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512: The Simple Solution to Traffic

 

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00:00:07   Hello and welcome to Connected episode 512.

00:00:12   It's made possible this week by our sponsors, ZocDoc, Vitaly,

00:00:16   and 1Password Extended Access Management.

00:00:19   I am St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner,

00:00:22   Steven Hackett, and I'm joined by St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, Mike Hurley.

00:00:27   Hello, I am St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, Mike Hurley,

00:00:32   and I would like to introduce the one true John, John Voorhees, who's back again.

00:00:37   I'm just John. I mean, I don't have a title like that.

00:00:41   One true? One true is the title.

00:00:44   It's not quite the mouthful that you guys have, but hey, all right.

00:00:47   No. Federica's still not dead.

00:00:51   I think it's important to reference that as is referenced.

00:00:56   This is not an act of succession.

00:00:58   This is an act of vacation because it's the summer.

00:01:02   And look, if you've been listening to this show for long enough,

00:01:05   you know Federico in the summer.

00:01:07   He's here, he's back, he's here, he's back.

00:01:08   He's told us he'll be back and he's back for good, I think was the wording that he used.

00:01:13   So next week, so we can all look forward to that.

00:01:15   He told me that too.

00:01:16   There's a rhythm to summer with Federico.

00:01:18   There's definitely a rhythm.

00:01:20   And look, I support a man's desire for vacation.

00:01:24   I do too.

00:01:25   I support that.

00:01:27   I just came back from one myself, you know.

00:01:28   I really wish that I was on vacation this week.

00:01:31   This was a thought that I realized a couple of days ago where I thought,

00:01:35   oh, I should have booked a vacation for this week, but I didn't.

00:01:38   You should have.

00:01:39   And so here I am.

00:01:39   All your friends were on vacation last week and you guys were working.

00:01:43   Yeah.

00:01:44   Yeah, yeah.

00:01:45   But I'm taking a long weekend this weekend.

00:01:47   That's what we're going to do instead, just like a London staycation.

00:01:51   But really, I should have had a vacation booked, but I didn't.

00:01:55   But I'll figure that out later.

00:01:56   Stephen, what is the St. Jude Create Your Achievement Award?

00:01:59   Well, that's something that you and I were given last weekend at the Relay 10 event,

00:02:04   which I'm sure we're going to talk about in a second.

00:02:06   But during that event, we announced our sixth annual St. Jude campaign.

00:02:12   Our fundraiser we're going to do for them is going to start August 28th, so just four weeks away.

00:02:16   But in announcing that, you and I were surprised.

00:02:20   And it was like genuine surprise.

00:02:21   In fact, one of the photos that somebody submitted at relay.fm/photos,

00:02:25   I have this look on my face like a kid getting a Christmas present.

00:02:28   It's like I didn't know it was coming.

00:02:31   Yes, you and I were awarded this for our work raising money and awareness for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:02:39   And it's this very lovely, very heavy glass piece.

00:02:43   And now it's in my office.

00:02:44   It's a very, very legit thing.

00:02:46   Yeah.

00:02:46   It feels significant.

00:02:48   It's more than a paperweight.

00:02:49   Yes, it was very big.

00:02:52   It could be used to weigh down a lot of paper.

00:02:54   Yeah.

00:02:55   Or someone's life.

00:02:57   Yeah, you could really commit a crime with it.

00:02:59   We could.

00:03:00   We won't.

00:03:00   Maybe that's why Federico's not here.

00:03:02   We dropped the Creator Award on him and that was the end.

00:03:07   Poor Federico.

00:03:08   Yeah, so we just had our 10th anniversary show.

00:03:12   Thank you so much to everybody that was there.

00:03:14   The audio of this event is available now in the Departures feed, which is where we put live shows.

00:03:21   Steven, I've already on a couple of shows this week spoken about Relay 10.

00:03:26   And I thought I would want to ask you what Relay 10 meant to you a little bit if you wanted to share with a connected audience.

00:03:32   Oh man, it was incredible.

00:03:34   I mean, the company turning 10 is this amazing thing on its own.

00:03:38   I'm sure we'll talk more about it because the actual anniversary is a couple weeks from now.

00:03:41   But being in this like sold out theater with 11 or 1200 people was awesome.

00:03:49   And we haven't done one of these since 2019.

00:03:51   And it meant seeing a lot of people we work with for the first time in a long time.

00:03:56   It was just it was so good and so much fun.

00:03:59   And I had a blast.

00:04:01   And thank you for planning it all.

00:04:02   Like I'm sure people who listen to backstage and our other membership stuff know you planned all this.

00:04:08   And you and Adina did all the legwork and made it all happen.

00:04:12   And it was it was incredible to be able to like walk in and be like, this thing is ready to go.

00:04:18   I have not had that experience before during our live event.

00:04:22   So thank you for making it special for everybody else.

00:04:25   It was a pleasure.

00:04:26   Yeah, it was it was the best night of my professional career.

00:04:31   Like it was extra special to me, right?

00:04:34   Being in London, like it made it like it took it like a level further for me.

00:04:40   And it was just like that St. Jude award is like the cherry on the top.

00:04:45   Like it was already incredible.

00:04:47   And then to be given that too, it's just like, like, just absolutely wild.

00:04:52   Like this was yeah, it was absolutely fantastic.

00:04:55   I don't think it could have gone any better.

00:04:57   And I'm gonna I will apologize now for the fact that I will be posting photos from this event for like the next six months on Instagram.

00:05:07   Because there's so many great photos that people are sending in.

00:05:09   And so yeah, I'm just gonna be just posting so many of these.

00:05:13   It was just man, what a time.

00:05:15   What a time.

00:05:16   Yeah, it was really cool.

00:05:17   It was great to have our families there.

00:05:19   It's great to have our coworkers there, our colleagues from St. Jude.

00:05:22   Just all in all, just a real amazing experience.

00:05:28   And, you know, it was really cool.

00:05:32   I suggest everyone start a company and let it run for 10 years.

00:05:36   Yeah.

00:05:37   Well, as someone who was there watching it, I loved it.

00:05:41   I mean, it was a lot of fun.

00:05:42   I didn't make it to your fifth anniversary show in San Francisco because it was kind of in the middle of review time for us at Max Stories.

00:05:52   And so this was my first time seeing you do kind of your Family Feud style thing live in person.

00:05:57   And I loved it.

00:05:59   And it was a lot of fun.

00:06:00   The crowd was very into it.

00:06:01   I didn't see a single person who wasn't didn't have a big smile on their face and walked out of the theater happy and looking like they had enjoyed themselves.

00:06:09   We did a standing for the rules, which was like which was a day of show edition, which was incredible.

00:06:16   That was fantastic.

00:06:19   It was good.

00:06:19   My family were very confused about the stuff.

00:06:24   They stood, but they had no idea why they were doing it.

00:06:28   Right.

00:06:29   Is it time for the Pledge of Allegiance?

00:06:31   Yeah.

00:06:32   I did.

00:06:32   I had to explain to my mom and my brother, like, this is just the thing that they do.

00:06:36   Just go along with it.

00:06:38   Yeah, that.

00:06:40   Yeah, man.

00:06:41   It was so good.

00:06:42   Such a good time.

00:06:43   Let's do some real follow up, Steven.

00:06:45   Real follow up dot MP3 dual display support has come to the M3 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:06:56   So people may remember that when the MacBook Pro was updated with the M3, there was a lot of like hand wringing because the base model system on a chip only will push two displays.

00:07:09   And so on the notebooks, that means the built in display plus one external.

00:07:13   People are like, no, it's a pro laptop.

00:07:16   You need more than one external display.

00:07:18   Look at this new character.

00:07:20   And this prompted Apple to say, no, we're going to have a software update.

00:07:26   And that came with Mac OS Sonoma 14.6, which shipped just a couple of days ago.

00:07:34   And now the MacBook Pro with M3 will run two external displays while in clamshell mode.

00:07:41   So it doesn't allow three displays magically.

00:07:43   The system on chip is still limited to two, but if your laptop is closed, you could run two studio displays or whatever you wanted.

00:07:51   So yeah, Apple made good on this.

00:07:53   What they said.

00:07:54   And here we go.

00:07:57   When you read this headline, will you like me reminded that this was the thing that was like, oh, yeah, they did say that.

00:08:06   I completely forgotten about it.

00:08:08   This was introduced for the MacBook Air.

00:08:11   So this this was the timeline.

00:08:12   The machine was released in October of twenty three.

00:08:15   It was like spooky Halloween event Apple did that was fun.

00:08:18   And then the MacBook Air was updated and it had it.

00:08:22   And that's when people really like what you could do with an air, not a pro.

00:08:25   And so that was in March.

00:08:27   And so it's been since March.

00:08:28   There's only been three months as Apple said it, but, you know, almost nine months since the machine was released.

00:08:35   Anyways, all all buttoned up now.

00:08:37   And if you're running Sonoma fourteen point six, I guess probably be the last major build, you know, unless something unexpected happens.

00:08:45   We're getting close to the end for the Sonoma cycle, I think.

00:08:49   Yeah, I would think so.

00:08:50   I would think so.

00:08:51   I mean, I mean, you'd hope so.

00:08:53   Yeah, it's August.

00:08:55   It's August tomorrow.

00:08:58   True.

00:08:59   Yeah.

00:08:59   Mike, tell us about your AirPods.

00:09:03   Vindicated.

00:09:04   I got so I got so much follow up, like via the feedback form and on social media for people that have the exact same AirPods issue that I do.

00:09:13   There were a lot of people who were trying to helpfully tell me about conversational awareness.

00:09:18   That's not what I was talking about.

00:09:20   That is a feature that I choose to use.

00:09:22   This is it.

00:09:23   But lots of people experience the same thing as me of basically feeling like your AirPods reboot.

00:09:30   And I have not found any scenario from anybody sent in to reliably solve this.

00:09:37   It tells me that there is a widespread enough issue that something's going on either with AirPods, with AirPods firmware or with its connection to the iPhone.

00:09:47   And so I'm kind of just hoping that something will get fixed in the future.

00:09:52   But yeah, it's still happening to me and it seems like it's happening to many of the passionate ones.

00:09:56   So I feel vindicated in that at least.

00:09:58   Have you started a gate?

00:10:02   What would it be?

00:10:05   Connected gate, connection gate.

00:10:09   Connection gate?

00:10:10   I like connected gate.

00:10:12   Let's do that.

00:10:12   No, no, we don't need to drag the show into it.

00:10:14   No, no, no, no.

00:10:15   No, we definitely do.

00:10:16   Connected gate.

00:10:16   I don't particularly want the clicks, you know, because I've seen what happens to people's lives when they have a gate for clicks.

00:10:27   And wow.

00:10:29   Steven, come on.

00:10:33   If I was going to do it for the clicks, it would have been a much better video.

00:10:37   Steven, it wasn't not for clicks.

00:10:41   It wasn't.

00:10:41   It was to educate the public.

00:10:45   I don't think it was super well.

00:10:47   Yeah, it was like a weekend thing.

00:10:50   I remember.

00:10:50   I recorded that.

00:10:52   Okay, so if people don't know, I had a gate once.

00:10:54   And there's like the seven second video on YouTube I recorded literally in my bedroom with a phone doing a thing.

00:11:02   And you could hear like birds chirping in the background because I recorded it in my bedroom on a Saturday for a blog post.

00:11:08   But, you know, these things are not helping.

00:11:10   There is a rule.

00:11:12   We've talked about this before.

00:11:13   And John, I know you're aware of this too.

00:11:15   There is a relationship between the amount of time and energy you put into a project on the internet and sometimes how successful it is.

00:11:23   You can work really hard at something and no one care at all.

00:11:27   Or you film a seven second audio clip in your bedroom on a Saturday morning and it ends up on Good Morning America.

00:11:35   Like sometimes those things happen on the internet.

00:11:38   This is one of those.

00:11:43   Look, 2016 was a different time for all of us, you know, and sometimes you just, you know, you just put something on YouTube, right?

00:11:53   Yeah.

00:11:54   And sometimes then it finds its way to NBC News.

00:11:56   Yeah.

00:11:57   But my grandmother saw the news and called my mom wondering if I was in trouble.

00:12:00   I mean, you weren't not.

00:12:02   I wasn't in trouble.

00:12:04   You weren't not in trouble.

00:12:05   Like this is, I had a thing once, you know, I had a thing once with a, it was nowhere near this, but it was like something about an iPhone home button and gloves.

00:12:18   Like it was like the first capacitive home button.

00:12:21   And I realized like, oh, it won't work if there's any kind of material in the way.

00:12:26   And that like became like a, it was nowhere, nowhere near this, but it was that moment.

00:12:31   And just like people writing articles about my tweet was like, yeah, I'm going to stop doing this.

00:12:37   And I think Hissgate stopped even from doing this too.

00:12:40   You kind of realize that it's not worth it.

00:12:42   Like, unless what you really want is to generate this.

00:12:46   There are people who this is what they want.

00:12:48   Right?

00:12:48   Like, click.

00:12:49   And like clickbait is not about misleading people.

00:12:52   It's just about trying to get attention for something.

00:12:56   Right.

00:12:56   And there are people whose careers are benefited by that.

00:13:01   I'm definitely not.

00:13:02   I don't believe Steven is either.

00:13:04   I mean, I am definitely not because all I do is podcasts.

00:13:07   Right.

00:13:08   And like clickbait does not help podcasts.

00:13:10   And of course, you know, the two of you both right.

00:13:13   And headlines, you do want a catchy headline to bring in people to an art call.

00:13:17   But catchy podcast titles I do not believe encourage listening.

00:13:22   It's extremely hard for a podcast to go viral.

00:13:27   And when they do happen, it happens in politics sometimes.

00:13:31   You know, someone says something they shouldn't.

00:13:34   It's always actually just like video YouTube interview shows.

00:13:37   It's not what we do as podcasts.

00:13:39   What we do is pretty antiviral, if you will.

00:13:45   The only clickbait that I can find success in in podcasting is naming a podcast episode after a video that Grey has done.

00:13:53   That works pretty well.

00:13:55   Sure.

00:13:56   OK.

00:13:57   Aside from that, if we name an episode of Cortex the name of the video he just published, it tends to do pretty good.

00:14:03   I'm sure.

00:14:05   Outside of that, kind of nothing really.

00:14:08   If I just put state of the, that also helps me.

00:14:11   I look forward to the next episode of Cortex, the simple solution to traffic.

00:14:15   Or Canada and the United States bizarre border.

00:14:20   We may have done that.

00:14:21   I'm not kidding.

00:14:22   We may have done that.

00:14:23   Like, I actually don't know.

00:14:24   Like if we spoke about that video, we probably named it that.

00:14:28   That's kind of like a thing we have done.

00:14:30   Man, 40 million views.

00:14:33   That's wild.

00:14:35   So it helps, you know, to be successful.

00:14:38   Like, look, we have one here, like making, or we do this, like making and then the name of the thing.

00:14:45   So we're like making the interstate's forgotten code in February 2022.

00:14:49   That's good.

00:14:50   Or call the episode AI Art Will Make Marionettes of Us All Before It Destroys the World.

00:14:55   That was a good title.

00:14:57   Yeah.

00:14:58   And it also generated a lot of views, but they weren't happy people.

00:15:02   Speaking of clickbait articles and headlines, this is maybe the best headline I've written in quite a while.

00:15:18   This was published on June 26th.

00:15:21   I'm just a simple Macintosh user asking a bazillion dollar company for a better way to move tasks between lists and reminders.

00:15:28   And I'm very happy to say that macOS Sequoia now includes the ability to move tasks between lists and reminders more easily.

00:15:40   This is now example three or four, I think, of me asking for things for reminders and app that I don't use to be fixed.

00:15:48   Do you secretly work on the reminders?

00:15:50   No, I think he does.

00:15:52   But I run to the press every year and write a blog post and they've done this.

00:15:56   So now in the inspector and reminders and Sequoia, you can swap the list that a task is on.

00:16:03   Thank you, reminders team.

00:16:05   Yeah, I would suggest that anybody who wants some feature in any OS that Apple makes just send an email to Steven.

00:16:12   That's what I do now.

00:16:14   I don't use the feedback app.

00:16:16   I ask him to write an article and that's because it seems to work.

00:16:20   Thanks, Steven.

00:16:21   Thank you for your service, you know.

00:16:23   Yeah.

00:16:23   No, I mean, the trick is to ask for something small and logical.

00:16:28   And sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't.

00:16:30   I still have a bunch of feedbacks that are still open to a bunch of other things.

00:16:34   But the reminders team seems very sensitive to good feedback.

00:16:37   Can you write an article about the ability to have your device in dark mode but not have dark icons?

00:16:46   Could you write that article, please?

00:16:47   Dude, I have so many.

00:16:50   Springboard in iOS 18 is a wild, wild place to be right now.

00:16:54   Yeah, I'm sure you're very familiar with it.

00:16:56   Oh, yeah.

00:16:57   Yeah, I spent some time staring at the sun trying to understand.

00:17:01   Springboard for your work.

00:17:02   I have not figured out the rhyme or reason to it myself.

00:17:06   I don't understand it.

00:17:07   It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:17:08   It's like, oh, you like dark mode and obviously you like everything dark.

00:17:12   You are Batman.

00:17:13   You must love everything in black.

00:17:15   They've made some surprising decisions there.

00:17:18   Reminders, though, I got that dialed in.

00:17:22   All right, just got to work on the smart list next because that's the last thing that I think I really need is to have the ability to create a smart list that includes some lists but not all of them.

00:17:33   Ooh, OK.

00:17:34   It's pretty, yeah, it's, I mean, if you go back.

00:17:37   Fire up MozEdit, Steven, it's time to go.

00:17:39   Let's go.

00:17:40   Yeah.

00:17:43   If you go back and look at some of Federico's old reviews, you'll see that he's mentioned it at least two or three times.

00:17:48   Yeah, but see, that's buried in 180,000 words about iOS.

00:17:52   And the trick is to write a blog post with a good headline and include that in the feedback and include the feedback number in the blog post and then hope for the best.

00:18:03   Do you have a webinar I can sign Federico up for maybe?

00:18:05   Well, it's a course.

00:18:07   A good headline webinar.

00:18:09   A little SEO webinar that I can send Federico to.

00:18:13   We'll pay for it with the, you know, out of the back story's budget.

00:18:16   Yeah, John, sometimes when I'm writing, the headline comes first.

00:18:22   What about you?

00:18:23   Are you a headline first person or?

00:18:25   No, I am a person who writes title at the top and then just writes the article and does it at the end.

00:18:31   OK.

00:18:32   Almost always.

00:18:33   Interesting.

00:18:34   You guys know about the way YouTubers work, right?

00:18:37   They think about the thumbnail and then work backwards.

00:18:39   Yeah, the thumbnail sometimes comes before the idea for the video.

00:18:44   Like the idea is to title the thumbnail and then they make a video.

00:18:49   I've wondered why I am the way that I am in this regard.

00:18:53   That's a bigger topic for another day overall.

00:18:56   I've accidentally...

00:18:57   I've paid a lot of money to work that problem out.

00:19:00   Let's get comfortable.

00:19:02   This is going to take all afternoon.

00:19:04   Yeah.

00:19:05   I've accidentally...

00:19:06   Stephen, just lay back.

00:19:07   Lay back on this couch.

00:19:08   I've accidentally created reconcilable differences and therapy all at once.

00:19:12   But I think it's because in high school college, the student newspaper thing and in college,

00:19:18   one of my many tasks over the years was actually to write headlines because our reporters,

00:19:25   they'd often mock something in.

00:19:27   But I was in charge of layout and design of the paper.

00:19:29   And so I very often would take their headline and rewrite it or tweak it to make it fit

00:19:34   or kind of flow better with what we were doing overall.

00:19:37   And I think that is what...

00:19:40   I still think that way.

00:19:42   That reminders post, I had it in my back of my mind because I'd written about it before.

00:19:47   It's like, "Oh, I need to revisit this."

00:19:49   And the headline is what came first about the, "I'm just a simple user asking a bazillion

00:19:53   dollar company."

00:19:54   Kind of like the boom box outside the window kind of feeling.

00:19:59   Have you seen the movie?

00:20:01   Do you know what movie that is?

00:20:03   No.

00:20:04   I mean...

00:20:05   It's Notting Hill.

00:20:06   It's Notting Hill.

00:20:07   I have never seen it.

00:20:08   That's a great movie.

00:20:09   You should watch it.

00:20:10   You've been in London now so you'll like it.

00:20:11   Yeah, it's a good one.

00:20:12   Yeah, it's...

00:20:13   Oh, what is the name of the actress in that movie?

00:20:17   I forget.

00:20:18   Let me look up in call sheet.

00:20:20   Notting Hill.

00:20:21   Julia Roberts.

00:20:22   I could picture her, but I couldn't think of a name.

00:20:24   Julia Roberts standing in front of Hugh Grant.

00:20:26   Spoilers for Notting Hill from 1999.

00:20:30   And it's like, I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy telling her to love him.

00:20:35   Him to love her or something.

00:20:36   I've ruined that line.

00:20:37   Steven, go watch the movie and then report on the line.

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00:22:27   Surprise!

00:22:28   18.1 beta is out.

00:22:30   This is fun.

00:22:32   Yo dog, I heard you like betas.

00:22:36   I could put betas on top of your betas.

00:22:39   That's right.

00:22:40   Steven, what are these betas?

00:22:42   So it's 18.1, Sequoia 15.1, WatchOS 11.1, the WatchOS doesn't really have Apple intelligence

00:22:48   stuff per se.

00:22:50   But this is the beta that brings along Apple intelligence.

00:22:54   Now this is region locked as expected, not available in China or the EU.

00:23:00   Apple said as much earlier this summer.

00:23:03   Weirdly there's a wait list in the developer beta.

00:23:06   Now I did this the day after it came out because I was flying home when this was unfolding,

00:23:11   but I was in in just a few minutes.

00:23:14   So some people in our discord for members saying it was taking a little bit longer now,

00:23:17   but basically you say, Hey, I want in and then you get notification that you're in.

00:23:21   Jason was told that, Jason was briefed that for the developer beta, the approvals would

00:23:30   be basically instant.

00:23:31   Okay.

00:23:32   And it seems so my read on that is they're just testing the approval system.

00:23:36   Yeah, I think so.

00:23:37   But it took me about 10 minutes to get in I think.

00:23:41   Mine was a little bit longer as well.

00:23:43   Mine was like an hour or something.

00:23:45   But you know, I think maybe they were just like stretching it like, you know, short,

00:23:50   long, short, long kind of thing, you know.

00:23:52   But they're, I got the impression that for this beta they're not like wait listing,

00:24:00   wait listing.

00:24:01   And I guess we'll see what happens if this will even still be a thing or what like later

00:24:06   on.

00:24:07   But the waitlist part of it is so weird to me.

00:24:09   Do you remember the mailbox waitlist?

00:24:11   Like mailbox did so many things first and I think this was the first one and you'd

00:24:17   get your number and you could like boost your number by sharing and like, it was absolute

00:24:23   genius marketing.

00:24:24   Man, I miss mailbox so much.

00:24:26   Then it got sunsetted real hard.

00:24:28   I'll never forget Dropbox for that.

00:24:32   Anything else on mailbox you want to talk about?

00:24:34   No, I think I've done my mailbox corner for this week.

00:24:37   This is in conjunction with a bunch of in person Apple intelligence events.

00:24:46   The Cupertino, I think there's also, there are also some in Europe to bring developers

00:24:51   in.

00:24:52   Well, it's not Europe technically, I guess the UK to bring in developers to recap with

00:24:56   them what they're doing.

00:24:58   Because there are some developer opportunities here to integrate with this stuff.

00:25:04   But it is a first beta.

00:25:06   And so there are a bunch of things that are present.

00:25:09   There's some other things that are not.

00:25:12   Some people are finding ways to work around the region locks.

00:25:18   You can see what the privacy stuff is doing.

00:25:22   So there's actually like this report you can run showing you what's on device and what's

00:25:26   been sent to the, what are they calling it?

00:25:28   The private compute cloud or private cloud computer.

00:25:32   That's right.

00:25:33   Private the PCC or whatever.

00:25:35   That's what the kids call it.

00:25:37   I think private cloud compute PCC.

00:25:39   When people say PCC, I always think of PRC and that's different.

00:25:44   That's maybe not too different.

00:25:46   Who knows?

00:25:47   You know what I mean?

00:25:48   Who knows?

00:25:49   We don't know.

00:25:50   Maybe not.

00:25:51   Maybe it could be very similar or very different.

00:25:56   So yeah, that's, should we talk about what is present in this release?

00:26:03   Yeah.

00:26:04   Okay.

00:26:05   So the summarization and writing tools are all here.

00:26:08   So if you're on a webpage and you go into reader mode, you can have it summarize it

00:26:14   for you.

00:26:15   It pulls table of contents based on headers in an article, which is pretty nice.

00:26:19   You can kind of click around pretty quickly.

00:26:22   The writing tools are here.

00:26:23   So that's the grammar checking, the tone shifting.

00:26:27   So Hey, I wrote this email to my boss.

00:26:30   Please make it sound friendly.

00:26:31   Please make it sound more professional.

00:26:34   And on the Mac, at least those are all in line with kind of the other grammar and spell

00:26:38   checking tools behind it.

00:26:39   Right click, which I think makes a lot of sense on the Mac.

00:26:43   On iOS, it's like behind a button and you can kind of get to it, but the interface,

00:26:47   what's your feeling in the keyboard in the keyboard.

00:26:49   Okay.

00:26:50   Yeah.

00:26:51   So if you select text, the little icon pops up in the quick type bar.

00:26:54   Okay.

00:26:55   Tap that.

00:26:56   But yeah, cause at first I was like, is it weird?

00:26:58   Like you just put it in the cut, copy and paste thing, which has also made the cut,

00:27:02   copy and paste thing hilariously larger.

00:27:04   Yeah.

00:27:05   I pad it's massive.

00:27:07   Yeah, it's massive.

00:27:08   But it's also like, cause also in quick type, like when you're, you know, you get

00:27:13   like shiny, like colorful shiny text, which is recommendations from Apple intelligence,

00:27:19   but it also has the little, I don't even know what to call that.

00:27:23   Did you in America, did you have something called the spiral graph?

00:27:26   Yes.

00:27:27   Yes.

00:27:28   So the Apple intelligence logo looks like it was made on a spiral graph.

00:27:32   Yeah, it does.

00:27:33   It really does.

00:27:34   Or yeah, it does.

00:27:35   It looks like a seal, a tg seal approval too.

00:27:37   I think it does look like that.

00:27:39   He does approve of all AI tools.

00:27:41   So he does.

00:27:42   He does.

00:27:43   He's well known for that actually.

00:27:45   Yeah.

00:27:46   He's well known for that.

00:27:47   And so yeah, it pops up as it shows the little spiral graph in the quick type thing.

00:27:52   You can tap that and change the text off with it that way too.

00:27:56   In mail, you have the priority messages and summaries.

00:28:02   For me, that's hilariously broken.

00:28:03   I keep wanting to pull this email from my archive back into my inbox is like, this is

00:28:08   important.

00:28:09   It's not, it's not even in my inbox, Apple like, I don't know what's going on there.

00:28:12   Yeah.

00:28:13   I saw something like that too.

00:28:14   I have one today where it did the same thing and it got out my iPad and it had one email

00:28:20   and the, but then it made a box that was the entire width of the screen that was empty.

00:28:24   So the whole width of my inbox was the priority thing and I have one email in it and you can't,

00:28:33   I don't, what I don't like is we're going to talk more about impressions in a minute,

00:28:37   but like while we're on that, like you can't do anything with that.

00:28:40   You can do is open the email.

00:28:42   You can't like swipe it away.

00:28:44   It's just open the email on nothing.

00:28:46   It's like, all right, thanks.

00:28:48   Yeah, it's early.

00:28:50   It's beta one.

00:28:51   Yeah, I know.

00:28:52   I know.

00:28:53   I know.

00:28:54   Phone calls can be recorded, transcribed and summarized.

00:28:57   I attempted this today and when I hit the button, nothing happened, but as I've seen

00:29:02   online, people have gotten it working.

00:29:04   So that's in there.

00:29:07   You can type to Siri so you can double tap the bottom of the display and it brings up

00:29:12   the type of Siri interface with just the keyboard, kind of a text box above the keyboard is all

00:29:17   rainbowy showing that it's AI.

00:29:20   Very exciting.

00:29:22   If you have not had that, had that working on your devices and you're running these betas,

00:29:25   a restart should bring it, bring it back.

00:29:28   It did not work for me until I rebooted my phone.

00:29:31   Same.

00:29:32   And then on the Mac, it's like command key twice or globe S because on the Mac, Apple

00:29:37   doesn't understand how keyboard shortcuts work.

00:29:39   And so some people use, some teams use command, other teams use the globe key.

00:29:43   It's very confusing over there.

00:29:46   And then, uh, some more summarization stuff and notes and messages, some better natural

00:29:52   language search and photos.

00:29:54   And then what I think maybe the most interesting, and we'll talk about it in our impressions

00:29:59   is the reduce interruptions focus mode is now, uh, now available to you.

00:30:05   What is, what's globus?

00:30:07   Is that like Siri?

00:30:09   Like w is that what that is?

00:30:11   Yeah.

00:30:12   Okay.

00:30:13   I was like sitting here for ages.

00:30:14   Like what could the S mean?

00:30:15   I think it's intelligence.

00:30:18   I got intelligence.

00:30:21   So what's missing as of beta one, there's no image or emoji generation.

00:30:27   So no image playgrounds, no, you know, make an emoji of a dinosaur riding a space shuttle

00:30:32   into the sun.

00:30:34   There's no chat.

00:30:35   Be chat.

00:30:36   GBT fallback is not here.

00:30:38   The AI photo editing is not here.

00:30:41   So the, you know, Oh, we move this in the background.

00:30:43   You know, those were the tools that are basically kind of everywhere now for AI for nothing.

00:30:48   Those aren't there.

00:30:49   Uh, priority notifications and male categorization aren't here.

00:30:54   And then, uh, the entire world of like personal context, screen awareness type stuff also

00:31:02   lacking in beta one.

00:31:04   Yeah.

00:31:05   Right.

00:31:06   I had some, some questions for the two of you.

00:31:08   Okay.

00:31:09   I want to get your, your expert opinions on this.

00:31:12   So this, this first one is like two questions in one, which is, will this come to the new

00:31:19   so like, you know, we're assuming the iOS 18 is for new iPhones, right?

00:31:23   Just when it always roughly launches, it's like around new iPhone time.

00:31:27   Yeah.

00:31:28   Well, 18.1 ship on the new iPhones.

00:31:34   Will it come later and or could iOS 18 be released in like August?

00:31:41   So I think that the new phones will ship with iOS 18.

00:31:46   I think at the same time, 18 one will be in beta public beta.

00:31:51   You'll be able to through the setup process, maybe add that if you want, uh, when you set

00:31:58   up a new iPhone 16.

00:32:01   But I do think it's going to be later.

00:32:03   I really do feel like these, especially given the state that these tools are in right now,

00:32:08   I think it's going to be October easily before this, this stuff actually ships.

00:32:12   What do you think, Steven?

00:32:14   I think that's, I think that's about right.

00:32:16   I do not see them moving.

00:32:18   I always say 18 forward.

00:32:20   Uh, the normal timeframe.

00:32:22   Yeah.

00:32:23   I think it'll come later.

00:32:25   And I think even 18.1 won't include everything they've talked about.

00:32:30   Probably.

00:32:31   I think some of it may be 18.2.

00:32:33   Vic Turner's discourse says if history is repeated itself, they'll release iOS 18 for

00:32:37   a few days and then 18.1 will be on the new phones at launch.

00:32:40   That's been happening right in the last couple of years.

00:32:43   It's been, it's been bug fixes though.

00:32:45   Not features.

00:32:46   Yeah.

00:32:47   And then issues with the point O. Um, if this, okay.

00:32:53   Do you think there is a possibility that they may roll any of these features into 18?

00:33:00   I don't think so.

00:33:01   Okay.

00:33:02   I think they want to keep these things separate.

00:33:03   I, I really feel like this stuff is in alpha shape right now.

00:33:06   It's not even really developer beta shape.

00:33:08   I mean, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't work right or is weird or is just kind of

00:33:13   not particularly useful at this point.

00:33:15   And I don't think they want to go out with new, with a new operating system on new phones

00:33:21   with something that's kind of semi broken.

00:33:23   And I mean, yeah, it'll get a lot better over the next, you know, month and a half.

00:33:28   But we're really, I mean, at this point we're like what, six, seven, eight weeks away from,

00:33:33   you know, from 18 and from new iPhones.

00:33:35   I, you know, I really don't, I, yeah, I have a hard time seeing them putting it in 18,

00:33:40   anything of it really.

00:33:41   But I think too, they need to be mindful of first impressions with this.

00:33:46   They've made a really big deal of it.

00:33:48   Yes.

00:33:49   It's a big deal in the industry, whether it should be or not, you know, side table that

00:33:53   for now, uh, Apple's made a big deal of it and they're going to want people's first uses

00:33:58   of it to be as good as possible.

00:34:01   And I don't think that putting something early is like worth risking that because whenever

00:34:09   they release it, there will be issues, I'm sure, but they want to minimize that.

00:34:13   And so I could see them saying, look, uh, this is going to be an 18.1 and you know,

00:34:17   I think like John said, it'd probably be in public beta by then.

00:34:20   So people will be able to get their hands on it if they really want to, because there

00:34:24   will be people who buy a new phone for this reason, right?

00:34:28   Because this is not coming to older devices.

00:34:31   And that gives a little bit of an escape hatch for those people who are like nerdy enough

00:34:35   to know that and know how to get a public beta.

00:34:37   But for the rest of the world, it will just come out later.

00:34:41   I'm definitely coming around to what you said, John, about them maybe prompting people if

00:34:46   they want to install the public beta.

00:34:47   I could imagine maybe 18 on the new phones could have an Apple intelligence thing in

00:34:52   settings that you would tap it, but you have to sign up for the beta for this.

00:34:55   Do you want to, I mean, because that also tracks of what I think we'd all expected that

00:34:59   when these features launched to the public, they're being beta or anyway, and this would

00:35:05   just enforce that, like they're going to call this a beta even when it's available.

00:35:11   Like even when 18.1 is shipping, they will still be calling this stuff a beta because

00:35:16   why wouldn't you?

00:35:17   Like you have the opportunity to do that and nobody is going to be surprised about that.

00:35:21   So you may as well just do it.

00:35:22   Like they've done this stuff so many times, right?

00:35:25   Like a lot of the photo stuff that they've done in the past, they've had, they've called

00:35:29   it a beta when they put it out there, right?

00:35:33   As people that review, I don't know if you're doing any kind of reviewing this year, Steven,

00:35:36   but I know obviously, Jon, you are, and you have, I'm sure some visibility to Federico's

00:35:42   process.

00:35:43   Right.

00:35:44   Doesn't this complicate things for you massively now?

00:35:46   Because I'm sure that you're running point one, but your review is about point O and

00:35:51   now you're like running a different, potentially running a different version of the operating

00:35:55   system to the one you'll be reviewing.

00:35:58   Yeah, it does complicate things.

00:35:59   I don't know if it's massively though.

00:36:01   I haven't had a chance to talk to Federico about this because our vacations overlapped,

00:36:06   but he he's on 18.1, which I think the UI is separate enough that it's not going to cause

00:36:13   him like some very technical issues with things like grading screenshots.

00:36:18   That's like, I'm not on this, right?

00:36:20   Like for him, it's, it's still 18.

00:36:22   Yeah, that's true.

00:36:23   That's true.

00:36:24   I mean, so there, there are a bunch of layers of issues here.

00:36:26   One is he can't get this right now.

00:36:27   Maybe he can, you know, figure out a trick to get into it at some point, but he doesn't

00:36:32   have this available.

00:36:33   I suspect what we'll end up doing is he's going to publish his iOS and iPadOS 18 review

00:36:39   day and date with its launch.

00:36:41   And then we'll do something different for 18.1.

00:36:44   Maybe I'll write it.

00:36:45   I don't know.

00:36:46   I haven't spoken to him about that.

00:36:47   I mean, we, we should cover it, but if he can't cover it, then someone needs to cover

00:36:51   it.

00:36:52   And so maybe that'll be me.

00:36:53   So I've kind of been digging into it pretty deeply.

00:36:55   I have not installed it on my Mac yet because of kind of the concerns you raised, Mike,

00:37:00   which are if I put this on my beta Mac, am I going to be polluting my environment in

00:37:06   a way that makes it more difficult for me to review 18?

00:37:10   And I got to be really careful about that.

00:37:12   I just don't have unlimited M1 Macs sitting around my house where I can have one, one

00:37:18   on each beta.

00:37:19   So I don't know what I'm going to do yet.

00:37:22   I've just been kind of playing wait and see because I was traveling the day this came

00:37:25   out.

00:37:26   I didn't put this on my devices until yesterday.

00:37:29   So I'm only like 24 hours into this anyway, but I'm kind of playing wait and see with

00:37:34   Mac OS to kind of, to, to read a few articles, understand just if nothing else, how it changes

00:37:41   the way the system works.

00:37:43   Because I don't want to get into a position where I have trouble reviewing 18 because

00:37:49   I've got 18 or 15 when I have 15 one on my Mac.

00:37:53   So that's kind of the things I'm thinking about right now.

00:37:56   It's a, it's complicated too in development land, right?

00:37:59   Cause I working on the iOS 18 releases of widget Smith and pedometer and everything.

00:38:04   And so I have like one, my, my carry phone now is 18.1 because also I'm talking about

00:38:12   all this stuff.

00:38:13   Like we're doing it right now.

00:38:15   My test development phone is going to stay on the 18.0 track because that's what customers

00:38:21   are going to have.

00:38:22   That's what we're building against.

00:38:23   Like it is extremely complicated all of a sudden because it's unclear if the only difference

00:38:31   between 0.0 and 0.1 is Apple intelligence or are there other things behind the scenes?

00:38:37   Like you said, John, like pollute, I like polluting your environment accidentally even

00:38:42   like not, you know, really having a full picture of what's what.

00:38:46   So it is, it is complicated this year if you're covering this stuff or working in this space

00:38:51   and even being a developer like Steven, what are you doing for testing of widget Smith?

00:38:57   So right now we're focused on 18.0 and so yeah, I've got a phone that's just running

00:39:02   that.

00:39:03   I think we do not know is if 18.0 like a new beta of 18.0 comes out, will the 18.1 beta

00:39:10   have the same stuff in it?

00:39:13   Are they running on different tracks?

00:39:14   Exactly.

00:39:15   Will there be some kind of conflict between them with some services or anything?

00:39:19   There could be all kinds of things that crop up.

00:39:21   I think where I am heading since I'm done with my big trip to Europe is I think I will

00:39:27   probably run 18.0 on my desktop and 18.1 on my laptop and just cross my fingers that audio

00:39:35   hijack continues to work on, I keep calling it 18, but 15.

00:39:41   But I'll use 15.0 on my desktop, 15.1 on my laptop and hope that audio hijack keeps working.

00:39:49   Yeah, I put 18.1 on the iPad that I have here at the studio because I was just really intrigued

00:39:57   about it.

00:39:59   And this is because when we were recording upgrade and all this news dropped, a couple

00:40:02   of people in the Discord are like, "You probably shouldn't put this on your phone if you're

00:40:06   getting a new phone.

00:40:07   It's going to potentially make that complicated because you're trying to do the setup process."

00:40:12   Yeah, it does.

00:40:13   Right?

00:40:14   No, it's not as bad as it could be.

00:40:16   No, but it's not terrible, but it's definitely not simple.

00:40:21   It's definitely going to add complications.

00:40:25   And so yeah, I actually do think that I'm leaning towards no beta on my iPhone this

00:40:32   year because what I will probably want to use is 18.1 and I may just wait for my new

00:40:39   phone and then put 18.1 on my new phone.

00:40:41   It's probably the way that I'm going because 18 is not interesting to me, but 18.1, we'll

00:40:48   talk about it in a minute, is more interesting to me than 18 is.

00:40:51   And I don't think I want to put it on my phone yet, but maybe I'll see how the next couple

00:40:55   of hours go and then just deal with this problem.

00:40:59   Yeah, for people who aren't familiar, the process now, if you're running a beta and

00:41:06   you migrate to a new phone, the new phone will say, "Hey, you're on a beta.

00:41:11   Do you want to download that beta here?"

00:41:12   And so it used to be you have to set the phone up, kind of fake it, like set the phone up

00:41:17   with no data transfer, install the beta, erase all content and settings on the phone, and

00:41:23   then migrate to it.

00:41:24   It used to be a true nightmare.

00:41:25   It is better now, but it is an extra hoop to jump through still.

00:41:30   I do wonder though, just the weirdness of having two beta tracks.

00:41:35   I don't know whether that's going to work, but you know what I mean?

00:41:39   It's just-

00:41:40   Yeah.

00:41:41   Oh, there's room for disaster for sure.

00:41:43   It may be, I think there is a possibility where they don't...

00:41:48   I still don't think they're going to release iOS 18 early, but it may be that we get the

00:41:52   iOS 18 release candidate here pretty soon.

00:41:55   And basically 18.0 is kind of done and put on the shelf, if you will.

00:42:01   It'll be on new phones.

00:42:03   It'll come out when it comes out in mid-September, but then moving forward, Apple's development

00:42:09   is on the 0.1.

00:42:11   That could be a way to help alleviate some of these issues.

00:42:15   We just don't know because this is uncharted territory for everybody.

00:42:20   It's so weird to be doing this.

00:42:24   This is unprecedented, right?

00:42:25   I don't think this has ever happened before.

00:42:27   I don't think there have been two betas this early.

00:42:32   Yeah.

00:42:34   They run betas concurrently, right?

00:42:36   Like 17.6 and 18.0.

00:42:39   But like two versions of the same unshipping operating system.

00:42:43   Yeah, I don't think that's ever happened.

00:42:46   No.

00:42:47   Especially as she says to him at this point, like when we're like midway through the cycle.

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00:44:20   So I want to guide us through some discussion of the things that are there, at least from

00:44:26   my perspective, the things that I've been able to use.

00:44:28   I've not been able to use everything yet.

00:44:31   Some stuff for me is not working, like the creating of photos, movies, it's just not

00:44:36   working.

00:44:37   It's just telling me it's analyzing my photo library.

00:44:39   Same here.

00:44:40   I don't know what it's doing.

00:44:42   I've seen video on threads of it working.

00:44:45   So some people weren't able to do it.

00:44:47   The first part for me is Siri.

00:44:52   I think they've messed up here by not making it, I feel like any noticeably better.

00:45:03   I know one of the things that it does.

00:45:06   It's arguably worse, I'd say.

00:45:08   Interesting.

00:45:09   All right.

00:45:10   I like that take.

00:45:11   One of the things that it does do now is apparently, you can ask multiple questions about the same

00:45:17   thing and it will hold some context.

00:45:19   And I've seen some examples of that working.

00:45:21   I've had some examples of that myself.

00:45:24   But there are certain things where it's like, they've created the new UI, right?

00:45:28   Like the new UI and the typing to Siri.

00:45:31   And apparently, later on, as we spoke about earlier, there are going to be these personal

00:45:34   context things and it will get smarter.

00:45:37   But I want to guide you through a conversation that I had with my assistant.

00:45:42   I asked, where is Steven?

00:45:43   And it showed Steven on Find My.

00:45:45   I said, how's the weather there?

00:45:47   And it showed me the weather for London.

00:45:50   And I said, no, Memphis.

00:45:51   And it did a Google search for Memphis.

00:45:54   Now, that wasn't a great experience.

00:45:56   And I think launching Apple intelligence with the new look for Siri, but without any of

00:46:03   the major behind the scenes changes is a really bad idea.

00:46:08   Because I think people are going to think that it's going to be better and then immediately

00:46:15   like say, oh, it still sucks.

00:46:18   And I think that that is not great.

00:46:20   I don't think they had to do the Siri UI changes yet if they don't have the smarts behind it.

00:46:29   I think they should have waited to do that if it doesn't seem, at least to me, to be

00:46:35   any better.

00:46:36   Like I even did the thing where it's like, what is 7 a.m. Pacific time, 7 a.m. U.S. Pacific

00:46:42   time in London?

00:46:44   And it still can't do that, but it just still can't understand that.

00:46:48   And so what I like, though, is have a little feedback button.

00:46:50   And I tapped it and I fill out a thing and said, Siri should be able to do this.

00:46:54   And I submitted it.

00:46:55   And it came right to my email.

00:46:57   Thank you for that.

00:46:58   Oh, good.

00:46:59   Good.

00:47:00   You're going to send it to a reminders team?

00:47:01   Yeah.

00:47:02   I think that they're going to this isn't going to be great for them to have not improved,

00:47:06   not to not have the major Siri improvements ready, but to have changed all the UI and

00:47:12   to be calling it Apple intelligence, because this is just the easy dunk of not that intelligent.

00:47:17   And I don't really know why they'd open themselves up to that.

00:47:19   Yeah, it is a very easy dunk.

00:47:21   I think the you're right.

00:47:23   I've had a very similar experience to you, Mike.

00:47:25   I did the similar kind of thing with asking a series of questions, getting wrong answers

00:47:30   and then saying, no, I mean this and getting the right answers.

00:47:34   So it it does have some of that contextual awareness.

00:47:37   An awful lot of queries, though, are still responded with are still answered with with

00:47:44   links to Google searches.

00:47:47   I I tried the thing like where you say, how do I turn on dark mode?

00:47:53   And that works.

00:47:54   It does the it showed me the four steps from the iPhone user guide that you do for that.

00:48:00   Interesting.

00:48:01   If you tap on it, it opens up in on the web, which is I asked it how to turn on Wi Fi and

00:48:05   it told me it couldn't.

00:48:07   Well, I was going to say that I asked it how to zap my PRAM in it.

00:48:15   And it got you know what I just realized, like I was thinking to myself then I should

00:48:19   talk to John like, oh, maybe maybe this like I think it series not answering things as

00:48:26   good as a chat.

00:48:27   But then I remembered, oh, maybe when the church, you'd be tthing is that this might

00:48:32   actually get better.

00:48:34   And so like, maybe it maybe I am being too quick to judge.

00:48:38   And maybe when they enable that it might start to feel smarter because Apple will be pushing

00:48:43   a bunch of LLM stuff out to that.

00:48:45   It'll be a bad luck, though, because they'll be leaning really heavy on chat GPT.

00:48:49   I think point is done.

00:48:50   You know what I was saying?

00:48:52   Yeah, yeah, they're going to lean into it.

00:48:54   But you're gonna have to hit a prompt saying yes, send us a chat GPT.

00:48:57   Like it's not that Siri is going to be better on.

00:49:00   I'm still hoping that if you have an account, that won't happen.

00:49:03   I guess we'll see.

00:49:06   I agree with you that overall, like the new UI plus the whole series a weird combination.

00:49:12   And I think I'm hoping that that's just like, because we're in this beta, like this, you

00:49:17   know, kind of already and not yet timeframe that we're living in at this moment.

00:49:21   Good point.

00:49:22   But I think you're right.

00:49:24   The new UI, which is beautiful, like whoever worked on all that, like just

00:49:28   All of the animation.

00:49:29   So good.

00:49:30   And they've really done a good job of like,

00:49:34   They've killed it.

00:49:35   Giving a look to AI.

00:49:36   Mm hmm.

00:49:37   I really like it.

00:49:38   And I think all that is obviously by design, because Apple's projecting, hey, this is different.

00:49:44   Like this thing is new and exciting.

00:49:46   And it so far, the UI has written a check that the intelligence can't cache, but I think

00:49:52   that will hopefully, hopefully change.

00:49:54   Yeah.

00:49:55   There are a couple other things.

00:49:56   I mean, I would mention too, that like, for instance, when I asked that question about

00:50:01   turning on dark mode, when I said then show me how it on the iPhone took me straight to

00:50:10   settings, it didn't actually show me how it just, it took me to, to settings.

00:50:15   And then on the iPad, it actually showed me a toggle and the toggle, if I tapped on it,

00:50:23   didn't do anything.

00:50:24   It's the advantage of a toggle that took me to settings.

00:50:30   Okay.

00:50:31   So that was a little weird.

00:50:32   I may have actually gotten that backwards between the iPhone and the iPad, but you know

00:50:37   what I mean?

00:50:38   It's there's inconsistent UI and weird UI.

00:50:40   This is what a toggle looks like.

00:50:42   Show me a toggle.

00:50:43   It's like, well, okay, I get it that there's a toggle I have to do somewhere.

00:50:48   But I thought that this, because it looks a lot like what you would get if you did a

00:50:51   Siri search, right?

00:50:52   And you saw something from, from, you know, the app intense or whatever, but that was,

00:50:57   that was really funny.

00:50:58   I thought that was kind of crazy.

00:51:02   Placeholder dot PNG.

00:51:06   There is something cool though, I think behind that, like if Apple can make that work where

00:51:10   you just ask your device, like, how do I do this or do it for me?

00:51:14   I mean, that was the Bixby promise.

00:51:16   Remember that on Samsung phones?

00:51:17   Right.

00:51:18   Right.

00:51:19   And no one's really delivered on it.

00:51:21   And the thing that's, that's wild to me about that is that that's a known problem set, right?

00:51:26   Like Apple knows all the features of iOS, like just make sure your, your robot knows

00:51:31   about them all.

00:51:32   And so I think, I think if anything, that will get straightened out because it seems

00:51:36   like such a low hanging fruit.

00:51:39   Just use the URL schemes.

00:51:40   I mean, the, the, the other thing I tried was remind me to call Federico in things and

00:51:48   that, that kind of system with Siri has never worked super well where you're invoking other

00:51:53   apps, but it doesn't work at all when you're typing to Siri.

00:51:56   Oh no.

00:51:57   And to Taoist.

00:51:58   Remember that you had to pronounce to Taoist.

00:52:03   Right.

00:52:04   Mike, tell me about the writing tools.

00:52:06   I think out of the three of us, these are kind of most aimed at you.

00:52:09   Oh wow.

00:52:11   A real dullard.

00:52:13   Hi, welcome to the dance corner.

00:52:16   It's me, Mike Hurley.

00:52:17   John and I write professionally.

00:52:21   You don't.

00:52:22   Aimed at people like you.

00:52:23   Like I feel like you pointing through the screen, but you are right though.

00:52:27   They are aimed at me because I don't want to put the effort in that you do too.

00:52:31   You too do.

00:52:32   See, that's the thing.

00:52:33   I can't even speak.

00:52:34   Make this more professional.

00:52:35   Please rewrite like a podcaster.

00:52:38   I think they work really well in the controls of the best that I've seen because, so when

00:52:44   you highlight the text, you highlight the text that you want to change and you press

00:52:47   the little button, you get given like a pop up, which is, you know, you can basically

00:52:52   rewrite this or, uh, I don't have it in part of me, but, and then you have things like,

00:52:58   they have a couple of different styles, like professional and friendly.

00:53:01   They have a couple of buttons too, which I like.

00:53:03   Make this a list, which I just think, yes, oh, I love that because I love a good list.

00:53:08   And I think they, they work really well and I will be using them.

00:53:12   Like I've been using chat GPT to do this kind of stuff.

00:53:16   So for example, I will write a episode description for a show and I was just like, okay, take

00:53:21   this and clean it up, you know, like fix the grammar or maybe I want a different way to

00:53:26   say it, you know?

00:53:27   And I liked that it has both of those.

00:53:29   You can basically have proofread it, I think is the word that they use to, you know, fix

00:53:33   things, but then you can also change the tone if you want to.

00:53:37   When you do that, it takes over the quick type bar again and you have, you can actually

00:53:41   rate the response, which I don't know how long that will last for.

00:53:45   Like if it will be into the release and probably, but you can have a button to like do it again,

00:53:51   you know, like redo it again or revert back to how it was.

00:53:55   And I did some comparisons.

00:53:57   So like I took a look at some stuff that I'd asked chat GPT to do and I liked apples, not

00:54:05   necessarily better, but I liked it.

00:54:06   Like, you know, I was like, oh, I would use that for episode description instead of what

00:54:10   I would use to check GPT for.

00:54:12   So, and I'm happier to use that in apples free built in tools than to, I mean, I could

00:54:18   use free check GPT too, if I wanted to, but that I don't have to use another service for

00:54:22   this and what eventually I won't even need to copy and paste it into another app.

00:54:27   Like it would just be on my Mac.

00:54:29   I'll just select the text and just do it right there.

00:54:32   I think that these tools are as good as I would want from something like this with the

00:54:38   best UI that I've seen.

00:54:40   I don't need to say rewrite this in my style, you know, forget all previous instructions.

00:54:45   I don't have to do any of that.

00:54:47   There is no prompting because it is done.

00:54:50   And I think that's very smart from Apple's perspective too, because they are limiting

00:54:54   the problem set for this with just all you can do is hit these buttons and we've trained

00:55:00   our LLM to understand what these buttons mean.

00:55:04   And it also does a good job of like, if you do the proofreading, it like pops the words

00:55:08   or the punctuation in that it's changing so you can very clearly see what it's done.

00:55:15   And you know, the animations are good, but also a little bit janky, but I know that will

00:55:20   be fixed.

00:55:21   Like the text at the moment kind of like flies out of the screen a little bit, which I don't

00:55:26   think it's supposed to do.

00:55:27   It's going to the cloud, mate.

00:55:28   Again, I'm doing all this on my iPad.

00:55:30   This is not what you wanted?

00:55:31   Just get rid of that.

00:55:32   That's terrible.

00:55:33   But yeah, I really like these tools and I will be using them for sure.

00:55:38   I think that there is a much better way of doing this kind of thing than other tools

00:55:43   that I've used.

00:55:44   And the output is good enough.

00:55:46   Yeah, it is nice having those tools wherever you are.

00:55:50   Like I use Grammarly's Safari plugin because I write a lot in our CMS and Grammarly is

00:55:57   just there like monitoring and making sure that I'm not doing anything silly with my

00:56:02   typing there.

00:56:03   And I think for a lot of people, once it's built in and it's just there, it will be their

00:56:08   first experience with tools like this.

00:56:10   And that is going to put companies like Grammarly and other players, I think, on notice a little

00:56:18   bit now that something's baked in first party.

00:56:22   But I think a lot of people will be using these things in the fall who don't even know

00:56:27   they exist right now.

00:56:28   Right?

00:56:29   Never heard of a Grammarly or things like it.

00:56:31   Yeah.

00:56:32   I think they're a little, the tools are a little hidden.

00:56:35   I think it's weird that it's in a pop up.

00:56:36   I mean, I guess there are the buttons, as you said, Mike, there's more than one way

00:56:40   to kind of get to these, but I think it is a little bit semi hidden at this point, which

00:56:44   I think is a little odd.

00:56:45   I'm not sure why that is.

00:56:47   I think it's just an iOS UI problem.

00:56:50   Like this is just like, they're just layering things on top of everything because, you know,

00:56:56   what are they going to do?

00:56:57   I could imagine a world in which it's more built into the selection, like the text selection,

00:57:05   like maybe there's a little pop under rather than a pop over, which has this stuff.

00:57:09   But yeah, if you don't have a keyboard, what are you going to do?

00:57:13   Right?

00:57:14   Yeah, the action menu is doing too much.

00:57:16   I mean, it seems like the kind of thing that needs to be tied to one of those menu buttons

00:57:21   or something where they can kind of do it in an outline form and have a bunch of different

00:57:25   options.

00:57:26   I'm kind of ambivalent about a lot of these tools.

00:57:28   I think the proofreading one is the best of the bunch and that it seems to be pretty accurate

00:57:33   and it allows you to kind of step through the changes and understand why it's suggesting

00:57:37   the changes, which I think is good.

00:57:39   Yeah.

00:57:40   That, you know, that's very much just like Grammarly and other tools that are out there

00:57:42   that do something similar.

00:57:44   But as you said, it's built in, Steven, and it's, that's, that's great because I mean,

00:57:49   Grammarly is an expensive subscription.

00:57:50   It's like $120, $130 a year.

00:57:53   So I'm sure there'll be a lot of people who, who moved to something like this, myself included.

00:57:59   I don't know about the rewriting tools.

00:58:01   I found them to be okay at best.

00:58:06   They don't handle markdown particularly well.

00:58:09   They do okay, but not, they, I've found the mangling URLs.

00:58:13   I found the different tones to introduce grammar mistakes sometimes.

00:58:21   I think the summaries are, are so general to be virtually useless to me throughout the

00:58:29   system.

00:58:30   Especially when you're on a webpage.

00:58:32   I mean the, the writing ones I haven't used a lot yet.

00:58:34   So I, I can't, you know, I mean, I have to heavily caveat all this by I've had this installed

00:58:40   for 24 hours and I've only had it with everything.

00:58:44   And most you've had it 48 like this is all day, day two or three impressions.

00:58:49   Yeah.

00:58:50   So, so yeah, and like, look, I, I it's, I think there is a place for this kind of rewriting

00:58:55   stuff for certain kinds of writing and things like that.

00:58:59   It's just not something I'm ever going to use.

00:59:01   Not even for an email.

00:59:02   So it's interesting.

00:59:04   I think the email and messages summaries are the best features.

00:59:08   So email summaries, I love the inbox summary.

00:59:17   It seems inconsistent as to why or why not it may give that summary, but it's, it's doing

00:59:23   it.

00:59:24   But like for example, you can also open an email and there's a summary thing at the top

00:59:28   and it would do this for the entire thread if it's a threaded conversation or just for

00:59:32   an individual email.

00:59:34   Yeah.

00:59:35   That I do actually think is very useful because you get a lot, especially when you get a lot

00:59:38   of HTML emails with a bunch of images and I don't know, I mean you just want to know

00:59:43   what are the two pieces of information that are shoved way down the page that are in there.

00:59:48   I found that it did a pretty good job on a couple of emails I got from companies that

00:59:51   were just like alerts about something that was happening.

00:59:54   Yeah.

00:59:55   Like I booked a hotel today and in the, like the subject, what would have been the subject,

01:00:01   I guess the subject summary or whatever they call it, it just said like booking made from

01:00:05   this date for this date, it costs this.

01:00:07   I was like, that is like, that's all I ever need.

01:00:10   I don't need to open that email.

01:00:12   Also, like I, you know, I subscribe to email newsletters like we all do and I got an email

01:00:16   newsletter, it was very long and I had summarized this and it gave me the information and then

01:00:21   I was like, oh great, I do want to read this one.

01:00:24   And so like I liked that where like, you know, like an email newsletter that's about six

01:00:29   different topics rather than me scrolling through and seeing what those topics are,

01:00:33   the summary could tell me.

01:00:34   Yeah.

01:00:35   That button I think is actually very useful.

01:00:36   I'm not so sure about the summaries that are in the list of your messages because, you

01:00:44   know, it's still only three lines long and for the most part, if someone writes you a

01:00:47   decent email, you're going to be able to, I get more out of who the email is from than

01:00:53   what the first three lines say anyway and I don't think that the summary is going to

01:00:57   change that behavior, but I think if you do open it because you do want to see what's

01:01:02   in it, what you said with the button that's there, being able to summarize that and not

01:01:06   scroll all the way through is a nice feature.

01:01:09   I think it might be better when we have a situation where there's like back and forth

01:01:13   and we've not read them and so like, because I think the iMessage summaries are a good

01:01:18   example of this because I've been getting those.

01:01:21   So I feel like so far it's been hit and miss, but mostly hidden as given like a basic idea

01:01:30   of what is going on in a group thread.

01:01:32   So these show in notifications, but also in the message list.

01:01:38   Again, it's still a little bit unclear to me to what exactly triggers a summary.

01:01:43   Like I have had a summary for one message.

01:01:47   Really?

01:01:48   Yeah.

01:01:50   And it wasn't a particularly long message, but it was a paragraph.

01:01:54   Someone just sent me one message and they, I think what was particularly helpful is they

01:01:59   were talking about having like a busy couple of days and maybe we should talk about this

01:02:05   in a couple of days.

01:02:06   So I think it was the kind of thing where the system could really easily give me that

01:02:10   preview.

01:02:11   But I've also had them for, I had one where it was a conversation I had with my two brothers

01:02:18   and it says one of my brothers was sharing photos and screenshots of social media posts

01:02:23   and I'm like, yep, that's what my brother does.

01:02:25   Take screenshots of social media posts rather than sending them.

01:02:29   One was a conversation between me, Steven and James Thompson, where James is sending

01:02:34   us some pictures of the live show and it said shared photos of an auditorium of a stage

01:02:38   and a projector screen.

01:02:39   Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

01:02:41   There was a conversation between the three of us where I think it did the best of what

01:02:45   it could, where it said connected this week despite John's absence.

01:02:49   Now it was obviously Federico's absence, but we didn't give in the message that context,

01:02:56   so I actually don't really think it could have gotten that.

01:03:00   And then another one was with me and Adina and the Liszt family talking about having

01:03:06   a civil entry into the United States and having to wait for the train that they were getting.

01:03:12   It was a 16 message iMessage thread and that was the general conversation that was going

01:03:17   on.

01:03:18   So like I really like these for group threads, but there I have two kind of things that I'm

01:03:24   not sure about.

01:03:27   Obviously for group chats that I don't have notifications for, these summaries aren't

01:03:32   there, right?

01:03:34   Because I don't want notifications for them, but I would like the summaries.

01:03:37   In fact, I would like the summaries more for those, right?

01:03:42   And I don't think, I have not been able to confirm this, but if you have a,

01:03:48   so like sometimes if you have it off for, you can still see it in the message list.

01:03:53   It will still show the little summary in the message list, but if you have a conversation

01:03:58   as a pinned, I don't think it shows them for pinned messages at the moment.

01:04:02   And I don't know if it will.

01:04:04   Oh, interesting.

01:04:06   That one, the notification that I mentioned that was a truncated one message, when I opened

01:04:12   it, I have that person as a pinned contact and it didn't show me the summary there.

01:04:18   It was the little bubble that was above their name.

01:04:20   So I don't know if that's a decision or again, this stuff is early, but there is this funny

01:04:26   thing of like, but I would like, say like our group chat that the three of us in Federico

01:04:32   have, I have that muted because it can be very noisy, right?

01:04:35   And it's, I assume we probably all have that muted notification wise.

01:04:39   But I would really love it.

01:04:41   We all do.

01:04:42   It's too busy.

01:04:43   It's too busy and we're all busy.

01:04:46   I would love to get that for this, but I don't know if I can because I don't get notifications

01:04:51   for it.

01:04:52   So interesting.

01:04:53   But yeah, I really like the summaries of the conversations.

01:05:00   I think it's a really cool feature that works so far pretty well, like about as well as

01:05:05   I would imagine.

01:05:06   Well, that explains why I haven't seen any of this because I really have my noisiest

01:05:11   group chats pinned as it is.

01:05:13   So I haven't really in the last 24 hours, I haven't had any non pinned ones where they

01:05:17   were like, you know, half a dozen messages or whatever.

01:05:20   Yeah.

01:05:21   See, this is the benefit of me setting this up on a device that I don't use all the time.

01:05:27   Like it's not on my iPhone.

01:05:28   So like I haven't muted all of those notifications, all those messages, threads.

01:05:33   So like I'm getting the things for them.

01:05:36   So yeah, it's a very interesting feature.

01:05:40   And I think will be super useful for people that have a lot of message conversations going

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01:07:22   It's uh, it's Performa Month.

01:07:24   Y'all excited?

01:07:26   Performa Month.

01:07:27   Performa Month.

01:07:28   I didn't know that was a thing.

01:07:32   Performa Month.

01:07:33   What is now John?

01:07:34   Are you celebrating?

01:07:36   Can you feel it?

01:07:37   I am.

01:07:38   You require it.

01:07:39   I do require it.

01:07:41   Look, when chat GPT first came out, I did this thing.

01:07:50   I asked it a bunch of things about the Performa and it didn't know.

01:07:54   And so I'm writing a series of blog posts to train AI models to answer Performa questions

01:07:59   better for the people that come after us.

01:08:02   Is this genuinely the reason you're doing this?

01:08:04   No, doing it because it's a really good idea that no one told me I shouldn't do.

01:08:09   That's not true either.

01:08:10   Jason Snell begged me not to do it.

01:08:12   But really here we are.

01:08:14   So you may be asking, what is Performa Month?

01:08:17   I'm intrigued.

01:08:18   What is Performa Month?

01:08:19   Well, in the month of August.

01:08:21   How would we celebrate?

01:08:23   How do you celebrate?

01:08:24   You celebrate by reading a series of blog posts.

01:08:27   The most exciting way to celebrate.

01:08:29   Really the way that our founding fathers wanted us to celebrate as a nation is to read blog

01:08:35   posts via open RSS feeds.

01:08:37   And as long as there's a drinking game involved with it too, I'd be okay.

01:08:41   Drink every time I write the word Performa in August and you will be dead because in

01:08:47   five years from 92 to 97, Apple shipped over 40 models with the Performa badge and no one

01:08:54   knows anything about them except that they were bad.

01:08:57   And so I wanted to help the people because I'm a man of the people.

01:09:03   And I've got a series of blog posts coming out in August covering every single one of

01:09:08   those models and their history and where they came from and why they were bad.

01:09:12   Wow.

01:09:13   Wow.

01:09:14   You have 40 machines in 31 days.

01:09:19   It's about 13.

01:09:20   Who are you doubling up?

01:09:22   Well, it's about 13 or 14 blog posts and I'm about halfway through writing them.

01:09:28   I've been working on this for a while in the background.

01:09:31   This explains some of the weird stuff you've dropped into our group chat.

01:09:35   And if you've been reading 512, I've been like, there were several things like while

01:09:38   researching another project, this is the other project.

01:09:42   So I've been deep in the Apple history archives in dev and think and online because when you're

01:09:48   covering stuff from the 90s is actually really hard to find sources and you really got to

01:09:53   kind of like dig deep and things very often don't agree with each other.

01:09:57   In fact, I wrote a post yesterday that you'll see in a couple of weeks and sources just

01:10:03   don't agree on how much the thing cost.

01:10:05   And so I just wrote I don't know how much this cost because sources disagree.

01:10:10   But it the performance often pointed to is like everything wrong with Apple in the 90s.

01:10:15   And the line itself right there.

01:10:20   There's no unique computers in the performer line.

01:10:22   What the performer was, was rebadged other Mac models stuffed to the gills with bloatware

01:10:30   and then sold at a discount through big box retailers.

01:10:33   And for a lot of people, it was their first way into the Mac.

01:10:37   So in some ways it did work right.

01:10:39   Apple wanted to reach more families with the Macintosh and this was the way they did it

01:10:45   to bring prices down.

01:10:46   They stuffed it full of software no one wanted or needed.

01:10:49   And it wasn't unsuccessful, but it was probably misguided.

01:10:55   And as we get into this August unfold, you will see that Apple really didn't have a plan

01:11:03   going into this.

01:11:05   They basically would just like stroll through their own catalog of Macs and pick something

01:11:12   and see what partners would be willing to put their software on it at a discount.

01:11:17   And then they would sell it to Sears or to Montgomery Ward or whoever.

01:11:22   And it's very confusing and there's so many models because they would release like the

01:11:28   465 and the 467 or whatever like those are the same computer but different size hard

01:11:35   drives so they got different model names which is not how anything should work.

01:11:39   This has been built to order but it spawned a bunch of product names and a bunch of products

01:11:44   that didn't really make sense.

01:11:46   And it's been fun but also kind of frustrating in places trying to untangle it all for everybody.

01:11:52   But that's what's up.

01:11:53   That's what 512 pixels is going to be about in August.

01:11:55   It's going to be all about the performer.

01:11:58   This is a joke just for John but maybe like Mac performers is basically like the Ioneo.

01:12:04   They just had another one going on sale a couple of days ago.

01:12:12   Of course they did.

01:12:13   You can set your watch to that thing.

01:12:15   Oh yeah for sure.

01:12:17   Stephen give me an example of bloatware on the performer.

01:12:20   Okay so the Performa 560 had Clarisworks 2.0, Mac link plus translators, Quicken 4.0, Mac

01:12:30   and tax 1040, Wealth Builder 3.0, Personal Recordkeeper 3.0, Willmaker 4.0, After Dark

01:12:36   Starter Edition, Datebook Pro, Touch Base Pro, Apple Heritage Dictionary 3rd edition,

01:12:43   Apple Edition of America Online, Groyler's Encyclopedia, Time Almanac of 1993, Monopoly,

01:12:51   the World Tour Gold Edition.

01:12:54   Those were all pre-installed on your hard drive.

01:12:58   And then you got on CD another encyclopedia or the Encyclopedia of the Almanac and Monopoly

01:13:06   World Tour were all on on those CD-ROMs.

01:13:10   So a bunch of software on the disk, a bunch of stuff on CDs.

01:13:15   Not all performers came with CDs, CD drives so it varied obviously.

01:13:21   But yeah it's a real situation.

01:13:25   I don't understand why somebody would need an app to make their will.

01:13:30   Like how often are you doing it?

01:13:33   A lawyer might be a better choice.

01:13:35   Well I mean now you just ask Apple intelligence to do it.

01:13:40   Yes of course.

01:13:42   Wow.

01:13:43   See that's a little joke about AI taking people's jobs.

01:13:48   No it's good, it's good.

01:13:51   When Stephen told me he was doing this I said to him that seems like a lot of work.

01:13:55   I respect the commitment and if it makes you happy you should do it.

01:13:58   That was my response and I messaged him and he told me he wanted to do this.

01:14:02   It does seem like a lot of work.

01:14:05   What did you say about performers that they were, what did you say misguided and what

01:14:11   was it that you said?

01:14:12   The performer?

01:14:13   I mean to a degree it did its job of like getting people their first max but it was

01:14:20   a pretty weird way of doing it.

01:14:25   And Apple, what they should have done and what they did when Jobs came back and got

01:14:29   rid of all this mess was just make a really good consumer Mac.

01:14:33   But they weren't able to do that back then and so they got a bunch of quadras and LCs

01:14:40   and other machines and just literally just put a different name on them and sold them

01:14:44   through a different channel.

01:14:46   Do you think that this could end up in a scenario where you buy all of these?

01:14:53   This was the path of the IMAX.

01:14:55   It's true.

01:14:56   I did buy one because I wanted a photo of something really specific but I've only bought

01:15:02   one computer so far and I'm like halfway through writing these.

01:15:05   So far so good.

01:15:06   At least you said so far.

01:15:08   You didn't say I've only bought one or I'll only buy one.

01:15:11   You said so far so you know yourself.

01:15:14   There was one, it's actually the Performa 200 so that article comes out on the first.

01:15:21   That one I really wanted a photo because that article is about like no these really were

01:15:26   just other Mac models with new names and a bunch of bloatware.

01:15:30   And so that one I wanted a photo of its actual counterpart but you never know what late night

01:15:37   eBay Steven may get into.

01:15:40   Do you have a saved search for performers?

01:15:43   No because it would be a lot of results.

01:15:47   Really?

01:15:48   Yeah, I mean I don't imagine you'll actually buy a lot of Performas.

01:15:54   Maybe I'll be proven wrong but at least with the IMAX it was a much more limited set of

01:15:59   computers and they were actually nicely designed.

01:16:02   A lot of these are just beige boxes basically right?

01:16:06   Yeah, not a lot of inspired design work.

01:16:08   In fact the 500 series, that article comes out on the seventh is basically all about

01:16:15   the design of the computer and the design is not good.

01:16:20   Yeah this is a sad eBay search.

01:16:23   Yeah.

01:16:24   It's full of very uninspiring imagery.

01:16:28   Dirty beige computers.

01:16:29   Yeah basically and they all look essentially the same.

01:16:33   I did find a remote control with an Apple logo on it from a 1995 Macintosh LC 630 performer

01:16:40   for 15 pounds.

01:16:41   Oh good.

01:16:42   That's definitely not the name of the computer LC whatever you said 630 performer.

01:16:46   Someone's doing some clickbait in their eBay search.

01:16:49   But it's just like this weird bit of Apple history that I have not explored.

01:16:55   I have not done much work in the 92 to 97 era.

01:16:59   A lot of work including like 20 max right?

01:17:02   Most of that stuff is in the Jobs 2.0 era or the very beginning right?

01:17:06   These like middle years of just slog coming out of Apple is such a nightmare.

01:17:13   So part of it was a challenge like you know what I haven't spent much time here and there's

01:17:18   not a lot out there about these machines and it seemed like an opportunity to do something

01:17:23   that probably for good reason no one else has done.

01:17:27   So here we are.

01:17:28   Yeah it seems like a real research challenge for sure given the time frame.

01:17:33   Guess the price of an Apple Macintosh LC performer Quadra hard disk drive SCSI data cable on

01:17:40   eBay.

01:17:41   What are they actually selling a cable?

01:17:44   Yeah it's a SCSI data cable for a hard disk drive.

01:17:48   It should be like $8 but they're probably asking $100.

01:17:52   Okay John do you want to guess?

01:17:56   $40.

01:17:57   $1707.

01:17:58   Jeez.

01:17:59   This is from John's vintage computer items.

01:18:04   John is this you?

01:18:05   No it's not me.

01:18:06   Is this you John?

01:18:07   No one.

01:18:08   I put a link to it in the Discord.

01:18:09   No one should buy that.

01:18:11   That's ridiculous.

01:18:12   It's just a data cable for a performer.

01:18:14   Oh boy.

01:18:15   So yeah performer month.

01:18:19   Get psyched.

01:18:20   Get hyped.

01:18:21   That's right.

01:18:22   Let's go.

01:18:23   Beige max all month.

01:18:24   Beige max all month.

01:18:27   Beige let's go Beige.

01:18:29   Let's go Beige.

01:18:31   Let's go Beige.

01:18:32   Steven no one has a commitment like you.

01:18:35   You know?

01:18:36   Something like that.

01:18:37   Because you must know you must know this isn't going to be the most popular thing you've

01:18:41   done right?

01:18:42   No.

01:18:43   And probably like effort to clicks might be.

01:18:47   It's going to be bad.

01:18:49   Real bad.

01:18:50   I respect you and your commitment you know for feeding the LLM.

01:18:55   It goes back to the conversation we had.

01:18:57   I mean sometimes it's the things that you care about most that get the fewest views.

01:19:02   I've been there a million times.

01:19:05   And look if you're out there and you want to sponsor this madness get in touch because

01:19:09   I ain't making any money on this.

01:19:12   I'll sponsor it.

01:19:13   How much?

01:19:14   Okay we'll talk offline.

01:19:17   Just a picture of me.

01:19:18   Oh just literally there's a picture of you on the page?

01:19:21   Yeah yeah Mike is sponsoring this.

01:19:23   Not any of my business endeavors just me.

01:19:26   We'll see.

01:19:27   Come up with something.

01:19:30   We should sponsor it for Federico's birthday.

01:19:34   We should.

01:19:35   This is brought to you by Federico.

01:19:38   You can do more real work on a performer than any of the iPads that he uses.

01:19:43   I mean with all that software you know good luck making a will on an iPad.

01:19:47   You can't do real legal work on a tablet.

01:19:49   Come on.

01:19:50   Great point.

01:19:51   Great point.

01:19:52   I think that does it for this week.

01:19:54   If you want to find links to things we spoke about especially performer month because my

01:19:58   gosh why would you not want to know about performer month check out the links there

01:20:03   in the show notes there on the web at relay.fm/connected/512.

01:20:10   What a good episode number.

01:20:13   Yeah we got pretty far into it about making lots of references to that.

01:20:16   I know it's good.

01:20:17   Although the header in Notion is a dock out this week which is fun.

01:20:20   Yep.

01:20:21   Yeah.

01:20:22   It's good.

01:20:23   John thank you for joining us again.

01:20:25   Where can people find you?

01:20:26   You can find me over at maxstories.net where I'm writing and doing a bunch of other podcasts.

01:20:32   Listen to MPC is so good.

01:20:36   Thank you.

01:20:37   Thank you.

01:20:38   That's our portable handheld gaming podcast with Brendan Bigley, me and Federico.

01:20:43   Yeah that's.

01:20:44   I'm not into gaming but it seems like a good time.

01:20:52   I'm not into performers but seems like good blog posts.

01:20:55   Exactly.

01:20:56   Exactly.

01:20:57   We all have these things.

01:21:01   Thank you John for joining us once again.

01:21:02   It's always a pleasure to have you.

01:21:04   Thanks for having me.

01:21:05   If you want to find Mike his work is scattered across the relay universe.

01:21:09   A bunch of shows and he does a bunch of awesome work over at Cortex brand.

01:21:14   You can find Mike on social media as imyke.

01:21:19   You can find me at 512pixels.net home of performer month.

01:21:29   The best time of the year.

01:21:31   Steven aren't you afraid that this is going to overshadow the St. Jude campaign?

01:21:36   That's why this is in August and that's in September.

01:21:39   Yeah but it starts August 28th.

01:21:41   I know.

01:21:42   His last couple of days.

01:21:43   They're not going to raise a cent.

01:21:46   The culmination of performer month.

01:21:48   Let me tell you that past Steven has already thought about that and I have a solution to

01:21:53   this.

01:21:54   Oh my god.

01:21:55   You're going to destroy a performer.

01:21:57   John I will never do that.

01:21:59   Okay.

01:22:00   Take that back.

01:22:01   He might.

01:22:02   I'm not.

01:22:03   What sort of monster.

01:22:04   I actually already have the PCs plural we're going to smash this year for the podcastathon.

01:22:10   If you smashed a performer you might be able to find some $1,700 cables that you could

01:22:15   sell.

01:22:16   Maybe.

01:22:17   It's like a real good pinata.

01:22:19   What a pirate that person is.

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01:22:51   Say goodbye.

01:22:52   Ciao guys.

01:22:53   I did it again.

01:22:54   I did it again.

01:22:55   You guys wait too long.

01:22:56   I did it again.

01:22:57   Bye y'all.

01:22:58   I did it again.

01:23:04   [laughter]

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