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I believe one year or maybe the second year they put sunscreen in the bag, which they did
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cause a little, that was the first, the first year back there was sunscreen in the bag, which
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is odd that they haven't kept doing exit or, or they put, they put up a, they put up a larger
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canopy. So there's almost no sun and the sun exposure you get isn't very much, but they
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did. They gave us sunscreen and a hat, which is a good, that was a good idea. I think it's
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a black on black apple hat too, which is not ideal for the heat. No, but it's what they
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gave us. I think I have that hat. It's a black hat with a black apple on it. Cause I got that
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tote bag, even though I spent that WWDC in a hotel room. Yes. Because somebody took pity
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on you. Apple sent me a, like a gift basket full of things to make me feel better, including
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like, uh, Dayquil and, and it was very, which was very helpful. And a bunch of, did it make
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you feel better? It did. Okay. It did. It did make me feel better. Lots of snacks and
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medicines. I like to think about that as the, as the WWDC where we got to record an episode
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of upgrade at my house outside. That yes. Where? Yes. That was really nice. That part of it
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in an out burger. Oh man. That was one of my favorite episodes of upgrade ever because somebody
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treated me like a human being. Yeah. Cause understandably everybody was avoiding me like
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the literal plague that week. However, you and I were at the opposites of a long ends
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of the table. Which I am, I insisted that we, we did that. Cause you were like, Hey, we're
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outside and we'll be fine. But I was like, no, I want to sit very far away from you. Cause
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I feel too bad. So it was kind of Putin-like. It was amazing. I'm all the way down here.
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It was amazing. At the end of this table. But yeah. And the birds are, you know, there's
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a lot of time. My neighbor feeds birds. So there's bird chirps in the background. That's
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a classic. I hope we'll do that again. Maybe, maybe when I come for. I would
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love to do another outdoor episode. We were going to do it. The last time you were here,
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we were going to do it, but it was just cold and foggy. And so we didn't do it. We did it
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inside instead. And I think they were re-roofing the house next door or something. It was terrible.
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Yeah. That was bad noises happening. That was 2023, wasn't it? After the Vision Pro, the episode
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after the Vision Pro. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's right. Yes. Because your, um, your wife
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was, um, had to watch our, our new, our new dog. Yeah. She was amazing. Being basically
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licked uncontrollably. Licked her all over. And Jeremy Burge as well. And Jeremy Burge.
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Yes. Good times. Yeah. Good times. Anyway. If you would like to send in a Snell Talk question
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for us to open a future episode of the show, just go to upgradefeedback.com and send yours
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in. We have some follow-up, Jason Snell. The Kickstarter is now done. Thank you so much to everybody
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that supported Design in California. We finished at 303030, which is incredible. I don't know
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how that happened. Uh, the two of us actually got on stream for the countdown to the end. Uh,
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so that's on YouTube. If people want to watch that, we're kind of reflecting on it and talking
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about some of our plans in the immediate future for Design in California. So that's available
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to you. I'll put a link in the show notes in case people want to, want to go and watch
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that. That's it. That's the thing that you can do. A special Glenn guest. Yes. Glenn
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Flashman. Glenn, our Kickstarter whisperer. Yeah. For this whole, whole process also joined
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us for a little bit too. And so we were kind of like reflecting on, on what the Kickstarter
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and how it'd gone and that kind of stuff that's available. So, uh, we'll, we'll talk more about
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Design in California again later. Uh, just for now we're heads down. Yeah. A new podcast is
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going to come from us this fall. And if you didn't get a chance and you still want to sign
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up for a membership, if you go to designed.fm, you can still do it's called the late pledge,
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but it's basically just the member price. And at some point when we get stuff up and running
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on relay, that'll be where you can get a membership. But also, yes, there will be a regular version,
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uh, with ads and stuff that will be available. And we'll tell you when it, when it comes out.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, an anonymous feedbacker wrote in and said, regarding AI helping, uh,
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Apple fix bugs in the new OSs. I can confirm from various friends at Apple that most of their
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software engineering team is now heavily leveraging clawed code specifically. I'm a software engineer
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too. And the workflow of engineers in San Francisco and Silicon Valley has completely changed in the
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last 12 months from AI sometimes being useful to being the expected first step or the primary
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tool. I have zero doubt that clawed heavily contributed to the bug fixes and performance
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improvements. As mentioned, it excels at those. And I do remember there was a report a while ago,
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I think from Mark Gurman saying that Apple was encouraging people to use, uh, clawed in their
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work. And this was what was leading us to believe that they may go with Anthropoc for, for, for helping
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with their, uh, uh, AI efforts, but they ended up going with Google.
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They're using, they're partnering with everybody in different ways, which is kind of funny. I, I did a
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story last week, uh, on six colors about, um, security fixes. They released a 26.5.2 update that, um,
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it's actually the features, the, the security fixes that were in the 26.6 public beta. But after a month,
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they're like, can we just release these? Cause the public beta is not over yet. Um, the beta cycle
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is not over yet, but, um, they want the, they want the fixes out. So they released it as a, in a 26.5.2,
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um, and talking to them about it, they made it clear that one of the reasons is obviously AI makes
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it, you know, a new beta comes out, it's got bug fixes. People can use the AI analysis to figure out
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what they're, what bugs they're fixing. And as long as those bugs have not yet been fixed, they can use
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them for attacks. Um, they can add them to the, their, their library of, of tools. Um, but the
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other part of it that they said to me, and I asked is absolutely Apple is using front, you know, frontier
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models to search for security flaws. And I got the distinct impression, you know, they, they make these
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announcements of sort of like, here are the credits for all the security researchers who pointed out bugs
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that we fixed. Um, but they don't generally talk about the bugs that they fixed that no researcher
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can like, and, and that's the impression I get is they're using AI tools, um, very much to find
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security issues. So it's not surprising they're using for bugs. And yeah, I think that as this anonymous
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person points out, this is just a thing that's happening now in software professionally is you would
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be, uh, a friend, a friend of mine said to me, every time a new model comes out, what you need to do
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is pointed at your code and say, look for bugs. Yeah. Just, and then just keep doing it.
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I mean, I'm kind of at the feeling of like, why not? Like, why would you not do that? You know?
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I mean, Marco Arment did a beta of Overcast and he said, look, I had four bugs that have been
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intermittent that I couldn't figure out what they were in my code base. And I pointed the AI at them
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and it found them. Yeah. And I fixed them. That fixed the bug that I've been dealing with
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overcast since the redesign. Yeah. Little subtle, little subtle bugs that the
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developer can't figure out. And then it gets pointed out to him by the AI and he goes,
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Oh, oh, right. Like, but it's a different, you know, it's a different logic engine looking at
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your code and that's, yeah, that's just how it's done now. Alan wrote in and said,
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an important factor in new iPhones and price increases, a carrier deals and contracts,
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$200 price increase spread over the 36 month cycle is just $5.55 a month. The iPhone Pro on Apple's
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homepage is currently advertised at $45.79 a month. So that it would just be $51.34. Apple may begin to
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lean more into the monthly pricing rather than the base. There was also that weird $30 deal during the
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iPhone 12 launch where it made the appear as $7.99 instead of the actual $8.29 price. Maybe a similar
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thing like that or things like this could happen again. I think it's a fair point that iPhone pricing
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is complicated by carrier relationships and carrier marketing. And while a lot of us think of iPhone
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price as what does it cost to just go to apple.com on the day and pay for an unlocked phone or pay for a
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phone that's attached to your carrier for a discount, but it's like, you don't have a
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commitment. And, um, but so many phones are sold and they talk about this in the, in the analyst
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calls every quarter. So many of the phones are sold, sold through partners on installment plans.
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And then Apple also has its own. Honestly, like it's kind of ridiculous to do what I do,
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which is to buy the phone outright because I'm paying every month with my carrier anyway. Like,
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yeah, but I just like to, to know I can get my phone when I want and not have to jump through
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the hoops. It's important for my job, but it makes some, if you're on the plan, which you're going to
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be on anyway, be on that plan for a 36 months, 48 months, 12 months, whatever, and pay it monthly,
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you know, it spreads it out. And yeah. I know people who are on the annual plan and you get the new phone
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every year and you get the new phone every year, you pay monthly. And at the end of the,
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you hand it back and you get the new phone again and that's it. Like there are, and your carrier will
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give you a free, whatever I keep seeing, you know, during the world cup, there are all these T-Mobile
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ads that are basically like, we will give you a free iPhone 17 pro if you switch to T-Mobile and we'll,
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yeah, it like, yeah. So I, and in regarding the changes now, like I'm sure that the price profile
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of the iPhone is going to change, but one of the reasons they may not have changed it now is because
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it's not as easy for Apple to change iPhone prices because it's not a traditional channel. That's the part
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right now that I think is probably relevant is it's not a traditional channel because you have carrier
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partners and the carrier partners, the carriers have a deal for what they're paying for, for that phone.
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And then they're obviously reselling it to their customers essentially. And like, there's got to be
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a whole other layer of complexity and different carriers and different markets. And so it's probably,
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again, I'm just guessing here, but it may be that Apple looked at it and said, no, the way we need to
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do this is set new prices for the new phones in the fall with all our carrier partners. And then those
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will be the new prices. Because if you think like, you know, even, even all of the posters,
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all of the materials that every carrier around the world would need to change where they would
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naturally have new ones in September. So if you can hold it off, hold it off.
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Do you go back to T-Mobile and say, okay, we're going to charge you $50 more for every iPhone. And
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they're like, well, we're not going to, we have a contract and we have this thing where we're giving
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them away for free and we're not going to pay you an extra $50. And like, it's a whole thing. So
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I think Alan makes a good point here that this is probably one of the reasons why the iPhone is
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a more complex thing. But that's also why I would anticipate in the fall, that's when you do it,
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because you've got a new price that you set. And every year they are setting a price with all their
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partners of like, this is what the price is. And this is what you pay and whatever those,
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all those deals are, are then based on that price that Apple cuts with them.
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Yeah. And they may be able to find some way of dressing the price up so that it doesn't seem to be
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so catastrophic, let's say. We'll see. So, uh, Jason activated a selection of punsters
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on the last episode when I said punsters assemble when they did, he mentioned the location of the
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install base, uh, which is in regard to us talking more about maybe software in the future than
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hardware because all this pricing stuff. Uh, so Sonny said install base. Is that next to Dongletown?
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Is that where boot camp is? They probably train to the east in of the blue screen of death valley.
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And on the weekend pass, they visit jailbreak ridge, which overlooks sandbox beach or go rock climbing at
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the notch. No. Okay. Some of them too far for you. And then you lost me. Okay. That's a pun run too
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far. And Connor says, I believe you're thinking of software by the sea, a small village north of Dongletown is
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where the web surfers purchased their softwares. Softwares. Yeah. I just want to stay for the
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record. Sonny and Connor got in. The door is closed on this. Yeah. Like you can send your puns to me and
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I will read them. I'm not going to keep reading them on the show. All right. Just no, we have no
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thunderbolt thunderbolt dock. Very important. Um, and then, you know, we're going to leave the rest to your
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imagination until our next t-shirt sale. Exactly. Yeah. We might ask for them when we need to make merch.
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Until then, keep it to yourself. Uh, Apple has announced that its next quarterly earnings report
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will be on July 30th. Uh, this is notable because it's going to be Cook's last public commitment for
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Apple, most likely. I can't imagine there'll be something else between now and September. You never
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know. Um, but this, this is set to be the last thing. Uh, there will surely be a lot of conversation
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about pricing strategies on this call would be my expectation. Um, I'm sure lots of analysts will
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have lots of discussions. You can look forward to that conversation at the beginning of August on the
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show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do it. We'll do it. That may be a, uh, we do to travel that maybe
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me and a special guest talking about playing the money jingle and all that episode. So Jason,
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we'll bring in a special guest. I know how much you like it, but I'll bring it up. I do really like it.
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And I, and I, I had lots of consideration as to how to change it, but I just can't, we're going to be
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So it is the summer of fun. And for the summer of fun today, summer of fun, double follow up.
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We got more. I got more follow up for you. Whoa, what? Bloomberg has confirmed that Apple is indeed trying to buy RAM from China, but they're saying that Apple is actually in talks of two companies that are on the Pentagon blacklist. Bloomberg say it's expected that this RAM, if they're able to, if they do secure it, would be used for devices sold in China, allowing Apple to allocate their other RAM inventory to devices that are on the Pentagon Blacklist.
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Bloomberg has confirmed that Apple is indeed trying to buy RAM from China, but they're saying that Apple is actually in talks of two companies that are on the Pentagon Blacklist. Bloomberg say it's expected that this RAM, if they're able to, if they do secure it, would be used for devices sold in China, allowing Apple to allocate their other RAM inventory to devices that are on the Pentagon Blacklist.
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Again, Apple are within their legal rights to do this. Like they can just do this if they want to. Nothing is stopping them. Because especially if it's for Chinese devices. However, without the blessing of the government, the US government, they will,
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face significant political backlash. Like it won't go well for them if they do it, even though they can do it. They're not importing the RAM or anything like that, but things would get messy for them. However, I was reading this report. I think that if even if the president's like, go for it, I don't think it's they're not. I think they're still going to get a lot of significant backlash politically. Like just if Trump says it's OK, it's not going to make the rest of everybody else happy about this.
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So, you know, it kind of feels like damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like I don't, you know, it's like, OK, if the Pentagon's like, yeah, don't worry about it, you can do this. It's not like every senator and every congressperson is going to be like, we agree, you know?
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It has been a fraught thing because it's perceived as being like Chinese Communist Party and People's Liberation Army related. And it becomes a source of like national security arguments.
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And are they subsidized and unfairly competing arguments? And really, there's a lot of it that's just this is an easy way to beat up on China kind of arguments from various politicians from both parties in the US.
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Then again, what I've been saying all along is if this is a deal, you know, the president of the United States enjoys making a deal.
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If this is a deal that he likes, where it's like Apple's going to make some firm commitments to, for example, have chips made in the US at Intel in exchange for something like this.
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If that deal comes to be, he'll just do it, right? Like he'll just say, it's fine. I say it's fine. And I'm not sure anybody's going to stop anybody from doing that.
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I guess the fear is that there is a chance that Apple would make a deal with these companies and then Congress would basically step in and say, no, these are barred now.
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Or some other organization would say these are barred completely and Apple seeking a guarantee that they wouldn't be barred.
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I look at this and think in a moment like this, where it's so extreme in terms of RAM availability, using some Chinese suppliers to make some RAM for the Chinese market and allowing Apple to then use the existing RAM supply elsewhere.
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I don't know. I mean, it seems, seems okay to me in the, with these very limited issues, but the argument would be, yeah, but you're giving money to the, to, to these Chinese RAM companies.
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And that's what they want you to do, right? Like they're, you're propping them up and giving them an infusion of cash.
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And that's the last thing that we want for these unfair, you know, communist party and people, the liberation army tied organizations.
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So there's politics, it's all politics, right? This is, but you, you, hashtag Mike was right.
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This is what's going on here is Apple would really, really like access to some more RAM and it's right there.
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Is there a deal to be struck? And that's, you know, in another era, I would say this seems like it's not going to happen just because of the political opposition.
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But I don't feel like I can say that. I think that if the guy in charge says, this is a deal I want to make, then everybody's going to say, yes, sir.
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Prosser denied that he planned or participated in any conspiracy or coordinated scheme for the purpose of injuring Apple.
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Prosser admitted to recording a FaceTime call showing unreleased iOS software.
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He says he did not pay Ramakiotis, his co-defendant, up front, but agreed to share revenue from the YouTube videos he made as a result of the information being shared of him.
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Because Prosser is not, Prosser is protected by the First Amendment, first and foremost, from reporting, you know, he's allowed to report about information that comes his way.
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The question is about, um, did he induce this to happen?
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Did he offer money to pay for this guy to, um, surreptitiously access his friend's development iPhone?
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Um, that's where it gets messy, and so I can see why they're making the argument they're making here.
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It is absolutely throwing the other guy under the bus.
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Like, I mean, maybe they'll prosecute him.
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I mean, if he's, if he really bribed an Apple employee to share secret information, that's not good.
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But like, what makes this an interesting story and what makes, I think, Apple more inclined to deal with Ramisadi is that there's Jon Prosser and they want to put the hurt to Jon Prosser.
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So, of course, so, so I think, you know, where's the truth here is, is a little bit of a mystery.
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I'm not sure it makes sense to me that this other guy would be like, oh yeah, I was talking to Jon Prosser and he said, you know, he could get me money if I would do this.
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And Jon Prosser's like, oh, I never said anything like that.
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I just said, oh, tell me more or whatever.
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I try to play back those conversations and I'm not sure, but it's possible.
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And the argument that Prosser's attorney will probably make is that Ramisadi assumed that there would be a benefit, but that Prosser only implied that he wanted the material and did not offer money for breaking the law.
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But like at some point, like they say, he like Prosser admits that he agreed he would share YouTube revenue.
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You would bring that up before you receive the information.
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This is what I'm saying is when I try to emulate this conversation in my head, I have a hard time believing Prosser's series of events, but I understand why he's making those claims.
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And I just want to be aware that Apple wants to put the hurt to Prosser and Ramisadi cooperating, presumably for less strict punishment benefits everybody who's trying to put the hurt on Prosser.
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So Prosser claims that Ramisadi is completely responsible for the disclosure of trade secrets.
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Prosser said he was unaware of how Ramisadi got the information and that he, quote, disconnected communication with him once he learned how it was acquired.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, again, he's like, look, I didn't know.
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I just, I just am here with a big bucket catching rumors as they fly into it.
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But legally, legally, if somebody gives you the stuff, you can report on it.
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In the United States, it's First Amendment, where you get into trouble is with inducing the breaking of contracts and laws.
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That's where it becomes, you're now a participant in the crime, essentially, instead of just publishing information given to you is not a crime.
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Inducing somebody to go steal some stuff and give it to you is a crime.
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I made a joke on social media about how, what about all the great updates to keynote pages and numbers that are a very important part of this suite.
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And I got a very polite email from somebody at Apple saying, just for the record, there are things that are updated in those two.
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And this is just, you know, this is their challenge is they have to communicate now what features everybody gets and what features are only in the studio bundle for keynote pages and numbers.
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And I just want to say again that it's incredibly stupid that those things are in that bundle.
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And as a user of a bunch of these apps, I continue to be eternally frustrated because I keep getting told I need to update to a new version of an app and I just haven't done it yet.
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And it's like, it's a nightmare across all the devices that I use.
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And ultimately, yeah, there was also an app that I can't remember the name of that did a static generation thing, basically, where you could point it at a FileMaker database.
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And it would generate a website full of pages based on your rules.
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My fiction magazine from the 90s Intertext, that was how that site got generated was it got generated out of FileMaker.
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Because that was the way, back in those days, that was the easiest way.
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You weren't running live databases on the internet or anything like that.
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Except that when Mac user launched the Mac catalog on the web, that's exactly what it was.
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It was a web server running on a Mac, running classic Mac OS in the Mac user lab.
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And every time somebody clicked on, like, sort this or give me a detailed view of that particular Mac, it would make a request to that Mac web server, which would make a request to FileMaker to go to that record in the database.
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And it would get the data out of it, and then it would put it in a web page and return it.
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And it worked because the web wasn't that big back then, and there weren't that many people on it using this thing.
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This is funny because I just got to the part of Jobs in Exile when they talk about Tim Berners-Lee using the NextCube to set up the CERN data.
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And it's like a similar thing where they said he wrote in, like, red ink on the side of the NextCube, do not turn this off.
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Our server at the journalism school at UC Berkeley was a Mac, actually, in the PC lab in the corner, and it had a big sign on the screen that said, do not use, do not turn off.
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And so, yeah, that was, it was just, I was essentially, it was my experiment in what would it be like to have a more dynamic database-driven website, which today seems like so obvious.
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And then there's comments about like the day's Jeopardy games and all of that.
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And somebody posted the other day that they're hiring a writer at Jeopardy full time.
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We'll put a link in the show notes if you'd like to write Jeopardy, but you better hurry because you have to write essentially two complete game boards plus three final Jeopardy questions.
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And you have to get them all into Sony and it all has to be submitted by like the end of the week.
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I almost applied for the job just for fun.
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Cause I think it would be fun to assemble Jeopardy boards and just to see.
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And then maybe they'd be like, well, Jason, you know, you, you, you're not going to move to LA, but maybe we'll use you as a freelancer or something like that.
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I thought about it, but I'm not going to do it.
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My other reaction was, you know, every so often I ask myself when I, when Apple mentions that Clarus is a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple and they're still in business and they're still doing FileMaker Pro.
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I think to myself, who's still using FileMaker Pro?
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And now I have an answer, which is apparently the Jeopardy database is in FileMaker.
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I expect there's lots of stuff like this still floating around because they've used it 20 years ago and they continue.
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That's, that's why, why is FileMaker still around?
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I think in large part, like so many of these products, um, they have a, they have a installed base with, uh, deeply integrated to their systems.
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This is like, it's like a version of the, why is there still COBOL code running on a server somewhere from the sixties?
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The answer is there's a thing that is deeply integrated into a production workflow somewhere and to remove it would be an enormous amount of work and it still works.
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