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0:00:28surgery this is Zardoz the incomparable
0:00:37number 250 jun 2015 i welcome back to
0:00:44the uncomfortable rocket surgery we take
0:00:46a look at a movie with questionable
0:00:47morals from various one of the various
0:00:49decades of history and if it's the
0:00:52seventies this time and it's john
0:00:54boarman zai he wrote he directed it
0:00:56he produced it it's hard cause keep in
0:00:59mind that in the context of the
0:01:00seventies there is no such thing as
0:01:02questionable morals
0:01:03yeah that well we'll get to that I mean
0:01:05it's all such things from this I could
0:01:09not think of a 747 is moving in this
0:01:11joining me to discuss Zardoz the the
0:01:15crew this time begins with Steve lot so
0:01:18you just heard hi Steve
0:01:19hello there Jason I'm excited to discuss
0:01:22this film wearing my red diaper I I
0:01:25expected no less of you Erica and sign
0:01:27also you heard earlier
0:01:28hello hello second I got are less
0:01:31excited test ray boom
0:01:34David J lower also out there hello hello
0:01:36all i can say is pay no attention to the
0:01:39man behind the Fox Logan Glenn
0:01:42fleischmann inexplicably has lots to say
0:01:46about this movie so we invited him
0:01:47behind hello glad this podcasters evil
0:01:51and fair enough
0:01:53hi Joe rosenstiel is out there hi Joe
0:01:56I just enjoying some green bread over
0:01:58here and first time on the uncomfortable
0:02:02though she's going around the track
0:02:02before and we praise your book before
0:02:05it's Halloween worker hello hello thank
0:02:08you so much for having me i tattooed on
0:02:10a beer just for the occasion
0:02:12yeah tattoo a is my anyway and and for
0:02:16those of you who are not good or not
0:02:18aware i'm jason snelling I am Zardoz i
0:02:21have podcast 249 episodes and I long to
0:02:24die just got instead is bouncing around
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0:02:31I am immortal I present now my story
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0:02:36entirety and chocolate and most
0:02:38hypercritical it is it that he had a
0:02:40ridiculous film so none of these events
0:02:41will ever occur
0:02:43be warned lest you end as I in this tale
0:02:46I'm host by occupation and a rocket
0:02:48surgeon by inclination Merlin Mann is my
0:02:51hero i am the puppet master say hello
0:02:54Johnny like Jason I manipulate many of
0:02:57the panelists and events you will see
0:02:58but I invented to for your entertainment
0:03:00and amusement and you poor creatures who
0:03:03conjured you out of the ether is your
0:03:05smartphone and show business to all i
0:03:08can see you can't see us but we're all
0:03:11doing jazz hands at you I think you put
0:03:14more thought into that little rant then
0:03:16john boarman put into this entire
0:03:18two-hour movie
0:03:18oh good i had to do that i would like to
0:03:24make an opening statement when I have
0:03:26statements
0:03:28sir I have things to say about this pump
0:03:32I know I opening statement is I watched
0:03:35a few weeks ago and I meant to watching
0:03:37and have not watched the second time
0:03:38except replaying it again and again and
0:03:40again in my mind in the VCR that is good
0:03:43mind and hopefully actual details but my
0:03:45takeaway from this film since we haven't
0:03:48talked about yet is I can't figure out
0:03:50whether Foreman is trying to make
0:03:53commentary about like the nature of
0:03:56feminism in the change in society as a
0:03:59comedy of what he thinks as the d
0:04:03sexualisation and d masculinization of
0:04:06society the nineteen seventies or if
0:04:09he's laughing at everybody who thinks
0:04:10that's what's happening
0:04:12that's my opening i'm still I I don't
0:04:14have an answer maybe we'll come up with
0:04:15one boy I I'm just the the one quote i
0:04:19found from Borman and this sort of said
0:04:22it all for me quote
0:04:24it was the seventies and I was doing a
0:04:27lot of drugs
0:04:28frankly I'm not even sure what parts of
0:04:31the movie or about unquote
0:04:34well it ends one of the last lines in
0:04:36the film is as friend the character
0:04:39friend is shot he see announces success
0:04:42it was all a joke
0:04:44so yeah I would suggest that has
0:04:46something to do with your answer
0:04:48I mean it reminded me of a love of the
0:04:50movie head by the monkeys but more
0:04:53coherent than that there is ahead in
0:04:55this film there is a yes a couple of her
0:04:58is stone had originally games with you
0:05:01have to own head
0:05:02I'm actually comforted by the experience
0:05:05of watching this movie not because it
0:05:07was any good
0:05:08it wasn't not even because i liked it i
0:05:11didn't know what brings me comfort is a
0:05:14sense of stability and continuity the
0:05:17stability of knowing that Glenn is still
0:05:19my incomparable opposite haven't been
0:05:25everything you've said about this movie
0:05:26so far i am confident that we are still
0:05:28like opposing pillars of competing have
0:05:31I been supplanted as the anti Erica
0:05:33that's terrible
0:05:34archival actually in canada though
0:05:36because your husband needs extensive
0:05:38psychiatric care after having seen this
0:05:40film he was mad he was he was very upset
0:05:44with me for making him watch this film
0:05:46now I just up for my part I just found
0:05:49that this far as you know Glenn your you
0:05:51thought about the the feminism thing is
0:05:54just sort of saw it as a an incredibly
0:05:56tired trope science fiction trope that
0:05:58was that was tired even at the time you
0:06:00know the futuristic utopian society
0:06:02suddenly needs this manly man to come
0:06:05and show them the error of their ways in
0:06:07this case it happens to be a murderer
0:06:09and a rapist and and in this case the
0:06:11Utopia utopian society seems to have
0:06:13women in a position of at least equality
0:06:15if not not power and you know they they
0:06:18need to be to be shown how how wrong
0:06:20they are about the way that they have
0:06:21have have taken things and it's just it
0:06:24I've read a gazillion stories like that
0:06:26and this was a poorly done version
0:06:28thereof although i will say it wasn't as
0:06:30on entertaining as i expected it to be
0:06:32I'm on Team America I have not read a
0:06:34gazillion stories like this and i found
0:06:37it strangely fascinating
0:06:38and I absolutely no idea what to expect
0:06:41from this movie when i started in on it
0:06:43and that is exactly what I got I i still
0:06:46have no idea what i want to i watched it
0:06:48twice
0:06:48it's so literal that's why I wonder it's
0:06:51so literal if it's really literal this
0:06:53is the same animate deliverance he made
0:06:55the incredibly odd Excalibur it's which
0:06:58is not that
0:07:00excalibur has levels of depth not
0:07:02suggesting but it's it's so weird in its
0:07:06literalness that I feel like it is
0:07:08almost a joke that if you take it
0:07:09seriously as a tired trope that he's
0:07:11actually totally won the framing
0:07:13mechanism is part of that but i think
0:07:14i'm giving them too much credit
0:07:16yeah yeah he was he was doing a lot of
0:07:18drugs
0:07:19yeah it seemed like an art film made by
0:07:20the weird guy in film class who just
0:07:22sits in the back and mutters to himself
0:07:23and stares creeply that way that's just
0:07:26this is what happens when you as a
0:07:27director and writer are given too much
0:07:29rope because a surprising number of
0:07:31people wanted to see Ned Beatty squeal
0:07:33like a pig
0:07:34no I mean he got he got to do whatever
0:07:37he wanted and what he wanted to do was
0:07:39make lord of the rings and someone
0:07:42wisely said new new new
0:07:46so when did this instead I wish somebody
0:07:48would have said no to this to that's the
0:07:50problem to get the same guy writing
0:07:51producing and directing you don't have
0:07:53somebody to say those notes also is the
0:07:55seventies so there's nobody there to say
0:07:57that that's too
0:07:58i I don't know enough about the history
0:08:00of you know the trope but Eric I had
0:08:02that same response of this must have
0:08:05been tired even then that the feeling of
0:08:08you know it i don't know i have have a
0:08:12very weird soft spot for this movie
0:08:14because I first saw it when I was an
0:08:16incredibly impression about 19 year old
0:08:18and it was the first thing like this i
0:08:22had ever seen because i had a pretty
0:08:24sheltered suburban life growing up in
0:08:26all the movies i saw were with my
0:08:27parents and they would never have seen
0:08:29anything like this in front of me at
0:08:31least so you know here i was in a
0:08:33college basement with my boyfriend a
0:08:35bunch of other people and with my jaw on
0:08:37the floor just watching this so it was
0:08:40it was a very weird sort of education in
0:08:43you know seventies whoo sci-fi
0:08:47and you know it and it actually held up
0:08:52in some respects better this time than i
0:08:55was expecting it to because I haven't
0:08:56seen it since I was 19 but yeah that's
0:08:58sort of like oh god is this all he's
0:09:00gonna say like you know putting aside
0:09:03all like you know just okay here here
0:09:06the rapist is the hero I mean I mean
0:09:08talk about I mean big flashing nope nope
0:09:12nope sign but but the it's like i wanted
0:09:17i wanted something a little more depth
0:09:20that wasn't just like okay obviously
0:09:22he's just doing more and more drugs
0:09:24through the movie until the end is is
0:09:26like you know justjust complete
0:09:28performance art but anyway that might be
0:09:30getting ahead of ourselves
0:09:31it did feel I I died a couple of
0:09:33thoughts one is a did feel like he was
0:09:35like you know that last scene in 2001
0:09:37when we have a lot of seems like i can't
0:09:41actually make reference to 2001 the
0:09:42poster for this film to me and I think
0:09:45the copy on that poster is something
0:09:46along the lines of you had no idea what
0:09:48happened in these three movies and
0:09:50you'll really have no idea what happens
0:09:52in this movie
0:09:53oh yeah the trailer is brilliant because
0:09:54it's know beyond 2001 ya be on here and
0:09:58then beyond life beyond death
0:10:01sorry not sorry i want to give you
0:10:03chasing the 2001 dragon this is a pretty
0:10:05good follow-up well but the more obvious
0:10:06one is a is the time machine right which
0:10:08I just looked up at you not in 1962
0:10:11version thing here with Rod Taylor very
0:10:13well George panel movie
0:10:14yes you could say the trip goes back to
0:10:16you know the 18 was a tease or something
0:10:18in the book with the original was
0:10:19written where you have sort of
0:10:21androgynous not in this case not very
0:10:25bright they have don't have to retain
0:10:26the Eloi don't have to retain any
0:10:27intelligence there are the Morlocks
0:10:29working for them on their behalf toiling
0:10:31for them and then they eat some of them
0:10:33from time to time so the relationship is
0:10:34a little different but it's still it's
0:10:37still the same kinda mechanism in the
0:10:391960s movie was pretty literal the other
0:10:41kubrick movie i want to mention and this
0:10:43goes back to lean and Erica talking
0:10:44about the yes our hero he is a murderer
0:10:47multiple murderer rapist but he's our
0:10:50hero is a clockwork orange and also I
0:10:53interested you don't want it reminded me
0:10:54a lot of a clockwork orange which is
0:10:55like
0:10:56fucking violence but it's commentary but
0:10:58it's shocking violence but it's
0:11:00commentary a little bit of that vibe in
0:11:02in here to either the violence here is
0:11:04relatively muted it is don't you want to
0:11:06see a lot of it up close and personal
0:11:08yeah both movies and with Beethoven also
0:11:10what an interesting Derek directorial
0:11:13career though I mean I think deliverance
0:11:15and Excalibur are both generally
0:11:16considered good to great by a lot of
0:11:19people but then he also did this and he
0:11:21followed this up with exercises to the
0:11:23heritage which is probably the worst
0:11:24horror movie sequel of all time and
0:11:28that's saying something that's saying a
0:11:30lot
0:11:30wow that's a high bar a lot I I was
0:11:34gonna walk through the movies i was
0:11:36actually this is a plot that strong
0:11:39strong word for it and you and let you
0:11:41stop me at any point are we ready to do
0:11:44that now because I can do that now maybe
0:11:46trip through it is better than walk you
0:11:48know I i gotta disagree with the strong
0:11:50word for plot i mean the plot makes a
0:11:52lot of sense
0:11:52up until about an hour and 15 seconds
0:11:55anyway I guess what i can say is I walk
0:11:57through the scenes and that may be a
0:11:58strong word for some of the scenes like
0:12:00I'm not sure what happens here whistles
0:12:03there's a lot of that so there's gonna
0:12:04be one usually want to walk through this
0:12:05there's also skip over something and
0:12:06steals a way Jason you miss that's gonna
0:12:09happen a lot i think that may happen a
0:12:11lot of you know I so we start of course
0:12:12with the with the cheesy narrator
0:12:14narration that I just reprieved at the
0:12:16top of this show
0:12:17follow the bouncing head of Arthur Frayn
0:12:19I hadn't had a note that said that that
0:12:21we're talking about how high the
0:12:22director was there are probably a lot of
0:12:24like a essays and and papers written in
0:12:28college classes about this movie and
0:12:29I'll just say now they should have all
0:12:30got naps
0:12:32it begins with these are logo appearing
0:12:35which are I couldn't help but think
0:12:37reminds me of the spinal tap logo and in
0:12:40fact it and i find it an early example
0:12:42of marketing where they're like let's
0:12:43not just put up the name and in like a
0:12:45regular font let's like make a crazy
0:12:48like chrome logo and use that everywhere
0:12:51so we get that the big sore hot dogs
0:12:54it's going to zzz how could it not be
0:12:57awesome like heavy metal we are in the
0:12:59year 2293 where there is a floating
0:13:02stonehead flop it flies around and
0:13:05floats it gives the gift of the gun it's
0:13:07like a little dispenser that throws out
0:13:09the
0:13:10like vomits out guns it's it's a giant
0:13:12PEZ dispenser
0:13:13I just love the quantity the ridiculous
0:13:15sort of i don't even miles on it
0:13:16ridiculous with this like hundreds of
0:13:18God's like work guns
0:13:20well it's gotta last time a year right i
0:13:21mean nothing's coming back once a year
0:13:23for the harvest I actually kind of like
0:13:25that seen the the the angle and just
0:13:28like that the all this flood of guns
0:13:31just started pouring out this commotion
0:13:32was just just it was something about it
0:13:35was really compelling it was like oh my
0:13:36gosh like that's that's a lot of guns i
0:13:39give you the gift of the gun i like that
0:13:41seen up until the dialogue starts yeah i
0:13:45actually wrote and starred on speaks to
0:13:48you
0:13:49Zardoz has exposition for you you know
0:13:52and i think this film this is the
0:13:54earliest somebody says penis in any of
0:13:56the movies watching this podcast and
0:13:58that is saying something
0:13:59the the key lines being the penis is
0:14:01evil go forth and kill I was kind of
0:14:04surprised i I really wasn't expecting
0:14:06I've been told to expect so this is a
0:14:08broader issue but it's i was told this
0:14:10was a terrible nearly unwatchable film
0:14:13and I i we can talk about whether that's
0:14:15true i think it's actually a really
0:14:16compelling film however terrible it is
0:14:18yeah but I wasn't expecting the promises
0:14:20evil
0:14:21I didn't know it was I didn't know he
0:14:22was going that should have been the
0:14:24tagline quite friendly penises evil go
0:14:27forth and kill I mean you'd watch that i
0:14:29gotta say i would i would pay really
0:14:30good money for his art oz PEZ dispenser
0:14:32is seriously would shoot out
0:14:35hey a seed unfortunately
0:14:41Oh Sean Sean Connery is there he's got a
0:14:45red diaper thing on like diapers
0:14:48analyzers vendors huh
0:14:50the the guns get tossed out from the
0:14:52mountains are does and then and then
0:14:55there's an interesting narrative think
0:14:56your wishes
0:14:57Sean Connery ends up inside the inside
0:15:00the the floating head and we don't know
0:15:02until later why yes he's shot us at this
0:15:05point and so we pass out for a while
0:15:07yeah the credits finish up and then we
0:15:09return to Sean inside under a pile of
0:15:11grain
0:15:12yes I thought that the James Bond shot
0:15:15was that though it in in a number of I
0:15:18mean you can i'm sure we can argue
0:15:20forever about what the worst directorial
0:15:22decision in this movie was perfectly
0:15:23that one for me was right up there only
0:15:26like a 90-minute show the worst decision
0:15:30was action
0:15:31yeah well the whole movie is a James
0:15:34Bond film I mean he isn't he's an
0:15:36exterminator with a license to kill
0:15:39he shoots the camera right at the
0:15:40beginning of the movie in the prologue
0:15:42oh he converts the woman tube to his
0:15:45love it it's more like the prisoner with
0:15:47starring James Bond a red diaper its
0:15:49this is so prisoner e oh my god the end
0:15:52is you know this massive kill spree
0:15:54where he escapes with the woman and then
0:15:56those that have sex with her
0:15:58yeah it's a Bond film you like the main
0:16:00character of the prisoner you don't like
0:16:02me no here no well yeah he's interested
0:16:06is all that he's not that he's not
0:16:08likable in the in the in the stone ahead
0:16:12Sean Connery finds people in plastic
0:16:14bags there are a surprising number of
0:16:15shrink-wrapped naked people 44 inside of
0:16:18a stone head I think there's no I you
0:16:20don't usually see that many free grab me
0:16:23people have understood that there's like
0:16:25six or seven in there again again spinal
0:16:27tap in imagery i I've decided that the
0:16:29people who made spinal tap the totally
0:16:31took lots of cheesy things from Zardoz
0:16:34absolutely never reason for the
0:16:36shrink-wrap naked people inside the head
0:16:38as long as we know you know mister
0:16:40mister sharpie beard is the only guy who
0:16:42to the Outlands and suddenly you've got
0:16:45all these backup folks I think that's a
0:16:47blue pyro beer
0:16:48I don't know it looks like a sharp eared
0:16:49to me Glenn yeah i got inside with Eric
0:16:51I'm to America
0:16:52yes well all that that that say that
0:16:54looks like it's just pen it could be a
0:16:56sir marks a lot
0:16:57yeah he's had several hundred years to
0:17:00perfect that thing and it still shocks
0:17:01ya know you draw it on never comes off
0:17:05your mortal its permanent this permanent
0:17:07partner wasn't that the markers that
0:17:10were scratching sniffing markers the it
0:17:13doesn't smell like licorice
0:17:14yeah i think so but they don't know what
0:17:16licorice is anymore they just think it's
0:17:17the smell of the black pan that makes a
0:17:18beard
0:17:19there's licorice but it's blue that's
0:17:21the drug he was on
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0:19:36you i will say i did approve of the
0:19:38continuous odd partial nudity throughout
0:19:42this film is inexplicable in the
0:19:45quantity but also the lack of erotic
0:19:47isn't it was it was like we're going to
0:19:49show a lot of bodies until we reach the
0:19:51point where you don't even notice what
0:19:53people are wearing because we're just
0:19:54showing flesh sort of randomly on
0:19:56different points
0:19:57well maybe he's trying to make some sort
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0:20:00Eternals themselves have lost the
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0:20:06I'm gonna say this but this is when you
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0:20:10smile because there's that scene where
0:20:12they show him all the porn and and he
0:20:15does he because they're gonna get him
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0:20:22think they just drawn on with a sharpie
0:20:23yeah he's not aroused and then he looks
0:20:27at about what's-her-name charlotte
0:20:30rampling she's gotta come out Consuela
0:20:32Consuela and and and and i liked
0:20:36actually that was even I mean I subtle
0:20:38is not the word for it but i like how
0:20:39cleverly that shot where he looks at her
0:20:42and everybody's like blue around him and
0:20:45all that but that is a commentary about
0:20:46how like just looking at it it wasn't
0:20:49titillating at all
0:20:50I I you know I think maybe that is
0:20:53something that inside john boarman is
0:20:55addled mind what he was thinking was
0:20:57part of what he was trying to do with
0:20:59this movie glad you know what I'm I i
0:21:01hate to do this but I'm going to also
0:21:03agree with that everything happens to
0:21:07everyone would probably master know the
0:21:10costumes i actually I enjoyed the
0:21:12costumes not I i agree that he was kind
0:21:14of going for that sort of not quite sexy
0:21:18lots of flesh sort of look but I just I
0:21:20really like the designs of the costume
0:21:22yeah themselves yet because they were
0:21:24they were they were flattering without
0:21:26being too titillating and they just
0:21:28looked very comfortable and they breathe
0:21:31was like oh I could wear those around
0:21:33the house I've never seen so many men
0:21:35wearing so much crochet though it was it
0:21:38lift it was a friend you hear that with
0:21:41their red sort of openwork crochet that
0:21:44tied in the front and I don't obviously
0:21:47spent too long looking at it if i can
0:21:49remember exactly what it looks like but
0:21:52it was I just kept looking at it like my
0:21:55grandma would make that everyone else
0:21:57looked fantastic for some reason it just
0:22:00didn't
0:22:01got him crochet is for potted plants do
0:22:03it
0:22:04there's also the thing that everybody
0:22:06you know he's trying to show this sort
0:22:07of the fact that everyone there's no
0:22:08rawness in left two people can get
0:22:10aroused and procreation is dead and
0:22:12they're all getting bored
0:22:13everyone is super androgynous as if
0:22:15that's a bad thing like in this world
0:22:17and Raja means like I like the women the
0:22:19man all sort of look alike and they
0:22:20dress like and it's all been sort of
0:22:23desexualize to this sort of middle
0:22:24ground that's terrible his you know and
0:22:26you need a guy with still extra chest
0:22:29hairy doesn't have the the star trek
0:22:31gothic on chest plate on because he's
0:22:33needed you know he's got his own chest
0:22:35hair on the chest hair means it wouldn't
0:22:36stick know there's also the use of
0:22:40nudity and set dressing which was
0:22:42especially disturbing is that one shot
0:22:46of that of that statute it's like hey be
0:22:49the one that shot is literally like hey
0:22:50guys did you notice that the statue has
0:22:52a penis on it because you should check
0:22:55that out for a long time
0:22:58is that what you made Joey that was my
0:22:59example work I was talking about the
0:23:02weird glass room with the water
0:23:05oh yeah and stuff yeah that was that I
0:23:09don't know it was wonderfully disturbing
0:23:11their growing the dead people back at
0:23:13that because i was at a tabernacle draw
0:23:15people bag that's where Arthur Frayn
0:23:17reappears after he's fallen out of the
0:23:19stone head which hasn't happened yet in
0:23:21our narrative and no no he's one shot by
0:23:24step by Sean Connery and falls out of
0:23:25the stone head so there we got you were
0:23:27there Arthur Frayn appears and mumbles
0:23:30things in a shot and is dead except
0:23:32he'll be back we shot the army didn't
0:23:34have to fall out that was part to follow
0:23:36now he does have the very prescient line
0:23:38here how pointless at which point point
0:23:45a John Connor takes a ride in a stone
0:23:48head back to an English country village
0:23:52as yet is full of inflatable plastic
0:23:55bubbles lots of plastic bags we got more
0:23:57so we got more inflatable bubbles and
0:23:59more plastic bags full of stuff in this
0:24:01case plants and things everything in the
0:24:02seventies came wrapped in plastic
0:24:04they're all pretty much everything that
0:24:06was being passed around in the the staff
0:24:08room and on the set was wrapped in
0:24:10plastic is amazing expand
0:24:11you need to that's where he got the idea
0:24:14probably this is one of those places
0:24:15where I'm not quite sure what happens
0:24:17next the next thing that I wrote down is
0:24:18where he there's that scene where
0:24:20there's the heat like investigates
0:24:21jack-in-the-box and there are 12 boxing
0:24:24from elf and there's a bunch of clocks
0:24:25he said he wants to shoot i'm glad you
0:24:28didn't shoot the jack-in-the-box
0:24:29actually I wish he had shot the
0:24:30jack-in-the-box we had a spinning
0:24:32schedule for the Apple watch and he had
0:24:33to go upstairs and put it on and then
0:24:35you know let's give the holographic
0:24:37keeps doing the thing where the the
0:24:38apple watch like shoots the projection
0:24:40everywhere and he keeps covering it and
0:24:42great another unit and the whole time
0:24:44like every time I see that all i think
0:24:47is a wise guy yeah and because he keeps
0:24:49doing it over and over is like Mira no
0:24:52no you still there anyways never seen
0:24:55these are savage he's never seen a
0:24:56hologram ring before one of the themes
0:24:58of this film if we can call it that is
0:25:00sort of the evolution of mankind what
0:25:02comes next after homo sapiens and I
0:25:05think here's where it introduces he
0:25:07walks into the room and it sort of
0:25:08cleverly introduces that idea when he
0:25:10walks past for some reason our frames
0:25:12painted on his wall
0:25:14you know me and fall and Homo sapiens
0:25:16and then there's the eternal and then
0:25:18there's a big question mark
0:25:20you know I'm actually surprised there
0:25:21are neon lights flashing her what kind
0:25:25of drawing Sean Connery there's so like
0:25:29I said there's this is an English manor
0:25:30house it did remind me a little bit of
0:25:31the prisoner there are lots of plastic
0:25:33bubbles and a pyramid prisoners plastic
0:25:34bubbles to there's a lake he sees a
0:25:38woman he tries to shoot her cuz that's
0:25:41which is actually strange because
0:25:42shouldn't he tried to rape her because
0:25:43that's sort of his job with women he
0:25:45shoots the Mandrake's the women anyway
0:25:46he feels pain and throws his gun into
0:25:49the water no my good that was my good
0:25:51gun and explains that she asked if he
0:25:54thinks he said he's dead and and then
0:25:57there's a group of that that's a weird
0:25:59scene and then they're all debating the
0:26:00brutal which we learn is what the name
0:26:02is for the people outside the brutal and
0:26:06we meet our our our women from the
0:26:08village including Consuela who speaking
0:26:10of Lord of the Rings reminded me of its
0:26:13Charlotte Rampling write me a lot of
0:26:14Kate planchette actually mmm
0:26:16I will point out at this moment to that
0:26:19Charlotte Rampling i believe is the only
0:26:20person behind besides Sean Connery who
0:26:23survived this film
0:26:25well no no no no I'm sorry the actor of
0:26:29the actor
0:26:31oh my god she's good she's gonna hurt us
0:26:35and he's actually very good machines
0:26:36very good and she went on to be in
0:26:38everything i would say that the acting
0:26:39in this film considering everything else
0:26:41about the film is actually pretty solid
0:26:43oh yeah even you her friend is you know
0:26:45it's it's a choice but he does it well i
0:26:49will go to the vortex you're hurting me
0:26:53this is a very strange this is so we're
0:26:55learning we gotta download of all the
0:26:56weird terminology weird seventies sci-fi
0:26:59film terminology and in that way it felt
0:27:01it felt kind of at home to me because
0:27:03I've seen a bunch of these movies in
0:27:04there they're all kind of Spacey like
0:27:06this where they're like just a little
0:27:09you takes sci-fi tropes and then you add
0:27:11some hippie stuff and you say wound now
0:27:14it's cool cutting-edge sci-fi stuff for
0:27:18about four years and then it's dated so
0:27:21what's the things about the vortex for
0:27:22texts for their in the vortex are never
0:27:25clear on this terminology as the movie
0:27:27goes along and how it actually makes any
0:27:28sense but we get to learn about what
0:27:32Sean Connery's job is which is they are
0:27:35the chosen so they're the only ones were
0:27:37supposed to pass on their genetic
0:27:39material so they wait the women they
0:27:41kill all the men and are we learn about
0:27:44Arthur Frayn our friend with a sharpie
0:27:46facial hair in the beginning he was the
0:27:49only one who wanted to run the Outlands
0:27:51he's an artist he does it with
0:27:53imagination he's like Doug inning
0:27:55Doug Henning had better have magic and
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0:29:41being comfortable it's amazing how even
0:29:44though this is hundreds of years in the
0:29:45future there apparently is a really mine
0:29:48or something that they go to to create
0:29:50the world's endless supply of sort of
0:29:52business casual wear with outside the
0:29:55men are running in these techniques
0:29:57tailor-made suits that are afraid but
0:29:59apparently they've endless supply of
0:30:00them one of my notes is that and I
0:30:03actually think this is a clever thing is
0:30:05that Sean Connery and his guys are like
0:30:06sort of like bare-chested wearing their
0:30:08diaper things but the people that their
0:30:11menacing are all wearing like frayed
0:30:13like blazers and button up shirts and
0:30:18things like that like their and living
0:30:20in the ruins of recognizable sort of
0:30:22like suburbs or cities so I think that's
0:30:24fascinating like you get the sense
0:30:25initially that these are like outlaws in
0:30:27the countryside and then but the people
0:30:29that they're harassing are like just the
0:30:31regular old survivors of this
0:30:33catastrophe who we see later there's
0:30:36also that scene where they flash back to
0:30:38right after they set up the the shield
0:30:41and they're all like banging on the
0:30:42outside of the shield
0:30:43old at the at the rich and powerful and
0:30:46science ii who have gone inside this
0:30:49little bubble who were just like
0:30:51ignoring them and doing their stuff and
0:30:54I i like that i like i like that that
0:30:56aspect of it that it wasn't all just
0:30:57like total chaos outside the bubble
0:30:59there like you get the impression that
0:31:01maybe there are people who are kind of
0:31:03living a hard life but living life and
0:31:06and then that makes the the the the Sean
0:31:10Connery and his guys even worse because
0:31:12the these are like you know they're just
0:31:13randomly shooting all those people
0:31:15well I'm trying to figure how many
0:31:16people there are in the planet because I
0:31:18there's apparently a lot of them they
0:31:20all have access to suits and clothing
0:31:21and but there's enough that they can be
0:31:24killed randomly and constantly with the
0:31:26thousands of guns at Sardis belches
0:31:28forth and yet not enough to escape or
0:31:32form any kind of opposition to men with
0:31:34guns
0:31:35I don't know its metaphor I guess you
0:31:38can't equate their feelings with hours
0:31:39behind this true what would regard to
0:31:42the the the refreshing clothing within
0:31:46the vortex I I think they're pretty
0:31:47self-sufficient inside the vortex I mean
0:31:49they're capable of
0:31:51they were previously capable of growing
0:31:53all their own food but because of the
0:31:55add the apathy disease that spreading
0:31:57they have to i can't believe i spent
0:31:58this much time thinking about this since
0:31:59they don't have enough people to to
0:32:03continue to work to feed the apathetic
0:32:06so that that's when they have to begin
0:32:08to dream that that's when they have to
0:32:10get the the exterminators that to get
0:32:13the other brutal's to grow food for them
0:32:14which is what sets Connery over the edge
0:32:17eventually but so presumably they're
0:32:19they're able date they normally eat meat
0:32:21and so they they must have wool now and
0:32:25one they'll work right that's one of the
0:32:26things that uh that the friend
0:32:28complaints about is like a tired of
0:32:29working about working for hundreds of
0:32:31years feeding myself and server my right
0:32:33i mean so they they they are not you
0:32:35know they don't have a a slave class
0:32:38inside the bubble it seems they're like
0:32:40a hippie commune kind of place right in
0:32:43fact they're ticked off at him for
0:32:44getting a sean connery to serve the
0:32:46superyacht potatoes potatoes potatoes
0:32:48potatoes
0:32:51oh I like the line again really really
0:32:55on the nose which is you know that
0:32:58saying if looks could kill with though
0:33:00it's been hundreds hundreds of years we
0:33:01have saying from the outside well it's a
0:33:03saying and here they can huh
0:33:06there's a little too little too much
0:33:07well here they can because that's like
0:33:09psychic power is a is okay got it got it
0:33:13i did like the bit where they're doing
0:33:14the mental imagery the recovering it for
0:33:16Sean Connery and and then they like oh
0:33:18let's see what Arthur frame was thinking
0:33:19and we find it is called the tabernacle
0:33:22I don't think we find it at this point
0:33:23it's called that their computer pulls up
0:33:25Arthur free apparently they're
0:33:27constantly it's like it's like Netflix
0:33:29without comcast interruption
0:33:31it's constantly streaming images from
0:33:32our brains so that we can be
0:33:34reconstructed later in this in this
0:33:36glorious future and it's just our thirds
0:33:39of his point of view falling from the
0:33:41head it's really lovely actually it's
0:33:42not as pretty show himself yeah
0:33:45also it's like itself images just like
0:33:47Sean Connery can see himself while he's
0:33:50no shooting people and raping women also
0:33:52it's the mind's eye as opposed to like
0:33:54actual point of view
0:33:55yeah if you're lazy directing it can you
0:33:57see these erection here we also have so
0:33:59I'm in this section we've got the
0:34:01oversized clock that he holds and maybe
0:34:04all the monkey doesn't know how to tell
0:34:05time
0:34:06there's the pyramid that's got the
0:34:07mirror we have the guy saying saying
0:34:09actual words but they've dubbed him in
0:34:11to make him sound like he's saying
0:34:12nonsense
0:34:13what was that about they never actually
0:34:15all the end it's the future
0:34:17hey it's mike that's like their secret
0:34:19language or something that they do a
0:34:20scene later where they're all saying
0:34:22like but yeah there's a bit of em but in
0:34:25this case I get the feeling that he's
0:34:27reciting some sort of poem he's
0:34:29constructed because everybody applauds
0:34:30afterwards yeah but they dumped it all
0:34:32out and replace it with the nonsense we
0:34:34want that was actually clever i did too
0:34:36but what I didn't think that was clever
0:34:37you have a one-word explanation for that
0:34:39in its drugs i also well I had no down
0:34:45that was a the this section of the movie
0:34:47reminded me of terry gilliam movie but
0:34:50the battery the bad kind
0:34:52it's not a good time for job walking bad
0:34:55i have in my notes
0:34:56monty python's brave new world it's a
0:34:58little like that too it's a little Monty
0:34:59Python ask ya somewhere in there maybe
0:35:02world
0:35:02the TV version of brave new world isn't
0:35:04the wow that was truly truly awful
0:35:08mhm oh god yes so the the old we meet
0:35:12the old people who are who are the
0:35:13monsters old people are monsters in this
0:35:17world it's the walking old i think it's
0:35:20interesting just to go back just a
0:35:22little bit yeah see I told you it would
0:35:24happen when the Eternals learned that
0:35:28Arthur has been apparently selectively
0:35:30breeding the chosen ones to do some sort
0:35:33of you know personal eugenics project
0:35:35for his own enjoyment they just kind of
0:35:38you know
0:35:38oh ok well he's he's been up to that
0:35:40places where these enlightened people
0:35:42and I guess it's our that's sort of
0:35:44entertaining
0:35:45I think they just don't care about what
0:35:46happens in the in the Outlands like they
0:35:48said he's the only one who he's gotta
0:35:49you know he's only one who would take it
0:35:51on and you get the sense maybe he said
0:35:52alright well I get to do whatever I get
0:35:54to do out there right now like yeah
0:35:55whatever he's an artist and yet when
0:35:57said arrives from the Outlands they're
0:35:59intensely interested in what's been
0:36:01going on out there so that doesn't make
0:36:03a hell of a lot of sense it's because
0:36:04he's come to them but i'm thinking it's
0:36:05like you know some people that culture
0:36:07making macrame men's vests other than
0:36:10other people are all he's got are just
0:36:12gonna be huge ethics
0:36:14thank you every kid needs a hobby
0:36:16it'sit's not macrame him but you know
0:36:19it'll get my name is like let's put him
0:36:20in charge of the Outlands to keep him
0:36:22busy so we won't have to deal with him
0:36:23so it's stupid magic tricks and his
0:36:25bubbles and his paces painted on beard
0:36:28on the way i should say when they go to
0:36:30see the old people who are monsters he
0:36:33drags he drags friend around in a cart
0:36:35like he just pulls it looks like he's
0:36:38the horse
0:36:39I'm not dead yet I appreciated that he
0:36:41didn't object to any of this that that I
0:36:45was expecting sort of like rebellion
0:36:49your belly and yeah and he isn't he just
0:36:53sort of picks up the cart and goes and
0:36:55he then follows friend around and
0:36:56service potatoes and and that that was
0:36:59sort of interesting and it wasn't until
0:37:02I mean later in the film you see what
0:37:04his motivations are and that you know
0:37:06he's actually got a plan and whatever
0:37:08but at that point I was like well he's
0:37:10this is he's used to being in
0:37:14for all to something he's used to being
0:37:15thrown to a god so this must just be him
0:37:18like you know just sort of continuing in
0:37:21that mold which was interesting was an
0:37:23interesting choice i felt it did it seem
0:37:26to know I don't know be a lot less
0:37:29tiring than then if it had been constant
0:37:32know you you know you animal you drag me
0:37:35around no I don't want to know you do it
0:37:36you know back and just felt better than
0:37:39that i agree but they did also
0:37:43threatened to kill him
0:37:44that's what time so yeah so he probably
0:37:47didn't want to provoke them but yeah you
0:37:50like that one guy except strange I'd
0:37:54like to put in a word for friend to I
0:37:56thought the the actor but the acting and
0:37:58the part was one of the more interesting
0:38:00things like one more interesting
0:38:01characters in the movie because he was
0:38:03part of a smartass any didn't think the
0:38:05society that seriously he was also doing
0:38:07all the exposition and and I think he
0:38:10was actually the most consistently
0:38:12interesting you know non-serious
0:38:14character in the whole thing is a Greek
0:38:15aziza subversive he's not actually a
0:38:18part of the society that's unfolding
0:38:21around us season he's mocking it but
0:38:24doesn't doesn't go far enough mocking it
0:38:27i don't think you know he does it when
0:38:29he gets old later he's like hold on half
0:38:31his face is that weird like everybody
0:38:33else gets old and he he gets like the
0:38:35half McCartney treatment that makeup
0:38:39actually looked pretty decent though I
0:38:41think that was one of the better effects
0:38:42there and maybe they're like we know
0:38:44it's not gonna work for a full face so
0:38:46we'll just do a half and it'll seem
0:38:49suitably convincing just didn't explain
0:38:51it at a picnic we were going to make you
0:38:54five years older instead we made half of
0:38:56you ten years
0:38:59this is where we get so he meets the
0:39:02heats the apathetic so the the zombie
0:39:05girls who are who are just kind of like
0:39:08staring into space and the and friends
0:39:11like yeah sure take one end of fondling
0:39:14and he goes well he could yeah because
0:39:16he looks at how many sticks his hand
0:39:17under under her dress which is not hard
0:39:19because it's like he open an easy access
0:39:21and then he like takes her inside like
0:39:23throws are in a haystack and and she's
0:39:26completely dead too
0:39:27world and so he is like that that's not
0:39:29cool you know I guess he is primary
0:39:33secondary and I guess it's he like he
0:39:35likes it as a rapist he you know he
0:39:37expects resistance
0:39:38I suppose it is part of the physical
0:39:41violence that's awful but it's also is
0:39:43that thing it's like he's just almost
0:39:45disgusted by them because they don't
0:39:47have a result cases and he said is an
0:39:48interesting character because but what
0:39:50we get is he's a monster and he's a
0:39:52creation of this of this uh totally
0:39:55destroyed society that I cannot believe
0:39:56I am taking it seriously was created but
0:39:59I started looking at the track but um
0:40:01but I it is but it's also kind of a
0:40:05trick right it turns out that as we're
0:40:07going to get to in the plot here but it
0:40:09turns out he's actually been genetically
0:40:11engineered to be incredibly like smart
0:40:13and a quick learner and his read all the
0:40:15books and and later he will learn even
0:40:18more things throughout osmosis thinking
0:40:21for projection but I it so there's more
0:40:25there
0:40:26he's an interesting character in that
0:40:27way where there's like he's awful based
0:40:29on the events we see but there's also
0:40:31this other side of him that we don't
0:40:32really realize yet at this point I'm not
0:40:35sure they are completely connectable at
0:40:37all but there it is
0:40:39this is where they this is where they
0:40:41don't they they explained that they
0:40:42don't understand directions in the
0:40:44future show important and then they say
0:40:45come swales done the trick yourself haha
0:40:48in one of their fine levels of hedonism
0:40:51bot kind of us
0:40:52yeah we attend a short seminar that is
0:40:55titled the mysteries of the boner what
0:40:58we got we also in in the part where
0:41:01friend and hands that are traveling
0:41:05around on the cart we get the trial of
0:41:06George Satan which is sort of
0:41:08interesting where we see what happens to
0:41:10those who put out a negative aura during
0:41:122nd level meditation which will replace
0:41:15sleep and in this kommune right yeah
0:41:19they they have votes it's like all done
0:41:21over the internet through there a little
0:41:23little hollow rings and they just do
0:41:25their little love they do their votes at
0:41:27one point I have in my notes blah blah
0:41:28blah votes boring but the Federation his
0:41:32trial is a little more a little more
0:41:33interesting the for a dissident to see
0:41:35what happens to the dissident and we
0:41:37learned that friend it likes somebody
0:41:39who stirring the pot
0:41:40I've been making trouble because at
0:41:42least it's interesting now because
0:41:43they're bored there i mean this is a
0:41:45decayed society because they've been you
0:41:47know not aging for hundreds of years and
0:41:50people are getting a pathetic and
0:41:52dropping out or yeah there's just it's a
0:41:54ditz just this decadent decaying society
0:41:56this perfect solution for the
0:41:58advancement of humanity
0:41:59yes surprise surprise they're actually
0:42:01static admit and somebody from the
0:42:03outside needs to come in and shake them
0:42:04up this is this is the we've seen this
0:42:06story before kinda pending right Erica
0:42:08and selenium it didn't take long a lot
0:42:12of the mortals take millions of years to
0:42:14get this moment you have a hundred years
0:42:15like 200 years right
0:42:17well their new immortals remember that
0:42:19this is the first generation of the
0:42:21immortals and probably got a storyboard
0:42:22that he's not going to be a second one
0:42:24the my one there there there can't be
0:42:27because the other so they're just so
0:42:29bored another movie this reminds me of a
0:42:30sleeper this is like the serious no
0:42:33jokes version of sleeper with my way and
0:42:35he saw sleeper and said what you want to
0:42:38improve that film remove the humor
0:42:40uh-huh just get rid of humor yeah more
0:42:43boobs and unless humor can you please
0:42:46let john boarman he wrote down on a
0:42:49cocktail napkin at one point and begin
0:42:53LSD block he had it framed later let's
0:42:56see what in this section eight so they
0:42:58explain the thing about sleeping and how
0:42:59the meditation is replaced sleeping
0:43:01there there is at this point in the film
0:43:03suddenly some narration that kind of
0:43:05comes out of nowhere like they didn't
0:43:08know what was happening so they just
0:43:09dropped in some narration apparently
0:43:12just tested poorly know oddly enough
0:43:15it's actually explaining part of the
0:43:18plot of blade runner right there
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0:45:53the problem with this movie is that he
0:45:55has so many weird ideas that he wants to
0:45:57stuff in here only way too many for a
0:46:00film of this length and that is why
0:46:02roughly two-thirds of the film is taken
0:46:04up with telepathy exposition
0:46:07Gator you know where we look into
0:46:08somebody's mind and see something that
0:46:10happened earlier or you know for some
0:46:12reason somebody needs to know exactly
0:46:14how it was that the the vortexes came
0:46:17about and I mean a huge chunk of the
0:46:20movies taken up with it and I think it
0:46:21kind of if there was there was flow to
0:46:24be broken up
0:46:24yeah that definitely does it yeah this
0:46:27movie doesn't need any of that talk
0:46:29about like the vortexes and all that
0:46:31kind of feel like it
0:46:33yeah I again I can't believe I'm saying
0:46:35this but I feel like if somebody had
0:46:36rewritten the script to have it be a
0:46:38little more down-to-earth a little more
0:46:41just sort of like recognizable of the
0:46:43characters and not as much weird
0:46:45terminology i kind of felt like there
0:46:47might have been an interesting movie
0:46:48here but it is such a god-awful mess in
0:46:52it and sometimes fascinatingly a mess
0:46:55but it is just a it's just a mess and
0:46:57yeah and I think it goes back to writer
0:47:00director producer right you do whatever
0:47:02just nobody said no there's a million
0:47:05dollars now that the way it looks on
0:47:07this particular set i get the impression
0:47:08that everyone was kind of in you know
0:47:10this this seems cool man
0:47:12he seemed like a loan multi-month party
0:47:16was it really a million dollars because
0:47:18it looks like maybe 20,000 1.57 million
0:47:23dollars
0:47:24no he's not really always you don't you
0:47:26don't have to flatter any other costs I
0:47:28gotta say that they didn't they made
0:47:30that go a long way when you consider
0:47:31that ice pirates was like 11 million
0:47:33well and you gotta think Connery cost a
0:47:37little bit yeah yeah I should have the
0:47:39nissan saying this film was good though
0:47:40is actually it was so sort of both
0:47:43natural and we're decides to drive
0:47:45footing and it kind of made a lot of
0:47:47sense and and he
0:47:49Oh totally and and but it didn't look
0:47:53like a high budget film to me for
0:47:54exactly that reason and he act i wonder
0:47:58if-if some of the stuff with like that
0:48:00they're you know half of it is watching
0:48:02people make their own bread and and and
0:48:05so bed sheets to have encounters under
0:48:08and that sort of thing it was just just
0:48:10the day he went for like the low-tech
0:48:13British village with weird plastic
0:48:16inflated bags everywhere because it was
0:48:19an intern
0:48:20sting juxtaposition that also didn't
0:48:23spend you know it tried to make it look
0:48:26futuristic would have just blown the
0:48:28budget entirely so you know he ended up
0:48:32I don't know it just felt to me like the
0:48:33sort of like constraint that produces
0:48:35something interesting
0:48:36it looks me a lot like a
0:48:37middle-of-the-road seventies porn like
0:48:39just think the film is actually the
0:48:41resetting it was it very much and it's
0:48:44not very little wall panel though in
0:48:46this track was missing after the
0:48:48prisoners browser TV series i was shot
0:48:50in like a spanish village i think that
0:48:52was a very interesting look that made it
0:48:54look I'm slightly unreal given that was
0:48:56completely real to so stark and the
0:48:58Prisoner show got you completely
0:49:01off-balance because the environment both
0:49:03sort of normal and peculiar to RI some
0:49:06it was filmed in Wales actually with
0:49:08whales out there was a Spanish just know
0:49:10portmeirion wails oh yeah it's a weird
0:49:13resource very cool
0:49:14this is the point where is Zed discovers
0:49:17through by offloading book that is
0:49:19actually held by Zardoz but he's
0:49:21invisible or something that he learns
0:49:24about books and learns to read and
0:49:26discovers the secret which is that is
0:49:29our dogs just a story taken from the
0:49:32with zardari bars close the wizard of oz
0:49:36eau plot twist mind that came up because
0:49:40i didn't see it coming
0:49:41this seemed puzzled me because he's a
0:49:43maze interrogating him to get this
0:49:45information and he doesn't want to tell
0:49:46her in it it's confusing because why
0:49:49doesn't he want to tell I mean it's not
0:49:51it is why does this part matter and it
0:49:55just sort of drags for a really long
0:49:57time for this interrogation
0:49:59well he's owning up to the fact that
0:50:00he's there to destroy their society at
0:50:02this point so i would say it kind of
0:50:03does matter is I think he also feels a
0:50:06little like like ashamed and embarrassed
0:50:08at having been taken in by the by the
0:50:11giant floating Godhead that was actually
0:50:12just like the man behind the curtain
0:50:14that was that was my sort of read on it
0:50:16but yeah he's embarrassed i never
0:50:19learned to read and goals are starting i
0:50:22lost my initials
0:50:24the library you know there is there is a
0:50:27certain amount of parallel to wizard of
0:50:29oz with you know being transported to
0:50:32another place there's the cyclone that
0:50:34takes Arthur Frayn away in the beginning
0:50:36there's you know the the manor house is
0:50:39kinda like the Emerald City and and then
0:50:42he discovers the you know pay no
0:50:44attention to the man behind the curtain
0:50:45maker emerald bread the bread is going
0:50:48to bed
0:50:49yeah nice together it all ties together
0:50:52old bread what it all makes sense
0:50:55why'd ya we're going to stop talking
0:50:57pretty soon we're going to like this
0:50:59movie and I can't alone 0 unit could not
0:51:01allow that to happen
0:51:02that's the magic of the film Jason
0:51:04there's something there you gotta admit
0:51:06he gets kid gets caught
0:51:07uh and and yet showing his perhaps
0:51:10mutant power he sort of escapes Consuela
0:51:14power a little bit but is blinded but
0:51:16then they put like eyedrops in them or
0:51:17something in his we missed me missed my
0:51:19friend gets only we talk about that my
0:51:21friend gets senile old yeah we did we
0:51:23skip that over i think yes he didn't
0:51:25want to go to level two
0:51:26man it was the most ridiculous thing
0:51:28that always get out because that's the
0:51:30whole thing where they give him like the
0:51:31brute weird fires jazzy's it's like they
0:51:35took a transport the cast of Godspell
0:51:37from several traveling companies in one
0:51:39room and the parachute system is no I
0:51:43don't want to go to show you looked up
0:51:48roger ebert's review and and the last
0:51:50line of the review it's brilliant uses
0:51:52zeros is a movie that will certainly aid
0:51:55you two hours that scene with them with
0:51:59the jazz hands and stuff actually it
0:52:01kind of at the very beginning we have
0:52:03the floating head and the crazy
0:52:04monologue i just turned to Stephen and I
0:52:06said is this communicator and when this
0:52:10team came along with jazz hands I turned
0:52:12back to Stephen and said this is
0:52:13community are you're the Christ you're
0:52:16the great Jesus Christ be uh you have a
0:52:20second level although that's his
0:52:21rebellion right that he's saying i'm
0:52:23tired of you people
0:52:24what you gonna do to me and the answer
0:52:26is we're going to age you on half of
0:52:27your face
0:52:29well I think they actually kill him here
0:52:31which is pitches which eventually here's
0:52:33to die at that point I assume that he
0:52:35was a lot
0:52:36reconstructed in the tabernacle as half
0:52:38old yeah I guess that's I guess that's
0:52:40it or do they repair him or whatever I'm
0:52:43i was unclear on whether they always
0:52:45just died or whether they fix them and
0:52:46all that be right
0:52:47maybe so maybe they reconstitute him and
0:52:49he's just sort of halfway broken I just
0:52:51study past I think I think you're you're
0:52:53giving it continuity that it doesn't
0:52:55deserve you be making an argument that's
0:52:58what he's mentioned earlier that he's
0:53:00killed himself on sun several occasions
0:53:02right ankle just reconstruct them so
0:53:04here we make some sense be mind-blown
0:53:06and then taken away to be aged this is
0:53:08this is around at the point in the movie
0:53:10by the way where somebody says speaking
0:53:12of tropes that we are going to see a lot
0:53:14and have seen a lot literally stay say
0:53:17to sean connery you are the one no
0:53:20liberated yep yep Stephen turn to me I'm
0:53:25like yep it's the major favor and then
0:53:28she gives him will be that's right at
0:53:31least 11 so why not leave will help you
0:53:33at an unknown time in the future sleep
0:53:35will help you
0:53:35why did he go blind she messed up his
0:53:38head man
0:53:39yeah it was but it was observed line
0:53:40blitz he was able to resist her to a
0:53:43certain extent but he was blinded in the
0:53:45process
0:53:45IC and then for some reason instead of
0:53:47immediately killed killing him they
0:53:49allow the lady to take him off to the
0:53:50hydroponic bubble
0:53:51yes can I promise and give him a magical
0:53:54leaf it makes perfect sense glad you
0:53:57believe you should be recapping this
0:53:59that that that was that was perfect that
0:54:01was washed twice and it actually made
0:54:02some sense on the second viewing only
0:54:04know probably I think browsers a bad
0:54:06side you want to take us the rest of the
0:54:08way because you know day you just dump
0:54:11it all right i prefer to interrupt you
0:54:12Jason ok the world was dying which was
0:54:17good and put it into plastic tent which
0:54:22is which is fascinating to so we EV is
0:54:24this freak a plastic tent and a nail
0:54:27pylon and hands-on in the plastic and
0:54:29there's a moment where people are like
0:54:30okay it's okay he's in the plants now he
0:54:31can't get out of the plastic and
0:54:32reconstructive plastic they're like it
0:54:34can't be done
0:54:36you could you can trip the plastic bag
0:54:38if you use saran wrap oh my god that I
0:54:42just how involved he is he could never
0:54:43have like 50 he's got mutiny plastic
0:54:46ripping plat power is this guy
0:54:49I I there's a there's a weird scene
0:54:51where he is now he's on the run and he
0:54:53goes up to the shield and he's pushing
0:54:55against the shield and he he does like
0:54:56the hand signal to his guys on the
0:54:58outside you like how he's gotta plan
0:55:00this is all part of the plan they set
0:55:02the building on fire to smoke them out
0:55:03that doesn't really work
0:55:05there's there's a bunch of chases I like
0:55:07the scene where the horses are running
0:55:08along the side of the hill and so he
0:55:09just likes kids on his butt down there
0:55:11down the angle of the hill to get in
0:55:13front of them i thought that was funny
0:55:14and I wanted how many takes they had to
0:55:15do where his diaper kept coming off man
0:55:18yeah i'm not going to change enough for
0:55:21dish so he's on the run the apathetic
0:55:23scum to him
0:55:24it turns out his I don't know sweat make
0:55:27them come awake and then they all start
0:55:29kissing each other because life flows
0:55:31out of you and into us as they say
0:55:34what's interesting here is the feet that
0:55:35the dropouts have tuned in and turned on
0:55:38at that point what a turn about that
0:55:41wasn't Stephen tweeted that
0:55:43Zardoz is the soft core porn parody of
0:55:46itself
0:55:47yeah you can work it took a monkey yeah
0:55:51I I thought it was that was a bizarre
0:55:53scene where they're all just like I
0:55:55touched your sweat and now i'm awake and
0:55:56now i will touch my hand with your sweat
0:55:58onto them and we will all yeah that was
0:56:01I was wondering where that scene was
0:56:02going said it's like that psychotropic
0:56:04frog is another great moment when
0:56:07they're looking on though where they're
0:56:08passing around his sweat and we get a
0:56:10close-up on Seth's face and the look on
0:56:12his face a crisis like what the hell is
0:56:14that was actually Connery on the set
0:56:18that wasn't forget it forget it said
0:56:20it's a pathetic you'd appreciate that
0:56:23they showed that they showed you know
0:56:24women kissing women men kissing I
0:56:26noticed that surround that swell so it
0:56:28was a gala Therrien so this is the
0:56:30climax of the movie i guess the old
0:56:32people and the apathetic sarkar are out
0:56:35and about
0:56:36they're all killing people and having
0:56:38sex Sean Connery is dressed up like a
0:56:41like a like a bride with a veil because
0:56:45that's what was that a very clever
0:56:46little disguise of his no one will
0:56:49figure out why they're there is this so
0:56:52I'm just again just stop me whenever I
0:56:54the line i wrote down here was
0:56:56we will touch teach you and you will
0:56:58give us your seed ok so he basically
0:57:00what's happening is they have sex with
0:57:02him while they teaching math and that
0:57:04goes on for a long time because there's
0:57:06a lot of math there's a lot of poetry
0:57:07and there's some explanation for why
0:57:09this has happened because it's through
0:57:10osmosis Steve they're learning through
0:57:12osmosis but we have to explain why this
0:57:14is all going on which is that is is that
0:57:16made the scientists still believes that
0:57:18they could not destroy the vortex and
0:57:21that with his his enlightened jeans they
0:57:24could build a better breathe better
0:57:25society and right and so the idea is to
0:57:28continue on to whatever is next for
0:57:30humanity by going to give they're going
0:57:32to give him all their knowledge and
0:57:34getting knowledge is going to impress
0:57:36you in the mood yeah yeah they're
0:57:37basically there's a spin there that i
0:57:39thought was telling to take it seriously
0:57:41for one second is that they're like it
0:57:43turned out we were too imperfect vessels
0:57:45like we weren't strong enough because
0:57:47we're all endogenous or women or
0:57:48whatever it was like this little i think
0:57:50a sexist or some kind of throw away
0:57:52which is like we were so weak but you
0:57:54were a virile man you can take all this
0:57:56knowledge that you have and we don't
0:57:57have you got all the chest hair
0:57:58yeah also point out that i like the
0:58:01projection apparently you learn by
0:58:02having things projected a naked bodies i
0:58:04know that work for me in school I really
0:58:06like that sequence by the way with the
0:58:08great works of art and the equations
0:58:09being projected on the people i actually
0:58:11thought that was pretty solid insane but
0:58:14side if the best 2001 scene in this
0:58:16movie of the many 2001 scenes in this
0:58:19movie I I thought it was it I thought it
0:58:20was weird and interesting yeah it goes
0:58:22on about twice as long as it meets
0:58:24always absolutely true is so the touch
0:58:27teach him he gives them their seat it
0:58:29seems like a fair trade and then and
0:58:31then my notes reduce are reduced to
0:58:33things like phrases like kill the
0:58:35tabernacle and they burst into the
0:58:38building and Consuela comes in and she's
0:58:40gonna stab him but she can't bear to or
0:58:42uses his mind powers to stop her
0:58:44no just like they did with him when he
0:58:47had the gun earlier and and this leads
0:58:49up to a nice moment where while talking
0:58:51to tabernacle the computer that controls
0:58:53everything which gave me a real for
0:58:56Harlan Ellison people out there little I
0:58:59have no mouth and I must scream kind of
0:59:00vibe I got this point in the movie yeah
0:59:02I can see that and a little bit of
0:59:04hitchhikers guide
0:59:06yeah yeah which it just seemed that the
0:59:08darkness of its like
0:59:10computer the center is sort of like I've
0:59:12got my little people who live in my
0:59:13plastic bubble and i'm going to control
0:59:15them and do what they want and sean
0:59:16connery look cinemas I think your
0:59:19crystal got more of a Kirk vibe here
0:59:24where he's going to destroy the computer
0:59:26in charge of paradise to save everyone
0:59:28Connery thinks that you're your society
0:59:30is stupid and needs to be destroyed
0:59:32clearly the flash hear that about how
0:59:35the tabernacle is created and that sort
0:59:36of like brief scene that seems like it's
0:59:38a totally different movie makes the guy
0:59:40creates the society explains what's
0:59:42going on where they dissolve the from
0:59:43the old people to when they were not old
0:59:45people and the and the the new
0:59:47generation is young and it's laters yeah
0:59:50I wanted to see that movie I was a
0:59:52totally different like set and see me if
0:59:55you don't of course and this is a MH
0:59:56channel on with the movie with the the
0:59:59village right
0:59:59village right
1:00:00is not part of the plot delicious
1:00:03yeah that the toys that was that it's
1:00:05it's not like spoiler was really sorry
1:00:08sorry sorry that movie story 12 years
1:00:11old your what we learn in this point
1:00:13that this vortex is actually a spaceship
1:00:18yeah that was yeah another dead end and
1:00:21he says oh yeah we flew around but you
1:00:23know it was just another dead end
1:00:24yeah what's the point of that it was so
1:00:27it's another get in i guess i guess it
1:00:29was quite literally did we get the part
1:00:31here to I've lost complete track of the
1:00:33plot where this Christmas embedded in
1:00:35the foreheads and the laser of lost
1:00:37track of what's going on this was the
1:00:39point in the movie or I just sort of
1:00:41gave up on holding two onto any threads
1:00:44and trying to follow him
1:00:46it just was just like okay there are
1:00:49crystals he's holding the crystals
1:00:50crystals and people's foreheads he's
1:00:52inside a crystal now there's four of him
1:00:54whatever it's just yeah that this is
1:00:56where I just ended up writing down weird
1:00:58hall of mirrors pianist this is this is
1:01:02this is the part of the movie that makes
1:01:04no sense
1:01:05honestly on my second viewing I could
1:01:07make I could make some sense of the
1:01:09first hour and fifteen i could make
1:01:11sense of the last maybe 10 minutes and
1:01:14then this whole segment is just you know
1:01:16why even try
1:01:18yeah the any also have so many things
1:01:21that don't really seem to go anywhere
1:01:23he's just like adding more scenes in
1:01:24here because there's the whole thing
1:01:25with the spherical crystal thing these
1:01:29handed by Arthur Frayn has been
1:01:31reconstituted with his like riddling
1:01:33explanation and you stabbed him with the
1:01:35fake life I hated that
1:01:36yeah and then I kind of liked that it
1:01:40was him he's a trickster man it felt
1:01:43very um this is weird parallel to make
1:01:49but Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are
1:01:51dead that at that point he was the the
1:01:53oh I forget the name of the character
1:01:55the one who was in Rosencrantz and
1:01:56Guildenstern about the player that he
1:01:58was when he was the one who was who was
1:02:01just sort of exploded like to be the
1:02:03arch explainer and to sort of undercut
1:02:06everything while telling you the truth
1:02:08the same time I have to Richard Dreyfuss
1:02:10from the movie if you can
1:02:12transit helping you can have blood and
1:02:15comedy and but blood is compulsory right
1:02:18after the holiday mirrors we got a great
1:02:19another classic sorry i was line which
1:02:21is stay close to me inside my aura which
1:02:27is apparently like six people long as
1:02:30it's not expressed up when he's got a
1:02:31huge aura it's just some people have
1:02:34longer or as a manly man he's got a
1:02:36large or as you probably in the Eternals
1:02:39is they couldn't get up a good aura read
1:02:41know he's here i'll he he exudes an aura
1:02:44you can smell eyes are on you can smell
1:02:47it then huh
1:02:48this is his newfound aura is capable of
1:02:50rewinding the movie if you ideally back
1:02:52legs longer the issues i don't know
1:02:56they're just not in here anymore and
1:02:57they're outside they're like hehe we
1:02:59just stay close to me we're going to go
1:03:00backward in time and they escaped the
1:03:01hell I mean it's no dumber than the rest
1:03:03of the left and then suddenly the stone
1:03:06head appears and just crashes because
1:03:08like they're like hey remember the stone
1:03:09head there it is then dried the vortex
1:03:11yeah well if you don't have cancer
1:03:13particles milkman obviously goes down
1:03:15boom really you think it should have
1:03:17like exploded just really violently we
1:03:19don't have any involvement stuff that
1:03:20was inside
1:03:21well the camera to zoom in and out very
1:03:23quickly to indicate the 01 didn't invent
1:03:27it shakes everything is getting in the
1:03:29room there's a really lackluster Star
1:03:31Trek bridge shake this weather like the
1:03:34I suppose there's an explosion so we
1:03:36should shake a little half-heartedly
1:03:39it's just the lens other people stand in
1:03:41place
1:03:42yeah another great lines a deliberate me
1:03:45now but then he can't he can't shoot i
1:03:50can't do it because he's more advanced
1:03:53now or something
1:03:54he's been had his he's much thought he
1:03:56and karate load on a shirt and he can't
1:03:59do anymore but his that I am is gone or
1:04:02something yeah so his buddies in these
1:04:04artists master though they're still just
1:04:06killers so they come in and they kill
1:04:08everybody major lame to me Danny then
1:04:12the Immortals just want to die
1:04:13this seems pretty much like the sam
1:04:15peckinpah parody from money pie from
1:04:17monty python yes they just left the
1:04:19piano players hands being cut off
1:04:22it's hilarious because they're all
1:04:23crawling around going to kill me too i
1:04:25want to die
1:04:26no don't shoot him first should be my
1:04:28mic notes here are the string ensemble
1:04:30is a nice touch
1:04:31I thought that was great it's the music
1:04:33is playing and they're playing and as
1:04:35they kill the music doesn't stop the
1:04:37music keeps playing the soundtrack music
1:04:39and I didn't like that I wanted it to be
1:04:41like now there's only two of the plan
1:04:42not one complaint I was no more music
1:04:45but that didn't happen i think it's
1:04:47interesting that as they're all dying
1:04:48they they're all shouting said that much
1:04:51as they want shouted zard on the outlet
1:04:53was that is the last thing you say is
1:04:55the last letter of the alphabet
1:04:57well he's there God now he's got disease
1:04:59for it for a while he's one of them
1:05:01well he's he said earlier said for
1:05:03Zardoz when he introduces themselves
1:05:05through which made me wonder what the
1:05:07rest of them are named is it like
1:05:09everyone else's is like Todd and and
1:05:12Jeff and he's like the only one who
1:05:14could be maybe and meeting me in that
1:05:17way men maybe minute like hello I'm Zed
1:05:19force our dogs have you considered
1:05:21brings our senior year sorry i was about
1:05:24citizen science don't head is out and
1:05:26it's our does ology that's right I've
1:05:29got a pamphlet will be coming to your
1:05:30door will even shoot you or give you the
1:05:32pamphlet know it's called diaper ethics
1:05:38I hurt your daughter so the gas out you
1:05:45monsters you blew up the gas balloons
1:05:48that were near the manor house know what
1:05:52we missed the we missed the bit where
1:05:53they're walking with Arthur Frayn and he
1:05:55explains his diabolical plan to
1:05:58yeah that's true to your the vortex mr.
1:06:00which we've sort of calculated out by
1:06:02now but this is the this is the moment
1:06:03where he explains that this and and and
1:06:06and that he has the plan to sean connery
1:06:08Sean Connery set because he says he says
1:06:10oh and you know i manipulated you to do
1:06:13all these things and sean connery's yeah
1:06:14i talked to the guy who manipulated you
1:06:16into doing all those things so haha in
1:06:18my notice that point was no really when
1:06:20did that happen exactly because i don't
1:06:22think i was here for them well that was
1:06:24tabernacle is is how i read that is
1:06:26where the tabernacle didn't direct or
1:06:29did in rescuing into nor did it I i
1:06:32think i think there's something that
1:06:33they forgot to put in there maybe didn't
1:06:35and I kind of always the guy the older
1:06:37guy who founded the colony isn't that
1:06:39what he talked to him and his house or
1:06:40some kind of moment when the ends of the
1:06:42crystal were supposed to understand so
1:06:44the old guy explains that that that
1:06:47nature is who rebelled against the
1:06:49vortex bottles the vortex is an
1:06:52abomination against nature any chances
1:06:54we force the hand of evolution so I
1:06:56guess really is the forces of nature and
1:06:58evolution but as to when said had this
1:07:00discussion with nature or evolution I
1:07:02missed that part of tabernacle was hot
1:07:04and it's not he doesn't say discussion
1:07:06he says I looked into the mind of
1:07:08whoever it was tabernacle
1:07:10yeah amber taking notes at this point
1:07:12Eric I'm impressed and I just remember
1:07:14dialogue i don't know i didn't write
1:07:16anything down for this one
1:07:17maybe that was when everyone was voting
1:07:19and all the mirrors and clean Suellen
1:07:21it's just sort of like rocking back and
1:07:24forth and gods world believe me I don't
1:07:27want to remember the dialogue this gonna
1:07:29scrub it out somehow they close to me
1:07:31inside my aura everybody please out into
1:07:35the Outland presumably some of them are
1:07:37bearing the children of said and his his
1:07:41uh his GF mutant genes will live on and
1:07:44create a new society that will be
1:07:46stronger but he can't go there instead
1:07:48he and Consuela go into a cave
1:07:50I guess it's the cave
1:07:52the stone head I don't know yeah yeah
1:07:53and still had yeah
1:07:55oh that's it it really yeah they go
1:07:57running off you can see part of the head
1:07:58and they run into it yeah yeah yeah so
1:08:01they're instant living in the stone head
1:08:03that would be a sitcom right and they
1:08:05then they put on some clothes this is
1:08:08different like grown-up clothes and and
1:08:10she has the baby and then we have
1:08:11another great 2001 ask scene where they
1:08:14sit there it's also very much like it's
1:08:17the end of ice pirates was just as much
1:08:19like an ad i saw earlier today
1:08:21yeah it's into good cresselia should get
1:08:23a life to have an episode ended and like
1:08:25this where people are sitting on a bench
1:08:26turning into skeletons and that's what
1:08:27happens they they get older and their
1:08:29son grows up and he and then they hugged
1:08:31him goodbye and he leaves and then they
1:08:33get even older and then they turn into
1:08:34skeletons and then they're like amount
1:08:36of bones and their dust and that last
1:08:39part i didn't expect the dust I'm like
1:08:41skeletons ok and then they totally
1:08:43decomposed and I thought okay that's
1:08:45that take and then we zoom in on some
1:08:46paintings of hands and we've never seen
1:08:48before never no context for yeah I
1:08:51didn't get that at all
1:08:52ya na a rusty gun they were holding did
1:08:55they die holding hands and we have them
1:08:56die hole and then the other one when
1:08:58they were new they were about to die
1:08:59they held their hand and then a diary or
1:09:01did they die because they were a time
1:09:02for taxes they just spent their whole
1:09:04lives sitting there doing holding hands
1:09:06okay yeah they've seen it all that and
1:09:09so that makes as much sense as anything
1:09:10else in this movie so it was great and
1:09:11then it's the end of the movie i'm
1:09:12looking at the Times stamp on the movie
1:09:14and I'm like and it's like and then dust
1:09:16and then compute all right artists will
1:09:20return in diversity zardosi and no time
1:09:23for end credits
1:09:25that's our does what does hard-ons I
1:09:27liked it so what did everybody to be
1:09:29okay tell me don't tell me
1:09:31oh why didn't I already tell you that
1:09:33the last hours
1:09:35oh I think it's insane and i think it's
1:09:38got a lot of things individually that
1:09:40are clever and could have made a good
1:09:41movie i think it's for all its insanity
1:09:44there's enough there that you sit around
1:09:46for a little while and you think about
1:09:48it and you try and work out how it works
1:09:50you fail but you try each well I have
1:09:52eventually I think you can pick up on
1:09:54some little threads here the problem is
1:09:56there's there's he's just trying to cram
1:09:57too much in and if he had may be stuck
1:10:00to one of those threads and explore it a
1:10:01little bit it would have worked as a
1:10:03movie better
1:10:04as it was you know he's just he's he's
1:10:07throwing everything possible
1:10:09sci fi at the wall and not even started
1:10:11hanging around to see what sticks and so
1:10:13I mean it is a glorious mess and i think
1:10:17a well-made mess given the budget and
1:10:20given given that it is a mess and and
1:10:24I'm not sure I'll ever watch it again
1:10:25but I'm glad I did and and I enjoyed the
1:10:32second viewing which I I was fairly sure
1:10:34after watching the first one and being
1:10:36completely non plus that when i went
1:10:39back to it i would go yeah it turns out
1:10:41this was shit but I i actually liked it
1:10:45better act after the second viewing and
1:10:47and who knows maybe i'll give it another
1:10:48go at some point and like it even more
1:10:50I can't believe I'd I didn't even
1:10:52mention the woman with the princess leia
1:10:54hair hair do
1:10:55oh yeah like prep preceding star wars by
1:10:59only a few years she had the exact same
1:11:01hairdo
1:11:02there's a lot of cookie hairdo stuff
1:11:03going yeah and potatoes when you don't
1:11:05have any money for any actual props room
1:11:08set
1:11:08what did what everybody else with the
1:11:10what's the final final judgments here so
1:11:13to speak David Laura what do you what do
1:11:15you think
1:11:15hey I want to say he sort of likes it
1:11:19but he's afraid I I sort of like some of
1:11:22the ideas and themes that are there and
1:11:24just wish he had been sober you know I
1:11:29mean the other the other line from roger
1:11:31ebert the love to actually starts the
1:11:33review with this and I just here Roger
1:11:36Ebert's voice inflection and everything
1:11:38just john boarman Zardoz is a genuinely
1:11:42quirky movie could say that far
1:11:46yeah okay yeah i'm i'm kinda with my son
1:11:51with you know shooting the cameraman and
1:11:53ending right there
1:11:54Erica what do you think well you know I
1:11:59it was interesting hearing him talk
1:12:01about seeing this as as as a younger
1:12:03person because I i think if i had seen
1:12:05it when I was much much younger I could
1:12:08I could maybe see myself buying into
1:12:10this and getting into the weirdness and
1:12:11just I mean like I said the idea it's
1:12:14it's an old trope and it's been done a
1:12:16million
1:12:16times but if I had caught it before i
1:12:18had read all of the golden age in in New
1:12:21Wave syfy that I've read between then
1:12:23and now maybe I would have liked it
1:12:25because I wouldn't have seen it done
1:12:27better in other ways but I just I can't
1:12:30get past I can't get past the the
1:12:33tiredness of that idea and and I guess I
1:12:37don't always mind it sometimes I enjoy
1:12:40it but when it's it's something like
1:12:42this where it's just the big dude bro
1:12:45manly man hunk figure who is who is
1:12:48coming in to save the day and show
1:12:51everyone the error of their ways it just
1:12:52gets on my nerves and they didn't I feel
1:12:55like they were trying to show that Sean
1:12:57Connery's character evolved throughout
1:12:59this and became Odin a different
1:13:01character he can't shoot the gun at the
1:13:03end but we don't get anything in between
1:13:05showing that this is happening
1:13:07maybe if he had showed any inner life at
1:13:09all through that movie is just include
1:13:12is completely flat there is no effect in
1:13:14his performance whatsoever so I didn't
1:13:16buy that so it just it ended up but
1:13:19despite you know some interesting sets
1:13:21and and and i didn't have to watch it a
1:13:23second time to feel that the plot kind
1:13:25of hung together
1:13:26I mean it made sense to me was a story
1:13:28like I feel like I was cheated because i
1:13:30read the same story plenty times before
1:13:32so I kind of understood what they were
1:13:34what they were going for it just it was
1:13:37it was built on a framework that was
1:13:38that was bound to lose for me I think
1:13:41pretty much his inner inner life in the
1:13:43whole movie is I'm getting a paycheck
1:13:45yeah yeah yeahs his story arc is like an
1:13:48outline which is that basically things
1:13:49are done to him that supposedly advance
1:13:51him as a person but it's just things
1:13:53that are done to him that though you
1:13:54know all the he showed books and then
1:13:57later he has his touch learning whatever
1:14:00and all those things happen but it sees
1:14:02his passive yeah for almost the entire
1:14:04thing
1:14:05so you're saying he's a vessel of other
1:14:07people's ambitions can stop that if I
1:14:10think I think the worst part two is the
1:14:13fact that you know the title and a good
1:14:15chunk of the ideas movie was taken from
1:14:18The Wizard of Oz something which I love
1:14:20and adore deeply and I feel like it's
1:14:21been soiled
1:14:23it's never you know you're never gonna
1:14:25forget now that you can't spell Zardoz
1:14:27without the wizard of oz I would like to
1:14:30maybe I need to take some drugs so I can
1:14:32forget that Joe Joe what's your verdict
1:14:35on this 1i my I'm on Team America still
1:14:39firmly nothing is really suede that but
1:14:42you know i can i can get on board with a
1:14:46maybe there's the ambition to do things
1:14:48but I feel like it's the ambition that a
1:14:51college fine arts student has and it
1:14:54doesn't follow through on the ambition
1:14:57so I can't give him like any any points
1:15:00for the effort that he said he's trying
1:15:02to show here and I I don't enjoy his
1:15:05movie in fairness he's probably just as
1:15:07doped up as your average college fine
1:15:09arts student so it makes you so probably
1:15:11if not more so and have to suggest more
1:15:14so you compare this to the THX 1138
1:15:17yeah i mean there are there lots of
1:15:18totally bizarre so yeah who's this this
1:15:20is one of them Hollywood it 10
1:15:22what's your final verdict on this 1i
1:15:25gosh i think if I'd only seen the first
1:15:28half of this movie i would have been
1:15:31much more for it but the way it's so
1:15:33thoroughly falls apart and becomes less
1:15:38than the sum of its parts by the end of
1:15:40it just was really disappointing to me
1:15:44that that you know what what I took away
1:15:48from it was this sort of weird mystical
1:15:53defense of some really bad philosophy
1:15:55and completely awful sexual politics and
1:16:00all I and that disappointed me in a way
1:16:05that I was not expecting at all i was
1:16:07expecting to be sort of like haha look
1:16:11at the awful seventies movie and some of
1:16:14it did that in a way that was much more
1:16:16adorable than I thought it was going to
1:16:18be which made it feel which made me feel
1:16:21even more like depressed when by the end
1:16:23I was like well I've just given up
1:16:25completely
1:16:26there's potential there yeah yeah that's
1:16:29the thing that's what makes me sort of
1:16:30upset is that there would I don't know
1:16:33some
1:16:34they were some bits in here that were
1:16:36like really really intriguing and
1:16:40awesome even you know and I'm some of it
1:16:43was just some of the visual stuff was
1:16:46was really interesting to me but in the
1:16:49end it's like yeah i'm i'm i'm with
1:16:52Erica I'm with like most of you I guess
1:16:55stay inside my aura you gonna actually
1:16:59get sooo no I can't believe I just did
1:17:02that is our dogs you did it all right
1:17:07Glenn explain explain yourself
1:17:10well now it's time to be revealed by
1:17:12travelpod well you know I've been
1:17:15avoiding watching this movie for years
1:17:16because it looked so so awful and I
1:17:19heard it was terrible so I thought well
1:17:21this is one of these things are never
1:17:22gonna watch but i liked Highlander and i
1:17:26watch that a million times of high
1:17:27school possibly under the influence on
1:17:28recreational vehicles or you're on a TV
1:17:33wyd vehicles for the bride Winnebagos
1:17:35well you know they say the computers
1:17:37bicycle for the mind and I so I and
1:17:41you're like a lot of movies that were
1:17:42from this era in somewhere more or less
1:17:44ambitious so I went into this thinking
1:17:46like oh god am I getting so i turn the
1:17:47thing on and I thought this is so much
1:17:49more fascinating and intriguing than I
1:17:51thought I expected to be unwatchable and
1:17:54ridiculous and instead i kept being
1:17:55intrigued by ideas and I sort of hate
1:17:57myself for it too but I watched it was
1:17:59interesting was laughing and their time
1:18:00thinking and laughing with him here he
1:18:03wants me to have this feeling that I'm
1:18:04like he's off his rocker
1:18:06the thing I think that decides for me
1:18:08why would say I I'm glad I saw the film
1:18:10i can't say i mean i saw that i liked in
1:18:13its awfulness
1:18:14it's like a you know its high is that
1:18:17there's no repercussion for violence
1:18:19right so clockwork orange it has the
1:18:21advantage of being written by brilliant
1:18:22novelists right in the annotation is by
1:18:24Stanley Kubrick so it's also an amazing
1:18:27film right clockwork orange about the
1:18:29nature of violence and it's about
1:18:30somebody in the society in that role of
1:18:32like how societies change to become
1:18:34corrupt and so forth and how society
1:18:36tries to structure kind of take the
1:18:37perfect monster
1:18:39and whatever so there's a repercussion
1:18:40of the end we are all complicit in the
1:18:42violence and act Alex commits right
1:18:44we're all in it at the end of the film
1:18:45were in that trench as he's committing
1:18:48an act of violence against the woman
1:18:49it's terrible and everyone's applauding
1:18:51at the top right like that is a real
1:18:52thing
1:18:53sorry just doesn't have that moment and
1:18:55because it doesn't i think it you know
1:18:56falls for that reason that that is that
1:18:59it is just a plot mechanism in the
1:19:00violence moves along and so there are
1:19:02interesting aspects of it but i think i
1:19:04think i have come to a conclusion after
1:19:06listening to everyone i think i have
1:19:07achieved level to consciousness i will
1:19:09not go to level 2 with you
1:19:11jazzy let's go with my verdict is it's
1:19:15it's a better crazy Rob that I thought
1:19:18but the decree of sort of like rape and
1:19:20murder and violence and the extolling of
1:19:22a character he doesn't seem to have any
1:19:23redeeming trait or character motivation
1:19:25or or inner life makes it feel kind of
1:19:28bad move that standpoint it's hard to
1:19:30recommend it for its camp but it is
1:19:32pretty interesting
1:19:33yeah and I i would say am I not quite
1:19:36sure i would call it a bad movie
1:19:39it is a really weird movie and it's not
1:19:41certainly not a good movie i would
1:19:43probably watch it looks like a good
1:19:46movie
1:19:46no but I probably watch it right and
1:19:48categories here Jace yeah well no it's
1:19:50it's it's well so I its spookily good
1:19:54it's it's spooky good bad no it's not it
1:19:58does not fit cleanly into any given no
1:20:00I'm fine i find it a very strange film
1:20:02um I like parts of it like like I'm
1:20:05fascinated
1:20:06I'm fascinated by the how it looks I i
1:20:10fight i feel like there was something
1:20:11that could have been good here but in
1:20:14the end it's just weird and when we you
1:20:16know we we can joke about things like it
1:20:18looks like an art students project but
1:20:20it really does feel like that it feels
1:20:21like somebody had a bunch of images and
1:20:23wacky ideas and they basically at some
1:20:26points it let's just throw all this crap
1:20:27up there and maybe it'll all work and it
1:20:31doesn't love it and it does number fifth
1:20:32fifth element fifth element is sort of
1:20:34that way it's a silly film and it's kind
1:20:37of what was a look pretty persistent
1:20:39yeah i don't remember the story right
1:20:42like he thought the slap in high school
1:20:43he had this idea and then he got become
1:20:46a famous filmmaker to make a ridiculous
1:20:48the right so the movie reads like
1:20:49something out of high school kids
1:20:50notebook is it
1:20:51related to that field to its ok here's a
1:20:53bunch of money on this thing has been
1:20:54running around my head since I was
1:20:56prepubescent our only hope just postpone
1:20:58I was here well yeah I was drawing that
1:21:00floating stone head on my own I peachy
1:21:02color now I can make it happen
1:21:07they threw me out of school for saying
1:21:08the penis is evil now only 300 of them
1:21:10all right we've reached the end of this
1:21:14edition of the uncomfortable rocket
1:21:16surgery dealing with the seventies and i
1:21:17realize i would like to thank my guests
1:21:19for watching Zardoz because you didn't
1:21:22have to do it and I'm appreciating that
1:21:24you did David Laura thank you for being
1:21:26here
1:21:27Oh as always thank you for having uh
1:21:29Erica and sign thank you so much for
1:21:31joining us
1:21:33wow that thank you now i have to go pay
1:21:35my spouse the four dollar rental fee for
1:21:37Glenn do it 0 square cast somebody Joe
1:21:43steal you are the one the Liberator
1:21:44that's a lot of pressure
1:21:48I think I'd rather be an apathetic
1:21:50thanks but no thanks for having you
1:21:52think you're not sure though
1:21:54yeah but I was walking on that or
1:21:56whatever whatever works is fine
1:21:58fair enough i go and Fleischmann thank
1:22:00you for your your enthusiasm about
1:22:03Zardoz I just say the tabernacle maybe
1:22:06do it Steve let's do I think you already
1:22:09i don't think you did Jason well no
1:22:11thanks to you then no no thank you see
1:22:14thank you are very welcome Jason and I i
1:22:16would like to add i hate you all
1:22:18i hate you all especially me just for
1:22:26that you're five years younger and only
1:22:30worker thank you so much for being on
1:22:32we'll have to have you back sometime and
1:22:33I I'm sorry that your first hazing was
1:22:35hard on all right I i was thrilled to be
1:22:39on and I'm I would be thrilled to be
1:22:42back and I would even watched our does
1:22:44again to come back whoosh was that is a
1:22:47commitment but please don't make me do
1:22:49it
1:22:49and everybody out there thanks for
1:22:52listening until next time stay close to
1:22:55me stay inside my aura life flows out of
1:22:57me and into you or something like that
1:22:59we'll see you next time sardaar dog