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636: Opening a Book Backward

 

00:00:09   From Relay, this is Upgrade Episode 6

00:00:13   for September.

00:00:15   9th, 2026.

00:00:16   It is a Wednesday because we just watched the Apple event.

00:00:20   This episode is brought to you by Keeper Squarespace and Factor.

00:00:23   My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by Jason Snow.

00:00:25   Hi, Jason.

00:00:26   Happy Wednesday, Mike.

00:00:28   Happy Wednesday indeed.

00:00:29   I surprised myself by looking at the date.

00:00:32   Um yeah, we as we're recording this, the Apple event has basically just finished,

00:00:37   like twenty minutes ago or something like that.

00:00:39   Um and so we're coming hot off the presses.

00:00:41   I have a lot of notes.

00:00:42   I'm not sure that these notes make logical sense, but we'll work it out

00:00:46   and I've got product pages in front of me.

00:00:48   But no one wants to hear about any of this because I have a

00:00:50   snow talk question.

00:00:51   It comes from me and I want to know, Jason, what did you think

00:00:55   of the opening video for the iPhone event.

00:00:58   Oh I like so we sort of are getting right into it with Snell

00:01:01   Talk.

00:01:01   That's interesting.

00:01:02   Um I I wasn't sure because I'm thinking, you know, we just shot on

00:01:08   iPhone and it starts to feel like one of those videos where there's the

00:01:11   Indiana Jones like guy walking away from the fire.

00:01:14   I'm like it's like those videos they do about cinematic mode.

00:01:16   But then it turns out that it's this thing about like, Oh, but i

00:01:21   we could start this way, this would be a great opening scene, and this

00:01:24   would be a great opening shot.

00:01:26   And, you know, th there's the samurai running through the forest or and the

00:01:30   and the getaway driver.

00:01:32   And then Tim Cook does the voiceover and what a great pivot that was.

00:01:36   I love that part.

00:01:38   You know, h disappearing into Apple Park and he says, uh, it's the your

00:01:42   main character and Tim K Cook appears and goes, Oh, it's not me.

00:01:46   That's your guy.

00:01:47   And points behind him.

00:01:48   I'm not your guy.

00:01:49   That's your guy.

00:01:50   Like That's your guy.

00:01:51   There are many ways to do something like this wrong.

00:01:56   Right.

00:01:56   Many.

00:01:57   So many.

00:01:57   And I think it was really I think it was quite heartwarming, actually, I

00:02:04   think, as as a moment to be like, yo, he's here, it's a cameo,

00:02:08   it's fun, he's the guy you know.

00:02:09   Actually, I'm not the guy you're looking for, you know?

00:02:12   These are not the CEOs you're looking for.

00:02:14   That's the one over there and turn us Turnus is being an action hero

00:02:17   walking in the background.

00:02:18   It was I thought it was pretty sweet.

00:02:20   Yeah, I think this is the right they nailed the tone here, which is

00:02:24   you don't want it to be too jokey.

00:02:26   Yeah.

00:02:26   But also having it be a little bit light and just having it be

00:02:29   like, ah, you're surprised that it's me, but you shouldn't be, 'cause um I'm

00:02:33   not who I'm talking about.

00:02:35   Like it it was a good setup, it was well scripted.

00:02:37   Good uh good performance by Tim Cook there going out on a high high

00:02:41   dramatically.

00:02:42   I thought that was really historically not Great when it comes to the performances.

00:02:47   Uh also, I think it's worth you know, like there are lots of people

00:02:53   watching the iPhone event that do not know that Tim Cook is not the

00:02:56   CEO of Apple anymore.

00:02:58   So Tim is gonna say, Oh no, it's not me.

00:03:00   You gotta you gotta talk to that guy.

00:03:02   And then and then John Turnis does his thing where he says I'm ver

00:03:05   you know, honored to be representing everybody here, which is a a good again,

00:03:09   you don't wanna do too much of that, but um I I think having

00:03:13   that actual passing of the of the baton there is the right thing to

00:03:17   do.

00:03:17   And they they they hit the tone right.

00:03:19   Yeah, and I I liked that in doing it that way, um, Turnus didn't

00:03:24   have to do the kind of like thanks Tim, kind of thing.

00:03:28   Like I I I think they were able to kind of avoid that by

00:03:31   having the baton pass rather than him just showing up and being like, I'm

00:03:36   the new CEO.

00:03:37   I loved him.

00:03:37   You know, like it just it's not really not really.

00:03:40   And by the way, hello was the opening.

00:03:43   Ah, yeah.

00:03:43   Hello.

00:03:44   He says hello.

00:03:45   Which I think is good because, you know, I I was talking to I

00:03:47   think I was talking to Adina about this because she was asking, like, do

00:03:50   you think you'll say good morning?

00:03:51   And it's like, no.

00:03:52   And I was like, also I I believe this to be the case.

00:03:56   Jobs used to say good morning, right?

00:03:58   And then Tim Cook started saying it and he made it like a caricature

00:04:01   thing of of his

00:04:03   he went over the top with it.

00:04:04   But Steve Jobs, that was yeah, that was my memory.

00:04:06   When I wrote my piece after Steve died, one of the things I I

00:04:09   I said I would miss is I really liked settling in an Apple event

00:04:13   and all that all the tension and all the anticipation and all of that.

00:04:16   And then before you heard before you saw him, you heard him.

00:04:19   Yeah.

00:04:20   Cause as he was walking on stage, Steve would always be like, Good morning.

00:04:23   Uh and then yes, it became a good morning, Tim Cook kind of thing.

00:04:27   But like it's fine.

00:04:28   It's it's there are other references in here that that he made instead.

00:04:32   Oh yeah, we'll get to that in a minute.

00:04:33   All right.

00:04:33   If you like to uh open the show with a snow talk of your

00:04:36   own, if you don't have access to the show document like me, you can

00:04:40   go to upgradefeedback.com and send in your Snelltalk question for a future episode.

00:04:45   Uh let's start out by uh assessing the result of the draft.

00:04:49   So last week we played our game, which we play before every keynote, uh

00:04:52   where we take a look uh uh at the what we think might happen.

00:04:56   We make our predictions.

00:04:57   Should we run through this real quick?

00:04:59   Yeah, let's run through it.

00:05:01   All right.

00:05:01   So my picks.

00:05:03   IPhones powered by t new two nanometer chip, yes.

00:05:06   Correct.

00:05:07   iPhone fold i uh folding iPhone supports split view, yes.

00:05:11   I said the words.

00:05:12   iPhone folding iPhone uses touch ID button only.

00:05:17   We will talk about all of this in more detail.

00:05:19   Yes, yes.

00:05:19   Apple will make specific boast about on device AI performance on A twenty.

00:05:23   That was kind of a no brainer.

00:05:25   But like, oh, it's great for AI.

00:05:26   It's got two neural engines.

00:05:29   Like Johnny would not stop talking about it.

00:05:31   Like everyone was talking about it.

00:05:33   It's like I don't think that many people are doing on device AI with

00:05:37   uh third party L L Ms on their iPhones.

00:05:39   But if they want to, they can.

00:05:41   Just wait.

00:05:41   It's gonna it's gonna yeah, you g you're gonna be anyway uh I Apple

00:05:45   doesn't mention anything about base model iPhone eighteens not being announced.

00:05:49   It's like what what are you even talking about?

00:05:51   We didn't.

00:05:53   New satellite connectivity features on iPhone.

00:05:56   There were no new

00:05:57   So I missed that one.

00:05:58   This is never gonna happen.

00:06:00   No new features.

00:06:01   Uh folding iPhone comes in monochrome colors, white, silver, black, gray.

00:06:05   I'm gonna give me this because what is the color of the night sky?

00:06:10   It's black.

00:06:10   It's not for black.

00:06:12   It's it's like space gray.

00:06:13   It's bluey.

00:06:14   But darker is night sky.

00:06:16   I'm happy with with this.

00:06:17   I mean if I really wanted to argue, it's kind of bluey.

00:06:20   But it's kinda, but not a night sky.

00:06:22   I mean that could have been a it looks like midnight, I think, from

00:06:25   the product image.

00:06:26   It's night sky is

00:06:28   what color is space but black.

00:06:30   I'll give it.

00:06:30   Um it's not gray, I'll pro model I took the two hundred price price

00:06:35   increase over the uh previous generation, it was not.

00:06:39   It was one hundred.

00:06:40   Um so in our iPhone category, I have us I have me down as

00:06:45   um six six out of the case.

00:06:46   Should we run through my iPhone category in the case?

00:06:48   Yes, please.

00:06:49   Right.

00:06:49   One One iPhone color contains the word blue.

00:06:51   No, it contains the color blue but not the word.

00:06:54   Glacier.

00:06:55   Apple brands the folding iPhone display.

00:06:57   They it had a brand but not a unique one.

00:06:59   Not a new brand, no.

00:07:00   Couldn't it not a special brand.

00:07:02   It's not a folding whatever.

00:07:03   It's just a regular old whatever.

00:07:05   Okay.

00:07:06   Apple introduces new features for apps running on the folding iPhone's internal display.

00:07:10   Oh boy didn't.

00:07:11   Oh wow, okay.

00:07:13   Oh boy did they uh uh real quick by the way, we're gonna pause

00:07:17   here uh as is tradition now, underscore David Smith is over in the corner

00:07:21   currently downloading uh the the GM of iOS twenty seven.

00:07:25   Nice.

00:07:25   Underscore was him next to me.

00:07:26   And when they're starting to show all the UIs changes, he's like, Oh my

00:07:30   god.

00:07:31   Because d developers, I mean I'm sure developers are happy they've got a month

00:07:35   because the simulator is needed now because the the tw the tab bars and

00:07:39   the toolbars are in completely different places.

00:07:41   It's unbelievable.

00:07:42   It's wild stuff.

00:07:43   Uh Apple makes specific claim about that how there's essentially no crease on the

00:07:47   folding phone.

00:07:47   They did.

00:07:48   Yeah.

00:07:48   They did.

00:07:49   They talked about a crease at least.

00:07:51   One new photo related OS feature is added.

00:07:53   Yep.

00:07:54   Yeah.

00:07:54   Uh claim of improved iPhone battery life.

00:07:57   I got that.

00:07:57   Mm-hmm.

00:07:58   Folding iPhone is the thinnest Apple device ever.

00:08:00   It isn't it's the thinnest iPhone, but it missed out by point one millimeter

00:08:05   on the iPad Pro.

00:08:07   And the iPhone Pro models, I said they would uh start between a hundred

00:08:11   and a hundred and ninety nine, and it's a hundred more.

00:08:13   Uh for the

00:08:14   hundred.

00:08:15   Okay, so by that gives us uh six to you and five to me.

00:08:19   Exactly.

00:08:20   For the iPhone.

00:08:21   Brings us to the other picks.

00:08:22   Uh Apple Watch series twelve, I said it had a ceramic option.

00:08:26   Yes.

00:08:27   It did.

00:08:28   I I'm so happy for you.

00:08:29   It has a new chip, it does.

00:08:31   And the Ultra Four was announced.

00:08:33   It was.

00:08:34   I uh however, the new home pods and the home pad product, uh it's

00:08:40   gonna be a different event for home products.

00:08:43   This was not the day.

00:08:44   Not the day.

00:08:45   Um and so I got three out of five there.

00:08:47   How'd you do?

00:08:48   Uh John Turnus has a major role in unveiling at least one product.

00:08:52   Uh he did.

00:08:52   And he had a role in all of them, which was interesting.

00:08:55   They did the thing that I think we spoke about this.

00:08:57   They're like passing backwards and forwards, like much more.

00:09:00   Um and he was much more like uh vocal.

00:09:03   Uh previously unseen watch faces, there were a couple, uh, no home pad device.

00:09:08   Uh the Apple Watch did have enhanced Siri AI support and Watch Series twelve

00:09:13   adds a new workout feature.

00:09:15   We went backwards and forwards on this one, but this is one of those

00:09:17   scenarios where it doesn't matter because either Jason wins nine eight or it's nine

00:09:22   nine and he wins the tie.

00:09:23   So congratulations, Jason.

00:09:25   Thank you.

00:09:26   Super close.

00:09:27   I retain the tie looking.

00:09:28   They're always close.

00:09:29   And they're not I don't think they're always close.

00:09:32   I had some real real clangers back in the day.

00:09:35   Yeah, we've we've we had a lot of tiebreakers and stuff like that.

00:09:38   I i yeah, I think it's not a new workout feature 'cause that the

00:09:41   feature you're thinking of isn't a workout.

00:09:43   It's it's a different feature that will tell you my it that's the I

00:09:47   like to call it the my Apple Watch told me that I couldn't work

00:09:50   today, so I'm not gonna w come into work today, boss, kind of feature.

00:09:53   You're like you're not ready for it.

00:09:54   Just stay home.

00:09:55   I see I see your argument.

00:09:57   But I can also argue that the iPhone is blue.

00:09:59   But nevertheless, we're not going to Nevertheless, it doesn't matter.

00:10:02   It's at worst a tie and at best a win for Jesus.

00:10:05   And it was a short a short uh video.

00:10:08   So yeah, I get the under.

00:10:10   The under wins.

00:10:11   That is what happens when there is a whole product category that we thought

00:10:14   would exist and didn't exist uh in this event, which is the case.

00:10:17   I mean it was way under the that's true.

00:10:20   That's true.

00:10:20   And uh we also uh oh we're gonna talk in upgrade plus about the

00:10:25   Saint Jude challenge that we did a game called the Saint Jude Challenge.

00:10:28   We do this with the iPhone events.

00:10:30   Uh and speaking of Jason, what a what an incredible segue.

00:10:34   Uh I want to take a quick moment uh to let everybody know that

00:10:37   we are raising uh funds and we're we're fundraising as we always do for

00:10:42   Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital during September because it is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

00:10:48   So we're asking our community to come together to support the life saving work

00:10:52   of Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:10:55   I want to talk a little bit about why we do this and what

00:10:58   some of the the some of the money that that you everyone's raising, what

00:11:02   it is going towards.

00:11:04   So Saint Jude recently established a partnership to increase worldwide access to pediatric radiotherapy.

00:11:10   So while Saint Jude is based in Memphis, Tennessee, which is where uh Stephen

00:11:14   Hackett lives and you know, Stephen's family has has has seen the effects uh

00:11:18   of the treatment at Saint Jude, they are focused on helping cancer uh childhood

00:11:23   cancer survival worldwide.

00:11:25   So St.

00:11:26   Jude is going to be investing four point five million dollars over three years

00:11:30   to help the International Atomic Energy Agency expand access to pediatric radiotherapy in low

00:11:37   and middle income countries, also known as LMICs.

00:11:40   A key contributor to lower survival rates in LMICs is limited access to clinical

00:11:45   imaging.

00:11:46   Without such access, children face delays or errors in diagnosis.

00:11:50   This partnership will focus on creating materials to train specialists, radiation oncologists, radiotherapy technicians,

00:11:57   and medical physicists to improve this diagnostic gap.

00:12:02   This effort highlights St.

00:12:03   Jude's commitment to ensuring children everywhere have access to diagnostics and treatment.

00:12:08   This is just one of I mean Saint Jude is so close to our

00:12:11   hearts, but I love the more that I've learned about this incredible institution and

00:12:15   how far and wide um their work reaches, the more and more proud I

00:12:20   am to say that we have raised I mean, we are actually getting incredibly

00:12:24   close right now to a lifetime fundraising um total of five million dollars that

00:12:30   we have raised since 2019.

00:12:33   I am so proud every year of just how engaged our community is.

00:12:39   Um it it really means the world to all of us.

00:12:42   Uh I'm so thankful for it.

00:12:44   Um and I want everybody to go and find out more and they can

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00:13:45   Thank you.

00:13:46   Before we start talking about some products, Jason, I want to get some kind

00:13:50   of like top level reactions from you.

00:13:52   So this is John Tannis's first keynote as CEO of Apple.

00:13:56   How do you think he did?

00:13:58   I think he did fine.

00:14:00   I mean, it's all pre recorded, so if he didn't do fine, they didn't

00:14:03   use that tick and then got him to do it.

00:14:05   I thought I th it was good.

00:14:06   He He is I think he is present.

00:14:08   Yeah.

00:14:08   Um, I think he is bringing, you know, the weight of being a knowledgeable

00:14:14   kind of hardware guy.

00:14:16   And then also I think the most important thing was that he did some

00:14:22   very executive level commenting right at the very beginning, right?

00:14:26   So the first thing he does after he says hello and how grateful he

00:14:30   is to be representing Apple is place the iPhone in the context of Apple

00:14:35   strategy.

00:14:36   And that is a CEO job, right?

00:14:38   That is the that is the CEO job to say, why do we think

00:14:42   the iPhone is so important?

00:14:44   In doing so, by the way, he made I I I I feel like

00:14:49   it must be intentional by everybody's part.

00:14:51   It has to be intentional.

00:14:53   The the he is recasting a classic Steve Jobs

00:14:59   approach to Apple's product philosophy, which is the intelligent personal hub, which is uh

00:15:06   hearkening back to the digital hub strategy that Steve Jobs talked about, you know,

00:15:12   25, 26 years ago.

00:15:15   Um, I've been thinking about that a lot because we are doing, of course,

00:15:19   our other podcast, Design in California.

00:15:22   Um, we are currently releasing episodes about the 1990s, uh uh OS transition, but

00:15:29   our series after that is about the iPod.

00:15:32   And so I was doing a lot of research about the uh origins of

00:15:36   the iPod, including, of course, um, Steve Jobs and the digital hub strategy, because

00:15:42   that's the whole idea that you at you your uh your Mac is at

00:15:45   the center and all these other digital devices are out there.

00:15:47   So you you you shoot video, you take pictures and you bring them into

00:15:50   your Mac and your Mac is at the center of your life.

00:15:52   Obviously, that was a very, you know, year 2000 kind of thing.

00:15:56   But um that hub strategy and using that word to talk about it this

00:16:04   intelligent personal hub that is what would be the perfect one is the way

00:16:08   John Turnus casts it.

00:16:09   And he lists a bunch of attributes.

00:16:12   And, you know, it's it it it's I liked it because I try to

00:16:15   make this a a very similar argument, which is why I think the smartphone

00:16:19   isn't going anywhere, even in an AI era.

00:16:22   Yeah.

00:16:22   It's all of these reasons.

00:16:23   It's that you want to have something that's always with you, that's connected at

00:16:27   a to the internet at high speed.

00:16:29   It's got a powerful processor.

00:16:31   It's got a nice screen because we do like looking at things on the

00:16:34   screen.

00:16:35   Um, it's got uh cameras and speakers and microphones, you know, and and that

00:16:41   you it since it's gonna be in your pocket, it needs to last all

00:16:44   day.

00:16:44   And that's what he th th lays out for even in a a world

00:16:49   of AI and uh all sorts of accessories that you want your smartphone at

00:16:54   the center of it.

00:16:55   And of course he says 'cause he's the CEO of Apple, of course the

00:16:58   i iPhone is the best of those.

00:17:00   But like it's hard not to get away from thinking those of us who've

00:17:05   been around watching it for a while thinking that this is a nod to

00:17:07   Steve Jobs and the digital hub strategy for for the twenty twenties.

00:17:11   Yeah, 'cause you know, in the early two thousands it was about you have

00:17:15   all these other physical devices for different capabilities in your life.

00:17:19   You need one place to be able to manage and use the information and

00:17:24   have that at the center.

00:17:25   And the it the twenty twenties version of this is you have digital assets

00:17:29   that are spread all over the web in different clouds, et cetera, et cetera.

00:17:34   And you need one device to manage them.

00:17:36   And this is absolutely them coming out strong to be like, all these AI

00:17:41   devices you're hearing about, don't worry about it.

00:17:44   We make the best device for everything.

00:17:46   It's the iPhone.

00:17:46   What are you mad?

00:17:48   Why would you consider anything else?

00:17:49   You know, you also mentioned like the he also said intersection.

00:17:54   The intersection of like capability and context, which I also believe is going back

00:17:59   to the intersection of creative is it the cre creative liberal arts and technology?

00:18:05   Right?

00:18:06   That was the You got there.

00:18:07   I got there.

00:18:08   I mean look.

00:18:08   Creative is a couple blocks down.

00:18:10   It's yeah, you know.

00:18:11   There's been lots of memes on this over the years, so it's hard to

00:18:14   remember.

00:18:14   But like I like you, I absolutely believe I mean and it's bookended, right?

00:18:19   So he says he has personal hub and the intersection at the start, and

00:18:23   he has one more thing at the end.

00:18:24   Like If if you want any more hints as to the way they are

00:18:29   trying to to paint John Turnus, you don't need him.

00:18:33   Like they want you to think this guy's product guy.

00:18:35   And I think, you know, we're obviously gonna talk about the IF and Joe

00:18:38   in a minute, but like the way the iPhone duo was presented as an

00:18:42   like they are presenting it as a series of technological and product breakthroughs.

00:18:47   That is how they are presenting this.

00:18:49   Yes.

00:18:49   They're doing this on purpose.

00:18:51   They want you to know who he is.

00:18:52   And like you know this is the all the stuff that we've been talking

00:18:55   about leading up to this point.

00:18:58   They chose this moment carefully of when John Turnus would be stepping into the

00:19:02   shoes and I think that this keynote it includes actually lots of big product

00:19:08   stuff.

00:19:09   And I think that's clear.

00:19:11   This is not an accident.

00:19:12   No, no.

00:19:13   This is not an accident.

00:19:14   This is this is part of the transition plan.

00:19:17   Yep.

00:19:17   Is to have these products ready in this moment for John Turnus to introduce.

00:19:22   It's all part of the same story.

00:19:24   Did you have any more thoughts about the presentation or the order of things?

00:19:27   Like I I was struck by how light everything was by and large.

00:19:31   Like they will usually we spend quite a lot of time in darkness

00:19:36   You know, Jaws was at in LA at sunset, and so he got into

00:19:39   the darkness, but most because we likes the darkness, I guess.

00:19:41   Uh but mostly not.

00:19:43   Um, I think you uh like the advantage of having something like the iPhone.

00:19:49   Duo in your presentation is it gives you the power to put the iPhone

00:19:54   Pro at the start, which is great, right?

00:19:56   To kick it off with your most important product, to be able to just

00:19:59   like first thing out the gate.

00:20:01   We're gonna talk first off, the entire context put down by John Turnus is

00:20:06   this is about the iPhone.

00:20:07   Yeah.

00:20:07   Which really says a lot, but it's not wrong.

00:20:09   It's like, well, AirPods attached to your iPhone.

00:20:11   Apple Watch works with your iPhone.

00:20:13   It you know, and is sending health data to your iPhone.

00:20:15   So it's all in the context of the iPhone, but to go out with

00:20:19   the iPhone Pro as your initial uh product is a coming at it from

00:20:24   a position of strength.

00:20:25   So I I appreciated that.

00:20:27   And you can do that when you've got one more thing at the end,

00:20:29   which is a an entirely new iPhone, the likes of which we haven't sefore.

00:20:32   So I think that that was um the ordering uh made sense.

00:20:36   If you've got those in your pocket, you could do it that way.

00:20:39   The other, uh only other kind of production point I wanted to say is

00:20:44   okay, so in the pandemic they switched from doing live events to doing these

00:20:49   video events.

00:20:50   And they've evolved over time and they've tried a whole bunch of different formats.

00:20:54   I think they've learned what they like, what they don't like.

00:20:58   And this time,

00:21:01   I I think they I think there was a note somebody m had about

00:21:06   how Apple event videos felt

00:21:10   static

00:21:12   um and almost lonely

00:21:15   because so often it would be a person in a setting all by themselves.

00:21:19   It's Johnny Shroogee alone in the lab.

00:21:21   It's the a it's Jeff Williams standing on a promontory on the Pa Pacific

00:21:26   coast somewhere, talking about the Apple Watch, all alone on a boulder or something,

00:21:31   right?

00:21:32   But not this.

00:21:34   Th this is and and then they they actually hung a lantern on it,

00:21:38   uh, to use a uh showbiz phrase, when they went to the back lot,

00:21:42   the studio back lot.

00:21:44   Um but even before they get there, everywhere at Apple Park where people are

00:21:49   presenting and elsewhere there are people in the background.

00:21:53   Apple Park is not empty except for the presenter, which I understand if you're

00:21:57   doing a secret Apple product video, um e having extras in the background is

00:22:02   not something you want to do when you get started, but they've been doing

00:22:04   it a long enough now that I think tonally they're like, No, I want

00:22:08   people in the background working while I talk.

00:22:10   I I want it to feel lived in, like we're all hard at work

00:22:13   doing this.

00:22:14   And then that extended to the other scenes where there would be, even if

00:22:18   you're in a cafe even if you're outside, there's like uh most of them,

00:22:22   not all of them, but most of them, there were people around.

00:22:25   It was a populated scene.

00:22:26   I think that was an interesting style choice for them.

00:22:28   And then my favorite bit is when they go to the studio back lot

00:22:33   that's when they got wacky, but they got wacky in a really, I mean,

00:22:39   I wouldn't say subtle, but if you're focused on the content, you're you're not

00:22:43   even gonna pay too much attention to it.

00:22:46   But like they're they're giving the presentations and it was multiple people, it was

00:22:50   Kayen, Drance, and some other people um at the studio back lot.

00:22:56   Like

00:22:58   Astronaut people in astronaut costumes go by on a golf cart.

00:23:01   And then you see a guy dressed like a Roman soldier, and then and

00:23:05   then later there's like a a squad of Roman soldiers who walk past in

00:23:10   the background, along with somebody who looks like a European kind of like seventeenth

00:23:15   century European dandy type figure.

00:23:18   Um all of that's going on in the background.

00:23:20   Then there's the um conversation that's happening in the rain where the presenter has

00:23:25   got an umbrella and then she steps forward and hands the umbrella to somebody

00:23:29   because it's a fake rainstorm with a camera there and there's a scene of

00:23:34   people in trench coats having a conversation in the rain.

00:23:37   And so it's it's all on the studio back lot, right?

00:23:40   But like at the same time, that is not content, it's color, but what

00:23:46   they're trying to do is say, This this presentation is happening in a world

00:23:52   that that has action happening around it.

00:23:55   And that was clearly like a watch word for them.

00:23:57   And I I appreciate that they made the effort and I like it.

00:24:00   Um the yes, the studio backlog was a little bit silly, but I immediately

00:24:04   noticed like, oh, there's people working at Apple Park.

00:24:07   And that's better.

00:24:08   It's better to have people at Apple Park in the background.

00:24:11   It's sending a message, but also it just makes it more.

00:24:14   I mean, let's be honest.

00:24:15   Sometimes you gotta wonder, is this how Johnny Shrugi lives?

00:24:19   Is he in a basement chip lab that's mostly dark and completely empty except

00:24:24   for him?

00:24:25   It's so a t tragic existence for Johnny Srooge.

00:24:28   Hey, look, you don't you don't get to be chief hardware officer for for

00:24:31   nothing, you know?

00:24:32   Sometimes you gotta make the sacrifice.

00:24:34   Well, if he's down there, other people should be down there working too, right?

00:24:37   So that's what they did.

00:24:38   So that's my other show biz note is just that they they made an

00:24:41   effort this time to make the whole thing seem more lived in.

00:24:45   And I thought that was maybe whoever gave them that note and made

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00:27:14   iPhone Duo?

00:27:15   Let's start out the name Great.

00:27:18   Great name.

00:27:20   Love the name.

00:27:20   Yep.

00:27:21   Uh I didn't like Fold.

00:27:23   You know I didn't want Ultra.

00:27:25   iPhone Duo.

00:27:26   It makes perfect sense.

00:27:27   It's a great name.

00:27:29   You know?

00:27:29   I I did.

00:27:30   It was I'm just gonna do very minor victory lap here.

00:27:34   This is the name that I picked when we were picking in upgrade plus

00:27:37   last week.

00:27:37   Because I s I said Spoilers.

00:27:39   Let's let's say iPhone Duo.

00:27:40   Yeah.

00:27:41   I'm just saying.

00:27:42   I picked it.

00:27:43   So I like it.

00:27:43   I think it's a better new.

00:27:45   I didn't like Ultra.

00:27:46   I I I I didn't like fold.

00:27:49   Um I like the idea it's got two screens.

00:27:51   I like the idea that the internal screen is sort of two of the

00:27:54   outside screen, if you want to think of it that way, that you can

00:27:56   run two apps in it.

00:27:57   Like it's got a lot of that, plus it's got the history.

00:27:59   They used to make a laptop called the PowerBook Duo back in the day.

00:28:02   And this is a little like that plucking uh a word from Apple history

00:28:06   and then uh re-spinning it for the modern age.

00:28:10   I yeah, I I I like it as a name.

00:28:13   I think it's a good, good, good, good, good.

00:28:15   And it leaves Ultra in reserve for a a true Ultra iPhone

00:28:21   later.

00:28:23   I don't even really know where to start with this.

00:28:25   I guess maybe we should just start by talking about the hardware, like how

00:28:29   how it looks and and how it how it seems to function.

00:28:32   I mean we've seen versions of this phone in 3D prints, we've seen renders,

00:28:37   we've seen all kinds of stuff uh over time.

00:28:41   But I think it's one of these things where, you know, when you see

00:28:43   it in its full glory, you see people unfolding it, using it, you see

00:28:47   the the you know, the people using it in in staged environments you see

00:28:51   people using it in labs, etc.

00:28:53   It looks beautiful, right?

00:28:55   Like it i I I think that it is a very good looking phone.

00:28:59   It is an odd phone, you know, like the the outside screen

00:29:05   the the the the the corner radiuses are c are different, one side to

00:29:09   the other, right?

00:29:10   Like there is some peculiarity to it.

00:29:12   Yeah, they they specifically, in fact, reference the shape of a passport.

00:29:17   Yeah.

00:29:18   Which I think is interesting, because that that is about right.

00:29:22   The they specifically reference the feel of an iPad on the inside, even though

00:29:27   it's

00:29:30   a slightly it's not a four by three.

00:29:32   It's like a four point two by three.

00:29:35   It's it's it's close to uh and and not every iPad is is four

00:29:39   by three, but the original was.

00:29:40   Like it it is a little bit wider than a four by three.

00:29:43   But um But not a lot, and it's got that vibe.

00:29:46   I I think one of the things that's gonna be interesting and and I

00:29:50   think is gonna take some getting used to is it does look a little

00:29:53   odd, not just in that it is a very different shape for an iPhone

00:29:57   when it's closed, but because of the hinge when it's closed, and they they

00:30:01   leaned into it, they said it's asymmetric, uh, which is for them is a

00:30:05   big deal.

00:30:06   But in the pre design presentation where Molly, the designer, was talking about it,

00:30:11   it's asymmetric in that when it's open, it's an Apple product that you'd expect

00:30:14   with curved edges.

00:30:15   When it's closed, two of the edges, the non-binding edge, non-hinge edge, are curved.

00:30:22   But the internal ones are not.

00:30:24   They're straight.

00:30:24   They're right angles because.

00:30:26   It's a hinge and that's how hinges work and you need it to be

00:30:30   there when you open it up.

00:30:31   They you know, that's so it it's gonna feel it looks really different, it

00:30:35   feels really different.

00:30:36   I mean, people get can get used to all sorts of things, but like

00:30:39   it's it's fascinating that it it you can see here uh simultaneously Apple is

00:30:45   being driven out of its comfort zone by some of the facts of a

00:30:48   folding phone.

00:30:50   But at the same time, also Apple, you can see where Apple took its

00:30:53   stance and said though this is what we're gonna do that we're not gonna

00:30:57   compromise on and they and they you know you you get to see that.

00:31:00   You now I've never used a folding phone for any length of time and

00:31:03   you have.

00:31:03   So I don't know if you've got any thoughts just about the this category

00:31:07   and how this thing kind of fits into it.

00:31:08   Yeah, I mean I think I'll say like the the idea of the the

00:31:11   outward screen.

00:31:12   I've used devices that do both things.

00:31:14   I've used devices that do what Apple is doing, where you curve one end

00:31:18   and do like a sharp corner on the other.

00:31:20   I've used devices where they just curve all corners and you just end up

00:31:23   with like a weird bezel on one side.

00:31:25   There's like a little bump.

00:31:26   Yeah.

00:31:27   It's a decision that you can make.

00:31:28   I and they have made this decision.

00:31:31   I think by and large it's best to have the most screen you can

00:31:35   have, even if it's not that much more.

00:31:37   But and I think we're you know, they they've obviously made some changes to

00:31:40   iOS which seem to make the the kind of the side where the the

00:31:44   the rounded uh edge is is is kind of like less information and more

00:31:48   access for things.

00:31:49   I wonder if there's a left-handed mode for this font.

00:31:52   Yeah.

00:31:52   So so we will see, and I'm sure somebody's asking of course we're we're

00:31:57   doing this right after, but they made a point of saying in the video

00:32:01   that it's usable in all orientations.

00:32:04   Yeah.

00:32:05   And I read that to be as somebody who is right-handed but holds my

00:32:09   phone in my left hand,

00:32:12   putting all of the controls on the far right side as they've done with

00:32:15   the software it doesn't work for me.

00:32:18   No.

00:32:18   But I kind of assume that if I flip the phone over,

00:32:23   it will all flip over and the sidebar would be on the other side.

00:32:27   Because you would unfold it and then you'd have to flip it back over

00:32:29   again.

00:32:29   Which is not terrible but like it's a an odd um it would be

00:32:34   an odd well way to use it.

00:32:36   If it's all orientations, then you would open it that way.

00:32:41   You would just open it.

00:32:42   From the other direction and it would be in that orientation, right?

00:32:46   I mean I think that's the idea here.

00:32:47   If you had it turned around, so the phone is upside down, right?

00:32:52   So that the then the controls are on the left side.

00:32:55   Yes.

00:32:56   When you open it, you're looking at the back of the phone.

00:32:59   You'd then have to turn it back around again.

00:33:02   At no you bring you bring the you bring the front part forward, no

00:33:06   matter what.

00:33:07   Oh yeah.

00:33:08   Yeah, you're opening a book backwards.

00:33:10   Yeah, no.

00:33:10   I get it.

00:33:11   Yeah, I know yeah, yeah, and I you're yeah, and that's it.

00:33:13   You're opening it.

00:33:16   I think what they imply is that it doesn't matter.

00:33:20   Now my brain has come around to to to to accurate physics, uh I

00:33:24   agree with you.

00:33:24   And that would be nice actually.

00:33:26   And it and like an iPad, right?

00:33:27   iPads they they respect all orientations and they're Exactly and the iPhone has been

00:33:32   very much not that kind of a device where it's sort of like it's

00:33:36   either up or it's on its side and that's about it.

00:33:38   And with the iPhone Duo, a name that we have to lodge in our

00:33:42   brands now, they're saying free rotation.

00:33:47   Yeah.

00:33:47   Like do you know it it and and we should say the implications of

00:33:52   this are greater than just what we assume is if you want to hold

00:33:56   it this direction or that direction, it'll work.

00:33:59   It's also they showed it when it's open, you can obviously do it in

00:34:04   any orientation.

00:34:05   And then there are more orientations than just that because there is there there

00:34:11   is um laying it down like a tent so it's got standby on the

00:34:16   front or laying it down on its narrow side slightly open so it's got

00:34:21   two slightly open internal display faces showing.

00:34:24   Which you can also use standby on that.

00:34:27   Like on the inside.

00:34:29   Or laying it flat like a laptop also works.

00:34:33   So there's lots of different like they they showed that in the little tent

00:34:37   configuration, not only does it show you your standby widgets on the front, but

00:34:40   it'll do like a little glow effect on the inside screen so you get

00:34:44   this kind of like glow in the background.

00:34:45   While we're talking about this, how sick is that opening animation?

00:34:49   Where it looks like you're looking through the phone

00:34:54   to the other phone.

00:34:55   Gasped when they opened that phone.

00:34:57   That's the most Apple thing that you could possibly imagine.

00:35:00   And and I'm reminded that the the code spelunkers were saying how, you know,

00:35:04   it's measuring specific degree of angle of the hinge.

00:35:08   Yeah.

00:35:08   And this is why, right?

00:35:10   It's because Apple wants to know exactly so that it can have this illusion

00:35:14   that as you open the phone or close the phone, there's this illusion of

00:35:19   continuity between the the internal and external display.

00:35:24   Yeah.

00:35:24   It's it is like you know, I other phone manufacturers have done some kind

00:35:29   of like animated wallpaper, right?

00:35:31   Where like when you open it, you know, like a butterfly on the front

00:35:34   and you open it and then inside the butterfly's flapping its wings or whatever.

00:35:37   This is like Ye like years ahead, right?

00:35:40   Like and this is just because this is the stuff Apple really super cares

00:35:43   about.

00:35:43   Yeah.

00:35:43   Right?

00:35:44   Like this is the stuff that they are very, very focused on.

00:35:47   They're gonna sweat.

00:35:47   And the decent thing is they have absolutely done done the job.

00:35:50   Well yeah, anytime you do a product like this, you you could probably write

00:35:53   up on a whiteboard like eighty things that are gonna have to be decided

00:35:56   about how this is gonna work.

00:35:57   Because the ramifications of having two surfaces and like what happens when you go

00:36:02   from surface one to surface two.

00:36:04   And they had to deal with it.

00:36:05   This is It it's actually kind of funny.

00:36:07   Um, when you think about it, like this is a major set of features

00:36:11   for iOS twenty-seven, right?

00:36:14   Like it's actually kind of huge because they have to implement things that have

00:36:18   just not been implemented on iOS.

00:36:19   And some of the things they can pick up from the iPad, but there's

00:36:22   a lot of stuff that's just there is no precedent for this stuff and

00:36:25   they just gotta figure it out.

00:36:26   And it and again, not ideally not punt on it, but say,

00:36:31   Okay, let's make it really good.

00:36:33   How do we do that?

00:36:33   What's a what's a good like cause you could totally open it up and

00:36:37   then like the the then the screen pops up as I d you know

00:36:40   from the front.

00:36:41   Yeah.

00:36:41   And you're like, okay, that one went off and this one went on.

00:36:44   And they're like, you know, not they're not gonna do that.

00:36:46   They're gonna drive both display displays and they're gonna have them work together and

00:36:49   the both displays will run.

00:36:50   The other thing is both displays will run at different times.

00:36:53   So they're like you could do selfies, which allowed them to create like a

00:36:56   selfie mode.

00:36:57   Um you could do like FaceTimes where you can have both cameras inside and

00:37:01   outside going of both screens inside and outside going.

00:37:04   Or the kit kid mode when you're asking a kid.

00:37:06   I pulled it.

00:37:07   I'm so happy they stole it.

00:37:08   They like got Snoopy animeing on the front screen.

00:37:10   It's like oh so happy that they added that.

00:37:14   So so that that is there's a lot of ramifications once you've got two

00:37:17   displays and sensors on uh the inside and the outside or either side of

00:37:22   a of an open phone and like there's just a it's wild.

00:37:25   There's a lot going on here.

00:37:26   This is the thing, like there is there's no world in which we will

00:37:29   touch on all of these things today.

00:37:31   I mean, especially because m w we won't really be able to until we've

00:37:35   used one, which is unfortunately quite a way away.

00:37:37   But I'm just so happy about how hard they have gone with iOS

00:37:43   to make iOS really work with the hardware, right?

00:37:49   That you've got just new stuff going on.

00:37:51   There was an easy way to do this and there was a complicated way

00:37:55   to do this.

00:37:55   And I think they have taken the complicated path where it's saying there are

00:38:00   so many components here that you've seen maybe in different places with the iPhone.

00:38:04   Right.

00:38:04   So things like standby and stuff like that.

00:38:07   But we're we're just giving you a bunch of things that you can try

00:38:11   out now.

00:38:12   Like an and and I'm very, very excited to be able to

00:38:18   experience this, right?

00:38:20   Like even the split screen, right?

00:38:21   So you can do a split screen, you could do one half of each

00:38:25   uh uh app.

00:38:26   I think you could do a bit of it free resizing, but it will

00:38:29   it can do some snapping as well.

00:38:30   You can pair apps together, which is a thing we never have gotten on

00:38:34   iPad OS.

00:38:35   There is also like a portrait split screen where it takes up different um

00:38:40   sizes of the 'cause people are gonna say I think you could actually there

00:38:44   was a period where you could pair your apps together and in in the

00:38:47   old multitasking.

00:38:48   It was like a late stage iPad multitasking thing where you could pair apps

00:38:51   together.

00:38:51   Yeah.

00:38:52   You could make like a permanent pair?

00:38:54   Yeah.

00:38:55   Yeah.

00:38:56   Okay.

00:38:56   Yeah.

00:38:56   Yeah.

00:38:57   I have a vague memory of that.

00:38:59   I I think I think the larger issue here too for iOS is Um

00:39:05   this is a bespoke implementation for the iPhone Duo, but make no mistake, a

00:39:12   bunch of these features will end up in iOS 28.

00:39:16   Right?

00:39:17   Like I I some of this stuff is a real trial where they'll be

00:39:21   like, Oh, this is a better UI element.

00:39:23   We should just put this in twenty

00:39:26   the the little combined status bar thing.

00:39:29   Exactly.

00:39:29   Yeah.

00:39:29   Exactly.

00:39:30   That's a new I mean that feels that the moment I saw it, I

00:39:33   thought that feels like something that's not gonna just live on this phone forever.

00:39:36   Right the the the the tap to reveal status bar thing.

00:39:39   It just doesn't Yeah, for sure.

00:39:42   And some of the other the widgets and the customizability and all that, it

00:39:45   feels like a lot of that stuff is is, you know, they build it

00:39:48   for this and then they're like, well, this is great.

00:39:49   Why would we not use this on all our iPhones?

00:39:51   And then they build it for everything else too.

00:39:53   Camera story is kind of what we expected.

00:39:56   You know, you've got the two cameras on the outside the the fusion main

00:40:00   camera, which has the two times telephoto, the ultra-wide, twelve twelve uh megapixel center

00:40:06   stage front camera, but then I think the unexpected part, an underscreen FaceTime camera

00:40:10   on the inside.

00:40:12   Yeah.

00:40:13   Bold.

00:40:15   Yeah.

00:40:16   It so it looks like and they didn't shy away from it, it sure

00:40:20   looks like you can see it.

00:40:21   So it it it it's still there, but it's not a punch out.

00:40:24   There are some pixels there, but you can still tell that that's the camera

00:40:27   area, but it doesn't wipe it out.

00:40:30   And then when it's taking a picture, those pixels go off and then you've

00:40:33   got a camera space there and it looks like a camera cut out.

00:40:37   But it is the first time that they've tried to do something like this.

00:40:39   Because it's interesting.

00:40:40   Some some of uh Apple's competitors here went down this road and then backed

00:40:45   off.

00:40:45   And so it seemed like the age of the underscreen camera was dead.

00:40:49   Um but I'm very intrigued that they are doing this.

00:40:53   Uh I I find it interesting that they are just calling it under display

00:40:58   FaceTime camera, which tells me it's not a great camera, but for a FaceTime

00:41:02   call, sure.

00:41:03   Totally fine, right?

00:41:05   Yeah.

00:41:05   Exactly.

00:41:06   It's like, yeah what do you want?

00:41:07   This is the best we could do here.

00:41:09   And then they added a bunch of um, you know, we mentioned it or

00:41:12   a couple of these things already, but like even uh smart take where you

00:41:16   can, you know, everybody poses and and it will take the image uh for

00:41:19   you, right?

00:41:19   That kind of thing.

00:41:20   They've added a bunch of stuff.

00:41:22   Implications of once you've got a phone that can stand itself at an angle

00:41:25   and you can see it and all of those things, you've got to do

00:41:28   something like this.

00:41:29   Yeah.

00:41:30   Yeah.

00:41:30   I mean

00:41:32   the hardware you know, they s they focused a lot on this.

00:41:35   This is one of the I think the I think the rarer times where

00:41:39   Apple talks about a bunch of things which you could say would be wrong

00:41:45   with a product like this in a way to try and talk about why

00:41:48   theirs is good, right?

00:41:50   They spoke about distracting creases.

00:41:52   They spent a lot of time focusing on durability because it is expected that

00:41:56   these devices are less durable.

00:41:58   Um there there was a lot of focus on that you know, talking about

00:42:02   how the uh how the whole frame is reinforced and different areas are reinforced

00:42:07   in the frame.

00:42:08   Eight layers that slide separately and we then we th we we three D

00:42:13   print a custom layer based on a scan of the actual device as it's

00:42:19   being built.

00:42:20   That detail to me was fascinating.

00:42:21   So there is a I don't remember which phone this was.

00:42:24   I think it was an Oppo phone that did this.

00:42:26   They they had a phone maybe last year that did this.

00:42:29   And when I heard about that technology, I was like, that feels like a

00:42:33   very Apple y thing to do.

00:42:34   And and it was one of these things where I wondered if I was

00:42:37   reading um uh Apple in China at the time and I was wondering is

00:42:41   this one of these technologies that Apple's been working on and then somebody else

00:42:44   also started using it because now it exists?

00:42:46   I mean it could be might not be the case.

00:42:48   Could be.

00:42:49   But it felt to me very much like a thing Apple would do.

00:42:52   They used to do a few things, right?

00:42:53   They use AI models to match hinges and housings that fit they think will

00:42:57   fit best together.

00:42:58   And then there's a bunch of 3D component printing that is going on to

00:43:03   make sure everything fits as well as possible to eliminate a crease as much

00:43:08   as they can.

00:43:09   I mean, this is what you want to hear in a device like this,

00:43:12   as well as like I think the the you know they they they they

00:43:16   talk about the durability of the screens and then the confidence of this thing's

00:43:20   gonna have Apple Pencil inside and outside.

00:43:22   It's like all right.

00:43:24   This is um there's a there's a level of this that is what took

00:43:27   you so long because these folding phones have been out for a while.

00:43:29   And so what they're doing is they're not just boasting about their their technological

00:43:33   prowess, but they're also answering the question, What took them so long?

00:43:36   And and the you know, the in the end, it allows them to m

00:43:39   send the message which is, Well, there really couldn't have been a folding iPhone

00:43:43   before now because our standards are so high.

00:43:45   And you know, that's a I get it, that's a marketing mess.

00:43:47   But there's also truth to that.

00:43:49   Like in in in reality, why is this a year that the folding phone

00:43:53   is happening?

00:43:54   Why is the why is the iPhone Duo coming out next month?

00:43:57   And the answer is they got to the point where they felt they could

00:44:00   ship a product in at least some volume how much volume TBD, but at

00:44:06   least some volume

00:44:08   that they felt was up to their standards.

00:44:11   And that includes coming up with all of these

00:44:15   new techniques new to Apple, certainly, in order to get the manufacturing to get

00:44:21   to the point where it reaches that that quality.

00:44:23   Oh, and it's nanotexture finish.

00:44:25   Oh, you kidding me?

00:44:26   M that's that's gonna look so good.

00:44:29   Like for for reading and stuff, like it's gonna be I think that that

00:44:33   this inside screen is gonna be really, really nice.

00:44:36   Oh, it does have a dynamic island still on the inside screen, which is

00:44:39   funny.

00:44:40   Right?

00:44:40   Like it will pop up when it's needed, but then otherwise they'll just be

00:44:43   be not mean nothing there, I guess, which is uh I still find that

00:44:46   funny.

00:44:47   You mentioned Apple Pencil.

00:44:48   I wanna I mean we've been talking for a long time about w would

00:44:50   they p take Apple Pencil and put it on a big iPhone or something

00:44:53   like that.

00:44:54   And and they held it for this, but the USB C Apple Pencil so

00:44:59   the one that doesn't do the magnetic charging because there's nowhere to do that

00:45:02   on this device, that will work.

00:45:05   It's very funny, right?

00:45:06   It's like later this year with a software update, it will work, which is

00:45:11   like it's just not they're not promising that it'll work out of the box,

00:45:14   but that they will enable it.

00:45:16   And um that's great because that uh it's another way that this becomes uh

00:45:21   if not an iPad, it picks up more of Apple's advantages for having built

00:45:27   the iPad in a device like that.

00:45:29   It's another selling point for this device where someone may want what is comparison

00:45:34   shopping and they're like, Oh, I could take notes on this.

00:45:37   Yeah.

00:45:37   Like it's just like another thing where it's someone's gonna be like, Oh yeah.

00:45:40   Flip it vertically, get out your pencil and um and start writing.

00:45:44   Touch ID.

00:45:45   Yeah.

00:45:46   I mean the way

00:45:49   touch ID and watch unlock.

00:45:50   They put those together.

00:45:51   You can also if you have an Apple watch you just watch unlock.

00:45:53   What is the most secure way to open this device?

00:45:56   Like, there are other ways, Joss.

00:45:57   Like we know of one of them.

00:45:59   Like there's another way.

00:46:00   Like I understand what you're trying to do, but don't try to sell it

00:46:03   like a like it's like oh you can do multiple things.

00:46:06   It's like, oh really can you do that with touch ID jaws?

00:46:09   Oh man, I didn't know.

00:46:10   Uh it is what it's gonna be.

00:46:12   Look but there is mag safe charging, so like we didn't lose I didn't

00:46:16   mention it, but there's

00:46:19   not just even chi charging, it's MagSafe charging.

00:46:21   So it's there.

00:46:22   I I saw several people responded when I found that and said they probably

00:46:25   didn't put in the video because it looks weird.

00:46:28   Yeah.

00:46:29   It probably does.

00:46:30   I just don't let's not talk about it.

00:46:32   Let's not show it.

00:46:33   But it's there.

00:46:34   It's there.

00:46:34   And also they wanted to boast this was the this all of the phones

00:46:38   got this charging fast charging update.

00:46:41   And they wanted to boast about how fast their charging is.

00:46:43   So that's Um that's what they did.

00:46:46   And they said this thing's got two batteries in it, obviously.

00:46:49   Two batteries that work together.

00:46:50   It will get all day battery, which I'm now saying 24 hours on a

00:46:54   charge with a new battery benchmark model, which they're calling real usage model, which

00:46:59   thank you, Apple, for doing our our friends our friends in the performance marketing

00:47:03   group at Apple have been hard at work trying to come up with a

00:47:06   test that kind of models how people actually use their devices.

00:47:10   Which is good because playing a video for forty eight hours is not how

00:47:13   people use their devices.

00:47:15   So um the idea would be you to

00:47:18   I mean it's how I d it's what I do all the time.

00:47:23   I just turn on a live stream of that um of that like water

00:47:26   hole in Africa where the hippos are.

00:47:28   Well Jason, if you were live streaming it's only thirty seven hours rather than

00:47:32   forty four.

00:47:33   You're right, you're right, you're right.

00:47:35   You know this as someone who does this, you know this.

00:47:38   The so it is uh so they they seem to have built without any

00:47:43   detail of course, but they'll they'll they'll disclose some details probably.

00:47:46   A model that's based on uh essentially real world usage stats about how long

00:47:52   a normal average day with an iPhone stresses when's the when's the screen often

00:47:57   on, you know, how often is it used?

00:47:59   How much is it hitting?

00:48:01   Would you like me to be very boring and read to you from the

00:48:04   the footnote about this test?

00:48:07   Bore me man, bore me.

00:48:08   The profile is based on the median usage values across iPhone users and reflects

00:48:13   a combination of passive and active use and a variety of applications, including but

00:48:18   not limited to messaging, photos, music social media, video streaming, games, web browsing, and

00:48:24   navigation.

00:48:25   Yep.

00:48:25   That's what it says.

00:48:26   Sounds yeah.

00:48:27   Well, I mean, the purpose look, obviously Apple wants to impress you with their

00:48:31   number, but they also want to impress you with their improvement over the previous

00:48:35   year.

00:48:35   Yeah.

00:48:36   So by creating this test, it allows them um so I guess they're not

00:48:41   super motivated to make it uh entirely fake.

00:48:45   Uh but at the same time.

00:48:47   I'm sure everybody else, you know, i it's not gonna make them look bad.

00:48:51   Let's just put it that way.

00:48:52   But I'm I if they're gonna quote a number, I would rather have a

00:48:54   number that is at least plausibly based on real world usage.

00:48:57   So thank you, Apple, indeed, for that.

00:48:59   But yeah, twenty four hours per charge when using both screens equally.

00:49:04   Uh not not bad.

00:49:06   Not bad.

00:49:07   Talking about hardware quirks and stuff.

00:49:09   No action button.

00:49:10   RIP.

00:49:11   I guess no camera control.

00:49:12   I haven't, but it there's no action button.

00:49:15   I I would assume you know.

00:49:16   Yeah it's funny we're not even talking about the buttons here.

00:49:19   I also wanted to talk about the displays and how they're just, you know,

00:49:22   not branded or anything.

00:49:23   The Johnny Scrugie segment, I it has camera control.

00:49:26   It has camera control but it's not a good thing.

00:49:29   What are we doing?

00:49:30   That's the wrong one.

00:49:30   That's the wrong button.

00:49:32   Um The Johnny Shroogee

00:49:35   is now the chief hardware officer.

00:49:37   Yep.

00:49:38   And so he comes out in this video and the first thing he does

00:49:40   is he talks about displays, which is amazing because he's the chip guy.

00:49:44   And that's a moment where it's like, Yeah, not anymore.

00:49:47   G hardware also.

00:49:48   Good point.

00:49:49   So he's gonna talk about that display that's new for him where he's talking

00:49:53   about oh, our display and a nanotexter finish and all that.

00:49:56   That's not a Johnny Sruoggy thing, except now it is a Johnny Shro Sruji

00:50:00   thing.

00:50:01   So he did that.

00:50:02   Yeah, that's a that's I didn't it didn't I'm very used to him giving

00:50:07   me lots of very intense detail that I didn't think that it was not

00:50:11   about chips.

00:50:12   Some other notes.

00:50:13   Um C two.

00:50:14   So it's ESIM only.

00:50:16   It uses the C two.

00:50:17   We have the new C two chip.

00:50:18   This is this is second generation Apple modem chip.

00:50:21   So this is e sim only worldwide, which I think the air was as

00:50:26   well, right?

00:50:27   So that was the Yeah, but not like for yeah, again, not the not

00:50:30   the pro because there's some markets where they just can't do that.

00:50:32   Uh millimeter wave support in the US?

00:50:35   Which I think is a new for the C It is, yeah.

00:50:39   Um

00:50:40   and you know, they boast a little Johnny boasts a little bit about because

00:50:44   it's all integrated together, there's all sorts of stuff we can do and we

00:50:46   can make our connections better and all of those things.

00:50:48   Yeah, analyze the connections and all that.

00:50:50   But again, it's it's all in on the C two.

00:50:52   It's like it's like there's a next generation Apple phone.

00:50:56   Every next generation Apple phone just goes to the C two.

00:50:58   It's the ones where you're like, there's markets where we really need to sell

00:51:01   the iPhone Pro and they're they're going to be resistant to eSIM only.

00:51:05   So for those markets, we'll make it available.

00:51:07   Um and that I that is I assume from that that either the iPhone

00:51:11   Pro, I mean, did they say, I mean, I assume it's just got a

00:51:15   Qualcomm modem in it, or you know.

00:51:17   Although there's a rumor that like some markets, maybe the ESIM only model is

00:51:23   a C2 and the E S and the with SIM slot is a Qualcomm.

00:51:27   I guess we'll have to find out when we get there.

00:51:29   Um anyway, it's it's uh it's

00:51:32   A very impressive piece of hardware and then in true Apple

00:51:37   style,

00:51:39   it is the story of the hardware and the software working together right.

00:51:42   Craig Federigi appears in a phone launch because he needs to explain that they

00:51:47   did a load of software things because once you have this kind of a

00:51:51   device, you can't just punt the software.

00:51:54   You have to build a bunch of bespoke software to go with the hardware

00:51:58   for it to make sense.

00:51:59   So like the split view um second window.

00:52:03   They they use the example of having two Safari windows open.

00:52:06   Yes, that's a very good, very good use case.

00:52:09   Um, you know, easy ways to swap apps, tap the divider to lock those

00:52:13   two apps together, which is really smart.

00:52:15   Really smart.

00:52:16   Um I just, yeah, a lot of like I can't wait.

00:52:19   Oh, all the way.

00:52:20   Also, um always useful to find out what apps get mentioned.

00:52:25   I like that Flighty was a was a uh a live activity mention, but

00:52:30   I wanna notice that um a lot of their m apps that they mention,

00:52:34   like Zoom and Slack, I mean it's kinda like the iPad, but on an

00:52:39   iPhone.

00:52:40   But But still it's good.

00:52:41   It's it's companies that are working on adopting uh the new API.

00:52:45   And also recognizing that this device is probably going to be used by a

00:52:49   lot of people that want something to get their work done.

00:52:52   Exactly.

00:52:53   Yeah, so Zoom and and then and Slack and and the detail m mention

00:52:58   was fun, but I just again you noticed it, I'm sure.

00:53:02   Prominent mention of Netflix.

00:53:06   Yes, I did notice this.

00:53:08   And also promoting a feature of Netflix that nobody uses.

00:53:12   Nobody cares.

00:53:13   Which is their shorts feature, which is extra fascinating because that is the benefit

00:53:19   that Netflix get from this.

00:53:22   And that was John that was uh what?

00:53:25   John was that John Turnus?

00:53:28   I think it was.

00:53:28   Yeah, I think that was Turnus talking about.

00:53:30   I don't know.

00:53:31   I had a moment where I where I leaned forward a little bit, or

00:53:33   maybe it was Craig, but like I leaned forward a little bit and thought

00:53:37   to myself, hm.

00:53:39   Like, I mean, Apple and Netflix are not a not like openly warring.

00:53:44   They have their moments where they're the where they work together and the moments

00:53:48   when they don't.

00:53:48   But I I did I it just makes me wonder if maybe the the

00:53:53   relationship with Netflix is thawing.

00:53:55   I mean, I think it's probably been a really long time since they got

00:54:00   mentioned in a keynote.

00:54:01   Yeah.

00:54:02   Right.

00:54:02   Prominent mentions of Netflix.

00:54:04   And they showed later they show a Netflix video playing, I think it's a

00:54:08   Netflix video.

00:54:09   Maybe, maybe it's Apple TV, with video controls on the bottom with it's when

00:54:12   it's folded into that like laptop like configuration.

00:54:15   Um anyway, so just they they they showed off the Netflix stuff that nobody

00:54:20   uses, but they're doing a solid for Netflix there basically.

00:54:23   So one thing that interesting I'd be intrigued in, and I didn't seen a

00:54:27   lot on the website, and I don't remember it from the keynote, is like

00:54:31   how the keyboard works.

00:54:32   I know I saw like landscape all the way, landscape split, but I wonder

00:54:36   if you can do like one side, you know, like I would like one

00:54:39   sided swipe typing or whatever, you know, like I have on the iPad.

00:54:42   But we'll find later on.

00:54:45   But I don't know.

00:54:45   'Cause I don't I would I don't wanna be typing two handed with this

00:54:49   thing all the time, I don't think.

00:54:50   Like it I don't I don't I don't do that on an iPad.

00:54:53   Like I I do like swipe typing with the little floaty keyboard.

00:54:56   I hope that they they have that in there.

00:54:58   I mean, look, the iPhone Duo is such a huge product.

00:55:02   We're gonna be talking about it for weeks.

00:55:04   Uh oh the price, I guess it is.

00:55:06   Yeah, I know.

00:55:07   It doesn't come out.

00:55:08   It's pre order on twenty third sixteenth, released on October twenty third.

00:55:12   I personally am really happy about this because as a person who produces a

00:55:18   weekly show about Apple News, splitting these releases by a significant period of time

00:55:24   is great because we'll focus on the pro phones, then we will focus on

00:55:29   the duo.

00:55:30   Like I'm I'm I'm pleased about that, that we're not gonna have this clash,

00:55:34   right?

00:55:34   That we're gonna have to try and review all these phones in the same

00:55:37   episode would just

00:55:39   Yeah, but it is six weeks of waiting for all of us.

00:55:42   And starting at nineteen ninety-nine, they did it.

00:55:45   They got it under two grand.

00:55:47   Yep.

00:55:47   Yeah.

00:55:48   I saw Mark German broke this last night and um I saw a bit

00:55:52   of analysis that suggested they're probably eating more on the margin than they wanted,

00:55:57   but I think this is the this is the price that they wanted to

00:56:01   sell this at.

00:56:02   And I know I've uh a lot of other people are like, oh my

00:56:04   God, a two thousand dollar phone.

00:56:05   This is ridiculous.

00:56:06   And like yeah.

00:56:07   I mean, it was always gonna be a two thousand dollar phone.

00:56:09   It was all it was always gonna be a two thousand dollar phone, I

00:56:11   think.

00:56:12   I think that it's still a two thousand dollar phone.

00:56:14   I was asked this question earlier today.

00:56:16   I did an interview right before we started.

00:56:18   And you can say it was an MPR.

00:56:20   You should say it's MPR.

00:56:21   It's impressive.

00:56:22   You say you were on MPR today.

00:56:23   It's fun.

00:56:23   I I mean uh but I wasn't.

00:56:25   Maybe they'll use some of my clips uh somewhere.

00:56:27   And then and then it's very funny, by the way, when you're an MPR,

00:56:30   people who only people come out of the woodwork are like, Oh, I heard

00:56:35   you on NPR.

00:56:35   And I'm like, Ah, that's one of my NPR listeners out there that that

00:56:38   is just perked up when they heard my my voice.

00:56:40   It's funny.

00:56:41   Anyway, he said, Is this an unexpected price?

00:56:44   And my answer was,

00:56:46   six months ago, no.

00:56:48   Today, yes, because we all kind of expect everything is more expensive.

00:56:52   And I think they really, really, really and I know it's psychological, but like

00:56:56   having it not start at two thousand something.

00:57:00   Yeah.

00:57:00   It yeah is important to Apple.

00:57:02   They don't that number is a one at the beginning.

00:57:05   Yeah the number starts with one.

00:57:07   It's the last one that's available before you get to two, but it starts

00:57:10   with a one.

00:57:11   Of course, you can go to two terabytes and then pay more than three

00:57:15   grand for it.

00:57:15   But you know, still less than a Vision Pro though.

00:57:17   You know Still less than a Vision Pro.

00:57:20   But like a dollar or like maybe it's the same price actually.

00:57:24   Um but hey Jason, let me tell you you can lease that two terabyte

00:57:27   for just ninety-two dollars and eighty one cents a month for twenty four months.

00:57:31   Aren't we surprised uh even a little bit about the fact that the the

00:57:36   uh all of these phones were also mentioned as having lovely low, low lease

00:57:42   price.

00:57:42   And trade ins, trade ins, trade ins will get you into a trade in

00:57:46   today.

00:57:46   I I felt like uh being back on an analyst call because that's always

00:57:50   what they say on the on the earnings calls is look,

00:57:54   this is why we do we do trade-ins.

00:57:56   We do we do financing because we want the the iPhones must flow.

00:58:01   We will find ways to to reach people and make them affordable and their

00:58:05   carrier deals, trade-ins, you know.

00:58:09   And and uh now they've got the the m the lease option.

00:58:14   Yeah.

00:58:14   It will be interesting to see as well what are the deals the carriers

00:58:18   are gonna offer for this phone.

00:58:19   'Cause it's very expensive.

00:58:21   But they they're gonna wanna offer deals.

00:58:22   I I don't think they're gonna be giving it away but they will wanna

00:58:25   deals as well.

00:58:26   So there there there are ways, but they have to emphasize it because it's

00:58:29   expensive.

00:58:30   Is a a price you can get to very easily over an eighteen pro

00:58:34   max.

00:58:34   Like it's true.

00:58:36   You do not have to go very far up the ladder to get to

00:58:38   that level.

00:58:40   We're not talking in like a a world where carriers will be like, That's

00:58:44   too much for our blood.

00:58:45   No, they are used to selling this, right?

00:58:46   Like this is a this is a normal price for a phone now, but

00:58:49   it's not a normal starting price for a phone.

00:58:53   Um, but I I would expect Apple sells quite a lot of phones that

00:58:56   cost two thousand dollars.

00:58:58   Uh uh upgradians will know that ever since the iPhone ten c came out,

00:59:02   part of the narrative that I've been telling is that

00:59:06   Apple realized they could charge more for the iPhone and they've added more affordable

00:59:11   iPhones, but they've also added more expensive iPhones.

00:59:14   Remember, what we think of as the iPhone base, not the Pro, is kind

00:59:18   of priced like the iPhone used to be.

00:59:20   But then the iPhone 10 came out and it cost $1,000.

00:59:23   Yeah.

00:59:23   It's like, oh.

00:59:24   And the and that price has crept up.

00:59:26   And what Apple has learned so far, as far as I can tell, as

00:59:30   far as any of us can tell, is that for some people,

00:59:34   we have not yet found the price that Apple could charge for a phone

00:59:37   that people won't pay.

00:59:38   Yep.

00:59:38   And if you're Apple,

00:59:41   optimally, if somebody, if some portion of your audience is willing to give $2,000

00:59:47   for a phone,

00:59:49   you you don't say, I'm sorry, $1,200 is as high as it goes.

00:59:55   You say, uh, here you go, sir, Two thousand dollar phone, please give me

01:00:00   that money now.

01:00:01   And that, you know, this might be it.

01:00:04   Although I really feel okay.

01:00:06   I feel like a lot of the narrative is gonna be wow, this is

01:00:10   an expensive phone.

01:00:11   And how well is it gonna sell?

01:00:12   And we know that it's two percent.

01:00:14   Two percent of the global smartphone market is folding phones.

01:00:17   It's tiny.

01:00:18   It's way tinier than the percent market share of an uh iPhone Air or

01:00:22   an iPhone mini.

01:00:24   It's tiny.

01:00:25   I think it will go up

01:00:27   because of Apple and because even like Apple Shining on this category will sell

01:00:32   more Android folding phones too.

01:00:34   I mean this is the Apple effect.

01:00:35   But I I think we need to

01:00:40   not just look at the price because of that.

01:00:43   This isn't just about them being expensive.

01:00:45   It is about being them expensive, but not just.

01:00:48   This is a weird phone.

01:00:49   It's lacking that camera.

01:00:51   It's a different shape.

01:00:52   Uh how do you use it?

01:00:54   Do you really want it?

01:00:55   Uh you know, is it better to just buy an iPhone on an iPad

01:00:57   mini or whatever?

01:00:58   Like there's so many other arguments about it because it's not like an iPhone

01:01:02   you've had before.

01:01:03   And it's it's wider and it's thicker and it's all of these other things

01:01:06   that like

01:01:07   It's not going to be for everybody.

01:01:09   Even if it was the same price as an iPhone Pro, it's not going

01:01:12   to be for everybody.

01:01:13   It's going to be a niche product.

01:01:14   Now the question is, is it

01:01:18   is this technology sort of the phone of the future?

01:01:20   And I think in some ways it is, Because what we've learned over the

01:01:24   years since the iPhone six and since before that when Samsung learned it, people

01:01:28   like big screens.

01:01:30   Yeah.

01:01:30   But big screens don't fit in your pocket.

01:01:32   So ultimately you do need a folding phone so that you can have a

01:01:35   big screen that fits in your pocket because you folded it.

01:01:38   And so I do think that this is the future of a lot of

01:01:42   phones, but not not yet.

01:01:45   Right?

01:01:46   For now, it is cutting edge and interesting and has a use case, but

01:01:50   it's very expensive and it's weird.

01:01:52   And like I really firmly believe there are a lot of people who wouldn't

01:01:56   buy this phone for any price because it's just not what they want.

01:02:01   They want a a more traditional iPhone.

01:02:03   It's gonna be too small and too big or both, right?

01:02:06   Like it's a little bit more than a little bit.

01:02:06   Too small, too big, too thick.

01:02:08   All the wrong it's the anti um Goldilocks, right?

01:02:13   It's just wrong in all measures for those people.

01:02:17   I mean good news, Apple sells many other iPhones for you.

01:02:21   But it will be interesting to watch who does gravitate toward this and how

01:02:25   they feel about it.

01:02:26   Um, but just to keep it keep that in mind that when we talk

01:02:29   about the iPhone Air being a flop i in in iPhone terms, because it's

01:02:33   got a small market, small percentage of Apple's iPhone market.

01:02:37   Um, folding phones traditionally are way smaller than that, even.

01:02:41   So what's gonna happen?

01:02:42   I I I don't know.

01:02:43   It's it's it's not gonna be I mean, get ready.

01:02:46   They're gonna be a lot of oh they're not because they're gonna put it

01:02:49   this way, they're not gonna sell that many of 'em.

01:02:51   Yeah.

01:02:52   But they're gonna sell every one they make.

01:02:53   Yeah.

01:02:54   And that's just the nature of this product.

01:02:56   It's it's it's hard for them to make it.

01:02:58   Their volumes are gonna be they're gonna struggle with volumes.

01:03:01   And

01:03:03   um

01:03:04   some people are gonna want them, but how many?

01:03:07   We'll see.

01:03:08   We'll see.

01:03:08   Uh do you?

01:03:10   I mean like do you want it?

01:03:11   I mean I know we'll we'll get it da da but do you see

01:03:13   this phone and you're like I want this phone?

01:03:15   Yeah.

01:03:16   Yeah.

01:03:16   I do too.

01:03:17   It's because it's because I'm an iPad primary.

01:03:20   Yeah.

01:03:20   And I like the idea that this might be able like I don't even

01:03:23   sleep I I know so many people sleep with the iPhone next to them

01:03:26   and I don't.

01:03:26   I sleep with an iPad next to me.

01:03:28   Yeah.

01:03:28   Because my iPad is what I am reading before I go to bed.

01:03:32   Not my iPhone.

01:03:32   My iPhone is parked on a charger in the kitchen.

01:03:36   But I could could you know, could I I I'm gonna rephrase that as

01:03:39   a question, could I use this as my iPad and my iPhone that's with

01:03:45   me all the time?

01:03:46   It's not the same as my iPad.

01:03:48   I've got a big iPad Pro, but like, would it be fulfilling?

01:03:52   And then also I can like put it on my nightstand as a little

01:03:55   clock.

01:03:56   Maybe.

01:03:57   Yeah.

01:03:57   Maybe.

01:03:58   Yeah.

01:03:58   Um I I so I do want it, but the, you know, what I

01:04:03   really wanna do is I want to, you know, see the reviews and hopefully

01:04:07   try one out and write a review and find out because there are probably

01:04:11   lots of gotchas.

01:04:13   Like, oh, it doesn't really do this.

01:04:14   And if this is what you want, you know, and it doesn't really compare

01:04:16   to the iPad because this like there's gonna be a lot of those and

01:04:19   we just don't know what they are yet.

01:04:20   Yeah.

01:04:21   But I am super intrigued by it as somebody who uses the iPhone and

01:04:25   the iPad.

01:04:25   And I think about traveling, like I just went, I was I was in

01:04:28   Oregon over Labor Day weekend and you know I only brought the iPad.

01:04:32   But I had that thought too of like, does this change if I use

01:04:36   this, does this change my travel?

01:04:37   Because I bring my iPad everywhere I go.

01:04:39   Would I not?

01:04:40   Would I just bring my phone and maybe my laptop if I have to

01:04:43   do laptop work?

01:04:44   Would that be enough to just bring my phone on a trip?

01:04:47   Because it's basically an iPad at that point?

01:04:50   I don't know maybe.

01:04:51   I'm intrigued by that.

01:04:53   So maybe.

01:04:55   Yeah, I I know I want this phone because I am fascinated by it.

01:05:01   The and I'm ex so excited to use it.

01:05:05   Like it it looks really exciting and fun and new.

01:05:08   Like really new, like for if you're an iPhone user, right?

01:05:13   I cannot tell if I want this phone as my daily phone.

01:05:19   Like I I uh for me, I absolutely know I will only be able

01:05:23   to make that decision after I use it.

01:05:25   Because there are things that I would actively be giving up that I'm excited

01:05:30   about.

01:05:30   There's stuff that the profile gets this year, which we'll talk about in a

01:05:33   minute, that I'm really excited for.

01:05:35   But also like this phone is heavy.

01:05:37   It's heavier than a Pro Max.

01:05:39   And it's gonna feel weird in my hand.

01:05:41   And it's like, uh, how am I gonna feel about the outside screen?

01:05:45   We spent a lot of time talking about the inside screen, but the outside

01:05:49   screen is gonna be the one you use most.

01:05:51   What does that actually feel like to use?

01:05:54   Right.

01:05:55   And so like, you know, this might be an incredible device, but do I

01:06:00   want it in my pocket every day?

01:06:03   Right.

01:06:03   No way of knowing.

01:06:04   No way until we use it.

01:06:06   Mm-hmm.

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01:08:05   We also have the Pro iPhones.

01:08:08   They exist.

01:08:08   So we had the iPhone 18 Pro and 18 Pro Mac.

01:08:13   Uh the colors for these phones.

01:08:15   Uh we have four.

01:08:17   There are four.

01:08:18   We have Burgundy, Glacier, Silver and Black.

01:08:23   I don't remember the names of the silver and black, so I'm gonna say

01:08:25   silver and black into our chest.

01:08:27   Deep black.

01:08:27   Deep black, silly me.

01:08:29   And silver.

01:08:29   What shallow silver?

01:08:31   Like what?

01:08:32   Okay.

01:08:34   I

01:08:35   it's a sh it's a shame.

01:08:37   For me, it's a shame.

01:08:39   I adore adore the orange, the cosmic orange.

01:08:43   I do not like either the burgundy or the glacier.

01:08:46   I don't like it.

01:08:47   Uh for me this year, I think I'm gonna go to silver.

01:08:49   I have a silver MacBook Air, love the silver MacBook Air.

01:08:52   I think silver will be the color for me this year.

01:08:55   Uh are you a burgundy boy?

01:08:56   I wanna oh no.

01:08:58   I wanna see Glacier.

01:09:00   Yeah.

01:09:02   'Cause I like a blue.

01:09:03   It might be nice.

01:09:04   It looks like it's a visible blue that you you know, a blue you

01:09:07   can see and not a blue where Apple tells you it's blue and you

01:09:09   go, Okay.

01:09:10   Yeah.

01:09:12   Um Also I've over the years had a lot of black phones, so uh

01:09:16   deep black.

01:09:17   Also funny, um

01:09:19   it felt like Apple was kind of running away from black iPhones for a

01:09:22   while.

01:09:23   Yeah.

01:09:24   But they ran to it this year.

01:09:25   Deep black.

01:09:26   Here it is.

01:09:27   They picked up all the black that they missed out last time and they've

01:09:29   added it in.

01:09:30   And it made it deeper.

01:09:32   So um so Glacier I wanna see because I could see myself having a

01:09:36   blue phone.

01:09:36   I like I like that.

01:09:37   If it's a if it's a nice blue.

01:09:39   Um with a name like Glacier I'm not sure it is.

01:09:42   Um and then deep black would be my other preference.

01:09:45   Burgundy, I mean I'd like to see it.

01:09:47   I think it's interesting 'cause, you know, it's a

01:09:51   that's an interesting shade, but again, I I uh mark my words, cosmic orange

01:09:56   is gonna be like a comeback phone.

01:09:58   Like they're gonna bring it back in a year or two on something and

01:10:01   everybody's gonna go, Oh, it's back.

01:10:03   It's an all timer, right?

01:10:04   Like that that is a great color.

01:10:06   Maybe they didn't know how popular it would be, right, when they when they

01:10:09   they announced it uh initially.

01:10:12   Sure seems like it's I think it was pretty popular.

01:10:14   Um, but maybe I'm biased.

01:10:16   Uh but yeah, I I dig the silver phone angle.

01:10:19   And they got rid of the two tone.

01:10:20   They they're they're color matching the two the aluminum and glass.

01:10:24   Oh that's a bummer.

01:10:25   I missed that.

01:10:26   I don't like that.

01:10:27   I like the two tone.

01:10:29   Yep.

01:10:29   They're going the other way.

01:10:30   They're they're they're uh gonna match.

01:10:33   That's a shame.

01:10:34   Why you know, and I I know I was gonna say why have the

01:10:37   glass?

01:10:38   I know there are many really good reasons and not just the colour as

01:10:42   why they had the glass.

01:10:43   But that for me is a shame 'cause I love the two tone look.

01:10:46   Um but yeah, I'll be going I'll be going silver this year.

01:10:49   But it's not all about the colours.

01:10:51   Uh they spent a lot of time uh in the eighteen pro going over

01:10:55   Siri AI again which makes sense.

01:10:58   They showed some very simple third party integrations.

01:11:01   They showed lots of apps that will be able to work.

01:11:04   We just have to wait and see.

01:11:05   And we're what next is it next week iOS twenty seven is out?

01:11:12   I don't know, you tell me.

01:11:13   Yeah, I can find the information out.

01:11:14   I can think so.

01:11:16   I it's I think it's next week.

01:11:18   Um, but we'll I'll double check that.

01:11:19   But yes, I and then I guess we'll start to see what is the

01:11:23   third party situation with Siri AI.

01:11:25   Like how does it actually work?

01:11:27   But I did I enjoyed the demo that they did because I think it

01:11:31   was very helpful to show

01:11:33   many more practical things that it that Siri AI is capable of, um, than

01:11:40   even what we saw at WWDC.

01:11:41   I think it's needed here so people can understand what's coming.

01:11:44   Um I I thought it was a pretty good demo of that.

01:11:48   But um we didn't talk about the A twenty pro when we were talking

01:11:51   about the iPhone Duo.

01:11:53   Um but it's they got spent a little bit more time talking about it

01:11:55   here.

01:11:56   And we get a sense um for what the A twenty

01:12:00   we got a sense what the A twenty would be based upon the M

01:12:03   seven, right, that we learned about a couple of weeks ago.

01:12:06   Um it is a six core CPU with two supercores and four efficiency cores.

01:12:11   They say it is a desktop class supercore.

01:12:14   Seven A seven core GPU, two neural engines, um, an increased memory bandwidth.

01:12:19   It is the widest memory interface shipped on an iPhone, apparently.

01:12:23   Okay.

01:12:24   And then that silicone is pushed right up against the vacuum.

01:12:29   The vapor chamber.

01:12:30   Mm-hmm.

01:12:30   So this is a new design they have for the vapor chamber.

01:12:33   This is they're using that the the the packaging technology to put the the

01:12:39   the RAM and the processors and everything in this package that is then um

01:12:44   connected directly to the vapor chamber, which they say improves performance because that improves

01:12:48   cooling and they have a whole new thermal design and three times the surface

01:12:52   area of the vapor chamber.

01:12:54   And uh there's more there's stainless and then graphite and then there's nano-twin copper

01:13:00   material

01:13:02   to move heat away from the display while also s providing strength.

01:13:06   But look, I I was struck by this section of just them talking about

01:13:11   w how they engineer these products kind of holistically.

01:13:14   Like they are providing strength to make the phone not bend using a material

01:13:19   that also is moving heat away from the display.

01:13:22   They're building the chip packaging and attaching it to the vapor chamber, which is

01:13:27   a much larger vapor chamber.

01:13:30   And the goal there is to improve sustained performance, which it does, because it

01:13:33   ultimately they're trying to prevent that that uh chip from having to clock down

01:13:38   because it got too hot.

01:13:40   So great.

01:13:42   And they you know, forty percent improvement, giant leaps in improvements.

01:13:46   You know, they seem very they seem very focused on this right now, right?

01:13:50   That like we only got the vapor chamber last year and for them to

01:13:53   have already done a lot of additional work on it.

01:13:55   This is clearly something that is important to them with the iPhone now, of

01:13:59   allowing them to get performance.

01:14:00   They clearly see it as an increasing benefit and an increasing need for a

01:14:06   performance, high sustained performance on the iPhone, gaming, AI, this kind of stuff.

01:14:11   Um it seems like they're putting a lot of effort into that with the

01:14:13   thermals.

01:14:14   I mean, you know, we spoke about it on this show.

01:14:16   It was getting really bad.

01:14:18   Like the the these phones were getting uncomfortable to hold.

01:14:22   Um and so I I am happy that they have they've done this.

01:14:25   Like I think No sixteen sixteen was really hot.

01:14:29   Um seventeen is a a lot better.

01:14:31   I imagine this will be a lot better.

01:14:32   Yeah the other way to view this, of course, is that Apple has the

01:14:36   chip powers to drive this and then boast about it.

01:14:42   And the question I mean, this is why they I think they're really excited

01:14:45   about obviously they're excited about gaming on the iPhone they always have been because

01:14:48   it's something that takes advantage of their chip powers.

01:14:51   AI now is another thing they can point to.

01:14:54   Now, how many on device AI things are happening on phones that will require

01:14:59   uh two banks of neural engines plus GPU accelerators on this chip.

01:15:04   I don't know.

01:15:05   But like it's what Apple can do.

01:15:07   This is the part they can do is they can make their phone really

01:15:10   fast.

01:15:10   And then also alternate alternately making it more efficient which is also important for

01:15:15   them, right?

01:15:16   Is to say, yes, but also it's the best battery life we've ever had.

01:15:21   That we, you know, they did the new design.

01:15:24   And if you're the eSIM only model, which has a little tiny bit more

01:15:28   battery, You get the best uh battery life of any iPhone.

01:15:32   And like that that real world test again, they're quoting in a real world

01:15:38   test 24 hours per charge of an 18 Pro and 30 hours on a

01:15:43   Pro Max which is a wild number.

01:15:45   That is a wild number.

01:15:46   24 hours of battery life on an iPhone.

01:15:49   And also the the what did it say?

01:15:51   The 18 Pro, the battery life was as much as the second

01:15:58   Pro Max.

01:15:59   Yeah.

01:15:59   That's really cool.

01:16:01   Mm-hmm.

01:16:02   Like I I'm I'm very, very down with that.

01:16:05   Like that's really good.

01:16:06   I'm I'm very happy with that.

01:16:08   Yeah.

01:16:08   And they they list it off like this is a combination of the chip

01:16:13   and also the software

01:16:16   and like it's and and the battery and figuring out how they all work

01:16:22   together um and then the battery life and Emerges from that.

01:16:27   Yeah.

01:16:27   Yeah, it's really very interesting stuff.

01:16:31   Uh and but it's fifty percent charge in fifteen minutes on a wired charger.

01:16:35   Like they're doing some faster charging stuff.

01:16:38   So these are all good things, right?

01:16:39   Like they're just like Oh yes, this is all good stuff.

01:16:42   Like, yeah, if you're getting on an airplane and you only have five minutes

01:16:44   to plug it in, you'll be able to watch a movie on the flight.

01:16:47   Yeah.

01:16:47   That's basically their argument here.

01:16:48   Yep.

01:16:49   Yeah.

01:16:49   So that's pretty cool.

01:16:50   It's pretty cool.

01:16:51   Yeah.

01:16:51   Should talk about the camera.

01:16:52   Let's talk about it.

01:16:54   We have we have the variable first variable aperture physical aperture control on an

01:17:00   iPhone ever.

01:17:02   With Mike

01:17:04   laser cut blades thinner than a human hair.

01:17:09   I don't I don't know what to do with that.

01:17:11   Did they do a James Bond thing with John Turnus at the end?

01:17:15   I think they did, right?

01:17:16   Where like it was what John Turnus and then i it did the the

01:17:20   the kind of the aperture thing.

01:17:21   A little aperture with the gun barrel.

01:17:23   I maybe I think they were I don't know why they why they did

01:17:26   that.

01:17:26   Um it looked like that to me.

01:17:27   Uh I hope that that's what they're doing.

01:17:29   Again, they're they're they're boasting here about the impressive technology that's required to do

01:17:34   a physical aperture.

01:17:36   It's a moving part, right?

01:17:37   It's on a device that has no moving parts.

01:17:40   But this is what you need to do for the physics of light.

01:17:42   So now they've got that, you know, rotor mechanism and it allows them to

01:17:47   The the key thing here is it allows them to let in lots and

01:17:50   lots of light when they want to, which leads to positive things like night

01:17:56   mode captures being faster.

01:17:58   Um, but also it allows them to close the aperture when they need to

01:18:04   to block the light and also to create other photographic effects.

01:18:07   So you end up with um the software being or or the user, but

01:18:12   the user or the software being able to control that aperture in order to

01:18:16   get the desired effect.

01:18:17   And and you know, there's a lot as we got into it, the the

01:18:21   pro controls, which is that thing that had been rumored is like, are they

01:18:24   gonna build the whole app?

01:18:25   And the answer is no they're gonna build this whole pro control system where

01:18:30   you can customize your apps and you've got control over more stuff and have

01:18:34   a histogram.

01:18:35   This is what Mark German was talking about, right?

01:18:38   This was the the the thing that he was talking about a long time

01:18:41   ago.

01:18:41   And this is what supposedly Apple hired Sebastian DeWitt, who did um who did

01:18:46   Halide uh to work on some of this stuff too, because this is pro

01:18:50   camera features inside the camera app.

01:18:53   Um a histogram, you can adjust the aperture, you can change the s shutter

01:18:57   speed.

01:18:57   That was a thing I really liked is like if you want to have

01:19:00   motion trails or uh stuff like that, you can change the shutter speed uh

01:19:05   in the camera app.

01:19:07   Um which I don't think you could do in a camera app before I

01:19:11   think you needed an advanced app for that.

01:19:13   So that'll be the challenge here is that those advanced camera apps are gonna

01:19:16   be a little challenged by this.

01:19:18   But at the same time what I would say is the people who want

01:19:20   to use the full features of the camera, we'll probably want to use an

01:19:24   advanced camera app instead of this.

01:19:26   So, you know, there's always more room out on the edges for those.

01:19:29   But I I was impressed that Apple is adding in a whole load of

01:19:32   that stuff.

01:19:33   And then photographic styles, they uh they increased as well.

01:19:35   Yeah I'm with texture and texture and grains.

01:19:38   So you can you can personalize your pr your photographic style even more now.

01:19:42   I just want them to keep working on that feature because I I really

01:19:45   like that feature.

01:19:46   Um and

01:19:49   I like a little bit of grain in my photos too.

01:19:51   So I'm pleased that they did this.

01:19:53   Nice.

01:19:53   Um I I feel like at this point I'm not gonna need to use

01:19:56   a photo editor at all on my phone.

01:19:59   Um, because like I've I've used Visco uh VSCO, I've used Darkroom, like I've

01:20:04   used these apps over time.

01:20:06   And photographic styles has reduced the amount of time that I use these types

01:20:11   of uh uh editing tools because I I really like the I you have

01:20:14   a slightly tweaked gold uh is the the color preset slightly tweaked it.

01:20:19   If I could add a little grain in there, like I I would be

01:20:22   very happy.

01:20:23   I don't know if I'd use that all the time, but I like being

01:20:26   able to add some of that in and and play around with the photographic

01:20:29   styles, which is a feature that I I I really like.

01:20:31   Oh, I was I want to just touch on the aperture again, uh just

01:20:35   as like I'm I'm really intrigued to see what it looks like from my

01:20:39   photos.

01:20:40   It's like 'cause again, it's like they show off the the the example images

01:20:45   and like this was taken at this and this and it's like I don't

01:20:47   I have no concept of what you're showing me.

01:20:51   You know, it's like look how impressive this image is.

01:20:54   And it's like, I agree that's a good image that what you're showing me

01:20:58   you know, like these these look good, but what would they have been otherwise?

01:21:04   And and I'm you know, it's like I feel like so many times over

01:21:08   the years there have been like the biggest leap in the camera.

01:21:12   And then we get it and we're like, I mean yes, a little bit

01:21:14   better.

01:21:15   Like but i they it's not huge and it does feel like every time

01:21:20   that they have done stuff around lighting, the amount of light that can go

01:21:24   into an image, it has made a big improvement.

01:21:26   So So my hope is that that is what we're gonna see.

01:21:28   Right.

01:21:29   Yeah.

01:21:29   I was happy to hear like a few little bit of night mode getting

01:21:32   improved.

01:21:32   That made me excited.

01:21:34   Like faster and better.

01:21:35   Brilliant, because I quite like that.

01:21:37   And ultimately you have more control over depth of field because of the aperture.

01:21:42   So there'll be some degree of that that is going on.

01:21:45   And I'm gonna be intrigued to see like without the

01:21:50   pro controls, how much control do I get?

01:21:53   Right?

01:21:53   How automatic is it?

01:21:55   What do they how simple is it?

01:21:57   You know, like w w how much benefit do I get without digging into

01:22:01   the big stuff?

01:22:02   My my imagine is that there'll be a, you know, fully functional auto setting

01:22:05   that does just what a auto setting on a film camera would do, which

01:22:08   is gonna adjust the aperture based on how much light it senses and and

01:22:12   you know, that's how that's gonna work.

01:22:14   Can we speaking of which, new photo features?

01:22:17   Yep.

01:22:18   Um, Apple reference image was announced today.

01:22:21   Yes.

01:22:22   In the midst of a photo a phone launch, they announced this new system

01:22:26   whereby they literally sign their photo data from the sensor at a pixel level

01:22:34   and then use private cloud compute

01:22:38   to generate a signed unalterable image that lives with your photo that you can

01:22:45   edit so that you can always provide the signed photo as evidence of that

01:22:53   this was not an artificially manipulated photo.

01:22:55   Interesting.

01:22:57   Interesting.

01:22:59   I mean they're supporting Synth ID as well, which is just, you know a

01:23:02   tag if something was AI generated, but and and the way they're doing it

01:23:07   is it's not that you can't edit your photo, but by putting them together,

01:23:12   what it's saying if you adjust the You know, you crop it and you

01:23:15   adjust the the contrast and the colors and all of that because you're a

01:23:18   news photographer.

01:23:20   Um, but perhaps your employer wants also to have the evidence of I don't

01:23:27   know how this is gonna work, the evidence that this is a a real

01:23:30   photo and not something to say I generated, the Apple is basically providing iPhone

01:23:34   photographers with the ability to do that and say, here's the evidence that this

01:23:37   is a real photo.

01:23:38   This is a a cryptographically signed original that is unaltered.

01:23:43   That's interesting.

01:23:45   It is interesting.

01:23:47   The thing that you've suggested is great, right?

01:23:49   That like people who are camera professionals will be able to have this is

01:23:53   how they sold the feature is this is a very specific feature that is

01:23:56   how do I prove that this photo is real?

01:23:58   And the answer is this is how.

01:23:59   But like kind of what I want

01:24:02   is what about everyone?

01:24:04   You know what I mean?

01:24:05   Well I I think the answer is Apple did this.

01:24:08   I I and I don't know enough about the background here to know if

01:24:11   there's somebody who's trying to work on a standard here or not.

01:24:13   Yeah.

01:24:14   So this could be part of a larger thing or it could be Apple

01:24:17   just laying their cards down and saying everybody else should do this too, some

01:24:20   version of this.

01:24:21   Which uh it's an interesting take, right?

01:24:23   Of like, how do I know that this photo you you could you could

01:24:26   end up in a place where any photo you see, you could say, show

01:24:29   me the original and verify that this is real.

01:24:33   And it if it if it showed you something that had been cryptographically verified,

01:24:39   then you would know that it was a real image.

01:24:40   Yeah.

01:24:41   That could be great.

01:24:42   But, you know, Apple isn't the world today.

01:24:44   They're changing the output of their iPhone.

01:24:48   But I think it is an interesting attempt to

01:24:52   reinforce that this is the you know by by getting down to the pixel

01:24:56   level on the sensor, um proving that this is a photo that was actually

01:25:00   captured.

01:25:01   There were two video features that I was excited about.

01:25:06   Um one is that you can add cinematic mode effects to videos after you

01:25:11   shoot them.

01:25:12   Brilliant.

01:25:13   Right.

01:25:13   It's like I don't want to be choosing a mode, but maybe I would

01:25:17   be able to make a video better, right?

01:25:18   By by having adding some of these effects.

01:25:21   Um and also smart focus tracking with on-device AI.

01:25:24   So you can set like track this person and it will track them, keep

01:25:27   them in focus.

01:25:28   If they leave and come back, it still tracks them.

01:25:30   That's a cool.

01:25:31   That's cool feature.

01:25:32   Um

01:25:34   Smaller dynamic island now?

01:25:37   Sure.

01:25:37   Uh you can have three live activities viewable at once.

01:25:41   Fun.

01:25:41   Cool.

01:25:42   Right.

01:25:42   Like that's that's nice.

01:25:43   And I expect that that will also work uh on the duo because the

01:25:48   dynamic island

01:25:50   Is good.

01:25:52   I don't know what the geometry of that is.

01:25:54   I'm gonna assume it's a good idea.

01:25:55   Especially the inside one though, because there isn't one until you need it.

01:25:59   It's software.

01:25:59   So it's all software.

01:26:01   The eighteen pro starts at $11.99.

01:26:05   So it is $100 more at the starting price.

01:26:08   It goes up to two terabytes and it goes way up, right?

01:26:12   Like it it keeps on going.

01:26:14   An 18 Pro Max at two terabytes is two thousand four hundred and ninety-nine

01:26:19   dollars.

01:26:20   So that that two terabyte model it they're making feels like they're making more

01:26:24   money as it goes up in storage, which you'd expect.

01:26:27   Um I I saw uh while we were recording in the live chat people

01:26:31   were saying that the older phones got more expensive.

01:26:36   Yeah, a hundred dollars.

01:26:37   All all the other phones are a hundred dollars more expensive too today.

01:26:41   This was the price increase day for the iPhone.

01:26:43   Okay.

01:26:44   I mean it's a hundred for all of them.

01:26:46   Yeah.

01:26:47   Uh d I don't I don't know if I expected that at this point,

01:26:52   but I guess if you're gonna do it, do it now, right?

01:26:57   So Yeah.

01:26:58   Very interesting stuff.

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01:30:17   Before we move on,

01:30:20   important category to mention.

01:30:21   Okay.

01:30:22   Accessories.

01:30:23   Ah, okay.

01:30:25   So So they're still making Tech Woven a thing.

01:30:28   That's exciting.

01:30:30   Yep.

01:30:31   Okay.

01:30:32   I mean fine woven has become tech woven.

01:30:34   We're still weaving.

01:30:36   There's there's there's no new there's no new woven.

01:30:38   Mm-hmm.

01:30:40   Um, but more importantly, I think one of our draft picks that we didn't

01:30:45   do is a new accessory of some sort is introduced.

01:30:48   Yeah.

01:30:49   It's a shame because there was there is a new wrist strap for iPhone

01:30:54   and the AirPods Pro case as well.

01:30:57   So instead of just the existing strap Yeah, that's a good use.

01:31:02   There is there is now a wrist strap.

01:31:05   So you can take that case and then put the instead of j using

01:31:08   the connectors for the the b cross body strap, you can use a wrist

01:31:13   strap or you can loop it around the little AirPods Pro case and do

01:31:16   it there too.

01:31:16   So that's a new thing.

01:31:17   I guess that looks like you could use the crossbody strap kind of with

01:31:21   an App Bus Pro?

01:31:23   I don't think so.

01:31:23   I don't think it works that way.

01:31:24   Because it's the two sides, right?

01:31:25   Yeah.

01:31:26   Yeah, yeah.

01:31:26   I don't think I don't think it's the same.

01:31:28   Um there is a uh iPhone duo case that is two pieces for the

01:31:32   two sides of it, which is how uh that was my question last time

01:31:35   was how do you do a a folding phone case and the answer is

01:31:37   two pieces.

01:31:39   And there is the iPhone Duo folio case, which has a kickstand, which I

01:31:47   think is a first for Apple.

01:31:49   Um, a kickstand.

01:31:52   Now, I'm not a fan of the kickstand case.

01:31:55   I have my reasons.

01:31:56   My reasons are mostly the kickstands are bad for laps.

01:32:00   They're unstable in a lap.

01:32:02   Yeah.

01:32:02   However,

01:32:04   I thought the duopolio case actually looked okay.

01:32:07   The idea that you you might want to have it be be like on

01:32:11   a table.

01:32:13   Yeah.

01:32:13   I thought it w I thought it was okay.

01:32:15   I don't want one, but I think it's interesting use of a kickstand.

01:32:18   The the weird thing about this case to me though is that you cover

01:32:22   the front of the phone as well.

01:32:25   I I don't know.

01:32:27   You do.

01:32:27   It's it's like a it's it's like a Oh yeah it covers it covers

01:32:31   your well it's like a book.

01:32:33   It's un you have to open it up to see the front of the

01:32:36   phone too.

01:32:36   But you just treat it like a book then.

01:32:38   How does that case look?

01:32:39   I don't know it's weird.

01:32:40   Let's f we'll find out.

01:32:41   I can't wait to try it.

01:32:43   Because the I guess the I mean it covers I guess the duo case

01:32:46   is two pieces.

01:32:47   I think it's I think it's magn I think the folio case is magnetic,

01:32:51   so you can open the folio up.

01:32:53   But I but you're right, it is kind of just treating it like it's

01:32:56   a book.

01:32:57   You never need to see the other screen.

01:32:59   I don't understand how this case works.

01:33:01   Like what happens when you open the front part?

01:33:04   Where does it go?

01:33:06   This is fascinating.

01:33:08   Around back.

01:33:09   I don't know.

01:33:10   It's a mystery.

01:33:11   I need to know more.

01:33:13   Well surely there are hands-on events happening right now and people are are showing

01:33:18   off these things.

01:33:19   But yeah, that is a really weird phone case.

01:33:22   Anyway, so stay tuned for that.

01:33:23   But um shout out to those who love kickstands.

01:33:26   Cause Apple's kicking it.

01:33:27   Yep.

01:33:28   A little bit.

01:33:28   Yep.

01:33:29   They're making a stand and they're kicking it.

01:33:32   Alright, should we talk about the Apple Watch?

01:33:34   We should.

01:33:34   Alright, so we've got the Apple Watch Series twelve and the Apple Watch Ultra

01:33:39   Four.

01:33:40   I guess the biggest thing that's gone on here is they've redone what they're

01:33:44   calling the health sensing system.

01:33:46   So this is all of the different sensors on the back of the Apple

01:33:48   Watch that are tracking a bunch of things, which is essentially allowing them to

01:33:52   take heart rate information all day now.

01:33:55   Right.

01:33:55   All the time, yeah.

01:33:56   All the time.

01:33:57   Yeah.

01:33:57   Yeah.

01:33:57   That's the big that's the big thing here.

01:33:59   Yeah.

01:33:59   You get the sense that they they increased the surface for the ECG, which

01:34:02   is probably good.

01:34:04   Um, but the the big story here is that they're monitoring your heart rate

01:34:09   at a all the time instead of just like just when you're doing a

01:34:13   workout or or and then I think what it w it was like when

01:34:16   you're doing a workout or there was a sample that would happen every so

01:34:19   often.

01:34:20   But now it's just all the time, every five seconds.

01:34:23   And then they're also measuring heart rate variability more often as well, which allows

01:34:27   them to claim it's the most accurate heart sensing and a wearable.

01:34:30   So that's a big upgrade.

01:34:32   So they didn't we didn't get new sensors, we got better sensors, which I

01:34:35   I think that's good.

01:34:36   I I I get the feeling like the sensor stack on the Apple Watch

01:34:40   was kind of built up over time and that this was like their redesign

01:34:43   of it to get all of this stuff to be more efficient.

01:34:45   Yeah.

01:34:47   With this is a few things going on, right?

01:34:49   There as you said like they're uh they're gonna display this information in new

01:34:54   ways.

01:34:54   The they have a new heart rate kind of view in the heart app.

01:34:59   HR V is now in the vitals app and there's a new daytime view

01:35:03   of the Vitals app as well as the nighttime view because they're taking the

01:35:07   information more.

01:35:08   And then all of this is flowing into a new readiness score.

01:35:12   This is something that is in all of the fitness apps and wearables now.

01:35:18   Um th and you know, it's Sleep Plus Plus has a readiness score and

01:35:21   it's taking in how you've slept overnight and also it will update throughout the

01:35:25   day.

01:35:25   So it's kind of like your readiness at any point.

01:35:27   It'll give you a score of up to 10, and it kind of gives

01:35:30   you an inform gives you information about how you should be dealing with your

01:35:33   fitness.

01:35:34   But there was a bunch of other bits that I thought were interesting.

01:35:37   So there's a whole new health app design, which is coming later this year,

01:35:41   which I found really interesting.

01:35:43   Um, and it's redesigned, it's got a bunch of Apple intelligence powered insights and

01:35:47   stuff like that.

01:35:48   But they're also doing health age

01:35:51   long so this is like how old how old does your body act compared

01:35:56   to your age.

01:35:58   Right.

01:35:58   Um longevity, which is like this wheel which is summarizing a bunch of key

01:36:03   areas about your health.

01:36:04   I don't like that phrase, longevity.

01:36:07   Right.

01:36:08   But you know You will die soon.

01:36:10   And they also have, I think this is really cool, a test, I reckon,

01:36:14   to calibrate your cardio fitness score.

01:36:17   Cause I've heard from including underscore says that the some of the cardio fitness

01:36:21   stuff from the Apple Watch can be quite off compared to other devices.

01:36:24   So it's a test you can do for cardio fitness, which I expect then

01:36:28   calibrates it as well.

01:36:29   But that looked that test looked really cool.

01:36:31   Um I thought that the overall health kind of package and part of the

01:36:37   the Apple Watch presentation much stronger than previous years.

01:36:40   Yeah.

01:36:41   Because it's the combination of hardware and software.

01:36:43   They've been missing the hardware stuff for a long time.

01:36:45   And the uh the updated health app.

01:36:48   Right.

01:36:48   Which they they really are leaning into that and and talking about that in

01:36:52   the um in the Apple Watch made sense.

01:36:57   But like that's that's that's a right correct me if I'm wrong, that's a

01:37:00   new health app that's not in the iOS twenty seven betas.

01:37:04   It is not in the betas.

01:37:05   It's coming later this year.

01:37:06   Yeah, yeah.

01:37:07   So that's interesting.

01:37:08   That's that's something that they held back because they I think wanted to have

01:37:11   all of this other stuff that they were gonna put in there.

01:37:14   And I'm a that's really interesting.

01:37:16   I've been asking for a long time on this show, right?

01:37:18   That that I wanted Apple to do a better job of taking all the

01:37:21   information that they have and putting it together in a way that makes sense.

01:37:24   They're adding a bunch of features that bring them to parity with competitors and

01:37:28   Apple intelligence powered stuff.

01:37:29   It's like great, like is something I'm tracking.

01:37:32   How is it going?

01:37:33   Give me information about that, draw pieces of information together show me them in

01:37:38   new ways.

01:37:39   Like I am very keen to try this out and see how it compares

01:37:42   to apps that I use, like Athletic, which I think does a really good

01:37:45   job of this stuff.

01:37:47   Um and I and I wonder how it will compare.

01:37:50   Like I I think this is really I think this is really good.

01:37:53   And I you know, I I moved from uh I was using a whoop

01:37:56   band and I went to athletic 'cause I felt like Whoop was way too

01:37:59   athlete focused.

01:38:00   Athletic is kind of for everyone and I expect Apple's health app will be

01:38:05   even more so uh in that regard.

01:38:08   So very interesting, I think the stuff they're doing.

01:38:11   But that wasn't all.

01:38:12   I mean, okay.

01:38:14   No, no, no.

01:38:16   This is the this gets my vote for the most surprising and weirdest feature

01:38:24   of this entire event.

01:38:26   And they they they did a folding iPhone, people.

01:38:29   Yeah.

01:38:30   And yet.

01:38:32   They added a bunch of AI features to the Apple Watch.

01:38:35   Not surprising.

01:38:35   There's not surprising at all.

01:38:38   And they add sound recognition, which is a nice feature.

01:38:40   So that's on the watch even if your phone's not around.

01:38:42   If you can't hear or can't hear well and there's an alarm, it'll put

01:38:46   a thing on your watch that says I hear an alarm.

01:38:48   That's cool.

01:38:50   But they added live rewind

01:38:53   where if somebody says something and you missed it, it's like the Apple Watch

01:38:57   or sorry, Apple T V where you back up and they give you captions,

01:39:01   except in real life.

01:39:03   Um, but unless that person leaves, couldn't you just ask them to repeat themselves?

01:39:06   But instead you're like, No, no, no, I'm just gonna rewind on my and

01:39:08   look at my Apple Watch for 15 seconds.

01:39:11   Social awkwardness.

01:39:12   You know, I got it.

01:39:13   I got it.

01:39:14   I got it.

01:39:14   Social awkwardness.

01:39:16   But that means that it's it's recording and transcribing,

01:39:20   or it's recording a window temporarily in a in a secure area that is

01:39:24   not kept for 15 second buffer.

01:39:27   You're putting a 15 second buffer on your conversation.

01:39:29   So that's interesting.

01:39:30   But again,

01:39:32   that's not the weirdest part.

01:39:34   The weirdest part 15 seconds is not enough time, maybe.

01:39:37   Right?

01:39:37   Like like I agree.

01:39:39   If you actually want to make this useful, but you gotta start somewhere.

01:39:42   I agree.

01:39:43   But then there's Siri Recap.

01:39:45   Unbelievable.

01:39:45   Friends, Siri Recap is like a is like that pendant.

01:39:49   It's like it's like literally if you want.

01:39:54   Siri will listen on your Apple Watch to your whole conversation as you have

01:39:59   it and generate meeting notes.

01:40:01   It's a meeting it's meeting notes for life.

01:40:04   And yeah, they're like, Oh, oh, oh, it's always on.

01:40:06   It could well like no no, you can make it so it's only when

01:40:09   you're work and never never at night, or you could turn it on and

01:40:12   off from the control center.

01:40:13   Yes, that's

01:40:15   um and it and they they make a point of saying it can't be

01:40:18   recorded or stored, it doesn't speakers, it can't be accessed.

01:40:21   They're obviously taking this, transcribe throwing the audio data away, but transcribing it and

01:40:27   generating a document out of it.

01:40:28   Okay.

01:40:29   But still, I I did not expect Apple to just drop a feature like

01:40:35   this where it's hey, guess what?

01:40:37   Now you can do meeting notes for your entire life on your Apple Watch.

01:40:42   And just leave it on.

01:40:45   It's a bold strategy, Continent.

01:40:48   Yeah, let's see how it works out for him.

01:40:50   Now look, I'm gonna say I am very intrigued to try this.

01:40:54   Like I because I like really want to see what is Apple's version of

01:41:00   this kind of thing.

01:41:01   Like

01:41:03   What is it doing?

01:41:05   How does it really work?

01:41:07   You know

01:41:09   you could tell with the

01:41:12   the amount of of caveats that they give, right?

01:41:14   Yes.

01:41:15   That like You can turn it off and to any crypto folio, we don't

01:41:19   know anything.

01:41:19   It's like they know how people will react to this.

01:41:22   Yeah.

01:41:22   But I am fascinated by the fact that they've decided to make the Apple

01:41:27   Watch an AI wearable.

01:41:28   Like they've yeah, they've done it.

01:41:30   Like Like Okay.

01:41:31   Like I want to see

01:41:35   what on earth

01:41:38   this looks like.

01:41:41   So and they said it was the c the information is in the Siri

01:41:45   app, right?

01:41:46   I think.

01:41:47   Yeah.

01:41:47   Like it has like the recap is in the Siri app on your watching

01:41:51   phone.

01:41:51   Yeah.

01:41:52   I mean, this is one of these things it's like

01:41:56   gotta s just gotta see it, you know?

01:41:58   Like Yeah.

01:41:59   Gotta see it.

01:42:00   'Cause yeah.

01:42:02   I understand on the face of it there are gonna be a lot of

01:42:04   people who are like, What on earth is that?

01:42:06   Where on I am like, I wanna see this.

01:42:09   Like what are you doing?

01:42:10   Like like yeah.

01:42:12   Fascinating thing to just throw out there.

01:42:15   I never would have imagined it in the way that they did it.

01:42:20   Like I imagine them doing something like this, not with the Apple Watch.

01:42:23   I don't know why but I don't think I would have expected the Apple

01:42:27   Watch as the place where we first see something like this.

01:42:30   But maybe it's a better device than the AirPods, right?

01:42:34   Like you you actually do have it on all the time, right?

01:42:38   Right.

01:42:39   Yep.

01:42:39   Yeah.

01:42:40   Really interesting.

01:42:41   Like I I don't really know what to make of it.

01:42:43   Uh apparently there's a secure exclave.

01:42:46   I I don't we have enclaves and exclaves.

01:42:49   I don't Yeah, yeah.

01:42:50   I don't know what that means.

01:42:51   What does that's not new, but they're they're they're different.

01:42:54   Yeah, they're different.

01:42:55   One's on the inside, one's on the outside.

01:42:57   Oh yeah.

01:42:58   You got it.

01:42:59   Okay, cool.

01:43:00   I don't I didn't get it.

01:43:01   Like I said the thing.

01:43:02   I don't really know what it means.

01:43:04   Uh but that's cool.

01:43:05   I'm pleased that that's a that's the thing.

01:43:07   Um

01:43:08   The Series twelve comes in gray, black, gold, and bronze aluminium, golden natural titanium,

01:43:16   white and blue ceramic.

01:43:19   I'm so happy.

01:43:20   Now the white ceramic is not as white as the previous ceramics.

01:43:26   It's kind of more maybe ivory colored.

01:43:31   I am very keen.

01:43:33   I have already ordered one.

01:43:34   Uh so There we go.

01:43:36   Yeah.

01:43:37   I can't wait.

01:43:38   I'm very excited about it.

01:43:39   Like it's the the watch that I want.

01:43:41   The one bummer.

01:43:43   So the original ceramic came with a white sport band with a ceramic pin

01:43:50   instead of the metal pin.

01:43:52   This one does not.

01:43:53   You just choose your band.

01:43:55   I think that's a shame.

01:43:56   Uh I I'm I'm sad about that.

01:43:58   I would like the ceramic pin.

01:44:01   Uh maybe I could try and find one on eBay or something.

01:44:03   Do you you don't still have your ceramic Apple Watch?

01:44:05   I sold it.

01:44:06   With band.

01:44:07   I sold it.

01:44:07   Yeah.

01:44:08   Alas.

01:44:08   And I wanted to keep the band, but that felt a bit mean to

01:44:10   the person buying it, you know?

01:44:12   It's like I'm gonna get rid of it.

01:44:14   So I will t see if I can try and find one, but uh

01:44:17   otherwise I'll just I'll just get by I mean to be honest, I I

01:44:20   I like other bands more than uh sport bands these days anyway.

01:44:24   So I have it but I'll probably use a different band.

01:44:27   Uh there's a lot of other band colours.

01:44:28   I want to see what they look like with that thing I'll I'll check

01:44:30   it out in an Apple store at some point.

01:44:32   Uh the Ultra Four has a larger battery, um, two day battery life, 18

01:44:38   hours on in workout mode, 45 hours uh in the extended workout mode.

01:44:43   Uh the Apple Watches, I think the prices have stayed the same.

01:44:47   I believe.

01:44:48   $3.99 and $7.99 to start.

01:44:51   Uh there were also AirPods.

01:44:53   I don't I don't know if you have much to say on that.

01:44:55   It's cool that now all AirPods do noise cancellation.

01:44:58   Right.

01:44:59   They they there's a new higher cost one, which is actually less of a

01:45:03   higher cost.

01:45:03   So they're 129 and 149.

01:45:05   I think they used to be 129 and N179.

01:45:10   And they all do ANC.

01:45:12   The high-end one is uh volume adjustment, volume adjustment on the stems, which the

01:45:19   first time on the non-pro AirPods.

01:45:21   Battery life is better

01:45:24   and um has the wireless charging case.

01:45:27   Yeah.

01:45:28   But um but you can get A and C even on the 129 AirPods

01:45:31   now.

01:45:31   And I mean they said it's fifty percent better at noise reduction, which is

01:45:35   great because that's the whole point of having noise cancellation on and AirPods.

01:45:41   It's nice 'cause there are now more options, right?

01:45:43   And and great.

01:45:45   Right?

01:45:45   Like it's like a thing.

01:45:46   And and the AirPods thing was done in the train station in LA and

01:45:50   when I was talking about extras earlier, there's a ticket kiosk and they're people

01:45:54   lined up to sell to buy tickets and the person who's selling them the

01:45:58   tickets looks like they're out of a like a movie from the forties.

01:46:02   It's like a guy with a hat and a like a little uniform.

01:46:05   Interesting.

01:46:06   And I thought that was hilarious.

01:46:08   Huh.

01:46:09   Okay.

01:46:10   Just details.

01:46:11   I love I love that they have all of these extras in these scenes.

01:46:14   It's It did it felt a little bit more alive.

01:46:17   Yep.

01:46:18   So that's it.

01:46:20   Is that all?

01:46:21   I think that's all.

01:46:23   Obviously there's gonna be more over the next couple of weeks.

01:46:27   September eighteenth release for everything basically except the duo.

01:46:32   IPhone Duo, which would be an October thing.

01:46:34   Which you're you're right.

01:46:35   From a I want to see it now, I'm disappointed.

01:46:38   From a we have more time to process the other products and then also

01:46:42   think about and learn about the iPhone Duo it is nice to have that

01:46:45   time and it not be a total avalanche in the next, you know, week

01:46:50   and a half.

01:46:50   So that's And I I think it's a kindness to developers too.

01:46:54   Um also true.

01:46:55   Because this is a big UI change.

01:46:57   Yeah.

01:46:58   Because, you know, people were like, Oh, we'll just prepare for the way they're

01:47:01   showing us with the screen mirroring.

01:47:03   It's like, yes, but what if also all of these buttons move?

01:47:06   It's like, ah, yeah.

01:47:07   Okay.

01:47:08   So I uh I'm I'm pleased that there is a little bit more time,

01:47:11   right?

01:47:11   Like people can get Their app submitted for twenty seven and then they can

01:47:15   start working on this uh as well.

01:47:18   So but it's gonna be interesting to see how that all unfolds, pun intended.

01:47:22   Uh before we

01:47:24   breaking news, breaking news breaking news, breaking news.

01:47:26   Yep.

01:47:27   It's possible that the sand sport band comes with a ceramic band.

01:47:32   Oh.

01:47:33   This this just in from Piotr in the chat.

01:47:36   It's possible.

01:47:37   That's the one I ordered.

01:47:39   Oh.

01:47:40   Because that's the best looking band combination.

01:47:42   Sandsport band.

01:47:43   Sandsport band.

01:47:44   Well, report back.

01:47:45   You can be our report back.

01:47:47   Ceramic watch correspondent here.

01:47:49   I mean, I'll say it doesn't say that like if that is the case,

01:47:52   I don't I didn't find anywhere where it said it.

01:47:55   Um Maybe it's color matched at least.

01:47:58   Yeah, I mean or it could just be doing a reflection.

01:48:01   Like you know, it's like it's hard to know.

01:48:04   Report back.

01:48:05   I mean I will September eighteenth.

01:48:06   I absolutely will report back.

01:48:08   Uh very excited.

01:48:10   Please do.

01:48:10   Before we go, I want to mention uh thank you so much to everybody

01:48:14   that's reached out about Designed in California.

01:48:16   Um I cannot remember a time uh where I got so many positive messages

01:48:21   about a new project.

01:48:22   It really has been wonderful.

01:48:25   Um it I think the greatest uh uh series of like of compliments that

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01:48:35   Uh and so people have listened to the entire series already if they're a

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01:48:43   Now this week's episode, which is already out, we released it uh a day

01:48:46   early because of the Apple event this year, 'cause uh this week, sorry, 'cause

01:48:49   the the show will be coming out on Wednesdays.

01:48:51   Um it sees the entrance of Jean Louis Gasset to the story that we're

01:48:56   telling of Apple's macOS crisis, leading to the potential acquisition of Gas.

01:49:01   A's company B.

01:49:02   So you can check that out on designed in California at relay.fm slash designed.

01:49:07   Uh we haven't mentioned this, I don't think, on the show yet so I'm

01:49:10   going to mention it very clearly and put some links in the show notes.

01:49:12   There is a YouTube version of the show, full video, wonderful edit.

01:49:17   Um matches the audio edit exactly.

01:49:20   So that's great.

01:49:21   And we also have an Instagram account where I'm sharing some clips and behind

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01:49:26   Both of these, the usernames, are designed in CA.

01:49:30   Um, which reads designed Inca if you which is how I read it in

01:49:35   my head a lot, but is designed in CA.

01:49:38   Uh so if you wanna uh go you wanna uh follow along there you

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01:49:46   Okay, so we have from the newsroom post further breaking news from Nathan.

01:49:51   What?

01:49:51   A stunning new ceramic version of the Apple Watch is available in pearl white

01:49:55   and night blue finishes.

01:49:57   Sand and navy blue sport bands that come with ceramic versions of the Apple

01:50:01   Watch Series twelve feature a ceramic pin and tuck closure designed to perfectly match

01:50:07   the case.

01:50:08   Ladies and gentlemen, we did it.

01:50:10   All right.

01:50:12   So play it relief.

01:50:13   This this story that we've been worried about for the last four minutes has

01:50:17   been resolved.

01:50:18   Hooray.

01:50:19   Hooray indeed.

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