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0:00:39subsection a Comic Con 2015 welcome back
0:00:46everybody to be uncomfortable something
0:00:47very special we're doing by specialty we
0:00:49don't know what we're doing and it's
0:00:51crazy and it's even worse than a draft
0:00:53we have decided to perform this summer a
0:00:56a tournament if you will of comic-book
0:00:59superheroes or superhero in general not
0:01:02all of them necessarily from the comics
0:01:03almost entirely 64 heroes will enter our
0:01:07arena and in the end one hero will be
0:01:10crowned the incomparable superhero
0:01:12champion and it's all meaningless
0:01:15oh god why are we doing this here's how
0:01:18it's going to work
0:01:19i am your host i have i have consulted
0:01:22with a team of experts to create a 64
0:01:24superhero bracket they've been ranked
0:01:27you should be able to find a link to the
0:01:29tournament bracket in the show notes and
0:01:33I i have i have brought some of our fine
0:01:35panels together to to defend the honor
0:01:38of these heroes the way it's going to
0:01:41work is we have 32 pairings in the first
0:01:45round there are a couple playing games
0:01:47in honor of the n-c-double-a for its
0:01:49ridiculous playing games in the NCH
0:01:50basketball tournament but generally we
0:01:53have 64 teams are 64 heroes 32 matchups
0:01:57each in this episode each hero will have
0:02:01about a minute statement from an
0:02:03advocate of there and then a cruel panel
0:02:07of judges will decide the victor
0:02:10the cruel panel of judges are these two
0:02:13gentlemen Philip Michaels hello hello
0:02:16are you ready to be a cruel judge i have
0:02:19been training to be cruel all my life
0:02:21and Steve let's is the other member of
0:02:24the judging panel
0:02:25hi Steve hello there Jason although this
0:02:27may be the dumbest thing we've ever done
0:02:29I will endeavor to be a fair and
0:02:32impartial judge we're gonna do a bracket
0:02:37for the dumbest thing the copper was
0:02:38ever done because that listen to draft i
0:02:41hear a draft stupid episode dump draft I
0:02:45i have opinion six summer should fill
0:02:49and Steve were both agreeable chaps not
0:02:52not be able to agree that may be the
0:02:55dumbest thing you've ever done
0:02:56Steve higher like two peas in a pod then
0:02:59then in the end he will be my job to
0:03:02break the tie and declare a winner
0:03:05each hero wins moves on to the round of
0:03:0732 each hero who loses his sent to the
0:03:10negative zone of our hearts they become
0:03:13the Legion of substitute heroes
0:03:14something like that so i will introduce
0:03:19our advocates in this round our
0:03:22advocates are chips under hello hello
0:03:25Dan Morgan hello it's only now hitting
0:03:28me how terrible an idea this is really
0:03:31took that long how Charlie's got
0:03:32everything easy and you're losing every
0:03:34debate tonight more and haha indian taco
0:03:38is also an advocate hello Jason you you
0:03:40have to start calling yourself the
0:03:41Grandmaster that's that's the only way
0:03:43to give this thing legitimacy really
0:03:45this is a contest of Champions Lisa
0:03:48Schmeisser is also an advocate hello hi
0:03:50there
0:03:51Monty Ashley an advocate for his cause
0:03:54xlc or and Tony sindelar hello nerds
0:03:59alright like and tony is doing his best
0:04:02to court the audience early on
0:04:03he's getting ready he sounds like he's
0:04:05number of himself LOL i am a little
0:04:08intimidated you know I feel like I know
0:04:09a lot about comic books and then you see
0:04:11you see ELISA and Monty and and and
0:04:14other folks across the table from you
0:04:16and you're like huh what did I sign up
0:04:18for again so you know in any in your
0:04:21favorite Tony uh
0:04:22L&I the the judges are probably the
0:04:25least knowledgeable people on comics in
0:04:27the known universe
0:04:29well I don't know how that helps which
0:04:31one of you is advocating for Richie Rich
0:04:33tonight because he was really cool
0:04:35meeting Richard versatile enough
0:04:38Eileen Casper I don't know eat the rich
0:04:41eat the rich he has some sanctions
0:04:43against him and is not eligible for
0:04:45postseason play lego it's like Oh in the
0:04:47bracket so here's how this this round
0:04:50will work each advocates going to
0:04:51advocate for their their hero for a
0:04:53minute
0:04:54they're not into the the in this round
0:04:56we're not looking for arguments about
0:04:58why their hero is better than the other
0:05:00hero we would just like to hear an
0:05:03argument about why this particular hero
0:05:05is great or awesome or cool or whatever
0:05:08something positive about their hero the
0:05:10beginning about a minute their opponent
0:05:12will be given about a minute and then
0:05:13the judges will render their verdict so
0:05:16consider this I hate to say this a lot a
0:05:19series of lightning rounds which means
0:05:21you'll be here there's a part 1 of 10 we
0:05:26begin in the central city region it with
0:05:31a matchup between a number one seed and
0:05:34a number 16 seed but first we must hear
0:05:36the results of a plan match played
0:05:38earlier between marvels of the beast and
0:05:42DC's Hawkman Andy and not co who was the
0:05:45victor of the Beast versus Hawkman
0:05:48playing games a beast wanna walk over
0:05:51because all the different Hawk men that
0:05:53DC has predicted couldn't decide who's
0:05:55gonna pick to the field time ran out and
0:05:57beats one and a default all right
0:05:59that said that is part of that is a good
0:06:01way to start so beat beast Henry McCoy
0:06:05will be going against he's the number 16
0:06:07seed we going against top-seeded a
0:06:09central city region the amazing
0:06:11spider-man advocated by Dan more'n the
0:06:15low seed goes first because i just
0:06:17decided that Amy on you have a minute to
0:06:20advocate for the Beast please go ahead
0:06:23Thank You Grand Master denise is awesome
0:06:26because he's a genius who beats all the
0:06:28usual tropes of a fictional genius and
0:06:30that he's currently one of the
0:06:32Illuminati so he's definitely talk to
0:06:33her but he's fun-loving he's socially
0:06:35well it
0:06:36adjusted he jokes around he's never had
0:06:38a drive towards megalomania and all of
0:06:40that is at odds with the fact that he's
0:06:42you know a beast he supposed to be a
0:06:44gorilla or a cat either way he's
0:06:46supposedly blue let's put that aside but
0:06:49that's cool anyway even there he's
0:06:50pretty much spin steered clear of all
0:06:52the troops of being a beast he's not
0:06:54struggling for acceptance of the world
0:06:55that fears and judges and yes but only
0:06:57in the sense that he's a mutant he feels
0:06:59like he's a light towards mutants he's
0:07:01not just a beast he's not particularly
0:07:03weird looking within that group so he
0:07:05feels familiar there have been some
0:07:07storylines were they get him into being
0:07:08a misfit yes used to wear a rubber human
0:07:10guy mass but the stories about Hank
0:07:12McCoy tend to focus on the person the
0:07:14character
0:07:14moreover he's working for mutant rights
0:07:16in addition to fighting he's and he's
0:07:19got an interesting point of view and
0:07:20that he sometimes with the Avengers
0:07:21sometimes with the x-men he fights with
0:07:24and alongside and against all of them
0:07:25and he associates him with the the
0:07:29people feel as though it's possible that
0:07:30from us become part of society so he's
0:07:32aspirational McCoy is an aspirational
0:07:35character and that's why he's awesome
0:07:37also because he's blue
0:07:38alright he's blue Dan Morgan please
0:07:41advocate for spider-man counter-argument
0:07:44is T spider-man so he's got no damn
0:07:49still not a bad man are you doing it
0:07:52through these to go down the list now he
0:07:54didn't result in whatever a spider can
0:07:56expensive web spider man you yes yeah
0:08:00can I have some questions for you please
0:08:02please i'm happy to answer questions how
0:08:05down my first question is is he strong
0:08:07boy
0:08:09yes yes god no I'm sorry
0:08:12listen was directed to the answer I was
0:08:15looking for was listen Bob he's got your
0:08:18two black no idea apparently because I
0:08:21was not finished with my well this
0:08:23totally rating which his ability to spin
0:08:25a web at any size any any size giant
0:08:28city wide web
0:08:29sure why not and gas and more'n another
0:08:31question can he catch thieves
0:08:34here's your friendly neighborhood
0:08:35spider-man no I'm sorry I just like a
0:08:38nice
0:08:39I'm delighted in beating Cathy job
0:08:42Darrell ignore the middle are my answers
0:08:45an exciting around one upset huh
0:08:48I got a dare you you are definitely
0:08:49playing the part of a public defender
0:08:51your heart is not in this you just want
0:08:53to get to the next item on your docket
0:08:55ok now let me notice how I nobody
0:08:57heckled Andy during his wrath so let's
0:08:59say yes we made it a very you would see
0:09:02it's need anything we're done with the
0:09:05meeting how I thought it would be like
0:09:07three or so before we went off the rails
0:09:08don't have you been listening to this
0:09:11podcast you get Tony really know you
0:09:13guys are awful i don't listen
0:09:16judges I'll go first
0:09:19um I stand behind no man in my
0:09:24admiration for the Beast however
0:09:25spider-man is one of the great iconic
0:09:29superhero figures
0:09:31however times to Dan Morris defensive
0:09:35Spiderman was as weak as a kitten
0:09:39I rule in favor of the beast
0:09:43wow there's a careful boys that's great
0:09:46yeah I agree
0:09:50spider-man is iconic he's he's a hero I
0:09:53grew up with loving he's out there on
0:09:56his own he's not hanging out with some
0:09:57team of fellow nerds
0:09:59finally somebody is making a good
0:10:00argument for spider-man girls garage
0:10:07guys I can't in good conscience go with
0:10:10the Beast I've got to go spider-man but
0:10:12in future rounds i fully expect someone
0:10:15to sing the entirety of the spider-man
0:10:18song if I were to sing the spider-man
0:10:21song with thats where vote at this
0:10:22juncture
0:10:23only if you sing about beast beast email
0:10:27whatever a beastie kid can he look like
0:10:31a cat
0:10:32yes he can look at that watch out he is
0:10:35the beastie man allow it
0:10:38we're still in the first one there we
0:10:40have we have we are still in the first
0:10:41one Monty we we have the judges are
0:10:44split 121 I will cast the deciding vote
0:10:46despite inns in confidence i will say
0:10:51well I man is better than the Beast
0:10:53spider-man moves on but it was well
0:10:56played so it's always what it was i'm
0:10:57told now that I can heckle during any of
0:11:00these is what is what the gloves are off
0:11:01interesting idea but ok once you're done
0:11:04I i think no no III don't think your
0:11:05gender roles here i think i think the
0:11:07rules are what we make I think that may
0:11:09be that may be true until we until we
0:11:11decide the rules until we for you force
0:11:13us to make rules
0:11:14let's move on to our next matchup in
0:11:16Central City Region the eighth seed
0:11:19Aquaman friend to all the fish will be a
0:11:23will be advocated by Lisa Schmeisser
0:11:25against one of two blue beetles in our
0:11:28tournament this the ted kord version of
0:11:31the Blue Beetle who is going to be
0:11:33advocated by chips under that tough
0:11:35eight verses 9 matchup Louis egos first
0:11:38chip please speak for Ted Kord the Blue
0:11:42Beetle ok guys wrap your brain around
0:11:45this wild concept a millionaire with
0:11:49high-tech gadgetry but no superpowers
0:11:51puts on a suit and fights crime that's
0:11:55gonna done
0:11:56oh sorry now this guy's this guy's
0:11:57battle cry is however just forwards
0:12:01wah-ha-ha-ha I give you a character
0:12:06created by spider-man creator steve
0:12:08ditko a wisecracking insecure acrobatic
0:12:12guy with a gun that shoots i kid you not
0:12:15burst of compressed air or it acts like
0:12:19a strobe light
0:12:20so why is Blue Beetle a member of the
0:12:22historic and histrionic justice league
0:12:26international one of the great super
0:12:28heroes of all time because he's fun
0:12:31good-natured and he symbolizes the best
0:12:33of DC comics in the late eighties
0:12:35something that you rarely see in today's
0:12:37comics a sense of humor
0:12:41Thank You chip Lisa please speak for
0:12:44Aquaman
0:12:47seventy percent of the globe is covered
0:12:50in water there is all of one dude who's
0:12:53in charge of all of it from the deepest
0:12:55trenches to the most beautiful
0:12:57pollination shallows he doesn't despite
0:13:00merciless mockery from people who could
0:13:02who assume that that he's the useless
0:13:04dude from the nineteen seventies Justice
0:13:06League cartoons he Brooks no crap and he
0:13:12uses his telepathic animal talking
0:13:14abilities to do things like have wells
0:13:15generate tsunamis he pals around with
0:13:17sharks Aquaman is is is he takes no got
0:13:21off anybody which is exactly what you
0:13:23want from again somebody who has the
0:13:24power to hang out with sharks and you
0:13:26want him on your side for that then I
0:13:29rest my case I always good one advocate
0:13:33ends with the sound effects boom that
0:13:36question for mishmar sir
0:13:39uh-huh go for Aquaman have a hook for a
0:13:43hand as a matter of fact judge he does
0:13:47have a hook for a hand and he often
0:13:49screws on different things to excuse
0:13:51it's not just a hook sometimes it's a
0:13:52pretend to hand that has superpowers
0:13:55sometimes it can have rope so he can
0:13:57cast out and catch things or a spatula
0:14:00does this hook shoot compressed air and
0:14:02or strobe lights
0:14:04no that's why he has fish because there
0:14:06are actually animals and that they're
0:14:07actually animals under the sea that can
0:14:09do both in lethal amounts well sure if
0:14:11you want something that'll shoot
0:14:13compressed air for you
0:14:15legal amount of strobe light until it
0:14:18you don't look a market leadership is
0:14:19know when to delegate and when they have
0:14:20other people play to their own strength
0:14:22or other fish I think something's off
0:14:24here this is not meant to be a debate
0:14:25it's two statements and then we move on
0:14:27judges I've heard all I need to hear
0:14:29Aquaman has a hook for a hand there for
0:14:32Aquaman is the winning superhero Steve
0:14:35uh you know it's I'm excited about the
0:14:39gun that shoots compressed air that
0:14:40sounds pretty great
0:14:42not sure what he does exactly make you
0:14:46laugh i think but yeah that's true
0:14:48that's true but i gotta go Aquaman to
0:14:52largely because Lisa led with the exact
0:14:54same argument that I used when I picked
0:14:56Aquaman the superhero drive it
0:14:59sucking up to the judges never hurts and
0:15:01argue with the volume of water on the
0:15:03surface of the planet Earth Aquaman
0:15:05moves on to the next round
0:15:07by a vote of 220
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0:16:24and we move on to our next pairing in
0:16:29the central city region number five seed
0:16:31the Silver Surfer advocated by Monty
0:16:34going up against the number 12 seed the
0:16:36she-hulk actually advocated by Lisa Lisa
0:16:39please speak your mind about she-hulk
0:16:42think one of the great things about
0:16:45she-hulk is how she embraces female
0:16:47stereotypes and then completely supports
0:16:49them
0:16:50she's unabashedly female even when she's
0:16:52giant in green and filled with muscles
0:16:54and she's fun-loving she parties she
0:16:57likes hooking up with folks she goes to
0:16:59the beach and she fights crime and she's
0:17:01a lawyer
0:17:02this is somebody whose entire character
0:17:04quest has been about embracing and
0:17:06integrating all of the different aspects
0:17:08of the personality that make herself and
0:17:10that makes it one of the most honest and
0:17:12transparent superheroes in the candidate
0:17:14it also makes a really happy exception
0:17:16to the whole no one must know about my
0:17:18secret identity thing going on
0:17:20so because she doesn't have that baggage
0:17:22and because she does a good job of
0:17:24trying to stay true to herself while
0:17:25also taking advantage of with her brain
0:17:27and her bra on
0:17:28she hulk is super awesome all right
0:17:31Monty the Silver Surfer the Silver
0:17:35Surfer looks great
0:17:38that awful Fantastic Four movie he
0:17:40looked awesome that doesn't like the
0:17:42idea of a dude just surfing around outer
0:17:44space and occasionally having cosmic
0:17:46powers
0:17:46he's basically our entree into the whole
0:17:48Marvel cosmic universe that she
0:17:51originally appeared as Galactus Herald
0:17:53coming down to earth and saying look out
0:17:55we're gonna eat your planet after that
0:17:57he had his own series where he spent
0:17:59every panel moping about how awful life
0:18:02was as a cosmic power being he's the
0:18:05ultimate tortured hero and in conclusion
0:18:07surfing is totally cool alright strong
0:18:10point there Monty I judges let's start
0:18:13with Steve what you're already thought
0:18:14about silver surfer vs she-hulk
0:18:16interesting I can't disagree that Silver
0:18:19Surfer looks great he is one of the
0:18:21coolest looking here as well time
0:18:22although the moping aspect of things
0:18:24kind of drag him down a little bit
0:18:26she-hulk interestingly lot of female
0:18:30scenario types it seems like she does
0:18:32she goes to the beach he hooks up with
0:18:33folks she does it all she sounds a
0:18:35little like green Barbie to me so it's a
0:18:39it's a tough decision on this one for me
0:18:42but I'm gonna have to lean with joe
0:18:45satriani and go silver surfer
0:18:47interesting film
0:18:48well I don't believe either of these
0:18:51heroes has a hook for a hand so you can
0:18:53find some other evaluated measure it's
0:18:57interesting that silver surfers
0:18:59mentioned quite prominently in the movie
0:19:01crimson tide which is a delightful
0:19:04motion picture however silver surfer is
0:19:07also featured in the movie called the
0:19:09Fantastic Four to which is a terrible
0:19:12motion picture i must decide with she
0:19:16halkan that's the shit this dishes did
0:19:19this decision
0:19:20yeah I appealed this decision on the
0:19:22grounds that you get pronounce it a
0:19:25sustained what do you appeal the
0:19:28decision
0:19:29No
0:19:31world my role for she-hulk add this is a
0:19:35very difficult one for me I think both
0:19:38arguments were excellent i think these
0:19:40are interesting character she Hulka a
0:19:42modern character with a lot of a lot of
0:19:44things to support her silver surfer the
0:19:47history from the Galactic moment up to
0:19:50the present day the current Silver
0:19:51Surfer comic very interesting as well
0:19:53and kind of a departure
0:19:54I feel like I'm in the end I think she
0:19:57hulk has had even more a self-titled
0:20:00series cancelled than silver surfer
0:20:02although both of them have been
0:20:03cancelled the whole lot in me and I'm
0:20:06going to buy a nose i'm going to pick
0:20:08the Silver Surfer so silver surfer
0:20:11advances to one so close buzzer-beater
0:20:13therefore the Silver Surfer use the
0:20:15power cosmic centuries real sorry
0:20:18shulkie sorry Rocky III love the love
0:20:21she helped but sadly we must move on our
0:20:23next matchup in the central city region
0:20:254 seed kitty pryde of the x-men
0:20:28advocated by Lisa against number 13
0:20:32jonah hex advocated by Tony sindelar
0:20:34Tony you are the underdog in so many
0:20:38ways please advocate for jonah hex now I
0:20:42don't we have underdog in the lineup
0:20:44oh my god is and I hate myself also
0:20:46recruiting violations made underdog not
0:20:49liable to this turn
0:20:51well performance-enhancing drugs um he
0:20:53Jonah Hex may require some introduction
0:20:55because i'm guessing not many folks here
0:20:57have read jonah hex comic and I'm not
0:20:59going to tie him to the very unfortunate
0:21:01just full movie
0:21:02don't don't pay any attention to that so
0:21:04Jonah Hex is a classic DC comics from
0:21:06the Wild West and occasionally the weird
0:21:09supernatural west and he is a former
0:21:12Confederate soldier turned bounty hunter
0:21:14and his he does not really have any
0:21:16superpowers other than kind of being
0:21:18very ugly and unkillable and he goes on
0:21:22various adventures in the Old West
0:21:23shooting people wrestling wild animals
0:21:25collecting bounties and he is kind of
0:21:28your your classic hard-drinking cynical
0:21:31antihero always looking for his next
0:21:33dollar he's basically Philip michaels
0:21:35with a hat done
0:21:37oh interesting alright I'm gonna vote
0:21:39kitty pryde
0:21:42interesting we will have a debate later
0:21:43about whether we really ugly is a
0:21:45superpower or not
0:21:47Lisa kitty pryde please go ahead and
0:21:50discuss keeper
0:21:51perhaps her her most profound superpower
0:21:54is the fact that she was introduced to
0:21:56the x-men as a proto Wesley Crusher IE
0:21:59and precocious teenager with
0:22:01supernatural gifts and yet she managed
0:22:03to completely support that the trope and
0:22:05became instead one of the linchpins of
0:22:08the x-men franchise from her
0:22:09introduction of the early eighties to
0:22:11today
0:22:11kitty pryde has the power to phase
0:22:13through objects sure and that's
0:22:14interesting because she can drop through
0:22:16things you can disappear when necessary
0:22:18she can alter the physical properties of
0:22:20people she touches and she's a genius
0:22:21which is super handy too but she's also
0:22:24one of them the beating hearts of the
0:22:26x-men she brought out the humanity and
0:22:28the better impulses and people like
0:22:30storm and wolverine and her colleague
0:22:34Colossus she has been a bear for human
0:22:37human and or mutant rights are asking
0:22:40people to consider the inherent humanity
0:22:43anisole no matter what your gifts and
0:22:46she is also the reason that she's also
0:22:49been a really graceful transition point
0:22:51for spin-offs like the new mutants and X
0:22:54Factor Excalibur a lot of teams that
0:22:56have gone on and a lab utility is it
0:22:59were to spread across the globe and make
0:23:01the world a better place
0:23:02so there we go Thank You judges
0:23:06Phil let's start with you he's looking
0:23:09for a hat to wear
0:23:11okay I appreciate the fact that mr.
0:23:15sindelar if I may call him that
0:23:18who has compared me to jonah hex with a
0:23:22hat mainly in demeanor in demeanor and
0:23:24world philosophy i cannot get past the
0:23:26fact that jonah hex is ugly
0:23:28well not to see you know he had the mark
0:23:34of demon if you got the market be sure
0:23:35to find you in contempt i roll for Kitty
0:23:37Pryde I'll you know I know you but you
0:23:40know I i see how this coordinate
0:23:43it's not possible uh Terry Hollywood
0:23:46about this steve what is your ruling I
0:23:48do like the hard-drinking supernatural
0:23:50types out but i was listening to
0:23:53releases advocacy and I I was kind of my
0:23:57eyes bugged out when I heard her start
0:23:59with proto Wesley Crusher as though that
0:24:01was positive and then realize that
0:24:03somehow this character managed to
0:24:05subvert the proto Wesley Crusher trope
0:24:08which I would have thought was nylon
0:24:10impossible so for that reason alone
0:24:13I've got to go kitty pryde alright keep
0:24:15reading moves on I jonah hex maybe
0:24:17unkillable but he is defeatable he has
0:24:19been sent away just like at the box
0:24:22office
0:24:22it's like it though don't mention just
0:24:24rolling i did three in a row now I can
0:24:26rest for a little bit take a break
0:24:29Lisa our next matchup in the central
0:24:31city region number 11 seed worthy to
0:24:35carry the hammer of Thor beta ray bill
0:24:36advocated by chip going against Shazam
0:24:42you may also know him as Captain Marvel
0:24:43advocated by Monty chip you are the low
0:24:49seed please go ahead
0:24:51ok I'm i'll grab that it may be kinda
0:24:55cool to get your powers from lightning
0:24:57but it's another thing to have the power
0:25:00to make the Lightning beta ray bill is
0:25:03one of the first Marvel characters able
0:25:04to lift Thor's hammer who is not in fact
0:25:07thorny thereby gain the same powers but
0:25:09he's not just some warmed-over
0:25:11second-rate Thor check this
0:25:14he comes from a race of peaceful
0:25:16humanoid aliens but he gave up his
0:25:19humanoid alien entity and it was
0:25:23transformed into a beast eale horse
0:25:26headed half machine to defend his people
0:25:29as they were escaping from a burning
0:25:30galaxy full of demons so white beta ray
0:25:34bill is the greatest hero of all time is
0:25:38because he's a floor wax and dessert
0:25:40topping he is the Mighty Thor and he's a
0:25:43badass cyborg and frankly his hammer
0:25:45looks cooler
0:25:46alright strong points Monty Captain
0:25:50Marvel shows is Captain Marvel now
0:25:52officially shazam because even lawyers
0:25:53get tired of arguing after if
0:25:55decades that happen Marvel is a better
0:25:58version of superman instead of being an
0:26:01alien who learned to be good American
0:26:02because he grew up in the wholesome
0:26:04cornfields of small bill he's actually
0:26:06literally a good-hearted naive child
0:26:08named Billy who also turned into a burly
0:26:11superhero his villains are
0:26:13enthusiastically weird he's got a
0:26:15monster society of evil he fights mr.
0:26:18mind a telepathic worm who is a genius
0:26:21plus Captain Marvel is very important in
0:26:24comics because he's goes all the way
0:26:26back to nineteen forty or so please
0:26:28still doesn't have a dark side there's
0:26:30no stupid Frank Miller reimagining of
0:26:33this guy he's still a cheerful
0:26:36optimistic guy who flies around and
0:26:38punches evil in the face
0:26:40alright thank you very very nice seep
0:26:45what are your thoughts
0:26:47well I'm gonna have to go beta ray bill
0:26:49on this one for one reason and one
0:26:51reason only as a youth growing up I
0:26:54remember seeing the four comics and and
0:26:57thinking it looked like the dumbest
0:26:58thing ever you know until today and then
0:27:03then i ran across the cover of what I
0:27:07guess is Thor number 337 which I'm
0:27:09looking at right here and it i it has a
0:27:13beta ray bill on the cover in the thor
0:27:14armor swing his hammer smashing the word
0:27:17floor and it made me want to read or
0:27:20comic which is something I thought could
0:27:22never be done so its beta ray bill for
0:27:24me
0:27:25Phil what are your thoughts I to hate
0:27:27Thor with every fiber of my being
0:27:29Steve's arguments have moved me these
0:27:33arguments don't listen to steve's
0:27:35arguments as a general rule in life I
0:27:38was hoping that my arguments were in
0:27:40there somewhere
0:27:41uh I role for beta ray whatever his name
0:27:43is that the double space horse
0:27:47yes that guy he seems okay well we've
0:27:51got gas we have we have our first upset
0:27:54beta ray bill has defeated Captain
0:27:56Marvel and Steve that's that's like my
0:28:00favorite comic book cover ever to and I
0:28:01had that same reaction which store was
0:28:03really boring and wait a second now
0:28:04there's a space alien with a hammer
0:28:06I'm more interested
0:28:07so beta ray bill and the upset moves on
0:28:10we will move to our next round where
0:28:12green lantern advocated by chip the
0:28:16number three seed in the central city
0:28:17region will be facing hawk-eye this is
0:28:21the 14th seed Hawkeye this is younger
0:28:24Hawkeye Kate Bishop not older Hawkeye
0:28:27Clint Barton who will be hearing from
0:28:29later k Bishop advocated by Dan Morgan
0:28:33dan will you please go ahead and
0:28:36advocate for Kate Bishop Hawkeye
0:28:37absolutely well my respect for the Green
0:28:40Lantern Corps is second to none but Kate
0:28:43bishop doesn't have a magic ring she has
0:28:45guts and clits but which is it forgets
0:28:49but she's basically so with a person
0:28:51with no superpowers she is essentially
0:28:54like at one point I think the young
0:28:55avengers try to rescue her and she
0:28:57basically turns out to essentially help
0:28:59rescue yourself and then the rest of the
0:29:00young avengers like you guys are
0:29:01terrible at this
0:29:02not only does she like talk smack to
0:29:03both captain america and Hawkeye for
0:29:06basically not doing their jobs well
0:29:08enough in terms of like training these
0:29:10these younger heroes
0:29:12she essentially you know basically goes
0:29:14out her or her own takes for an
0:29:15initiative to become a hero and earns
0:29:17the mantle of Hawkeye in her own right
0:29:19she's pretty much almost as good an
0:29:21archer as clint barton she's the only
0:29:23person who will sort of like not take
0:29:25his crap and Mike calls him on his stuff
0:29:27which is awesome she helps him fight
0:29:29crime not like big like superheroes
0:29:31necessarily that are super villains that
0:29:33are always like trying to like destroy
0:29:34the world but like serious crime
0:29:36problems that affect people who live you
0:29:39know on the streets so she's got like
0:29:42that whole like blue-collar aspect to it
0:29:44which is which is great i think she's
0:29:45she's she's a pragmatic practical
0:29:48superhero and she just super kicks ass
0:29:51and pretty much every way and clint
0:29:52barton even with his dog cannot keep up
0:29:55so I say Kate Bishop all the way I got a
0:29:58quick question before we move on so
0:30:01she's Hawkeye and clint barton and talk
0:30:03at the same time
0:30:04yes they're actually they're actually
0:30:05both hot guys Kohaku's MCR go hawkeyes
0:30:08indeed in fact there's dialogue where
0:30:10they will say after you Hawkeye know
0:30:12after you Hawkeye because they say yes
0:30:15they they were she was and she was added
0:30:17as i am busy and then he would have
0:30:19black as a hot guy and they take 15
0:30:21another both Hawkeyes and which one of
0:30:23them is a surgeon in the Korean War uh
0:30:25that would haha that would be Alan Alda
0:30:28who is an eight seed in a different
0:30:31racket i rule for Trapper John chip
0:30:35please go ahead with your discussion of
0:30:38green lantern ok but I'm kind of in
0:30:40trouble here because I've got a good
0:30:41friend who cost place at Kate Bishop so
0:30:43apologies in advance but oh you're
0:30:46eliminated right now
0:30:47oh hey no continue kids India's it's
0:30:51only open a Green Lantern Hal Jordan is
0:30:54the greatest wish fulfillment character
0:30:56in comics he's got a magic ring it's
0:30:58science but come on to a ten-year-old
0:30:59it's totally magic at that can do
0:31:02anything as long as the weather has
0:31:04enough willpower flight energy beam
0:31:06space travel solid light constructs with
0:31:10which you beat the tar out of bad guys
0:31:12great costume too but two things for me
0:31:15put green lantern over the top as the
0:31:17greatest hero of all time
0:31:19first he's a devil-may-care test pilot
0:31:22he's a fearless thrill sick secret
0:31:25that's a lot of fun in characterization
0:31:27but second in contrast soon after he
0:31:29gets the ring he finds out he was chosen
0:31:31to be just one of 3599 other space
0:31:37policeman in the Green Lantern Corps and
0:31:39at its best
0:31:40this contrasts between a loan test pilot
0:31:44and the member of a huge police force
0:31:46he's a complicated compelling hero and
0:31:49he's the greatest hero of all time
0:31:51may I ask question sure one min select
0:31:56one of the dacian that Jason's given up
0:31:59already and I was gonna say no but I
0:32:02really rather hear the clouds and
0:32:03instead of kyle rayner or jon stewart or
0:32:07even guy what's-his-name guy gardner
0:32:11honey hockey which is English my english
0:32:13is green lantern what ya guys spoilers
0:32:16spoilers in order no crab face no vest
0:32:28and he was and he was robbed out of a
0:32:31place on the justice league cartoon all
0:32:33allow it right Phil what's your what's
0:32:35your verdict then I was moved terribly
0:32:37by the argument in favor of not crappy
0:32:43Hawkeye k bishop
0:32:48yes yes yes not crappy Hawkeye will also
0:32:50accept it not crappy Hawkeye however i
0:32:55will accept Green Lantern as presented
0:32:58to me
0:32:59Green Lantern moves on to the next round
0:33:01well you don't get you don't get to say
0:33:03that without Steve are great lateral
0:33:04moves on to the next round Steve what do
0:33:07you feel
0:33:08um wow well i gotta say a a magic ring
0:33:13has never fun on my list of
0:33:15wish-fulfillment items that but you fool
0:33:19it's like getting more wishes
0:33:20I don't know I find that I find the
0:33:22whole conceit kind of lame that said the
0:33:26whole co hoc I thing I think that feels
0:33:28kind of I think you know get your own
0:33:31name woman earned that name
0:33:35well then why didn't he is surrender his
0:33:38name he did for a while he was learning
0:33:40grown in donating my only son friends
0:33:42names like you put into a ninja for a
0:33:44while
0:33:45well that it that even that weekend the
0:33:48Hawkeye argument even more if I may step
0:33:50on my interject Steve box have two eyes
0:33:54right thank you want yes Hawks easily
0:33:57have to i just want to be up there born
0:34:00with two eyes right piles of the worst
0:34:03birding podcast of every tune in for
0:34:05Best 13 then again i can hardly fault
0:34:10there being two hot guys when there are
0:34:12thousands of Green Lantern's so I'm
0:34:14going hot gay interesting so that that
0:34:17is a split decision I it falls to me I
0:34:21saw the Ryan Reynolds movie so hot I
0:34:23Kate bishop moves on
0:34:25Oh Ryan Reynolds well another upset
0:34:29because thank you ryan reynolds wherever
0:34:31you are is a bad bad bad bad bad movies
0:34:34a lot to answer for dude
0:34:36we move on to our next round number
0:34:39seven seed ms marvel that's Kamala Khan
0:34:41advocated by dan will be going up
0:34:44against Conn c'mon c'mon c'mon not not
0:34:46shiny little money right now she is the
0:34:4912 seed in the funk division number 10
0:34:53the flash this is the wally west flash
0:34:57not the more familiar Barry Allen flash
0:35:01that will be talking to you later
0:35:02advocated by chip chip
0:35:04you're the underdog so please advocate
0:35:06for Wally West as the flash
0:35:08well uh the the previous flash the
0:35:11Silver Age flash Barry Allen he was
0:35:12killed off in the eighties during DC's
0:35:14crisis on infinite earths and on one of
0:35:17the last pages his former sidekick his
0:35:20former sidekick kid flash Wally West he
0:35:24was wearing a new costume instead from
0:35:25this day on I am the flash and this is
0:35:28one of the few times that a sidekick is
0:35:31actually lived up to the dream of
0:35:32succeeding his partner
0:35:35the neat thing about Wally is that it
0:35:37wasn't a comfortable transition he at
0:35:39first he could only run at the speed of
0:35:41sound and he also acted like a real jerk
0:35:44because he had a massive inferiority
0:35:45complex over the years though he grew
0:35:49into the equal of his predecessor he was
0:35:51just as fast just as noble but he hung
0:35:54on to this sort of ADHD personality that
0:35:56he had which makes a whole lot more
0:35:58sense for super speedster then the bland
0:36:02classic Barry Allen Wally West succeeded
0:36:06the DC universe is first and only
0:36:09genuine st. and in so doing he became
0:36:13more interesting by far ship the
0:36:172-minute Time Lord muscles are working
0:36:19really well in this one minute superhero
0:36:22format i just want to point that out
0:36:24dan you get to work cut out for you tell
0:36:27us about Kamala Khan well I i guess i'm
0:36:29drawing a theme here with the spunky
0:36:31teenage girl heroes because Kamala Khan
0:36:33who is from jersey city is exposed to
0:36:37some metal via inhuman miss that makes
0:36:40her manifest these powers where she can
0:36:42shape-shift and she's as a big comic
0:36:45book fan already
0:36:46she she sort of takes it upon herself to
0:36:48use those powers for
0:36:49good even you know in sort of a typical
0:36:51comic book hero away saving you know a
0:36:54fellow classmate of hers who she doesn't
0:36:55really like but you know was in trouble
0:36:56and so that's what heroes do and so
0:36:59Kamala is a among other things writes
0:37:01fan fiction about like superheroes so
0:37:04she's kind of all uh you know well well
0:37:06grounded in that whole reality but she
0:37:09also has her own struggles because as
0:37:10sort of growing up as a
0:37:11pakistani-american and a Muslim that
0:37:14she's like dealing with these different
0:37:16cultural issues you know she has like to
0:37:20deal with her parents who are very
0:37:21restrictive about certain things and so
0:37:22it's hard to like sneak out and be a
0:37:23superhero wear pants are kinda like you
0:37:25know grounding you and stuff like that
0:37:26so she's got this sort of traditional
0:37:28teenage hero blends but seen through
0:37:30sort of a different angle of the
0:37:32American experience that we haven't
0:37:34really experienced as much with
0:37:36superheroes and she's also pretty
0:37:38kick-ass she takes on the name is marvel
0:37:40in inspiration from carol danvers who is
0:37:43now captain marvel and decides that you
0:37:45know she's going to make that sort of
0:37:46hero identity her own and she has
0:37:48awesome shape-shifting powers which
0:37:49really are super cool right thank you
0:37:51Dan
0:37:53Steve what are your thoughts hmm tough
0:37:551i like the idea of the kind of fan
0:38:01fiction fan girl suddenly becoming a
0:38:04hero that's an interesting angle
0:38:06although it sounds an awful lot like
0:38:09Buffy the supervillains lair to me and
0:38:15I'm surprised to hear that there is it
0:38:16and any inhuman missed in New Jersey
0:38:18somewhere that's that's quite quite a
0:38:21twist please don't make me cry
0:38:24don't talk about the inhuman magical
0:38:26mists that turns people into non legally
0:38:28actionable movie characters what you
0:38:30don't care for the Terrigen mists for
0:38:32the crystals are generated I think
0:38:34that's totally makes complete sense our
0:38:37cars will watch will clear this
0:38:41courtroom
0:38:42normal here OCD far be it from us have
0:38:44ridiculous things happening this Comic
0:38:46Book podcast is taking them presently
0:38:48dirt-eater bailiff please Papa Landy
0:38:50where the hell is my gavel
0:38:52maybe my in madurai satisfied on the
0:38:55other hand i also like the idea of the
0:38:57of the the kid flash taking on the
0:39:00mantle and sort of overcoming his own
0:39:02personal Asperger's or ADHD or whatever
0:39:05it is that he has in order to become a
0:39:08better hero so this is a this is a tough
0:39:10one
0:39:10you've got an excellent job free of
0:39:13restating what the two arguments were 15
0:39:16says you have to turn it over in my head
0:39:17from all angles Jason I am that
0:39:19conscientious as a judge of Heroes let
0:39:22me roll this die here and it came up
0:39:26flash all right Phil mr. Morgan would
0:39:30have us believe that shape-shifting is a
0:39:32superhero power shape-shifting is
0:39:34cowardice sir I rule for the flash right
0:39:40flash Wally West moves on her superpower
0:39:44is not waffling I'm reveling in my
0:39:47victory and yet i'm appalled by the
0:39:50grounds for the victory
0:39:52thank thank you chip Thank You chip I i
0:39:54had a role for like that the other check
0:39:57she wins too late to see my best and
0:40:02most reliable shake hands across and
0:40:04roll the dice in chambers they don't do
0:40:05it like actually in front of the
0:40:07defendant that's that's bad for I
0:40:09v-final pairing in the first round in
0:40:12the central city region is again a
0:40:15battle between chip and Dan this time
0:40:17Dan is the underdog chip is going to
0:40:19advocate for our number-2 seed captain
0:40:21america and dan is going to advocate for
0:40:24our 15 seed suggested by Dan and please
0:40:29explain who he is
0:40:30solar man of the atom while the if you
0:40:33don't know it's older man the atom is
0:40:35you're really missing out
0:40:36solar man the atom goes back to the six
0:40:39early sixties sort of out of the the
0:40:41fear of the nuclear age he's a scientist
0:40:44who is exposed to obviously huge amounts
0:40:46of radiation and become sort of a being
0:40:48of largely of energy and power he is in
0:40:52the valiant comics universe the most
0:40:54powerful basically being alive including
0:40:57at one point I believe he the universe
0:41:00is destroyed him how many he just really
0:41:02makes all of it because he is like he's
0:41:04kind of like he's got like a doctor
0:41:05manhattan bad going on but he's also
0:41:06just like this scientist and he deals
0:41:08with a lot of these like psychological
0:41:09issues and how to how to be the most
0:41:11powerful man alive because it's really
0:41:13hard to deal with you know having a
0:41:15normal life when your body is like
0:41:17composed of basically a nuclear furnace
0:41:19so he's gotta a very varied history he
0:41:23was originally one of the gold key
0:41:24heroes of acquired by valiant but I I
0:41:27particularly loved his 1990 storylines
0:41:29in the valiant comics universe where he
0:41:32gets to meet up with a bunch of other
0:41:33characters and has that sort of a big
0:41:36universe a park where he has to sort of
0:41:39remake the universe because it is
0:41:41essentially destroyed so I know he's a
0:41:43less popular hero and you but seed
0:41:45pretty low but he's a he's a really cool
0:41:47dude
0:41:48all right chip ok I really ought to hate
0:41:53captain america he he's the area an
0:41:56ideal fighting against Nazis he
0:41:58literally wraps himself in the flag he's
0:42:01a soldier he barks out orders he's got a
0:42:03rigid moral code and Anthony he's at the
0:42:07pinnacle of human conditioning and how
0:42:08did you get these powers steroids so why
0:42:13do I think captain america is actually
0:42:15one of the greatest superheroes of all
0:42:17time because he does in fact have a
0:42:19superpower he's got unmatchable idealism
0:42:23he believes that he and his country can
0:42:25and must do better he challenges his
0:42:27teammates he challenges government to
0:42:29not be expedient or the pragmatic but
0:42:31just to do what's right
0:42:33he's an amazing fighter in an acrobat
0:42:37and tactician but more than that he's a
0:42:39conscience any catch any cap and he
0:42:41challenges the flag rather than blindly
0:42:43following it
0:42:45captain america i give you solar who's
0:42:48he trying little dig at the end their
0:42:50film what are your thoughts
0:42:52I have always hated captain america and
0:42:55all that he stood for
0:42:56however i do not even remember who dan
0:43:02was advocated god I must roll for the
0:43:13ship them all the superheroes captain
0:43:16america what
0:43:18I actually don't have an inbuilt hatred
0:43:21of Captain America I could take him or
0:43:24give him I but chips advocacy of them
0:43:28was superb and on that basis alone i
0:43:31have to give it to Captain America
0:43:33although I am intrigued by solar man of
0:43:35the atom alright intrigue will get you
0:43:39nowhere except a ticket home solar
0:43:42manatee Adam is it is despatched you
0:43:45will be sad envelope the entire
0:43:46university was happy he he was happy to
0:43:49just be selected our trip to Central
0:43:53City is complete when well that's right
0:43:55folks where one quarter of the way done
0:43:57oh my god I'll be here all about I know
0:44:00our one is complete
0:44:03take a break have a sandwich yeah good
0:44:05times
0:44:06join us tomorrow for the gotham region
0:44:08until then I've been Jason still and
0:44:11this has been the incomparable superhero
0:44:14tournament
0:44:15oh god what are we doing