Connected

00:00:07 ◼   ► From Reader this is Connected episode 623.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought you by Squarespace and Century.

00:00:14 ◼   ► I'm your keynote chairman Federico Bittici and I'm joined by my excellent American made

00:00:22 ◼   ► self-made man, the annual chairman Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Hello, Federico.

00:00:27 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:29 ◼   ► I am very caffeinated today because I didn't sleep a lot last night and

00:00:34 ◼   ► so I c overcompensated with coffee.

00:00:37 ◼   ► And this is the result.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Do you remember probably like ten years ago on the show or four?

00:00:42 ◼   ► Or fourteen years ago on the show, who knows?

00:00:44 ◼   ► We've done a long time.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Uh we had like an intervention about how much espresso you were taking in.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Oh man, it used to be bad.

00:00:50 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:51 ◼   ► I on certain days I would approach like ten.

00:00:55 ◼   ► It's not good.

00:00:56 ◼   ► And and now this this was my fourth.

00:00:59 ◼   ► So and and this is like on most days um I stop at three.

00:01:04 ◼   ► So uh one third of what it used to be.

00:01:07 ◼   ► It's good.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Speaking of one third of what it used to be, we're joined by Mike

00:01:11 ◼   ► Hurley.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Rough.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Hey buddy.

00:01:13 ◼   ► I don't even know what he means, but that's so bad.

00:01:16 ◼   ► That's like so mean.

00:01:17 ◼   ► You're tired.

00:01:18 ◼   ► You've tr you've been traveling.

00:01:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:21 ◼   ► You're back.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Well, how does that take two thirds away from me?

00:01:24 ◼   ► I don't my spirit?

00:01:25 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:01:26 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:28 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Hello.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Hello.

00:01:30 ◼   ► You you have been traveling.

00:01:33 ◼   ► That's because we just wrapped up relay for Saint Jude.

00:01:37 ◼   ► And I just want to say thank you.

00:01:39 ◼   ► Uh we raised uh seven hundred and fifty six thousand dollars this year.

00:01:46 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:01:46 ◼   ► Third time, third highest uh campaign we've ever done, which is absolutely incredible.

00:01:51 ◼   ► Just squeaked in over the wire.

00:01:53 ◼   ► We did to get to get that third.

00:01:55 ◼   ► We did.

00:01:55 ◼   ► What by like a thousand dollars over last year or something.

00:01:58 ◼   ► A couple grand, yeah.

00:01:59 ◼   ► It's like point three percent, I think.

00:02:00 ◼   ► Uh if anything, consistent very consistent, which uh is really cool.

00:02:06 ◼   ► Um we uh I was talking to our our friends at at Alsac, St.

00:02:10 ◼   ► Jude's uh fundraising uh organization, talking them about that when we were there, about

00:02:15 ◼   ► like how a lot of campaigns, especially like creator influencer campaigns like ours, although

00:02:22 ◼   ► I'm we're not influencers, maybe we are hard to tell.

00:02:25 ◼   ► Yeah, you are.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:26 ◼   ► We are.

00:02:27 ◼   ► You are.

00:02:27 ◼   ► It's just a different thing.

00:02:28 ◼   ► We just we just don't have big social media followings, but we are influencers

00:02:32 ◼   ► It's true.

00:02:32 ◼   ► I influence you to buy Mac Pro wheels on eBay.

00:02:35 ◼   ► Just just give Steven a couple of months.

00:02:36 ◼   ► In a couple of months he'll be saying that he's influencer.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:39 ◼   ► All vertical video.

00:02:41 ◼   ► What's up fans?

00:02:43 ◼   ► Hey guys.

00:02:43 ◼   ► Hey guys.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Hey guys, I'm here with an iPod.

00:02:47 ◼   ► This ten old Apple computers did things you have no idea.

00:02:52 ◼   ► You won't believe what happens next.

00:02:54 ◼   ► See these floppy disks?

00:02:57 ◼   ► My Apple II caught fire.

00:02:59 ◼   ► Oh that happened actually.

00:03:00 ◼   ► That actually did happen.

00:03:01 ◼   ► See?

00:03:01 ◼   ► It did happen.

00:03:02 ◼   ► You could make a video about that.

00:03:05 ◼   ► It's at ten minutes and twenty ten hours.

00:03:07 ◼   ► God, ten minutes.

00:03:08 ◼   ► Ten hours and twenty-five minutes into the podcast on video and go see.

00:03:12 ◼   ► Complete starts pouring out of a very old computer.

00:03:15 ◼   ► Complete meltdown.

00:03:16 ◼   ► But not planned.

00:03:17 ◼   ► But I was talking to them about the consens consistency of our campaign.

00:03:21 ◼   ► And like that is a huge credit, is all credit to the to the

00:03:24 ◼   ► relay audience.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Um and the community, the Apple community at large that that's that backs this

00:03:30 ◼   ► every year.

00:03:31 ◼   ► Since twenty nineteen, the community has given just shy of five point six million

00:03:39 ◼   ► dollars to St.

00:03:40 ◼   ► Jude.

00:03:40 ◼   ► Let's go.

00:03:41 ◼   ► I love the just shy because it means next time we have an easy

00:03:46 ◼   ► goal to go for.

00:03:47 ◼   ► Six million total.

00:03:48 ◼   ► No, no.

00:03:49 ◼   ► Five point six million total.

00:03:51 ◼   ► Nope.

00:03:51 ◼   ► That's not what I was talking about.

00:03:53 ◼   ► I'm talking about five point six.

00:03:55 ◼   ► That's the goal.

00:03:56 ◼   ► That's the goal.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Uh but I guess, yeah, I I actually that would say though, right, that

00:04:00 ◼   ► we could go for six.

00:04:02 ◼   ► Yeah, we are at um I mean I can the the actual amount, if

00:04:06 ◼   ► you want it.

00:04:07 ◼   ► Uh let me find my spreadsheet uh is

00:04:11 ◼   ► five million five hundred and seventy five thousand seventy two dollars and sixty one

00:04:17 ◼   ► cents.

00:04:18 ◼   ► Okay.

00:04:19 ◼   ► So so six million next year feels oh it's like achievable.

00:04:23 ◼   ► We'll hit it halfway through probably.

00:04:25 ◼   ► Um Yeah, providing the consistency holds.

00:04:28 ◼   ► Yes.

00:04:29 ◼   ► Which is really, really cool.

00:04:31 ◼   ► It doesn't happen in campaigns like ours as long as it has.

00:04:33 ◼   ► I mean, this was year eight.

00:04:35 ◼   ► So if you donated if you hosted a fundraiser, if you sent a link

00:04:40 ◼   ► to a friend, if you uh signed up for a matching gift through your

00:04:45 ◼   ► employer, if you donated through a donor-advised fund, if you watched the podcast on

00:04:49 ◼   ► anything you did for this campaign, thank you.

00:04:52 ◼   ► We are I I mean, just I I reflected on it so much last

00:04:56 ◼   ► week.

00:04:57 ◼   ► When we started this in nineteen, man, it's like we just wanted to raise

00:05:01 ◼   ► like I don't know, like seventy five thousand dollars.

00:05:03 ◼   ► Let's uh maybe we'll get s maybe we'll do a hundred thousand, right?

00:05:06 ◼   ► And it it it absolutely blew up the first year and we had no

00:05:09 ◼   ► idea what we were doing.

00:05:10 ◼   ► Like I look back on that campaign and it was it's adorable how how

00:05:14 ◼   ► small and how simple it was and compared to what it is now, it's

00:05:19 ◼   ► just unbelievable.

00:05:20 ◼   ► So um it it means the world to all of us.

00:05:24 ◼   ► It certainly means the world to me and my family as parents of a

00:05:28 ◼   ► St.

00:05:28 ◼   ► Jude uh survivor.

00:05:30 ◼   ► So um

00:05:32 ◼   ► thank you thank you

00:05:35 ◼   ► follow up

00:05:37 ◼   ► I want to talk about displays

00:05:40 ◼   ► you are men with displays I believe you're looking at pixels right now, right?

00:05:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:48 ◼   ► James wrote in, uh, for Federico.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Uh Federico, could you talk about mac OS text rendering on your Asus monitor?

00:05:55 ◼   ► Uh yes.

00:05:56 ◼   ► The uh this is a quote.

00:05:59 ◼   ► PG27 UC DM.

00:06:02 ◼   ► Let's go, baby.

00:06:03 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:04 ◼   ► Something they're looking at.

00:06:05 ◼   ► Uh James is currently using an old LG Ultrafine 5K and is weighing the

00:06:10 ◼   ► Asus monitor as a potential replacement versus the regular studio display?

00:06:16 ◼   ► Is text uh is a text issue on this monitor overblown on Reddit, et

00:06:20 ◼   ► cetera?

00:06:21 ◼   ► I assume this is about like pinks pixel density?

00:06:24 ◼   ► What what what's the deal with Asus?

00:06:28 ◼   ► Okay, look, I've never been an expert in these things with text rendering.

00:06:32 ◼   ► I'll tell you the practical explanation.

00:06:34 ◼   ► It is worse than the Apple Studio display.

00:06:37 ◼   ► It's not a nightmare.

00:06:40 ◼   ► Like I don't want to gouge my eyes out when I look at that

00:06:42 ◼   ► display.

00:06:43 ◼   ► Like it's it's fine comparing as I'm doing now.

00:06:47 ◼   ► Um I'm using the Apple Studio Display XDR that they sent me.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Um, I can tell you it looks better.

00:06:53 ◼   ► It does look better.

00:06:54 ◼   ► It looks I don't know how to tell you, smoother.

00:06:57 ◼   ► It looks the text looks crisper.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Like it does look better.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Safari printers faster?

00:07:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Is it is it Safari snappier?

00:07:07 ◼   ► That's what it is.

00:07:08 ◼   ► I'm totally pulling this out of my brain.

00:07:12 ◼   ► Is it like the sub pixel anti-aleacine?

00:07:16 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:16 ◼   ► I think it's related to that.

00:07:19 ◼   ► It looks nicer, but when I was when I was using the the ASUS

00:07:24 ◼   ► until two weeks ago,

00:07:26 ◼   ► it was good.

00:07:28 ◼   ► Like imagine uh eight out of ten versus ten out of ten.

00:07:33 ◼   ► That's the difference.

00:07:34 ◼   ► Like if you go on Reddit, they'll tell you, no, it's unusable.

00:07:38 ◼   ► No, it's not unusable.

00:07:41 ◼   ► But the Apple one is better.

00:07:43 ◼   ► It's the thing, right?

00:07:44 ◼   ► I think the Asus monitor, I looked it up online.

00:07:46 ◼   ► I'm sure you can get deals on them, so it maybe just doesn't count,

00:07:49 ◼   ► but I saw it's like eleven hundred dollars is like the list price.

00:07:53 ◼   ► And a studio display, not the XDR, the regular studio display is like $1,500,

00:07:58 ◼   ► $1,600 or something.

00:08:00 ◼   ► I do at least wonder to James, if you are asking this question and

00:08:07 ◼   ► it concerns you that maybe you

00:08:11 ◼   ► should find a way to get a studio display.

00:08:13 ◼   ► That would be like if this is a question that you have in your

00:08:17 ◼   ► mind, you're maybe past the like threshold of like we I mean James knows

00:08:23 ◼   ► this for themselves, right?

00:08:24 ◼   ► But I figure if you're if you're like, oh, what is the text rendering

00:08:29 ◼   ► like?

00:08:29 ◼   ► M maybe you are a more discerning

00:08:33 ◼   ► eyeball person.

00:08:34 ◼   ► And so like you need

00:08:37 ◼   ► Some you y you should consider a studio display.

00:08:40 ◼   ► That that's what I would say.

00:08:42 ◼   ► But James can only decide that for themselves, you know?

00:08:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Mike, you have the studio display XDR.

00:08:49 ◼   ► Yeah, ma'am.

00:08:50 ◼   ► And now you have a computer that can actually drive it at the higher

00:08:53 ◼   ► refresh rates.

00:08:54 ◼   ► Yeah, man.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Um how has that experience been?

00:08:57 ◼   ► I mean are you loving your smooth, smooth boy life?

00:09:00 ◼   ► Oh, I love it.

00:09:02 ◼   ► It's really good.

00:09:03 ◼   ► I love this display so much and it's so funny because there are just

00:09:08 ◼   ► some parts of macOS that are just like in um what is it called?

00:09:12 ◼   ► Golden Gate that are just super HDR now.

00:09:15 ◼   ► Like just wild.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Like if you open spotlight it's like blisteringly bright.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Um but I love it.

00:09:23 ◼   ► It's like this is fun.

00:09:24 ◼   ► Like the sh like the the text cursor is just like so bright against

00:09:27 ◼   ► the like the white on the black.

00:09:29 ◼   ► And I think that's

00:09:31 ◼   ► I think I've seen people say that like, oh, is this for to prepare

00:09:34 ◼   ► for the OLED MacBook Pro or whatever?

00:09:36 ◼   ► Um, but yeah, I l I love the studio display.

00:09:40 ◼   ► I mean I love it anyway because it's just like a really good monitor

00:09:42 ◼   ► and and it's got exactly what I need.

00:09:44 ◼   ► The speakers are really good, the picture quality is good.

00:09:47 ◼   ► It's got enough uh I.O.

00:09:49 ◼   ► It's the only monitor I've ever used with Mac OS where the experience is

00:09:54 ◼   ► essentially faultless.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Like I'm not having to do weird plugging and unplugging unless you plug a

00:10:00 ◼   ► new computer in.

00:10:01 ◼   ► You have to like approve it for the first time or whatever.

00:10:04 ◼   ► Come on, Apple.

00:10:05 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's not that I mean you you're not doing that very much.

00:10:08 ◼   ► Like sure.

00:10:08 ◼   ► You you you have to do it, but it's not a difficult thing to

00:10:11 ◼   ► do.

00:10:12 ◼   ► Um

00:10:13 ◼   ► but then I'm not having the thing where like I had when I was

00:10:17 ◼   ► using the I used like a Dell display and I used an LG display.

00:10:21 ◼   ► And sometimes it would just stop working.

00:10:24 ◼   ► Like and I would have to do this dance of like plug, unplug, turn

00:10:28 ◼   ► off, turn on and would just have to keep doing this over and over

00:10:31 ◼   ► and over again until it would eventually work and I didn't know what the

00:10:34 ◼   ► steps were exactly that made it work.

00:10:37 ◼   ► You don't have to deal with any of that with with the studio display.

00:10:40 ◼   ► I mean it's because Apple's r making the thing, right?

00:10:42 ◼   ► So they're making sure that it works properly.

00:10:44 ◼   ► That's like the integrated advantage.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:46 ◼   ► But then if you do have a a machine, any modern enough machine that

00:10:50 ◼   ► can drive that display at like the promotion refresh rate, it's fantastic.

00:10:56 ◼   ► Like talk about Safari feeling snappier.

00:10:58 ◼   ► Like when it's loading at 120 frames per second, just everything feels better about

00:11:03 ◼   ► the computer.

00:11:04 ◼   ► I mean a couple that with just like I am so happy I bought

00:11:07 ◼   ► this MacBook Air when I bought it.

00:11:09 ◼   ► Because I I was having so you know, it it documented on the show,

00:11:12 ◼   ► right?

00:11:12 ◼   ► Like I was having so many issues with the RAM constraints in and storage

00:11:16 ◼   ► constraints in my computer that now I just don't have any more, like at

00:11:19 ◼   ► all.

00:11:19 ◼   ► And it runs like a dream.

00:11:21 ◼   ► And I'm doing more with it than I've ever done, like like pushing it

00:11:24 ◼   ► to do d different apps and you know using Photoshop more and all this

00:11:28 ◼   ► kind of stuff.

00:11:28 ◼   ► And it's just like not a problem.

00:11:29 ◼   ► So that's all really great, but the XDR is is brilliant.

00:11:33 ◼   ► I and I do thoroughly recommend it, even though it's really expensive.

00:11:37 ◼   ► But if you wanna have a the best experience with a Mac display, like

00:11:43 ◼   ► that is the one to get, except for that really silly one that Steven

00:11:46 ◼   ► has.

00:11:46 ◼   ► But I actually don't even think that it is better than mine.

00:11:50 ◼   ► It's bigger.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:52 ◼   ► Technically it's worse.

00:11:55 ◼   ► Technically, motion in the ocean or something like that.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:11:58 ◼   ► I mean you really did buy at a good time.

00:12:01 ◼   ► I was just that time.

00:12:02 ◼   ► As you were talking about that, I pulled up the configurator for the MacBook

00:12:06 ◼   ► Air.

00:12:06 ◼   ► And you're basically one click away from getting a computer in November.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Like Oh really?

00:12:12 ◼   ► It is um if you upgrade hardly anything, you you really start um sp

00:12:18 ◼   ► spinning those dates out.

00:12:20 ◼   ► So you did a good time.

00:12:22 ◼   ► And the Mapper Garris plenty, right?

00:12:23 ◼   ► Like you're you're a professional Macintosh user.

00:12:26 ◼   ► I am a professional Macintosh user.

00:12:28 ◼   ► I mean I I look at my MacBook Pro, which I I I got

00:12:30 ◼   ► the M four Max uh when it came out, uh afraid of what was

00:12:35 ◼   ► coming.

00:12:36 ◼   ► And it's the same computer Jason Snell has.

00:12:38 ◼   ► And I'm gonna run it into the ground.

00:12:41 ◼   ► But when it's time to replace it years from now, like honestly.

00:12:45 ◼   ► I could do an air.

00:12:47 ◼   ► I really think I could, especially by then.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Um Yeah, but by then you will have bought a touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro

00:12:54 ◼   ► instead.

00:12:55 ◼   ► No, it's possible.

00:12:56 ◼   ► Um not not look it's it's that or uh of an iPhone duo, you

00:13:01 ◼   ► know.

00:13:01 ◼   ► Alright, I'd want to just just okay, so I said Steven's gonna buy that,

00:13:05 ◼   ► and he's like, I don't know about that.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Okay, so Steven's bought an iPhone.

00:13:08 ◼   ► Wow.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Steven has a secret iPhone that I have not seen.

00:13:12 ◼   ► You got that iPhone Duo man?

00:13:14 ◼   ► I'm jealous.

00:13:15 ◼   ► Do you?

00:13:15 ◼   ► Steven Steven has a black Map Black iPhone eighteen pro.

00:13:20 ◼   ► I'm just putting him on out there, like, oh I love the air, the

00:13:22 ◼   ► air's so good.

00:13:23 ◼   ► They're Steven.

00:13:25 ◼   ► Will I even need a camera?

00:13:26 ◼   ► Who needs cameras?

00:13:27 ◼   ► And now look at him.

00:13:29 ◼   ► So you know.

00:13:30 ◼   ► Is he gonna buy the MacBook Pro?

00:13:31 ◼   ► Yeah, he will.

00:13:32 ◼   ► He will do that.

00:13:33 ◼   ► A couple things about that.

00:13:35 ◼   ► I do still have the air.

00:13:37 ◼   ► It's it's now back to my development phone.

00:13:40 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:13:40 ◼   ► I'm using it every day it's right here.

00:13:42 ◼   ► It's right.

00:13:42 ◼   ► You might hit it against the mic.

00:13:43 ◼   ► I believe you.

00:13:44 ◼   ► Right there.

00:13:45 ◼   ► It is the perfect size screen, man.

00:13:47 ◼   ► The Pro is too small.

00:13:48 ◼   ► The Pro Max is too big.

00:13:50 ◼   ► I picked up a Pro Max in the Apple store a couple weeks ago.

00:13:53 ◼   ► Whose hands are that for?

00:13:55 ◼   ► They're not my hands.

00:13:56 ◼   ► You know?

00:13:57 ◼   ► Big boy.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Big boy phone.

00:13:59 ◼   ► Um, but yeah, the cameras are pretty sweet.

00:14:02 ◼   ► Also, I had a bunch stuff to trade in.

00:14:04 ◼   ► I paid like a hundred bucks for that phone.

00:14:05 ◼   ► So settle down.

00:14:07 ◼   ► The the point isn't that you spent the money on it.

00:14:10 ◼   ► The point is I did it in secret.

00:14:12 ◼   ► You did it in secret after being like

00:14:16 ◼   ► Oh, but I love my air, you know.

00:14:17 ◼   ► I do love the air.

00:14:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:19 ◼   ► But you didn't say it in a I love it, but I'm gonna replace

00:14:22 ◼   ► it kind of way.

00:14:23 ◼   ► So you basically cheated on your iPhone Air.

00:14:25 ◼   ► If you love something, you gotta set it free.

00:14:27 ◼   ► Isn't that what the song says?

00:14:30 ◼   ► Sure.

00:14:31 ◼   ► I mean n I don't I don't think it's you have to let it

00:14:36 ◼   ► free.

00:14:38 ◼   ► If you love something,

00:14:40 ◼   ► trade it in for a reduced value.

00:14:43 ◼   ► If you love something, trade it in for money.

00:14:45 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:14:45 ◼   ► That is that's the lesson we'll take away from today's episode.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Um yeah, so it's so to answer James' question from fifteen minutes ago, seems

00:14:54 ◼   ► like the ASEUS is fine.

00:14:55 ◼   ► The studio displays like the regular studio display, I mean I used one for

00:15:00 ◼   ► years.

00:15:00 ◼   ► It's a good display, but it's and has a lot of niceties, right?

00:15:05 ◼   ► Like the camera, the speakers, it all plugs in.

00:15:08 ◼   ► But that panel's old, man.

00:15:09 ◼   ► Like five K at twenty seven inches is a good size, but I don't

00:15:14 ◼   ► think it's a problem.

00:15:16 ◼   ► I'm using one right now.

00:15:17 ◼   ► I'm using my old one and it looks fantastic.

00:15:20 ◼   ► Like I If you don't care about the OLED stuff.

00:15:23 ◼   ► That text is really rendering, man.

00:15:25 ◼   ► It's rendering so hot.

00:15:26 ◼   ► It's really good at rendering it.

00:15:28 ◼   ► I would say If you care about the niceties and I don't know, is

00:15:33 ◼   ► the PG27 UCDM, is that OLED?

00:15:36 ◼   ► It is OLED.

00:15:37 ◼   ► If you don't care about OLED and you can get a deal on the

00:15:41 ◼   ► studio display, like it's not, it's not, I don't think, a mistake to get

00:15:45 ◼   ► to studio display.

00:15:46 ◼   ► It's just you gotta know what you're getting into, you know?

00:15:50 ◼   ► Your your black levels aren't gonna be so black.

00:15:52 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:15:54 ◼   ► Mike, you put a tiny topic in.

00:15:56 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:57 ◼   ► That I wasn't expecting to see in the document when I opened it this

00:16:00 ◼   ► morning.

00:16:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:01 ◼   ► I mean there's no real way to to like transition to this, but we

00:16:04 ◼   ► we're doing it anyway.

00:16:06 ◼   ► So this week marks the fifteenth anniversary of the death of Steve Jobs.

00:16:11 ◼   ► So I I've been seeing a lot of like posts about it um on

00:16:14 ◼   ► various websites and social media platforms this week.

00:16:18 ◼   ► And I I just thought that like fifteen, that's a kind of a big

00:16:22 ◼   ► enough

00:16:23 ◼   ► number that I wanted to just you know, just take a minute about it.

00:16:28 ◼   ► And I especially I'm feeling like a little more nostalgic at the moment because

00:16:33 ◼   ► I'm Steve Jobs is becoming a character more like active in my life than

00:16:39 ◼   ► he has been in a really long time because I'm thinking about him more,

00:16:44 ◼   ► I'm talking about him more, I'm watching videos, I'm clipping his voice in you

00:16:49 ◼   ► know, like I he's just more he's looming more large in my life again.

00:16:54 ◼   ► And And so I'm being kind of like reminded of him and mostly like

00:17:00 ◼   ► in a I mean that's obvious I'm I'm

00:17:04 ◼   ► getting so far ahead now, but like the the next episode of series of

00:17:10 ◼   ► Design in California after the one we're about to do is about when he

00:17:13 ◼   ► leaves Apple for the first time.

00:17:14 ◼   ► So like I'm very focused as well on like some of the really weird

00:17:18 ◼   ► decisions he makes in his life, which are interesting.

00:17:20 ◼   ► But I'm I'm just spending a lot of time and my YouTube algorithm now

00:17:25 ◼   ► is only wants to show me clips of old keynotes.

00:17:28 ◼   ► So I have been watching a as someone who I never click on anything

00:17:32 ◼   ► in the YouTube algorithm.

00:17:33 ◼   ► This is probably why it keeps doing it.

00:17:34 ◼   ► Yes.

00:17:35 ◼   ► I have recently started clicking on oh, I would like to see him introduce

00:17:39 ◼   ► the Unibody MacBook Pro for the first time.

00:17:42 ◼   ► And so now it's like, oh finally this man has clicked on something on

00:17:45 ◼   ► the homepage.

00:17:46 ◼   ► Let's keep showing him this stuff.

00:17:48 ◼   ► But I am actually interested in seeing these things.

00:17:51 ◼   ► And I'm just like I just think it cannot be overstated the influence that

00:17:56 ◼   ► he had on technology presentation.

00:17:59 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:18:00 ◼   ► Like

00:18:02 ◼   ► every

00:18:04 ◼   ► keynote video I've seen of even the products that seem so inconsequential in Apple's

00:18:11 ◼   ► history, like the transition to a unibody MacBook Pro, like they're just better than

00:18:17 ◼   ► anything we have now from anyone.

00:18:20 ◼   ► Like nobody I nobody can talk about a consumer technology product like he could.

00:18:28 ◼   ► It's unmatched.

00:18:29 ◼   ► His presentation ability is just

00:18:33 ◼   ► it's just unparalleled.

00:18:35 ◼   ► Like no one is even close to it.

00:18:37 ◼   ► Like and many people are trying.

00:18:39 ◼   ► And maybe that's the problem is that they're trying.

00:18:41 ◼   ► Um because they're they're not developing their own, like a lot of people are

00:18:45 ◼   ► just not developing their own skill.

00:18:46 ◼   ► They're just and I guess maybe it's all just too corporate now, right?

00:18:50 ◼   ► Like that's the problem.

00:18:51 ◼   ► It's like everyone wants to be Steve Jobs, but they also want to be

00:18:53 ◼   ► like as media trained as possible.

00:18:55 ◼   ► And like those two things just don't don't align.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Um and yeah, I just I just also just in kind of this year,

00:19:04 ◼   ► right, for the fiftieth, there's been a lot of retrospective too.

00:19:07 ◼   ► And so like we're hearing from people that we didn't really hear from very

00:19:10 ◼   ► much before.

00:19:11 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:19:12 ◼   ► Um and I was remarking on this because uh Jason just recorded an interview

00:19:16 ◼   ► with Ron Johnson.

00:19:17 ◼   ► It's the Apple store guy.

00:19:19 ◼   ► Um we it's an episode for Design in California Publish to Members and we're

00:19:23 ◼   ► publishing to everyone by the end of this week.

00:19:25 ◼   ► We just thought it made sense to just release it because he's got a

00:19:27 ◼   ► book to promote, so let's give him the opportunity to do that if he

00:19:30 ◼   ► wants to come on the show.

00:19:31 ◼   ► And I'm hearing him tell his stories about

00:19:35 ◼   ► the Apple store and his Steve Jobs stories, and I feel like we are

00:19:38 ◼   ► robbed of the ability to hear stories from Steve Jobs, which we could actually

00:19:42 ◼   ► be hearing now, right?

00:19:44 ◼   ► Like

00:19:46 ◼   ► he may have been in a time in his life right now where he

00:19:50 ◼   ► would be willing to talk more and share more than he did when he

00:19:54 ◼   ► was alive.

00:19:55 ◼   ► And I just think that it is so unbelievably sad that we don't get

00:20:00 ◼   ► to hear him talk about his thinking and his decision making.

00:20:06 ◼   ► Like

00:20:08 ◼   ► One of the most important people in the history of the world and technology.

00:20:14 ◼   ► And he wouldn't have been that old now, right?

00:20:17 ◼   ► And he still would have been probably active in the business and talking about

00:20:22 ◼   ► it and sharing stories about the iPod and sharing stories about the Mac and

00:20:26 ◼   ► the iPhone and the iPad and we just don't get to hear 'em.

00:20:29 ◼   ► And I just I've just been reflecting on it this week at just how

00:20:32 ◼   ► sad I find that.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Um and s just how cruel uh the world can be sometimes.

00:20:38 ◼   ► So there you go.

00:20:39 ◼   ► That's my thoughts on on on Steve Jobs right now.

00:20:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I I remember that day, um, actually very clearly we were sitting at

00:20:47 ◼   ► dinner, Mary and I were sitting at dinner with um a couple friends of

00:20:51 ◼   ► ours and then we so we were like at dinner having burgers and like

00:20:58 ◼   ► it may have been one of the two of you texted me It was

00:21:00 ◼   ► like, Hey, this is like did you see this?

00:21:03 ◼   ► Um and then we walked over and saw a deathcap concert.

00:21:06 ◼   ► Um That feels fitting.

00:21:08 ◼   ► It was very serene.

00:21:11 ◼   ► I was also at that venue, the first overcast beta I got.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Surely it wasn't the same day.

00:21:18 ◼   ► It surely it was a different concert.

00:21:19 ◼   ► No, it wasn't the same day.

00:21:20 ◼   ► No overcast was in twenty fourteen.

00:21:22 ◼   ► Okay.

00:21:22 ◼   ► It was a different concert then.

00:21:24 ◼   ► Um very, very long.

00:21:26 ◼   ► Yeah, don't ask me what yeah.

00:21:28 ◼   ► It's just a s it's just a sea of sad music and

00:21:32 ◼   ► looking at your phone.

00:21:33 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:21:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:35 ◼   ► But yeah, it it's hard to believe.

00:21:38 ◼   ► Uh it's it's fifteen years and the number that really gets me is that

00:21:42 ◼   ► means Apple was only thirty five years old when he passed and now Apple's

00:21:46 ◼   ► fifty.

00:21:47 ◼   ► That I mean breaks my brain a little bit.

00:21:51 ◼   ► Like we're not it's like it's not that far away really until he's been

00:21:58 ◼   ► gone for half of the company's life.

00:22:00 ◼   ► Like it's it's not s right around the corner, but when you say it

00:22:04 ◼   ► like that, it's like, oh, that is a time in the not too distant

00:22:08 ◼   ► fut like not like super far future.

00:22:11 ◼   ► No which is just I mean hopefully we'll see it.

00:22:13 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:22:13 ◼   ► That'll be what?

00:22:14 ◼   ► Um

00:22:16 ◼   ► twenty years from now.

00:22:18 ◼   ► I think we'll see it.

00:22:19 ◼   ► I I feel somewhat confident in that.

00:22:21 ◼   ► I mean, I'm sure will see it.

00:22:22 ◼   ► We're gonna we gonna see it.

00:22:24 ◼   ► You think I'm not gonna live twenty years?

00:22:26 ◼   ► I mean, I hope you I hope you live forever.

00:22:28 ◼   ► What a thing to say when we're talking about someone dying young.

00:22:32 ◼   ► You just never know.

00:22:33 ◼   ► You might not make it.

00:22:34 ◼   ► You might not make it.

00:22:34 ◼   ► You just never know, man.

00:22:35 ◼   ► You might life is short.

00:22:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Well Oh wow, Steven.

00:22:39 ◼   ► Okay, we get it.

00:22:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:41 ◼   ► Look I just watched succession, so I'm all in on Living Plus if anyone

00:22:44 ◼   ► has any reference possible for remembering what that is, but that's me.

00:22:48 ◼   ► I'm going for that.

00:22:49 ◼   ► Okay.

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00:24:45 ◼   ► Federico, tell us about Deflector.

00:24:47 ◼   ► I read this article and I'm not sure how it works.

00:24:51 ◼   ► Okay, so this is an interesting idea.

00:24:53 ◼   ► Every once in a while, uh I come across some

00:24:59 ◼   ► interesting iOS utility with a based on like a genius idea that I've never

00:25:04 ◼   ► seen before.

00:25:05 ◼   ► And when I see it, it instantly makes sense.

00:25:07 ◼   ► So this is a a launcher

00:25:11 ◼   ► for shortcuts.

00:25:13 ◼   ► We have seen this before.

00:25:15 ◼   ► Um and they were always based on URL schemes.

00:25:20 ◼   ► Um the Shortcuts app by Apple has a built-in URL scheme that you can

00:25:26 ◼   ► use.

00:25:27 ◼   ► It's actually powered by X callback URL.

00:25:30 ◼   ► You may remember this technology from 15 years ago or something like that.

00:25:35 ◼   ► There's actually a documentation page on on Apple.com about the shortcuts URL scheme.

00:25:40 ◼   ► It lets you open shortcuts and it lets you run specific shortcuts.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Uh these launchers that were based on URL schemes became less effective the moment

00:25:52 ◼   ► that Apple shipped the native interactive shortcuts widget a few years ago.

00:25:58 ◼   ► Uh because with the shortcuts widget on your home screen, you can just run

00:26:02 ◼   ► shortcuts without leaving the home screen, right?

00:26:05 ◼   ► Uh they call an app intent, it executes the shortcut in the background, and

00:26:11 ◼   ► it's the same when you want to use the action button or when you

00:26:14 ◼   ► want to run a shortcut from a control in control center or the lock

00:26:19 ◼   ► screen.

00:26:20 ◼   ► This person behind the flector had the following idea.

00:26:26 ◼   ► What if you could have a shortcuts launcher in a live activity?

00:26:32 ◼   ► So it works in the dynamic island and it works on the locks on

00:26:36 ◼   ► the lock screen and it lets you put multiple shortcuts icons in there.

00:26:43 ◼   ► So you can have a grid of, I don't know, ten of your favorite

00:26:47 ◼   ► shortcuts.

00:26:48 ◼   ► And they're always a single swipe away from the dynamic island.

00:26:53 ◼   ► Um

00:26:55 ◼   ► but what if the shortcuts, like the Apple shortcuts widget, could run in the

00:27:01 ◼   ► background?

00:27:02 ◼   ► Now technically that's not possible, right?

00:27:04 ◼   ► Because developers cannot just invoke an Apple shortcut in the background on iOS and

00:27:10 ◼   ► iPad OS.

00:27:11 ◼   ► This person figured it out, and it's based on a really clever workaround.

00:27:16 ◼   ► And this is quite meta.

00:27:18 ◼   ► The workaround is powered by shortcuts itself.

00:27:22 ◼   ► The idea is that you install this app, and this app comes with a

00:27:27 ◼   ► companion shortcut.

00:27:29 ◼   ► The companion shortcut is an iOS.

00:27:33 ◼   ► 27 shortcuts automation because those are now shareable.

00:27:39 ◼   ► That's one of the changes that they have made.

00:27:41 ◼   ► You can now make any shortcut into an automation and you can share that

00:27:46 ◼   ► automation with people.

00:27:47 ◼   ► You install the shortcut that contains the automation.

00:27:50 ◼   ► You just flip it on and it's enabled on your device.

00:27:55 ◼   ► It goes a little bit deeper.

00:27:56 ◼   ► Please interrupt me if you're not following me.

00:28:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:28:01 ◼   ► Okay?

00:28:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:02 ◼   ► I understand.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Okay.

00:28:05 ◼   ► This app installs an automation

00:28:09 ◼   ► in shortcuts that has a trigger.

00:28:13 ◼   ► The trigger is one of the new ones for iOS 27,

00:28:19 ◼   ► which is the notification trigger.

00:28:22 ◼   ► Okay.

00:28:24 ◼   ► The notification trigger in shortcuts lets you run actions based on the kind of

00:28:31 ◼   ► notification that you get.

00:28:33 ◼   ► So for example, let's say you want your your kitchen lights to turn red

00:28:37 ◼   ► when your um food delivery uh person is nearby.

00:28:42 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:28:42 ◼   ► You put together a shortcuts automation that when you're getting a notification from Uber

00:28:47 ◼   ► Eats and when it contains a specific title, like the word nearby, it runs

00:28:53 ◼   ► some actions in shortcuts to turn your kitchen lights red.

00:28:57 ◼   ► Deflector does the same thing

00:29:00 ◼   ► but to let you run shortcuts.

00:29:03 ◼   ► So when you tap on the dynamic island that the fle on in the

00:29:08 ◼   ► live activity that deflector generates,

00:29:12 ◼   ► Deflector sends a silent notification to itself

00:29:18 ◼   ► that you don't see

00:29:20 ◼   ► containing the name of the shortcut you want to run.

00:29:23 ◼   ► That silent notification triggers the companion shortcuts in the shortcuts app and it runs

00:29:31 ◼   ► the shortcut you selected using the run shortcuts action.

00:29:35 ◼   ► Jeez.

00:29:36 ◼   ► I can't believe it works with a silent notification.

00:29:38 ◼   ► That's the thing that's really weird to me.

00:29:40 ◼   ► It feels like that shouldn't be that part shouldn't they shouldn't have done that

00:29:45 ◼   ► bit.

00:29:46 ◼   ► You know?

00:29:46 ◼   ► Like I feel like hmm maybe not that bit.

00:29:49 ◼   ► Is this one of those things that now we've drawn attention to it and

00:29:53 ◼   ► Mac stories drew attention to it, Apple's like, wait a second.

00:29:56 ◼   ► Like they're not doing anything wrong.

00:29:58 ◼   ► It's just it's just clever.

00:29:59 ◼   ► Possibly.

00:30:00 ◼   ► I mean, you have to install their shortcut though.

00:30:04 ◼   ► Like it's it doesn't right, Federico?

00:30:07 ◼   ► Like this won't work unless you install their shortcut.

00:30:10 ◼   ► Precisely.

00:30:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:12 ◼   ► So there's a lot of things a user has to do.

00:30:15 ◼   ► This person did a lot of plumbing to get this right.

00:30:20 ◼   ► They also have a special app intent.

00:30:23 ◼   ► Uh, for example, this app can also retrieve the name the the list of

00:30:28 ◼   ► your shortcuts and they have a special app intent for um

00:30:34 ◼   ► for deflector that sort of makes this connection between the app and between the

00:30:39 ◼   ► shortcuts action and the automation.

00:30:42 ◼   ► It's uh it is very convoluted when I describe it.

00:30:46 ◼   ► When you set it up

00:30:48 ◼   ► you basically enable the automation once and then you just design your live activity

00:30:53 ◼   ► and you don't think about this stuff anymore.

00:30:55 ◼   ► I just I just wanted to talk about the the technicality of it.

00:30:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:00 ◼   ► Because I'm already seeing um some open source projects pick this up as a

00:31:05 ◼   ► technique for running shortcuts.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Um as far as I know, this person invented it.

00:31:12 ◼   ► Um this sort of like self-notification technique as a way to run shortcuts on

00:31:18 ◼   ► the user's device.

00:31:20 ◼   ► It's interesting to imagine a world where OpenAI copies this for Chat GPT on

00:31:26 ◼   ► iOS or something like that.

00:31:28 ◼   ► Maybe that's not gonna happen.

00:31:30 ◼   ► But I can't imagine them trying to talk to people how to install a

00:31:34 ◼   ► shortcut.

00:31:35 ◼   ► But it's technically possible.

00:31:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:39 ◼   ► So I think the thing that I I I think it's interesting, the technology's

00:31:44 ◼   ► interesting.

00:31:44 ◼   ► But like I d I just feel like I'd I don't know if I

00:31:47 ◼   ► want a like uh to live activity running all the time.

00:31:52 ◼   ► But it's gonna be y messy UI wise.

00:31:55 ◼   ► It's an ac it's an acquired it's an acquired taste.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:59 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:00 ◼   ► So what are you are you running it like all day?

00:32:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:05 ◼   ► Okay, and what's in there?

00:32:06 ◼   ► What what what what so there's buttons you press, right?

00:32:09 ◼   ► And then it runs the thing, does whatever it is.

00:32:12 ◼   ► Yeah yeah.

00:32:12 ◼   ► So there's Apple Frames.

00:32:14 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:15 ◼   ► Obviously.

00:32:16 ◼   ► Uh it's really four shortcuts that I have.

00:32:19 ◼   ► There's Apple Frames, upload images.

00:32:22 ◼   ► Um so whenever I w I need to like upload something to the MacStories

00:32:25 ◼   ► C DN.

00:32:26 ◼   ► Uh quick task and quick note.

00:32:28 ◼   ► And those are like one that quickly creates a reminder in the reminders app

00:32:33 ◼   ► and one that creates a quick note in the notes app.

00:32:36 ◼   ► I I have a app suggestion for uh quick reminders.

00:32:41 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:32:42 ◼   ► Unrelated.

00:32:45 ◼   ► That really killed that really killed it.

00:32:47 ◼   ► It is like really the momentum.

00:32:48 ◼   ► Jim, leave it in.

00:32:49 ◼   ► The um the momentum.

00:32:51 ◼   ► I want to say we had a lot of feedback.

00:32:53 ◼   ► I didn't put it in the show, but I'm bringing it now.

00:32:55 ◼   ► People like the weirdness that we leave in the edit.

00:32:58 ◼   ► Saying again, the the four people who wrote in are the four people and

00:33:04 ◼   ► that's Well the the other uh, you know, four point two million people who

00:33:08 ◼   ► listen who don't like it and say anything.

00:33:12 ◼   ► They stopped listening.

00:33:14 ◼   ► Wow.

00:33:14 ◼   ► There's only four listeners left now.

00:33:16 ◼   ► We've gone from four point two million, which we never had, to four, which

00:33:19 ◼   ► we also never have.

00:33:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:20 ◼   ► That is unfortunate, but that's what you've done.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Federico, I have a question about uh sort of about using live activities in

00:33:27 ◼   ► this way, because it it does seem to me that a lot of developers

00:33:32 ◼   ► have um have found ways to use the live activity that seem not like

00:33:38 ◼   ► its original intention.

00:33:39 ◼   ► Like I think about this.

00:33:40 ◼   ► I think about when I see any screenshots from OTJ he has a little

00:33:44 ◼   ► lab activity that has your time in it.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Which is like, man, just subtract six.

00:33:49 ◼   ► Like it's not anyways.

00:33:50 ◼   ► Um, add six.

00:33:52 ◼   ► I know where you live.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Oh, see you got it wrong.

00:33:55 ◼   ► You're like, oh do I join?

00:33:57 ◼   ► And then you immediately got it wrong.

00:33:59 ◼   ► It's four twenty seven PM for Mike, five twenty seven PM for Federico.

00:34:02 ◼   ► I know what time it is.

00:34:04 ◼   ► Um Well, your menu bar told you at least.

00:34:07 ◼   ► No, I just I can count.

00:34:08 ◼   ► Do you think, Federico, that Apple intends live activities to be used sort of

00:34:14 ◼   ► as this like not really like a menu bar app, but it's not not

00:34:19 ◼   ► unlike a menu bar app.

00:34:20 ◼   ► Or or do you think like the horse is out of the out of

00:34:24 ◼   ► the barn and this is what it is now?

00:34:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:29 ◼   ► I I I feel like the the live activity space is um

00:34:37 ◼   ► especially with with potentially like a new um home pad.

00:34:42 ◼   ► What are we gonna call this thing?

00:34:43 ◼   ► Are we deciding?

00:34:43 ◼   ► I think it's called the home pad.

00:34:45 ◼   ► Well like

00:34:46 ◼   ► sorry.

00:34:46 ◼   ► I think people call it the homepad.

00:34:48 ◼   ► And I liked that name name.

00:34:50 ◼   ► Like m I've been calling it that for a while on upgrade.

00:34:53 ◼   ► I think it's just a fun way to I think it's better than the

00:34:56 ◼   ► Apple Home Hub as like a just a thing that we call it until

00:34:59 ◼   ► it gets announced next week and then it has a name that nobody expected,

00:35:02 ◼   ► you know?

00:35:03 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:35:05 ◼   ► I feel like w especially with that device on the horizon, I feel like

00:35:09 ◼   ► the the It so quickly just went back to that device.

00:35:13 ◼   ► It's like, I don't know I can't do this.

00:35:14 ◼   ► I just th I I I can until it's official, I cannot bring myself

00:35:18 ◼   ► to say homepad.

00:35:19 ◼   ► Um okay, with the homepad on the horizon.

00:35:23 ◼   ► Um I feel like increasingly the live activity as a way for for um

00:35:28 ◼   ► for an app to to sort of maintain its presence in the background in

00:35:33 ◼   ► the users.

00:35:35 ◼   ► Space, I think, is gonna be increasingly important.

00:35:39 ◼   ► Uh

00:35:40 ◼   ► so I don't know.

00:35:41 ◼   ► I feel like I've seen all kinds of takes on the lab activity and

00:35:44 ◼   ► dynamic island.

00:35:45 ◼   ► Some of them are really bad, and some of them are really useless, some

00:35:48 ◼   ► of them are actually great.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Like um th this one I think it's a it's a fun and novel

00:35:54 ◼   ► workaround.

00:35:55 ◼   ► Um I love, for example, the the um the the agents that have live

00:36:01 ◼   ► activities that show you like multiple agents working in the background, for example, that

00:36:06 ◼   ► is a genuinely useful thing.

00:36:08 ◼   ► And especially when like T3 code, for example, it's this really great Mac app

00:36:14 ◼   ► for using um either either Claude or Codex, um, like in in the same

00:36:18 ◼   ► UI, basically.

00:36:20 ◼   ► And they have the iOS companion app that connects to your Mac.

00:36:24 ◼   ► And when one when either agent is done on your Mac, um, the live

00:36:28 ◼   ► activity shows you that.

00:36:30 ◼   ► And it's even nicer because it can automatically expand to show you that something

00:36:35 ◼   ► is done remotely and then it shrinks again on its own.

00:36:39 ◼   ► Like it's really nicely done.

00:36:41 ◼   ► Really nicely done.

00:36:42 ◼   ► So so yeah.

00:36:43 ◼   ► Um I am incredibly curious to see what happens with live activities on the

00:36:48 ◼   ► homeped.

00:36:49 ◼   ► No, I don't know.

00:36:50 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:36:52 ◼   ► I would say that the social media has been a bull ablaze in the

00:36:57 ◼   ► last couple of days with the news that Mark Gurman is reporting at Bloomberg

00:37:02 ◼   ► that Apple has partnered with LG to make some smart home products like doorbells,

00:37:07 ◼   ► thermostats, cameras and a bunch of other bits and bobs.

00:37:11 ◼   ► Uh it seems like this is all being positioned to launch alongside the new

00:37:16 ◼   ► homepad product and a refreshed home strategy from Apple, which we're also expecting may

00:37:22 ◼   ► begin next week.

00:37:24 ◼   ► It it there seems like the stars are aligning for maybe some of this

00:37:27 ◼   ► stuff to be released on Tuesday.

00:37:29 ◼   ► I was expecting them to do like Apple Experience, like the Neo, but it

00:37:34 ◼   ► doesn't they haven't pre announced anything.

00:37:36 ◼   ► So who knows?

00:37:37 ◼   ► Like maybe at this point it's just gonna be a press release or it's

00:37:40 ◼   ► not gonna be next week, or who knows?

00:37:42 ◼   ► The L G these LG products though, they are LG products.

00:37:45 ◼   ► Like there's been some v F C C filings that show them off.

00:37:49 ◼   ► They're not Apple products that are being made by LG.

00:37:53 ◼   ► It's not like they're like Apple designed them and LG's manufacturing them with l

00:37:59 ◼   ► with them.

00:38:00 ◼   ► It feels a lot like how they've worked with Logitech on iPad products in

00:38:04 ◼   ► the past where Apple tells Logitech, This is what we're building, can you work

00:38:10 ◼   ► with us to build a product that supports it?

00:38:12 ◼   ► Do you think Apple only does this with companies with L and G in

00:38:15 ◼   ► the name?

00:38:16 ◼   ► Yeah, You got Logitech.

00:38:18 ◼   ► It's possible.

00:38:19 ◼   ► You got whatever LG stands for.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Life's good.

00:38:22 ◼   ► Life is good is a different company.

00:38:25 ◼   ► No, no, no.

00:38:26 ◼   ► That's what it stands for.

00:38:27 ◼   ► No, no.

00:38:28 ◼   ► There's life's good.

00:38:29 ◼   ► And there's life's good.

00:38:31 ◼   ► But LG is life's good.

00:38:35 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:38:36 ◼   ► Uh these are known as second party suppliers, uh, which is a term that

00:38:41 ◼   ► I think makes a lot of sense to people that play video games, uh,

00:38:45 ◼   ► where it's essentially this company gets privileged information uh ahead of time and then

00:38:50 ◼   ► they're able to go and produce what they need to produce.

00:38:53 ◼   ► I feel like I'm seeing a lot of people fundamentally misunderstand what this is.

00:38:59 ◼   ► Mm-hmm Um it feels that there is a perception that LG is like making

00:39:05 ◼   ► Apple's smart home products, but they're not.

00:39:08 ◼   ► That is not what is happening.

00:39:10 ◼   ► Like LG is making LG's smart home products, but Apple is helping them work

00:39:16 ◼   ► best for Apple Home and what they want their offering to be.

00:39:19 ◼   ► And then nine to five Mac published something from someone who's very prolific right

00:39:24 ◼   ► now at doing what we've been talking about, like the codes belunking as someone

00:39:28 ◼   ► who goes by the handle PDFU.

00:39:31 ◼   ► This quote here from Nantify Mac found evidence in twenty seven point two of

00:39:35 ◼   ► two additional home accessories designated as second party products.

00:39:38 ◼   ► These accessories are a Schneider branded smart thermostat and a temperature humidity sensor.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Like I think what's happening here is Apple is going to some companies and

00:39:48 ◼   ► they're like, We want to make a big push in the smart home.

00:39:52 ◼   ► We're making changes to our smart home platform possibly.

00:39:55 ◼   ► Uh but we're also gonna try and really push on this.

00:39:58 ◼   ► We're gonna have our own products in the future, and so we want but

00:40:01 ◼   ► we're not gonna do everything.

00:40:02 ◼   ► And so we would like there to be a bigger ecosystem and we're gonna

00:40:06 ◼   ► give marketing opportunities to you, we're gonna put you in our store and all

00:40:11 ◼   ► of this kind of stuff, right?

00:40:12 ◼   ► And like when we announce these products, we're gonna have a press release and

00:40:15 ◼   ► you're gonna be in the press release and we're gonna make some videos and

00:40:18 ◼   ► we're gonna show people unlocking their home with your uh lock and changing the

00:40:24 ◼   ► temperature with your thermostat.

00:40:26 ◼   ► Like because Apple's also working on their own smart home products.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Mark Gurman has reported this before.

00:40:32 ◼   ► There's been reports recently and even in the report that he published to Bloomberg,

00:40:37 ◼   ► says that they are continuing to work on their own products, quote, including a

00:40:41 ◼   ► privacy centric home monitoring device.

00:40:44 ◼   ► So I just i I think everybody needs to like settle down a little

00:40:49 ◼   ► on this story.

00:40:51 ◼   ► Like LG is making smart home products and Apple is like, We will integrate

00:40:57 ◼   ► them into our home hub and we will put them in our store and

00:41:00 ◼   ► we will show them off in videos.

00:41:02 ◼   ► Like that's what's happening here.

00:41:03 ◼   ► They're not like it's not like I think I saw Dan Moran compare it

00:41:07 ◼   ► to the Motorola Rocca.

00:41:08 ◼   ► It's like Dan, it's not that.

00:41:09 ◼   ► It's not that.

00:41:10 ◼   ► It's it's a different thing.

00:41:12 ◼   ► Like it's it's it's not like, oh hey, we're we're so entwined of each

00:41:16 ◼   ► other.

00:41:17 ◼   ► It's more just the it's the Logitech Crayon and the Logitech whatever iPad case.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Like they're just like they're they're products that are out there, but they've been

00:41:27 ◼   ► given some kind of like pre-information about it.

00:41:30 ◼   ► Which makes sense, right?

00:41:32 ◼   ► If you're Apple and you were trying to breathe new life into the home

00:41:37 ◼   ► kit ecosystem and you have this new product that's going to be at the

00:41:41 ◼   ► center of it, hopefully for a lot of people, that's the time where you

00:41:45 ◼   ► announce, hey, there's there's in addition to all the home kit stuff that we've

00:41:49 ◼   ► had for years, here's a new wave of things.

00:41:51 ◼   ► And and maybe they have some some sort of advancements that other people will

00:41:55 ◼   ► get.

00:41:56 ◼   ► Uh I I think that makes perfect sense.

00:41:58 ◼   ► Um, because I think the other thing that people have kind of forgotten about

00:42:01 ◼   ► in this conversation is like Apple has a home platform.

00:42:05 ◼   ► They don't have a centralized controller beyond Siri, but HomeKit is all all over

00:42:12 ◼   ► the place now.

00:42:13 ◼   ► And you can use matter and thread to bring it all together.

00:42:16 ◼   ► And so this idea that like Apple's starting from zero or like they're jumpstarting

00:42:21 ◼   ► a home strategy, like they have a home strategy.

00:42:23 ◼   ► It's not very fleshed out.

00:42:25 ◼   ► Right.

00:42:26 ◼   ► This is this is an expansion of it.

00:42:29 ◼   ► And you want people like LG to be making things.

00:42:33 ◼   ► You want companies like Akkara and Belkin and all these other smart home manufacturers

00:42:41 ◼   ► to be on board with what you're doing.

00:42:44 ◼   ► And I'm sure can say, look, these guys are doing it right.

00:42:47 ◼   ► Of course behind the scenes we know that we helped them do it right.

00:42:50 ◼   ► But it's um this stuff's not going to have an Apple logo on it

00:42:54 ◼   ► right?

00:42:54 ◼   ► It's gonna have an LG logo on it.

00:42:55 ◼   ► Or, you know, if LG has some sort of home brand I'm unaware of,

00:42:58 ◼   ► it'll be labeled like that.

00:43:00 ◼   ► And down the road, if Apple has their own first party stuff, then that

00:43:04 ◼   ► just furthers the ecosystem.

00:43:06 ◼   ► That I'm I'm actually more curious about than this.

00:43:08 ◼   ► The LG thing's imp really simple to understand.

00:43:11 ◼   ► What happens in the ecosystem when Apple starts making hardware?

00:43:14 ◼   ► Like if they if Apple makes a lock, one it'll be seven hundred dollars.

00:43:18 ◼   ► But if they made a lock, is like is that cool the market and

00:43:21 ◼   ► other smart locks that work with home kit.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Like that I think is more interesting to consider than than what this is.

00:43:30 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:43:31 ◼   ► And I just think that even if they do make their own stuff, they're

00:43:34 ◼   ► gonna go for the simpler things, right?

00:43:37 ◼   ► Like a camera is just easier to produce and sell to a mass market

00:43:45 ◼   ► than a lock.

00:43:46 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:43:47 ◼   ► Because locks differ country to country.

00:43:49 ◼   ► They differ home to home, right?

00:43:51 ◼   ► Like the type of lock mechanism you may have.

00:43:54 ◼   ► Like it's and it's complicated to install, right?

00:43:57 ◼   ► Like more than just plug this camera into power and put it somewhere you

00:44:01 ◼   ► want in your home.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Like that's that's easy much, much easier to do.

00:44:05 ◼   ► And if Apple does a camera, it's gonna be pretty much the best looking

00:44:09 ◼   ► smart home camera that's out there.

00:44:11 ◼   ► I mean, if they use a sensor even on a three or four year

00:44:14 ◼   ► old iPhone, it's gonna look better than most of what's on the market now.

00:44:18 ◼   ► Well, actually, Steven, uh again, I'm very in the rumors.

00:44:21 ◼   ► So the current rumor, and I don't really understand this.

00:44:25 ◼   ► The current rumor for Apple's camera is you won't be able to look at

00:44:28 ◼   ► the image.

00:44:30 ◼   ► Ugh.

00:44:31 ◼   ► It will describe to you in text.

00:44:34 ◼   ► No, I don't want to read a paragraph about what happened.

00:44:37 ◼   ► I just but it's privacy.

00:44:38 ◼   ► It's like how the Apple Watch doesn't record you.

00:44:40 ◼   ► It's just video flows through the camera.

00:44:43 ◼   ► The Apple Watch doesn't record.

00:44:44 ◼   ► And then it just gives you a text readout of what of what's happening.

00:44:48 ◼   ► I don't want to read a paragraph

00:44:51 ◼   ► about a person in a brown truck pulled up to my house and walked

00:44:56 ◼   ► down the driveway and put a box at the door and then walked up

00:44:59 ◼   ► the driveway and left.

00:45:01 ◼   ► Apple the a this Apple camera will make a podcast for you.

00:45:04 ◼   ► Just show me a clip of the guy in the truck.

00:45:06 ◼   ► They make like fanfiction of your life.

00:45:10 ◼   ► This is the problem with like the f the Fitbit, like the Google health

00:45:15 ◼   ► coaching stuff.

00:45:17 ◼   ► So many things like it's just all so wordy 'cause L LMs love their

00:45:20 ◼   ► own voice.

00:45:21 ◼   ► Like just Mm-hmm.

00:45:22 ◼   ► Just show me the clip.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Well, they're wordy because they they gotta they gotta fill those tokens up, man.

00:45:28 ◼   ► They're yeah, they're wordy because they they learned from people on uh Stack Overflow.

00:45:33 ◼   ► But geez, come on.

00:45:34 ◼   ► I don't I don't get that joke, but I don't know, I just it's

00:45:37 ◼   ► more just like a stack overflow burn.

00:45:39 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:45:39 ◼   ► But yeah, that's so stupid.

00:45:41 ◼   ► Just like show me the camera.

00:45:43 ◼   ► Like just show me show me the clip.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Anyways.

00:45:47 ◼   ► Anyways.

00:45:48 ◼   ► Um this is supposedly happening at least some of this is happening next week.

00:45:54 ◼   ► That's wild.

00:45:55 ◼   ► I'm excited about it.

00:45:57 ◼   ► Me too.

00:45:58 ◼   ► I'm I'm I want this hum hub product.

00:46:01 ◼   ► Like I I want it.

00:46:02 ◼   ► Um I know I just called it Home Hub after saying I wouldn't call

00:46:06 ◼   ► it that.

00:46:06 ◼   ► I'm I'm lost in my own words now.

00:46:08 ◼   ► But I'm excited.

00:46:09 ◼   ► I I want

00:46:11 ◼   ► I want a product in my house to show photos of my family.

00:46:15 ◼   ► That's like number one, right?

00:46:17 ◼   ► And have uh I I've been m wanting to get an aura frame for

00:46:21 ◼   ► a while.

00:46:22 ◼   ► I bought one from my mum and I really like that product, but I

00:46:25 ◼   ► don't have two things that will show the photos in the kitchen.

00:46:29 ◼   ► And I you know, we've been expecting this product for such a long time

00:46:33 ◼   ► and it keeps getting pushed back, but now I guess Siri AI will do

00:46:38 ◼   ► what they need for it to do.

00:46:40 ◼   ► I'm very intrigued about the most recent rumour that it th the one that

00:46:43 ◼   ► is actually coming now is going to look like the IMAC G four.

00:46:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:49 ◼   ► Is the suggestion.

00:46:50 ◼   ► And it is not the one that is coming later that is gonna look

00:46:53 ◼   ► like that, which was an original uh report a long time ago.

00:46:57 ◼   ► So yeah I I think it's gonna look cool.

00:46:59 ◼   ► I'm very intrigued to see how it will all work, how the technology will

00:47:03 ◼   ► work, um, and how useful a product like this will be.

00:47:07 ◼   ► And I also hope that it will force Apple to take a look at

00:47:11 ◼   ► the home app again, you know and like think about that ecosystem.

00:47:15 ◼   ► Think about how that works, like how easy it is to create automations.

00:47:20 ◼   ► And it just really put a bit more just put more effort into it.

00:47:23 ◼   ► They made a they made improvements to the home app over time, but smart

00:47:27 ◼   ► home technology is just inherently finicky and flaky and also a bit kind of

00:47:35 ◼   ► distributed um still, even though things like them like matter exist, like there's still

00:47:41 ◼   ► a bit too much distribution.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I still have more apps to control things in my home than I want

00:47:46 ◼   ► to.

00:47:47 ◼   ► Um and so I hope that if Apple kind of really puts a lot

00:47:51 ◼   ► of effort in here.

00:47:52 ◼   ► And I think working with manufacturers and like encouraging them to produce products, if

00:47:58 ◼   ► they kind of like really push on this over time, I'm confident that this

00:48:02 ◼   ► technology will get better.

00:48:05 ◼   ► Yeah, uh I hope so.

00:48:06 ◼   ► Um man, the iMac G four design though, it's like just

00:48:11 ◼   ► it would be so that it will people will buy it just because of

00:48:15 ◼   ► how it looks, right?

00:48:16 ◼   ► Which is like that's step one.

00:48:18 ◼   ► Yep.

00:48:19 ◼   ► I mean yeah they're tapping into that nostalgia play, which is which is really

00:48:22 ◼   ► fascinating for a company that generally doesn't.

00:48:25 ◼   ► Although they do it more than they say they do.

00:48:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:28 ◼   ► But yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty wild.

00:48:32 ◼   ► My my sort of um When I wrote about this.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Like I just have a lot of questions about

00:48:38 ◼   ► oh, it's you walk up to it and it knows who you are.

00:48:40 ◼   ► It's like, well,

00:48:42 ◼   ► what does that look like in practice?

00:48:44 ◼   ► Like if it's in your kitchen and like you and your partner are just

00:48:47 ◼   ► like trading places as you're and like going all over the place.

00:48:49 ◼   ► Like is it just like boom, blah, blah blah blah?

00:48:51 ◼   ► Like switching back and forth all the time?

00:48:53 ◼   ► Is there a timeout?

00:48:54 ◼   ► Some sort of control?

00:48:55 ◼   ► I have lots of questions about that aspect of it because Apple sometimes struggles

00:49:01 ◼   ► with devices that have more than one user.

00:49:03 ◼   ► Like the iPad has it, but only in certain circumstances.

00:49:07 ◼   ► It should have it for everybody, but they want you to buy an iPad

00:49:10 ◼   ► for every kid in your house.

00:49:11 ◼   ► I just the devil's in the details in these products, especially if it's a

00:49:16 ◼   ► product that you are are going to interact with and live with.

00:49:20 ◼   ► Like if it's in your kitchen or if it's in a living space that,

00:49:23 ◼   ► you know, like they gotta nail all those details or it's gonna be frustrating.

00:49:28 ◼   ► One thing that's nice about the Aura frame, I I have one that I

00:49:31 ◼   ► can just send pictures to it through their extension or I can open the

00:49:34 ◼   ► app and add them.

00:49:35 ◼   ► Anyone in my family can do it.

00:49:36 ◼   ► Yes, it's not the whole photo library, but also I like that it's not

00:49:41 ◼   ► the whole photo library.

00:49:42 ◼   ► Like I like that I'm being purposeful about what I put on it.

00:49:46 ◼   ► And so even in that regard, I would want a lot of control over

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00:51:47 ◼   ► It is almost iPhone Duo time.

00:51:51 ◼   ► Hard to believe it was it was announced.

00:51:52 ◼   ► What was it announced like a month ago?

00:51:54 ◼   ► Hard to believe it was announced six months ago.

00:51:58 ◼   ► Uh we know a little bit more about it.

00:52:01 ◼   ► We have some some questions uh and we're gonna just gonna do a little

00:52:05 ◼   ► check-in.

00:52:06 ◼   ► Uh in a interview, Apple's VP of Hardware Engineering, uh, Kate Bergeron.

00:52:14 ◼   ► Bergeron.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Speaking about the iPhone Duo, this is a quote from uh a TikTok with

00:52:20 ◼   ► Angie Tutorials.

00:52:21 ◼   ► Oh, I know Angie.

00:52:23 ◼   ► She's she's Italian.

00:52:24 ◼   ► She's a f she's a fr oh I didn't know this wasn't.

00:52:27 ◼   ► Oh, you actually know Angie.

00:52:28 ◼   ► Like I d I do.

00:52:30 ◼   ► We we we uh we actually do know each other.

00:52:33 ◼   ► We we spent a uh uh uh great time last year at WWDC.

00:52:39 ◼   ► Uh she's a content creator on Instagram and TikTok.

00:52:43 ◼   ► And I actually know the follow-up to this story, but please tell the story

00:52:47 ◼   ► first.

00:52:48 ◼   ► Okay.

00:52:49 ◼   ► So uh in this interview, Kate said the matte display coating, so the inside

00:52:53 ◼   ► of the iPhone Duo does a really nice job of I'll say minimizing the

00:52:58 ◼   ► crease, but there's a cover layer on top and we've done a significant amount

00:53:03 ◼   ► of engineering work to help that wear in as long

00:53:08 ◼   ► as long of a ma um manner as we can, basically making it last

00:53:12 ◼   ► as long as it can, and to make sure that you get the most

00:53:14 ◼   ► out of that layer's performance.

00:53:17 ◼   ► Here's the thing.

00:53:19 ◼   ► It's actually replaceable, which is a really nice thing for the customer that you

00:53:24 ◼   ► can peel off that layer and get a new one.

00:53:28 ◼   ► I feel bad for Kate Bergeron.

00:53:31 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:53:32 ◼   ► Because I know what she's trying to say.

00:53:36 ◼   ► It doesn't come across, I think, the way that she wanted it to.

00:53:40 ◼   ► Because then a bunch of people on threads were like, that's a screen cover.

00:53:44 ◼   ► Ah no.

00:53:45 ◼   ► Which is what we already know this.

00:53:47 ◼   ► Remember that with the with the first Samsung thing?

00:53:50 ◼   ► Yeah, but they all have them.

00:53:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:51 ◼   ► They all still have them.

00:53:52 ◼   ► They all still have They have to.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Yes, because it's not glass.

00:53:58 ◼   ► So there has to there and and also Apple have told us already that

00:54:01 ◼   ► the duos inside screen is made up of a selection of layers.

00:54:05 ◼   ► They've this was part of the description, right?

00:54:09 ◼   ► It's a selection of layers.

00:54:10 ◼   ► It turns out the top layer, which is probably the nano part, right?

00:54:15 ◼   ► The nanotexture part, they can just take that layer off.

00:54:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:19 ◼   ► Now, I guarantee as a user, you can't get in there and take that

00:54:24 ◼   ► thing off.

00:54:25 ◼   ► And I've actually seen some pictures

00:54:28 ◼   ► where there's like a there's like a rim around the top, which is plastic

00:54:35 ◼   ► actually, which is interesting.

00:54:37 ◼   ► Like you can see, it's like it's not glass, it's like a plastic layer

00:54:40 ◼   ► which you would also need because the thing is closing, right?

00:54:43 ◼   ► So like you've got to have something to explore the shock.

00:54:45 ◼   ► So but it's like plastic or rubber or something like that.

00:54:48 ◼   ► And they will just pop that thing off when you go to an Apple

00:54:50 ◼   ► store.

00:54:50 ◼   ► They'll t they'll have a machine one of their really weird machines.

00:54:53 ◼   ► They'll take that top layer off, put in a new layer on.

00:54:55 ◼   ► You're gonna be sitting there picking it off with your thumbnail, right?

00:54:58 ◼   ► Which I think is what a lot of people now think.

00:55:00 ◼   ► But I think this was great what what Kate said of like we have

00:55:04 ◼   ► built this thing in such a way that if you do damage it, you

00:55:08 ◼   ► know, maybe you could scratch it or something like that.

00:55:10 ◼   ► You just come in, we'll take it off, we'll put it back on, easy

00:55:14 ◼   ► peasy.

00:55:14 ◼   ► And I think I saw someone say somewhere, and it and Zoe's saying it

00:55:19 ◼   ► in in chat, Oh yeah, qu Quinn Nelson found this.

00:55:21 ◼   ► It's $19 to do that replacement.

00:55:24 ◼   ► Brilliant.

00:55:25 ◼   ► That's great engineering from them, right?

00:55:27 ◼   ► That like the thing that is probably going to need the most service on

00:55:30 ◼   ► an iPhone duo

00:55:33 ◼   ► is that they have manufactured to be a quick easy, and cheap replacement.

00:55:39 ◼   ► So I think it's great.

00:55:41 ◼   ► Everybody needs to not worry.

00:55:42 ◼   ► Like it's not like the uh Samsung Galaxy fault where MKBHD peeled it off

00:55:49 ◼   ► and then it broke.

00:55:50 ◼   ► That technology has moved on since then.

00:55:53 ◼   ► I I do think it's going to be I I think part of the

00:55:56 ◼   ► response to this, and I think some Apple has to explain this in some

00:56:00 ◼   ► ways, like that this is to a degree a wear item.

00:56:04 ◼   ► And that's just new territory for them in terms of hardware.

00:56:11 ◼   ► Like

00:56:13 ◼   ► But displays break.

00:56:15 ◼   ► Yeah, but I mean to have something like if I get a scratch, I

00:56:17 ◼   ► can like replace this cover.

00:56:20 ◼   ► Like I just I I wonder how that's gonna be communicated.

00:56:25 ◼   ► And why do you think it needs to be communicated?

00:56:28 ◼   ► Because if you have a if you have a scratch or or you I

00:56:30 ◼   ► mean which you will, like these these things are they're not perfect.

00:56:35 ◼   ► What do you do about it as a user?

00:56:37 ◼   ► Like if you're unaware of this interview, if you're s if you're not one

00:56:40 ◼   ► of the forty two million people who listen to Connected and this happens to

00:56:45 ◼   ► you, d do you even know that this is an option?

00:56:48 ◼   ► Or do you just take it to the Apple store expecting a screen replacement

00:56:53 ◼   ► or something and they say, oh, we can just do this for twenty bucks

00:56:55 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:56:56 ◼   ► Like there's gotta be some sort of expectation setting.

00:56:58 ◼   ► Yeah, but isn't that the thing though?

00:57:01 ◼   ► Like no, but like is is you I think you've already said it though,

00:57:04 ◼   ► right?

00:57:04 ◼   ► That like if you have a scratch on your screen you go to the

00:57:07 ◼   ► Apple store and then they say at the Apple store, Oh yeah, we'll take

00:57:11 ◼   ► care of that for you and it only costs nineteen dollars and you're like,

00:57:14 ◼   ► Amazing.

00:57:16 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:57:17 ◼   ► Like I I I think like what happens now if somebody has like a

00:57:21 ◼   ► scratch on their screen?

00:57:22 ◼   ► Like they go to the Apple store if they want it fixed.

00:57:24 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:57:25 ◼   ► I just I don't know.

00:57:27 ◼   ► I mean I I see what you're saying, wouldn't it would be nice if

00:57:29 ◼   ► they could communicate it, but like how would you even do that?

00:57:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean that's that's sort of the question.

00:57:33 ◼   ► Like Isn't this it?

00:57:35 ◼   ► Maybe this is it.

00:57:35 ◼   ► Maybe this is the communicating.

00:57:37 ◼   ► But it just didn't go the way they wanted.

00:57:39 ◼   ► Maybe there's I don't think they're gonna do that.

00:57:41 ◼   ► That seems like that.

00:57:42 ◼   ► I also just think too, like these so many people put screen protectors on

00:57:46 ◼   ► their phone that like I don't even I think people are just used to

00:57:49 ◼   ► it.

00:57:49 ◼   ► Will you put a screen protector on the inside of this thing?

00:57:52 ◼   ► You don't need to.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Well people try

00:57:55 ◼   ► in.

00:57:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:57 ◼   ► So the people that would want a screen protector who might ask for that

00:58:00 ◼   ► or whatever or have any questions at the Apple store, they'll be like, oh,

00:58:03 ◼   ► you don't need to.

00:58:04 ◼   ► We did it for you.

00:58:05 ◼   ► Maybe so.

00:58:06 ◼   ► In my experience in the real world, mainly nerds.

00:58:11 ◼   ► Yes.

00:58:12 ◼   ► I have learned over the past seventeen years that have been in this racket,

00:58:18 ◼   ► um, that people have a surprisingly high tolerance for absolutely destroyed screens on their

00:58:24 ◼   ► phones.

00:58:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:26 ◼   ► They just cover them up with the screen protector and they can just live

00:58:31 ◼   ► their lives

00:58:33 ◼   ► with a cracked display under the screen protector and then just don't care.

00:58:38 ◼   ► Or just a cracked display.

00:58:40 ◼   ► Or they crack the screen protector, like you're just doing it.

00:58:44 ◼   ► I would die.

00:58:44 ◼   ► Like it would honestly kill me.

00:58:46 ◼   ► Slowly.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Eventually, it would kill me to have that thought that I'm using a phone

00:58:51 ◼   ► with a cracked display and I'm doing nothing about it.

00:58:54 ◼   ► But people can do it.

00:58:56 ◼   ► They live their lives.

00:58:57 ◼   ► Uh so the backstory to that interview.

00:58:59 ◼   ► Uh I saw a story on Instagram uh from Angie the day after.

00:59:03 ◼   ► So the story goes viral, right?

00:59:05 ◼   ► Uh like Apple executive confirms that the iPhone do was a screen protector.

00:59:08 ◼   ► So Angie had a Google alert Set for her name, uh, like most of

00:59:14 ◼   ► the influencers do, right?

00:59:15 ◼   ► And she and so she wakes up one morning and she finds like hundreds

00:59:19 ◼   ► of notifications on her phone.

00:59:21 ◼   ► And she starts taking a look at these Google alerts, and they're like in

00:59:24 ◼   ► Japanese, in ja in Chinese in Portuguese.

00:59:27 ◼   ► And she's like, What have I done?

00:59:29 ◼   ► Well sh like she got really concerned for a few minutes, like, why is

00:59:33 ◼   ► everybody using my name?

00:59:35 ◼   ► And then she realized that in the interview, uh, the the Apple person said

00:59:40 ◼   ► something that was newsworthy.

00:59:42 ◼   ► And so her name was picked up in a bunch of like tech blogs

00:59:45 ◼   ► and like publications or podcasts that usually don't link to a lifestyle influencer like

00:59:51 ◼   ► Angie.

00:59:52 ◼   ► So that was that was fun.

00:59:54 ◼   ► She was like, I woke up this morning and I found hundreds of notifications

00:59:57 ◼   ► on on my phone about my name and my heart my That's terrifying sank

01:00:01 ◼   ► for a minute.

01:00:01 ◼   ► I was like,

01:00:03 ◼   ► Steven?

01:00:03 ◼   ► Oh it has.

01:00:04 ◼   ► It's terrifying.

01:00:05 ◼   ► I mean like did you have the alerts?

01:00:06 ◼   ► Like, did you I've I have Google alerts for my name.

01:00:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:10 ◼   ► There you go.

01:00:11 ◼   ► So th th this has happened to you, so you can you can sympathize.

01:00:14 ◼   ► It's mostly about some sort of like football coach in the UK.

01:00:17 ◼   ► We share a name and just like trading people all the time?

01:00:21 ◼   ► Mostly that.

01:00:22 ◼   ► Um Okay.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:00:24 ◼   ► I mean m I understand this is the way these devices work.

01:00:28 ◼   ► I just wonder if like most people do or how how Apple talks about

01:00:32 ◼   ► it.

01:00:32 ◼   ► It's just it just it's just an interesting part of this to me.

01:00:36 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:00:37 ◼   ► Do we think

01:00:40 ◼   ► that the

01:00:43 ◼   ► the Apple pencil usage, right?

01:00:45 ◼   ► I keep coming back to this too.

01:00:46 ◼   ► It's like you can use the USB C Apple Pencil on the duo.

01:00:50 ◼   ► It's not coming at launch.

01:00:52 ◼   ► I don't why?

01:00:54 ◼   ► I gotta I've I would very much like to know what happened there.

01:00:57 ◼   ► It's software I'm sure.

01:00:58 ◼   ► Again, I'm so in the rumors, man.

01:01:00 ◼   ► I'm like rumoring up.

01:01:01 ◼   ► There was a attempt from Apple to build a smaller Apple pencil.

01:01:07 ◼   ► I saw that, yeah.

01:01:08 ◼   ► And that did not work.

01:01:10 ◼   ► So then they decided they would go with the regular Apple Pencil, but then

01:01:17 ◼   ► they ran out of time.

01:01:19 ◼   ► So when they changed to go with the regular one, like the USB-C one,

01:01:23 ◼   ► then they needed to develop for it and they ran out of time to

01:01:26 ◼   ► get it for launch.

01:01:27 ◼   ► That's that's the story.

01:01:28 ◼   ► A little one would be cool.

01:01:30 ◼   ► So it's it's not coming um at launch, but I was really uh I

01:01:34 ◼   ► was still a little surprised that they're doing it.

01:01:36 ◼   ► I think it makes sense for a product this size, but

01:01:39 ◼   ► You sort of have like two competing things going on.

01:01:42 ◼   ► You have this softer internal display.

01:01:46 ◼   ► You have an Apple pencil.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Like Yeah, I mean I I think it's a couple of things.

01:01:51 ◼   ► I think one, that it's a bit of a f they're like they're trying

01:01:53 ◼   ► to flex.

01:01:53 ◼   ► Like Samsung has done this too.

01:01:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:55 ◼   ► They don't anymore.

01:01:57 ◼   ► But also the the softness level of these screens, it's not like it used

01:02:02 ◼   ► to be.

01:02:02 ◼   ► Like they are a little bit more resilient than they were in the beginning.

01:02:08 ◼   ► Like in the beginning you could just gouge a fingernail into one of these

01:02:11 ◼   ► things and it was and it was like that forever.

01:02:13 ◼   ► And they're it's just not as fragile as it used to be.

01:02:18 ◼   ► And I yeah, I think they're they're they believe in its confidence and and

01:02:21 ◼   ► I think if you can design it to be able to withstand an Apple

01:02:26 ◼   ► pencil it's probably gonna with m like be able to s to suffer most

01:02:31 ◼   ► people's attempts at using the thing.

01:02:34 ◼   ► So it's probably a good thing to try and aim for, right?

01:02:37 ◼   ► Like if you're developing the screen.

01:02:39 ◼   ► Like if you start with that as like a goal, right?

01:02:41 ◼   ► You should be able to pencil in this.

01:02:43 ◼   ► Then you're gonna make a bunch of considerations that are going to make it

01:02:46 ◼   ► last better for everybody.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Maybe that's part of why you would consider it.

01:02:52 ◼   ► It is different.

01:02:53 ◼   ► Like we folding phone technology, and I'm suderico can speak to this too, it

01:02:59 ◼   ► has advanced quite quite significantly.

01:03:02 ◼   ► And and like the resiliency and usage of these things is much better.

01:03:06 ◼   ► I mean, there are waterproof and f there are fully waterproof and dustproof products

01:03:10 ◼   ► now.

01:03:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:13 ◼   ► It's very different from what it used to be five years ago.

01:03:16 ◼   ► Yes.

01:03:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:17 ◼   ► I think it's the the latest Google Pixel fold is like I p sixty

01:03:21 ◼   ► eight, so it's a iPhone.

01:03:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:24 ◼   ► And now and Apple's got higher dust um protection than than most of them

01:03:29 ◼   ► do even now.

01:03:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:31 ◼   ► I just you know, part of it is I think some people in the

01:03:33 ◼   ► Apple world, like the last time we paid attention to this was when Marquez

01:03:36 ◼   ► pulled that screen protector off that thing and it exploded.

01:03:39 ◼   ► Um Yeah, I understand that.

01:03:40 ◼   ► You know.

01:03:41 ◼   ► Uh but I I'm excited about it.

01:03:44 ◼   ► Um I've so I still have so many questions about this phone, but you

01:03:49 ◼   ► know, pre-orders are a week from tomorrow.

01:03:53 ◼   ► Oh god.

01:03:55 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:55 ◼   ► What are y'all where are y'all with this?

01:03:58 ◼   ► Uh no, no, I mean sp we are on spending money.

01:04:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:02 ◼   ► Obviously.

01:04:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Right?

01:04:05 ◼   ► Expensive.

01:04:05 ◼   ► Expensive for.

01:04:06 ◼   ► Especially if they also do this home pad thing, right?

01:04:10 ◼   ► As well.

01:04:10 ◼   ► Like if that's actually happening, well that's that's that's more stuff.

01:04:14 ◼   ► Uh but I love stuff though.

01:04:15 ◼   ► So you know, oh we love stuff.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Yes.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Uh there will be a you know, there is potentially for some people a

01:04:21 ◼   ► bigger stuff problem if they do also release the SmackBook Pro.

01:04:24 ◼   ► Like that has a lot of stuff.

01:04:26 ◼   ► That's give us someone else's problem.

01:04:29 ◼   ► I love I live for stuff.

01:04:31 ◼   ► You know what we live we live for the stuff.

01:04:33 ◼   ► Stuff is not happening, it's like a bad time of the year.

01:04:36 ◼   ► That is true.

01:04:36 ◼   ► I do prefer it when there is stuff.

01:04:38 ◼   ► And so I'm looking forward to the stuff.

01:04:40 ◼   ► And yeah, I I will be pre ordering.

01:04:42 ◼   ► I'm going for I th uh I think I'm gonna do white one terabyte,

01:04:47 ◼   ► I think is what I'm gonna go for.

01:04:49 ◼   ► Which is that's a lot of stuff.

01:04:51 ◼   ► Um, but yeah.

01:04:52 ◼   ► I do not think this will be the iPhone that I uh use as

01:04:55 ◼   ► my like iPhone.

01:04:57 ◼   ► I I d I I just I don't think we what I don't think

01:05:01 ◼   ► this will be the iPhone that's my iPhone.

01:05:02 ◼   ► I think my eighteen pro will be okay.

01:05:05 ◼   ► Oh your secret your secret eighteen pro?

01:05:08 ◼   ► No it was no it was not a secret.

01:05:10 ◼   ► I I I was the quote only one ordering one, remember?

01:05:15 ◼   ► I didn't order it to in my defense I walked into the Apple store

01:05:18 ◼   ► and they were in stock somehow.

01:05:20 ◼   ► So how is that a defense to you?

01:05:23 ◼   ► The guy held me down and took my money.

01:05:25 ◼   ► Okay, that would be a pretty good defense.

01:05:27 ◼   ► Take that was true.

01:05:28 ◼   ► Is that in Ron Johnson's book?

01:05:30 ◼   ► I don't think so.

01:05:32 ◼   ► I don't think Steven, I don't think so either.

01:05:34 ◼   ► I don't act I don't believe that that is in his book.

01:05:36 ◼   ► No.

01:05:37 ◼   ► Uh it's an interesting tactic that they that they were employing, I guess.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:05:41 ◼   ► Talk about forced obsolescence.

01:05:43 ◼   ► I'm excited about this uh iPhone handoff thing.

01:05:47 ◼   ► 'Cause you know, there's something nice about the idea of like my inside phone

01:05:52 ◼   ► my side phone.

01:05:54 ◼   ► You know, that sounds like a fun way to live your life, you know,

01:05:57 ◼   ► like I use my eighteen pro when I'm out in the world and then

01:06:00 ◼   ► when I get home, like it goes in a little cubby or something and

01:06:03 ◼   ► I get a it goes in a duo in a hermetically sealed chamber.

01:06:09 ◼   ► I don't know man.

01:06:10 ◼   ► What a w we're living in strange times.

01:06:12 ◼   ► Um Uh, but I'm I'm exc I'm very excited about this phone.

01:06:15 ◼   ► I don't even though I'm remain dubious about it, I don't remember the time

01:06:21 ◼   ► the last time I was this excited for an iPhone.

01:06:24 ◼   ► So 'cause it's just like what is it gonna be all about?

01:06:27 ◼   ► Like I'm I'm excited.

01:06:28 ◼   ► So I will be pre ordering.

01:06:30 ◼   ► Um white, I assume?

01:06:32 ◼   ► I mean it to me it's the only color you should get this phone

01:06:35 ◼   ► in.

01:06:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:36 ◼   ► Yes, I agree.

01:06:37 ◼   ► Mike Like if I can't get the white, I will get the blue, right?

01:06:41 ◼   ► But like this one, it looks made for the the white and silver.

01:06:46 ◼   ► Um so yeah, I'm excited about

01:06:50 ◼   ► Federico.

01:06:51 ◼   ► Oh yeah, no, I mean uh same as Mike.

01:06:54 ◼   ► Same as Mike.

01:06:55 ◼   ► I I thoug I I thought it was obvious.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Yes.

01:06:58 ◼   ► I it's it's the only choice.

01:07:00 ◼   ► It's the only option.

01:07:01 ◼   ► I think it is too.

01:07:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:02 ◼   ► I mean I I generally like white bones, like at my air is is

01:07:07 ◼   ► white and uh I've done a lot of white phones over the years.

01:07:09 ◼   ► It looks really nice.

01:07:10 ◼   ► Also just don't really like the blue.

01:07:13 ◼   ► Uh but yeah, I'm in for it too.

01:07:16 ◼   ► Probably just the 256.

01:07:18 ◼   ► Uh this is something that happened to me over the last year or so.

01:07:22 ◼   ► I used to get a big phone size you know, storage wise 'cause I

01:07:25 ◼   ► went on my photos locally and my photo library has exploded in size and

01:07:30 ◼   ► there's no way I'm buying a phone that is big enough to hold all

01:07:34 ◼   ► my photos and so I'm my air was two fifty six the eighteen pro

01:07:38 ◼   ► is two fifty six like it's fine.

01:07:39 ◼   ► I'm I'm living that life release yourself.

01:07:43 ◼   ► I just I just wait for the photos to load on slope on slow

01:07:47 ◼   ► ATT, you know.

01:07:48 ◼   ► Oh, I just thought uh it's terrible.

01:07:51 ◼   ► I hate it.

01:07:52 ◼   ► Like I was dealing that life while we were traveling.

01:07:55 ◼   ► Well I was like in Memphis, right?

01:07:56 ◼   ► And like the photo the share photo library is loading like really slowly on

01:08:00 ◼   ► a very, very slow internet connection in the hotel.

01:08:04 ◼   ► And just you're just looking at blurry pictures.

01:08:06 ◼   ► I'm like, I I don't like this experience.

01:08:08 ◼   ► It's not great.

01:08:09 ◼   ► But But if I was in your situation, it's like I would just do

01:08:13 ◼   ► what you're doing.

01:08:14 ◼   ► Right if I but at the moment I I can still get all of

01:08:17 ◼   ► my photos and a ton of other stuff with room to spare on a

01:08:21 ◼   ► one terabyte iPhone.

01:08:22 ◼   ► So I for as long as that continues to be the case, I will

01:08:26 ◼   ► continue to to consider that.

01:08:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:08:28 ◼   ► I mean on this phone I've got I'm using a hundred and ninety two

01:08:32 ◼   ► gigs.

01:08:33 ◼   ► That's not a lot of gigs.

01:08:35 ◼   ► Twenty one gigs of photos on the thing, thirteen gigs of music.

01:08:41 ◼   ► I'm using six hundred and ten gigabytes.

01:08:44 ◼   ► Ooh.

01:08:45 ◼   ► Uh three hundred and seventy-five gigabytes is photos.

01:08:49 ◼   ► It's wild to like sort through size on the iPhone storage screen and be

01:08:54 ◼   ► like, do I really have four and a half gigs of gifts saved on

01:08:58 ◼   ► this phone?

01:08:59 ◼   ► You know?

01:08:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:00 ◼   ► What's taking two gigs of space in the health app?

01:09:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:04 ◼   ► It adds up, man.

01:09:06 ◼   ► Um but yeah, pre orders next Friday.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Breaking news.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Oh Breaking news.

01:09:11 ◼   ► I hope this is good.

01:09:12 ◼   ► Mark German, it's official Apple has sent out invitations for a welcome home product

01:09:17 ◼   ► launch on October th thirteenth in New York.

01:09:21 ◼   ► He's so excited, he can't even say it.

01:09:23 ◼   ► All right.

01:09:23 ◼   ► So th that's the Oh, and it's a six colors Apple logo.

01:09:26 ◼   ► Oh, and it's like woven, like uh Yes.

01:09:30 ◼   ► Here we go.

01:09:31 ◼   ► Marquez has look forward to welcoming you to an Apple experience in Tribeca, New

01:09:35 ◼   ► York on October thirteenth, twenty twenty six.

01:09:39 ◼   ► Check my email.

01:09:40 ◼   ► Uh nothing.

01:09:42 ◼   ► Let me go.

01:09:43 ◼   ► Let's go re we'll go refresh.

01:09:44 ◼   ► Oh, no emails.

01:09:45 ◼   ► Ah you know No emails.

01:09:47 ◼   ► It must just it's just got stuck in the email pipe, you know?

01:09:51 ◼   ► I guess so.

01:09:52 ◼   ► Yeah you'll get there.

01:09:53 ◼   ► So here's the thing, we can't make predictions about this.

01:09:57 ◼   ► It's an exper I predict home hope.

01:09:59 ◼   ► I predict home hop.

01:10:01 ◼   ► There you go.

01:10:02 ◼   ► It's an experience prediction.

01:10:04 ◼   ► Not an event.

01:10:05 ◼   ► I predicted it.

01:10:07 ◼   ► We found out about it at the end of the show.

01:10:10 ◼   ► Also, so uh Marquez uh ha has uh a screenshot of it.

01:10:15 ◼   ► This straight up looks like a phishing email a little bit.

01:10:18 ◼   ► Like that happened once.

01:10:19 ◼   ► The way the text looks, is it maybe it's just the way he cropped

01:10:22 ◼   ► it but it looks a little funny.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:24 ◼   ► I think that happened once.

01:10:26 ◼   ► Like someone posted like, oh I just got an invite and like it wasn't.

01:10:30 ◼   ► It was a fake I mean look Apple always needs your social security number

01:10:34 ◼   ► for a uh always for events.

01:10:37 ◼   ► For events.

01:10:37 ◼   ► Always give it to them.

01:10:39 ◼   ► Don't do that.

01:10:41 ◼   ► Please don't do that.

01:10:43 ◼   ► Uh so you guys will be talking about this next week because I am

01:10:46 ◼   ► on vacation.

01:10:47 ◼   ► Oh well, Greg Joswiak just posted it.

01:10:49 ◼   ► So what if Greg is in on the fishing?

01:10:52 ◼   ► What if you think that guy's Jaws is doing the fishing?

01:10:55 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:10:55 ◼   ► Okay.

01:10:56 ◼   ► You think so?

01:10:57 ◼   ► One hundred percent that dude has been fixed.

01:11:00 ◼   ► Fished.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Fixed.

01:11:03 ◼   ► You okay?

01:11:05 ◼   ► I'm having a hard time.

01:11:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:07 ◼   ► Uh I just want to go on vacation.

01:11:08 ◼   ► I will not be here next week.

01:11:09 ◼   ► You guys will talk about the home hub and Yeah.

01:11:12 ◼   ► You can go on vacation, we're but we're gonna talk about it.

01:11:15 ◼   ► Homepad.

01:11:16 ◼   ► Homepad.

01:11:16 ◼   ► Home home pod touch.

01:11:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:20 ◼   ► We don't we don't know what you think about.

01:11:22 ◼   ► Do you think there's a chance it's home pod max?

01:11:27 ◼   ► Homepod Ultra.

01:11:28 ◼   ► Or homepod pro of these things are possible.

01:11:31 ◼   ► The name's gonna be bad no matter what they choose, right?

01:11:35 ◼   ► Yeah, but I don't think HomePod's a bad name.

01:11:38 ◼   ► I don't think so either, really.

01:11:40 ◼   ► But they're gonna put it if it's along those lines.

01:11:44 ◼   ► I I think if it has the word home in it, I don't think

01:11:47 ◼   ► it's a bad name at all, really.

01:11:49 ◼   ► Unless they call it like, I don't know like like homigity.

01:11:54 ◼   ► It's like, I don't I don't like that that.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Like why'd you call it that?

01:11:56 ◼   ► So so I have okay, we we need to talk about this and then

01:11:59 ◼   ► it'll be the end of the show.

01:12:01 ◼   ► Under jobs, Apple put i at the front of every product name.

01:12:06 ◼   ► i Mac, i Life, iWeb.

01:12:08 ◼   ► Remember iWeb?

01:12:09 ◼   ► My God iBook iPod.

01:12:12 ◼   ► Under Cook, it was Apple.

01:12:14 ◼   ► Apple Watch, Apple Maps, Apple Weather,

01:12:19 ◼   ► Apple Pay.

01:12:21 ◼   ► What is Turnus' prefix?

01:12:24 ◼   ► Home.

01:12:26 ◼   ► Everything's home phone.

01:12:29 ◼   ► Homewatch.

01:12:33 ◼   ► Home phone duo.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Everything's home.

01:12:36 ◼   ► No, I I just think it will continue to be Apple.

01:12:38 ◼   ► I think it will be too.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:43 ◼   ► All right.

01:12:43 ◼   ► Well, I think that does it for this week.

01:12:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:47 ◼   ► Like very exciting times next couple weeks.

01:12:50 ◼   ► Uh very pleased we've got that breaking news before the end of the show.

01:12:53 ◼   ► I'm dude, I'm I'm glad it I'm glad it snuck in.

01:12:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

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