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00:00:00 ◼   ► Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 539. Today is February 12th, and this episode

00:00:15 ◼   ► is made possible by our sponsors, Ecamm, Google Gemini, and NetSuite. My name is Stephen Hackett,

00:00:21 ◼   ► and I have the pleasure of being joined by our keynote chairman, Mr. Mike Hurley.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, it's me, continuing on from the Connected Pro show to give follow-up for that. People are not

00:00:32 ◼   ► going to understand why I'm saying this, which I think is part of the fun. Crossy Road is still

00:00:36 ◼   ► happening. They're updating it regularly. This is a game that is just continuing forever. Imagine that.

00:00:41 ◼   ► I know about games. Come on. I'm a gamer.

00:00:44 ◼   ► And I have the pleasure of introducing annual chairman, my chairman friend, Federico Vatici.

00:00:50 ◼   ► Hello, fellow chairman.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Hello, fellow chairman.

00:00:53 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen. Yes.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Hello. I'm going to ask for a new title later on in the episode. Be prepared.

00:01:01 ◼   ► Be prepared.

00:01:02 ◼   ► You're not going to get it. I want the best follow-up of all time. A selection of multiple

00:01:06 ◼   ► listeners wrote in, but Marco was first. Marco says, hi, Marco from Italy here. I listen to

00:01:13 ◼   ► the show every week and love it. Thank you, Marco.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Thank you, Marco.

00:01:16 ◼   ► In last episode, you mentioned WhatsApp not retaining the unread badge when you open the app.

00:01:21 ◼   ► They recently changed this. You have to go into WhatsApp settings, notifications, scroll down

00:01:26 ◼   ► to untoggle the, quote, clear badge option. Hope this helps. Marco has made my life better.

00:01:33 ◼   ► Thank you, Marco. This was an excellent tip. I had no idea this existed.

00:01:39 ◼   ► Yeah. It's recent. This is recent because I checked it like a few months ago. Like I was trying to dig

00:01:45 ◼   ► through this and like ended up like I was on that website that we spoke about a long time ago,

00:01:51 ◼   ► the WhatsApp releases website. Do you remember that? I ended up finding myself back there. There is an

00:01:55 ◼   ► episode of this show that is named after a WhatsApp update release. And it was from this website,

00:02:03 ◼   ► it's like WhatsApp release. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I ended up going back to that website a few

00:02:10 ◼   ► months ago trying to find if they had done this and no, they hadn't. But yes, now they have, which is

00:02:14 ◼   ► incredible. And yeah, I just want to talk about WhatsApp for a minute or two. Please. I'm using

00:02:20 ◼   ► WhatsApp a lot more just as I'm kind of making more acquaintances with people here. Right. So like

00:02:28 ◼   ► going to parent and classes and stuff, everybody sets up WhatsApp messages and WhatsApp groups and

00:02:32 ◼   ► stuff. It's kind of no way around it. You know, like like in Europe and like in India, like WhatsApp

00:02:38 ◼   ► is just is prevalent. Like it is at what is what everybody uses to communicate. I am the weird one

00:02:45 ◼   ► who wants to talk over iMessage. And I've been able to maintain a few groups in iMessage, but I am

00:02:51 ◼   ► considered like to be weird because of it. Because everybody just talks over WhatsApp.

00:02:57 ◼   ► And for group messages, WhatsApp is incredible. Like the way that that group can be created and

00:03:05 ◼   ► people just create groups for everything. It is so, so much better than than iMessage and

00:03:12 ◼   ► in ways that sound weird on the face of it, but make a lot of sense. Like, for example, you

00:03:17 ◼   ► know, I mean, we were put in a big group in one of the like the parenting classes that I'm in

00:03:23 ◼   ► of like everyone's in it. And then there was a group set up for just like the like the parenting

00:03:30 ◼   ► partners. And we don't we haven't exchanged phone numbers, but because we're in an existing group

00:03:36 ◼   ► together, they can set up a new group, which makes so much sense, like logistically. And people will

00:03:42 ◼   ► be like, oh, but you haven't had some kind of key exchange of phone numbers or whatever you'd say.

00:03:47 ◼   ► But like for the for the realistic world of dealing with group messages in these kinds of scenarios, it

00:03:52 ◼   ► just makes everything so easy. Federico probably has more thoughts on WhatsApp than I do. But it the

00:03:58 ◼   ► more I am using it and the more I am able to get over just how much I hate the UI from a like

00:04:05 ◼   ► functional perspective. It is an incredibly good messaging application.

00:04:10 ◼   ► I think from a functional perspective is incredible. I don't know what it is that gives you the maybe I

00:04:17 ◼   ► don't know if it's an illusion of speed or if it's actually faster than iMessage. They're using

00:04:23 ◼   ► different protocols. I don't want to get into that. But the thing is like one big thing that works

00:04:29 ◼   ► excellent, like it works so well in WhatsApp for me and it doesn't in iMessage. And it doesn't because

00:04:36 ◼   ► it shows a cultural divide, I think, between the engineers that design and work on messages versus

00:04:43 ◼   ► the people who work on WhatsApp is audio messages, voice messages, how they work in WhatsApp versus how they

00:04:52 ◼   ► work in iMessage. The design, the interaction of voice messages in iMessage has always been nonsensical

00:04:59 ◼   ► to me. And I think how they work in WhatsApp and how they were able to essentially define a new way of

00:05:11 ◼   ► communication that I believe only exists in this capacity and popularity in Europe is incredible.

00:05:18 ◼   ► like being able, like I send on a regular basis, voice messages that are like one minute, two minutes,

00:05:25 ◼   ► three, five minutes long. And the fact, and other people do the same with me.

00:05:30 ◼   ► This way, this type of like asynchronous, but still voice-based communication

00:05:36 ◼   ► can only happen in WhatsApp because of the design that they have, that these voice messages have.

00:05:43 ◼   ► And the fact that you can now listen to these voice messages sped up, which I do at 2x all the time,

00:05:50 ◼   ► has been an excellent addition to WhatsApp. And so yeah, maybe, you know, there's parts of WhatsApp

00:05:58 ◼   ► that I don't like UI-wise, but the functionality and the way that they ultimately allow people to

00:06:08 ◼   ► communicate more and more easily, right here in Italy, like anything happens on WhatsApp, like

00:06:14 ◼   ► stores, you can contact them on WhatsApp. My barber, I can, I can, I can, you know, I can make an

00:06:23 ◼   ► appointment on WhatsApp. Um, my, my doctor, my, my, my veterinarian for dogs, like anything,

00:06:32 ◼   ► I can do anything on WhatsApp. And so, um, is it like UI-wise better than messages? No.

00:06:40 ◼   ► Although I will say that I don't love the new app picker UI for messages, but that's a different

00:06:46 ◼   ► conversation, but it's fast. The voice interaction is so much better than iMessage. The integration with

00:06:54 ◼   ► voice and video calling is great. And yeah, it works.

00:07:01 ◼   ► How, uh, you're going to have to help me with this. Is it possible to use WhatsApp on other devices?

00:07:09 ◼   ► Like, can I use it on the Mac and use it on my iPad?

00:07:12 ◼   ► You, uh, this functionality is called the linked devices. In fact, you can, you can even do it on

00:07:18 ◼   ► an Android device. You just link it to your iPhone. And so as long as you log into WhatsApp on your

00:07:24 ◼   ► iPhone every two weeks, everything is going to stay connected and linked devices, use WhatsApp on

00:07:30 ◼   ► other devices. Oh, okay. And I guess they have clients for the Mac.

00:07:34 ◼   ► They just, they just don't have a client for the iPad at this point.

00:07:37 ◼   ► Obviously. I mean, it's meta. I mean, it's meta. It's meta. Come on. What are you talking about?

00:07:41 ◼   ► But I guess you can use it on the web, right?

00:07:44 ◼   ► You can use it on the web. Uh, you can use it on a, on a Mac. They have a desktop, uh, version on the

00:07:49 ◼   ► Mac, obviously on Android, iPhone. Yeah. That's a window. I don't know if they have a windows app

00:07:55 ◼   ► that I don't know. Uh, I don't know if I want to do this, but I'm just, I'm just intrigued because

00:08:01 ◼   ► I can see it is going to become a pretty big part of my life from now. Like just because of the way

00:08:09 ◼   ► in which my life is changing. Yeah. Uh, being able, being able to archive, um, uh, messages

00:08:16 ◼   ► into an archive section and, and still retain the ability to go in there easily and see, like, for

00:08:23 ◼   ► example, uh, you know, so many, uh, like, like the, the, the group chat of the condo where I live,

00:08:30 ◼   ► I, I archived it, but if I want to, I can go in there and see what people say. Uh, so yeah, there's,

00:08:36 ◼   ► there's tons of like different aspects that I don't know. And maybe it's just a European thing,

00:08:42 ◼   ► you know, because every time I talk about it, I get the messages from America, from people in America

00:08:46 ◼   ► being like, ah, I don't understand why you send voice messages. And cool. Like, you know, they're

00:08:51 ◼   ► popular here. I think it is a thing where people that use the app support it well, because like

00:08:58 ◼   ► people do it here too. Right. Like I see people sending voice messages to each other all the time,

00:09:04 ◼   ► like long backwards and forward one, uh, because it's just a thing that they do. Um,

00:09:08 ◼   ► WhatsApp is fascinating. I think really is just this, it's, it's an example of the kind of thing

00:09:14 ◼   ► where it's like, if you do one thing, you just really good at it. And like I message can't be as

00:09:22 ◼   ► good as WhatsApp because the company has many priorities, but like, even though WhatsApp is owned

00:09:28 ◼   ► by meta, they do seem semi-independent at least. I mean, I don't know, but it feels like they are

00:09:35 ◼   ► just very focused on that. They just have a lot of focus on making that app the best that it can be.

00:09:39 ◼   ► And maybe I message serves other masters. I don't know. I don't know how it works.

00:09:46 ◼   ► Mike, you're not alone. Curtis wrote in, I applaud Mike's choice of a read it later solution. I also

00:09:55 ◼   ► use Apple notes with a save for later folder containing several notes. So they have website

00:10:01 ◼   ► ideas, saved links, writing ideas, and clothing links. Uh, I guess Curtis is a big shopper.

00:10:07 ◼   ► My action button runs a shortcut to quickly add each text each week I review and clean out unneeded

00:10:14 ◼   ► links. It's simple, effective, and requires no extra apps or logins. See, this is the way,

00:10:21 ◼   ► like it's safe to say that I'm a visionary about, about reading later. You should have seen all the

00:10:29 ◼   ► listeners coming out of the woodwork, at least two of them saying that I was right in the way that I do

00:10:34 ◼   ► with my read it later. So at least a revolution, starting a revolution. I'm, it may have been more,

00:10:39 ◼   ► it could have been a million. I just maybe haven't been checking, but like, I have no doubt that they're

00:10:43 ◼   ► out there. Like people who agree with me. Have you two been, uh, chipping away at your read it late

00:10:48 ◼   ► cues this week? You've been reading some of the things that were later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:52 ◼   ► Has it been going well? You're really happy? Um, I'm satisfied. I wouldn't say I'm really happy,

00:10:58 ◼   ► but yeah, you've been reading things. You've been reading things.

00:11:03 ◼   ► Yes. Okay. You think that is odd? I just don't believe that anyone actually reads their later

00:11:09 ◼   ► cue. You, you don't. Okay. All right. I just don't think, I don't think it happens. I think

00:11:14 ◼   ► it's, uh, you think it's, uh, like this, this, this mass conspiracy against the non-readers to

00:11:21 ◼   ► make them feel bad. Okay. Exactly. They're like, ah, my, my cue is long and I read all of it.

00:11:26 ◼   ► You know, like that's, that's what you read is. You readers. You readers. Okay. Us non-readers.

00:11:33 ◼   ► I find it, I find it funny because you actually, you actually record a podcast with the one person

00:11:39 ◼   ► who among us reads the most. And that would be Jason Snell. Um, Jason reads now. He doesn't read

00:11:46 ◼   ► later. Okay. So you think, you know, Jason is a reading now. You think at any given moment,

00:11:51 ◼   ► Jason is reading probably. Okay. He's reading right now. He's in the chat. He's reading. He's

00:11:56 ◼   ► reading and listening. I just, I believe Jason is a read it now and not a read it later. You know?

00:12:02 ◼   ► Okay. Sounds like a tagline for an app. That's not going to get any VC funding. It's like,

00:12:09 ◼   ► don't read it later. Read it now. No, I'll say it's, I'll say it's a power by AI.

00:12:13 ◼   ► Like you don't need to read things later because the AI reads it for you and just tells you now.

00:12:18 ◼   ► I think literally Federico and I've had a sponsor on our blogs that has something similar to that.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Oh, seriously? Incredible. Or like a podcast or something. I forget.

00:12:27 ◼   ► Please let me know. Please let me know. Okay.

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00:14:31 ◼   ► It's been a while since a topic has generated as much feedback as Apple invites.

00:14:41 ◼   ► A lot of people agree with us. A lot of people think we're idiots for our takes on it. I don't even

00:14:49 ◼   ► know what our takes are on it. We just talked about it. I just want to jump in right now on that exact

00:14:52 ◼   ► point. Oh boy. Here we go. Here we go. He's going off. If you ever start your feedback with,

00:14:58 ◼   ► I can't believe, right? Like you're like, I can't believe you didn't mention.

00:15:04 ◼   ► Just take a breath. Understand that we maybe don't live the same life as you. That like the people

00:15:11 ◼   ► saying, I can't believe you didn't mention Partiful. Do you think I'm using it and just decide not to

00:15:17 ◼   ► mention it? Is that what's going on here? Like the I am a frequent receiver and sender of Partiful

00:15:22 ◼   ► free online party invites. You know what I mean? Just like assume that maybe we're different and like,

00:15:28 ◼   ► just be like, Hey guys, did you not, have you heard about this application before? That's a nice,

00:15:32 ◼   ► I can't believe you didn't mention Partiful during this conversation. So we neglected it. We're,

00:15:39 ◼   ► we're also a part of the conspiracy. So there is an app called Partiful that does a lot of these types

00:15:45 ◼   ► of things. And I've seen people since, and I was listening to the Waveform podcast and they were

00:15:50 ◼   ► talking about it. They're obviously young, cool, hip people who receive Partiful invites. And it seems like

00:15:57 ◼   ► it's very much similar in functionality, like really very, quite similar.

00:16:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:02 ◼   ► Basically a hundred percent similar, uh, but works cross platform and that, that like with an app

00:16:10 ◼   ► cross platform. Uh, and so, you know, I can imagine people that are using Partiful, they're probably not

00:16:16 ◼   ► gonna, gonna switch.

00:16:17 ◼   ► Yeah. So I downloaded it and it has very much like Apple invites. And it's one of those things. Apple's

00:16:24 ◼   ► definitely aware of this app because it was a finalist for, uh, in the app store awards in 2024

00:16:31 ◼   ► and best app of 2024 and Google play. This thing has blown up. A lot of feedback.

00:16:36 ◼   ► It's gotta suck, right? Like that kind of thing has got to suck so bad. Like Sherlocking in general

00:16:41 ◼   ► is a shame, but like, you know, you see a lot of people say they're Sherlocked and it's like,

00:16:44 ◼   ► Apple doesn't like, you know, like you're maybe do, do they even know who you are? But like when

00:16:49 ◼   ► they've awarded you or like nominated you for best app and then like a year later or something like,

00:16:54 ◼   ► Hey, here's our version. It's like, Oh, this gotta hurt.

00:16:58 ◼   ► Yeah, probably. Uh, but yeah, it looks, it looks great. A lot of the feedback with people actually

00:17:03 ◼   ► in New York city. Um, like none of us live in New York city, but it has a lot of, like when you fill

00:17:09 ◼   ► out the details, it has spaces for like, here's the door code to get in or like, you know, lots of

00:17:15 ◼   ► like detail that, uh, I think is, is pretty nice. I can see why people like this. Like I can see why

00:17:20 ◼   ► it's popular. The three of us did not come across it. Um, but I, I get it. And yeah, Apple's app looks

00:17:27 ◼   ► pretty similar in a lot of ways, which is, uh, which is always uncomfortable. Uh, but this is cool.

00:17:33 ◼   ► And it's cross-platform, uh, which is nice too.

00:17:38 ◼   ► Other folks wrote in excited about invites, including Nicole, who wrote as someone who has

00:17:42 ◼   ► to deal with Evite and Eventbrite invitations regularly for work, I can say a non-spammy

00:17:48 ◼   ► alternative would be amazing. And I think I tried touching on this, but didn't quite get there last

00:17:54 ◼   ► week. A lot of the things that are out there that are web-based are like full of ads or you never get

00:17:59 ◼   ► off their email list. Uh, Eventbrite is pretty bad about that. There's also another one called Meetup,

00:18:05 ◼   ► which is popular in some like more nerdy circles. And like, once they have your email,

00:18:10 ◼   ► like you're just in the, in their list forever. And, uh, you know, hopefully Apple's not going to do

00:18:16 ◼   ► that. So, uh, it's good to have an alternative again. Like I think all three of us have our doubts

00:18:21 ◼   ► about how widespread this app could be, but if it meets your needs, that's awesome. And it is cool.

00:18:28 ◼   ► It is a cool example of Apple pulling its ecosystem together. Uh, Mike, you and Jason spoke about this

00:18:35 ◼   ► on upgrade on Monday and y'all had a piece of feedback that was like, it was so smart. I wish

00:18:39 ◼   ► I had thought of it. It was like, it's like a WWDC demo app, but like finished. It's like, yeah,

00:18:46 ◼   ► it is, it pulls all these things together in interesting ways. And so, uh, yeah, Apple invites,

00:18:51 ◼   ► it's, uh, it's a thing still. It's made it a week. It's made it a week. Oh, okay.

00:18:58 ◼   ► It is one fifth, uh, music memos now. So keep a, keep an eye on it. Yeah.

00:19:05 ◼   ► I wish I had the energy to have more thoughts about this, but I really don't.

00:19:10 ◼   ► It, it, this is just one of these things where it looks interesting and I'm happy for the people

00:19:17 ◼   ► that want to use it and are going to use it. I just don't imagine it having a long life,

00:19:26 ◼   ► but I'll be happy to prove them wrong. And this is just based on existing things of

00:19:32 ◼   ► like, or maybe it just exists forever, but like not much changes with it. Like it's just

00:19:38 ◼   ► out there. Um, but I guess we'll see. So Steven has what I'm calling a little bloggy.

00:19:46 ◼   ► What's a little bloggy, little bloggy. Do you remember a little widget? Okay. It's a little

00:19:52 ◼   ► bloggy. Uh, and it's based on what you're calling it and now page, which is something

00:19:58 ◼   ► that David Sparks has done. I don't know if this was David Sparks's invention.

00:20:02 ◼   ► No, not even close.

00:20:04 ◼   ► So, okay. So this is something that lots of people were copying from each other.

00:20:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:08 ◼   ► Kind of like in the, back in the days when everybody called their about page, their colophon.

00:20:12 ◼   ► Oh, Steven still does that. Okay.

00:20:14 ◼   ► So I actually just changed it back. That said about, and part of the rearranging was, uh,

00:20:20 ◼   ► updating the navigation and I didn't want an about page and an about menu. And so

00:20:25 ◼   ► colophon returns. What is even is that word?

00:20:29 ◼   ► Fancy word for about.

00:20:31 ◼   ► I feel like it's one of these things that like was on daring fireball and then everybody did it.

00:20:35 ◼   ► And now Steven's back to colophon again. So I do instantly regret my making fun of because

00:20:40 ◼   ► I am now immediately making fun of Steven. So I'm just going to continue pushing forward through this

00:20:45 ◼   ► one. Uh, the now page is, what is this? This is like a little blog, a little social media.

00:20:51 ◼   ► Like what is this? A little bloggy. I think you said, I like it. Yeah, I like it, but I want you

00:20:55 ◼   ► to explain to me what it is and why you're doing it. Cause there's not much to talk about this week.

00:20:59 ◼   ► So I need you to tell me. Yeah. So we had a whole section of the show set aside for a new iPhone SE

00:21:06 ◼   ► that just didn't come out shoving things in here. Uh, yeah. I didn't mean to like put fun of sparks.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Like he's the one who urged me to do it. Lots of people, lots of people have this. Um, it's just

00:21:20 ◼   ► kind of a place to like, just rattle off some thoughts about like what's kind of currently going

00:21:25 ◼   ► on. Uh, for me, uh, not, I, I don't even want to say it, but like it dovetails with like a break

00:21:32 ◼   ► from social media that I'm taking mostly taking, uh, why don't we talk about that? We have time

00:21:38 ◼   ► maybe in a minute. Uh, and so, but like some of these things, so I've struggled with this over

00:21:45 ◼   ► the years and I think you can see it or maybe I can see it. Maybe readers can't. We're like,

00:21:50 ◼   ► I kind of swing over time of like what goes in the feed on five 12. Like I had a post the other day

00:21:58 ◼   ► that was just a screenshot of like an ad for logic inside of logic. And I was just mad about it. Like

00:22:04 ◼   ► that would have been a social media post, but I've made it a blog post instead. And then there

00:22:08 ◼   ► have been other times you're like, no, I'm only posting longer things. I'm all over the place.

00:22:12 ◼   ► This sort of stuff, like, I think it's kind of fun to share, but it's definitely not a blog post,

00:22:18 ◼   ► right? Like, um, at least most of them aren't. And I wanted a place for them that could kind of just

00:22:25 ◼   ► like live on the site and be updated. Uh, my plan is updated every couple of weeks. I have a recurring

00:22:30 ◼   ► task to do so. And I have a revision history set up on GitHub. You can go look through if you're

00:22:34 ◼   ► really just obsessed with this idea. Um, and yeah, so just kind of a, like a running log of things going

00:22:41 ◼   ► on. Um, and it was kind of fun to put together. So here's my question for you. You write things for

00:22:51 ◼   ► people to read. How will they know to go read this?

00:22:54 ◼   ► Well, I, I mean, that is kind of a problem with this cause it's not in the feed. Like I've made a

00:23:02 ◼   ► blog post that's in the feed. It's like, Hey, I'm doing this and I may relink to it every once in a

00:23:07 ◼   ► while. It's also in the navigation. And you know, it's kind of like, if you want to see this, it's

00:23:11 ◼   ► there, but if you don't care, that's fine too. Like because 512 pixels isn't strictly a personal

00:23:18 ◼   ► blog, I'm okay with it kind of being off the beaten path a little bit. Okay. Interesting. It reminds me

00:23:27 ◼   ► of like a little bit like the setups page. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to see that. Yeah. Yeah. And I,

00:23:32 ◼   ► you know, I have a gear page too. That's kind of the same thing. It's like, if someone asks me about

00:23:37 ◼   ► like, what are you using? I can just send them that URL, which I think is the same thing, same reason

00:23:41 ◼   ► the Mac stories guys are doing it. And so, uh, yeah, it's kind of like a fun, like little side

00:23:46 ◼   ► project. Now I like this idea of a separate pages on a blog with a more like sort of like static

00:23:53 ◼   ► approach to like, here's a, here's a, here's like a screenshot of this moment in time about like what I

00:23:59 ◼   ► do or what I use or whatever it is. I, I wish there was, I wish there was a, a better way. And maybe it's

00:24:07 ◼   ► I believe we're both using WordPress. Um, maybe, maybe there's a better way to do this that we're not

00:24:14 ◼   ► doing, but like, uh, you know, some kind of way to advertise updates to the, to these pages more

00:24:23 ◼   ► natively on our homepage in a way that is not us manually going in there and creating a new linked

00:24:31 ◼   ► post, which is what we do when we update the setups page. Yeah. We might, we manually blog about it.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Yeah. Right. Just an idea, but maybe this is like something that theoretically at some point,

00:24:43 ◼   ► something like activity pub could help. Yes. Have you heard of the federated bus?

00:24:48 ◼   ► I was like, I think that's what you're looking for.

00:24:52 ◼   ► Have you heard a good word of the fatty verse? Yes. Maybe, but this is the sort of thing where

00:24:57 ◼   ► actually the fatty verse could be useful. Like, uh, I don't know. I don't know. Something we're

00:25:02 ◼   ► thinking about for sure. Yeah. So Emma recommended, what about separate RSS feeds for these things?

00:25:08 ◼   ► So like, I, I think you get this if you subscribe to the verge, like, so I have a separate RSS feed.

00:25:14 ◼   ► That's just the quick posts. Yeah. And I love that.

00:25:18 ◼   ► I probably could do that because I'm using feed press to build my RSS feed, which

00:25:25 ◼   ► is fine. Um, I'm always worried about the surface going away, but I could make a separate feed,

00:25:34 ◼   ► but then like, I don't know. Like I, I, I made it that at some point. Um, the other thing I would

00:25:40 ◼   ► like it as a separate feed that I personally would very much like that, like for, for all of these

00:25:44 ◼   ► things. So I know that they've changed. I, like, cause this is what I'm saying. It's like,

00:25:48 ◼   ► I, I want to read what people have to say. Uh, but I need like for, for, for this kind of stuff,

00:25:56 ◼   ► I have to know this. I have to have an impetus to go look at it. Right. And like, and I want,

00:26:02 ◼   ► I would personally want to read everything you ever publish here, but like my concern would be like,

00:26:07 ◼   ► you would update it next week. And then in two weeks time you update it significantly. And then you,

00:26:12 ◼   ► uh, you put that on the blog, but you've removed the things that you've were in the

00:26:17 ◼   ► second update. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to think about that. I mean,

00:26:21 ◼   ► I think if this proves to be something that I enjoy doing over the long haul, it's something that I

00:26:26 ◼   ► would, I would look at. And I mean, I can have it be a category in WordPress and then have it. So you

00:26:32 ◼   ► have a feed per category and then hide that category from the homepage, which would kind of give me like

00:26:37 ◼   ► a blog within a blog. There's, there's definitely ways to do it, but for now the simplest way is,

00:26:42 ◼   ► is just, is just a page. Um, and then, you know, highlighting it every once in a while. And

00:26:47 ◼   ► I thought too, like maybe the most recent change could be like in the sidebar, but I think like

00:26:52 ◼   ► Mac stories, I would imagine most people who read 512 do it via RSS. Like my reader base of RSS is way

00:27:04 ◼   ► bigger than the traffic to the site on any given day. And so like even having it in the navigation or

00:27:11 ◼   ► in the sidebar still is invisible to those subscribers. So like there's, there's a balance

00:27:18 ◼   ► to be found there. You know, this is version, you know, one and maybe there'll be future versions down

00:27:24 ◼   ► the road. Yeah. It's not worth building an infrastructure if you don't keep doing it.

00:27:29 ◼   ► Yeah. Um, but yeah, if you do keep doing it, I would love an infrastructure.

00:27:34 ◼   ► Yeah. And, and actually 512 already has that infrastructure. Like it has, I've used categories

00:27:40 ◼   ► from day one and they're all there. They're not visible to anybody. Like echo Mac stories,

00:27:45 ◼   ► you can go to the bottom and see the tags and like, you know, click this and see the other articles

00:27:49 ◼   ► about Instapaper or whatever. Um, I have all of that built out and I've done it for 16 years. Like

00:27:55 ◼   ► every single post on the site is in at least one category. So the plumbing is there. It would just

00:28:01 ◼   ► be a matter of, of exposing that. You could what have feed bin, take a category and make it a make

00:28:09 ◼   ► like sort of a service could take a category and just create a feed out of that category.

00:28:13 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, WordPress can do that natively even. So I wouldn't even have to run it through something

00:28:17 ◼   ► like feed press if I didn't want to. Okay. That would be nice. Yeah. Yeah. As if you do it.

00:28:22 ◼   ► I get it. Yeah. We'll see. Um, you know, this is, like I said, this is version one and

00:28:27 ◼   ► if other people are doing this and like have ideas, like, uh, I'd love, I'd love to hear them. You

00:28:31 ◼   ► know, Rob Knight, I spoke to him about this yesterday and he, on his side, it's kind of like a secondary

00:28:37 ◼   ► blog and, you know, it auto publishes the social media, which is like another thing. Like part of this

00:28:43 ◼   ► is like, I want this separate on social media, at least for now. So like that would be another thing to

00:28:47 ◼   ► contend with, but yeah, it's all, all good thoughts and all interesting possibilities, uh, down the road.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Oh, so is, so when I see Rob's posts on Mastodon and they have a link to the post, that's the same

00:29:00 ◼   ► text as the post. It's one of these. Is that what that is? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That

00:29:06 ◼   ► makes sense. Now I did, I didn't understand what was going on there. This is the, the, the

00:29:11 ◼   ► refederated verse is interesting, but it is, it's like throwing up all these, like his wildly

00:29:18 ◼   ► different implementations that have everybody's thing. Cause also like people are mentioning like

00:29:23 ◼   ► OMG LOL, right. Which they have a kind of Brad was the first person I saw to do this where it's like,

00:29:29 ◼   ► he has like a page on his site, which is like, here is what I am doing this week. Um, and which is

00:29:36 ◼   ► like a, a not too dissimilar thing from what you're doing. Right. It's like kind of like a

00:29:41 ◼   ► schedule page. Uh, it's, I think it's the status log or something. It is. Yeah. Um, and, and it just,

00:29:46 ◼   ► it has like, this is, it's, it's a new one every week. And like, this is what Brad does every week.

00:29:51 ◼   ► Like, you know, it's like, I'm streaming these days, recording the podcast these days, that kind

00:29:54 ◼   ► of thing. Um, and it's not too dissimilar from this kind of idea. It is interesting. Like the,

00:29:59 ◼   ► all of these little different things are popping up, uh, even cause the, even like the, um, the

00:30:06 ◼   ► setups page, like I see people post similar things for the apps that they use. I think,

00:30:12 ◼   ► which I think was inspired by a podcast. If I'm remembering rightly, I know one of, you know,

00:30:17 ◼   ► this piece of information and, uh, yes, yes, it was inspired, but yeah. Uh, I have that on my

00:30:24 ◼   ► about page. Hemispheric views. Is that it? Yes. Yep. Uh, I have that on my gear page,

00:30:30 ◼   ► excuse me, where you can see down at the bottom, it's like software. I just listed them all out.

00:30:36 ◼   ► So yeah, it's, it's just a fun, like interesting thing I think to do within the, the, the 512 blog

00:30:46 ◼   ► infrastructure. It's just a matter of like, how far do I want to push it in terms of making it easy for

00:30:52 ◼   ► people to keep up with and how it kind of fits in with the other stuff? Like there is a world where

00:30:57 ◼   ► I would do this on some service, right? Like even Macedon or, or, you know, like what Brad is doing,

00:31:06 ◼   ► or there's a bunch of those services out there. Uh, but part of this is like, I want it on 512,

00:31:13 ◼   ► but then I got to find a way to integrate it with what people have come to expect from 512. Like if I

00:31:19 ◼   ► dumped a bunch of the stuff in the main feed, I just suspect some people who subscribe to follow

00:31:25 ◼   ► Apple and that sort of thing would, would not want that. And, and so, you know, making that all work for

00:31:33 ◼   ► everybody.

00:31:33 ◼   ► But do you care though? Like, it's your blog.

00:31:36 ◼   ► Yeah. And that's, yeah, that's a question too. Um, so we'll see. It's brand new, but it's all,

00:31:42 ◼   ► it's all good stuff to think about, but it's because you mentioned, here we go, staying away

00:31:48 ◼   ► from social media. Yeah. Is it official if you don't mention it? I really, exactly. Or if your

00:31:55 ◼   ► podcast cohost doesn't drag out of you on the show. So you taking another break or is this something

00:32:01 ◼   ► else? Cause you take a break, like usually in October every year. Yeah. Cause you're tired after

00:32:06 ◼   ► lots of social media engagement in September. Yeah. Yeah. And I did in October cause I was on

00:32:11 ◼   ► sabbatical too. Um, yeah. Yeah. Just, uh, yeah, just seems like a, there's a lot of stuff on the

00:32:20 ◼   ► internet and, uh, I'm trying to be sensitive to the fact that like, I don't want to stick my head in the

00:32:27 ◼   ► sand about the world, but I even said on the now page, as I mentioned, this was like, I'm still

00:32:33 ◼   ► reading the news. I'm still like giving money and time to things that I think are important. Uh, but

00:32:39 ◼   ► I don't need everyone's take on it right now. And so the, those apps are off of my phone. I'm still

00:32:45 ◼   ► signed in on the web. Cause like, you know, I still keeping an eye on my replies and stuff in a work

00:32:52 ◼   ► context, but wanted to back away from it in terms of, of personal use. And I don't know where that

00:33:00 ◼   ► goes, but it's been a couple of weeks and so far it's been really good. So again, something else

00:33:04 ◼   ► new. You're just like, not at all. You're just not on social media at all. Yeah. So I, so like this

00:33:12 ◼   ► weekend, so I'm signed in on my, on my computer, but like this weekend, my laptop stayed in the office.

00:33:17 ◼   ► Like I didn't open it. And so I didn't look at anything over the weekend on social media, like, okay at

00:33:22 ◼   ► all. Um, but at work, all the memes I'm sending you

00:33:26 ◼   ► Yeah. Open Instagram was like, Oh, there's 3000 DMs here from people. Uh, but checking it like

00:33:34 ◼   ► really mostly replies, you know, a few times a week on the web at work and using Instagram on the web

00:33:43 ◼   ► sucks. And so it's a really good, uh, uh, limiting factor. It's like, okay, I could like see a couple

00:33:48 ◼   ► of things and then move on. And I'm not signed into any of these things on my phone. And so that,

00:33:55 ◼   ► that's kind of been the other thing. It's like, well, I could just go to like the threads of the

00:33:58 ◼   ► blue sky website. Um, I don't want to use Macedon on the web cause Macedon on the web really sucks.

00:34:02 ◼   ► It's like, look, you click this other link to see the replies. Like, I don't want to do that. So

00:34:06 ◼   ► is that because you have your own instance? It makes it worse. I think. Okay. So yeah,

00:34:13 ◼   ► all these things are new and experimental. Hmm. I'm going to put a pledge out into the world. Just

00:34:21 ◼   ► like a wish. Like this guy has really good, like moderation features, like mute, like mute words

00:34:28 ◼   ► and that kind of stuff. That's all built into the service. You love to see it. Please let me turn

00:34:33 ◼   ► off retweets for people. Please, please, please. It's still not there. It's still not support. Oh my

00:34:38 ◼   ► God. I know you can have custom feeds that like, but no, there's just specific people that I want to

00:34:44 ◼   ► follow, but they've retweet too much. And it's even, even just like a politics thing, but it is that,

00:34:50 ◼   ► but also it isn't like some people, they just like, they write an article and then they retweet some,

00:34:55 ◼   ► every single person who reshares it, they repost it. Like, and I just don't need to see the same

00:35:00 ◼   ► article so much. You know what I mean? Like I've seen it, like I've read it, it's fine. Um, so,

00:35:05 ◼   ► you know, I, I don't need it. And so like, I just, I want to keep following these people to see what

00:35:09 ◼   ► they have to say, but I don't necessarily need every repost, but there are some people I do want to see

00:35:13 ◼   ► what they repost because they repost interesting things, you know? So like the global turn on and off is

00:35:18 ◼   ► not what I'm looking for, but like, I just, I want to be able to be like, please just let me

00:35:24 ◼   ► turn off repost from this person. Uh, but if, if they've added it, I haven't seen it and I check,

00:35:30 ◼   ► I check a lot. So, uh, yeah, I've really, I really want them to, to sort this out, but they haven't,

00:35:37 ◼   ► but, uh, the, the mute, the mute words really good. Keep adding to that list every, every couple of

00:35:45 ◼   ► days is a new word going on that list. What a time to be alive, you know? Yeah.

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00:37:08 ◼   ► big news. Okay. After decades of people begging, finally, you can migrate purchases between Apple

00:37:18 ◼   ► accounts. You did it, Joe.

00:37:20 ◼   ► This is all thanks to you, right? That's right.

00:37:23 ◼   ► I genuinely refuse to believe that this is not related to you. We just, this has been going on

00:37:30 ◼   ► for you. We just spoke about it for like an hour and now somebody dusted off some web objects and here

00:37:37 ◼   ► we are. Yeah. Someone sent me an email, they're like, boy, don't you wish this had happened two

00:37:43 ◼   ► weeks ago? I was like, uh, yeah. So, uh, Apple on the 11th. So yesterday as we record this, uh,

00:37:52 ◼   ► published a couple of support articles about migrating purchases from one Apple account to

00:37:57 ◼   ► another. And I would just say Apple account is a new term. It was Apple ID for like a hundred years.

00:38:04 ◼   ► I'm probably going to say Apple ID a bunch, like, just forgive me. They're one of the same. If you're

00:38:09 ◼   ► confused by that, they just rebranded it to Apple account, which is, which is a better term for it.

00:38:14 ◼   ► Like I like the branding better, but, uh, Apple ID is like burned into my head. So, uh, if you were like

00:38:21 ◼   ► me to like briefly recap weeks of pain in my life, I was using one Apple ID from a long time ago

00:38:27 ◼   ► for purchasing. And I was using a different one for iCloud, like syncing notes and bookmarks and all

00:38:34 ◼   ► that jazz. And it was fine because Apple devices let you sign in to one Apple ID for iCloud and a

00:38:41 ◼   ► separate Apple ID. I'm already doing it. Apple ID for media and purchases. Just say Apple ID. Just

00:38:48 ◼   ► say Apple ID. We all know. It's like if John Syracuse says megabytes instead of gigabytes,

00:38:51 ◼   ► people are like, ah, it's John, you know? Yeah. I can't believe you didn't mention Apple

00:38:55 ◼   ► account. I can't believe. Why is no one talking about this? Yeah. I ran into an issue where I

00:39:01 ◼   ► wanted to add an additional two terabytes of iCloud storage. I was unable to because that legacy

00:39:08 ◼   ► purchasing account was not in my iCloud family. So I solved this by adopting myself into my iCloud

00:39:15 ◼   ► family. So I now have Steven and legacy Steven, who again, if you missed the detail, his account

00:39:21 ◼   ► picture in my, in my Apple iCloud family is, is like grayed out because he's legacy Steven. It's like

00:39:27 ◼   ► looking at your grandfather, right? An old picture.

00:39:29 ◼   ► Have I told you my thing? If I ever see a black and white image of someone on Instagram,

00:39:34 ◼   ► I think they've died. Oh yeah. Yeah. If I, if I ever, anyone ever posts a black and white image,

00:39:41 ◼   ► I'm like, oh no, they're dead. And then, and then I realize they're not, because what happens is every

00:39:45 ◼   ► time somebody does die, that does happen. Oh yeah. So legacy Steven, he's dead to me.

00:39:49 ◼   ► He's dead. He's dead to me. He's dead to me. This change, which I'm going to get into the

00:39:54 ◼   ► details in a second would not have fixed my initial problem. I don't think of like not being able to

00:39:59 ◼   ► add iCloud storage all the cart, but it would have made the fallout of adopting legacy Steven into my

00:40:07 ◼   ► family, uh, because I turned on purchase sharing, but that mostly works, but there's some like rough

00:40:14 ◼   ► spots. And I got, I kind of came to a point where it was like, I'm just kind of kind of like the family

00:40:20 ◼   ► sharing is enabled, but I'm, I'm using the new Apple ID new and air quotes. I've had it since the mobile

00:40:26 ◼   ► me days. It's a, it's a me.com is my primary using that for purchases moving forward. It would have made

00:40:32 ◼   ► some of that easier. So, so what Apple has done is built a tool that has lots of fine, fine print to

00:40:43 ◼   ► consider. We're going to get into some of that where you can say the purchases made with my

00:40:48 ◼   ► Apple calls it a secondary account, but my legacy account, air quotes, legacy account,

00:40:53 ◼   ► take those purchases and don't just share them like an iCloud family, but actually move those purchases

00:41:02 ◼   ► from my old account into my new one. So it's like my new one bought all those movies 15 years ago,

00:41:11 ◼   ► bought all those apps, you know, when the iPhone first came out. And if you walk through this process,

00:41:18 ◼   ► that is effectively the outcome where your new or current Apple account, it looks and acts like you,

00:41:28 ◼   ► like everything you bought with the other one, it bought. Does that make sense?

00:41:33 ◼   ► Yeah. People have wanted this for a long time. Like, uh, in John's, uh, post on it, on Mac stories,

00:41:40 ◼   ► it's like, I've wanted this for 20 years. It's like, yeah. And his pictures of a HP running iTunes on

00:41:46 ◼   ► windows XP, which is just like chef's kiss that OTJ for that, that blog post, but it comes with a lot of

00:41:54 ◼   ► fine print. And these links will be in the show notes. If you're thinking about doing this, read through

00:41:58 ◼   ► them. I'm just going to kind of hit the highlights here, but there's some things you have to do to

00:42:03 ◼   ► make sure that the legacy or the secondary account is ready, including spending any balance. If you

00:42:09 ◼   ► have account credit or like, if you have a gift card or something on that account, you have to spend

00:42:14 ◼   ► that money. I guess it just goes away or gets like stranded on that old account. So that, that would be

00:42:19 ◼   ► bad. Uh, you can't have any rentals or, or pre-orders going on. So if you've rented a movie or you've

00:42:28 ◼   ► said, Hey, I want to pre-order this movie or app, that's got to be all taken care of. And what's

00:42:35 ◼   ► going to get a lot of people into trouble, wait up to 15 days since the last purchase on the secondary

00:42:42 ◼   ► account. So if you want to do this and you bought a movie with your purchasing account this weekend to

00:42:49 ◼   ► watch with your family, you got to wait two weeks. And not buy anything else. And not buy anything

00:42:54 ◼   ► else. No apps, no in-app purchase, no media. Fascinating. What could possibly be the reason

00:43:01 ◼   ► for 15 days? I don't know. Isn't that like weird? That's very weird. It's very weird. And I have this

00:43:08 ◼   ► at the bottom of this section in Notion, but I'll say it now. Apple could have built this tool

00:43:13 ◼   ► in a way that have worked a lot better and been a lot simpler, but they didn't.

00:43:19 ◼   ► I do wonder if there's something about like, and maybe this is just giving them an out. I don't

00:43:23 ◼   ► know. There's some kind of like licensing rule or something. Cause I can't understand why you would

00:43:31 ◼   ► need to wait specifically 15 days, like not 14, not 30, right? Like 15 is like a very strange number to

00:43:38 ◼   ► me. It seems very specific. And Zach and discord mentions about the refund period. That's also what

00:43:46 ◼   ► I thought was like, well, if you want to refund out of the app store, which is like a whole process,

00:43:51 ◼   ► we don't have time to get into that could be a billing thing, but it is very specific. And if you

00:43:56 ◼   ► want to do this, like you got to keep that timer running in your head, I guess, or use a countdown

00:44:02 ◼   ► widget and widget Smith, you know, they're great. Okay. So if you've jumped through all those hoops

00:44:08 ◼   ► and everything's ready and there's some other things in here, like two factor has to be turned

00:44:11 ◼   ► on. They have to both be in the same country. So say that you've had, for instance, an American

00:44:17 ◼   ► Apple account and an Italian Apple account can't move things in between them. Uh, and actually you

00:44:23 ◼   ► can't do an Italian account anyways, because this is not available to users in the EU. Yeah.

00:44:28 ◼   ► Yeah. So make of that what you will, uh, yeah, it's India, the EU and, uh, the United Kingdom

00:44:40 ◼   ► actually. So neither of you can do this. I mean, I, I, I would not be the kind of person that would

00:44:47 ◼   ► get themselves into this situation. Right. Yeah. You've been responsible with your Apple. I've been

00:44:52 ◼   ► responsible. I haven't decided to just change my Apple ID for some reason over the last 15 years.

00:44:58 ◼   ► years. That's fair. Personally called out. Uh, so yeah. So if you're in, if you're in the European

00:45:05 ◼   ► union, the UK or India, tough luck, I guess, in terms of this. So you do this, you can only do it

00:45:12 ◼   ► on an iPhone or iPad. You go into the media and purchase a setting. There's a button that says

00:45:19 ◼   ► migrate purchases. It has your review everything. And then you get a confirmation email, uh, to

00:45:28 ◼   ► both accounts, which I think is really good. So like both accounts know what's going on. I think

00:45:34 ◼   ► it's a good security check. And, uh, and then once it's done, you sign out of your old account and

00:45:40 ◼   ► you're just in your new one. So like now for me, because I did all this in the old way of like using

00:45:44 ◼   ► family sharing, I'm signed into the, my, my main Apple account in iCloud and the media purchases where

00:45:51 ◼   ► before those were two different email addresses, two different accounts. So that part's relatively

00:45:58 ◼   ► straightforward. I think if you've jumped through all the hoops, um, there are some other gotchas.

00:46:03 ◼   ► You cannot migrate purchases. If both Apple accounts have music library data associated with

00:46:09 ◼   ► each of them. So if you've created a music library under both accounts, for some reason,

00:46:15 ◼   ► you can't migrate. And I'm unclear. Like, can you delete that library data? Like out of the new one,

00:46:21 ◼   ► if you want to adopt the old one? I don't know. Apple's document, not super clear about what that

00:46:26 ◼   ► means. Maybe nobody knows. It's possible. Literally nobody knows. Yeah. You can't migrate purchases.

00:46:33 ◼   ► So, uh, if you have family sharing and you're like, you're sharing that data, you've got to unwind all

00:46:47 ◼   ► of that. Um, that secondary Apple account also cannot be in a family group. So what I've done is again,

00:46:55 ◼   ► I adopted legacy Steven into our iCloud family. I would have to undo that. I would have to jettison

00:47:02 ◼   ► legacy Steven out of the family. Oh no. I'd have to ban him from the family and then break the purchase

00:47:11 ◼   ► sharing to do this because the secondary account can't be part of a family. So that's another

00:47:17 ◼   ► complication here. Really? If this had come out three weeks ago, I might've, I might've done this

00:47:24 ◼   ► and not, but I don't think I'm going to unwind what I've done, um, to jump to the end. Um,

00:47:30 ◼   ► if your primary account has never been used for purchases or free downloads, you can't migrate

00:47:36 ◼   ► purchases. So this was another gotcha that would have been for me because I've done all my purchases

00:47:41 ◼   ► in that legacy account. My current Apple ID, like my real one has never bought anything. So what am I

00:47:46 ◼   ► going to have to do? Like log in on a Mac and like download something free from the app store so I can do

00:47:52 ◼   ► this very strange. Um, and then lastly, this one probably doesn't apply to many people, but it was

00:47:58 ◼   ► notable to me. Neither Apple account old or new can receive any special access to apps or content. So if

00:48:06 ◼   ► your Apple account is enrolled in the volume purchasing program through an employer, like say that, uh, you know,

00:48:14 ◼   ► a lot of companies do this as a way to like send apps to their employees, neither Apple account can be

00:48:22 ◼   ► a part of that. Um, and it will probably also break test flight because I, my test flight did break and

00:48:29 ◼   ► I'm just like, I've had to start over and what betas I have access to, which has been fun.

00:48:34 ◼   ► So it's a lot of fine print. It's a lot of things to jump through. And that's my complaint about this.

00:48:40 ◼   ► Like I'm super glad it's here. It's long overdue, but Apple, like if, if you went through the trouble

00:48:48 ◼   ► and I'm sure it was trouble to make this work at all, why not make it easier for users? And again,

00:48:56 ◼   ► that's discounting and maybe it's an owl. I don't want to excuse them, but maybe I am like,

00:49:00 ◼   ► I'm sure there's like a legal and purchasing and billing stuff that is an issue, but this seems

00:49:07 ◼   ► really complicated. And a bunch of, you know, people have linked to this. Uh, a lot of people

00:49:12 ◼   ► have linked to me cause I helped break it, which was really kind of everybody. Thank you. Nine to

00:49:16 ◼   ► five and macro and everybody else. But I've seen a lot of comments on those articles and some emails

00:49:21 ◼   ► to me of like, I don't want to go first. Like I want someone else to do this. Uh, well, I got an email

00:49:27 ◼   ► from somebody who went first. So a listener of MPU named Dave wrote in, Dave wrote to me per the Apple

00:49:34 ◼   ► guide. I turned off purchase sharing and it seems to have auto defaulted the purchase account to my

00:49:39 ◼   ► primary Apple ID, which is I think what's expected. That might be okay. If the migration worked,

00:49:45 ◼   ► but it failed. I got an unable to migrate purchases pop up. Now my, this gets worse. Now my family is

00:49:55 ◼   ► locked out of their music and Apple one access and the purchase sharing because, because purchase

00:50:03 ◼   ► sharing can only be changed every 90 days. Oh, so Dave's whole family now is stuck in limbo

00:50:11 ◼   ► here. Uh, Dave has a ticket in with Apple that, uh, Dave says has been escalated to senior engineering

00:50:17 ◼   ► and they say they know about this and are working on it. A light went off when Dave did. Yeah.

00:50:22 ◼   ► He was the first one. And so I asked Dave to keep me updated on this. And so there may be follow

00:50:28 ◼   ► up to Dave Saga here. Oh, can you imagine having to go to your, like your, your partner and you know,

00:50:34 ◼   ► your children and be like, Hey y'all, like, uh, I know you want Apple music or, uh, iCloud space,

00:50:40 ◼   ► but you can't have it. Is Dave a listener? Do you know? He said he's an NPU listener.

00:50:47 ◼   ► All right. Who knows? I'm going to drag Dave now for a second. Okay. Don't do this. Like,

00:50:53 ◼   ► don't do this first. Like this is the whole thing, Dave. Yeah. If your whole family's relying

00:50:58 ◼   ► on you, this is why like anything that's related to like the family, you just, you don't make

00:51:04 ◼   ► changes on it. Like you, you gotta, you know, cause this is, this is why Dave now, the next

00:51:09 ◼   ► time you ask if you could do something, the family is going to be like, no, no, you can't

00:51:14 ◼   ► do this. Yeah. Because, because they would say we don't trust dad. After what happened last

00:51:19 ◼   ► time, we don't trust you anymore. Yeah. You, you, you, yeah. I'm sorry, Dave. You ruined

00:51:25 ◼   ► it for your family. Yeah. If we could take a quick aside, I'm going to read to you guys

00:51:31 ◼   ► a text message that I got from my mom. And I want to see if you, if you get this is the

00:51:36 ◼   ► way you receive emails changed on your phone. I don't like it. I don't get it. Yeah. They

00:51:41 ◼   ► basically blame you for any changes to the phone. But like that, that message that I got

00:51:46 ◼   ► from my mom, do you know what she's talking about? Sorting and Apple mail? Yes. Yes.

00:51:53 ◼   ► Wait, what's, what's, what's sorting? The primary. Just the, it's not Apple intelligence. It's

00:51:58 ◼   ► just the sorting features, right? Where like it puts it into the primary or transactions.

00:52:03 ◼   ► Oh, the categories. Okay. Categories. Yeah. So I ended up like making some screenshots from

00:52:09 ◼   ► my mom to show how to turn it off. And she was very proud of herself that she's able to

00:52:13 ◼   ► do it. Like you should have, you should have done the, you should have done the screen sharing

00:52:16 ◼   ► on, uh, to take control of the phone. Yeah. It's real. We have done that. We have done

00:52:21 ◼   ► that a few times. I couldn't do it at that point. And I knew how I could just send two screenshots

00:52:26 ◼   ► and I was convinced that she could do it. And at first, the first message was like, I can't

00:52:31 ◼   ► do it. This is too complicated. Followed up by a minute later. I've done it. Which is like

00:52:35 ◼   ► how these things usually go, right? Like I know she's more capable of, of these things

00:52:39 ◼   ► than she thinks she is. And due to the fact that she uses an iPhone every day, you know

00:52:43 ◼   ► what I mean? Uh, but she just lacks the confidence in it, but yeah, I find it amusing that your

00:52:50 ◼   ► mom is in agreement with you that there are no good email apps. I mean, it's true. There

00:52:56 ◼   ► are no good email apps. I mean, as I said before, my, my identity is email is bad. So all email

00:53:00 ◼   ► apps are bad, but all email apps are bad. Um, I do like the sorting though. I, I, it works

00:53:07 ◼   ► well enough for me for like what I want as like a very, very basic of like, just put things

00:53:12 ◼   ► in my inbox that I care about and everything else just goes somewhere else. And, and you

00:53:16 ◼   ► can control where things go, but my mom doesn't need that because you know, my mom is like so

00:53:21 ◼   ► many people where she gets like a thousand emails, you know, and like just doesn't read

00:53:26 ◼   ► any of them, you know? Uh, unless there's something she knows that she needs to go and get, um,

00:53:32 ◼   ► and then she'll just go and get it. Like, you know, she wants her email from the national

00:53:36 ◼   ► lottery or whatever, and she'll just go and read it. Yeah. So shout out to my mom, you

00:53:43 ◼   ► know, shout out to my mom, you know, she's the best. Yeah. She should try spark.

00:53:51 ◼   ► Just kidding. So yeah. Um, legacy Steven died a hero is what we've, what we've learned. I'm

00:53:58 ◼   ► taking credit for this and I, this is where I'm requesting my new title. Okay. Which would

00:54:05 ◼   ► be King of the K base? I mean, look, you can call yourself that and I would agree that you

00:54:12 ◼   ► are that, but it's not going in the intro. What if, what if Zach puts it on the, who's

00:54:18 ◼   ► intro webpage and we just have to read it? Then Zach could be creating a constitutional

00:54:23 ◼   ► crisis. Well, that doesn't matter. Oh, what kind of constitution? Yeah, it's fine. What,

00:54:33 ◼   ► what, what kind of, uh, there's going to be consequences if we allow this, if we set a

00:54:40 ◼   ► precedent for anybody to come in. I think I did win it. Apple purchase migration. I mean,

00:54:48 ◼   ► come on, come on, if no. Okay. If we get an anonymous piece of feedback from an Apple

00:54:58 ◼   ► source that we deem trustworthy that says between us, but it was that connected episode and that

00:55:05 ◼   ► experience from Steven that prompted us to accelerate this feature, we will give you the

00:55:11 ◼   ► title. Yep. And then this will be like a canary in the coal mine kind of thing, right? Yeah. If

00:55:17 ◼   ► Steven starts being called king of the K base, then you'll know. You know, Mike has a way to deal

00:55:22 ◼   ► with sources. You know, you can just go to connected feedback, send an anonymous message saying,

00:55:28 ◼   ► yes, it was that. But you know, we will consider it. You can be one of my AIs. Yeah. But you can't actually

00:55:37 ◼   ► be anonymous. That's the thing though. Cause then it's not verifiable. So like if, if Steven just opens up the

00:55:44 ◼   ► feedback form right now, just types in, Steven was the reason. No, we, we need, there are people out there.

00:55:52 ◼   ► It can be verified. That we know. Yeah. Then you need, this needs to be verifiable, but I would be very happy if it's

00:55:58 ◼   ► verifiable, but you got to win it. You got to win your titles. Okay. Okay. That's fair. Yeah.

00:56:05 ◼   ► I do believe I genuinely, I genuinely believe that this happened because of Steven. Like I, I actually

00:56:13 ◼   ► genuinely believe it because the, the, the conspiracy, not conspiracy, wait, the coincidence, that's the

00:56:20 ◼   ► word. They're kind of similar conspiracies and coincidences. Uh, the coincidence is too strong.

00:56:27 ◼   ► Too strong. That like, this has been a thing for so long. We just spent so much time about it. And now

00:56:33 ◼   ► two weeks later it's changed, but someone needs to convince me and then we will call Steven King of

00:56:38 ◼   ► the K base. Okay. I like that. Do, it kind of feels like one of those things. Have you ever been someplace

00:56:46 ◼   ► in public and there's like a little sign on something that's like very clearly there because someone did

00:56:51 ◼   ► something stupid, right? Like, like maybe there's like a ceiling fan. It's like, don't put your hand

00:56:57 ◼   ► in the fan. It's like, we all know that. Right. But someone did it and a lawsuit made the sign happen.

00:57:04 ◼   ► Or like, um, I know that this one is a little bit more complicated than this, but just like coffee cups

00:57:10 ◼   ► that say hot drink inside. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hot drink in the K base. Tastes like Steven.

00:57:18 ◼   ► But why are you mentioning this, Steven? I'm just saying like, it's the same kind of thing,

00:57:23 ◼   ► right? Like something bad happened to me and now it won't happen to anybody else.

00:57:28 ◼   ► So you are the sign? Unless you're Dave. Dave took one for the team.

00:57:32 ◼   ► Something worse happened to Dave. Are you the sign in this scenario, Steven, or are you the hot drink?

00:57:39 ◼   ► I'm the hot drink.

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00:59:25 ◼   ► Apple has new headphones that Marques Brownlee in his review, we gave two things that I thought

00:59:35 ◼   ► were fascinating here. For one, he said he believes these are the best earbuds for most people.

00:59:41 ◼   ► Which is strong disagree.

00:59:43 ◼   ► Have you used them?

00:59:45 ◼   ► Well, I just, I just think that earbuds with a little hook are not the best earbuds for most people.

00:59:52 ◼   ► Okay. Well, Marcus Brownlee said that. Federico Vettici said, strong disagree. So these are the

00:59:57 ◼   ► two quotes I have. And then the other quote is, he said in the briefing that he got about this product,

01:00:04 ◼   ► that these, that he was told that these are, quote, the best selling headphones in the world.

01:00:08 ◼   ► Okay. Also strong doubt.

01:00:13 ◼   ► Yeah. I also, but so did he though, which was the point of his, in his videos, like he was told this,

01:00:18 ◼   ► he says it doesn't make any sense to him, but if he's going to believe it, fine. Right. But anyway,

01:00:25 ◼   ► we have the Power Beats Pro 2. Power Beats Pro are basically a Beats in-ear wireless, like wireless in-ear

01:00:33 ◼   ► workout headphone, because they are the ones that have those little hook that goes behind the ear.

01:00:38 ◼   ► But these, this version got a ton of new features. So they got the Apple H2 chip, which brings a bit

01:00:45 ◼   ► active noise cancellation, transparency mode, adaptive EQ. The case is smaller, but the battery life is

01:00:51 ◼   ► longer. It has sweat and water resistance. I think it had that before, but it also got MagSafe charging

01:00:57 ◼   ► as well in the case, USB-C as well. But also the brand new feature is heart rate monitoring sensors.

01:01:04 ◼   ► And this is the thing that we've been hearing about was maybe coming to AirPods Pro and maybe still will,

01:01:09 ◼   ► but they got heart rate monitoring sensors. And from Victoria Song's review in The Verge, I found kind of

01:01:15 ◼   ► fascinating. So the heart, the data from the heart rate sensor shows in the health app and in some apps that

01:01:23 ◼   ► Apple have partnered with on iOS, but not everywhere, like Fitness Plus. The heart rate monitor in the

01:01:31 ◼   ► Power Beats Pro 2 from Apple does not work in Fitness Plus, but however, quote, Android users have more options. You should be able to

01:01:40 ◼   ► use it in any app that compare with a Bluetooth heart rate monitor. Beats is like, I desperately want to understand how that

01:01:48 ◼   ► team works, where like, they can get access to a bunch of stuff, but not everything. And then also has really good support for

01:01:59 ◼   ► Android. But if you wear these and an Apple watch, it will not take the reading from the Beats headphones

01:02:04 ◼   ► on iOS and you can't change it. So I can, it kind of tells you something about what Apple think from a reliability

01:02:10 ◼   ► perspective. I don't know, but kind of fascinating. Also comes in four colors, including this orange, which

01:02:17 ◼   ► is amazing. The orange is sick. It's so good. Super good. Super good. Federico, why are you so upset about,

01:02:23 ◼   ► not upset, but like, what is your, what is your, what is your doubt on these headphones? And what do you,

01:02:27 ◼   ► what is it about the package that you're not interested in?

01:02:29 ◼   ► Well, no, I'm, I'm fascinated by the idea of the in-ear heart rate monitoring. I just disagree with the idea

01:02:36 ◼   ► that these are the best earbuds for most people, because most people don't want to use the ear hooks.

01:02:40 ◼   ► You know, most people just want to grab something from a case and put them in their ear without having to

01:02:46 ◼   ► have this whole contraption going over their ears. That's why, anecdotally, but I think, you know,

01:02:54 ◼   ► anybody who lives in, in a society and goes outside could say, anecdotally, do you see more people

01:03:02 ◼   ► wearing AirPods or variation of AirPods? Or do you see more people wearing Power Beats Pros? Like,

01:03:09 ◼   ► I just think it's such a, you know, it's such an obvious thing that most people tend to prefer

01:03:14 ◼   ► regular earbuds. And also, I don't believe Apple's statement that these are the best selling earbuds

01:03:22 ◼   ► on earth. Anything Apple says always has to be the best and the greatest. And so right now,

01:03:30 ◼   ► their PR spin is that these are the best. But until a couple of months ago, AirPods Pro 2 were the best,

01:03:36 ◼   ► and then AirPods 4 were the best. So the concept of best is always like in flux, depending on what

01:03:42 ◼   ► product you're launching. And what's newest. And what's newest. And that goes back to what I think

01:03:50 ◼   ► will become one of the concepts that I will refer to the most over the next few years, which is something

01:03:58 ◼   ► that Jason said. Apple is institutionally incapable of saying, yeah, this is a product. No, everything

01:04:04 ◼   ► always needs to be the best, greatest, the most. Um, so I don't believe it. I don't believe any of it.

01:04:11 ◼   ► So you don't, well, one, obviously you don't believe Apple's claim, but, but this is Marcus Brownlee's

01:04:17 ◼   ► feeling from reviewing them. Sure. He thinks this, but sure. I mean, and opinions are opinion. You don't

01:04:22 ◼   ► have to agree with it. No, no, no. Well, I, uh, yeah, he can think whatever he wants. That's the beauty of,

01:04:28 ◼   ► you know, being a regular person. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think this design in particular is for people who

01:04:38 ◼   ► want to be really active with their headphones and like, like my wife, Mary, who is the resident

01:04:44 ◼   ► beats expert on connected who, um, well, we'll get to her in a second, but she wears hers to work out

01:04:52 ◼   ► every day and like likes the hooks and for her AirPods don't fit. And so these fit a little bit

01:04:59 ◼   ► better. You actually have more air tip sizes in the AirPods pro, uh, they're up to five different

01:05:04 ◼   ► sizes now. And with the hook, they stay, you know, they stay put a little bit better. Do they go in

01:05:10 ◼   ► the ear? They do like in, in, or just resting. They're like the, the tips are like the air pod pros

01:05:17 ◼   ► tips. Like the rubber ones you take on and off. It's kind of like double bolt in a door, isn't it?

01:05:23 ◼   ► It is. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Just gaff tape your AirPods to the side of your face.

01:05:28 ◼   ► Yeah. It's like they go in and around and around and you put a sweat band around them. You know,

01:05:34 ◼   ► these things aren't going anywhere. And then you put a helmet on above it all. Uh, so yeah,

01:05:39 ◼   ► I think the form factor is obviously a big, a big thing here. You know, interestingly now the

01:05:44 ◼   ► technology is basically the same between the AirPods pro two and these, cause they've got

01:05:48 ◼   ► the H two, they have all the noise cancellation and transparency stuff. Uh, the case is smaller,

01:05:54 ◼   ► which Mary was really excited about. So when these were rumored, these have been rumored for

01:05:59 ◼   ► a long time, but a couple of weeks ago when the colors leaked, I like showed her an article

01:06:05 ◼   ► about it. I was like, Hey, you know, she's used power beats pro for a long time. Her, I think

01:06:11 ◼   ► her pairs are like the like original launch day that, you know, she's like, Hey, do you

01:06:15 ◼   ► want an upgrade to these? If you do like, what color would you like? Cause you know, if they

01:06:18 ◼   ► come out, I can just order them for you on the day. And she wanted the hyper purple. We didn't

01:06:24 ◼   ► know the names then, but the, the leaks, the colors were spot on. So she has a pair of purple

01:06:29 ◼   ► ones that are delivered tomorrow. And at some point in the next couple of weeks, I'll interview

01:06:35 ◼   ► her about, about them and we'll, we'll play it on the show. So, um, the, as the time on the

01:06:41 ◼   ► tradition. Yes. She, she talks about headphones on connected. So there's very specific headphones.

01:06:47 ◼   ► That's right. Just beats. Um, and you know, and so I told her, Hey, you want to come on the show?

01:06:52 ◼   ► She's like, yeah, like let's do it. But she's excited to come back. Uh, so yeah, the power beats

01:06:57 ◼   ► pro too, you know, they're definitely not for everybody. Like as someone who wears glasses,

01:07:01 ◼   ► I find anything that has like a hook over the ear, a bit uncomfortable. It's just like a lot going on

01:07:08 ◼   ► back there. But if you are jumping around a bunch doing kickboxing and you don't wear glasses, um,

01:07:14 ◼   ► maybe they're a better solution for you. And, and maybe that's where apples, you know, sort of

01:07:20 ◼   ► probably over the top statement comes from is from people who are really active with these things in

01:07:25 ◼   ► a way that maybe, maybe we aren't. I would like to take a moment to recommend my, my favorite headphones

01:07:32 ◼   ► at the moment, which are the Oslo sleep buds. Yeah. Oh yeah. I've heard of this. Yeah. I love these

01:07:39 ◼   ► things so much. They're so good. I mean, they're very much like a startups product product product. Like

01:07:46 ◼   ► they have some weirdness to them, but I love these things so much. They just basically,

01:07:51 ◼   ► they go in the ear, they're super low profile so I can lay flat and like, I don't feel them pressing.

01:07:57 ◼   ► Yeah. Um, and then they play white noise. They can, they have a bunch of inbuilt white noise.

01:08:01 ◼   ► And so like, I just have them play these like ocean sounds. Um, it's just a very simple product,

01:08:07 ◼   ► but like is very, very good for what I need. And they have a bunch of features that like are

01:08:12 ◼   ► available, but I don't use them. Like you can, uh, you can also like play your own audio if you want

01:08:17 ◼   ► to. Like they're just Bluetooth headphones that connect to your iPhone. Um, and, but the, the,

01:08:22 ◼   ► the actual, like they work on their own. So you like, you open the case, the lights flash when the lights

01:08:28 ◼   ► stop flashing, which takes a few seconds, it means they're ready. You just put them in your ears and

01:08:32 ◼   ► they just start playing. I don't have to do anything on my phone. Um, and then I have it play for an hour.

01:08:37 ◼   ► The only thing for me is it plays for an hour. If I wake up and can't get back to sleep again,

01:08:42 ◼   ► you have to put them back in the case for a second and then they'll re like kind of do whatever it is

01:08:47 ◼   ► they do. And then it starts playing again and you can choose, you can have it play all night,

01:08:51 ◼   ► but just for battery life reasons. Um, just so I don't have to keep charging, keep charging the

01:08:56 ◼   ► case, like the case up all the time. Um, I just haven't played for an hour and that usually does the job

01:09:01 ◼   ► for me, but they're a cool product and you know, they're trying to do some sleep tracking stuff and

01:09:05 ◼   ► things like that. But just to do this one thing is great. I mean, cause they basically the people

01:09:10 ◼   ► that started this, they used to work at Bose, Bose used to make a product called the Bose sleep buds.

01:09:15 ◼   ► They stopped making that product. And so they left and started their own company called Oslo. And

01:09:22 ◼   ► these are the Oslo sleep buds. So I think they kind of worked out with Bose. They're Bose like,

01:09:27 ◼   ► yeah, you can just go do this now because we don't want to do this anymore.

01:09:30 ◼   ► You don't, I don't feel like Bose is a company. You don't want mad at you, you know?

01:09:33 ◼   ► Yeah. Cause I'm sure they have like patents forever.

01:09:36 ◼   ► Sure. Uh, but yeah, I, I really liked this product. Like if, if you are the type of person

01:09:41 ◼   ► that likes to listen to things when you sleep and don't have a pair of headphones that feel

01:09:45 ◼   ► comfortable to you or you want white noise or whatever, but not everybody in your house wants

01:09:49 ◼   ► that. Uh, I really recommend this product. I think they're not cheap. Um, but again,

01:09:55 ◼   ► I think it's a small company just trying to make this work on their own, but I really like it. It

01:10:00 ◼   ► has an alarm too, which is great. Um, so like I, the alarm goes off in the morning and it's like,

01:10:06 ◼   ► you can't escape the alarm, you know, like, cause it's inside your head. Yeah. You can't escape that

01:10:12 ◼   ► alarm. And also therefore it is an alarm that doesn't bother other people as well. So it's like, it's,

01:10:16 ◼   ► it, I like it. And like the earbuds are kind of difficult to get out, like not in a bad way,

01:10:21 ◼   ► but they have those little wing tip things that go in the ear. So you really have to kind

01:10:25 ◼   ► of get in there to get them out. And so like, that is also good for the alarm part, right? You can't

01:10:30 ◼   ► just like yank these things off your head. You have to kind of just like, you have to be aware enough

01:10:37 ◼   ► to, to stop the alarm. So yeah, it's cool. It's a really nice little product. Um, it's very niche,

01:10:43 ◼   ► uh, but I wanted to recommend it. Um, this is funny. They're doing it. I'm just on their website and

01:10:47 ◼   ► they're doing a Valentine's day promotion for, for two, two pairs. I see. It's pretty funny. Um,

01:10:53 ◼   ► but yeah, there you go. Yeah. And Beats makes a product kind, I mean, not like the sleep part,

01:11:00 ◼   ► but one that goes in your ear with a little wing tip. Um, yeah, that was one thing Mary and I were

01:11:05 ◼   ► talking about when I was, uh, kind of showing her this, like, Hey, these are going to get revised.

01:11:09 ◼   ► She's like, do they still make those ones that I hate it? Cause I think they're the Beats X.

01:11:13 ◼   ► Beats fit. Beats fit. Um, and I, I think, you know, you mentioned a second ago that Beats is

01:11:20 ◼   ► like doing, you know, different stuff than the AirPods. And I think one reason the, I mean,

01:11:25 ◼   ► addition to the brand having great brand recognition, like everyone knows Beats is it gives Apple an

01:11:31 ◼   ► opportunity to create products to like meet the needs of people on a broader basis than maybe they

01:11:37 ◼   ► would do with the AirPods line. And so like, I don't think there'd ever be a set of AirPods

01:11:42 ◼   ► AirPods that had a over the ear hook, but they can do it over in Beats land and they, you know,

01:11:47 ◼   ► can do full colors and do the Android stuff. And I just think that's very, it's a very interesting

01:11:52 ◼   ► thing. Like of all sort of the modern, like things and businesses Apple is in Beats is one of the most

01:11:59 ◼   ► interesting to me because they use that brand to go into markets and to like sell products that maybe

01:12:08 ◼   ► they wouldn't otherwise. And clearly it's successful because they're still doing it. And, you know, you walk

01:12:13 ◼   ► into an Apple store and they've got all the AirPods stuff, they have all the Beats stuff, but you go into a

01:12:18 ◼   ► Best Buy or Target or something like that, Beats stuff is everywhere. And they are clearly very successful

01:12:23 ◼   ► with it and popular. And Mary's very excited to get some new purple headphones tomorrow.

01:12:29 ◼   ► Hmm. I was just reminded in going to the Beats website that they had the iPhone cases this year.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Oh, they were so bad. Yeah. Yeah. Just the like, Hey, we need more cases. Yeah.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Because we only make one type of case now. That's funny. I returned mine. It was awful.

01:12:45 ◼   ► The Beats case. Yeah. I remember it was like really weird plastic, right? Like kind of slippery.

01:12:51 ◼   ► It's not good looking. The Beats pill is back.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Oh, yeah. They brought that thing back. With Kim Kardashian.

01:13:00 ◼   ► Wait, what?

01:13:02 ◼   ► With Kim Kardashian.

01:13:04 ◼   ► Oh, is that how you say that name?

01:13:06 ◼   ► How do you say that name?

01:13:09 ◼   ► How do you say it?

01:13:09 ◼   ► With an extra syllable somewhere.

01:13:11 ◼   ► Kardashian?

01:13:14 ◼   ► Yeah. I just say Kardashian.

01:13:16 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:13:17 ◼   ► This is an and and odd thing.

01:13:21 ◼   ► Or like, well, uh, Idina used to call them Cardasians, which I thought was funny.

01:13:25 ◼   ► Like carnation, like the flower?

01:13:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:29 ◼   ► That's fantastic.

01:13:30 ◼   ► Keeping up with the carnations.

01:13:31 ◼   ► You know, really, Power Beats Pro could be really good for Idina because she leaves her AirPods

01:13:36 ◼   ► everywhere. And like something bigger that's bright orange be harder to lose.

01:13:40 ◼   ► It's not going to change anything.

01:13:42 ◼   ► No, it's not.

01:13:43 ◼   ► I think about her all the time. Like anytime I take my AirPod out and the case isn't in

01:13:47 ◼   ► my pocket, I'm like, oh, no, don't do it.

01:13:49 ◼   ► I take pictures every time and she's like, no, don't send it to them. So that happens.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Oh, my God.

01:13:54 ◼   ► She knows what I'm going to do. She knows I'm going to do.

01:13:56 ◼   ► I haven't received one of those pictures in a while. Is that why?

01:13:59 ◼   ► Uh, sometimes. Sometimes they're just not exciting. Like it's just like an AirPod on the kitchen

01:14:05 ◼   ► counter. I like it when there is something going on specifically. Like my favorites is when

01:14:10 ◼   ► they're like the case and then the AirPods next to them. That's my favorite.

01:14:13 ◼   ► one. Uh, so if I ever see that, you will get that picture. But the random AirPods around

01:14:18 ◼   ► the house happen so much that it's like not really worth sending every single image.

01:14:23 ◼   ► That's going to be real bad with a small child in the house.

01:14:26 ◼   ► I mean, we're already talking about the fact that we have, we're going to have to live differently.

01:14:30 ◼   ► We're like the two of us are typically at home. Both of us wearing our AirPods doing something

01:14:36 ◼   ► like that's just not going to be our lives.

01:14:38 ◼   ► Yeah. That's not going to be the case anymore.

01:14:40 ◼   ► We know that. So like things are going to change.

01:14:43 ◼   ► But by podcasts.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, you know, I still commute. I still commute. So I'll be listening to my podcast.

01:14:49 ◼   ► Will you? Okay.

01:14:51 ◼   ► Will I commute?

01:14:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Let's see how the, my podcast career goes with Screaming Child.

01:14:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:58 ◼   ► Like in the house. I don't, there's no space in my house to record.

01:15:02 ◼   ► Like all the space is taken now.

01:15:04 ◼   ► Do you, do you have a garage with like Wi-Fi? You could go out there.

01:15:08 ◼   ► No, I do not have that.

01:15:10 ◼   ► That's a bummer.

01:15:10 ◼   ► Can I, can I, can I, can I, can I put my stick in the ground here and make a prediction?

01:15:16 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:17 ◼   ► You will not be back in two months or whatever you think your break is going to be.

01:15:22 ◼   ► Well, you think I'm going to be gone for longer than two months?

01:15:25 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:26 ◼   ► All right.

01:15:28 ◼   ► That's my prediction.

01:15:29 ◼   ► I'll be the people who are wrong, but that is my prediction.

01:15:32 ◼   ► No one wants you to approve the wrong one in Steven.

01:15:35 ◼   ► I'll be back. I'll be back.

01:15:39 ◼   ► You will be back.

01:15:40 ◼   ► Two months is funny.

01:15:41 ◼   ► You will be back.

01:15:42 ◼   ► Oh, you think it's just, it will just take longer than two months?

01:15:44 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:45 ◼   ► Can we, can we put some parameters on this?

01:15:48 ◼   ► Okay.

01:15:49 ◼   ► Like, do you mean to everything or like to, like what is back in your mind?

01:15:54 ◼   ► I could see a scenario in which you realize two months was not long enough and you may

01:16:00 ◼   ► want to sort of come back in phases on some of the shows or maybe just ask for like another

01:16:06 ◼   ► two weeks or like an extra month.

01:16:08 ◼   ► I think that is a very fair, because there is a possibility that the phasing thing might

01:16:12 ◼   ► happen in certain places anyway.

01:16:13 ◼   ► So yeah.

01:16:14 ◼   ► Okay.

01:16:15 ◼   ► That's fine.

01:16:16 ◼   ► We should see, you should make that prediction because there is a possibility of it.

01:16:20 ◼   ► The phase return, but for me it's like, when is the phase return happening?

01:16:24 ◼   ► Is it happening at seven weeks or nine weeks, you know?

01:16:28 ◼   ► If I got it right, can I be called the king of predictions?

01:16:31 ◼   ► No.

01:16:32 ◼   ► Okay.

01:16:33 ◼   ► Because that feels like an overriding.

01:16:35 ◼   ► Okay.

01:16:36 ◼   ► Not even, okay, hold on, hold on.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Not even if Adina agrees with this title?

01:16:42 ◼   ► No?

01:16:42 ◼   ► Okay.

01:16:43 ◼   ► You can be king of daddy?

01:16:44 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:16:45 ◼   ► No, I just want to be king of predictions.

01:16:47 ◼   ► I mean, we're just assigning titles to ourselves now.

01:16:50 ◼   ► Well, I mean, yes, but they have to, who's going to, what is the approval process?

01:16:56 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:16:57 ◼   ► Like we need this, this source to come out of the work to say, Stephen, make this happen.

01:17:01 ◼   ► Well, Mike, deep in your heart, you know, I deserve this title.

01:17:05 ◼   ► Deep in, deep in my heart, I will know.

01:17:07 ◼   ► Yes.

01:17:07 ◼   ► And in my heart, I will call you the king of predictions.

01:17:09 ◼   ► Just look inside your heart.

01:17:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:12 ◼   ► In my heart, I will, I will call you king of predictions.

01:17:15 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:17:16 ◼   ► Mark Gurman has been reporting for the past few days that Apple is, as you may have seen,

01:17:23 ◼   ► there have been sort of trickling out announcements this week with the Powerbeats.

01:17:29 ◼   ► What was it today?

01:17:32 ◼   ► They had that press release, health study press release.

01:17:35 ◼   ► With tiny heads, by the way.

01:17:39 ◼   ► Do you see this artwork?

01:17:39 ◼   ► Tiny heads.

01:17:40 ◼   ► Tiny heads.

01:17:40 ◼   ► Yes.

01:17:41 ◼   ► Tiny heads.

01:17:41 ◼   ► Still no iPhone has.

01:17:44 ◼   ► That's why nobody cares about the press release.

01:17:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:46 ◼   ► Okay.

01:17:47 ◼   ► Wow.

01:17:47 ◼   ► So apparently the iPhone SE, the new one is still coming at some point later this week

01:17:52 ◼   ► or most likely early next week, which is when Apple is holding product briefings, Gurman

01:17:57 ◼   ► says.

01:17:58 ◼   ► Also, a couple of things.

01:18:01 ◼   ► Just a few minutes ago, Mark said that as like later today, finally, Apple will debut Apple

01:18:09 ◼   ► TV Plus on Android, which is something that I think I mentioned this when we talked about

01:18:15 ◼   ► my Android media tablet.

01:18:16 ◼   ► I was very surprised by the lack of an Apple TV Plus experience, especially if you want

01:18:21 ◼   ► to be a services company and especially if you want to attract people to your TV streaming

01:18:26 ◼   ► service.

01:18:26 ◼   ► So it looks like, it looks like, you know, just like Steven was right about moving purchases.

01:18:31 ◼   ► I was right about Apple TV Plus and Android.

01:18:36 ◼   ► So you can also call me the king of TV.

01:18:38 ◼   ► So that's coming later today.

01:18:42 ◼   ► The other part, Gurman says that there's going to be some small announcement with PR people

01:18:49 ◼   ► from Apple reaching out to the press on Friday.

01:18:52 ◼   ► So two days from now about something related to the Vision Pro.

01:18:56 ◼   ► And I have a theory, a grand theory, if you will, that I want to share with you guys.

01:19:02 ◼   ► Later today, I think in just a few hours.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:07 ◼   ► So before the podcast is released.

01:19:11 ◼   ► Yes.

01:19:11 ◼   ► So this is really just like a stake in the ground.

01:19:13 ◼   ► Was Federico right?

01:19:15 ◼   ► Right.

01:19:15 ◼   ► Because I'm the king of predictions.

01:19:17 ◼   ► Because you're the king of predictions.

01:19:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:19 ◼   ► My theory is that this will be something about the rumored PlayStation VR controllers coming

01:19:27 ◼   ► to the Vision Pro.

01:19:28 ◼   ► I could see a scenario in which at the PlayStation state of play event in a few hours, as I'm saying

01:19:36 ◼   ► this, maybe Sony will say that PlayStation VR is coming to the Vision Pro and Apple will

01:19:42 ◼   ► have more details on Friday.

01:19:44 ◼   ► Now, Apple typically isn't the company that likes to have other companies upstage their

01:19:50 ◼   ► reveals.

01:19:51 ◼   ► I could also see a scenario where there's somebody from Apple at the state of play.

01:19:56 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:19:57 ◼   ► I just think it's been rumored for a while Apple could use all the help they can get with the

01:20:06 ◼   ► Vision Pro.

01:20:06 ◼   ► It would be fun to see the Vision Pro at the state of play event today.

01:20:13 ◼   ► So, that's my theory.

01:20:14 ◼   ► Or, or, it could just be, you know, I don't know.

01:20:19 ◼   ► This artist is now releasing a video clip recorded in immersive video.

01:20:26 ◼   ► Well, I did just while you were talking about the 9to5Mac and they have a thing from two hours

01:20:30 ◼   ► ago that suggests that potentially Apple is bringing Vision Pro to third-party retailers.

01:20:38 ◼   ► Now, that would be the worst news to deliver via PR representatives of all time.

01:20:44 ◼   ► Maybe just like the most boring thing is like, oh, that wasn't the case?

01:20:48 ◼   ► Okay, fair enough.

01:20:49 ◼   ► And then, because there's a new app in the App Store that's called Apple Vision Pro Demo

01:20:53 ◼   ► Fit.

01:20:53 ◼   ► Okay.

01:20:55 ◼   ► Which is fun for everyone.

01:20:58 ◼   ► But, uh, we'll see.

01:21:00 ◼   ► I, I like your theory, Federica.

01:21:02 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:21:03 ◼   ► Whatever it will happen or not, we'll find out.

01:21:04 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:21:05 ◼   ► They gotta bring those, those, they gotta bring those hand controllers to Vision Pro at some

01:21:08 ◼   ► point.

01:21:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:09 ◼   ► Let's do it.

01:21:09 ◼   ► Let's go.

01:21:10 ◼   ► I gotta, I gotta, I gotta say that I hate this time of year because it's what, it's, let's

01:21:14 ◼   ► face it.

01:21:15 ◼   ► Like, we're all getting the scraps with these announcements, right?

01:21:19 ◼   ► These are like, these are like, I don't know.

01:21:23 ◼   ► Like, please release the iPhone SE 3.

01:21:26 ◼   ► Like.

01:21:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:28 ◼   ► Okay.

01:21:28 ◼   ► Like, big announcements for February.

01:21:31 ◼   ► Cool.

01:21:32 ◼   ► Like, the one thing I'm looking forward to the most is obviously iOS 18.4 with the rumored

01:21:37 ◼   ► Apple intelligence.

01:21:39 ◼   ► Where is that?

01:21:39 ◼   ► Where is that?

01:21:40 ◼   ► Nobody knows.

01:21:41 ◼   ► Nobody knows.

01:21:42 ◼   ► Uh, maybe next week.

01:21:43 ◼   ► Uh, it's, it's, you know.

01:21:45 ◼   ► Just keep saying that forever.

01:21:46 ◼   ► Maybe next week.

01:21:46 ◼   ► We keep saying, eventually, eventually it'll be.

01:21:49 ◼   ► True.

01:21:50 ◼   ► But not yet.

01:21:51 ◼   ► I think that does it for this week.

01:21:55 ◼   ► If you would like to, uh, find us online, you can do that.

01:21:59 ◼   ► Uh, Federico is the editor-in-chief at MacStories.net, home of many fine articles and podcasts and

01:22:08 ◼   ► videos and shortcuts and pictures of Windows XP on the homepage right now.

01:22:14 ◼   ► Yes.

01:22:15 ◼   ► It's great.

01:22:16 ◼   ► And me.

01:22:16 ◼   ► Look at me.

01:22:17 ◼   ► I'm up there.

01:22:18 ◼   ► Little, uh, Apple invites.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Ancient Rome, Stephen.

01:22:22 ◼   ► Yes.

01:22:23 ◼   ► Take it out of the top of the homepage.

01:22:24 ◼   ► Uh, you can find Federico across social media as Vaticci, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Mike co-hosts a bunch of other shows here on Relay and you can check out his work at Cortex

01:22:35 ◼   ► Brand.

01:22:36 ◼   ► And he...

01:22:37 ◼   ► For now.

01:22:37 ◼   ► For now.

01:22:38 ◼   ► What does that mean?

01:22:39 ◼   ► For now.

01:22:39 ◼   ► Well, Federico thinks I'm never coming back.

01:22:43 ◼   ► No, no, no, no.

01:22:43 ◼   ► I said you will come back.

01:22:45 ◼   ► It's just that you've been overly aggressive in your estimation of when.

01:22:49 ◼   ► The great thing is, is the overly, like just the amount of leave people, like the dads usually

01:22:58 ◼   ► take.

01:22:58 ◼   ► It's like basically four hours.

01:23:01 ◼   ► Uh, it seems.

01:23:02 ◼   ► No.

01:23:03 ◼   ► Anyway.

01:23:03 ◼   ► Carry on.

01:23:03 ◼   ► Well, you're not a regular dad.

01:23:05 ◼   ► You're a good dad.

01:23:06 ◼   ► That's true.

01:23:06 ◼   ► So.

01:23:07 ◼   ► That's true.

01:23:08 ◼   ► I mean, I guess we'll find out.

01:23:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:12 ◼   ► Right.

01:23:12 ◼   ► If you're back in two weeks, like, ooh.

01:23:14 ◼   ► Ooh.

01:23:15 ◼   ► Terrible dad.

01:23:15 ◼   ► Terrible dad.

01:23:16 ◼   ► That's, that's awful.

01:23:19 ◼   ► Uh, and he is Mike Hurley or Mike or iMike or something.

01:23:24 ◼   ► You can find him.

01:23:24 ◼   ► Just don't worry about the social media thing.

01:23:26 ◼   ► I know.

01:23:27 ◼   ► I'm going to stop saying it.

01:23:27 ◼   ► You don't use it anyway, you know?

01:23:29 ◼   ► Go to MikeHurley.net slash now to find, find out what he's doing.

01:23:34 ◼   ► Oh, what happens when you do that?

01:23:35 ◼   ► Uh, 404.

01:23:36 ◼   ► Okay.

01:23:38 ◼   ► Look at this.

01:23:39 ◼   ► I haven't seen this page.

01:23:40 ◼   ► Look at this.

01:23:41 ◼   ► MikeHurley.net is popping off.

01:23:44 ◼   ► I updated my Squarespace website recently.

01:23:47 ◼   ► Damn, son.

01:23:48 ◼   ► Yep.

01:23:49 ◼   ► All right.

01:23:50 ◼   ► I'm going to put that in the show notes.

01:23:51 ◼   ► MikeHurley.net.

01:23:52 ◼   ► Everybody go.

01:23:53 ◼   ► Oh, I just added it to Mac power users.

01:23:55 ◼   ► Adding it to.

01:23:56 ◼   ► No, leave it there.

01:23:57 ◼   ► Leave it there.

01:23:57 ◼   ► Leave it there.

01:23:59 ◼   ► People are like, who is this guy?

01:24:00 ◼   ► I do that more often.

01:24:03 ◼   ► The real Mac power user.

01:24:04 ◼   ► I'm the king of the Mac power users.

01:24:06 ◼   ► Well, if you are, if you earn that title, you know?

01:24:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:09 ◼   ► How do I earn that?

01:24:10 ◼   ► Uh, become a BB edit power user.

01:24:12 ◼   ► I use BB edit.

01:24:15 ◼   ► I'm using it right now.

01:24:16 ◼   ► Good.

01:24:18 ◼   ► You can find my writing at 512pixels.net.

01:24:21 ◼   ► And I co-host the aforementioned Mac power users here on Relay.

01:24:25 ◼   ► If you love Connected and you want more of it, go to getconnectedpro.com.

01:24:32 ◼   ► There you can get a longer ad-free version of the show for just $7 a month.

01:24:37 ◼   ► Membership also comes with a bunch of great goodies, including access to the Relay members

01:24:41 ◼   ► discord, the best place on the internet.

01:24:44 ◼   ► I'm just going to say it way better than social media.

01:24:47 ◼   ► And if you have feedback and, uh, or comment, or you just want to tell us that you love us

01:24:55 ◼   ► in poem form, cause it is the week of Valentine's go to connectedfeedback.com.

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01:25:06 ◼   ► And until next time, guys, say goodbye.

01:25:09 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:25:10 ◼   ► Cheerio.

01:25:11 ◼   ► Bye y'all.