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253: Ignoring the Movie Completely


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00:00:25   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:27   incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:29   li convene this edition of our old movie [TS]

00:00:31   club Movie Club thank you I'd like to [TS]

00:00:36   welcome all of our panelists that was [TS]

00:00:38   Steve lot i see [TS]

00:00:39   hello sugar David laura is out there as [TS]

00:00:42   well [TS]

00:00:43   David hello hey you're fine man system [TS]

00:00:46   Monty Ashley welcome that's you're a [TS]

00:00:49   good man sister he repeated you you lug [TS]

00:00:53   it i corrected [TS]

00:00:56   good morning out there hello damn don't [TS]

00:00:58   crowd me Jason Erica and sign hello [TS]

00:01:03   hello I'm just looking forward to you [TS]

00:01:05   Birds crack and foxy [TS]

00:01:08   hey a first-time visitor longtime [TS]

00:01:11   listener the other internet so dr. drag [TS]

00:01:14   is here hello [TS]

00:01:14   I don't mind telling you Jason I'm a man [TS]

00:01:17   who likes talking to a man who watch [TS]

00:01:18   though and the ringleader of the old [TS]

00:01:25   movie club because he is increasingly [TS]

00:01:27   old in years but always old and spirit [TS]

00:01:30   it's phillip Michaels hello hard-bitten [TS]

00:01:32   dialogue it's all in the delivery room [TS]

00:01:37   yes so he'll tell us what we watched [TS]

00:01:39   explain to me what we watched acquainted [TS]

00:01:41   with years as you as you may have [TS]

00:01:43   guessed from from the the peanut gallery [TS]

00:01:46   we watched a lot of dashiell hammett [TS]

00:01:48   movies tonight or specifically movies [TS]

00:01:50   based on the work of Dashiell Hammett [TS]

00:01:52   and even more specifically still we [TS]

00:01:54   watched The Maltese Falcon the 1949-50 [TS]

00:01:59   one [TS]

00:01:59   Thank You 1941 version i would have got [TS]

00:02:02   me wrong and we also watched the Thin [TS]

00:02:04   Man 1934 1934 is the thin man both based [TS]

00:02:09   on dashiell hammett books as previously [TS]

00:02:12   indicated alright so the dashiell [TS]

00:02:15   hammett is our is our connecting factor [TS]

00:02:17   yes he a mystery writer of some repute [TS]

00:02:20   and [TS]

00:02:22   a a couple of movies that i enjoy 11 [TS]

00:02:26   more than the other and probably one [TS]

00:02:28   more than a lot of people in this room [TS]

00:02:30   right now enjoy it to give away the [TS]

00:02:33   ending where should we start [TS]

00:02:34   Oh dealers choice what do you what do [TS]

00:02:37   you say I'll i will I like to end on a [TS]

00:02:39   positive note [TS]

00:02:40   ok let's start the maltese falcon damn [TS]

00:02:43   well my god podcast is over i have aged [TS]

00:02:48   well Jason the maltese falcon is a great [TS]

00:02:54   movie appreciated by filmgoers me [TS]

00:02:56   concerning a little bit sophisticated [TS]

00:02:59   for something if the club [TS]

00:03:02   it's the story of Sam Spade as played by [TS]

00:03:05   humphrey bogart he is a detective in San [TS]

00:03:09   Francisco his partner is Miles Archer [TS]

00:03:11   apparently the worst detective in the [TS]

00:03:13   world as weak as we find out early on in [TS]

00:03:16   the movie seconds after we meet him [TS]

00:03:18   yes anyhow a dame stumbles into Sam [TS]

00:03:21   spades office with with a story that we [TS]

00:03:25   we quickly everyone in the noses is a [TS]

00:03:27   false story her sister is in town [TS]

00:03:29   there's a man with they're trying to [TS]

00:03:31   trying to kidnapper and won't Sam Spade [TS]

00:03:34   a go and try and get the girl back but [TS]

00:03:38   miles Archer sticks his big stupid nose [TS]

00:03:41   into it and and says hey I'll do it and [TS]

00:03:43   for his troubles miles Archer gets shot [TS]

00:03:46   also the man he was tailing get shot so [TS]

00:03:48   the police figure either up Sam Spade [TS]

00:03:51   killed killed the man who killed a miles [TS]

00:03:54   archer who is a gentleman called Floyd [TS]

00:03:56   Thursby or since Sam Spade apparently [TS]

00:03:59   had an affair with Miles arches wife [TS]

00:04:01   maybe he killed miles Archer to and so [TS]

00:04:04   Sam decides that the only way that he's [TS]

00:04:07   going to get the police off his back is [TS]

00:04:10   to solve the crime himself so he he he [TS]

00:04:12   gets in good with the girl whose name is [TS]

00:04:15   Bridget O'Shaughnessy and discoveries [TS]

00:04:17   that what she really is in town for is [TS]

00:04:19   for an object called The Maltese Falcon [TS]

00:04:22   Anton and there are a bunch of other a [TS]

00:04:26   crooked characters in for it as well [TS]

00:04:28   there is Peter Lorre who plays a [TS]

00:04:31   gentleman named Jill Cairo who is a [TS]

00:04:33   wonderful wonderful [TS]

00:04:35   cinematic character and i will be [TS]

00:04:39   student made it i read in the newspaper [TS]

00:04:41   is there some unfortunate connection [TS]

00:04:43   between the man therapy and you're the [TS]

00:04:45   partner ended Peter Lorre delivers every [TS]

00:04:48   line like that he is that this is the [TS]

00:04:50   most this is maximum Peter Lorre a [TS]

00:04:52   second Peter Lorre is Lori laurent yeah [TS]

00:04:55   so he is Joel Cairo he is looking for [TS]

00:04:59   the Maltese Falcon and Sydney [TS]

00:05:01   Greenstreet who i think has over the [TS]

00:05:04   years surpassed Joel Cairo is my [TS]

00:05:06   favorite character in this movie he [TS]

00:05:07   plays he plays a character delightfully [TS]

00:05:10   named Casper gutman like aka the fat man [TS]

00:05:14   in his film debut [TS]

00:05:15   yes this is the first movie that that [TS]

00:05:18   Sydney Greenstreet ever made known as [TS]

00:05:20   the fat man is mat Porkins seemed like a [TS]

00:05:23   good idea for uh and he is sort of like [TS]

00:05:30   the the guy who wants the maltese falcon [TS]

00:05:32   the most he has a he has a güncel in [TS]

00:05:36   his employ named Wilmer played by old [TS]

00:05:39   movie club favorite elections jr. yeah [TS]

00:05:41   class is adding a punching bag Elijah [TS]

00:05:44   could to this is what started him on [TS]

00:05:47   that path [TS]

00:05:47   no one ever saw him as anything other [TS]

00:05:49   than you're going to die horribly it's [TS]

00:05:51   something that is only role getting beat [TS]

00:05:53   up by Booker T the right yeah that they [TS]

00:05:55   sleep too [TS]

00:05:55   yeah here's this is literally the steve [TS]

00:05:57   buscemi of his day [TS]

00:05:58   you look kinda you have these kinda [TS]

00:06:03   crazy eyes and we're just going to [TS]

00:06:05   humiliate and you're probably wind up [TS]

00:06:07   dead by the end of the movie or at least [TS]

00:06:09   beat up the menu see him you know [TS]

00:06:10   terrible things are going to happen and [TS]

00:06:12   Elijah called junior and there's nothing [TS]

00:06:13   good has ever happened is what I'm used [TS]

00:06:15   to the idea and he's careless with [TS]

00:06:16   matches [TS]

00:06:18   so there are many twists and turns and [TS]

00:06:21   and betrayals and eventually the The [TS]

00:06:24   Maltese Falcon does wind up in Sam [TS]

00:06:26   spades hands they have the classic [TS]

00:06:29   dashiell hammett mystery movie moment [TS]

00:06:31   where all the crooks are gathered in the [TS]

00:06:33   room and and the how the crimes went [TS]

00:06:36   down as explained and eventually what [TS]

00:06:39   happens is that a lot Elijah cook jr. is [TS]

00:06:43   is properly arrested for the murder of [TS]

00:06:46   of Floyd Thursby the cops also grab Joel [TS]

00:06:50   Cairo and and Kasper Gutman and it turns [TS]

00:06:54   out the bridge O'Shaughnessy was the one [TS]

00:06:56   who gunned down miles archer who shot [TS]

00:06:59   gasps and she's counting on Humphrey [TS]

00:07:02   Bogart who was falling in love with her [TS]

00:07:04   to you know let this one slide but he [TS]

00:07:07   won't do it he has the this is if you're [TS]

00:07:10   familiar with movie dialogue this is the [TS]

00:07:12   i won't play the SAP for you and she is [TS]

00:07:15   sent away to prison and that's the end [TS]

00:07:18   of movie and that's the quickest plot [TS]

00:07:20   summary I've ever done that means [TS]

00:07:22   yeah especially considering him now I'd [TS]

00:07:25   like to go back to the beginning yes [TS]

00:07:27   yeah so we were onto the one minute then [TS]

00:07:32   without the next hour will be spent Phil [TS]

00:07:35   explaining every detail of the Thin Man [TS]

00:07:36   plot [TS]

00:07:37   oh no no no I it occurred to me as I was [TS]

00:07:40   watching The Thin Man that the maltese [TS]

00:07:43   falcon is one of the rare i don't know [TS]

00:07:45   that it i wouldn't call this a film noir [TS]

00:07:47   but it's one of the rare new Irish [TS]

00:07:48   movies where the plot is actually [TS]

00:07:50   comprehensible and and they actually I i [TS]

00:07:53   find maybe it's because I've seen it so [TS]

00:07:55   many times but it took a lot of pausing [TS]

00:07:58   and rewinding form it's it's really [TS]

00:08:00   important it's not that important but i [TS]

00:08:03   think these bars think the plot is is [TS]

00:08:05   usually so byzantine and yet so I for me [TS]

00:08:09   anyway so not really part of why I would [TS]

00:08:14   enjoy the film [TS]

00:08:15   it's more of just it's something to hang [TS]

00:08:17   the characters very limited window [TS]

00:08:20   dressing [TS]

00:08:20   here's why these people are hanging out [TS]

00:08:22   together yeah I MacGuffin and but I i [TS]

00:08:24   think that having seen this movie [TS]

00:08:27   yo dozens of times yeah fair to say i [TS]

00:08:31   I'm able to to to follow the plot lines [TS]

00:08:34   and and it takes like five six few hints [TS]

00:08:38   before finally begins to oh that's [TS]

00:08:39   that's why they're going to burlingame [TS]

00:08:41   got it so it I i mean i-i i enjoyed I [TS]

00:08:48   think it's a I think it's a good story [TS]

00:08:50   and I i like the Humphrey book our [TS]

00:08:51   character a lot I some may disagree and [TS]

00:08:54   I open the floor to them this is my [TS]

00:08:56   second time watching The Maltese Falcon [TS]

00:08:58   and actually the first time [TS]

00:08:59   I really didn't think very much of it [TS]

00:09:01   was kind of like Matt's it's fine and I [TS]

00:09:03   liked it much better this time and I [TS]

00:09:04   don't know how much of that has to do [TS]

00:09:06   with understanding the plot better and [TS]

00:09:08   how much has to do with any other random [TS]

00:09:10   factor that could be going on but yeah [TS]

00:09:12   these movies kind of dosey doe a little [TS]

00:09:14   bit kind of the first times I'd watch [TS]

00:09:15   them be right back gotta go watch The [TS]

00:09:17   Maltese Falcon again so this is sassy [TS]

00:09:23   Jason tonight [TS]

00:09:24   yeah i think the reason I like it is not [TS]

00:09:26   necessarily the plot i think it's the [TS]

00:09:28   collection of characters I i do like the [TS]

00:09:30   the the guy I've spoken of my admiration [TS]

00:09:34   for for Joel Cairo and Kasper Gutman I [TS]

00:09:37   think even Elijah cook jr. does a good [TS]

00:09:39   job with his with his hapless gunman and [TS]

00:09:42   and they throw in a bunch of other just [TS]

00:09:44   minor characters who in other movies he [TS]

00:09:47   wouldn't think much about but they [TS]

00:09:48   they're the third there's the lieutenant [TS]

00:09:51   who wants to corral Sam Spade hates him [TS]

00:09:55   so much [TS]

00:09:56   yes well you can understand that i just [TS]

00:09:59   made if you're guilty and I wouldn't [TS]

00:10:00   blame you [TS]

00:10:01   you'll get most of the brakes for me if [TS]

00:10:04   you had a guy like that in your town [TS]

00:10:05   you'd really want to arrest him for [TS]

00:10:07   something wouldn't yeah and we get [TS]

00:10:09   adjusted applause for a cameo by john [TS]

00:10:12   huston's father Walter Huston as the man [TS]

00:10:14   who died his immediately financer in [TS]

00:10:17   Sam's baby it's all he gets to say two [TS]

00:10:19   words and then he dies because he's been [TS]

00:10:21   shot full of lead he's the captain of [TS]

00:10:23   the boat that brought the maltese falcon [TS]

00:10:25   to San Francisco apparently Jack Warner [TS]

00:10:28   wouldn't let him do it unless he [TS]

00:10:29   promised he wouldn't ask a penny for the [TS]

00:10:31   role then he could stumble into the room [TS]

00:10:34   and died apparently he also kept [TS]

00:10:36   screwing it up on purpose to screw with [TS]

00:10:37   your son and i think that was just-- [TS]

00:10:39   that we mentioned this was a Sydney [TS]

00:10:41   Greenstreet source movie i think this [TS]

00:10:42   was john huston's it was mercy [TS]

00:10:45   electorial that movie i believe his [TS]

00:10:47   lines upon entering the office are you [TS]

00:10:49   know Falcon yeah she did he die if your [TS]

00:10:54   PKA mr. Falcon we got the the other copy [TS]

00:10:59   the good cop to the police lieutenants [TS]

00:11:01   bad cop is played by work bond who [TS]

00:11:04   appears in every movie ever made notable [TS]

00:11:07   dialogue huh haha [TS]

00:11:09   maybe the classic final line of the [TS]

00:11:12   movie everybody remembers it [TS]

00:11:14   young people John is the reason why they [TS]

00:11:15   had to switch to send with CinemaScope [TS]

00:11:17   it consumes the entire screen at full [TS]

00:11:20   frame know he they there if i did that [TS]

00:11:23   list of 100 greatest movies a few years [TS]

00:11:25   ago and he's an eight of them is a [TS]

00:11:27   memorable in any of them [TS]

00:11:29   hmm some of the the John Wayne once he [TS]

00:11:32   sees member yeah in faerie his score [TS]

00:11:34   gets run up because he has like he's in [TS]

00:11:35   five minutes of Gone with the Wind it's [TS]

00:11:38   the best five minutes of the movie [TS]

00:11:39   it depicts the I was excited to to see [TS]

00:11:42   you state your own calendar on count [TS]

00:11:44   because Miracle on thirty-fourth Street [TS]

00:11:46   was like hey there's no he's dead [TS]

00:11:47   there's your cries for her too though [TS]

00:11:48   because in the second movie mr. Sawyer [TS]

00:11:50   from Miracle on thirty-fourth street [TS]

00:11:52   price the lawyer and cousin Eustace also [TS]

00:11:54   shows up in that briefly from from it's [TS]

00:11:57   a wonderful life is the best five [TS]

00:11:59   minutes have gone with the wind that [TS]

00:12:00   tracking shot of all the dead bodies [TS]

00:12:02   ok second-best five months haha you're [TS]

00:12:04   listening to the thirty-fourth Street [TS]

00:12:06   Venn diagram always know these for me [TS]

00:12:09   these old movies are the in my joint of [TS]

00:12:11   them is based on how many of the people [TS]

00:12:13   I recognized from christmas music scene [TS]

00:12:15   equipment is pretty much all the old [TS]

00:12:17   movies of this era that I've ever seen [TS]

00:12:18   so I get very excited when cousin used [TS]

00:12:20   his pops up drop it [TS]

00:12:23   well who doesn't I am in full agreement [TS]

00:12:25   with Phil I think this is a great movie [TS]

00:12:27   it's one of my favorites [TS]

00:12:29   mostly for the degree to which the [TS]

00:12:31   character actors get to just walk [TS]

00:12:33   onstage and be Sydney Greenstreet as [TS]

00:12:36   hard as they can ya take their time [TS]

00:12:38   they're all Sydney Greenstreet like all [TS]

00:12:40   five of them well you can tell how [TS]

00:12:42   iconic Pierre Lori's character is when [TS]

00:12:45   you consider that he also provided the [TS]

00:12:47   voice and catch phrase of ren the [TS]

00:12:51   asthmatic chihuahua like this is the [TS]

00:12:54   movie in which he yells you bloated [TS]

00:12:56   eediot yeah you stupid fat head [TS]

00:12:59   yeah everything is he always does he [TS]

00:13:02   always talk like this [TS]

00:13:03   that's his voice sex with boys have [TS]

00:13:05   always heard him you know imitated in [TS]

00:13:07   that fashion but i didn't know if that [TS]

00:13:09   was something putting on for this film [TS]

00:13:10   or if that was now because you see when [TS]

00:13:12   casa blocker and mr. moto films and in [TS]

00:13:16   some other films [TS]

00:13:17   he's a little his little more subtle [TS]

00:13:19   and in this and certainly in Casablanca [TS]

00:13:22   it is exaggerated to such a degree [TS]

00:13:24   because it has to be sketchy and and by [TS]

00:13:28   the time by the time he reached in the [TS]

00:13:30   nineteen sixties and he's in films like [TS]

00:13:32   silk stockings it is just full-on hey [TS]

00:13:35   and Peter Louie it's like Bob Dylan was [TS]

00:13:39   inspired by him or that doing as Peter [TS]

00:13:41   Lorre is that imitation right before he [TS]

00:13:43   did american movies he would heated [TS]

00:13:46   musical comedies in Germany like on the [TS]

00:13:49   stage [TS]

00:13:50   he also he also did this is a movie [TS]

00:13:52   that's sitting around on my DVR that I [TS]

00:13:54   haven't gotten around to watching it but [TS]

00:13:55   he's also in the amma where he gets all [TS]

00:13:57   replace a child killer [TS]

00:13:59   yes I want to look into worries if i [TS]

00:14:00   count from that's not creepy doesn't [TS]

00:14:02   talk a lot interesting but just have one [TS]

00:14:04   really good speech my favourite bit from [TS]

00:14:06   him in this movie is the scene where he [TS]

00:14:08   you know pulls the gun on Humphrey [TS]

00:14:10   Bogart ask some Yost and the middle room [TS]

00:14:12   interlace your hands when you search [TS]

00:14:14   your offices and after the whole to do [TS]

00:14:15   after you know how bar knocks him out [TS]

00:14:17   and search him takes all the stuff that [TS]

00:14:19   gets come back immediately [TS]

00:14:21   that's the same thing and yeah I love it [TS]

00:14:23   was good [TS]

00:14:24   why did you risk injury to yourself yeah [TS]

00:14:27   when I take a brief break this episode [TS]

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00:15:55   so i will agree that i like the the [TS]

00:15:57   character actors here I like the [TS]

00:15:59   characters i like the way they act all [TS]

00:16:01   goes together with character actors you [TS]

00:16:02   sure the film overall didn't do a whole [TS]

00:16:05   lot for me [TS]

00:16:06   interesting why well variety of reasons [TS]

00:16:09   you can find your sister nylons i think [TS]

00:16:11   i think i will do miraculous yeah [TS]

00:16:13   alright well from the very start we are [TS]

00:16:15   told that miss wonderly as a knockout [TS]

00:16:16   and I don't agree this is how the mary [TS]

00:16:20   astor cat uh Mary Astor who's a to miss [TS]

00:16:23   wonderly is the the pseudonym she gives [TS]

00:16:25   first of three the internets miss [TS]

00:16:27   wonderly she's actually doesn't do much [TS]

00:16:28   for me no margin O'Shaughnessy know [TS]

00:16:30   she's the worst thing about this movie [TS]

00:16:31   that if there's yes to me one flaw in [TS]

00:16:34   the movies mary astor is terrible in it [TS]

00:16:36   and is not a femme fatale and is not a [TS]

00:16:38   nacho she does some world-class [TS]

00:16:40   fidgeting at least one scene oh so you [TS]

00:16:42   know give her their spade as a character [TS]

00:16:45   I just don't like him he's a smarmy ass [TS]

00:16:47   and I don't really want to root for him [TS]

00:16:48   interested in home and I'm agreeing with [TS]

00:16:51   Stephen extent almost home almost every [TS]

00:16:53   nor has the the lead you know to be a [TS]

00:16:57   bit unlikable but there's usually [TS]

00:16:59   something to help overcome it and and in [TS]

00:17:02   this particular film he's so OneNote [TS]

00:17:03   first first two things that happen with [TS]

00:17:06   that we really get to know Sam Spade [TS]

00:17:07   first off it is a his his partner in [TS]

00:17:11   this detective agency has been shot to [TS]

00:17:13   death he calls he has to break the news [TS]

00:17:16   so he calls his secretary and says that [TS]

00:17:19   he shot dead [TS]

00:17:20   don't get excited excited and keep the [TS]

00:17:22   wife away from me keep her away i love [TS]

00:17:25   that all fri before I have to talk to [TS]

00:17:27   her that's really nice and then and the [TS]

00:17:29   next thing he does is say can we scrape [TS]

00:17:31   his name off the windows and put my name [TS]

00:17:33   up there [TS]

00:17:34   yeah it's not he is not dead 24 hours [TS]

00:17:36   and they are [TS]

00:17:37   my notes read Sam's also kind of allowed [TS]

00:17:39   after the answer you're currently [TS]

00:17:40   writing miles quite allowed [TS]

00:17:43   he also takes every opportunity to take [TS]

00:17:44   people's money literally taking in some [TS]

00:17:46   Kentucky goes to bridges apartment like [TS]

00:17:48   give me all of your money now you can [TS]

00:17:50   walk your jewelry or something i don't [TS]

00:17:51   care but then he gives it back to her [TS]

00:17:53   thats that's a ploy to to see how [TS]

00:17:55   desperate she really is for his help and [TS]

00:17:57   whether she's trying to play them or not [TS]

00:17:58   because she hands him the way he makes [TS]

00:18:00   her hand him the whole $500 then he [TS]

00:18:02   hands her back what looks like about [TS]

00:18:03   half of it [TS]

00:18:04   yeah if you really want to dislike him [TS]

00:18:06   look at his smile is he's punching Joel [TS]

00:18:08   Cairo [TS]

00:18:09   oh yeah he's nearly like punching this [TS]

00:18:11   guy who smells like gardenias you the [TS]

00:18:13   line when you're slapped you'll take it [TS]

00:18:15   and like it I mean please [TS]

00:18:16   and then you know that the the day new [TS]

00:18:18   mom where we're supposed to feel that [TS]

00:18:20   Sam has painted about having to send [TS]

00:18:22   O'Shaughnessy up the river doesn't work [TS]

00:18:24   at all because their look their [TS]

00:18:25   so-called love seem so utterly contrived [TS]

00:18:27   all along i think again that's a fault [TS]

00:18:29   of mary astor not to be too much blame [TS]

00:18:32   us for whatever reason it didn't work at [TS]

00:18:33   all I i blame both of them [TS]

00:18:35   yeah thanks that's entirely possible to [TS]

00:18:36   well and it's some of that is a movie i [TS]

00:18:38   think some of that has to do with the [TS]

00:18:40   the time the movie made in a time like [TS]

00:18:42   your kind of expected like to have these [TS]

00:18:44   leads have some sort of like to have a [TS]

00:18:47   father fell in love at first sight which [TS]

00:18:48   doesn't really make any sense in this [TS]

00:18:50   movie soon a roster from the beginning I [TS]

00:18:53   tried to tell myself back so I watch a [TS]

00:18:54   lot of movies from this era but there [TS]

00:18:56   was just maybe it was just because there [TS]

00:18:58   was no chemistry there but I or maybe it [TS]

00:19:00   was because he was such a jerk all the [TS]

00:19:01   way through [TS]

00:19:02   I couldn't bring myself to believe that [TS]

00:19:03   he had actually fallen in love with her [TS]

00:19:05   I thought he was just playing her this [TS]

00:19:06   whole time and then we get to this last [TS]

00:19:08   scene and and I think that's why I [TS]

00:19:09   didn't like the movie the first time I [TS]

00:19:11   had seen it because because I i just [TS]

00:19:13   didn't buy it all the way through the [TS]

00:19:14   second time I knew he was supposed to be [TS]

00:19:16   in love with her so I was at least able [TS]

00:19:18   to ignore that part of the plot and [TS]

00:19:19   enjoy the character actors but that at i [TS]

00:19:22   still think that the two leads are the [TS]

00:19:24   biggest weak spots for me in this film [TS]

00:19:26   they have zero chemistry that is that is [TS]

00:19:28   for certain what else can I pay you with [TS]

00:19:30   I i do I i do want to defend Humphrey [TS]

00:19:33   Bogart a little bit here and and the [TS]

00:19:35   character of Sam Spade I think he's [TS]

00:19:37   supposed to be kind of unlikable [TS]

00:19:39   oh yeah mission accomplished g here i [TS]

00:19:44   mean this is this is this is my camera [TS]

00:19:46   all over again [TS]

00:19:48   where it's just see the thing with the [TS]

00:19:50   thing with my camera film that we [TS]

00:19:52   watched is he's so over-the-top hamming [TS]

00:19:54   it up as he's being an ass that he [TS]

00:19:57   didn't seem like a legitimate asked me [TS]

00:19:59   in that movie is just like you can [TS]

00:20:01   really take him seriously whereas [TS]

00:20:02   because bogard is good you really get [TS]

00:20:05   the impression that this is an awful [TS]

00:20:06   person you're watching my camera is a [TS]

00:20:08   caricature of an ass Sam Spade is an ass [TS]

00:20:11   right when going back to the books I [TS]

00:20:13   mean my camera is is that next [TS]

00:20:15   generation after Sam Spade and Philip [TS]

00:20:18   Marlowe and all that so he's kind of [TS]

00:20:20   inspired by that and and he's kind of a [TS]

00:20:22   jerk in the books and and spade is very [TS]

00:20:24   much a jerk in the books as MPs oh yeah [TS]

00:20:27   he's more likable as bogert then he is [TS]

00:20:30   just longer a job in there in the book [TS]

00:20:33   out he is not a very pleasant person and [TS]

00:20:36   an dashiell hammett doesn't make any [TS]

00:20:39   pretense that he's supposed to be plus [TS]

00:20:40   yeah it in the book there's a bigger [TS]

00:20:42   deal i think made out of the fact that [TS]

00:20:44   the only reason he's doing any of this [TS]

00:20:46   is because he feels he's supposed to [TS]

00:20:47   because his partner got killed right [TS]

00:20:49   which I like because it's the whole [TS]

00:20:51   thing with like miles was kind of a jerk [TS]

00:20:54   I mean like the whole thing that we [TS]

00:20:56   learned about him you know people like [TS]

00:20:57   was the cop say to him in the first few [TS]

00:20:58   miles and his fault same as anyone I [TS]

00:21:00   guess I must have had his goodbyes to I [TS]

00:21:02   guess so [TS]

00:21:03   yes no no no one says a kind word about [TS]

00:21:06   miles at any point that's mostly it was [TS]

00:21:09   good and Miracle on thirty-fourth Street [TS]

00:21:10   anyone else think it was super can be in [TS]

00:21:12   his wife already had like a morning get [TS]

00:21:14   up the next day like I just added weight [TS]

00:21:16   me just in case I had a good feeling [TS]

00:21:19   about this [TS]

00:21:20   I ended up and really disappointed that [TS]

00:21:22   the that Sam's hubris never really [TS]

00:21:24   caught up with him as his secretary had [TS]

00:21:26   suggested it might at the goal line [TS]

00:21:28   I think that's a very legitimate [TS]

00:21:29   criticism of the movie and maybe that's [TS]

00:21:32   just because that's how things usually [TS]

00:21:33   go in these films that you know that [TS]

00:21:35   with the the jerk character gets his [TS]

00:21:37   comeuppance in some way but if if [TS]

00:21:39   there's a criticism I think of of Bogart [TS]

00:21:41   from from my perspective it's that he's [TS]

00:21:42   still on top of things and and that [TS]

00:21:45   he'ii never really has that moment of a [TS]

00:21:47   panic like oh god all these plates are [TS]

00:21:49   going to topple down on top of me that [TS]

00:21:51   I'm well other than when he gets knocked [TS]

00:21:52   up [TS]

00:21:53   he's like a ferris bueller you want a [TS]

00:21:54   passo Ferris Bueller he's a man of base [TS]

00:21:57   judgment and many resources [TS]

00:21:59   yeah i mean he [TS]

00:22:00   he throws his little fit inside of [TS]

00:22:01   governments sweet but that's better now [TS]

00:22:04   he's got that big smirk on his face yeah [TS]

00:22:05   it's all in one over on him yes want to [TS]

00:22:08   slug him come on i wouldn't recommend it [TS]

00:22:10   i I'm I'm shocked at the at the at the [TS]

00:22:14   bad feelings toward this movie this is [TS]

00:22:16   at various times in my life this has [TS]

00:22:19   been my favorite movie [TS]

00:22:21   they're wrong next [TS]

00:22:26   welcome to the badge as we go into the [TS]

00:22:29   incomparable have been let's do it i [TS]

00:22:31   mean it's not say that the the final [TS]

00:22:34   scene and the speeches where he's [TS]

00:22:37   sending her over [TS]

00:22:38   don't play out well that's that's true [TS]

00:22:40   and one of the problems i think is I [TS]

00:22:44   don't think Bogart knows how spade is [TS]

00:22:47   supposed to feel I don't think he had a [TS]

00:22:49   handle on what the character is supposed [TS]

00:22:51   to feel and I don't think anyone had a [TS]

00:22:53   handle on what spade is supposed to feel [TS]

00:22:56   spade is an impenetrable character [TS]

00:22:58   that's kind of the whole point in the [TS]

00:23:01   book The Maltese Falcon of unusual for a [TS]

00:23:04   detective book especially one written by [TS]

00:23:07   habit is not done in the first person so [TS]

00:23:10   you have no sense of spades in her life [TS]

00:23:12   and kind of the actor's job to fill that [TS]

00:23:14   out [TS]

00:23:14   well yes but if he fills it out then [TS]

00:23:18   he's not Sam Spade anymore and if you [TS]

00:23:21   did watch the 31 version in 1931 date [TS]

00:23:24   which is terrible it is when we're done [TS]

00:23:27   here I want to talk about it exceeded [TS]

00:23:29   it's unbelievably bad are very sexy but [TS]

00:23:33   unbelievably bad arm he treat that actor [TS]

00:23:37   whose name escapes Ricardo something has [TS]

00:23:40   Cortez yes Stanley Cortez's brother are [TS]

00:23:43   he's he tries to give spade some inner [TS]

00:23:48   life it's a bad in her life but it's but [TS]

00:23:50   he tries to give them an inner life it [TS]

00:23:52   doesn't work at all now partly it's [TS]

00:23:54   because the court has not a very good [TS]

00:23:56   actor are you know I the point of Sam [TS]

00:24:00   Spade is that he is impenetrable he has [TS]

00:24:02   this code and that's basically all he is [TS]

00:24:05   that's what makes him a good detective [TS]

00:24:06   that's why he doesn't [TS]

00:24:08   falter except when he takes the spiked [TS]

00:24:11   drink from gutman it's to me the big [TS]

00:24:15   mystery in this movie and the bigness [TS]

00:24:17   what's always been the biggest mystery [TS]

00:24:19   is how did Gladys George get such high [TS]

00:24:22   building she plays iva right and she's [TS]

00:24:25   she's essentially a nonentity she's [TS]

00:24:27   barely and in this movie and I how did [TS]

00:24:31   she get to be with you who was she [TS]

00:24:32   sleeping with to get such a high high [TS]

00:24:36   ranking I was certain at one point that [TS]

00:24:38   she was going to turn up at the end [TS]

00:24:40   cause a series of events unfold and she [TS]

00:24:42   never did that be plot really doesn't go [TS]

00:24:44   anywhere [TS]

00:24:45   no yeah her cut the movie plot in her [TS]

00:24:47   character of the IVA character m-makes [TS]

00:24:51   does more in the book than it does in [TS]

00:24:53   the movie but that's the guy I have no [TS]

00:24:56   idea why she's shit she's just there [TS]

00:24:58   during the third to make a spade look [TS]

00:25:01   like a heel and yeah and have colored [TS]

00:25:03   his relationship with miles [TS]

00:25:05   that's sort of her only reason to exist [TS]

00:25:08   well I think it's that and the fact that [TS]

00:25:10   you've got you've got three women all [TS]

00:25:12   around spade and who are all devoted to [TS]

00:25:14   spade in some way or another and you [TS]

00:25:18   know I've of Bridget and fe and I don't [TS]

00:25:23   know exactly what to think about that [TS]

00:25:24   but I'm sure that theses have been [TS]

00:25:26   written about it it's it's just it's an [TS]

00:25:30   interesting thing how these three women [TS]

00:25:31   all kind of revolve around spade but [TS]

00:25:35   never never get to him i really liked fe [TS]

00:25:38   I mean to perform yes I was kind of form [TS]

00:25:40   on but i love the character i'm always a [TS]

00:25:42   fan of the the the candy girl who gets [TS]

00:25:46   it done and basically keeps the main [TS]

00:25:48   character of float throughout the entire [TS]

00:25:50   movie we just gal Friday you know [TS]

00:25:52   yep well and she's actually proves [TS]

00:25:54   herself i mean i-i thought that the [TS]

00:25:55   scene in particular where she talks [TS]

00:25:56   about going to see miles is wife and she [TS]

00:25:59   sort of deduces that that I've had been [TS]

00:26:01   outright by all these like clues [TS]

00:26:04   what if i told you your precious i left [TS]

00:26:06   had not been in the room but 45 minutes [TS]

00:26:08   yeah that's what she's a smart cookie [TS]

00:26:09   right like she knows what she's doing [TS]

00:26:11   she is not like just there to be the [TS]

00:26:13   help in some ways and I feel like yeah [TS]

00:26:15   she does get that unfortunately she gets [TS]

00:26:17   like a little sideline as business goes [TS]

00:26:18   on but i agree with Erica I think she's [TS]

00:26:20   she's one of the characters are really [TS]

00:26:22   this and I think of the women in this [TS]

00:26:24   probably well as female character that [TS]

00:26:27   is a high bar to clear like her [TS]

00:26:31   expression when she arrives with the [TS]

00:26:32   falken bundle in hand she just has this [TS]

00:26:34   little smile on her face [TS]

00:26:36   here you go drops it off turns I'm sorry [TS]

00:26:39   to ruin your day of rest not the first [TS]

00:26:41   one you've ruined now I'm getting out of [TS]

00:26:43   here before I get dragged into your [TS]

00:26:44   nonsense [TS]

00:26:45   yeah well also don't start Sam I had her [TS]

00:26:48   all night [TS]

00:26:49   yeah I find it very well delivered yeah [TS]

00:26:52   we Patrick doesn't it doesn't excellent [TS]

00:26:54   job playing her [TS]

00:26:56   there's a lot of great just writing in [TS]

00:26:58   Jamie like you know yeah this is lifted [TS]

00:27:00   largely from habit it's almost entirely [TS]

00:27:02   and right yes verbatim right and i think [TS]

00:27:04   you know that the parts where it shines [TS]

00:27:05   to me is the the dialogue about the [TS]

00:27:07   pattern right like because that's that [TS]

00:27:09   is with him it's all about but i do love [TS]

00:27:11   some of the staging of them in [TS]

00:27:12   particular i love there's a scene where [TS]

00:27:14   where Peter Lorre decides to leave the [TS]

00:27:16   apartment is just like oh it's getting [TS]

00:27:18   quite late and images like trails off in [TS]

00:27:21   the middle of the day I'm gonna love [TS]

00:27:23   that saying that is fantastic are not [TS]

00:27:25   going to produce the sense i don't even [TS]

00:27:26   have an excuse I don't even know what [TS]

00:27:28   they're what the rest of that sentence [TS]

00:27:29   was but pretty much anything that Sydney [TS]

00:27:33   Greenstreet says he's hilarious [TS]

00:27:36   yeah I'm awesome I i found myself really [TS]

00:27:38   wanting more [TS]

00:27:41   Lori and more green street and lamenting [TS]

00:27:43   that they don't come into the film until [TS]

00:27:45   later not liking Bogart as much and [TS]

00:27:48   again the you know he's sort of not [TS]

00:27:50   meant to be like to hear but really [TS]

00:27:51   around liking him as much as I thought I [TS]

00:27:53   still I i enjoyed their interactions [TS]

00:27:56   together the green street and and Bogart [TS]

00:27:59   interaction and loriann bogart and when [TS]

00:28:01   they're all together in electric juniors [TS]

00:28:03   there and he's he's it right in front of [TS]

00:28:05   Elijah cook jr. he's explaining how [TS]

00:28:06   they're going to throw him to the wolves [TS]

00:28:07   something I think that's great i like I [TS]

00:28:10   loved all that into twisty I'm not maybe [TS]

00:28:13   film noir is not my thing [TS]

00:28:14   I mean the twisty plot stuff I just was [TS]

00:28:15   like oh you know [TS]

00:28:17   ok more let's throw more in which is [TS]

00:28:19   yeah sure i have no idea it's like they [TS]

00:28:21   put a blindfold on me and spun me around [TS]

00:28:23   like 20 times like all right now watch [TS]

00:28:25   the movies like I have no idea what's [TS]

00:28:26   going on but the i do agree the these [TS]

00:28:29   character actors and the characters are [TS]

00:28:31   playing are very are great that the [TS]

00:28:34   stuff that was my favorite was in [TS]

00:28:35   very specific part in the in the middle [TS]

00:28:38   of the film [TS]

00:28:39   I like I I as we mentioned earlier i [TS]

00:28:41   love that that a chiro tour spade and [TS]

00:28:47   then says come to the center of the room [TS]

00:28:48   which is a really bad playing spades [TS]

00:28:49   just immediately punches him in Texas [TS]

00:28:51   gun and then he gets the gun back and [TS]

00:28:53   does it begin on that bench that was [TS]

00:28:54   laughing out loud that was a really [TS]

00:28:55   funny scene i like the one your slap [TS]

00:28:58   you'll take it and like it feels like it [TS]

00:29:01   could take i like it and i really love i [TS]

00:29:03   really love when he tries to talk to [TS]

00:29:04   cops out of coming into his apartment [TS]

00:29:06   and then there are the shouts and he [TS]

00:29:08   says well I guess you're going in [TS]

00:29:09   yeah you can also just the entire story [TS]

00:29:12   that they can cock there which is almost [TS]

00:29:13   totally ridiculous and they do what they [TS]

00:29:16   allude to that later where kairos is [TS]

00:29:17   like I way I stuck to that story when [TS]

00:29:19   the cops questioned the whole time I [TS]

00:29:20   really wish you'd come up with something [TS]

00:29:22   better and his it's a terrible story [TS]

00:29:24   sound like an idiot he goes to a [TS]

00:29:26   completely different story midway [TS]

00:29:27   through completely changes it because [TS]

00:29:30   the first one isn't going off properly [TS]

00:29:32   sorry they felt like every single D&D [TS]

00:29:33   campaign I've been in persons try to [TS]

00:29:35   talk them out of it sells out of [TS]

00:29:36   something in the realize nope this [TS]

00:29:38   doesn't actually make any sense I'm just [TS]

00:29:39   gonna keep going you keep making [TS]

00:29:41   something up until something sticks out [TS]

00:29:43   of the I hope you know what you're doing [TS]

00:29:44   a crippled newsy took him away from him [TS]

00:29:46   i just got back from that that's gotta [TS]

00:29:48   be a winner for ya [TS]

00:29:50   also you always have a smooth way of [TS]

00:29:52   saying something you want me to do learn [TS]

00:29:55   to stutter and pick up that I like that [TS]

00:29:57   was that was my thought that was my [TS]

00:29:59   favorite i kinda don't want them to be [TS]

00:30:01   AI think the thing I agree with you [TS]

00:30:03   Jason that they are the most kind of the [TS]

00:30:05   most Indian enticing part of the film [TS]

00:30:07   but I also don't want them to get [TS]

00:30:09   arrested at the end too because they're [TS]

00:30:10   off on this quest like oh well this [TS]

00:30:12   didn't work out but we're going to go [TS]

00:30:13   back and we're gonna find the girls at a [TS]

00:30:15   time all it's like the beginning of the [TS]

00:30:17   raiders of the lost ark or something [TS]

00:30:18   right Kasper Gutman and Joel Cairo will [TS]

00:30:20   be back in maltese falcon to the search [TS]

00:30:23   for the Falcon well i just i love the [TS]

00:30:25   chiro is going to be his little sidekick [TS]

00:30:27   created along after well that brings up [TS]

00:30:29   i think the it's pretty clear that Peter [TS]

00:30:33   Lori's character is coded as homosexual [TS]

00:30:36   right and he smells in there p and yeah [TS]

00:30:38   ladies get any more listed in the book [TS]

00:30:41   at the Guardians things just like an [TS]

00:30:42   Egyptian thing or something [TS]

00:30:44   well he hit while he is in brown face so [TS]

00:30:46   you've got that to overlook it [TS]

00:30:48   but can you tell us black and white have [TS]

00:30:51   you seen Peter Lorre another thing is [TS]

00:30:52   that he's a pasty guy always you know [TS]

00:30:55   it's also interesting that I Wilmer is [TS]

00:30:58   called several times described as a gun [TS]

00:31:00   soul which you may assume as the sensor [TS]

00:31:03   did [TS]

00:31:03   güncel means kid with a gun yeah it [TS]

00:31:06   actually means a young man kept for [TS]

00:31:08   homosexual purposes a catamite know [TS]

00:31:11   yep so if you would like to go back and [TS]

00:31:13   look at the seams now I gotta wear [TS]

00:31:16   tonight [TS]

00:31:17   yeah government's relationship to wilmer [TS]

00:31:20   takes on new light when you understand [TS]

00:31:24   what all of these works me also there's [TS]

00:31:25   that exchange between O'Shaughnessy and [TS]

00:31:28   Cairo where he is a play outside well [TS]

00:31:31   you can get around him just like he got [TS]

00:31:33   around that one is temple [TS]

00:31:34   ok that within me that that's the first [TS]

00:31:37   time Joel Cairo gets punched by someone [TS]

00:31:39   other than poker with which is funny [TS]

00:31:41   because at the same time it's the it's [TS]

00:31:43   it that the sort of dropped the casual [TS]

00:31:46   homophobia couple of times where like [TS]

00:31:47   spades getting questioned by the police [TS]

00:31:49   and returns the other conferences what's [TS]

00:31:50   your boyfriend getting at [TS]

00:31:52   yeah because they're not shy about it in [TS]

00:31:54   some cases but we can I you know they do [TS]

00:31:56   sort of danced around it with Kairos [TS]

00:31:57   character it feels like yeah but I I was [TS]

00:32:00   like the Houston made sure that it was [TS]

00:32:02   there even if the sensors didn't catch [TS]

00:32:04   it even if the audience didn't catch it [TS]

00:32:06   it was there and it's you know it's [TS]

00:32:08   pretty faithful to the book that way [TS]

00:32:11   oh yeah all those times we've gotten is [TS]

00:32:13   saying I couldn't be funder of you or [TS]

00:32:15   fewer my own such patent but you go to [TS]

00:32:18   the palace [TS]

00:32:19   anyway i'll get another one but if you [TS]

00:32:20   lose a son you can always get another [TS]

00:32:22   there's always the one in maltese falcon [TS]

00:32:25   I literally in my notes it says i have [TS]

00:32:27   no idea what's happening just like all [TS]

00:32:30   right well but again I just sort of road [TS]

00:32:32   so I mean I didn't I didn't hate this [TS]

00:32:35   movie by any stretch of the imagination [TS]

00:32:36   but you know that the the plot left me [TS]

00:32:39   frustrated and it it felt really slow to [TS]

00:32:42   to warm up and I didn't really enjoy [TS]

00:32:44   Humphrey Bogart very much and I didn't [TS]

00:32:47   believe the relationship at all and so I [TS]

00:32:49   eye out for a few of these movies that [TS]

00:32:51   we watch for the old movie club we get [TS]

00:32:53   to the end and there's a but I love you [TS]

00:32:54   I'm like come on [TS]

00:32:56   no you don't get to just and I guess [TS]

00:32:58   this is just a shorthand of the time [TS]

00:33:00   maybe but it's like I do [TS]

00:33:01   believe it i never saw it i don't [TS]

00:33:03   believe either of these characters has a [TS]

00:33:05   legitimate feeling toward the other at [TS]

00:33:07   all they're both just in it for the for [TS]

00:33:10   the money or the revenge or whatever so [TS]

00:33:13   that that was a that was a problem you [TS]

00:33:14   know Jason if you go back and watch it a [TS]

00:33:16   couple years later I would be interested [TS]

00:33:17   to see if you because I that's exactly [TS]

00:33:20   how I felt after the first time I saw it [TS]

00:33:21   and I liked it a lot more simply i think [TS]

00:33:24   I was really intrigued by the plot i was [TS]

00:33:26   you know what [TS]

00:33:27   not literally but on the edge of my seat [TS]

00:33:29   is really excited because I didn't [TS]

00:33:31   remember exactly how it played out [TS]

00:33:32   because there's so many twists and turns [TS]

00:33:33   of course I wasn't going to remember so [TS]

00:33:35   I was excited to find out where it went [TS]

00:33:38   so at least I had that you are [TS]

00:33:40   definitely rewards multiple really [TS]

00:33:41   watches we're hungry upset watches you [TS]

00:33:43   pick up a little more of the plot but [TS]

00:33:45   you have the plot twists the evil [TS]

00:33:47   imagination mr. yeah and I don't it's [TS]

00:33:49   either kind of dig the mythology of the [TS]

00:33:50   plot in terms of the whole setup with [TS]

00:33:52   the you know the the Knights Templar as [TS]

00:33:54   in here historically inaccurate as many [TS]

00:33:56   parts of it are but I was on the last [TS]

00:33:58   crusade biting school yeah and i think [TS]

00:34:00   the end of it too is the is the part [TS]

00:34:02   that most people probably remember even [TS]

00:34:04   if you don't remember the rest of the [TS]

00:34:04   film is the fact that it turns out to be [TS]

00:34:06   a fake right you know and so in them in [TS]

00:34:08   essence the plot doesn't matter because [TS]

00:34:10   everybody's been fighting and arguing [TS]

00:34:11   over this thing that is worthless and so [TS]

00:34:14   I think that's you know government and [TS]

00:34:16   the exact sense yeah exactly ultimate [TS]

00:34:18   MacGuffin yeah and so in that case I [TS]

00:34:21   think that's the guy I don't know III [TS]

00:34:23   and I don't have a great i agree with [TS]

00:34:26   Steve that after you watch it a few [TS]

00:34:27   times like the plot does start to hang [TS]

00:34:29   together a little bit better put the [TS]

00:34:30   same time it's not what makes this film [TS]

00:34:32   stand out to me I i would also say that [TS]

00:34:35   may be the end of the movie is a little [TS]

00:34:38   bit of john huston's fault i I've never [TS]

00:34:41   found him to be the moat the warmest or [TS]

00:34:43   or most humane director I i was going to [TS]

00:34:47   say I've been maybe have been spoiled by [TS]

00:34:49   the likes of Hitchcock and Kubrick in [TS]

00:34:50   the north at we've watched the Houstons [TS]

00:34:52   direction here is really pedestrian yeah [TS]

00:34:54   yeah he is not that I'm i pulled up his [TS]

00:34:57   filmography on on IMDb and not i'm [TS]

00:35:02   having a hard time finding movies of his [TS]

00:35:04   that I i really go for I like the [TS]

00:35:07   asphalt jungle I think that's a that's a [TS]

00:35:09   good one and the treasures here moderate [TS]

00:35:11   treasure this treasure Sierra Madres [TS]

00:35:13   cookie [TS]

00:35:13   yours good key largo is good but in [TS]

00:35:16   defense of his direction in this movie I [TS]

00:35:17   the moment when Wilmer wakes backup and [TS]

00:35:21   yes even shot a glooming oh yeah those [TS]

00:35:24   are great that's a great one also i [TS]

00:35:25   noticed that if you when you watch it [TS]

00:35:26   again like the the reference with which [TS]

00:35:28   the camera treats the falken is kind of [TS]

00:35:31   great because every time it's in the [TS]

00:35:32   scene its kind of the center of the [TS]

00:35:34   action like the bundle and the falken [TS]

00:35:36   all that he does a great job of that [TS]

00:35:37   there's a couple other little shots two [TS]

00:35:39   in particular the the shower bogar [TS]

00:35:41   answers the phone and its government on [TS]

00:35:43   the other end there's a nice little zoom [TS]

00:35:45   in and broker yeah sort of perks up [TS]

00:35:47   there so that I agree that you know a [TS]

00:35:48   lot of it does seem kind of pedestrian [TS]

00:35:50   but there are a few little standout [TS]

00:35:51   moments here and there where he does [TS]

00:35:53   when he takes more risks the stuff ends [TS]

00:35:56   up paying off a little better and I feel [TS]

00:35:57   like me if there's anything he didn't [TS]

00:35:59   doesn't take enough risks here and there [TS]

00:36:01   are some subtle things too like you get [TS]

00:36:02   no but my camera was the very first team [TS]

00:36:04   with Peter Lorre we have a really nice [TS]

00:36:06   low angle looking up Peter Lorre because [TS]

00:36:08   he's got the upper hand in that [TS]

00:36:09   conversation and all the shots of bogey [TS]

00:36:11   are pretty much straight on and you get [TS]

00:36:13   that kind of recurring throughout the [TS]

00:36:14   film when you get those scenes with with [TS]

00:36:16   multiple people in them talking to each [TS]

00:36:18   other [TS]

00:36:19   the camera is not it's not a POV from [TS]

00:36:21   the other people in the room [TS]

00:36:23   it's kind of a very subtle you know tilt [TS]

00:36:26   in one direction or the other depending [TS]

00:36:27   on who has the upper hand in that [TS]

00:36:29   conversation I'm just used to know are [TS]

00:36:31   being full of a lot of a lot of shadow [TS]

00:36:33   play and the camera almost being like a [TS]

00:36:37   secondary character like a narrator kind [TS]

00:36:39   of poking you go and look at this look [TS]

00:36:40   the Rope is hanging out of the thing and [TS]

00:36:42   and there's just none of that in here [TS]

00:36:44   maybe that maybe my expectations were [TS]

00:36:45   set incorrectly but really the only [TS]

00:36:47   place where that happens here is right [TS]

00:36:49   at the beginning where you know miles [TS]

00:36:51   and spay or Archer and spade is [TS]

00:36:53   projected all over the office from their [TS]

00:36:55   windows later Samuel spade though [TS]

00:36:57   they're into there are two things i [TS]

00:36:59   think that contribute to that the you [TS]

00:37:01   before they shot a single frame he wrote [TS]

00:37:05   out a very detailed script with every [TS]

00:37:07   shot in the script and he gave that to [TS]

00:37:09   the actors so that they would go and [TS]

00:37:11   rehearse without him and he might find [TS]

00:37:14   tune stuff that they were doing on the [TS]

00:37:16   set but for the most part they're kind [TS]

00:37:18   of doing it by themselves and he didn't [TS]

00:37:21   want to deviate from any of the things [TS]

00:37:22   he had planned out [TS]

00:37:23   of time how much is that as a first-time [TS]

00:37:25   director exactly [TS]

00:37:27   yeah exactly the other thing is they [TS]

00:37:30   shot the entire movie in sequence which [TS]

00:37:32   you almost never do [TS]

00:37:33   oh wow so you can see as the film goes [TS]

00:37:37   on the shots get better and and the [TS]

00:37:39   characters get a little more interesting [TS]

00:37:40   and took like two and a half weeks to do [TS]

00:37:43   there's another john huston movie that I [TS]

00:37:45   watched like a lot of last year it's a [TS]

00:37:48   with Humphrey Bogart and Peter Lorre [TS]

00:37:49   it's called beat the devil [TS]

00:37:51   that's good that's one of my dad's [TS]

00:37:53   favorite oh I I didn't like it at all [TS]

00:37:55   uh-huh I'm with you on that yeah the [TS]

00:37:57   only part I like this there's a shot [TS]

00:37:59   with with Gina will look Lola bridge' [TS]

00:38:02   that's easy for me to say attention and [TS]

00:38:04   she is framed like the prow of a ship [TS]

00:38:05   and in the background jennifer jones is [TS]

00:38:07   doing stretches that's a good shot but [TS]

00:38:10   the rest of the movie is just garbage [TS]

00:38:12   and haha plus them being funny and [TS]

00:38:16   self-indulgent yeah I I think that's [TS]

00:38:19   just a that's a drunken romp by the by [TS]

00:38:21   the cast and crew exact that was [TS]

00:38:23   intended to be a serious movie [TS]

00:38:25   no it was not i was going to agree with [TS]

00:38:27   Erica about the first scene between [TS]

00:38:29   spade and in Cairo is it's not flashing [TS]

00:38:35   a shot but it is very well shot as you [TS]

00:38:40   move back and forth between the two of [TS]

00:38:43   where the camera is yes he's letting the [TS]

00:38:46   actors go and especially Peter Lorre and [TS]

00:38:48   I think one of the things about Humphrey [TS]

00:38:50   Bogart's performance in this movie is [TS]

00:38:52   that he's being very generous uh too [TS]

00:38:55   especially Peter Lorre Peter Lorre [TS]

00:38:57   steals every scene in this movie [TS]

00:38:59   yes I I mean he's just the only oddities [TS]

00:39:03   it won't everything's odd but the only [TS]

00:39:05   things that seem false is a when Bogart [TS]

00:39:09   punches him and he flies through the air [TS]

00:39:11   into the couch and then uh and then when [TS]

00:39:15   he cries after this is doing the UU [TS]

00:39:18   bloated idiot you imbecile that those [TS]

00:39:21   don't come off quite as well as [TS]

00:39:24   everything else in the movie but he [TS]

00:39:25   steals like you know when he goes out [TS]

00:39:28   when the police are there he says well [TS]

00:39:29   it's getting very late may just have to [TS]

00:39:31   know [TS]

00:39:31   many it it's just beautiful yeah you [TS]

00:39:34   know our conversations are not such that [TS]

00:39:36   I i want to continue down this isn't it [TS]

00:39:39   wonderful how he plays with his cane uh [TS]

00:39:42   it's all that one of the canyon which is [TS]

00:39:46   which is all children which is also this [TS]

00:39:47   can obviously another you know [TS]

00:39:49   homosexual the single reason which which [TS]

00:39:53   is all you need to do in in a code in [TS]

00:39:56   1941 movie [TS]

00:39:57   yeah that men and things that smell like [TS]

00:40:00   gardenias about the little piano trail [TS]

00:40:04   that they play whenever they catch a [TS]

00:40:06   whiff of the Guardian gets the boot that [TS]

00:40:11   is one thing i don't know it [TS]

00:40:12   this I don't think I noticed this in [TS]

00:40:15   many of my earlier viewings but in the [TS]

00:40:18   most in the recent viewings i did before [TS]

00:40:19   before the podcast the incidental music [TS]

00:40:22   in this movie sounds kind of like a 50 [TS]

00:40:26   sitcom there's all there's a lot of [TS]

00:40:29   nudity [TS]

00:40:30   it's like the beaver in dramatic scenes [TS]

00:40:34   not just not just in scenes that are [TS]

00:40:35   meant to be comedic he alludes Elijah [TS]

00:40:38   cookie he like bitches and there's this [TS]

00:40:40   sort of what why the families is a tense [TS]

00:40:45   moment I didn't have all the fillmore [TS]

00:40:48   stuff worked out like you know well no [TS]

00:40:50   it's that is the dog I mean of of all [TS]

00:40:53   the the classic archetypal p eyes you [TS]

00:40:57   know I mean I i read all of Hamet I read [TS]

00:40:59   all of Chandler I read them young read [TS]

00:41:02   them before so the movies which helps [TS]

00:41:04   making sense of the plot and and i gotta [TS]

00:41:08   say you know as much as i enjoy [TS]

00:41:09   Hammett's style I always enjoyed [TS]

00:41:12   chandler and Philip Marlowe much more [TS]

00:41:15   than I enjoyed Sam Spade Chandler maybe [TS]

00:41:17   a better idea has a really good writer [TS]

00:41:19   but Chandler maybe even better i think [TS]

00:41:21   is a better big habits i got a big water [TS]

00:41:24   visit the big sleep is a better movie i [TS]

00:41:26   would argue if we're going to complain [TS]

00:41:28   about not following this plot you can't [TS]

00:41:30   throw the big step [TS]

00:41:32   me that part makes no sense but i love [TS]

00:41:33   that movie mine did you want to talk [TS]

00:41:35   about the 1931 maltese falcon you may [TS]

00:41:37   have you want to be really quick [TS]

00:41:39   there are two other adaptations of this [TS]

00:41:41   book one is called Satan metal ladies [TS]

00:41:44   from 1836 it's a comedy and it starts [TS]

00:41:46   Betty Davis and pull and it's weird [TS]

00:41:49   yeah it's before Betty Davis had evolved [TS]

00:41:51   into the Betty Davis characters they [TS]

00:41:53   were making her be like an arginine [TS]

00:41:54   things and the 1931 version has really [TS]

00:41:58   good actors in the smaller roles got [TS]

00:42:00   Dwight Frye as Wilmer he is Renfield [TS]

00:42:03   from the Bela Lugosi Dracula house was [TS]

00:42:05   gonna Merkel and thelma todd in it in [TS]

00:42:07   tiny tiny rolls my basic problem with it [TS]

00:42:10   is that right at the beginning of the [TS]

00:42:12   movie right after state says I don't [TS]

00:42:14   feel like looking at my mother's body [TS]

00:42:15   talk to a chinese guy and then at the [TS]

00:42:18   end of the movie you see a little [TS]

00:42:20   newspaper clipping on screen that says [TS]

00:42:22   it's Samuel spade private detective [TS]

00:42:24   causes sensation at the trial when he [TS]

00:42:26   produced leave who got chinese version [TS]

00:42:28   the only eyewitness the archer killing [TS]

00:42:29   who positively identified miss wonderly [TS]

00:42:32   as the murderous which means that in [TS]

00:42:34   this adaptation Sam Spade knows the [TS]

00:42:37   entire movie who did it and i think [TS]

00:42:40   really changes the dynamics [TS]

00:42:43   yeah well given how omniscient he is in [TS]

00:42:46   this it seems likely that he may have [TS]

00:42:48   known throughout this film's well well [TS]

00:42:50   you sure you suspect it yeah I certainly [TS]

00:42:52   suspects [TS]

00:42:53   yeah in this movie there's the question [TS]

00:42:55   did he know does he care about her but [TS]

00:42:58   it in the nineteen thirty-one one he [TS]

00:43:01   knows all along and it's just not as [TS]

00:43:03   good a movie he winds up being even more [TS]

00:43:04   of a jerk i do i do like that that while [TS]

00:43:06   spade is punching Joel Cairo out and [TS]

00:43:09   clearly relishing it that he does it all [TS]

00:43:11   while puffing away at his freshly rolled [TS]

00:43:13   smoking oh yeah that's the man's man [TS]

00:43:15   sorry can you not admire that you people [TS]

00:43:18   who don't like Sam Spade haha i do want [TS]

00:43:22   to say every time i i i i picked movies [TS]

00:43:25   I it it's my great hope that you you all [TS]

00:43:28   enjoy them I don't do this two different [TS]

00:43:30   technical it new or is that maybe jason [TS]

00:43:33   has other methods of doing that it's not [TS]

00:43:35   like 1776 or anything but that this is [TS]

00:43:38   the first time I've actually been [TS]

00:43:39   depressed that people that people don't [TS]

00:43:42   like didn't didn't enjoy the maltese [TS]

00:43:44   falcon way I [TS]

00:43:45   do dislike is a strong word out did i i [TS]

00:43:49   i i i wouldn't say this is that my [TS]

00:43:52   favorite movie ever even in the top ten [TS]

00:43:54   but boy I every time it's on [TS]

00:43:56   I yep end up watching up so it's in my [TS]

00:43:59   top 25 [TS]

00:44:00   yeah I'd say that's fair sponsor break [TS]

00:44:03   time I want to tell you about who should [TS]

00:44:05   be handling your email and the answers [TS]

00:44:07   nerds email nerds people who do nothing [TS]

00:44:09   but email and by that i mean the people [TS]

00:44:12   at mail route I've told you about the [TS]

00:44:14   before mail route these are the people [TS]

00:44:16   who created the first cloud-based email [TS]

00:44:18   filtering system they sold that to [TS]

00:44:20   Microsoft but they're back the email [TS]

00:44:22   nerds have returned like the return of [TS]

00:44:24   the jedi they've got innovative and [TS]

00:44:27   effective spam and virus filtering it's [TS]

00:44:30   a world without spam or viruses are [TS]

00:44:32   bounced email here's how it works mail [TS]

00:44:34   route is a service that lives in the [TS]

00:44:36   cloud you don't have to maintain any [TS]

00:44:37   hardware software they do all that for [TS]

00:44:39   you all you do is point your mail from [TS]

00:44:42   your domain at route server so instead [TS]

00:44:45   of all the mail addressed to you coming [TS]

00:44:47   to your server your server load [TS]

00:44:48   decreases dramatically because all the [TS]

00:44:51   spammers who are trying to hit your [TS]

00:44:53   server and send you spam and sending it [TS]

00:44:55   all sorts of randomly guest email [TS]

00:44:57   addresses you never see them that all [TS]

00:44:59   goes to mail route mail route knows [TS]

00:45:01   what's good and what's bad it denies the [TS]

00:45:02   bad stuff it put stuff the bad stuff in [TS]

00:45:05   a box somewhere that you can look in if [TS]

00:45:07   you need to you can retrieve stuff with [TS]

00:45:09   one click you can whitelist centers so [TS]

00:45:11   that they never get filtered to spam but [TS]

00:45:13   otherwise the good male just comes to [TS]

00:45:15   your server your services only good male [TS]

00:45:17   it's easy to setup reliable trusted by [TS]

00:45:19   large universities and corporations [TS]

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00:45:26   professionals have got all the tools in [TS]

00:45:27   mind there's an API for account [TS]

00:45:29   management and support for all of the [TS]

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00:45:37   a little bangbang outbound relay [TS]

00:45:40   everything you could want from the [TS]

00:45:41   people who handle your mail these are [TS]

00:45:43   the email nerds they sit around thinking [TS]

00:45:46   about how to make email as trouble-free [TS]

00:45:48   as possible this is all they do so [TS]

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00:46:08   have an entire half a podcast to go and [TS]

00:46:10   i'm kind of sad [TS]

00:46:11   Phil if you're feeling unhappy why not [TS]

00:46:13   just take a few drinks for the next year [TS]

00:46:15   we're heading now [TS]

00:46:19   line them up that's why he's depressed [TS]

00:46:20   too so I think we've transitioned to the [TS]

00:46:25   thin man now happening i think maybe we [TS]

00:46:27   have ok that the years 1934 the movie [TS]

00:46:31   The Thin Man both in by and if you want [TS]

00:46:34   to talk about a movie that was shot in [TS]

00:46:35   two weeks this was shot no leaks this [TS]

00:46:37   was a b-movie this was this was ok the [TS]

00:46:40   the director of WS vandyke was basically [TS]

00:46:43   known for okay move them on we got [TS]

00:46:45   twenty more of these to do today and so [TS]

00:46:48   his nickname was one shot woody yeah [TS]

00:46:50   yeah that's my nickname different [TS]

00:46:56   different internet porn stage name one [TS]

00:46:59   shot would be so that's what that man is [TS]

00:47:03   the story of Nicanor Charles who if you [TS]

00:47:07   if you were first introduced to them by [TS]

00:47:09   the parody characters in Neil Simon's [TS]

00:47:11   murder by death they are nothing like [TS]

00:47:14   those people know Nick Charles is a [TS]

00:47:17   former detective who who married a [TS]

00:47:20   society lady and became basically a [TS]

00:47:23   drunken layabout and you know just being [TS]

00:47:26   drunk now he's a layabout and they're [TS]

00:47:28   back in New York after spending some [TS]

00:47:30   time out on the coast and there is a [TS]

00:47:33   mystery to solve [TS]

00:47:34   let me tell you a little bit about this [TS]

00:47:36   mystery as much as I dare to do this [TS]

00:47:38   better make sense [TS]

00:47:39   no it will not make sense that's what i [TS]

00:47:42   was able to follow XFX really works [TS]

00:47:45   well shocks maybe maybe maybe you should [TS]

00:47:47   summarize it is this 1i was that for i [TS]

00:47:50   was able to follow and in fact also cook [TS]

00:47:52   was able to prefigure the entire thing [TS]

00:47:54   but yes i was able to follow it helps to [TS]

00:47:57   watch it sober [TS]

00:47:58   I I deposit and explain it to Lauren at [TS]

00:48:00   one point she's like what's going on I [TS]

00:48:01   was like well I can tell you and you [TS]

00:48:04   know I detail the whole thing just ago I [TS]

00:48:06   like yeah I somehow absorbed this 1i way [TS]

00:48:08   to test you then who is the thin man [TS]

00:48:11   within the thin man and isn't is a wine [TS]

00:48:13   at the one man yeah man it's also very [TS]

00:48:16   angry and and when he wants to go away [TS]

00:48:19   he said I'm gonna go away but i'm not [TS]

00:48:20   telling anyone where I'm going but I'll [TS]

00:48:22   be after four months but Dad I'm getting [TS]

00:48:24   married no I'm not going to tell you [TS]

00:48:26   where I'm going to put those bonds ed so [TS]

00:48:31   I as I was watching the first 10 minutes [TS]

00:48:33   of the Thin Man which just not feature [TS]

00:48:35   william powell it anyway maybe not read [TS]

00:48:38   machine shop guy although it does it [TS]

00:48:40   does feature the revelation that science [TS]

00:48:42   is done by waving a box with vacuum to [TS]

00:48:44   you is an important invention Steve but [TS]

00:48:48   i'm going to make the war before the [TS]

00:48:50   most important part of sciences you must [TS]

00:48:52   have a spotlight position just so so [TS]

00:48:55   your shadow is projected onto the back [TS]

00:48:56   home as part of that was an important [TS]

00:48:58   part of the smelting process okay i [TS]

00:49:01   think we are confusing our listeners and [TS]

00:49:02   i would like to dial it back a bit to [TS]

00:49:05   the actual story we meet professor wine [TS]

00:49:08   it who is a thin angry awful and who [TS]

00:49:12   yells at people and and it's just the [TS]

00:49:15   wacky inventor and he has apparently i [TS]

00:49:18   guess you'd be honest the dudes not [TS]

00:49:19   really all that thing he's just old [TS]

00:49:21   well he's he staged compared to everyone [TS]

00:49:23   else everything is a terrible name for a [TS]

00:49:25   move easy [TS]

00:49:26   yeah easy he's not Sydney Greenstreet [TS]

00:49:28   come on know where the Thin Man refers [TS]

00:49:30   to his corpse after ACL it tonight our [TS]

00:49:34   definitely getting LOL everyone and [TS]

00:49:36   everyone's a thin man in this movie [TS]

00:49:37   yeah then the title would be many [TS]

00:49:39   skeletons look the same as for that was [TS]

00:49:41   the original title all skeletons with [TS]

00:49:43   the same [TS]

00:49:43   yes well I continued managed to know [TS]

00:49:47   anyhow [TS]

00:49:48   yeah he's a terrible what we learned [TS]

00:49:51   quickly that he has a daughter who loves [TS]

00:49:52   him and he kind of likes the daughter he [TS]

00:49:54   has an ex-wife who just not love him and [TS]

00:49:56   he does not [TS]

00:49:57   like the ex-wife he has a former [TS]

00:50:00   secretary who is now his I guess [TS]

00:50:02   girlfriend who pencil there they're not [TS]

00:50:05   they're here they're not terribly fun [TS]

00:50:07   out of my other and he is going away [TS]

00:50:09   from over several months and will not [TS]

00:50:11   tell anyone where he is going not even [TS]

00:50:13   his attorney for his daughter or his [TS]

00:50:16   daughter almost gonna miss her wedding [TS]

00:50:18   yeah but he'll be back in time for the [TS]

00:50:21   wedding except teehee three months later [TS]

00:50:23   he's no one has heard from him [TS]

00:50:25   really and that's when we meet Nick and [TS]

00:50:28   Nora Charles and the daughter basically [TS]

00:50:30   brings them into try and help find out [TS]

00:50:34   where the old man is gone and that the [TS]

00:50:37   answer turns out to be to the choir [TS]

00:50:38   invisible but again I'm getting ahead of [TS]

00:50:40   myself there are lots of bodies start [TS]

00:50:44   dropping and everyone assumes that it's [TS]

00:50:46   the the angry professor killing his his [TS]

00:50:49   girlfriend's rational Russ kills [TS]

00:50:51   everybody disappears and then kills [TS]

00:50:53   everyone yeah there are like two [TS]

00:50:57   different stereo typical Italian [TS]

00:50:58   mobsters and one of them gets it and and [TS]

00:51:02   finally Nick investigates the case he's [TS]

00:51:05   brought into it he drinks continuously [TS]

00:51:08   throughout the movie [TS]

00:51:09   yes does his well as this is offered at [TS]

00:51:11   one point yeah and that's how you know [TS]

00:51:14   he's getting serious [TS]

00:51:15   eventually he he solves the plot and [TS]

00:51:18   caused everyone to the accusing parlor [TS]

00:51:20   her for a little bit of a party a party [TS]

00:51:24   didn't already have a party in which he [TS]

00:51:27   breaks down basically whodunit and I [TS]

00:51:30   just want to say I've seen this movie [TS]

00:51:32   four five maybe six times and each time [TS]

00:51:35   I forget who did it and I've always [TS]

00:51:37   surprised by I always think it's that [TS]

00:51:42   kid the Sun with the cycle [TS]

00:51:45   diversification Gilbert that crazy crazy [TS]

00:51:47   son happy Cesar Romero he's gonna know [TS]

00:51:50   it's not Cesar Romero you idiot [TS]

00:51:53   the secret is it changes every time yeah [TS]

00:51:55   just haven't noticed because that's what [TS]

00:51:57   Cesar Romero playing tanner is Chris [TS]

00:52:00   yeah no resources presidential race 11 [TS]

00:52:02   yeah he's already married to a another [TS]

00:52:05   lady quite frankly is my favorite [TS]

00:52:07   character in this movie outside of nick [TS]

00:52:09   and nora is cesar romero [TS]

00:52:11   and just the way someone suggested he [TS]

00:52:13   gets a job and the baleful look he gives [TS]

00:52:15   that is because he believes that he [TS]

00:52:18   wordlessly walks out of the room doesn't [TS]

00:52:21   have a lot of dialogue but man he [TS]

00:52:23   executes oh man that is that is great [TS]

00:52:25   anyhow as you can tell I can't make [TS]

00:52:28   heads or tails out of this plot mostly [TS]

00:52:31   the movie exists for William palette [TS]

00:52:33   Myrna Loy to say witty things to each [TS]

00:52:35   other and in that the movie delivers in [TS]

00:52:38   in spades [TS]

00:52:39   they every moment there on the screen is [TS]

00:52:42   a joy every interaction they have with [TS]

00:52:44   each other is a joy the first 10 minutes [TS]

00:52:47   where they are not anywhere to be seen [TS]

00:52:48   is not good is not good and I thought [TS]

00:52:51   your way people are going to turn off [TS]

00:52:53   this movie and murder me every part of [TS]

00:52:56   the problem isn't the end and the other [TS]

00:52:57   chump her husband her husband-to-be rise [TS]

00:53:01   spy simple yeah jamie is doing is he [TS]

00:53:05   doing like a cut-rate Jimmy stored [TS]

00:53:06   impression through this entire movie [TS]

00:53:08   it's funny you should say that since [TS]

00:53:09   Jimmy's business in the is in the sequel [TS]

00:53:12   I just gotta Zeppo Marx feel out of him [TS]

00:53:14   to be on a man he listened it was a [TS]

00:53:16   richness of the foam our hardest thing [TS]

00:53:19   you've ever said there is no go back at [TS]

00:53:21   some point go back and listen to his [TS]

00:53:23   dialogue delivery just because like my [TS]

00:53:24   nigga I think he's swell also is where [TS]

00:53:30   you're going the old man i'm crazy about [TS]

00:53:32   you a darte perhaps Jimmy Stewart is [TS]

00:53:35   doing an impression of this guy just [TS]

00:53:37   asked with a better that you have [TS]

00:53:38   backwards that's what I want to remember [TS]

00:53:40   they only had sound for seven years and [TS]

00:53:42   film by this point it's so everybody [TS]

00:53:45   sounded like you was running like that [TS]

00:53:47   my favorite is Julia who you know you [TS]

00:53:49   can't trust because a woman who cannot [TS]

00:53:50   pronounce the word you should never be [TS]

00:53:52   trusted [TS]

00:53:53   what are y'all going to do it's one [TS]

00:53:57   solid also i enjoyed yes I enjoyed the [TS]

00:53:58   later on pronunciation of suspects the [TS]

00:54:01   snacks back-walking backs [TS]

00:54:04   yeah everybody agreed on that in this [TS]

00:54:05   movie is well pronouncing the verb [TS]

00:54:07   instead of the noun [TS]

00:54:08   well you know my father was a [TS]

00:54:10   sexagenarian know [TS]

00:54:11   is that what that means also hid the [TS]

00:54:15   fact that the the cop the lieutenant is [TS]

00:54:17   looks like a dead ringer for josh brolin [TS]

00:54:20   got that whole like we're too haha thing [TS]

00:54:22   going on leave my wife and I Lisa [TS]

00:54:25   Schmeisser of other podcast we liked him [TS]

00:54:28   we liked to sit around and recast old [TS]

00:54:30   movies when we watch them and she said [TS]

00:54:32   well obviously josh brolin yeah [TS]

00:54:35   also my favorite bit of this entire [TS]

00:54:37   movie is at the end where he reveals [TS]

00:54:39   that that my name is dead daughter [TS]

00:54:42   freaks out this is at the dinner party [TS]

00:54:44   and he says it's terrible i have to tell [TS]

00:54:46   you this way like you set this all up [TS]

00:54:48   you couldn't hold her any other way [TS]

00:54:49   doesn't care he's so loaded i know i [TS]

00:54:53   love i agree with feel that there were [TS]

00:54:54   in power mirror lawyer the entire reason [TS]

00:54:56   for well yeah over here and there is no [TS]

00:54:58   other reason to watch this movie [TS]

00:54:59   wrong wrong wrong you guys have theirs [TS]

00:55:01   but they also have a dog okay there is [TS]

00:55:04   one of the reason and him that reason is [TS]

00:55:06   asta as a matter of fact that was pretty [TS]

00:55:08   much the only part of this movie that [TS]

00:55:09   Stephen my husband paid attention who i [TS]

00:55:11   was when i was watching it and then we [TS]

00:55:13   watched we watch The Maltese Falcon [TS]

00:55:15   afterwards several days later and he was [TS]

00:55:19   sort of watching the credits out of the [TS]

00:55:21   corner of his eye and he saw Mary asters [TS]

00:55:23   name and got really excited for a second [TS]

00:55:24   about the dog with map that's right i [TS]

00:55:27   enjoy throughout this film be the dog [TS]

00:55:30   cutaways that happened quick and a dog [TS]

00:55:33   doggy a balloon at mascus is utterly [TS]

00:55:36   delighted 1934 they were ridiculously [TS]

00:55:38   clichéd and tired either two dogs were [TS]

00:55:40   new in 1934 the dog bits were [TS]

00:55:43   interesting in that when he's so when [TS]

00:55:45   when he goes to the the dr e or the [TS]

00:55:48   smelting whatever it is and figures out [TS]

00:55:51   immediately what he already knows [TS]

00:55:52   because it's really obvious that the guy [TS]

00:55:54   never made it to his mystery vacation [TS]

00:55:58   what I like about it is that instead of [TS]

00:55:59   having that moment where the dog like [TS]

00:56:01   does trained dog things [TS]

00:56:03   the dog is just like in the way and yeah [TS]

00:56:05   it's like moving the dog and pick the [TS]

00:56:07   dog up and I like that because it was [TS]

00:56:08   like it an untrained dog like an actual [TS]

00:56:10   like a real dog yeah there's a few times [TS]

00:56:12   with the movie sort of head fakes [TS]

00:56:15   towards a clichéd situation like nick [TS]

00:56:17   is alone in a room with a pretty rural [TS]

00:56:19   Nora looks in and obviously is not [TS]

00:56:23   jealous she knows they're the perfect [TS]

00:56:24   cup [TS]

00:56:24   all there's nothing going on here I i [TS]

00:56:26   noticed that too that's actually a good [TS]

00:56:27   i could easily been like a very like a [TS]

00:56:30   setup as a jealousy scene and was not [TS]

00:56:32   which is great [TS]

00:56:33   yeah we've seen that a million times one [TS]

00:56:35   of the nice things about the first thing [TS]

00:56:37   man film because there were there are [TS]

00:56:38   five more [TS]

00:56:39   there are many more yes of vary in [TS]

00:56:41   quality yeah steadily declining but this [TS]

00:56:45   is the only one that was written and [TS]

00:56:47   released before the Hollywood code and I [TS]

00:56:50   know there's a little more maturity to [TS]

00:56:51   the relationships and there's a little [TS]

00:56:53   more you know a long run during divorce [TS]

00:56:55   have some great great double entendre he [TS]

00:56:58   saw it all [TS]

00:56:59   yeah haven't heard of the Sullivan act [TS]

00:57:02   oh that's all right we're married yeah [TS]

00:57:03   it says here you were shot five times [TS]

00:57:07   the tabloids he never came near my [TS]

00:57:09   tabloids thats related to come anywhere [TS]

00:57:11   near my tablet there are laughs I mean [TS]

00:57:14   you know for a movie that is what like [TS]

00:57:16   80 years old there are laugh-out-loud [TS]

00:57:18   lines in this movie that are still [TS]

00:57:20   incredibly well-written and very clever [TS]

00:57:22   I mean it's it won't surprise anyone [TS]

00:57:23   this is in my top 10 may be in my top [TS]

00:57:26   five [TS]

00:57:27   i love i love the movie because of their [TS]

00:57:30   relationship in the banter and the [TS]

00:57:32   chemistry is fantastic chemistry is [TS]

00:57:34   fantastic and it you know again amazing [TS]

00:57:37   to think the studio didn't want either [TS]

00:57:39   one of them they thought she was too [TS]

00:57:41   much of an oriental beauty and they [TS]

00:57:45   didn't think they thought William Powell [TS]

00:57:47   was too refined he could also a oriental [TS]

00:57:49   dirty but yes he has an oriental beauty [TS]

00:57:51   but yeah they didn't think he could play [TS]

00:57:54   a sardonic and rye and they just thought [TS]

00:57:58   he was too nice and it's like oh my god [TS]

00:58:00   they're the perfect casting for this and [TS]

00:58:03   which is funny because this became his [TS]

00:58:05   screen persona where its radar Donna can [TS]

00:58:07   dry evenin mr. Roberts this is basically [TS]

00:58:11   what if we took the Thin Man itself to [TS]

00:58:13   World War two [TS]

00:58:14   I just love the entire concept of days [TS]

00:58:17   detective agency [TS]

00:58:18   oh yeah not such a great setup i love [TS]

00:58:21   the fact that instead of being you know [TS]

00:58:23   hard knuckled you know guy who's he's [TS]

00:58:26   confident in himself because he's tough [TS]

00:58:28   and and can punch out whatever palooka [TS]

00:58:31   happens to come by [TS]

00:58:33   NIC is confident because he loaded the [TS]

00:58:35   whole time [TS]

00:58:36   yeah it's brilliant his devoted wife is [TS]

00:58:39   equally loaded magnetic it when he first [TS]

00:58:41   meet her and she meets in the hotel's [TS]

00:58:43   trailing the dog [TS]

00:58:45   sheshe her direction to the bartender is [TS]

00:58:47   line up five martinis right here [TS]

00:58:50   yeah and I wrote down at that point my [TS]

00:58:51   god it's the perfect woman [TS]

00:58:53   how many of you had six lineup five more [TS]

00:58:56   than a lot of light-up well yeah it you [TS]

00:58:58   get the sense that since since their [TS]

00:59:02   independently wealthy what you've got [TS]

00:59:04   here is a mystery solving for sport [TS]

00:59:07   right so they're having a good time [TS]

00:59:08   they're having a lot of some drinks and [TS]

00:59:10   he's gonna kind of like plus you get the [TS]

00:59:12   sense with him like I can figure this [TS]

00:59:14   out like like he's he's retired at this [TS]

00:59:17   but he was very good at it and now he's [TS]

00:59:20   just screwing around but he's still so [TS]

00:59:22   much better than everyone else that he's [TS]

00:59:23   going to be able to put it all together [TS]

00:59:25   yeah why I could figure this out three [TS]

00:59:26   sheets to the wind and and entertain [TS]

00:59:28   himself while doing it because I so [TS]

00:59:30   watching this movie um the first yeah [TS]

00:59:33   the first 10-15 minutes is really rough [TS]

00:59:34   because it's melting angry man and you [TS]

00:59:38   smell Angry Men smelting 12 Angry [TS]

00:59:41   smokiness and along with some here and [TS]

00:59:43   then he's angry his girlfriend and [TS]

00:59:44   there's bonds where the bonds and I just [TS]

00:59:46   I was just no I'm saying but but and I [TS]

00:59:49   feel like I i liked it more with every [TS]

00:59:53   scene and i feel like when i got to the [TS]

00:59:55   end and I saw that the scene which is [TS]

00:59:57   that classic i'm going to get [TS]

00:59:57   that classic i'm going to get [TS]

01:00:00   right it says he likes together exactly [TS]

01:00:01   right but the way it's done here I i [TS]

01:00:04   watch that scene i thought okay i see [TS]

01:00:06   what people love this movie because even [TS]

01:00:07   if the the movie up to that point has [TS]

01:00:09   got you know it the plot is kind of [TS]

01:00:11   twisty and planned and not that [TS]

01:00:13   interesting and and that there's good [TS]

01:00:15   banter between Nick and Nora but this [TS]

01:00:19   scene if you leave at the end of this [TS]

01:00:20   scene this is your last thing in the [TS]

01:00:22   movie [TS]

01:00:23   well I understand why everybody would [TS]

01:00:24   walk out with a smile because it is the [TS]

01:00:25   set piece that is like almost like Marx [TS]

01:00:29   Brothers level in its insanity it is set [TS]

01:00:32   up by Nick I I feel like gleefully like [TS]

01:00:35   I'm just going to screw with everybody [TS]

01:00:37   by doing this crazy much chaos as [TS]

01:00:38   possible it's going to be a party to i'm [TS]

01:00:40   going to just serve drinks and we're [TS]

01:00:41   gonna have we're gonna go with them [TS]

01:00:43   place cards the murderer is right in [TS]

01:00:45   this room at this table serve the fish [TS]

01:00:47   right so it just a minute just a [TS]

01:00:50   minister of the not so it's easily [TS]

01:00:52   seraphic guess not it's like that Agatha [TS]

01:00:55   Christie kind of the you know or or the [TS]

01:00:56   classic detective I wonder why you all [TS]

01:00:58   you know you wonder why I called you all [TS]

01:00:59   here tonight except totally insane the [TS]

01:01:02   people don't want to be there which i [TS]

01:01:03   really like that if you tried to get all [TS]

01:01:05   your suspects together they wouldn't [TS]

01:01:06   have a cocktail [TS]

01:01:08   so yeah a cocktail I got a feeling of [TS]

01:01:10   wanting to have a drink so good so that [TS]

01:01:13   was for me that was like the moment [TS]

01:01:14   where I just I just completely gave into [TS]

01:01:17   this movie and just started cackling at [TS]

01:01:19   every also there's right before that [TS]

01:01:20   there's the great montage that's like a [TS]

01:01:22   newspaper a map a bus cars a silhouette [TS]

01:01:26   a dog with there's the photoshoot of the [TS]

01:01:28   duct with the dog for the newspapers [TS]

01:01:30   right that's all really funny and then [TS]

01:01:33   you get into the that the party is like [TS]

01:01:35   of course Nicanor casita first off again [TS]

01:01:38   he doesn't care he's just messing around [TS]

01:01:40   and while he's messing around he will oh [TS]

01:01:42   yes solve the murder that befuddled the [TS]

01:01:45   police and it's just a tour-de-force [TS]

01:01:47   that whole scene I feel the basic [TS]

01:01:49   dynamic of nick and nora is that Nick is [TS]

01:01:51   entertained by the world and nora is [TS]

01:01:53   entertained by Nick yeah she spends most [TS]

01:01:56   of the movie in fact most of the movies [TS]

01:01:57   prodding him to get involved in this [TS]

01:02:00   will be its not until 15 minutes into a [TS]

01:02:02   90-minute movie that he finally says [TS]

01:02:04   alright fine i'm taking the case and it [TS]

01:02:07   literally like okay if you want me to [TS]

01:02:08   solve the murder that's been be [TS]

01:02:09   funneling everyone all this time all [TS]

01:02:11   right i'll do it because he he could do [TS]

01:02:12   it each [TS]

01:02:13   yeah care is was trying to retire sensor [TS]

01:02:16   off to Grant's Tomb i love that but how [TS]

01:02:18   is girl lovely i'm having a copy made [TS]

01:02:20   for you can find that scene is is there [TS]

01:02:23   is is again the chemistry between those [TS]

01:02:26   two there have been several places in [TS]

01:02:27   the film where they're sort of making [TS]

01:02:29   faces at each other [TS]

01:02:30   she's got this little scrunchy face she [TS]

01:02:32   makes at him and that seems she's on the [TS]

01:02:34   phone she knows he can't see her but [TS]

01:02:36   she's still making the scrunchy face and [TS]

01:02:37   I think that's just such a sweet moment [TS]

01:02:38   and you know he knows she's doing it [TS]

01:02:40   there's some great background acting [TS]

01:02:42   early in the movie like 16 minutes and [TS]

01:02:44   we're McCauley is on the phone [TS]

01:02:47   yes she has nice track on her head and [TS]

01:02:50   easy pumpkin at her she's not looking at [TS]

01:02:51   him and they're just ignoring the movie [TS]

01:02:53   completely and it and it seems really [TS]

01:02:57   doesn't seem contrived no yeah the most [TS]

01:02:59   charming that's the most charming moment [TS]

01:03:01   I think of the entire movie [TS]

01:03:02   yeah even the contrived know it's like I [TS]

01:03:04   like the scene with the the beginning [TS]

01:03:05   the mobster in the bedroom with a gun [TS]

01:03:07   oh he likes socks her to get her out of [TS]

01:03:10   the way of the of ago shot and it seems [TS]

01:03:13   everything and then gets shot himself [TS]

01:03:16   oh yeah and he gets shot he's like no no [TS]

01:03:17   it's just that whatever let's just go to [TS]

01:03:19   bed [TS]

01:03:19   what and then when they wake up I'm like [TS]

01:03:21   yeah when you punched your wife in the [TS]

01:03:22   face and knocked her out the best way to [TS]

01:03:24   wake up is by pouring with words written [TS]

01:03:25   down her throat [TS]

01:03:26   absolutely yeah well she's a girl with [TS]

01:03:28   hair on her chest not gonna mention that [TS]

01:03:31   this movie has there's a girl with hair [TS]

01:03:34   on her chest which is a good comparison [TS]

01:03:35   to maltese Falcons you're a good man [TS]

01:03:37   sister [TS]

01:03:38   the other thing I enjoy about the Nick [TS]

01:03:41   character is it especially saying [TS]

01:03:43   contrast to Sam Spade all of nick's [TS]

01:03:46   friends are are lowlifes people he set [TS]

01:03:49   up the river and oh yeah nikli seems to [TS]

01:03:51   have set yet pretty much every criminal [TS]

01:03:53   in Manhattan to jail at some point and [TS]

01:03:55   most of them are buds with him yet none [TS]

01:03:57   of them hold a grudge and this happened [TS]

01:03:59   this happens throughout the the Thin Man [TS]

01:04:01   movies it's nick remember when you [TS]

01:04:03   testified against me you got me fair and [TS]

01:04:06   square LED with my upper cut [TS]

01:04:07   yeah when the guy comes to the door and [TS]

01:04:09   he's like I haven't seen you in a long [TS]

01:04:10   time while I needed the rest [TS]

01:04:12   there's a strong implication that he was [TS]

01:04:15   the super hard-bitten two-fisted guy [TS]

01:04:17   because there's the line you don't have [TS]

01:04:20   to tell me you're tough i heard about [TS]

01:04:21   you that he was out Philip Marlowe [TS]

01:04:24   around before he got [TS]

01:04:25   romance and add in the book I mean [TS]

01:04:29   there's only one actual book that he [TS]

01:04:30   wrote with Nick and Nora and and it came [TS]

01:04:34   out for months before the movies they [TS]

01:04:36   were already making the movie before it [TS]

01:04:38   came out and I and I went oh yes i have [TS]

01:04:42   to read this because i love the movie [TS]

01:04:43   and the the book is much more Sam [TS]

01:04:47   Spanish I mean there is the relationship [TS]

01:04:50   there is the banter between them but [TS]

01:04:52   he's much more of a jerk and it's not as [TS]

01:04:54   much fun and it's if you love the movies [TS]

01:04:57   don't really want your it's a lot unless [TS]

01:04:59   it's a lot [TS]

01:05:01   what is it like just like grittier and [TS]

01:05:03   yes right well yes stuff of the family [TS]

01:05:05   the Winans is all kind of you get detail [TS]

01:05:08   creepier and you don't you don't want [TS]

01:05:10   detail there [TS]

01:05:11   imagine Gilbert but not played for [TS]

01:05:12   laughs right yeah where is the movie now [TS]

01:05:15   and again all of the things in the movie [TS]

01:05:17   were already starting to be troops at [TS]

01:05:20   the time you know gathering all the [TS]

01:05:21   suspects doing and and so they're kind [TS]

01:05:23   of making fun of that at the same time [TS]

01:05:25   which is why that's so brilliant I mean [TS]

01:05:28   if you want any Charlie Chan film if you [TS]

01:05:31   can even find them these days or a of [TS]

01:05:33   they did a couple of Ellery Queen films [TS]

01:05:35   or any any kind of mystery from the [TS]

01:05:36   thirties you will see the exact same [TS]

01:05:38   template over and over and over and over [TS]

01:05:41   and there's a reason this one indoors [TS]

01:05:44   and it's it's malinois and the dialogue [TS]

01:05:47   and the crackle is the plot the plot is [TS]

01:05:49   terrible and yes even though I could [TS]

01:05:51   follow it look let's just say the cops [TS]

01:05:54   are really not good at their jobs come [TS]

01:05:58   into a room and you slide them with [TS]

01:06:00   cocktail is so obvious that if you have [TS]

01:06:03   a guy who disappears [TS]

01:06:05   I mean nick goes to the ghost of the [TS]

01:06:07   smelting whatever and end with his dog [TS]

01:06:10   and within like five minutes has figured [TS]

01:06:13   out that the guy must have have already [TS]

01:06:16   been killed which is it's really obvious [TS]

01:06:18   and even when they find the body [TS]

01:06:20   the cops are like oh this must have been [TS]

01:06:22   one of his victims really good really [TS]

01:06:25   nice man they buried it with that pants [TS]

01:06:28   got that giant pair of pants come on [TS]

01:06:31   well the site this is the scene though [TS]

01:06:32   at the dinner party where you mentioned [TS]

01:06:34   the cops were like I added [TS]

01:06:35   lieutenant was turned off for awhile [TS]

01:06:37   business yeah we could skip past that [TS]

01:06:39   policy that like that is good yeah yeah [TS]

01:06:41   I'd like to defend these cops because [TS]

01:06:43   unlike the cops and most detective [TS]

01:06:45   stories especially hard-bitten detective [TS]

01:06:47   stories they know they're terrible as [TS]

01:06:50   soon as they didn't hire him Randy Paige [TS]

01:06:52   kicked enjoyed this health through like [TS]

01:06:55   there's no Daisy ominous as soon as nick [TS]

01:06:57   says I'm sort of interested what do you [TS]

01:07:00   know they're like yours every single [TS]

01:07:01   thing you know yeah yeah we would [TS]

01:07:03   welcome any help you can give us please [TS]

01:07:05   fix this florist that they are like one [TS]

01:07:07   step ahead of the cops in the 1966 [TS]

01:07:10   Batman series [TS]

01:07:11   yeah Batman helped us please a little [TS]

01:07:13   Commissioner ok when done time skips out [TS]

01:07:16   on him you know he started Nick starts [TS]

01:07:18   calling up the football you can call [TS]

01:07:20   your friends they can feel it trailer [TS]

01:07:21   lou i will say there's there is one [TS]

01:07:24   other character apart from Nicanor who [TS]

01:07:26   is delightful and that's not his [TS]

01:07:28   girlfriend [TS]

01:07:29   yes whoo yes we have yet we had a [TS]

01:07:31   spectacular part because not only you [TS]

01:07:34   know we first see her but not the first [TS]

01:07:35   time here but the second time was here [TS]

01:07:37   she gets to throw a frying pan [TS]

01:07:38   essentially at the camera yeah you gotta [TS]

01:07:40   speak that's great and then she has [TS]

01:07:43   built that you know the thing I I don't [TS]

01:07:45   like crooks if i did like crooks like I [TS]

01:07:47   wouldn't like stool pigeons and if i did [TS]

01:07:48   like stool pigeons I wouldn't like you [TS]

01:07:50   and then stomps out and then she gets [TS]

01:07:52   invited to the dinner party I don't [TS]

01:07:54   think she and the other hood kind of [TS]

01:07:56   make an instant connection at the dinner [TS]

01:07:58   party has felt in here too [TS]

01:07:59   yeah like they've known each other for [TS]

01:08:01   years it's also great that I mean again [TS]

01:08:03   the whole trip of inviting everybody is [TS]

01:08:05   like that [TS]

01:08:06   yeah a dozen of these people it doesn't [TS]

01:08:08   matter if they're they're like this it [TS]

01:08:09   really matter if she's there no but like [TS]

01:08:10   a you get a free dinner out of the day [TS]

01:08:12   there are so many people at the party [TS]

01:08:13   that at one point I was thinking or do [TS]

01:08:15   they have like two tables like you know [TS]

01:08:16   at thanksgiving weekend like that a the [TS]

01:08:19   guests over here and the suspects sort [TS]

01:08:21   of this table suspect [TS]

01:08:22   well since everyone was very thin back [TS]

01:08:24   then yeah i think at all [TS]

01:08:25   well let especially that old gay but [TS]

01:08:27   Miss a man who weighs 250 pounds has to [TS]

01:08:31   be crippled carrying around all that way [TS]

01:08:33   to you imagine a five foot eleven [TS]

01:08:35   250-pound man that's crazy that's insane [TS]

01:08:38   yes yes never came i like the the [TS]

01:08:42   mobster who we know is a mobster because [TS]

01:08:45   when we first see him he's an extreme [TS]

01:08:48   shadow [TS]

01:08:49   click yes and he has a scar on his face [TS]

01:08:51   and a hat like that one time [TS]

01:08:54   that's a month that's a mobster is that [TS]

01:08:55   is that none time that is not starting [TS]

01:08:57   from your head man he's Jon Lovitz by [TS]

01:09:00   way of robert downey yes yes yes yes yes [TS]

01:09:04   i love that I love that character is [TS]

01:09:06   Tommy Flanagan and he's really [TS]

01:09:07   interesting too because because he's [TS]

01:09:09   sort of like just us two facets he's [TS]

01:09:12   very making wimpy-butt when he's in [TS]

01:09:14   person but on the phone he's very creepy [TS]

01:09:16   he's medicine that's right yeah does [TS]

01:09:18   have a kind of a bifid character he's [TS]

01:09:21   the 1930s whatever version of the [TS]

01:09:23   internet tough guy [TS]

01:09:25   yeah he's cool he's a troll [TS]

01:09:28   it's funny that he did someone mention [TS]

01:09:29   Robert Downey jr. because I feel like [TS]

01:09:31   he's kind of channeling and channeling [TS]

01:09:33   william powell in the latter half of his [TS]

01:09:34   career basically yeah mostly [TS]

01:09:36   totally yeah yeah totally no I the one [TS]

01:09:39   thing I i think when i watch The Thin [TS]

01:09:42   Man is black i wish that movies today [TS]

01:09:45   have the chemistry that a william powell [TS]

01:09:48   and Myrna Loy have this movie network [TS]

01:09:50   technology amazing without with a better [TS]

01:09:52   script obviously i'd like to take the [TS]

01:09:55   opportunity to recommend if you enjoy [TS]

01:09:57   the chemistry of Nick and Nora Charles [TS]

01:09:58   in the thin man listening to the [TS]

01:10:00   thrilling adventure hour broadcast [TS]

01:10:02   specifically the beyond belief segments [TS]

01:10:04   in which paul f tompkins and paget [TS]

01:10:06   Brewster are basically doing Nick and [TS]

01:10:08   Nora Charles except also they see ghosts [TS]

01:10:11   yeah which-which you won't necessarily [TS]

01:10:13   it you're not guaranteed elected if you [TS]

01:10:15   like naked or if it's possible they're [TS]

01:10:17   drunker [TS]

01:10:17   ya hear that Nicanor if they continue [TS]

01:10:20   with the drinking at the level they are [TS]

01:10:21   they will they will be seeing ghosts [TS]

01:10:22   before long it's true [TS]

01:10:24   ironically the I think the awesome [TS]

01:10:27   chemistry between William Powell and [TS]

01:10:29   Myrna Loy Myrna Loy whom I would watch [TS]

01:10:31   pretty much do anything I love her so [TS]

01:10:32   much [TS]

01:10:33   he's quite yeah is why is why i think i [TS]

01:10:36   liked this movie les this time then the [TS]

01:10:38   first time and like I said these two [TS]

01:10:41   movies dosey doe in my head because I [TS]

01:10:43   had really like the thin man you you are [TS]

01:10:45   a strange person haha the reason the [TS]

01:10:49   reason is because the first time I saw [TS]

01:10:51   it I was discovering them doing this for [TS]

01:10:53   the first time and i loved it so I kind [TS]

01:10:56   of built up in my head and I didn't [TS]

01:10:57   realize how much of the movie has you [TS]

01:11:01   know a lack of them [TS]

01:11:02   haha to watch everything yeah and then [TS]

01:11:05   and then the plot itself [TS]

01:11:06   I didn't care too much about the plot [TS]

01:11:08   the first time because i was just [TS]

01:11:09   completely dazzled by their chemistry [TS]

01:11:12   and their banter and this time because [TS]

01:11:14   you know i was still enjoying it but I [TS]

01:11:16   was also trying to focus more on the [TS]

01:11:18   plot which yeah is kind of kind of lame [TS]

01:11:20   so I I still completely loved to watch [TS]

01:11:23   the two of them together and i adore [TS]

01:11:26   they had the dinner scene hefty and [TS]

01:11:28   because it's just one hundred percent [TS]

01:11:30   delightful but but yeah I think if i [TS]

01:11:32   were to watch it again i would probably [TS]

01:11:34   be a little bit better because I [TS]

01:11:35   wouldn't be expecting quite as much [TS]

01:11:37   screen time for the two of them and [TS]

01:11:39   that's where I fell down for me [TS]

01:11:40   well to erica's point the the i have not [TS]

01:11:44   seen this movie in about 30 years and [TS]

01:11:47   the Nick and Nora interplay and their [TS]

01:11:50   characters are so strong that i really [TS]

01:11:53   didn't remember anything else about the [TS]

01:11:55   movie and so when I was watching the [TS]

01:11:57   first 10 minutes of the movie I said [TS]

01:11:59   what the hell is this [TS]

01:12:01   I thought I gotta get all this as I'm [TS]

01:12:05   looking at it and then and then you [TS]

01:12:06   finally get the scene in a hotel where [TS]

01:12:08   norwich is the you know possibly the [TS]

01:12:10   greatest entrance ever is nor coming in [TS]

01:12:13   pulled along by Aston dropping all the [TS]

01:12:15   packages and falling on her face [TS]

01:12:17   that's how I thought the movie started [TS]

01:12:19   that in my head that was me that was the [TS]

01:12:21   beginning of the movie and in fact you [TS]

01:12:23   know it is the beginning of the real [TS]

01:12:24   movie everything before then is you've [TS]

01:12:26   got a guy who is somehow both [TS]

01:12:28   absent-minded absent-minded genius but [TS]

01:12:31   also a really angry man who wants to [TS]

01:12:32   kill people you know generally check [TS]

01:12:35   itunes to see if I had accidentally [TS]

01:12:37   started the first 10 minutes are very [TS]

01:12:41   confusing [TS]

01:12:42   I know the pacing at the beginning of [TS]

01:12:44   the movie is terrible because there's 11 [TS]

01:12:45   minutes without Nick and Nora but at the [TS]

01:12:47   end of the movie there is two minutes [TS]

01:12:51   between here's who the murderer is and [TS]

01:12:53   the movie is over [TS]

01:12:54   oh yeah yeah and in that two minutes we [TS]

01:12:56   have time for Nick and Nora to go off [TS]

01:12:58   and have sex [TS]

01:12:59   yeah the movie ends with him jumping her [TS]

01:13:00   bones as he clearly should which is yes [TS]

01:13:02   there's none of this chase separate beds [TS]

01:13:05   bullcrap [TS]

01:13:05   yeah this is a married couple they're [TS]

01:13:08   going to have sex now that's the end of [TS]

01:13:09   movie [TS]

01:13:10   goodnight everybody dogs going on the [TS]

01:13:11   top shelf I'm going on Nora but they [TS]

01:13:13   that they do have separate beds [TS]

01:13:15   too early don't use them yeah but it's [TS]

01:13:17   just it's it's still there and he even [TS]

01:13:20   Tommy and Dorothy seem to have sex which [TS]

01:13:22   is unbelievable I mean especially [TS]

01:13:25   because it's a pretty look at those yeah [TS]

01:13:27   it seemed hard I don't know it's not [TS]

01:13:29   working what's the deal with Gilbert [TS]

01:13:31   just a window [TS]

01:13:33   Oh everybody wants a strange [TS]

01:13:37   What's Eating little girls dream he's [TS]

01:13:39   the young version of human cronin in I [TS]

01:13:42   that's right i do and i saw i don't know [TS]

01:13:45   i was gazing in my crystal ok we just [TS]

01:13:48   start eyes it's like out everybody's put [TS]

01:13:51   all rellium Morelli hold your knife some [TS]

01:13:53   other way you're worried and Gilbert ooh [TS]

01:13:55   I'm gonna suggest that it's possible [TS]

01:13:57   that Gilbert smells of gardenias [TS]

01:13:59   interesting i just like that how closely [TS]

01:14:01   Stanton at like the I've never seen a [TS]

01:14:04   dead body before data that don't come [TS]

01:14:06   down with us we love will bring the body [TS]

01:14:07   up to you [TS]

01:14:08   yeah that was good they're all put off [TS]

01:14:10   and that will not stop it like cycling [TS]

01:14:12   into the elevator [TS]

01:14:13   he's funny he's a little over the top [TS]

01:14:15   but it's almost like he dropped in from [TS]

01:14:16   another movie yeah I think he's Lisa was [TS]

01:14:20   what we watched it together and she was [TS]

01:14:22   pointing out that he's a parody of a [TS]

01:14:26   certain kind of night late 1920s early [TS]

01:14:28   nineteen thirties fo intellectualism ah [TS]

01:14:32   but it's kind of a weird that stuff yeah [TS]

01:14:35   yeah basically just said I'm looking I'm [TS]

01:14:38   book smart but not street smart is to [TS]

01:14:41   show you that that whole family is [TS]

01:14:42   screwy base ya know [TS]

01:14:44   well even the cop gets to look down on [TS]

01:14:46   him he probably has a slim volume of [TS]

01:14:48   poetry bounded limp leather the governor [TS]

01:14:51   sullivan reference deal with that so i [TS]

01:14:53   have a few disparate notes as my want [TS]

01:14:56   with movies that i really like for [TS]

01:14:58   starters what is with the thimble posing [TS]

01:15:00   as a cocktail glass when they're [TS]

01:15:02   drinking martinis their these miniscule [TS]

01:15:03   they're more like I'm are tiny now [TS]

01:15:06   that's that's why they have to drink 30 [TS]

01:15:08   of them i guess that was this that was [TS]

01:15:11   the style at the time i'm glad we moved [TS]

01:15:13   past those oh yeah now we have comical [TS]

01:15:16   novel the novelty-sized glasses so it's [TS]

01:15:18   only the word martini doesn't mean [TS]

01:15:20   anything i love the party scene because [TS]

01:15:22   i love that we get to go through every [TS]

01:15:24   single type of drunken this is [TS]

01:15:27   mother and my father bother you got the [TS]

01:15:34   barely coherent smiling bum who thinks [TS]

01:15:37   Nick's wife is great guy [TS]

01:15:39   weeping into his high ball for no reason [TS]

01:15:41   the lecherous old creep journalists I [TS]

01:15:45   mean they're all here it's it's just [TS]

01:15:47   hard asses and then the the Isle of the [TS]

01:15:50   punchline there too which is owned nikki [TS]

01:15:52   i love you because you have such lovely [TS]

01:15:53   people and I think she's only half [TS]

01:15:56   joking there [TS]

01:15:57   no she's not joking Julie all yeah she [TS]

01:16:00   thinks this is neat [TS]

01:16:01   yeah she's totally insist on it i think [TS]

01:16:04   the single greatest moment in the film [TS]

01:16:05   for me is probably when the cops are [TS]

01:16:10   fishing around in the dresser and they [TS]

01:16:12   find the gun and Nora says what's that [TS]

01:16:14   man doing in my drawer it's rather see [TS]

01:16:16   and there's the most unbelievable tier [TS]

01:16:18   inducing reaction shot of power just so [TS]

01:16:22   over-the-top that's his second biggest [TS]

01:16:24   take I think my god he has another take [TS]

01:16:27   ending scene i forget what she says but [TS]

01:16:29   he didn't make any sense it's the was [TS]

01:16:32   just a particular a twinkle in my father [TS]

01:16:36   my father oh yeah i mean my father's one [TS]

01:16:39   away by that point I like when she says [TS]

01:16:42   oh it's um being not helpful 0 so it's [TS]

01:16:45   someone for you as behind her is a guy [TS]

01:16:48   with a gun like this really doesn't [TS]

01:16:51   usually go this guy came for you I I I [TS]

01:16:54   wanted to call out how great the [TS]

01:16:55   lighting in the scene where he's [TS]

01:16:57   searching the shop is which is just [TS]

01:17:00   basically shadows and the flashlight and [TS]

01:17:02   I can flash light beam [TS]

01:17:04   I mean it's such a it's such an [TS]

01:17:05   otherwise light movie and yet there's [TS]

01:17:07   this this moment where it's just [TS]

01:17:08   marvelously creepy as he's kind of [TS]

01:17:10   searching through the show my notes say [TS]

01:17:11   what could a good director have done [TS]

01:17:14   with that soon going to take let's say [TS]

01:17:18   three take strong words for WS vandyke I [TS]

01:17:22   think it's just too muddy [TS]

01:17:24   i I don't I just didn't I think that you [TS]

01:17:28   know a real director with a reader with [TS]

01:17:31   a real cinematographer who isn't [TS]

01:17:33   shooting a movie in 14 days might have [TS]

01:17:35   been able to like that a lot better and [TS]

01:17:37   make it look more menacing I just think [TS]

01:17:39   I think the whole scene looks muddy at [TS]

01:17:41   the version i watch the stream version [TS]

01:17:43   on on amazon and it was just a also ate [TS]

01:17:46   terrible print like a really grainy and [TS]

01:17:49   scratchy like that that movies in need [TS]

01:17:51   of a good just sort of restoration [TS]

01:17:54   answering restoration whatever wake ya i [TS]

01:17:55   could be that my DVD is a bad copy [TS]

01:17:58   yeah my final yeah I don't yeah mine is [TS]

01:18:00   yours to the Amazon version is pretty [TS]

01:18:02   sure i had the I itunes stream and it [TS]

01:18:04   was not not very good [TS]

01:18:06   that's it's pretty pretty ragged I think [TS]

01:18:09   that scene works for me because it's [TS]

01:18:10   muddy I mean if it lasted any longer it [TS]

01:18:12   would have been irritating but because [TS]

01:18:13   of the fact that it's so dark and [TS]

01:18:15   there's so little that you can make out [TS]

01:18:17   and it actually works for me but I got I [TS]

01:18:19   get your point i wanted to mention the [TS]

01:18:21   the weird pronunciations we mentioned [TS]

01:18:23   suspect's later but also we get perhaps [TS]

01:18:27   it was the work of a sadist or paranoia [TS]

01:18:29   a think that's why they're suspicious of [TS]

01:18:33   him maybe it's just killed guys gonna [TS]

01:18:36   replace this dialogue with interstitials [TS]

01:18:37   later right [TS]

01:18:38   yeah status is just someone who's really [TS]

01:18:40   sad Jason yeah it's not just really sad [TS]

01:18:43   the most said he gets off on being so [TS]

01:18:45   it's clearly a bookish kid when you read [TS]

01:18:47   a lot of books and don't hear words said [TS]

01:18:49   you pronounce them wrong so last thing I [TS]

01:18:51   wanted to mention i just wanted to call [TS]

01:18:52   out how wonderful i find Nora's wardrobe [TS]

01:18:55   mm almost every dress she comes out and [TS]

01:18:58   looks like a freeze frame from the chest [TS]

01:18:59   burster seen an alien i can't miss I [TS]

01:19:02   actually have a at one of my notes just [TS]

01:19:04   says best period pantsuit period ever [TS]

01:19:08   created [TS]

01:19:09   look fantastic do you have an evening [TS]

01:19:12   dress [TS]

01:19:13   yeah it's a little too literally of [TS]

01:19:16   course she does look at her [TS]

01:19:18   do you have and she's a she's a rich [TS]

01:19:20   heiress of course she has a part yeah [TS]

01:19:22   sure she even makes the ice pack bag [TS]

01:19:24   tied to her head look wonderful in that [TS]

01:19:26   in that early scene yeah like maybe [TS]

01:19:28   that's the thing people are doing now in [TS]

01:19:31   her robe oh my god i want that robe so [TS]

01:19:33   bad [TS]

01:19:34   one other character that I did I liked [TS]

01:19:36   um who has almost no screen time [TS]

01:19:38   whatsoever is Jorgensen's wife the first [TS]

01:19:43   mrs. Jordan first mr. engine yeah and [TS]

01:19:46   when she's she said Park it over there [TS]

01:19:48   sister I've been mrs. Jorgenson for a [TS]

01:19:50   longer than you have [TS]

01:19:51   yeah great if you really like William [TS]

01:19:55   Powell here and you're willing to take a [TS]

01:19:57   slight downgrade in his partner i [TS]

01:19:59   strongly recommend my man godfrey oh [TS]

01:20:01   you're great my man godfrey has Carole [TS]

01:20:05   Lombard was not quite Myrna Loy but is [TS]

01:20:07   very to do good all right Phil what we [TS]

01:20:09   learned [TS]

01:20:10   I i sometimes placed a little bets with [TS]

01:20:12   myself on which movie will be the better [TS]

01:20:14   regarded and I've never lost tonight but [TS]

01:20:18   you know if that's ok i'm glad that you [TS]

01:20:20   enjoyed one of the two movies that we [TS]

01:20:24   curated for you [TS]

01:20:25   well I it's not an area i don't you have [TS]

01:20:28   lunch already done the maltese falcon I [TS]

01:20:30   died too and I'm happy to be here now [TS]

01:20:33   you've ruined my oh my I will say I I [TS]

01:20:35   think maybe I decided to I don't like [TS]

01:20:37   film noir I think maybe I've decided I [TS]

01:20:39   think I think that's what we've [TS]

01:20:40   discovered and you've broken you've [TS]

01:20:42   broken my heart [TS]

01:20:43   yes missing out missing are now well [TS]

01:20:46   apparently not based on what I've seen [TS]

01:20:47   anyway maybe not my cuppa tea hot tea [TS]

01:20:52   it's coffee black like your soul yeah I [TS]

01:20:55   want a movie with the with Nick and Nora [TS]

01:20:58   Charles and uh and mr. Cairo and The [TS]

01:21:01   Fatman about that I will totally wow [TS]

01:21:04   yeah the fat man meets the thin man [TS]

01:21:07   Oh probably out there [TS]

01:21:11   well we're gonna we're going to button [TS]

01:21:12   up the old old movie club again [TS]

01:21:15   yep button it up button up as we do [TS]

01:21:19   always goes if we're going to punch it [TS]

01:21:20   in the face and it's gonna fall black [TS]

01:21:22   and late and then we're gonna go through [TS]

01:21:25   its pockets and look at it's a look at [TS]

01:21:27   its belongings old movie club where we [TS]

01:21:30   take old movies and hit them with a [TS]

01:21:31   large stick old movie club smells of [TS]

01:21:34   gardenias [TS]

01:21:35   yellow trill couldn't we just hit the [TS]

01:21:40   movies with the club [TS]

01:21:42   ok soon we had an old movie club and [TS]

01:21:44   yeah we club musical movies that's it [TS]

01:21:47   with you because you solved the name of [TS]

01:21:49   the thing [TS]

01:21:50   Monty I Erica enzyme thank you for being [TS]

01:21:53   here that these were these are in your [TS]

01:21:55   room or in your time period [TS]

01:21:57   yes I this is I have been thrilled to be [TS]

01:22:00   watching movies not only that I've [TS]

01:22:02   already seen but that I that I really [TS]

01:22:03   liked him and by GAD sirs you are chaps [TS]

01:22:06   worth knowing [TS]

01:22:07   amazing call oh aight all sluts thank [TS]

01:22:11   you thank you Jason if they hang you [TS]

01:22:14   I'll always remember you [TS]

01:22:16   uh-huh are you some sort of status or [TS]

01:22:18   paranoia a monte Ashley thank you [TS]

01:22:21   haven't you heard the news [TS]

01:22:23   I'm a gentleman that smells of gardenias [TS]

01:22:25   and everything David Laura thank you i [TS]

01:22:27   am i'm gonna go cheer myself up by [TS]

01:22:29   watching the third man again [TS]

01:22:31   yeah that's on tonight it is good [TS]

01:22:34   morning thank you very much [TS]

01:22:35   it's the only way it makes sense Jason [TS]

01:22:37   dr. drank thank you for joining us and [TS]

01:22:41   not just in the chatroom it was nice [TS]

01:22:43   having you here [TS]

01:22:44   well thank you the best goodbyes are [TS]

01:22:46   short to do and Philip Michael thank you [TS]

01:22:48   for once again curating our old movie [TS]

01:22:50   club [TS]

01:22:51   well jason has always say when we set [TS]

01:22:53   off all we've got is that maybe you love [TS]

01:22:55   me and maybe I love you i'll have some [TS]

01:22:58   brought nights after i sent you over [TS]

01:22:59   okay [TS]

01:23:02   and everybody out there thanks for [TS]

01:23:05   listening a good night i'm going to [TS]

01:23:06   sleep with crumpled newspapers around [TS]

01:23:07   the bed in case somebody tries [TS]