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574: Inspired by the Pouch

 

00:00:00   Good evening and welcome to episode 574 of Connected on Relay. This episode is sponsored by Squarespace. I am your Ricky Benchman, Federico Vitici, and it's my pleasure to present on this episode Mr. Stephen Hackett. Hi, Stephen.

00:00:22   Hey. Wow, that was... It was so fast. It was incredible.

00:00:30   That's how I talk in Italian, yes.

00:00:33   What's the Italian word for connected?

00:00:35   Connesso.

00:00:37   Could you type that in the document? I'm going to make that the chapter name.

00:00:41   C-O-N-N-E-S-S-O.

00:00:45   Oh, there's an extra S in there. I wasn't expecting.

00:00:48   Yeah, it's like espresso. There's an extra, you know.

00:00:50   Okay, well, hello. I am Stephen Hackett. I just sound like this.

00:00:57   And welcome to the show, Mike Hurley.

00:01:00   Well, at you monks. We're all going back to our roots today.

00:01:06   We're on the radio. Okay.

00:01:09   We're all back together after a couple of weeks of rotating members.

00:01:16   I missed you last week, but now we're back and it's time for follow-up.

00:01:20   Yes.

00:01:22   Matthew wrote in about the Beats Case Plus Stand that you can get.

00:01:27   Yep.

00:01:28   Matthew said,

00:01:29   Got a new iPhone as well as the Beats Case with the clever strap and little horizontal stand.

00:01:34   I realize it's not too useful, though, as the iPhone can't handle notifications on a locked screen and landscape.

00:01:41   Not something I'd considered.

00:01:45   Well, I mean, I wouldn't say it's not useful, though.

00:01:49   I would say that you have a very particular use case.

00:01:53   Like, if you want to watch video, which I think is more what this is for, it's perfect, right?

00:01:59   Because now you can just stand your phone up and do stuff.

00:02:02   I do feel like, to get to Matthew's point, I feel like Standby could or should have some kind of notification integration.

00:02:11   Doesn't it?

00:02:12   Live activities, it does.

00:02:15   It shows you your live activities.

00:02:16   Hang on.

00:02:17   But I don't think it shows you your notifications.

00:02:19   Send me a text.

00:02:21   Okay.

00:02:22   My phone is in Standby mode.

00:02:24   I don't use Standby very much, so...

00:02:29   Do you, do you, uh, are you in a focus mode?

00:02:32   Nope, nope.

00:02:33   Yeah, I got a text from you.

00:02:34   What, it shows on your screen?

00:02:36   Yeah, so the problem is the Beats case doesn't put the phone in Standby.

00:02:40   Right?

00:02:42   I don't think.

00:02:43   Oh, that's the issue here.

00:02:45   I think that's the issue, because Standby...

00:02:47   Unless you're charging.

00:02:48   You have to be charging, right?

00:02:49   You have to connect it to a MagSafe charger, and, uh...

00:02:54   And then you get it.

00:02:56   I mean, it would be cool if the case could trigger this.

00:02:59   Or you could just enter it.

00:03:00   Like, you could just tell your phone,

00:03:02   Hey, go in Standby mode.

00:03:04   Because I think there are other times Standby mode could be useful.

00:03:07   Like, you know, if you're doing something in the kitchen,

00:03:10   and the phone's just down on the counter,

00:03:11   like, you want to see your timer really big, right?

00:03:14   Standby is really interesting,

00:03:15   but it's really limited because you have to have a charger,

00:03:18   or the phone has to be, um, horizontal.

00:03:21   But maybe there's opportunity there.

00:03:24   Yeah, I genuinely think the main use of this kickstand

00:03:28   is for watching video on your iPhone.

00:03:30   Yeah.

00:03:30   Like, that you would put your iPhone on a flat surface,

00:03:34   and you're not having to hold it.

00:03:35   Horizontal video.

00:03:36   Yeah, like God intended.

00:03:37   Yeah, exactly.

00:03:39   It's one of my main uses of my PopSocket,

00:03:42   is that I can just stand my phone up

00:03:44   and watch video on my phone.

00:03:46   So, reframe it.

00:03:49   I saw that case when we were in Memphis.

00:03:50   That is a very well-made, like, case.

00:03:54   Such a genius little idea.

00:03:55   It's way better than the Beats case last year.

00:03:58   Do you remember how cheap that thing felt?

00:04:01   And it was, like, super glossy.

00:04:02   Yes.

00:04:03   I still don't love it, but they did.

00:04:06   It's still glossy.

00:04:06   Yeah, it is.

00:04:07   But I think they did a good job with it.

00:04:09   If you, if that's what you're looking for,

00:04:12   I think it's a good option.

00:04:13   Mm-hmm.

00:04:14   Okay.

00:04:16   Talking about fitness apps,

00:04:18   do you want to catch people up on

00:04:19   what you were trying to achieve

00:04:21   and some alternatives?

00:04:22   Well, yeah.

00:04:23   So, I'm using Athletic,

00:04:25   and I've had another week with this app,

00:04:26   and just I'm in love with this app.

00:04:28   I think it's so cool.

00:04:29   But Anastasia wrote in and said,

00:04:31   I wanted to add two sibling apps

00:04:33   that do a similar thing,

00:04:35   minus the AI element,

00:04:36   Gentler Streak and The Outsiders.

00:04:38   Both are made by the same team,

00:04:40   but geared towards different types of athletes,

00:04:41   Gentler Streak being more casual activity,

00:04:44   and The Outsiders being more intense.

00:04:46   Both use your vitals, daily activity,

00:04:48   and even menstrual cycle

00:04:49   to give an ideal effort suggestion

00:04:51   without burning out.

00:04:52   I will say, like,

00:04:53   Athletics, AI part,

00:04:56   it's not what's powering the whole app.

00:04:59   It's just like,

00:05:00   you can go into certain modes,

00:05:01   and like,

00:05:02   say you want to get an idea of your,

00:05:05   just like I did it today, right?

00:05:07   You can go into a workout,

00:05:08   and you can use the on-device models

00:05:11   to kind of give you a text summary

00:05:13   of the workout,

00:05:13   which I actually find to be quite useful,

00:05:15   because it's,

00:05:16   it's like,

00:05:17   just gives me a thing I can read

00:05:18   about a bunch of the data.

00:05:20   But aside from that,

00:05:21   it's just pulling in the data

00:05:23   and the information

00:05:23   and displaying it all together

00:05:25   in a way that makes a lot of sense to me.

00:05:27   Gentler Streak,

00:05:29   I've seen,

00:05:30   I know is a very,

00:05:31   it's like,

00:05:32   successful app,

00:05:33   and it's very popular.

00:05:34   It's just not really one

00:05:35   that I've ever spent too much time with,

00:05:36   because like,

00:05:37   the Streak part

00:05:38   never really appealed to me.

00:05:40   It's probably much more than that

00:05:42   at this point.

00:05:43   So maybe I'll give it another go.

00:05:44   The Outsiders is definitely

00:05:46   what I'm trying to get away from,

00:05:48   from though,

00:05:48   which is like an app for athletes.

00:05:50   Like that's not,

00:05:51   like that was the issue I was,

00:05:53   athletes,

00:05:54   there's the issue I was having with Whoop,

00:05:56   which is like,

00:05:57   it was too focused on a type of fitness

00:06:01   that I am not doing,

00:06:03   you know?

00:06:03   Yeah.

00:06:05   I'll give Gentler Streak another go,

00:06:08   see what that's like.

00:06:09   But I'm really enjoying Athletic.

00:06:11   I think the app is wonderful.

00:06:14   I have it downloaded,

00:06:15   but I have not played with it much.

00:06:18   I need to do that next week.

00:06:19   You really should,

00:06:20   because it's just like,

00:06:22   it's an app that you,

00:06:25   you don't really have to do much to use it.

00:06:28   You know,

00:06:29   like you're not having to enter data

00:06:31   or anything like that.

00:06:32   It's just pulling the information

00:06:34   from your health app.

00:06:36   So yeah,

00:06:37   I'm a big fan.

00:06:38   I'm a big fan.

00:06:39   Yeah.

00:06:39   Moving on,

00:06:42   we need to say goodbye

00:06:44   to an old friend.

00:06:45   I'm going to read

00:06:47   from an Apple support document.

00:06:48   The Clips app

00:06:51   is no longer being updated

00:06:53   and will no longer be available

00:06:56   for download

00:06:57   for new users

00:06:58   as of October 10th,

00:07:00   2025.

00:07:01   You can continue to use Clips

00:07:04   on iOS 26

00:07:05   and iPadOS 26

00:07:07   or earlier.

00:07:09   Save your Clips videos

00:07:10   to your photo library

00:07:12   or another location.

00:07:13   Rest in peace.

00:07:15   Rest in peace,

00:07:18   suffering Clips.

00:07:19   Terrible.

00:07:19   I saw someone,

00:07:20   I wish I had written this down.

00:07:22   It was like,

00:07:22   it was a poster

00:07:24   that I had seen

00:07:24   on a social network

00:07:25   is the problem these days.

00:07:26   That narrows it down.

00:07:27   Because I can't,

00:07:29   that's the issue.

00:07:30   They're all the same.

00:07:31   That's the problem.

00:07:32   I don't know

00:07:32   where I saw it.

00:07:33   And at the time

00:07:35   that I saw it,

00:07:36   I didn't know

00:07:36   that I wanted

00:07:37   to bring it up.

00:07:37   So here we are.

00:07:39   Apple as the,

00:07:41   like the camera company,

00:07:43   why can't they make

00:07:46   a consumer level

00:07:47   video editing app?

00:07:49   Like this should be an app

00:07:53   that they maintain

00:07:54   and is successful.

00:07:56   Like TikTok can do it.

00:07:58   Instagram can do it.

00:08:00   Apple should be able

00:08:01   to do this.

00:08:02   Like this today,

00:08:03   like in the today's market,

00:08:04   this is a type of app

00:08:07   that they should have,

00:08:08   maintain and do stuff with.

00:08:11   So that's,

00:08:12   that's my thought on this.

00:08:14   Like maybe they were

00:08:15   too early with Clips,

00:08:16   right?

00:08:16   Because like people

00:08:17   weren't really making shorts

00:08:18   so much at that point.

00:08:20   I guess people were using it

00:08:21   for like Instagram stories,

00:08:22   I guess,

00:08:22   whatever it came along.

00:08:23   But this is a thing

00:08:25   that they should,

00:08:25   should be making

00:08:27   and they're not making it.

00:08:29   and I find that

00:08:30   to be odd.

00:08:31   Hmm.

00:08:32   Yeah,

00:08:33   you're not wrong.

00:08:34   It's,

00:08:35   of all the apps

00:08:36   that they,

00:08:37   like of all these

00:08:38   like side projects

00:08:39   that they made

00:08:40   over the years,

00:08:41   remember,

00:08:41   what was it called?

00:08:42   Music memos?

00:08:43   Yeah,

00:08:44   music memos.

00:08:44   Invites.

00:08:46   Cards.

00:08:48   Cards.

00:08:49   Cards were ruled though.

00:08:50   Cards was like amazing.

00:08:52   Like this one,

00:08:53   this one,

00:08:54   they should have done

00:08:55   something more probably.

00:08:57   I don't know.

00:09:01   I wonder if it was

00:09:04   a little,

00:09:06   like a little disconnected.

00:09:10   So like TikTok

00:09:11   and Instagrams

00:09:13   is what called edits?

00:09:14   Is that what they call theirs?

00:09:15   Correct.

00:09:15   Yeah.

00:09:16   like they have a pipeline

00:09:17   to the social network.

00:09:18   Right.

00:09:20   And

00:09:21   clips,

00:09:22   you could,

00:09:24   I think you could export,

00:09:25   like you could export the file,

00:09:26   but it,

00:09:27   it wasn't first party

00:09:28   in the sense

00:09:29   that it wasn't built

00:09:30   by TikTok

00:09:31   or Instagram

00:09:31   or whoever.

00:09:32   And I wonder if that

00:09:34   just made it sort of

00:09:35   like,

00:09:36   well,

00:09:37   I'm going to post a TikTok,

00:09:38   you know,

00:09:39   CapCut's pretty good.

00:09:40   I'm just going to use

00:09:41   the thing that works

00:09:42   with the thing.

00:09:42   And I wonder if

00:09:43   because clips wasn't

00:09:45   associated with

00:09:46   the network

00:09:47   that it was kind of,

00:09:48   kind of like

00:09:50   out of sight,

00:09:50   out of mind

00:09:51   for some people.

00:09:52   I don't know.

00:09:52   That's,

00:09:53   that's just like

00:09:53   off the cuff

00:09:54   sort of,

00:09:55   sort of guess.

00:09:56   I mean,

00:09:57   in the,

00:09:59   in the kind of like

00:10:00   the inverse of it,

00:10:00   the,

00:10:01   yes,

00:10:01   like the reason

00:10:02   that I think

00:10:05   Kate found it

00:10:05   that it was Joe Steele

00:10:06   that said this post

00:10:07   because there's a link

00:10:08   here in the,

00:10:08   in the discord

00:10:09   and that would make

00:10:10   a lot of sense

00:10:10   that Joe would be

00:10:11   the person to say that.

00:10:12   Yeah.

00:10:13   I would like someone

00:10:14   at Apple to explain

00:10:15   how the company

00:10:15   that has the best

00:10:16   smartphone video

00:10:16   recording experience

00:10:17   can't make any good

00:10:18   video editing app

00:10:19   for smartphones.

00:10:19   That's the point

00:10:21   that I wanted to make.

00:10:22   Joe makes it better

00:10:23   than me.

00:10:23   Super good.

00:10:24   Um,

00:10:25   but I think like,

00:10:28   yeah,

00:10:28   it obviously is,

00:10:30   is in Instagram's

00:10:31   best interest

00:10:32   to have a video

00:10:33   editing app

00:10:33   so they will make

00:10:34   one and maintain it

00:10:35   and edits,

00:10:36   by the way,

00:10:36   is really good.

00:10:37   I use it.

00:10:38   Um,

00:10:38   but I just think

00:10:40   that I know

00:10:42   that there's a lot

00:10:43   of like conversation

00:10:43   about Apple

00:10:45   and how they spread,

00:10:46   if they're spread thin

00:10:47   or not,

00:10:47   like when looking

00:10:48   at stuff like

00:10:48   the Vision Pro

00:10:49   and da,

00:10:50   da, da, da,

00:10:50   but I just think

00:10:52   that this,

00:10:52   this is a type

00:10:54   of thing

00:10:55   that you put

00:10:56   a couple of people

00:10:57   on and this is

00:10:58   the app

00:10:58   that they make

00:10:59   and then you

00:11:00   end up providing

00:11:00   something out of the box

00:11:02   for people to edit

00:11:02   their video together

00:11:03   with that is

00:11:04   disconnected from

00:11:06   these other services

00:11:07   which you can make

00:11:08   as a privacy benefit.

00:11:09   So,

00:11:10   I don't know.

00:11:11   Yeah,

00:11:12   I get,

00:11:12   you know,

00:11:13   I get what you're saying

00:11:13   but also I just feel

00:11:15   like this is,

00:11:15   in a world where like

00:11:17   iMovie is a thing

00:11:19   that exists

00:11:20   and I think still exists,

00:11:21   it does,

00:11:21   yeah.

00:11:22   This should exist

00:11:23   on the phone,

00:11:24   there should be

00:11:24   something on the phone

00:11:25   that,

00:11:25   iMovie's on the phone.

00:11:27   Yeah,

00:11:29   but it's not

00:11:30   for this type

00:11:31   of editing.

00:11:32   No,

00:11:32   iMovie feels

00:11:33   very much

00:11:34   like a thing

00:11:36   of the past,

00:11:37   right?

00:11:37   You are making

00:11:38   a home video,

00:11:39   you are not making

00:11:39   a real.

00:11:40   Yeah,

00:11:40   which was the pitch

00:11:41   back in like 1999

00:11:43   or whatever it was,

00:11:44   hey,

00:11:44   like,

00:11:45   hook up your camera

00:11:46   to your iMac

00:11:47   and make a home video,

00:11:48   we don't know anything,

00:11:50   what to do about it

00:11:51   past that

00:11:51   because DVD burning

00:11:52   and things haven't

00:11:53   come along

00:11:53   but iMovie still feels

00:11:55   like it's in that realm

00:11:56   and it's really good

00:11:57   for that I think still

00:11:58   but yeah,

00:12:00   you're right,

00:12:00   it's not the social

00:12:01   vertical video

00:12:02   that is slowly

00:12:03   or quickly

00:12:05   eating the world.

00:12:06   Yep.

00:12:07   Rest in peace,

00:12:09   Clips.

00:12:09   I have a story

00:12:11   for you both.

00:12:13   Okay.

00:12:14   I know whenever I write

00:12:16   Mike has a thing

00:12:17   in the document,

00:12:17   you both get scared

00:12:18   that I'm going to play

00:12:19   the quiz sound

00:12:19   but this is not a quiz.

00:12:20   This is just a story.

00:12:21   No,

00:12:22   that was Steven.

00:12:23   Welcome to the quiz.

00:12:24   That was Federico.

00:12:26   There is no quiz.

00:12:26   So yesterday,

00:12:29   I spent most of the time,

00:12:31   most of my day at home

00:12:32   with the family

00:12:33   and Adina went to the gym

00:12:36   and I went out

00:12:36   with the baby

00:12:37   to run some errands

00:12:38   and so we went out

00:12:39   with a buggy

00:12:39   and we're in the neighborhood

00:12:40   and we're like,

00:12:42   you know,

00:12:42   walking around

00:12:43   doing some shopping.

00:12:43   Oh my God,

00:12:43   you lost the baby?

00:12:45   Yes,

00:12:46   my baby.

00:12:47   If anyone has seen

00:12:48   a beautiful baby,

00:12:49   it's mine,

00:12:50   let me know

00:12:50   and I'll come find it.

00:12:51   Wow.

00:12:52   And it's Adina's birthday

00:12:56   early next week

00:12:57   and so just like

00:12:58   taking the baby out,

00:13:00   you know,

00:13:00   we're buying gifts

00:13:01   or whatever

00:13:02   for her mama

00:13:02   and so we're out

00:13:04   for a little bit,

00:13:04   I go to the shops

00:13:05   and then I realize like,

00:13:06   oh,

00:13:06   like Adina's gym session

00:13:08   is over now,

00:13:09   we can just go walk

00:13:10   and meet her,

00:13:10   like that would be fun,

00:13:11   like she doesn't know

00:13:12   we're going to do that

00:13:13   so we'll go

00:13:13   and we'll go over there

00:13:14   so start walking over

00:13:15   and we,

00:13:18   and like up

00:13:20   and I'm like,

00:13:21   oh,

00:13:21   there's a couple

00:13:21   of different ways

00:13:22   that Adina could walk

00:13:23   from the gym

00:13:26   to our house

00:13:27   so let me just

00:13:28   double check

00:13:28   where she is

00:13:29   and find my

00:13:30   and so I stop

00:13:31   the buggy,

00:13:32   like I just,

00:13:33   I stop still,

00:13:34   I'm holding on

00:13:34   to the buggy,

00:13:35   I get my phone

00:13:36   out of my hand

00:13:36   and the buggy

00:13:37   moves a little bit

00:13:38   and I grab the buggy

00:13:40   meaning my iPhone

00:13:42   has now fallen

00:13:43   out of my hand

00:13:43   and so it falls

00:13:47   Which one was it?

00:13:47   The Pro?

00:13:48   This is my,

00:13:48   it's my Pro

00:13:49   so my iPhone

00:13:52   falls to the ground

00:13:53   bounces

00:13:54   and I'm like,

00:13:56   ah,

00:13:56   it's fine,

00:13:56   it's going to be fine

00:13:57   I pick it up

00:13:58   and I'll send you

00:14:00   to an image now

00:14:02   there is a huge

00:14:03   chunk

00:14:03   taken out

00:14:04   of the top left

00:14:05   corner of the phone

00:14:06   so you can see

00:14:08   the kind of

00:14:10   the silver

00:14:11   of the aluminium

00:14:11   and it's sharp

00:14:14   and you know,

00:14:15   that's what that is

00:14:16   and I'm like,

00:14:17   ah,

00:14:17   that's really annoying

00:14:18   but I can live with that,

00:14:19   you know,

00:14:20   have you seen the image

00:14:24   you see how it looks?

00:14:25   Yeah,

00:14:25   I see

00:14:26   I wouldn't be able

00:14:27   to live with it

00:14:27   and it's not ideal

00:14:29   especially with an orange phone

00:14:31   but it's like,

00:14:31   I can live with that

00:14:33   so I go,

00:14:34   I'm just like,

00:14:35   I'll deal with this later

00:14:36   I have AppleCare

00:14:37   this is a thing

00:14:38   that I can fix

00:14:39   I did get AppleCare

00:14:39   for this phone

00:14:40   like I did for my last phone

00:14:41   even though I'm super

00:14:42   against them

00:14:43   for what they did to me

00:14:44   with my scratch screen

00:14:45   that they wouldn't replace

00:14:46   because it wasn't broken enough

00:14:47   and then tried to say

00:14:48   don't go,

00:14:49   anyway,

00:14:49   it's like a whole thing.

00:14:50   AppleCare is your case,

00:14:51   look how that worked,

00:14:52   you know?

00:14:53   Yeah,

00:14:54   exactly,

00:14:54   well,

00:14:55   yeah,

00:14:56   exactly,

00:14:57   so I go to meet Adina

00:14:59   and I'm like,

00:14:59   oh,

00:14:59   I dropped my phone

00:15:00   like,

00:15:01   look at what I've done

00:15:02   and she's like,

00:15:02   oh my god,

00:15:03   that's terrible

00:15:04   I'm like,

00:15:04   it's okay,

00:15:04   I'll live with it

00:15:05   what I hadn't noticed

00:15:06   is my screen

00:15:07   was destroyed

00:15:08   I'm sending you

00:15:11   another image

00:15:12   of what I missed somehow

00:15:15   this phone

00:15:17   is wrecked

00:15:19   oh my god

00:15:20   it's so bad

00:15:22   it's two

00:15:23   massive impact points

00:15:25   with many,

00:15:27   many cracks

00:15:28   all over it

00:15:30   so this is my iPhone

00:15:32   the cracks go

00:15:35   all the way up

00:15:36   to the middle

00:15:37   of the phone

00:15:38   as Kay asked

00:15:39   how did you miss that

00:15:40   my answer is

00:15:41   I do not know

00:15:42   I think like

00:15:44   a lot of people

00:15:45   who have cracked phones

00:15:46   you'd be surprised

00:15:47   at what you can ignore

00:15:48   when the screen is on

00:15:49   I actually ended up

00:15:51   so I could take a good picture

00:15:52   for you here

00:15:53   I downloaded

00:15:54   from the internet

00:15:55   just a pure black image

00:15:57   which I then

00:15:58   put as the

00:15:59   going on

00:16:00   because if you see

00:16:00   my background on my phone

00:16:01   you don't see all the cracks

00:16:02   I'm looking at it now

00:16:04   the light's bouncing off it

00:16:05   and I'm like

00:16:06   oh man

00:16:07   this is annoying

00:16:08   but I'm like

00:16:08   I have AppleCare

00:16:10   I know

00:16:12   that this one

00:16:13   is a break

00:16:13   like there's

00:16:14   there's no denying

00:16:15   the breaking

00:16:16   of this phone

00:16:17   and also

00:16:18   what I've noticed

00:16:19   since I took these images

00:16:20   is there are

00:16:21   a bunch of spots

00:16:22   on the frame

00:16:23   that are like

00:16:23   dented

00:16:24   and I just

00:16:25   I'm surprised

00:16:26   like

00:16:26   I dropped it

00:16:28   from I would say

00:16:29   like

00:16:30   above waste height

00:16:32   onto concrete

00:16:33   I mean

00:16:35   it was onto

00:16:35   like a cobble

00:16:36   area

00:16:37   so maybe

00:16:37   but like

00:16:38   the amount

00:16:39   of damage

00:16:40   that was caused

00:16:41   was way more

00:16:43   than I thought

00:16:43   considering how many

00:16:44   times I have

00:16:45   dropped iPhones

00:16:46   in like the last

00:16:48   couple of years

00:16:49   and have never

00:16:49   broken one

00:16:50   this one is like

00:16:52   it looks like

00:16:53   it's fallen out

00:16:54   of a window

00:16:55   or something

00:16:55   it's like

00:16:56   there's so much

00:16:57   damage on this phone

00:16:58   so like

00:17:00   I'm not saying

00:17:01   that Ceramic Shield 2

00:17:03   is

00:17:04   is not durable

00:17:05   but like

00:17:06   you know

00:17:06   I'm just

00:17:07   all I have

00:17:07   is the evidence

00:17:08   here

00:17:08   which is

00:17:09   an absolutely

00:17:09   obliterated

00:17:10   iPhone

00:17:11   so I was like

00:17:13   ah

00:17:13   I've got to

00:17:14   deal with this

00:17:15   now

00:17:15   like I don't

00:17:16   want to deal

00:17:17   with this

00:17:17   but I know

00:17:18   it's deal

00:17:18   withable

00:17:19   because I have

00:17:20   AppleCare

00:17:20   right

00:17:20   like that's

00:17:21   the whole

00:17:21   point of this

00:17:22   thing

00:17:22   and so

00:17:23   I opened

00:17:24   the Apple

00:17:25   support app

00:17:25   and kind

00:17:26   of like

00:17:27   started the

00:17:28   whole process

00:17:28   and they're

00:17:29   like oh

00:17:29   you know

00:17:29   you can

00:17:30   you can

00:17:30   bring it

00:17:31   to us

00:17:31   or you

00:17:32   can do

00:17:32   the express

00:17:33   replacement

00:17:33   thing

00:17:34   and I was

00:17:35   like

00:17:35   I like the

00:17:35   idea of the

00:17:36   express

00:17:36   replacement

00:17:37   because I

00:17:38   don't have

00:17:39   the time

00:17:39   to go to

00:17:40   an Apple

00:17:41   store for

00:17:41   at least

00:17:42   a week

00:17:42   because like

00:17:43   you have

00:17:44   got to make

00:17:44   sure it's

00:17:45   like a day

00:17:45   where I've

00:17:45   got nothing

00:17:46   on because

00:17:46   who knows

00:17:47   how long

00:17:47   these things

00:17:48   take

00:17:48   like I have

00:17:48   no idea

00:17:49   how long

00:17:49   these things

00:17:50   take

00:17:50   my expectation

00:17:51   is they take

00:17:51   way longer

00:17:52   than you think

00:17:52   they're going

00:17:53   to take

00:17:53   and so

00:17:55   I was like

00:17:55   I'll do the

00:17:56   express replacement

00:17:56   it'll be nice

00:17:57   and easy

00:17:58   and fine

00:17:58   they send me

00:17:59   a phone

00:18:00   I do the

00:18:00   transfer

00:18:01   and I send

00:18:01   my phone

00:18:02   back to them

00:18:03   and it

00:18:03   costs like

00:18:04   79 pounds

00:18:05   that's the

00:18:05   excess

00:18:05   on the

00:18:06   app

00:18:06   so I

00:18:07   wanted to

00:18:08   I went to

00:18:09   the app

00:18:09   and I thought

00:18:10   you just press

00:18:10   a few buttons

00:18:11   and they'll

00:18:11   send you it

00:18:11   but no

00:18:12   they're like

00:18:12   you have to

00:18:12   contact our

00:18:13   support team

00:18:14   and you can

00:18:14   do it by

00:18:14   text message

00:18:15   so I'm like

00:18:15   okay

00:18:16   so I'm

00:18:17   sending

00:18:17   text messages

00:18:18   I'm getting

00:18:19   those really

00:18:20   annoying replies

00:18:21   where it's like

00:18:21   we've all

00:18:22   been there

00:18:23   you know

00:18:24   you're talking

00:18:24   to people

00:18:24   like oh

00:18:25   you know

00:18:25   like that

00:18:25   way overly

00:18:27   familiar

00:18:27   just say

00:18:29   I'm sorry

00:18:29   that happened

00:18:30   don't be like

00:18:31   oh I want

00:18:32   to do

00:18:32   oh I understand

00:18:34   why you want

00:18:34   to do

00:18:34   express transfer

00:18:35   because it

00:18:36   would be so

00:18:36   bad to not

00:18:37   have your

00:18:37   phone for a

00:18:38   few days

00:18:38   I'm like

00:18:38   please

00:18:39   please

00:18:40   just leave

00:18:40   me alone

00:18:41   just please

00:18:43   help me

00:18:44   I don't need

00:18:45   this

00:18:45   but you know

00:18:46   they're being

00:18:47   perfectly nice

00:18:48   it's fine

00:18:48   you know

00:18:49   and we're

00:18:49   going through

00:18:50   the process

00:18:50   and they're

00:18:53   like okay

00:18:53   give me your

00:18:55   serial number

00:18:55   do all that

00:18:57   stuff

00:18:57   and they're

00:18:58   like huh

00:18:59   it's not

00:19:01   letting me

00:19:02   complete this

00:19:03   let me just

00:19:04   give me a minute

00:19:06   I'm having a

00:19:06   server issue

00:19:07   I'm like okay

00:19:08   sure

00:19:09   there's a big

00:19:10   server problem

00:19:11   oh no

00:19:13   the data center

00:19:14   it's on fire

00:19:17   I need to go

00:19:17   spin up a

00:19:18   couple of

00:19:18   AI calls

00:19:19   to help me

00:19:20   out with

00:19:20   this one

00:19:20   and they're

00:19:21   like oh

00:19:22   I'm sorry

00:19:22   someone from

00:19:23   our senior

00:19:23   team is

00:19:24   going to have

00:19:24   to get in

00:19:25   contact with

00:19:26   you

00:19:26   and they're

00:19:27   like just

00:19:27   tell us the

00:19:28   time you want

00:19:28   them to call

00:19:29   you today

00:19:29   and we'll have

00:19:30   them to call

00:19:30   and it's like

00:19:31   all right

00:19:31   and the way

00:19:33   that they did

00:19:33   this right

00:19:34   to tell me

00:19:36   give me an

00:19:36   it so I could

00:19:37   indicate to

00:19:38   them like what

00:19:38   time did I

00:19:39   want them to

00:19:40   call me

00:19:40   they sent me

00:19:41   a text that

00:19:42   said 8 a.m.

00:19:44   9 a.m.

00:19:44   10 a.m.

00:19:45   11 a.m.

00:19:45   12 p.m.

00:19:46   1 p.m.

00:19:46   2 p.m.

00:19:47   3 p.m.

00:19:47   it just goes

00:19:47   on for a full

00:19:48   24-hour period

00:19:49   every single

00:19:50   time in a

00:19:50   text message

00:19:51   I'm like what

00:19:53   what is this

00:19:54   what is this

00:19:56   just like what

00:19:57   time what of

00:19:58   these times

00:19:58   would you like

00:19:59   a callback

00:20:00   it's like okay

00:20:01   and I was like

00:20:02   today at 1 p.m.

00:20:03   and they're like

00:20:04   fine

00:20:04   I was like okay

00:20:06   and then 1 p.m.

00:20:07   goes past

00:20:07   1 30 p.m.

00:20:08   goes past

00:20:09   like what is

00:20:09   going on

00:20:10   and I open the

00:20:10   support app

00:20:11   and it's like

00:20:11   1 p.m.

00:20:12   tomorrow

00:20:13   it's like okay

00:20:14   like fine

00:20:15   this is not what

00:20:16   you said was

00:20:17   going to happen

00:20:17   and I was like

00:20:18   why don't I

00:20:19   just try calling

00:20:19   right so I was

00:20:21   like okay

00:20:21   so I give them

00:20:22   a call

00:20:23   they go through

00:20:24   the whole thing

00:20:24   it's always funny

00:20:25   to me that

00:20:26   Apple gives you

00:20:26   a choice

00:20:27   of them

00:20:27   I don't know

00:20:28   if you've ever

00:20:28   called Apple

00:20:29   support

00:20:29   but they give

00:20:30   you a choice

00:20:31   of music style

00:20:32   that you can

00:20:32   listen to

00:20:33   which are being

00:20:33   played from

00:20:34   Apple Music

00:20:34   but the thing

00:20:35   is it's still

00:20:36   a telephone

00:20:37   so the music

00:20:37   sounds atrocious

00:20:39   but it's like

00:20:40   oh I guess

00:20:41   at least I

00:20:41   could choose

00:20:42   what bad

00:20:43   sounding music

00:20:43   I can get

00:20:44   so I chose

00:20:45   jazz

00:20:45   because that

00:20:46   felt like

00:20:46   the right

00:20:47   call for

00:20:48   being on

00:20:48   hold

00:20:49   and I'm

00:20:51   having the

00:20:51   call with

00:20:51   the person

00:20:52   and basically

00:20:53   it dawns on

00:20:55   me as they

00:20:56   start to spell

00:20:57   out the

00:20:57   problem

00:20:58   you have an

00:20:59   American iPhone

00:21:00   oh no

00:21:01   you are in

00:21:05   the UK

00:21:06   oh no

00:21:07   you would

00:21:08   need a

00:21:09   replacement

00:21:09   iPhone

00:21:10   we cannot

00:21:13   replace

00:21:13   your iPhone

00:21:14   right

00:21:16   oh my

00:21:17   like my

00:21:19   iPhone

00:21:19   can't be

00:21:20   replaced

00:21:21   because my

00:21:22   iPhone

00:21:23   is an

00:21:24   eSIM

00:21:24   millimeter wave

00:21:26   phone

00:21:26   now the guy

00:21:28   is saying to

00:21:28   me it's like

00:21:29   I am

00:21:30   he said I

00:21:31   am confident

00:21:32   this can be

00:21:33   done

00:21:33   I just

00:21:34   can't do

00:21:35   it

00:21:35   like it

00:21:36   needs to

00:21:36   go to

00:21:37   a senior

00:21:38   person

00:21:38   who should

00:21:40   be able

00:21:40   to do

00:21:40   this

00:21:41   he's like

00:21:41   what you

00:21:42   can do

00:21:43   though

00:21:43   is just

00:21:44   send us

00:21:44   your phone

00:21:45   and we'll

00:21:45   fix the

00:21:45   screen and

00:21:46   send it

00:21:46   back to

00:21:46   you

00:21:46   he's like

00:21:46   that is

00:21:47   not at

00:21:47   all what

00:21:48   I want

00:21:48   how long

00:21:49   does that

00:21:50   take

00:21:50   I don't

00:21:51   want to

00:21:51   do that

00:21:51   I'm like

00:21:52   fine

00:21:52   I will

00:21:53   wait for

00:21:54   the call

00:21:54   and so

00:21:55   they called

00:21:56   me today

00:21:56   I was a

00:21:57   long call

00:21:58   with the

00:21:58   support

00:21:58   person

00:21:59   cut to

00:22:01   the chase

00:22:02   there's some

00:22:02   details about

00:22:03   the call

00:22:03   they're

00:22:04   going to

00:22:05   do it

00:22:05   they're

00:22:05   just

00:22:05   going to

00:22:05   send me

00:22:06   a UK

00:22:06   phone

00:22:07   I was

00:22:08   confident

00:22:08   this was

00:22:09   a thing

00:22:09   that could

00:22:09   happen

00:22:10   because

00:22:10   Apple

00:22:11   care

00:22:11   has

00:22:12   I looked

00:22:12   through the

00:22:13   terms and

00:22:13   conditions

00:22:13   of Apple

00:22:14   care

00:22:14   they do

00:22:15   offer

00:22:15   worldwide

00:22:16   repair

00:22:17   so you

00:22:18   can have

00:22:19   your phone

00:22:19   fixed

00:22:20   wherever you

00:22:20   are

00:22:21   but the

00:22:21   problem

00:22:22   is

00:22:22   if you

00:22:23   the

00:22:23   asterisk

00:22:24   is

00:22:25   in doing

00:22:26   that

00:22:26   your phone

00:22:27   may be

00:22:28   different

00:22:28   and may

00:22:29   not work

00:22:30   for you

00:22:30   right

00:22:30   so like

00:22:30   if you

00:22:31   were in

00:22:32   France

00:22:32   you're

00:22:34   an

00:22:34   American

00:22:34   in

00:22:35   France

00:22:35   and

00:22:36   what

00:22:36   did

00:22:36   you

00:22:36   say

00:22:36   in

00:22:38   France

00:22:39   that's

00:22:40   fine

00:22:42   it's

00:22:42   totally

00:22:43   fine

00:22:43   okay

00:22:44   Steven

00:22:44   is a

00:22:45   Spanish

00:22:45   person

00:22:45   in

00:22:46   France

00:22:46   it

00:22:47   happens

00:22:47   right

00:22:47   next

00:22:47   door

00:22:48   that's

00:22:50   exactly

00:22:50   how

00:22:50   that

00:22:51   works

00:22:51   you're

00:22:53   fine

00:22:53   if

00:22:53   they

00:22:53   fixed

00:22:54   if

00:22:54   they

00:22:54   did

00:22:54   like

00:22:54   a

00:22:55   swap

00:22:55   for

00:22:55   you

00:22:55   when

00:22:56   you

00:22:56   go

00:22:56   home

00:22:56   you

00:22:56   might

00:22:56   not

00:22:57   be

00:22:57   able

00:22:57   to

00:22:57   connect

00:22:57   to

00:22:57   your

00:22:57   network

00:22:58   say

00:22:58   but

00:22:58   UK

00:22:59   and

00:22:59   US

00:22:59   these

00:23:00   think

00:23:00   they

00:23:00   actually

00:23:01   are

00:23:01   the

00:23:01   exact

00:23:02   same

00:23:02   bands

00:23:03   which

00:23:03   is

00:23:03   why

00:23:03   I

00:23:03   can

00:23:03   do

00:23:04   it

00:23:04   but

00:23:04   the

00:23:04   US

00:23:05   phone

00:23:05   is

00:23:05   no

00:23:05   different

00:23:06   it

00:23:06   has

00:23:06   been

00:23:06   for

00:23:06   a few

00:23:06   years

00:23:07   it has

00:23:07   millimeter wave

00:23:08   as

00:23:08   eSIM

00:23:08   only

00:23:08   like

00:23:09   the guy

00:23:09   said to me

00:23:10   is like

00:23:10   I can

00:23:11   replace this

00:23:12   for you

00:23:12   with a

00:23:12   UK

00:23:13   phone

00:23:13   but it

00:23:14   will be

00:23:14   different

00:23:14   you will

00:23:14   not

00:23:15   have

00:23:15   millimeter

00:23:15   wave

00:23:15   which

00:23:16   doesn't

00:23:16   matter

00:23:16   because

00:23:17   you

00:23:17   can't

00:23:17   get

00:23:17   that

00:23:17   here

00:23:17   anyway

00:23:18   it

00:23:18   doesn't

00:23:18   matter

00:23:18   here

00:23:19   yes

00:23:20   and

00:23:21   he's

00:23:21   like

00:23:21   you

00:23:21   will

00:23:21   have

00:23:21   a

00:23:22   sim

00:23:22   slot

00:23:22   and

00:23:22   like

00:23:22   in

00:23:23   my

00:23:23   mind

00:23:23   I'm

00:23:23   like

00:23:23   I'm

00:23:24   going to

00:23:24   lose

00:23:24   some

00:23:24   battery

00:23:24   life

00:23:25   which

00:23:25   is

00:23:25   nothing

00:23:26   but

00:23:27   it

00:23:27   is

00:23:27   like

00:23:27   my

00:23:28   main

00:23:28   thing

00:23:29   now

00:23:29   is

00:23:29   I'm

00:23:30   going to

00:23:30   get

00:23:30   a

00:23:30   UK

00:23:30   phone

00:23:31   which

00:23:31   has

00:23:31   all

00:23:31   the

00:23:31   ugly

00:23:32   compliance

00:23:34   markings

00:23:35   on it

00:23:35   I'm

00:23:36   not

00:23:36   happy

00:23:36   about

00:23:36   that

00:23:37   I

00:23:37   think

00:23:38   they

00:23:38   did

00:23:38   a

00:23:38   pretty

00:23:38   good

00:23:38   job

00:23:38   of

00:23:39   hiding

00:23:39   those

00:23:39   over

00:23:39   the

00:23:39   years

00:23:40   but

00:23:40   I

00:23:40   don't

00:23:40   want

00:23:41   to

00:23:41   see

00:23:41   them

00:23:41   it's

00:23:41   one

00:23:41   of

00:23:41   the

00:23:42   reasons

00:23:42   I

00:23:42   actually

00:23:42   liked

00:23:43   it

00:23:43   is

00:23:43   it

00:23:43   on the

00:23:43   back

00:23:44   or

00:23:44   on

00:23:44   the

00:23:44   side

00:23:44   rail

00:23:45   now

00:23:45   I

00:24:10   huge

00:24:11   block

00:24:11   on my

00:24:11   card

00:24:12   right

00:24:12   because

00:24:12   it's

00:24:12   the

00:24:13   value

00:24:13   of

00:24:13   the

00:24:13   phone

00:24:14   plus

00:24:15   the

00:24:15   excess

00:24:16   but

00:24:17   they'll

00:24:17   send

00:24:17   me

00:24:17   the

00:24:17   phone

00:24:17   sometime

00:24:18   next

00:24:18   week

00:24:18   I'll

00:24:19   do

00:24:19   the

00:24:19   transfer

00:24:20   and

00:24:20   then

00:24:20   just

00:24:20   send

00:24:21   them

00:24:21   my

00:24:21   broken

00:24:21   phone

00:24:21   back

00:24:22   and

00:24:22   it's

00:24:22   fine

00:24:22   they

00:24:22   don't

00:24:23   charge

00:24:23   me

00:24:23   for

00:24:23   the

00:24:23   iPhone

00:24:24   but

00:24:25   there

00:24:25   was

00:24:25   something

00:24:25   on

00:24:26   the

00:24:26   call

00:24:26   which

00:24:26   was

00:24:27   really

00:24:27   interesting

00:24:27   so

00:24:28   he's

00:24:28   like

00:24:28   he

00:24:29   needed

00:24:29   to

00:24:29   check

00:24:29   something

00:24:30   I

00:24:30   don't

00:24:30   know

00:24:31   what

00:24:31   it

00:24:31   was

00:24:31   but

00:24:32   to

00:24:32   do

00:24:33   it

00:24:33   I

00:24:33   had

00:24:33   to

00:24:33   turn

00:24:33   off

00:24:34   find

00:24:34   my

00:24:34   I'm

00:24:36   not

00:24:36   sure

00:24:37   what

00:24:37   it

00:24:37   was

00:24:38   he

00:24:39   had

00:24:39   something

00:24:39   he

00:24:40   needed

00:24:40   to

00:24:40   check

00:24:40   and

00:24:41   I

00:24:41   had

00:24:41   to

00:24:41   turn

00:24:41   off

00:24:42   find

00:24:42   my

00:24:42   to

00:24:42   do

00:24:42   it

00:24:42   so

00:24:43   I

00:24:44   went

00:24:44   to

00:24:44   it

00:24:44   I

00:24:44   can't

00:24:45   turn

00:24:46   off

00:24:46   find

00:24:46   my

00:24:46   because

00:24:47   I

00:24:47   have

00:24:48   stolen

00:24:48   device

00:24:49   protection

00:24:50   on

00:24:50   he's

00:24:51   like

00:24:51   you

00:24:53   can

00:24:53   try

00:24:53   turning

00:24:54   that

00:24:54   off

00:24:54   but

00:24:54   it

00:24:54   might

00:24:54   have

00:24:55   a

00:24:55   security

00:24:55   delay

00:24:56   he

00:24:58   was

00:24:58   let

00:24:59   he's

00:24:59   like

00:24:59   if

00:25:00   you're

00:25:00   okay

00:25:00   with

00:25:00   it

00:25:00   let

00:25:01   me

00:25:01   see

00:25:01   your

00:25:01   screen

00:25:02   and

00:25:04   okay

00:25:04   and

00:25:05   then

00:25:05   I

00:25:05   get

00:25:05   a

00:25:05   little

00:25:06   pop

00:25:06   up

00:25:06   on

00:25:06   my

00:25:06   phone

00:25:06   and

00:25:07   it's

00:25:07   like

00:25:07   will

00:25:09   you

00:25:09   allow

00:25:10   Apple

00:25:10   support

00:25:11   to

00:25:11   view

00:25:11   your

00:25:12   screen

00:25:12   this

00:25:14   is

00:25:14   a

00:25:14   telephone

00:25:15   call

00:25:15   right

00:25:16   yeah

00:25:17   like

00:25:17   this

00:25:17   isn't

00:25:17   a

00:25:18   FaceTime

00:25:18   call

00:25:18   this

00:25:19   is

00:25:19   happening

00:25:19   over

00:25:20   a

00:25:20   telephone

00:25:21   call

00:25:21   fascinating

00:25:22   stuff

00:25:22   and

00:25:24   so

00:25:25   he's

00:25:25   seeing

00:25:25   my

00:25:25   screen

00:25:26   this

00:25:26   little

00:25:27   arrow

00:25:27   appears

00:25:27   on

00:25:28   my

00:25:28   phone

00:25:28   and

00:25:30   he's

00:25:31   just

00:25:31   like

00:25:31   moving

00:25:32   the

00:25:32   arrow

00:25:32   around

00:25:33   he's

00:25:33   like

00:25:33   click

00:25:33   here

00:25:33   click

00:25:34   here

00:25:34   but

00:25:35   my

00:25:35   favorite

00:25:35   part

00:25:36   is

00:25:36   when

00:25:36   he

00:25:36   tells

00:25:36   me

00:25:36   somewhere

00:25:37   to

00:25:37   click

00:25:37   the

00:25:37   arrow

00:25:38   starts

00:25:38   like

00:25:39   moving

00:25:39   left

00:25:40   and

00:25:40   right

00:25:40   to

00:25:40   point

00:25:41   it's

00:25:41   like

00:25:42   here

00:25:42   it's

00:25:42   like

00:25:42   right

00:25:43   there

00:25:43   no

00:25:43   it's

00:25:44   great

00:25:44   I

00:25:44   mean

00:25:44   doing

00:25:46   support

00:25:46   over

00:25:46   the

00:25:47   phone

00:25:47   can

00:25:47   be

00:25:47   really

00:25:47   frustrating

00:25:48   if

00:25:48   someone's

00:25:49   not

00:25:49   familiar

00:25:49   with

00:25:50   what

00:25:50   you're

00:25:50   trying

00:25:50   to

00:25:50   tell

00:25:51   them

00:25:57   they

00:25:58   just

00:25:58   very

00:25:59   quickly

00:25:59   that

00:25:59   I

00:25:59   knew

00:25:59   what

00:26:00   I

00:26:00   was

00:26:00   doing

00:26:00   and

00:26:01   I

00:26:01   think

00:26:01   really

00:26:01   it

00:26:01   was

00:26:02   just

00:26:02   for him

00:26:02   to be

00:26:03   able

00:26:03   to

00:26:03   see

00:26:04   but

00:26:04   it

00:26:05   ended

00:26:06   up

00:26:06   being

00:26:06   fine

00:26:06   because

00:26:07   my

00:26:07   I'm

00:26:08   at

00:26:08   my

00:26:08   studio

00:26:09   and

00:26:10   that

00:26:10   has

00:26:10   been

00:26:10   designated

00:26:11   as a

00:26:11   known

00:26:11   location

00:26:12   right

00:26:13   because

00:26:13   you

00:26:13   remember

00:26:13   with

00:26:14   the

00:26:14   stolen

00:26:14   device

00:26:14   protection

00:26:15   you

00:26:16   don't

00:26:16   have

00:26:16   security

00:26:17   delays

00:26:17   at

00:26:17   places

00:26:18   that

00:26:18   are

00:26:18   known

00:26:19   locations

00:26:20   but

00:26:20   you

00:26:20   cannot

00:26:20   define

00:26:21   those

00:26:21   Apple

00:26:22   defines

00:26:22   those

00:26:22   but

00:26:23   I'm

00:26:24   here

00:26:24   enough

00:26:24   that

00:26:25   it

00:26:25   knows

00:26:25   right

00:26:25   and

00:26:27   so

00:26:27   I

00:26:27   turned

00:26:28   it

00:26:28   off

00:26:28   turned

00:26:28   off

00:26:29   find

00:26:29   my

00:26:29   and

00:26:29   he

00:26:29   was

00:26:30   able

00:26:30   to

00:26:30   get

00:26:30   what

00:26:34   my

00:26:34   phone

00:26:35   but

00:26:35   okay

00:26:35   man

00:26:36   this

00:26:36   phone

00:26:37   is

00:26:37   just

00:26:38   destroyed

00:26:39   yeah

00:26:40   so

00:26:41   what

00:26:41   are

00:26:41   we

00:26:41   thinking

00:26:41   chat

00:26:42   he

00:26:42   should

00:26:42   have

00:26:43   grabbed

00:26:43   the

00:26:43   phone

00:26:43   instead

00:26:44   of

00:26:44   the

00:26:44   baby

00:26:44   right

00:26:44   I

00:26:45   mean

00:26:46   that's

00:26:46   the

00:26:46   takeaway

00:26:47   I'm

00:26:48   sorry

00:26:48   we're

00:26:49   all

00:26:49   thinking

00:26:49   it

00:26:50   right

00:26:50   I

00:26:50   mean

00:26:50   it's

00:26:51   not

00:26:51   just

00:26:51   me

00:26:52   the

00:26:52   baby

00:26:52   was

00:26:52   in

00:26:52   a

00:26:52   buggy

00:26:53   the

00:26:53   baby

00:26:53   had

00:26:53   a

00:26:54   case

00:26:54   on

00:26:54   I

00:26:55   didn't

00:26:56   have

00:26:56   a

00:26:56   case

00:26:56   on

00:26:56   if

00:26:57   you

00:26:57   think

00:26:57   about

00:26:57   it

00:26:57   you

00:26:57   know

00:26:58   like

00:26:59   that

00:26:59   is

00:26:59   like

00:26:59   an

00:26:59   impact

00:27:00   case

00:27:00   that's

00:27:00   like

00:27:00   one

00:27:01   of

00:27:01   those

00:27:01   she's

00:27:01   in

00:27:01   an

00:27:01   otter

00:27:02   box

00:27:02   you

00:27:02   know

00:27:03   look

00:27:04   all

00:27:04   I'm

00:27:04   saying

00:27:05   is

00:27:05   in

00:27:05   hindsight

00:27:06   in

00:27:07   hindsight

00:27:07   yes

00:27:08   because

00:27:09   nothing

00:27:11   would have

00:27:11   happened

00:27:11   to her

00:27:12   like

00:27:12   the

00:27:12   buggy

00:27:13   just

00:27:13   moved

00:27:13   forward

00:27:13   a

00:27:14   little

00:27:14   bit

00:27:14   but

00:27:14   I

00:27:14   just

00:27:15   it

00:27:15   was

00:27:15   hilarious

00:27:16   what

00:27:16   I

00:27:16   did

00:27:16   was

00:27:16   I

00:27:17   just

00:27:17   let

00:27:17   go

00:27:18   of

00:27:18   my

00:27:18   phone

00:27:18   is

00:27:19   what

00:27:19   happened

00:27:19   yeah

00:27:19   like

00:27:20   you're

00:27:22   good

00:27:22   dad

00:27:22   you're

00:27:22   good

00:27:23   dad

00:27:23   well

00:27:23   I've

00:27:23   learned

00:27:24   a

00:27:24   valuable

00:27:24   lesson

00:27:24   which

00:27:26   is

00:27:26   a

00:27:26   good

00:27:26   I'm

00:27:26   happy

00:27:26   I've

00:27:27   learned

00:27:27   this

00:27:27   lesson

00:27:27   you

00:27:29   cannot

00:27:29   hold

00:27:30   your

00:27:30   phone

00:27:30   and

00:27:31   push

00:27:31   a

00:27:31   buggy

00:27:31   I've

00:27:32   learned

00:27:32   this

00:27:32   lesson

00:27:32   now

00:27:33   you

00:27:33   can't

00:27:33   do

00:27:33   it

00:27:33   so

00:27:34   if

00:27:35   I

00:27:35   need

00:27:35   to

00:27:35   do

00:27:36   it

00:27:36   I

00:27:36   have

00:27:36   to

00:27:36   straight

00:27:36   up

00:27:37   stop

00:27:37   break

00:27:37   on

00:27:38   like

00:27:38   the

00:27:38   whole

00:27:39   nine

00:27:39   yards

00:27:39   right

00:27:40   like

00:27:40   where

00:27:40   it

00:27:41   can't

00:27:41   be

00:27:41   or

00:27:42   boys

00:27:42   I

00:27:43   thought

00:27:44   about

00:27:44   this

00:27:44   lanyard

00:27:45   yes

00:27:46   yes

00:27:46   yes

00:27:47   it

00:27:48   would

00:27:48   have

00:27:48   saved

00:27:48   me

00:27:48   right

00:27:49   it

00:27:49   would

00:27:49   have

00:27:50   the

00:27:50   lanyard

00:27:50   case

00:27:51   would

00:27:51   have

00:27:51   saved

00:27:51   me

00:27:52   now

00:27:52   that

00:27:53   you

00:27:53   are

00:27:53   going

00:27:54   to

00:27:54   be

00:27:54   in

00:27:54   situations

00:27:55   where

00:27:55   both

00:27:55   of

00:27:55   your

00:27:56   hands

00:27:56   are

00:27:56   going

00:27:56   to

00:27:56   be

00:27:56   busy

00:27:57   doing

00:27:57   something

00:27:58   else

00:27:58   like

00:27:58   pushing

00:27:58   a

00:27:59   baby

00:27:59   you

00:28:00   gonna

00:28:01   need

00:28:01   the

00:28:02   what's

00:28:02   it

00:28:02   called

00:28:03   what's

00:28:03   your

00:28:03   official

00:28:03   name

00:28:03   cross

00:28:04   body

00:28:04   strap

00:28:04   the

00:28:05   cross

00:28:05   body

00:28:05   I

00:28:05   have

00:28:05   one

00:28:06   for

00:28:06   my

00:28:06   air

00:28:07   but

00:28:08   the

00:28:08   problem

00:28:09   is

00:28:09   I

00:28:09   need

00:28:16   cross

00:28:17   body

00:28:18   strap

00:28:18   on

00:28:18   it

00:28:19   and

00:28:19   I'm

00:28:19   ready

00:28:20   to

00:28:20   go

00:28:20   it's

00:28:20   like

00:28:20   I

00:28:21   have

00:28:21   a

00:28:22   cross

00:28:24   body

00:28:25   bag

00:28:25   when

00:28:26   I'm

00:28:26   with

00:28:27   the

00:28:27   baby

00:28:27   I

00:28:27   put

00:28:27   that

00:28:28   on

00:28:28   all

00:28:29   kinds

00:28:29   of

00:28:29   stuff

00:28:29   that

00:28:30   I

00:28:30   need

00:28:30   so

00:28:31   yeah

00:28:31   that's

00:28:32   my

00:28:32   story

00:28:32   my

00:28:33   iPhone

00:28:33   is

00:28:33   ruined

00:28:33   that's

00:28:34   rough

00:28:35   I'm

00:28:36   very

00:28:36   happy

00:28:36   I

00:28:36   got

00:28:36   Apple

00:28:36   care

00:28:37   because

00:28:38   my

00:28:40   phone

00:28:40   is

00:28:40   1,400

00:28:42   pounds

00:28:42   and I

00:28:43   do not

00:28:43   want to

00:28:43   buy

00:28:44   another

00:28:44   one

00:28:44   no

00:28:45   no

00:28:45   no

00:28:46   thank

00:28:46   you

00:28:47   a

00:28:48   little

00:28:48   quick

00:28:48   research

00:28:49   while

00:28:49   you're

00:28:49   speaking

00:28:50   indicates

00:28:50   that

00:28:51   you

00:28:51   are

00:28:51   going

00:28:51   to

00:28:51   lose

00:28:52   6.6

00:28:53   percent

00:28:53   of

00:28:53   your

00:28:53   battery

00:28:54   capacity

00:28:54   no

00:28:55   nice

00:28:57   fun

00:28:58   thank

00:28:58   you

00:28:58   for

00:28:58   that

00:28:59   research

00:28:59   how

00:28:59   did

00:29:00   you

00:29:00   do

00:29:00   that

00:29:00   I

00:29:00   found

00:29:01   a

00:29:01   mac

00:29:02   rumors

00:29:02   article

00:29:02   that

00:29:03   compared

00:29:03   the

00:29:03   numbers

00:29:04   and

00:29:04   then

00:29:04   I

00:29:04   did

00:29:04   a

00:29:05   little

00:29:05   math

00:29:05   to

00:29:05   get

00:29:05   the

00:29:06   percentage

00:29:06   difference

00:29:06   between

00:29:06   the

00:29:07   two

00:29:07   beautiful

00:29:08   wow

00:29:09   yeah

00:29:10   that's

00:29:10   really

00:29:11   not

00:29:11   not

00:29:11   that

00:29:11   bad

00:29:11   and

00:29:12   I

00:29:15   experience

00:29:15   so far

00:29:16   is that

00:29:16   the

00:29:16   the

00:29:18   17

00:29:18   pro

00:29:19   battery

00:29:19   life

00:29:20   is

00:29:20   unbelievably

00:29:21   good

00:29:21   yeah

00:29:22   so

00:29:22   you're

00:29:23   going to

00:29:23   be fine

00:29:23   I think

00:29:23   yeah

00:29:24   it's super

00:29:24   good

00:29:25   I mean

00:29:25   really

00:29:25   it's just

00:29:26   like

00:29:26   I don't

00:29:27   have a

00:29:27   sim card

00:29:28   so I

00:29:28   don't

00:29:28   want a

00:29:29   sim tray

00:29:29   yeah

00:29:30   right

00:29:31   like

00:29:31   like

00:29:31   that's

00:29:31   the

00:29:31   thing

00:29:32   that

00:29:32   annoys

00:29:32   me

00:29:32   it's

00:29:33   like

00:29:33   I'm

00:29:33   now

00:29:33   going

00:29:34   to

00:29:34   have

00:29:34   I'm

00:29:34   actually

00:29:35   going

00:29:35   to

00:29:35   have

00:29:35   two

00:29:36   blemishes

00:29:36   I don't

00:29:36   want

00:29:37   on my

00:29:37   phone

00:29:37   I'm

00:29:37   going

00:29:37   to have

00:29:38   the

00:29:38   sim tray

00:29:38   and

00:29:39   the

00:29:39   I don't

00:29:41   know what

00:29:41   they're

00:29:42   called

00:29:42   the

00:29:42   safety

00:29:42   certifications

00:29:43   which I

00:29:44   don't

00:29:44   even

00:29:44   understand

00:29:44   why

00:29:45   they

00:29:45   exist

00:29:45   yeah

00:29:46   see in

00:29:46   America

00:29:47   we don't

00:29:47   the

00:29:48   government's

00:29:48   out of our

00:29:48   phones

00:29:49   you know

00:29:49   well no

00:29:50   see

00:29:51   this is

00:29:51   the

00:29:51   I know

00:29:52   it's a

00:29:52   phone

00:29:52   but

00:29:53   yours

00:29:53   are

00:29:53   in

00:29:54   the

00:29:54   settings

00:29:54   app

00:29:54   where

00:29:55   they

00:29:55   should

00:29:55   be

00:29:56   they

00:29:56   don't

00:29:56   need

00:29:57   to be

00:29:57   stamped

00:29:57   on the

00:29:58   side

00:29:58   of

00:29:58   the

00:29:58   phone

00:29:58   yeah

00:29:59   when

00:29:59   has

00:29:59   ever

00:29:59   anybody

00:30:00   ever

00:30:00   looked

00:30:00   at

00:30:00   the

00:30:00   side

00:30:01   of

00:30:01   an

00:30:01   iPhone

00:30:01   and be

00:30:01   like

00:30:01   oh

00:30:02   this

00:30:02   has

00:30:02   you know

00:30:03   I don't

00:30:03   even

00:30:22   you always

00:30:23   want the

00:30:23   stories

00:30:24   you know

00:30:24   that's

00:30:25   right

00:30:25   okay

00:30:27   Federico

00:30:28   you

00:30:28   wrote a

00:30:29   story

00:30:29   over

00:30:30   on

00:30:30   Mac

00:30:30   Stories

00:30:31   about

00:30:31   using

00:30:31   LLMs

00:30:32   for

00:30:32   data

00:30:32   portability

00:30:33   what's

00:30:34   yes

00:30:34   have you

00:30:36   just

00:30:36   made a

00:30:36   way

00:30:36   to

00:30:36   switch

00:30:37   between

00:30:37   to do

00:30:37   apps

00:30:38   faster

00:30:39   yes

00:30:40   so I

00:30:41   was

00:30:41   listening

00:30:41   to

00:30:41   Cortex

00:30:42   the

00:30:42   episode

00:30:43   with

00:30:43   Casey

00:30:43   Newton

00:30:43   a couple

00:30:44   of

00:30:44   weeks

00:30:45   ago

00:30:45   and

00:30:46   something

00:30:46   that

00:30:46   Mike

00:30:46   said

00:30:47   at

00:30:47   some

00:30:47   point

00:30:48   sort

00:30:49   of

00:30:49   pushed

00:30:49   me

00:30:49   to

00:30:49   finally

00:30:50   publish

00:30:50   this

00:30:51   story

00:30:51   that's

00:30:51   been on

00:30:52   my mind

00:30:52   for a

00:30:52   while

00:30:53   Mike

00:30:54   mentioned

00:30:54   how he

00:30:55   wished

00:30:55   that it

00:30:55   was

00:30:56   possible

00:30:56   to

00:30:56   move

00:30:57   between

00:30:57   task

00:30:57   managers

00:30:58   like

00:30:58   you

00:30:58   can

00:30:58   with

00:30:58   email

00:30:59   clients

00:30:59   and

00:31:00   that's

00:31:00   because

00:31:00   email

00:31:00   clients

00:31:01   are all

00:31:01   just

00:31:01   talking

00:31:02   to

00:31:02   an

00:31:02   email

00:31:02   server

00:31:02   so it

00:31:03   doesn't

00:31:03   really

00:31:04   matter

00:31:04   which

00:31:04   client

00:31:05   you're

00:31:05   using

00:31:05   the

00:31:05   emails

00:31:06   and

00:31:06   the

00:31:06   data

00:31:07   is

00:31:07   always

00:31:07   the

00:31:07   same

00:31:08   but

00:31:08   the

00:31:08   same

00:31:08   is

00:31:08   not

00:31:09   true

00:31:09   for

00:31:09   task

00:31:09   managers

00:31:10   because

00:31:10   one

00:31:11   there's

00:31:11   no

00:31:11   centralized

00:31:11   location

00:31:12   for

00:31:12   task

00:31:12   managers

00:31:13   and

00:31:13   also

00:31:22   so

00:31:22   whenever

00:31:23   you

00:31:23   want

00:31:23   to

00:31:23   move

00:31:23   between

00:31:24   task

00:31:24   managers

00:31:24   it's

00:31:25   a

00:31:25   whole

00:31:25   thing

00:31:25   but

00:31:27   something

00:31:27   that

00:31:27   I've

00:31:27   noticed

00:31:28   over

00:31:28   the

00:31:28   past

00:31:28   year

00:31:29   especially

00:31:30   with

00:31:30   LLMs

00:31:31   that

00:31:31   have

00:31:31   these

00:31:32   integrations

00:31:32   these

00:31:33   MCP

00:31:35   connectors

00:31:36   whatever you

00:31:36   want to

00:31:36   call them

00:31:37   is that

00:31:38   you

00:31:39   can

00:31:40   now

00:31:40   make

00:31:41   this

00:31:41   process

00:31:41   not

00:31:42   just

00:31:42   for

00:31:42   task

00:31:42   managers

00:31:43   but

00:31:43   for

00:31:43   all

00:31:44   kinds

00:31:44   of

00:31:44   apps

00:31:44   easier

00:31:45   especially

00:31:47   with

00:31:47   modern

00:31:48   LLMs

00:31:49   that

00:31:49   are

00:31:50   basically

00:31:50   just

00:31:51   running

00:31:51   code

00:31:51   and

00:31:52   don't

00:31:52   hallucinate

00:31:53   or

00:31:53   change

00:31:54   your

00:31:54   data

00:31:54   because

00:31:55   they're

00:31:55   just

00:31:55   running

00:31:55   a

00:31:56   snippet

00:31:56   of

00:31:56   code

00:31:57   really

00:31:57   behind

00:31:58   the

00:31:58   scenes

00:31:58   it's

00:31:59   so

00:31:59   much

00:31:59   easier

00:31:59   to

00:32:00   move

00:32:00   data

00:32:00   between

00:32:01   apps

00:32:01   because

00:32:03   it's

00:32:03   almost

00:32:03   like

00:32:03   you're

00:32:04   essentially

00:32:04   writing

00:32:05   a

00:32:06   script

00:32:07   to do

00:32:07   it

00:32:07   but

00:32:08   you're

00:32:08   not

00:32:08   actually

00:32:08   doing

00:32:09   it

00:32:09   the

00:32:09   AI

00:32:10   is

00:32:10   doing

00:32:10   it

00:32:11   and

00:32:11   so

00:32:11   that's

00:32:12   what

00:32:12   I've

00:32:12   been

00:32:12   doing

00:32:13   lately

00:32:13   switching

00:32:14   back

00:32:14   and

00:32:14   forth

00:32:15   between

00:32:15   Reminders

00:32:16   and

00:32:16   Todoist

00:32:16   super

00:32:17   easy

00:32:17   like

00:32:17   just

00:32:18   use

00:32:18   Claude

00:32:18   connect

00:32:19   Claude

00:32:20   to

00:32:20   both

00:32:20   of

00:32:20   them

00:32:20   on

00:32:21   iOS

00:32:21   and

00:32:22   just

00:32:22   say

00:32:23   move

00:32:23   all

00:32:23   like

00:32:24   I've

00:32:24   done

00:32:24   it

00:32:24   both

00:32:25   ways

00:32:26   a

00:32:26   couple

00:32:27   of

00:32:27   times

00:32:27   over

00:32:27   the

00:32:27   past

00:32:27   month

00:32:28   just

00:32:29   say

00:32:29   recreate

00:32:30   my

00:32:30   entire

00:32:30   Reminders

00:32:31   setup

00:32:31   in

00:32:32   Todoist

00:32:32   like

00:32:32   all

00:32:33   the

00:32:33   projects

00:32:33   all

00:32:34   the

00:32:34   tasks

00:32:34   all

00:32:35   the

00:32:35   due

00:32:35   dates

00:32:35   all

00:32:35   the

00:32:35   notes

00:32:36   and

00:32:36   it

00:32:36   works

00:32:37   and

00:32:37   I've

00:32:37   also

00:32:43   this

00:32:43   works

00:32:44   for

00:32:44   all

00:32:45   kinds

00:32:45   of

00:32:46   things

00:32:46   like

00:32:46   let

00:32:47   me

00:32:47   turn

00:32:47   this

00:32:48   list

00:32:48   of

00:32:48   songs

00:32:48   into

00:32:49   a

00:32:49   playlist

00:32:50   in

00:32:50   Spotify

00:32:50   if you

00:32:51   have

00:32:51   Spotify

00:32:51   connected

00:32:52   you

00:32:52   can

00:32:52   do

00:32:52   it

00:32:52   or

00:32:53   and

00:32:54   it

00:32:54   goes

00:32:54   even

00:32:54   like

00:32:54   deeper

00:32:55   than

00:32:55   that

00:32:55   in

00:32:55   that

00:32:56   all

00:32:57   all

00:32:57   these

00:32:57   LLMs

00:32:57   they

00:32:58   have

00:32:58   basic

00:32:58   OCR

00:32:59   features

00:33:00   so

00:33:00   if

00:33:00   you

00:33:00   want

00:33:01   to

00:33:01   take

00:33:01   the

00:33:01   data

00:33:01   out

00:33:02   of

00:33:02   an

00:33:02   image

00:33:02   like

00:33:03   a

00:33:03   screenshot

00:33:03   and

00:33:04   put

00:33:04   it

00:33:04   somewhere

00:33:05   else

00:33:05   like

00:33:05   in

00:33:05   Notion

00:33:06   or

00:33:06   in

00:33:06   Apple

00:33:07   Notes

00:33:07   you

00:33:07   can

00:33:08   also

00:33:08   do

00:33:08   that

00:33:08   with

00:33:09   the

00:33:09   right

00:33:09   extension

00:33:10   so

00:33:10   this

00:33:10   idea

00:33:11   of

00:33:11   these

00:33:12   systems

00:33:12   are

00:33:13   silos

00:33:13   by

00:33:14   default

00:33:14   but

00:33:15   if

00:33:16   they

00:33:16   support

00:33:17   LLM

00:33:19   integration

00:33:19   you

00:33:20   can

00:33:20   sort

00:33:20   of

00:33:20   use

00:33:20   the

00:33:21   LLM

00:33:21   as

00:33:21   a

00:33:21   bridge

00:33:21   between

00:33:22   them

00:33:22   to

00:33:23   move

00:33:23   your

00:33:23   data

00:33:24   from

00:33:24   one

00:33:24   app

00:33:24   to

00:33:25   another

00:33:25   and

00:33:26   then

00:33:26   it

00:33:26   feels

00:33:26   like

00:33:26   a

00:33:26   good

00:33:26   way

00:33:27   to

00:33:27   not

00:33:28   have

00:33:28   to

00:33:28   deal

00:33:29   with

00:33:29   the

00:33:30   truly

00:33:30   anti-competitive

00:33:34   is not

00:33:34   the word

00:33:35   but

00:33:35   user

00:33:35   hostile

00:33:36   export

00:33:37   features

00:33:37   that

00:33:37   a lot

00:33:37   of

00:33:38   these

00:33:38   apps

00:33:38   have

00:33:38   where

00:33:38   it's

00:33:39   like

00:33:39   here's

00:33:39   just

00:33:39   a

00:33:40   text

00:33:40   file

00:33:40   yeah

00:33:41   yeah

00:33:42   yeah

00:33:42   yeah

00:33:42   when you

00:33:43   take

00:33:43   data

00:33:43   out

00:33:43   of

00:33:44   Notion

00:33:44   it's

00:33:44   like

00:33:44   yes

00:33:44   here's

00:33:45   all

00:33:45   your

00:33:45   pages

00:33:45   as

00:33:46   CSV

00:33:51   really

00:33:51   is

00:33:52   that

00:33:52   good

00:33:53   not

00:33:55   really

00:33:55   so

00:33:56   I

00:33:56   think

00:33:56   it's

00:33:57   interesting

00:33:57   in

00:33:57   that

00:33:58   it

00:34:00   almost

00:34:00   feels

00:34:00   like

00:34:00   a

00:34:00   byproduct

00:34:01   of

00:34:01   these

00:34:02   systems

00:34:02   where

00:34:03   they

00:34:03   obviously

00:34:04   were

00:34:04   not

00:34:04   designed

00:34:05   for

00:34:06   data

00:34:06   portability

00:34:07   in

00:34:07   mind

00:34:07   and

00:34:08   even

00:34:08   when

00:34:08   they

00:34:08   roll

00:34:09   out

00:34:09   these

00:34:09   app

00:34:10   integrations

00:34:11   that's

00:34:11   not

00:34:11   the

00:34:12   angle

00:34:12   that's

00:34:13   not

00:34:13   how

00:34:13   these

00:34:13   integrations

00:34:14   are

00:34:14   pitched

00:34:14   but

00:34:15   that's

00:34:15   how

00:34:15   they

00:34:16   work

00:34:16   and

00:34:16   that's

00:34:16   how

00:34:17   you

00:34:17   can

00:34:17   use

00:34:17   them

00:34:17   and

00:34:18   I

00:34:18   think

00:34:18   ultimately

00:34:19   it's

00:34:21   that

00:34:22   as

00:34:22   long

00:34:22   as

00:34:23   a

00:34:23   service

00:34:23   is

00:34:23   connected

00:34:24   to

00:34:24   Gemini

00:34:25   or

00:34:25   Cloud

00:34:26   or

00:34:26   whatever

00:34:26   you

00:34:27   can

00:34:28   use

00:34:28   that

00:34:28   as

00:34:29   a

00:34:29   little

00:34:29   trick

00:34:29   to

00:34:30   move

00:34:30   data

00:34:30   between

00:34:31   services

00:34:31   that

00:34:31   typically

00:34:32   do

00:34:32   not

00:34:32   support

00:34:33   each

00:34:33   other

00:34:33   and

00:34:34   I

00:34:34   think

00:34:34   it's

00:34:34   pretty

00:34:35   neat

00:34:35   it is

00:34:37   super

00:34:38   cool

00:34:38   as

00:34:38   someone

00:34:39   who

00:34:39   has

00:34:39   done

00:34:40   the

00:34:40   task

00:34:40   manager

00:34:41   dance

00:34:41   I

00:34:41   know

00:34:42   this

00:34:42   is

00:34:42   one

00:34:42   example

00:34:43   of

00:34:43   what

00:34:43   this

00:34:43   technology

00:34:44   can

00:34:44   do

00:34:44   it's

00:34:45   like

00:34:45   yeah

00:34:45   I'm

00:34:45   going

00:34:45   to

00:34:45   take

00:34:46   three

00:34:46   hours

00:34:46   out

00:34:46   of

00:34:46   my

00:34:47   day

00:34:47   and

00:34:47   move

00:34:47   between

00:34:48   reminders

00:34:49   and

00:34:49   Todoist

00:34:49   and

00:34:49   then

00:34:50   back

00:34:50   eight

00:34:51   months

00:34:51   later

00:34:51   you know

00:34:52   very

00:34:53   cool

00:34:53   yeah

00:34:54   I

00:34:54   think

00:34:55   it

00:34:55   is

00:34:56   a

00:34:56   good

00:34:58   example

00:34:58   of

00:34:59   how

00:35:00   this

00:35:01   like

00:35:01   heavy

00:35:01   text

00:35:02   based

00:35:02   processing

00:35:03   can be

00:35:04   useful

00:35:04   right

00:35:05   well

00:35:05   like

00:35:05   just

00:35:06   what

00:35:06   these

00:35:06   systems

00:35:06   are

00:35:07   best

00:35:07   at

00:35:07   well

00:35:08   just

00:35:09   what

00:35:09   these

00:35:09   systems

00:35:09   can

00:35:09   be

00:35:10   good

00:35:10   at

00:35:10   is

00:35:11   dealing

00:35:11   with

00:35:12   large

00:35:12   amounts

00:35:12   of

00:35:12   text

00:35:13   yeah

00:35:13   I

00:35:13   mean

00:35:13   I'm

00:35:15   going to

00:35:15   be that

00:35:15   guy

00:35:15   I'm

00:35:16   just

00:35:16   going

00:35:16   to

00:35:16   ask

00:35:16   you

00:35:16   do

00:35:17   you

00:35:17   not

00:35:17   worry

00:35:18   about

00:35:18   it

00:35:19   getting

00:35:19   it

00:35:19   changing

00:35:20   things

00:35:20   no

00:35:21   I

00:35:21   always

00:35:21   verify

00:35:22   and

00:35:23   I

00:35:23   can

00:35:23   tell

00:35:24   you

00:35:24   like

00:35:24   it's

00:35:24   it's

00:35:26   it's

00:35:26   it's

00:35:27   been

00:35:27   it's

00:35:27   been

00:35:27   essentially

00:35:28   spot on

00:35:28   like

00:35:29   for me

00:35:29   first

00:35:30   you

00:35:31   can

00:35:31   always

00:35:31   inspect

00:35:32   like

00:35:32   I

00:35:32   highly

00:35:33   recommend

00:35:33   using

00:35:33   a

00:35:34   reasoning

00:35:34   model

00:35:34   when

00:35:35   you're

00:35:35   doing

00:35:35   this

00:35:35   kind

00:35:35   of

00:35:35   transfer

00:35:36   why

00:35:37   because

00:35:38   because

00:35:38   the

00:35:38   model

00:35:39   is

00:35:39   gonna

00:35:39   think

00:35:41   quote

00:35:42   unquote

00:35:42   think

00:35:42   the

00:35:43   model

00:35:43   is

00:35:43   going

00:35:43   to

00:35:43   sequentially

00:35:46   run

00:35:46   through

00:35:47   all

00:35:47   the

00:35:47   steps

00:35:48   needed

00:35:48   instead

00:35:49   of

00:35:49   like

00:35:49   cutting

00:35:50   corners

00:35:50   and

00:35:51   saying

00:35:51   that

00:35:51   it

00:35:51   did

00:35:52   something

00:35:52   when

00:35:52   it

00:35:52   really

00:35:53   didn't

00:35:53   which

00:35:53   is a

00:35:54   common

00:35:54   trait

00:35:54   of

00:35:54   non-reasoning

00:35:55   models

00:35:56   right

00:35:56   especially

00:35:56   especially

00:35:56   when

00:35:57   they're

00:35:57   running

00:35:57   against

00:35:59   context

00:35:59   window

00:36:00   limits

00:36:00   that

00:36:00   is a

00:36:01   common

00:36:01   trait

00:36:01   of

00:36:01   all

00:36:02   LLMs

00:36:02   they're

00:36:02   gonna

00:36:02   cut

00:36:03   corners

00:36:03   and

00:36:03   they're

00:36:03   gonna

00:36:03   say

00:36:04   I

00:36:04   cannot

00:36:04   do

00:36:04   this

00:36:05   or

00:36:05   I

00:36:05   did

00:36:05   this

00:36:06   when

00:36:06   it's

00:36:06   not

00:36:06   true

00:36:06   and

00:36:07   it's

00:36:07   much

00:36:08   less

00:36:08   likely

00:36:08   with

00:36:08   the

00:36:09   reasoning

00:36:09   model

00:36:09   especially

00:36:11   when

00:36:11   you

00:36:11   tell

00:36:11   it

00:36:12   you

00:36:12   need

00:36:12   to

00:36:12   think

00:36:12   sequentially

00:36:13   here

00:36:13   and

00:36:13   move

00:36:14   step

00:36:14   by

00:36:14   step

00:36:14   like

00:36:15   one

00:36:15   project

00:36:15   at

00:36:16   a

00:36:16   time

00:36:16   or

00:36:16   one

00:36:16   task

00:36:17   at

00:36:17   a

00:36:17   time

00:36:17   you

00:36:18   can

00:36:18   inspect

00:36:19   that

00:36:19   chain

00:36:19   of

00:36:19   thought

00:36:20   and

00:36:20   see

00:36:20   the

00:36:20   steps

00:36:21   actually

00:36:21   happening

00:36:21   and

00:36:22   it

00:36:22   also

00:36:22   helps

00:36:23   that

00:36:23   you

00:36:25   can

00:36:25   also

00:36:25   verify

00:36:26   the

00:36:27   actual

00:36:27   connections

00:36:28   that

00:36:28   are

00:36:28   made

00:36:29   to

00:36:29   reminders

00:36:30   or

00:36:30   to

00:36:30   Spotify

00:36:31   to

00:36:31   see

00:36:32   basically

00:36:33   it's

00:36:33   all

00:36:33   JSON

00:36:34   formatted

00:36:34   data

00:36:35   and

00:36:36   you

00:36:36   can

00:36:36   see

00:36:36   all

00:36:36   that

00:36:36   data

00:36:37   and

00:36:38   then

00:36:38   I

00:36:39   verify

00:36:39   myself

00:36:39   like

00:36:40   I

00:36:40   just

00:36:40   double

00:36:41   check

00:36:41   because

00:36:41   it's

00:36:41   always

00:36:42   a

00:36:42   good

00:36:42   practice

00:36:42   to

00:36:43   double

00:36:43   check

00:36:43   okay

00:36:44   I

00:36:44   had

00:36:44   10

00:36:45   tasks

00:36:45   in

00:36:45   this

00:36:45   project

00:36:46   and

00:36:46   I

00:36:46   now

00:36:46   see

00:36:47   10

00:36:47   reminders

00:36:47   in

00:36:48   this

00:36:48   list

00:36:48   yeah

00:36:49   that

00:36:49   makes

00:36:49   sense

00:36:49   yeah

00:36:50   I

00:36:50   feel

00:36:50   like

00:36:50   it's

00:36:51   it's

00:36:51   not

00:36:51   something

00:36:51   I

00:36:52   would

00:36:52   necessarily

00:36:52   want to

00:36:52   do

00:36:52   with

00:36:53   hundreds

00:36:53   of

00:36:53   tasks

00:36:54   maybe

00:36:54   for that

00:36:54   for that

00:36:55   reason

00:36:55   because

00:36:55   I'm

00:36:56   going to

00:36:56   have to

00:36:56   go through

00:36:57   and

00:36:57   cast

00:36:58   an eye

00:36:58   on it

00:36:59   maybe

00:36:59   I don't

00:36:59   know

00:37:00   it's

00:37:00   yeah

00:37:01   I mean

00:37:02   I

00:37:03   can

00:37:03   I guess

00:37:04   as well

00:37:04   like

00:37:05   you're

00:37:05   looking

00:37:05   in a

00:37:06   reasoning

00:37:06   model

00:37:07   I would

00:37:07   suppose

00:37:07   it's

00:37:08   it's

00:37:09   job

00:37:09   is not

00:37:09   to

00:37:10   try

00:37:10   and

00:37:10   make

00:37:10   things

00:37:11   up

00:37:11   like

00:37:12   it

00:37:13   like

00:37:13   its

00:37:14   job

00:37:14   is

00:37:14   not

00:37:14   to

00:37:15   attempt

00:37:15   to

00:37:16   create

00:37:17   for

00:37:17   you

00:37:18   it

00:37:18   should

00:37:19   be

00:37:19   being

00:37:21   like

00:37:21   more

00:37:21   thoughtful

00:37:22   than

00:37:23   that

00:37:23   for as

00:37:24   much

00:37:24   as we

00:37:25   can

00:37:25   use

00:37:25   these

00:37:25   words

00:37:25   this

00:37:29   episode

00:37:29   of

00:37:29   connected

00:37:30   is

00:37:30   brought

00:37:30   to

00:37:31   you

00:37:31   by

00:37:31   our

00:37:31   friends

00:37:32   over

00:37:32   at

00:37:33   Squarespace

00:37:33   if

00:37:34   you're

00:37:34   just

00:37:35   starting

00:37:35   out

00:37:35   with

00:37:35   a

00:37:36   project

00:37:36   or

00:37:36   maybe

00:37:37   you

00:37:37   have

00:37:37   a

00:37:37   business

00:37:37   that

00:37:38   you're

00:37:38   just

00:37:38   looking

00:37:38   to

00:37:38   scale

00:37:39   up

00:37:39   Squarespace

00:37:40   is

00:37:41   the

00:37:41   place

00:37:41   to

00:37:41   go

00:37:41   to

00:37:41   build

00:37:42   an

00:37:42   awesome

00:37:42   website

00:37:43   and

00:37:43   they

00:37:43   have

00:37:43   all

00:37:44   the

00:37:44   tools

00:37:44   you

00:37:44   need

00:37:44   you

00:37:44   can

00:37:45   get

00:37:45   a

00:37:45   domain

00:37:45   name

00:37:45   you

00:37:46   can

00:37:46   have

00:37:47   a

00:37:47   really

00:37:47   cool

00:37:48   showcase

00:37:48   of

00:37:49   your

00:37:49   offerings

00:37:50   and

00:37:50   your

00:37:55   basically

00:37:56   forever

00:37:57   and

00:37:58   I

00:37:58   keep

00:37:58   going

00:37:59   back

00:37:59   to

00:37:59   it

00:37:59   for

00:37:59   new

00:38:00   projects

00:38:00   and

00:38:01   pointing

00:38:01   people

00:38:02   in

00:38:02   that

00:38:02   direction

00:38:02   because

00:38:03   it

00:38:04   is

00:38:04   a

00:38:04   fantastic

00:38:05   place

00:38:05   to

00:38:05   build

00:38:06   a

00:38:06   website

00:38:06   even

00:38:07   if

00:38:07   you

00:38:08   are

00:38:08   nerdy

00:38:08   right

00:38:08   like

00:38:09   a

00:38:09   bunch

00:38:09   of

00:38:09   us

00:38:09   like

00:38:09   we

00:38:10   can

00:38:10   write

00:38:10   CSS

00:38:10   we

00:38:11   can

00:38:11   write

00:38:11   JavaScript

00:38:12   but

00:38:12   one

00:38:13   I

00:38:14   don't

00:38:14   have

00:38:14   to

00:38:14   do

00:38:14   that

00:38:14   for

00:38:15   every

00:38:15   project

00:38:15   but

00:38:16   two

00:38:16   Squarespace

00:38:17   also

00:38:17   gives

00:38:17   me

00:38:17   the

00:38:17   flexibility

00:38:18   to

00:38:18   do

00:38:18   those

00:38:19   things

00:38:19   when

00:38:19   I

00:38:20   need

00:38:20   them

00:38:20   which

00:38:21   is

00:38:21   really

00:38:21   cool

00:38:22   but

00:38:22   for

00:38:22   everyone

00:38:23   else

00:38:23   it's

00:38:23   a

00:38:23   great

00:38:24   place

00:38:24   to

00:38:24   build

00:38:24   a

00:38:25   good

00:38:25   looking

00:38:25   website

00:38:25   and

00:38:26   most

00:38:26   people

00:38:26   aren't

00:38:27   designers

00:38:27   and

00:38:27   so

00:38:27   they

00:38:28   have

00:38:28   Blueprint

00:38:29   AI

00:38:29   which

00:38:30   helps

00:38:30   you

00:38:30   quickly

00:38:31   and

00:38:31   easily

00:38:32   build

00:38:33   a

00:38:33   site

00:38:34   bespoke

00:38:34   to

00:38:34   your

00:38:34   business

00:38:35   just

00:38:36   implicit

00:38:37   basic

00:38:37   information

00:38:37   about

00:38:38   your

00:38:38   industry

00:38:38   and

00:38:39   goals

00:38:39   it

00:38:40   works

00:38:40   with

00:38:40   all

00:38:40   those

00:38:40   awesome

00:38:41   templates

00:38:41   and

00:38:42   you're

00:38:42   good

00:38:42   to

00:38:43   go

00:38:43   and

00:38:44   from

00:38:45   consultants

00:38:45   to

00:38:46   event

00:38:47   planners

00:38:47   or

00:38:48   if

00:38:48   you

00:38:48   host

00:38:48   experiences

00:38:49   you

00:38:49   can

00:38:49   showcase

00:38:50   your

00:38:50   offerings

00:38:50   with

00:38:51   a

00:38:51   customizable

00:38:51   website

00:38:52   designed

00:38:53   to

00:38:54   attract

00:38:54   clients

00:38:54   and

00:38:55   grow

00:38:55   your

00:38:55   business

00:38:56   think

00:38:57   built-in

00:38:57   appointment

00:38:57   scheduling

00:38:58   email

00:38:59   marketing

00:38:59   tools

00:39:00   and

00:39:00   more

00:39:01   plus

00:39:01   you

00:39:02   can

00:39:02   keep

00:39:02   everything

00:39:02   cohesive

00:39:03   with

00:39:03   on-brand

00:39:04   invoices

00:39:05   and get

00:39:06   paid

00:39:06   easily

00:39:06   with

00:39:07   online

00:39:07   payments

00:39:08   so

00:39:09   I

00:39:09   want

00:39:09   you

00:39:09   to

00:39:09   go

00:39:09   to

00:39:09   squarespace.com

00:39:11   slash

00:39:11   connected

00:39:12   there

00:39:13   you're

00:39:13   going

00:39:13   to

00:39:13   find

00:39:13   a

00:39:14   free

00:39:14   trial

00:39:14   and

00:39:15   when

00:39:15   you're

00:39:15   ready

00:39:15   to

00:39:16   launch

00:39:16   your

00:39:16   site

00:39:16   you'll

00:39:17   use

00:39:17   the

00:39:17   code

00:39:17   connected

00:39:18   to

00:39:19   save

00:39:19   10%

00:39:20   off

00:39:20   your

00:39:21   first

00:39:21   purchase

00:39:22   of

00:39:22   a

00:39:22   website

00:39:22   or

00:39:22   a

00:39:23   domain

00:39:23   name

00:39:23   that's

00:39:24   squarespace.com

00:39:25   slash

00:39:26   connected

00:39:26   and the

00:39:27   code

00:39:27   connected

00:39:28   for

00:39:28   10%

00:39:29   off

00:39:29   your

00:39:29   first

00:39:30   purchase

00:39:30   our

00:39:31   thanks to

00:39:32   Squarespace

00:39:32   for their

00:39:33   support of

00:39:33   this show

00:39:34   and all

00:39:35   of

00:39:35   relay

00:39:35   big

00:39:38   big

00:39:38   news

00:39:38   can

00:39:39   can

00:39:39   I

00:39:39   can

00:39:40   I

00:39:40   just

00:39:40   get

00:39:40   some

00:39:40   real

00:39:40   time

00:39:40   follow

00:39:41   up

00:39:41   oh

00:39:41   yes

00:39:42   so

00:39:43   I

00:39:43   have

00:39:43   some

00:39:44   real

00:39:44   time

00:39:44   follow

00:39:45   up

00:39:45   from

00:39:46   Jamba

00:39:47   have

00:39:47   in

00:39:47   the

00:39:47   discord

00:39:48   it

00:39:48   says

00:39:48   I've

00:39:48   been

00:39:48   looking

00:39:49   up

00:39:49   my

00:39:49   iPhone

00:39:49   17

00:39:50   the

00:39:50   whole

00:39:50   time

00:39:50   I'm

00:39:50   either

00:39:51   blind

00:39:51   or I

00:39:51   cannot

00:39:51   find

00:39:52   the

00:39:52   certification

00:39:52   markings

00:39:53   on

00:39:53   the

00:39:53   phone

00:39:53   so

00:39:54   maybe

00:39:54   they're

00:39:54   not

00:39:54   there

00:39:55   anymore

00:39:55   maybe

00:39:55   I'll

00:39:55   just

00:39:55   have

00:39:56   to

00:39:56   do

00:39:56   have

00:39:56   a

00:39:56   sim

00:39:56   tray

00:39:56   I

00:39:58   also

00:39:58   don't

00:39:58   have

00:39:58   them

00:39:59   on

00:39:59   my

00:39:59   if

00:39:59   you

00:39:59   don't

00:40:00   have

00:40:00   them

00:40:00   they

00:40:01   must

00:40:01   have

00:40:01   done

00:40:01   something

00:40:02   you

00:40:02   remember

00:40:02   they

00:40:02   used

00:40:03   to

00:40:03   put

00:40:03   them

00:40:03   on

00:40:03   there

00:40:03   like

00:40:04   the

00:40:04   little

00:40:04   yeah

00:40:04   I

00:40:04   think

00:40:04   it's

00:40:05   been

00:40:05   a few

00:40:05   years

00:40:05   though

00:40:06   yeah

00:40:06   okay

00:40:07   see

00:40:07   this

00:40:07   is

00:40:07   because

00:40:07   I

00:40:08   I

00:40:08   have

00:40:08   been

00:40:09   buying

00:40:09   my

00:40:09   iPhone

00:40:10   in

00:40:10   America

00:40:10   for

00:40:10   like

00:40:11   five

00:40:11   years

00:40:11   so

00:40:12   like

00:40:12   I'm

00:40:13   way

00:40:13   out

00:40:13   of

00:40:14   loop

00:40:14   on

00:40:14   that

00:40:14   one

00:40:14   that's

00:40:15   great

00:40:15   I

00:40:15   just

00:40:15   have

00:40:15   to

00:40:16   do

00:40:16   with

00:40:16   a

00:40:16   SIM

00:40:16   tray

00:40:16   oh

00:40:17   I

00:40:17   see

00:40:17   them

00:40:18   on

00:40:19   the

00:40:20   edge

00:40:21   on

00:40:21   the

00:40:21   side

00:40:23   I

00:40:24   have

00:40:24   in

00:40:25   the

00:40:26   same

00:40:26   so

00:40:26   I

00:40:27   have

00:40:27   a

00:40:27   black

00:40:27   iPhone

00:40:27   Air

00:40:28   they

00:40:29   used

00:40:29   super

00:40:30   thin

00:40:31   dark

00:40:32   gray

00:40:32   font

00:40:33   so

00:40:33   you

00:40:34   basically

00:40:34   they

00:40:35   are

00:40:36   there

00:40:36   and

00:40:36   they

00:40:37   actually

00:40:37   hidden

00:40:39   by

00:40:39   the

00:40:39   fingerprints

00:40:39   because

00:40:41   the

00:40:41   air

00:40:41   is

00:40:41   shiny

00:40:42   on

00:40:42   the

00:40:42   sides

00:40:43   but

00:40:43   yes

00:40:43   they're

00:40:43   there

00:40:44   just

00:40:45   very

00:40:45   faint

00:40:46   we

00:40:48   got

00:40:48   some

00:40:48   big

00:40:48   news

00:40:49   everybody

00:40:50   ready

00:40:50   for

00:40:50   the

00:40:50   M5

00:40:51   you're

00:40:53   ready

00:40:53   for

00:40:53   this

00:40:53   the

00:40:56   M5

00:40:56   can I

00:40:57   just

00:40:57   say

00:40:57   I

00:40:58   really

00:40:58   I

00:40:58   really

00:40:58   don't

00:40:59   like

00:40:59   across

00:41:00   social

00:41:00   media

00:41:00   on

00:41:01   Apple's

00:41:01   website

00:41:01   how

00:41:02   they're

00:41:02   using

00:41:02   I

00:41:04   don't

00:41:04   like

00:41:05   it

00:41:05   I

00:41:05   don't

00:41:06   like

00:41:06   it

00:41:06   like

00:41:06   what

00:41:07   are

00:41:07   you

00:41:07   attempting

00:41:07   to

00:41:08   get

00:41:09   you

00:41:10   know

00:41:10   there

00:41:11   are

00:41:11   so

00:41:11   many

00:41:11   ways

00:41:12   to

00:41:12   it's

00:41:14   it's

00:41:14   like

00:41:15   what's

00:41:15   what's

00:41:15   the

00:41:15   verb

00:41:15   make

00:41:16   like

00:41:17   so

00:41:19   phonetically

00:41:19   is the

00:41:20   adverb

00:41:21   like

00:41:21   what's

00:41:22   the

00:41:22   verb

00:41:22   the

00:41:23   noun

00:41:24   is

00:41:24   like

00:41:24   an

00:41:24   otomatopoeia

00:41:25   like

00:41:25   a word

00:41:26   that

00:41:26   no

00:41:27   no

00:41:27   but

00:41:27   like

00:41:27   when

00:41:27   you

00:41:27   want

00:41:28   to

00:41:28   make

00:41:28   something

00:41:28   into

00:41:28   a

00:41:29   sound

00:41:29   to

00:41:30   phonetize

00:41:31   that's

00:41:31   not

00:41:31   a

00:41:31   word

00:41:32   what's

00:41:34   assonance

00:41:35   whoa

00:41:36   no

00:41:36   that's

00:41:37   not

00:41:38   no

00:41:39   what I'm

00:41:39   trying to

00:41:39   say

00:41:39   is that

00:41:40   there

00:41:40   are

00:41:40   many

00:41:40   ways

00:41:41   to

00:41:41   say

00:41:41   those

00:41:42   five

00:41:42   letters

00:41:42   it's

00:41:42   like

00:41:43   hmm

00:41:43   or

00:41:44   or

00:41:45   yes

00:41:46   you know

00:41:47   but also

00:41:48   it's just

00:41:48   like

00:41:48   the typical

00:41:49   one

00:41:49   thank you

00:41:49   the typical

00:41:50   one

00:41:51   is

00:41:51   what is

00:41:53   going on

00:41:53   the typical

00:41:58   one

00:41:59   is

00:41:59   i'm

00:42:01   hungry

00:42:01   right

00:42:02   it's like

00:42:04   papa hungry

00:42:06   from macbook

00:42:07   like i don't

00:42:08   want it

00:42:09   right

00:42:09   because that

00:42:10   is what

00:42:11   when i see

00:42:11   greg joss react

00:42:12   when i see

00:42:14   greg joss react

00:42:14   tweeting

00:42:15   i'm like

00:42:17   no joss

00:42:18   stop it

00:42:19   i don't want

00:42:20   it

00:42:21   stop it

00:42:22   that's

00:42:22   how

00:42:22   hold on

00:42:24   hold on

00:42:24   hold on

00:42:24   hold on

00:42:25   hold on

00:42:25   different apple

00:42:27   executives

00:42:28   different

00:42:28   let's go

00:42:29   how do they

00:42:30   make it

00:42:30   okay

00:42:31   who are we

00:42:32   going for

00:42:32   what's

00:42:33   so joss

00:42:33   first

00:42:34   okay

00:42:37   mike mike

00:42:38   what's the

00:42:39   what's the

00:42:39   turnus

00:42:40   okay

00:42:43   what's the

00:42:44   team cook

00:42:45   no more

00:42:54   we're done

00:42:55   we're finished

00:42:55   okay

00:42:59   let's start

00:43:01   with the

00:43:02   system on a

00:43:03   chip it is

00:43:04   built on the

00:43:05   third generation

00:43:06   three nanometer

00:43:07   technology from

00:43:08   our friends at

00:43:09   tsmc

00:43:10   uh it has a

00:43:12   10 core

00:43:12   friends of the

00:43:13   show

00:43:13   friends of the

00:43:14   show

00:43:14   10 core cpu

00:43:17   it's six

00:43:18   efficiency cores

00:43:19   and four

00:43:20   performance cores

00:43:21   and apple

00:43:23   says it's 15

00:43:24   percent faster

00:43:25   in multi-threaded

00:43:26   performance

00:43:27   over the m4

00:43:28   which is

00:43:29   something

00:43:30   um not everyone

00:43:31   has a lot of

00:43:32   multi-threaded

00:43:33   tasks

00:43:34   uh i think

00:43:35   like give me an

00:43:36   example like

00:43:37   where would i see

00:43:38   this uh in

00:43:39   forecast when

00:43:40   you in uh

00:43:41   when you

00:43:42   transcode a

00:43:43   wave file to

00:43:44   an mp3 that's

00:43:44   multi-threaded

00:43:45   okay so yeah i

00:43:47   mean and that

00:43:47   it's pro tools

00:43:48   right it's not

00:43:49   it happens so

00:43:50   much faster on

00:43:51   my mac mini

00:43:52   than my

00:43:53   macbook

00:43:53   yes yeah

00:43:54   and uh but

00:43:56   you know most

00:43:57   people there's a

00:43:58   lot of single

00:43:59   threaded stuff

00:43:59   still out there

00:44:00   um but 15

00:44:01   percent faster

00:44:02   multi-threaded

00:44:02   performance uh

00:44:03   the gpu i

00:44:04   think is the

00:44:04   more interesting

00:44:05   story this time

00:44:06   around um

00:44:07   apple wants you

00:44:08   to know that

00:44:09   the m5 delivers

00:44:10   over four times

00:44:12   the peak gpu

00:44:14   compute performance

00:44:15   for ai compared

00:44:17   to the m4 so

00:44:18   what they've done

00:44:20   is each of those

00:44:20   10 gpu cores

00:44:23   and remember like

00:44:23   the m5 pro and

00:44:24   max and maybe

00:44:25   ultra that will

00:44:26   come later will

00:44:27   have more gpu

00:44:28   cores each of

00:44:29   the gpu cores

00:44:30   has inside it

00:44:31   like a kangaroo

00:44:32   in its little

00:44:33   pocket it has a

00:44:34   neural accelerator

00:44:35   in there and

00:44:37   minutes isn't

00:44:38   it a isn't it

00:44:39   a pouch what

00:44:39   did i say a

00:44:41   pocket yeah

00:44:41   pouch yeah i'm

00:44:44   sorry australia can

00:44:45   i just hold on a

00:44:46   second i'm sorry i

00:44:47   don't i try not to

00:44:48   do this but i was

00:44:49   reading discord and

00:44:51   so i zoned out for a

00:44:52   second why are we

00:44:53   talking about pouches

00:44:55   what is going on

00:44:57   each gpu core is a

00:44:58   kangaroo and in its

00:44:59   little pouch is a

00:45:01   neural accelerator

00:45:02   okay okay i'm really

00:45:04   happy to have gotten

00:45:05   that image thank you

00:45:07   and i love the fact

00:45:08   that you think that

00:45:08   kangaroos have

00:45:09   pockets if uh if

00:45:12   johnny ive was still

00:45:13   alive and he were

00:45:14   introducing the m5 he

00:45:15   would say our gpu we

00:45:18   looked at nature and

00:45:19   were inspired by the

00:45:20   pouch but this

00:45:23   magnificent animal

00:45:24   god i love san

00:45:25   francisco okay so

00:45:28   they are making a

00:45:32   bit of a shift here

00:45:32   and it still has a

00:45:33   neural engine at

00:45:34   16 core this time

00:45:35   but they are now

00:45:37   also equipping their

00:45:39   gpu cores for ai

00:45:42   tasks and it is

00:45:44   unclear at this

00:45:45   point the relationship

00:45:46   between the neural

00:45:47   engine and these

00:45:48   accelerators like are

00:45:49   they just one thing

00:45:50   to software well

00:45:52   developers need to

00:45:53   write specifically

00:45:55   against the neural

00:45:56   accelerator and then

00:45:57   that's only on the

00:45:58   m5s and higher like

00:45:59   we just don't know

00:46:00   yet but it's it is

00:46:01   an interesting change

00:46:02   can i try can i try

00:46:04   to offer a potential

00:46:06   explanation please um

00:46:07   i think and i am

00:46:10   like i am gonna get

00:46:12   the details wrong i i'm

00:46:14   sure but like at a

00:46:15   very basic level i think

00:46:17   when it comes to llms

00:46:19   that you want to run on

00:46:20   these computers and

00:46:21   especially those that

00:46:23   are optimized for mlx

00:46:24   which is the apple

00:46:25   framework uh to um

00:46:27   run uh large language

00:46:29   models on apple silicon

00:46:31   when you when you

00:46:35   load an llm and then

00:46:37   when you make a request

00:46:38   to it and then when the

00:46:39   llm is processing your

00:46:41   request it's relying on

00:46:44   different parts of the

00:46:45   architecture so the model

00:46:48   obviously gets loaded in

00:46:49   ram and that's one part

00:46:51   of of the architecture i

00:46:54   think the neural

00:46:55   accelerator is meant to

00:46:57   improve the pre-fill

00:46:58   time the pre-fill time

00:47:00   is basically when you

00:47:01   when you write a

00:47:02   prompt to a large

00:47:04   language model and

00:47:05   especially when you

00:47:06   write a long prompt

00:47:07   right um that prompt

00:47:10   needs to be injected

00:47:11   into the model before it

00:47:12   gives you a response

00:47:13   that is the pre-fill

00:47:14   time so that all that

00:47:17   text from your prompt

00:47:18   needs to be loaded

00:47:19   dynamically and cached

00:47:21   by the large language

00:47:22   model and then the

00:47:23   model is gonna use its

00:47:25   weight to formulate a

00:47:27   response again i'm very

00:47:28   much simplifying here

00:47:29   my understanding is that

00:47:31   the accelerators we are

00:47:33   going to see most of the

00:47:34   improvements in the

00:47:35   pre-fill time so you're

00:47:37   gonna have a shorter

00:47:38   time to first token that

00:47:41   is a metric that is

00:47:42   typically used to

00:47:42   evaluate these things

00:47:43   essentially you are

00:47:45   going to see the

00:47:46   response from the llm

00:47:49   appear on screen faster

00:47:51   thanks to the m5 you're

00:47:54   gonna have a shorter

00:47:55   time to first token

00:47:56   because of this faster

00:47:58   pre-fill time the

00:48:00   actual generation is

00:48:02   what's helped by the

00:48:04   gpu and the neural

00:48:05   engine i think this is

00:48:08   what like they're

00:48:09   basically trying to

00:48:10   optimize for different

00:48:11   parts and like layers

00:48:14   of the large language

00:48:16   model loading taking

00:48:19   in your request

00:48:20   generating the response

00:48:21   sort of process

00:48:23   okay i think that

00:48:25   makes sense so for

00:48:28   any of the claims of

00:48:31   ai improvements and

00:48:33   like to really take

00:48:34   advantage of what apple

00:48:35   is doing yeah a

00:48:37   developer would have to

00:48:38   use mlx i don't think

00:48:41   so um i think my hope

00:48:43   would be that like like

00:48:44   no let me rephrase i

00:48:46   think you're gonna see

00:48:47   most of the improvements

00:48:49   if you use mlx um

00:48:51   which is a whole like

00:48:53   kind of weird story in

00:48:55   that mlx has a thriving

00:48:57   community i will say on

00:48:58   the mac there are plenty

00:49:00   of tools and apple like

00:49:01   mlx is like apple open

00:49:03   source at its best uh

00:49:05   there's a there's this

00:49:06   um incredible person

00:49:09   unfortunately they're only

00:49:10   posting posting on x but

00:49:12   there's this incredible

00:49:13   person that i believe is

00:49:15   an apple employee and

00:49:17   i'm gonna look them up

00:49:18   prince kanuma um i

00:49:21   believe they are a

00:49:23   researcher at the mlx

00:49:25   team at apple um and

00:49:27   they put out so many

00:49:30   open source things for

00:49:32   mlx unfortunately all

00:49:34   of these things are mac

00:49:36   only or they tend to be

00:49:37   mac only um but apple

00:49:40   is also sort of touting

00:49:41   the benefits on the

00:49:43   ipad which is like very

00:49:45   strange conversation

00:49:46   there um but yeah i

00:49:48   think you're gonna see

00:49:49   most of the improvements

00:49:50   for mlx optimized models

00:49:53   that said i think the

00:49:56   higher bandwidth for the

00:49:58   ram um and the

00:50:01   improvements in the gpu

00:50:02   are going to benefit

00:50:03   models that you load in

00:50:05   other formats as well

00:50:06   i think this is like it

00:50:08   i mean you know it

00:50:10   isn't obviously par for

00:50:12   the course with anything

00:50:13   to do with ai there is

00:50:14   a there is a bit of

00:50:17   uh trying to think of

00:50:18   maybe misdirection is the

00:50:20   term i'm trying to find

00:50:21   here where who's doing

00:50:24   anything realistically

00:50:25   locally with ai like

00:50:27   when they're talking

00:50:28   about these ai

00:50:29   improvements like most

00:50:31   of what they're talking

00:50:32   about here is local

00:50:33   performance right okay

00:50:34   you're gonna upset a lot

00:50:35   of people by saying

00:50:36   that um oh but come

00:50:38   on not not in our

00:50:40   audience okay okay

00:50:42   let me look look look

00:50:43   look look if you are an

00:50:45   enthusiast right you're

00:50:48   doing it right like you

00:50:49   federico you are very

00:50:51   enthusiastic right yes

00:50:52   yes the vast majority of

00:50:54   people of the you know

00:50:56   800 million people you

00:50:58   know nobody nobody nobody

00:51:00   yeah that's what i'm

00:51:01   talking about right

00:51:02   like the nobody is one

00:51:04   of these generalizations

00:51:05   that we make where it's

00:51:06   like okay but like the

00:51:09   vast majority of people

00:51:10   doing anything in an ai

00:51:12   they're gonna see this

00:51:13   and be like oh it will

00:51:15   be faster no it's got

00:51:16   nothing to do with that

00:51:17   right like it's not

00:51:18   everything you're doing

00:51:19   nothing is happening on

00:51:20   your device if anything

00:51:20   maybe wi-fi seven is

00:51:22   gonna make char gpt faster

00:51:23   that ends up being the

00:51:27   thing but you know what

00:51:27   i mean it's like yeah

00:51:29   yeah this is interesting

00:51:30   but there i don't think

00:51:34   that there is a there are

00:51:35   enough user benefits to

00:51:38   this and like this is

00:51:39   actually apple's thing to

00:51:41   fix right they need to

00:51:44   make their local models

00:51:46   better yeah that they can

00:51:48   be used by more developers

00:51:49   for more things then it

00:51:51   becomes an easier thing to

00:51:53   tout the speed

00:51:54   improvements in the m5

00:51:56   oh it's like 99.9% of

00:51:59   people that buy this

00:52:00   computer right i would i

00:52:02   would say that that

00:52:03   statistic feels right to

00:52:04   me even the people buying

00:52:05   the macbook pro they are

00:52:06   not doing local ai stuff

00:52:09   they're not yeah especially

00:52:12   when the when the when

00:52:13   the whole ecosystem of

00:52:14   open source models is so

00:52:17   fragmented and confusing

00:52:19   if you don't know what

00:52:20   you're doing like you can

00:52:21   get a hundred different

00:52:22   versions of the same

00:52:24   model whereas i think it

00:52:26   would be so apple to say

00:52:27   here's a family of

00:52:28   foundation models and you

00:52:30   can choose multiple

00:52:30   sizes you can choose

00:52:31   multiple versions but

00:52:33   right now they only have

00:52:34   one on device that is kind

00:52:36   of crappy to be honest and

00:52:39   they have the cloud one

00:52:40   which is sort of like only

00:52:42   usable from shortcuts not

00:52:43   even from developers yeah so

00:52:45   when i see these demos that

00:52:47   apple gives of like here we're

00:52:49   gonna show a student using

00:52:51   misty studio on on on her

00:52:54   macbook pro to organize her

00:52:57   notes from college class using

00:53:00   on-device ai with gpt oss 20

00:53:04   billion like no that is not a

00:53:06   realistic scenario unless that

00:53:08   student is in like in an enrolled

00:53:11   in an ai course or something like

00:53:14   nobody's gonna do that nobody's

00:53:16   gonna say you know what i am not

00:53:18   going to use charge gpt to

00:53:20   organize my notes i am going to

00:53:22   install a local on-device ai

00:53:24   model and i need to know which

00:53:26   one on my macbook pro so that i

00:53:28   can process my notes and my

00:53:30   pdfs with offline ai instead of

00:53:32   charge gpt who's doing that

00:53:34   yeah we've gotten way of course i

00:53:36   think look i think it is very

00:53:37   impressive that they are making

00:53:38   these gains because some time at

00:53:41   some point these chickens will

00:53:42   come home to roost right yes like

00:53:43   they will and if anything like i

00:53:46   get the impression like with the

00:53:47   mac studios the people in ai are

00:53:50   excited about these computers so

00:53:52   maybe that is also a benefit right

00:53:54   that like if this is something that

00:53:56   you care about you're able to

00:53:57   incentivize people to buy your

00:53:58   computer it's like this is a good

00:54:00   thing apple kind of fell into it and

00:54:02   now are now are moving clearly like

00:54:05   they're like all right great now we're

00:54:06   kind of catching up with ourselves

00:54:07   that is an audience that is an

00:54:10   audience that they are

00:54:11   satisfying for sure yeah and

00:54:13   eventually the local models will be

00:54:15   good enough because also my

00:54:17   understanding is like local models

00:54:19   tend not to be as good as the web

00:54:20   based models they are they tend to

00:54:23   be it used to be really worse now

00:54:28   especially the latest models from

00:54:29   china they're basically four to five

00:54:32   months behind the latest the latest

00:54:34   from from america which again is

00:54:37   like another thing for the average

00:54:38   user why would you go through all

00:54:39   that effort to have something that

00:54:41   is quote-unquote worse than what you

00:54:42   can get on the web you know what i

00:54:43   mean is like which is like

00:54:44   significantly easier but at some

00:54:46   point stuff like the apple

00:54:48   foundation models will be powerful

00:54:50   enough to do a lot of tasks on your

00:54:52   mac and then your mac is going to be

00:54:53   very quick at that so but anyway it's

00:54:56   like it's just a funny thing like

00:54:57   this is the only this is the thing

00:54:59   they are touting over and over and

00:55:01   over again and i just don't think

00:55:04   this use cases actually exist

00:55:06   yeah for people buying these

00:55:08   computers especially the ipad which

00:55:10   we'll get to shortly except from the

00:55:12   except from the ai developers but

00:55:13   that's it yeah or enthusiasts yeah

00:55:16   so let's start with the m5 macbook pro

00:55:20   this is the entry-level 14 inch

00:55:24   machine remember back in the day there

00:55:26   was like the touch bar machine was

00:55:27   still hanging out and then i think

00:55:29   with the m3 generation they made a

00:55:32   14 inch macbook pro that was just a

00:55:34   a little bit a little bit cut down but

00:55:36   you still got the screen and all the

00:55:38   niceties of the macbook pro and they've

00:55:41   done that again there's no pro or max

00:55:43   version yet of these chips i saw a lot

00:55:46   of people chattering about like well is it

00:55:49   not ready or like it's it's very hard

00:55:52   even five years into this like apple

00:55:55   doesn't have a strict playbook on what

00:55:58   chips come out when there have been

00:56:00   times when like the m1 was out and then

00:56:03   months later we got the m1 pro and max

00:56:05   and sometimes they've been together or

00:56:08   some it's all over the place and so pro

00:56:12   and max versions will come so right now

00:56:13   if you go buy a 14 inch macbook pro you

00:56:15   can get the base with an m5 or you can

00:56:17   get the better 14 inch or the 16 inch

00:56:20   with the m4 pro or max i don't think

00:56:24   it's a big deal but it's a situation

00:56:26   we're in 24 hour battery life ssds that

00:56:31   are up to two times faster and now the

00:56:34   base model can be configured with up to

00:56:36   four terabytes of storage the m4 is

00:56:40   capped in the in that version of the

00:56:42   macbook pro at two terabytes so a bit of

00:56:45   an update there it's very funny to just

00:56:49   have the one computer right yeah yeah

00:56:52   no mac mini i mean that has the pro i

00:56:54   guess no i sorry i just mean like you

00:56:56   know it's just the m5 like it is funny

00:56:59   when you see like it because they have

00:57:01   like there's like images where it's a m5

00:57:04   m4 pro m4 max like it's weird like what

00:57:07   i don't i feel like i don't understand

00:57:09   why now i mean there's not i mean the pro

00:57:12   and and max clearly just aren't aren't

00:57:15   ready yet or they're not producing them

00:57:17   at scale yet that's probably what's

00:57:18   going on yeah but like i guess my

00:57:21   question with all of these products is

00:57:24   like but why are you doing them now

00:57:26   like how important it is it to have the

00:57:29   m5 in them yeah i don't know you know i

00:57:33   also think if someone's like going to

00:57:35   look at a 14 inch macbook pro and they're

00:57:39   even considering the base model like i

00:57:42   don't think they really care if it's got

00:57:43   the m5 or the m4 pro like and as we

00:57:47   talked about earlier for the vast

00:57:49   majority of people the performance

00:57:50   difference isn't that great and in the

00:57:54   newsroom article talking about this

00:57:55   machine apple compares it to not only

00:57:57   intel macbook pros which is like a

00:57:59   billion times faster than but also the

00:58:01   m1 macbook pro and i think that's

00:58:05   particularly interesting that now they

00:58:07   are also talking to early apple silicon

00:58:09   adopters because the m1 is five years

00:58:12   ago next month and um and so i think

00:58:15   like yeah there's weirdness during these

00:58:17   little transition periods but i assume in

00:58:20   the spring we're gonna m5 pro and m5 max

00:58:22   maybe even early in the year um and then

00:58:26   it just is you know it gets settled it's

00:58:28   not the first time we've been through

00:58:29   this

00:58:29   yeah no no for sure for sure one of the

00:58:34   things they're saying is 24 hour battery

00:58:35   life

00:58:36   i'm trying to find them on the compare

00:58:39   tool which is way more complicated uh for

00:58:43   the mac than it is for the iphone

00:58:44   i'm like yeah but the other ones are 24

00:58:48   hours battery life too okay it was in the

00:58:49   press release like that was a new

00:58:50   statistic but they both the m4 and the m5

00:58:54   14 inch macbook pro had 24 hour battery

00:58:56   life as quoted by apple yeah i will say as

00:58:59   as a side uh not if you're running tahoe

00:59:02   at least in my experience tahoe has been

00:59:04   really hard on the battery and the standby

00:59:06   on my laptop is garbage so maybe maybe

00:59:12   that'll get better soon um so that's the

00:59:14   macbook pro the that is the only mac the

00:59:17   m5 is in you know check back check back

00:59:20   later for more uh but we also got in the

00:59:23   ssd speed is that interesting to you uh i

00:59:26   think it is you know apple has had a

00:59:28   couple of instances in the the past few

00:59:31   years where like cernet ssds are way

00:59:34   slower than others look they're all

00:59:35   fast right especially coming from like an

00:59:37   intel machine they're all fast um i think

00:59:40   it's more of a byproduct of like these

00:59:42   systems on a chip are faster the m5 also

00:59:45   has increased memory bandwidth for some

00:59:48   use cases it's really important for most

00:59:50   people it's not but it's a nice to have

00:59:52   right it makes the whole thing feel

00:59:53   faster and that's that's a good thing up

00:59:57   next we have the m5 ipad pro federico what

01:00:01   can you tell us about this so we're looking

01:00:04   at really the same ipad as last year with

01:00:07   the m5 inside same deal neural accelerators

01:00:10   they're saying 3.5 times faster performance

01:00:13   for local ai inference same ram on the high-end

01:00:18   models so the one terabyte and two terabytes

01:00:21   still top out at 16 gigs of ram but they

01:00:23   increase the base model ones from 8 gigs to

01:00:26   12 gigs so that's nice they also now put

01:00:29   the ram amount on the order screen which is

01:00:34   weird very strange to tell on a product

01:00:38   where you have no control over it yeah

01:00:41   there's really no way so it's to know 12

01:00:44   gigabytes of memory for the 256 and 512 and

01:00:48   16 gigabytes for the one terabyte and two

01:00:50   terabyte two terabyte i know this is not

01:00:53   new but the two terabyte 16 gigabytes of

01:00:56   ram ipad pro is 2299 dollars

01:01:00   so expensive that is money yes um one of the

01:01:09   nice new things is that you can drive an

01:01:11   external display at 4k 120 hertz refresh rate

01:01:15   with adaptive sync so that's new this external

01:01:19   display which which display are we driving

01:01:24   with this well i can drive mine yeah i'm sure

01:01:28   you can well we'll see we'll see in theory

01:01:31   we'll see in theory because it's usb it's not

01:01:34   thunderbolt so uh we'll see i think it should be

01:01:38   backwards compatible but i will let you know

01:01:40   have i told you guys about my display on my

01:01:43   desk no i don't think so so i'm using a

01:01:46   studio display and uh basically since it came

01:01:50   out uh mine the backlight flickers now

01:01:53   it will run fine for an hour or two and then

01:01:56   it'll have like five seconds where it it

01:01:59   doesn't turn off but it like dims it's like

01:02:01   and like then it's okay for a little while

01:02:04   but it is happening more frequently and

01:02:10   i don't know what to do about it so i i guess

01:02:15   with this stuff being out now would indicate that

01:02:20   there's not going to be a new display this

01:02:23   year

01:02:23   i think apple's done announcing stuff for

01:02:25   the year so the the display is out of

01:02:30   warranty so i mean maybe i'm looking at out

01:02:33   of warranty repair if it really gets worse

01:02:36   i'm keeping i'm keeping an eye on it but

01:02:38   it's it's kind of a pain yeah that's annoying

01:02:41   wi-fi 7 uh the new it's obviously all powered

01:02:45   by the new apple n1 networking chip so that's

01:02:48   wi-fi 7 bluetooth 6 and thread um wi-fi 7

01:02:52   nice um it's gonna be it's gonna be nice to

01:02:54   see the improvements for especially for

01:02:57   like um heavy tasks like game streaming for

01:03:01   example both locally and remotely from

01:03:03   services like jeffors now for example and

01:03:05   just in general the benefits of wi-fi 7 so

01:03:07   increased range in the home and just uh you

01:03:10   know slightly better performance than wi-fi 6e

01:03:12   uh also the c1x modem so that's also

01:03:18   previously seen on the on the on the iphones

01:03:20   um this is now on the ipad should be more

01:03:24   power efficient to them before they're

01:03:26   saying 30 less power even better signal

01:03:28   uh again we'll put that to test when the

01:03:31   time comes i've been very impressed with

01:03:33   this the speed of rollout of their

01:03:36   networking chips yeah yeah this this has

01:03:38   happened faster than i expected from when

01:03:41   they announced the 16e definitely yeah

01:03:43   yeah uh they also mentioned a couple of

01:03:46   things that i wanna that i wanna that i

01:03:47   wanted to note here uh uh we spoke about the

01:03:52   higher memory bandwidth that is also true on

01:03:55   the ipad of course with the m5 uh it's not

01:03:58   clear whether if and how that will benefit

01:04:01   ipad os 26 multitasking we'll have to see

01:04:04   um there's also faster uh they're also using pci pci e 5 speeds for the internal ssd so if you're

01:04:13   working with heavy files in things like logic or final cut you should see uh faster read uh times uh when you're working with that uh obviously that does not apply to external drives that's only for the internal ssd of the ipad

01:04:28   ipad but that's pretty much it really the story comes down to local ai gpu

01:04:35   improvements and wi-fi 7 because i don't think you're not supposed to see

01:04:40   differences uh for if anything should be better wi-fi should be slightly better

01:04:44   cellular connection should be slightly better and if you have an external display you can now do 4k at 120 hertz it reminds me this ipad reminds me a lot of the m2 ipad pro

01:04:56   another follow-up to a major update to the ipad pro series that followed up the following year

01:05:03   with uh very little changes except for the new chip and that's the same story here

01:05:09   yeah was that the one with the lidar no no no no the m2 was the one that that was 2022 i believe

01:05:20   and it was uh yeah i remember i had my embargo it was the ipad pro and the base model ipad with the

01:05:27   kickstand keyboard that won i think i'm thinking of the 2020 ipad pro that's right yeah yeah that was

01:05:34   the weird one before the m1 which was 2021 yeah i bought that one a12z about thinking a12z

01:05:40   and so i just had that and just think well this is this wasn't worth it but yeah this is this does it

01:05:46   does it does seem similar to that one right which which to be honest and to be fair we were not expecting

01:05:53   more right from this like the the the m4 ipad pro was a monumental update right like massive massive

01:06:02   update uh with the display and all the options like the nano texture and super thin super thin

01:06:09   very powerful new keyboard like this the expectation was this was what we were going to get but i do

01:06:18   think that there are some highlights there right like the wi-fi 7 and thread and bluetooth 6 that's

01:06:23   actually pretty nice like that those would be you would feel the effect of a bunch of those

01:06:30   technologies throughout your day even though you're not you don't know you are right and so i think i

01:06:35   think that's pretty cool that they're there and i do want to just quickly say the wi-fi 7 is not on the

01:06:42   other m5 products like the the new macbook pro is still wi-fi 6e because they're not using the n1 right

01:06:48   they're using i guess the broadcom chip or whatever they've because that would be wasted wouldn't it

01:06:53   the n1 no it would be because they have no cellular yeah oh wait no that's the c1x no that's the c1x

01:07:00   no why aren't they doing that because they don't need thread maybe or i mean maybe sure why not have

01:07:06   thread why does the ipad need thread nope no yeah nobody really knows in fact yeah i don't know maybe

01:07:12   maybe i'm sure it'll come in the future so um mike tell us about the vision pro thank you for the

01:07:20   uh so the vision pro gets the m5 but because it's upgrading from an n2 gets a it's a 50 faster speed

01:07:30   improvement um here's a really weird tidbit the m5 allows the vision pro to render 10 more pixels on

01:07:39   the micro led displays resulting in a clearer image an increased refresh rate up to 120 hertz

01:07:47   and a smoother mac virtual display experience now here is my guess what the 10 more pixels thing means

01:07:56   and i would love some detail i think it's talking about the foveated rendering yeah okay i was in some

01:08:04   reddit threads where people were speculating about this some people were saying it's the

01:08:09   foveated rendering the rendering more some people are saying no it's actually they they are increasing

01:08:15   the resolution because they're saying that the text is crisper on screen so it is unclear that is the

01:08:22   kind of question that somebody should ask pr about it yeah i think this is foveated rendering

01:08:26   like 10 more pixels like there's not like hidden a hidden part of the screen and like no that's that's

01:08:33   what because it says resulting in a clearer image like the clearness is what is around you that's my

01:08:41   guess if anybody wants to correct me or we end up finding out that would be awesome um but that that's

01:08:48   what i would expect it's it's that 10 more but even then it's like 50 faster chip 10 more rendering shows

01:08:55   how like how intense that is uh and up to 120 hours refresh rate is great i didn't know it didn't do

01:09:02   that i don't know what the refresh rate is of the of the m2 one but uh there you go uh an increased

01:09:09   battery it was funny to me to read that this is up to two and a half hours of regular use

01:09:16   like i don't know if i've forgotten what the vision pro's battery life is like

01:09:21   but an increase from what you know it's like wow 2.5 hours that is not a lot that is not a lot

01:09:31   to be honest all of the no a lot of the interesting stuff here is actually what's not this

01:09:39   like it's like the accessories are are interesting um the the vision pro going to an m5 chip fine like

01:09:48   the the the it means that the current hardware will live longer which is i guess the the intention

01:09:53   here you know so we will you know this unit will be out people that are buying this unit they're going

01:09:58   going to get multiple years of use out of this product this i would love to be proven wrong but

01:10:04   this does not feel like a product that is worth upgrading to for basically anyone that already owns

01:10:10   one um if you do want one now there's a bit of a better improvement for you um if you want to buy one

01:10:17   now uh i i don't see what the user benefit would be it's it's like ipads right where like

01:10:25   you shouldn't upgrade your ipad every year i mean it can be argued you should never upgrade any

01:10:32   product every year but like i feel like an an argument can be made for the iphone but with the

01:10:37   ipad like you know you the ipad is always more powerful than the the experience that it's powering

01:10:45   right so you can get many years out of an ipad and i feel like that's the same for the vision pro

01:10:49   even though that is so cutting it is so cutting edge there's just not enough stuff going on the

01:10:55   platform that makes it worthy of a of an upgrade even though it's not year over year like it's been

01:11:00   many years yeah and the the price is part of that too right i mean iphones are expensive but they're

01:11:07   not vision pro expensive well especially when they're not offering any trade-in yeah the mt vision pro

01:11:13   that is brutal like yes apple the vision pro customer is in some ways your best customer

01:11:21   right like they're they want the cutting edge they're willing to spend big bucks on something

01:11:25   that is effectively experimental and you're saying we will not give you anything on trade-in on that

01:11:32   is really harsh to your probably your biggest fans and your most engaged users i just i cannot believe it

01:11:43   yeah like i think the the the the quote-unquote reasons i've read is that like people like um

01:11:49   refurbishment companies don't want this stuff uh which i is fine like whatever it did remind so we

01:11:56   are um we do it i'm doing a trade-in uh on my iphone and to get credit we're going to use it to buy

01:12:03   to upgrade adina's iphone i always i have forgotten i feel like i knew this but i've forgotten that like

01:12:08   you're not giving it to apple it like goes to a company right like apple works with a bunch of

01:12:15   partners yeah like we're doing the mail-in it's going to a third-party company like apple doesn't

01:12:21   actually do the trade-ins so here at least um i traded in mary's iphone 15 i got her a 17 i got the

01:12:29   17 in store you don't take the trade into the store you they mail you the box or whatever and mine

01:12:34   did go to apple so it may be just different in different areas but yeah ultimately interesting

01:12:39   ultimately i think uh apple's not in the refurbishing business like even if it's going to

01:12:45   even if i mailed it to like quote unquote apple someone else is handling i don't think it went to

01:12:50   them handling it but like my point is you know say it's here maybe it's in some places in the states

01:12:55   it's different or whatever but i think that apple should just take these and give people a discount

01:13:01   and then they just have to deal with the situation of like recycling it or whatever because i just

01:13:06   think to not do anything not even like a token amount like five hundred dollars or something like

01:13:11   it's a it's it's a it's bad um the accessories

01:13:17   they made the solo top yeah they have a new band called the dual knit band it is just two

01:13:24   of the solo knit bands kind of kind of merged together yeah there is something interesting

01:13:31   here so it just has one of the adjustment knobs but you can like pull it out a little bit like on a

01:13:38   like a crown on a watch to like set the date and then it adjusts the top band so when i first saw it i was

01:13:44   like oh this isn't going to work because i don't want the tightness on top and behind to be the same but

01:13:49   it does allow you to adjust them independently which is good that is some good design right there

01:13:56   yeah because the solo top thing which is what i have somewhere for my vision pro is you have two

01:14:02   adjustment knobs because it's two of those solo knit things just like 3d printed together

01:14:07   yeah that's really nice hmm yeah um there's something here somebody putting on notes about

01:14:14   people freaking out about the weight yeah what is that i haven't seen this anywhere i saw it some on

01:14:22   um uh i think on mastodon so apple on their on the previous vision pro said that the m2 weighed

01:14:31   between 600 and 650 grams now why is there a range well it depends on your the strap you're using

01:14:40   the size of the light seal and like the face forming thing right like if if people are forgotten because

01:14:47   it's been a long time the vision pro is super customizable right they have different sizes of

01:14:52   all the sort of the attachments and that can the weight can change according to that apple says the m5

01:14:58   vision pro weight is between 750 and 800 grams um and so on the surface of it you're like apple the

01:15:04   one thing you need to do is make the vision pro lighter you made it heavier uh it seems like that's

01:15:09   not the case at all the vision pro itself like the metal glass thing seems like it's going to weigh the

01:15:16   same but it's the band because you have that top strap right that it's adding some weight there

01:15:24   uh that's not confirmed right because like these things aren't in the wild yet but it seems like

01:15:29   that's what it is it's not that they added more aluminum and glass to the front of something that

01:15:33   was already too heavy but i suspect whenever reviews come out that we'll get to the bottom of this uh

01:15:40   then yeah because that's the only strap you get now yeah they got rid of the other one but they you

01:15:48   can still buy them but in the box you get the jewel knit you don't get the two because you used to get

01:15:55   two right used to get the solo knit and the jewel loop and now you just get the jewel knit yeah which is

01:16:02   the way to go i think it's it's a great improvement uh did you see i think it was i think it was christian

01:16:08   uh on mastodon had like i can't wait for the the vision pro hat and it was like a photoshop of like

01:16:15   a whole beanie right made out of that material very good very good and then the psvr 2 controller

01:16:25   i don't play games what what's happening here so playstation vr is a vr headset 2 is the second

01:16:32   edition um they they have controllers for that which are apparently very good controllers

01:16:37   uh and apple added support for these um it's 250 for the pair i think it includes the charging station

01:16:46   uh sony's making their money back uh on the psvr 2 by charging a immense amount of money uh for these

01:16:54   controllers for essentially what seems to be maybe four games that support them like yeah this is this is

01:17:01   like if the yes this is uh zoe said in discord the whole playstation vr 2 was 399

01:17:07   there's no way an entire vr headset what's like 150 dollars something it's like oh that's the

01:17:15   that's the cheap part um uh this is it the if the vision pro is a chicken and egg problem for development

01:17:24   the games supporting the psvr 2 controllers on the vision like that is a that is a subset of a subset

01:17:37   of a subset of a purchase it's gonna be what two games maybe i think apple quoted four three or four

01:17:45   in the press four okay um it was like a ping pong game i think a pickleball game and and something

01:17:50   else but yeah i mean i am happy that this exists what i want to what i will be intrigued to see

01:17:58   is like can what can be done outside of games if anything with this like i don't know um and there's

01:18:05   also the this is shown off at i'm gonna say wwdc the logitech muse it is a um like a a 3d space apple

01:18:16   pencil essentially that's also available now i tasked david sparks to order one and review it for us

01:18:22   so uh which he did um because he he's using the vision pro uh quite a bit i think maybe more than

01:18:29   anyone else in our circle so excited to hear what that's like um and it's also interesting

01:18:34   right apple at the beginning was like you just need your hands like no like these products need

01:18:38   game controllers they need other things and i'm glad that they've come around to that yep

01:18:43   so that's the m5 product line um apple's probably done for the year but if you know we'll see how it

01:18:52   goes i know everyone's very excited um look i know spec bumps really aren't that uh spicy to talk

01:18:59   about or cover but i think the big story is like apple silicon is still just marching right on five

01:19:05   years in and that's uh that's encouraging anything else cool well let's uh let's shut this thing down

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