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254: You`ve Ruined Pizza


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00:00:18   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

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00:00:21   now we're here to talk about a film that [TS]

00:00:24   is in theaters now which very rarely [TS]

00:00:26   happens but if we get enough people [TS]

00:00:28   who've seen it and if I've managed to go [TS]

00:00:30   out and see it which is tricky [TS]

00:00:31   what with the the problematic children [TS]

00:00:34   and all but a little less difficult when [TS]

00:00:36   it is a pixar film because I can take my [TS]

00:00:39   children with me to see it which I did [TS]

00:00:40   and that's why we're going to talk about [TS]

00:00:42   inside out [TS]

00:00:42   i'm joined on this podcast by other [TS]

00:00:46   people who have fortunately also seen [TS]

00:00:48   inside out and therefore can talk about [TS]

00:00:50   it [TS]

00:00:50   indian tacos out there hi Andy I'd like [TS]

00:00:53   to talk like Richard kind for this whole [TS]

00:00:55   show but I think that's why would I shot [TS]

00:00:57   my locker yeah that was good that was a [TS]

00:01:00   good Richard continue it was very it's [TS]

00:01:01   very polished David lower hello hello [TS]

00:01:04   hello I'm i'm really excited to talk [TS]

00:01:06   about this and I just know this this [TS]

00:01:08   episode is going to become a core memory [TS]

00:01:10   good John syracuse out there wouldn't [TS]

00:01:13   talk about pixar without John yeah Jason [TS]

00:01:16   I would have an opening statement if i [TS]

00:01:18   had seen this movie more than once but [TS]

00:01:19   it's so no I've only seen it once it's [TS]

00:01:22   true it's that new and my own personal [TS]

00:01:24   bing-bong mi I'm Marilyn that does [TS]

00:01:30   explain the cotton candy smell but well [TS]

00:01:33   it's part of that it was you know [TS]

00:01:34   animals were popular then that's great [TS]

00:01:37   because if you make them cry at the end [TS]

00:01:38   we got caramel em candy for my eyes it's [TS]

00:01:42   good to have you here thanks [TS]

00:01:44   we're not talking about we will leave [TS]

00:01:46   the debate about whether the cat talks [TS]

00:01:49   and kiki's delivery service to be able [TS]

00:01:51   to celebrate high notes are right i [TS]

00:01:54   would not be pasted will go to the end [TS]

00:01:56   we'll get that up down all right inside [TS]

00:01:59   out [TS]

00:02:00   I directed by the this is a film 4 2015 [TS]

00:02:03   always not about whether it's from and [TS]

00:02:06   it's from now because it's in theaters [TS]

00:02:08   now [TS]

00:02:09   ah we got you got your Amy Poehler as [TS]

00:02:11   joy you got you got your uh you got your [TS]

00:02:14   Phyllis from the office of sadness lot [TS]

00:02:16   of lot of [TS]

00:02:18   NBC sitcom kind of traditionally night [TS]

00:02:20   alumni from mad about you [TS]

00:02:22   yeah he was a must-see TV here bill [TS]

00:02:24   hader the rare he's on a different from [TS]

00:02:27   a different night of NBC lot of NBC [TS]

00:02:29   people here and Lewis Black who I [TS]

00:02:31   believe has never been allowed on NBC's [TS]

00:02:33   air when I first heard about this movie [TS]

00:02:35   it was in an article that was describing [TS]

00:02:38   have a crazy hippies and pixar we're [TS]

00:02:40   doing things that nobody understood and [TS]

00:02:42   how could it ever be a movie and it was [TS]

00:02:44   literally like a movie that's all about [TS]

00:02:47   that takes place entirely inside the [TS]

00:02:49   mind of a child like how could they do [TS]

00:02:52   that they're they're nuts it'll never [TS]

00:02:54   work kind of thing and I kept thinking [TS]

00:02:56   about that as i watched it that that [TS]

00:02:58   that's how you take a premise that seems [TS]

00:03:00   so out there and you end up with a film [TS]

00:03:03   that is I think beautiful and [TS]

00:03:07   interesting and has a lot to say about [TS]

00:03:08   actual like human beings and how they [TS]

00:03:11   behave while also being very [TS]

00:03:13   entertaining so i'll let you know just [TS]

00:03:15   off the top well let's let's uh you know [TS]

00:03:17   what what did you all take away from [TS]

00:03:20   inside out [TS]

00:03:21   we're gonna we're gonna start with that [TS]

00:03:23   John what would you know what did you [TS]

00:03:25   walk away with this film thinking about [TS]

00:03:27   you remind me of the of hearing about it [TS]

00:03:30   in that sort of adds to our contract [TS]

00:03:32   remember that they're crazy how could i [TS]

00:03:35   forget that movie it once it became [TS]

00:03:37   concrete I forgot all of that and I got [TS]

00:03:40   down to the business of how they're [TS]

00:03:42   gonna sort sort out this tension between [TS]

00:03:45   the world inside the head and the world [TS]

00:03:49   outside the head and when I was watching [TS]

00:03:52   the movie that's primarily [TS]

00:03:54   intellectually what I was watching for [TS]

00:03:56   how do you tell the story I because it [TS]

00:03:59   what's going on inside the head you [TS]

00:04:00   don't care about unless you also care [TS]

00:04:02   about what's going on outside [TS]

00:04:03   how do you balance it 5050 is it mostly [TS]

00:04:06   inside the head is it mostly outside [TS]

00:04:09   with just like a little angel or devil [TS]

00:04:10   popping up on the shoulder you know that [TS]

00:04:12   kind of trip this is sort of like the [TS]

00:04:14   inversion that rope that's what i was [TS]

00:04:16   thinking about when I was watching this [TS]

00:04:18   movie and the other thing that struck me [TS]

00:04:19   as I was watching it again [TS]

00:04:21   intellectually more than the other [TS]

00:04:23   emotional parts of the the story that [TS]

00:04:25   i'm sure we'll talk about it at length [TS]

00:04:26   was and i'm not sure about this you guys [TS]

00:04:29   can help me and see what you think [TS]

00:04:30   but kept thinking is this a movie made [TS]

00:04:34   for parents that kids might like or [TS]

00:04:37   system we made for kids that parents [TS]

00:04:39   might like [TS]

00:04:40   and obviously i am a parent and a lot of [TS]

00:04:42   times you watch moving you think this [TS]

00:04:43   movie is made for me there watching this [TS]

00:04:46   moving like has there ever been a movie [TS]

00:04:48   made aimed more squarely like moms and [TS]

00:04:52   dads then this supposedly quote-unquote [TS]

00:04:56   kids movie like isn't even a kids movie [TS]

00:04:58   or is it a parent's movie that has stuff [TS]

00:05:00   in it the kids might enjoy so that's [TS]

00:05:02   really my strongest first impression [TS]

00:05:05   that movie the balancing of the two [TS]

00:05:06   worlds and that inside out as a parent's [TS]

00:05:09   movie dangerously like an opening [TS]

00:05:11   statement but not one Merlin what do you [TS]

00:05:14   think [TS]

00:05:15   inside-out going into it even as [TS]

00:05:18   recently as a couple weeks ago three [TS]

00:05:19   weeks ago maybe my expectations were [TS]

00:05:21   impossibly low i seen the trailer and I [TS]

00:05:24   was just like oh boy not feeling great [TS]

00:05:29   about this because I mean yeah okay I [TS]

00:05:31   get it I see what you're doing here like [TS]

00:05:32   you know I i think i get with weather [TS]

00:05:34   going with this but you know kind of [TS]

00:05:36   like you said in the opening they manage [TS]

00:05:38   to do this impossible thing where they [TS]

00:05:40   had this they basically told the story [TS]

00:05:43   by analogy that was incredibly [TS]

00:05:46   compelling and I guess I got a little [TS]

00:05:48   bit of buzz of powerline had written one [TS]

00:05:52   of the games you guys know a platform [TS]

00:05:53   the internet he wrote one of the game's [TS]

00:05:55   the Infinity game for this and he's like [TS]

00:05:57   you seriously like this is really good [TS]

00:05:59   does maybe the best thing it down while [TS]

00:06:00   you're drunk you're totally drunk a [TS]

00:06:02   couple my pals and pixar it said like [TS]

00:06:04   hey don't like this and sounds like okay [TS]

00:06:07   you know whatever and i had made the [TS]

00:06:11   similar thoughts to what John had we're [TS]

00:06:13   like I'm not sure I can tell who this is [TS]

00:06:15   for my feeling is that like toy story 3i [TS]

00:06:18   think this kind of is one for the [TS]

00:06:19   parents may be evidence best by the fact [TS]

00:06:21   that the biggest laugh and the entire [TS]

00:06:23   movie is when joy and sadness slam in [TS]

00:06:25   the window at the end like a huge left [TS]

00:06:27   the two times that I've seen it but now [TS]

00:06:29   but I was only night we'll talk about it [TS]

00:06:30   length I was very it's obviously I felt [TS]

00:06:34   a lot of extremely strong emotions and I [TS]

00:06:36   cried a lot but the thing i'm still [TS]

00:06:37   turning over my head is how they managed [TS]

00:06:38   to pull off what they pulled off that's [TS]

00:06:40   the part of find the most amazing is the [TS]

00:06:42   the craft [TS]

00:06:44   of not just you know making this the [TS]

00:06:46   sappy story but you know who would have [TS]

00:06:48   guessed that you return sadness into the [TS]

00:06:50   hero of this story and i'm still turning [TS]

00:06:53   over my head how they did it and i think [TS]

00:06:54   it was a triumph [TS]

00:06:55   yeah it's certainly an interesting i [TS]

00:06:57   it's it's a philosophical take that I [TS]

00:07:00   didn't expect going into the film which [TS]

00:07:02   is that this is a movie that in some [TS]

00:07:05   ways is about appreciating being a [TS]

00:07:07   well-rounded person and that you've got [TS]

00:07:09   to have levels and that sadness is [TS]

00:07:11   actually part of life and one of the [TS]

00:07:13   ways you appreciate life which again I [TS]

00:07:16   think this may be leading to the idea [TS]

00:07:18   that this is a layer more for parents [TS]

00:07:20   than four children perhaps because [TS]

00:07:23   that's a level that's kind of nuanced [TS]

00:07:24   level but certainly I i was surprised by [TS]

00:07:28   that when i saw it [TS]

00:07:29   Andy you've got some opening thoughts [TS]

00:07:30   about inside out [TS]

00:07:32   yeah I I went into this with a lot more [TS]

00:07:34   optimism then many people did because to [TS]

00:07:37   me this is exactly the sort of movie [TS]

00:07:39   that I hope that pixar makes i'm also [TS]

00:07:41   looking forward to the minions movie [TS]

00:07:43   because I thought their hysterically [TS]

00:07:44   funny and in the group movies but we [TS]

00:07:47   don't want AI I don't expect or want [TS]

00:07:50   pics are to make a simple movie like [TS]

00:07:52   that that's it's it's funny it's [TS]

00:07:54   entertaining it's great what I'm looking [TS]

00:07:56   for from pixar something that is just [TS]

00:07:58   bizarre that you just don't immediately [TS]

00:08:01   see what the story is about you don't [TS]

00:08:03   know where this story is headed where [TS]

00:08:05   you don't feel as he feels that they're [TS]

00:08:07   really making one entire unit of a movie [TS]

00:08:10   as opposed to connecting a whole bunch [TS]

00:08:12   of some scenes will be fun to animate [TS]

00:08:14   some scenes be fun to joke about some [TS]

00:08:16   good voice work and so you have this [TS]

00:08:18   idea of here is a movie in which the [TS]

00:08:20   entire playing field of this movie is [TS]

00:08:22   abstract it's not where you're looking [TS]

00:08:24   at the life of this little girl and [TS]

00:08:26   occasionally there cutaways the inside [TS]

00:08:27   of her head [TS]

00:08:28   it's no no the entire thing it exists in [TS]

00:08:31   a plan in a world in which they have to [TS]

00:08:33   invent everything from start to finish [TS]

00:08:36   where if they decide that they want to [TS]

00:08:38   do a scene in which everything is just [TS]

00:08:40   an abstract shape like the dotted line [TS]

00:08:42   of the chuck jones short from the [TS]

00:08:44   sixties they can do that and if they [TS]

00:08:46   want to invent new rules and breaking [TS]

00:08:48   rules they can do that too [TS]

00:08:50   I mean I really felt coming out of the [TS]

00:08:52   theater that this was like a google moon [TS]

00:08:55   shot you know where it's a crazy idea it [TS]

00:08:58   shouldn't work the only way to prove [TS]

00:09:00   that it's not gonna work is to actually [TS]

00:09:01   try it and then you find out that I'll [TS]

00:09:04   be darned this actually works for their [TS]

00:09:06   problems with it but we can actually fix [TS]

00:09:08   them [TS]

00:09:08   there's nothing more satisfying than [TS]

00:09:10   walking out of the theater seeing [TS]

00:09:12   something that you feel as though you've [TS]

00:09:13   never ever seen before and that really [TS]

00:09:15   is what what I how I walked out of this [TS]

00:09:18   movie [TS]

00:09:18   David what are your initial thoughts [TS]

00:09:20   about inside out [TS]

00:09:22   well you know I went into it optimistic [TS]

00:09:24   because i'm at the point where you know [TS]

00:09:27   they've won my trust right I'll go with [TS]

00:09:30   them pretty much anywhere even the [TS]

00:09:32   sequel's okay that I mean you have cars [TS]

00:09:35   2 i'm not gonna watch cars to that many [TS]

00:09:38   times but I didn't hate it you know and [TS]

00:09:43   so this you know just sort of like this [TS]

00:09:45   was the kind of thing I wanted to see [TS]

00:09:46   them doing 20 years in right you know [TS]

00:09:49   they're not just doing shrink five [TS]

00:09:52   they're doing something different there [TS]

00:09:54   doing something original and they've had [TS]

00:09:56   a huge opening with it I mean you know [TS]

00:09:59   forget the stupid dinosaur movie and it [TS]

00:10:00   really is a stupid dinosaur movie but [TS]

00:10:03   this is this is the best original movie [TS]

00:10:05   opening of you know how many years and [TS]

00:10:09   it the the it's such a hard sell [TS]

00:10:13   you know and it's not it's not from 3d [TS]

00:10:15   tickets and it's not from expensive [TS]

00:10:17   tickets it's a it's a movie for kids and [TS]

00:10:19   it's still keeping up with jurassic [TS]

00:10:21   world pretty well so you know what does [TS]

00:10:24   that say it's a really good movie and so [TS]

00:10:26   so I was optimistic going in and the [TS]

00:10:30   thing that the thing that makes me think [TS]

00:10:31   it's for kids though as much as as we're [TS]

00:10:34   getting out of it is that you know about [TS]

00:10:38   about a third of the way in I thought [TS]

00:10:41   you know my ten-year-old is going to go [TS]

00:10:44   bananas for this right and we all went [TS]

00:10:46   so we're all sitting there and you know [TS]

00:10:48   and I don't talk about this much but he [TS]

00:10:50   does have anger issues sometimes anger [TS]

00:10:53   and fear and just you know just getting [TS]

00:10:55   very tense and lashing out at sudden [TS]

00:10:58   moments and he's never been able to [TS]

00:11:02   verbalize this or explain why this [TS]

00:11:05   happened [TS]

00:11:06   or when this happens you what is it the [TS]

00:11:08   triggered it [TS]

00:11:09   I don't know I forgot right and watching [TS]

00:11:13   this by the end of the movie he was [TS]

00:11:15   bananas for it right because now he had [TS]

00:11:20   an analogy now he had a way to describe [TS]

00:11:23   what was going on in his head [TS]

00:11:25   now he had some way of visualizing what [TS]

00:11:29   anger could do to him and what could [TS]

00:11:31   happen if you let the anger get away [TS]

00:11:33   with it right and that loan [TS]

00:11:37   I mean yeah we're gonna go see the [TS]

00:11:38   minions movie we're not going to get [TS]

00:11:40   that kind of Revelation out of the [TS]

00:11:42   minions movie [TS]

00:11:43   this was just you know I i would have [TS]

00:11:46   loved it as is but just the insight into [TS]

00:11:51   his brain for both of us not just not [TS]

00:11:54   just him but for me and the sea change [TS]

00:11:58   that's come over him since we've seen it [TS]

00:12:00   because now he is able to sort of put [TS]

00:12:02   the brakes on and say wait nope i'm [TS]

00:12:06   letting that get out of control i can't [TS]

00:12:07   do that or or to be able to accept [TS]

00:12:10   sadness like you know when when we [TS]

00:12:13   talked about it after its you saying [TS]

00:12:14   well you know it made me think of when [TS]

00:12:16   grandmother passed away and I was very [TS]

00:12:18   sad and I didn't know what to do and [TS]

00:12:21   this this sort of let him except that it [TS]

00:12:25   was okay to be sad sometimes and that's [TS]

00:12:27   an important thing for kids I mean that [TS]

00:12:29   is the lesson the joy learns right you [TS]

00:12:32   can't always be happy you can always put [TS]

00:12:36   a smile on it and just get past it [TS]

00:12:38   sometimes you do have to be sad and a [TS]

00:12:41   lot of the modern world these days is up [TS]

00:12:44   just put on a happy face you'll be fine [TS]

00:12:47   and no it is okay to be sad [TS]

00:12:50   so so i think i think it's equally for [TS]

00:12:53   parents and kids I somebody in the [TS]

00:12:55   chatroom said and I had the same thought [TS]

00:12:57   to that these analogies will be used by [TS]

00:13:00   I think lots of people you know that [TS]

00:13:03   could be good or bad but I think [TS]

00:13:05   thinking about your emotions and and how [TS]

00:13:08   they how they affect you and that end [TS]

00:13:10   and how you access them having a [TS]

00:13:13   metaphor for that even if it is [TS]

00:13:15   something that has taken from a movie [TS]

00:13:17   could be could be really valuable and [TS]

00:13:19   III [TS]

00:13:19   I suspect something that my wife said at [TS]

00:13:22   dinner tonight went because she knew we [TS]

00:13:24   were going to be talking about this was [TS]

00:13:26   she's already seen just in her daily [TS]

00:13:28   life like working at the library that [TS]

00:13:30   people come in and you know are angry [TS]

00:13:33   and she's like yep there's somebody back [TS]

00:13:36   there you know pushing your buttons [TS]

00:13:38   that's what's happening it's just like [TS]

00:13:39   just to personify that a little bit more [TS]

00:13:41   about how you know why why are people [TS]

00:13:43   behaving the way they are and thinking [TS]

00:13:45   at that level about it and and and [TS]

00:13:46   creating some imagery around that I [TS]

00:13:48   think is interesting i mean i thought it [TS]

00:13:50   was fascinating that if you if you pay [TS]

00:13:52   attention [TS]

00:13:53   look at who's the central emotion ya [TS]

00:13:57   notice anyting each head as you see it [TS]

00:14:00   so i can the bus driver [TS]

00:14:01   they're all anger but in in the mother [TS]

00:14:04   its sadness absent father had anger [TS]

00:14:07   yeah and and that was just that and they [TS]

00:14:10   didn't edit in lean on that didn't like [TS]

00:14:12   how it out it was just there and I [TS]

00:14:14   noticed immediately as soon as that I [TS]

00:14:15   had I hadn't noticed in the trails which [TS]

00:14:17   is testament to how much as movie wraps [TS]

00:14:18   you into this world during the trailers [TS]

00:14:20   they showed the same seems like the [TS]

00:14:21   dinner table and whatever didn't notice [TS]

00:14:22   at all once i was into the movie the [TS]

00:14:24   second they cut inside the moms had one [TS]

00:14:26   just like it sadness is then charging [TS]

00:14:28   her head because they've trained you to [TS]

00:14:30   watch the movie by that point if they've [TS]

00:14:32   got you into the conceit around and you [TS]

00:14:34   know it now [TS]

00:14:35   whereas in the trailer you just go up [TS]

00:14:37   funny thing what did she say you know [TS]

00:14:40   yeah and it also kind of made me think [TS]

00:14:42   is it possible that the emotions in this [TS]

00:14:45   world can actually undergo transitions [TS]

00:14:48   because seeing how confident and assured [TS]

00:14:50   and not mopey sadness was inside her mom [TS]

00:14:53   said does that mean that at some point [TS]

00:14:55   sadness when you transitioned into [TS]

00:14:57   adulthood becomes coping knows [TS]

00:15:00   yes it seems it seems like an [TS]

00:15:01   interesting note that at that picture [TS]

00:15:03   was saying it was sending with that [TS]

00:15:05   yeah they're in a dress differently as [TS]

00:15:07   well and I really like the at the bit at [TS]

00:15:09   the end they do emphasize that the [TS]

00:15:10   control panel changes significantly more [TS]

00:15:12   buttons more more levels of detail and [TS]

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00:16:09   just a razor blade kind of place and the [TS]

00:16:12   ship to your front door they bought the [TS]

00:16:14   whole factory they like the blades they [TS]

00:16:17   got from the factory in Germany so much [TS]

00:16:18   that Harry's bought the factory you get [TS]

00:16:22   a better shave respect your skin your [TS]

00:16:24   face your legs and your wallet no more [TS]

00:16:27   bad quality bit blades no more plexi [TS]

00:16:29   glass cabinets at the drugstore and find [TS]

00:16:32   a clerk and get them to unlock it [TS]

00:16:34   great starter set that they've got [TS]

00:16:36   fifteen dollars you get a razor you get [TS]

00:16:37   the moisturizing shave cream and you get [TS]

00:16:39   three razor blades and you can use my [TS]

00:16:41   promo code smell and get five dollars [TS]

00:16:43   off that for an even more amazing deal [TS]

00:16:46   men women it doesn't matter [TS]

00:16:50   all of us have hair that we want to [TS]

00:16:52   shave away and we need razors that shave [TS]

00:16:55   well and do not suck this is the moment [TS]

00:16:58   where I have to tell you and I know some [TS]

00:17:00   people are tired of hearing this for me [TS]

00:17:02   but i love the shape cream from Harry's [TS]

00:17:05   I i loved the razor i use the harris [TS]

00:17:07   razor everyday it's changed the way i [TS]

00:17:09   shave i follow their approach you know [TS]

00:17:11   you shave down menu shave up but their [TS]

00:17:15   shape cream which has got this mild min [TS]

00:17:17   sent I've actually switch from my main [TS]

00:17:19   my big brand shaving gel to the shape [TS]

00:17:22   because i like how it feels and I like [TS]

00:17:23   how it smells i was very smell sensitive [TS]

00:17:25   i don't like I've always buy unscented [TS]

00:17:27   it's very hard to find the unscented [TS]

00:17:29   shaving cream [TS]

00:17:29   Harry's shave cream is scented but it is [TS]

00:17:32   very gentle a very little mint smell [TS]

00:17:36   that I can smell when it's going on but [TS]

00:17:37   by the time I watch my face off at the [TS]

00:17:39   end of my shave the smell is gone and it [TS]

00:17:42   doesn't linger with me all day which I [TS]

00:17:44   hate [TS]

00:17:45   so I love [TS]

00:17:45   that about Harry's to alright shipped to [TS]

00:17:48   your door why quality shave looks and [TS]

00:17:52   feels great [TS]

00:17:53   what more do you need go to Harry's [TS]

00:17:55   dot-com right now five dollars off of [TS]

00:17:57   you use my coupon code smell with your [TS]

00:17:59   first purchase that's Harry calm and [TS]

00:18:01   enter coupon code smell for five dollars [TS]

00:18:03   off and thank you so much to harry's for [TS]

00:18:05   making men and women have smooth skin [TS]

00:18:08   without the hassle the moms the moms [TS]

00:18:12   people are all sitting around the table [TS]

00:18:13   all dress very seriously unlike a huge [TS]

00:18:15   console-like there at nasa mission [TS]

00:18:17   control right whereas inside the Riley's [TS]

00:18:20   head there dressed more fancifully their [TS]

00:18:22   control panels more like fisher-price [TS]

00:18:24   toy type of thing like that at every [TS]

00:18:26   level they really thought about all the [TS]

00:18:28   different things and some of them ended [TS]

00:18:30   up being important plot point someone [TS]

00:18:31   and it being gag lines and some of them [TS]

00:18:33   end up unmentioned at all like we're [TS]

00:18:34   just talking about the just they're just [TS]

00:18:35   the background of the movie but they all [TS]

00:18:37   ended in the giant like let's brainstorm [TS]

00:18:40   everything that we can say about the the [TS]

00:18:43   interior of the mind is clear that some [TS]

00:18:44   of them were elevated to this is going [TS]

00:18:47   to be an important part of the story [TS]

00:18:48   brothers were like this is a good idea [TS]

00:18:50   to that's just part of the world but [TS]

00:18:52   this isn't else is also interesting that [TS]

00:18:54   you have these the islands of what what [TS]

00:18:57   her world is really all about [TS]

00:18:59   I thought I was actually kind of scared [TS]

00:19:00   when I start co she's losing her ability [TS]

00:19:03   just to be a nut like okay I understand [TS]

00:19:06   that you become older and your ability [TS]

00:19:07   to simply say I don't I all I just want [TS]

00:19:10   to spin in circles until I throw up you [TS]

00:19:12   lose that you know hopefully when you [TS]

00:19:13   get into your teenage years but then say [TS]

00:19:16   oh god she's losing hockey she does that [TS]

00:19:18   mean that she's not gonna be she's going [TS]

00:19:19   to not want to play hockey anymore and [TS]

00:19:21   then when family starts to crumble that [TS]

00:19:24   starts oh noes that mean that she's [TS]

00:19:25   losing her connection her anchors to to [TS]

00:19:28   reality of and love I thought was really [TS]

00:19:30   interesting to see that you sort of the [TS]

00:19:32   the message of if there was one was that [TS]

00:19:34   it's not as though these things go away [TS]

00:19:37   forever but you rebuild a new version of [TS]

00:19:39   family that includes san francisco now [TS]

00:19:42   and you have a new version of hockey [TS]

00:19:43   that doesn't include the people that you [TS]

00:19:45   were playing with before but you [TS]

00:19:47   basically you had to destroy the old one [TS]

00:19:49   in order to build a brand new one that's [TS]

00:19:50   going to work for you for the next five [TS]

00:19:51   or six years [TS]

00:19:52   yeah that's definitely a parent message [TS]

00:19:54   because the message of other kids movies [TS]

00:19:56   is there is some sort of conflict is a [TS]

00:19:57   challenging your [TS]

00:19:58   for coming and you come out the other [TS]

00:19:59   side and so you have overcome it and [TS]

00:20:02   this one [TS]

00:20:02   like I don't know how much kids get from [TS]

00:20:05   this but like part of my feeling coming [TS]

00:20:06   out of the movie was just general cut [TS]

00:20:08   like there's like different melancholy [TS]

00:20:10   because it's like it's emphasizing the [TS]

00:20:11   thing that we all know as adults is that [TS]

00:20:13   as you get older and you know getting [TS]

00:20:17   more sophisticated control panel doing [TS]

00:20:18   all that stuff like it comes with [TS]

00:20:20   sacrifices those islands that crumble [TS]

00:20:22   and fall into think they don't come back [TS]

00:20:23   up and the ones that replace them are [TS]

00:20:25   different that they're there are parts [TS]

00:20:27   of yourself that are going to be [TS]

00:20:28   destroyed in painful ways not like [TS]

00:20:30   triumphantly destroyed and the Phoenix [TS]

00:20:32   comes from the ashes but as in you're [TS]

00:20:34   never going to get that back [TS]

00:20:36   that's like sort of the pain of growing [TS]

00:20:37   up right and kids maybe they're kind of [TS]

00:20:40   getting it but a lot of kids haven't [TS]

00:20:42   gone through that yet like in the movie [TS]

00:20:43   was unashamedly saying like this part of [TS]

00:20:47   you is going away and it's sad when it [TS]

00:20:49   goes away and the things they replace it [TS]

00:20:51   will be different and not as good and [TS]

00:20:53   deserving obviously be more [TS]

00:20:54   sophisticated more complicated more [TS]

00:20:55   interesting have their own interesting [TS]

00:20:57   challenges but the old you is dying and [TS]

00:21:00   the death of the old you is sad and for [TS]

00:21:02   a kids movie have that messages i don't [TS]

00:21:05   know it's it's a it's pretty [TS]

00:21:06   sophisticated and pretty serious i think [TS]

00:21:10   we any and the message the message of [TS]

00:21:12   the contestants just to underscore what [TS]

00:21:14   you're saying the the message that comes [TS]

00:21:15   out of that is not that this will be [TS]

00:21:17   replaced with something even more mature [TS]

00:21:20   or it will be replaced with something [TS]

00:21:21   different and the by analogy is [TS]

00:21:24   displacing other things it's like [TS]

00:21:25   literally getting rid of their going [TS]

00:21:27   into the memory dump they're gonna go [TS]

00:21:29   away and i think there's there's [TS]

00:21:31   something about that i think that's [TS]

00:21:32   ultimately what makes this movie its [TS]

00:21:34   wife for me the scenes in the memory [TS]

00:21:35   down for the ones that tore my heart out [TS]

00:21:37   the most was because that whole idea of [TS]

00:21:39   like one has a you know it made my kid [TS]

00:21:42   cry twice because I mean the idea of [TS]

00:21:44   like an unloved stuffed animal kind of [TS]

00:21:46   notion right there's this thing that I [TS]

00:21:48   remember used to used to like that not [TS]

00:21:50   only think about anymore isn't that [TS]

00:21:51   strange even a kid can get that but for [TS]

00:21:54   a parent I mean there's so many levels [TS]

00:21:56   that works on where you find yourself [TS]

00:21:58   thinking about me again why I can't help [TS]

00:22:00   but think of toy story 3 especially that [TS]

00:22:02   in the last act or III where it's about [TS]

00:22:04   so much more than toys and kids it's [TS]

00:22:07   about i mean the the the toy story 3 of [TS]

00:22:09   the parents we all know that we're the [TS]

00:22:11   ones that are needed where [TS]

00:22:11   once they're gonna go in the Attic [TS]

00:22:12   that's that's the part that becomes so [TS]

00:22:14   brutal as you're thinking like I [TS]

00:22:16   remember actually getting emotional but [TS]

00:22:18   I remember one day realizing that I [TS]

00:22:21   don't have that many memories that [TS]

00:22:22   precede being 45 years old up and i [TS]

00:22:25   remember having to stay with my kid was [TS]

00:22:27   in probably just about finishing [TS]

00:22:28   preschool was like wow it's very [TS]

00:22:31   unlikely that she's gonna remember [TS]

00:22:33   anything that happened to her before [TS]

00:22:35   this time she might remember one or two [TS]

00:22:36   things there might be things that we [TS]

00:22:38   help her build a memory about but like [TS]

00:22:40   all these things that like constitute my [TS]

00:22:41   entire relationship with my child are [TS]

00:22:43   going to be utterly obliterated miss [TS]

00:22:45   it's around the age of five between five [TS]

00:22:46   and 10 is when a huge amount of a [TS]

00:22:48   child's memories are very naturally kind [TS]

00:22:50   of wiped away and replaced with kind of [TS]

00:22:51   information so i don't know i think it [TS]

00:22:53   works on a lot of levels and it's it's [TS]

00:22:55   it's you know it but it can get to a kid [TS]

00:22:58   too and it's not you know i think that's [TS]

00:23:00   that's what makes a great pixar movies [TS]

00:23:02   you can take something this weird and [TS]

00:23:04   abstract and using things like [TS]

00:23:05   characters that are a certain color can [TS]

00:23:08   like take this out where the abstract [TS]

00:23:09   idea and make it something that's [TS]

00:23:10   incredibly affecting well and and you [TS]

00:23:13   know the again thinking of toy story 3 [TS]

00:23:15   about about halfway through something in [TS]

00:23:18   my brain clicked and now I mean I love [TS]

00:23:22   toy story 3 and I've said for years that [TS]

00:23:24   I mean we walked out of that and I went [TS]

00:23:26   that's the divine comedy i mean it's [TS]

00:23:28   it's purgatory paradise and hell it's [TS]

00:23:31   all there [TS]

00:23:32   and this is almost i would love to know [TS]

00:23:37   if if anyone involved in it [TS]

00:23:39   intentionally or unintentionally made it [TS]

00:23:43   into the pilgrims progress by john [TS]

00:23:44   bunyan it's it's the same kind of thing [TS]

00:23:47   an abstract journey from one place to [TS]

00:23:49   another and the growth of a person as [TS]

00:23:52   they run into all these extra things i [TS]

00:23:53   gotta say the word David it's an hour [TS]

00:23:55   and it is what is it that's what analogy [TS]

00:23:58   it's an allegory yeah and and it's it's [TS]

00:24:00   just so artfully done and just being [TS]

00:24:05   able to look at this and go all right [TS]

00:24:07   this is this is a little more ambitious [TS]

00:24:09   than cars too [TS]

00:24:10   well I mean but I mean something [TS]

00:24:12   something about it is is what these [TS]

00:24:13   characters represent because you could [TS]

00:24:14   look at somebody like Bing bong I'm i [TS]

00:24:17   mentioned writing bomb right again great [TS]

00:24:20   woman great rich great Richard kind [TS]

00:24:22   performance to always liked him [TS]

00:24:23   I think it's just perfectly match [TS]

00:24:25   he's now often in front and a cat in the [TS]

00:24:28   back and I don't have gotten the middle [TS]

00:24:30   somewhere but a character like that not [TS]

00:24:34   that different in some ways from you [TS]

00:24:36   know from your your Sully and monsters [TS]

00:24:39   and ink or something like that right not [TS]

00:24:41   that doesn't have a different but it's [TS]

00:24:42   it's what he represents in this story [TS]

00:24:46   and in in the allegory here and that [TS]

00:24:48   that this is the the loss of innocence [TS]

00:24:51   and that he's a he's a UH a purified [TS]

00:24:55   fragment of childhood sweetness that is [TS]

00:24:58   doomed [TS]

00:24:59   yeah I noticed that I such respect for [TS]

00:25:04   Pixar that sometimes to my detriment I'm [TS]

00:25:07   think I'm trying to get ahead of the [TS]

00:25:08   movie and thinking oh bing-bong he's [TS]

00:25:11   pink and none of the emotions are pink [TS]

00:25:13   so I bet that he gets to like graduate [TS]

00:25:16   out of this place and he becomes like [TS]

00:25:17   another part of the control room and he [TS]

00:25:20   turns into another emotion when really [TS]

00:25:22   love rationally there really was only [TS]

00:25:24   one way for that for his storyline to [TS]

00:25:27   end he he was he was living he was [TS]

00:25:30   living where he was living because he [TS]

00:25:31   had no role and he was lucky to and he [TS]

00:25:34   just the there's he had there's no use [TS]

00:25:37   for him in the world that was coming as [TS]

00:25:39   a parent I immediately saw a big bong [TS]

00:25:41   and he was like a red shirt and star [TS]

00:25:42   trek I'm like oh man we have to see [TS]

00:25:44   because the the imaginary friends don't [TS]

00:25:46   survive right they don't survive so I [TS]

00:25:48   immediately liked 00 Big Hmong it's not [TS]

00:25:50   gonna go well right so I knew that he [TS]

00:25:53   was doomed going in because I I you know [TS]

00:25:55   I've seen that I've seen that happen and [TS]

00:25:57   like Merlin said like you'll bring it up [TS]

00:26:00   to your kid remember your imaginary [TS]

00:26:02   friend over the like they're like what [TS]

00:26:04   you're talking about i never had an [TS]

00:26:04   imaginary friend you remember it because [TS]

00:26:06   they had when they were three or four [TS]

00:26:08   but they have no memory of it at all [TS]

00:26:09   unless unless you work to keep reminding [TS]

00:26:11   them of it and there but like if you [TS]

00:26:13   wait a couple years and go ahead [TS]

00:26:15   remember when you were three and you [TS]

00:26:16   have an imaginary friend will be like [TS]

00:26:17   you don't know I didn't like it like it [TS]

00:26:19   really goes to the memory dump and is [TS]

00:26:21   you know replaced by something else [TS]

00:26:24   entirely and the the kid is none the [TS]

00:26:28   worse for wear a little you know it's [TS]

00:26:29   like paternalism or maternal isn't like [TS]

00:26:31   feeling like you have our have to [TS]

00:26:34   protect your travels but that's that's [TS]

00:26:35   where this movie hit me a lot as a [TS]

00:26:37   parent is that [TS]

00:26:38   these things that are happening the kids [TS]

00:26:39   internal world the thing is crumbling [TS]

00:26:41   and the difficulties or whatever in the [TS]

00:26:44   movie and you know in our hearts we feel [TS]

00:26:46   like that this is this is our fault [TS]

00:26:48   somehow and some of it is like we got [TS]

00:26:50   the new job and moved to the new city [TS]

00:26:51   how to suspect your kid everything you [TS]

00:26:53   do affects your kid in ways you can't [TS]

00:26:54   possibly imagine [TS]

00:26:56   is it like your fault these things are [TS]

00:26:57   happening and then you want to protect [TS]

00:26:59   your kids from like I don't want parts [TS]

00:27:02   of their world to crumble I don't want [TS]

00:27:04   their first day of school to end in [TS]

00:27:05   tears and yet it has two and you have no [TS]

00:27:08   control over it and this is what's going [TS]

00:27:09   to happen and should you never have [TS]

00:27:11   moved they have to live in a bubble like [TS]

00:27:13   that your kid is going to go through all [TS]

00:27:14   these things and grow up and have the [TS]

00:27:16   same category experiences that you do [TS]

00:27:18   and you don't want this stuff to happen [TS]

00:27:20   but it's going to and that's why I gotta [TS]

00:27:23   have that the melancholy feeling for the [TS]

00:27:25   the parent angles like in many respects [TS]

00:27:28   it's outside the parents control and [TS]

00:27:30   it's all the parents doing you know [TS]

00:27:32   indirectly like not really but you do [TS]

00:27:35   you feel that way you know you can see [TS]

00:27:36   them when my mom talks in the kid and [TS]

00:27:39   says you know thanks for being so happy [TS]

00:27:40   for us or whatever like you feel [TS]

00:27:42   terrible if you've ever said something [TS]

00:27:44   like that because I can you know do you [TS]

00:27:45   realize what you're putting on your kid [TS]

00:27:46   at that point maybe you do maybe you [TS]

00:27:48   don't maybe you had a bad day like this [TS]

00:27:50   is a brutal movie for kids or parents [TS]

00:27:52   like it could I'd like that the kids are [TS]

00:27:54   never going to get that I wouldn't have [TS]

00:27:56   gotten to know you know ten years ago [TS]

00:27:57   like it's just it's just brutal i can [TS]

00:28:00   and in a way like that the parents but [TS]

00:28:02   we aren't perfect parents to do the [TS]

00:28:03   right thing all the time and and the [TS]

00:28:05   parents aren't saving Riley from all [TS]

00:28:07   this pain and they can't and sometimes [TS]

00:28:09   they're making it worse and I mean they [TS]

00:28:10   come through in the end that's all we [TS]

00:28:12   can hope to do man it's like daggers to [TS]

00:28:14   the heart [TS]

00:28:15   well and just like just like accepting [TS]

00:28:17   for Riley that sadness or joy rather [TS]

00:28:20   that sadness is important sometimes [TS]

00:28:22   that's also important for us to accept [TS]

00:28:24   that we're not going to be perfect [TS]

00:28:26   parents we can't be [TS]

00:28:28   we can't always save the day and we just [TS]

00:28:31   have to know when is the right moment to [TS]

00:28:33   save the day you know at the end of the [TS]

00:28:35   movie they come in and and they do the [TS]

00:28:37   right thing at the right moment and it [TS]

00:28:39   all clicks and when we in the memory [TS]

00:28:42   where she loses the hockey game they [TS]

00:28:44   came in at the right moment and they [TS]

00:28:46   knew how to fix that and and you're [TS]

00:28:50   being able to accept that [TS]

00:28:51   yeah we're going to have those moments [TS]

00:28:54   and hopefully we'll have a lot of those [TS]

00:28:56   and hopefully that's the majority of the [TS]

00:28:58   moments we have but we're not always [TS]

00:29:00   going to be there we're not always gonna [TS]

00:29:01   be able to save the first day of school [TS]

00:29:04   I don't think it was an accident that [TS]

00:29:06   the screen that I went to there was a [TS]

00:29:08   lie here I heard a lot more grown-up [TS]

00:29:10   crying oh yeah oh yeah oh my god this is [TS]

00:29:13   this is one of those when i looked when [TS]

00:29:15   bing-bong looks down at his arm and it [TS]

00:29:17   starts fading and I idea I was like I [TS]

00:29:20   know exactly what's gonna happen now and [TS]

00:29:22   he's gonna jump out of the wagon and [TS]

00:29:24   she's gonna get up there and and that's [TS]

00:29:26   the hero's journey right the mentor the [TS]

00:29:28   friend sort of falls by the wayside to [TS]

00:29:31   let the hero continue that is the [TS]

00:29:33   purpose the parents journey to isn't it [TS]

00:29:35   is it is absolutely i gotta let this [TS]

00:29:37   person going to fade away into the [TS]

00:29:39   background of this person's life and [TS]

00:29:41   Undertaker to the moon that's my job [TS]

00:29:43   that's exactly what John was saying that [TS]

00:29:44   like I'm having to realize every day is [TS]

00:29:48   that the the better i am at my job the [TS]

00:29:51   more I am figuring out the right time to [TS]

00:29:53   stay completely out of the way which is [TS]

00:29:55   a very difficult thing to accept much [TS]

00:29:57   harder than I ever expected and in a [TS]

00:30:00   case of something like that it's we [TS]

00:30:02   talked about this last night on Twitter [TS]

00:30:04   little bit Andy but the just the fact [TS]

00:30:06   that the way to use a wrestling term the [TS]

00:30:08   way bing bong sells it [TS]

00:30:09   I love that he's not sad in the pit [TS]

00:30:11   that's what makes it kind of 8 12 times [TS]

00:30:14   worse is he's like she's gonna be okay [TS]

00:30:17   is like don't feel bad you know he [TS]

00:30:19   doesn't signal feel bad about me is the [TS]

00:30:20   whole implications my whole job is to be [TS]

00:30:22   here I serve at your pleasure and like [TS]

00:30:24   just go take over the moon for me you [TS]

00:30:25   know like go do it this is our job [TS]

00:30:28   this is what we have he died with a [TS]

00:30:29   sword and shield in his hand which is [TS]

00:30:30   everything that you kind of want to do [TS]

00:30:32   also the env parents like it I i took my [TS]

00:30:36   kids to see this and then they enjoyed [TS]

00:30:38   it but i think i think very much it was [TS]

00:30:40   one of those things where they found an [TS]

00:30:41   enjoyable and have thought about the [TS]

00:30:43   emotion stuff afterward but it the there [TS]

00:30:44   is an emotional kick that parents get [TS]

00:30:46   that the kids don't get and I think it [TS]

00:30:48   stems from we talk about toys you [TS]

00:30:50   mentioned had that and and I was [TS]

00:30:52   thinking about this the when I was [TS]

00:30:53   putting my son to bed the other night [TS]

00:30:54   that you know his toy that he sleep with [TS]

00:30:57   every night to him is something that [TS]

00:31:01   he's going to give up at some point and [TS]

00:31:02   it's going to become kind of an abstract [TS]

00:31:03   fond memory [TS]

00:31:04   like oh yeah I had that monkey that that [TS]

00:31:06   you know slept forgiven or whatever [TS]

00:31:08   whatever it is an identifiable primate [TS]

00:31:11   that that that he has next has been [TS]

00:31:14   every night and for him that's going to [TS]

00:31:16   kind of fade away and and and that'll be [TS]

00:31:18   that for me [TS]

00:31:20   that thing is a representation of his [TS]

00:31:23   childhood and so in the end it's way [TS]

00:31:26   more sentimental for me it's way more [TS]

00:31:27   important emotionally for me than it is [TS]

00:31:29   for him even though i don't need to have [TS]

00:31:31   it next to my bed when I go to sleep he [TS]

00:31:34   does eat indian he will put it away and [TS]

00:31:37   that'sthat's all the stuff that I'm [TS]

00:31:39   thinking about when I'm when I'm looking [TS]

00:31:40   at bing bong is his you know his job is [TS]

00:31:44   to be is to fade away but you know as a [TS]

00:31:46   parent you also you know you mourn him [TS]

00:31:50   fading away because that's childhood [TS]

00:31:52   fading away [TS]

00:31:53   it's like I've I've got this paddington [TS]

00:31:55   bear sitting on my nightstand that I've [TS]

00:31:58   had for 35 years and so he still there [TS]

00:32:03   I haven't I haven't totally put him away [TS]

00:32:04   but when i was little he had a voice he [TS]

00:32:09   had a personality he interacted right [TS]

00:32:11   you know i was doing the whole jim [TS]

00:32:13   henson thing with them and it had [TS]

00:32:14   nothing to do with the actual Paddington [TS]

00:32:15   books or anything he abuses this totally [TS]

00:32:18   different personality that's good [TS]

00:32:19   because I'll be unauthorized fanfiction [TS]

00:32:21   David yes and I wouldn't I wouldn't do [TS]

00:32:23   that we want to talk about the star trek [TS]

00:32:25   place it but a couple years ago [TS]

00:32:29   you know I i picked him up and I thought [TS]

00:32:31   you know can i still do the voice [TS]

00:32:33   because you know that was before my [TS]

00:32:34   voice changed so it was a very high sort [TS]

00:32:36   of free voice and and i was able to [TS]

00:32:40   approximate but he sounded older and he [TS]

00:32:42   didn't you know the character didn't [TS]

00:32:44   quite come all the way back and it [TS]

00:32:47   wasn't quite the same and and obviously [TS]

00:32:49   I don't play with him all day long [TS]

00:32:52   because you know I'm not nine anymore [TS]

00:32:55   I know it's hard to believe and and and [TS]

00:32:59   that was that it was a similar kind of [TS]

00:33:00   sadness for me that that was like all [TS]

00:33:03   right this was a huge part of my life [TS]

00:33:04   this was a very important thing to me at [TS]

00:33:07   one point and it's not that I've [TS]

00:33:09   forgotten them it's not that I've let [TS]

00:33:11   him go completely but I can't quite get [TS]

00:33:14   that back and and that's not gonna come [TS]

00:33:16   back and it bent it's ok that it doesn't [TS]

00:33:18   compare but that's the irony is that [TS]

00:33:20   even I still got my first and second [TS]

00:33:23   stuffed animal they both been passed I [TS]

00:33:25   was a big fan of stuffed animals they [TS]

00:33:26   both passed on my kid [TS]

00:33:28   one of them is a stuffed dog my parents [TS]

00:33:30   got me was in the hospital when I was to [TS]

00:33:31   any other ones a teddy bear that i had a [TS]

00:33:33   few years after that even though I look [TS]

00:33:35   at them and it's a husk of what it was [TS]

00:33:37   because it doesn't it doesn't mean the [TS]

00:33:39   same thing so that's the other part of [TS]

00:33:41   this is even if you are like a memory [TS]

00:33:43   hoarder and you keep all the stuff [TS]

00:33:45   around the the the essence of what made [TS]

00:33:48   that thing special when your kid is gone [TS]

00:33:50   because you're not a kid anymore and [TS]

00:33:52   that's that's ultimately the sadness [TS]

00:33:53   inside of the sadness is that you know [TS]

00:33:55   you got what you want to still be really [TS]

00:33:57   into that stuffed animal will know [TS]

00:33:58   there's a part of you that knows that [TS]

00:34:00   that's gone that is in the memory dump [TS]

00:34:01   and will never come back even if being [TS]

00:34:03   more still around [TS]

00:34:04   they will be looking cute thing we think [TS]

00:34:05   about twice a year but that that's [TS]

00:34:07   that's the part that really gets me is [TS]

00:34:08   that a no I thought I'd love to talk a [TS]

00:34:10   little bit about the mechanics because [TS]

00:34:12   it sounds obvious but like to talk about [TS]

00:34:14   the mechanics of how you take this [TS]

00:34:16   really abstract idea using things as [TS]

00:34:19   simple as these avatars and these colors [TS]

00:34:23   the way the role of color and this is so [TS]

00:34:24   important to wear by the end I mean like [TS]

00:34:27   I my note here my first know right down [TS]

00:34:30   like that the moment I see a memory [TS]

00:34:31   that's blue and gold [TS]

00:34:33   I'm making that is one of the most [TS]

00:34:35   brilliant cinematic strokes I've ever [TS]

00:34:37   seen [TS]

00:34:38   I like it started crying you explain [TS]

00:34:40   right but you explain that to somebody [TS]

00:34:41   it sounds it sounds so trite it sounds [TS]

00:34:43   so silly but like the the ability to [TS]

00:34:45   take all those incredibly abstract [TS]

00:34:47   emotionally heavy ideas but then create [TS]

00:34:49   what you call what you want the [TS]

00:34:51   mechanics or there they give the world [TS]

00:34:53   building a visual language gym right [TS]

00:34:55   time for a sponsor break let me tell you [TS]

00:34:57   about casper mattresses obsessively [TS]

00:35:00   engineering american-made mattresses at [TS]

00:35:02   a shockingly fair price [TS]

00:35:05   now you spend about a third of your life [TS]

00:35:06   this is a biological fact unless you're [TS]

00:35:08   some sort of vampire sleeping [TS]

00:35:10   you should do it on a good mattress but [TS]

00:35:13   when you go to a mattress store you [TS]

00:35:15   might lay down on a mattress for a [TS]

00:35:17   minute or two people start looking at [TS]

00:35:20   you funny feeling down for an hour to [TS]

00:35:22   and actually sleep on those mattresses [TS]

00:35:24   we have to make a guess when you're not [TS]

00:35:26   in a good position to judge [TS]

00:35:29   Casper solves the problem of a good [TS]

00:35:32   feeling mattress and the problem of [TS]

00:35:34   trying out a mattress both of these [TS]

00:35:36   things are solved by Casper the Casper [TS]

00:35:38   mattress itself has two great [TS]

00:35:40   technologies that have been that have [TS]

00:35:41   been brought together in this product [TS]

00:35:43   there's latex foam on top [TS]

00:35:45   very nice very comfy and memory foam [TS]

00:35:48   underneath so what they say is it's got [TS]

00:35:50   just the right sync on top just the [TS]

00:35:51   right bounce a lot of support no matter [TS]

00:35:53   how you sleep now the other part there's [TS]

00:35:57   a risk-free trial and return policy [TS]

00:35:59   Casper will deliver a mattress straight [TS]

00:36:01   to you in a box shipped to your door and [TS]

00:36:03   you can try it for a hundred days and if [TS]

00:36:06   you're not happy they'll pick it back up [TS]

00:36:08   they'll take it away so you can decide [TS]

00:36:10   if you're afraid you're like I don't [TS]

00:36:12   know how it's going to feel I don't know [TS]

00:36:13   if I'm if I'm gonna like it try it and [TS]

00:36:16   if you don't like it you just send it [TS]

00:36:17   back [TS]

00:36:17   pretty neat they sent to me in that [TS]

00:36:20   little box opens and expands to fill the [TS]

00:36:22   space we got a queen-size mattress put [TS]

00:36:24   in our bedroom replacing our old king [TS]

00:36:26   size mattress and it's super comfy [TS]

00:36:28   I i can only tell you the truth I would [TS]

00:36:31   not lie to you my friends podcast [TS]

00:36:33   listeners it's actually a really [TS]

00:36:35   comfortable mattress and I'm very happy [TS]

00:36:37   to have my casper mattresses now casper [TS]

00:36:39   mattresses [TS]

00:36:39   how much would you pay the answer is a [TS]

00:36:41   lot less than you'd pay at a premium [TS]

00:36:43   mattress store five hundred dollars for [TS]

00:36:45   twin all the way up to 9 50 for a king [TS]

00:36:47   you compare that to the industry [TS]

00:36:48   averages it's a good price and now you [TS]

00:36:51   can make it even better by giving fifty [TS]

00:36:53   dollars off any mattress purchase by [TS]

00:36:55   going to Casper dot-com / smell that's [TS]

00:36:58   my last name and using code smell at [TS]

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00:37:03   thank you so much to Casper for [TS]

00:37:05   sponsoring the incomparable this is a [TS]

00:37:08   difficult this high difficulty paying [TS]

00:37:11   high degree of difficulty right if [TS]

00:37:12   you're in the Olympics and you you tried [TS]

00:37:14   I've that's got a certain number of [TS]

00:37:15   flips right you they say it's a high [TS]

00:37:17   degree of difficulty [TS]

00:37:18   this is that I to me that it's hard i'm [TS]

00:37:22   a little bit i think getting started it [TS]

00:37:24   is i think it shows the skill that the [TS]

00:37:27   story department has that the brain [TS]

00:37:29   trust has that that that Pixar has [TS]

00:37:31   building these things because you need [TS]

00:37:33   to have done this is pro level stuff you [TS]

00:37:35   need to have done a lot of these two to [TS]

00:37:37   get this right and I do think they get [TS]

00:37:39   it right because there is so much [TS]

00:37:40   world-building in the first 15 [TS]

00:37:42   minutes where they have to show you the [TS]

00:37:44   mechanics of what happens inside the [TS]

00:37:46   head and how it how it works outside in [TS]

00:37:49   the in the person that the the balls go [TS]

00:37:51   around and there's the thing that goes [TS]

00:37:52   to long-term memory and there's the core [TS]

00:37:54   thing that happens with the core [TS]

00:37:56   memories that glow and I have to admit [TS]

00:38:00   that there was a moment where I thought [TS]

00:38:01   wow this there's a lot of information [TS]

00:38:03   here like this is this is complicated [TS]

00:38:05   it-it-it past pretty quickly and after [TS]

00:38:08   about 10 or 15 minutes i thought well [TS]

00:38:09   you know even if that was a lot of work [TS]

00:38:11   now it's all pay off because now i [TS]

00:38:13   understand how this world works but it [TS]

00:38:15   was it is not a simple you know it's not [TS]

00:38:18   like what would it be like to be an and [TS]

00:38:20   it right it's it's a little more [TS]

00:38:23   complicated than that [TS]

00:38:24   hey the toys come to life they lead [TS]

00:38:27   another thing we do understand which is [TS]

00:38:28   we understand how people are born and [TS]

00:38:30   their babies and they grow so they [TS]

00:38:32   started out with the baby and the [TS]

00:38:34   control panel with the one button and [TS]

00:38:36   the one emotion of joy and then [TS]

00:38:39   switching just feel like they I think it [TS]

00:38:41   was a brilliant way to introduce the [TS]

00:38:43   world because if they had dumped you [TS]

00:38:44   right into Riley with her sweet of [TS]

00:38:46   people on her control panel [TS]

00:38:48   it might have been a lot to take in but [TS]

00:38:49   by bringing you by taking you through [TS]

00:38:51   all she was a baby and she had one [TS]

00:38:52   button and it was basically she was [TS]

00:38:54   happier she was said and moved up and [TS]

00:38:56   became you know like that that sort of [TS]

00:38:58   brings you along it tells it tells you [TS]

00:39:00   the rules of the world by analogy two [TS]

00:39:03   stages of development that you do [TS]

00:39:04   understand and then we spend most of the [TS]

00:39:06   movie and the however all she is [TS]

00:39:07   nine-year-old ten-year-old and that that [TS]

00:39:11   feels comfortable to us because we have [TS]

00:39:13   advanced through you know things and [TS]

00:39:15   showing you [TS]

00:39:16   they do a couple of like montages you [TS]

00:39:17   know of of the world building inside and [TS]

00:39:21   things happening outside and that is a [TS]

00:39:23   pretty even split between inside outside [TS]

00:39:25   inside outside with like a voiceover and [TS]

00:39:27   and the the whole setup I felt like it [TS]

00:39:29   was very smooth i didn't feel [TS]

00:39:30   overwhelmed at any point and I I i saw a [TS]

00:39:34   little bit of the wires how they were [TS]

00:39:35   doing it but I thought that was fine [TS]

00:39:37   because I like I said by the time but [TS]

00:39:39   I'm they're up to any of the scenes that [TS]

00:39:40   were in the trailer i was completely [TS]

00:39:42   sold on on the mechanics of how they [TS]

00:39:45   were going to the movie like it was a [TS]

00:39:46   second nature for that [TS]

00:39:47   yeah I i had some drive home thoughts [TS]

00:39:50   that kind of bad away thinking that well [TS]

00:39:53   it doesn't make sense that if this is [TS]

00:39:54   true that maybe that shouldn't have been [TS]

00:39:56   true and they stated a rule that's [TS]

00:39:59   beginning that didn't seem to be [TS]

00:40:00   consistent at the end but it'sit's me [TS]

00:40:03   write it really is about degree of [TS]

00:40:04   difficulty where the overall impression [TS]

00:40:07   that this movie made me with such that [TS]

00:40:09   it doesn't matter it's this is like [TS]

00:40:11   arguing that that tomato is not actually [TS]

00:40:13   a vegetable you just sound you're [TS]

00:40:15   technically correct but you sound [TS]

00:40:16   foolish because you're not able to see [TS]

00:40:18   the reality that's around you and [TS]

00:40:21   there's just I mean so much that's [TS]

00:40:23   deeply resonant and unfortunately i [TS]

00:40:26   don't have kids and after a movie like [TS]

00:40:28   this that is one of those times where i [TS]

00:40:30   am the am compelled to say that [TS]

00:40:32   compelled to say that the sad that I [TS]

00:40:34   don't have kids and even then even there [TS]

00:40:37   there's a lot of deep residents for the [TS]

00:40:41   people that you feel as though you were [TS]

00:40:43   serving rolls you're hoping that you're [TS]

00:40:45   serving a certain role in people's lives [TS]

00:40:47   are hoping that you're doing the right [TS]

00:40:48   job for them in your own life you [TS]

00:40:51   recognize the times when boy that was [TS]

00:40:54   really really tough and I did that thing [TS]

00:40:55   that I had to do and part of me did [TS]

00:40:57   crumble away and die and it was replaced [TS]

00:41:00   by something else but it was something [TS]

00:41:02   that is not correct to call it [TS]

00:41:03   necessarily something better but it's [TS]

00:41:05   something different and that's just sort [TS]

00:41:07   of the natural way of things and they're [TS]

00:41:08   very few I mean they're do I can't think [TS]

00:41:11   of many movies that are intended for [TS]

00:41:13   kids that can really just said its hooks [TS]

00:41:15   that deeply you what when the complaints [TS]

00:41:18   that i've been reading off and on online [TS]

00:41:20   is that this is not something that kids [TS]

00:41:23   are really going to get but that's ok [TS]

00:41:24   there how many great movies have I seen [TS]

00:41:26   where I enjoyed them on a certain level [TS]

00:41:28   when I was nine ten or eleven but only [TS]

00:41:31   when i became an adult and had different [TS]

00:41:32   perspective was able to really see [TS]

00:41:34   everything that was going on it because [TS]

00:41:36   it just opens new layers as you get more [TS]

00:41:38   layers of sophistication in your own [TS]

00:41:40   self is a ticking time bomb for kids [TS]

00:41:42   yeah i watch it now that we're 30 and [TS]

00:41:45   they have their own because they're [TS]

00:41:45   gonna watch it again and go all my god [TS]

00:41:47   movie is destroying me what is happening [TS]

00:41:48   i'm seeing it again for the first night [TS]

00:41:50   the the other part i agree with you and [TS]

00:41:52   there's times where I thought like you [TS]

00:41:54   know in that world building if if said [TS]

00:41:56   it touches something that supposed to [TS]

00:41:57   turn blue that doesn't always happen i [TS]

00:41:59   had this [TS]

00:41:59   I'm kind of thoughts but there's another [TS]

00:42:01   part of me and this is I guess my is [TS]

00:42:02   Kiki really talking to the cat part for [TS]

00:42:04   this one excellent and thank you [TS]

00:42:06   that wouldn't be a visit without me [TS]

00:42:08   doing that actually I have a I have a [TS]

00:42:10   kitty cat thing i have a Kiki note 2 so [TS]

00:42:12   yeah but the but there's a part of me [TS]

00:42:14   that also think that somebody who is [TS]

00:42:16   very interested in the idea of [TS]

00:42:17   mindfulness as i get older and I think [TS]

00:42:19   more about where emotions come from the [TS]

00:42:21   the movie they can see the movie that [TS]

00:42:23   really that works is that there's this [TS]

00:42:25   control panel in your head and your [TS]

00:42:26   emotions are guiding what you do the [TS]

00:42:28   thing that they couldn't do without [TS]

00:42:29   overcomplicating it is the idea that we [TS]

00:42:31   also do have control over our emotions [TS]

00:42:34   right so like when my daughter now we're [TS]

00:42:35   talking about tonight as tony was kinda [TS]

00:42:36   stressing out as I couldn't really have [TS]

00:42:38   that many smart things to say about this [TS]

00:42:39   what should we talk about it was telling [TS]

00:42:41   her how like she said well you know she [TS]

00:42:43   really liked the scene where anger goes [TS]

00:42:46   against the light bulb how great is that [TS]

00:42:48   power and plug it in and it's like we [TS]

00:42:50   were like yeah but you know hangers [TS]

00:42:52   hangers doing the best he can [TS]

00:42:53   in that case but like think about what [TS]

00:42:55   really happened there what we say is [TS]

00:42:57   we'll anchor had this idea that we can [TS]

00:42:59   fix this [TS]

00:43:00   logistical problem my problem of the [TS]

00:43:02   mechanics of the film basically we fix [TS]

00:43:04   this problem by running away and that's [TS]

00:43:06   the story but let's say what really [TS]

00:43:08   happened rally was mad so she decided to [TS]

00:43:11   run away from home like when you put it [TS]

00:43:13   in those terms like any other movie that [TS]

00:43:15   wouldn't be as interesting but in this [TS]

00:43:17   case there is this interplay between [TS]

00:43:18   like what I don't know how you talk [TS]

00:43:20   about the different parts of ourselves [TS]

00:43:21   you know without sounding like a loon [TS]

00:43:23   but like we do have some control over [TS]

00:43:25   our motion motion an awareness of our [TS]

00:43:27   emotions and we can with practice get [TS]

00:43:30   good at deciding who gets to push the [TS]

00:43:31   button and it but I mean I think if [TS]

00:43:33   they'd added that as an overt thing that [TS]

00:43:35   O'Reilly was like that Riley was up [TS]

00:43:37   sending you know something in a [TS]

00:43:39   pneumatic tube that they had to all [TS]

00:43:41   agree on like that that's not the point [TS]

00:43:42   the emotions are these different island [TS]

00:43:45   island sorry term of art but these do [TS]

00:43:47   these different characters with these [TS]

00:43:49   different jobs different roles but we as [TS]

00:43:51   people as we get older have more and [TS]

00:43:53   more executive function over what those [TS]

00:43:55   emotions will do will do so you know the [TS]

00:43:57   mechanic they couldn't have without [TS]

00:43:58   overcomplicating it is the rally also [TS]

00:44:00   has an impact on her own emotions and as [TS]

00:44:03   she gets older she'll have more and more [TS]

00:44:04   ability to do that and but i think i'm [TS]

00:44:07   glad they didn't overcomplicate that I'm [TS]

00:44:09   glad they gave us the mechanics [TS]

00:44:10   understand the vocabulary of how this [TS]

00:44:13   movie is telling the story and you know [TS]

00:44:15   it's one of those things where like you [TS]

00:44:16   know what I like you said and like I [TS]

00:44:18   don't care if it's all exactly right [TS]

00:44:20   according to the rules if it feels right [TS]

00:44:22   it feels emotionally right that this is [TS]

00:44:24   this is how it feels to be a person [TS]

00:44:26   the beauty of the of the screen the [TS]

00:44:29   light bulb there is that you know you [TS]

00:44:31   have moments of crystallization that [TS]

00:44:33   come from an emotion and then you move [TS]

00:44:35   from there and you have to act on them [TS]

00:44:37   and I felt like that was the metaphor [TS]

00:44:38   that we really got with screwing in the [TS]

00:44:40   anger light bulbs and you can't give you [TS]

00:44:42   a light bulb unscrewed yeah and great [TS]

00:44:44   for the idea which was you could run [TS]

00:44:45   away and then she acts on it right but [TS]

00:44:49   its I like that idea that it's like this [TS]

00:44:51   is a gem of an idea that comes out of [TS]

00:44:54   anger but anchors not in the driver's [TS]

00:44:57   seat the whole time after that it's just [TS]

00:44:58   like that was the moment that end and [TS]

00:45:01   you know I think we all feel that way [TS]

00:45:02   you you have an idea and if you are [TS]

00:45:05   mindful enough if you if you are enough [TS]

00:45:07   connected to your own emotions you can [TS]

00:45:09   be like all right I know where this is [TS]

00:45:11   coming from and I can you know I can [TS]

00:45:13   manage this idea and if you have any if [TS]

00:45:16   you have less of that then you just act [TS]

00:45:17   out because that idea is there but i [TS]

00:45:19   think it's interesting the way the way [TS]

00:45:21   it's it's it's visually put in the movie [TS]

00:45:24   with the light bulb that goes in it's [TS]

00:45:26   like we're going to let anger put this [TS]

00:45:27   in there and then it's in there and it's [TS]

00:45:29   an end and you're on the path that point [TS]

00:45:31   she's on that well and I think some of [TS]

00:45:33   that is is latent that if you if you [TS]

00:45:36   think about it [TS]

00:45:37   where do they all sit and Riley's head [TS]

00:45:40   they're all kind of running around [TS]

00:45:41   haphazardly where's by the time you get [TS]

00:45:43   to the mom's head they all have seats at [TS]

00:45:46   a console right there organizer roll [TS]

00:45:48   their insurance close they know what [TS]

00:45:50   they're doing and end up having Los [TS]

00:45:51   Angeles some have when when you get to [TS]

00:45:54   see the other adult characters into [TS]

00:45:56   their heads and and you know to varying [TS]

00:45:59   degrees but they're there in much more [TS]

00:46:02   of a controlled much more of an [TS]

00:46:03   organized fashion than in any of the [TS]

00:46:06   kids heads are the animals hits which I [TS]

00:46:08   guess we'll get to later I hope we get [TS]

00:46:11   to later because i love the cat but you [TS]

00:46:14   need so i think that is there but again [TS]

00:46:16   they didn't they didn't call a lot of [TS]

00:46:18   attention to it they didn't go hey look [TS]

00:46:19   at us we're doing this extra layer of [TS]

00:46:22   organization to these [TS]

00:46:24   characters they just they let it be and [TS]

00:46:26   they focused on Riley's emotions which I [TS]

00:46:28   thought was was the right thing and it [TS]

00:46:30   definitely works mean it [TS]

00:46:31   what I liked about anger is that it's it [TS]

00:46:33   again message because top of the movie [TS]

00:46:36   if it's not necessarily correct [TS]

00:46:37   psychologically but you have to sort of [TS]

00:46:40   you there's a residence the fact that [TS]

00:46:42   anger does the best that anger can just [TS]

00:46:45   like joy does the best that joy can wear [TS]

00:46:47   Joy's answered everything is well what [TS]

00:46:49   if we just force ourselves to be happy [TS]

00:46:51   anger is like I've gotta do something [TS]

00:46:52   now I've got to do something active I've [TS]

00:46:54   got to do something aggressive and of [TS]

00:46:56   course his his aggression wasn't simply [TS]

00:46:59   run away but i'm going to all of our [TS]

00:47:01   memories are back home let's go back [TS]

00:47:03   home and we'll get them back again [TS]

00:47:04   without understanding that no you can't [TS]

00:47:06   go backwards you can only evenly really [TS]

00:47:09   go forwards but it's I think that one of [TS]

00:47:12   the most important things about this [TS]

00:47:14   movie when the most healthy things about [TS]

00:47:16   this movie is understanding that the [TS]

00:47:19   emotions that in a lesser movie would [TS]

00:47:21   have been the villain sadness and anger [TS]

00:47:23   teaming up just to undermine undermine [TS]

00:47:26   Riley and every at every event this is [TS]

00:47:28   the statement here is that no no both of [TS]

00:47:30   these emotions have a seat at the table [TS]

00:47:32   I mean one of the many things that you [TS]

00:47:35   reflect upon when you think about the i [TS]

00:47:37   will say saintliness of Mister Rogers is [TS]

00:47:39   that he one of his best songs was have [TS]

00:47:42   never been so angry that you want to [TS]

00:47:44   just bite and at entire segment [TS]

00:47:48   basically telling kids don't be afraid [TS]

00:47:50   of your anger don't be ashamed of your [TS]

00:47:51   anger you were you the reason the the [TS]

00:47:54   reason why your brain is wired to be [TS]

00:47:56   angry about things sometimes it's [TS]

00:47:57   because it's a natural emotion and so it [TS]

00:48:00   had you have to you don't always have to [TS]

00:48:03   express it but you always have to [TS]

00:48:05   process it and so if I am I don't want [TS]

00:48:09   to get ahead of ourselves here but the [TS]

00:48:10   I've when the other things that struck [TS]

00:48:13   me immediately when i was coming out of [TS]

00:48:15   this movie was that I had no idea that [TS]

00:48:18   one day I would say that the most [TS]

00:48:20   brilliant scene I've ever seen animation [TS]

00:48:23   ever was the scene was a scene in which [TS]

00:48:25   three people simply hug each other [TS]

00:48:27   because that is just the weight of [TS]

00:48:30   10,000 anvils just striking the ground [TS]

00:48:33   outside your house your house shaking [TS]

00:48:35   everything [TS]

00:48:36   and the subtly in which this was not [TS]

00:48:39   only with the great subtlety with which [TS]

00:48:41   this was rendered animated the [TS]

00:48:43   performances that pixar got out of those [TS]

00:48:46   three actors and also the importance of [TS]

00:48:48   that simple thing the entire movie comes [TS]

00:48:51   together with a hug and I'm sure that [TS]

00:48:54   anyone who's listening to this is [TS]

00:48:55   already heard this before but just in [TS]

00:48:57   case i want to give the context but the [TS]

00:49:00   fact that this was all with the movie [TS]

00:49:02   was about it's not going to be the this [TS]

00:49:04   is gonna be a frantic car chase through [TS]

00:49:06   san francisco and it's going to be got [TS]

00:49:08   cars are going to be leaping over hills [TS]

00:49:10   and it's going to be a big helicopter [TS]

00:49:11   shot over the over the bridge as they [TS]

00:49:13   chase after something rather it's going [TS]

00:49:15   to know it's going to basically this is [TS]

00:49:17   going to crisis is gonna end the way [TS]

00:49:18   that would end for real and it's going [TS]

00:49:20   to end the most difficult way to write [TS]

00:49:22   in the difficult way to act and that [TS]

00:49:25   both as an emotional closer to the [TS]

00:49:27   storyline and also a representation of [TS]

00:49:29   everything that makes this a truly great [TS]

00:49:31   movie [TS]

00:49:32   it's all there in three and a half [TS]

00:49:34   minutes but that's why this movie it [TS]

00:49:36   doesn't end up not being completely [TS]

00:49:37   devastating to parents because for most [TS]

00:49:40   of the movie from the parent's [TS]

00:49:41   perspective you see that this child is [TS]

00:49:43   in trauma and then in freefall [TS]

00:49:46   practically the whole world that these [TS]

00:49:48   parents worked to build up and are they [TS]

00:49:50   built they built her happy life they [TS]

00:49:52   built her into a healthy happy person [TS]

00:49:55   with hobbies and interests and [TS]

00:49:56   achievements and skills and personality [TS]

00:49:59   and as it's all crumbling down you see [TS]

00:50:02   how how powerless the parents are to do [TS]

00:50:05   anything about it how little awareness [TS]

00:50:06   they even have that things are that [TS]

00:50:08   things are going wrong and it's like a [TS]

00:50:10   horror movie for parents and to the to [TS]

00:50:13   bring it back at the end it's like to [TS]

00:50:14   give you hope to say even though parents [TS]

00:50:16   you're going to be clueless and you're [TS]

00:50:18   going to be dealing with the moving [TS]

00:50:19   truck that's lost and you're not going [TS]

00:50:20   to understand that your child is because [TS]

00:50:22   growing up and these things are [TS]

00:50:23   happening and like it you know in the [TS]

00:50:27   end if you are just there at the right [TS]

00:50:29   time with like you know that you don't [TS]

00:50:31   have to that these things are going to [TS]

00:50:33   happen they're going to be bad [TS]

00:50:34   I and it's not hopeless it's not because [TS]

00:50:37   it is certain point the movie it seems [TS]

00:50:38   hopeless certain point in the movie [TS]

00:50:39   you're like well that's it this is going [TS]

00:50:41   to be serial killer like you know [TS]

00:50:42   they're just gonna you know forget it [TS]

00:50:45   just signed the kid up like it's just [TS]

00:50:47   it's so so you notice how it feels [TS]

00:50:49   inside the kid's head up [TS]

00:50:50   and you're busy with other things like [TS]

00:50:51   is there anything we can do is it [TS]

00:50:53   hopeless and it's like you're if you're [TS]

00:50:55   not there ninety percent of the time if [TS]

00:50:57   you just there for the ten percent of [TS]

00:50:58   you just there when it counts for that [TS]

00:51:00   hug at the end right to like the back [TS]

00:51:03   ensure everything up and that can help [TS]

00:51:04   build new islands and that you know the [TS]

00:51:06   the the mixed memory with the blue and [TS]

00:51:08   then the other thing or the and a lesser [TS]

00:51:09   movie the triumphal return of the orbs [TS]

00:51:12   they would have been super bright not [TS]

00:51:14   just yellow but look at what now that [TS]

00:51:15   you're an older person they're super [TS]

00:51:17   bright know they're never gonna be that [TS]

00:51:19   bright again they're always like that [TS]

00:51:21   they're always going to be darker like [TS]

00:51:22   that you know it's not they're not going [TS]

00:51:24   to be super shiny triumphant white light [TS]

00:51:27   streaming out of them that's not the end [TS]

00:51:29   of this movie the parents aren't going [TS]

00:51:31   to be that white light for the thing [TS]

00:51:32   like the parents are just absent or [TS]

00:51:34   screwing up for most of the movie don't [TS]

00:51:36   even know their kids gone frantically [TS]

00:51:37   looking for them and just you know it in [TS]

00:51:39   that moment it sells you parents your [TS]

00:51:42   there is hope [TS]

00:51:44   like it's terrible and everything and [TS]

00:51:45   you're probably doing a bad job with the [TS]

00:51:46   time but if you're if you know if you [TS]

00:51:48   get the basics right if you're there [TS]

00:51:50   when you need to be that there is there [TS]

00:51:52   is hope I still felt at it you know [TS]

00:51:54   large overwhelming sadness coming out of [TS]

00:51:57   this movie but the hopeful barbie and [TS]

00:51:58   makes it knotted up down or a movie at [TS]

00:52:01   all [TS]

00:52:01   well another thing I loved about the the [TS]

00:52:04   rebuilt islands and and there they are [TS]

00:52:07   different and they're bigger and you [TS]

00:52:08   know with different shapes and buildings [TS]

00:52:10   and everything is the thought and I mean [TS]

00:52:12   this has been it would studies have been [TS]

00:52:16   talking about this for a while that we [TS]

00:52:18   kind of rewrite our memories all the [TS]

00:52:21   time we we don't always have every [TS]

00:52:24   detail and and the sharpest details [TS]

00:52:26   might stay there but then you remember [TS]

00:52:29   someone is wearing a different colored [TS]

00:52:30   shirt than they actually wore or you [TS]

00:52:32   remember we're river pet who was there [TS]

00:52:34   who wasn't actually there are little [TS]

00:52:36   things like that and i loved how the [TS]

00:52:39   rebuilt islands I mean yes she still had [TS]

00:52:42   a family Island but it was different and [TS]

00:52:45   she still had the sports our area and it [TS]

00:52:48   was different and you know it so it was [TS]

00:52:50   a nice evolution but they were the [TS]

00:52:53   colors were so much more muted [TS]

00:52:55   everything was less less whimsical but [TS]

00:52:57   if she had a sibling born her family [TS]

00:53:00   Island would have crumbled to dust and [TS]

00:53:02   disciplines I've seen this happen [TS]

00:53:03   absolutely and you need a new family [TS]

00:53:06   I'll it has room for this other person [TS]

00:53:08   and where the hell did they come from [TS]

00:53:10   like even just something as simple as [TS]

00:53:12   that which again like one of the ideas [TS]

00:53:14   that could have been up on the big board [TS]

00:53:15   like you got it can't fit in where you [TS]

00:53:16   can fit in the movie but like so much of [TS]

00:53:19   that Island analogy and just like it [TS]

00:53:21   watching them crumble and watching the [TS]

00:53:22   new ones we built like that that fits so [TS]

00:53:25   well with so many experiences of that [TS]

00:53:27   particular phase of childhood for Riley [TS]

00:53:29   having to share that crummy little attic [TS]

00:53:30   room with a brother or sister oh my god [TS]

00:53:33   it's been it's been known to happen [TS]

00:53:35   don't have my keys cat thing by the way [TS]

00:53:37   the sophistication that I kept thinking [TS]

00:53:39   they were going to go to I did actually [TS]

00:53:41   but I get the more I realize they [TS]

00:53:43   weren't going to go to the same reason [TS]

00:53:44   they weren't you like there's lots of [TS]

00:53:45   ideas that can be up on the big board [TS]

00:53:47   that can fit in this movie they didn't [TS]

00:53:48   go to this one it's a good idea because [TS]

00:53:49   going in this direction does not get you [TS]

00:53:51   anywhere good but like inside the head [TS]

00:53:54   of every one of those individual [TS]

00:53:55   emotions of course are a bunch of other [TS]

00:53:57   emotions right there you know who's [TS]

00:53:58   running anger like that's it's not the [TS]

00:54:01   executive function thing that Merlin was [TS]

00:54:02   talking about but it's closed was like [TS]

00:54:04   once you're doing this kind of modeling [TS]

00:54:05   thing that every sort of actor has these [TS]

00:54:08   individual components with the control [TS]

00:54:09   board that just reverses and then you're [TS]

00:54:11   off to the races [TS]

00:54:12   alright so they didn't do that even for [TS]

00:54:14   like a little stinger a post-credit [TS]

00:54:15   sequence they didn't do that but i think [TS]

00:54:17   you could do some fun stories will you [TS]

00:54:19   get out in like I'm creating some of [TS]

00:54:20   this from slate culture culture gabfest [TS]

00:54:22   but I didn't like lust or maybe [TS]

00:54:24   ambivalence about that pre-puberty it [TS]

00:54:27   saves them from a lot of stuff that's [TS]

00:54:28   why they had the gags at the end if you [TS]

00:54:30   get into a post pretty yes you need more [TS]

00:54:33   players at the table because a little [TS]

00:54:35   bit weird why you'd see on the parents [TS]

00:54:36   control panels a similar suite of people [TS]

00:54:38   but you know again scope you got you [TS]

00:54:40   can't fight scope creep here [TS]

00:54:42   well you know they do say that like [TS]

00:54:43   taste is made up of like four different [TS]

00:54:45   for different components and different [TS]

00:54:47   degrees right so it's like the varying [TS]

00:54:49   degrees but you're right then that their [TS]

00:54:50   sub components inside disgust and anger [TS]

00:54:52   and they they interacted different ways [TS]

00:54:55   and and they they combine the team up in [TS]

00:54:57   different ways like schadenfreude what [TS]

00:54:59   is that a combination of pp doctor was [TS]

00:55:01   talking about this i think cash I've [TS]

00:55:03   heard so much about this i forget me on [TS]

00:55:05   fresh air was talking about i guess [TS]

00:55:06   originally if you guys know jump in but [TS]

00:55:09   originally it was supposed to be joy or [TS]

00:55:12   happiness happiness and fear they're [TS]

00:55:15   supposed to be [TS]

00:55:15   yeah the two main characters [TS]

00:55:17   you guys have any color on that yeah one [TS]

00:55:19   and I'm sure that was part of the idea [TS]

00:55:20   behind casting Amy Poehler and Bill [TS]

00:55:23   Hader together because we know they play [TS]

00:55:25   well together so I it was that they had [TS]

00:55:29   a moment where they realized that [TS]

00:55:30   sadness was a player that needed to be [TS]

00:55:32   in here and that's when that's when [TS]

00:55:35   everything changed apparently yeah and [TS]

00:55:37   then think about sadness in the movie is [TS]

00:55:38   that give her kind of a dual role as [TS]

00:55:40   like the touching things turn things [TS]

00:55:43   boobs like oh is this the thing that [TS]

00:55:44   makes you sad but then when she shows [TS]

00:55:47   like it were talking about like that the [TS]

00:55:49   sophistication of the layout inside the [TS]

00:55:51   thing we're in Raleigh said they're just [TS]

00:55:53   kind of running around no no to do a [TS]

00:55:54   one-point joy is driving a truck circle [TS]

00:55:57   on the ground and trying to put like [TS]

00:55:58   that is that is a child sophistication [TS]

00:56:01   of dealing with their emotions like [TS]

00:56:02   maybe i can put sadness and a little [TS]

00:56:03   chalk circle and you stand like they [TS]

00:56:05   have no idea what they're doing like [TS]

00:56:06   this how this works and maybe there's no [TS]

00:56:07   role for this if you just stand over [TS]

00:56:08   here can you just don't touch anything [TS]

00:56:10   and let me do this and I'll just take [TS]

00:56:11   over like that no idea anything is gonna [TS]

00:56:14   work and so later when sadness show when [TS]

00:56:16   she talks to bing bong and makes [TS]

00:56:18   bing-bong feel better she doesn't make [TS]

00:56:19   big bug feel sad by touching mama said [TS]

00:56:21   his touch bring bunkie feels bad now [TS]

00:56:23   like the function of it's not like she [TS]

00:56:25   is the source of sadness she is how [TS]

00:56:28   Riley deals with sadness how is not [TS]

00:56:31   you're not in service [TS]

00:56:32   right just like get you enjoy understand [TS]

00:56:36   joint so when she talked to bring [TS]

00:56:37   bonkers like it [TS]

00:56:39   joy can't help being bond feel better [TS]

00:56:41   hey look at me [TS]

00:56:43   bing-bong everything aren't you all [TS]

00:56:44   happy no big box not happy he said in [TS]

00:56:46   joy and sadness sits down next to him [TS]

00:56:48   and talk to me she can't she can't help [TS]

00:56:50   that's not that that's her role and she [TS]

00:56:52   is useless to damaging and that's it is [TS]

00:56:56   it's inside the kind of person who Yanks [TS]

00:56:59   and that that's the beauty part is when [TS]

00:57:00   you get to where it's it's like the same [TS]

00:57:02   thing you eventually learn as an adult [TS]

00:57:04   is like when somebody has someone in [TS]

00:57:05   their family died [TS]

00:57:06   don't tell them back up you know don't [TS]

00:57:08   tell I'm you know the only thing the [TS]

00:57:10   only consolation I have to offer anybody [TS]

00:57:11   is I hope someday this feels less bad [TS]

00:57:14   and that's the only thing can really say [TS]

00:57:16   to somebody you know and it like that [TS]

00:57:18   the rebel again that the mechanics to [TS]

00:57:19   merrr what I obsess about having watched [TS]

00:57:21   this twice now just the scrubbing and [TS]

00:57:24   scrubbing on the emotion and it's that [TS]

00:57:26   moment of we scrub back and it turns [TS]

00:57:28   blue and you go [TS]

00:57:30   ok it's it's my sadness that me on the [TS]

00:57:32   twisty tree that made these people come [TS]

00:57:34   to me like that has that is more than [TS]

00:57:36   just like a piece of damaged to be [TS]

00:57:38   repaired like this has a role in making [TS]

00:57:40   me a whole person we talked about the [TS]

00:57:42   user interface of emotion orbs for a [TS]

00:57:44   moment [TS]

00:57:45   yeah I think I was going to school and [TS]

00:57:46   directions wrong it was nice that they [TS]

00:57:48   could do that with like that sort of a [TS]

00:57:50   modern you know it's one of the first [TS]

00:57:51   thing we're seeing a movie or like [TS]

00:57:52   making out they can do that without [TS]

00:57:54   explaining it because everybody knows [TS]

00:57:55   yeah swiping on a glass smartphone [TS]

00:57:57   interface for emotions right assume [TS]

00:57:59   still though [TS]

00:57:59   yeah so I like I just I thought that was [TS]

00:58:01   really interesting in as a shorthand yes [TS]

00:58:03   John it was one of those things of like [TS]

00:58:04   oh we all get this now but that you just [TS]

00:58:08   swipe with your finger to go backward [TS]

00:58:10   and forward through the emotion i [TS]

00:58:11   thought that was just really clever but [TS]

00:58:13   also funny that you know in in the [TS]

00:58:15   intervening however many years it is now [TS]

00:58:17   we all totally get that metaphor [TS]

00:58:18   yeah our own version that is a telephone [TS]

00:58:20   like if anyone picked up something and [TS]

00:58:22   pretended it was like a telephone or any [TS]

00:58:23   sort of communication device that [TS]

00:58:25   involved picking up something with the [TS]

00:58:26   court and holding it to your head like [TS]

00:58:27   that was ours that you can do and now [TS]

00:58:29   apparently it's anything glass you can [TS]

00:58:30   rub your finger and make things go [TS]

00:58:32   forward but that was such a brilliant [TS]

00:58:34   metaphor to because that is just so [TS]

00:58:37   universally true that you can have a [TS]

00:58:41   memory that was that is just an awful [TS]

00:58:43   memory and then 10 years later becomes a [TS]

00:58:46   good memory because you was an awful [TS]

00:58:48   time but you know what i actually [TS]

00:58:50   responded in a way that makes me very [TS]

00:58:52   very proud and I think I learned [TS]

00:58:53   something from that and that can that [TS]

00:58:55   can make you happy and then you have [TS]

00:58:57   memories of that are just bursting with [TS]

00:59:01   joy and then unfortunately you lose the [TS]

00:59:04   family member that the the family member [TS]

00:59:06   that was part of memory and it's hard to [TS]

00:59:09   look at that photo again and not feel [TS]

00:59:11   sad that ok i'm not going to be able to [TS]

00:59:12   see this person everything exactly its [TS]

00:59:15   natural i mean that that was one of the [TS]

00:59:17   things we were talking about afterwards [TS]

00:59:18   with the kids wear again think about [TS]

00:59:21   sadness and think about when their [TS]

00:59:22   grandmother passed away and now it's [TS]

00:59:25   been a couple years and obviously the [TS]

00:59:28   one the one kid is older than the the [TS]

00:59:30   other and but they're both they have [TS]

00:59:33   they have memories of her but it's not [TS]

00:59:35   quite as sharp now and and and you know [TS]

00:59:39   the older ones was worried about that is [TS]

00:59:41   what if I forget about [TS]

00:59:42   so you won't forget about her you're not [TS]

00:59:45   going to remember every day that you [TS]

00:59:47   spent with her and and that's okay [TS]

00:59:50   because you're going to meet other [TS]

00:59:52   people and and you can have more life [TS]

00:59:54   you know but just the thought that there [TS]

00:59:59   was there is fuzzyness [TS]

00:59:59   was there is fuzzyness [TS]

01:00:00   to his memories that was sort of that [TS]

01:00:02   sank in with this movie hadn't really [TS]

01:00:04   thought about that before I the home [TS]

01:00:07   selective memory thing which again is [TS]

01:00:09   that this idea that all of us have to [TS]

01:00:12   process our memories and things go to [TS]

01:00:14   long-term memory from short-term and so [TS]

01:00:16   and then things get weeded out and and [TS]

01:00:18   and trying to conceptualize that in some [TS]

01:00:20   way and do it with jokes do it with [TS]

01:00:23   funny jokes i was very impressed by that [TS]

01:00:24   the the you know like let's just keep [TS]

01:00:27   heart and soul and chopsticks and lose [TS]

01:00:29   all the other piano since the people [TS]

01:00:31   that was just I i was i was super i was [TS]

01:00:34   laughing and also super impressed that [TS]

01:00:36   this was getting across this concept [TS]

01:00:39   with jokes that's like wow again degree [TS]

01:00:42   of difficulty I was very impressed [TS]

01:00:44   Mikey related thing by the way since [TS]

01:00:46   it's all about kiki's delivery service [TS]

01:00:48   even when it's not is it i wanted to [TS]

01:00:51   bring up this is a film without a [TS]

01:00:52   villain and one of the things I love [TS]

01:00:54   about kiki's delivery service is there's [TS]

01:00:56   no villain it is about her keys internal [TS]

01:00:59   struggle and coming of age and this is a [TS]

01:01:02   movie like that i mean there is an [TS]

01:01:04   internal struggle in in this film but [TS]

01:01:07   it's dramatized the characters are the [TS]

01:01:10   internal struggle which is kind of [TS]

01:01:11   interesting but even there there's no [TS]

01:01:13   real villain joy think sadness is the [TS]

01:01:16   villain but sadness isn't the villain [TS]

01:01:18   which is which is exactly what joy [TS]

01:01:19   should think i think so i think it's [TS]

01:01:22   just the joy is and here and here is [TS]

01:01:24   where Amy Poehler and where was riding [TS]

01:01:26   her dialogue just they just deserve [TS]

01:01:28   Awards it's she's pushy she's bossy she [TS]

01:01:31   really does think that her job at the [TS]

01:01:34   job of all of them is to keep keep Riley [TS]

01:01:36   happy that's how that's gonna be the [TS]

01:01:38   solution everything and I don't think [TS]

01:01:39   she's so much bullying sadness so much [TS]

01:01:43   as hoping that the team is going to the [TS]

01:01:45   feeling as those sadness is going to be [TS]

01:01:47   holding the team back and it eventually [TS]

01:01:49   really does it and any other actress i [TS]

01:01:52   think it was amy g Amy Poehler she's [TS]

01:01:55   just smiling and giggling if she's [TS]

01:01:56   telling you that you got eight months to [TS]

01:01:57   live [TS]

01:01:58   it just comes out in a happy way it's [TS]

01:02:00   and non-threatening I just don't think [TS]

01:02:04   that it's a very very soft balance they [TS]

01:02:07   did between making her the bully and [TS]

01:02:09   just making the point that joy is just [TS]

01:02:12   clue [TS]

01:02:13   spot anything that does not involve [TS]

01:02:14   being happy it's a fine line to walk in [TS]

01:02:16   the fact that your main characters in [TS]

01:02:18   this film can't really grow [TS]

01:02:20   I mean they can in a way in in getting [TS]

01:02:23   some other their nuanced and getting [TS]

01:02:26   some of the rough edges sand it off but [TS]

01:02:29   you know joy doesn't turn into sadness [TS]

01:02:31   joy learns how to live with sadness and [TS]

01:02:34   in a normal character in a film you you [TS]

01:02:37   wouldn't treat like this and i think [TS]

01:02:39   that I'll add that to the difficulty [TS]

01:02:41   scale too is that these are emotions [TS]

01:02:43   personified they can't have the same [TS]

01:02:45   character progression I think they can [TS]

01:02:47   be as likely to be in the adult version [TS]

01:02:49   is there more chill like I said I get [TS]

01:02:50   the idea is a little off yes but you [TS]

01:02:53   still have the rules that they have to [TS]

01:02:54   play well the actual image of joy [TS]

01:02:56   drawing a truck circling around trying [TS]

01:02:58   to put sadness and it is such a visual [TS]

01:03:01   manifestation of so many mental so many [TS]

01:03:04   poor coping strategies that adults have [TS]

01:03:06   forget about kids don't sound yeah that [TS]

01:03:08   this is a viable strategy that if I find [TS]

01:03:11   said mrs. gimble in a circle and draw [TS]

01:03:13   the circle around then i'll be happy all [TS]

01:03:15   the time like it nevermind kids thing I [TS]

01:03:17   think that's it level of sophistication [TS]

01:03:18   kids aren't don't have in their own head [TS]

01:03:20   but certainly many adults like the their [TS]

01:03:23   strategy for dealing with those guys are [TS]

01:03:24   running around their heads just is [TS]

01:03:26   terrible like there's no manuals on the [TS]

01:03:28   wall like they have here of like trying [TS]

01:03:29   to fit you know like what you want is [TS]

01:03:31   these all these characters to get to the [TS]

01:03:34   point where they're all sitting nicely [TS]

01:03:37   at the console all with their hands on [TS]

01:03:39   the controls at appropriate times being [TS]

01:03:42   called on to you know like working as a [TS]

01:03:44   team vs in you know in and Riley's head [TS]

01:03:46   where their adversarial and there's [TS]

01:03:49   still the possibility that one is going [TS]

01:03:51   to be like you know like what is our [TS]

01:03:54   goal our goal is to do exactly just in [TS]

01:03:56   our goal enjoy defines our goal our goal [TS]

01:03:58   is to make really happy all the time [TS]

01:03:59   because that was a viable strategy when [TS]

01:04:01   she was a baby and either you're angry [TS]

01:04:02   because you're you're hungry or [TS]

01:04:04   something or you know like that that [TS]

01:04:05   that that was the outline everyone else [TS]

01:04:07   was like subservient to drive is like [TS]

01:04:09   well you know we did what we all want [TS]

01:04:11   Riley to be happy right like the whole [TS]

01:04:12   idea that when you're a kid you think [TS]

01:04:14   that being happy is the state that [TS]

01:04:16   you're supposed to be and that you're [TS]

01:04:18   all you know everything is working [TS]

01:04:20   towards you should be happy all the time [TS]

01:04:22   and that is not a a good strategy for [TS]

01:04:25   adults [TS]

01:04:26   to have because it's just it will make [TS]

01:04:28   you miserable in the end and so it's [TS]

01:04:30   nice with the exception of maybe the bus [TS]

01:04:32   driver that the adults that seemed to [TS]

01:04:34   have settled into a spat a job [TS]

01:04:38   description for all the different [TS]

01:04:40   components that is reasonable and that [TS]

01:04:42   involves all of them that one has not [TS]

01:04:43   come to dominate even though sadness in [TS]

01:04:45   charge in the moms not sad all the time [TS]

01:04:48   sadness is very articulate and [TS]

01:04:49   discussing things and they work as a [TS]

01:04:51   team to get mom can do things that's [TS]

01:04:53   very appropriate because the mission of [TS]

01:04:55   a child keeps changing every year [TS]

01:04:58   year-and-a-half rest the mission of an [TS]

01:05:00   adult who maybe soon as you have kids [TS]

01:05:03   it's pretty little there's very little [TS]

01:05:06   changes for decades so nothing provokes [TS]

01:05:09   a team to gel together understand what [TS]

01:05:11   each one's role is as consistency and I [TS]

01:05:15   think that's part that I think this but [TS]

01:05:16   a stability that that that helps out [TS]

01:05:18   that scenario that we represent one of [TS]

01:05:21   the biggest laughs at the end comes [TS]

01:05:22   where the new dashboard comes in and [TS]

01:05:24   there's a button marked puberty that's [TS]

01:05:25   covered with you sir turn your key [TS]

01:05:27   Launch System notice that yet and you [TS]

01:05:31   just know that the sequel to this is [TS]

01:05:33   just gonna be really really hard for for [TS]

01:05:35   everybody it's like that forehead that [TS]

01:05:38   was the best of visual gag line i think [TS]

01:05:40   with the the the inside of the boy's [TS]

01:05:42   head who's justice baby what happened [TS]

01:05:44   hasn't been actually accurate i think [TS]

01:05:47   the chaos and girls like that girl that [TS]

01:05:50   was going but it's just their they're [TS]

01:05:51   running on the ceilings they're just you [TS]

01:05:53   know they're hair's on fire [TS]

01:05:55   it's complete chaos yet that there was a [TS]

01:05:58   beautiful visual representation of I [TS]

01:06:00   mean this is about animation can do [TS]

01:06:02   right is a visual gags like you get the [TS]

01:06:05   pet if you've established this world [TS]

01:06:06   that I love that they saved most of [TS]

01:06:07   those to the end it's like we've we've [TS]

01:06:09   told the star we're going to take this [TS]

01:06:11   to tell we have a bunch of really funny [TS]

01:06:13   ideas for gags didn't fit in the [TS]

01:06:14   restroom over here they here are the [TS]

01:06:16   best three of them I felt like that [TS]

01:06:17   might have come from earlier drafts of [TS]

01:06:20   the script like maybe one of the [TS]

01:06:22   approaches to the story they threw out [TS]

01:06:25   was that you get to see you get to see [TS]

01:06:26   inside all kinds of people's heads right [TS]

01:06:28   for they figure out that no we really [TS]

01:06:29   need to make it it's all about Riley and [TS]

01:06:32   we're gonna peek into different 444 [TS]

01:06:33   effect we're going to [TS]

01:06:35   take peaks once or twice but you you got [TS]

01:06:38   a wife I felt maybe as though there is [TS]

01:06:41   going to be as the was supposed to be a [TS]

01:06:43   scene with the the pizza clerk at a [TS]

01:06:47   scene with the Tennessee with these [TS]

01:06:49   other with a bus driver because it's the [TS]

01:06:52   wastebaskets of pixar they're really [TS]

01:06:54   good wastebaskets there's a throw things [TS]

01:06:56   in there and Dreamworks and Fox are like [TS]

01:06:58   yeah why don't we will do that for you [TS]

01:07:00   like a home movie at gag and I mean that [TS]

01:07:03   the beautiful part of it is that you [TS]

01:07:04   have this overwhelming and melancholy [TS]

01:07:08   and sadness by the end and then they [TS]

01:07:09   give you all these quick gags to just [TS]

01:07:11   sort of leave you on a greased note and [TS]

01:07:13   just not ready to give you a chance to [TS]

01:07:14   recover the family's gonna be okay we're [TS]

01:07:17   not going to leave you worry that [TS]

01:07:18   there's gonna be hard hard more horrible [TS]

01:07:20   things coming up and you know I i loved [TS]

01:07:22   the the glimpse and then in the boy's [TS]

01:07:24   head but I still love the cabinet this [TS]

01:07:26   is your I want to bring up some things [TS]

01:07:28   about this but this is also your time to [TS]

01:07:29   talk about the cat that this David yes [TS]

01:07:33   the the thing i love about that is that [TS]

01:07:35   all of the all of the emotions in the [TS]

01:07:37   cat's head couldn't care less and it [TS]

01:07:40   just happens to be that the fear cat is [TS]

01:07:42   just walking on the console is going to [TS]

01:07:44   em and you come back and the caps passes [TS]

01:07:46   out like yes this was this was made by [TS]

01:07:49   cat owners they know they know they know [TS]

01:07:51   how it works so I i think it's an [TS]

01:07:54   interesting theory that there used to be [TS]

01:07:55   more of this the end credits is a very [TS]

01:07:59   nice way to use the end credits to be [TS]

01:08:01   like this is the logical extension and [TS]

01:08:03   we're going to of of this premise and [TS]

01:08:05   now we're going to use it to drop it [TS]

01:08:06   needs these jokes but I want to talk [TS]

01:08:08   briefly at least i want to mention the [TS]

01:08:11   scene early on or or the scene in the [TS]

01:08:14   debt the what is at the dinner table [TS]

01:08:15   where we see everybody's pilots [TS]

01:08:18   everybody's emotions and because that is [TS]

01:08:22   a scene that struck me as as kind of [TS]

01:08:25   breathtaking in its in the information [TS]

01:08:30   density and in the like like I've only [TS]

01:08:33   seen the movie once I imagine that's a [TS]

01:08:35   scene that I could watch 20 times and [TS]

01:08:38   get something different every time and [TS]

01:08:40   even watching it the one time I thought [TS]

01:08:42   oh my god this is like on a whole other [TS]

01:08:45   level because there's so much in such a [TS]

01:08:47   short [TS]

01:08:48   period of time and then there are funny [TS]

01:08:50   gags and and you let it wash over you [TS]

01:08:52   and you laugh at it but i also was just [TS]

01:08:54   so impressed with there are so many [TS]

01:08:56   layers there that you were singing [TS]

01:08:58   you're getting a brief glimpse into [TS]

01:09:00   everybody else and how they work too and [TS]

01:09:03   then you sort of swept away and you go [TS]

01:09:04   back to the plot and and it's done at [TS]

01:09:07   one moment and it's done basically for [TS]

01:09:10   laughs but at the same time there's so [TS]

01:09:13   much in there and there's no time to [TS]

01:09:15   dwell on it we just move on i was just i [TS]

01:09:17   that that is the one seen that really [TS]

01:09:19   left me breathless basically like oh my [TS]

01:09:23   god what did I just see I cannot believe [TS]

01:09:25   I just saw that and you know if I was [TS]

01:09:27   watching it on a on a on a DVD or [TS]

01:09:30   something i would back it up and watch [TS]

01:09:31   it again several times i was very [TS]

01:09:34   impressed by that [TS]

01:09:34   um i'm gonna i'm going to list some [TS]

01:09:37   other things that that I I don't think [TS]

01:09:39   we've talked about that i always want to [TS]

01:09:40   mention John at one point earlier [TS]

01:09:41   mentioned his train of thought I i [TS]

01:09:45   enjoyed the train of thought I thought [TS]

01:09:47   that was again another another kind of [TS]

01:09:49   funny gag but that that also had had [TS]

01:09:52   meaning and it was a nice i love it when [TS]

01:09:54   you can when you can make the jokes also [TS]

01:09:56   be meaningful and there's a lot of facts [TS]

01:10:00   and opinions yeah oh yeah I got a big [TS]

01:10:02   laugh the two times I thought we have [TS]

01:10:04   that that's a really good one [TS]

01:10:05   um I pictures based in emeryville which [TS]

01:10:09   is across the bay from San Francisco [TS]

01:10:10   there are lots of San Francisco and [TS]

01:10:12   Silicon Valley jokes and miss at the [TS]

01:10:14   expense of San Francisco and Silicon [TS]

01:10:16   Valley in general and I you talking [TS]

01:10:17   about we talk about bring I i want my [TS]

01:10:19   brain t-shirt you ruin pizza to the [TS]

01:10:22   registry San Francisco you ruin feet and [TS]

01:10:25   it's just that it's done very knowingly [TS]

01:10:27   and that's the beauty i heard some [TS]

01:10:28   people are like haha make fun of [TS]

01:10:30   Francisco you live there and I'm like [TS]

01:10:31   yeah they live here too they know [TS]

01:10:33   exactly what it is a surgical precision [TS]

01:10:36   Seattle the depiction of the entire [TS]

01:10:40   feeling of moving to san francisco was [TS]

01:10:42   so great so perfect welcome to three [TS]

01:10:45   labs so the timeless and but i will say [TS]

01:10:49   my wife was annoyed because she loves [TS]

01:10:51   white pizza with broccoli so and she got [TS]

01:10:54   in the east coast so artisan pizza place [TS]

01:10:57   only sold that kind of pizza right key [TS]

01:10:59   people not just as they did [TS]

01:11:01   different pieces of putting probably on [TS]

01:11:03   it but that is the only kind of peace [TS]

01:11:04   that is of course everybody was a kid it [TS]

01:11:06   was plausible and and you know dad's [TS]

01:11:08   gotta start up with funding and that's [TS]

01:11:10   why they moved its all you know [TS]

01:11:11   Thank You Silicon Valley for ruining [TS]

01:11:13   Riley slide yeah and then the key plot [TS]

01:11:15   of the movie like what happens in this [TS]

01:11:17   movie a family moved to Minnesota so to [TS]

01:11:19   san francisco that's it that's and is [TS]

01:11:21   the crisis in the movie but if you're a [TS]

01:11:23   little girl it is i want to sidebar and [TS]

01:11:25   complement the movie for giving the [TS]

01:11:27   parents that who cannot possibly be the [TS]

01:11:30   center of this they have to be at the [TS]

01:11:31   margins but in those few lines they give [TS]

01:11:33   them they give them a good reason to be [TS]

01:11:36   behaving the way they're behaving that a [TS]

01:11:38   move across the country is incredibly [TS]

01:11:39   stressful dad would be easy to make him [TS]

01:11:42   into like madmen sort of characters are [TS]

01:11:44   all I I've moved the family because I [TS]

01:11:46   we're going to achieve and I've got my [TS]

01:11:48   goals [TS]

01:11:49   it's like no he stressed out because [TS]

01:11:50   look their investors are pulling out he [TS]

01:11:52   doesn't have too lately people off so [TS]

01:11:54   his focus is not on the family at this [TS]

01:11:56   moment the the mom has her focus is not [TS]

01:12:00   on the family over these next three four [TS]

01:12:01   days because there's a truck somewhere [TS]

01:12:03   with all their belongings in it and no [TS]

01:12:04   one seems to know where it is [TS]

01:12:06   so you can be so easy to make them into [TS]

01:12:07   just in a tent of jerks herself involved [TS]

01:12:09   in some way but they know you you really [TS]

01:12:11   like these people they're way more [TS]

01:12:13   well-adjusted an actual parents would be [TS]

01:12:15   a situation like this is an idealized [TS]

01:12:17   version we all wish we could be as and [TS]

01:12:20   even then they end up saying the wrong [TS]

01:12:21   thing to their kids are ignoring a lot [TS]

01:12:23   of time but at least they don't blow up [TS]

01:12:24   their kids will be much more realistic [TS]

01:12:25   it was actually the dad who stopped the [TS]

01:12:28   head of that poor Mouse he saw something [TS]

01:12:29   small and living he had killed somebody [TS]

01:12:32   but but the nice thing about it is that [TS]

01:12:34   even at that in their own ways they are [TS]

01:12:36   worrying about family it's just their [TS]

01:12:38   priority i have the one worried about is [TS]

01:12:41   different right and he's worried about [TS]

01:12:43   not just his own family but his work [TS]

01:12:45   family who are also dependent on the [TS]

01:12:48   investors in the success of brang [TS]

01:12:50   whatever that and and you know the mom [TS]

01:12:52   is worried about their stuff i mean you [TS]

01:12:54   can't you can't live without your stop [TS]

01:12:57   but they also but they also i mean like [TS]

01:12:58   in in fairness to the parents you know [TS]

01:13:01   and they end up obviously this ends up [TS]

01:13:02   being a little bit of a problem is that [TS]

01:13:04   they think of riley is it basically [TS]

01:13:06   happy well-adjusted kid right well if we [TS]

01:13:08   provide these basic things and this is [TS]

01:13:10   again this place right back into the [TS]

01:13:12   whole story arc is the joy runs that [TS]

01:13:14   show Riley has always been a happy kid [TS]

01:13:17   she'll probably be fine [TS]

01:13:18   so you know when the mom goes in and [TS]

01:13:20   says you know we have only all done this [TS]

01:13:22   you did no one wants to admit this but [TS]

01:13:24   you have said hey you looking just like [TS]

01:13:26   the not not a sad tomato for a couple [TS]

01:13:28   weeks like this is a tough time we all [TS]

01:13:30   gotta power through this like I didn't [TS]

01:13:32   see her as being a huge villain in that [TS]

01:13:33   I saw her as saying like hey you know [TS]

01:13:35   you're basically happy person can you [TS]

01:13:36   just be basically happy for a while [TS]

01:13:38   it's something we all do all the time [TS]

01:13:40   but it the one moment that they [TS]

01:13:42   shouldn't have like it's it's exactly [TS]

01:13:43   the wrong thing to say at the wrong time [TS]

01:13:45   because like the kid is in crisis and [TS]

01:13:46   you're saying by the way I know you like [TS]

01:13:48   that it's not even acknowledging the [TS]

01:13:50   crisis saying look mommy daddy are [TS]

01:13:52   having a difficult time here it's tough [TS]

01:13:53   for everybody liked it we look we're so [TS]

01:13:56   thankful that you have been your normal [TS]

01:13:58   happy self [TS]

01:13:59   this is like and she's like my normal [TS]

01:14:01   happy what I'm going through you know [TS]

01:14:03   problems here that had such personal [TS]

01:14:05   residence to me because i remember a [TS]

01:14:07   time when I was a kid and my mom thought [TS]

01:14:10   that she was being some grateful and [TS]

01:14:13   nice and encouraging which he said [TS]

01:14:15   something almost exactly like the one [TS]

01:14:16   you know there's a lot of problems right [TS]

01:14:18   now and I just it's just makes us so [TS]

01:14:20   happy to know that we don't have to [TS]

01:14:21   worry about you and I'm like okay I hope [TS]

01:14:24   you have god I'll be I'm dying inside [TS]

01:14:26   but i will make sure that unit now I [TS]

01:14:28   know I wasn't mad and I feel bad about [TS]

01:14:30   how I feel bad but now I know there's no [TS]

01:14:33   hope for rescue the one people in the [TS]

01:14:35   world do I think are supposed to [TS]

01:14:36   understand me think everything is fine [TS]

01:14:38   and are thanking me for everything being [TS]

01:14:40   fine so my choices here are to [TS]

01:14:42   disappoint them by not being fine by or [TS]

01:14:45   you know to create likely but my parents [TS]

01:14:48   are having prior up there was a problem [TS]

01:14:51   with my parents but it's like they're [TS]

01:14:52   voided if the way that i can show [TS]

01:14:55   gratitude is by not causing more [TS]

01:14:56   problems by you know again being upset [TS]

01:14:59   with something happened at school today [TS]

01:15:00   so I was like oh boy that was a great [TS]

01:15:02   scene and for the record I've I've [TS]

01:15:04   decided that bring is a service that [TS]

01:15:07   comes to your house and takes all the [TS]

01:15:08   boxes that other stuff was delivered to [TS]

01:15:11   your house away they take them away and [TS]

01:15:14   they are they leave without they leave [TS]

01:15:16   without stealing so it's over but for [TS]

01:15:17   recycling [TS]

01:15:18   I I thought it was a servant more [TS]

01:15:21   advanced dropbox right what did you [TS]

01:15:23   bring [TS]

01:15:24   well we bring this thing over here and [TS]

01:15:26   never going to [TS]

01:15:27   it over to you and you can download it [TS]

01:15:28   here and she is just their boxing but i [TS]

01:15:31   think the ring is the brain is the [TS]

01:15:32   opposite of bringing so things were [TS]

01:15:34   brought to you and now Brandon takes the [TS]

01:15:35   background and your your your the fact [TS]

01:15:37   he's from minnesota i believe bring is a [TS]

01:15:39   way of organizing and cataloging people [TS]

01:15:41   bringing opted for potluck right so you [TS]

01:15:44   don't get for noodle salads it's like [TS]

01:15:46   it's like dude foods roll it's super hot [TS]

01:15:48   dish superfluous theories about the [TS]

01:15:50   reason why the funding back out is that [TS]

01:15:51   they misjudged how many Lutheran's [TS]

01:15:53   actually live in the Bay Area well [TS]

01:15:55   that's why I Frank's gonna have problems [TS]

01:15:56   that's what i'm saying i also want to [TS]

01:15:58   mention the scene that I think is just I [TS]

01:16:01   mean it is kind of pics are showing off [TS]

01:16:02   going completely off model and [TS]

01:16:05   brilliantly where they entered the area [TS]

01:16:07   of abstract yeah yeah and yet we get [TS]

01:16:10   different art styles through that whole [TS]

01:16:12   segment to the end where they become [TS]

01:16:14   two-dimensional and you get that great [TS]

01:16:16   joke like everybody just fall down just [TS]

01:16:17   fall down or two-dimensional fall down [TS]

01:16:19   then you can go through the door [TS]

01:16:20   maybe I'm a scourge but I want to cut [TS]

01:16:22   that scene really now because I don't [TS]

01:16:24   think it's brilliant but just because I [TS]

01:16:26   don't feel like I feel like it was one [TS]

01:16:27   of those ideas they just couldn't let go [TS]

01:16:28   because it was too good too good of an [TS]

01:16:30   idea like it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

01:16:31   necessary other than I think maybe it [TS]

01:16:35   makes you think a little bit more about [TS]

01:16:37   how trustworthy bing-bong is why i think [TS]

01:16:41   it's i think it's important for Bing [TS]

01:16:43   bongs trustworthiness or intelligence [TS]

01:16:46   but i do think it is important to be [TS]

01:16:48   able to show abstract thought and to be [TS]

01:16:50   able to say there's there's still stuff [TS]

01:16:51   we don't understand and even even those [TS]

01:16:53   of us who live in this place don't [TS]

01:16:55   understand what's what's going on with [TS]

01:16:57   other dimensions to I wouldn't realize [TS]

01:16:59   abstract thought with an analogy to [TS]

01:17:01   abstract art I wouldn't have gone that [TS]

01:17:03   far and I feel like they did that seem [TS]

01:17:06   like I'm not saying it was bad but like [TS]

01:17:07   I usually they cut everything so perfect [TS]

01:17:09   and I feel like this one because they're [TS]

01:17:11   animators is just too good to let go [TS]

01:17:13   it wasn't very long think that's okay i [TS]

01:17:15   mean you gotta you gotta sometimes go [TS]

01:17:17   down the hill and your snowboard and do [TS]

01:17:19   the do the 360 that was the completely [TS]

01:17:21   unnecessary just to show how much your [TS]

01:17:23   enjoying doing this I think that was not [TS]

01:17:25   we're not we're not we're not talking [TS]

01:17:26   about lava the shorts that preceded it [TS]

01:17:28   but one of the things that disappointing [TS]

01:17:29   me about is that what I love about pixar [TS]

01:17:32   shorts is that it's we got six minutes [TS]

01:17:34   to do something completely different use [TS]

01:17:36   a technique we've never known before [TS]

01:17:37   done something really experimental and [TS]

01:17:40   it was just a very [TS]

01:17:41   dimensional thing so is good with with [TS]

01:17:42   every single shot in this movie [TS]

01:17:44   practically being something experimental [TS]

01:17:46   where it's a canvas where anything can [TS]

01:17:49   happen the art direction can be [TS]

01:17:50   literally anything i just thought that [TS]

01:17:52   at some point they're close enough to [TS]

01:17:54   just being completely abstract they may [TS]

01:17:57   as well just have a scene which they [TS]

01:17:58   just have color form stickers on the [TS]

01:18:01   screen for for a good three minutes i [TS]

01:18:03   enjoy the abstract stuff as a in fact [TS]

01:18:07   I'll honestly a little bit as a respite [TS]

01:18:09   from the plot at that point just to have [TS]

01:18:11   some laughs in a row they throw so much [TS]

01:18:14   at you in that in that part of the movie [TS]

01:18:15   there's so much stuff it is a little bit [TS]

01:18:17   like there's a Looney Tunes cartoon [TS]

01:18:19   that's employees very much like duck [TS]

01:18:21   c'mon let's stop [TS]

01:18:22   we're going to do this Looney Tunes [TS]

01:18:23   thing and then we'll continue with the [TS]

01:18:25   plot and it's so it's kind of almost [TS]

01:18:27   just a relief to laugh at how totally [TS]

01:18:29   left field it is and then move on with [TS]

01:18:31   the film so I i enjoyed it because it [TS]

01:18:33   was so daring and weird and I and yeah [TS]

01:18:36   maybe a little bit of a respite you know [TS]

01:18:37   i think was actually necessary because [TS]

01:18:39   that and told the entire sequence it's [TS]

01:18:42   so tightly allegorical where it's like [TS]

01:18:44   we are now in the room where all the [TS]

01:18:46   memories are and now we're in the place [TS]

01:18:47   where everything looks like a game [TS]

01:18:49   because it's this it's like it's nice to [TS]

01:18:51   have those three minutes which know we [TS]

01:18:52   the audience are completely disoriented [TS]

01:18:54   we have no tethered to reality just like [TS]

01:18:56   the characters do it for the animation [TS]

01:18:58   styles in the movie i thought the the [TS]

01:19:00   regular part of the movie had enough [TS]

01:19:03   interest of different things that you [TS]

01:19:06   know that Pixar and done before i had [TS]

01:19:08   like the texture of joy skin was not she [TS]

01:19:12   wasn't a muppet she didn't have fur she [TS]

01:19:15   wasn't smooth she wasn't fuzzy she was [TS]

01:19:18   impossible to pin down every time you [TS]

01:19:20   would try to look at what is joy surface [TS]

01:19:22   made of it was you know Africa slows [TS]

01:19:25   yeah I wish it was like watching [TS]

01:19:27   molecules but as I used up of a bunch of [TS]

01:19:30   motes of light and was also the very [TS]

01:19:32   slightest trail like a little tiny [TS]

01:19:35   trailer pixel like pixie dust when she [TS]

01:19:37   moves around [TS]

01:19:38   yeah I'm just brilliant show chill down [TS]

01:19:41   like if you look at the the joys inside [TS]

01:19:44   the adults they're not as sparkly and [TS]

01:19:47   it's like they always do something like [TS]

01:19:49   some some new texturing or lighting [TS]

01:19:51   technique or whatever [TS]

01:19:52   and.and in this movie was on main [TS]

01:19:55   characters and it was just really i [TS]

01:19:58   think it lent a visual interest to the [TS]

01:20:00   movie that like there there's a certain [TS]

01:20:03   a certain kind of I feel like a pic out [TS]

01:20:05   maybe i'm picking at render man I don't [TS]

01:20:07   know what I'm picking out but i can i [TS]

01:20:08   can pick out a pixar sort of look and [TS]

01:20:10   feel of how they light their scenes and [TS]

01:20:12   everything you can show me a shot from [TS]

01:20:14   brave and shot from strek that are [TS]

01:20:16   showing like a table and I could tell [TS]

01:20:18   you which is which because it just looks [TS]

01:20:20   different and this one I think look [TS]

01:20:22   different again then all of the earlier [TS]

01:20:24   pixar movies in an interesting way which [TS]

01:20:27   is again why I think you didn't need the [TS]

01:20:28   abstract animation thing because the [TS]

01:20:31   rest of the movie was also very [TS]

01:20:32   inventive these weren't just like oh [TS]

01:20:34   this is exactly how we draw people in [TS]

01:20:36   toy story 3 and now they're just gonna [TS]

01:20:37   be a bunch of people running around in a [TS]

01:20:38   head they really thought about every [TS]

01:20:41   aspect of that internal world and how it [TS]

01:20:43   can be different and hyper real and like [TS]

01:20:46   and the real world was sort of more like [TS]

01:20:48   hey we can do people now decently [TS]

01:20:50   whatever but inside the head world if [TS]

01:20:52   you know is fair game to make things out [TS]

01:20:54   of clay or shiny plastic or blowing [TS]

01:20:58   bubbles bouncing around or whatever [TS]

01:21:00   right but but every other portion of of [TS]

01:21:03   the interior stuff was very [TS]

01:21:05   comprehensible and and so I felt I felt [TS]

01:21:09   it really needed something to say that [TS]

01:21:10   no we still don't understand every part [TS]

01:21:13   of the brain and even even they don't [TS]

01:21:14   understand your project was just the [TS]

01:21:16   crew just cleaning that was burned that [TS]

01:21:17   stuff out you know like the idea that [TS]

01:21:20   there are sections they get messed up [TS]

01:21:22   and you just burn them out by [TS]

01:21:24   simplifying them down to their elemental [TS]

01:21:26   thoughts may just prove away you could I [TS]

01:21:28   get another way they could have gone in [TS]

01:21:29   like the early meetings for this is 0 [TS]

01:21:31   the inside of the mine the whole movie [TS]

01:21:32   could have been like that the whole [TS]

01:21:33   movie could have been super abstract [TS]

01:21:35   experimental like something that you [TS]

01:21:37   would see on a one-off episode of like [TS]

01:21:39   the electric company or something they [TS]

01:21:41   would just blow your brains out which is [TS]

01:21:42   what i said in the beginning it's sort [TS]

01:21:44   of like that's what is what when it was [TS]

01:21:45   first described that's what I wasn't [TS]

01:21:47   expecting maybe that's what they were [TS]

01:21:48   initially thinking and then it evolved [TS]

01:21:51   into society still gotta have a story [TS]

01:21:53   you know you can't get away with you you [TS]

01:21:54   gotta have a story cannot be like super [TS]

01:21:56   abstract and and yet 422 to contain what [TS]

01:21:59   it contains and still have that story it [TS]

01:22:02   is [TS]

01:22:03   yeah it's an impressive achievement to [TS]

01:22:05   do that [TS]

01:22:05   or we are running out of time but I [TS]

01:22:07   wanted to see if there are there other [TS]

01:22:09   things that you wanted to bring up to [TS]

01:22:11   talk about that we haven't covered the [TS]

01:22:13   triple dent gun cum jingle Oh best [TS]

01:22:15   running gag the last 15 minutes [TS]

01:22:17   remaining [TS]

01:22:18   my wife has a as an encyclopedic [TS]

01:22:20   knowledge of certain TV commercial [TS]

01:22:23   jingles from her childhood now that it [TS]

01:22:26   is amazing and so that was a moment [TS]

01:22:28   where i had to give her a little elbow [TS]

01:22:30   okay in here but yep yep yep she knew [TS]

01:22:33   she knew this stuff you just did it [TS]

01:22:35   stuck in there you can't get it out [TS]

01:22:37   you want to get out but you can't yep i [TS]

01:22:39   like to highlight the fact that this is [TS]

01:22:42   a Pixar movie and the main character is [TS]

01:22:44   a girl [TS]

01:22:45   yeah and it hadn't seen that brought up [TS]

01:22:47   a lot because the concentration is [TS]

01:22:49   entirely on the the world inside the [TS]

01:22:52   head of the person you know right [TS]

01:22:55   and interestingly the emotions inside [TS]

01:22:58   the head aren't or all girls or boys [TS]

01:23:00   either but like the main characters [TS]

01:23:02   movie riley is a girl and it did didn't [TS]

01:23:05   have to be that you know the issue she [TS]

01:23:07   could have been a boy in this movie [TS]

01:23:08   would work just as well and so it was a [TS]

01:23:10   choice to say you know what we have [TS]

01:23:12   enough movies where the main character [TS]

01:23:13   is a boy how about some more the main [TS]

01:23:15   character is a girl and I think that [TS]

01:23:16   that goes a long way and then character [TS]

01:23:18   inside the head [TS]

01:23:19   joy is female sadness also female given [TS]

01:23:23   the gender makes inside the head is [TS]

01:23:24   interesting i don't know if there was a [TS]

01:23:25   rhyme or reason for that error is just a [TS]

01:23:27   casting choice or whatever just decided [TS]

01:23:29   these like why aren't they all girls [TS]

01:23:30   inside the head you know there's well [TS]

01:23:32   that you know we we see we see some of [TS]

01:23:34   the female quote-unquote emotions with [TS]

01:23:37   mustaches in the dad's head right yeah [TS]

01:23:40   well it looked like all of the emotions [TS]

01:23:42   in each of the parents heads were the [TS]

01:23:46   same gender and I think Riley's clearly [TS]

01:23:49   a tomboy with with her love of hockey [TS]

01:23:52   and everything so she hasn't said she [TS]

01:23:54   hasn't quite decided maybe and you know [TS]

01:23:56   maybe that involves I don't know [TS]

01:23:58   well I like I'm none of those things [TS]

01:23:59   were plot points like yeah she likes [TS]

01:24:01   hockey so watch is a girl so what like [TS]

01:24:03   it did and it hasn't come up in any of [TS]

01:24:05   the reviews of my co take your little [TS]

01:24:07   girl to see inside out you know which i [TS]

01:24:09   think is appropriate because no one ever [TS]

01:24:11   says I'll take your little boys to see [TS]

01:24:12   whatever the spooky is no just because [TS]

01:24:14   the makers of the boy [TS]

01:24:15   obviously you can't take girls it like [TS]

01:24:17   it is [TS]

01:24:18   sort of casual up improvements and [TS]

01:24:24   gender parity and the whole mixed-gender [TS]

01:24:27   inside the head things for kids is [TS]

01:24:29   another curves unlike ambience like I [TS]

01:24:32   don't think that was a big message of [TS]

01:24:33   the movie but i think it's there i think [TS]

01:24:35   it will work its way into into people's [TS]

01:24:37   heads and in the same kind of way that [TS]

01:24:39   you know frozen is a you know a giant [TS]

01:24:42   allegory for not enough the side of the [TS]

01:24:44   right world David tell me for [TS]

01:24:45   homosexuality like just they snuck that [TS]

01:24:47   in there and the city movie that [TS]

01:24:49   everyone going to take their kids to [TS]

01:24:50   write not in this movie that you know [TS]

01:24:52   gender identity issues and gender roles [TS]

01:24:54   and the idea that you can have a summer [TS]

01:24:57   blockbuster we centered around a girl [TS]

01:24:58   and everyone will go see it and it's [TS]

01:24:59   fine and have nobody talking about any [TS]

01:25:02   of that and just have to be there [TS]

01:25:03   I like that yeah I don't wanna I wanna [TS]

01:25:06   bring the place down bring us down [TS]

01:25:08   Merlin well I you're gonna make this [TS]

01:25:10   craft you touch it if you touch it it's [TS]

01:25:12   gonna turn sad [TS]

01:25:13   don't touch it Merlin it's a half hour [TS]

01:25:15   past midnight right now and i'll be [TS]

01:25:17   going to bed about 20 minutes send me to [TS]

01:25:19   bed just a feeling Carolyn I'm drawing a [TS]

01:25:21   circle on the floor [TS]

01:25:23   stay inside the circle grabbed me by my [TS]

01:25:25   ankle and drag me around [TS]

01:25:27   well i was gonna be a little time but I [TS]

01:25:30   mean just I i just think that sadness [TS]

01:25:33   was a triumph but they have a highlight [TS]

01:25:36   is I guess the memory dump because [TS]

01:25:39   that's where I really felt my harp heart [TS]

01:25:43   ripped out and i think it was so well [TS]

01:25:45   done and I feel like I you know I could [TS]

01:25:47   watch this movie a few more times and [TS]

01:25:48   still gets so much about on the one hand [TS]

01:25:52   the the emotional arc of the movie [TS]

01:25:56   really just blows up in the memory down [TS]

01:26:00   because if you really think what's [TS]

01:26:01   happening you know joy the the basic [TS]

01:26:03   emotion the emotion is kind of the boss [TS]

01:26:05   that runs the the center is gone [TS]

01:26:07   she's in this memory dump and there's [TS]

01:26:09   just something so like it maybe even [TS]

01:26:11   more than the toys headed toward the [TS]

01:26:13   incinerator in toy story 3 there's [TS]

01:26:15   something just gut-wrenching about the [TS]

01:26:17   way that she's picking up these memories [TS]

01:26:19   that she remembers these are kind of her [TS]

01:26:21   memories to these these black these [TS]

01:26:23   charred memories and she's watching [TS]

01:26:25   disappear around her [TS]

01:26:27   there's something so affecting about [TS]

01:26:28   that scene [TS]

01:26:29   and it's not it's not exactly mawkish is [TS]

01:26:32   what's weird is it's because you're like [TS]

01:26:34   you would not appreciate joy as her own [TS]

01:26:36   character and understand that for joy as [TS]

01:26:39   a hard-working part of this console team [TS]

01:26:41   like she knows like that's her memory to [TS]

01:26:43   going away and just sitting there and [TS]

01:26:45   watching those go away is was was rough [TS]

01:26:50   but you know also then when they sing [TS]

01:26:53   the song and in the end the rocket you [TS]

01:26:55   know wagon shows up I just like that [TS]

01:26:57   whole bit was about as dark as you could [TS]

01:27:00   get and still be so triumphant and I [TS]

01:27:04   think I feel like that is a master class [TS]

01:27:06   in a certain kind of economical [TS]

01:27:07   storytelling down to the the fully of [TS]

01:27:10   what it sounds like when you tumble down [TS]

01:27:12   a whole bunch of dying memories down to [TS]

01:27:14   like how economically they compressed [TS]

01:27:17   the three different tries that getting [TS]

01:27:19   up to the cliff did that to me feels [TS]

01:27:21   like a master course in a certain kind [TS]

01:27:23   of a certain kind of storytelling that i [TS]

01:27:27   thought was I thought it was just I [TS]

01:27:30   thought was brilliant absolutely the the [TS]

01:27:32   pacing of that is so well done and I [TS]

01:27:35   mean I always make jokes about Chekhov's [TS]

01:27:37   gun right you know if you reduce a gun [TS]

01:27:39   in the first act that has to go off by [TS]

01:27:40   the third act and so I make jokes about [TS]

01:27:42   you know all the cops check out the [TS]

01:27:43   wagon [TS]

01:27:44   I always just sort of sit back and let [TS]

01:27:46   pixar wash over me and and the [TS]

01:27:48   thirteen-year-old leaned over and said [TS]

01:27:49   as as joy gets up to the the thing we're [TS]

01:27:53   in then leaves bing-bong he said that [TS]

01:27:56   was checkups imaginary friends rocket [TS]

01:27:59   wagon [TS]

01:28:00   yeah and I went son of ya NE that's the [TS]

01:28:03   exact alignment I knew that wagon was [TS]

01:28:05   coming back i was still surprised an [TS]

01:28:08   anti delighted by the fact that you guys [TS]

01:28:10   you know I assumed it would come back in [TS]

01:28:12   a triumphant seen to a swell of music [TS]

01:28:14   with rainbows bursting from behind it [TS]

01:28:15   and it did sort of but not really [TS]

01:28:18   yeah i mean and it didn't get exactly it [TS]

01:28:21   didn't fulfill your expectation of it [TS]

01:28:22   which was just beautiful also died I i [TS]

01:28:26   was nicely misdirected by that I thought [TS]

01:28:29   that when the wagon was tossed into the [TS]

01:28:31   pit into the pit [TS]

01:28:32   it was basically if not not [TS]

01:28:35   put being put some place where it can be [TS]

01:28:37   used again so much as reminding [TS]

01:28:39   everybody by the way you lose what's [TS]

01:28:41   that goes back in the pit it never comes [TS]

01:28:43   back again so here's the spot a danger [TS]

01:28:45   so wasn't until the characters [TS]

01:28:47   themselves were thinking gosh we're down [TS]

01:28:49   here how we're gonna get out there [TS]

01:28:50   I'm the way I didn't think about that [TS]

01:28:52   until the other characters did which is [TS]

01:28:54   something that I really really like you [TS]

01:28:55   know you did but we talk about the one [TS]

01:28:57   but maybe this is the one point where I [TS]

01:28:59   had that sort of okay I can see I can [TS]

01:29:02   see you solving a problem in the writers [TS]

01:29:04   room was you have this a lot of comedy [TS]

01:29:07   from the fact that joy is trying to [TS]

01:29:08   protect these core memories and bring [TS]

01:29:11   them back and she's kind of juggling [TS]

01:29:13   them because of their awkward at all [TS]

01:29:15   big 1i have a bag you want to want to [TS]

01:29:17   bang one about your character oh wow [TS]

01:29:19   that would solve the problem having to [TS]

01:29:21   animate I me boy that would be a lot [TS]

01:29:22   more convenient to carry this around in [TS]

01:29:24   the kitchen sink comes out in a memory [TS]

01:29:28   dump talking about getting dark [TS]

01:29:30   the darkest part of this movie I think [TS]

01:29:32   they don't really go towards busy [TS]

01:29:33   because they shouldn't is so you've got [TS]

01:29:35   all these component emotions and [TS]

01:29:37   characters in the end and she's losing [TS]

01:29:38   them and then enjoy goes into the memory [TS]

01:29:40   dump like so many plot points that [TS]

01:29:43   happen inside this movie are one step [TS]

01:29:46   away from madness basically saying when [TS]

01:29:48   this happens when your joy was in the [TS]

01:29:50   memory dump and disintegrates like [TS]

01:29:51   you've got problems you know this [TS]

01:29:53   synthesis you know so many things that [TS]

01:29:55   can go simple things that can go wrong [TS]

01:29:57   in terms of people getting lost and no [TS]

01:29:58   longer being at the console are [TS]

01:30:00   essentially like terrible mental [TS]

01:30:02   illnesses or madness [TS]

01:30:04   it's so close to uniting like we know is [TS]

01:30:06   a Pixar movie they're gonna you know [TS]

01:30:07   we're gonna come back was going to be [TS]

01:30:09   new islands or whatever but it and you [TS]

01:30:10   like at various points this moving like [TS]

01:30:12   where they going with this like is this [TS]

01:30:14   kid like i'd mention you have a serial [TS]

01:30:16   killer but even just something like it [TS]

01:30:18   its once you have this world established [TS]

01:30:21   mundane things that happened in it have [TS]

01:30:24   massive consequences for the future of [TS]

01:30:26   that but like what if what if you can't [TS]

01:30:28   feel joy what if your joy loses a leg [TS]

01:30:30   right now how is that affect you for the [TS]

01:30:32   rest of your life what if one of your [TS]

01:30:34   sadness is giant and eats to your other [TS]

01:30:37   emotions like you know like what what [TS]

01:30:40   status designed a stroll you know [TS]

01:30:42   like the parity and sorry we only have [TS]

01:30:44   enough thought bubbles for four of us so [TS]

01:30:47   one of you I think you know what to do [TS]

01:30:49   I kind of imagined I i had that same [TS]

01:30:51   thought John and and I was thinking that [TS]

01:30:53   that what happens if joy were to [TS]

01:30:54   disintegrate there and my thought is [TS]

01:30:56   that at some point after some therapy [TS]

01:30:57   you know a new joy would appear in the [TS]

01:31:00   hand like a little bit like we were I [TS]

01:31:02   think alternative read The Sandman I [TS]

01:31:04   think we're all thinking about how we [TS]

01:31:06   can help like the light becomes delirium [TS]

01:31:08   and how dream becomes Daniel I think [TS]

01:31:11   that those affecting some of our thought [TS]

01:31:12   processes well and I that's another [TS]

01:31:15   thing to bring up is we haven't even [TS]

01:31:16   talked about the dreams the dreams icon [TS]

01:31:19   which I me not how brilliant was that [TS]

01:31:23   the reality distortion filter yeah yeah [TS]

01:31:26   well that was a laugh-out-loud moments [TS]

01:31:27   for some of us [TS]

01:31:29   the reality star trek something was [TS]

01:31:31   believer everyone yeah yeah I thought [TS]

01:31:33   you had that the dream the the idea that [TS]

01:31:35   the dream is a movie studio yeah and and [TS]

01:31:38   all the actors like this little block [TS]

01:31:39   indistinct blobs but through the camera [TS]

01:31:41   lens and ya know that was a thing of [TS]

01:31:44   beauty and then the way they kind of [TS]

01:31:45   like in incompetently send a message to [TS]

01:31:49   wake her up and then the clown comes and [TS]

01:31:51   is terrifying is that was all that was [TS]

01:31:54   all gold [TS]

01:31:55   here's a here's a victory lap for you [TS]

01:31:56   ready for this 94 minutes please believe [TS]

01:32:01   that I mean like so many of the movies [TS]

01:32:03   we make all movies 94 minutes long run [TS]

01:32:05   well yeah well I never well all animated [TS]

01:32:09   movies are pretty much 90 minutes long [TS]

01:32:11   so what I mean like we love think it in [TS]

01:32:13   so well in the last year we have really [TS]

01:32:15   loved a ton of superior movies the Harry [TS]

01:32:19   Potter movies have loomed large over the [TS]

01:32:21   last year but like 94 minutes that is so [TS]

01:32:24   much story to get into 94 minutes [TS]

01:32:26   oh yeah and world building and if ever [TS]

01:32:29   there was a movie that was going to [TS]

01:32:30   spill out to be two hours would be this [TS]

01:32:31   one because like there's an infinite [TS]

01:32:33   number we just went through all the [TS]

01:32:34   ideas that weren't in this movie that [TS]

01:32:36   would just be so much so much more that [TS]

01:32:37   you that you mean I know there's a part [TS]

01:32:39   of this it is let's be honest certain [TS]

01:32:42   amount of pixar hagiography pixar takes [TS]

01:32:44   like apple takes a lot of pride in [TS]

01:32:46   certain kinds of things [TS]

01:32:47   Pixar has certain stories that they like [TS]

01:32:49   to share with you they will hit you meet [TS]

01:32:51   someone picks are they will tell you [TS]

01:32:52   about how they took 10 minutes out of [TS]

01:32:53   the incredibles it's a great story [TS]

01:32:55   and in this case though I mean like the [TS]

01:32:57   thing is as you guys on the incomparable [TS]

01:32:58   like to say it's on the screen that they [TS]

01:33:00   got all that in 94 minutes without any [TS]

01:33:02   more like no but no but no but we have [TS]

01:33:04   to explain this more and they didn't [TS]

01:33:06   they they put everything that needed to [TS]

01:33:08   be there on the screen and they got out [TS]

01:33:09   in like the length of the Merv Griffin [TS]

01:33:11   Show yeah and that's not that's not to [TS]

01:33:13   be diminished a little over the weekend [TS]

01:33:15   i saw a movie that was 14 minutes long [TS]

01:33:17   and I could see oh my god it's nine [TS]

01:33:20   minutes to is way way too long i can I [TS]

01:33:23   can't sit through this entire thing [TS]

01:33:24   because it is so not need to be a [TS]

01:33:26   40-minute long movie but as a zebra said [TS]

01:33:29   you know no good movie is is long enough [TS]

01:33:31   no bad movie is short enough and pixar I [TS]

01:33:34   can't actually I I'm not sure haven't [TS]

01:33:36   seen the two cars movies but I can't [TS]

01:33:38   think of a single Pixar movie that had a [TS]

01:33:40   scene that I thought yeah they could [TS]

01:33:41   have lost this you know if they wanted [TS]

01:33:42   to make this movie longer like i [TS]

01:33:44   mentioned at the beginning the balance [TS]

01:33:45   between the inside the head and outside [TS]

01:33:47   the head it's clear that when it came [TS]

01:33:49   time to choose which is more important [TS]

01:33:52   inside the head one so they had to show [TS]

01:33:54   you enough of outside Riley for you to [TS]

01:33:56   understand rally as the character for [TS]

01:33:58   there to be stakes but there wasn't a [TS]

01:34:01   lot of plot driven by you get to see [TS]

01:34:04   Riley doing stuff like it was always [TS]

01:34:06   your inside the head and then you zoomed [TS]

01:34:08   out to see what's happening with rally [TS]

01:34:09   during this time and then back in again [TS]

01:34:11   and so if you wanted to make the longer [TS]

01:34:12   movie you could have had more outside [TS]

01:34:14   stuff but they made the right choice and [TS]

01:34:16   I think in the balance of concentrating [TS]

01:34:18   on only pulling back out to show you the [TS]

01:34:20   context and then go back in that because [TS]

01:34:23   I mean and that's true to the experience [TS]

01:34:25   of living like you live inside your own [TS]

01:34:26   head right you don't live in third [TS]

01:34:28   person watching yourself for the most [TS]

01:34:30   part so that was a wise choice and I [TS]

01:34:31   think that really helps cut down the [TS]

01:34:33   time even if you could have made sort of [TS]

01:34:35   like a fuller movie with more with more [TS]

01:34:38   external outside stuff is important [TS]

01:34:40   because of steaks but it's also [TS]

01:34:42   important to keep you connected to the [TS]

01:34:43   metaphor i think that one of the ways [TS]

01:34:44   that this film could have lost it lost [TS]

01:34:47   itself [TS]

01:34:48   I mean but I mean like really really [TS]

01:34:50   lost itself it like literally I don't [TS]

01:34:53   know how this actually it connects to a [TS]

01:34:55   person and that what I think it would [TS]

01:34:57   have been really easy to do that that [TS]

01:34:59   like oh it's an imaginary world inside [TS]

01:35:01   your head and every time we go back out [TS]

01:35:03   into the outside world I feel like that [TS]

01:35:05   it that is one of the things that the [TS]

01:35:06   film is doing is is resetting it [TS]

01:35:08   mr. if they stayed inside you would have [TS]

01:35:10   demanded the thing i mentioned before is [TS]

01:35:11   it well inside all these characters [TS]

01:35:13   heads surely there are five people to [TS]

01:35:15   control panel of joy because suddenly [TS]

01:35:17   joy becomes the main character and she's [TS]

01:35:19   on an adventure through brain land [TS]

01:35:20   that's not the movie and what does it [TS]

01:35:21   mean what does it mean the joy and [TS]

01:35:23   sadness or lost and that the other [TS]

01:35:24   emotions are at the controls what does [TS]

01:35:26   that mean you have to see how how her [TS]

01:35:29   emotions change when she's cut off from [TS]

01:35:31   those emotional her external behavior [TS]

01:35:32   changes otherwise you lose for that for [TS]

01:35:36   what happens on the inside to have [TS]

01:35:37   meaning you have to see something and be [TS]

01:35:39   able to compare it to like this is the [TS]

01:35:41   human behavior that it that stems from [TS]

01:35:43   this thing we're seeing inside her head [TS]

01:35:45   it can't be just an adventure movie [TS]

01:35:47   inside brain land it can't be like help [TS]

01:35:49   joy and sadness find their way to the [TS]

01:35:51   golden when they make their way to the [TS]

01:35:52   goal everything will be okay and then [TS]

01:35:53   we'll show you on the outside that [TS]

01:35:54   everything is ok that's not what this [TS]

01:35:56   movie is about right [TS]

01:35:57   XR they're pretty good at what they do I [TS]

01:35:59   think bold statement don't they'll do it [TS]

01:36:02   they're one of the studios that you just [TS]

01:36:04   you just trust them you can really just [TS]

01:36:06   trust them whatever whatever they I they [TS]

01:36:08   I had that first sort of questionable [TS]

01:36:11   moment with the the pre news about up [TS]

01:36:15   all i know is that ok it's about a guy [TS]

01:36:17   in his eighties and he flies away in his [TS]

01:36:20   house at by tying a lot of balloons to [TS]

01:36:23   it all man this looks pretty thin and [TS]

01:36:26   then you just okay from now on I trust [TS]

01:36:28   pixar they've got twelve dollars they [TS]

01:36:31   they might not get the second twelve [TS]

01:36:33   dollars for the second shooting but they [TS]

01:36:34   definitely get the first twelve dollars [TS]

01:36:36   alright it's been a pleasure talking [TS]

01:36:39   about inside out i'm glad we got to do [TS]

01:36:42   that we we often get requests for movies [TS]

01:36:44   that are in theaters now on the [TS]

01:36:46   uncomfortable and we don't do it a lot i [TS]

01:36:48   did the analysis it's something like I [TS]

01:36:49   think it's less than 10 10 times we've [TS]

01:36:51   done in five years [TS]

01:36:52   it is rare but I'm glad we got to do it [TS]

01:36:54   and i would like to thank my panelists [TS]

01:36:56   for joining me tonight and Aiko thanks [TS]

01:36:57   for being here it's been a slice i'm [TS]

01:37:00   going to cry a little bit but it's been [TS]

01:37:01   a slice [TS]

01:37:02   laughs we cried we learned we grew a [TS]

01:37:05   little salsa really are [TS]

01:37:06   David lower thank you I've got a good [TS]

01:37:09   feeling about this one John siracusa [TS]

01:37:11   what color are your emotion orbs i was [TS]

01:37:15   going to say i love you but your friend [TS]

01:37:16   to basket [TS]

01:37:17   your question and merlin mann it is [TS]

01:37:22   always a pleasure to have you when i'm [TS]

01:37:23   so happy that you can join us [TS]

01:37:25   crying helps me slow down and obsess [TS]

01:37:26   over the weight of life's problems and [TS]

01:37:29   thank you to everybody out there [TS]

01:37:30   listening to the incomparable we'll see [TS]

01:37:32   you next week [TS]

01:37:33   this is jason still something up [TS]

01:37:38   hi Erica [TS]

01:37:43   hi Steven what are you doing here well [TS]

01:37:45   we're talking about a doctor who podcast [TS]

01:37:47   that we do together called lazy doctor [TS]

01:37:50   who [TS]

01:37:50   oh really what's that about it's where [TS]

01:37:52   you and I watch Doctor Who from the very [TS]

01:37:55   first episode made in 1963 up to the [TS]

01:37:58   present day and then we talk about it on [TS]

01:38:00   the podcast what over 800 episodes of [TS]

01:38:03   Doctor Who from William Hartnell the [TS]

01:38:05   Peter capacity all in one sitting [TS]

01:38:07   no silly we talk about each episode as [TS]

01:38:10   we watch them or maybe we talked about a [TS]

01:38:13   couple episodes per podcast or however [TS]

01:38:15   many we feel like watching in a [TS]

01:38:16   particular night [TS]

01:38:18   how on earth are we gonna fit all of [TS]

01:38:20   these podcasts in well that is the [TS]

01:38:22   beauty of it we record a podcast [TS]

01:38:24   whenever we get around to it and for [TS]

01:38:26   however long we want to talk for or lazy [TS]

01:38:28   like that so it's a doctor who podcasts [TS]

01:38:32   where the hosts are kind of lazy so lazy [TS]

01:38:35   doctor who find it on the incomparable [TS]

01:38:37   network on itunes or at lazy doctor who [TS]

01:38:41   dot com thanks for explaining that I was [TS]

01:38:43   feeling lazy [TS]