's an evil company.

00:46:00 ◼   ► They fooled you into thinking they're a good company.

00:46:03 ◼   ► The EU must go after them and do everything they can to regulate them out of existence."

00:46:11 ◼   ► And I don't know, I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle.

00:46:14 ◼   ► I feel like there's parts of the DMA that, yeah, are confusing.

00:46:20 ◼   ► And companies need to navigate these waters now and understand what parts of the law actually

00:46:26 ◼   ► involve.

00:46:27 ◼   ► And a part of me also thinks, "Well, you know Apple though, and especially App Store management,

00:46:33 ◼   ► they absolutely hate the idea of sideloading and allowing customers to make purchases without

00:46:40 ◼   ► Apple getting a cut."

00:46:42 ◼   ► And so I just hope that as a customer, try and think about this from the perspective

00:46:48 ◼   ► of somebody who doesn't care about tech news, somebody who doesn't listen to podcasts, just

00:46:53 ◼   ► a regular iPhone person in the EU.

00:46:57 ◼   ► I think as a person, I would prefer if I could save a little money on my Spotify subscription.

00:47:03 ◼   ► I think I would like it if I could download all the emulators I wanted instead of being

00:47:08 ◼   ► okay for some emulators but not others.

00:47:12 ◼   ► And ultimately, I think you got to put people first.

00:47:17 ◼   ► And so that's sort of the perspective I'm trying to follow.

00:47:19 ◼   ► I like Apple.

00:47:20 ◼   ► I like the products they make.

00:47:21 ◼   ► I like the services they make.

00:47:24 ◼   ► I don't like some of their decisions, especially for the App Store.

00:47:28 ◼   ► And so that's what I think.

00:47:32 ◼   ► I don't want to take a particular extremist side because it's not what I feel.

00:47:42 ◼   ► And I also wanted to add for the features, for the Apple Intelligence features.

00:47:48 ◼   ► There's an Italian saying, it's an expression, I'm not sure if there's an English version

00:47:52 ◼   ► of it.

00:47:53 ◼   ► Basically, it says, "To think bad things is a sin, but every once in a while you're right"

00:48:03 ◼   ► would be a rough translation of it.

00:48:06 ◼   ► And so, yeah, I mean, maybe for real Apple is holding back Apple Intelligence because

00:48:12 ◼   ► they don't understand how it relates to the DMA.

00:48:16 ◼   ► But you know, you got to think that...

00:48:18 ◼   ► I believe it's both things.

00:48:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:20 ◼   ► Like I do.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Like I believe in regards to the way that the DMA speaks about interoperability, why

00:48:29 ◼   ► they have picked these specific features, right?

00:48:35 ◼   ► Because if interoperability is needed for them, this is either security risk or kind

00:48:43 ◼   ► of impossible to do with the way that Apple has architected the features and the way that

00:48:48 ◼   ► they want to do them, right?

00:48:50 ◼   ► I also, I feel like it's kind of funny that, so this iPhone mirroring feature, for example,

00:48:58 ◼   ► on my phone with the way that I've set up my phone, I am American enough to have access

00:49:07 ◼   ► to iPhone mirroring, but I'm not European enough to have access to alternative app stores

00:49:14 ◼   ► unless I switch accounts.

00:49:16 ◼   ► So I...

00:49:17 ◼   ► It sees you as American then, right?

00:49:20 ◼   ► Like your phone is being considered an American phone, right?

00:49:25 ◼   ► Well, but for some things, yeah, I guess.

00:49:32 ◼   ► And it goes to show that the theory that it's all mostly dictated by your app store account

00:49:39 ◼   ► seems to be the correct theory.

00:49:41 ◼   ► You know?

00:49:42 ◼   ► Like it seems to be on all the deciding factors that determine whether you are a European

00:49:48 ◼   ► or not a European, it seems that the app store account, more than the Apple ID or Apple account,

00:49:55 ◼   ► I should say, it seems that the app store account is the one with the most weight at

00:50:00 ◼   ► the moment.

00:50:01 ◼   ► Which I think there's a sense in that, right?

00:50:04 ◼   ► Because to have the account, you have to have a billing address and payment method in the

00:50:09 ◼   ► country.

00:50:10 ◼   ► And so it's like, it feels like the thing which is most going to be tied to where are

00:50:13 ◼   ► you now and like where are you basing your life now and also allowing to kind of ignore

00:50:20 ◼   ► a VPN if such a VPN was in place, right?

00:50:24 ◼   ► But like, I can imagine the scenario where these features, they don't know how to implement

00:50:31 ◼   ► them or they don't have the guidance from the European Commission yet or whatever, or

00:50:37 ◼   ► as I can imagine, the European Commission and Apple probably aren't on the best of terms.

00:50:42 ◼   ► So I don't imagine they're getting a lot of consultation or at least not everybody's not

00:50:47 ◼   ► coming to the consultation in the most helpful way on all sides would be my expectation of

00:50:52 ◼   ► what's happening here.

00:50:53 ◼   ► But also I can see the scenario where they may be happy that they get to hold Apple intelligence

00:50:59 ◼   ► back because it's most likely going to be the thing that makes European iPhone users

00:51:08 ◼   ► frustrated and that may get pushed back from the opposite side.

00:51:13 ◼   ► I wonder if they were also this cautious with the European Union and Apple intelligence

00:51:18 ◼   ► when they scraped websites.

00:51:20 ◼   ► I'm sure they were.

00:51:21 ◼   ► No, I don't think so.

00:51:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I think they did that without caution.

00:51:26 ◼   ► Yeah, as we've seen.

00:51:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Europe should make some AI lots as well.

00:51:35 ◼   ► I'm in agreement with you all.

00:51:37 ◼   ► I think a lot of people's knee jerk reaction to the Apple intelligence stuff not being

00:51:42 ◼   ► in the European Union was, oh, they're doing it despite the EU.

00:51:47 ◼   ► And if you just think about that for four seconds, you know, that's not a great take

00:51:52 ◼   ► because why is Apple going to punish its users from a feature like try to get them to?

00:51:58 ◼   ► Well, I mean, look at the App Store.

00:52:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:02 ◼   ► Well, no, let me finish.

00:52:03 ◼   ► You're feisty.

00:52:04 ◼   ► Let me finish.

00:52:05 ◼   ► I don't see it being a viable option for them to punish their users by not getting cool

00:52:11 ◼   ► new features.

00:52:12 ◼   ► So what they go to the representatives and say the DMA is bad.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Please walk it back because like you open your argument with, I think a lot of sort

00:52:22 ◼   ► of average people look at the DMA from a high level and say, yeah, looks like a lot of good

00:52:27 ◼   ► stuff in there that I agree with.

00:52:29 ◼   ► Like, yeah, why am I paying an extra 15 to 30 percent on stuff?

00:52:34 ◼   ► Because Apple wants their cut.

00:52:35 ◼   ► Why are there some things I can buy on my phone in an app but can't buy in a browser?

00:52:40 ◼   ► Why are there some sort of apps my Android friends can use but I can't use right?

00:52:43 ◼   ► DMA attempts to deal with all those things.

00:52:46 ◼   ► But I think looking at Apple's decision making and saying, oh, they're doing it to spite

00:52:50 ◼   ► the EU or despite their users.

00:52:53 ◼   ► I just don't think that holds water for very long.

00:52:56 ◼   ► If you actually consider what the ramifications of that would be.

00:53:00 ◼   ► Maybe it's not spiked, but let me put it this way.

00:53:03 ◼   ► Let's say that you live in an apartment complex and you have a bunch of neighbors and there's

00:53:07 ◼   ► that one particular neighbor that you really dislike.

00:53:12 ◼   ► And it just so happens that one day that neighbor asks you for something.

00:53:18 ◼   ► And maybe you try to be a good person and everything, but maybe part of you thinks,

00:53:22 ◼   ► you know, of all the people that are going to ask me a favor, am I really going to do

00:53:26 ◼   ► a favor to the person I dislike the most in here?

00:53:29 ◼   ► And so when it came to Apple intelligence, I mean, you've got to believe there were some

00:53:33 ◼   ► people who were like, you know, these folks, they've been causing us so much trouble this

00:53:38 ◼   ► past year.

00:53:39 ◼   ► Do we really feel like we need to rush Apple intelligence in there anyway?

00:53:44 ◼   ► And I mean, the argument that, you know, politically speaking, Apple, is it a company that, you

00:53:50 ◼   ► know, would be okay with just hurting their users in any way?

00:53:55 ◼   ► I mean, not in the physical sense, obviously, but like, isn't it?

00:54:00 ◼   ► Your phone shocks you in the EU.

00:54:02 ◼   ► What I mean is like, aren't you hurting your users financially every time you make them

00:54:09 ◼   ► pay more for a subscription that is available for less somewhere else?

00:54:13 ◼   ► Yeah, but things can be separate, right?

00:54:15 ◼   ► Like we don't have to tie those two points.

00:54:18 ◼   ► I'm just saying that institutionally speaking, because a company is made of people and the

00:54:22 ◼   ► same people make those decisions, they are capable of, you know, just a little hurt once

00:54:28 ◼   ► in a while.

00:54:29 ◼   ► Yeah, no, sure.

00:54:30 ◼   ► And clearly Apple's attitude through this has been pretty bad at times.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Like I'm not saying that.

00:54:37 ◼   ► The other thing that I sort of think about in this conversation as it, as like we just

00:54:41 ◼   ► do these cycles over and over is in build.

00:54:48 ◼   ► So let's take, for instance, the chat GPT handoff that Apple intelligence would do, right?

00:54:54 ◼   ► You get to a point, Siri can't do it.

00:54:56 ◼   ► It says, Hey, do you want to ask chat GPT like that?

00:54:58 ◼   ► Just that feature under and I'm not a lawyer.

00:55:00 ◼   ► I don't know if anybody knows that and not go to law school, but under the DMA, would

00:55:06 ◼   ► Apple be required to have more than one vendor for that where they would have to have also

00:55:13 ◼   ► Google Gemini or you know, whatever Amazon's rumored to do that that Vrumer broke today

00:55:18 ◼   ► that they're working on a chat bot?

00:55:19 ◼   ► Like are there things in the DMA that are preventing or preventing Apple or maybe not

00:55:27 ◼   ► completely like, right?

00:55:28 ◼   ► It can both can be true.

00:55:30 ◼   ► I don't think so.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Cause this isn't a, like an exclusive partnership of open AI.

00:55:34 ◼   ► Apple have been very clear that this is in practice.

00:55:39 ◼   ► In practice it is because they're the only partner that have signed and, and so maybe

00:55:44 ◼   ► that's a bad example.

00:55:45 ◼   ► Maybe take the, the image generation stuff that Apple's doing on their own.

00:55:50 ◼   ► Does the DMA say that, well, you have this feature, but you have to also open it up to

00:55:56 ◼   ► other things and maybe Apple's just being like, you can read it one of two ways.

00:56:01 ◼   ► I think you can read it.

00:56:02 ◼   ► Oh, Apple's not playing ball here because they're have hurt feelings over the DMA or

00:56:10 ◼   ► is Apple not doing it because the DMA makes it more complicated for them to build new

00:56:15 ◼   ► features.

00:56:16 ◼   ► Both can be true.

00:56:17 ◼   ► I don't know what the ratio is there, but what I'm trying to get to here is it's a multifaceted

00:56:24 ◼   ► situation and saying, just saying, Oh, Apple's butt hurt over the DMA or just saying the

00:56:31 ◼   ► DMA is bad for competition or just saying the DMA is good for competition.

00:56:35 ◼   ► Like where like any single statement I don't think works when applied to this stuff because

00:56:41 ◼   ► it is so complicated and not to defend it, but it is really new and Apple and the EU

00:56:50 ◼   ► clearly are still figuring out what does this document actually mean?

00:56:54 ◼   ► Right?

00:56:55 ◼   ► Like we're getting ready to go through that all again over the CTF stuff.

00:57:00 ◼   ► But yes, but I think that it is clear that they are not going about it in the simplest

00:57:10 ◼   ► of ways.

00:57:11 ◼   ► Like we have been talking about this the whole time, like their approach to the DMA, they

00:57:17 ◼   ► are doing literally everything they can to comply the littlest, right?

00:57:23 ◼   ► They are not entering into this with like earnestness or good faith.

00:57:33 ◼   ► And I understand why because they are a corporation, but I believe that that goes back to what

00:57:41 ◼   ► me and Federico saying of like, I think that the way that they are approaching the DMA

00:57:47 ◼   ► and their compliance to the DMA would make it incredibly plausible that they are using

00:57:54 ◼   ► the fact that the DMA makes it difficult for interoperability for these new features that

00:58:00 ◼   ► they have to be able to also undermine the DMA to users, right?

00:58:07 ◼   ► Like if you think the DMA is good, but now your iPhone will be held back, you may think

00:58:15 ◼   ► it is less good.

00:58:17 ◼   ► And like people talk about like, oh, the DMA was very popular in the European Parliament.

00:58:22 ◼   ► The European Parliament is like any legislative body in which it is made up by elected officials.

00:58:32 ◼   ► If these people believe that they're more likely to get voted in based upon changing

00:58:38 ◼   ► their opinion on something, they will do that, right?

00:58:41 ◼   ► Like if a European member of parliament believes that their constituents would like the DMA

00:58:48 ◼   ► to be repealed because they're not getting the features that they want on their devices,

00:58:53 ◼   ► the support will change for the DMA, right?

00:58:57 ◼   ► So like I do believe that they are looking at this and like this is complicated, but

00:59:03 ◼   ► I also believe that there is, that there are people inside of Apple who are looking at

00:59:09 ◼   ► this as an opportunity to change hearts and minds over what the DMA is doing.

00:59:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:16 ◼   ► And it's like Apple wants to change it, right?

00:59:20 ◼   ► The EU wants to change it as well, like in different directions.

00:59:23 ◼   ► And there's just going to be, I think it's just going to be a long time before we, that

00:59:29 ◼   ► stuff, that sort of all settles out.

00:59:32 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:59:34 ◼   ► Because the other thing that they've got to be, look, all of this, the department of justice

00:59:39 ◼   ► is saying some other stuff.

00:59:41 ◼   ► Like the department of justice is main cases around Apple's lock-in.

00:59:45 ◼   ► Yep.

00:59:47 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:59:49 ◼   ► It's definitely coming here too.

00:59:52 ◼   ► And so then what are they going to do?

00:59:53 ◼   ► Like, you know, Apple intelligence in the U S like it would just be the UK.

00:59:57 ◼   ► Like where, where is it going to be?

01:00:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:01 ◼   ► Land of the free home of the brave, the United Kingdom, you know, getting, getting all the

01:00:03 ◼   ► features.

01:00:04 ◼   ► My, like if we fast forwarded a year, like let's just say we played a game making predictions

01:00:12 ◼   ► about what the future could hold October, by the way, I double checked that today.

01:00:16 ◼   ► I was wondering, I was wondering what it was forward to October.

01:00:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:20 ◼   ► My suspicion is that some of these Apple intelligence features will indeed show up in the EU.

01:00:28 ◼   ► That Apple is either overreacting to the DMA or they're not showing those features because

01:00:33 ◼   ► they're sad and angry or something else.

01:00:37 ◼   ► I suspect some of that stuff will surface and in the EU, maybe not all of it, but I

01:00:43 ◼   ► can't, I just can't imagine a world where Apple will continue to introduce features.

01:00:50 ◼   ► I'm doing huge air quotes, knowing that they won't be allowed in parts of the world.

01:00:55 ◼   ► Like that just doesn't seem to make sense to me either.

01:00:57 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:00:58 ◼   ► It's all very confusing and hard and complicated.

01:01:00 ◼   ► I'm glad I'm not a lawyer working for Apple or the European Union because it seems like

01:01:05 ◼   ► this is a lawyer on podcasts.

01:01:07 ◼   ► We just play it on podcasts.

01:01:08 ◼   ► It does seem, I think wherever you stand on any of this, this huge spectrum of opinions

01:01:14 ◼   ► about the DMA, I think we can all agree that it is so complicated.

01:01:20 ◼   ► It has unintentional side effects, right?

01:01:24 ◼   ► The way that it is actually written and some of the things are explained in the DMA don't

01:01:29 ◼   ► actually make a lot of sense with the way the world actually works and are so open to

01:01:34 ◼   ► interpretation that you have things like this, like, okay, Apple's not like that.

01:01:41 ◼   ► Like, Oh no, for sure.

01:01:43 ◼   ► And if it's coming to the U S is going to be just as bad, you know, like maybe even

01:01:46 ◼   ► worse cause I don't think we have any elected officials that know anything about the internet,

01:01:52 ◼   ► but it is because it's fuzzy.

01:01:56 ◼   ► You end up in situations potentially like this good times though.

01:02:01 ◼   ► Right.

01:02:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:03 ◼   ► So Federico, do you think that you will get access to Apple intelligence features during

01:02:10 ◼   ► the beta period based upon the way that, uh, that you've got SharePlay and stuff?

01:02:17 ◼   ► Seems like it.

01:02:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:19 ◼   ► Cause I'm just wondering like for your review, like what do you, do you, have you thought

01:02:23 ◼   ► about like say that any of these features are going to be in iOS 18.0 but you didn't

01:02:31 ◼   ► have access to them?

01:02:33 ◼   ► Like if I don't have your approach at all, if I don't have access to them, I can not

01:02:38 ◼   ► review them.

01:02:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:40 ◼   ► Simple as that.

01:02:41 ◼   ► Um, I'm not traveling to the U S just to try those features.

01:02:47 ◼   ► You know, I want that though.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Like I just wonder like what is the level, you know,

01:02:52 ◼   ► I'm actually like, I'm actually still thinking about the very fact of like a review in Apple

01:02:57 ◼   ► intelligence to begin with.

01:03:00 ◼   ► And I think I will, if I have access to those features, I'm not sure whether I will do image

01:03:05 ◼   ► playgrounds.

01:03:06 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:03:07 ◼   ► Um, I'm sure the whole chapter will have a giant disclaimer before it, but yeah, I'm

01:03:13 ◼   ► leaning toward having the Apple intelligence chapter in my review, uh, provided that I

01:03:18 ◼   ► do have access to it.

01:03:20 ◼   ► And it seems like I should based on how things have been going so far with the way my iPhone

01:03:26 ◼   ► is a set up.

01:03:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:29 ◼   ► I guess people I'm sure are aware that none of this is in the betas yet.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Like we had beta two just a couple of days ago and these features aren't there.

01:03:36 ◼   ► Apple had said they're coming later this summer.

01:03:39 ◼   ► We don't know exactly what that means in terms of time or what features come in the beta

01:03:45 ◼   ► and what features maybe a year from now.

01:03:47 ◼   ► Like nobody knows.

01:03:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

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01:06:07 ◼   ► So there's a beta 2 of everything iOS 18, iPadOS, MacOS, Sequoia, which I heard the

01:06:16 ◼   ► show last week.

01:06:17 ◼   ► You guys still don't like the name, especially Mike.

01:06:19 ◼   ► I don't like it.

01:06:20 ◼   ► It's hard to spell.

01:06:22 ◼   ► Sequoia.

01:06:23 ◼   ► I don't like the way it feels coming out of my mouth.

01:06:27 ◼   ► It's fine.

01:06:29 ◼   ► WatchOS, which I also have on my Apple Watch Ultra, VisionOS, everything.

01:06:37 ◼   ► And I just wanted to pull out some of the highlights, things that have changed.

01:06:41 ◼   ► Starting with iPadOS, the alternative app stores in the EU, as well as the browser entitlement

01:06:48 ◼   ► for browser, the one I use, the Just-In-Time compiler, those are available in iPadOS 18

01:06:54 ◼   ► beta 2.

01:06:55 ◼   ► So, I'm sure at some point, the folks at AltStore will be making a native version of AltStore

01:07:02 ◼   ► on the iPad, and it'll work natively with an iPadOS UI in iPadOS 18.

01:07:09 ◼   ► So that-

01:07:10 ◼   ► I guess any of their apps need to get through notarization first.

01:07:13 ◼   ► Well-

01:07:14 ◼   ► They can do that, you know?

01:07:18 ◼   ► We don't need to get into that.

01:07:19 ◼   ► But yeah, that's-

01:07:20 ◼   ► The DMA, am I right?

01:07:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:22 ◼   ► It's going so well.

01:07:26 ◼   ► We just moved on from that topic.

01:07:29 ◼   ► Let's keep it in the past.

01:07:32 ◼   ► The other feature that has been enabled, I have not been able to use this one because

01:07:36 ◼   ► I have not installed Sequoia on my half of the MacBook Air.

01:07:43 ◼   ► iPhone mirroring is now available.

01:07:46 ◼   ► And I have seen, obviously this is not in the EU, as we have discussed in the previous

01:07:51 ◼   ► segment, but I have seen that iPhone mirroring works even if you are mirroring your Mac to

01:08:00 ◼   ► the Vision Pro.

01:08:01 ◼   ► So you can do a double mirror.

01:08:03 ◼   ► You can mirror your phone to the Mac and then mirror the Mac to the Vision Pro.

01:08:07 ◼   ► What is the next step?

01:08:09 ◼   ► Mirror a Vision Pro to an iPad?

01:08:11 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure I saw somebody mirroring their Apple Watch to their iPhone and then their

01:08:18 ◼   ► iPhone to their Mac.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Incredible.

01:08:20 ◼   ► I heard you like mirrors.

01:08:23 ◼   ► So there is one more step, right?

01:08:25 ◼   ► You can go watch to phone to phone to Mac to Mac to Vision Pro, and then you could call

01:08:30 ◼   ► someone and share the screen with them.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Why not?

01:08:35 ◼   ► Why not?

01:08:36 ◼   ► Do it all the way.

01:08:37 ◼   ► But yeah, I'm very excited to try the iPhone mirroring.

01:08:42 ◼   ► It seems like it's a very cool idea.

01:08:44 ◼   ► I mean, we have talked about it, the way that it works when the phone is locked and everything.

01:08:48 ◼   ► So yeah, even better that it works while wearing the Vision Pro, mirror to the Mac, and then

01:08:54 ◼   ► mirror the Mac to the Vision Pro.

01:08:55 ◼   ► Very nice.

01:08:57 ◼   ► Some shortcuts actions I want to mention, because shortcuts may not be changing much,

01:09:02 ◼   ► but it seems like Apple is adding new actions to shortcuts this year, and actually actions

01:09:07 ◼   ► that I like as opposed to last year.

01:09:11 ◼   ► So there's a couple of new shortcuts, like meta actions, like shortcuts actions about shortcuts.

01:09:19 ◼   ► One of them is add to home screen.

01:09:21 ◼   ► So this is an action that you can drop in other shortcuts to add one of your shortcuts

01:09:29 ◼   ► to the home screen.

01:09:30 ◼   ► So imagine, for example, you're Matthew Cassinelli and you want to add, I don't know, 200 shortcuts

01:09:35 ◼   ► to your home screen.

01:09:37 ◼   ► Now you can create a shortcut that cycles through your shortcuts library and adds an

01:09:43 ◼   ► icon for each of those shortcuts to your home screen.

01:09:47 ◼   ► That's something you can do if you're Matthew or also if you're somebody else.

01:09:51 ◼   ► Allow me for a moment to just ask the simple question.

01:09:55 ◼   ► Yes.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Why?

01:09:57 ◼   ► Like there are so many things that could be in shortcuts that could be added to shortcuts.

01:10:02 ◼   ► Why is this the thing?

01:10:03 ◼   ► Look, I agree with you.

01:10:04 ◼   ► Like stability.

01:10:05 ◼   ► Could they add that?

01:10:06 ◼   ► Like the DMA disallow stability in shortcuts.

01:10:10 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

01:10:11 ◼   ► Oh, God.

01:10:12 ◼   ► Oh, God.

01:10:13 ◼   ► Look, I agree.

01:10:17 ◼   ► I'm just saying that somebody at the shortcuts team must have had the idea of like, hey,

01:10:23 ◼   ► wouldn't it be nice if instead of adding 20 shortcuts from a folder manually one by one

01:10:28 ◼   ► to your home screen, you could automate the process.

01:10:32 ◼   ► Now that can be automated.

01:10:34 ◼   ► Sure.

01:10:35 ◼   ► Same with creating an iCloud link.

01:10:38 ◼   ► Now you can also automate the process of creating an iCloud link for shortcuts.

01:10:43 ◼   ► And you know, you want to share 20 shortcuts at once?

01:10:47 ◼   ► Be my guest.

01:10:48 ◼   ► With this action now you can.

01:10:51 ◼   ► There are some new actions for the journal app.

01:10:54 ◼   ► These are actually nice.

01:10:55 ◼   ► You can search your journal entries.

01:10:57 ◼   ► You can create a new journal entry from shortcuts.

01:11:00 ◼   ► But the one I'm most excited about is the changes to reminders, which we'll get to in

01:11:08 ◼   ► a minute.

01:11:09 ◼   ► Also because Steven has thoughts about reminders.

01:11:12 ◼   ► Apple, it seems to be that they are replacing the add new reminder action with a different

01:11:20 ◼   ► action called create reminder.

01:11:23 ◼   ► Now at the moment there's both of them in the shortcuts beta.

01:11:27 ◼   ► I'm pretty convinced that one of them will go away or will become like deprecated with

01:11:32 ◼   ► iOS 18.

01:11:34 ◼   ► The new one called create reminder has more options than the old one.

01:11:39 ◼   ► Specifically, finally, you can basically set almost every single property of a shortcut

01:11:47 ◼   ► with a reminder with this action.

01:11:50 ◼   ► The one that was most intriguing to me, finally, you can create a reminder from shortcuts and

01:11:58 ◼   ► you can define which section of a reminders list it should go into.

01:12:07 ◼   ► Remember they rolled out sections like columns last year in reminders?

01:12:14 ◼   ► Now you can say when I create this reminder, not only should it go into my relay FM list,

01:12:22 ◼   ► but it should also go under the upgrade section of that list.

01:12:26 ◼   ► I wanted this so bad last year, but then I ended up just moving to things instead for

01:12:30 ◼   ► the things that I needed.

01:12:32 ◼   ► Yeah, and what's great is that because of the issues with the things actions that I

01:12:37 ◼   ► was having with the beta, I was able to basically translate all of my things, automations and

01:12:44 ◼   ► shortcuts to reminders, automations and shortcuts.

01:12:48 ◼   ► And they basically now perform exactly the same functionality by just swapping the things

01:12:53 ◼   ► actions with the reminders ones.

01:12:56 ◼   ► And this was the final thing that I was missing.

01:12:58 ◼   ► Like let me say which section it should go into.

01:13:02 ◼   ► And now this is possible.

01:13:04 ◼   ► So that's cool.

01:13:05 ◼   ► Steven.

01:13:06 ◼   ► It's me.

01:13:07 ◼   ► You also have reminders.

01:13:09 ◼   ► I do.

01:13:10 ◼   ► I do.

01:13:11 ◼   ► Before we get to that, I do just want to say like one thing that I just thought of when

01:13:15 ◼   ► you were talking about that new shortcut.

01:13:17 ◼   ► And we've talked about this before on the show, but I think it's probably in the last

01:13:21 ◼   ► beta cycle.

01:13:22 ◼   ► So I want to highlight it again.

01:13:24 ◼   ► I really find it confounding that Apple will release some piece of software that like isn't

01:13:33 ◼   ► integrated with the rest of their pieces of software.

01:13:35 ◼   ► Like, okay, you added this feature in reminders, but your shortcut support for it didn't come

01:13:41 ◼   ► until a year later.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Like yeah.

01:13:44 ◼   ► Are we stretched so thin internally that that's not possible?

01:13:47 ◼   ► It's like there's no one.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Like there should be a master list somewhere.

01:13:51 ◼   ► Like if you release code at Apple, you know, in these sorts of categories, it should also

01:13:56 ◼   ► support these types of things.

01:13:57 ◼   ► And it really blows my mind.

01:13:59 ◼   ► It feels so half done sometimes of like, oh, hey, we have this great feature, but we left

01:14:05 ◼   ► out the one thing and maybe you'll get it next year.

01:14:09 ◼   ► Based on their guidance from WWDC sessions, it seems like the one thing that will finally

01:14:14 ◼   ► change this trend is Apple intelligence.

01:14:18 ◼   ► Because they basically said they had a session in which they said, we're changing our guidance

01:14:24 ◼   ► from what it used to be, which was some of your app actions should also be shortcuts

01:14:32 ◼   ► actions.

01:14:33 ◼   ► So changing it to all of your app actions should also be available in shortcuts because

01:14:39 ◼   ► that's what they want to do, right?

01:14:41 ◼   ► With Apple intelligence and the semantic index and all the things that they will roll out

01:14:45 ◼   ► in 2025.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Like you should be able to just say what you want to do and that request should be completed.

01:14:52 ◼   ► So I would be shocked if what you just mentioned doesn't change because of Apple intelligence.

01:14:58 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

01:15:00 ◼   ► Definitely hopeful for that.

01:15:02 ◼   ► So yeah, so every year I pick something and reminders to ask for.

01:15:06 ◼   ► It's kind of a bit of a tradition and this year I'm returning to one that has not been

01:15:12 ◼   ► changed.

01:15:14 ◼   ► But before I talk about what that is, I, you know, in 2022 I asked for a badge to reflect

01:15:24 ◼   ► the today count and we were able to get that in Iowa 16.

01:15:29 ◼   ► And then last year I asked for better options in organizing the today view and that is in

01:15:33 ◼   ► the beta of iOS 18.

01:15:35 ◼   ► So I feel pretty good about my track record the last couple of years.

01:15:39 ◼   ► You are like a reverse project manager.

01:15:43 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:44 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:45 ◼   ► You're like a king of feedback.

01:15:49 ◼   ► Well like they released the software and then Steven's like, what about this though?

01:15:53 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

01:15:54 ◼   ► It goes backwards.

01:15:55 ◼   ► I think some people who work with me in real life think that I do that anyways.

01:15:59 ◼   ► Like, oh, we just pushed this thing to our CMS at work.

01:16:01 ◼   ► Oh, can we do this thing instead?

01:16:03 ◼   ► You know, sometimes it happens in reverse.

01:16:05 ◼   ► I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:16:07 ◼   ► I know, but because you weren't on a conference call with a developer at 8 p.m. last night.

01:16:12 ◼   ► It's fine.

01:16:13 ◼   ► Fine.

01:16:14 ◼   ► Nothing you didn't know about right now.

01:16:16 ◼   ► This year I could feel your blood pressure from here.

01:16:19 ◼   ► It's awesome.

01:16:20 ◼   ► Well, because usually it means that something's going to break, you know, that's where it

01:16:24 ◼   ► ends up going.

01:16:25 ◼   ► But it's time to do some things.

01:16:29 ◼   ► So this year I'm returning to a well that I've asked for not on the blog, but in two

01:16:35 ◼   ► previous feedbacks.

01:16:36 ◼   ► All those numbers in the bottom of the blog post.

01:16:41 ◼   ► But this year I ran to the press and I'm asking for the task inspector on the Mac to have

01:16:47 ◼   ► the same functionality as the task inspector has on iOS and iPadOS.

01:16:54 ◼   ► I understand why they're different.

01:16:56 ◼   ► The reminders Mac app, as far as I know, is still the old app kit app.

01:17:01 ◼   ► It has not been converted to like Mac catalyst, like messages and maps and some others.

01:17:08 ◼   ► I think honestly reminders is a really good candidate for Mac catalyzation.

01:17:14 ◼   ► But you know, there's also the question of like, how far into the future is Mac catalyst

01:17:17 ◼   ► going to last?

01:17:18 ◼   ► Lots of things there.

01:17:19 ◼   ► So I understand why it's different.

01:17:21 ◼   ► But the example that I highlight, because it's the one that bothers me the most is that

01:17:25 ◼   ► in the reminders app on iOS and iPadOS, there's a drop down to change what list a task is on.

01:17:33 ◼   ► And on the Mac, the only way to do that is drag and drop a task from one list to another.

01:17:41 ◼   ► And like, it's fine, you can totally change where a task is based on that.

01:17:46 ◼   ► But it's slower, because it's not in the inspector, I'm already you know, fiddling with due dates

01:17:50 ◼   ► and stuff.

01:17:51 ◼   ► It's error prone, especially if you have a long list of lists, right, you can drop it

01:17:58 ◼   ► on the wrong one easily, and then you don't know where it went.

01:18:01 ◼   ► But lastly, and probably most importantly, I don't think most like normal kind of users

01:18:07 ◼   ► are that familiar or maybe even comfortable with drag and drop to begin with.

01:18:13 ◼   ► And so I would love for in lieu of give me the entire inspector from the iPhone on the

01:18:18 ◼   ► Mac, I think that that's the ideal.

01:18:21 ◼   ► Having the ability to change what list a task is in from the inspector really feels like

01:18:26 ◼   ► something that should be there.

01:18:27 ◼   ► And so that is my quest this year.

01:18:31 ◼   ► So Steven, given your pedigree as someone who can work these reminders miracles, will you

01:18:39 ◼   ► be my my priest in this case, and you know, put in a good word for a request that I have,

01:18:46 ◼   ► with the reminders gods, if you will.

01:18:49 ◼   ► So it's look, it's a very simple thing.

01:18:51 ◼   ► All right.

01:18:52 ◼   ► So you know how you can create smart lists in reminders, right?

01:18:57 ◼   ► You can like make a custom list with a bunch of rules.

01:19:01 ◼   ► And I just want to make a smart list that shows me reminders from two lists at once.

01:19:07 ◼   ► Like I have a Mac stories list and a club Mac stories list.

01:19:11 ◼   ► And I just want to say make a smart view, you know, that shows me reminders from both,

01:19:17 ◼   ► you know, so like I can make one that says, here's your Mac stories and your club Mac

01:19:22 ◼   ► stories tasks for today.

01:19:25 ◼   ► Unfortunately when you pick the list filter, you can say include a list, but it only lets

01:19:32 ◼   ► you include one list at a time.

01:19:35 ◼   ► Like just let me include two lists at the same time.

01:19:39 ◼   ► You know, let me pick one or multiple ones.

01:19:42 ◼   ► And it's been this way for like three years.

01:19:45 ◼   ► And every year I keep mentioning it and it never works.

01:19:48 ◼   ► So maybe if you will be, you know, my, my, you know, my middleman in this case, you know,

01:19:55 ◼   ► given your, given your powers, maybe it'll work.

01:19:58 ◼   ► I'm happy to, I'm happy to be your representative on this.

01:20:03 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:20:04 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:20:05 ◼   ► I vote, I give you my vote.

01:20:06 ◼   ► Thank you. For whatever you're applying for, you have my vote.

01:20:10 ◼   ► That's good.

01:20:11 ◼   ► You know, we're going to wedge the DMA straight into reminders.

01:20:14 ◼   ► It's going to be sick.

01:20:16 ◼   ► Cool.

01:20:17 ◼   ► I did.

01:20:18 ◼   ► I did.

01:20:19 ◼   ► Maybe not for today, but like, I feel like there is a conversation to be had about the

01:20:21 ◼   ► value of the feedback system and anytime you write something about this.

01:20:25 ◼   ► Can you invite Casey when you want to do it?

01:20:36 ◼   ► When there is an episode where both me and Federico aren't here, then like go crazy.

01:20:41 ◼   ► My favorite thing in this blog post that Steven wrote was at the end, he said, this was filed

01:20:46 ◼   ► as feedback, blah, blah, blah.

01:20:47 ◼   ► The day this blog post was published.

01:20:49 ◼   ► It can also be found as blah, blah, blah from 2022 and blah, blah, blah from 2023.

01:20:53 ◼   ► I enjoyed the pettiness.

01:20:55 ◼   ► I love it.

01:20:56 ◼   ► I don't, I didn't mean for that to be petty.

01:20:58 ◼   ► I meant for that to be like, I I've been asking for this repeatedly.

01:21:02 ◼   ► Here's like, here are the receipts.

01:21:04 ◼   ► But do you need to refile it though?

01:21:07 ◼   ► Well, so that, that is like a question, right?

01:21:10 ◼   ► I don't know because my feedback for the other things that have been fixed are still open.

01:21:15 ◼   ► So like I closed them because they've been addressed.

01:21:18 ◼   ► I don't know the hygiene of the feedback system once it's internal.

01:21:22 ◼   ► You want to get back on the top of the pile.

01:21:24 ◼   ► I want to get back on top of the pile.

01:21:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:26 ◼   ► And, and obviously now in the summer is a good time to, to do that sort of thing.

01:21:32 ◼   ► Well, maybe my, my reading of this as petty tells you why I'm maybe not the best person

01:21:37 ◼   ► to talk.

01:21:38 ◼   ► Well, that's always the, there's always people who feel like the feedback system is like,

01:21:44 ◼   ► you're doing, no, we're talking about it.

01:21:45 ◼   ► We're talking about it now.

01:21:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:48 ◼   ► No, no.

01:21:49 ◼   ► We actually did decide we weren't doing this.

01:21:52 ◼   ► No.

01:21:53 ◼   ► There's a feed, their feedback numbers in the blog post.

01:21:55 ◼   ► The blog post is referenced in the feedback.

01:21:58 ◼   ► Please please remind us team, please.

01:22:01 ◼   ► In other news, RCS has appeared and is enabled in the U S for beta users on AT&T Verizon mobile,

01:22:11 ◼   ► which is really cool.

01:22:12 ◼   ► The Royal crown system.

01:22:15 ◼   ► Yep.

01:22:16 ◼   ► That is what it stands for.

01:22:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:21 ◼   ► Cause it's the King over SMS.

01:22:22 ◼   ► Go UK.

01:22:23 ◼   ► Go UK once again.

01:22:24 ◼   ► It's the only way you can get to see the crown jewels.

01:22:26 ◼   ► You need to receive an RCS.

01:22:28 ◼   ► You know, I think I'm actually becoming a fan of the UK.

01:22:31 ◼   ► Like you should realize this is something I've realized over the past few months.

01:22:36 ◼   ► We'll all be there together in like three weeks.

01:22:38 ◼   ► Tell me, yeah.

01:22:39 ◼   ► Tell me why Federico I'm intrigued.

01:22:41 ◼   ► Cause you can come, you're coming back and you'll be able to also like, you know, soak

01:22:46 ◼   ► in more of the UK with people from the UK.

01:22:49 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:22:50 ◼   ► First of all, first of all, of all the countries that have that like begin with the U it seems

01:22:55 ◼   ► to be like the most reasonable one.

01:22:57 ◼   ► Hey.

01:22:58 ◼   ► Okay.

01:22:59 ◼   ► Don't talk about your way that way.

01:23:02 ◼   ► I don't, I don't know anything about what's going on there.

01:23:05 ◼   ► Well, I was not, I was not referring to Uruguay.

01:23:10 ◼   ► This song's about me.

01:23:12 ◼   ► They usually become, they usually start with United in the, yeah.

01:23:17 ◼   ► Anyway, so obviously jokes aside, I don't know.

01:23:19 ◼   ► It feels obviously like, so they speak English, but it's like people don't go around, you

01:23:25 ◼   ► know, with guns, for example.

01:23:28 ◼   ► They have the Royal family, which is pretty cool.

01:23:30 ◼   ► And like you're going to go see the Royal Palance palace and there's the guards with

01:23:34 ◼   ► the funny hats.

01:23:35 ◼   ► You know, the South bank really surprised me in London.

01:23:40 ◼   ► Really nice place.

01:23:41 ◼   ► My favorite place.

01:23:42 ◼   ► Federica's favorite place.

01:23:43 ◼   ► One of my, one of my new favorite places.

01:23:48 ◼   ► The company that we're going to talk about this next week that provided the lenses for

01:23:53 ◼   ► my meta Ray bands is located in the UK.

01:23:56 ◼   ► Mike lives in the UK.

01:23:59 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:24:00 ◼   ► It's just a bunch of factors contributing to my feelings toward the UK shifting.

01:24:05 ◼   ► You know, as of late, you're welcome anytime.

01:24:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:10 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:24:11 ◼   ► See, it's also what you need is your RCS message.

01:24:14 ◼   ► It's trying to get in.

01:24:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:16 ◼   ► You can go ahead.

01:24:17 ◼   ► So yes.

01:24:18 ◼   ► So you're getting, you know, the larger media files, rich messages with audio, read receipts

01:24:25 ◼   ► and in the messages app, it has a little indication of whether it's SMS or RCS because the bubbles

01:24:32 ◼   ► are still green.

01:24:33 ◼   ► They didn't introduce a third color, still green, but you do get a little bit of an affordance.

01:24:40 ◼   ► So you know, like, Oh, I'm going to drop this giant PDF in here.

01:24:43 ◼   ► It'll go through.

01:24:44 ◼   ► Whereas an SMS, it wouldn't in the past.

01:24:47 ◼   ► So so yeah, super exciting.

01:24:49 ◼   ► I am glad that the carriers are already on board with this, at least the big three.

01:24:54 ◼   ► And I'm sure others will follow because there's also like a carrier thing that has to change.

01:24:58 ◼   ► But very clearly, this is now on its way.

01:25:01 ◼   ► And it's, I think it's good.

01:25:04 ◼   ► Cool.

01:25:05 ◼   ► Is that it?

01:25:07 ◼   ► I think so.

01:25:09 ◼   ► Okay.

01:25:10 ◼   ► Well, if you want to find more of us on the internet, if you want to be one of Federico's

01:25:17 ◼   ► seven secret websites, you can if you want to make Federico one of your favorite seven

01:25:25 ◼   ► secret websites, I said six or seven, six or seven.

01:25:29 ◼   ► Like how that's the secret is like one number.

01:25:31 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:25:32 ◼   ► You can be in the seventh, you can be the seventh or take we are taking auditions for

01:25:37 ◼   ► the seventh secret website.

01:25:41 ◼   ► You can submit those to Federico on Mastodon of Viteeche at max stories.net or on threads

01:25:46 ◼   ► as Viteeche.

01:25:47 ◼   ► And of course, he's the editor in chief of max stories.net.

01:25:50 ◼   ► Lots of super exciting stuff going on over there.

01:25:53 ◼   ► I know y'all are all gearing up for review season.

01:25:57 ◼   ► You know, sometimes John just appears in our group thread is like, I'm rebuilding my Mac

01:26:00 ◼   ► for the fifth time this week.

01:26:01 ◼   ► And then it disappears again.

01:26:02 ◼   ► Yeah, he does that.

01:26:03 ◼   ► That's that's so happy.

01:26:04 ◼   ► I retired from reviews, you know?

01:26:08 ◼   ► Well, you're fired more than retired.

01:26:11 ◼   ► I was forced out actually.

01:26:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:13 ◼   ► Unless I'm happy that I was forced out and then I retired.

01:26:18 ◼   ► Maybe you could review a retired platform, but it's like the same review every year because

01:26:22 ◼   ► it's been retired, you know?

01:26:25 ◼   ► That feels like something you would do.

01:26:27 ◼   ► It does seem like something I would do.

01:26:30 ◼   ► If you want to see me do that.

01:26:31 ◼   ► Steven just opened the reminders list and added that to it.

01:26:34 ◼   ► Oh, it's on the wrong list.

01:26:36 ◼   ► I can't change it easily.

01:26:37 ◼   ► Come on.

01:26:38 ◼   ► You can't do anything about it.

01:26:41 ◼   ► If you want to maybe see what that could look like, you can find my writing at 512 pixels.net

01:26:46 ◼   ► and I am ismh86 on Mastodon and threads.

01:26:51 ◼   ► You can find Mike's work all across the relay FM podcast empire.

01:26:56 ◼   ► You can also find it at Cortex brand and he is on Mastodon and threads as I Mike I M Y

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