636: Opening a Book Backward
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From Relay, this is Upgrade Episode 6
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for September.
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It is a Wednesday because we just watched the Apple event.
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This episode is brought to you by Keeper Squarespace and Factor.
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My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by Jason Snow.
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Happy Wednesday, Mike.
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Happy Wednesday indeed.
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I surprised myself by looking at the date.
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Um yeah, we as we're recording this, the Apple event has basically just finished,
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like twenty minutes ago or something like that.
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Um and so we're coming hot off the presses.
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I have a lot of notes.
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I'm not sure that these notes make logical sense, but we'll work it out
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and I've got product pages in front of me.
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But no one wants to hear about any of this because I have a
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snow talk question.
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It comes from me and I want to know, Jason, what did you think
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of the opening video for the iPhone event.
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Oh I like so we sort of are getting right into it with Snell
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That's interesting.
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Um I I wasn't sure because I'm thinking, you know, we just shot on
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iPhone and it starts to feel like one of those videos where there's the
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Indiana Jones like guy walking away from the fire.
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I'm like it's like those videos they do about cinematic mode.
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But then it turns out that it's this thing about like, Oh, but i
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we could start this way, this would be a great opening scene, and this
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would be a great opening shot.
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And, you know, th there's the samurai running through the forest or and the
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and the getaway driver.
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And then Tim Cook does the voiceover and what a great pivot that was.
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I love that part.
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You know, h disappearing into Apple Park and he says, uh, it's the your
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main character and Tim K Cook appears and goes, Oh, it's not me.
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That's your guy.
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And points behind him.
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I'm not your guy.
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That's your guy.
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Like That's your guy.
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There are many ways to do something like this wrong.
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And I think it was really I think it was quite heartwarming, actually, I
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think, as as a moment to be like, yo, he's here, it's a cameo,
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it's fun, he's the guy you know.
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Actually, I'm not the guy you're looking for, you know?
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These are not the CEOs you're looking for.
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That's the one over there and turn us Turnus is being an action hero
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walking in the background.
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It was I thought it was pretty sweet.
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Yeah, I think this is the right they nailed the tone here, which is
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you don't want it to be too jokey.
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But also having it be a little bit light and just having it be
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like, ah, you're surprised that it's me, but you shouldn't be, 'cause um I'm
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not who I'm talking about.
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Like it it was a good setup, it was well scripted.
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Good uh good performance by Tim Cook there going out on a high high
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dramatically.
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I thought that was really historically not Great when it comes to the performances.
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Uh also, I think it's worth you know, like there are lots of people
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watching the iPhone event that do not know that Tim Cook is not the
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CEO of Apple anymore.
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So Tim is gonna say, Oh no, it's not me.
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You gotta you gotta talk to that guy.
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And then and then John Turnis does his thing where he says I'm ver
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you know, honored to be representing everybody here, which is a a good again,
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you don't wanna do too much of that, but um I I think having
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that actual passing of the of the baton there is the right thing to
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And they they they hit the tone right.
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Yeah, and I I liked that in doing it that way, um, Turnus didn't
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have to do the kind of like thanks Tim, kind of thing.
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Like I I I think they were able to kind of avoid that by
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having the baton pass rather than him just showing up and being like, I'm
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the new CEO.
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I loved him.
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You know, like it just it's not really not really.
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And by the way, hello was the opening.
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He says hello.
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Which I think is good because, you know, I I was talking to I
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think I was talking to Adina about this because she was asking, like, do
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you think you'll say good morning?
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And it's like, no.
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And I was like, also I I believe this to be the case.
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Jobs used to say good morning, right?
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And then Tim Cook started saying it and he made it like a caricature
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thing of of his
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he went over the top with it.
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But Steve Jobs, that was yeah, that was my memory.
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When I wrote my piece after Steve died, one of the things I I
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I said I would miss is I really liked settling in an Apple event
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and all that all the tension and all the anticipation and all of that.
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And then before you heard before you saw him, you heard him.
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Cause as he was walking on stage, Steve would always be like, Good morning.
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Uh and then yes, it became a good morning, Tim Cook kind of thing.
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But like it's fine.
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It's it's there are other references in here that that he made instead.
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Oh yeah, we'll get to that in a minute.
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If you like to uh open the show with a snow talk of your
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own, if you don't have access to the show document like me, you can
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go to upgradefeedback.com and send in your Snelltalk question for a future episode.
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Uh let's start out by uh assessing the result of the draft.
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So last week we played our game, which we play before every keynote, uh
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where we take a look uh uh at the what we think might happen.
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We make our predictions.
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Should we run through this real quick?
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Yeah, let's run through it.
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So my picks.
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IPhones powered by t new two nanometer chip, yes.
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iPhone fold i uh folding iPhone supports split view, yes.
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I said the words.
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iPhone folding iPhone uses touch ID button only.
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We will talk about all of this in more detail.
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Apple will make specific boast about on device AI performance on A twenty.
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That was kind of a no brainer.
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But like, oh, it's great for AI.
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It's got two neural engines.
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Like Johnny would not stop talking about it.
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Like everyone was talking about it.
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It's like I don't think that many people are doing on device AI with
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uh third party L L Ms on their iPhones.
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But if they want to, they can.
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It's gonna it's gonna yeah, you g you're gonna be anyway uh I Apple
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doesn't mention anything about base model iPhone eighteens not being announced.
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It's like what what are you even talking about?
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New satellite connectivity features on iPhone.
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There were no new
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So I missed that one.
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This is never gonna happen.
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No new features.
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Uh folding iPhone comes in monochrome colors, white, silver, black, gray.
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I'm gonna give me this because what is the color of the night sky?
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It's not for black.
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It's it's like space gray.
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But darker is night sky.
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I'm happy with with this.
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I mean if I really wanted to argue, it's kind of bluey.
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But it's kinda, but not a night sky.
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I mean that could have been a it looks like midnight, I think, from
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the product image.
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It's night sky is
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what color is space but black.
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I'll give it.
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Um it's not gray, I'll pro model I took the two hundred price price
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increase over the uh previous generation, it was not.
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It was one hundred.
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Um so in our iPhone category, I have us I have me down as
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um six six out of the case.
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Should we run through my iPhone category in the case?
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Yes, please.
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One One iPhone color contains the word blue.
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No, it contains the color blue but not the word.
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Apple brands the folding iPhone display.
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They it had a brand but not a unique one.
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Not a new brand, no.
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Couldn't it not a special brand.
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It's not a folding whatever.
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It's just a regular old whatever.
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Apple introduces new features for apps running on the folding iPhone's internal display.
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Oh boy didn't.
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Oh wow, okay.
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Oh boy did they uh uh real quick by the way, we're gonna pause
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here uh as is tradition now, underscore David Smith is over in the corner
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currently downloading uh the the GM of iOS twenty seven.
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Underscore was him next to me.
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And when they're starting to show all the UIs changes, he's like, Oh my
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Because d developers, I mean I'm sure developers are happy they've got a month
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because the simulator is needed now because the the tw the tab bars and
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the toolbars are in completely different places.
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It's unbelievable.
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It's wild stuff.
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Uh Apple makes specific claim about that how there's essentially no crease on the
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folding phone.
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They talked about a crease at least.
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One new photo related OS feature is added.
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Uh claim of improved iPhone battery life.
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Folding iPhone is the thinnest Apple device ever.
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It isn't it's the thinnest iPhone, but it missed out by point one millimeter
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on the iPad Pro.
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And the iPhone Pro models, I said they would uh start between a hundred
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and a hundred and ninety nine, and it's a hundred more.
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Okay, so by that gives us uh six to you and five to me.
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For the iPhone.
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Brings us to the other picks.
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Uh Apple Watch series twelve, I said it had a ceramic option.
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I I'm so happy for you.
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It has a new chip, it does.
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And the Ultra Four was announced.
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I uh however, the new home pods and the home pad product, uh it's
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gonna be a different event for home products.
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This was not the day.
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Not the day.
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Um and so I got three out of five there.
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How'd you do?
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Uh John Turnus has a major role in unveiling at least one product.
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And he had a role in all of them, which was interesting.
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They did the thing that I think we spoke about this.
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They're like passing backwards and forwards, like much more.
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Um and he was much more like uh vocal.
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Uh previously unseen watch faces, there were a couple, uh, no home pad device.
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Uh the Apple Watch did have enhanced Siri AI support and Watch Series twelve
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adds a new workout feature.
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We went backwards and forwards on this one, but this is one of those
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scenarios where it doesn't matter because either Jason wins nine eight or it's nine
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nine and he wins the tie.
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So congratulations, Jason.
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Super close.
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I retain the tie looking.
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They're always close.
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And they're not I don't think they're always close.
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I had some real real clangers back in the day.
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Yeah, we've we've we had a lot of tiebreakers and stuff like that.
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I i yeah, I think it's not a new workout feature 'cause that the
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feature you're thinking of isn't a workout.
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It's it's a different feature that will tell you my it that's the I
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like to call it the my Apple Watch told me that I couldn't work
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today, so I'm not gonna w come into work today, boss, kind of feature.
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You're like you're not ready for it.
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Just stay home.
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I see I see your argument.
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But I can also argue that the iPhone is blue.
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But nevertheless, we're not going to Nevertheless, it doesn't matter.
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It's at worst a tie and at best a win for Jesus.
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And it was a short a short uh video.
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So yeah, I get the under.
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The under wins.
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That is what happens when there is a whole product category that we thought
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would exist and didn't exist uh in this event, which is the case.
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I mean it was way under the that's true.
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That's true.
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And uh we also uh oh we're gonna talk in upgrade plus about the
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Saint Jude challenge that we did a game called the Saint Jude Challenge.
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We do this with the iPhone events.
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Uh and speaking of Jason, what a what an incredible segue.
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Uh I want to take a quick moment uh to let everybody know that
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we are raising uh funds and we're we're fundraising as we always do for
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Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital during September because it is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.
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So we're asking our community to come together to support the life saving work
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of Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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I want to talk a little bit about why we do this and what
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some of the the some of the money that that you everyone's raising, what
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it is going towards.
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So Saint Jude recently established a partnership to increase worldwide access to pediatric radiotherapy.
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So while Saint Jude is based in Memphis, Tennessee, which is where uh Stephen
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Hackett lives and you know, Stephen's family has has has seen the effects uh
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of the treatment at Saint Jude, they are focused on helping cancer uh childhood
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cancer survival worldwide.
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Jude is going to be investing four point five million dollars over three years
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to help the International Atomic Energy Agency expand access to pediatric radiotherapy in low
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and middle income countries, also known as LMICs.
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A key contributor to lower survival rates in LMICs is limited access to clinical
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Without such access, children face delays or errors in diagnosis.
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This partnership will focus on creating materials to train specialists, radiation oncologists, radiotherapy technicians,
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and medical physicists to improve this diagnostic gap.
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This effort highlights St.
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Jude's commitment to ensuring children everywhere have access to diagnostics and treatment.
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This is just one of I mean Saint Jude is so close to our
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hearts, but I love the more that I've learned about this incredible institution and
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how far and wide um their work reaches, the more and more proud I
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am to say that we have raised I mean, we are actually getting incredibly
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close right now to a lifetime fundraising um total of five million dollars that
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we have raised since 2019.
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I am so proud every year of just how engaged our community is.
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Um it it really means the world to all of us.
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Uh I'm so thankful for it.
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Um and I want everybody to go and find out more and they can
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donate today.
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Please go to Saintju.org slash relay.
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There's a few things you can do.
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You can find out more about give uh some uh incentives that you can
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unlock for giving your own uh donations.
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So there's some some rewards that are available to you.
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Um there's also information about how you can create a fundraiser of your own.
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Uh by signing up and registering to fundraise, you can uh donate through your
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own fundraiser, you can also encourage your friends your family, your co workers to
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designate too.
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This can spread your the impact that you're able to have for the kids
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And there are some really wonderful incentives uh this year that which you should
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also go and see.
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All of the information, including information about um employer matching.
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So your employer may match your donation and it can double your donation and
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so much more.
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It's all available at Saint Jude.org slash relay.
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Please go there, donate, find out more and start a fundraiser today because more
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cures, more hopes means more tomorrow's.
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Saintgew.org slash relay.
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Before we start talking about some products, Jason, I want to get some kind
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of like top level reactions from you.
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So this is John Tannis's first keynote as CEO of Apple.
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How do you think he did?
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I think he did fine.
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I mean, it's all pre recorded, so if he didn't do fine, they didn't
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He He is I think he is present.
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So the first thing he does after he says hello and how grateful he
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And that is a CEO job, right?
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That is the that is the CEO job to say, why do we think
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the iPhone is so important?
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In doing so, by the way, he made I I I I feel like
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it must be intentional by everybody's part.
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It has to be intentional.
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The the he is recasting a classic Steve Jobs
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approach to Apple's product philosophy, which is the intelligent personal hub, which is uh
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hearkening back to the digital hub strategy that Steve Jobs talked about, you know,
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25, 26 years ago.
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Um, I've been thinking about that a lot because we are doing, of course,
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our other podcast, Design in California.
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Um, we are currently releasing episodes about the 1990s, uh uh OS transition, but
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our series after that is about the iPod.
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the iPod, including, of course, um, Steve Jobs and the digital hub strategy, because
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that's the whole idea that you at you your uh your Mac is at
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So you you you shoot video, you take pictures and you bring them into
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your Mac and your Mac is at the center of your life.
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Obviously, that was a very, you know, year 2000 kind of thing.
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But um that hub strategy and using that word to talk about it this
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intelligent personal hub that is what would be the perfect one is the way
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John Turnus casts it.
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And he lists a bunch of attributes.
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And, you know, it's it it it's I liked it because I try to
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make this a a very similar argument, which is why I think the smartphone
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isn't going anywhere, even in an AI era.
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It's all of these reasons.
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a to the internet at high speed.
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It's got a powerful processor.
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It's got a nice screen because we do like looking at things on the
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Um, it's got uh cameras and speakers and microphones, you know, and and that
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you it since it's gonna be in your pocket, it needs to last all
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And that's what he th th lays out for even in a a world
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of AI and uh all sorts of accessories that you want your smartphone at
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the center of it.
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And of course he says 'cause he's the CEO of Apple, of course the
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i iPhone is the best of those.
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But like it's hard not to get away from thinking those of us who've
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been around watching it for a while thinking that this is a nod to
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Steve Jobs and the digital hub strategy for for the twenty twenties.
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Yeah, 'cause you know, in the early two thousands it was about you have
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all these other physical devices for different capabilities in your life.
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You need one place to be able to manage and use the information and
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have that at the center.
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And the it the twenty twenties version of this is you have digital assets
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that are spread all over the web in different clouds, et cetera, et cetera.
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And you need one device to manage them.
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And this is absolutely them coming out strong to be like, all these AI
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devices you're hearing about, don't worry about it.
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We make the best device for everything.
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It's the iPhone.
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What are you mad?
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Why would you consider anything else?
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You know, you also mentioned like the he also said intersection.
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The intersection of like capability and context, which I also believe is going back
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to the intersection of creative is it the cre creative liberal arts and technology?
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That was the You got there.
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I got there.
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I mean look.
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Creative is a couple blocks down.
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It's yeah, you know.
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There's been lots of memes on this over the years, so it's hard to
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But like I like you, I absolutely believe I mean and it's bookended, right?
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So he says he has personal hub and the intersection at the start, and
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he has one more thing at the end.
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Like If if you want any more hints as to the way they are
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trying to to paint John Turnus, you don't need him.
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Like they want you to think this guy's product guy.
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And I think, you know, we're obviously gonna talk about the IF and Joe
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in a minute, but like the way the iPhone duo was presented as an
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like they are presenting it as a series of technological and product breakthroughs.
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That is how they are presenting this.
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They're doing this on purpose.
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They want you to know who he is.
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And like you know this is the all the stuff that we've been talking
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about leading up to this point.
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They chose this moment carefully of when John Turnus would be stepping into the
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shoes and I think that this keynote it includes actually lots of big product
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And I think that's clear.
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This is not an accident.
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This is not an accident.
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This is this is part of the transition plan.
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Is to have these products ready in this moment for John Turnus to introduce.
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It's all part of the same story.
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Did you have any more thoughts about the presentation or the order of things?
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Like I I was struck by how light everything was by and large.
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Like they will usually we spend quite a lot of time in darkness
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You know, Jaws was at in LA at sunset, and so he got into
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the darkness, but most because we likes the darkness, I guess.
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Uh but mostly not.
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Um, I think you uh like the advantage of having something like the iPhone.
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Duo in your presentation is it gives you the power to put the iPhone
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Pro at the start, which is great, right?
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To kick it off with your most important product, to be able to just
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like first thing out the gate.
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We're gonna talk first off, the entire context put down by John Turnus is
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this is about the iPhone.
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Which really says a lot, but it's not wrong.
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It's like, well, AirPods attached to your iPhone.
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Apple Watch works with your iPhone.
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It you know, and is sending health data to your iPhone.
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So it's all in the context of the iPhone, but to go out with
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the iPhone Pro as your initial uh product is a coming at it from
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a position of strength.
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So I I appreciated that.
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And you can do that when you've got one more thing at the end,
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which is a an entirely new iPhone, the likes of which we haven't sefore.
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So I think that that was um the ordering uh made sense.
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If you've got those in your pocket, you could do it that way.
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The other, uh only other kind of production point I wanted to say is
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okay, so in the pandemic they switched from doing live events to doing these
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video events.
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And they've evolved over time and they've tried a whole bunch of different formats.
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I think they've learned what they like, what they don't like.
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And this time,
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I I think they I think there was a note somebody m had about
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how Apple event videos felt
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um and almost lonely
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because so often it would be a person in a setting all by themselves.
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It's Johnny Shroogee alone in the lab.
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It's the a it's Jeff Williams standing on a promontory on the Pa Pacific
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coast somewhere, talking about the Apple Watch, all alone on a boulder or something,
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But not this.
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Th this is and and then they they actually hung a lantern on it,
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uh, to use a uh showbiz phrase, when they went to the back lot,
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the studio back lot.
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Um but even before they get there, everywhere at Apple Park where people are
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presenting and elsewhere there are people in the background.
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Apple Park is not empty except for the presenter, which I understand if you're
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doing a secret Apple product video, um e having extras in the background is
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not something you want to do when you get started, but they've been doing
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it a long enough now that I think tonally they're like, No, I want
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people in the background working while I talk.
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I I want it to feel lived in, like we're all hard at work
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And then that extended to the other scenes where there would be, even if
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you're in a cafe even if you're outside, there's like uh most of them,
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not all of them, but most of them, there were people around.
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It was a populated scene.
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I think that was an interesting style choice for them.
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And then my favorite bit is when they go to the studio back lot
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that's when they got wacky, but they got wacky in a really, I mean,
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I wouldn't say subtle, but if you're focused on the content, you're you're not
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even gonna pay too much attention to it.
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But like they're they're giving the presentations and it was multiple people, it was
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Kayen, Drance, and some other people um at the studio back lot.
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Astronaut people in astronaut costumes go by on a golf cart.
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And then you see a guy dressed like a Roman soldier, and then and
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then later there's like a a squad of Roman soldiers who walk past in
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the background, along with somebody who looks like a European kind of like seventeenth
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century European dandy type figure.
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Um all of that's going on in the background.
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Then there's the um conversation that's happening in the rain where the presenter has
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got an umbrella and then she steps forward and hands the umbrella to somebody
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because it's a fake rainstorm with a camera there and there's a scene of
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people in trench coats having a conversation in the rain.
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And so it's it's all on the studio back lot, right?
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But like at the same time, that is not content, it's color, but what
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they're trying to do is say, This this presentation is happening in a world
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that that has action happening around it.
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And that was clearly like a watch word for them.
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And I I appreciate that they made the effort and I like it.
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Um the yes, the studio backlog was a little bit silly, but I immediately
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noticed like, oh, there's people working at Apple Park.
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And that's better.
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It's better to have people at Apple Park in the background.
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It's sending a message, but also it just makes it more.
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I mean, let's be honest.
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Sometimes you gotta wonder, is this how Johnny Shrugi lives?
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Is he in a basement chip lab that's mostly dark and completely empty except
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It's so a t tragic existence for Johnny Srooge.
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Hey, look, you don't you don't get to be chief hardware officer for for
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nothing, you know?
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Sometimes you gotta make the sacrifice.
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Well, if he's down there, other people should be down there working too, right?
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So that's what they did.
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So that's my other show biz note is just that they they made an
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Let's start out the name Great.
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Love the name.
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Uh I didn't like Fold.
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You know I didn't want Ultra.
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It makes perfect sense.
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It's a great name.
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It was I'm just gonna do very minor victory lap here.
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This is the name that I picked when we were picking in upgrade plus
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Because I s I said Spoilers.
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Let's let's say iPhone Duo.
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I'm just saying.
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I picked it.
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So I like it.
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I think it's a better new.
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I didn't like Ultra.
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I I I I didn't like fold.
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Um I like the idea it's got two screens.
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I like the idea that the internal screen is sort of two of the
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outside screen, if you want to think of it that way, that you can
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run two apps in it.
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Like it's got a lot of that, plus it's got the history.
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They used to make a laptop called the PowerBook Duo back in the day.
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And this is a little like that plucking uh a word from Apple history
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and then uh re-spinning it for the modern age.
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I yeah, I I I like it as a name.
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I think it's a good, good, good, good, good.
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And it leaves Ultra in reserve for a a true Ultra iPhone
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I don't even really know where to start with this.
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I guess maybe we should just start by talking about the hardware, like how
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how it looks and and how it how it seems to function.
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I mean we've seen versions of this phone in 3D prints, we've seen renders,
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we've seen all kinds of stuff uh over time.
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But I think it's one of these things where, you know, when you see
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it in its full glory, you see people unfolding it, using it, you see
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the the you know, the people using it in in staged environments you see
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people using it in labs, etc.
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It looks beautiful, right?
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Like it i I I think that it is a very good looking phone.
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It is an odd phone, you know, like the the outside screen
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the the the the the corner radiuses are c are different, one side to
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the other, right?
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Like there is some peculiarity to it.
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Yeah, they they specifically, in fact, reference the shape of a passport.
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Which I think is interesting, because that that is about right.
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The they specifically reference the feel of an iPad on the inside, even though
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a slightly it's not a four by three.
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It's like a four point two by three.
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It's it's it's close to uh and and not every iPad is is four
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by three, but the original was.
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Like it it is a little bit wider than a four by three.
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But um But not a lot, and it's got that vibe.
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I I think one of the things that's gonna be interesting and and I
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think is gonna take some getting used to is it does look a little
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odd, not just in that it is a very different shape for an iPhone
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when it's closed, but because of the hinge when it's closed, and they they
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leaned into it, they said it's asymmetric, uh, which is for them is a
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But in the pre design presentation where Molly, the designer, was talking about it,
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it's asymmetric in that when it's open, it's an Apple product that you'd expect
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with curved edges.
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When it's closed, two of the edges, the non-binding edge, non-hinge edge, are curved.
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But the internal ones are not.
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They're straight.
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They're right angles because.
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It's a hinge and that's how hinges work and you need it to be
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there when you open it up.
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They you know, that's so it it's gonna feel it looks really different, it
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feels really different.
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I mean, people get can get used to all sorts of things, but like
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it's it's fascinating that it it you can see here uh simultaneously Apple is
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being driven out of its comfort zone by some of the facts of a
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folding phone.
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But at the same time, also Apple, you can see where Apple took its
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stance and said though this is what we're gonna do that we're not gonna
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compromise on and they and they you know you you get to see that.
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You now I've never used a folding phone for any length of time and
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So I don't know if you've got any thoughts just about the this category
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and how this thing kind of fits into it.
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Yeah, I mean I think I'll say like the the idea of the the
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outward screen.
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I've used devices that do both things.
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I've used devices that do what Apple is doing, where you curve one end
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and do like a sharp corner on the other.
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I've used devices where they just curve all corners and you just end up
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with like a weird bezel on one side.
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There's like a little bump.
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It's a decision that you can make.
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I and they have made this decision.
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I think by and large it's best to have the most screen you can
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have, even if it's not that much more.
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But and I think we're you know, they they've obviously made some changes to
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iOS which seem to make the the kind of the side where the the
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the rounded uh edge is is is kind of like less information and more
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access for things.
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I wonder if there's a left-handed mode for this font.
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So so we will see, and I'm sure somebody's asking of course we're we're
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doing this right after, but they made a point of saying in the video
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that it's usable in all orientations.
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And I read that to be as somebody who is right-handed but holds my
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phone in my left hand,
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putting all of the controls on the far right side as they've done with
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the software it doesn't work for me.
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But I kind of assume that if I flip the phone over,
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it will all flip over and the sidebar would be on the other side.
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Because you would unfold it and then you'd have to flip it back over
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Which is not terrible but like it's a an odd um it would be
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an odd well way to use it.
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If it's all orientations, then you would open it that way.
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You would just open it.
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From the other direction and it would be in that orientation, right?
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I mean I think that's the idea here.
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If you had it turned around, so the phone is upside down, right?
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So that the then the controls are on the left side.
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When you open it, you're looking at the back of the phone.
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You'd then have to turn it back around again.
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At no you bring you bring the you bring the front part forward, no
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matter what.
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Yeah, you're opening a book backwards.
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Yeah, I know yeah, yeah, and I you're yeah, and that's it.
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You're opening it.
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I think what they imply is that it doesn't matter.
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Now my brain has come around to to to to accurate physics, uh I
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agree with you.
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And that would be nice actually.
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And it and like an iPad, right?
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iPads they they respect all orientations and they're Exactly and the iPhone has been
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very much not that kind of a device where it's sort of like it's
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either up or it's on its side and that's about it.
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And with the iPhone Duo, a name that we have to lodge in our
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brands now, they're saying free rotation.
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Like do you know it it and and we should say the implications of
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this are greater than just what we assume is if you want to hold
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it this direction or that direction, it'll work.
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It's also they showed it when it's open, you can obviously do it in
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any orientation.
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And then there are more orientations than just that because there is there there
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is um laying it down like a tent so it's got standby on the
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front or laying it down on its narrow side slightly open so it's got
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two slightly open internal display faces showing.
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Which you can also use standby on that.
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Like on the inside.
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Or laying it flat like a laptop also works.
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So there's lots of different like they they showed that in the little tent
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configuration, not only does it show you your standby widgets on the front, but
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it'll do like a little glow effect on the inside screen so you get
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this kind of like glow in the background.
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While we're talking about this, how sick is that opening animation?
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Where it looks like you're looking through the phone
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to the other phone.
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Gasped when they opened that phone.
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That's the most Apple thing that you could possibly imagine.
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And and I'm reminded that the the code spelunkers were saying how, you know,
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it's measuring specific degree of angle of the hinge.
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And this is why, right?
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It's because Apple wants to know exactly so that it can have this illusion
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that as you open the phone or close the phone, there's this illusion of
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continuity between the the internal and external display.
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It's it is like you know, I other phone manufacturers have done some kind
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of like animated wallpaper, right?
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Where like when you open it, you know, like a butterfly on the front
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and you open it and then inside the butterfly's flapping its wings or whatever.
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This is like Ye like years ahead, right?
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Like and this is just because this is the stuff Apple really super cares
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Like this is the stuff that they are very, very focused on.
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They're gonna sweat.
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And the decent thing is they have absolutely done done the job.
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Well yeah, anytime you do a product like this, you you could probably write
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up on a whiteboard like eighty things that are gonna have to be decided
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about how this is gonna work.
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Because the ramifications of having two surfaces and like what happens when you go
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from surface one to surface two.
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And they had to deal with it.
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This is It it's actually kind of funny.
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Um, when you think about it, like this is a major set of features
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for iOS twenty-seven, right?
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Like it's actually kind of huge because they have to implement things that have
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just not been implemented on iOS.
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And some of the things they can pick up from the iPad, but there's
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a lot of stuff that's just there is no precedent for this stuff and
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they just gotta figure it out.
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And it and again, not ideally not punt on it, but say,
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Okay, let's make it really good.
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How do we do that?
00:36:33
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What's a what's a good like cause you could totally open it up and
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then like the the then the screen pops up as I d you know
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from the front.
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And you're like, okay, that one went off and this one went on.
00:36:44
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And they're like, you know, not they're not gonna do that.
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They're gonna drive both display displays and they're gonna have them work together and
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the both displays will run.
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The other thing is both displays will run at different times.
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So they're like you could do selfies, which allowed them to create like a
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selfie mode.
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Um you could do like FaceTimes where you can have both cameras inside and
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outside going of both screens inside and outside going.
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Or the kit kid mode when you're asking a kid.
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I pulled it.
00:37:07
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I'm so happy they stole it.
00:37:08
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They like got Snoopy animeing on the front screen.
00:37:10
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It's like oh so happy that they added that.
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So so that that is there's a lot of ramifications once you've got two
00:37:17
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displays and sensors on uh the inside and the outside or either side of
00:37:22
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a of an open phone and like there's just a it's wild.
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There's a lot going on here.
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This is the thing, like there is there's no world in which we will
00:37:29
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touch on all of these things today.
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I mean, especially because m w we won't really be able to until we've
00:37:35
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used one, which is unfortunately quite a way away.
00:37:37
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But I'm just so happy about how hard they have gone with iOS
00:37:43
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to make iOS really work with the hardware, right?
00:37:49
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That you've got just new stuff going on.
00:37:51
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There was an easy way to do this and there was a complicated way
00:37:55
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And I think they have taken the complicated path where it's saying there are
00:38:00
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so many components here that you've seen maybe in different places with the iPhone.
00:38:04
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So things like standby and stuff like that.
00:38:07
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But we're we're just giving you a bunch of things that you can try
00:38:12
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Like an and and I'm very, very excited to be able to
00:38:18
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experience this, right?
00:38:20
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Like even the split screen, right?
00:38:21
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So you can do a split screen, you could do one half of each
00:38:26
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I think you could do a bit of it free resizing, but it will
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it can do some snapping as well.
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You can pair apps together, which is a thing we never have gotten on
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There is also like a portrait split screen where it takes up different um
00:38:40
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sizes of the 'cause people are gonna say I think you could actually there
00:38:44
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was a period where you could pair your apps together and in in the
00:38:47
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old multitasking.
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It was like a late stage iPad multitasking thing where you could pair apps
00:38:52
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You could make like a permanent pair?
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I have a vague memory of that.
00:38:59
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I I think I think the larger issue here too for iOS is Um
00:39:05
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this is a bespoke implementation for the iPhone Duo, but make no mistake, a
00:39:12
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bunch of these features will end up in iOS 28.
00:39:17
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Like I I some of this stuff is a real trial where they'll be
00:39:21
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like, Oh, this is a better UI element.
00:39:23
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We should just put this in twenty
00:39:26
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the the little combined status bar thing.
00:39:30
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That's a new I mean that feels that the moment I saw it, I
00:39:33
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thought that feels like something that's not gonna just live on this phone forever.
00:39:36
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Right the the the the tap to reveal status bar thing.
00:39:39
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It just doesn't Yeah, for sure.
00:39:42
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And some of the other the widgets and the customizability and all that, it
00:39:45
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feels like a lot of that stuff is is, you know, they build it
00:39:48
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for this and then they're like, well, this is great.
00:39:49
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Why would we not use this on all our iPhones?
00:39:51
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And then they build it for everything else too.
00:39:53
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Camera story is kind of what we expected.
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You know, you've got the two cameras on the outside the the fusion main
00:40:00
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camera, which has the two times telephoto, the ultra-wide, twelve twelve uh megapixel center
00:40:06
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stage front camera, but then I think the unexpected part, an underscreen FaceTime camera
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on the inside.
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It so it looks like and they didn't shy away from it, it sure
00:40:20
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looks like you can see it.
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So it it it it's still there, but it's not a punch out.
00:40:24
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There are some pixels there, but you can still tell that that's the camera
00:40:27
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area, but it doesn't wipe it out.
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And then when it's taking a picture, those pixels go off and then you've
00:40:33
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got a camera space there and it looks like a camera cut out.
00:40:37
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But it is the first time that they've tried to do something like this.
00:40:39
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Because it's interesting.
00:40:40
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Some some of uh Apple's competitors here went down this road and then backed
00:40:45
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And so it seemed like the age of the underscreen camera was dead.
00:40:49
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Um but I'm very intrigued that they are doing this.
00:40:53
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Uh I I find it interesting that they are just calling it under display
00:40:58
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FaceTime camera, which tells me it's not a great camera, but for a FaceTime
00:41:03
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Totally fine, right?
00:41:06
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It's like, yeah what do you want?
00:41:07
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This is the best we could do here.
00:41:09
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And then they added a bunch of um, you know, we mentioned it or
00:41:12
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a couple of these things already, but like even uh smart take where you
00:41:16
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can, you know, everybody poses and and it will take the image uh for
00:41:19
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That kind of thing.
00:41:20
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They've added a bunch of stuff.
00:41:22
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Implications of once you've got a phone that can stand itself at an angle
00:41:25
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and you can see it and all of those things, you've got to do
00:41:28
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something like this.
00:41:32
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the hardware you know, they s they focused a lot on this.
00:41:35
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This is one of the I think the I think the rarer times where
00:41:39
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Apple talks about a bunch of things which you could say would be wrong
00:41:45
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with a product like this in a way to try and talk about why
00:41:48
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theirs is good, right?
00:41:50
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They spoke about distracting creases.
00:41:52
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They spent a lot of time focusing on durability because it is expected that
00:41:56
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these devices are less durable.
00:41:58
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Um there there was a lot of focus on that you know, talking about
00:42:02
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how the uh how the whole frame is reinforced and different areas are reinforced
00:42:07
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in the frame.
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Eight layers that slide separately and we then we th we we three D
00:42:13
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print a custom layer based on a scan of the actual device as it's
00:42:19
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being built.
00:42:20
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That detail to me was fascinating.
00:42:21
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So there is a I don't remember which phone this was.
00:42:24
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I think it was an Oppo phone that did this.
00:42:26
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They they had a phone maybe last year that did this.
00:42:29
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And when I heard about that technology, I was like, that feels like a
00:42:33
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very Apple y thing to do.
00:42:34
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And and it was one of these things where I wondered if I was
00:42:37
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reading um uh Apple in China at the time and I was wondering is
00:42:41
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this one of these technologies that Apple's been working on and then somebody else
00:42:44
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also started using it because now it exists?
00:42:46
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I mean it could be might not be the case.
00:42:49
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But it felt to me very much like a thing Apple would do.
00:42:52
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They used to do a few things, right?
00:42:53
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They use AI models to match hinges and housings that fit they think will
00:42:57
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fit best together.
00:42:58
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And then there's a bunch of 3D component printing that is going on to
00:43:03
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make sure everything fits as well as possible to eliminate a crease as much
00:43:08
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as they can.
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I mean, this is what you want to hear in a device like this,
00:43:12
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as well as like I think the the you know they they they they
00:43:16
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talk about the durability of the screens and then the confidence of this thing's
00:43:20
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gonna have Apple Pencil inside and outside.
00:43:22
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It's like all right.
00:43:24
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This is um there's a there's a level of this that is what took
00:43:27
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you so long because these folding phones have been out for a while.
00:43:29
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And so what they're doing is they're not just boasting about their their technological
00:43:33
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prowess, but they're also answering the question, What took them so long?
00:43:36
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And and the you know, the in the end, it allows them to m
00:43:39
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send the message which is, Well, there really couldn't have been a folding iPhone
00:43:43
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before now because our standards are so high.
00:43:45
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And you know, that's a I get it, that's a marketing mess.
00:43:47
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But there's also truth to that.
00:43:49
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Like in in in reality, why is this a year that the folding phone
00:43:53
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is happening?
00:43:54
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Why is the why is the iPhone Duo coming out next month?
00:43:57
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And the answer is they got to the point where they felt they could
00:44:00
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ship a product in at least some volume how much volume TBD, but at
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least some volume
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that they felt was up to their standards.
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And that includes coming up with all of these
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new techniques new to Apple, certainly, in order to get the manufacturing to get
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to the point where it reaches that that quality.
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Oh, and it's nanotexture finish.
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Oh, you kidding me?
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M that's that's gonna look so good.
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Like for for reading and stuff, like it's gonna be I think that that
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this inside screen is gonna be really, really nice.
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Oh, it does have a dynamic island still on the inside screen, which is
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Like it will pop up when it's needed, but then otherwise they'll just be
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be not mean nothing there, I guess, which is uh I still find that
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You mentioned Apple Pencil.
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I wanna I mean we've been talking for a long time about w would
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they p take Apple Pencil and put it on a big iPhone or something
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And and they held it for this, but the USB C Apple Pencil so
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the one that doesn't do the magnetic charging because there's nowhere to do that
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on this device, that will work.
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It's very funny, right?
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It's like later this year with a software update, it will work, which is
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like it's just not they're not promising that it'll work out of the box,
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but that they will enable it.
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And um that's great because that uh it's another way that this becomes uh
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if not an iPad, it picks up more of Apple's advantages for having built
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the iPad in a device like that.
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It's another selling point for this device where someone may want what is comparison
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shopping and they're like, Oh, I could take notes on this.
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Like it's just like another thing where it's someone's gonna be like, Oh yeah.
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Flip it vertically, get out your pencil and um and start writing.
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I mean the way
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touch ID and watch unlock.
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They put those together.
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You can also if you have an Apple watch you just watch unlock.
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What is the most secure way to open this device?
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Like, there are other ways, Joss.
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Like we know of one of them.
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Like there's another way.
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Like I understand what you're trying to do, but don't try to sell it
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like a like it's like oh you can do multiple things.
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It's like, oh really can you do that with touch ID jaws?
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Oh man, I didn't know.
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Uh it is what it's gonna be.
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Look but there is mag safe charging, so like we didn't lose I didn't
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mention it, but there's
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not just even chi charging, it's MagSafe charging.
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So it's there.
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I I saw several people responded when I found that and said they probably
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didn't put in the video because it looks weird.
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It probably does.
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I just don't let's not talk about it.
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Let's not show it.
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But it's there.
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And also they wanted to boast this was the this all of the phones
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got this charging fast charging update.
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And they wanted to boast about how fast their charging is.
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So that's Um that's what they did.
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And they said this thing's got two batteries in it, obviously.
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Two batteries that work together.
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It will get all day battery, which I'm now saying 24 hours on a
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charge with a new battery benchmark model, which they're calling real usage model, which
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thank you, Apple, for doing our our friends our friends in the performance marketing
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group at Apple have been hard at work trying to come up with a
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test that kind of models how people actually use their devices.
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Which is good because playing a video for forty eight hours is not how
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people use their devices.
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So um the idea would be you to
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I mean it's how I d it's what I do all the time.
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I just turn on a live stream of that um of that like water
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hole in Africa where the hippos are.
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Well Jason, if you were live streaming it's only thirty seven hours rather than
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You're right, you're right, you're right.
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You know this as someone who does this, you know this.
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The so it is uh so they they seem to have built without any
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detail of course, but they'll they'll they'll disclose some details probably.
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A model that's based on uh essentially real world usage stats about how long
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a normal average day with an iPhone stresses when's the when's the screen often
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on, you know, how often is it used?
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How much is it hitting?
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Would you like me to be very boring and read to you from the
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the footnote about this test?
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Bore me man, bore me.
00:48:08
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The profile is based on the median usage values across iPhone users and reflects
00:48:13
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a combination of passive and active use and a variety of applications, including but
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not limited to messaging, photos, music social media, video streaming, games, web browsing, and
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That's what it says.
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Sounds yeah.
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Well, I mean, the purpose look, obviously Apple wants to impress you with their
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number, but they also want to impress you with their improvement over the previous
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So by creating this test, it allows them um so I guess they're not
00:48:41
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super motivated to make it uh entirely fake.
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Uh but at the same time.
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I'm sure everybody else, you know, i it's not gonna make them look bad.
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Let's just put it that way.
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But I'm I if they're gonna quote a number, I would rather have a
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number that is at least plausibly based on real world usage.
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So thank you, Apple, indeed, for that.
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But yeah, twenty four hours per charge when using both screens equally.
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Uh not not bad.
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Talking about hardware quirks and stuff.
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No action button.
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I guess no camera control.
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I haven't, but it there's no action button.
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I I would assume you know.
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Yeah it's funny we're not even talking about the buttons here.
00:49:19
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I also wanted to talk about the displays and how they're just, you know,
00:49:22
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not branded or anything.
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The Johnny Scrugie segment, I it has camera control.
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It has camera control but it's not a good thing.
00:49:29
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What are we doing?
00:49:30
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That's the wrong one.
00:49:30
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That's the wrong button.
00:49:32
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Um The Johnny Shroogee
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is now the chief hardware officer.
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And so he comes out in this video and the first thing he does
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is he talks about displays, which is amazing because he's the chip guy.
00:49:44
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And that's a moment where it's like, Yeah, not anymore.
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G hardware also.
00:49:49
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So he's gonna talk about that display that's new for him where he's talking
00:49:53
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about oh, our display and a nanotexter finish and all that.
00:49:56
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That's not a Johnny Sruoggy thing, except now it is a Johnny Shro Sruji
00:50:01
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So he did that.
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Yeah, that's a that's I didn't it didn't I'm very used to him giving
00:50:07
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me lots of very intense detail that I didn't think that it was not
00:50:11
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about chips.
00:50:12
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Some other notes.
00:50:14
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So it's ESIM only.
00:50:16
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It uses the C two.
00:50:17
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We have the new C two chip.
00:50:18
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This is this is second generation Apple modem chip.
00:50:21
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So this is e sim only worldwide, which I think the air was as
00:50:26
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well, right?
00:50:27
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So that was the Yeah, but not like for yeah, again, not the not
00:50:30
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the pro because there's some markets where they just can't do that.
00:50:32
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Uh millimeter wave support in the US?
00:50:35
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Which I think is a new for the C It is, yeah.
00:50:40
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and you know, they boast a little Johnny boasts a little bit about because
00:50:44
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it's all integrated together, there's all sorts of stuff we can do and we
00:50:46
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can make our connections better and all of those things.
00:50:48
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Yeah, analyze the connections and all that.
00:50:50
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But again, it's it's all in on the C two.
00:50:52
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It's like it's like there's a next generation Apple phone.
00:50:56
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Every next generation Apple phone just goes to the C two.
00:50:58
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It's the ones where you're like, there's markets where we really need to sell
00:51:01
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the iPhone Pro and they're they're going to be resistant to eSIM only.
00:51:05
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So for those markets, we'll make it available.
00:51:07
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Um and that I that is I assume from that that either the iPhone
00:51:11
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Pro, I mean, did they say, I mean, I assume it's just got a
00:51:15
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Qualcomm modem in it, or you know.
00:51:17
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Although there's a rumor that like some markets, maybe the ESIM only model is
00:51:23
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a C2 and the E S and the with SIM slot is a Qualcomm.
00:51:27
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I guess we'll have to find out when we get there.
00:51:29
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Um anyway, it's it's uh it's
00:51:32
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A very impressive piece of hardware and then in true Apple
00:51:39
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it is the story of the hardware and the software working together right.
00:51:42
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Craig Federigi appears in a phone launch because he needs to explain that they
00:51:47
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did a load of software things because once you have this kind of a
00:51:51
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device, you can't just punt the software.
00:51:54
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You have to build a bunch of bespoke software to go with the hardware
00:51:58
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for it to make sense.
00:51:59
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So like the split view um second window.
00:52:03
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They they use the example of having two Safari windows open.
00:52:06
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Yes, that's a very good, very good use case.
00:52:09
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Um, you know, easy ways to swap apps, tap the divider to lock those
00:52:13
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two apps together, which is really smart.
00:52:15
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Really smart.
00:52:16
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Um I just, yeah, a lot of like I can't wait.
00:52:19
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Oh, all the way.
00:52:20
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Also, um always useful to find out what apps get mentioned.
00:52:25
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I like that Flighty was a was a uh a live activity mention, but
00:52:30
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I wanna notice that um a lot of their m apps that they mention,
00:52:34
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like Zoom and Slack, I mean it's kinda like the iPad, but on an
00:52:40
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But But still it's good.
00:52:41
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It's it's companies that are working on adopting uh the new API.
00:52:45
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And also recognizing that this device is probably going to be used by a
00:52:49
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lot of people that want something to get their work done.
00:52:53
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Yeah, so Zoom and and then and Slack and and the detail m mention
00:52:58
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was fun, but I just again you noticed it, I'm sure.
00:53:02
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Prominent mention of Netflix.
00:53:06
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Yes, I did notice this.
00:53:08
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And also promoting a feature of Netflix that nobody uses.
00:53:12
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Nobody cares.
00:53:13
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Which is their shorts feature, which is extra fascinating because that is the benefit
00:53:19
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that Netflix get from this.
00:53:22
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And that was John that was uh what?
00:53:25
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John was that John Turnus?
00:53:28
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I think it was.
00:53:28
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Yeah, I think that was Turnus talking about.
00:53:30
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I don't know.
00:53:31
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I had a moment where I where I leaned forward a little bit, or
00:53:33
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maybe it was Craig, but like I leaned forward a little bit and thought
00:53:37
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to myself, hm.
00:53:39
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Like, I mean, Apple and Netflix are not a not like openly warring.
00:53:44
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They have their moments where they're the where they work together and the moments
00:53:48
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when they don't.
00:53:48
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But I I did I it just makes me wonder if maybe the the
00:53:53
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relationship with Netflix is thawing.
00:53:55
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I mean, I think it's probably been a really long time since they got
00:54:00
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mentioned in a keynote.
00:54:02
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Prominent mentions of Netflix.
00:54:04
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And they showed later they show a Netflix video playing, I think it's a
00:54:08
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Netflix video.
00:54:09
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Maybe, maybe it's Apple TV, with video controls on the bottom with it's when
00:54:12
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it's folded into that like laptop like configuration.
00:54:15
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Um anyway, so just they they they showed off the Netflix stuff that nobody
00:54:20
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uses, but they're doing a solid for Netflix there basically.
00:54:23
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So one thing that interesting I'd be intrigued in, and I didn't seen a
00:54:27
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lot on the website, and I don't remember it from the keynote, is like
00:54:31
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how the keyboard works.
00:54:32
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I know I saw like landscape all the way, landscape split, but I wonder
00:54:36
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if you can do like one side, you know, like I would like one
00:54:39
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sided swipe typing or whatever, you know, like I have on the iPad.
00:54:42
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But we'll find later on.
00:54:45
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But I don't know.
00:54:45
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'Cause I don't I would I don't wanna be typing two handed with this
00:54:49
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thing all the time, I don't think.
00:54:50
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Like it I don't I don't I don't do that on an iPad.
00:54:53
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Like I I do like swipe typing with the little floaty keyboard.
00:54:56
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I hope that they they have that in there.
00:54:58
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I mean, look, the iPhone Duo is such a huge product.
00:55:02
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We're gonna be talking about it for weeks.
00:55:04
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Uh oh the price, I guess it is.
00:55:06
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Yeah, I know.
00:55:07
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It doesn't come out.
00:55:08
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It's pre order on twenty third sixteenth, released on October twenty third.
00:55:12
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I personally am really happy about this because as a person who produces a
00:55:18
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weekly show about Apple News, splitting these releases by a significant period of time
00:55:24
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is great because we'll focus on the pro phones, then we will focus on
00:55:30
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Like I'm I'm I'm pleased about that, that we're not gonna have this clash,
00:55:34
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That we're gonna have to try and review all these phones in the same
00:55:37
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episode would just
00:55:39
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Yeah, but it is six weeks of waiting for all of us.
00:55:42
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And starting at nineteen ninety-nine, they did it.
00:55:45
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They got it under two grand.
00:55:48
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I saw Mark German broke this last night and um I saw a bit
00:55:52
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of analysis that suggested they're probably eating more on the margin than they wanted,
00:55:57
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but I think this is the this is the price that they wanted to
00:56:01
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sell this at.
00:56:02
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And I know I've uh a lot of other people are like, oh my
00:56:04
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God, a two thousand dollar phone.
00:56:05
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This is ridiculous.
00:56:06
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And like yeah.
00:56:07
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I mean, it was always gonna be a two thousand dollar phone.
00:56:09
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It was all it was always gonna be a two thousand dollar phone, I
00:56:12
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I think that it's still a two thousand dollar phone.
00:56:14
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I was asked this question earlier today.
00:56:16
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I did an interview right before we started.
00:56:18
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And you can say it was an MPR.
00:56:20
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You should say it's MPR.
00:56:21
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It's impressive.
00:56:22
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You say you were on MPR today.
00:56:23
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I I mean uh but I wasn't.
00:56:25
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Maybe they'll use some of my clips uh somewhere.
00:56:27
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And then and then it's very funny, by the way, when you're an MPR,
00:56:30
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people who only people come out of the woodwork are like, Oh, I heard
00:56:35
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And I'm like, Ah, that's one of my NPR listeners out there that that
00:56:38
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is just perked up when they heard my my voice.
00:56:41
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Anyway, he said, Is this an unexpected price?
00:56:44
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And my answer was,
00:56:46
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six months ago, no.
00:56:48
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Today, yes, because we all kind of expect everything is more expensive.
00:56:52
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And I think they really, really, really and I know it's psychological, but like
00:56:56
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having it not start at two thousand something.
00:57:00
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It yeah is important to Apple.
00:57:02
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They don't that number is a one at the beginning.
00:57:05
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Yeah the number starts with one.
00:57:07
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It's the last one that's available before you get to two, but it starts
00:57:11
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Of course, you can go to two terabytes and then pay more than three
00:57:15
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grand for it.
00:57:15
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But you know, still less than a Vision Pro though.
00:57:17
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You know Still less than a Vision Pro.
00:57:20
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But like a dollar or like maybe it's the same price actually.
00:57:24
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Um but hey Jason, let me tell you you can lease that two terabyte
00:57:27
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for just ninety-two dollars and eighty one cents a month for twenty four months.
00:57:31
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Aren't we surprised uh even a little bit about the fact that the the
00:57:36
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uh all of these phones were also mentioned as having lovely low, low lease
00:57:42
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And trade ins, trade ins, trade ins will get you into a trade in
00:57:46
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I I felt like uh being back on an analyst call because that's always
00:57:50
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what they say on the on the earnings calls is look,
00:57:54
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this is why we do we do trade-ins.
00:57:56
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We do we do financing because we want the the iPhones must flow.
00:58:01
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We will find ways to to reach people and make them affordable and their
00:58:05
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carrier deals, trade-ins, you know.
00:58:09
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And and uh now they've got the the m the lease option.
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It will be interesting to see as well what are the deals the carriers
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are gonna offer for this phone.
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'Cause it's very expensive.
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But they they're gonna wanna offer deals.
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I I don't think they're gonna be giving it away but they will wanna
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deals as well.
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So there there there are ways, but they have to emphasize it because it's
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Is a a price you can get to very easily over an eighteen pro
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Like it's true.
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You do not have to go very far up the ladder to get to
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We're not talking in like a a world where carriers will be like, That's
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too much for our blood.
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No, they are used to selling this, right?
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Like this is a this is a normal price for a phone now, but
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it's not a normal starting price for a phone.
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Um, but I I would expect Apple sells quite a lot of phones that
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cost two thousand dollars.
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Uh uh upgradians will know that ever since the iPhone ten c came out,
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part of the narrative that I've been telling is that
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Apple realized they could charge more for the iPhone and they've added more affordable
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iPhones, but they've also added more expensive iPhones.
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Remember, what we think of as the iPhone base, not the Pro, is kind
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of priced like the iPhone used to be.
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But then the iPhone 10 came out and it cost $1,000.
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It's like, oh.
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And the and that price has crept up.
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And what Apple has learned so far, as far as I can tell, as
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far as any of us can tell, is that for some people,
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we have not yet found the price that Apple could charge for a phone
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that people won't pay.
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And if you're Apple,
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optimally, if somebody, if some portion of your audience is willing to give $2,000
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for a phone,
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you you don't say, I'm sorry, $1,200 is as high as it goes.
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You say, uh, here you go, sir, Two thousand dollar phone, please give me
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that money now.
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And that, you know, this might be it.
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Although I really feel okay.
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I feel like a lot of the narrative is gonna be wow, this is
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an expensive phone.
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And how well is it gonna sell?
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And we know that it's two percent.
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Two percent of the global smartphone market is folding phones.
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It's way tinier than the percent market share of an uh iPhone Air or
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an iPhone mini.
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I think it will go up
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because of Apple and because even like Apple Shining on this category will sell
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more Android folding phones too.
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I mean this is the Apple effect.
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But I I think we need to
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not just look at the price because of that.
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This isn't just about them being expensive.
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It is about being them expensive, but not just.
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This is a weird phone.
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It's lacking that camera.
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It's a different shape.
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Uh how do you use it?
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Do you really want it?
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Uh you know, is it better to just buy an iPhone on an iPad
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mini or whatever?
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Like there's so many other arguments about it because it's not like an iPhone
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you've had before.
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And it's it's wider and it's thicker and it's all of these other things
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It's not going to be for everybody.
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Even if it was the same price as an iPhone Pro, it's not going
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to be for everybody.
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It's going to be a niche product.
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Now the question is, is it
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is this technology sort of the phone of the future?
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And I think in some ways it is, Because what we've learned over the
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years since the iPhone six and since before that when Samsung learned it, people
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like big screens.
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But big screens don't fit in your pocket.
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So ultimately you do need a folding phone so that you can have a
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big screen that fits in your pocket because you folded it.
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And so I do think that this is the future of a lot of
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phones, but not not yet.
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For now, it is cutting edge and interesting and has a use case, but
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it's very expensive and it's weird.
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And like I really firmly believe there are a lot of people who wouldn't
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buy this phone for any price because it's just not what they want.
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They want a a more traditional iPhone.
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It's gonna be too small and too big or both, right?
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Like it's a little bit more than a little bit.
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Too small, too big, too thick.
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All the wrong it's the anti um Goldilocks, right?
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It's just wrong in all measures for those people.
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I mean good news, Apple sells many other iPhones for you.
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But it will be interesting to watch who does gravitate toward this and how
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they feel about it.
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Um, but just to keep it keep that in mind that when we talk
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about the iPhone Air being a flop i in in iPhone terms, because it's
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got a small market, small percentage of Apple's iPhone market.
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Um, folding phones traditionally are way smaller than that, even.
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So what's gonna happen?
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I I I don't know.
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It's it's it's not gonna be I mean, get ready.
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They're gonna be a lot of oh they're not because they're gonna put it
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this way, they're not gonna sell that many of 'em.
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But they're gonna sell every one they make.
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And that's just the nature of this product.
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It's it's it's hard for them to make it.
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Their volumes are gonna be they're gonna struggle with volumes.
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some people are gonna want them, but how many?
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I mean like do you want it?
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I mean I know we'll we'll get it da da but do you see
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this phone and you're like I want this phone?
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It's because it's because I'm an iPad primary.
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And I like the idea that this might be able like I don't even
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sleep I I know so many people sleep with the iPhone next to them
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and I don't.
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I sleep with an iPad next to me.
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Because my iPad is what I am reading before I go to bed.
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Not my iPhone.
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My iPhone is parked on a charger in the kitchen.
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But I could could you know, could I I I'm gonna rephrase that as
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a question, could I use this as my iPad and my iPhone that's with
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me all the time?
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It's not the same as my iPad.
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I've got a big iPad Pro, but like, would it be fulfilling?
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And then also I can like put it on my nightstand as a little
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Um I I so I do want it, but the, you know, what I
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really wanna do is I want to, you know, see the reviews and hopefully
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try one out and write a review and find out because there are probably
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lots of gotchas.
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Like, oh, it doesn't really do this.
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And if this is what you want, you know, and it doesn't really compare
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to the iPad because this like there's gonna be a lot of those and
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we just don't know what they are yet.
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But I am super intrigued by it as somebody who uses the iPhone and
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And I think about traveling, like I just went, I was I was in
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Oregon over Labor Day weekend and you know I only brought the iPad.
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But I had that thought too of like, does this change if I use
01:04:36
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this, does this change my travel?
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Because I bring my iPad everywhere I go.
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Would I not?
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Would I just bring my phone and maybe my laptop if I have to
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do laptop work?
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Would that be enough to just bring my phone on a trip?
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Because it's basically an iPad at that point?
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I don't know maybe.
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I'm intrigued by that.
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Yeah, I I know I want this phone because I am fascinated by it.
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The and I'm ex so excited to use it.
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Like it it looks really exciting and fun and new.
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Like really new, like for if you're an iPhone user, right?
01:05:13
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I cannot tell if I want this phone as my daily phone.
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Like I I uh for me, I absolutely know I will only be able
01:05:23
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to make that decision after I use it.
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Because there are things that I would actively be giving up that I'm excited
01:05:30
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There's stuff that the profile gets this year, which we'll talk about in a
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minute, that I'm really excited for.
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But also like this phone is heavy.
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It's heavier than a Pro Max.
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And it's gonna feel weird in my hand.
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And it's like, uh, how am I gonna feel about the outside screen?
01:05:45
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We spent a lot of time talking about the inside screen, but the outside
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screen is gonna be the one you use most.
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What does that actually feel like to use?
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And so like, you know, this might be an incredible device, but do I
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want it in my pocket every day?
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No way of knowing.
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No way until we use it.
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We also have the Pro iPhones.
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So we had the iPhone 18 Pro and 18 Pro Mac.
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Uh the colors for these phones.
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Uh we have four.
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There are four.
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We have Burgundy, Glacier, Silver and Black.
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I don't remember the names of the silver and black, so I'm gonna say
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silver and black into our chest.
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Deep black, silly me.
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What shallow silver?
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it's a sh it's a shame.
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For me, it's a shame.
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I adore adore the orange, the cosmic orange.
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I do not like either the burgundy or the glacier.
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I don't like it.
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Uh for me this year, I think I'm gonna go to silver.
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I have a silver MacBook Air, love the silver MacBook Air.
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I think silver will be the color for me this year.
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Uh are you a burgundy boy?
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I wanna oh no.
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I wanna see Glacier.
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'Cause I like a blue.
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It might be nice.
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It looks like it's a visible blue that you you know, a blue you
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can see and not a blue where Apple tells you it's blue and you
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Um Also I've over the years had a lot of black phones, so uh
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Also funny, um
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it felt like Apple was kind of running away from black iPhones for a
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But they ran to it this year.
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They picked up all the black that they missed out last time and they've
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added it in.
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And it made it deeper.
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So um so Glacier I wanna see because I could see myself having a
01:09:36
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I like I like that.
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If it's a if it's a nice blue.
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Um with a name like Glacier I'm not sure it is.
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Um and then deep black would be my other preference.
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Burgundy, I mean I'd like to see it.
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I think it's interesting 'cause, you know, it's a
01:09:51
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that's an interesting shade, but again, I I uh mark my words, cosmic orange
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is gonna be like a comeback phone.
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Like they're gonna bring it back in a year or two on something and
01:10:01
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everybody's gonna go, Oh, it's back.
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It's an all timer, right?
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Like that that is a great color.
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Maybe they didn't know how popular it would be, right, when they when they
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they announced it uh initially.
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Sure seems like it's I think it was pretty popular.
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Um, but maybe I'm biased.
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Uh but yeah, I I dig the silver phone angle.
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And they got rid of the two tone.
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They they're they're color matching the two the aluminum and glass.
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Oh that's a bummer.
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I missed that.
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I don't like that.
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I like the two tone.
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They're going the other way.
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They're they're they're uh gonna match.
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That's a shame.
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Why you know, and I I know I was gonna say why have the
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I know there are many really good reasons and not just the colour as
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why they had the glass.
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But that for me is a shame 'cause I love the two tone look.
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Um but yeah, I'll be going I'll be going silver this year.
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But it's not all about the colours.
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Uh they spent a lot of time uh in the eighteen pro going over
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Siri AI again which makes sense.
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They showed some very simple third party integrations.
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They showed lots of apps that will be able to work.
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We just have to wait and see.
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And we're what next is it next week iOS twenty seven is out?
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I don't know, you tell me.
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Yeah, I can find the information out.
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I can think so.
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I it's I think it's next week.
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Um, but we'll I'll double check that.
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But yes, I and then I guess we'll start to see what is the
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third party situation with Siri AI.
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Like how does it actually work?
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But I did I enjoyed the demo that they did because I think it
01:11:31
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was very helpful to show
01:11:33
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many more practical things that it that Siri AI is capable of, um, than
01:11:40
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even what we saw at WWDC.
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I think it's needed here so people can understand what's coming.
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Um I I thought it was a pretty good demo of that.
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But um we didn't talk about the A twenty pro when we were talking
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about the iPhone Duo.
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Um but it's they got spent a little bit more time talking about it
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And we get a sense um for what the A twenty
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we got a sense what the A twenty would be based upon the M
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seven, right, that we learned about a couple of weeks ago.
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Um it is a six core CPU with two supercores and four efficiency cores.
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They say it is a desktop class supercore.
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Seven A seven core GPU, two neural engines, um, an increased memory bandwidth.
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It is the widest memory interface shipped on an iPhone, apparently.
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And then that silicone is pushed right up against the vacuum.
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The vapor chamber.
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So this is a new design they have for the vapor chamber.
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This is they're using that the the the packaging technology to put the the
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the RAM and the processors and everything in this package that is then um
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connected directly to the vapor chamber, which they say improves performance because that improves
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cooling and they have a whole new thermal design and three times the surface
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area of the vapor chamber.
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And uh there's more there's stainless and then graphite and then there's nano-twin copper
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to move heat away from the display while also s providing strength.
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But look, I I was struck by this section of just them talking about
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w how they engineer these products kind of holistically.
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Like they are providing strength to make the phone not bend using a material
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that also is moving heat away from the display.
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They're building the chip packaging and attaching it to the vapor chamber, which is
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a much larger vapor chamber.
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And the goal there is to improve sustained performance, which it does, because it
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ultimately they're trying to prevent that that uh chip from having to clock down
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because it got too hot.
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And they you know, forty percent improvement, giant leaps in improvements.
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You know, they seem very they seem very focused on this right now, right?
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That like we only got the vapor chamber last year and for them to
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have already done a lot of additional work on it.
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This is clearly something that is important to them with the iPhone now, of
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allowing them to get performance.
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They clearly see it as an increasing benefit and an increasing need for a
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performance, high sustained performance on the iPhone, gaming, AI, this kind of stuff.
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Um it seems like they're putting a lot of effort into that with the
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I mean, you know, we spoke about it on this show.
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It was getting really bad.
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Like the the these phones were getting uncomfortable to hold.
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Um and so I I am happy that they have they've done this.
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Like I think No sixteen sixteen was really hot.
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Um seventeen is a a lot better.
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I imagine this will be a lot better.
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Yeah the other way to view this, of course, is that Apple has the
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chip powers to drive this and then boast about it.
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And the question I mean, this is why they I think they're really excited
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about obviously they're excited about gaming on the iPhone they always have been because
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it's something that takes advantage of their chip powers.
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AI now is another thing they can point to.
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Now, how many on device AI things are happening on phones that will require
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uh two banks of neural engines plus GPU accelerators on this chip.
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I don't know.
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But like it's what Apple can do.
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This is the part they can do is they can make their phone really
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And then also alternate alternately making it more efficient which is also important for
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them, right?
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Is to say, yes, but also it's the best battery life we've ever had.
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That we, you know, they did the new design.
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And if you're the eSIM only model, which has a little tiny bit more
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battery, You get the best uh battery life of any iPhone.
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And like that that real world test again, they're quoting in a real world
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test 24 hours per charge of an 18 Pro and 30 hours on a
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Pro Max which is a wild number.
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That is a wild number.
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24 hours of battery life on an iPhone.
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And also the the what did it say?
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The 18 Pro, the battery life was as much as the second
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That's really cool.
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Like I I'm I'm very, very down with that.
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Like that's really good.
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I'm I'm very happy with that.
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And they they list it off like this is a combination of the chip
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and also the software
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and like it's and and the battery and figuring out how they all work
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together um and then the battery life and Emerges from that.
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Yeah, it's really very interesting stuff.
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Uh and but it's fifty percent charge in fifteen minutes on a wired charger.
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Like they're doing some faster charging stuff.
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So these are all good things, right?
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Like they're just like Oh yes, this is all good stuff.
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Like, yeah, if you're getting on an airplane and you only have five minutes
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to plug it in, you'll be able to watch a movie on the flight.
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That's basically their argument here.
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So that's pretty cool.
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It's pretty cool.
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Should talk about the camera.
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Let's talk about it.
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We have we have the variable first variable aperture physical aperture control on an
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iPhone ever.
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laser cut blades thinner than a human hair.
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I don't I don't know what to do with that.
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Did they do a James Bond thing with John Turnus at the end?
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I think they did, right?
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Where like it was what John Turnus and then i it did the the
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the kind of the aperture thing.
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A little aperture with the gun barrel.
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I maybe I think they were I don't know why they why they did
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Um it looked like that to me.
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Uh I hope that that's what they're doing.
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Again, they're they're they're boasting here about the impressive technology that's required to do
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a physical aperture.
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It's a moving part, right?
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It's on a device that has no moving parts.
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But this is what you need to do for the physics of light.
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So now they've got that, you know, rotor mechanism and it allows them to
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The the key thing here is it allows them to let in lots and
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lots of light when they want to, which leads to positive things like night
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mode captures being faster.
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Um, but also it allows them to close the aperture when they need to
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to block the light and also to create other photographic effects.
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So you end up with um the software being or or the user, but
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the user or the software being able to control that aperture in order to
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get the desired effect.
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And and you know, there's a lot as we got into it, the the
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pro controls, which is that thing that had been rumored is like, are they
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gonna build the whole app?
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And the answer is no they're gonna build this whole pro control system where
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you can customize your apps and you've got control over more stuff and have
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a histogram.
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This is what Mark German was talking about, right?
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This was the the the thing that he was talking about a long time
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And this is what supposedly Apple hired Sebastian DeWitt, who did um who did
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Halide uh to work on some of this stuff too, because this is pro
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camera features inside the camera app.
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Um a histogram, you can adjust the aperture, you can change the s shutter
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That was a thing I really liked is like if you want to have
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motion trails or uh stuff like that, you can change the shutter speed uh
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in the camera app.
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Um which I don't think you could do in a camera app before I
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think you needed an advanced app for that.
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So that'll be the challenge here is that those advanced camera apps are gonna
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be a little challenged by this.
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But at the same time what I would say is the people who want
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to use the full features of the camera, we'll probably want to use an
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advanced camera app instead of this.
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So, you know, there's always more room out on the edges for those.
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But I I was impressed that Apple is adding in a whole load of
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And then photographic styles, they uh they increased as well.
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Yeah I'm with texture and texture and grains.
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So you can you can personalize your pr your photographic style even more now.
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I just want them to keep working on that feature because I I really
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like that feature.
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I like a little bit of grain in my photos too.
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So I'm pleased that they did this.
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Um I I feel like at this point I'm not gonna need to use
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a photo editor at all on my phone.
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Um, because like I've I've used Visco uh VSCO, I've used Darkroom, like I've
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used these apps over time.
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And photographic styles has reduced the amount of time that I use these types
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of uh uh editing tools because I I really like the I you have
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a slightly tweaked gold uh is the the color preset slightly tweaked it.
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If I could add a little grain in there, like I I would be
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I don't know if I'd use that all the time, but I like being
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able to add some of that in and and play around with the photographic
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styles, which is a feature that I I I really like.
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Oh, I was I want to just touch on the aperture again, uh just
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as like I'm I'm really intrigued to see what it looks like from my
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It's like 'cause again, it's like they show off the the the example images
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and like this was taken at this and this and it's like I don't
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I have no concept of what you're showing me.
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You know, it's like look how impressive this image is.
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And it's like, I agree that's a good image that what you're showing me
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you know, like these these look good, but what would they have been otherwise?
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And and I'm you know, it's like I feel like so many times over
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the years there have been like the biggest leap in the camera.
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And then we get it and we're like, I mean yes, a little bit
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Like but i they it's not huge and it does feel like every time
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that they have done stuff around lighting, the amount of light that can go
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into an image, it has made a big improvement.
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So So my hope is that that is what we're gonna see.
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I was happy to hear like a few little bit of night mode getting
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That made me excited.
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Like faster and better.
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Brilliant, because I quite like that.
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And ultimately you have more control over depth of field because of the aperture.
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So there'll be some degree of that that is going on.
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And I'm gonna be intrigued to see like without the
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pro controls, how much control do I get?
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How automatic is it?
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What do they how simple is it?
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You know, like w w how much benefit do I get without digging into
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the big stuff?
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My my imagine is that there'll be a, you know, fully functional auto setting
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that does just what a auto setting on a film camera would do, which
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is gonna adjust the aperture based on how much light it senses and and
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you know, that's how that's gonna work.
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Can we speaking of which, new photo features?
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Um, Apple reference image was announced today.
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In the midst of a photo a phone launch, they announced this new system
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whereby they literally sign their photo data from the sensor at a pixel level
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and then use private cloud compute
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to generate a signed unalterable image that lives with your photo that you can
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edit so that you can always provide the signed photo as evidence of that
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this was not an artificially manipulated photo.
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Interesting.
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Interesting.
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I mean they're supporting Synth ID as well, which is just, you know a
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tag if something was AI generated, but and and the way they're doing it
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is it's not that you can't edit your photo, but by putting them together,
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what it's saying if you adjust the You know, you crop it and you
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adjust the the contrast and the colors and all of that because you're a
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news photographer.
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Um, but perhaps your employer wants also to have the evidence of I don't
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know how this is gonna work, the evidence that this is a a real
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photo and not something to say I generated, the Apple is basically providing iPhone
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photographers with the ability to do that and say, here's the evidence that this
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is a real photo.
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This is a a cryptographically signed original that is unaltered.
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That's interesting.
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It is interesting.
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The thing that you've suggested is great, right?
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That like people who are camera professionals will be able to have this is
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how they sold the feature is this is a very specific feature that is
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how do I prove that this photo is real?
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And the answer is this is how.
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But like kind of what I want
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is what about everyone?
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You know what I mean?
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Well I I think the answer is Apple did this.
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I I and I don't know enough about the background here to know if
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there's somebody who's trying to work on a standard here or not.
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So this could be part of a larger thing or it could be Apple
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just laying their cards down and saying everybody else should do this too, some
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version of this.
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Which uh it's an interesting take, right?
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Of like, how do I know that this photo you you could you could
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end up in a place where any photo you see, you could say, show
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me the original and verify that this is real.
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And it if it if it showed you something that had been cryptographically verified,
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then you would know that it was a real image.
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That could be great.
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But, you know, Apple isn't the world today.
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They're changing the output of their iPhone.
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But I think it is an interesting attempt to
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reinforce that this is the you know by by getting down to the pixel
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level on the sensor, um proving that this is a photo that was actually
01:25:01
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There were two video features that I was excited about.
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Um one is that you can add cinematic mode effects to videos after you
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It's like I don't want to be choosing a mode, but maybe I would
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be able to make a video better, right?
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By by having adding some of these effects.
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Um and also smart focus tracking with on-device AI.
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So you can set like track this person and it will track them, keep
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them in focus.
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If they leave and come back, it still tracks them.
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That's a cool.
01:25:31
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That's cool feature.
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Smaller dynamic island now?
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Uh you can have three live activities viewable at once.
01:25:42
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Like that's that's nice.
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And I expect that that will also work uh on the duo because the
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dynamic island
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I don't know what the geometry of that is.
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I'm gonna assume it's a good idea.
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Especially the inside one though, because there isn't one until you need it.
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It's software.
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So it's all software.
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The eighteen pro starts at $11.99.
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So it is $100 more at the starting price.
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It goes up to two terabytes and it goes way up, right?
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Like it it keeps on going.
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An 18 Pro Max at two terabytes is two thousand four hundred and ninety-nine
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So that that two terabyte model it they're making feels like they're making more
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money as it goes up in storage, which you'd expect.
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Um I I saw uh while we were recording in the live chat people
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were saying that the older phones got more expensive.
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Yeah, a hundred dollars.
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All all the other phones are a hundred dollars more expensive too today.
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This was the price increase day for the iPhone.
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I mean it's a hundred for all of them.
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Uh d I don't I don't know if I expected that at this point,
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but I guess if you're gonna do it, do it now, right?
01:26:58
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Very interesting stuff.
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Before we move on,
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important category to mention.
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Accessories.
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So So they're still making Tech Woven a thing.
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That's exciting.
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I mean fine woven has become tech woven.
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We're still weaving.
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There's there's there's no new there's no new woven.
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Um, but more importantly, I think one of our draft picks that we didn't
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do is a new accessory of some sort is introduced.
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It's a shame because there was there is a new wrist strap for iPhone
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and the AirPods Pro case as well.
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So instead of just the existing strap Yeah, that's a good use.
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There is there is now a wrist strap.
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So you can take that case and then put the instead of j using
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the connectors for the the b cross body strap, you can use a wrist
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strap or you can loop it around the little AirPods Pro case and do
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it there too.
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So that's a new thing.
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I guess that looks like you could use the crossbody strap kind of with
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an App Bus Pro?
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I don't think so.
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I don't think it works that way.
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Because it's the two sides, right?
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I don't think I don't think it's the same.
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Um there is a uh iPhone duo case that is two pieces for the
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two sides of it, which is how uh that was my question last time
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was how do you do a a folding phone case and the answer is
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And there is the iPhone Duo folio case, which has a kickstand, which I
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think is a first for Apple.
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Um, a kickstand.
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Now, I'm not a fan of the kickstand case.
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I have my reasons.
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My reasons are mostly the kickstands are bad for laps.
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They're unstable in a lap.
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I thought the duopolio case actually looked okay.
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The idea that you you might want to have it be be like on
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I thought it w I thought it was okay.
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I don't want one, but I think it's interesting use of a kickstand.
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The the weird thing about this case to me though is that you cover
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the front of the phone as well.
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I I don't know.
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It's it's like a it's it's like a Oh yeah it covers it covers
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your well it's like a book.
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It's un you have to open it up to see the front of the
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But you just treat it like a book then.
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How does that case look?
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I don't know it's weird.
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Let's f we'll find out.
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I can't wait to try it.
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Because the I guess the I mean it covers I guess the duo case
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is two pieces.
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I think it's I think it's magn I think the folio case is magnetic,
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so you can open the folio up.
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But I but you're right, it is kind of just treating it like it's
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You never need to see the other screen.
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I don't understand how this case works.
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Like what happens when you open the front part?
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Where does it go?
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This is fascinating.
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Around back.
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I don't know.
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It's a mystery.
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I need to know more.
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Well surely there are hands-on events happening right now and people are are showing
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off these things.
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But yeah, that is a really weird phone case.
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Anyway, so stay tuned for that.
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But um shout out to those who love kickstands.
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Cause Apple's kicking it.
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A little bit.
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They're making a stand and they're kicking it.
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Alright, should we talk about the Apple Watch?
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Alright, so we've got the Apple Watch Series twelve and the Apple Watch Ultra
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I guess the biggest thing that's gone on here is they've redone what they're
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calling the health sensing system.
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So this is all of the different sensors on the back of the Apple
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Watch that are tracking a bunch of things, which is essentially allowing them to
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take heart rate information all day now.
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All the time, yeah.
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All the time.
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That's the big that's the big thing here.
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You get the sense that they they increased the surface for the ECG, which
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is probably good.
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Um, but the the big story here is that they're monitoring your heart rate
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at a all the time instead of just like just when you're doing a
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workout or or and then I think what it w it was like when
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you're doing a workout or there was a sample that would happen every so
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But now it's just all the time, every five seconds.
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And then they're also measuring heart rate variability more often as well, which allows
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them to claim it's the most accurate heart sensing and a wearable.
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So that's a big upgrade.
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So they didn't we didn't get new sensors, we got better sensors, which I
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I think that's good.
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I I I get the feeling like the sensor stack on the Apple Watch
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was kind of built up over time and that this was like their redesign
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of it to get all of this stuff to be more efficient.
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With this is a few things going on, right?
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There as you said like they're uh they're gonna display this information in new
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The they have a new heart rate kind of view in the heart app.
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HR V is now in the vitals app and there's a new daytime view
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of the Vitals app as well as the nighttime view because they're taking the
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information more.
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And then all of this is flowing into a new readiness score.
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This is something that is in all of the fitness apps and wearables now.
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Um th and you know, it's Sleep Plus Plus has a readiness score and
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it's taking in how you've slept overnight and also it will update throughout the
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So it's kind of like your readiness at any point.
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It'll give you a score of up to 10, and it kind of gives
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you an inform gives you information about how you should be dealing with your
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But there was a bunch of other bits that I thought were interesting.
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So there's a whole new health app design, which is coming later this year,
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which I found really interesting.
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Um, and it's redesigned, it's got a bunch of Apple intelligence powered insights and
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stuff like that.
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But they're also doing health age
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long so this is like how old how old does your body act compared
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to your age.
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Um longevity, which is like this wheel which is summarizing a bunch of key
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areas about your health.
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I don't like that phrase, longevity.
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But you know You will die soon.
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And they also have, I think this is really cool, a test, I reckon,
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to calibrate your cardio fitness score.
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Cause I've heard from including underscore says that the some of the cardio fitness
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stuff from the Apple Watch can be quite off compared to other devices.
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So it's a test you can do for cardio fitness, which I expect then
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calibrates it as well.
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But that looked that test looked really cool.
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Um I thought that the overall health kind of package and part of the
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the Apple Watch presentation much stronger than previous years.
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Because it's the combination of hardware and software.
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They've been missing the hardware stuff for a long time.
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And the uh the updated health app.
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Which they they really are leaning into that and and talking about that in
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the um in the Apple Watch made sense.
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But like that's that's that's a right correct me if I'm wrong, that's a
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new health app that's not in the iOS twenty seven betas.
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It is not in the betas.
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It's coming later this year.
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So that's interesting.
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That's that's something that they held back because they I think wanted to have
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all of this other stuff that they were gonna put in there.
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And I'm a that's really interesting.
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I've been asking for a long time on this show, right?
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That that I wanted Apple to do a better job of taking all the
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information that they have and putting it together in a way that makes sense.
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They're adding a bunch of features that bring them to parity with competitors and
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Apple intelligence powered stuff.
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It's like great, like is something I'm tracking.
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How is it going?
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Give me information about that, draw pieces of information together show me them in
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Like I am very keen to try this out and see how it compares
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to apps that I use, like Athletic, which I think does a really good
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job of this stuff.
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Um and I and I wonder how it will compare.
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Like I I think this is really I think this is really good.
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And I you know, I I moved from uh I was using a whoop
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band and I went to athletic 'cause I felt like Whoop was way too
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athlete focused.
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Athletic is kind of for everyone and I expect Apple's health app will be
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even more so uh in that regard.
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So very interesting, I think the stuff they're doing.
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But that wasn't all.
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I mean, okay.
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This is the this gets my vote for the most surprising and weirdest feature
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of this entire event.
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And they they they did a folding iPhone, people.
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They added a bunch of AI features to the Apple Watch.
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Not surprising.
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There's not surprising at all.
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And they add sound recognition, which is a nice feature.
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So that's on the watch even if your phone's not around.
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If you can't hear or can't hear well and there's an alarm, it'll put
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a thing on your watch that says I hear an alarm.
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That's cool.
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But they added live rewind
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where if somebody says something and you missed it, it's like the Apple Watch
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or sorry, Apple T V where you back up and they give you captions,
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except in real life.
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Um, but unless that person leaves, couldn't you just ask them to repeat themselves?
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But instead you're like, No, no, no, I'm just gonna rewind on my and
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look at my Apple Watch for 15 seconds.
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Social awkwardness.
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You know, I got it.
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Social awkwardness.
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But that means that it's it's recording and transcribing,
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or it's recording a window temporarily in a in a secure area that is
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not kept for 15 second buffer.
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You're putting a 15 second buffer on your conversation.
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So that's interesting.
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that's not the weirdest part.
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The weirdest part 15 seconds is not enough time, maybe.
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Like like I agree.
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If you actually want to make this useful, but you gotta start somewhere.
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But then there's Siri Recap.
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Unbelievable.
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Friends, Siri Recap is like a is like that pendant.
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It's like it's like literally if you want.
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Siri will listen on your Apple Watch to your whole conversation as you have
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it and generate meeting notes.
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It's a meeting it's meeting notes for life.
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And yeah, they're like, Oh, oh, oh, it's always on.
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It could well like no no, you can make it so it's only when
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you're work and never never at night, or you could turn it on and
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off from the control center.
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um and it and they they make a point of saying it can't be
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recorded or stored, it doesn't speakers, it can't be accessed.
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They're obviously taking this, transcribe throwing the audio data away, but transcribing it and
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generating a document out of it.
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But still, I I did not expect Apple to just drop a feature like
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this where it's hey, guess what?
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Now you can do meeting notes for your entire life on your Apple Watch.
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And just leave it on.
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It's a bold strategy, Continent.
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Yeah, let's see how it works out for him.
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Now look, I'm gonna say I am very intrigued to try this.
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Like I because I like really want to see what is Apple's version of
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this kind of thing.
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What is it doing?
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How does it really work?
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you could tell with the
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the amount of of caveats that they give, right?
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That like You can turn it off and to any crypto folio, we don't
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know anything.
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It's like they know how people will react to this.
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But I am fascinated by the fact that they've decided to make the Apple
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Watch an AI wearable.
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Like they've yeah, they've done it.
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Like Like Okay.
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Like I want to see
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what on earth
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this looks like.
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So and they said it was the c the information is in the Siri
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Like it has like the recap is in the Siri app on your watching
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I mean, this is one of these things it's like
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gotta s just gotta see it, you know?
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Gotta see it.
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'Cause yeah.
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I understand on the face of it there are gonna be a lot of
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people who are like, What on earth is that?
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Where on I am like, I wanna see this.
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Like what are you doing?
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Like like yeah.
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Fascinating thing to just throw out there.
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I never would have imagined it in the way that they did it.
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Like I imagine them doing something like this, not with the Apple Watch.
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I don't know why but I don't think I would have expected the Apple
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Watch as the place where we first see something like this.
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But maybe it's a better device than the AirPods, right?
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Like you you actually do have it on all the time, right?
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Really interesting.
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Like I I don't really know what to make of it.
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Uh apparently there's a secure exclave.
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I I don't we have enclaves and exclaves.
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I don't Yeah, yeah.
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I don't know what that means.
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What does that's not new, but they're they're they're different.
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Yeah, they're different.
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One's on the inside, one's on the outside.
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I don't I didn't get it.
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Like I said the thing.
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I don't really know what it means.
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Uh but that's cool.
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I'm pleased that that's a that's the thing.
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The Series twelve comes in gray, black, gold, and bronze aluminium, golden natural titanium,
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white and blue ceramic.
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I'm so happy.
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Now the white ceramic is not as white as the previous ceramics.
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It's kind of more maybe ivory colored.
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I am very keen.
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I have already ordered one.
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Uh so There we go.
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I can't wait.
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I'm very excited about it.
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Like it's the the watch that I want.
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The one bummer.
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So the original ceramic came with a white sport band with a ceramic pin
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instead of the metal pin.
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This one does not.
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You just choose your band.
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I think that's a shame.
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Uh I I'm I'm sad about that.
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I would like the ceramic pin.
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Uh maybe I could try and find one on eBay or something.
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Do you you don't still have your ceramic Apple Watch?
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And I wanted to keep the band, but that felt a bit mean to
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the person buying it, you know?
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It's like I'm gonna get rid of it.
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So I will t see if I can try and find one, but uh
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otherwise I'll just I'll just get by I mean to be honest, I I
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I like other bands more than uh sport bands these days anyway.
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So I have it but I'll probably use a different band.
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Uh there's a lot of other band colours.
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I want to see what they look like with that thing I'll I'll check
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it out in an Apple store at some point.
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Uh the Ultra Four has a larger battery, um, two day battery life, 18
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hours on in workout mode, 45 hours uh in the extended workout mode.
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Uh the Apple Watches, I think the prices have stayed the same.
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$3.99 and $7.99 to start.
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Uh there were also AirPods.
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I don't I don't know if you have much to say on that.
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It's cool that now all AirPods do noise cancellation.
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They they there's a new higher cost one, which is actually less of a
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higher cost.
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So they're 129 and 149.
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I think they used to be 129 and N179.
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And they all do ANC.
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The high-end one is uh volume adjustment, volume adjustment on the stems, which the
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first time on the non-pro AirPods.
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Battery life is better
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and um has the wireless charging case.
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But um but you can get A and C even on the 129 AirPods
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And I mean they said it's fifty percent better at noise reduction, which is
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great because that's the whole point of having noise cancellation on and AirPods.
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It's nice 'cause there are now more options, right?
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And and great.
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Like it's like a thing.
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And and the AirPods thing was done in the train station in LA and
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when I was talking about extras earlier, there's a ticket kiosk and they're people
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lined up to sell to buy tickets and the person who's selling them the
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tickets looks like they're out of a like a movie from the forties.
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It's like a guy with a hat and a like a little uniform.
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Interesting.
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And I thought that was hilarious.
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Just details.
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I love I love that they have all of these extras in these scenes.
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It's It did it felt a little bit more alive.
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So that's it.
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Is that all?
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I think that's all.
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Obviously there's gonna be more over the next couple of weeks.
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September eighteenth release for everything basically except the duo.
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IPhone Duo, which would be an October thing.
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Which you're you're right.
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From a I want to see it now, I'm disappointed.
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From a we have more time to process the other products and then also
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think about and learn about the iPhone Duo it is nice to have that
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time and it not be a total avalanche in the next, you know, week
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So that's And I I think it's a kindness to developers too.
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Um also true.
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Because this is a big UI change.
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Because, you know, people were like, Oh, we'll just prepare for the way they're
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showing us with the screen mirroring.
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It's like, yes, but what if also all of these buttons move?
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It's like, ah, yeah.
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So I uh I'm I'm pleased that there is a little bit more time,
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Like people can get Their app submitted for twenty seven and then they can
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start working on this uh as well.
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So but it's gonna be interesting to see how that all unfolds, pun intended.
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Uh before we
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breaking news, breaking news breaking news, breaking news.
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It's possible that the sand sport band comes with a ceramic band.
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This this just in from Piotr in the chat.
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It's possible.
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That's the one I ordered.
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Because that's the best looking band combination.
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Sandsport band.
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Sandsport band.
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Well, report back.
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You can be our report back.
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Ceramic watch correspondent here.
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I mean, I'll say it doesn't say that like if that is the case,
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I don't I didn't find anywhere where it said it.
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Um Maybe it's color matched at least.
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Yeah, I mean or it could just be doing a reflection.
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Like you know, it's like it's hard to know.
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Report back.
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I mean I will September eighteenth.
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I absolutely will report back.
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Uh very excited.
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Before we go, I want to mention uh thank you so much to everybody
01:48:14
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that's reached out about Designed in California.
01:48:16
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Um I cannot remember a time uh where I got so many positive messages
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about a new project.
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It really has been wonderful.
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Um it I think the greatest uh uh series of like of compliments that
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we have received is members who didn't want to listen to all of it
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Uh and so people have listened to the entire series already if they're a
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member of back the kickstart or signed up otherwise.
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And so I'm really pleased about that.
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Now this week's episode, which is already out, we released it uh a day
01:48:46
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early because of the Apple event this year, 'cause uh this week, sorry, 'cause
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the the show will be coming out on Wednesdays.
01:48:51
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Um it sees the entrance of Jean Louis Gasset to the story that we're
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telling of Apple's macOS crisis, leading to the potential acquisition of Gas.
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A's company B.
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So you can check that out on designed in California at relay.fm slash designed.
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Uh we haven't mentioned this, I don't think, on the show yet so I'm
01:49:10
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going to mention it very clearly and put some links in the show notes.
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There is a YouTube version of the show, full video, wonderful edit.
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Um matches the audio edit exactly.
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So that's great.
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And we also have an Instagram account where I'm sharing some clips and behind
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the scenes stuff and all those kinds of things.
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Both of these, the usernames, are designed in CA.
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Um, which reads designed Inca if you which is how I read it in
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my head a lot, but is designed in CA.
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Uh so if you wanna uh go you wanna uh follow along there you
01:49:46
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Okay, so we have from the newsroom post further breaking news from Nathan.
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A stunning new ceramic version of the Apple Watch is available in pearl white
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and night blue finishes.
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Sand and navy blue sport bands that come with ceramic versions of the Apple
01:50:01
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Watch Series twelve feature a ceramic pin and tuck closure designed to perfectly match
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Ladies and gentlemen, we did it.
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So play it relief.
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This this story that we've been worried about for the last four minutes has
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been resolved.
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Hooray indeed.
01:50:22
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All right, but that will do it for this week's episode.
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Uh if you would like to send us your feedback, your follow up, ask
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thoughts on on next week's episode.
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I'm sure it will be one of the what we missed episodes as we
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always do because there's always things.
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Uh please go to upgradefeedback.com and you can send that in.
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I want to thank our members who supported us of Upgrade Plus.
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This week we're going to score the Saint Jew Challenge and tell you uh
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But most of all, I want to thank you for listening.
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Until next time, say goodbye, Jason Snell.
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We'll be back in only five days.
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We'll be back soon.