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00:00:07   Hello and welcome to Connected Episode 616.

00:00:12   It's made possible by our sponsors.

00:00:15   They are Fitbod, Bolt.new, Scribe, and Sentry.

00:00:19   I am your annual chairman, Steven Hackett.

00:00:22   And I'm joined by man of the people, Mike Hurley.

00:00:26   Hello, that is I, and I would have the pleasure of introducing to you

00:00:30   the returning keynote chairman, Federico Patici.

00:00:33   Hello, Federico.

00:00:34   Hello.

00:00:35   I'm back together.

00:00:36   The constant has returned.

00:00:38   The three of us are a unit again.

00:00:41   We are.

00:00:42   What a unit we are.

00:00:43   Feels good.

00:00:44   It feels good.

00:00:45   Let's ruin that feeling by talking about some follow-up.

00:00:48   Okay.

00:00:51   The most advice of the case.

00:00:52   And Connor and many other people.

00:00:54   I'm giving them credit because they were first.

00:01:02   You just hit command option shift V and it past without formatting.

00:01:07   And if you're I didn't say this in the show, I should have.

00:01:11   Also, but we love your feedback.

00:01:13   Keep sending it.

00:01:14   Don't I don't want to sound ungracious.

00:01:16   I am.

00:01:17   But wow.

00:01:18   But um you can also in Mac OS, you know, there's this featured buried

00:01:24   in system settings where you can like remap shortcuts.

00:01:28   For a long time, when I was like a plain text purist when I

00:01:31   was younger, I replaced Command V with this.

00:01:38   So every time I pasted, it was without formatting.

00:01:42   Um, which is cool when you're using envy alt and you're 23, but when

00:01:46   you're 40 and using Notion, maybe less important.

00:01:50   Yeah, look, here's the thing, everyone obviously I know this exists.

00:01:54   Um but you didn't say it.

00:01:56   But I just feel like sometimes we don't need anyway.

00:02:01   The thing is, it is unreliable in Google Docs and Sheets.

00:02:06   It is.

00:02:07   And so this is the whole reason I'm doing this.

00:02:09   I explained that I actually explained this on the show.

00:02:12   I did already say paste and match style is unreliable in Google Docs and

00:02:16   Sheets.

00:02:17   And so to me, having the format stripped before I even try to paste,

00:02:21   it's just more reliable.

00:02:23   Um, and so that's why I do it.

00:02:25   So there we go.

00:02:27   Yeah.

00:02:27   So thank you.

00:02:28   I know, and it's doesn't solve my problem.

00:02:31   I mean, so much about Google Docs and Sheets is so janky.

00:02:36   And it I wish it was better because the products are really good if

00:02:40   you only live within the products.

00:02:43   If you do anything else on your computer, it starts to hurt a little

00:02:47   bit.

00:02:47   Yep.

00:02:49   Okay, that came up because we were talking about Pay Spot, and I realized

00:02:53   I mean Federico wasn't there, and I realized I don't know what Federico uses

00:02:57   for a clipboard manager if he uses one at all.

00:02:59   So Federico, what you doing, boy?

00:03:01   I sure do.

00:03:02   I use paste.

00:03:03   Ooh, that's a good one.

00:03:05   Clipper manager for macOS, iOS, and iPad OS.

00:03:08   Really lovely UI.

00:03:10   So you hit a keyboard shortcut, and this like um tray pops up at

00:03:14   the bottom of the screen on Mac.

00:03:16   You could call it a shelf, maybe?

00:03:17   A shelf, yes.

00:03:19   It is a shelf.

00:03:19   Yeah.

00:03:20   The purists, they know.

00:03:22   You can uh obviously it defaults to to showing you uh whatever you copied.

00:03:27   I really love the visual presentation of this.

00:03:31   Very pretty.

00:03:31   It's very pretty and it shows you all the clipboard items.

00:03:35   Um, it does a few things, it shows you uh the the items as

00:03:39   a thumbnail previews, but in addition to previewing the contents of the item, so

00:03:43   if it's an image, you see the image.

00:03:44   If it's text, you see the text.

00:03:44   It also tells you the type and it shows you the icon of the

00:03:51   app where you copied that item from.

00:03:54   So I just copied some text from Safari and it says text three minutes

00:03:58   ago with the Safari icon.

00:04:00   Um what I also love is that it syncs with iCloud to the iPhone

00:04:03   and iPad.

00:04:04   On the iPhone and iPad, you have a custom keyboard to browse uh your

00:04:08   clipboard items.

00:04:09   This is really nice.

00:04:10   Uh they also have shortcut actions.

00:04:12   So I assigned, I have a I have a uh I have a shortcut

00:04:16   menu tied to the action button with a bunch of shortcuts that I use

00:04:19   on a regular basis.

00:04:21   And one of those shortcuts is a paste action that is just called save

00:04:25   to paste.

00:04:25   So if I'm copying a bunch of things on my iPhone in a row,

00:04:28   like uh a link and an email address, I can just invoke the action

00:04:33   button and save both of them quickly to paste.

00:04:35   Later, when I need to paste those two things, I can switch to my

00:04:39   email client, open the custom keyboard, and then tap on the two thumbnails on

00:04:44   the iPhone to paste them together.

00:04:46   Um I also love that it has an MC, a local MCP thing on

00:04:52   the Mac, so you can ask uh Codecs or Cloud or whatever to look

00:04:56   at things that you recently copied.

00:04:59   Um, I also use a feature called pinboards of paste that basically lets you

00:05:05   create custom shelves.

00:05:06   So they're they're like folders, think of them as folders for reusable snippets.

00:05:12   And I keep um one that is called useful links.

00:05:16   These are like uh links that I open on a regular basis, like our

00:05:20   memberful admin dashboard or the Stripe admin dashboard.

00:05:24   Uh things that I don't want to bookmark in Safari because I it's not

00:05:28   that I'm using them every single day, but they're frequent enough to warrant being

00:05:29   saved somewhere.

00:05:34   But the feature that I the the two pin boards that I really use

00:05:38   are uh Chad GPT prompts and Claude prompts.

00:05:41   These are like th prompts that I use on a regular basis when I'm

00:05:45   working in codecs for Claude, and I just keep them saved there so that

00:05:50   when I'm working on something, I can just reuse that boilerplate text with instructions

00:05:55   over and over from paste.

00:05:57   I've downloaded this, I want to look at it.

00:05:59   I I I really like that it has an iOS app.

00:06:02   I think that is the one down so downside of Pacebot for me right

00:06:05   now.

00:06:06   Um it's not something that I that I'm missing, but it's something I feel

00:06:10   like I could use.

00:06:11   You know what I mean?

00:06:12   Like it it would it would take it to another level.

00:06:15   Um so I'm gonna try this one out.

00:06:17   I want to see if it does the things that I like that that

00:06:19   I've been using PaceBot for, and if it does, then I might give this

00:06:22   one a while too.

00:06:24   Yeah.

00:06:25   Mike, have you bought any storage devices?

00:06:27   No, but I have a very dangerous Amazon cart right now.

00:06:31   So I put a bunch of things in my car and I just haven't

00:06:34   done it yet.

00:06:35   But I'm I know what I'm gonna get, but I I'm I'm very very

00:06:39   careful when I'm buying things on Amazon this week.

00:06:41   Okay, I have to just press the buy it now button because otherwise I

00:06:44   may accidentally charge like two grand.

00:06:47   Yeah, which is what my cart value is right now, because I don't know

00:06:51   if you know, but uh hard drives are really expensive.

00:06:54   They are funny, Federica's listening to to um uh NPC and John's John referenced

00:07:00   that.

00:07:00   Like, oh you know, hard drives are really expensive, and I'm like, yes, John,

00:07:04   I know.

00:07:05   I know because I'm trying to buy like five six terabyte drives or something

00:07:11   like that.

00:07:12   So yeah, I'm gonna do it.

00:07:13   Um I have a car I have uh in this I'm not a hundred

00:07:14   I'm gonna take another look around and and before I do buy I want

00:07:14   to have another look around of the the hard drives that are available um

00:07:25   but I have uh five six terabyte WD Red Plus and the OWC Thunderbolt

00:07:31   Thunder Bay 4 I have the version that includes a copy of Soft RAD

00:07:37   um okay because I know I want to use that and you can get

00:07:39   it a little bit cheaper if you buy it um bundled yeah so yeah

00:07:44   but this this is 1941 which is a lot of money.

00:07:49   My wife whom I love does this she'll just leave stuff in the Amazon

00:07:54   cart.

00:07:54   I don't usually do this I just did this because I wanted to price

00:07:58   it all out you know yeah um and now it's just all sitting there.

00:08:02   So sometimes if I don't notice it like if it's something small uh you

00:08:07   know then it shows up she's like oh I didn't mean to order this

00:08:09   it's like well why is it in the cart but then if I move

00:08:11   it to save for later it's like it's gone from the world in our

00:08:14   mind.

00:08:15   Yeah yeah um we need a better system in our household for this save

00:08:21   for later is not a great it's not great the way that Amazon does

00:08:24   it's like I just never really know where it goes.

00:08:27   Yeah.

00:08:28   So I will do this.

00:08:29   I mean probably it's gonna happen within the next couple of weeks because once

00:08:34   the first like season of design in California is all completed I'm gonna want

00:08:39   to move it because it's a lot of space um but uh I haven't

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00:11:32   The new iPhone is just, I mean, gosh, really just like a month away.

00:11:36   And we've been talking a lot about this, obviously.

00:11:39   A couple of just quick follow-up items to previous conversations.

00:11:43   I've made my bed that I think it's called the iPhone Ultra.

00:11:47   And according to Mark German, quote, everyone at Apple calls it the iPhone Ultra.

00:11:55   Whether they know that's the name or not, who knows?

00:11:58   But that's, you know, that's what people are calling it.

00:12:01   Yeah, I don't.

00:12:02   I mean, I know you think Ultra's like nice or whatever.

00:12:05   No, no, no, no, no.

00:12:06   It's not because of that.

00:12:08   It's just that like most people at Apple do not know product names.

00:12:11   Yeah, which is why this happens.

00:12:14   Right.

00:12:14   Like people fill it in.

00:12:16   But uh, we will see.

00:12:18   I mean, it's it's absolutely wild how close we are.

00:12:21   But sadly, boys, it may be US market first.

00:12:29   And then maybe China two or three months later.

00:12:31   What?

00:12:32   What are you talking about?

00:12:33   I don't buy this at all because I don't like it, so I don't

00:12:35   believe it.

00:12:36   It was on Mac rumors right as we started recording.

00:12:40   Um a Australian outlet says they have been told by local carriers and one

00:12:45   major retailer that the first votable iPhone will be a no-show when the iPhone

00:12:49   18 Pros model launched there in September.

00:12:52   Instead, they believe Apple will release the book style device in the US market

00:12:56   first.

00:12:57   Oh, come on.

00:12:58   With a staggered launch to other key markets.

00:13:01   This is how Federico buys his phone in Germany again.

00:13:04   No, this is how I buy my Samsung uh Z Fold 8.

00:13:08   Or Big Apple Big Apple buddy.

00:13:11   Big uh or Mr.

00:13:13   John Boris flying to Italy.

00:13:15   Is Big Big Apple Buddy still around?

00:13:17   Look at this.

00:13:17   I'm sorry, Steven.

00:13:18   It's gonna be very unfortunate for you because you're gonna need to buy a

00:13:21   phone from me.

00:13:22   Oh yeah.

00:13:23   I'd check give a get a credit check on that man.

00:13:25   Jeez.

00:13:26   Yeah, you're gonna have to buy buy a phone from me.

00:13:28   Yeah.

00:13:28   Because I will be coming to America not too long after the phone releases.

00:13:32   That's true.

00:13:33   Or I'll just I may just have you overnight Fed exit to me too.

00:13:36   Nope, not I just have to see how that goes.

00:13:40   So expensive.

00:13:41   Uh that would really stink.

00:13:43   That would be that would be terrible.

00:13:45   Um Yeah.

00:13:46   I don't know.

00:13:46   This seems I mean look, that might be the case.

00:13:48   I can understand the thinking.

00:13:50   This is a very sketchy rumor.

00:13:52   It it is.

00:13:53   I I I would want this Who's saying this?

00:13:56   An Australian publication?

00:13:57   Yeah.

00:13:58   Like that's even a place.

00:14:01   Channel news.

00:14:02   Like that's a real place.

00:14:03   They just say like that's a real place.

00:14:06   I did.

00:14:07   Um supply.

00:14:08   I'm sorry, like I just don't know if I if I I just don't

00:14:11   think I can trust like an Australian supplier to know the worldwide.

00:14:16   I'm sorry.

00:14:17   Like I just don't buy it.

00:14:14   Wow, the huge UK energy there.

00:14:21   Channel news.

00:14:22   Channel news.

00:14:23   It's uh Australia's number one source for technology news.

00:14:26   Okay.

00:14:27   I think fine.

00:14:30   I think uh I think if this is real, German will weigh in.

00:14:34   I think either way, German will weigh in.

00:14:36   Probably.

00:14:37   Yes.

00:14:38   The the fact that the the fact the fact that nobody else has said

00:14:42   this, right?

00:14:43   And and now this like uh I just don't it just doesn't feel like

00:14:48   a thing to me.

00:14:48   I mean, maybe it's right, maybe it's right.

00:14:51   And and channel news is correct, but I just this just feels like a

00:14:54   quick way to grab a headline.

00:14:56   Don't you miss the days when Jim Dar Limpore would just say nope to

00:14:59   things?

00:15:00   I mean, I would like a yep or a nope to this.

00:15:02   Maybe I should somebody should ask Mark Gurman what he thinks.

00:15:05   Now it's just uh it's just uh saying on that that people that that

00:15:09   Apple should fire Craig Federigi.

00:15:11   That's that's what you did.

00:15:12   Oh, really?

00:15:12   So it's great opinion.

00:15:14   It's a great and very relevant opinion.

00:15:16   Yeah.

00:15:16   Uh uh anyway, I hope this is not the case.

00:15:20   And uh because I really want to get an iPhone fold.

00:15:23   We just did an episode of MPC before this, and Brendan got a Z

00:15:28   Fold 8.

00:15:29   Oh, I can't wait to hear what he thinks.

00:15:31   He's been basically gushing for 25 minutes about the Z fold 8 and showing

00:15:35   off how incredible it looks like when what when you're playing games on it

00:15:40   in I think.

00:15:41   I would like to make this prediction though, uh, on this show about that

00:15:44   show.

00:15:45   Uh he will not last the year.

00:15:48   Well, interesting, because that's his whole thing now that he's switching to Android.

00:15:52   No, I know.

00:15:52   Uh he mentioned it in the last episode, and my bet is he does

00:15:56   not make the year.

00:15:58   Interesting.

00:15:58   Okay, we'll see.

00:15:59   We're making cross show bets.

00:16:02   Yeah, cross show bets.

00:16:03   Okay.

00:16:05   Anyway.

00:15:59   Any anyway.

00:16:07   Um everyone calls it the ultra.

00:16:11   But everyone in Australia thinks that it's not coming up.

00:16:17   Look, I just it's not anything on this outlet.

00:16:21   It's just like it's these things happen all the time, right?

00:16:23   Like just is here's one person said this thing to someone, and it's like,

00:16:27   who knows?

00:16:28   And it's they could do this, but uh there aren't there the reports of

00:16:34   it being limited, that is already starting to say is not a thing.

00:16:39   So I'm just not sure if I if I buy it.

00:16:44   We'll see.

00:16:45   Sounds like I'm gonna buy it.

00:16:47   You will be buying it, yeah.

00:16:48   That's true.

00:16:49   We've also spoken about the uh the colors of the iPhone 18 Pro and

00:16:56   Pro Max.

00:16:57   Looks like some sort of black or space gray, a blue, a dark cherry,

00:17:02   and then a to my eye, slightly darker silver than the 17 Pro.

00:17:08   Um, and uh anyways, I I asked a Gen Z person about these colors

00:17:14   the other day.

00:17:15   I'm sorry, I I went back to this article.

00:17:17   I'm sorry.

00:17:18   I have one more thing.

00:17:19   Okay.

00:17:20   Wait, there's one more thing.

00:17:22   Apple management is not expected to reveal pricing for the fold at the September

00:17:26   8th event.

00:17:28   What?

00:17:28   That's what this article says.

00:17:30   Australia says that or MacRimer says that.

00:17:32   Australia says that.

00:17:33   Okay.

00:17:34   David David Richards says that.

00:17:36   Probably a bit better than that.

00:17:37   They're not gonna talk about the price of the product at the launch event.

00:17:41   Okay.

00:17:41   Um really.

00:17:43   Alright.

00:17:44   I agree.

00:17:46   So I don't know.

00:17:47   Fake news.

00:17:48   I don't know about this article.

00:17:50   Fake.

00:17:51   Wait a second.

00:17:52   Is this a real website?

00:17:55   Do you think they just like they get bungled by AI?

00:17:58   Look, I mean.

00:18:00   Look, um so I'm trying to click on the byline and it takes you

00:18:04   nowhere.

00:18:05   I'm trying to find a social profile for this website, and they have 600

00:18:10   followers on X.com.

00:18:13   Um, with the last post to being in August 2020.

00:18:16   It's Australia's number one source of technology news.

00:18:19   I think MacRumors may have gotten duped.

00:18:22   Which means I got duped for talking about it here.

00:18:26   Dupe doop should whoop.

00:18:28   Uh I mean, yeah, there's like another thing.

00:18:31   Hey, maybe look, maybe uh if it's a real website, please don't take any

00:18:35   offense.

00:18:35   It just it it rings some alarms for me.

00:18:40   That that's all.

00:18:41   Like, um gotta be skeptical these days.

00:18:44   Yeah, unfortunately.

00:18:47   But yeah, I mean, not r not revealing the pricing info at the September

00:18:52   event.

00:18:53   Okay.

00:18:54   I mean, there's just no world in which that's true.

00:18:57   Right.

00:18:59   Okay.

00:18:59   Absolutely not.

00:19:00   I mean, I found David Richards on LinkedIn.

00:19:02   Like, seems to be a person that exists.

00:19:06   Uh, so they're owned by another company.

00:19:08   So it's probably a real company and a real website with just really bad

00:19:12   opinions.

00:19:12   Yeah, which is fine.

00:19:14   I just don't I just don't buy that.

00:19:16   Like, yeah, I don't buy that they won't say the the amount of money

00:19:20   that it costs.

00:19:21   If like I could imagine it if like it's like Vision Pro, right?

00:19:25   Here's this thing.

00:19:26   It's not coming out now, so we'll talk about it later.

00:19:28   Like, but that's not the case, right?

00:19:30   At most it will be a couple of weeks as a as a different.

00:19:29   I just can't imagine that they won't talk about the pricing.

00:19:36   That would that's wild.

00:19:39   Yeah, I agree.

00:19:40   Anyways, I asked a Gen Z person about the dark cherry color.

00:19:44   And she was very thing and I'll be done.

00:19:51   Apple management, I there's the the full s the full sentence, which I've just

00:19:55   noticed.

00:19:56   Apple management is not expected to reveal pricing for the fold at the September

00:19:59   8th event, where the iPhone 18 Pro, 18 Pro Max, and iPhone Ultra will

00:20:04   also be unveiled.

00:20:06   Hmm.

00:20:08   What are we doing?

00:20:09   I don't know.

00:20:10   Like that just doesn't make any sense.

00:20:11   What so there's an there's another secret phone called the iPhone Ultra that's not

00:20:15   the folding phone?

00:20:16   Could be.

00:20:18   Come on, everybody.

00:20:19   Let's read these articles before we link to them.

00:20:21   Like, what are we doing?

00:20:25   Okay.

00:20:26   Not great.

00:20:27   All right.

00:20:28   Anything else about Australia?

00:20:29   Mike?

00:20:30   And also it's not even gonna be September 8th, right?

00:20:32   Like, that's not even what the rumor is that like Mark Gurman is like

00:20:36   saying it's not gonna it's gonna be like the 9th, because it's the day

00:20:39   after Labor Day.

00:20:39   Ah come on, everyone.

00:20:42   Like, let's let's just do some reading.

00:20:44   Yeah.

00:20:45   Let's just read.

00:20:45   They shouldn't have linked to it and I we shouldn't have talked about it.

00:20:48   I'm sorry.

00:20:48   I'm sorry.

00:20:50   No, we've all learned a valuable lesson.

00:20:52   We've all learned a valuable lesson.

00:20:54   Don't trust Mac rumors.

00:20:55   Well, no, but like it's the look, the service that that sites like 9

00:21:01   to 5 Mac and Mac Rumors provide should be as filters of this information.

00:21:08   Right?

00:21:09   Agreed.

00:21:10   And so we all kind of hope that they re that they have fully

00:21:14   read and understood what they're linking to.

00:21:17   And like sometimes, I mean, I I like sometimes they will say, like, oh,

00:21:22   take this one with a grain of salt, da-da-da-da-da.

00:21:25   You know?

00:21:26   There's no there's no salt here.

00:21:28   It doesn't seem like that, no.

00:21:30   Yeah.

00:21:30   I am mostly amused by Mike going from the enthusiast to the destroyer in

00:21:36   this segment.

00:21:36   Again, I I wouldn't put this on my website.

00:21:40   I think I said it when we launched of like, you will get that

00:21:43   part of me here.

00:21:44   Yeah.

00:21:45   You know, that's what everybody gets.

00:21:47   When's the last time you put anything on your website?

00:21:50   Look, I'm busy, man.

00:21:52   I'm busy.

00:21:53   You're gonna have a post soon.

00:21:54   I'm back at blogging.

00:21:56   No, I'm not gonna do that.

00:21:57   I just I I the time that I would spend writing is currently being

00:22:04   spent editing.

00:22:05   Sure.

00:22:06   And I think it's probably more important that I edit design in California than

00:22:11   than write about some videos I found on YouTube.

00:22:14   I certainly think so.

00:22:15   Yeah.

00:22:16   Can I now talk about dark cherry?

00:22:18   I would love you to.

00:22:19   I'm so sorry.

00:22:20   Black, light blue, silver, dark cherry.

00:22:23   I asked a Gen Z person.

00:22:24   She was very excited about Dark Cherry.

00:22:26   It's a very Who is your daughter?

00:22:28   We should say No, no.

00:22:29   Somebody I work with.

00:22:30   No, okay.

00:22:31   Oh, oh, you work with a 16-year-old.

00:22:35   No, Gen Z is older than that now.

00:22:37   Yeah.

00:22:37   Okay.

00:22:38   Gen Z.

00:22:39   Okay.

00:22:41   Uh, we're just taking a face value that this is not your daughter.

00:22:44   1997, 22, 20, 12, 12, minus 1997.

00:22:48   29.

00:22:49   Oh my gosh.

00:22:50   29 year olds are Gen Z.

00:22:52   So you're working with a 29 year old and you're just hacking.

00:22:54   This person is part of the team at CrossFord.

00:22:56   Yeah.

00:22:57   Okay.

00:22:58   Okay.

00:22:59   Not related to any of us.

00:23:01   Okay.

00:22:59   Unrelated to any of us.

00:23:02   And we were talking about some color stuff, and I said, hey, what do

00:23:05   you think about these?

00:23:05   And she was she was very up on dark cherry.

00:23:09   So maybe you know, maybe it'll do well.

00:23:12   Question is do we think they're going to do four?

00:23:14   And what do we think about these colors?

00:23:16   See, I don't think they're gonna do a black one.

00:23:18   Right?

00:23:18   Like they didn't last time.

00:23:21   I feel like it's probably two colors and a silver, but or maybe they

00:23:24   just people were so mad that they were gonna do a black one.

00:23:28   Um, but I don't know.

00:23:29   But I like the blue one.

00:23:31   I'll probably get the blue one.

00:23:32   I'm popular opinion here.

00:23:34   Yeah, man.

00:23:35   I find the colour conversation the most boring stuff ever.

00:23:38   Okay.

00:23:39   And I I mean, uh like I put this thing in a case.

00:23:43   Uh in fact, I would say I care more about cases than than the

00:23:45   colour of the case.

00:23:46   Oh, you say, well, I don't do cases, so I care about the colour.

00:23:49   Yeah.

00:23:49   Yeah.

00:23:50   You would care about the colour of your case because that's what you're gonna

00:23:52   see.

00:23:53   I agree that it is ridiculous that we that like there is so much

00:23:58   conversation spent about colour when most people don't ever see the color of their

00:24:04   phone.

00:24:04   It's important to me because it is what I see, but I understand that

00:24:08   like for most people, it's funny that we spend so much time focusing on

00:24:11   it because people just put them in a case that with whatever color that

00:24:14   they want in the end of it.

00:24:15   It should all just be silver.

00:24:18   I mean, it looks fine.

00:24:20   The light blue is very ugly from the light blue, so I'm sorry.

00:24:26   I don't like the cherry.

00:24:27   That's not for me.

00:24:28   I don't think in these images, but again, you never know how it's actually

00:24:32   gonna turn out.

00:24:33   So we'll see.

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00:26:04   And now is the time.

00:26:05   Got an M4 MacBook Pro from a few years ago.

00:26:10   And I feel like it's it's it's approaching uh its time.

00:26:15   I don't know.

00:26:16   Maybe it's Golden Gate.

00:26:18   Maybe it's Golden Gate.

00:26:20   Uh maybe it's the fact that I've really pushed this computer over the past

00:26:25   year.

00:26:25   But it gets hot very often.

00:26:30   The battery is not what it used to be.

00:26:43   Codex the codex app on the Mac has been problematic for like the way

00:26:47   that it was writing cash files and accessing those large files over and over.

00:26:54   Which supposedly OpenAI fixed uh a couple of months ago.

00:26:58   Uh but the performance hasn't been great.

00:27:01   Um I don't know.

00:27:02   It just feels like it's it's more sluggish now than it's ever been.

00:27:08   And look, and and again, maybe it's Golden Gate, maybe it isn't, although wasn't

00:27:13   Golden Gate supposed to be like a more stable release?

00:27:16   Uh Golden Gate's been okay on my MacBook Neo.

00:27:19   So I don't know.

00:27:22   I don't know.

00:27:22   I feel like I will soon be I will soon be in the market

00:27:26   for a new laptop.

00:27:27   I don't want to buy a new laptop because I really love this computer.

00:27:30   The only way that I would upgrade this MacBook would be to a fancy

00:27:34   one with OLED and touch.

00:27:36   Sure.

00:27:36   Um, so I I I don't even want to consider anything else in the

00:27:40   meantime.

00:27:41   I will just travel with an external battery pack and power adapters and try

00:27:48   to close uh my apps more frequently than before.

00:27:52   But yeah, uh, and also for sure, my next laptop I am gonna try

00:27:57   and save and get the version with the most RAM that I can because

00:28:02   that's the one thing that I wish I I spent a little extra money

00:28:06   on, yeah, two and a half years ago when I got this computer.

00:28:10   Um so do we know when that's coming out?

00:28:13   Is it gonna be 27?

00:28:15   Probably not.

00:28:16   I don't think I think I don't think at this point it's this year.

00:28:19   So um we're gonna let it ride until 27.

00:28:22   Yeah, and then we'll get the MacBook Pro.

00:28:25   I mean I've got an M4 Max MacBook Pro, and I that has not

00:28:28   been my experience at all.

00:28:30   Maybe you just have a bunch of like tiny same altmans running around your

00:28:34   computer.

00:28:34   Maybe that you can't find.

00:28:36   The open weight models are duplicating.

00:28:39   They are they're hanging on to hanging onto every piece of RAM you have

00:28:45   and then running running wild in there.

00:28:48   Yeah.

00:28:50   Yeah.

00:28:50   But yeah, I don't think uh at this point, I don't I don't think

00:28:53   the OLED is this year.

00:28:55   Um I mean, I could certainly be wrong.

00:28:57   I would like to be wrong because I'm very interested in that computer, but

00:29:00   I just don't I just don't think it's gonna happen.

00:29:04   They can barely ship what they're selling now.

00:29:06   You know.

00:29:07   Yeah.

00:29:09   I don't remember what Mark Gomez lost if he's still saying like as early

00:29:14   as this year or whatever, you know.

00:29:17   I don't know.

00:29:17   Um but at this point I think it's probably all just moving around too

00:29:22   much for anybody to try and grab a hand off of like when these

00:29:25   things are gonna be coming out and when they're not.

00:29:27   Um but it you know, it's it it depends on do they have other

00:29:31   stuff that they want to ship or not?

00:29:33   We'll we'll have to find out.

00:29:36   Have you looked at like activity monitoring stuff, Federica?

00:29:39   You could you have a handle on on what the computer says it's doing?

00:29:43   Yeah, before when we were doing the follow-up segment, the fans were spinning again,

00:29:48   and it was codecs.

00:29:50   So I quit codecs, and now it's gotten better.

00:29:52   Now the my problem is the totally generic stuff.

00:29:56   Like, for example, two gigabytes on Windows server.

00:29:59   What is Windows Server?

00:30:00   I I was having a lot of problem with Windows Server on my MacBook

00:30:03   Ad.

00:30:04   One gigabyte kernel task.

00:30:06   Yeah.

00:30:07   Okay.

00:30:07   You got a kernel.

00:30:08   Um you need the kernel.

00:30:10   Um it's just random things that start spinning up and then quiet down with

00:30:17   no apparent reason.

00:30:20   So I currently have 48 gigabytes of memory on kernel task and activate.

00:30:27   Let me look at my that doesn't seem right.

00:30:29   Sexy.

00:30:30   Okay.

00:30:31   Doesn't seem right.

00:30:31   What's he doing?

00:30:33   What are you doing?

00:30:34   Something's happening.

00:30:35   I've got two gigs to Windows Server.

00:30:38   Um Chrome helper has a gig.

00:30:41   It's fine.

00:30:42   47 gigabytes is a lot, bro.

00:30:44   When's the last time you restarted those things?

00:30:46   Jeez.

00:30:47   Restarted what things do you have?

00:30:50   How many windows do you have open, Mike?

00:30:52   Like not many.

00:30:53   Not many.

00:30:54   Not many.

00:30:54   And there aren't many apps open either.

00:30:56   I'm not I'm not like doing anything wild in here, but I got 48

00:31:00   gigabytes of memory being assigned to kernel underscore underscore task.

00:31:04   Hmm.

00:31:06   So the kernel probably isn't important.

00:31:09   Should I just quit it?

00:31:10   Uh no.

00:31:11   Please don't just press the X button.

00:31:14   You should re force quit force quit Windows Server and kernel task.

00:31:17   See what happens.

00:31:19   Kill all.

00:31:21   Just do it.

00:31:21   Just do it.

00:31:22   Open terminal.

00:31:23   What should I type in Federator?

00:31:24   Oh, but oh, by the way, by the way.

00:31:26   This is uh now now that I mentioned terminal.

00:31:30   Really unrelated, but a really nasty thing that happened to me yesterday.

00:31:38   So I am setting up a Mac Mini uh from scratch in my little

00:31:45   data center in my storage unit.

00:31:48   And I'm doing some of the initial setup myself manually, like I always do.

00:31:53   I want to do that.

00:31:53   Hey, how did you get networking down there?

00:31:58   Well, let me tell you a story.

00:32:00   Um so I I'm doing the setup, I'm installing one password and and enabling

00:32:07   SSH, like all the things that I do myself.

00:32:10   And then I open Google and I Google uh Codex app for Mac.

00:32:16   And I click on the first result, and I'm trying to find it again,

00:32:20   but it's gone.

00:32:21   So uh the first result looks like an open AI domain, and it says

00:32:26   download the codex app for Mac.

00:32:28   And I click on it and I land on this page that looks like

00:32:31   the OpenAI website with a screenshot of codecs for Mac.

00:32:35   And it says Codex for Mac, you can use the app, you can use

00:32:39   the CLI.

00:32:40   Uh you can start the installation by copying and pasting this terminal command.

00:32:44   And without even thinking about it, I copy the command, then I open terminal

00:32:48   and I hit paste, and I look at it, and it's a giant string

00:32:52   of text.

00:32:54   And I stop before hitting enter, and I'm like, wait, am I getting physed

00:32:59   right now?

00:33:00   And yes, uh, there was a Google search result that masqueraded as the OpenAI

00:33:07   website and drove people to downloading the codex app for Mac.

00:33:12   Even the beginning of the terminal command looked right because they were hitting this

00:33:18   fake open AI website.

00:33:19   It was probably like open al.com or something like that instead of the letter

00:33:24   Y.

00:33:25   Um, but at the very end of the command, there were like some like

00:33:28   long string of text that was probably like some encoded, like base 64 encoded

00:33:36   command that I'm sure was gonna install malware on your computer.

00:33:40   But that brings me to a semi-related topic.

00:33:44   Well, because you mentioned the terminal.

00:33:47   Didn't Apple put in place some kind of safeguards that were supposed to tell

00:33:52   you if if you copied a terminal command in your clipboard that were dangerous

00:33:57   to run.

00:33:58   Did I make this up?

00:34:00   No, it it's I don't know.

00:34:02   Because it didn't work.

00:34:03   Yeah, I don't know what triggers it if there's if they're looking for certain

00:34:07   arguments or commands that you're gonna paste in, but they have done some stuff

00:34:11   around that.

00:34:13   Yeah, I'm looking, Jason wrote about it.

00:34:16   There are some very specific scenarios, I think, in which it does ask you

00:34:21   that.

00:34:22   Um but I don't know what they are off the top of my head.

00:34:26   Yeah.

00:34:26   Anyway, uh they almost got me, but not this time.

00:34:31   In 26.4, Apple looks for specific strings on the clipboard and blocks them with

00:34:36   a warning.

00:34:38   There you go.

00:34:39   Maybe it just didn't trigger that.

00:34:41   Yeah, I would I would hope.

00:34:43   I don't know that this would be true, but I would hope that they

00:34:46   could update that list remotely, like they do with X Protect.

00:34:49   So if something new surfaces, they could update that list and you would be

00:34:57   safe, you know, before like the next Mac OS release.

00:35:00   I'm not sure how that works under the hood, but I would hope that's

00:35:02   how they do it.

00:35:04   That's scary, Federico.

00:35:06   That is a little scary.

00:35:08   That's not good.

00:35:10   Pay attention to the things you copy.

00:35:12   Don't yeah, don't paste stuff from the internet to your terminal unless you know

00:35:14   it know it is doing.

00:35:15   Yeah.

00:35:16   Yeah.

00:35:17   Speaking of Mac OS and Golden Gate, we are on beta five now on

00:35:23   the developer side of things.

00:35:26   Uh a couple of changes on the iOS front, the liquid glass slider, the

00:35:31   clear end, it seems more clear.

00:35:33   Is that how is that y'all's impression of it?

00:35:35   It's like people are saying this, but like I don't I didn't notice it.

00:35:39   That's kind of yeah, that's kind of how I feel.

00:35:42   You can see some before and afters in places, and like, okay, when you

00:35:45   show me that, I guess I see it, but I didn't notice it using

00:35:49   my iPhone for multiple days, and I have it on the maximum clearness.

00:35:54   Yeah, I have been all over the place with my setting, and I'm a

00:36:01   little ashamed to admit I kind of like it the more opaque.

00:36:06   You shouldn't have to do it.

00:36:06   Less opaque, more less transparent.

00:36:10   I like it.

00:36:11   Do you mean the clearest?

00:36:12   The least clear.

00:36:14   Oh my god, I still don't know what it was.

00:36:17   So on one end, it's the clearest liquid glass.

00:36:20   And on the other end, it's the least clear.

00:36:23   You can see less through it.

00:36:25   Hold on.

00:36:25   Just say the opposite.

00:36:27   Stop saying least clear.

00:36:29   The most unclear.

00:36:31   No, no, no.

00:36:33   You are the most unclear.

00:36:35   It's clear and opaque.

00:36:37   Right?

00:36:38   Yeah.

00:36:38   I'm on the opaque end of things.

00:36:40   Oh.

00:36:40   Tinted.

00:36:41   This is what I've got.

00:36:42   Tinted.

00:36:43   Thank you, Zoe.

00:36:43   You should be ashamed of that, yes.

00:36:45   I kinda well part of it is I changed my lock screen photo for

00:36:49   the first time in years.

00:36:51   And the new one really struggles with super clear notifications.

00:36:57   Okay.

00:36:57   And I like the picture.

00:37:00   So I don't know.

00:37:01   Have you tried using your phone in dark mode?

00:37:03   I do every night.

00:36:59   I'm like Federico.

00:37:05   Day mode, day phone, night mode, day phone.

00:37:08   Same phone, different modes.

00:37:10   Night mode, day phone.

00:37:11   In this economy, you can't afford a day phone and a nightphone, so you

00:37:14   just have two modes on one phone.

00:37:16   Okay.

00:37:17   Because it does look a little better in general.

00:37:19   Like the clarity's a little better because it does a bit of tinting to

00:37:22   the well, it it changes the color of the glass a little bit.

00:37:25   But no, I'm all the way to the maximum.

00:37:27   Something I always find so funny.

00:37:28   Any social media post that is about this, you always find people saying, No,

00:37:34   more clear.

00:37:34   Go back to 26 beta one.

00:37:36   Which I just uh some of this stuff is just so funny to me.

00:37:39   Um, but it's people want more clear.

00:37:42   Uh and they also want less clear, like Steven, I guess.

00:37:45   More less clear.

00:37:47   More or less clear.

00:37:49   More or less clear.

00:37:50   A couple other things in here.

00:37:52   A bunch of updated icons, which I think on the whole look good.

00:37:58   I don't think any of them are regression.

00:38:00   I particularly like the new preview icon, and it's not on Golden Gate.

00:38:05   Golden Gate still has the previous one.

00:38:07   Um I hope they change it on the Mac.

00:38:09   It preview has been the same since the beginning.

00:38:12   You know, come back to the Mac.

00:38:13   Back to the Mac.

00:38:14   Craig Federig's up there, his hand is shaking.

00:38:17   But I I think that um they're doing a good job with the icons.

00:38:21   Um and then I like the Safari one.

00:38:23   I don't know exactly I can't tell you exactly what's changed about the Safari

00:38:27   icon, but I like it.

00:38:28   There's a there's a pin in the middle or something.

00:38:31   Okay.

00:38:32   It just feels like the overall the whole thing just feels more vibrant.

00:38:35   Like the sound more.

00:38:38   There's a like a pin that holds the two uh uh arms of compass?

00:38:44   Yeah, not the compass points.

00:38:46   I don't know.

00:38:46   Like the little the little white star in the mid.

00:38:44   Yeah, yeah.

00:38:49   The thing.

00:38:44   The less clear, less clear.

00:38:51   Less clear, more opaque.

00:38:54   Least opaque?

00:38:55   Yeah.

00:38:55   More more north.

00:38:56   Less south.

00:38:57   More less north?

00:38:58   Yeah.

00:38:58   Less north.

00:39:00   I just wished I could see the Siri icon.

00:39:02   I I wished I could change it to the dark mode Siri icon.

00:39:06   I I like it.

00:39:07   I like the black Siri icon more than the white Siri icon.

00:39:11   Huh.

00:39:12   I actually, you know what?

00:39:13   I agree.

00:39:14   I think the light mode one is kind of bad.

00:39:16   Yeah, and so I want the dark mode one, but I can't do anything

00:39:19   about that because I don't like I don't like dark mode icons.

00:39:24   I don't like the way that they look.

00:39:26   And so I'm kind of stuck.

00:39:28   I just wished Apple would let me choose.

00:39:29   Just like a good let's just like the good indie app that Siri is.

00:39:33   Um I would like to be able to change my icon by design.

00:39:37   Okay.

00:39:38   I I will say that beta five has been the most buggy that I've

00:39:43   used.

00:39:44   I have a hilarious bug in messages.

00:39:47   Oh, well the the the top of the UI cuts off the top of

00:39:50   your messages.

00:39:52   You have to scroll down and up again to be able to tap into

00:39:55   your top row of pin messages.

00:39:57   But it's the most important row.

00:39:59   I have this other bug where if I open some apps, the uh the

00:40:03   ability to swipe to at the bottom to go back to the home screen

00:40:08   um stops working, and I have to lock my phone and unlock it again.

00:40:13   Like I actually, no.

00:40:15   I just opened the Siri app and I cannot back I cannot go back

00:40:20   to the home screen.

00:40:20   Swiping at the bottom does nothing.

00:40:22   Well, because I lock it up.

00:40:23   Oh, I'm hello.

00:40:24   This is my worst nightmare.

00:40:25   I'm stuck in Siri AI forever.

00:40:28   Well, you don't need anything else, you know.

00:40:29   No, but really, how do I go back to Siri?

00:40:33   Go back to the home screen.

00:40:35   I I don't know what to do.

00:40:37   Does it do it?

00:40:38   No, it opened.

00:40:39   Oh my god, it opened the home app.

00:40:42   Hey, at least it let me swipe back, okay?

00:40:44   Maybe close out say that.

00:40:49   You can go back to the lock screen.

00:40:51   It'll it'll give you the functionality back.

00:40:53   I've I've haven't this to you.

00:40:56   I haven't had that problem, but I do have a problem is sometimes the

00:40:58   keyboard just doesn't appear.

00:40:59   It's getting directions to home now, but I am home.

00:41:02   Siri.

00:41:02   Oh my god.

00:41:04   Go home.

00:41:05   Go home.

00:41:06   Go to the home screen.

00:41:08   It knows you saw the Odyssey.

00:41:09   You know, it's less, yeah, it's like he's gotta send him home.

00:41:12   Less app.

00:41:13   Less clear, more app.

00:41:14   More home.

00:41:15   To go to the home screen, swipe up from the bottom edge of the

00:41:18   screen.

00:41:19   You're telling me.

00:41:20   I mean, how I want to.

00:41:21   How did they break that?

00:41:23   That feels like that should not be something they can touch.

00:41:25   To be able what, like the ability to swipe?

00:41:27   Yeah.

00:41:28   Yeah, that is incredible.

00:41:29   Like I don't even.

00:41:31   Does it work if you do that like double swipe?

00:41:33   You know, like sometimes you play a game and you have to swipe and

00:41:36   then swipe again to go home.

00:41:37   Because like the first swipe kind of activates the ability to swipe.

00:41:40   Is it doing that?

00:41:41   Or it just 100% locks you out?

00:41:44   Um hard to say.

00:41:47   I think Federico's gone home is the problem.

00:41:50   Yeah, no, I I'm giving up.

00:41:52   I'm giving up.

00:41:53   And it's just one of the many issues of Siri AI, but yeah.

00:41:56   Yeah.

00:41:57   They've added more accents uh in the Siri voices.

00:42:00   I think it's British English, which is good because I've been able to bring

00:42:04   back the northern accent person that I enjoy very much.

00:42:07   Um, and what I like, I mean, I I can hear it more in

00:42:11   the British English than I did in American English, is the kind of I

00:42:16   think it's expressive, you know, like that it actually just makes the accent thicker,

00:42:21   which is brilliant.

00:42:22   Uh the expressivity um of this is a British three, that is my my

00:42:27   chosen voice.

00:42:28   And as you change the expressivity, which I didn't know was a word, but

00:42:32   I like that expressivity.

00:42:33   Uh it uh it just makes it makes the accent thicker, which is uh

00:42:37   fun for me.

00:42:38   I have it on the middle, um, middle, and then just a little bit

00:42:41   faster.

00:42:42   Uh just one right.

00:42:44   American six pace middle express expressativity one from the top.

00:42:52   I I would tell you if I could open open settings.

00:42:56   Sorry.

00:42:58   He's in prison.

00:42:58   He's probably in prison.

00:43:00   I'm sure you have pace to maximum.

00:43:03   Americ American voice six.

00:43:05   Yeah.

00:43:06   Troll pig.

00:43:07   Just give pace can go faster now.

00:43:10   Okay.

00:43:10   Give give British three a try.

00:43:12   Just just give it a try.

00:43:13   British three?

00:43:14   Yes, a good thing.

00:43:15   Can you demo the voice?

00:43:16   Okay.

00:43:17   Let's find the right voice for you.

00:43:18   I'll practice some things I like to say while you're going to be able

00:43:20   to do that.

00:43:20   Oh, this is this look this sounds nice, but it's it's like a voice

00:43:25   of someone you'd hear on one of these British TV shows where someone gets

00:43:28   murdered in a small town.

00:43:30   I'm gonna make it Irish.

00:43:32   Extremely specific.

00:43:35   No, you know what, Mike?

00:43:36   I'm gonna make it Australian.

00:43:38   Australian is the Australian Siri voices are great, but I don't know if they've

00:43:41   added have they added those into the the new system?

00:43:44   Yeah, but that Siri voice says, you know, that the phone's not not shipping,

00:43:47   so can't be trusted.

00:43:49   Oh, only only British has the new settings.

00:43:52   What are what are we talking?

00:43:53   What are we talking about?

00:43:56   What was the topic?

00:43:57   Oh, yes, beta five.

00:44:00   Uh there's something I noticed uh shared by a friend of the show Steven

00:43:59   Robles and got an article on 95 Mac here.

00:44:06   Um he was playing around with the home app and it said uh it

00:44:12   gave him the message upgrade your iCloud Plus plan for more Apple intelligence get

00:44:16   more access to Apple intelligence features increase storage and more now there was no

00:44:22   option for him to do this uh because there is like a a limit

00:44:25   on the amount of cameras that you can have on the current top level

00:44:30   iCloud plus plan to be able to get the new intelligence features so it

00:44:35   appears that more tiers are on the way uh for iCloud Plus people be

00:44:39   crying all right what you said more tears on the way crying sorry I

00:44:47   did not understand but it was a really good joke more tears or less

00:44:50   tears this was one of those stories that went around people like oh you

00:44:54   gotta pay for more for series like yeah they said that WWE C was

00:44:58   no one listening like this is not well actually they said it was on

00:45:02   that the no the news is that it's not just the ones that exist

00:45:07   like that was not made clear like they said that uh iClo being an

00:45:11   iP iCloud plus subscriber would get you access to some of the more intense

00:45:16   things but they didn't indicate that there will be additional tiers of iCloud plus

00:45:21   on top of what currently exists that would get you even more than that

00:45:26   so like that is the news here is that you know the two terabyte

00:45:30   plan there will be more okay that you know and that will get you

00:45:34   even more than there currently is.

00:45:36   More more less cameras.

00:45:38   More.

00:45:39   Fewer cameras.

00:45:39   Oh gosh.

00:45:40   Okay.

00:45:40   I made the I made the critical mistake.

00:45:42   Jim, cut that.

00:45:43   I know it.

00:45:43   The fewer and less rule.

00:45:44   Cut it.

00:45:44   Cut it.

00:45:45   Cut it.

00:45:45   No, he doesn't.

00:45:46   That is not in the Stephen Hackers talking about it.

00:45:47   Cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it.

00:45:49   He has no idea what fewer or less means.

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00:49:05   And so the the tiny topic right after this is called review checking.

00:49:13   You want to bundle them together?

00:49:14   Yeah, I mean it's it's yeah, yes.

00:49:17   Uh there were two questions.

00:49:18   How is TC feeling?

00:49:20   When does the writing begin?

00:49:21   Yeah.

00:49:22   Look, um many people are saying that I should start writing.

00:49:30   Many people.

00:49:31   So many people around me, they just won't stop saying it.

00:49:36   Are these people named John?

00:49:39   Are these people here with us right now?

00:49:41   Are they in the group chat with us right now?

00:49:43   Are they taller than me?

00:49:44   You know, all these questions, all these things, the usual questions.

00:49:48   No, um no, look, I haven't I haven't started writing.

00:49:52   It feels late, Federico.

00:49:55   No, no, every see every year you you, and by you I mean y'all,

00:50:01   you and me, Stephen and specifically me, yeah.

00:50:04   You John, Federico, it's getting late.

00:50:07   Oh my god, man, you should start writing the review.

00:50:10   How are you feeling?

00:50:11   Why haven't you started?

00:50:12   You sound like my mom when I like when I tell my mom worried

00:50:16   about you.

00:50:16   When I tell my mom I'm going to go.

00:50:22   When when no, when I tell my mom I'm going on a trip, she's

00:50:25   like, Federico, don't drive too fast.

00:50:27   I know how you drive, don't drive too fast.

00:50:30   No, mom.

00:50:31   Sounds like good advice from mom.

00:50:32   Honestly, it does.

00:50:34   It's good advice, but she constantly worries like I'm about to die or something.

00:50:39   Um anyway, all of this.

00:50:41   My problem, all this to say, my problem.

00:50:46   My problem.

00:50:47   So I was actually talking to Silvia about this, and this year, iOS 27

00:50:53   and iPad OS 27, they're obviously not as exciting for me as specifically iPad

00:50:59   OS was last year.

00:51:03   Um, just the nature of the update, the fact that I got to interview

00:51:07   Craig Federigi before, and then it was all about iPad, right?

00:51:11   That was very exciting.

00:51:12   And also I was very excited about the new design.

00:51:15   It's difficult to get excited about a software update, mostly about um bug fixes,

00:51:22   performance improvements, and some smaller refinements here and there across the entire OS.

00:51:29   I was hoping that throughout the summer, my excitement for Siri AI would grow,

00:51:36   and it hasn't happened yet.

00:51:38   In fact, I think it's gotten worse for me.

00:51:42   I do not have a use case for Siri AI beyond just having a

00:51:49   better Siri than before.

00:51:50   And then of course it depends, right?

00:51:52   Because as you just heard, even just asking go back to the home screen

00:51:55   can trip up the thing.

00:51:57   I am fully aware of the fact that this lack of excitement is because

00:52:03   part of my brain has been poisoned by frontier AI models by other companies.

00:52:08   Yes.

00:52:08   Right.

00:52:09   And it's like I keep thinking of something that you told me, Mike, many,

00:52:14   many years ago.

00:52:15   Like when you fly business class for the first time, it ruins you for

00:52:20   your entire life.

00:52:22   And this is what happened to me with frontier models.

00:52:25   I have been poisoned by the excellent performance.

00:52:29   The business class of AI, basically.

00:52:31   I have been poisoned by the business class of AI.

00:52:33   And now that I'm flying coach with Siri AI, I'm I'm just I'm I'm

00:52:37   trying to use it, but like I'm picking ahead at 1A sitting in front

00:52:42   of me and be like, ah, yes, that's the good spot.

00:52:45   And and every time I use Siri AI and I ask a question and

00:52:48   I get an answer, I'm like, hmm, is this a good answer?

00:52:51   I think I will probably get something better out of ChatGPT Pro or something,

00:52:56   right?

00:52:56   Um it's not that exciting for me, and I haven't had every summer.

00:53:04   I have a moment when I'm like, ah, this is the moment, this is

00:53:09   my angle.

00:53:11   This encapsulates the story that I'm gonna write.

00:53:14   And that has not happened yet.

00:53:17   And maybe it's due to the fact that Apple is still changing the APIs

00:53:22   for third-party developers that want to integrate with Siri AI.

00:53:24   In beta five, yes, in beta five, they're changing things again.

00:53:28   Um maybe it's look, look, I've been trying, or I've been I've been really

00:53:35   trying to switch my workflow to be more Apple compliant.

00:53:42   And I'll talk about this in September.

00:53:44   I am fully after a year, I'm trying to use Apple notes instead of

00:53:49   Notion.

00:53:50   I'm trying to use Apple Music instead of Spotify.

00:53:53   I'm trying to use iMessage more than Slack.

00:53:56   I am really trying to make an effort to use apps on my devices

00:54:01   that I know can be data sources for Siri AI.

00:54:05   It's just not clicking.

00:54:06   The personal context is not working.

00:54:08   Uh on on the next episode of App Stories.

00:54:11   Um, uh I will do this demo live on the show, but I can

00:54:14   talk about it now because we recorded yesterday.

00:54:17   I was literally trying to ask Siri AI, what is something that John told

00:54:22   me three hours ago on iMessage.

00:54:24   Siri had no idea.

00:54:26   My custom plugin for iMessage with co with Chat GPT voice mode found the

00:54:31   message in five seconds.

00:54:29   And it gave me a great answer.

00:54:34   So like I'm really trying to use this thing, but the model is not

00:54:39   good.

00:54:40   And once you get used to a really good model, and you try this,

00:54:45   it's passable.

00:54:46   Look, it it's a passable model, it gives you decent world knowledge, but once

00:54:53   you try the real thing, and by real thing, I mean let's face it,

00:54:57   there are two, maybe three frontier AI companies right now, like it or not.

00:55:03   It's OpenAI, Anthropic and SpaceX.

00:55:06   And once you try one of those, going back to Siri AI, it's like

00:55:10   using GPT-4 from two years ago.

00:55:14   I've been thinking about this.

00:55:15   I've been thinking about you.

00:55:17   Uh yeah.

00:55:18   I was I was having this thought the other day because uh I don't

00:55:21   even remember what it was I was listening to of you, but I was

00:55:23   thinking about this exact thing and knowing that you would still be in this

00:55:27   feeling.

00:55:28   And I think the place that I have settled on here is that and

00:55:34   I think I've meant we've spoken about this before, but Siri AI is not

00:55:38   attempting to compete with the products that you're using.

00:55:44   Okay.

00:55:45   What it is doing, what what it does is just makes the phone assistant

00:55:52   good.

00:55:53   Like it's not the rest of it, it's just it.

00:55:57   I think it does because if I ask you to go back to the

00:56:00   home screen and you don't, and if I ask you to find a message

00:56:03   and you don't, then what kind of assistant are you?

00:56:07   Yeah, I mean, but this is the this is the I think the really

00:56:10   frustrating thing is that I do often have great experiences of it finding messages

00:56:14   and emails.

00:56:21   And why and I want to have those experiences too.

00:56:23   So why don't I have them?

00:56:25   Exactly.

00:56:25   That and I think that is.

00:56:27   What am I doing wrong here?

00:56:28   Yes.

00:56:29   That is the frustrating part where it feels like there are there are wildly

00:56:34   different experiences from person to person, and we can't explain.

00:56:39   And and and it's frustrating, right?

00:56:41   Because it's a non-deterministic type of scenario where we can go back to two

00:56:46   years ago where I really disliked stage manager, maybe somebody else liked it, but

00:56:52   the the topic of contention in the middle could be objectively measured.

00:56:58   That's what it was for everyone.

00:57:00   We can all agree on the way it works.

00:57:04   We can all agree on the product.

00:57:06   Yeah, maybe you like it, maybe you don't, but the product is the product.

00:57:10   Here, the product is constantly shifting for everybody.

00:57:13   Welcome to non-deterministic LLMs, right?

00:57:16   Sure.

00:57:17   But at the very least, other companies have pretty much landed in a place

00:57:24   where if a model is good, it tends to be good for everybody.

00:57:30   Whereas I keep seeing this, and it's not just me, right?

00:57:33   I'm taking a look on social media, I'm I'm taking a look on Reddit.

00:57:38   Some people saying I absolutely love it, other people saying it's useless.

00:57:43   And I don't understand why.

00:57:46   Well, I and I think I understand why, because they're using subpar models from

00:57:51   two years ago.

00:57:52   But why does Mike have a really good experience?

00:57:56   And why don't I have the same great experience?

00:58:00   Like my I was saying, my experiences aren't perfect, but they're possible for for

00:58:05   what I want.

00:58:06   Like, you know, like I I had a thing a couple of days ago

00:58:10   where I was trying to ask it to find a message to me and

00:58:14   Jason to find like an the amount of episodes in a series of the

00:58:18   show.

00:58:19   And it took a couple of questions, like of refining it, but it found

00:58:24   it.

00:58:24   And it ended up being like it showed me the message, and it's like,

00:58:27   I can see why you didn't necessarily pull this the first time, because our

00:58:32   messages, you know, messages between people don't necessarily include all of the context, right?

00:58:38   Because some of it, some of the context is just shared through other means.

00:58:42   But I was able to get what I needed from it.

00:58:46   Um and it just feels like you are not able to get what you

00:58:54   want from it.

00:58:55   And and I just don't know how that is resolved.

00:59:00   Yeah, but but it's also there's that, and there's also the fact that I

00:59:07   tend to use so let's let's just say that this is um you know

00:59:11   that I can use Siri AI as an assistant on device, but also as

00:59:15   a chat bot, right?

00:59:16   Because they want you to use it as a chat bot.

00:59:18   When I want to use it as a chat bot, I don't in I

00:59:23   don't automatically reach out for it.

00:59:26   So we had to do some some tests for one of our dogs a

00:59:29   few weeks ago, and everything was fine, but for a few days I was

00:59:33   really stressed about it because it was a bunch of tests.

00:59:36   And when I got the results, I didn't even think about going to Siri

00:59:42   AI in the chatbot.

00:59:43   I opened ChatGPT Pro, uh I opened ChatGPT, switched to 5.6 Pro, uploaded the

00:59:49   images of the scan and the and the response from the doctor and said,

00:59:53   please analyze this for me.

00:59:55   And like because I know that that's a kind of model that is gonna

00:59:59   take a look at the images, it's gonna think about them, it's gonna find

01:00:02   some medical sources on the web, it's gonna cross-reference results.

01:00:07   I don't trust having that kind of conversation about medical data for my dogs

01:00:13   or for me for that matter, with Siri AI, because I know that it's

01:00:17   a non-thinking model, right?

01:00:19   That is gonna give me generic answers.

01:00:22   And that that goes back to the part of my brain being poisoned, is

01:00:27   maybe a strong word, but like getting used to these kinds of capabilities, and

01:00:32   and we're not talking here, right?

01:00:34   About custom agency setups or workflows, because I know that Siri AI cannot do

01:00:38   that.

01:00:39   We're just talking about a chatbot.

01:00:41   I try look, I try, uh I didn't do the dog question, but when

01:00:46   when we went on vacation, I was doing some trip planning beforehand, and I

01:00:51   was comparing answers across Siri AI, Chat GPT, and Claude.

01:00:57   And the the answers from Siri AI were so shallow compared to the actual

01:01:04   options that ChatGPT and Claude gave me.

01:01:07   And so, and that's a planning a trip, something that everybody does.

01:01:11   And I mean, maybe you maybe people will be perfectly happy with the shallow

01:01:15   options provided by Siri AI.

01:01:18   So, look, I don't know, I really don't know what to make of this.

01:01:21   Is it's it's if they can make the assistant part work reliably, that's gonna

01:01:27   be my angle.

01:01:28   Because as a chat, it's not an agent, it's not a great chat bot.

01:01:33   I really hope they can figure out to the assistant part on device.

01:01:38   Yeah, and the personal context part, and if so, that's gonna be my angle.

01:01:43   I'm gonna give you another example because I I think like the the assistant

01:01:47   thing is is good.

01:01:48   And it's like it's an assistant for everyone, right?

01:01:51   Like I am a technical person, I'm not interested in doing all the things

01:01:55   that you do to you know with with like CLIs and and MCP.

01:01:59   I just I I'm I dipped my toe in it very lightly, but you

01:02:03   have gone much heavier than me, right?

01:02:06   So I needed an answer to something the other day, and you I know

01:02:09   how you would have gotten this answer because you just kind of explained it

01:02:13   in the example that you've given.

01:02:15   But there's there is the potential that I may be able to get faster

01:02:19   internet at home, um, which is fantastic, but it looks like there's better fiber

01:02:25   being laid in my local area.

01:02:27   But I know I'm in a contract um right now, and so I just

01:02:32   asked when did I renew my broadband contract?

01:02:37   And because I didn't know, and it it gave me the answer.

01:02:41   Your contract was renewed on November 28th, 2025.

01:02:45   It was a 24 month contract, so it will be like it'll end on

01:02:50   November 27th, 2027.

01:02:52   And then I said, is there a cancellation clause?

01:02:54   And it said, yes, there is a 30 day notice period required to make

01:02:57   service changes or cancellations, but there's probably an early disconnection fee, which is very

01:03:01   normal with these types of things.

01:03:03   Um, and then it says you'll need to look up what that is, like

01:03:05   go, you know, to talk to them basically.

01:03:08   And I that I got the answer to that question way faster than if

01:03:13   I would have gone to go through my email to try and find it

01:03:16   because I didn't have even have an idea of when it was that I

01:03:20   renewed, I didn't remember, so I would have had to search the name of

01:03:24   my thing and then look through every email, right?

01:03:26   Like, no, that one's a bill, that one's a bill, that's marketing, marketing bill.

01:03:30   But and but this found it in seconds, so that kind of thing is

01:03:34   very useful to me as a person who's not going to attach their email

01:03:40   to an MCP server, right?

01:03:42   Like, that's the difference.

01:03:44   You keep using the word poisoned.

01:03:46   I think it is a perfect word, like in that it's not your brain,

01:03:50   your workflows have been have been infiltrated by AI purposefully, and you're doing incredible

01:03:56   things with it, but that just changes your thinking, and so it it like

01:04:02   the idea that you would replace Siri AI.

01:04:05   No, you're not going to.

01:04:06   You're not going to replace your these things for Siri AI, but it's it

01:04:11   can still give good results.

01:04:12   I can't answer the problem that you are having though, where it's just not

01:04:16   giving you answers.

01:04:17   Like, maybe that's a beta bug, maybe there is something just like horrifically broken

01:04:23   with your index.

01:04:25   I don't know what happens with that, right?

01:04:27   But I think I'm having a better experience than you are, but my experience

01:04:31   is nowhere near as good as the experiences you have with the tools that

01:04:35   you're using because they're just more powerful.

01:04:38   But I I just don't think that everybody needs that power, and it's it

01:04:44   is more, you know, you use the word assistant, it's just a more it

01:04:48   is a more powerful assistant, it is not like a work partner like what

01:04:55   you have, right?

01:04:56   Where this thing is like so powerful that you're working alongside it rather than

01:04:59   just like you know, it's more like a co-worker than an assistant, say, right?

01:04:59   Yeah.

01:05:06   But like an assistant is maybe going to be doing some simpler jobs for

01:05:09   you, but your co-worker is working at the same level that you are.

01:05:12   I think like they're kind of like the differences between the systems that we

01:05:15   have.

01:05:15   So maybe we'll see.

01:05:17   I I don't know what it means for your review though, man.

01:05:19   And uh, you know, I don't know.

01:05:23   I I don't know either, but it it'll I'm confident that it'll come to

01:05:31   me.

01:05:32   And even if it doesn't, I'll get the review done because I'm uh because

01:05:35   I'm a professional.

01:05:36   Yeah.

01:05:37   I would I know myself, I would just prefer to do something inspired rather

01:05:42   than obligated to, you know.

01:05:46   Yeah, of course.

01:05:47   I hope it comes.

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01:07:23   So Google have unveiled in the way that they do, which is always weird,

01:07:27   uh, their new phones.

01:07:29   So this is the full line Pixel 11, 11 Pro, um Pro XL, 11

01:07:35   Pro Fold, along with their watches and some accessories.

01:07:38   You know, this they've had their September event, right?

01:07:41   Um that like what Apple has, they do it a little bit earlier.

01:07:44   As is the way for basically all the companies that aren't Apple, they just

01:07:48   do their announcements in a weird way, right?

01:07:51   Like Samsung do it where the embargo lifts at the moment that the event

01:07:54   begins so nobody watches the event.

01:07:57   This year, Google had the embargo lifting from media in the morning and the

01:08:03   event was in the afternoon.

01:08:05   Hours early.

01:08:06   Really weird.

01:08:07   Very strange.

01:08:08   Like this is like worse still, I guess.

01:08:13   Um and they also they also had like a celebrity host it again there,

01:08:17   Trevor Noah do it this time.

01:08:18   I mean I don't know why they feel the need to continue having like

01:08:23   daily show hosts, right?

01:08:25   Like like talk show hosts to their events.

01:08:27   It was better than Fallon, though.

01:08:29   Was it?

01:08:29   Did you watch it?

01:08:30   Uh I watched a supercut and it was better than the supercut I saw

01:08:34   a Fallon.

01:08:35   So yeah, but still I just don't understand.

01:08:38   Like I just don't know why they would do this, but this is what

01:08:41   they keep doing.

01:08:42   Uh the highlights uh I guess the highlight well actually the highlight is not

01:08:46   highlight which is a system that they have that I'll talk about in a

01:08:49   minute.

01:08:49   Um there isn't really a lot going on with the phones this year.

01:08:54   Um they're essentially the same there is some there's some camera hardware improvements the

01:09:02   the processors are a little bit more uh you know so MKBHD called it

01:09:06   a frustratingly incremental improvement.

01:09:10   Um and in his video is kind of saying that he just continues to

01:09:13   be let down where like he's he continues hoping that Google is going to

01:09:17   make a big leap with their hardware but they just aren't doing it.

01:09:22   Then they just keep making very small hardware improvements.

01:09:26   And there are some software improvements which at least for the time being are

01:09:30   exclusive to this pixel maybe you know rolling out to more pixels etc etc

01:09:35   maybe other Android phones because it is Android at the end of the day

01:09:38   of course um the phones are more expensive um they're all about a hundred

01:09:45   dollars more than the the phones that they're replacing in the pixel lineup um

01:09:51   the way that they're doing this this time is weird.

01:09:54   It're dropping the 128 gigabyte starting model which was 799 dollars for the 128

01:09:59   last year which is weird uh it's now eight ninety nine for the two

01:10:03   fifty six uh this is very similar to what Samsung did.

01:10:07   Maybe this is an indication of what Apple could do.

01:10:11   Maybe, right?

01:10:12   Like $100 seems to be the thing.

01:10:15   I don't know if Apple's going to increase the storage though, because they did

01:10:18   that already.

01:10:23   Do you think it's weird that they haven't increased the price of the iPhone?

01:10:26   Like I feel like it's too late now.

01:10:28   Yeah.

01:10:28   We're way too close now.

01:10:30   And and I I'm surprised that they didn't just do it to take the

01:10:34   edge off when they eventually need to do it.

01:10:36   Does it surprise you, Steven?

01:10:39   Yeah, uh a little bit.

01:10:41   Um I thought that they would do it now.

01:10:46   But then uh sort of my secondary thought that comes on the heels of

01:10:49   that is there's not gonna be a regular iPhone 18 at this event, it

01:10:53   seems like the the eighteen will be in the spring, and so the 17's

01:10:58   gonna stick around longer, and maybe that gives them some wiggle room in this.

01:11:03   I mean, these phones tend to get cheaper other than the RAM, but like

01:11:07   the rest of the process gets cheaper over time.

01:11:09   So maybe the 17 can hold out, but I do think the pros will

01:11:14   be just more expensive.

01:11:15   They could have just increased the pro price, though.

01:11:17   Like they you know, they could they could have just done that.

01:11:19   It's like it's not like they've been consistent with their price increases on everything

01:11:23   else, right?

01:11:23   That's that's true.

01:11:25   Um, here's a weird one.

01:11:27   The Pixel 11 Pro starts at 1099, so it's a hundred dollars now more

01:11:34   for twelve gigabytes of RAM and two hundred and fifty-six gigabytes of storage.

01:11:38   Last year it was nine ninety-nine for sixteen gigabytes of RAM.

01:11:43   So it's more money and less RAM, but more storage.

01:11:47   Yeah.

01:11:48   That's not great.

01:11:49   Uh the eleven profold, not a lot has changed here.

01:11:52   It's a little thinner and lighter.

01:11:54   Um, it's not particularly exciting this year compared to the competition, it feels like.

01:11:58   Uh it's now starts at $1,899.

01:12:03   No one's gonna buy that phone.

01:12:04   No.

01:11:59   Which is rough, but no one's buying that phone.

01:12:07   Um, because the the the Samsung phones are looking so good this year, where

01:12:10   you know, like maybe last year or the year before, the the Pixel Pro

01:12:14   was was seemed like the one to buy, but you know, now the the

01:12:18   competition is kind of heated up.

01:12:20   The hardware addition this year is something called highlight, which is the flash, basically

01:12:28   the flash on the camera for the pixel phones can now be illuminated in

01:12:33   different colors.

01:12:35   So if you're talking to Gemini, it will glow in like Gemini colors for

01:12:40   you.

01:12:41   And also it will glow if you get a phone call, and you can

01:12:46   kind of change the color or glow for different people, and that's it.

01:12:53   Doesn't do anything else.

01:12:54   It could do so much.

01:12:55   No other apps, no other contacts.

01:12:58   This is honestly like absolutely ridiculous.

01:13:03   Like, this is so stupid to do this.

01:13:07   Why would you do this?

01:13:09   Yeah.

01:13:09   I don't get it.

01:13:10   I had an Android phone back in the day, my droid had an LED,

01:13:14   and you could set like different colors to mean different notifications.

01:13:18   And it was awesome.

01:13:20   I think people would find that fun.

01:13:21   And if you don't care about it, you don't care about it.

01:13:23   But if you do, and the Pixel phone is really for enthusiasts, it just

01:13:29   seems like such a waste.

01:13:30   I I really hope they revisit this.

01:13:32   Well, they know it though, right?

01:13:34   So from Joanna Stern, she says, Google told me it's quote, continuing to invest

01:13:39   in this technology and that message notifications are coming.

01:13:43   What are you talking about?

01:13:44   This technology?

01:13:45   What you're lighting an LED, a different color?

01:13:48   Wow, really breaking the mold here.

01:13:51   Like I don't understand this at all.

01:13:54   How can you not get this feature ready for the launch of this product?

01:13:58   Yeah, I don't know.

01:13:59   It doesn't make any sense to me.

01:14:01   Seriously, how hard is it, right?

01:14:03   How hard is it?

01:14:04   Like if you get a message that it lights up.

01:14:08   Just phone calls?

01:14:09   What are we doing?

01:14:10   Like this you created this feature for Gemini branding.

01:14:14   Like that's what this is for.

01:14:15   Yeah.

01:14:15   And that's just ridiculous.

01:14:17   Right?

01:14:18   Like, come on.

01:14:20   I I don't know.

01:14:21   I I I find it very strange.

01:14:24   Uh software.

01:14:26   They've added something called camera looks.

01:14:28   This is essentially Google's uh response to photographic styles, and it's using some of

01:14:32   the same language in the communication that it's not a filter, it's changes to

01:14:36   the processing of the images.

01:14:38   But unlike Apple, uh, you actually get access to other elements like sharpness and

01:14:43   grain, and the overall editing of the uh camera look is more like a

01:14:48   regular editing, which would make Federico happy if Apple added this because it's not

01:14:53   that little touchpad thing.

01:14:54   It's actually like just go in and choose the brightness, go in and choose

01:14:58   the grain.

01:14:58   Imagine that.

01:14:59   So I think that you know, I would like to see Apple continue to

01:15:03   push photographic styles because I really like the feature, and maybe it would be

01:15:06   good if they took uh a call from how Google is doing it here

01:15:08   to make it a little bit more intuitive as to how you would make

01:15:11   the changes.

01:15:11   They also have a bunch of presets, so you could just use the presets,

01:15:14   but if you want to get really nerdy with it, give me everything.

01:15:18   Uh the camera app has a creator suite features.

01:15:21   These are great.

01:15:21   So a teleprompter inside of it.

01:15:24   Uh, I use this in the edits app.

01:15:26   It's really helpful to have a teleprompter just in the camera UI for people

01:15:29   that need to record things to camera.

01:15:32   Social framing guides, so you can put a guide to show like where you

01:15:36   know what are the kind of the safe areas for content.

01:15:39   Um automatic folder structures for video, speech enhancement, and magic capture that automatically generate

01:15:46   stills and short clips from longer video recordings.

01:15:49   All of this sounds fantastic.

01:15:51   Like there are there are social media content creators that will buy a Pixel

01:15:55   phone for these features, but then they'll probably roll out to other phones anyway.

01:15:58   But I think this is a really great suite of features in the camera

01:16:01   app for people that make any kind of short form video.

01:16:05   All of this got me thinking, right?

01:16:08   So this is Google's phone this year, and it seems underwhelming, right?

01:16:13   I'm underwhelmed, at least hearing about this.

01:16:15   Like the the phone itself just doesn't really seem like it's added anything of

01:16:19   value in the thing, its new feature this year, which you know, we know

01:16:23   what Google's like.

01:16:24   Who knows if they'll keep it going year to year?

01:16:26   Like I think about that radar system that they had in one of them.

01:16:31   You know, but they just don't think they've implemented it very well.

01:16:33   And it made me think like, what would it be like if Apple had

01:16:37   competition for phones that ran iOS?

01:16:41   Because the reason that this stands out so much of Google is that the

01:16:47   competitors in Android are making much better products, right?

01:16:50   In like in general every year.

01:16:52   Samsung, and now Oppo, nothing, OnePlus, all of these brands make better phones for

01:16:58   Android than the Android maker.

01:17:02   Which is like an interesting thing because surely Google should make the best phone

01:17:07   for Android, but they don't anymore.

01:17:09   I think there was a time that they did, but they're not now.

01:17:12   And I don't know whether it's Google can't, or if you had other companies

01:17:23   making phones for iOS, that it would show the same thing for Apple.

01:17:26   Do you understand what I mean?

01:17:28   Yeah.

01:17:28   Like if there were other companies could make phones that ran iOS, would we

01:17:33   also say, man, they're just not doing anything.

01:17:36   Yeah, I I don't know.

01:17:38   I I th I do think Google has a little bit of the Microsoft

01:17:43   problem where they do make phones, but they also have to keep OEMs happy,

01:17:48   mostly Samsung in Google's pay and Google's situation, where you know Microsoft with the

01:17:54   surface line, like the surface and the pixel, I think, really are like spiritual

01:17:57   cousins.

01:17:58   So for like some good ideas, some interesting execution, not popular.

01:18:04   And I think that that's uh that's challenging when you don't have the hardware

01:18:09   and software in the same company.

01:18:12   Yeah.

01:18:14   But yeah, this phone doesn't look too great.

01:18:16   Um they had a bunch of other things.

01:18:19   They had uh they have their watch, it's round, uh, continues to be round.

01:18:23   I think the Pixel Watch looks great.

01:18:24   Here's here's a line I found interesting from The Verge.

01:18:27   Google claims it includes the most accurate GPS route tracking for exercise outperforming the

01:18:32   Apple Watch Ultra 3 and the Garmin Phoenix 8 Pro.

01:18:37   Hmm.

01:18:38   Really?

01:18:39   That's what they say.

01:18:40   That's what they say, but I don't expect.

01:18:43   I just don't expect it to sell products.

01:18:46   I it's weird, right?

01:18:47   Like, I don't I don't know.

01:18:49   Like I don't really understand why why they continue to do this.

01:18:54   Like I just it feels like that they peaked.

01:18:57   Like they had a time when like the the pixel was so good, and

01:18:59   it just feels like it's not that time anymore.

01:19:05   But like they they feel like they have to do this, so they keep

01:19:08   doing this.

01:19:09   And you even see it like in in a lot of Google communication and

01:19:13   like presentations, they use Samsung phones.

01:19:15   Yeah.

01:19:18   I mean they basically just use it to get software that they want and

01:19:23   into the world.

01:19:24   Right.

01:19:24   And like you said, a lot of the stuff does roll out to other

01:19:28   phones over time, which which hurts the the reasons you would maybe you would

01:19:34   maybe get one of these.

01:19:35   Um yeah, I think it's a shame.

01:19:37   I I think there's some there are some really good ideas in some of

01:19:40   these phones.

01:19:41   Um, and I think competition is always good, but they just kinda I don't

01:19:48   know, they just kind of do it, right?

01:19:49   It's kind of like ah here here's what we did, and you know, that's

01:19:53   about as far as it goes.

01:19:55   Or as a counter to my question from earlier, maybe the Google phone isn't

01:20:01   good because they have competition, so they're kind of just like ah right.

01:20:08   I mean, maybe like if they were the only game in town, would they

01:20:12   maybe work harder?

01:20:13   Like I don't know.

01:20:14   It's possible because it it doesn't feel like that they're at least this year

01:20:18   that they've really pushed it.

01:20:20   I mean, but this does go back to like the tensor chips, right?

01:20:23   People were like, when that when that was announced, it was like, oh, here

01:20:26   we go, they're gonna start competing, and they're just nowhere near.

01:20:29   Mm-hmm.

01:20:30   So, yeah, that it's falling, it is falling down over there.

01:20:35   It is.

01:20:38   Which is interesting because that's also what people are saying about Google AI right

01:20:41   now, isn't that right, Frederick?

01:20:43   Oh, absolutely.

01:20:44   We're in the foothills of Pixel Singularity.

01:20:44   We're in the foothills of people changing their jobs.

01:20:50   Yeah, it's not looking good for Gemini.

01:20:53   Yeah.

01:20:53   Yeah.

01:20:54   But just give it two weeks and they'll get 1% better on a benchmark

01:20:58   and then it'll change all over again.

01:21:00   Sure.

01:21:02   Well, I think that does it for this week.

01:21:05   Thanks for hanging out with us today.

01:21:07   Um, there's some links in the show notes.

01:21:09   Uh we don't have a lot of time to talk about this, but Mike

01:21:12   is doing something for the podcast a thon, collecting answers for Family Feud.

01:21:17   Yeah, okay.

01:21:17   There's a link to a Google form.

01:21:19   Uh we play uh Family, we play Feuding Families.

01:21:22   It's legally distinct.

01:21:23   We play that every year as part of the podcast a thon.

01:21:26   Uh if you would like to help me out, um you can fill in

01:21:29   some of the form.

01:21:30   It's just like general, like, you know, I ask you to think what's the

01:21:33   first thing you think of when I say this kind of questions.

01:21:35   Yeah.

01:21:35   Feel free to fill out the form if you would like to.

01:21:37   Uh I'm gonna close it next week.

01:21:39   No, no pressure.

01:21:40   But do it if you care about things.

01:21:43   We've had quite a lot of responses already.

01:21:45   So good, which is good.

01:21:46   Like I definitely have enough to make a good game, but uh having more

01:21:50   always helps.

01:21:51   Yeah, I'll link to it on a 512.

01:21:52   I'm sure it crushed the Google form.

01:21:54   I did actually I did have a a big spike, and I think that

01:21:58   might have been why I was surprised.

01:22:00   Power of blogs with so many people here, yeah.

01:22:02   I guess the blogs.

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